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True Murder with 53 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:37.759 your host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 54 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:51.199 Good Evening the moment he found out his brother was 55 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:55.919 missing and presumed dead, Ted Kirgan launched a relentless effort 56 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:59.680 to bring two suspected killers, a teenage prostitute and a 57 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:04.879 much older drifter boyfriend, to justice and find Gary Kergan's body. 58 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.639 Little did he know his quest would consume a fortune 59 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.719 and take thirty years to reach its dramatic conclusion. Thwarted 60 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.039 at first by the fact that his brother's body could 61 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:19.800 not be located in a New district attorney reluctant to prosecute. 62 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:22.840 As a result, Kergan had to keep track of the 63 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:26.919 killers from New Orleans notorious French Quarter, to Las Vegas 64 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:29.680 and points in between, and wait for a break in 65 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:33.680 the case that seemed like it would never come. Then, 66 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:37.400 nearly thirty years later, science detective work and especially a 67 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:41.199 brother's love and tenacity would combine for a resolution that 68 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.400 would end in a dramatic trial in which one of 69 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:48.599 the killer's diary would be a star witness. The book 70 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:52.120 they were featuring this evening is My Brother's Keeper, a 71 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.680 thirty year quest to bring two killers to justice, with 72 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:00.919 my special guest, journalist and author Chris us Soul Blackwood. 73 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.120 Welcome to the program, and thank you very much for 74 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.759 greeing to this interview. Chris Russel Blackwood. 75 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:08.759 Thanks so much, Dan, I'm so happy to be all 76 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:09.800 with you tonight. 77 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:15.680 Thank you very much again. Congratulations on an incredible book, 78 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:19.879 My Brother's Keeper. Just before we jump right into this 79 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:25.079 very very involved and incredible story, tell us how you 80 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:30.160 came to be involved with this book and My Brother's Keeper. 81 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:35.040 Well, when the suspects were rearrested in twenty twelve. At 82 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.040 that time, I was having lunch with a close friend 83 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.480 who was actually on the inside of the investigation along 84 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.319 with Ted Kurgan. She was actually working with him as 85 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:46.800 a public relations executive. She started telling me little details 86 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.759 about these rearrests, although she couldn't tell me a whole lot. 87 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:52.399 There was a lot of confidential information and I just 88 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:56.000 became totally intrigued, and from that moment on, I was hooked, 89 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.279 and I became her confidant and got more and more 90 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:01.639 involved on the side of the story, and you know, 91 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.560 it just consumed a good part of my life for 92 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.319 the following years. 93 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:13.160 Absolutely understandable. Now you talk about the early life of 94 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:18.439 Gary and his brother, Ted Kergan, and you start off 95 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:21.800 with a story just to demonstrate the closeness of the brothers, 96 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:28.040 but also something that happened to Ted early on. Anything, 97 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:32.120 you talk about the role that Gary took on after that. 98 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:34.319 So tell us just a little bit about the early 99 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:37.000 life of Ted and Gary Kergan. Where they grew up. 100 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.120 You talk about Detroit, So tell us a little bit 101 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.720 about this incident and a little bit about their early life. 102 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:44.639 Introduced these two extraordinary people. 103 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.759 Sure, Ted and Gary grew up in suburban Detroit. Ted's 104 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.959 father died when he was one year old, so Gary 105 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.519 assumed the role of the family patriarch as a very 106 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:59.160 young boy who was four years older than Ted. Their 107 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:03.879 mother made her living as a seamstress, and they were 108 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.959 so very close. Ted actually was injured in a bicycle 109 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:11.120 accident when he was like eight years old, and Gary, 110 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:16.079 you know stated his bedside. They had paper roots together. 111 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:20.519 They always they did an attic bedroom project together. They 112 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:24.800 were always working together. They were uper close, with Gary 113 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:28.160 being his protector, always looking out for Ted. 114 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.240 Now you fast forward a little bit and we'll come 115 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:37.519 back to some of the accounts of some of the 116 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:41.720 things that these people did together before they became really 117 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:46.279 successful business people. But then you fast forward to this 118 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.759 chain of Sonic drive ins and you tell about the 119 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.600 brothers set to sign an agreement. So tell us where 120 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:56.680 they are later in life and as business partners, and 121 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.360 what kind of business they're in. Tell us a little 122 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.720 bit about the situation that they that you talk about 123 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.000 that they were set to sign some agreements. Tell us 124 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.319 what was going on at that time with these two brothers. 