Speaker 1: Kf I Am six point forty.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand on
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. If you listen to me during Later
Speaker 2: with Mo Kelly, my normal show from seven to ten
Speaker 2: pm here on KFI. But I appreciate the opportunity to
Speaker 2: talk about some different things with you. There's a lot
Speaker 2: that we need to discuss. We collectively, there are a
Speaker 2: lot of issues that impact us directly and indirectly, and
Speaker 2: hopefully I can give you just a little bit of
Speaker 2: a different take on this. Let me first say good
Speaker 2: morning to Heather Brooker. It's nice to be able to
Speaker 2: work with you.
Speaker 1: Heather. It's not often we get to work together.
Speaker 3: I know this is such a tree for me.
Speaker 2: Let's have some fun and also inform some people on
Speaker 2: the way and on the ones and twos. Elmer, what's
Speaker 2: happening to my friend? It's been a while since I've
Speaker 2: worked with you as well.
Speaker 1: How's it going.
Speaker 2: It's gone real well, So let's get to it. Two
Speaker 2: of the biggest stories right now in the United States
Speaker 2: have to do with floods. We know about the Texas flood,
Speaker 2: which is still in the rescue effort portion. You might
Speaker 2: have heard some audio, that we may not be in
Speaker 2: that rescue portion much longer and may move to recovery.
Speaker 2: That's the unfortunate reality where after a certain point, if
Speaker 2: you're not finding signs of life, optimism may fade. But
Speaker 2: the latest numbers that at least one hundred and nineteen
Speaker 2: people are confirmed dead and more than one hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty people remain unaccounted for, and this is according to
Speaker 2: Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and we know is in reference
Speaker 2: to the Camp Mystic tragedy the Girls Summer Camp. At
Speaker 2: least twenty seven campers and councilors die. I want to
Speaker 2: put a pin in that and just think about those
Speaker 2: individuals and think about their families and think about what
Speaker 2: they may be going through at this moment.
Speaker 1: I want to come right back to that. But we
Speaker 1: also now have.
Speaker 2: To deal with the New Mexico floods, in which three
Speaker 2: people were killed in southern New Maya, Mexico, after heavy
Speaker 2: rains fell. A middle aged man and two children aged
Speaker 2: seven and four died after being swept away by flood waters.
Speaker 2: In addition, dozens of people trapped in their homes were
Speaker 2: caught in fast moving flood waters were rescued by emergency crews.
Speaker 2: Not all bad news, some good news, and I want
Speaker 2: you to put a pin in this. Governor Michelle Grisham
Speaker 2: asked the federal government to send response teams and resources
Speaker 2: to help with repairs, and that's against the backdrop of
Speaker 2: a larger discussion of what FEMA's role is not only
Speaker 2: in these disasters, but as an agency going forward. You'll
Speaker 2: probably be familiar with what the President has said about
Speaker 2: FEMA and how he plans to eradicate the agency in
Speaker 2: the next calendar year. But I'll get to that in
Speaker 2: the next segment. I wanted to talk about Texas and
Speaker 2: New Mexico and the idea of tragedy and this ongoing
Speaker 2: discussion as far as what we should or shouldn't be
Speaker 2: talking about. If you exist in the online space like
Speaker 2: I do, you see the discussions some people are talking about, Hey,
Speaker 2: we should only be offering thoughts and prayers for the victims.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what happened, it doesn't matter why it happened,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who's to blame. It should be about
Speaker 2: praying for the victims and their families. That's generally one
Speaker 2: sentiment out there, and others will say, well, no, no, no, No,
Speaker 2: this happened for a reason. This happened to someone's negligence.
Speaker 2: This happened to someone's budget cutting. And that's another form
Speaker 2: of conversation out there, and seemingly they're competing. Now I'm
Speaker 2: going to tell you about what someone told me. His
Speaker 2: name is Carl McNair, and you may not recognize the name,
Speaker 2: but Carl McNair is a longtime friend of mine, known
Speaker 2: him for more than twenty years. Carl is the older
Speaker 2: brother of Ronald McNair, who pairished on January of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty six aboard the Challenger. And Carl and I have
Speaker 2: discussed that period of grieving and how he's dealt with
Speaker 2: the loss of his brother in a number of ways,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to share some of the things that
Speaker 2: he told me. He told me that there is room
Speaker 2: for simultaneous conversations because as he was mourning his brother,
Speaker 2: he was mourning, he was questioning what and why it happened,
Speaker 2: and also he wanted answers as to determining who was
Speaker 2: responsible for the events leading up to it. In short,
Speaker 2: he was saying, though, talking to me, you can have
Speaker 2: all these conversations at the same time. And we were
Speaker 2: talking maybe two weeks ago, because I'm helping him with
Speaker 2: the planning and preparation for events commemorating the fortieth anniversary.
