WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:10.599 Jeffrey Darmer murdered seventeen young men over thirteen years. He 2 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:13.439 would cut open his victims for his own sexual pleasure, 3 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:17.640 preserve their severed body parts, and towards the end, eat 4 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:21.800 their thighs, biceps, and hearts. But how did this once 5 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:25.079 apparently innocent child turn into one of the world's most 6 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:30.160 gruesome serial killers. Did circumstance drive dharma to carnage and 7 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:33.600 cannibalism or was he born to kill. 8 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:00.200 Who? 9 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:07.719 Jeffrey Dahmer was one of the most infamous serial killers 10 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:13.000 of modern times. His name is synonymous with mutilation, necrophilia, 11 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:14.120 and cannibalism. 12 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.560 You think of the crimes that he committed, they're so horrific, 13 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:22.120 you kind of think only a madman or somebody totally evil, 14 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:25.040 evil incarnate would do this. But when you talked with 15 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:27.680 jeff Dahmer, you just did not get this idea. He 16 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:32.640 could be engaging, he could be bright, witty, he could 17 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:33.359 make jokes. 18 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:37.599 He was able to fool a lot of people. 19 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.439 People that worked with him had no idea that he 20 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.959 was a violent man. This was part of the real 21 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:46.439 danger of Jeffrey Dahmer. He could join you or me 22 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.040 at lunch and no one would detect that he was. 23 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:49.879 A violent person. 24 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:54.959 Jeffrey Dahmer, on the surface, was not a abnormal appearing individual. 25 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.959 He's fairly good looking, he's well spoken, he was articulate. 26 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:02.359 Never in a million years would I have guessed a 27 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:03.439 homicidal maniac. 28 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:06.359 To me, he's He's always been. 29 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.639 Really a tragic figure, which is kind of hard for 30 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:12.439 a lot of people to understand. But I don't really 31 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:14.759 think of him as, you know, the serial killer monster. 32 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:16.439 I just think of him as his kid who was 33 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:24.240 spiraling out of control and nobody stopped him. 34 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:28.479 Jeffrey Dahmer grew up in the small rural town of Bath, Ohio, 35 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:36.240 a middle class boy from Middle America. Robert Wrestler, an 36 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.840 FBI behavioral analyst and the man responsible for coining the 37 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:43.759 phrase serial killers, was called in to interview Dama. His 38 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:47.319 years of experience interviewing serial killers such as John Wayne 39 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:50.560 Gacy gave him a unique insight into Dahma's mind. 40 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:55.159 There is no evidence with Geoffrey Dahmer of any severe 41 00:02:55.199 --> 00:03:00.879 mistreatment or abuse in his childhood. His mother had metal problem, 42 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:04.680 He was depressed most of the time, She slept a lot, 43 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:08.759 and dropped out of family activities. The father was a PhD. 44 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:13.319 Chemist and very busy and very intelligent man who spent 45 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.439 a great deal of his time at work. 46 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:21.120 Pat Kennedy worked the beat in Milwaukee for over twenty 47 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:24.240 five years. Back in the summer of nineteen ninety one, 48 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:28.080 he was assigned to the Jeffrey Dahmer case and spent 49 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:31.240 six long weeks with him. He knew him better than most. 50 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:34.919 He was a product of upper white middle class. He 51 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:35.800 was educated. 52 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.159 He came from a family of. 53 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.280 Means, Yet the fractures in his parents' relationship left a 54 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:48.400 young Jeffrey feeling isolated. His interests turned to animals. He 55 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:51.479 viewed them very differently to how most children look upon 56 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:52.840 their pets. 57 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.960 He stated, when he was a very young child, seven 58 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:03.879 or eight, he had found a decomposed squirrel and the 59 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:06.080 bones were there. He kind of took it apart. He 60 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.319 said that he found a roadkill and he wanted to 61 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:11.479 see what was inside it, like a raccoon or a dog. 62 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:12.439 He brought that home. 63 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:14.400 A dead dog that he found on the side of 64 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:16.800 the road was hit by a car, cut that open 65 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:18.720 and looked at the inside of that. 66 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:21.600 Jeffrey started to do this from a very young age, 67 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:25.160 he would roam the surrounding countryside looking for roadkill to 68 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:29.079 add to his growing macarbre collection. His fascination with bones 69 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.319 would continue into his adulthood, but he would eventually move 70 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:34.639 from animals to humans. 