WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.280 --> 00:00:06.960 You're listening to Sorry for Asking. 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:07.879 Sorry for Asking. 3 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:11.439 I'm Cole Connor and I'm Adam Ramsey. This is where 4 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:13.880 we talk shop, ask questions. 5 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:16.920 Tell stories, and laugh some laughs about being creators as 6 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:18.920 well as consumers of adult content. 7 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:21.160 We love watching too, we certainly do. 8 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.120 We also discuss the impact adult films have had on us, 9 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:30.359 on our guests, and on the LGBTQ community. So strap 10 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:32.439 on and strap in and. 11 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:33.240 Here we go. 12 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:47.840 Welcome back, everybody. I'm Cole Connor, I'm Adam Ramsey. Welcome 13 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:52.759 back to Sorry for Asking. We're sorry, We're sorry, We're sorry. 14 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:56.359 We're sorry for this. Our tenth episode of season four. 15 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.759 So exciting it is. We're killing it. This is great. 16 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:02.159 I think it's our best season yet. 17 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:03.799 I'm enjoying it so far. 18 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.280 I think so far we've had only performers this season 19 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:10.760 as our guests. Yes, performers and internet sluts. 20 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:12.079 No, I'm okay with that. 21 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:12.920 I'm okay with that too. 22 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:14.400 I still do want to I have an idea for 23 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:17.239 a health segment, but but I but we haven't gotten 24 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.200 there yet. So in the meantime, we're just going to 25 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:24.359 do this string of beautiful queer performers and today we 26 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:27.200 have one of my favorite people in the world. I'm 27 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.400 so excited to have my Judy with the Big Booty. 28 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:38.920 Please welcome Judas King. Hi, welcome. Thank you so much 29 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.640 for doing this. I feel like, Okay, So my relationship 30 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:45.799 with Judas started at Hot Dog and now I call 31 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:48.359 her my daughter. I'm so proud we do. We have 32 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:50.079 a lot of fun at Hot Dog. We've created a 33 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:53.159 really beautiful thing there which I'll get to But I'm 34 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:54.760 excited to have you on here because I feel like 35 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:57.519 I'm gonna ask questions that I haven't been able to 36 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:00.120 ask you and just our social experience together. 37 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:01.519 Because you're his employer. 38 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:07.159 Well it's not. I mean, I wouldn't say I'm his employees, 39 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:11.960 but I can ask. I do hire him for fun stuff. 40 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:14.560 We you know, he dances for me at gym class, 41 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:16.960 at High Tops, he dances for me and Mario at 42 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:21.520 Hot Dog, and we have sort of accidentally created this 43 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.240 really beautiful after party experience at acbar where we go 44 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:28.840 and it's just been really fun. But I also have 45 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:30.680 seen you on the go go for the Gold Show 46 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:34.159 where you kind of talk a little bit about your 47 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.240 past experience, and I just want to know your background, 48 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:40.199 and like kind of what got you in this industry? 49 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:42.439 Let's start with first of all, how are you doing? 50 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:44.360 How's your days? How's life these. 51 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:52.080 Days considering the world presently? Yeah, but life is great. Yeah, 52 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:52.960 everything's great. 53 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:53.439 Cool? 54 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:54.439 Okay, good? 55 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:56.319 May I call you Judith. 56 00:02:56.360 --> 00:03:04.039 Judas Judith As not get it wrong? I'll get it. 57 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.080 Well from what I remember on the Go Go for 58 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:11.599 the Gold Show, you talk about a very unique family experience. 59 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.199 Can we hear a little bit about your upbringing and 60 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:16.599 how that all went down? 61 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:20.240 So I was raised Mormon, Okay, and I was also adopted, 62 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.280 So I was raised in a predominantly white community. On 63 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:27.080 top of that, whereabouts Paradise, California, if you've if you've 64 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:30.280 heard of it, that's northern California, California. It burnt down 65 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:34.120 in twenty nineteen and the camp fire fire, Wow, didn't 66 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:36.360 make it at all. Not a lot of people move 67 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:38.479 back either, because it was just kind of like a 68 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.240 recurring thing in northern California, because like you know, the 69 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:44.159 four supposed to burn down and then be rejuvenated from 70 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.840 everything that's burnt down, but this one was just not 71 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:50.439 a natural fire to begin with. So what does that mean? 72 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:54.800 A PGE generator blew up. Oh shit, yeah, and the 73 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.080 sparks hopped the valley to the town, so half the 74 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.280 town was on fire before they could even evacuate anyone. 