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Speaker 3: I'm Cole Connor and I'm Adam Ramsey. This is where
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Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody. I'm Cole Connor, I'm Adam Ramsey. Welcome
Speaker 3: back to Sorry for Asking. We're sorry, We're sorry, We're sorry.
Speaker 3: We're sorry for this. Our tenth episode of season four.
Speaker 1: So exciting it is. We're killing it. This is great.
Speaker 2: I think it's our best season yet.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it so far.
Speaker 3: I think so far we've had only performers this season
Speaker 3: as our guests. Yes, performers and internet sluts.
Speaker 2: No, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that too.
Speaker 3: I still do want to I have an idea for
Speaker 3: a health segment, but but I but we haven't gotten
Speaker 3: there yet. So in the meantime, we're just going to
Speaker 3: do this string of beautiful queer performers and today we
Speaker 3: have one of my favorite people in the world. I'm
Speaker 3: so excited to have my Judy with the Big Booty.
Speaker 3: Please welcome Judas King. Hi, welcome. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for doing this. I feel like, Okay, So my relationship
Speaker 3: with Judas started at Hot Dog and now I call
Speaker 3: her my daughter. I'm so proud we do. We have
Speaker 3: a lot of fun at Hot Dog. We've created a
Speaker 3: really beautiful thing there which I'll get to But I'm
Speaker 3: excited to have you on here because I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask questions that I haven't been able to
Speaker 3: ask you and just our social experience together.
Speaker 2: Because you're his employer.
Speaker 3: Well it's not. I mean, I wouldn't say I'm his employees,
Speaker 3: but I can ask. I do hire him for fun stuff.
Speaker 3: We you know, he dances for me at gym class,
Speaker 3: at High Tops, he dances for me and Mario at
Speaker 3: Hot Dog, and we have sort of accidentally created this
Speaker 3: really beautiful after party experience at acbar where we go
Speaker 3: and it's just been really fun. But I also have
Speaker 3: seen you on the go go for the Gold Show
Speaker 3: where you kind of talk a little bit about your
Speaker 3: past experience, and I just want to know your background,
Speaker 3: and like kind of what got you in this industry?
Speaker 3: Let's start with first of all, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: How's your days? How's life these.
Speaker 1: Days considering the world presently? Yeah, but life is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything's great.
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 1: Okay, good?
Speaker 2: May I call you Judith.
Speaker 1: Judas Judith As not get it wrong? I'll get it.
Speaker 3: Well from what I remember on the Go Go for
Speaker 3: the Gold Show, you talk about a very unique family experience.
Speaker 3: Can we hear a little bit about your upbringing and
Speaker 3: how that all went down?
Speaker 1: So I was raised Mormon, Okay, and I was also adopted,
Speaker 1: So I was raised in a predominantly white community. On
Speaker 1: top of that, whereabouts Paradise, California, if you've if you've
Speaker 1: heard of it, that's northern California, California. It burnt down
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and the camp fire fire, Wow, didn't
Speaker 1: make it at all. Not a lot of people move
Speaker 1: back either, because it was just kind of like a
Speaker 1: recurring thing in northern California, because like you know, the
Speaker 1: four supposed to burn down and then be rejuvenated from
Speaker 1: everything that's burnt down, but this one was just not
Speaker 1: a natural fire to begin with. So what does that mean?
Speaker 1: A PGE generator blew up. Oh shit, yeah, and the
Speaker 1: sparks hopped the valley to the town, so half the
Speaker 1: town was on fire before they could even evacuate anyone.
Speaker 3: So is it just a dead town now or No?
Speaker 3: I haven't really like looked your family's not there.
Speaker 1: No, No, but like my dad was the mayor of
Speaker 1: the town, so like the previous yeah, the mayor that
Speaker 1: like when it happened, called him and was like what
Speaker 1: do we do? And he's like, you're the mayor, Like
Speaker 1: you need to know what do in these circumstances. Damn. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's also an insurance worker and he ensured half
Speaker 1: the town as well, so we our family felt it
Speaker 1: in like business wise. Yeah, damn.
Speaker 4: Where were you in your life that, like how old
Speaker 4: were you and what were you doing?
Speaker 1: I was sure I don't even know how old I was.
Speaker 1: I know I was living in Austin, Texas when this
Speaker 1: was happening, because I remember just being in my apartment
Speaker 1: texting all my friends and seeing if they were able
Speaker 1: to get out and getting videos of them escaping this fire,
Speaker 1: and it's just unreal. I still have some of the
Speaker 1: videos on my phone and it looks like a video game.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even look real. Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, tragedy aside, What was it like growing up
Speaker 3: in this kind of family situation in a place like Paradise, California.
Speaker 1: I didn't know any better.
Speaker 3: I was so bubbled, okay in a good way. Like
Speaker 3: was it a good experience a bad experience?
Speaker 1: I think kind of both. I didn't realize the bad
Speaker 1: things until I kind of got outside of it and
Speaker 1: learned more about the world. Okay. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: really like learn like what it was to be an
Speaker 1: African American man until about like my college years. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't really learn about that. You know, I was
Speaker 1: like the token black guy.
Speaker 3: Were you the only person of color in your family?
Speaker 3: Or were there other adopts?
Speaker 1: Technically yes, we found out later that there was like
Speaker 1: relatives that were also African American, but that wasn't until
Speaker 1: like my adult years.
Speaker 4: So what was like your your first exposure to African
Speaker 4: American culture that you were like, oh my god, I've
Speaker 4: been missing this.
Speaker 1: I think music. Honestly, the first time I heard Rihanna
Speaker 1: was like I was like high school, you know, like
Speaker 1: I just wasn't exposed to any of that music because
Speaker 1: of the Mormon culture, you know it was not allowed. No,
Speaker 1: you can't listen to bad music, you can't watch Arra
Speaker 1: did movies. You can't drink coffee. It's just so many.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, none of these rules fucking makes sense.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well you had like a lot of siblings though,
Speaker 3: didn't you?
Speaker 1: So being adopted, I had, like on my adoptive family side,
Speaker 1: I had two older sisters, but they were twelve thirteen
Speaker 1: years older than me by the time I grew up.
Speaker 1: They were already in college. Okay, basically so. And then
Speaker 1: my biological side, I do have two younger sisters, a
Speaker 1: younger brother, then twins. Oh wow, I didn't know all
Speaker 1: of them. My grandmother was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh I see. I was meaning, like from your adoptive
Speaker 3: parents like that, if I thought you had like this
Speaker 3: big family.
Speaker 1: Two older sisters, gotcha? Okay?
Speaker 3: All right? And was it a difficult thing coming into
Speaker 3: your sexuality? Like how do you identify? And how soon
Speaker 3: did that start?