71 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:37.240 As he got to be about thirteen or fourteen, and 72 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:45.079 he was coming into his sexual awareness that he had 73 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.600 some kissing with another boy in the neighborhood, and he 74 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:54.920 realized that he was attracted to boys becoming aroused sexually, 75 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.600 and the cutting up of these animals somehow became matched. 76 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:03.759 So what he did as a. 77 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:07.439 Young man with animals, he eventually did do later on 78 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:08.759 in life with human beings. 79 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.399 John beckdef first met Jeffrey Darmer when they were at 80 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:20.079 school together here at the Revere High School in the 81 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:24.879 mid seventies. John professionally known as DIRF, has since created 82 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:28.839 a comic book illustrating his teenage years with Dama Dahmer. 83 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:31.160 Well, he was he had a pretty rough time here, 84 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.360 as did a lot of us. You know, he was 85 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:39.240 the constant victim of harassment and abuse. Has beat up 86 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:42.000 a lot, especially early on. Later you know, they sort 87 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:46.480 of got bored with him. But early on, I imagine 88 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:47.360 he had it pretty tough. 89 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.399 Dama discussed his childhood at length with Robert Wrestler. This 90 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:54.120 is the first time these recordings have ever been heard. 91 00:05:54.759 --> 00:06:01.720 I was visiting the evening and these saw these three 92 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.959 seniors from high school approaching learns and I just had 93 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:08.120 a feeling that something was going to happen. Sure enough, 94 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:10.480 took him a billy and wagged me on the back. 95 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:19.439 Back when we got to high school. It was when 96 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:24.680 suddenly he became this. 97 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:23.680 This uh. 98 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:29.639 Incredible freak, you know, with the drinking and. 99 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:34.000 Erratic behavior. 100 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.040 By this time, Dharma had discovered that drinking was one 101 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.519 way to dull the pain of his confusion over his 102 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.279 sexuality and his sinister fantasies. 103 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:45.839 Did you have problems with daydreaming? Or you do kind 104 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.279 of a treating school well? And in junior year, that's 105 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.600 when I started drinking. So that's were you ever called 106 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:53.600 on a copper for that a couple of days. Yeah, 107 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.240 you had promise that was fare. 108 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.920 Obviously, someone getting drunk at seven in the morning is 109 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:06.120 not a good thing. Showing up at school. Just wreeking 110 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:08.120 of booze. 111 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:12.120 Jeffrey was a lonely teenager who kept to himself. When 112 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.079 he did become the center of attention. It was accidental. 113 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:18.399 Well, I was on the yearbook staff along with a 114 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.199 couple other of my friends, so we would go dahmer 115 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:24.920 into sneaking into various photos for the yearbook, and one 116 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:28.279 of those was the National Honor Society, which obviously he 117 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.800 was not a member of, And when the advisor caught 118 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:33.879 a look of it as we were pasting it up, 119 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.439 he blacked his face out of the photo, which they 120 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:38.959 then ran, which is sort of a symbol of his 121 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:43.399 wasted youth, just this blacked out face, you know, the 122 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:44.680 boy who didn't exist. 123 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:48.839 Jeffrey's complex character meant that while seemingly happy to fade 124 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.759 into the shadows, he also felt a desperate need to 125 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:53.199 draw attention to himself. 126 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.879 A bunch of us got together and raised put a 127 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.079 pool in of thirty five dollars. I think it was 128 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.480 for him to put on a performance at the mall 129 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:07.079 of his seizures and epileptic fits and various acts of weirdness. 130 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.240 Dirth also remembers stories of Dama experimenting with animals. His 131 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.920 odd behavior was evident one fishing. 