Speaker 2: Imagine that forty years since Challenger exploded, but commemorating the
Speaker 2: forty years since Challenger and that disaster and all the
Speaker 2: memories and the emotions which come up in relation to it.
Speaker 2: But he was saying to me that there's room for
Speaker 2: these simultaneous conversations about what happened, making room for mourning,
Speaker 2: finding out why, assessing blame simultaneously, not one at the
Speaker 2: expense of the other. And here's something that he told
Speaker 2: me that made it all made sense today. What's different
Speaker 2: today as opposed to nineteen eighty six is people, by
Speaker 2: and large start start with a conclusion formed by an
Speaker 2: already established worldview, and then people work backwards from there
Speaker 2: to assess blame. In other words, you want to blame
Speaker 2: X or y person, be at the California fires, be
Speaker 2: at the Texas floods, be it the hurricane here or there,
Speaker 2: or the tornadoes. You start with a conclusion, and then
Speaker 2: you make sure that conclusion conforms to your worldview, and
Speaker 2: then you work yourself backwards to find the right person
Speaker 2: to blame to fit that worldview, you're not trying to
Speaker 2: find out what and why happened. You're trying to find
Speaker 2: a way to blame the right small r person for
Speaker 2: the circumstances involved. If it's the fires, blame local officials
Speaker 2: and the state governor. If it's the floods, blame the
Speaker 2: president and his cuts to federal agencies, including FEMA. That
Speaker 2: was what Carl McNair was telling me about how we
Speaker 2: as a country have shifted in how we look at tragedy.
Speaker 2: This is someone who lost his brother on Challenger. This
Speaker 2: is someone who had to grieve publicly for the whole
Speaker 2: world to see. This is someone who had to watch
Speaker 2: the investigations and in his words, why I can't say
Speaker 2: his words because there's certain things that he told me
Speaker 2: in confidence. Let me just say he told me and
Speaker 2: on this station back in January, that he never found
Speaker 2: out everything which happened with Challenger. The family's never found out.
Speaker 2: So oftentimes you're trying to grieve, you're trying to remain
Speaker 2: focused and understand, and you want those who are responsible
Speaker 2: to be held accountable.
Speaker 1: And he told me, mother.
Speaker 2: There's always room for these conversations simultaneously The problem is
Speaker 2: our intentions are not pure, our desires are corrupted by
Speaker 2: our own political biases. So if you get on social media,
Speaker 2: I know we got to go to break But if
Speaker 2: you get on social media and you say that this
Speaker 2: is not the time to assess blame, I will just
Speaker 2: tell you what someone told me and said, no, that's
Speaker 2: not true. If you can get to the heart of
Speaker 2: the matter, get to the heart of the matter. If
Speaker 2: you say that, well, we should only focus on the
Speaker 2: families who are grieving and offer thoughts in prayers, I'm
Speaker 2: sure Carl would say no, No, you could do both.
