Speaker 1: Times it takes a minute. Oh there we go. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're live. Hi. This is William Ramsey. Welcome to William
Speaker 1: Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have a very special guest,
Speaker 1: somebody who I've listened to many times on many different shows.
Speaker 1: We were just talking in the pre show. I just
Speaker 1: heard him on James Corbett. I listened to it and
Speaker 1: it's entirety. His name is Nick Bryant, b r y Ant,
Speaker 1: and he's a very accomplished author and journalist. And also
Speaker 1: this is like a perfect time to interview him because
Speaker 1: he was involved in the Epstein situation. I'm calling it
Speaker 1: that or saga that going back before it even kind
Speaker 1: of blew up in the public maybe in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. He is the author of a great book
Speaker 1: on the Franklin scandal. It's called The Franklin Scandal, A
Speaker 1: Story of Powerbrokers, child abuse and betrayal. That was two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. His most recent book is The Truth
Speaker 1: about Watergate, A Tale of Extraordinary Lies and Liars twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, and then he co authored a book, Confessions
Speaker 1: of a DC Madam, The Politics of Sex Lives in
Speaker 1: Blackmail twenty fifteen with him Henry W. Vinson talking about
Speaker 1: sexual political blackmailse So this is going to be a theme.
Speaker 1: He was involved in finding this black book. I'm going
Speaker 1: to bring it up back in I think he found
Speaker 1: it in twenty twelve, of all times, I think there
Speaker 1: was a manager was trying to sell it to pitch it,
Speaker 1: and he had true he can talk more about that.
Speaker 1: It didn't hit the public in till twenty fifteen, is
Speaker 1: my understanding. And he found some other manifests. And if
Speaker 1: you're watching this on Rockfinn, Rumble or ex Twitter, you
Speaker 1: will see his website and it is Epstein Justice dot com.
Speaker 1: So I'll put a link in the show notes and
Speaker 1: you can just read the title here. Jeffrey Epstein and
Speaker 1: Gallain Maxwell denoduct Loan. Yet no one else was prosecuted.
Speaker 1: You've felt helpless to fight these sex traffickers until now.
Speaker 1: So I've titled this one this episode Epstein Justice Now
Speaker 1: because there still is a requirement for justice and it's
Speaker 1: been in the news so much. But I'm really delighted
Speaker 1: to have him. So, Nick Bryant, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Glad to be with you, William So for.
Speaker 1: People other than your background, I mean, you were involved
Speaker 1: in this Epstein stuff before it became popular, and no,
Speaker 1: it's just Risen up until last week or two. Maybe
Speaker 1: you can talk firsthand about your background, how you got
Speaker 1: involved in Epstein and just leading up to today.
Speaker 2: I was in academia up until nineteen ninety five, and
Speaker 2: at that point I decided to move to New York
Speaker 2: City and become a freelance journalist writer, and that's what
Speaker 2: I did. And I had written a lot about children's issues.
Speaker 2: I've been sensitive to children's issues, so I'd written a
Speaker 2: lot about that. And then in two thousand and two,
Speaker 2: I saw this innuendo on the Internet about a nationwide
Speaker 2: trafficking network that was centered in Omaha, Nebraska, that flew
Speaker 2: kids around the country, that was connected to the CIA,
Speaker 2: that was plundering boys town for underage victims, and also
Speaker 2: connected to blackmail. And I'm a little I was a
Speaker 2: little incredulous, of course, because that's not a story like
Speaker 2: that isn't very profuse or prolific. And but I came
Speaker 2: from academia and I studied philosophy, and an important thing
Speaker 2: about at least for me, studying philosophy, is to approach
Speaker 2: everything agnostically. And to acquire as much information about the
Speaker 2: subject as I can before I decide one way or
Speaker 2: the other. So I went to Omaha and it was
Speaker 2: a cold winter, and I started to dig into what
Speaker 2: would be called the Franklin scandal. And I met a victim,
Speaker 2: and I met one of the black mal photographers. I
Speaker 2: met a senator that had tried to expose it. I'd
Speaker 2: met a number of people, and one thing that really
Speaker 2: jarred me was these people were frightened to talk about this.
Speaker 2: It was like I was writing an expose on the
Speaker 2: KGB and stalinist Russia, and I was followed and the
Speaker 2: last night I was there actually had a death threat.
Speaker 2: So I knew I was on the right path as
Speaker 2: far as the story. And when I came back to
Speaker 2: New York, I mean by the I spent a week
Speaker 2: in Nebraska, and by that time I realized that this
Speaker 2: was a huge pedophile network, and it had plundered boys
Speaker 2: town and chances, and it was certainly covered up by
Speaker 2: the state and federal authorities, and I felt like there
Speaker 2: was a pretty good chance that it was connected to intelligence.
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to nail down the DC component of this,
Speaker 2: the DC blackmail component, but left pretty shocked. Actually, I
Speaker 2: was stunned that our government would cover up child trafficking
Speaker 2: or perpetuate child traving, have anything to do with child traffing,
Speaker 2: and I felt like I had to do something about it.
