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Speaker 4: Mister President.
Speaker 5: It has been the position of the Biden administration that
Speaker 5: we must defend Ukraine from Russia from Vladimir Putin, to
Speaker 5: defend their sovereignty, their democracy, that it's an America's best
Speaker 5: interest to do so, arguing that if Putin wins, he
Speaker 5: may be emboldened to move even further into other countries.
Speaker 5: You have said you would solve this war in twenty
Speaker 5: four hours, you said so just before the break tonight.
Speaker 5: How exactly would you do that? And I want to
Speaker 5: ask you a very simple question tonight. Do you want
Speaker 5: Ukraine to win this war?
Speaker 1: I want the war to stop. I want to save
Speaker 1: lives that are being used lessly, people being killed by
Speaker 1: the millions. It's the millions. It's so much worse than
Speaker 1: the numbers that you're getting, which are fake numbers. Look,
Speaker 1: we're in for two hundred and fifty billion or more.
Speaker 1: Because they don't ask Europe, which is a much bigger
Speaker 1: beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are. They're
Speaker 1: in for one hundred and fifty billion dollars less because
Speaker 1: Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe
Speaker 1: like I did with NATO. They paid billions and billions,
Speaker 1: hundreds of billions of dollars when I said, either you
Speaker 1: pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore.
Speaker 1: So that's maybe one of the reasons that don't like
Speaker 1: me as much as they like weak people. But you
Speaker 1: take a look at what's happening. We're in for two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to two hundred and seventy five billion,
Speaker 1: they're into one hundred to one hundred and fifty. They
Speaker 1: should be forced to equalize. With that being said, I
Speaker 1: want to get the war settled. I know Zelenski very well,
Speaker 1: and I know Putin very well. I have a good relationship.
Speaker 1: And they respect your president. Okay, they respect me. They
Speaker 1: don't respect Biden. How would you respect him? Why? For
Speaker 1: what reason? He hasn't even made a phone call in
Speaker 1: two years to Putin hasn't spoken to anybody. They don't
Speaker 1: even try and get it. That is a war that's
Speaker 1: dying to be settled. I will get it settled before
Speaker 1: I even become president if I win, when I'm president elect,
Speaker 1: and what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll
Speaker 1: speak to the other. I'll get him together. That war
Speaker 1: would have never happened. And in fact, when I saw
Speaker 1: Putin after I left, unfortunately left because our country has
Speaker 1: gone to hell. But after I left, when I saw
Speaker 1: him building up soldiers, he did it. After I left,
Speaker 1: I said, oh, he must be negotiating. It must be
Speaker 1: a good strong point of negotiation. Well it wasn't because
Speaker 1: Biden had no idea how to talk to him. He
Speaker 1: had no idea how to stop it. And now you
Speaker 1: have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse,
Speaker 1: and it could lead to World War three. Don't kid yourself, David.
Speaker 1: We're playing with World War three and we have a
Speaker 1: president that we don't even know if he's where is
Speaker 1: our president? We don't even know if he's a president.
Speaker 1: And just a clarify, he threw him out of a
Speaker 1: campaign like a dog. We don't even know is he
Speaker 1: our president? But we have a president. Mister President doesn't
Speaker 1: know he's alive.
Speaker 4: Your time is up.
Speaker 5: Just to clarifying the question, do you believe it's in
Speaker 5: the US best interests for Ukraine to win this war yesterday?
Speaker 1: I think it's the US best interest to get this
Speaker 1: war finished and just get it done, negotiated deal, because
Speaker 1: we have to stop all of these human lives from
Speaker 1: being destroyed.
Speaker 4: I want to take this device, President Harris.
Speaker 5: I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine
Speaker 5: in this moment, but also as commander in chief if elected,
Speaker 5: how would you deal with Vladimir Putin and would it
Speaker 5: be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden.
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, it's important to remind the former
Speaker 6: president you're not running against Joe Biden, You're running against me.
Speaker 6: I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this
Speaker 6: war would be over within twenty four hours is because
Speaker 6: he would just give it up. And that's not who
Speaker 6: we are as Americans. Let's understand what happened here. I
Speaker 6: actually met with Zelensky a few days before Russia invaded,
Speaker 6: tried through force to change territorial boundaries to defy one
Speaker 6: of the most important international rules and norms, which is
Speaker 6: the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And I met
Speaker 6: with President Zelensky, I shared with him American intelligence about
Speaker 6: how he could defend himself. Days later, I went to
Speaker 6: NATO's eastern flank, to Poland and Romania, and through the
Speaker 6: work that I and others did, we brought fifty countries
Speaker 6: together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense. And because
Speaker 6: of our support, because of the air defense, the ammunition,
Speaker 6: the artillery, the javelins, the abrams tanks that we have provided,
Speaker 6: Ukraine stands as an independent and free country.
Speaker 7: If Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: Were president, Putin would be sitting in Kiev right now.
Speaker 6: And understand what that would mean, because Putin's agenda is
Speaker 6: not just about Ukraine. Understand why the European allies and
Speaker 6: our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no
Speaker 6: longer president, and that we understand the importance of the
Speaker 6: greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is NATO,
Speaker 6: and what we have done to preserve the ability of
Speaker 6: Zelensky and the Ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise,
Speaker 6: Putin would be sitting in Kiev with his eyes on
Speaker 6: the rest of Europe, starting with Poland, And why don't
Speaker 6: you tell the eight hundred thousand Polish Americans right here
Speaker 6: in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the
Speaker 6: sake of favor and what you think is a friendship
Speaker 6: with what is known to be a dictator who would
Speaker 6: eat you for lunch.
