Speaker 1: Let's Tiger's Podcast, episode number four hundred and sixteen, post
Speaker 1: mortem of a thirty four to fourteen defeat to the
Speaker 1: New Zealand Warriors, joined by Nick and Gary.
Speaker 2: Nick. What's your one word?
Speaker 3: Very hard to come up with a clean one word, Eddie,
Speaker 3: very boring term. I guess deflating, especially after last week.
Speaker 3: You know, you get a little bit of a hope
Speaker 3: up after beating the Roosters and then felt very let
Speaker 3: down today. So just you know, as a quick I
Speaker 3: guess the indication of where I am. My street's got
Speaker 3: quite a few houses being built at the moment, and
Speaker 3: there's lots of nuts and bolts all over the road
Speaker 3: and nails, and quite often you drive past and you'll
Speaker 3: end up with a puncture. And it just feels like
Speaker 3: watching this team is constantly giving me punchers.
Speaker 2: Hello, you're one word?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Mine is similar to Nick. It's just exhausting.
Speaker 5: This team to support and follow is exhausting, Like it's
Speaker 5: really hard to keep coming back when we just do
Speaker 5: dumb stuff and play so poorly and so ill disciplined
Speaker 5: and so far below where the side that we have
Speaker 5: to put on the field should be playing. It is
Speaker 5: just so exhausting and frustrating.
Speaker 1: Joel's word, you guess the boys physicality. He also went
Speaker 1: with the word nine. He said, it's a disgrace that
Speaker 1: we've lost nine times in a row to the same opposition.
Speaker 1: And Steve just went with demolished. He said, that's what
Speaker 1: happened on both sides of the ruck today. I'll run
Speaker 1: through this submission from the West Tigers podcast for them.
Speaker 1: Nat Max seventy eight went with clunky, attack was clung
Speaker 1: every time we had decent field possession, Seek and destroy
Speaker 1: went with Dewey. He must go to thirteen next week.
Speaker 1: Taylor made a left center.
Speaker 2: Vozzi nine.
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Speaker 1: you for contributing.
Speaker 4: Bozzy.
Speaker 2: He just went with Appy.
Speaker 1: We've gone all in on him and we've got zero
Speaker 1: game plan around him. He went on to say ad
Speaker 1: needs to stay around around the ruck. Pushed the halves
Speaker 1: wider to roll. Taylor mays just strike center. Teddy s
Speaker 1: said Arduus lost the forward battle, lost first contact. We
Speaker 1: looked better with Hope, ad Leui, Sorry, Louis and Appy
Speaker 1: looked like reserve graders out there. Ke Wee Tiger said
Speaker 1: flat we were not up for the grind. Snake was bewildered.
Speaker 1: He said, he's bewildered because individ rules that spend all
Speaker 1: week training together look like they have no idea when
Speaker 1: they get on the field. Re signing Appy for two
Speaker 1: years looks like a big punt. Plunder Monkey said, out
Speaker 1: muscled Plenty was in the tigers favor today in regards
Speaker 1: to the team changes, with the Warriors missing some senior
Speaker 1: guys and us getting happy in Jerome back however, they
Speaker 1: belt at us all day Appy in Jerome common theme
Speaker 1: going here. Boys looked as flat as a day old lemonade.
Speaker 1: LFC Tiger was deflated. Anytime we get a chink of light,
Speaker 1: we diminish it. H O nine IQ. We lack so
Speaker 1: badly in this area of the game, Mike said regression.
Speaker 1: Apart from the first three minutes, there was not much
Speaker 1: to like. Rich ometer will pour two steps forward one
Speaker 1: point five steps back. That's why this is such a
Speaker 1: long proces s Tiger town SFS said, worrying, how can
Speaker 1: anyone explain the difference in cohesion attacking threat? He said,
Speaker 1: I went on to watch Power and Penrith game was
Speaker 1: a much higher standard. Awful truly and Tiger's eye went
Speaker 1: with typical, typical game after scoring the first try, flat
Speaker 1: lack of ideas, poor reads, out muscled bad refereeing, so
Speaker 1: he got the whole lot in there. Boys, I've morphed
Speaker 1: into Joel tonight. I've got three one word submissions.
