WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:02.560 Kf I Am six point forty. 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:05.919 You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand on 3 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:12.880 the iHeartRadio app. If you listen to me during Later 4 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:15.199 with Mo Kelly, my normal show from seven to ten 5 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:18.920 pm here on KFI. But I appreciate the opportunity to 6 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:22.600 talk about some different things with you. There's a lot 7 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:26.239 that we need to discuss. We collectively, there are a 8 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:30.600 lot of issues that impact us directly and indirectly, and 9 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:32.200 hopefully I can give you just a little bit of 10 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:35.520 a different take on this. Let me first say good 11 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:37.520 morning to Heather Brooker. It's nice to be able to 12 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:37.920 work with you. 13 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:39.520 Heather. It's not often we get to work together. 14 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:41.640 I know this is such a tree for me. 15 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:44.640 Let's have some fun and also inform some people on 16 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:46.799 the way and on the ones and twos. Elmer, what's 17 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:48.320 happening to my friend? It's been a while since I've 18 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:49.119 worked with you as well. 19 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:50.280 How's it going. 20 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:54.000 It's gone real well, So let's get to it. Two 21 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:57.600 of the biggest stories right now in the United States 22 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:00.960 have to do with floods. We know about the Texas flood, 23 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:06.120 which is still in the rescue effort portion. You might 24 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:08.640 have heard some audio, that we may not be in 25 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.959 that rescue portion much longer and may move to recovery. 26 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.560 That's the unfortunate reality where after a certain point, if 27 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:20.480 you're not finding signs of life, optimism may fade. But 28 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:22.959 the latest numbers that at least one hundred and nineteen 29 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:26.799 people are confirmed dead and more than one hundred and 30 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.840 sixty people remain unaccounted for, and this is according to 31 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:35.439 Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and we know is in reference 32 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:39.120 to the Camp Mystic tragedy the Girls Summer Camp. At 33 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:43.519 least twenty seven campers and councilors die. I want to 34 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.000 put a pin in that and just think about those 35 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:50.280 individuals and think about their families and think about what 36 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:51.840 they may be going through at this moment. 37 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:54.319 I want to come right back to that. But we 38 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:55.239 also now have. 39 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:58.519 To deal with the New Mexico floods, in which three 40 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.120 people were killed in southern New Maya, Mexico, after heavy 41 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:05.159 rains fell. A middle aged man and two children aged 42 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:09.280 seven and four died after being swept away by flood waters. 43 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:13.039 In addition, dozens of people trapped in their homes were 44 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:18.159 caught in fast moving flood waters were rescued by emergency crews. 45 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:22.120 Not all bad news, some good news, and I want 46 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:25.080 you to put a pin in this. Governor Michelle Grisham 47 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:29.199 asked the federal government to send response teams and resources 48 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:33.360 to help with repairs, and that's against the backdrop of 49 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:37.800 a larger discussion of what FEMA's role is not only 50 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:42.919 in these disasters, but as an agency going forward. You'll 51 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:46.080 probably be familiar with what the President has said about 52 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:50.639 FEMA and how he plans to eradicate the agency in 53 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:54.560 the next calendar year. But I'll get to that in 54 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:58.919 the next segment. I wanted to talk about Texas and 55 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:04.319 New Mexico and the idea of tragedy and this ongoing 56 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:06.280 discussion as far as what we should or shouldn't be 57 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:09.280 talking about. If you exist in the online space like 58 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:13.199 I do, you see the discussions some people are talking about, Hey, 59 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:18.000 we should only be offering thoughts and prayers for the victims. 60 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.919 It doesn't matter what happened, it doesn't matter why it happened, 61 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.439 it doesn't matter who's to blame. It should be about 62 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:31.560 praying for the victims and their families. That's generally one 63 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:35.759 sentiment out there, and others will say, well, no, no, no, No, 64 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:40.159 this happened for a reason. This happened to someone's negligence. 