Speaker 2: You can offer thoughts in prayers to the family, but
Speaker 2: also be an instrument to help find out what happened
Speaker 2: and why it happened, and then correctly assess blame, not whimsically,
Speaker 2: not politically, but correctly and accurately. But that's just what
Speaker 2: Carl McNair told me. And he had to grieve in
Speaker 2: front of the world for years and documentaries and public
Speaker 2: discussions and conspiracy theories while he buried his brother and
Speaker 2: had to find out how to move forward. It's Gary
Speaker 2: and Shannon show mo Kelly, and for Gary and Shannon,
Speaker 2: we'll have more on this in just a moment k
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Speaker 2: And as we continue our conversation about the floods and
Speaker 2: the appropriate response not only in how we talk about it,
Speaker 2: but how we pursue making people hold, how we make
Speaker 2: sure that people are safe in these recovery and other
Speaker 2: efforts which are being applied right now, there is an
Speaker 2: emerging discussion, i should say, a continuing discussion about FEMA's role,
Speaker 2: about whether FEMA should even exist. And this is how
Speaker 2: I just happen to look at it. I look at
Speaker 2: FEMA and I love analogies or metaphors. FEMA to me
Speaker 2: is like car insurance. You have it around, you don't
Speaker 2: use it. By and large, you and other people pay
Speaker 2: into it. You don't want to use it, but in
Speaker 2: the event that you have to use it, you're glad
Speaker 2: that it's there. And states are like the deductibles states
Speaker 2: and that limited responsibility will pay the first portion, and
Speaker 2: then FEMA, the federal response, will pick up the rest
Speaker 2: of it. And there is a debate largely generated by
Speaker 2: our President. People weren't talking about eradicating FEMA prior to
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump making it a central issue. My question
Speaker 2: is can states And this is really not even theoretical
Speaker 2: or rhetorical question.
Speaker 1: There's an answer which needs to be given.
Speaker 2: Canned states actually handle all these natural disasters and also
Speaker 2: mayn made disasters on their own.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: If you want or expect Alabama or Missouri to be
Speaker 2: responsible for the lion's share of emergency services when we
Speaker 2: have tornadoes, I think we're putting ourselves in a very
Speaker 2: dangerous position. And you could talk about California and its fires,
Speaker 2: and you can say, well, California should have done this,
Speaker 2: or California should have done that. There are things that
Speaker 2: aren't California's responsibility. There were a lot of areas which
Speaker 2: caught on fire which were not state property.
Speaker 1: It was federal land.
Speaker 2: Are you saying that the federal government is not going
Speaker 2: to be responsible for federal land in an emergency.
Speaker 1: A lot of these conversations require nuance.
Speaker 2: But just in case you don't remember what the President
Speaker 2: had to say, let me just very quickly.
Speaker 1: Just reassess what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I think that he was saying that FEMA needed to
Speaker 2: be gone inside of a year and that all this
Speaker 2: should be on the shoulders of governors. But here is
Speaker 2: the longer clip, so you have some context. How soon
Speaker 2: do you want to see team eliminated and what's your
Speaker 2: message to the governments about how much florid expense it's
Speaker 2: going to fall as state the.
Speaker 5: I'm going to do so much to states. We're going
Speaker 5: to give out less money. We're going to give it
Speaker 5: out directly. It'll be from the President's office. We'll have
Speaker 5: somebody here, could be security, but we're going to give
Speaker 5: it out through a method where it's given out. As
Speaker 5: an example, I just gave out seventy one million dollars
Speaker 5: to a certain state. They were looking to do about
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty. They were very happy with the
Speaker 5: seventy one million. We did a little cutting and they
Speaker 5: were very happy with it.
Speaker 1: So we're going to do as much North Carolina.
Speaker 5: We think after this, Christie I say, after the hurricane season,
Speaker 5: we'll yes our Sally set.
Speaker 6: Up a FEMA council over the next couple of months
Speaker 6: will be working on reforms and what FEMA will look
Speaker 6: like in the future as a different agency as under
Speaker 6: the Department of Homeland Security to the President's vision, and
Speaker 6: it will empower governors to go out and respond to
Speaker 6: emergency situations. And that what the president does best is
Speaker 6: to make sure that the taxpayers are only fulfilling the
Speaker 6: need to which is appropriate, and that people are responsible
Speaker 6: to respond to their own people closest to home.
Speaker 5: So it's a certain state, as an example, gets hit
Speaker 5: by a hurricane, or to nick, that's what you know,
Speaker 5: governors should be able to handle it, and frankly, if
Speaker 5: they can handle it the aftermath, then maybe they shouldn't
Speaker 5: be governor.
Speaker 2: I wholeheartedly disagree. I whole heartedly disagree. You're saying that
Speaker 2: if a hurricane hits a state or multiple states, the
Speaker 2: governor is supposed to be able to handle it. How
Speaker 2: does one presume that you can handle a natural disaster?