Speaker 5: Vice President Harris, thank you. We've heard from both of
Speaker 5: you on Ukraine tonight. Afghanistan came up in the last hour.
Speaker 5: I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier,
Speaker 5: and now, please, I'll give you a minute here.
Speaker 1: Putin would be sitting in Moscow, and he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: lost three hundred thousand men in women, but he would
Speaker 1: have been sitting in Moscow quiet place. He would have
Speaker 1: been sitting in Moscow much happier than his right now.
Speaker 1: But eventually, you know, he's got a thing that other
Speaker 1: people don't have. He's got nuclear weapons. They don't ever
Speaker 1: talk about that. He got nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks
Speaker 1: about that. And eventually maybe he'll use him and maybe
Speaker 1: he hasn't been that threatening, but he does have that
Speaker 1: something we don't even like to talk about. Nobody likes
Speaker 1: to talk about it. But just so you understand, they
Speaker 1: sent her to negotiate peace before this war started. Three
Speaker 1: days later he went in and he started the war
Speaker 1: because everything they said was weak and stupid. They said
Speaker 1: the wrong things. That war should have never started. She
Speaker 1: was the emissary. They sent her in to negotiate with
Speaker 1: Zelenski and Putin, and she did and the war started
Speaker 1: three days later. And that's what kind of talent we
Speaker 1: have with her. She's worse than Biden in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I think he's the worst president in the history of
Speaker 1: our country. She goes down as the worst vice president
Speaker 1: in the history of our country. But let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. She is a horrible negotiator. They sent her
Speaker 1: in to negotiate. As soon as they left Putin did
Speaker 1: the invasion.
Speaker 5: President Trump, thank you did bring up something you said
Speaker 5: she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin. Vice President Harris,
Speaker 5: have you ever met Vladimir Putin? Can you clarify tonight
Speaker 5: yet again?
Speaker 6: I said it at the beginning of the debate. You're
Speaker 6: gonna hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow.
Speaker 6: And that is another one. When I went to meet
Speaker 6: with President's a lanscap Now I met with him over
Speaker 6: five times. The reality is it has been about standing
Speaker 6: as America always should as a leader, upholding international rules
Speaker 6: and norms, as a leader who shows strength, understanding that
Speaker 6: the alliances we have around the world are dependent on
Speaker 6: our ability to look out for our friends and not
Speaker 6: favor our enemies because you adore strong men instead of
Speaker 6: caring about democracy. And that is very much what is
Speaker 6: at stake here. The President of the United States is
Speaker 6: commander in chief, and the American people have a right
Speaker 6: to rely on a president who understands the significance of
Speaker 6: America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there
Speaker 6: is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles
Speaker 6: and not sell them for the benefit of personal flattery.
Speaker 5: We've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin. I do want
Speaker 5: to talk about Afghanistan. It came up in the first
Speaker 5: hour of this debate. I wanted to move on to Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Work said. Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: He got these countries, the twenty eight countries at the time,
Speaker 1: to pay up. He said, I've never seen. He's the
Speaker 1: head of NATO, he said, I've never seen. For years,
Speaker 1: we were paying almost all of NATO. We were being
Speaker 1: ripped off by your European nations, both on trade and
Speaker 1: or NATO. I got them to pay up by saying,
Speaker 1: one of the samans you made before. If you don't pay,
Speaker 1: we're not going to protect you. Otherwise we would have
Speaker 1: never gotten it. He said, it was one of the
Speaker 1: most incredible jobs that he's ever seen done.
Speaker 5: Thank you. I want to turn to Afghanistan. It came
Speaker 5: up in the first hour of the debate, and we
Speaker 5: witnessed an appoignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the
Speaker 5: soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. I
Speaker 5: do want to ask the Vice President, do you believe
Speaker 5: you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out?
Speaker 6: Well, I will tell you I agreed with President Biden's
Speaker 6: decision to pull out of Afghanistan, for presidents said they would,
Speaker 6: and Joe Biden did. And as a result, America's taxpayers
Speaker 6: are not paying the three hundred million dollars a day
Speaker 6: we were paying for that endless war.
Speaker 7: And as of today, there is not one.
Speaker 6: Member of the United States military who is in active
Speaker 6: duty in a combat zone in any war zone around
Speaker 6: the world the first time century. But let's understand how
Speaker 6: we got to where we are. Donald Trump, when he
Speaker 6: was president, negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine.
Speaker 7: He calls himself a deal maker.
Speaker 6: Even his national security advisor said it was a weak,
Speaker 6: terrible deal. And here's how it went down. He bypassed
Speaker 6: the Afghan government. He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization
Speaker 6: called the Taliban. The negotiation involved the Taliban getting five
Speaker 6: thousand terrorists Taliban terrorists released and.
Speaker 7: Get this, no, get this.
Speaker 6: And the president at the time invited the Taliban to
Speaker 6: Cap David, a place of storied significance for us as Americans,
Speaker 6: a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy,
Speaker 6: where we invite and receive respected world leaders.
Speaker 7: And this.
Speaker 6: Former president as president in invited them to Camp David
Speaker 6: because he does not again appreciate the role and responsibility
Speaker 6: of the President of the United States to be commander in.
Speaker 7: Chief with a level of respect.
Speaker 6: And this gets back to the point of how he
Speaker 6: has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers,
Speaker 6: and the work that we must do to uphold the
Speaker 6: strength and the respect of the United States of America
Speaker 6: around the world.