75 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.319 So is it just a dead town now or No? 76 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:06.879 I haven't really like looked your family's not there. 77 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.560 No, No, but like my dad was the mayor of 78 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.599 the town, so like the previous yeah, the mayor that 79 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.159 like when it happened, called him and was like what 80 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.920 do we do? And he's like, you're the mayor, Like 81 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:21.439 you need to know what do in these circumstances. Damn. Yeah. 82 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:23.800 And he's also an insurance worker and he ensured half 83 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:26.800 the town as well, so we our family felt it 84 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:29.319 in like business wise. Yeah, damn. 85 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:31.480 Where were you in your life that, like how old 86 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:32.600 were you and what were you doing? 87 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:35.279 I was sure I don't even know how old I was. 88 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.279 I know I was living in Austin, Texas when this 89 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:39.120 was happening, because I remember just being in my apartment 90 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.399 texting all my friends and seeing if they were able 91 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.160 to get out and getting videos of them escaping this fire, 92 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.759 and it's just unreal. I still have some of the 93 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:48.600 videos on my phone and it looks like a video game. 94 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:49.839 It doesn't even look real. Wow. 95 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.399 Yeah, well, tragedy aside, What was it like growing up 96 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.680 in this kind of family situation in a place like Paradise, California. 97 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:57.720 I didn't know any better. 98 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.000 I was so bubbled, okay in a good way. Like 99 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:03.160 was it a good experience a bad experience? 100 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:07.920 I think kind of both. I didn't realize the bad 101 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.399 things until I kind of got outside of it and 102 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:13.000 learned more about the world. Okay. You know, I didn't 103 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:15.639 really like learn like what it was to be an 104 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:19.600 African American man until about like my college years. You know, 105 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.160 I didn't really learn about that. You know, I was 106 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:23.360 like the token black guy. 107 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:25.279 Were you the only person of color in your family? 108 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:26.839 Or were there other adopts? 109 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.639 Technically yes, we found out later that there was like 110 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:33.240 relatives that were also African American, but that wasn't until 111 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:34.439 like my adult years. 112 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:38.800 So what was like your your first exposure to African 113 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.519 American culture that you were like, oh my god, I've 114 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:43.160 been missing this. 115 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.279 I think music. Honestly, the first time I heard Rihanna 116 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.240 was like I was like high school, you know, like 117 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:52.199 I just wasn't exposed to any of that music because 118 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.720 of the Mormon culture, you know it was not allowed. No, 119 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.360 you can't listen to bad music, you can't watch Arra 120 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:59.759 did movies. You can't drink coffee. It's just so many. 121 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.279 I was like, oh, none of these rules fucking makes sense. 122 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:06.399 Okay, Well you had like a lot of siblings though, 123 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:06.839 didn't you? 124 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.560 So being adopted, I had, like on my adoptive family side, 125 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.199 I had two older sisters, but they were twelve thirteen 126 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:16.480 years older than me by the time I grew up. 127 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:21.560 They were already in college. Okay, basically so. And then 128 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.560 my biological side, I do have two younger sisters, a 129 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.120 younger brother, then twins. Oh wow, I didn't know all 130 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:30.079 of them. My grandmother was kind of crazy. 131 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:33.839 Oh I see. I was meaning, like from your adoptive 132 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:36.120 parents like that, if I thought you had like this 133 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:37.160 big family. 134 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:38.800 Two older sisters, gotcha? Okay? 135 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:43.279 All right? And was it a difficult thing coming into 136 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.319 your sexuality? Like how do you identify? And how soon 137 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:47.000 did that start? 