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Sexual 40 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.560 predators exist in our society, and their evil desire leads 41 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:06.159 them to commit heinous, brutal crimes with little concern for 42 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:09.639 their victims or the toll it takes on the community. 43 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:14.560 Violent sociopaths have no interest in the needs or safety 44 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:18.280 of anyone else and see ordinary people as either targets 45 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.840 or competitors. They have no hesitation taking what they want 46 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:27.080 from their victims. Whether they are rapists, pedophiles, or murderers, 47 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:30.120 these monsters will do whatever it takes to get their 48 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:36.599 needs met and their evil desires satisfied. Captain Dean t Olson, retired, 49 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:39.800 is a veteran sex crimes detective with the Douglas County, 50 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:45.280 Nebraska Sheriff's Office serving the Omaha area. In his thirty 51 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:48.039 year law enforcement career, he has seen some of the 52 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:52.400 most horrible crimes committed by one person against another, and 53 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.520 he has arrested some of the worst sexual predators the 54 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:59.439 nation has ever seen. The book they were featuring this 55 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:04.000 evening is Evil Desires, The recollections of a sex crime 56 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:10.479 Detective with my special guest, detective and author Dean T. Olson. 57 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:12.960 Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for 58 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.719 agreeing to this interview. Dean t Olson. 59 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:18.319 Now, thanks for having me. 60 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.839 Thank you very much. This is an incredible book with 61 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:30.920 your experiences as you commanding the Criminal Investigation Bureau of 62 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.759 the Douglas County Sheriff's Department in Omaha, Nebraska, and you 63 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.600 retired after thirty years in two thousand and eight. You 64 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.560 have three other books, Perfect Enemy, Tactual counter Terrorism, and 65 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:48.199 The Omega Confluence. Now, you were a sex crimes detective, 66 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.680 as we mentioned, and obviously the focus of this book 67 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:57.560 is rape and murder. But in the beginning of this book, 68 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:02.160 you take the reader through the categories of rapists before 69 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:08.439 you get to these extreme, graphic and incredible tales that 70 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:12.360 show examples of these rapists and the characteristics that you 71 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.040 outline as you do in the book. Can you tell 72 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.360 us a little bit about the categories and what they 73 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:21.839 entail of these rapists. 74 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.439 Yeah, it's interesting. Back in the mid to late seventies, 75 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:30.759 the FBI started doing some serious research into the categories 76 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:34.199 of rapists. Their ultimate goal was to try to provide 77 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:37.480 law enforcement officers detectives with information that would help them 78 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.839 narrow the universal suspects so that they could focus their 79 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:44.959 investigative efforts more efficiently, and eventually they came up with 80 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:50.519 essentially four categories, the power reassurance rapists, the power assertive rapist, 81 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:55.519 the anger retaliatory rapist, and the anger excitation. So essentially 82 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:59.040 two power type rapists and two anger type rapists, and 83 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:05.199 the characteristics associated with each helps the detective to determine 84 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.439 which category to rape their investigating fits into, so they 85 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:12.399 can focus their investigating efforts more closely on identifying a 86 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.839 suspect instead of grasping at straws and looking at everybody 87 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:17.360 that might be involved in such a crime. 88 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.319 Now you provide an example of an incredible case. March 89 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:29.560 thirty first, nineteen eighty six, and a farmer found a 90 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:32.720 body of a boy named Ricky Chaddick. He had been 91 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:37.639 forwarded missing. March twenty third, nineteen eighty six. You get 92 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:44.720 this call and your partner, fellow detective, what is the process? 93 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.040 What do you do? First? You get the call, tell 94 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.480 us take us through what happens next. 95 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:53.560 My partner in ed Day was Dave and Salek and 96 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.560 a really good investigator, and we had worked together for 97 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:59.040 so long that we didn't need to talk. We could 98 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.600 read each other's movements and our thoughts, almost like reading 99 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:04.439 each other's minds. But that morning I was in my 100 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:08.240 office returning phone calls and Dave and I were backup investigators. 101 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.160 They had a big pass course organized at Omaha Police 102 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.199 Central Headquarters. I think there was sixty investigators working NonStop 103 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.319 twenty four hours trying to find Ricky Chaddick. These type 104 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:22.279 of cases are very emotional. They hit a community very hard, 105 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:24.759 so people were phoning in a lot of tips, you know, 106 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:28.079 thinking well, maybe this tip will help, and a lot 107 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.560 of times those tips they're not all that good. So 108 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.439 they would take the what they considered the prime tips, 109 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:35.920 the best tips, and give it to the lead investigators. 