Speaker 4: It's better than the seven he usually has.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've reduced I've done well. My first one
Speaker 1: is not actually a word, but you can picture it
Speaker 1: because I've got a favorite list of my emojis and
Speaker 1: they come up in order of the ones I've most used.
Speaker 1: Nick's already lost it now, but I'm thinking of the
Speaker 1: big turd with eyes that is the West. Well you're
Speaker 1: talking about, Nick, A huge turd with eyes is what
Speaker 1: I said straight after the game, So that is one
Speaker 1: of them. On a more serious note, I've gone with
Speaker 1: captains because I think I said to you boys during
Speaker 1: the week, it's time for our captains to start earning
Speaker 1: their money. And I was extremely disappointed by both their
Speaker 1: performances today. And my third one is mentality, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to get that into that a little bit later
Speaker 1: when we talk around the press conference and some of
Speaker 1: our performance today. But Nick, was it a big step
Speaker 1: backwards today or is it what's to be expected against
Speaker 1: the top full side away from home.
Speaker 3: Maybe a bit of both. Frustratingly, we seem to be
Speaker 3: muscled when we come up against the biggest, stronger teams,
Speaker 3: and I know Joel's physicality, would I think it wrung
Speaker 3: true today? You know, worries a big across the park.
Speaker 3: But one of the points you just made Eddie about leadership,
Speaker 3: I think maybe Jerome's a bit deflated, not just with
Speaker 3: you know where we're at, I guess with the Tigers
Speaker 3: as the season's going at the moment, but also off
Speaker 3: the back of Origin. I think he probably had a
Speaker 3: bit of an Origin hangover today. He just doesn't look
Speaker 3: like the same Jerome Lewie that I saw in the
Speaker 3: first sort of four to eight weeks of the comp
Speaker 3: when he was really coming out and screaming and jumping
Speaker 3: up and down and high fiving everyone as he ran
Speaker 3: out through the tunnel we know when he first ran
Speaker 3: into the field. Just looks a different player, happy, looks beaten.
Speaker 3: In the press conferences, he just looks like he wants
Speaker 3: to go in a hole and hide it or cry.
Speaker 3: So it's just I think they're all deflated. I think
Speaker 3: everyone can see which direction the season's going, and unfortunately
Speaker 3: it's going down that toilet spend again, the same way
Speaker 3: it has gone for the last twelve to thirty years.
Speaker 2: Gary, what side of the ledger do you sit on?
Speaker 2: Top four?
Speaker 1: Side away? Excusable or big step backwards.
Speaker 5: No, you can't excuse that performance today at all. And
Speaker 5: I was a little bit I was a little bit
Speaker 5: disappointed with Benji's press conference and I think you're going
Speaker 5: to raise it a bit later. Yeah, I think we
Speaker 5: made too many excuse today for what was a really
Speaker 5: poor performance, really dumb performance. The amount of and I
Speaker 5: think Rats used the her one word as being IQ
Speaker 5: and the lack of footy IQ that our side displayed
Speaker 5: today was unforgivable. And everyone keeps on raising the word physicality.
Speaker 5: It comes down to one thing. We don't win the
Speaker 5: first contact. So we don't win the first contact when
Speaker 5: we have the ball, and we don't win the first
Speaker 5: contact when we're defending. And if you can't do that
Speaker 5: against the aside, like the Warriors, they're just going to
Speaker 5: steamroll straight through you and keep going straight through the middle,
Speaker 5: which is what we saw, especially in that second half
Speaker 5: to day. We never win that first contact, and if
Speaker 5: we want to be a serious team, then we need
Speaker 5: to start winning that first contact or our performances are
Speaker 5: going to be as inconsistent as what we're seeing at
Speaker 5: the moment. First contact is paramount for this team to
Speaker 5: get that sorted and get that sorted out really quick.
Speaker 1: Got a few bullet points written down here, boys, so
Speaker 1: we will touch on later. The forward pack. I want
Speaker 1: to single out three players in particular for different reasons.
Speaker 1: That's going to be our two captains and Adam Dewey,
Speaker 1: and there's a few other talking points. But Gary, you
Speaker 1: mentioned that press conference, and I've written a few things down,
Speaker 1: so it's not exact quotes, but it's close to the
Speaker 1: mark from what Benji said. He was another one who
Speaker 1: morphed into Joel. He said we were out physical. Credit
Speaker 1: to the boys that they fought hard.