125 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:11.480 Kirgan moved to Louisiana to become a Sonic driving franchise 126 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:14.279 e and Ted followed him. Here. They were on the 127 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:18.920 verge of a huge Sonic expansion development agreement when Gary 128 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:22.240 went missing. They had gotten verbal agreements from the banks. 129 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:26.160 That day. Gary had gotten it for their loan to 130 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.600 move forward, and Ted was at home waiting for Gary 131 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.040 to come and discuss this with him. And there were 132 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.120 It was a very exciting time in their lives. Everything 133 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:40.680 was seemed to be going their way. Uh, they were, 134 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.800 you know, on the verge of like I said, opening 135 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:47.079 restaurants in the New Orleans and Hammond area in South Louisiana, 136 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.199 a big, big expansion for them. So it was a 137 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:54.639 very exciting time. Gary was the sort of the charismatic 138 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:57.519 leader of the two while Ted was more of the 139 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:01.160 nuts and bolts person working in the business. They had 140 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:04.879 a very very close relationship. As I mentioned before, They 141 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.720 spoke in their own little shorthand language. They spoke a 142 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:12.399 dozen times a day, and so Ted was very excited 143 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:14.759 as he waited for Gary to come home that evening 144 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.399 and tell him about what was going on the latest 145 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.600 with the bank development. And then Garry never showed up. 146 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.000 Yeah, you talk about Also Gary's wife, her name was Susie, 147 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:29.720 and she was called or if she called, and she 148 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:34.679 was concerned. So tell us what they do. Immediately they're 149 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:38.559 in the Katia Parish. So tell us what Ted does 150 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:42.080 and Susie does, and what's their next move. 151 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:45.519 Well, Gary had last been heard from. He was in 152 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:50.480 Baton Rouge, which is about fifty miles from the Lafayette area. 153 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:55.759 The Acadiana area. They had an office here in Baton 154 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:59.360 Rouge of an apartment office that they were using his 155 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:06.279 headquarters for the development expansions, and so they were expecting 156 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:10.360 him to come home. Gary never ever, didn't come home 157 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:15.320 without calling. So as soon as the morning came, she 158 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:17.600 called Ted to see if Ted had heard from She 159 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.000 was very very upset. Of course, we're talking about November 160 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.960 nineteen eighty four, so there were no cell phones there, 161 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.240 there were no GPS, there was nothing, you know, no 162 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:30.919 way to really get in touch. There was no answer 163 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.679 at the landline of the apartment. So basically Ted knows 164 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.679 he has to get in his car and looks and 165 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.480 the first place he goes is to visit the Acadia 166 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:45.120 pair of sheriff who is a friend of theirs Ken Goss, 167 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.960 who talks him into you know, tells him what he 168 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:50.759 needs to do, that he needs to go to Baton Rouge. 169 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.639 There's no missing person report for twenty four hours that 170 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.639 could be filed. They do put an ap B out 171 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:01.799 on Gary's Cadillac El Dorado, but that's about all they 172 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.879 can do. And then Ted gets in his car and 173 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:08.600 drives to that Ruge to be in the thirch, having 174 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:10.919 no idea where Gary might be. 175 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:16.639 Now immediately, especially on the verge as a reader, and 176 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:20.240 I think as anyone, even Ted would think that there 177 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:22.600 might be something to this, on the verge of this 178 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.519 big business deal. He thinks back to these partners were 179 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.279 that they had previously they split up the Sonic Restaurants 180 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.600 in nineteen seventy nine, and the animosity lingered, you said, 181 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.120 between Gary and Mitch Gravelly and the other two brothers, 182 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.759 and so you talk about that. He thought that there 183 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:44.480 might be something to that, and as a result he 184 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.600 had mentioned or he had remembered what Mitch Gravelly had 185 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.919 said in terms of a nightclub that he had introduced 186 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:56.000 him to. So tell us how this again information leads 187 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:57.720 to another lead. 188 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.360 That's why many things where of course we're swirling through 189 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:04.480 Ted's mind at the time, who Gary may have been with, 190 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:07.679 who he talked to. He goes and searches all over 191 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.399 bat Rouge, and he is he is desperate when he 192 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:15.440 recalls a