138 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:51.480 So I identify as pan sexual okay nowadays, But it 139 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:55.759 wasn't easy because I knew I was different from kindergarten, 140 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.560 you know, I felt differently. I knew I was attracted 141 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.639 to boys, but I didn't underst and what it was 142 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:01.959 or what it was called. You know, I didn't know 143 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:03.720 what gay was. I didn't know what homosexual was. I 144 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.240 wasn't exposed to any of that when I was younger. 145 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:08.439 It wasn't really until I was like eighth grade, you know, 146 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.040 and I acted feminine and I talked feminine, and people 147 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:12.560 are like, oh, you're gay, you're gay, you're gay, you're 148 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:13.959 a fact, you're this or that, and it's like, what 149 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.040 is what is that shit? Like, I didn't know what 150 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:16.399 it was. 151 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.399 What was it said in like an oppressive kind of 152 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:21.279 bullying way or but I. 153 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.079 Was like, you know, I was like ha ha, yeah right, sure, no, 154 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:26.759 I don't know what that is. Yeah. And it wasn't 155 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.360 really until high school and I was like, okay, I'm different, 156 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.680 you know because even growing up my skin color, I 157 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.720 didn't really realize it. None of my friends really like 158 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:37.680 talked about it. No one really said, oh, you're a 159 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:40.959 black person, you're different. It was just like that was 160 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.160 just another white kid. It felt like almost you know. 161 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.519 But it wasn't until high school that people were calling me, 162 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.160 you know, a cotton picker, N word this. Yeah. I 163 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:50.720 was getting called so many names when I was in 164 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:52.800 high school and I was being called the token black guy. 165 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.120 And you like, didn't I. 166 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:59.240 Didn't understand it. It didn't register. I yeah, fucked up. Yeah, 167 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.199 I just was not educated. 168 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.600 It's like, yeah, I'm like, what do you think about 169 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:09.439 like white families that adopt an African American child and 170 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.600 have no tools to teach them about the culture. 171 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:15.160 Yeah, oh, best belief. I've talked to my parents about 172 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:16.879 this too, because you know, growing up, they didn't know 173 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:18.680 how to take care of a black child that was 174 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:23.040 crusty and dusty and like I had horrible danger of 175 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.879 growing up. My skin was horrible, I got eggs up 176 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:27.839 because they never lotioned me. They never knew how to 177 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.240 take care of my hair. And I remember going back 178 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:32.039 to them as an adult and being like, y'all fucked 179 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.200 me up physically because y'all didn't know how to take 180 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:36.440 care of me. So now I have, I mean, now 181 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:40.480 I'm great. I know how to take care of it. Yeah, 182 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:41.799 But I was like I told him, I was like, 183 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:43.240 you know that a rough patch that we had with 184 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:44.639 my hair and my skin and all that shit, I 185 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:46.399 was like, that was because of y'all. Y'all didn't know 186 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:47.039 how to take care of. 187 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:48.639 Me or to ask someone to have. 188 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:52.519 Or anyone literally. So yeah, my parents just didn't have 189 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:55.600 the tools to know how to raise a black child. 190 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.399 Granted I was raised very well, I will say that, 191 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:03.000 better than my because my parents didn't have like a 192 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:04.360 lot of money when they were going up, so they 193 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:06.120 didn't really get a lot of the shit that they wanted. 194 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.240 What I grew up, I got everything because my parents 195 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.559 wanted a son. They didn't they wanted girl too, but 196 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.000 they wanted a son mainly. So when they adopted me, 197 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.240 they gave me the world, you know, but they didn't 198 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.200 give me like the necessary things that I needed to 199 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:21.960 succeed as a African American man in the world. 200 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.039 Okay, Yeah, I mean the fact that they adopted a 201 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.240 black boy instead of a white boy if they wanted 202 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.840 a son like that, to me says something, you know interesting. 