Speaker 2: I've heard that before.
Speaker 1: Maybe scoring the try earlier, we thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be easier than what it was. We're better in moments,
Speaker 1: but we still need to improve. We're inconsistent within games.
Speaker 1: I've got to find out what makes players tick every week.
Speaker 1: Long term picture, we're on track. What did you make
Speaker 1: of that?
Speaker 5: There was a lot there, he said today that I
Speaker 5: don't agree with. As I said earlier. We were done
Speaker 5: and lacked in that first contact, and we lacked mentally
Speaker 5: and physically throughout that game today. And Benji also in
Speaker 5: that press conference praise the Warriors. The Warriors weren't that
Speaker 5: good today, like he said, they were a really good team,
Speaker 5: not what they put out on the field today. I
Speaker 5: didn't think they were anything outstanding.
Speaker 4: And I'm sick of the excuse.
Speaker 5: I'm sick of hearing that we're on an upward trend
Speaker 5: or things are going in the right direction. I think
Speaker 5: things probably are going in the right direction, but we're
Speaker 5: up and down all over the place. And that's the
Speaker 5: issue for me, the inconsistency from week to week throughout
Speaker 5: the game. That's Benji's job to fix, and he needs
Speaker 5: to get it fixed, because I've waited long enough, like
Speaker 5: it's what's fifteen years will be soon that we haven't
Speaker 5: played finals football. We need to get this sorted out,
Speaker 5: and it needs to happen quick, and it's based around
Speaker 5: at times today you haven't got that first try of
Speaker 5: the Warrior squad, and I'm ranting and wandering all over
Speaker 5: the track, all over the place at the moment.
Speaker 4: But that first try the Warrior scored.
Speaker 5: Today, where he was able to run around just about
Speaker 5: under the post to score a try that they scored
Speaker 5: from a couple of meters out.
Speaker 4: That should never ever happen. You should not.
Speaker 5: That to me shows a lack of intent and a
Speaker 5: lack of intensity. And I turned to Steve when it
Speaker 5: happened and I said, I'm really worried about that.
Speaker 4: That's not a good sign. And they're the.
Speaker 5: Things that we need to improve. They're the things we're
Speaker 5: hoping that would improve when we brought a guy like
Speaker 5: Jerome Loui into the club who was going to lift
Speaker 5: up the standards of the team. But before that first try,
Speaker 5: he stepped in front of a player off a bomb
Speaker 5: and I got done for an escort penalty that wasn't
Speaker 5: needed and was just a dumb play. There was far
Speaker 5: too many dumb plays, far too many low effort plays,
Speaker 5: and the standards that I was hoping that Lui was
Speaker 5: going to set at our club, they were non existent today,
Speaker 5: and that's something we need to get sorted out.
Speaker 2: Nick.
Speaker 1: Your takeaways from the press conference, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've seen it, but I've given you enough quotes there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did watch it, and I mean think Gary's
Speaker 3: covered at all the fact that the one thing that
Speaker 3: wrapped me the wrong way is what Gary already said
Speaker 3: that Benji praised the Warriors for being such a good team,
Speaker 3: and I think he's just sort of pumping them up
Speaker 3: a little bit to cover or you know, throw a
Speaker 3: smoke screen against how bad or how poor we were.
Speaker 3: So you know, you can't make excuses for poor performances,
Speaker 3: especially when it happens so frequently. So like I said,
Speaker 3: you know, I had my hopes up last week. I
Speaker 3: thought we came out quite strongly last week and that
Speaker 3: showed on the scoreboard. Yes, we fell away a little
Speaker 3: bit when we hit that lead because we didn't know
Speaker 3: how to actually go on and win that game the
Speaker 3: way the good team would or should. But yeah, today
Speaker 3: was a complete, complete, you know, turn around from that.
Speaker 3: You know, we led after what two minutes we scored
Speaker 3: that first tray out in the corner. Scotton was jumping
Speaker 3: around like good won the Grand Final and made the
Speaker 3: finals already, and then only a handful of minutes later
Speaker 3: the Warriors scored. Like Gary said, it was soft. I
Speaker 3: thought anytime the Warriors today through any type of shape
Speaker 3: at our back line, we just looked like we're going
Speaker 3: into our shells. We didn't know how to handle it.