110 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:39.639 The more promising ones and lesser quality tips. They would 111 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:43.040 funnel to Dave and I's backup investigators and other backup 112 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.319 the investigators at other agencies as well, to free up 113 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:49.519 the prime investigators. The lead investigators to focus on what 114 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.040 they consider the more promising tips. And at the beginning 115 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:55.000 of an investigation like that, it is pretty much a mess. 116 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:58.199 You're just grasping at straws trying to flesh out the 117 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:00.759 details of the case and then ass year you have 118 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.879 to look at everything, because if you overlook one thing, 119 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.399 it might be the thing that is important. So they 120 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.399 would take the promising tips, focus it to the lead investigators. 121 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.079 The less promising ones they would folk, or they would 122 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:16.519 send off to backup investigators like me and Dave. That morning, 123 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:19.160 I was in my office returning phone calls and looking 124 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.000 at some tip sheets I had was going to go 125 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:25.000 work right away when my lieutenant came up and I 126 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:26.639 was on the phone at the time, and he kind 127 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:28.600 of patiently stood by my desk, and I knew he 128 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:30.639 was in a hurry, so I finished the phone call 129 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:31.720 and he said, you need to get out to one 130 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.159 hundred and sixty eighth in Ida at that time, a 131 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.360 rolling farm field on the west end of the city. 132 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.720 And he said the farmer found the body. So Dave 133 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:43.879 and I hit it out there. We arrived, the patrol 134 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:46.080 deputy was there, and the farmer was there and he 135 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.600 was pretty upset, and those days that weren't in his 136 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:50.840 cell phone. So he had been out to his field. 137 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.360 He'd seen a body in the ditch and kind of 138 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:55.440 backed by some trees a little ways off the road, 139 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.480 and he knew enough not to approach the body, so 140 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:01.679 that he would xaminate the scene. He went home in 141 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:04.759 his truck, contacted, they called nine to one one. The 142 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.879 patrol deputy showed up, and the patrol deputy was smart 143 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.679 enough to follow in the farmer's footprints, their foot track 144 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:14.480 back to the where the body lay. Once he got close, 145 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:16.840 he could see that there was a presence of lividity, 146 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.080 which is the purplish brown looks like bruising, but it's 147 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:25.559 not that indicates that the person is deceased because of 148 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:27.879 the blood pools and the lower portions of the body. 149 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:30.720 Once the patrol deputy had seen that, he knew he 150 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:33.960 didn't have to approach, that there was no resuscitation and 151 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.159 the child was already dead, so he backed out, took 152 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:38.039 the farmer back out the same way they walked in. 153 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:42.519 So when David I got there, we knew immediately that 154 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.120 we approached the same way, walked in the same footprints again, 155 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.000 so we minimize the contamination of the scene to see 156 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.440 the lividity. So immediately we call the crime lab out 157 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:55.840 and they sent out four people in a big mobile 158 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:59.960 crime lab van and took hours to check the scene 159 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:04.480 and then remove the body for an autopsy. Downicomord which 160 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:06.960 I attended the next day. I mean, you can tell 161 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.279 quite a bit from the condition of the body the 162 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:11.480 condition of the crime. Seeing it gives you tips about 163 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:13.679 who the offender might be or what type of category 164 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:17.000 of murder or rapist that he fits. And I say 165 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:20.799 rapists because even though a victim a body may not 166 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.759 show any obvious signs of sexual assault, it doesn't mean 167 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.000 the victim hasn't been assaulted in some way. But in 168 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.200 this case, I can't give a lot of information because 169 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.440 it's still considered an open case, and we have what's 170 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:34.279 called holdback information that you don't release to the public 171 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:38.200 because it could jeopardize the investigation or tip off a 172 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.200 suspect that you're looking at him, that type of thing. 173 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:42.879 So I can't talk with a lot of detail. But 174 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.879 the child had been fed, he'd been missing four or 175 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:49.840 five days, he'd been fed, he'd been kept, he was clean. 176 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.559 There were no obvious or overt signs of sexual assault, 177 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:55.639 but again it doesn't mean that he wasn't And from 178 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.240 the contents of his stomach, they knew approximately when he 179 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.600 had last been fed and things like that. But from 180 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.840 that the FBI uses that information the crime scene, the 181 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.960 family history, of the child and the child's age and 182 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.600 things like that make a prepare a profile that helps 183 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:16.000 you narrow down the universal suspects as you're looking for. 184 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:26.440 You include a case because a murder of Danny Joe Eberley, thirteen, 185 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.200 He disappeared while delivering newspapers. What is your connection to 186 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.559 this story as you write in the book and tell 187 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:37.919 us about this story that you've included. 