203 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.000 I also think it kind of Thankfully my birth mother 204 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.799 wasn't too kind of like out of her head yet 205 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:43.440 she wanted her first child to go to a Mormon family. Wow. Yeah, 206 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:45.399 because she knew that, you know, Mormons have a very 207 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.519 like family based religion, so she knew that I would 208 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.080 be taken care of how old were you when you 209 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:55.039 were adopted to ride out the pussy? Okay, I popped out. 210 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:57.039 My parents were like, yeah, we'll take that please. 211 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.039 I mean, I want to get into a little bit 212 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:02.200 of like, you know, you're or you know, your foray 213 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:05.080 into the industry of being a you know, a public slut. 214 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:06.559 But I mean the thing is, like, you know, in 215 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:08.480 the time that I've known you, you display such a 216 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:13.399 confidence and that is an entire entirely congruent with somebody 217 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:15.320 who grew up the way that you did and was 218 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:19.159 othered in such formative years. So how do you think 219 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.600 you acquired that? You know, when you were being bullied 220 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.039 by people in high school and like realizing you were different, 221 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.120 being called all these names? What did it take to 222 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:30.240 get to this kind of confidence? 223 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.200 Yeah, and here's you've seen me in confrontation and how 224 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:38.600 I act. That started very young, and it started kind 225 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:41.679 of not aggressively. I was very shy. I was very like, 226 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.000 not socially awkward, but kind of like I didn't like 227 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.639 social situations with people that I didn't know, and especially 228 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:50.399 like confrontation. I wasn't good with confrontation at all. You know, 229 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.200 when I first started working, like it would be so 230 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.279 awkward having to talk to people because I just didn't 231 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:57.759 know what to say to new people. You know. It 232 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:00.639 was just super awkward for me, and I I think, 233 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.799 go going and I started stripping. It really kind of 234 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:06.360 helped me get out of my box and realized everyone 235 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.440 doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. Everyone's scared, yeah, 236 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.320 you know, everyone's everyone's scared. Everyone's like, you know, embarrassed 237 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.919 with their body. And it was a tiny click, but 238 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:18.360 I was like, Okay, I don't need to be terrified 239 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.720 and scared because everyone's the same thing, you know. Yeah. 240 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:25.200 And at some point I turned around and I looked 241 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:26.720 at myself and I was like, I'm taking too much 242 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:29.440 bullshit from people. I have to stop. So I went 243 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:34.399 really hard on the other side of the circle and 244 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:36.440 just was like being a bitch to everyone and just 245 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.000 saying whatever the fuck I wanted, and people kind of 246 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:42.080 like liked it, you know, And so it really just 247 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.720 didn't stop. And as I grew older, I kind of 248 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:49.000 it watered down into who I am today, you know. Okay, yeah, 249 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.120 but that is kind of I think why I am 250 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:55.240 a little callous and rude sometimes to people, because it's 251 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:56.840 just kind of how I grew up and even in 252 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:58.799 my family, you know, we talked shit about each other. 253 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:01.279 You never struck me as rude. You you strike me 254 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:04.519 as blunt. You say what's on your mind, You're quick 255 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:07.039 to say it. You're funny as hell, Like do you 256 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:08.159 like roast your friends? 257 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:08.480 Oh? 258 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:09.840 That's how we so good? 259 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.799 I was like I was, I saw I saw something 260 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:15.480 that was. I read something that was like, people who 261 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.639 give their friends a hard time, like in a joking way, 262 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.240 are three hundred percent more likely to be honest. 263 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.600 It's a completely better friends trip. 264 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:30.279 Yeah truly, When so you said you it took also 265 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:32.639 getting into stripping? When did that start? When did you? 266 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:34.159 How did you even have an opportunity? 