Speaker 3: We looked scattered at times in defense, and it was
Speaker 3: just it was too easy. So, you know, I know
Speaker 3: we've got some possibilities of who we might be able
Speaker 3: to bring up from the reserve grade team, but we
Speaker 3: look like a reserve grade team at times for me today.
Speaker 5: The reason why we were unable to handle that shape
Speaker 5: they threw out us today. A lot of times we
Speaker 5: just were out numbered on those that side of the field.
Speaker 5: It wasn't that they were stripping us with numbers, was
Speaker 5: that the numbers weren't there to start with, And a
Speaker 5: lot of that came down because the Warriors were punching
Speaker 5: through the middle so much and our middle was collapsing
Speaker 5: at times. It looked like we almost miscounted the amount
Speaker 5: of space they had out on that left edge especially.
Speaker 5: I think it just was unforgivable today, and I don't understand, like,
Speaker 5: I really don't understand why we're so short so many
Speaker 5: times out there because the shape they ran today wasn't
Speaker 5: anything amazing, Like they didn't have to do a lot
Speaker 5: to score those tries because there was just no one there.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on without defense. It looks
Speaker 3: like to me at times, we make a lot of
Speaker 3: really poor defensive decisions. And I watched I'm the saddest.
Speaker 3: I watched the highlights before we jumped on his pod,
Speaker 3: just to try and I don't get a few of
Speaker 3: the moments back fresh in my mind. But a few
Speaker 3: times I saw a Skelton come in and commit to it,
Speaker 3: you know, a defensive move, or commit to an attacker
Speaker 3: when he probably should have stayed out. So to would
Speaker 3: do it as well. So I don't know whether they're
Speaker 3: not trusting the people inside them or just panicing trying
Speaker 3: to shut it down too quickly. But it just looks messy.
Speaker 3: And yeah, as he said, it just made it so
Speaker 3: easy for the warriors. Strip numbers happened too frequently. It's
Speaker 3: not good enough. It's not Enter or Cordy.
Speaker 1: All right, Gary, it's time for my rant tonight. I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to host to night, but I was going
Speaker 1: to say, Joel, I need to come on for ten minutes.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to qualify this by saying three things
Speaker 1: about Benji. I think in general, over his eighteen months
Speaker 1: He's dealt with the press really well through some hard times.
Speaker 1: You know, I think his selections in general make sense
Speaker 1: a lot of the time. The second qualifier is that
Speaker 1: was a home press conference for him over in New Zealand,
Speaker 1: and he is a godlike figure over there, so there's
Speaker 1: no doubt he was interacting different with those journalists than
Speaker 1: he would to the Sydney meet. And I think that's
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give him a pass with the
Speaker 1: amount of praise he gave the Warriors, but he also
Speaker 1: talked about the crowd and you know, it was like
Speaker 1: we were playing against God over there. So I give
Speaker 1: him half a pass for that, and I three, I
Speaker 1: still want him to be our coach next season because
Speaker 1: I think he has made some improvements.
Speaker 2: He's improved our roster. But but that was a ghastly
Speaker 2: press conference.
Speaker 1: That was an awful press conference, and his mood reflected
Speaker 1: how the team played today. And that's why I use
Speaker 1: the word mentality. His mentality when he played, he was
Speaker 1: not consistent. He was a brilliant player, Benji Marshall, but
Speaker 1: he was not a consistent player. And I've highlighted Gary
Speaker 1: what's happened after our last four wins all right. After
Speaker 1: we beat Newcastle, we turned it up against Paramatta and
Speaker 1: got spanked on Easter Monday, and what was a huge
Speaker 1: game for the club after our win against the Sharks,
Speaker 1: we actually won, but trendous against the Dragons. They had
Speaker 1: twelve line breaks to two. Should have lost except for
Speaker 1: that lunatic from the Dragons who dropped the ball over
Speaker 1: the line and ball around one hundred and ten meters.