65 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:44.639 This happened to someone's budget cutting. And that's another form 66 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:50.680 of conversation out there, and seemingly they're competing. Now I'm 67 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.960 going to tell you about what someone told me. His 68 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:56.840 name is Carl McNair, and you may not recognize the name, 69 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.759 but Carl McNair is a longtime friend of mine, known 70 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.120 him for more than twenty years. Carl is the older 71 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:10.000 brother of Ronald McNair, who pairished on January of nineteen 72 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:14.120 eighty six aboard the Challenger. And Carl and I have 73 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:19.199 discussed that period of grieving and how he's dealt with 74 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:21.720 the loss of his brother in a number of ways, 75 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:23.199 and I'm going to share some of the things that 76 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:28.879 he told me. He told me that there is room 77 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:34.480 for simultaneous conversations because as he was mourning his brother, 78 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.879 he was mourning, he was questioning what and why it happened, 79 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.839 and also he wanted answers as to determining who was 80 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.560 responsible for the events leading up to it. In short, 81 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:50.480 he was saying, though, talking to me, you can have 82 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:53.399 all these conversations at the same time. And we were 83 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.720 talking maybe two weeks ago, because I'm helping him with 84 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.639 the planning and preparation for events commemorating the fortieth anniversary. 85 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:06.000 Imagine that forty years since Challenger exploded, but commemorating the 86 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:10.680 forty years since Challenger and that disaster and all the 87 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:14.399 memories and the emotions which come up in relation to it. 88 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:17.160 But he was saying to me that there's room for 89 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:22.639 these simultaneous conversations about what happened, making room for mourning, 90 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:28.639 finding out why, assessing blame simultaneously, not one at the 91 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.800 expense of the other. And here's something that he told 92 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:36.600 me that made it all made sense today. What's different 93 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:40.759 today as opposed to nineteen eighty six is people, by 94 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:47.680 and large start start with a conclusion formed by an 95 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:53.120 already established worldview, and then people work backwards from there 96 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:56.600 to assess blame. In other words, you want to blame 97 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:01.199 X or y person, be at the California fires, be 98 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:05.600 at the Texas floods, be it the hurricane here or there, 99 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:10.560 or the tornadoes. You start with a conclusion, and then 100 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.360 you make sure that conclusion conforms to your worldview, and 101 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.000 then you work yourself backwards to find the right person 102 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.959 to blame to fit that worldview, you're not trying to 103 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:25.639 find out what and why happened. You're trying to find 104 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.800 a way to blame the right small r person for 105 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:34.639 the circumstances involved. If it's the fires, blame local officials 106 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.079 and the state governor. If it's the floods, blame the 107 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:45.160 president and his cuts to federal agencies, including FEMA. That 108 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:49.759 was what Carl McNair was telling me about how we 109 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:53.680 as a country have shifted in how we look at tragedy. 110 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:57.480 This is someone who lost his brother on Challenger. This 111 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.439 is someone who had to grieve publicly for the whole 112 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.279 world to see. This is someone who had to watch 113 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.399 the investigations and in his words, why I can't say 114 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:08.040 his words because there's certain things that he told me 115 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.279 in confidence. Let me just say he told me and 116 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:16.199 on this station back in January, that he never found 117 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:21.120 out everything which happened with Challenger. The family's never found out. 118 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.480 So oftentimes you're trying to grieve, you're trying to remain 119 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:30.279 focused and understand, and you want those who are responsible 120 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:31.560 to be held accountable. 121 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:33.040 And he told me, mother. 122 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:38.120 There's always room for these conversations simultaneously The problem is 123 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:43.959 our intentions are not pure, our desires are corrupted by 124 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.000 our own political biases. So if you get on social media, 125 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:49.240 I know we got to go to break But if 126 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.879 you get on social media and you say that this 127 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:55.279 is not the time to assess blame, I will just 128 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:57.040 tell you what someone told me and said, no, that's 129 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.519 not true. If you can get to the heart of 130 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:01.680 the matter, get to the heart of the matter. If 131 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.759 you say that, well, we should only focus on the 132 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.399 families