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 2: Natural disasters don't come in one size. Natural disasters don't
Speaker 2: only impact one particular state. Natural disasters oftentimes overwhelm the
Speaker 2: services and resources of a given state. Let me give
Speaker 2: you just an example. I think all of us can
Speaker 2: relatively remember just if you're old enough. It's hard to believe.
Speaker 2: I have to ask this question, you know, are you
Speaker 2: old enough to remember? Nine to eleven. We're at that
Speaker 2: point where there are a lot of people who are
Speaker 2: probably listening who don't have an active memory of nine
Speaker 2: to eleven.
Speaker 1: But let's just say hypothetically, you're old like me.
Speaker 2: And you remember where you were on nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: You remember what happened to the state of New York.
Speaker 2: Are you saying, are you suggesting that a governor of
Speaker 2: a state like New York, if they were overwhelmed in
Speaker 2: a situation like that nine to eleven, that you would
Speaker 2: deem the governor incompetent or shouldn't be governor.
Speaker 1: I'm just going off with the President said if.
Speaker 2: They were overwhelmed and did not have the requisite resources
Speaker 2: available to deal with it. Now, I know what's politically
Speaker 2: expedient to say, well, Governor Gavin Newsom, he shouldn't be
Speaker 2: governor if he couldn't handle the fires. But a lot
Speaker 2: of the fires, if we look over the totality of
Speaker 2: less maybe five to ten years have been on federal lands,
Speaker 2: you're gonna blame the governor for the federal lands.
Speaker 1: I understand there were mistakes made somewhere along the way, and.
Speaker 2: That goes back to our conversation last segment about being
Speaker 2: able to mourn, being able to assess and blame at
Speaker 2: the same time. There's room for all of those conversations.
Speaker 2: But if you back yourself into a corner and say,
Speaker 2: if a state cannot handle a natural disaster, then you
Speaker 2: need to blame the governor. That's a very dangerous precedent.
Speaker 2: Given that we have earthquakes every year, given that we
Speaker 2: have tornadoes every year, given that we have hurricanes every
Speaker 2: single year, given that we have floods, come to think
Speaker 2: of it, every single year. Are you saying that Governor
Speaker 2: Greg Abbot is less of a governor because twenty seven children.
Speaker 1: That we know of have perished in the floodwaters.
Speaker 2: Are you saying that if this tragedy is beyond the
Speaker 2: resources of the governor of Texas, the Governor Abbot possibly
Speaker 2: should be held accountable because of only just the resources
Speaker 2: not being available. That's why you have the insurance policy.
Speaker 2: To go back to that analogy, and that's why you
Speaker 2: have the deductible. You have the states doing what they
Speaker 2: can and where they can how they can, right where
Speaker 2: they are, and then you have the federal government, hopefully
Speaker 2: theoretically come in and do what states can't do for
Speaker 2: themselves and Frankly.
Speaker 5: If they can handle it the aftermath, then maybe they
Speaker 5: shouldn't be governed.
Speaker 2: I don't know if those dots connect, because an act
Speaker 2: of God obviously usually possibly it's beyond the control of
Speaker 2: man as in humankind, and sometimes beyond our collective resources
Speaker 2: in a given state, and not all resources are created equal.
Speaker 2: California more resources, Louisiana fewer resources, What happens in Arkansas,
Speaker 2: what happens into a smaller and a smaller state. That's
Speaker 2: the whole idea of federalism, where you have the totality
Speaker 2: of the states, the federal government helping out those states
Speaker 2: which may be in need and have fewer resources. California
Speaker 2: the fourth largest economy in the world. It's not the
Speaker 2: same thing in California as it might be in Oklahoma
Speaker 2: or Iowa. Just something to think about. It's Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 2: I'm o Kelly in for Gary and Shannon kfi AM
Speaker 2: six forty. We are live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app
Speaker 2: but we have to talk about the Jeffrey Epstein files,
Speaker 2: which now do not exist, and there are no John's
Speaker 2: and there's no one to prosecute, and there's no list
Speaker 2: to share anywhere.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about that next.
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Speaker 2: Before I talk about Trump and Epstein, I'm going to
Speaker 2: back into it by asking some questions of some folks
Speaker 2: in the studio. Elma, who is the most famous person
Speaker 2: that you've met and taken a photo with?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: I've met some famous people, but I've never taken a
Speaker 2: photo with any.