132 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:25.319 Trip fish out of the lake, just a little sunfish, 133 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:27.800 and took out a pocka knife and slashed it to bits, 134 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:34.039 and my other friend said, what the hell did you 135 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:34.480 do that for? 136 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.080 Dahma responded, I just wanted to see what it looked like. 137 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.879 As a teenager, as an extension of his childhood fascination 138 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:49.039 of dead animals, Dama began to construct fantasies of sex 139 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:50.840 with dead or unconscious men. 140 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.200 Dahmer told me that on one occasion, he had seen 141 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:58.759 in the newspaper on account of a young man who 142 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:04.240 was killed on a motorcycle, and he fell in love 143 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:08.559 with the individual just from the photograph. He actually went 144 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:12.799 to the funeral home to a view the corpse, but 145 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:17.000 he became so aroused that he excused himself into the bathroom, 146 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:18.080 where he masturbated. 147 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:21.000 This was also a parent in his fantasy of killing 148 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:21.919 a local junker. 149 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:24.639 He thought he would wait in the bushes with the 150 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.240 baseball bat. This guy would come by, and he'd balk 151 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.120 him in the head and he'd have this guy. And 152 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:32.879 he actually said he went out and waited for the 153 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:35.039 jogger one day with a baseball bat, but he didn't 154 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:35.840 come by that day. 155 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:39.120 The breakdown of his parents' marriage meant that eighteen year 156 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.759 old Dama was left alone with his fantasies. 157 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:45.799 His mom spled and his dad had already left, and 158 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.039 he was left alone in the house. But the adults 159 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:53.360 really failed him. There's no question as parents, as teachers, we. 160 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:57.320 Were pretty upset by that breakup. I know it was 161 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:04.120 pretty obvious. Yeah, person, Yeah, yeah, for sure. 162 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.519 And it was this that led to the death of 163 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:08.559 his first victim. 164 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.600 Damer told me that one fantasy that he had was 165 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:17.480 that he would encounter a hitchhiker and he would be 166 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.360 have a narrow waist, broad shoulders, a bird chest. He 167 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:25.159 would not have a shirt on, and he would have 168 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.320 very little hair in his body. He would pick up 169 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.960 this hitchhiker and that they would have a great time 170 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:36.480 together in all sorts of sexual adventures. He was driving 171 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:41.399 down the road and he saw his fantasy hitchhiker. 172 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:47.159 The subject of Dumba's fantasy was sixteen year old Stephen Hicks. 173 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:50.600 Hicks was a free spirit who was hitchhiking to a 174 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.080 summer festival. This was a common form of transport in 175 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.200 nineteen seventies Ohio. Little did Hicks know who he would 176 00:10:58.279 --> 00:10:59.240 encounter in this. 177 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.960 Calm brought the guy home. They had access to alcohol, 178 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.159 they were drinking. They got a little intoxicated. But when 179 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.200 the guy wanted to leave, Jeff did not want him 180 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:10.799 to leave. He wanted him to stay because he was 181 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:14.639 lonely and else he was intoxicated. He said that when 182 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.679 he tried to stop the guy from leaving, a little 183 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:18.919 bit of a wrastling match broke out, and as they 184 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.840 were rastling around, that's when Jeff grabbed a hand bire 185 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.639 bell and smashed the guy on the head. Now, he 186 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.799 said when he hit him, he didn't really he wasn't 187 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:29.759 thinking I'm going to kill this guy. I just want 188 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:30.519 to keep him here. 189 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.320 Dahma cut the body up and placed it in black binliners. 190 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.120 He loaded them into his car and was planning to 191 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:40.759 dispose of them when he was stomped by a police 192 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:42.919 officer for a minor traffic offense. 193 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.960 As he was writing him a ticket and came back 194 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:50.200 to give him the ticket for crossing the yellow center line. 195 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.080 He also, like any police officer, he took his flashlight 196 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:55.360 and flashed inside the car to see if there's any 197 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.559 weapons or any contraband. 