Speaker 1: So I identify as pan sexual okay nowadays, But it
Speaker 1: wasn't easy because I knew I was different from kindergarten,
Speaker 1: you know, I felt differently. I knew I was attracted
Speaker 1: to boys, but I didn't underst and what it was
Speaker 1: or what it was called. You know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what gay was. I didn't know what homosexual was. I
Speaker 1: wasn't exposed to any of that when I was younger.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really until I was like eighth grade, you know,
Speaker 1: and I acted feminine and I talked feminine, and people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you're gay, you're gay, you're gay, you're
Speaker 1: a fact, you're this or that, and it's like, what
Speaker 1: is what is that shit? Like, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: What was it said in like an oppressive kind of
Speaker 3: bullying way or but I.
Speaker 1: Was like, you know, I was like ha ha, yeah right, sure, no,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. Yeah. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: really until high school and I was like, okay, I'm different,
Speaker 1: you know because even growing up my skin color, I
Speaker 1: didn't really realize it. None of my friends really like
Speaker 1: talked about it. No one really said, oh, you're a
Speaker 1: black person, you're different. It was just like that was
Speaker 1: just another white kid. It felt like almost you know.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until high school that people were calling me,
Speaker 1: you know, a cotton picker, N word this. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was getting called so many names when I was in
Speaker 1: high school and I was being called the token black guy.
Speaker 2: And you like, didn't I.
Speaker 1: Didn't understand it. It didn't register. I yeah, fucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just was not educated.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I'm like, what do you think about
Speaker 4: like white families that adopt an African American child and
Speaker 4: have no tools to teach them about the culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, best belief. I've talked to my parents about
Speaker 1: this too, because you know, growing up, they didn't know
Speaker 1: how to take care of a black child that was
Speaker 1: crusty and dusty and like I had horrible danger of
Speaker 1: growing up. My skin was horrible, I got eggs up
Speaker 1: because they never lotioned me. They never knew how to
Speaker 1: take care of my hair. And I remember going back
Speaker 1: to them as an adult and being like, y'all fucked
Speaker 1: me up physically because y'all didn't know how to take
Speaker 1: care of me. So now I have, I mean, now
Speaker 1: I'm great. I know how to take care of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I was like I told him, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know that a rough patch that we had with
Speaker 1: my hair and my skin and all that shit, I
Speaker 1: was like, that was because of y'all. Y'all didn't know
Speaker 1: how to take care of.
Speaker 3: Me or to ask someone to have.
Speaker 1: Or anyone literally. So yeah, my parents just didn't have
Speaker 1: the tools to know how to raise a black child.
Speaker 1: Granted I was raised very well, I will say that,
Speaker 1: better than my because my parents didn't have like a
Speaker 1: lot of money when they were going up, so they
Speaker 1: didn't really get a lot of the shit that they wanted.
Speaker 1: What I grew up, I got everything because my parents
Speaker 1: wanted a son. They didn't they wanted girl too, but
Speaker 1: they wanted a son mainly. So when they adopted me,
Speaker 1: they gave me the world, you know, but they didn't
Speaker 1: give me like the necessary things that I needed to
Speaker 1: succeed as a African American man in the world.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I mean the fact that they adopted a
Speaker 3: black boy instead of a white boy if they wanted
Speaker 3: a son like that, to me says something, you know interesting.
Speaker 1: I also think it kind of Thankfully my birth mother
Speaker 1: wasn't too kind of like out of her head yet
Speaker 1: she wanted her first child to go to a Mormon family. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because she knew that, you know, Mormons have a very
Speaker 1: like family based religion, so she knew that I would
Speaker 1: be taken care of how old were you when you
Speaker 1: were adopted to ride out the pussy? Okay, I popped out.
Speaker 1: My parents were like, yeah, we'll take that please.
Speaker 3: I mean, I want to get into a little bit
Speaker 3: of like, you know, you're or you know, your foray
Speaker 3: into the industry of being a you know, a public slut.
Speaker 3: But I mean the thing is, like, you know, in
Speaker 3: the time that I've known you, you display such a
Speaker 3: confidence and that is an entire entirely congruent with somebody
Speaker 3: who grew up the way that you did and was
Speaker 3: othered in such formative years. So how do you think
Speaker 3: you acquired that? You know, when you were being bullied
Speaker 3: by people in high school and like realizing you were different,
Speaker 3: being called all these names? What did it take to
Speaker 3: get to this kind of confidence?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and here's you've seen me in confrontation and how
Speaker 1: I act. That started very young, and it started kind
Speaker 1: of not aggressively. I was very shy. I was very like,
Speaker 1: not socially awkward, but kind of like I didn't like
Speaker 1: social situations with people that I didn't know, and especially
Speaker 1: like confrontation. I wasn't good with confrontation at all. You know,
Speaker 1: when I first started working, like it would be so
Speaker 1: awkward having to talk to people because I just didn't
Speaker 1: know what to say to new people. You know. It
Speaker 1: was just super awkward for me, and I I think,
Speaker 1: go going and I started stripping. It really kind of
Speaker 1: helped me get out of my box and realized everyone
Speaker 1: doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. Everyone's scared, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's everyone's scared. Everyone's like, you know, embarrassed
Speaker 1: with their body. And it was a tiny click, but
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I don't need to be terrified
Speaker 1: and scared because everyone's the same thing, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And at some point I turned around and I looked
Speaker 1: at myself and I was like, I'm taking too much
Speaker 1: bullshit from people. I have to stop. So I went
Speaker 1: really hard on the other side of the circle and
Speaker 1: just was like being a bitch to everyone and just
Speaker 1: saying whatever the fuck I wanted, and people kind of
Speaker 1: like liked it, you know, And so it really just
Speaker 1: didn't stop. And as I grew older, I kind of
Speaker 1: it watered down into who I am today, you know. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that is kind of I think why I am
Speaker 1: a little callous and rude sometimes to people, because it's
Speaker 1: just kind of how I grew up and even in
Speaker 1: my family, you know, we talked shit about each other.
Speaker 3: You never struck me as rude. You you strike me
Speaker 3: as blunt. You say what's on your mind, You're quick
Speaker 3: to say it. You're funny as hell, Like do you
Speaker 3: like roast your friends?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: That's how we so good?
Speaker 4: I was like I was, I saw I saw something
Speaker 4: that was. I read something that was like, people who
Speaker 4: give their friends a hard time, like in a joking way,
Speaker 4: are three hundred percent more likely to be honest.
Speaker 1: It's a completely better friends trip.
Speaker 3: Yeah truly, When so you said you it took also
Speaker 3: getting into stripping? When did that start? When did you?
Speaker 3: How did you even have an opportunity?