nightclub that one of their business partners, Mitch Graveley, 193 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:17.960 brought him to, and it also brought Gary to on 194 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.039 separate occasions. They have not been there together. So we're talking, 195 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.000 you know, more than a day into this desperate search 196 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.159 all over bat Rouge and you know Ted. But before 197 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:32.720 he goes to the club, he actually goes to a 198 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:36.200 real estate closing that Gary was supposed to attend. Gary 199 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.919 was moving his family as part of the business expansion, 200 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:42.879 and this is a huge moment for Ted because he 201 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.639 knows that no matter what, Gary is going to show 202 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.440 up at that closing if he's at all able. And 203 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.120 so when Ted arrives for the closing and Gary never shows, 204 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.840 it's at that moment that Ted breaks down because he 205 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:59.720 knows that something is very, very wrong and that he 206 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.720 is never going to see Gary again. So he's had 207 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:06.759 this huge crossroads and he decides that he's not going 208 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.200 to let his family become a victim. And that's when 209 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:14.480 he really gets goes into action. Things remembering the Gravelly 210 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:17.440 brothers in places that they might have been, and he 211 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:22.000 remembers this club called the Night Spot, which is the 212 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:25.240 opposite direction from their home, but he knew that that 213 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:28.559 they had both been there on separate occasions. So he 214 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:32.440 drives here. It's late on Friday evening. Gary had been 215 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:36.039 missing since early Thursday morning. It's late on Friday evening 216 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:39.559 when he enters this bar and one of the dancers 217 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:45.559 greets them with Hello Gary, and he stunned because even 218 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:49.480 though he's taller and heavier, surely there's a family resemblance. 219 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:53.200 But you know, he knows that his brother is pretty 220 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:57.240 well known there, obviously if dancers calling him by name. 221 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.120 So he asks to see the manager and it's taken 222 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:04.639 to Dorothy McGee. She and her husband Gary McGee owned 223 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.879 the club, and although Dorothy's pretty tight lipped, she does 224 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:12.840 tell him that his brother was indeed there late Wednesday night, 225 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:17.240 early Thursday morning, and bet he left with a dancer 226 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:22.399 named Erica. So I mean Ted. As I said in 227 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.320 the book, Ted is excited and frightened all at once 228 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:30.399 because he's hit Peter, so to speak, when it was 229 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:32.639 literally a needle in a haystack that he would have 230 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:37.240 found a lead on where his brother had left been seen. 231 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:44.279 So he immediately the information to the detective. 232 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:48.080 With this dogged search he can he continued, He continues 233 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:53.360 this investigation while you say that Baton Rouge police are 234 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.600 finally on the job with a couple of detectives, Bob 235 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:02.600 Hole and Ri Thompson. But like you say in the book, 236 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:07.000 this is an incredible relationship that Ted has with these 237 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:11.080 investigators because he has been an honorary deputy. Him and Gary, 238 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:14.679 so they are pretty tight in terms of gaining information. 239 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:18.320 It seemed unusual or not typical that they would be 240 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.120 so involved and they would have Ted so employed to 241 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.679 be involved in this search as well. 242 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:29.679 Well. He immediately gained respect when he located the night 243 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:33.639 spot because he found where Gary had last been seen, 244 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:37.240 So the two deputies Hal and Thompson immediately had this 245 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.799 respect for him. He also had the sheriff's badge, so 246 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:45.480 he was an honorary sheriff and he did have a badge. 247 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:52.120 And thirdly, as the investigation was going on, he actually 248 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:57.919 saw the mayor and in a very unusual exchange, the 249 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.039 mayor asked him for a contribution to barbecue of campaign contribution, 250 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:06.480 which Ted complied, and even though the barbecue had already 251 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:11.000 taken place, Ted made's contribution and he but then on. 252 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.559 He had a desk at the police station, so he 253 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.799 did have unusual access. But this is Ted Krgan is 254 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.080 a very unusual man, a very determined, perseverant man. 255 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:36.240 Hellent, Hello, I'm sorry we got disconnected there for a moment. 256 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:40.000 I'm back. Tell us how Gary finds and the police 257 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.120 find out about a person named Ron Dunnagaan Again it's 258 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:48.159 from Ted's search of these nightclubs that he stumbles across 259 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:51.399 upon this. But tell us how he gets this information 260 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:55.200 and what information does he get about this Ron done again? 