198 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:57.759 Like any good cop. 199 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.840 And he saw the five bag and the guy actually said, hey, 200 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:03.519 what's that back there, And he said, oh, it's just 201 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.279 some trash I was going to take to the domp 202 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:08.720 that I just didn't get there yet, And the cop 203 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:10.159 gave him the ticket for a cross in the center 204 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:10.960 line and left. 205 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:14.120 This was the first of the many missed opportunities when 206 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:15.759 Dharma could have been stopped. 207 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:24.799 This is Dahmer's house. 208 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:32.039 This is where he killed his first victim. He took 209 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:36.600 it into this crawl space and apparently stripped the flesh 210 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:41.200 off the bones underneath there, and when the cops went 211 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.200 in there, turned his light on it and the whole 212 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:48.039 thing lit up. Ceiling, floor, walls, everywhere, just covered with 213 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:49.279 dried blood. 214 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:53.440 He then smashed the bones up with a snedchhammer, stood 215 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:55.480 in the middle of the woods and spun in a 216 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.879 three hundred and sixty degree circle, throwing the remains as 217 00:12:58.879 --> 00:12:59.440 he turned. 218 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.159 He said, for the next couple of weeks, you'd read 219 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:05.159 the paper every day to see was there anything about 220 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:06.639 this guy missing or anything. 221 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:07.639 Never did. 222 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:12.320 So he realized I got away with murder. I killed 223 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:15.919 somebody and nobody knows about it. I'm gay and nobody 224 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.519 knows about it. Again, from the very beginning, more secrecy 225 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:21.320 became part of his life. 226 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:22.600 It also tortured. 227 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:25.000 Him, and that's kind of how it started, and then 228 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:26.039 it just grew from there. 229 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:29.960 It would be nine years before Delma would kill again. 230 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:38.279 Once he did, he would be unable to stop. Jeffrey 231 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:42.559 Dlma began to drink heavily after enrolling in college. His 232 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:45.559 attempt to lead a normal life was not going according 233 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:45.960 to plan. 234 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:53.360 After he had flunked out of Ohio State for being 235 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:56.279 drunk and then got kicked out of the army, he 236 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:00.759 had a short stint down at Florida, didn't last very long. 237 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.360 With no job and no skills, but consumed with a 238 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.039 desire to kill again. Dema went to live with his 239 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:10.279 grandmother in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, trying to find sonace in religion. 240 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:12.519 And he said when he first came to West Dallit 241 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:15.399 he would go with Grammar at a church on Sundays. 242 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:17.240 He tried to read the Bible. 243 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:22.720 He totally didn't do anything homosexual. He didn't try to 244 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.039 get involved with any kind of gay stuff. 245 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:26.080 He said, he. 246 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.879 Really thought this is the way to go. Religion is 247 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:29.960 going to be my savior. 248 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.879 For a while, Dama was able to control his urges. However, 249 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:36.919 this proved to be the calm before the storm. 250 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:40.679 An interesting thing that tipped The balance for him was 251 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:44.519 he was at the Wawatosa library. As he was sitting 252 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.200 there reading a book, a young man walked by him 253 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.480 and threw a crumpled up peoples of paper in front 254 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:52.360 of him and walked by and Jeff took it, opened 255 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:53.960 it up and inside and said, if you want to 256 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.159 blow job, meet me in the men's room. 257 00:14:57.080 --> 00:14:58.960 Do you think that that note thrown thing was kind 258 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.200 of a catalyst a trip, it seems, and wait to hear, 259 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.159 because that's when everything started falling hard. What does that 260 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.080 mean to you? I mean this thing, it just was 261 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.960 just sitting there sort of throwing out a challenge to 262 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.519 whoever did make sure enough stud he didn't know e 263 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:18.279 fou again and he didn't meet up with. 264 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:29.399 He said, that's at the stage for seeking more contact 265 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:34.159 from a sexual side with young men, and that that 266 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:38.000 led to homicide and that when on seventeen more. 267 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:42.159 Times, incapable of relating to people, but desperate for his 268 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:46.440 own brand of necrophilic sexual contact. In nineteen eighty five, 269 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:50.120 Dama started to hang out in gay bathhouses where he 270 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.440 would take his partner to a cubicle and drug them. 271 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:55.080 He was a very selfish lover. 