Speaker 1: So I tried to do the college thing. I went
Speaker 1: to college. My parents, you know, paid for it because
Speaker 1: I fully just have an education. Utah oriham young. No,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get in there because I had tattoos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't like students around. I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1: There's so many rules. I think it's it's like tattoos
Speaker 1: you have, you can't have facial hair, and it's like
Speaker 1: all these stupid rules. I went to UVU. You valued university,
Speaker 1: and I was not a BookSmart kid. I'll say that
Speaker 1: I did not do good in school. I have ADHD,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't pay attention to anything or anyone. So
Speaker 1: I barely graduated high school with CES. And the only
Speaker 1: college I could get into was a not a university
Speaker 1: but a local community college basically. But UVU was turning
Speaker 1: from that to a university to a four year college,
Speaker 1: so they needed more students, so they were just taking anyone.
Speaker 1: So I got in, you know, but I dropped out
Speaker 1: after seven months. It just wasn't for me. And it
Speaker 1: was college life. I could do whatever I wanted. I
Speaker 1: didn't have my parents anymore, you know, I was out
Speaker 1: of the Mormon life, out of the Mormon life. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I dropped out after seven months and just kind of
Speaker 1: like did my own thing. Was this in Salt Lake?
Speaker 1: This was an orm provo area. Oh yeah, so about
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes from Salt Lakecha. I went for a
Speaker 1: musical theater. I was a musical theater.
Speaker 3: Gay.
Speaker 1: I grew up doing musical theater and thought that's what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. And I went to college and
Speaker 1: it was all general education.
Speaker 2: What shows were you then?
Speaker 1: Oh god, I was and wasn't I. Oh god, I
Speaker 1: was in the color Purple. I was in Once on
Speaker 1: This Island, Oliver Twist. You acted in these shows? Or
Speaker 1: because because I know you're a really good piano player. Well, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Wow, I don't think you've ever seen me
Speaker 1: act in anything I have, I haven't.
Speaker 3: I'm clearly this means you sing. I don't think i've
Speaker 3: ever heard you sing. I've seen you play piano in
Speaker 3: your videos. You're very very good.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. I had no idea, See, I knew it.
Speaker 3: I was gonna like appeal layers, yes, little layers. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: So you were doing musical theater after like and then
Speaker 3: you dropped out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I wasn't doing anything. I know, I was
Speaker 1: taking two credits for a musical theater class and I
Speaker 1: was learning nothing. I didn't wasn't retaining anything, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I met other musical theater people and they
Speaker 1: were telling me of like groups outside of it that
Speaker 1: would perform and make money. And so I joined one
Speaker 1: of the musical theater groups outside and they would always
Speaker 1: perform at they called the Grand Theater out in Salt Lake,
Speaker 1: which was a beautiful like gorgeous theater, huge theater.
Speaker 2: What were they performing like improv or.
Speaker 1: No, like actual actual shows. Yeah. So that's where I
Speaker 1: did once on This Island Fame and one other one
Speaker 1: for them. But I just started working with them and
Speaker 1: making money off of it. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can do this. But at the same time, my
Speaker 1: parents were like, we want you to have an education,
Speaker 1: please go back to college. I was like, okay, i'll
Speaker 1: do it again, but you're paying for it again because
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go to school. It's not for me, y'all know, it's
Speaker 1: not for me. Y'all just want me to look good
Speaker 1: when you, you know, brag about me to your friends.
Speaker 1: So I went back to college for massage therapy school,
Speaker 1: which was only a eight month program, but I ended
Speaker 1: up not passing because I failed two classes and it
Speaker 1: would have had to cost more money to go back
Speaker 1: and retake the classes. But during that time I got
Speaker 1: a clientele, a private clientele of sugar daddies and older
Speaker 1: men and married Mormon men. Wow. So that was kind
Speaker 1: of my like knee into the doorway for escorting and
Speaker 1: it started from there. I got sugar Daddy's how do
Speaker 1: you even find them? They found me and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, there was Craigslist.
Speaker 3: There, there's Backpage, there's Grinder.
Speaker 1: Okay, it was I am surprised.
Speaker 2: This is like what year this was?
Speaker 1: How old were you.
Speaker 2: Because Grinder was like.
Speaker 3: Grinder started, I want to say, like in two thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was maybe, Yeah, that was more. That was
Speaker 1: more later in my career, but I usually I mostly
Speaker 1: used Backpage and Craigslist to find my clientele.
Speaker 3: All right, Tony, can you pop up that photo? I
Speaker 3: got to see this person? This was this was the
Speaker 3: like look at this, Sugar Daddy king?
Speaker 1: Is this? Where is this when that era started? So
Speaker 1: if you look in the bottom left, it says guys
Speaker 1: in sweatpa, Oh, this is the birth of my porn career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how you're like nineteen, I'm like nineteen twenty. So
Speaker 3: had you already been doing the sugar Daddy thing by
Speaker 3: this point?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Actually, I'm probably twenty twenty one. I think I'm
Speaker 1: I've moved to Portland by this point. Okay in my life,
Speaker 1: because that's when I started stripping and one of the
Speaker 1: strippers told me how to get into porn.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, wow, you've been at this a long time and.
Speaker 1: It's a long time decade.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I always forget that.
Speaker 4: It's like you didn't just start doing OnlyFans and then
Speaker 4: and posting stuff on Twitter and then studios started asking
Speaker 4: you to do stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So give me in steps the timeline of
Speaker 3: like how you started in the sex industry. So you
Speaker 3: started with sugar Daddy.
Speaker 1: Sugar Daddy then went into escorting, yes, and then escorting
Speaker 1: and then stripping, and then stripping and then studio porn
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then Go Going because Go Going stripping
Speaker 1: obviously are completely different. Yeah, but yeah, that was basically
Speaker 1: where did you strip? Portland, Orgon That's one of the
Speaker 1: only states that you can get naked in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was completely naked. Yn't have to like still
Speaker 4: wear socks or something.
Speaker 1: You can get dick out, hole out everything, lap dances,
Speaker 1: they were like, suck make money.
Speaker 3: It's weird that Oregon, Oregon is like where yeah progressive, Well,
Speaker 3: only Portland is progressive. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 3: the rest of Oregon is kind of.
Speaker 1: Everything else is like kind of basically or that yeah Matthews, Yeah,
Speaker 1: or homeless people.
Speaker 3: It's really Yeah, it's very strange. Yeah, so is Portland
Speaker 3: and Austin the only other places you've lived aside from
Speaker 3: La No?
Speaker 1: Oh no, so oh gosh, Okay, let me try to
Speaker 1: do this in timeline, in chronological order. Let's see. Okay,
Speaker 1: So from California, I went to Utah. Yeah. From Utah,
Speaker 1: I went to Portland. From Portland, I went to Washington.