261 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.399 Well, first off, they they Ted found that he left 262 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.960 with a dancer named Erica. Her real name was Lilah 263 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:08.039 Mala Gary McGee. The club owner had a license with 264 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:11.679 her name, so from that they were able to determine 265 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:16.200 that she lived with a man named Ron Dunnagan on 266 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:18.519 Byron Street, which was just a few blocks away from 267 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:23.159 the club. So this was within another twenty four hours, 268 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:25.960 so they were able to find out that address. Ted 269 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.240 met the detectives there and as they waited for the 270 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.360 landlord to arrive. Again, he's not knowing if his brother 271 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.720 is inside, if he's dead or alive, and so he 272 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:38.600 is just he's kicking an air conditioning unit. He's frantic 273 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:42.120 and they're waiting for the landlord to show up with keys. 274 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:45.720 When the landlord shows up, the detectives go in. First, 275 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:49.159 they discover blood, They discover signs of a struggle in 276 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:54.399 the duplex bedroom, and they know they know that there 277 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.440 that you know there has been a serious struggle struggle 278 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:02.000 there at the Duplex on Byron Street, just blocks away 279 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.359 from the nightclub where Gary was last seen with this 280 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:12.640 dancer Erica aka Lila Molla, and so her boyfriend. From 281 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:17.400 police reports from the club owners, her boyfriend's name was 282 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:23.680 Ronald Dunagan, and they began to look for both of them. 283 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:27.400 A material witness warrant is issued for Lilah because she 284 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:32.640 was the last person seen with Gary Kergan at the 285 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:37.440 same time. A couple of days later, Gary's carr late 286 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.960 model Cadillac El Dorado was reported in a parking lot 287 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.279 in suburban New Orleans. The car had actually been there 288 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.799 since Thursday morning, a few hours after the murder, but 289 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:52.400 the owner of the business reported it several days later 290 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:54.920 when no one came to claim it. The bat Police 291 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:57.920 detectives traveled to New Orleans and brought the car back 292 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.279 to the State Police lab in Baton Ridge, where the 293 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.519 trunk was opened and there was a huge pool of 294 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.000 coagulated blood, lots and lots of the blood in the 295 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:11.039 trunk of that car. And Ted Kurgan was also there 296 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:13.079 when they opened the trunk of the car at the 297 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:14.119 State police lab. 298 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:20.680 And he asked the question, I guess he's stunned, and 299 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.000 he asked the question, what does all this blood mean? 300 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.519 And what was the response from the police. 301 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:29.960 Yes, because when I spoke to Ted about it, you know, 302 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:34.799 he talked about, you see that horrible site, but you 303 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.519 really don't know what it means. You see it, but 304 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:41.960 you don't see it. And the person at the state 305 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.920 police lab told him that it meant someone had died 306 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.440 in the trunk of the car, there was that much blood. 307 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:57.759 So after that horrible site, Ted had was charged with 308 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:01.559 going back home to the lab the area to tell 309 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.799 Gary's wife, Susie, their son Wade, who had just his 310 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.759 mother in those assembled at Susie's house, that Gary was 311 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.200 most likely dead and would not be you know, he 312 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:15.720 would not They would not see Gary again. And at 313 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.880 that time, you know, Ted's whole life had already been 314 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.799 turned upside down. But then but now he's at this 315 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.440 huge point in his life where he's no longer the follower, 316 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.839 He's now the family patriarch. And everyone had looked to 317 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:33.680 Gary to make all the decisions and now he's put 318 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.680 in that place. And it was, as he said, the 319 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:37.599 worst day of his life. 320 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:44.279 You talk about that. Police believe that the couple are 321 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.599 heading to San Diego. But police get a call from 322 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:52.559 Las Vegas. Tell us what happens and how the what 323 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.599 happens and how they apprehend the two of them. 324 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.319 Yes, they had forwarded their male to of San Diego. 325 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.319 That's why they assumed they would find him there. However, 326 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:09.240 because of the material witness warrant, when Lila Molla went 327 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:12.160 to the Clark County Detention Center in Las Vegas to 328 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:16.359 apply for a dancer's license, it was flagged. You know, 329 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:18.960 there was flag that she was wanted in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. 