272 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:59.639 He he wanted to be the giver. He did now 273 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:04.360 want to be the receiver of homosexual sex. Actually, he 274 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:12.759 enjoyed oral and anal sex, but did not want anyone 275 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:14.200 to perform anal sex on him. 276 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:17.159 Sex for Thelma was a matter of obtaining and exercising 277 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:20.480 physical control of his partner. But when word got around 278 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:22.919 that he was drugging young men, he was banned from 279 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.720 the local homosexual hangouts, so I resorted to using hotels. 280 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:30.960 Jeff met an individual at a tavern and convinced him 281 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:34.159 to come back where he had a room here at 282 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:38.559 the Ambassador Hotel, and he brought gentleman back to his hotel, 283 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:45.639 drugged him with the drug alcohol combination, and then Jeff himself, 284 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.279 according to he blacked out. When he woke up in 285 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.080 the morning, this person was lying next to him dead 286 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:56.559 and was beaten about the face and the chest and 287 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.000 the body, and Jeff figured that he did kill him, 288 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.879 but he didn't. He couldn't remember doing it because he 289 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:03.799 was an alcoholic. 290 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:09.039 Black home, he went to uh department store across the street. 291 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.759 He bought a very large suitcase or a small trunk, 292 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.400 if you will, and brought it up to the room 293 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.359 and put the body in it and actually had the 294 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:25.960 hotel thus boy help him bring the body down to 295 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:28.759 the street where he hailed a cab. The cab driver 296 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:33.359 helped him load it into the cab and said to Dahmer, 297 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.319 this is really heavy, buddy, what he got in here 298 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.079 a body? And Dahmer said, yeah, I do, and that 299 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:44.839 they both laughed about it after the ambassador one that 300 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.039 was that did you find that pleasurable? 301 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:52.279 Or was that equally frightening? For what reason? Was that 302 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:54.640 one fright? Because it was a totally plan. It was 303 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:57.400 a total surprise to me that did happened. 304 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:01.359 Happened for the people have Milwalk. It was just the 305 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.119 beginning of a killing spree that would last five years. 306 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:09.720 District Attorney Michael McCann remembers the time. 307 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:14.880 Well Dahmer killed sixteen young men between nineteen eighty seven 308 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:18.039 and nineteen ninety one. We had no idea that a 309 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:20.319 serial slayer was operating in our city. 310 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.880 From this moment onwards, Dama continued to kill. Sometimes there 311 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.240 would be months, weeks, or even just days between his killings. 312 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:31.839 After already killing four men in August nineteen eighty eight, 313 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:36.319 Darma made a fatal mistake. His fifth victim, escaped. The 314 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:39.599 police were called and Dama was arrested for molesting and 315 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:43.960 taking photographs of a thirteen year old boy. With the 316 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:46.759 police and the court unaware of his grisly death toll, 317 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.319 he was sentenced to do only twelve months in a 318 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.799 low security prison. His defense lawyer was Gerald Boyle. 319 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.359 He had spent first year in a very very uncomfortable 320 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.400 environment of the county jail where he could only get 321 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:01.960 out to go to work, a very hard way to 322 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:07.160 serve time. So the judge gave him this very strong sentence. 323 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:07.039 But. 324 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:09.359 Nobody kick. 325 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:11.839 Yes, he had already killed four people by that time. 326 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.559 Dama's sentence was reduced after he made a desperate plea 327 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:19.400 to the court, stating that what he did was deplorable 328 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:22.039 and assuring the judge that it would never happen again, 329 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:30.640 but it soon would. Dama needed to get his own place. 330 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.240 He moved from his grandmother's house to Flat two one 331 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:36.119 to three Oxford apartments. 332 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.279 So here's the building where it used to be. And 333 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:43.000 now the city has done nothing with this, absolutely nothing, 334 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:46.680 It just sits there. Fallum. 