Speaker 5: Vice President Harris, thank you President Trump your response to
Speaker 5: her saying that you began the negotia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. So if you take a look at
Speaker 1: that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers,
Speaker 1: a lot of them with snipers. And I got involved
Speaker 1: with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing.
Speaker 1: That's the fighting force within Afghanistan. They don't bother doing
Speaker 1: that because you know, they deal with the wrong people
Speaker 1: all the time. But I got involved. And Abdullah is
Speaker 1: the head of the Taliban. He is still the head
Speaker 1: of the Taliban. And I told that Duel, don't do
Speaker 1: it anymore. You do it anymore, you're gonna have problems.
Speaker 1: And he said, why do you send me a picture
Speaker 1: of my house? I said, you're going to have to
Speaker 1: figure that out at Duel. And for eighteen months we
Speaker 1: had nobody killed. We did have an agreement negotiated by
Speaker 1: Mike Pompeio. It was a very good agreement. The reason
Speaker 1: it was good it was we were getting out. We
Speaker 1: would have been out faster than them, but we wouldn't
Speaker 1: have lost the soldiers. We wouldn't have left many Americans behind,
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't have left. We wouldn't have left eighty
Speaker 1: five billion dollars worth of brand new, beautiful military equipment behind.
Speaker 1: And just to finish, they blew it. The agreement said
Speaker 1: you have to do this, and they didn't do it.
Speaker 1: They didn't do it. The agreement was terminated by us
Speaker 1: because they didn't do what they were supposed to do.
Speaker 1: And these people did the worst withdrawal and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's why Russia attacked Ukraine because
Speaker 1: they saw how incompetent she and her boss are.
Speaker 5: President Trump, thank you. I want to move on now
Speaker 5: to race and politics in this country, mister President. You
Speaker 5: recently said a Vice President Harris quote, I didn't know
Speaker 5: she was black until a number of years ago when
Speaker 5: she happened to turn black, and now she wants to
Speaker 5: be known as black.
Speaker 4: I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight.
Speaker 5: Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on
Speaker 5: the racial identity of your opponent.
Speaker 1: I don't and I don't care. I don't care what
Speaker 1: she is. I don't care you make a big deal
Speaker 1: out of something I couldn't care less. Whatever she wants
Speaker 1: to be is okay with me.
Speaker 4: But those were your words, so I'm asking you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, all I can say is
Speaker 1: I read where she was not black that she put
Speaker 1: out and I'll say that. And then I read that
Speaker 1: she was black, and that's okay. Either one who was
Speaker 1: okay with me, that's up to her. That's up to her.
Speaker 4: Vice President Harris, your thoughts on this, I.
Speaker 6: Think it's I mean, honestly, I think it's a tragedy
Speaker 6: that we have someone who wants to be president who
Speaker 6: has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to
Speaker 6: use race to divide the American people. You know, I
Speaker 6: do believe that the vast majority of us know that
Speaker 6: we have so much more in common than what separates us,
Speaker 6: and we don't want this kind of approach that is
Speaker 6: just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race.
Speaker 7: And let's remember how Donald Trump started.
Speaker 1: He was a.
Speaker 6: Land he'd owned land, he owned buildings, and he was
Speaker 6: investigated because he refused to rent property to black families.
Speaker 6: Let's remember this is the same individual who took out
Speaker 6: a full page ad in the New York Times calling
Speaker 6: for the execution of five young black and Latino boys
Speaker 6: who were innocent.
Speaker 3: The central part five.
Speaker 6: Took out a full page ad calling for their execution.
Speaker 6: This is the same individual who spread birth or lives
Speaker 6: about the first black president of the United States. And
Speaker 6: I think the American people want better than that, want
Speaker 6: better than this, want someone who understands as I do.
Speaker 7: I travel our country.
Speaker 6: We see in each other a friend, We see in
Speaker 6: each other a neighbor. We don't want a leader who
Speaker 6: is constantly trying to have Americans point their fingers at
Speaker 6: each other.
Speaker 7: I meet with people.
Speaker 6: All the time who tell me, can we please just
Speaker 6: have discourse about how we're going to invest in the
Speaker 6: aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the American people, knowing.
Speaker 7: That regardless of people's color or.
Speaker 6: The language their grandmother speaks, we all have the same
Speaker 6: dreams and aspirations and want a president who invest in those,
Speaker 6: not in hate and division.
Speaker 4: Vice President Harris, thank you, Lindsey.
Speaker 8: President Trump, this is now your third time.
Speaker 1: This is the most divisive presidency in the history of
Speaker 1: our country. There's never been anything like it. They're destroying
Speaker 1: our country and they come up with things like what
Speaker 1: she just said. Going back many, many years, when a
Speaker 1: lot of people, including Mayor Bloomberg, agreed with me on
Speaker 1: the Central Park five, they admitted, they said they pled guilty,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, if they pled guilty, they badly
Speaker 1: hurt a person, killed a person ultimately, and if they
Speaker 1: pled guilty, then they pled. We're not guilty. But this
Speaker 1: is a person that has to stretch back years, forty
Speaker 1: fifty years ago because there's nothing now. I built one
Speaker 1: of the greatest economies in the history of the world,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to build it again. It's going to
Speaker 1: be bigger, better and stronger. But they're destroying our economy.
Speaker 1: They have no idea what a good economy is. Their
Speaker 1: oil policies, every single policy. And remember this, she is Biden.