who are grieving and offer thoughts in prayers, I'm 133 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.920 sure Carl would say no, No, you could do both. 134 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.160 You can offer thoughts in prayers to the family, but 135 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:19.560 also be an instrument to help find out what happened 136 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:24.240 and why it happened, and then correctly assess blame, not whimsically, 137 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:29.279 not politically, but correctly and accurately. But that's just what 138 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.200 Carl McNair told me. And he had to grieve in 139 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:37.440 front of the world for years and documentaries and public 140 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:43.960 discussions and conspiracy theories while he buried his brother and 141 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.000 had to find out how to move forward. It's Gary 142 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:49.360 and Shannon show mo Kelly, and for Gary and Shannon, 143 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:50.960 we'll have more on this in just a moment k 144 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:51.879 if I AM six forty. 145 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:53.559 We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. 146 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:57.600 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from 147 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.120 KFI AM six forty. 148 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:04.320 And as we continue our conversation about the floods and 149 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:07.480 the appropriate response not only in how we talk about it, 150 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:12.320 but how we pursue making people hold, how we make 151 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:17.679 sure that people are safe in these recovery and other 152 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:22.440 efforts which are being applied right now, there is an 153 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.840 emerging discussion, i should say, a continuing discussion about FEMA's role, 154 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:29.720 about whether FEMA should even exist. And this is how 155 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:31.759 I just happen to look at it. I look at 156 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:38.200 FEMA and I love analogies or metaphors. FEMA to me 157 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:43.679 is like car insurance. You have it around, you don't 158 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.639 use it. By and large, you and other people pay 159 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:51.639 into it. You don't want to use it, but in 160 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.679 the event that you have to use it, you're glad 161 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:00.559 that it's there. And states are like the deductibles states 162 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.960 and that limited responsibility will pay the first portion, and 163 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:08.600 then FEMA, the federal response, will pick up the rest 164 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:12.480 of it. And there is a debate largely generated by 165 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:16.879 our President. People weren't talking about eradicating FEMA prior to 166 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:22.639 President Donald Trump making it a central issue. My question 167 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:27.679 is can states And this is really not even theoretical 168 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:29.000 or rhetorical question. 169 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:31.679 There's an answer which needs to be given. 170 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:36.480 Canned states actually handle all these natural disasters and also 171 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.639 mayn made disasters on their own. 172 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:39.840 I don't think so. 173 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:44.240 If you want or expect Alabama or Missouri to be 174 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:49.720 responsible for the lion's share of emergency services when we 175 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:52.799 have tornadoes, I think we're putting ourselves in a very 176 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:57.440 dangerous position. And you could talk about California and its fires, 177 00:10:57.440 --> 00:10:59.360 and you can say, well, California should have done this, 178 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:03.559 or California should have done that. There are things that 179 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.360 aren't California's responsibility. There were a lot of areas which 180 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.679 caught on fire which were not state property. 181 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:11.960 It was federal land. 182 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:15.039 Are you saying that the federal government is not going 183 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:19.080 to be responsible for federal land in an emergency. 184 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:23.080 A lot of these conversations require nuance. 185 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:25.759 But just in case you don't remember what the President 186 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:28.720 had to say, let me just very quickly. 187 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.320 Just reassess what you're saying. 188 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.000 I think that he was saying that FEMA needed to 189 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:37.240 be gone inside of a year and that all this 190 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.960 should be on the shoulders of governors. But here is 191 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.639 the longer clip, so you have some context. How soon 192 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.559 do you want to see team eliminated and what's your 193 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.600 message to the governments about how much florid expense it's 194 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:50.840 going to fall as state the. 195 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:53.120 I'm going to do so much to states. We're going 196 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.120 to give out less money. We're going to give it 197 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.600 out directly. It'll be from the President's office. We'll have 198 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:01.759 somebody here, could be security, but we're going to give 199 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.879 it out through a method where it's given out. As 200 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:08.200 an example, I just gave out seventy one million dollars 201 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.960 to a certain state. They were looking to do about 202 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.360 one hundred and twenty. They were very happy with the 203 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:17.200 seventy one million. We did a little cutting and they 204 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:18.320 were very happy with it. 205 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:20.919 So we're going to do as much North Carolina. 