Speaker 2: A lot of people, when they see just really abominable evil,
Speaker 2: can turn away and because they can't do anything. And
Speaker 2: I felt like, well, I'm a writer, and maybe I
Speaker 2: can do something. So I spent the next seven years
Speaker 2: on that book, and I went about as deep into
Speaker 2: a child trafving network as someone can get, I mean,
Speaker 2: I was able to get to many levels of it
Speaker 2: and get a lot of corroboration, and the book was
Speaker 2: probablysh two thousand and nine, twenty ten, and nobody wanted
Speaker 2: to buy it. And I was on podcasts these are
Speaker 2: kind of nascent podcasts with lunatics, and that that was
Speaker 2: very tough, and nobody wanted to buy the book, I
Speaker 2: mean the books. And I worked very hard at that book,
Speaker 2: and there wasn't really I had a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: now down, but people weren't ready at that point to
Speaker 2: concede that their government was involved in child trafficking or
Speaker 2: covering up child trafficking. And I'd gotten a heavy dose
Speaker 2: of cognitive dissonance when I was pitching it in New
Speaker 2: York to various magazine editors and I after a while,
Speaker 2: I could see the wheels start to turn and they
Speaker 2: would think, this is a horrible story, and I need
Speaker 2: to help Nick Bryan or I can write Nick Brian
Speaker 2: off as crazy and I can have a nice dinner
Speaker 2: with my family tonight. And I also had some friends
Speaker 2: that were big shots in publishing, and nobody was willing
Speaker 2: to help me. A good friend of mine, I'm from Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: and a good friend of mine from Minneapolis that I
Speaker 2: had done for decades had his own column in the
Speaker 2: New York Times, and he was completely unwilling to help me,
Speaker 2: and I started to look at Epstein in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: I was pretty devastated that I'd spent seven years on
Speaker 2: a book and we really couldn't get many people to
Speaker 2: buy it. It was all over the Internet. But I
Speaker 2: found out that people liked the internet version of the
Speaker 2: book rather than the factual version of the story, because
Speaker 2: it had bounced around with on the Internet for a
Speaker 2: long time, and it had been conjoined with reptilians, Repelian
Speaker 2: shape shifting ets, and the Illuminati and things like that.
Speaker 2: So and then Wikipedia did a number on it and
Speaker 2: locked that page down and no one could touch touch it.
Speaker 2: So I was pretty disillusioned. But I saw that Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein had molested various girls at that point. He was
Speaker 2: a long pedophile. And there was a grand jury that
Speaker 2: came out and said he had molested a single child.
Speaker 2: So and that same thing happened in Nebraska. There was
Speaker 2: a grand jury that came out and said that not
Speaker 2: a single child but had been molested by the Franklin
Speaker 2: trapping network. And there was a stake rngeury and federal
Speaker 2: gran jury. So I went down to Florida and I
Speaker 2: just I felt like I had to look into it.
Speaker 2: And at that point I did acquire the Black Book.
Speaker 2: In the Black Book, in addition to having a lot
Speaker 2: of perpetrators, it has over one hundred victims. And I
Speaker 2: started to call the victims and they were telling me
Speaker 2: about being flown around and flown to an island and again.
Speaker 2: At this point and twenty twelve, Jeffrey Epstein was just
Speaker 2: a long pedophile. So I took the Black Book back
Speaker 2: to New York and I pitched it and no one
Speaker 2: wanted to touch it, and Actually I almost gave up
Speaker 2: on it, and then I met John Cook, who was
Speaker 2: the editor in chief of Gonker at that point, and
Speaker 2: he said they'd be willing to do it. And at
Speaker 2: that point we put up the Black Book. And in
Speaker 2: the interim I had acquired a number of flight logs too,
Speaker 2: so we put those up. So I was the guy
Speaker 2: that put up the Black Book and the flight longs.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, and it's it's just a who's who of
Speaker 1: elite important people. Probably probably I'm assuming you saw some
Speaker 1: overlap between Epstein and Franklin, because it may have been
Speaker 1: centered at Franklin. But those kids' testimonies Bonacci and Boner,
Speaker 1: Troy Boner was another one. They were being moved around.
Speaker 2: Right, They were flown around. Yes. And a major common denominator,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a number of common denominators, like grand
Speaker 2: juries that have been corrupted and federal law enforcement that
Speaker 2: has clamped down on anybody trying to tell the truth.
Speaker 2: But a major common denominator was William Barr. He was
Speaker 2: the attorney general under Bush, one who covered up the
Speaker 2: Franklin network. Thornburg was the attorney general before Barr, and
Speaker 2: he initiated the cover up but then Barr kind of
Speaker 2: put the finishing touches on the cover up. And Barr
Speaker 2: was the attorney general for Trump one administration, who also
Speaker 2: covered up by Epstein. So and you can see how
Speaker 2: these guys get recycled, how these dirty players get recycled.
Speaker 1: He also lied. I think he's proven lied about Epstein's
Speaker 1: death in jail because he made some statement that said
Speaker 1: like he had seen in there, But people who've been
Speaker 1: in the jail said that it's contradicted, it's not the truth.
Speaker 2: That's my understanding. Yeah, I mean, William Barr has been
Speaker 2: with the CIA forever and it's even on his Wikipedia page.
Speaker 2: That means you can't really dispute it. And if you
Speaker 2: look into William Barr, I'm not going to get into
Speaker 2: his background, but if you look into William Barr's background,
Speaker 2: he's a very very dirty guy. He's covered up a
Speaker 2: lot of major criminal activity by branches of our government.
Speaker 1: Wow, right, so Barr cover ups, grand jury cover ups,
Speaker 1: Epstein cover ups, right, even going back to Acosta and
Speaker 1: like you know these like Sweetheart deal all the way
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight, right, that was the
Speaker 1: first one.