188 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.200 Especially my connection, Well hit close to home for me 189 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:47.120 because Danny Joe Everley was the first of two victims 190 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:54.159 in Nebraska that was abducted and killed by I can't 191 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:55.759 think of the name off the top of my head, 192 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:02.480 John Jubert, John Jubert. He was an Air Force airman 193 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:04.840 station at the local Air Force base down and Bell, 194 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:06.799 the Offered Air Force Base, which at the time was 195 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.320 a sprawling Air Force base. It's quite a bit smaller now, 196 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.480 but there was a home with a strategic air command. 197 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:16.320 Any joy really was taken, and then a while later 198 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.879 a young boy named Christopher Walden was taken. And what 199 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.399 really hit close to me was that Christopher Walden was 200 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:25.080 kidnapped two blocks from my home on his way to school, 201 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:27.440 the same school that my son attended. My son and 202 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:30.000 daughter so it did really close to home because it 203 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:30.799 was right there. 204 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.679 You were assigned to the patrol division at that time 205 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:45.799 when Walden was abducted. What other things did this You 206 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:51.120 talk about one hundred officers on that case, and also 207 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:54.639 that rules have changed in some of these cases. I 208 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.200 don't know if they were the president for those changes, 209 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:01.759 but when one of these children went went missing, the 210 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:03.840 parents didn't find out till the end of the day. 211 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.000 So rules have changed as a result of these crimes 212 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:08.080 in these cases having. 213 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:12.919 Yeah, that's that's true. In fact, when Christopher Walden disappeared, 214 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:15.799 is the parents had no idea that they didn't show 215 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:19.200 up at school because in those days, the school wouldn't call. Well, 216 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:21.440 now I don't know of a single school that doesn't 217 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:23.279 call if a child didn't show up and say, hey 218 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.919 it's so and so, excuse for the day, or you know, 219 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:28.879 what's the status and it's it's directly as a result 220 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.840 in the Omaha area, especially of the John Jubert serial 221 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:32.679 murder cases. 222 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:40.320 Yeah, you were talking about the search for well, eventually 223 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.120 what they found out to be Jubert, but there was 224 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.039 no such spec suspects in the case. And you talked 225 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:49.879 about a guy that you say that a unique breed, 226 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:54.759 a dying breed. A sheriff. Thomas had an idea to 227 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.600 use the media, but it was controversially the FDI didn't 228 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.320 agree with him. Tell us about the idea and what 229 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:02.840 it did result in. 230 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:09.279 Well, I actually saw the case dat Thomas was a 231 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:13.240 old school sheriff in Sarpy County. Were the two abductions 232 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:17.639 that occurred, and as an executive, he was standing back 233 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:21.480 and letting his assigned people do their jobs, which is 234 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:24.279 what his job was. He didn't meddle, but he was 235 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.679 involved in every aspect of the case, but he would 236 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:30.919 stand back and watch. And after the Walden abduction, the 237 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.440 second abduction, he approached the task force and he said, hey, 238 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.960 we're not getting anything done here. We got kids being snatched. 239 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.679 He said, how about I get on TV and I'm 240 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:45.960 going to appeal to this guy. Turn yourself in, turn 241 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.039 yourself into a priest. You don't need to turn yourself 242 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.279 into me. And he said, I'm gonna talk to him. 243 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:52.919 I'm going to ask him, why are you picking on kids? 244 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:54.960 Why don't you pick on an adult, somebody who can 245 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:59.360 defend themselves. And the FBI was just adamant, No, you 246 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:02.360 can't do that because if another kid gets taken in 247 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:05.639 because you know, irk this guy or in some way, 248 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.519 it's going to come back on the task force and 249 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:10.960 we're going to be blamed for it, and then, you know, 250 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:13.919 and that's a legitimate concern. But Pat Thomas was not 251 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.039 to be dissuaded, and he said, no, he saw I'm 252 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:19.200 going on TV tonight and he did. And it turned 253 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.919 out to be the thing that precipitated the arrest because 254 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:25.360 John Gilbert reacted just the way Pat Thomas city would. 