Speaker 1: Okay, who have you met them? Just met? Ah?
Speaker 2: You need me to come back to you. Ye, Okay,
Speaker 2: I have the same question to you.
Speaker 3: This is difficult for me, but for a different reason
Speaker 3: because I have met so many pashtag bragging humble brag.
Speaker 1: No, that's okay, it is appropriate for this one.
Speaker 3: I would say Steve Carell is pretty high up there
Speaker 3: on the list the rock right, I would say, my gosh,
Speaker 3: any major like movie star in the last like ten
Speaker 3: years or so.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, no, that's a great starting point, and I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna humble brag, but it's it's to highlight a point.
Speaker 2: I've met dozens of stars and Academy Award winners over
Speaker 2: the years. If I went through my photo album and
Speaker 2: found all the pictures I could find the Mariah Carey.
Speaker 2: I could find a Janet Jackson, I could find a Beyonce,
Speaker 2: a Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, Jamie Fox, the Rock. And
Speaker 2: they are pictures of me with all of them. And
Speaker 2: there are pictures of me. Would President Obama, President Clinton,
Speaker 2: President George W.
Speaker 1: Bush. I have some great stories to tell.
Speaker 2: But if you were to put those in a collage
Speaker 2: and say, Aha, what's the common thread? If I, unfortunately
Speaker 2: were to be indicted for something, they would mean nothing.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm getting to.
Speaker 2: In the first segment, I talked about how people usually
Speaker 2: want to assess blame according to their political worldview. One
Speaker 2: way in which people do this is they use pictures.
Speaker 2: In the discussion of Jeffrey Epstein bringing it all together,
Speaker 2: people will show a picture of Epstein with this person,
Speaker 2: show a picture of Donald Trump and that person, and
Speaker 2: or Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Well, they'll show Harvey
Speaker 2: Weinstein and Oprah Winfrey. You know what I mean, what
Speaker 2: I mean and where I'm going with this. The pictures
Speaker 2: don't mean anything. We just want to assess blame. And
Speaker 2: I'm quite sure you could find me in pictures with
Speaker 2: all those people, and I would have no idea about
Speaker 2: their sexual history, their predilections, and vice versa. We don't
Speaker 2: know these people, and we don't know what goes on
Speaker 2: in their bedroom. And there has been a haste, a rush,
Speaker 2: an obsession with Jeffrey Epstein and trying to ascribe blame
Speaker 2: to anyone seen with him or quote unquote link to him.
Speaker 2: I have no idea who the Johns are my phraseology.
Speaker 1: I don't know who was on this supposed Epstein list.
Speaker 2: We've seen flight logs, okay, I've been on flights with
Speaker 2: Janet Jackson, for example.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I.
Speaker 2: Know anything about her personal sex life. Sometimes we want
Speaker 2: to connect which are not there. Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
Speaker 2: There have been plenty of conspiracy theories surrounding him. There
Speaker 2: have been theories that there is an exclusive client list.
Speaker 2: I believe yes, there are obviously people who were involved
Speaker 2: in criminal behavior with Jeffrey Epstein, if only because Gilaine Maxwell.
Speaker 1: Is that how she pronounces her name, gi Laine.
Speaker 2: Gilaine Maxwell is in prison, presumably for the rest of
Speaker 2: her life, and Jeffrey Epstein would have been in prison
Speaker 2: for the rest of his life had he not killed himself.
Speaker 2: Regardless of people's conspiracy theories. But the question is did
Speaker 2: we get here of.
Speaker 1: Our own accord or were we told.
Speaker 2: That there was more to Jeffrey Epstein than there actually was?
Speaker 1: In other words, were.
Speaker 2: These just people of power or is it something more
Speaker 2: that people want to hide to protect the people of power?
Speaker 2: And here's something else. I know it might sound a
Speaker 2: little bit convoluted, but I'm going somewhere with this. Powerful
Speaker 2: people know powerful people. That should not be a surprise.
Speaker 2: The question is whether powerful people were literally in bed
Speaker 2: with the powerful people in trying to protect the powerful people.