Speaker 1: So then after two wins in a row, we went
Speaker 1: and got pumped sixty four niel by Melbourne and looked
Speaker 1: like we completely didn't care, didn't want to be there.
Speaker 1: And then after this, lads, we know with the Roosters,
Speaker 1: we go and get pumped in what was a flattering scoreline.
Speaker 1: I mean it was extremely flattering with eight minutes to
Speaker 1: go thirty four to fourteen. I still thought was flattering
Speaker 1: for the way we played. But then at the end
Speaker 1: of the press conference, you know he's laughing about I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm saying my eulogy here, Like I don't
Speaker 1: want to see my head coach laughing in a press
Speaker 1: conference after we got pumped. It's not the place to
Speaker 1: do it, you know, I know there's time for a
Speaker 1: laugh in a grueling season with the media, but it's
Speaker 1: not the time when you've just got pumped because you're
Speaker 1: sending a message to the players, you're sending a message
Speaker 1: to your fans, and you're sending a message to everyone
Speaker 1: that this is all right. We got beaten by a
Speaker 1: top four side. It's a great crowd out here to
Speaker 1: New Zealand. Well done to the Warriors. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was a borderline pathetic press conference by Benji Marshall,
Speaker 1: and I'm really concerned Gary about that. I thought it was,
Speaker 1: to be fair, it's an outlier of what he's produced
Speaker 1: this year, and I know it's going off the media,
Speaker 1: but I was alarmed watching that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get at times in those press conferences you
Speaker 5: want to speak differently to the press how you're speaking
Speaker 5: to your team. So at times during press conferences you
Speaker 5: want to paint up the positives and then when you
Speaker 5: go back behind closed doors, you speak to the team
Speaker 5: about what you really feel and give them the message.
Speaker 5: But today just simply wasn't good enough. And there's been
Speaker 5: too much of that this season. I think it was
Speaker 5: really time that that needed to be called out in
Speaker 5: a press conference. After that game today, I really thought
Speaker 5: I would have heard Benji say today.
Speaker 1: I was expecting that because we only got one or
Speaker 1: two of them in a year in you.
Speaker 5: But now's the time they needed. And it's not just
Speaker 5: the players that need to hear it. I think our
Speaker 5: fan base needs to hear that that sort of standard
Speaker 5: that we saw today is no longer acceptable at our club.
Speaker 5: That we're not going to talk anymore about us going
Speaker 5: in the right direction. We're going to call out. And
Speaker 5: I agree with you, Eddie, you don't do it every week,
Speaker 5: but I thought today was the day to call out
Speaker 5: that this is not good enough for our club, This
Speaker 5: is not good enough for our team, this is not
Speaker 5: the type of performance we want to see and where
Speaker 5: we will be better next week. But there was none
Speaker 5: of that today. I thought it was too It was
Speaker 5: too easy of a press conference compared to the performance
Speaker 5: that we saw today, and that, for me is what
Speaker 5: was disappointing. And it's really hard because I'm sure the
Speaker 5: players are feeling that rollerca so that we're all feeling,
Speaker 5: but we can't do anything about that. The players and
Speaker 5: the coaching stuff can do something about that. And I
Speaker 5: wanted to hear more from our coach after that game
Speaker 5: than what he actually dished up this afternoon.
Speaker 3: I think it's really clear that and app he said,
Speaker 3: you know during that press conference, you know that you know,
Speaker 3: we love him, you talk about Benji and will do
Speaker 3: anything for him, blah blah blah. He's obviously extremely well
Speaker 3: respected by the playing group, and he's obviously extremely well respected,
Speaker 3: like the commentary said, you know in New Zealand as
Speaker 3: a whole, and that those journalists that came out to
Speaker 3: the press conference obviously treated him with a lot of respect.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's really hitting him hard enough with
Speaker 3: those questions, like they're sort of tiptoeing around it a bit,
Speaker 3: like you know, asking him questions how did you feel
Speaker 3: and how do you think you're going? And you know
Speaker 3: what's wrong and blah blah blah. But it was too soft,
Speaker 3: and I think Benji just feels like for me watching him,
Speaker 3: it's almost like he's elevated on his eyechair and he's
Speaker 3: just not being probed enough. You know, someone needs to
Speaker 3: hit him with a cattle prod in the butt and
Speaker 3: get more of a reaction out of him, because like
Speaker 3: all you're saying, Eddie, you know, Craig Bellamy wouldn't act
Speaker 3: like that at a press conference after his team put
Speaker 3: in a very average performance. So there's got to be
Speaker 3: more to it. And I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Gary.