267 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.720 So I tried to do the college thing. I went 268 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:39.960 to college. My parents, you know, paid for it because 269 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:46.039 I fully just have an education. Utah oriham young. No, 270 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.399 I couldn't get in there because I had tattoos. Yeah, 271 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:52.559 they don't like students around. I didn't even know that. 272 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.679 There's so many rules. I think it's it's like tattoos 273 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:56.639 you have, you can't have facial hair, and it's like 274 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:01.320 all these stupid rules. I went to UVU. You valued university, 275 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.720 and I was not a BookSmart kid. I'll say that 276 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:06.799 I did not do good in school. I have ADHD, 277 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.440 so I couldn't pay attention to anything or anyone. So 278 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.000 I barely graduated high school with CES. And the only 279 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.679 college I could get into was a not a university 280 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.639 but a local community college basically. But UVU was turning 281 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:22.840 from that to a university to a four year college, 282 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:25.320 so they needed more students, so they were just taking anyone. 283 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:28.039 So I got in, you know, but I dropped out 284 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.000 after seven months. It just wasn't for me. And it 285 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:32.720 was college life. I could do whatever I wanted. I 286 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:34.320 didn't have my parents anymore, you know, I was out 287 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:36.799 of the Mormon life, out of the Mormon life. But yeah, 288 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.120 I dropped out after seven months and just kind of 289 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.120 like did my own thing. Was this in Salt Lake? 290 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:45.039 This was an orm provo area. Oh yeah, so about 291 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.679 like thirty minutes from Salt Lakecha. I went for a 292 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:49.679 musical theater. I was a musical theater. 293 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:49.960 Gay. 294 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.200 I grew up doing musical theater and thought that's what 295 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.440 I wanted to do. And I went to college and 296 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:57.200 it was all general education. 297 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:58.519 What shows were you then? 298 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:04.720 Oh god, I was and wasn't I. Oh god, I 299 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:06.840 was in the color Purple. I was in Once on 300 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:11.399 This Island, Oliver Twist. You acted in these shows? Or 301 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:15.039 because because I know you're a really good piano player. Well, okay, okay, 302 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:16.639 all right, Wow, I don't think you've ever seen me 303 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.440 act in anything I have, I haven't. 304 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.759 I'm clearly this means you sing. I don't think i've 305 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.200 ever heard you sing. I've seen you play piano in 306 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:24.799 your videos. You're very very good. 307 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.399 That's so cool. I had no idea, See, I knew it. 308 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:32.240 I was gonna like appeal layers, yes, little layers. Okay, okay, 309 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.120 So you were doing musical theater after like and then 310 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:35.960 you dropped out? 311 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:38.320 Yeah, because I wasn't doing anything. I know, I was 312 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:42.279 taking two credits for a musical theater class and I 313 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.799 was learning nothing. I didn't wasn't retaining anything, and I 314 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.519 was like, I met other musical theater people and they 315 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.320 were telling me of like groups outside of it that 316 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.799 would perform and make money. And so I joined one 317 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.919 of the musical theater groups outside and they would always 318 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:02.399 perform at they called the Grand Theater out in Salt Lake, 319 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.600 which was a beautiful like gorgeous theater, huge theater. 320 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:09.519 What were they performing like improv or. 321 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.360 No, like actual actual shows. Yeah. So that's where I 322 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:17.399 did once on This Island Fame and one other one 323 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.600 for them. But I just started working with them and 324 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:21.320 making money off of it. So I was like, Okay, 325 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.639 I can do this. But at the same time, my 326 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:25.200 parents were like, we want you to have an education, 327 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.279 please go back to college. I was like, okay, i'll 328 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.039 do it again, but you're paying for it again because 329 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:31.360 I don't want to do this. I don't want to 330 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.360 go to school. It's not for me, y'all know, it's 331 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.799 not for me. Y'all just want me to look good 332 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.399 when you, you know, brag about me to your friends. 