255 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:28.440 He saw the TV thing because he was watching the 256 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.360 progress of the case in the news, which Pat Thomas 257 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.879 also realized. He said, I think this guy's watching us 258 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:36.440 in the news. He's watching our newspaper reports, our TV 259 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:41.679 reports and seeing how close we're getting. And Gilbert watched 260 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:44.919 the broadcast and was just infuriated that Pat Thomas has said, 261 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.679 you're not a man because you're attacking kids, why don't 262 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:51.159 you attack an adult? So then the very next morning 263 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:54.159 he did. He went out and attacked a woman, an adult, 264 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:57.240 and she was able to get away from him, called police, 265 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:59.320 gave a license number of a car he was driving, 266 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:01.559 an ultimately led to his arrest. 267 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.320 It was interesting too. You include a famous criminal profile 268 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.799 from the FBI, Robert K. Wrestler, and you include and 269 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.639 this has happened before where he provides a profile and 270 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:19.960 you say this thing was useless, but inadvertently it led 271 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:26.120 to another murder being connected. Can you explain that interesting story? 272 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:29.720 Yeah, wrestlers, And again, you know, a lot of times 273 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.200 you don't have a lot to work with. Generally they 274 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.600 like to have at least three serial cases because then 275 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.720 you have enough information to provide a more accurate profile. 276 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.399 But in the case of the Jebbert, he was working 277 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.480 off the first case only, and he was way off 278 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:48.759 on some things, like he believed that Danny Joe Everley, 279 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:50.919 the first victim, had been kept for a while by 280 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:55.879 his killer, which wasn't true. We hadn't found the task 281 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:58.159 force hadn't found his body yet. What's the only reason 282 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.960 why the body hadn't turned up. But Wrestler's profile was 283 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:07.759 pretty much not helpful at all, so general and generic 284 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.759 to the point of being useless. But he came back 285 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.200 and revised it when Walden was taken and it was 286 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.640 a little more accurate, but still didn't play a big 287 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.599 role in the case. The role the case was solved 288 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:24.079 by Pat Thomas and Wrestler, though he studies all this 289 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:27.440 stuff because he's trying to perfect his craft. And then 290 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:31.720 the process of studying the Jewbert case, because of the 291 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.839 two killings in Omaha, he realized he was talking to 292 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.680 a group of National Academy cops at the FBI Academy 293 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:43.079 in Quantico and he mentioned the cases in Omaha the specifics. 294 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:46.680 An officer there was from Maine and he said, you know, 295 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:49.759 I've got a case that sounds just like this case. 296 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:51.960 And they started looking into it, and sure enough, that 297 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.839 was Hubert's first kill when he was a juvenile, sixteen 298 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:59.880 seventeen year old kid in Maine. 299 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:05.799 Incredible, and you provide that whole background to his development 300 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:12.759 and evolution as this eventual serial rapist killer. 301 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.519 It was significant about the Jewbird is that the sexual 302 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.680 aspects of his crime were more involved with the sadistic 303 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:29.319 the torture. They call it peaker is, and the stabbing, 304 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:32.880 biting is also a form of peaker ism. It's a 305 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:38.000 sexual aspect, the masochistic or sadistic torturing of the victim 306 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:45.759 for the pleasure of the of the murder. Neither Dan 307 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:50.160 Angel Everley or Christopher Walden had been sexually assaulted in 308 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.559 an obvious way, but the peaker isn't. The bite and 309 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.839 the stabbing and things like that indicated that it was 310 00:18:55.880 --> 00:19:00.160 a sexual crime. And so that was significant because to 311 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.759 a layman or a cop that doesn't have a lot 312 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:05.880 of experience or hasn't been tough training, you would look 313 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:08.000 at that saying, well, this guy just likes to stab 314 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.279 kids or he likes to bite people. I don't see 315 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.599 a sexual aspect to it. When peagarism is a sexual 316 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:17.359 sadist's way of inflicting torture and pain and suffering on 317 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:17.960 a victim. 318 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:24.359 Yes, absolutely it's You write that he had the death 319 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:27.799 penalty imposed and he was executed in July nineteen ninety six, 320 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:32.279 and Sheriff Pat Thomas died in two thousand and ten 321 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:34.880 at seventy years old, and he had retired at sixty five. 322 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.839 Let's talk about a case where you earned your first 323 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:44.559 award for rape investigation, and that's the Earl LaBelle case. 324 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.279 You call it a hot prowler rapist. Can you tell 325 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.759 us what hot prowler refers. 