Speaker 1: You know she's trying to get away from Biden. I
Speaker 1: don't know the gentleman she says. She is Biden. The
Speaker 1: worst inflation We've ever had, a horrible economy because inflation
Speaker 1: has made it so bad, and you can't get away
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 6: You so much. I want to respond to that, though,
Speaker 6: I want to just respond briefly clearly, I am not
Speaker 6: Joe Biden, and I am certainly not Donald Trump, and
Speaker 6: what I do offer is a new generation of leadership
Speaker 6: for our country, one who believes in what is possible,
Speaker 6: one who brings a sense of optimism about what we
Speaker 6: can do instead of always disparaging the American people. I
Speaker 6: believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses,
Speaker 6: which is why I have a plan. Let's talk about
Speaker 6: our plans, and let's compare the plans. I have a
Speaker 6: plan to give startup businesses fifty thousand dollars tax deduction
Speaker 6: to pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work.
Speaker 6: I have a plan six thousand dollars for young families
Speaker 6: for the first year of your child's life, to help
Speaker 6: you in that most critical stage of your child's development.
Speaker 7: I have a plan that is about allowing.
Speaker 6: People to be able to pursue what has been fleeting
Speaker 6: in terms of the American dream by offering a help
Speaker 6: with down payment of twenty five thousand dollars down payment
Speaker 6: assistance for.
Speaker 7: First time home buyers.
Speaker 6: That's the kind of conversation I believe, David, that people
Speaker 6: really want tonight, as opposed to a conversation that is
Speaker 6: constantly about belittling and name calling.
Speaker 7: Let's turn the page.
Speaker 4: Vice President Marrison, thank you. Let's move on. President, Let's
Speaker 4: turn the policy.
Speaker 1: Please to defund the police. She has a plan to
Speaker 1: confiscate everybody's gun. President plan to allow fracking in Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: or anywhere else. Okay, that's what her plan is until
Speaker 1: just recently, I just want to go.
Speaker 7: Something sorry that I need to respect.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, We're going to We're going to move on.
Speaker 8: By President Trump, this is now your third time running
Speaker 8: for president. You have long vowed to repeal and replace
Speaker 8: the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. You have
Speaker 8: failed to accomplish that. You now say you're going to
Speaker 8: keep Obamacare quote, unless we can do something much better.
Speaker 8: Last month you said, quote we're working on it. So tonight,
Speaker 8: nine years after you first started running, do you have
Speaker 8: a plan and can you tell us what it is?
Speaker 1: Obamacare was lousy, healthcare always was. It's not very good today.
Speaker 1: And what I said that if we come up with something,
Speaker 1: and we are working on things, we're going to do it,
Speaker 1: and we're going to replace it. But remember this, I
Speaker 1: inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it, they wouldn't vote
Speaker 1: for it. They were unanimous they would vote to change it.
Speaker 1: If they would have done that, we would have had
Speaker 1: a much better plan than Obamacare. But the Democrats came
Speaker 1: up they wouldn't vote for it. I had a choice
Speaker 1: to make when I was president. Do I save it
Speaker 1: and make it as good as it can be, never
Speaker 1: going to be great, or do I let it rot?
Speaker 1: And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically
Speaker 1: it would have been good to just let it rot
Speaker 1: and let it go away. I decided, and I told
Speaker 1: my people, the top people, and they're very good people.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of good people in this administration.
Speaker 1: We read about the bad ones. We had some real
Speaker 1: bad ones too, and so do they They have really
Speaker 1: bad ones. The differences, they don't get rid of it.
Speaker 1: But let me just explain. I had a choice to make.
Speaker 1: Do I save it and make it as good as
Speaker 1: it can be, or do I let it rot? And
Speaker 1: I saved it. I did the right thing. But it's
Speaker 1: still never going to be great, and it's too expensive
Speaker 1: for people. And what we will do is we're looking
Speaker 1: at different plans. If we can come up with a
Speaker 1: plan that's going to cost our people, our population less
Speaker 1: my and be better healthcare than Obamacare, then I would
Speaker 1: absolutely do it, But until then I'd run it as
Speaker 1: good as it can be run.
Speaker 8: So just yes or no. You still do not have
Speaker 8: a plan.
Speaker 1: I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now,
Speaker 1: but if we come up with something, I would only
Speaker 1: change it. If we come up with something that's better
Speaker 1: and less expensive, and there are concepts and options. We
Speaker 1: have to do that, and you'll be hearing about it
Speaker 1: in the not too distant future.
Speaker 8: Vice President Harrison, twenty seventeen, you supported Bernie Sanders proposal
Speaker 8: to do away with private insurance and create a government
Speaker 8: run healthcare system. Two years later, you proposed a plan
Speaker 8: that included a private insurance option. What is your plan.
Speaker 6: Today, Well, first of all, I absolutely support in over
Speaker 6: the last four years as Vice president, private healthcare options.
Speaker 7: But what we need to do is maintain and grow
Speaker 7: the affordable care. But I'll get to that, Lindsay.
Speaker 6: I just need to respond to a previous point that
Speaker 6: the former president has made. I've made very clear my
Speaker 6: position on fracking this business about taking everyone's guns away.
Speaker 6: Tim Walls and I are both gun owners. We're not
Speaker 6: taking anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying
Speaker 6: about this stuff as it relates to the Affordable Care Act. Understand,
Speaker 6: let's just look at the history to know where people stand.