333 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.879 So I went back to college for massage therapy school, 334 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:48.039 which was only a eight month program, but I ended 335 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:51.919 up not passing because I failed two classes and it 336 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.120 would have had to cost more money to go back 337 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:57.960 and retake the classes. But during that time I got 338 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:02.639 a clientele, a private clientele of sugar daddies and older 339 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:07.039 men and married Mormon men. Wow. So that was kind 340 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.759 of my like knee into the doorway for escorting and 341 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.360 it started from there. I got sugar Daddy's how do 342 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:16.960 you even find them? They found me and you know, 343 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:18.320 you know, there was Craigslist. 344 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.120 There, there's Backpage, there's Grinder. 345 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:24.840 Okay, it was I am surprised. 346 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:27.240 This is like what year this was? 347 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:28.240 How old were you. 348 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:30.039 Because Grinder was like. 349 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.960 Grinder started, I want to say, like in two thousand. 350 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.279 Yeah that was maybe, Yeah, that was more. That was 351 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:40.000 more later in my career, but I usually I mostly 352 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:43.879 used Backpage and Craigslist to find my clientele. 353 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.679 All right, Tony, can you pop up that photo? I 354 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:48.919 got to see this person? This was this was the 355 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:53.879 like look at this, Sugar Daddy king? 356 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.679 Is this? Where is this when that era started? So 357 00:16:57.759 --> 00:16:59.559 if you look in the bottom left, it says guys 358 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:03.200 in sweatpa, Oh, this is the birth of my porn career. 359 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:10.920 Yeah, how you're like nineteen, I'm like nineteen twenty. So 360 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:13.279 had you already been doing the sugar Daddy thing by 361 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:13.680 this point? 362 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:16.599 Yeah? Actually, I'm probably twenty twenty one. I think I'm 363 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:21.480 I've moved to Portland by this point. Okay in my life, 364 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.400 because that's when I started stripping and one of the 365 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.720 strippers told me how to get into porn. 366 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:30.319 Okay, yeah, wow, you've been at this a long time and. 367 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:31.839 It's a long time decade. 368 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:34.640 Okay, all right, I always forget that. 369 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:38.039 It's like you didn't just start doing OnlyFans and then 370 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:41.920 and posting stuff on Twitter and then studios started asking 371 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:43.000 you to do stuff. 372 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:51.119 Yeah, okay, So give me in steps the timeline of 373 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.920 like how you started in the sex industry. So you 374 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:55.039 started with sugar Daddy. 375 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:58.400 Sugar Daddy then went into escorting, yes, and then escorting 376 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:01.680 and then stripping, and then stripping and then studio porn 377 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:04.839 and yeah, and then Go Going because Go Going stripping 378 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.880 obviously are completely different. Yeah, but yeah, that was basically 379 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:12.480 where did you strip? Portland, Orgon That's one of the 380 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:14.279 only states that you can get naked in. 381 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.200 Yeah, it was completely naked. Yn't have to like still 382 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:18.319 wear socks or something. 383 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.799 You can get dick out, hole out everything, lap dances, 384 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:23.160 they were like, suck make money. 385 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:28.440 It's weird that Oregon, Oregon is like where yeah progressive, Well, 386 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:30.559 only Portland is progressive. I feel like I feel like 387 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:32.119 the rest of Oregon is kind of. 388 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:39.119 Everything else is like kind of basically or that yeah Matthews, Yeah, 389 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:39.920 or homeless people. 390 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:43.160 It's really Yeah, it's very strange. Yeah, so is Portland 391 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.440 and Austin the only other places you've lived aside from 392 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:46.119 La No? 393 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:49.519 Oh no, so oh gosh, Okay, let me try to 394 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:53.960 do this in timeline, in chronological order. Let's see. Okay, 395 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.680 So from California, I went to Utah. Yeah. From Utah, 396 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:58.880 I went to Portland. From Portland, I went to Washington. 397 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.720 From Washington, Washington d C, Washington State, Wing State. Yeah, 398 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:06.240 and then went back to Portland. Then from Portland, I 399 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:10.759 went to Florida. What Yeah, And then Florida to Texas 400 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.759 and then Texas to back to California to La. Okay, Yeah, 401 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.119