Speaker 1: From Washington, Washington d C, Washington State, Wing State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then went back to Portland. Then from Portland, I
Speaker 1: went to Florida. What Yeah, And then Florida to Texas
Speaker 1: and then Texas to back to California to La. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I went out and travel a little bit,
Speaker 1: not need to, and on a sugar daddy's coin, I
Speaker 1: will say, I just wanted to experience, you know, more
Speaker 1: than what I was experiencing in Utah. That is impressive,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: Like like, I mean, it takes a skill to have
Speaker 3: multiple schmid daddies. Did they know about each other?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I mean I feel like most I feel like most
Speaker 4: of the younger guys that have sugar daddies have multiple
Speaker 4: sugar daddies.
Speaker 3: I guess, so damn I missing. Yeah, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: I guess I wasn't interested when I was still young
Speaker 4: enough to pull it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And that was the thing. I was
Speaker 1: young enough to pull it off.
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't start this stuff until I was
Speaker 3: in my thirties, so like it was just it was
Speaker 3: a little I was a little late, a little So
Speaker 3: which of these industries would you say is your favorite?
Speaker 1: I mean they all have their ups and downs. You know,
Speaker 1: I do like porn.
Speaker 2: What are some annoying things about porn?
Speaker 1: God? Just like the the stigmas, I guess. You know
Speaker 1: when people are like, oh, what do you do for work?
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I do porn. They're like, oh, little Jadgie, Okay,
Speaker 1: well what do you want to do for a real job?
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is my real this is a real job.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for ten years, living off it successfully.
Speaker 1: You know. I remember the last day I worked at
Speaker 1: a real job, a real job. What was it? Nike?
Speaker 3: Like at a store?
Speaker 1: Yes. I was part of their visual team, which was fun,
Speaker 1: but our manager was real gay and real horny.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, and you're like, you're not a sugar dad,
Speaker 1: you're Nike. Yeah. Yeah. He hit me up a grinder
Speaker 1: and everything else you're doing too much.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a question we like to ask on
Speaker 3: this podcast because you know, we do talk about porn
Speaker 3: a lot, and obviously you started that pretty early, but
Speaker 3: you know, you grew up kind of sheltered. What was
Speaker 3: your exposure to porn? Like growing up, what was the
Speaker 3: first time you saw it? When was the first time
Speaker 3: you were like, oh, this is something I want to do.
Speaker 1: So I was a very horny kid because obviously I.
Speaker 3: Was a shocker.
Speaker 1: I was just so bubbled, and they didn't teach us anything,
Speaker 1: you know, masturbation was bad, don't have sext marriage like,
Speaker 1: so I was trying to understand my feelings. So of
Speaker 1: course I went to the internet because that was the
Speaker 1: new thing, you know, And I didn't know that you
Speaker 1: had to delete your search history because again, stupid Mormon kid.
Speaker 1: And I was right, literally, So I looked up all
Speaker 1: this stuff on the internet. And my dad caught me
Speaker 1: because it was new for them too, so they were
Speaker 1: very protective and they put locks on it. And he
Speaker 1: went through my history and he printed out all of
Speaker 1: the pages of my history. Oh god, yeah, and came
Speaker 1: into my room one day and he's like, do you
Speaker 1: have a problem. We need to fix it. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to tell your mom.
Speaker 3: What kind of porn was it that you were you
Speaker 3: were finding and enjoying.
Speaker 1: I think I was looking up because there were like
Speaker 1: restrictions on it, so I was trying to get around it,
Speaker 1: so I would look up like guys wrestling, naked guys wrestling, guys.
Speaker 3: Wrestling, you know, So it was mostly gay stuff, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah? Yeah, and that put me into therapy, which
Speaker 1: didn't work, you know, obviously.
Speaker 4: Do you think he would have acted different if it
Speaker 4: was like girls you were looking out?
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh really yes? And I brought this up to
Speaker 1: them multiple times too, because I remember the first time
Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend too, and I was like they
Speaker 1: were They were pissed about it. My dad was like,
Speaker 1: you need to break up with him right now, like
Speaker 1: this isn't you know what we want for you? This
Speaker 1: isn't you And I'm like, you don't know me. First
Speaker 1: of all, if this was a girl, it'd be very different,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I did get a girlfriend and
Speaker 1: they didn't like her either. I was like, what do
Speaker 1: you want from me? You know, like I tried to
Speaker 1: bring her around. I changed my phone background picture to
Speaker 1: her and they literally went to my phone and changed
Speaker 1: my phone background picture to a family picture instead of her.
Speaker 3: I was like, why are parents so weird? Sometimes that's
Speaker 3: so weird?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, do you have much of a relationship with
Speaker 1: them now? Yes? You do? Yes, Because there was a
Speaker 1: turning point where I said, y'all adopted me, y'all paid
Speaker 1: for me. Y'all get what you get, and if you
Speaker 1: don't like it, then you won't have a son anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And is this where your bluntness?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And I said I am a gay
Speaker 1: man and you need to get the fuck over it right,
Speaker 1: and they did. You know, it took a little while,
Speaker 1: but I hate to say it, but the church they
Speaker 1: served a mission, actually an as an older couple, because
Speaker 1: you can serve a mission when you get older as
Speaker 1: a married couple. And they do more stuff, and they
Speaker 1: got exposed more to gay not gay culture, but gay
Speaker 1: people because they got to me a lot of different
Speaker 1: gay people and different religions, and so their minds were
Speaker 1: a little bit more opened after that. But it took
Speaker 1: him a quick minute for them to be like, this
Speaker 1: is my son. He has a boyfriend, or this is
Speaker 1: my son, you know he does porn or you know,
Speaker 1: it took him a while for them to get to
Speaker 1: that point, but I'm they know everything now. I'm completely
Speaker 1: honest with them. Yeah, you know, I talked to him frequently.
Speaker 1: It's nice.
Speaker 2: Well, kudos to them for getting there. Yeah right, it
Speaker 2: took a while, but it's the destination.
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Speaker 3: porn you were finding. And then when when did you
Speaker 3: get the opportunity to like start?
Speaker 1: So the crazy thing was when I first started because
Speaker 1: my friend from the strip club told me that he
Speaker 1: was doing porn and I was like, okay, well what
Speaker 1: studios can I get into? And he's like, well, get
Speaker 1: a manager maybe first, and I was like, oh, oh, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So I found a manager and he sent my pictures out.
Speaker 1: So I think like ten different porn companies and none
Speaker 1: of them wanted me because I was either too light,
Speaker 1: too dark, too tatted, too many piercings to this and
Speaker 1: there was just so many things. Too skinny because I
Speaker 1: was really skinny. If you saw that in that photo,
Speaker 1: you don't have any tattoos? Did you have him one
Speaker 1: of my arm and I had won on my wrist
Speaker 1: by then, So yeah, it took it took a quick minute.