Speaker 6: When Donald Trump was president sixty times, he tried to
Speaker 6: get rid of the Affordable Care Act sixty times. I
Speaker 6: was a senator at the time when I will never
Speaker 6: forget the early morning hours when it was up for
Speaker 6: a vote in the United States Senate, and the late
Speaker 6: great John McCain, who you have disparaged as being you
Speaker 6: don't like him, you said at the time because he
Speaker 6: got caught. He was an American hero, the late great
Speaker 6: John McCain, I will never forget that night walked onto
Speaker 6: the Senate floor.
Speaker 7: And said, no, you don't, no, you don't, no, you
Speaker 7: don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have
Speaker 7: no plan.
Speaker 6: And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate
Speaker 6: the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre
Speaker 6: existing conditions.
Speaker 7: I don't have to tell the people washing tonight. You
Speaker 7: remember what that was like.
Speaker 6: Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child
Speaker 6: had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor if
Speaker 6: a grandparent had diabetes. And thankfully, as I've been Vice
Speaker 6: president and We over the last four years, have strengthened
Speaker 6: the Affordable Care Act. We have allowed, for the first time,
Speaker 6: Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you, the
Speaker 6: American people. Donald Trump said he was going to allow
Speaker 6: Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
Speaker 7: He never did.
Speaker 1: We did.
Speaker 6: And now we have capped the cost of insulin at thirty.
Speaker 7: Five dollars a month.
Speaker 6: Since I've been Vice president, we have capped the cost
Speaker 6: of prescription medication for seniors at two thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 6: And when I am president, we will do that for
Speaker 6: all people. Understanding that the value I bring to this
Speaker 6: is that access to healthcare should be a right and
Speaker 6: not just a privilege of those who can afford it.
Speaker 7: Has to be to strengthen the Affordable.
Speaker 6: Care Act, not get rid of it fast as it
Speaker 6: roll us in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.
Speaker 8: I want to move to an issue that's important for
Speaker 8: a lot.
Speaker 1: I had a mistake at number one. John McCain fought
Speaker 1: Obamacare for ten years, but it wasn't only him. It
Speaker 1: were all of the Democrats that kept it going. And
Speaker 1: you know what, we can do much better than Obamacare,
Speaker 1: much less money, but she won't improve private insurance for people,
Speaker 1: private medical insurance. That's another thing she doesn't want to get.
Speaker 1: Exemple are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard
Speaker 1: and made money, and they want to have private She
Speaker 1: wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait
Speaker 1: six months for an operation that you need to meeting.
Speaker 8: President Trump, thank you. We have another issue that we'd
Speaker 8: like to get to that's important for a number of Americans,
Speaker 8: in particular younger voters, and that's climate change. President Trump,
Speaker 8: with regard to the environment, you say that we have
Speaker 8: to have clean air and clean water. Vice President Harris,
Speaker 8: you call climate change an existential threat. The question to
Speaker 8: you both tonight is what would you do to fight
Speaker 8: climate change? And Vice President Harris will start with you
Speaker 8: one minute for you each.
Speaker 6: Well, the former president had said the climate change as
Speaker 6: a hoax, and what we know is that it is
Speaker 6: very real.
Speaker 7: You ask anyone who lives.
Speaker 6: In a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences,
Speaker 6: who now is either being denied home insurance or its
Speaker 6: being jacked up. You ask anybody who has been the
Speaker 6: victim of what that means in terms of losing their home,
Speaker 6: having nowhere to go. We know that we can actually
Speaker 6: deal with this issue. The young people of America care
Speaker 6: deeply about this issue, and I am proud that as
Speaker 6: Vice president, over the last four years, we have invested
Speaker 6: a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy, while we
Speaker 6: have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels. We
Speaker 6: have created over eight hundred thousand new manufacturing jobs while
Speaker 6: I have been Vice president. We have in clean energy
Speaker 6: to the point that we are opening up factories around
Speaker 6: the world.
Speaker 7: Donald Trump said he was.
Speaker 6: Going to create manufacturing jobs.
Speaker 7: He lost manufacturing jobs.
Speaker 6: And I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the
Speaker 6: United Autoworkers and Sean Fain, who also know that part
Speaker 6: of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American
Speaker 6: made products, American automobiles. It includes growing what we can
Speaker 6: do around American manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not
Speaker 6: closing them like happened under Donald Trump's President Harris, thank you.
Speaker 1: That didn't happen under Donald Trump. Let me just tell
Speaker 1: you they lost ten thousand manufacturing jobs this last month.
Speaker 1: It's going they're all leaving. They're building big auto plants
Speaker 1: in Mexico, in many cases owned by China. They're building
Speaker 1: these massive plants, and they think they're going to sell
Speaker 1: their cars into the United States because of these people.
Speaker 1: What they have given to China is unbelievable. But we're
Speaker 1: not going to let that. We'll put tariffs on those
Speaker 1: cars so they can't come into our country because they
Speaker 1: will kill the United auto workers and any auto worker,
Speaker 1: whether it's in Troit or South Carolina or any other place.
Speaker 1: What they've done to business and manufacturing in this country
Speaker 1: is horrible. We have nothing because they refuse. You know,
Speaker 1: Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid them
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. He's afraid to do it. Between him
Speaker 1: and his son. They get all this money from Ukraine,
Speaker 1: they get all this money from all of these different countries.
Speaker 1: And then you wonder, why is he so loyal to
Speaker 1: this one, that one Ukraine, China? Why is he Why
Speaker 1: did he get three and a half million dollars from
Speaker 1: the mayor of Moscow's wife. Why did he get why
Speaker 1: did she pay him three and a half million dollars.