Speaker 2: But we came to this administration, not to say this administration,
Speaker 2: because the Trump administration, the now Trump administration, told us
Speaker 2: that if and when Donald Trump was elected, he was
Speaker 2: going to release all the Jeffrey Epstein files.
Speaker 1: He placed that bar up there. Our level of expectation was.
Speaker 2: That upon election that we would learn about Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 2: we would learn about JFK, we would learn about MLK.
Speaker 1: That is what we were told.
Speaker 2: So we collectively as a country had a level of
Speaker 2: expectation that the government was holding something back, and if
Speaker 2: you don't deliver that, then it's going to feed the
Speaker 2: idea that there is some sort of conspiracy or there
Speaker 2: is some sort of cover up.
Speaker 1: I don't mind answering.
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on
Speaker 5: at Epstein at a time like this, where when having
Speaker 5: some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what
Speaker 5: happened in Texas, it just seems like a desecration.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't have
Speaker 1: it both ways.
Speaker 2: You can't tell us in one moment that if when
Speaker 2: I'm elected, we're going to find out what actually happened,
Speaker 2: you were going to release all the Epstein files. You
Speaker 2: can't have the same Attorney General Pambondi tell us on
Speaker 2: one hand, I have all the je Epstein files right
Speaker 2: here on my desk and hold up a binder, and
Speaker 2: then three weeks later you're saying, Department of Justice tell
Speaker 2: us that there are no Epstein files.
Speaker 1: To a reasonable.
Speaker 2: Person, that makes no damn sense. It's got to be
Speaker 2: one or the other. Gelay Maxwell is in jail, in prison.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was likely to go to prison. I know, Elm,
Speaker 2: I gotta go to break, but this is important. Got
Speaker 2: to get this off my chest. Those people are gonna
Speaker 2: spend the rest of their lives in prison for something
Speaker 2: that happened, that was done by someone at an island,
Speaker 2: and also in Florida, and also in New York. And yes,
Speaker 2: the public doesn't necessarily have a right to know.
Speaker 1: We can file a Freedom of Information Act.
Speaker 2: We didn't have a right to know, but damn it,
Speaker 2: we were told that we were going to know. You
Speaker 2: told us that there was a list. You told us
Speaker 2: that you were gonna release all the information and on
Speaker 2: the files. You told us that we're gonna find out
Speaker 2: all the names, whether it actually included Bill Clinton, whether
Speaker 2: it actually included stars and other celebrities.
Speaker 1: You told us that.
Speaker 2: So it's reasonable to be upset at this point as
Speaker 2: to why, all of a sudden none of that exists.
Speaker 2: It'd be one thing if you didn't honor your promise,
Speaker 2: but this is a one hundred hundred and eighty degree turn.
Speaker 2: You went from We're gonna tell you everything to there's
Speaker 2: no to tell.
Speaker 4: You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
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Speaker 2: You can hit me on social media. Some people already
Speaker 2: have at mister mo Kelly. Some people have found me
Speaker 2: on Instagram and they're expressing themselves in you know the
Speaker 2: ways that they think they know. How now, I have
Speaker 2: not been disrespectful to you, So why would you be
Speaker 2: disrespectful to me?
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. I don't get it anyhow.
Speaker 2: This comes from Jeremy Leeb at Jeremy Leeb on Instagram.
Speaker 1: He says, you suck bro. I'm not your bro.
Speaker 2: Stop being so biased bias about politics.
Speaker 1: We get it.
Speaker 2: You love Joe Biden, but you're spilling a bunch of misinformation.
Speaker 1: It's sad.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Lee, First, thank you for your note, but uh,
Speaker 2: I have yet to talk about politics.
Speaker 1: I talked about the floods.
Speaker 2: I talked about how the president wanted to close FEMA,
Speaker 2: which is accurate.
Speaker 1: I talked about how.
Speaker 2: People want to rush to blame according to their worldview.
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 2: Have yet to even express any type of like of
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, much less love. And the word is biased,
Speaker 2: b I a s ed. Stop being so biased. If
Speaker 2: you're gonna insult me, at least use the correct conjugation
Speaker 2: of the of the word. Okay, it's biased, not biased.