Speaker 2: How did you find the manager through my friend?
Speaker 1: He had the same manager.
Speaker 2: Yeah around now.
Speaker 1: So I don't know it was something Frost. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know Nick Fro. I don't know there is.
Speaker 4: A Nick Frost model it's it's in icy frost. That
Speaker 4: is hot.
Speaker 1: I know there's an M frost, but Emma frost. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, eventually guys in sweatpants, that was your first? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my first.
Speaker 3: How was that experience great?
Speaker 1: Honestly? Yeah, it was my first. Yeah. I fucked Austin
Speaker 1: Wilde because at that point I wasn't really like a bottom,
Speaker 1: like I topped him. I didn't even know he bought him, right,
Speaker 1: But okay, here's the thing. Oh, here's the thing. Because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not hung by any means I do have,
Speaker 1: you know, average boyfriend dick. So I was like, why
Speaker 1: do you want me to top you? I've seen your porn,
Speaker 1: you know you're the top. But I told him, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not a bottom. I love to top somebody else
Speaker 1: if you can't bottom. And I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can say this. Actually we faked it. Oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: say we You faked it?
Speaker 2: What it's no penetration, No penetration. Wow.
Speaker 1: It happened for a little bit, but then he just
Speaker 1: couldn't he didn't want to do it, or I guess
Speaker 1: he couldn't take it or something, and then we just
Speaker 1: faked it for the rest of the scene. Huh yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: So then how many scenes did you do with guys
Speaker 3: in sweatplants? And then where'd you go after that?
Speaker 1: I did maybe six scenes altogether. And it's funny. He
Speaker 1: actually asked me back this year, but I didn't have
Speaker 1: an idea at the time, so I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: go out. Wow, yeah, do you still do studio porn?
Speaker 1: I mean I told him yes, but again, like I
Speaker 1: didn't have an id so he said he'd bring me back,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if he will. He hasn't texted
Speaker 1: me back yet, but I'll probably hit him up. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like we don't have like a weird relationship or anything.
Speaker 1: Like we're very like, you know, friendly towards each other.
Speaker 1: Is that the only studio you've ever worked with? Yeah? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because after that, I was like, I don't really want
Speaker 1: to fuck with anyone else if they didn't want me.
Speaker 1: And then during that time, during the end of that period,
Speaker 1: OnlyFans was coming out, yeah, you know, and they were
Speaker 1: having all these rules and regulations, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to make my money off OnlyFans and not
Speaker 1: give y'all, you know, my image to make off for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life, you know.
Speaker 2: And after you're dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally after him dead specifically. So you started the
Speaker 3: only fans thing kind of early.
Speaker 1: Very early, like right when they started, Like I remember
Speaker 1: videos having to take like hours up load. They're be
Speaker 1: maintenance every day. You know. They didn't have any rules
Speaker 1: or regulations about the ID checks or like the model check. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was there from day one.
Speaker 3: So what's your following been like in that trajectory and
Speaker 3: that timeline.
Speaker 1: It's been a roller coaster, okay. You know, as it is,
Speaker 1: there was a point where I was putting in the
Speaker 1: time and the energy and the effort, and I was
Speaker 1: making seven to eight thousand a month wow, just off
Speaker 1: of that. And then I was like, I'm doing way
Speaker 1: too much because then my go going career started taking off, okay,
Speaker 1: and so I started making more money off of that.
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like an influx of one
Speaker 1: being higher than the other like all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to have multiple revenue streams. Yeah, what
Speaker 4: kind of content do you like making for your pages?
Speaker 4: And can you tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: I'm actually excited about this topic because I have questions too.
Speaker 3: Fat boy content That's exactly what I was gonna ask about.
Speaker 3: I'm so curious about this. So is most of your videos. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he shoots with big boys.
Speaker 2: Now I know he just doesn't want to have the
Speaker 2: biggest ass in the room.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I want gods.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have the biggest ass in this room. Well,
Speaker 3: Judy with the big booty? People ask? Do you know
Speaker 3: how often we get asked.
Speaker 1: About your butt? Yes? Do you know how often I
Speaker 1: get ask But.
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot a lot.
Speaker 3: But as the people who hire you, we get asked
Speaker 3: constantly is that butt real?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: He was like, you want to He suggested that having
Speaker 4: you on, and I was like, looking at your Instagram, pitt, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, well, where's this face?
Speaker 1: Like where to be?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to clear a picture of his
Speaker 2: fucking face.
Speaker 3: That butt is wild?
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Does it make wearing pants difficult? Yes, okay, because I
Speaker 3: have such long legs.
Speaker 1: I wear I'm a size thirty, like thirty to thirty
Speaker 1: two depending on my weight at the moment, and then
Speaker 1: thirty two, so thirty two thirty two.
Speaker 3: But it's always probably tight around your butt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I always have to have a loose waste
Speaker 1: and a long leg. So I just wear baggy pants
Speaker 1: honestly and just let him sag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well then back to the question at hand.
Speaker 3: So have you always been into bigger guys?
Speaker 1: So fun facts. I used to bully fat boys, Okay,
Speaker 1: when I was growing up. All right, let's unpack this,
Speaker 1: we are because I already had I had the unfactor
Speaker 1: when I was I was coming up, I used to
Speaker 1: bully this one kid in middle school. His name was Nick.
Speaker 1: We called him fat Nick. And you know, I had
Speaker 1: my gaggle of girlfriends and we would just make fun
Speaker 1: of him for no reason. He didn't have a good
Speaker 1: family life, he stank all the time, he was grossly overweight,
Speaker 1: and just was super socially awkward, and we would just
Speaker 1: like make fun of this guy for no reason, for
Speaker 1: all the reasons. You know, even the teachers would get
Speaker 1: annoyed with him sometimes, Like and I think growing up
Speaker 1: and realizing I was queer, I think one day I
Speaker 1: was jerking off and he popped into my head and
Speaker 1: I was like what, And then I was like huh.
Speaker 1: And then I grew up and I met another thick
Speaker 1: guy that I was like, Okay, he's kind of cute,
Speaker 1: and we fooled around and I was like, I'm into this.
Speaker 1: Holy fuck, that's why I was bowling this guy. I
Speaker 1: was like, was I attracted this boy?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that was gonna be less. Before you continue,
Speaker 3: I do want to get back to fat Nick. Do
Speaker 3: you feel like, looking back on it, that is where
Speaker 3: this was coming from, and.