Speaker 2: Well, actually the first one was in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, the neutron that went end
Speaker 2: of the plutonium. Here is a fourteen year old girl
Speaker 2: told her stepmother that she had been molested by Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 2: and her stepmother brought her to the Palm Beach Police department.
Speaker 2: And at that point, the Palm Beach police just looked
Speaker 2: upon Epstein as a very wealthy, philanthropic type. They did
Speaker 2: not know about his dark side. And the girl described
Speaker 2: the interior of his home and also his anatomy, and
Speaker 2: she was They believed her, and just the details that
Speaker 2: she was able to remember, and then she said who
Speaker 2: recruited her? And the Palmage Police Department ultimately found that person,
Speaker 2: and she just opened up very quickly, and she had
Speaker 2: gone to the same high school and she was recruiting
Speaker 2: girls from high school she had graduated at this point,
Speaker 2: and she had there were like eight girls that she
Speaker 2: had recruited. And then the Palmage Police Department ultimately found
Speaker 2: twenty three victims that had been recruited, and they were
Speaker 2: ready to arrest Jeffrey Epstein. Actually, I've got the warrant
Speaker 2: for his arrest. They were going to arrest him. They
Speaker 2: had the statements of five victims, and then they had
Speaker 2: the corroborating statements of seventeen people. So they were going
Speaker 2: to arrest him on four CONTs of unlawful sexual activity
Speaker 2: with a minor and one kind of loot and lascivious molestation.
Speaker 2: And then that case got taken away from them and
Speaker 2: given to a grand jury. And usually grand juries are
Speaker 2: just in Florida, it's rare to have a grand jury
Speaker 2: that looks at anything other than a capital case. And
Speaker 2: that grand jury was dirty. It's I don't know if
Speaker 2: your audience is familiar with how easy it is to
Speaker 2: corrupt a grand jury. But a special prosecutor has chosen
Speaker 2: and he or she presents the evidence that are shown
Speaker 2: to the grandeurs and calls the witnesses that the grandeur
Speaker 2: has listened to. And grand jurors are just citizens that
Speaker 2: have shown up for grand jury duty, so a special prosecutor.
Speaker 2: There's that quip by a former New York Supreme Court
Speaker 2: justice who said that special prosecutors have so much power
Speaker 2: over grandeurs that they could get them to in dyet
Speaker 2: a ham Sandwich. And the special prosecutor in the Epstein
Speaker 2: case only called two Epstein victims and one was fourteen,
Speaker 2: which was messed by Epstein. She was now sixteen. And
Speaker 2: one was sixteen when she was molested by Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: multiple times, and she was now eighteen. And that special
Speaker 2: prosecutor skewered those girls, skewered them, and at one point
Speaker 2: she's calling them prostitutes. I mean, and here's very fragile fourteen,
Speaker 2: sixteen year old kid that had been molested by Epstein,
Speaker 2: which it was fourteen, and the grand jury came back
Speaker 2: that Epstein hadn't lasted a single child. That's where my
Speaker 2: kind of my radar zoned in on Epstein when I
Speaker 2: was reading about it. And Michael Ryder, he is the
Speaker 2: hero in this story. He was the chief of the
Speaker 2: Palmage Police Department and he would not back down. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was threatened, he was followed, he ate a lot
Speaker 2: of intimidation, but he wouldn't back down. And then he
Speaker 2: called that grand jury I think the greatest miscarriage of
Speaker 2: justice in modern times, something to that effect. And he
Speaker 2: went to the Department of Justice and he said, you
Speaker 2: guys have got to dig into this store and investigate
Speaker 2: it because all these girls were realizted. So the Department
Speaker 2: of Justice started digging into it. And actually at that point, well,
Speaker 2: they had a list initially of thirty four underaged girls
Speaker 2: that have been molested by Jeffrey Epstein, but they knew
Speaker 2: of forty. And all of a sudden there was radio
Speaker 2: silence from the Department of Justice. And what was going
Speaker 2: on was Epstein's lawyers, which included Elandrshowitz and kim By
Speaker 2: and Roy left Court or Roy Black, and there wasn't
Speaker 2: a star was Starrup was one of them men. They
Speaker 2: were cooking up a very very very dirty deal. And
Speaker 2: what ultimately happened was and I've got the emails between
Speaker 2: the assistant US Attorney and Jay Lefkowitz, who was one
Speaker 2: of Epstein's attorneys, and they're negotiating this dirty deal, and
Speaker 2: they've concluded the dirty deal. And the assistant US attorney says,
Speaker 2: there's one justice that will sign off on this of
Speaker 2: all the judges and magistrates, I said, said magistrate that
Speaker 2: will sign off on it. Of all the judges of magistrates,
Speaker 2: she knew of one that was corrupt or gullible or
Speaker 2: whatever that would sign it. And he signed it. And
Speaker 2: then the Feds sealed it, and attorneys representing the victims
Speaker 2: and also the Palm Beach Post appealed the ceiling, and
Speaker 2: the Palm Beach Police judge or the Pumbach County Judge,
Speaker 2: Kenneth Merra, said that it should be unsealed, and the FEDS,
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice appealed that, and then it went
Speaker 2: to the Eleventh Circuit, and then the Eleventh Circuits said
Speaker 2: it should be unsealed. And what we saw there is
Speaker 2: mind boggling. That document gave blanket immunity to all the
Speaker 2: perpetrators of Ebstein. All the perpetrators got blanket immunity. And
Speaker 2: there's the Victim Crimes Right Act, and according to that law,
Speaker 2: victims of crimes have to be apprized of the adjudication
Speaker 2: of their perpetrators and also they get to confront their perpetrators.