Speaker 1: This is a crooked administration and they're selling our country
Speaker 1: down the tubes.
Speaker 8: President Trump, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back with closing statements from both of
Speaker 5: our candidates. An historic night this Abcit's presidential debate from.
Speaker 2: You've been listening to the ABC News Presidential Debate simulcast
Speaker 2: here on KFI. We're waiting for the candidates to return.
Speaker 2: They'll probably give their closing statements at this point. Because
Speaker 2: of a coin flip, former President Trump will resume, a
Speaker 2: student will go last.
Speaker 6: So I think you've heard tonight two very different visions
Speaker 6: for our country. One that is focused on the future
Speaker 6: and the other that is focused on the past and
Speaker 6: an attempt to take us backward.
Speaker 7: But we're not going back.
Speaker 6: And I do believe that the American people know we
Speaker 6: all have so much more in common than what separates us,
Speaker 6: and we can chart a new way forward. And a
Speaker 6: vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations,
Speaker 6: the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people,
Speaker 6: which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy,
Speaker 6: investing in small businesses, in new family in what we
Speaker 6: can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that
Speaker 6: is about giving hard working folks a break and bringing
Speaker 6: down the cost of living. I believe in what we
Speaker 6: can do together that is about sustaining America's standing in
Speaker 6: the world and ensuring that we have the respect that
Speaker 6: we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring
Speaker 6: we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
Speaker 6: I will be a president that will protect our fundamental
Speaker 6: rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to
Speaker 6: make decisions about her own body and not have her
Speaker 6: government tell her what to do. I'll tell you, I
Speaker 6: started my career as a prosecutor. I was a da
Speaker 6: I was an attorney general, a United States Senator, and
Speaker 6: now Vice President.
Speaker 7: I've only have one client, the people.
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked
Speaker 6: a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or
Speaker 6: a Democrat?
Speaker 7: The only thing I ever asked them, are you okay?
Speaker 6: And that's the kind of president we need right now,
Speaker 6: someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.
Speaker 6: I intend to be a president for all Americans and
Speaker 6: focus on what we can do over the next ten
Speaker 6: and twenty years to build back up our country by
Speaker 6: investing right now in you, the American people.
Speaker 8: Vice President Harris, thank you President Trump.
Speaker 1: So she just started by saying she's going to do this.
Speaker 1: She's going to do that, She's going to do all
Speaker 1: these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it. She's been
Speaker 1: there for three and a half years. They've had three
Speaker 1: and a half years to fix the border, they've had
Speaker 1: three and a half years to create jobs and all
Speaker 1: the things we talked about. Why hasn't she done it?
Speaker 1: She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful
Speaker 1: White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together, and
Speaker 1: do the things you want to do. But you haven't
Speaker 1: done it, and you won't do it because you believe
Speaker 1: in things that the American people don't believe in. You
Speaker 1: believe in things like we're not going to frack, we're
Speaker 1: not going to take fossil fuel. We're not going to
Speaker 1: do things that are going to make this country strong,
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not. Germany tried that and
Speaker 1: within one year they were back to building normal energy plants.
Speaker 1: We're not ready for it. We can't sacrifice our country
Speaker 1: for the sake of bad vision. But I just ask
Speaker 1: one simple question, why didn't she do it? We're a
Speaker 1: failing nation, We're a nation that's in serious decline. We're
Speaker 1: being laughed at all over the world. All over the world.
Speaker 1: They laugh. I know the leaders very well. They're coming
Speaker 1: to see me, they call me. We're laughed at all
Speaker 1: over the world. They don't understand what happened to us
Speaker 1: as a nation. We're not a leader. We don't have
Speaker 1: any idea what's going on. We have wars going on
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, we have wars going on with
Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine. We're going to end up in a
Speaker 1: third World War, and it'll be a war like no
Speaker 1: other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I
Speaker 1: rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it
Speaker 1: away to the Taliban, she gave it to Afghanistan. What
Speaker 1: these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest
Speaker 1: of all is allowing millions of people to come into
Speaker 1: our country. Many of them are criminals, and they're destroying
Speaker 1: our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in
Speaker 1: the history of our country.
Speaker 8: President Trump, Thank you, and that is our ABC News
Speaker 8: presidential debate from here in Philadelphia at the National Constitution Center.
Speaker 5: I'm Lindsay Davis and I'm David Buwer. Thank you for
Speaker 5: watching here in the US and all over the world.
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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, I'm o Kelly. As we resume our at
Speaker 2: least post debate coverage. If you've been listening or if
Speaker 2: you were watching, well there you have it. I got
Speaker 2: to say it was more substantive than I thought it.
Speaker 3: Was going to be going in.