Speaker 1: Think, so, honestly, is that a guilt thing? Not even
Speaker 1: a guilt thing. I think it was just like attractedness
Speaker 1: because I'd always make fun of with the titties and
Speaker 1: his belly hanging over shorts, like we always call him
Speaker 1: fat at like we It was just things that I'm
Speaker 1: attracted to, and I say proudly that I'm attracted to now.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't be.
Speaker 1: I couldn't realize that, oh, I'm attracted to this because
Speaker 1: the social output was, Oh my god, all the girls
Speaker 1: think he's weird looking. I need to be the leader
Speaker 1: of this because I'm you know, so you.
Speaker 3: Had your first six experience sexually, Yeah, and you kind
Speaker 3: of realize pretty quickly, like this is something.
Speaker 1: That turns me on trying to do this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, it was being masked by a group think, yeah,
Speaker 4: and just.
Speaker 1: Like a horrible, horrible family mentality too, because my parents
Speaker 1: didn't like fatness either. They would make fun of my
Speaker 1: sisters all the time for being toothick.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad used to make fun of like he
Speaker 4: used to always say stuff about like ob people.
Speaker 3: Okay, So, continuing this line of questioning, as somebody who
Speaker 3: has developed a kind of rebellious nature, do you think
Speaker 3: it's possible that it was your family's kind of rejection
Speaker 3: of that body type that may have influenced your attraction
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: I think so. But the gag is, my dad used
Speaker 1: to be a fat guy took so I think visually
Speaker 1: that's just what I was attracted to because like my
Speaker 1: father figure was this big fat guy and like not
Speaker 1: big fat, but he was overweight enough that he was
Speaker 1: starting to have heart problems. And he has a seapower machine.
Speaker 1: You know, he had to get his stomach tied so
Speaker 1: he'd lose weight. And did he Yeah, he lost a
Speaker 1: lot of weight. See.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's why he was had had like
Speaker 3: a big hatred type as well, because he gives a
Speaker 3: little bit of self hatredlutely.
Speaker 1: And my mother, she was like a cheerleader growing up
Speaker 1: she's always been a thin woman, you know. And then
Speaker 1: once they had daughters who looked like him, He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: thunder thighs, wow, big Bertha, Like just horrible nicknames for
Speaker 1: my sisters. Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, I'm fascinating.
Speaker 2: Were a lot of your sugar daddy is OBEs.
Speaker 1: No, actually, but a lot of my like escorting clientele
Speaker 1: were bigger guys.
Speaker 4: Well, there's the difference between a sugar Like a sugar
Speaker 4: daddy just gives you money and you don't do anything.
Speaker 1: There's different types of sugar daddy. So I've had a
Speaker 1: couple of different types. I've had one where it was
Speaker 1: weekly and I would go weekly and he'd give me
Speaker 1: an allowance of I think it was like three thousand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he would like he would fuck me because like
Speaker 1: he had a whole family, and so he I'd come
Speaker 1: on Sunday when his family was at church. We'd fuck
Speaker 1: and he'd pay me and I'd be on my way.
Speaker 1: And that lasted for most of my time in Utah. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's how I paid for most of my stuff.
Speaker 2: And I didn't say a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I didn't save any of it, you know,
Speaker 1: I just spent it because I was young and dumb,
Speaker 1: and we had malls everywhere. But going back to your question, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot, not a lot of my sugar dice were fat,
Speaker 1: you know. But escorting, Yeah, got a lot of thick guys.
Speaker 3: But there's thick and there's obese.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, and I feel like I've seen content of yours
Speaker 3: that has veered in both directions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you give.
Speaker 3: Me a little like, do you like one over the other?
Speaker 1: Both have different attributes that I look for, okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And again it depends on the person, you know, being
Speaker 1: evolving into a pant sexual. I've realized, you know, I
Speaker 1: do appreciate the person more than the body. But body wise,
Speaker 1: I do look for like specific things, especially like in
Speaker 1: thicker guys. You know, I want them to have the
Speaker 1: big chest, the titties. I wanted to have the big gut.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have the muffin top, you know. I
Speaker 1: want them to have the really big thick tree trunk
Speaker 1: legs and thick ass. You know.
Speaker 3: So is most of your content with this body type?
Speaker 1: Yes? All of it? Not all of it? Like it? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So not like doing things with like athletic guys, No
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I just am not as attracted to athletic guys as
Speaker 1: much as I am thicker body guys. Yeah, because if
Speaker 1: you go on my only Fans, I do have stuff with, like,
Speaker 1: you know, my friends like Poppy and Han and other guys.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and you're like, no, thanks, twink, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not into it. Yeah, because I grew up as a twink.
Speaker 1: I didn't find my body type attractive at all.
Speaker 3: So you just had a little trip to the Just
Speaker 3: for Fans conference?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, yes?
Speaker 3: How is that first of all?
Speaker 1: Amazing? Yeah? You had a good time. Oh, I had
Speaker 1: so much fun.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, was most of the content you made with
Speaker 3: bigger body types or was it more with like what
Speaker 3: we know of is like the general.
Speaker 1: No. So, first of all, the Just for Fans thing,
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of bigger guys there begin with.
Speaker 1: And the first day we were working, so we were
Speaker 1: dancing at the pool party for most of the time,
Speaker 1: so we didn't really get to film because we were
Speaker 1: kind of tired from driving up and from the night
Speaker 1: before because we had both worked the night before as well.
Speaker 1: But there really just wasn't that many bigger guys. There
Speaker 1: was one bigger guy that I followed, and he had
Speaker 1: followed me and we told each other we were going
Speaker 1: to film, but we were just he was already so
Speaker 1: busy filming people. We got one one video of him
Speaker 1: flogging me, but that was that was it, and the
Speaker 1: rest of the time was with Poppy Maxidonis. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if you met our new friend Ace Savage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Savage is that so we kind of just like formed
Speaker 1: a pod and just like cute, did our own thing.
Speaker 1: But there just wasn't a lot of big guys to
Speaker 1: film with, and like the gag was too. I was gagged.
Speaker 1: They had a dark room every night and I went
Speaker 1: in there and there was this huge, chubby guy everything
Speaker 1: that I liked, and I was like, hey, hey, what's
Speaker 1: that You're cute. He's like thanks and walked away.
Speaker 3: I was like, how dare well this? This kind of
Speaker 3: leads to my next question, don't you know? Well? I
Speaker 3: mean the thing is that's that that is kind of true, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, because I've asked you about this because I
Speaker 3: know you do club Chubb.
Speaker 1: Is that our precinct? Yes, I get so.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I've I've asked you before
Speaker 3: and I kind of want to talk about now is
Speaker 3: because much of your content is with this bigger body type.