Speaker 2: But the FEDS had completely trampled disavowed that law. They
Speaker 2: did not give any of Epstein's victims, They did not
Speaker 2: apprize any Ebstein victims of the Dirty Deal, and no
Speaker 2: Ebstein victims were able to confront Epstein. So that was
Speaker 2: what the Department of Justice did. And Alexander Costa was
Speaker 2: the US Attorney for the Southern Florida, so he was
Speaker 2: the one that oversaw it, and he was also Trump's
Speaker 2: first Labor secretary, and when he was getting vetted by
Speaker 2: the Trump administration, he said he was asked why he
Speaker 2: went so light on Epstein, and he said, I was
Speaker 2: told Epstein was intelligence and it was above my pay
Speaker 2: grade and to stand down. And I did a lot
Speaker 2: of research on this, talk to some legal scholars. According
Speaker 2: to these legal scholars, there's only two people in the
Speaker 2: government that can tell a US attorney to stand down.
Speaker 2: One is the Attorney General and one is the president.
Speaker 2: And this was in two thousand and seven. So the
Speaker 2: Attorney General was Alberto Gonzalez and the president was George Bush.
Speaker 2: The second the cognitively challenged George Bush. And I can't
Speaker 2: imagine and attorney general covering up a nationwide pedophon network
Speaker 2: without his boss giving him the okay. So I believe
Speaker 2: that Epstein's pedophon network in two thousand and seven was
Speaker 2: covered up from the zenith of power in the United States.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, I mean, and it was happening. And there
Speaker 1: were intimidations of the girls back then too. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: because I think I remember seeing it in the court
Speaker 1: files that they got the black you know, SUV treatment yea.
Speaker 1: They got all their information off of one.
Speaker 2: Of the social media media. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they really did a number on them, tried
Speaker 1: to prove that they were morally culpable or something like.
Speaker 2: That, and that they were druggies. And I mean that's
Speaker 2: the same old story. Yet we saw it in the
Speaker 2: Franklin Scanner, we've seen it at other places. It's killed
Speaker 2: the messenger.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it was all the it's the scale
Speaker 1: of it was really incredible, Like they systematically intimidated all
Speaker 1: these kids. I mean, God forbid they would come forward,
Speaker 1: so they're afraid of coming forward, and then that happens somebody.
Speaker 1: Kind of similar happened back in twenty seventeen or eighteen
Speaker 1: with Glen Maxwell too, because there was there was some
Speaker 1: interesting things happening with Gifrey and some other people. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, all this stuff happened. It could have been stopped, right,
Speaker 1: you know, nipped back in the two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, but it didn't.
Speaker 2: Could have been nipped in two thousand and five had
Speaker 2: the Palm Beach Police been able to arrest Jeffrey Ebstein.
Speaker 1: Right, And there was another wasn't there There were some
Speaker 1: kind of mysterious deaths around Franklin. And I think Terridori
Speaker 1: was the guy's name around Franklin.
Speaker 2: Gary Carridori was the Senate Subcommittee investigator who's playing blew up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd flown to Chicago, right, was flowing back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he flown in Chicago and he'd got he'd met
Speaker 2: with a blackmail photographer and he had got some photos,
Speaker 2: and he was flying back to Lincoln, Nebraska with those photos,
Speaker 2: and then his plane blew.
Speaker 1: Up with his son too.
Speaker 2: And I think that evidence was with his son, Yes,
Speaker 2: his seven year old.
Speaker 1: The reason I know a lot, I've had Temptat on
Speaker 1: my show two or three times, and he was the
Speaker 1: guy who did Conspiracy of Silence. Yeah, so he got
Speaker 1: those kids on film, or Bonacci and Troy Boner and
Speaker 1: so of these other girls whose name I can't remember now,
Speaker 1: but at least you could see their faces, so you
Speaker 1: can remember them. They're not just somebody in writing or
Speaker 1: something like that. But I think one of the cops
Speaker 1: from PAULM. Beach he died young too, like at fifty year.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: One of the detectives, Racerrey Cary, died of a heart attack.
Speaker 2: I believe that's at fifty three, Yeah, pretty young.
Speaker 1: So then did they know at that time or did
Speaker 1: you see how vast like Epstein's network was. I think
Speaker 1: we know now people have researched it. It's New Mexico
Speaker 1: to Virgin Islands, to Miami, to New York and internationally
Speaker 1: actually here.
Speaker 2: And also London in Paris?
Speaker 1: Right, was there an awareness of that that kind of
Speaker 1: international scope back in two thousand and seven, two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight or two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: The Palmies police weren't aware of it, but I believe
Speaker 2: that the FBI and the FEDS were certainly aware of it.
Speaker 2: And what happened there was just really an abomination because
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Ebstein was able to go on molesting children and
Speaker 2: providing children to be molested for another eleven years. And
Speaker 2: that blood is on the government's hands, sure is.
Speaker 1: And it was kind of industrial scare scale. You met
Speaker 1: that the girls were encouraged to find other girls, almost
Speaker 1: like a multi marketing.