326 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:56.720 To that problem case? Either rapist or burglary refers to 327 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.079 the fact that the burglar or the rapist likes to 328 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.319 go into a house while people are sleeping. It's considered 329 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:06.440 hot prowling because he picks a house specifically because he 330 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:08.960 knows there's going to be people inside. In the case 331 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.319 of rapists, a lot of times it's a sexual turn 332 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:13.440 on to be able to skulk around inside and in 333 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:16.519 the dark as people are sleeping, as are slumbering. In 334 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:22.240 the case of Earl LaBelle, one case in particular, where 335 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:24.599 the victim woke up, the victim's husband woke up when 336 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:28.480 he was standing next to the bed on his wife's side. 337 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:32.039 She normally doesn't remember her dreams or didn't remember her dreams, 338 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:35.079 but that day when she was awoke in or woke 339 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:38.119 up abruptly because her husband yelled as a man in here, 340 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:41.480 she remembers that dreaming as somebody is standing next to 341 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:45.799 her with his hands near her face. So Earl La 342 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:48.920 Belle was sneaking around in the dark looking for things 343 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.160 to steal and also for victims to rape if he 344 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:56.200 stumbled upon a vulnerable woman, and in the process he 345 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.559 was considered a hot burglar slash rapist. But it was 346 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.759 an interesting case in the standpoint that patrol deputy actually 347 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:08.160 made the case for me, because I had received the 348 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.519 information that they had a hot prowl case down there, 349 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.799 and I knew that sometimes hot prowl burglars also indulged 350 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:17.160 in rapes, and I knew that neighboring jurisdictions down there 351 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.119 had some rapes, but I didn't have a rape case 352 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:24.000 in my jurisdiction at the time. Subsequently, a couple of 353 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:26.839 weeks later, I had my first rate picked him and 354 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.880 themo was the same. A woman had gone to bed 355 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:32.599 at ten eleven o'clock at night. She was a very 356 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.960 light sleeper, her daughter was visiting from out of town. 357 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.839 She left the front door unlocked, and the squirrel of 358 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.519 bell was an experienced burglar. He'd been arrested at the 359 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:44.559 juvenile so he knew that if he carried burglar tools 360 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:47.119 to pry into a building, he could get arrested just 361 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.200 by having those in this possession. Plus they could be 362 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:51.599 matched up to tool marks on the door that he 363 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.960 pried or whatever. So he knew in a big apartment complex, 364 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:56.880 a lot of people just forget to lock their doors, 365 00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:59.559 and they don't lock him at night. In the area 366 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:02.519 that he was howling was a fairly relatively crying free area, 367 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:05.720 so people were nonchalant about locking their doors. Well, in 368 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:08.079 this case, the woman's daughter was visiting. She didn't have 369 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:12.119 a key, so she left her front door unlocked sometime 370 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.240 in the middle of the night. Then one thirty two 371 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:18.160 o'clock in the morning, she hears the door open light sleeper. 372 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:21.400 She wakes up. She yells out to her daughter, doesn't 373 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:23.839 get a response, and so she thinks, okay, she didn't 374 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:26.279 hear me. She yells out louder. Well, then suddenly she's 375 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.200 starting to get scared because her daughter's not responding. And 376 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:34.000 suddenly she sees a shadow moving down the hallway towards 377 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.720 her bedroom, and the shadow's illuminated by the only light 378 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:40.839 that's on in the apartment in her hallway. Well, she 379 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.160 panics because she can't go any where. She's in bed, 380 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:47.559 she's trapped. Suddenly, he appears in the doorway with a 381 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:52.319 bandana over his face, jumps her in bed, flips her over, 382 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:54.799 and puts a pillow over head, and starts punching her 383 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:56.960 through the pillow and basically beating her up. He was 384 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:01.680 a angry retaliatory, a tag rapist that he was picking 385 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:05.000 on females and using them as a surrogate victim for 386 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:07.559 perceived wrongs that he had suffered at the hands of 387 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:10.240 another woman, maybe a boss or girlfriend, mother, whoever. 388 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:10.480 You know. 389 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:15.559 You don't know the specifics. But Pete her pretty good. 390 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:20.039 And then the process, she was an excellent witness. I 391 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:22.720 don't know how these people do with these victims. Without 392 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:24.839 victims like that, I would never be able to make 393 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:28.160 a case. But she noticed that he's wearing these weird gloves. 394 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:32.839 They were like a fish net. And he's an experienced burglers, 395 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.119 so he knows not to leave fingerprints. Well, she said, look, 396 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:39.079 I've got money in my book, my paperback book next 397 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:41.119 to the bedstand. There's money in my purses. Take what 398 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.240 you want, please don't hurt me in the process. Then 399 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:46.279 he reaches over for the book and he can't get 400 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:49.160 the pages come through to find the two twenty dollars 401 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.599