Speaker 3: What is your How does that reflect it in your
Speaker 3: fan base? Do you have a lot of fans who
Speaker 3: are like, okay, because that's interesting too, just because that
Speaker 3: means because you're not a bigger guy. So these bigger
Speaker 3: guys are they into you because they're into you? Or
Speaker 3: are they into you because you reflect this fantasy that
Speaker 3: they're able to kind of live out by watching your content?
Speaker 1: Both okay, absolutely right, and like the whole thing that
Speaker 1: was hard for Club jub as their first answer because
Speaker 1: the guy who made it, Greg knows my porn. He
Speaker 1: follows me on Twitter, and he knew what I was about.
Speaker 1: He knew that I respected bigger guys, yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: there is a fine line of respect, and you know,
Speaker 1: like it was yeah, exploiting, uh huh h And he
Speaker 1: just saw that, you know, I didn't exploit. So like
Speaker 1: I was the first dancer under two hundred pounds, you
Speaker 1: know everyone else was bigger guys, and then dancing there,
Speaker 1: everyone already kind of knew who I was. Well, that's
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask if there was anybody there
Speaker 3: who didn't, who'd be like, what the fuck? Is this
Speaker 3: this boy you know who is not our body type? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, taking jobs from other big go go boys.
Speaker 3: Do you ever get that kind of attitude?
Speaker 1: Yes, you do, yeah, and not often that club Chubb
Speaker 1: obviously everyone knows me there now. But when I work
Speaker 1: Cannonball out in? Was it Florida out in? Yeah, Florida.
Speaker 3: That's a great title for a party, a party for
Speaker 3: big guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is it a pool party? Yeah, It's like a
Speaker 1: whole hotel pool party type. It was so clever.
Speaker 2: Everyone does everyone. Is there a cannonball contest?
Speaker 1: No? Unfortunately you would think that's you think that's great.
Speaker 1: But yeah. I remember getting hired there for the first
Speaker 1: time and people were like, why is this? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: then the second time, the guy who hired us hired
Speaker 1: seventy five percent skinny dancer chasers basically, and then there
Speaker 1: was like maybe three big guys and everyone was real
Speaker 1: upset and everyone was took onto the internet, was like
Speaker 1: what is going on? And I even talked to him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a chubby man. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. I was like, oh, huh okay, cool, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I don't but like, like that was the only
Speaker 1: time I experienced that because people do know my porn
Speaker 1: now and people understand what I'm into. But when I
Speaker 1: first started doing it, I got so much hate. Wow,
Speaker 1: so many people, Oh my god, did he pay you?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, who is that? Oh my god, it's ugly.
Speaker 1: You just throw up at mo, throw up, throw Yeah,
Speaker 1: people did not like it.
Speaker 2: At a picture on like Instagram, or if I posted.
Speaker 1: A video or anything with the chubby guy, there would
Speaker 1: always be hating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like Instagram is so mean.
Speaker 1: But even Twitter, just anywhere, it's like, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I think it's amazing what you do, and I
Speaker 3: think that it just shows not only just representation of
Speaker 3: different body types, but also the notion that there's someone
Speaker 3: for everybody. And it's kind of like, I love seeing
Speaker 3: content like that, or at least knowing that content like
Speaker 3: that exists, because it probably means a lot to somebody
Speaker 3: with a bigger body type who does have to feel
Speaker 3: that kind of bullying on the internet, that like, somebody
Speaker 3: who looks like you is into it, that's probably super meaningful.
Speaker 1: And like the amount of messages in love I get
Speaker 1: from people who just yeah, like you said, who don't
Speaker 1: get that representation or don't understand that they can be
Speaker 1: loved by someone who can look like me, you know,
Speaker 1: and like the gag is, there's so many people who
Speaker 1: are attracted to bigger guys. They're just afraid to vocalize
Speaker 1: it because they don't want to be made fun of,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I know, for example, what's his name, Diego Diego Grant?
Speaker 1: Is that yeah? Full time? Yeah?
Speaker 3: He did something very similar to a friend of mine
Speaker 3: where they both I think, just made the decision one
Speaker 3: day that they were like, I want to be big. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I like that body type and I prefer it, and
Speaker 3: both of them have such a healthy relationship to being big.
Speaker 3: Do you find that a lot of the guys you
Speaker 3: create content with have a similar attitude toward their size,
Speaker 3: because like in the past, you kind of keep hearing
Speaker 3: about bigger body types as being super unhealthy or like,
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like that attitude has kind of
Speaker 3: changed over time. Do you find that a lot of
Speaker 3: your content partners and seeing partners are like happy being
Speaker 3: big or are they like, oh, I really want to change,
Speaker 3: I really wish I looked like you, or.
Speaker 1: I feel like over time, yes, like they're happier now
Speaker 1: with their bodies, but when it. It kind of like
Speaker 1: when I first started, I remember just hearing a lot
Speaker 1: of why are you doing this with me? Why are
Speaker 1: you attracted to me? Asking you must yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: But now it's more like, well, of course you're doing
Speaker 1: this with me. Fuck yeah, look at me. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it was very much like opposite side.
Speaker 2: They were trying to figure out if they were being exploited.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly. And I hated that fan, you know,
Speaker 1: I hated that shit.
Speaker 2: So now you've proven yourself as an.
Speaker 1: Ally proven yeah. And that's always the funny thing because
Speaker 1: when I first started doing TikTok and putting out chubby content,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, it's Cap is Cap. He's just
Speaker 1: doing this for clout, And then there'd be people like nope,
Speaker 1: he's the only fans. Nope, here's a Twitter. And it's
Speaker 1: just like, okay, I don't even have to defend myself
Speaker 1: because people already know.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting to me. I you know, I had
Speaker 3: I had a phase like right around the time we
Speaker 3: started Hot Dog where I was a little bit thicker
Speaker 3: and I was with somebody who made me feel.
Speaker 1: Really bad about it.
Speaker 3: But I got a lot of attention from people who
Speaker 3: were like really into it. And I think maybe just
Speaker 3: growing up the time that I did, I have this
Speaker 3: stigma maybe against like bigger bodies, especially for myself.
Speaker 2: I don't dislike it. Yeah, it's not from other people.
Speaker 2: It's like from it's from myself.
Speaker 1: It's about you know, and.
Speaker 4: You see yourself pictures and you know, yeah, and I
Speaker 4: look at pictures from the past, knowing full well that
Speaker 4: I felt like shit on that day, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I looked fucking good that day, you know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I obviously changed my body and like
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be more in the fit side of things.
Speaker 3: But I have a lot of people who look back
Speaker 3: on those photos and they're like, you look so good,
Speaker 3: and you know. And there's a friend of mine who
Speaker 3: we all know who when we met that was around
Speaker 3: that time, and he was so into me, but he
Speaker 3: was like a little bit tentative just because I was
Speaker 3: in a relationship. And then like I broke up with
Speaker 3: this person and then I got all fit and I
Speaker 3: finally found this person was like, okay, like I'm single,
Speaker 3: now you want to get together? And he was like,
Speaker 3: how about we just be friends? And I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: what and he was like, yeah, sorry, I don't like skinny,
Speaker 3: I don't like abs. I liked you better when you
Speaker 3: had a little bit of thick ums.