Speaker 2: Scheme that that happened in the Franklin scannal too. You
Speaker 2: get the victims to scavenge and then they get two
Speaker 2: hundred dollars or three hundred dollars. Wow, per victim that
Speaker 2: they bring back.
Speaker 1: Was but the Franklin was boys and girls. It seems
Speaker 1: like Epstein was almost only teen girls. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Franklin was mostly boys, some girls, and Epstein
Speaker 2: was mostly young girls. But there's accounts of girls being
Speaker 2: younger than ten years old that he trafficked. And and
Speaker 2: King liked of the Franklin network. He liked pubescent boys.
Speaker 2: But if you wanted a seven year old or an
Speaker 2: eight year old, he'd provide you with a seven year
Speaker 2: old or an eight year old. That's these guys are psychopaths.
Speaker 2: They're panttering these children to psychopaths. I mean, they don't
Speaker 2: have to worry a conscience isn't going to impede what
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 1: Incredible, it's incredible, and it's still I mean, like everything
Speaker 1: that happened in twenty eighteen. There was the raid on
Speaker 1: the mansion in New York City and they found evidence
Speaker 1: like containers or something in there. They're conveniently for god,
Speaker 1: like where those tapes went or I thought there were
Speaker 1: tapes that had the FBI marker on them. Do you
Speaker 1: recall that at all?
Speaker 2: Well, actually, the day after Jeffrey Epstein was arrested in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen at Teeterborough report, the FBI opened up his safe. Now,
Speaker 2: his safe wasn't didn't have the dimensions that one thinks
Speaker 2: of when they think of a safe. I mean, his
Speaker 2: safe was the size of a closet. And according to
Speaker 2: the New York Times, there were hundreds, if not thousands,
Speaker 2: of images of child abuse material and there were many,
Speaker 2: many discs, and also Business Inside reported that there were
Speaker 2: hard drives too, And there was a strange document that
Speaker 2: was released by the Department of Justice and the FBI
Speaker 2: last week. And there is a couple of things that
Speaker 2: I agree with. I agree with there were more than
Speaker 2: three hundred kilobyte gigabytes of child abuse material, and I
Speaker 2: also agree that there's over a thousand victims. But then
Speaker 2: it kind of loses me. Then it says that Epstein
Speaker 2: didn't pander any children to anybody, and that there was
Speaker 2: no blackmail, And I know that Epstein was pandering children
Speaker 2: to all kinds of guys, and I know that all
Speaker 2: kinds of guys are written blackmail too. That's why no
Speaker 2: one has gone down for this other than Epstein and Maxwell.
Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean, it's just incredible, and I remember
Speaker 1: your Giuffray rest in peace. Virginia Giuffrey, Virginia Roberts. She
Speaker 1: had her own bio or she wrote an autobiography. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people who don't know. It's in the Elaine Maxwell documents.
Speaker 1: I read it and she said she was in that
Speaker 1: mansion and they had a separate monitoring room. They literally
Speaker 1: had like a studio for like filming stuff in that place.
Speaker 2: Well, actually that all the bedrooms and bathrooms and his
Speaker 2: New York home were equipped with hidden cameras. Like the
Speaker 2: Franklin scandal. There was a huge house in Washington, DC
Speaker 2: that was equipped for audiagi of blackmail, and according to
Speaker 2: a couple of victims, there was a room where men
Speaker 2: as in plural, monitored those cameras. So right there, you've
Speaker 2: got a conspiracy, Like where.
Speaker 1: Are those employees? And what else has happened? What's happening
Speaker 1: on the island.
Speaker 2: And when the Department of Justice made that dirty deal
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven named co conspirators of Ebstein,
Speaker 2: But now there's no co conspirators. I mean Epstein just
Speaker 2: flew to that island by himself and had Martiniz and
Speaker 2: then flew home. I mean, the whole thing is so ridiculous,
Speaker 2: and we see how Pam Bondi and the Trump administration
Speaker 2: have just dug a hole deeper and deeper. On February
Speaker 2: twenty six, Bondie said that the Epstein files and now
Speaker 2: the Epstein files in the Epstein lists have been used synonymously,
Speaker 2: were on her desk and that she was going to
Speaker 2: release them, and then she released them, and it was
Speaker 2: like a nothing sandwich. When I released the Black Book
Speaker 2: with Hawker, we put up, we blacked out, redacted the
Speaker 2: phone numbers of the adults that were in the book,
Speaker 2: and then we redacted the last names and phone numbers
Speaker 2: of the victims. And I saw that book, that the
Speaker 2: Black Book that I put up, and the FEDS have
Speaker 2: redacted everything. Right, it was a.
Speaker 1: Non release, right, it wasn't likely released that you had
Speaker 1: already released.
Speaker 2: So I well, actually I put out more incriminating information
Speaker 2: on Epstein in twenty fifteen than they did in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. But here's Bondi just keeps getting herself into trouble,
Speaker 2: so there's no new revelations. And then Bondie declares that
Speaker 2: she's been bambuzled by the fbised Field Office. So either
Speaker 2: she lied about what she was releasing or she was inept,
Speaker 2: and I'm a charitable person, so I'm gonna go with inept.
Speaker 2: And then she further turnished her credibility. Well, she said
Speaker 2: that there was quote a truck fload of evidence unquote,
Speaker 2: and she said that only matters related to the national
Speaker 2: security would be redacted from the documents. So now she
Speaker 2: has to tell us what a bunch of child molesters
Speaker 2: have to do with national security. And here's the freshando
Speaker 2: of her, of her mendacity. This is a quote from her.