335 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:48.880 Now the building was in this design. 336 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.799 It was a rectangle three story white stock l thirty 337 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:53.599 six unit. 338 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:58.440 Apartments Behind this door was a place for Dama to 339 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:02.759 fulfill his fantasies and commit horrendous act so that a 340 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:07.960 place of death and destruction. He would pick out many 341 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:09.839 of his victims from gay bars. 342 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.960 This area here is pretty much where kind of the 343 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:16.359 gay area kind of starts. This place right here two 344 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:19.880 nineteen was the place he liked to go for the 345 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.960 They would have the drag shows right next to it. 346 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.000 Sey Levie was another one of his favorites. As we 347 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.519 go this way, there's there's a couple now. He was 348 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.440 considered kind of a honey. I mean he was a 349 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:34.240 nice looking guy. I mean people thought he was nice looking, 350 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.440 and like I said, I wish I could be as 351 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:39.839 lucky with women as this guy was with men. I mean, 352 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.680 there's quite a he got laid a lot, and he 353 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.079 didn't kill everybody that he was sexually involved with. 354 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.240 Local bartender Tony Timer remembers Dama, well. 355 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.240 Come to the back bar and he'd order a drinking 356 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:57.519 and get a drinking and go and he'd sit in 357 00:20:57.559 --> 00:20:59.200 the corner. He was in his own little world, or 358 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:01.559 like he was always waiting for something, which obviously he was. 359 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.119 It was here that Dama met Tony's good friend Eddie Smith. 360 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:09.640 Eddie was such. 361 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:13.839 A wild, crazy person, so you couldn't help it like him, 362 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:18.079 which you know Dahmer did. And so they knew each 363 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.720 other well, you know, well enough to make him comfortable 364 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:24.440 enough to go into a house and take photographs. 365 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.880 Eddie dreamt of becoming a model, and Dama knew all 366 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:31.240 the right things to say. At one hundred dollars a session, 367 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:32.440 it was easy money. 368 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:34.599 Edie would be sitting at the bar and all of 369 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:36.759 a sudden, you know if Sometimes he would turn around 370 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:38.640 and say, I gotta go. We got to make some money, 371 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:40.880 and I'm like, where are you going? And he'd just 372 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:43.720 turn around and look towards the hallway and I'd see 373 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:48.119 Jeffrey's standing right there, and I'm like, oh, you're going, okay, 374 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:50.279 Well call me when you're whatever. 375 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:50.519 You know. 376 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.279 On Wednesday, the twenty fourth of June nineteen ninety, Eddie 377 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.880 met up with Dama and was seen dancing with him 378 00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:58.839 at the Phoenix Club. 379 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:01.240 He just left. Dahmer never came back. 380 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:04.799 It was only at the trial years later that Tony 381 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.799 realized that the same quiet man who used to drink 382 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:10.279 at the end of his bar was the same man 383 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.200 who had brutally murdered his friend. 384 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:18.400 The community was shattered, you know what I mean. People 385 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:21.440 stopped coming out. I blew my life apart. It didn't 386 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:24.319 just affect my life. 387 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:29.960 But it wasn't just the gay community that Dama targeted. 388 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.480 He was an opportunistic killer who was always on the 389 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:35.000 lookout for potential prey. 390 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.319 One of his victims was in the bus stop right here, 391 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:44.920 right up here, as a young man from Upper Michigan 392 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:49.880 who was just down here visiting, and Jeff Dahmer met 393 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:51.599 him in the bus stop right over there in front 394 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:56.200 of that McDonald's and convinced him to come home with him. 395 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:57.559 That was the end of that year. 396 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.599 Some of the men that he victimized were homosexual, some 397 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.359 were not. He would approach them and suggest that he'd 398 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:07.519 like to take pictures of them. 399 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:09.559 Would they come to his apartment. 400 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:12.519 He had already prepared at that apartment a drug that 401 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:13.920