Speaker 2: And I was like, motherfucker, that's so funny.
Speaker 3: But it also made me feel good. I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: then that means that if I were ever to get
Speaker 3: that body type of I might do all right, you
Speaker 3: get it, which is like nice, yeah.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: So before like, we're wrapping up shortly, but I want
Speaker 3: to talk about your go go career, Like you've been
Speaker 3: on Go Go for the Gold season two, you've been
Speaker 3: a you've been a star at Hot Dog. We love
Speaker 3: having you tell me about what being a go go
Speaker 3: boy is and how that feels and what that's like.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know me, I love it. I love attention,
Speaker 1: I love you know it. I will say it was
Speaker 1: definitely kind of like a culture shock after being a stripper,
Speaker 1: because it's different mentality you're doing. You know, you're not
Speaker 1: in the crowd as much, you're above the crowd and
Speaker 1: you're not interacting with them as much as just being like, Hi,
Speaker 1: i'm here, I'm beautiful, give me money. You know, with
Speaker 1: a stripper, you had to work for that ship and
Speaker 1: you had to go up and talk to him. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm nice, I'm pretty, I'm cute. Come get
Speaker 1: a lap dance. I'll get another one lap dance. You know,
Speaker 1: pay me money for us all, you know. So it
Speaker 1: was a very different mentality coming to go go life
Speaker 1: and being like, Okay, here's your box. Stay on this box.
Speaker 3: I think i'd be a better stripper you think, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like you incorporate stripper strippert mentality
Speaker 3: and methods I do go go dancing. Do you guys
Speaker 3: should see the way he shakes that? But I have
Speaker 3: videos of it on the gym class Instagram. It's it's
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: So the demon on our shoulder is kind of like
Speaker 3: this persona you've taken on.
Speaker 1: Yes, do you want to tell us just a little
Speaker 1: bit about that? Oh well, I mean there's so many
Speaker 1: parts to it.
Speaker 3: I guess he's wearing a hat with horns on it.
Speaker 1: Y'all?
Speaker 2: Is that an upside down cross?
Speaker 1: Or is actually it's actually an actual cross? I got
Speaker 1: this one. I went on a trip with a sugar
Speaker 1: daddy to Paris and I got it from then, notre
Speaker 1: them before it burned down. Okay, Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I kind of wanted to encourage.
Speaker 3: If you guys are down for this moment, can you
Speaker 3: show us your tongue. Your tongue, I have you've noticed it? Okay, Well,
Speaker 3: if I may put you guys on the spot for
Speaker 3: just a second, then tell me. If you guys don't
Speaker 3: want to do this, will you make out with Cole
Speaker 3: real quick and just show him what that feels like?
Speaker 3: Do it on camera, please?
Speaker 2: Camera?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just need you to experience what this feels like.
Speaker 3: He has a split tongue. You guys like snaky and
Speaker 3: all right, all right, now they're gonna they're gonna make
Speaker 3: out real quick, just a little quick one.
Speaker 1: And try to keep your tongue in the middle.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, let's see it. Uh huh, all right,
Speaker 3: we'll just stick you. Oh my god, Wow, was that
Speaker 3: a first for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Tell us the decision for that to make that happen, and.
Speaker 1: We got to wrap up. I had been thinking about
Speaker 1: it for years. Honestly, I follow a lot of people
Speaker 1: who have split tongues because it looks dope, and they're
Speaker 1: like these hot goth people with tad and piercings, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2: It's what's the process of having it done.
Speaker 1: The process of having it done was so I got
Speaker 1: actually driven to a tattoo studio by Han and they
Speaker 1: took me into the back. It was very like hospital
Speaker 1: room almost. It was very like clean and they had
Speaker 1: all They had a bed that you just laid down
Speaker 1: on and the guy took my tongue out and he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mark your tongue and have you look at
Speaker 1: it and see if you like it. And he marked
Speaker 1: it and he's like, everyone's tongue is lopsided, and I
Speaker 1: was like okay. He's like, I can make it look
Speaker 1: not lip sided, or I can just do it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, just do it. So he marked it.
Speaker 1: There was another guy that he brought in. They had
Speaker 1: the two and they grabbed my tongue and he got
Speaker 1: the scalp or he got the scalpel and oh before
Speaker 1: any of that, they numbed it with a needle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the worst part of the whole experience because
Speaker 1: getting a needle in my tongue. He did it. He
Speaker 1: did it three times on the top and then four
Speaker 1: underneath it. Thankfully, by the time he got underneath, I
Speaker 1: didn't feel anything anymore, and so they took it out
Speaker 1: and he poked it with the scout poling. He's like,
Speaker 1: do you feel that? No, do you feel that now?
Speaker 1: Do you feel that? Now? Okay, are you ready? I'm
Speaker 1: like yeah, he went okay. Blood just went everywhere. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: just where everywhere. He's like, oh my god, I haven't
Speaker 1: been squirted on so long. Oh my god. I was
Speaker 1: like like I couldn't laugh because blood was everywhere. And
Speaker 1: he stitched me up in under fifteen minutes. Wow, oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, it's so cool. It's so crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't I mean, it's made me almost jealous that
Speaker 3: I want it to the squeamish ones among you. Sorry
Speaker 3: for asking. I just needed to, and I needed to.
Speaker 3: I just needed you to experience that cold. I loved it,
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I got to say sucking dick is
Speaker 3: also I'm sure alright, wow, I'm sure this is pretty good.
Speaker 1: You know, rimming, you can't you can only do so
Speaker 1: much because oh my tongue can't. You can't once I
Speaker 1: get both of them in there, you can't really move
Speaker 1: around that much.
Speaker 2: But you can go like like you can do like
Speaker 2: a little. I will say circles.
Speaker 1: I will say it's better on a pussy, is what
Speaker 1: i've heard. So you heard you heard it first, y'all,
Speaker 1: you heard it here. We got to wrap up.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we're out of time. I feel like I knew
Speaker 3: this would be so much fun. We could go on
Speaker 3: for so much. But I love you so much. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for joining us anytime. Yeah, and that
Speaker 3: was episode ten. Sorry for asking. I'm Adam Ramsey, I'm
Speaker 3: Cole Connor.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see you next time.
Speaker 2: I know by this has been Sorry for asking.
Speaker 4: Be sure to like, comment and subscribe, and until next time,
Speaker 4: stay sexy.
Speaker 1: Can't t