Speaker 2: There are tens of thousands of Epstein, tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of videos of Epstein with children or child porn, and
Speaker 2: there are hundreds of victims. So she acted like the
Speaker 2: FBI was just looking at that material for the first
Speaker 2: time when it had opened up Epstein's safe in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: And there's no way that the FBI and the dark,
Speaker 2: malignant corner of intelligence that deploy people like Epstein, we're
Speaker 2: looking at that stuff that night. I mean, they probably
Speaker 2: were looking at it that day and guys were doing
Speaker 2: double shifts to make sure but to see what was
Speaker 2: on that footage. So that so for her to say
Speaker 2: that the Department of Justice I was just looking at
Speaker 2: it in twenty five was absolute shit. And for Trump.
Speaker 2: For Trump to come out and say it was the Democrats,
Speaker 2: I mean, now he's digging himself a deeper hole because
Speaker 2: it was a butcher Gonzales and George Bush too that
Speaker 2: covered it all up and talked about co conspirators. So
Speaker 2: the the cover up started under Republicans, right, not not
Speaker 2: not Democrats, And.
Speaker 1: That was under his administration is when he was arrested
Speaker 1: in Tearbor, right, So it was Trump.
Speaker 2: Under Trump's administration. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's a terrible It's going to be
Speaker 1: a slow rolling catastrophe for him because there's so much
Speaker 1: evidence and the evidence that you've procured, you know, this black.
Speaker 2: How can he say? I? Okay? Sat I said that
Speaker 2: there was a couple of things I agreed with on
Speaker 2: that strange memo that came from the FBI Department of Justice,
Speaker 2: which nobody signed. No one was going to take the
Speaker 2: fall for that MAMO, which which kind of is human
Speaker 2: in a dark kind of way. But it said that
Speaker 2: there were over three hundred gigabytes. I agree with that,
Speaker 2: said that there were over a thousand victims. I agree
Speaker 2: with that. But then it says that These victims weren't
Speaker 2: pantered anybody. Now we know better than that. And the
Speaker 2: best thing that you can say to a victim of
Speaker 2: child sexual abuse or sexual assault is I believe you.
Speaker 2: The worst thing you can say is I don't believe you.
Speaker 2: So that document that was released last week is saying
Speaker 2: I don't believe you to scores and scores of young girls.
Speaker 2: And that's that's really malignant.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that memo is saying that these girls don't
Speaker 2: even exist, and that's that's unbelievably malignant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. You know, you mentioned the VCR
Speaker 1: and that they were allowed. These victims came out in
Speaker 1: their statements in court after gillne Maxwell. So I actually
Speaker 1: posted on my podcast. It took two hours to read
Speaker 1: it because this was their chance. Then there were twenty
Speaker 1: four girls who took the chance. Twenty four probably maybe more,
Speaker 1: many more, but they actually wanted to tell their stories.
Speaker 1: So it's on the record, the victims stories.
Speaker 2: Maxwell's trial was a sham because there were only four
Speaker 2: witnesses that testified, and those four witnesses had only been
Speaker 2: molested by Epstein and Maxwell. They hadn't been molested by
Speaker 2: any other perpetrators. And what I found to be very
Speaker 2: interesting is Damian Williams, who was the US attorney for
Speaker 2: the Sun District. He oversaw the Maxwell trial and which
Speaker 2: was very carefully choreographed because there could have been a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that came out at that Maxwell trial.
Speaker 2: And then he was also the guy that oversaw the
Speaker 2: grand jury beyond Diddy. And at that point did he
Speaker 2: had five civil suits penning against him, and two of
Speaker 2: them had been miners. He had trafficked two girls as miners.
Speaker 2: And the fifth lawsuit was from Little Roder Rodney Jones.
Speaker 2: He was a hip hop producer and in his lawsuit
Speaker 2: documentation he talks about did he trafficking children quite a bit,
Speaker 2: and then he also talks about hidden cameras. So at
Speaker 2: that point, Damian Williams decided in the Department of Justice
Speaker 2: and whoever else decided, well, we got to we got
Speaker 2: to ring the Diddy thing in. And what they did
Speaker 2: with that did he truck? I mean, I've never seen
Speaker 2: prosecutors work so hard to throw a case by my life.
Speaker 1: He only had two convictions out of just massive criminal
Speaker 1: drugs and trafficking and of the Man Act.
Speaker 2: Of the Man Act, I mean, I mean, you and
Speaker 2: I don't have any illegal training, but I think that
Speaker 2: you and I could have actually waged a much more
Speaker 2: vigorous defense than the assistant US attorneys. And one was
Speaker 2: Marine Komi, and she had also her father was head
Speaker 2: of the FBI, and she had been instrumental in covering
Speaker 2: up the Epstein trial. And she'd also been very instrumental
Speaker 2: and covering up Ditty's crimes. Also.
Speaker 1: It's just incredible. So Franklin to Epstein to Ditty, these
Speaker 1: huge trafficking, blackmail, it goes on. And then you wrote
Speaker 1: a book also about what's going like the Madams in DC.
Speaker 2: Like Confessions of Dac madd in Politics of Sex Lives
Speaker 2: in Blackmail, which is just more of the same.