Speaker 3: It's one thing to come out and talk about that
Speaker 3: in front of the media and maybe you will go
Speaker 3: behind closed doors and say it differently. But I don't
Speaker 3: know if he does. Does he like is he going
Speaker 3: in and ripping the team to shreds, because they deserve
Speaker 3: to be ripped to shreds. Some of those individual performances
Speaker 3: deserve to be pulled apart by the head coach. I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's happening or not, but it needs
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 5: That the players coming out and saying we respect the coach,
Speaker 5: we play for the coach is getting a little bit old.
Speaker 5: I think it's time that that is shown on the field,
Speaker 5: that that they go out there and they play in
Speaker 5: a way that shows that they're playing for Benji Mush
Speaker 5: because at times it doesn't look that way. At times
Speaker 5: it's just not the application and the effort is just
Speaker 5: not good enough at times. And I thought there are
Speaker 5: a number of occasions today where the application and the
Speaker 5: effort just wasn't good enough. So I don't think the
Speaker 5: players have too many more opportunities to say we love Benji,
Speaker 5: we respect him as a coach, we're playing for him.
Speaker 5: He's a great coach. I don't think they have too
Speaker 5: many more opportunities to say that, because they need to
Speaker 5: start showing it. They need to start showing it on
Speaker 5: the field because today, Yeah, if anyone can't tell, I'm
Speaker 5: very annoyed with what we dished up today.
Speaker 1: It's the thing Gary like that the words don't match
Speaker 1: the actions. And obviously there's two sides going out there competing,
Speaker 1: so there's always one side that's going to lose.
Speaker 2: So but like.
Speaker 1: It's all well and good to have, and you want
Speaker 1: a coach to have a strong relationship with their captains.
Speaker 4: But the.
Speaker 1: Scary thought I had today is is this club becoming
Speaker 1: a bit of a boys club? Because if he's not
Speaker 1: going to challenge Appy and Jerome And we don't know this,
Speaker 1: we're not in the walls of Concord, but I think
Speaker 1: they need to be challenged on what they dished up today.
Speaker 5: Our two captains, yeah, I don't think over them were
Speaker 5: good enough today. And there's a couple other things I
Speaker 5: want to raise about their play when we get a
Speaker 5: bit further into the pot as well. But their leadership
Speaker 5: I don't think was strong enough today. As I said earlier,
Speaker 5: I wasn't happy with the standards that Drome set out
Speaker 5: on the field today. I wasn't happy with that really
Speaker 5: dumb play of stepping in front of that player coming through.
Speaker 4: On the bomb.
Speaker 5: Those sort of things we need better from our captains,
Speaker 5: and I thought they'll both played quite poor today. But
Speaker 5: it's those standards I want to see from them that's
Speaker 5: what needs to improve for me.
Speaker 3: Talking about challenging players within the group, you know, there's
Speaker 3: obviously rumors that came out and depressed not long ago
Speaker 3: about Benji putting a bit of heat in a tackle
Speaker 3: on Adam Dewey. He's probably one player that's actually stood
Speaker 3: up recently and come out and shown what he can do.
Speaker 3: Like he was really impressive. I know, we'll talk about
Speaker 3: the game. He was really impressive today. He's been pretty
Speaker 3: good lately as a whole, but especially when they moved
Speaker 3: into the middle during that back after the game today,
Speaker 3: he really showed I guess what we've sort of been
Speaker 3: talking about, whether it could feel that lock position for
Speaker 3: a while. Yeah, he for me, he stood up. He
Speaker 3: looks like he's got some value still, so be interesting
Speaker 3: to see which way he goes at the end of
Speaker 3: this season.
Speaker 1: Let's hone in on the three individuals I mentioned before.