206 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.600 We think after this, Christie I say, after the hurricane season, 207 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:26.120 we'll yes our Sally set. 208 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.519 Up a FEMA council over the next couple of months 209 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.440 will be working on reforms and what FEMA will look 210 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:34.480 like in the future as a different agency as under 211 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:37.879 the Department of Homeland Security to the President's vision, and 212 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.240 it will empower governors to go out and respond to 213 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:45.279 emergency situations. And that what the president does best is 214 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:49.120 to make sure that the taxpayers are only fulfilling the 215 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.639 need to which is appropriate, and that people are responsible 216 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:54.799 to respond to their own people closest to home. 217 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.799 So it's a certain state, as an example, gets hit 218 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.360 by a hurricane, or to nick, that's what you know, 219 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:02.600 governors should be able to handle it, and frankly, if 220 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:06.879 they can handle it the aftermath, then maybe they shouldn't 221 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:07.240 be governor. 222 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.759 I wholeheartedly disagree. I whole heartedly disagree. You're saying that 223 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.759 if a hurricane hits a state or multiple states, the 224 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.320 governor is supposed to be able to handle it. How 225 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.200 does one presume that you can handle a natural disaster? 226 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:24.440 Not? 227 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:29.360 Natural disasters don't come in one size. Natural disasters don't 228 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:36.320 only impact one particular state. Natural disasters oftentimes overwhelm the 229 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:39.679 services and resources of a given state. Let me give 230 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.639 you just an example. I think all of us can 231 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:46.960 relatively remember just if you're old enough. It's hard to believe. 232 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:49.039 I have to ask this question, you know, are you 233 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:51.480 old enough to remember? Nine to eleven. We're at that 234 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.399 point where there are a lot of people who are 235 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.720 probably listening who don't have an active memory of nine 236 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:56.200 to eleven. 237 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.759 But let's just say hypothetically, you're old like me. 238 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.879 And you remember where you were on nine to eleven, 239 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.840 You remember what happened to the state of New York. 240 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:11.000 Are you saying, are you suggesting that a governor of 241 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.679 a state like New York, if they were overwhelmed in 242 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.120 a situation like that nine to eleven, that you would 243 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:21.240 deem the governor incompetent or shouldn't be governor. 244 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:24.559 I'm just going off with the President said if. 245 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.039 They were overwhelmed and did not have the requisite resources 246 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:32.600 available to deal with it. Now, I know what's politically 247 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:36.200 expedient to say, well, Governor Gavin Newsom, he shouldn't be 248 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:38.440 governor if he couldn't handle the fires. But a lot 249 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:41.200 of the fires, if we look over the totality of 250 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.399 less maybe five to ten years have been on federal lands, 251 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.159 you're gonna blame the governor for the federal lands. 252 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:51.759 I understand there were mistakes made somewhere along the way, and. 253 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:54.639 That goes back to our conversation last segment about being 254 00:14:54.679 --> 00:15:01.080 able to mourn, being able to assess and blame at 255 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.960 the same time. There's room for all of those conversations. 256 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.440 But if you back yourself into a corner and say, 257 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:12.120 if a state cannot handle a natural disaster, then you 258 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:15.840 need to blame the governor. That's a very dangerous precedent. 259 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:19.200 Given that we have earthquakes every year, given that we 260 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.759 have tornadoes every year, given that we have hurricanes every 261 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.120 single year, given that we have floods, come to think 262 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:29.120 of it, every single year. Are you saying that Governor 263 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:36.000 Greg Abbot is less of a governor because twenty seven children. 264 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.399 That we know of have perished in the floodwaters. 