330 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:25.880 So they called the Batanoge detective and told them that 331 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.000 they could only hold her for twenty four hours. Meanwhile, 332 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:32.480 they also discover a very minor warrant outstanding warrant for 333 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:38.160 Ronald Dunnagan, and he stumbled into the Clark County Detention 334 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:40.559 Center looking for her because he's been waiting in the car, 335 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.400 and they hold him too. They arrest him. Now they, 336 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:46.279 as I said, they can only hold them both for 337 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:51.799 twenty four hours. So Batlou's detectives starts scrambling because they 338 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:53.559 don't know how they're going to get to Las Vegas, 339 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:56.720 and so they basked Ted what he can do. And 340 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:01.759 you know, Ted is thirty years old. He's a you know, 341 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:04.599 he's a successful businessman, but certainly not not uber rich 342 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:09.400 or anything. But he remembers, he remembers pulling out the 343 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:12.839 Yellow Pages seeing an ad for lear Jet and actually 344 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:16.400 calling the person who was in New Orleans and you know, 345 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.359 talking to her and actually rinning the lear Jet on 346 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:23.960 his American Express cards. That would bring both Ted Ted 347 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:27.119 and the two detectives to Las Vegas to question Lylah 348 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:29.839 and Ron. So they do get there in time to 349 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:34.200 question both of them in Las Vegas, and at that time, 350 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.200 Lilah gives the first of several confessions. 351 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:43.359 Let's balco both. Let's talk about what she says in 352 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:47.079 that confession, because this is going to be important and 353 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:50.319 live and she's going to live with those statements forever. 354 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:56.759 Lilah said that she brought Gary back to the apartment. 355 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:05.359 They were they were, you know, heavy. She says that 356 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:09.519 they had sex and that Ron Done Again actually killed 357 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:11.839 him and if they wanted more information, they would have 358 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.960 to speak to Ron done Again. And that's basically what 359 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:19.119 she said the first time that she confessed it was 360 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:20.880 an accident, but that Ron killed him. 361 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.119 Now, what do police do with this first confession? And 362 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:31.319 you talk about this first confession, She doesn't ask for 363 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:34.759 a lawyer, so they speak to her as long as 364 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:38.839 she feels like speaking with them. When they talked to Ron, 365 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.400 done again, what is the result from that interview. 366 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:46.880 Well, he acknowledges that he knew Gary Kergan, and that 367 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:51.839 Gary Kergan was indeed at their duplex on Byron Street 368 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:57.880 early hours of that morning, and that according to Ron, 369 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:00.920 he was looking for some kind of rupt sex and 370 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.160 that Ron ran him off, and that the last time 371 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.039 he saw Gary Kergan he was headed to New Orleans 372 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:09.279 in his Cadillac. And that was one's story at that 373 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:10.359 time in Las Vegas. 374 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:19.079 Now, is there any grounds for search warrants and tell 375 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:24.599 us about what's found that with the warrant at the apartment. 376 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:30.599 Yes, they do search. Among the there were guns and ammunitions, 377 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.599 but also some of the most valuable things they found 378 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:39.279 were La Lamla's diaries. She had several diaries. Some were 379 00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:42.480 about health and fitness, but some were very pointed and 380 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:45.920 talked about a lot of details. In the month they 381 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:48.799 spent in Baton Rouge, the month of November nineteen eighty four, 382 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.720 that they when they moved from New Orleans to Baton 383 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:55.920 Rouge and what they did with their time there. It 384 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:04.720 was very, very interesting. They talked about practicing with animals, 385 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:08.640 and Gary's name comes up in the diary several times. 386 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:12.480 She talks about him as a trick. She talks about 387 00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:18.799 him giving her good money. She documents them her money 388 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:22.319 in the diary. But the most chilling thing that she 389 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.880 says in the diary is hit Gary next time. And 390 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:29.599 she also refers to him in the diary as sonic Gary. 391 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.759 It was a real treasure troven. Actually, those diaries were 392 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:36.359 found in a drawer by Ted Kirgan, who was in 393 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:40.200 the apartment during the search in Las Vegas. Wow. 394 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:46.759 Along with the entries that seem to be incriminating and 395 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:51.599 certainly very very interesting and not completely known what they 396 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:58.079 can completely mean, they also are a portrait of this teenager, 397 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:01.680 you say, obsessed with their looks and so some other 398 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:04.519 things are in that diary too that point to her character, 399 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:05.039 don't they. 400 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:10.720 Yes, And point to the fact that she was the 401 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:14.440