Speaker 2: And let's talk about this being a simulcast. If you
Speaker 2: only listened to the debate, you probably had a very
Speaker 2: different experience from if you saw the debate. And what
Speaker 2: I mean by that is you didn't get to see
Speaker 2: the facial If you were just listening, you didn't get
Speaker 2: to see the facial expressions. You didn't get to see
Speaker 2: the posture, you didn't get to see the looks that
Speaker 2: were thrown each way. You didn't see how even though
Speaker 2: you couldn't hear someone interrupt, if you're watching TV, they
Speaker 2: could visually interrupt through their facial expressions. You could see
Speaker 2: when they disagreed or when they shook their head and
Speaker 2: got a better sense of what the next response was
Speaker 2: going to be. So, if you only listened to the
Speaker 2: debate on KFI, there's nothing wrong with that. I just
Speaker 2: know that your experience for the debate would be very
Speaker 2: different from if you had seen it, and earlier this
Speaker 2: evening when I was sitting in with Tim Conway Junior
Speaker 2: for the run up, I made a similar comment how
Speaker 2: this tracks with history, whether it were the first televised
Speaker 2: pressent sidential debate between Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy
Speaker 2: where people were watching it for the very first time
Speaker 2: on TV, most people heard it on radio, and the
Speaker 2: people who heard it on radio fought that Richard Nixon
Speaker 2: had won, and those who saw it on TV because
Speaker 2: Richard Nixon did not do well or look well under
Speaker 2: the lights. He was sweating profusely, and you can go
Speaker 2: back and watch the debate to see exactly what I mean,
Speaker 2: felt that he did not win. So the perception of
Speaker 2: this debate probably will vary widely just given how you
Speaker 2: may have experienced it and consumed the information. That said,
Speaker 2: for the first seventeen minutes in I would say the
Speaker 2: debate was pretty straightforward, standard questions, standard answers. You could
Speaker 2: tell they were pretty much on script. They were not
Speaker 2: allowed any written notes, but you could tell that their
Speaker 2: answers were pretty much scripted because there's certain questions you
Speaker 2: could pretty much predict we're going to be asked. But
Speaker 2: after that seventeen minute mark, and I made a little
Speaker 2: mark at that time because I wanted to put a
Speaker 2: pin in. It's like, okay, this is where things were
Speaker 2: going to change. It's seventeen minutes in. I could feel
Speaker 2: if you were listening it. Listening to it, you might
Speaker 2: have felt it, but if you're watching it, you definitely
Speaker 2: saw it.
Speaker 3: It took an emotional turn.
Speaker 2: It was at that point that former President Trump increased
Speaker 2: his pointed attacks. You noticed some on site fact checking
Speaker 2: of former President Trump regarding abortion. This was not done
Speaker 2: in previous debate that it wasn't done in the debate
Speaker 2: with Joe Biden, and we didn't see it in other
Speaker 2: interviews in town halls. So this was something which was new,
Speaker 2: but you could tell that it was ramping up in
Speaker 2: an emotional sense. There were some moments where the former
Speaker 2: president Trump made an attack about Kamala Harris being a Marxist.
Speaker 2: Harris did not take that bait, she did not respond
Speaker 2: to it. And this is the sum of the strategy
Speaker 2: which is used going in where you try to make
Speaker 2: a personal remark and force your competition or I should
Speaker 2: say encourage her in competition to respond and get off message,
Speaker 2: get off the actual policy that you're trying to talk about.
Speaker 2: Get off your vision for the future, and you talk
Speaker 2: about a personal remark and you talk about the past. Now,
Speaker 2: I will say that Vice President Harris was able to
Speaker 2: do that to a certain degree when she started talking
Speaker 2: about former President Trump's rallies and then Trump went into
Speaker 2: a long diatribe about his rallies and talking about himself
Speaker 2: instead of talking to the American people and his vision forward.
Speaker 2: Now here's the question I always get after every single debate,
Speaker 2: and I usually give the same answer, if only because
Speaker 2: it is still applicable. It's not a cop out, and
Speaker 2: it's never wrong. It's real simple. Who wanted a debate
Speaker 2: is yet to be decided said. Who won the debate
Speaker 2: is the person who's in a better position tomorrow because
Speaker 2: they have the spin room going on right now, and
Speaker 2: people will try to cast this debate as Trump one,
Speaker 2: Harris one. Trump did this, Harris failed to do that.
Speaker 2: Harris was better at this, Trump was poor at that.
Speaker 2: That's what the spin room does, trying to shape people's perceptions.
Speaker 2: But all that aside, the actual winner of the debate
Speaker 2: will have an increased position tomorrow. They'll have better polling,
Speaker 2: they'll have better donations. They will be in a better
Speaker 2: position tomorrow than they were today, and largely that's predicated
Speaker 2: on how people feel about the debate. They had different
Speaker 2: goals going in. Trump I believe, was trying to get
Speaker 2: Harris off her mark, as they say, trying to disrupt her,
Speaker 2: trying to confuse her, trying to insult her in a
Speaker 2: certain way where where she might have not been able
Speaker 2: to stay on message. That was the goal coming in
Speaker 2: why because if you can get Harris off her mark
Speaker 2: in her message, then she would seem less presidential, seem
Speaker 2: less ready for the position, less suitable for the office. Harris, conversely,
Speaker 2: was trying to make sure that she was speaking to
Speaker 2: the moderates, the independence, those people who might have been
Speaker 2: disaffected Republicans who possibly were never Trumpers, but you wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure, if you're a Hair supporter, that you
Speaker 2: just didn't stay home, or that you just didn't leave
Speaker 2: that portion of the ballot unselected, but you made the
Speaker 2: affirmative choice to vote for Kamala Harris. Her job was
Speaker 2: to get the people who might have been persuadable, the
Speaker 2: people who did not know her, the people who might
Speaker 2: have been open to a different choice that was her job,
Speaker 2: and to do that, you could see. The strategy was clear.