265 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.720 Are you saying that if this tragedy is beyond the 266 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:47.720 resources of the governor of Texas, the Governor Abbot possibly 267 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:52.000 should be held accountable because of only just the resources 268 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:55.399 not being available. That's why you have the insurance policy. 269 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:57.720 To go back to that analogy, and that's why you 270 00:15:57.759 --> 00:15:59.799 have the deductible. You have the states doing what they 271 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.039 can and where they can how they can, right where 272 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:04.960 they are, and then you have the federal government, hopefully 273 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:09.200 theoretically come in and do what states can't do for 274 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:10.759 themselves and Frankly. 275 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:14.399 If they can handle it the aftermath, then maybe they 276 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:15.240 shouldn't be governed. 277 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:20.000 I don't know if those dots connect, because an act 278 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:25.799 of God obviously usually possibly it's beyond the control of 279 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:30.799 man as in humankind, and sometimes beyond our collective resources 280 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:35.639 in a given state, and not all resources are created equal. 281 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:44.639 California more resources, Louisiana fewer resources, What happens in Arkansas, 282 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.840 what happens into a smaller and a smaller state. That's 283 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:50.639 the whole idea of federalism, where you have the totality 284 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.639 of the states, the federal government helping out those states 285 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:57.559 which may be in need and have fewer resources. California 286 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.080 the fourth largest economy in the world. It's not the 287 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:03.600 same thing in California as it might be in Oklahoma 288 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.880 or Iowa. Just something to think about. It's Gary and Shannon. 289 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.160 I'm o Kelly in for Gary and Shannon kfi AM 290 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.839 six forty. We are live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app 291 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.000 but we have to talk about the Jeffrey Epstein files, 292 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.680 which now do not exist, and there are no John's 293 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:23.039 and there's no one to prosecute, and there's no list 294 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:24.119 to share anywhere. 295 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:25.400 We got to talk about that next. 296 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.599 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from 297 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:31.279 KFI AM six forty. 298 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.559 Before I talk about Trump and Epstein, I'm going to 299 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.039 back into it by asking some questions of some folks 300 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:43.079 in the studio. Elma, who is the most famous person 301 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:46.119 that you've met and taken a photo with? 302 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:49.200 Wow? 303 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:54.400 I've met some famous people, but I've never taken a 304 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:55.680 photo with any. 305 00:17:55.960 --> 00:18:01.519 Okay, who have you met them? Just met? Ah? 306 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.079 You need me to come back to you. Ye, Okay, 307 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:07.160 I have the same question to you. 308 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:10.640 This is difficult for me, but for a different reason 309 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.039 because I have met so many pashtag bragging humble brag. 310 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:16.319 No, that's okay, it is appropriate for this one. 311 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.559 I would say Steve Carell is pretty high up there 312 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:25.079 on the list the rock right, I would say, my gosh, 313 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.160 any major like movie star in the last like ten 314 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:28.880 years or so. 315 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:32.319 Okay, Yeah, no, that's a great starting point, and I'm 316 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:37.000 not gonna humble brag, but it's it's to highlight a point. 317 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:41.839 I've met dozens of stars and Academy Award winners over 318 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.960 the years. If I went through my photo album and 319 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.240 found all the pictures I could find the Mariah Carey. 320 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:50.960 I could find a Janet Jackson, I could find a Beyonce, 321 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:58.400 a Denzel Washington, Halle Berry, Jamie Fox, the Rock. And 322 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:02.039 they are pictures of me with all of them. And 323 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.400 there are pictures of me. Would President Obama, President Clinton, 324 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:06.680 President George W. 325 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.440 Bush. I have some great stories to tell. 326 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.519 But if you were to put those in a collage 327 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:18.480 and say, Aha, what's the common thread? If I, unfortunately 328 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.440 were to be indicted for something, they would mean nothing. 329 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:24.680 Here's what I'm getting to. 330 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.359 In the first segment, I talked about how people usually 331 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:34.319 want to assess blame according to their political worldview. One 332 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:37.559 way in which people do this is they use pictures. 