Speaker 1: Right, So who isn't blackmail? That's the question. It's not
Speaker 1: who is, it's who. They probably just target everybody, don't
Speaker 1: you think they just target anybody with a pulse.
Speaker 2: I think if you can be blackmailed, you are I
Speaker 2: think that there are people that aren't blackmailed. We started
Speaker 2: an organization called the Epstein Justice and what we want
Speaker 2: is very simple. We want the government to tell us
Speaker 2: why it covered up child trafficking, and we want the
Speaker 2: perpetrators to be prosecuted, pretty simple, kind of a baseline morality.
Speaker 2: It's going to require a majority in the Senate, in
Speaker 2: the House, and we are starting a campaign. We've started
Speaker 2: a campaign of pressuring these lawmakers. And our next webinar
Speaker 2: is on will we provide the tools to pressure the lawmakers?
Speaker 2: Is next next Tuesday night, July twenty second. So I
Speaker 2: strongly suggest that your audience go to Epstein Justice dot
Speaker 2: com and register for our next webinar because it's going
Speaker 2: to take all of us. There's over three hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty million Americans, and if we can mobilize one third
Speaker 2: of one percent, that's a million people. And we can
Speaker 2: get things done with a million people. I believe that
Speaker 2: we should be able to mobilize more. But as we've
Speaker 2: got to do is mobilize a third of one percent
Speaker 2: and we'll get it done.
Speaker 1: I mean, And there's I mean, there's so much work
Speaker 1: that can be done. There's so many victims. Maybe you
Speaker 1: haven't come forth, and a lot of this stuff like
Speaker 1: go check it out.
Speaker 2: There's there's well over a thousand victims. But only that
Speaker 2: victims Compensation program. Only that was going to give victims
Speaker 2: settlements from Epstein's estate. Two hundred and twenty five women
Speaker 2: applied and one hundred and fifty were granted settlements and
Speaker 2: twelve declined because if you got a settlement from that program,
Speaker 2: you signed an NDA and you couldn't go after any
Speaker 2: of your other perpetrators. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I've been in this field for quite some time,
Speaker 2: and I've spoken at a lot of conferences, big conferences.
Speaker 2: The National Center and Sexual Expectation holds it like a
Speaker 2: world summit every year, and I've spoken at three of those.
Speaker 2: The Society for the Study of Traman Association as an
Speaker 2: international meeting where I've spoken at one of those, and
Speaker 2: I've all spoken at one of the Webers. I've spoken
Speaker 2: at a number of conferences, and I've gotten to meet
Speaker 2: psychiatrists and psychologists that work for that worked with sexual
Speaker 2: abuse victims child sexual abuse victims. And one of them
Speaker 2: called me. This was a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 2: she had a client who she felt had been trafficked
Speaker 2: by Epstein when she was under ten years old. And
Speaker 2: the woman could describe the terrier of Epstein's home and
Speaker 2: some other things that would have been impossible for her
Speaker 2: to know. And then I know a second therapist who
Speaker 2: worked with a victim who said that she'd been traffied
Speaker 2: by Ebstein when she was under ten years old. Now,
Speaker 2: both those therapists tried to get settlements for their victims,
Speaker 2: because when you're traffic at that young of an age,
Speaker 2: it's you know, your life gets decimated. And they were denied,
Speaker 2: and we have there's no criteria of who gets what
Speaker 2: from those settlements. But both those therapists thought that there
Speaker 2: are clients were denied because of they were they didn't
Speaker 2: fit the cover story of fourteen years that that seems
Speaker 2: to be what the media is settled on is that
Speaker 2: the youngest Epstein victims were fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you don't hear about any of those younger kids.
Speaker 1: Nut at least, I mean it's weird too. Like did
Speaker 1: giufray biography, she said that she had to sit down
Speaker 1: with Glaine and Jeffery and they said they wanted her
Speaker 1: to have a baby. Yeah, they would just take the
Speaker 1: infant like God only knows what would have happened to
Speaker 1: that infant. But like this is dark stuff. They were
Speaker 1: involved in very evil, very dark stuff. And some of
Speaker 1: the kids were a traffic from South America that we
Speaker 1: don't even never.
Speaker 2: Know or well, a lot of I mean a lot
Speaker 2: of the kids were traffic from Eastern Europe and Jean
Speaker 2: Brunell and Epstein started a modeling agency called mc squad,
Speaker 2: and Burnell had been he's a bad actor, I mean
Speaker 2: he'd been Actually sixteen minutes did a piece on him
Speaker 2: because he was fond of drugging and molesting underage girls.
Speaker 2: But he was actually buying, buying, not running, buying girls
Speaker 2: in Eastern Europe to bring back here. And according to
Speaker 2: Virginia Goo Free, they had something worked out with the
Speaker 2: government where they were able to get visas or passports
Speaker 2: or something for these underage girls that were that they
Speaker 2: were bringing into the United States.
Speaker 1: Probably some corrupt deal. I mean it's really incredible. I
Speaker 1: mean it really was a network. I just ran a
Speaker 1: video of Geffrey talking about how everybody knew, from the
Speaker 1: doorman to the chauffeur, to the haircutters, to the doctors,
Speaker 1: to the lawyers. So there's a lot more information that
Speaker 1: needs to come out. It's not going away. What number
Speaker 1: of our politicians are blackmailed, you know, which ones aren't
Speaker 1: going to make independent decisions or decisions based upon the
Speaker 1: best interests of their constituents, So like this is all
Speaker 1: vitally important.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we have an opportunity right now
Speaker 2: and we might not ever have this again, to clean
Speaker 2: out our government. Yeah, I think we have that opportunity.