Speaker 2: Was you could see that she was looking into the
Speaker 2: camera talking directly to the American people, trying to say, hey,
Speaker 2: I am here for you, not for me personally. And
Speaker 2: I'm just basically paraphrasing her message because it was repeated
Speaker 2: most of the night, how she was talking about her
Speaker 2: vision for the American people. Now, what she did do,
Speaker 2: what I thought was effective. I don't know if it
Speaker 2: means that she would have won the night, but I
Speaker 2: do think it was effective. She was able to get
Speaker 2: Donald Trump to spend most of his time talking about
Speaker 2: the past, talking about what he did when he was
Speaker 2: in office, relitigating more than four years ago, and historically
Speaker 2: that doesn't help when you're trying to look forward. But again,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what I think. It matters how voters
Speaker 2: will respond to this performance. And let's be clear, all
Speaker 2: this was performative. This is not about who has the
Speaker 2: best plan, because, honestly, let's be honest, Donald Trump did
Speaker 2: not say much in the way of specifics for his plan,
Speaker 2: and let's be honest, people are not voting because of
Speaker 2: someone's plan. This tonight was performance art because that's where
Speaker 2: we are as a nation. We aren't assessing these candidates
Speaker 2: relative to who has the better health care plan. And
Speaker 2: if you wanted to see who had the better health
Speaker 2: care plan, we all have Google, we all know how
Speaker 2: to get to their websites. We didn't necessarily need them
Speaker 2: to break down point by point what their plan would be,
Speaker 2: and we could go into a long civics discussion about, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just because you have a plan doesn't mean that you'll
Speaker 2: be able to get it through Congress and then get
Speaker 2: it to your desk as president and be able to
Speaker 2: sign off on it. So or at least for me personally,
Speaker 2: I don't get too hung up in plans because we
Speaker 2: all know that it doesn't mean much until you know
Speaker 2: exactly the makeup of what would be the eventual Congress.
Speaker 2: Because as it stands going into this November general election,
Speaker 2: it looks like, at least from the math and you
Speaker 2: look at the seats which are available on the Senate side,
Speaker 2: the Democrats are having to defend more seats then they
Speaker 2: will have the opportunity to win away from the Republicans.
Speaker 2: Put another way, there's not a good map for them
Speaker 2: to retain control of the Senate. It's more likely than
Speaker 2: not that the Democrats would lose the Senate, and it's
Speaker 2: not a guarantee that the Democrats would take control of
Speaker 2: the House. So that means, regardless of any plan that
Speaker 2: either candidate has, we're looking more likely than not than
Speaker 2: divided government, where you may have the president will represent
Speaker 2: one party, one of the chambers of Congress will represent
Speaker 2: his or her party, and then the other chamber will
Speaker 2: represent the opposition party, which means more gridlock. It means
Speaker 2: less likely that anything actually gets passed, which which means
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter how good of a plan we
Speaker 2: might have heard tonight or didn't here tonight.
Speaker 3: As part of this debate.
Speaker 2: So that's why we shouldn't get too bogged down in
Speaker 2: the minutia and not lose sight of where we are
Speaker 2: in America in twenty twenty four. We are highly partisan,
Speaker 2: we are highly cynical, and we're also highly unlikely to
Speaker 2: come together on one accord for any reason whatsoever, or
Speaker 2: any piece of legislation. But again, come tomorrow, it won't
Speaker 2: matter what I say, it won't matter what your favorite
Speaker 2: commentator will say, because everyone's spinning right now in the studio.
Speaker 3: I see Senator Marco Rubio on NBC.
Speaker 2: News, and I see on Fox News they're replaying portions
Speaker 2: of the debate. I see on Fox excuse me, Fox eleven.
Speaker 2: I see Alex Michaelson with our own John Cobelt from
Speaker 2: KFI right now debating Lisa Bloom and everyone is spinning.
Speaker 2: But nothing that anyone has to say is going to
Speaker 2: have as much impact as when the numbers come in tomorrow,
Speaker 2: the types of donations which will probably come in tonight
Speaker 2: and will be reported in the coming days. The change
Speaker 2: if at all, in polling. And here's the connection and
Speaker 2: relationship between polling and donations. Increase in polling will lead
Speaker 2: to it increase in donations. Why Because an increase in
Speaker 2: polling will tell big fundraisers and also small donation funders
Speaker 2: that there is increased excitement and there's an increased belief
Speaker 2: and viability in a campaign.
Speaker 3: And when the big donors see it increase in.
Speaker 2: Polling, they are more inclined to further support a campaign.
Speaker 2: If you go back to Joe Biden after that last debate,
Speaker 2: to put all this together, Joe Biden going into that
Speaker 2: debate with Donald Trump had already had had a great
Speaker 2: fundraising quarter. He had outraised fundraised Donald Trump by almost
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars if I'm not mistaken. But because
Speaker 2: of the poor debate performance, his big funders.
Speaker 3: Refuse to continue funding his campaign.
Speaker 2: And part of his dropping out had to do with
Speaker 2: his lack of support going forward, and you need to
Speaker 2: have that money through the rest of the campaign. And
Speaker 2: there was a loss of confidence in his campaign even
Speaker 2: though he had a sizable war chest. Because of the
Speaker 2: dropping polling right after that last presidential debate, he also
Speaker 2: lost his top funders. And that's how we ended up
Speaker 2: with Kamala Harris. So the polling is inextricably linked to
Speaker 2: the fundraising. And if you see tomorrow the next day,
Speaker 2: a wide change in the polls where either Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: goes up or down or Donald Trump goes up and
Speaker 2: down or down, you will probably see a correlation to
Speaker 2: the fundraising. And that will tell you definitively and conclusively
Speaker 2: who won the debate. Not me, not you, not anyone
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