333 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:42.279 In the discussion of Jeffrey Epstein bringing it all together, 334 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:45.200 people will show a picture of Epstein with this person, 335 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:48.799 show a picture of Donald Trump and that person, and 336 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:53.119 or Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Well, they'll show Harvey 337 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:55.839 Weinstein and Oprah Winfrey. You know what I mean, what 338 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.039 I mean and where I'm going with this. The pictures 339 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:03.279 don't mean anything. We just want to assess blame. And 340 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:05.640 I'm quite sure you could find me in pictures with 341 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:10.039 all those people, and I would have no idea about 342 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:15.599 their sexual history, their predilections, and vice versa. We don't 343 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.240 know these people, and we don't know what goes on 344 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.119 in their bedroom. And there has been a haste, a rush, 345 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:29.000 an obsession with Jeffrey Epstein and trying to ascribe blame 346 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:34.359 to anyone seen with him or quote unquote link to him. 347 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:40.279 I have no idea who the Johns are my phraseology. 348 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:44.680 I don't know who was on this supposed Epstein list. 349 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:49.599 We've seen flight logs, okay, I've been on flights with 350 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:51.799 Janet Jackson, for example. 351 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:54.000 That doesn't mean I. 352 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:59.440 Know anything about her personal sex life. Sometimes we want 353 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:06.519 to connect which are not there. Jeffrey Epstein is dead. 354 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:10.759 There have been plenty of conspiracy theories surrounding him. There 355 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.680 have been theories that there is an exclusive client list. 356 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:20.240 I believe yes, there are obviously people who were involved 357 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:24.279 in criminal behavior with Jeffrey Epstein, if only because Gilaine Maxwell. 358 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:25.759 Is that how she pronounces her name, gi Laine. 359 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:29.720 Gilaine Maxwell is in prison, presumably for the rest of 360 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:32.599 her life, and Jeffrey Epstein would have been in prison 361 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.400 for the rest of his life had he not killed himself. 362 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:41.559 Regardless of people's conspiracy theories. But the question is did 363 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:43.640 we get here of. 364 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:47.640 Our own accord or were we told. 365 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:51.680 That there was more to Jeffrey Epstein than there actually was? 366 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:53.920 In other words, were. 367 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:57.880 These just people of power or is it something more 368 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.759 that people want to hide to protect the people of power? 369 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.599 And here's something else. I know it might sound a 370 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.640 little bit convoluted, but I'm going somewhere with this. Powerful 371 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:12.559 people know powerful people. That should not be a surprise. 372 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:17.039 The question is whether powerful people were literally in bed 373 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:22.160 with the powerful people in trying to protect the powerful people. 374 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:26.240 But we came to this administration, not to say this administration, 375 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.480 because the Trump administration, the now Trump administration, told us 376 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.160 that if and when Donald Trump was elected, he was 377 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.400 going to release all the Jeffrey Epstein files. 378 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:39.319 He placed that bar up there. Our level of expectation was. 379 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:43.160 That upon election that we would learn about Jeffrey Epstein, 380 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:47.480 we would learn about JFK, we would learn about MLK. 381 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:50.559 That is what we were told. 382 00:22:50.599 --> 00:22:52.599 So we collectively as a country had a level of 383 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:57.359 expectation that the government was holding something back, and if 384 00:22:57.400 --> 00:22:59.759 you don't deliver that, then it's going to feed the 385 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:02.519 idea that there is some sort of conspiracy or there 386 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:04.519 is some sort of cover up. 387 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:06.720 I don't mind answering. 388 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:08.640 I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on 389 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.359 at Epstein at a time like this, where when having 390 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.839 some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what 391 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:20.000 happened in Texas, it just seems like a desecration. 392 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:22.880 Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't have 393 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:23.519 it both ways. 394 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.519 You can't tell us in one moment that if when 395 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.119 I'm elected, we're going to find out what actually happened, 396 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:32.519 you were going to release all the Epstein files. You 397 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:36.519 can't have the same Attorney General Pambondi tell us on 398 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:39.480 one hand, I have all the je Epstein files right 399 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:42.039 here on my desk and hold up a binder, and 400 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:46.359 then three weeks later you're saying, Department of Justice tell 401 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:48.440