Speaker 2: But not only do we need to clean out our government,
Speaker 2: but there's another major reason why this has to be
Speaker 2: resolved with justice. According to the Centers for Disease Control,
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of underage girls and five percent of
Speaker 2: underage boys in the United States have been molested. Now,
Speaker 2: a lot of people in the field will say that's
Speaker 2: probably slightly conservative for underage girls and way conservative for
Speaker 2: underaged boys. But if you just go with the CDC numbers,
Speaker 2: there's over fifty million Americans who have been molested as miners,
Speaker 2: over fifty million Americans. And the Department of Health and
Speaker 2: Human Services commission to study I think a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, and it found that between two hundred and
Speaker 2: forty thousand and three hundred and twenty five thousand women
Speaker 2: and children were sexually trafficked in the United States every year.
Speaker 2: Now here's where it gets really really egregious. The twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three Federal Human Trafficking Report found that only six
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty four individuals in the country were charged
Speaker 2: with child trafficking. So if we go with the smallest
Speaker 2: number from the Department of Health and Human Services, two
Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand, and only six hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: four individuals were charged with child sex trafficking. And then
Speaker 2: there's millions of hours of child abuse material on the Internet,
Speaker 2: and according to the US Sensing Commission, only one thy
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy five people in the US were
Speaker 2: convicted of making and disseminating child abuse material. So there
Speaker 2: are millions of victims of abuse and trafficking in the
Speaker 2: United States, millions. And this is another reason why Epstein
Speaker 2: justice is very important, is because if we allow the
Speaker 2: Department of Justice to be unrespond to victims in the
Speaker 2: Epstein case, a proven trafficking case, that sends a message
Speaker 2: to millions of victims that they have no voice and
Speaker 2: no hope for justice. And we have to send the
Speaker 2: message that you there, you do have hope and you
Speaker 2: can have a voice. And as long as the government
Speaker 2: continues to lie about this, we're just negating these these
Speaker 2: these children, negating them.
Speaker 1: And distancentivizing them from coming forward to because if they
Speaker 1: think there's no justice, like they're just going to get
Speaker 1: in trouble. They're they're going to be wasting their time
Speaker 1: or exposing themselves to uh reprisals or something. So this
Speaker 1: Epstein has to be resolved. He has to get justice.
Speaker 1: We have to get justice or.
Speaker 2: Whether well, well, the thing is with these networks, they're
Speaker 2: getting kids generally young. A lot of them have been
Speaker 2: molested previously, like Virginia Goufree had been molested when you seven,
Speaker 2: and then she'd been pantered by a pedophile named Ron Eppinger.
Speaker 2: But these networks, they get these kids that are already
Speaker 2: very damaged, and then they get they under repeated molestations.
Speaker 2: And then with the Franklin network, if you perform well,
Speaker 2: you'd get drugs or alcohol or whatever you wanted. And
Speaker 2: we see that there's a number of Epstein victims that
Speaker 2: anesthetize themselves from that particular brutality, and they go on
Speaker 2: to compromise their own credibility by a lot of times
Speaker 2: by committing various crimes. And which is almost a perfect system,
Speaker 2: is you get these victims and then really damage them,
Speaker 2: and then they go on to commit crimes and compromise
Speaker 2: their own credibility.
Speaker 1: Right, So it's like sustains itself through the abuse or whatever,
Speaker 1: the cycle of abuse or something comes back. Nick, we
Speaker 1: are at the forty five minute more, is there anything
Speaker 1: else you'd like to add? And where can people find?
Speaker 1: We have Epstein Justice right here. I'll put a link
Speaker 1: to that. Where can people find you and your books?
Speaker 2: My Epstein Justice is by far more important to me
Speaker 2: than selling books, So I would say go to Epstein
Speaker 2: Justice first. If you want to take my books, if
Speaker 2: you want to take a look at my books and
Speaker 2: read my blogs and the other things, you go to
Speaker 2: Nick BRYANTANMYC dot com.
Speaker 1: Nick BRYANTNYC dot com. So there's another I'll put links
Speaker 1: to that. So there's two websites. But your primary importance
Speaker 1: right now is for people to check out Epstein Justice.
Speaker 2: So people, I would much rather have people sign up
Speaker 2: for Epstein Justice than buy my books to tell you
Speaker 2: the truth. Awesome.
Speaker 1: So there is a sign up kind of thing here here,
Speaker 1: so you can put your name and your email.
Speaker 2: And then you can register for these webinars that we hold.
Speaker 2: And then as soon as you register, you'll get it
Speaker 2: at email back and then I'll give you the steps
Speaker 2: that you can take.
Speaker 1: Right And the next one is going to be July
Speaker 1: twenty second to twenty twenty five at eight pm Eastern,
Speaker 1: So people check.
Speaker 2: That out too, on Tuesday night at eight o'clin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, far away, just four days away from today. People
Speaker 1: check it out. Check out the website and again the
Speaker 1: author is Nick Bryant and goes back with Epstein all
Speaker 1: the way to the Black Book. Really incredible, like your
Speaker 1: piece of like right there, it's very historically important events.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time.
Speaker 2: Thanks William.
Speaker 1: All right, stay there, stay there,