Speaker 2: It just helps the power of your insult if you
Speaker 2: at least get that portion correct. But you know, thank
Speaker 2: you very much for your note, let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: And I was making the point just because you see
Speaker 2: a picture of someone, and I use the example of
Speaker 2: Donald Trump in the fitth of Donald Trump Jeremy Leeb,
Speaker 2: just because you see a picture of someone, it does
Speaker 2: not indict or implicate someone. Think about all the pictures
Speaker 2: you of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, and I have
Speaker 2: to remind people pictures don't mean anything.
Speaker 1: Powerful people know powerful people.
Speaker 2: You go to an award show, all the famous people
Speaker 2: take pictures with all the famous people. That's what they do.
Speaker 2: But talking about why Jeffrey Epstein is an issue right now,
Speaker 2: I make the point the level of expectation was set
Speaker 2: by only Donald Trump in his administration. Pam Bondy was
Speaker 2: the only person talking about we're going to release the
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein files. I wish you were someone else, but
Speaker 2: she was the only one.
Speaker 1: You call that misinformation, it's just a fact.
Speaker 2: She was holding up the binder talking about I have
Speaker 2: all the Jeffrey Epstein files right here on my desk.
Speaker 1: That's setting level of expectations.
Speaker 2: And if you happen to be of the opinion that
Speaker 2: that's unaccept that now people are saying in the same administration,
Speaker 2: Pambondi and also President Trump has said, basically in so
Speaker 2: many words, to move on, that we're not going to
Speaker 2: talk about this anymore.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, bro, you're all were the only
Speaker 1: ones talking about it.
Speaker 2: You told us that this was going to be released,
Speaker 2: you said you had the files, and now you're saying
Speaker 2: there are no files. That's just a statement of fact.
Speaker 2: Is what you said before, and that's what you're saying now.
Speaker 2: It's just a statement of fact that is on the
Speaker 2: public record. Me personally, I don't care one way or
Speaker 2: the other. I just believe, because you have powerful people
Speaker 2: who will always protect powerful people, that we will never
Speaker 2: know the full truth.
Speaker 1: I said this in the first statement.
Speaker 2: I was talking about my friend Carl McNair and the
Speaker 2: whole Challenger disaster.
Speaker 1: He told me just last month.
Speaker 2: Forty years later, he still doesn't believe he'll ever find
Speaker 2: out the truth regarding the Challenger disaster. Forty years later.
Speaker 2: Powerful people protect powerful people. I don't know who's on
Speaker 2: this Jeffrey Epstein client list. I do believe, as a
Speaker 2: rational person and a reasonable person that Geley Maxwell would
Speaker 2: not be in prison right now unless there were a
Speaker 2: client list, because she was the facilitator, she was the
Speaker 2: go between, she was the madam if you will. Somebody
Speaker 2: was doing something with someone which was illegal, which led
Speaker 2: to Gelay Maxwell being put in prison.
Speaker 1: So there is a list.
Speaker 2: I'm quite sure Geley Maxwell had a list of her
Speaker 2: frequent clients, people that required her to preserve their anonymity,
Speaker 2: preserve their privacy. It wasn't like someone could just open
Speaker 2: a yellow with they had back in the day, or
Speaker 2: the White Pages, or just somehow just call for one
Speaker 2: and say, hey, can I come on over to Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein's and hang out for a while.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't like that.
Speaker 2: It clearly was a small society of people who knew
Speaker 2: and knew how to contact her and knew what to
Speaker 2: do to do whatever criminal thing that they were trying
Speaker 2: to do. That's known to the federal government because it
Speaker 2: had to be part of the evidence.
Speaker 1: A reasonable person knows that.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to tell you, Jeremy Leeb and anyone else.
Speaker 2: The expectations were set by Pam Bondi. The expectations were
Speaker 2: set by a campaigning Donald Trump, who said, I would
Speaker 2: release the Epstein files. I would release the MLK files.
Speaker 2: I will release the JFK files. I didn't say that
Speaker 2: he did. And when you set the expectations that high
Speaker 2: and you not only deliver on them and you go
Speaker 2: in the other direction, that that is a problem that
Speaker 2: you yourself have created. I personally never expected to see
Speaker 2: any of this, and I'm not in any way disappointed
Speaker 2: because low expectations, no disappointments. It's Gary and Shannon mo Kelly.
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