Speaker 1: We'll stick with Loui for now. Gary, and there's there's
Speaker 1: mitigating factors. He's coming off a huge Origin campaign, which
Speaker 1: is always mentally draining going across New Zealand, play a
Speaker 1: game four days later after you've lost a decider, and
Speaker 1: like we've all mentioned, the forwards were decimated today and
Speaker 1: I don't think any halfs probably would have won that
Speaker 1: game for their team. But in terms of his actual
Speaker 1: play at five eight, I'm still looking at it and
Speaker 1: going we look at disorganized. We don't know that people
Speaker 1: aren't on the same It's starting to concern me long term.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am starting to worry about his level of play.
Speaker 5: I've given him a fair bit of excuses myself this
Speaker 5: year for how he's been coming along. At first, it
Speaker 5: was that he was he was feeding Locky Galvin and
Speaker 5: that was taking him out of the game a little bit.
Speaker 5: And then then all the drama around Locky Galvin kind
Speaker 5: of I had in my mind that that was holding
Speaker 5: him back, but there's really I think he's kind of
Speaker 5: ran out of excuses. I think it's time that that
Speaker 5: level of play needs to go to another level. And
Speaker 5: and like he's a guy who's on one point three
Speaker 5: million dollars and we need better than what we saw
Speaker 5: from him today. We need we need more involvement than
Speaker 5: what we saw from him today. As a club, we
Speaker 5: can't afford to have Jerome's injecting himself in the game
Speaker 5: every now and then. We need his hands on the
Speaker 5: ball a lot, and we need a lot better decision
Speaker 5: making from him. Like he had a couple of really
Speaker 5: nice moments today. I thought that combination with Sam Feyin,
Speaker 5: who I think is coming along really nicely, and he
Speaker 5: was very close to putting him through a couple of
Speaker 5: holes the day. I thought the kick for the repeat
Speaker 5: set was a beautiful kick. But we need more of that.
Speaker 5: We need more of those stronger moments and a lot
Speaker 5: less of those moments where he crabs across the field
Speaker 5: and gets a little bit lost and kind of then
Speaker 5: runs around in a little bit of a circle. We
Speaker 5: need to get that out of his game and get
Speaker 5: the more direct play and those plays where he's linked
Speaker 5: up with Sam or he's putting in a nice kick.
Speaker 4: We need more of that, Nick.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's a fair point that Gary's making.
Speaker 1: Like the first month he's got excuses because he's adapting
Speaker 1: to a new system, new club, new combinations. Second month, Oh,
Speaker 1: Galvin's hogging the ball. He's getting seventy percent of the ball.
Speaker 1: Who is taking a step back because he's a great bloke.
Speaker 1: Next month he's playing Origin. Latu hasn't been there, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, are we being unfair here?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe it's hard to it's hard to really, Like
Speaker 3: I was very critical in it, you know, when I
Speaker 3: was speaking earlier about Leui unhappy, you know, and where
Speaker 3: our leadership was today. But just thinking about the game
Speaker 3: a bit more, you know, we got rolled up the middle.
Speaker 3: Like Gary said, we were well and truly beaten physically.
Speaker 3: You know, I thought their forwards dominated our team. Our
Speaker 3: forwards were quite soft, I thought, with exception of I
Speaker 3: thought Ciani Finer was brilliant. Again, I'm still not sure
Speaker 3: he was. He came off the bench, didn't He didn't
Speaker 3: start today. He came off the bench, Yeah, whereas I
Speaker 3: would be starting him. But when you look at our
Speaker 3: bench too, Tristan Hope, save farth Cioni and Jack Byrd.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because when I think about that Dog's game,
Speaker 3: I know Galvin was dropped just not long before the
Speaker 3: game started, But when I listened to Serrealo's press conference,
Speaker 3: he spoke about his reasons, and he thought he just
Speaker 3: wanted a bigger forward pack. He thought he wanted to
Speaker 3: go with four forwards against that Cowboys team because he
Speaker 3: thought they'd need to dominate a bit more up the middle.
Speaker 3: And to me, that's a smart move and a gutsy
Speaker 3: move too. But I don't know what we've got in
Speaker 3: the back pocket. I know Royce Hunt, I don't know
Speaker 3: how he went in reserves. Gary, do you've got any
Speaker 3: idea how Royce went.
Speaker 5: I didn't say the whole game. I've only seen highlights
Speaker 5: of it, so yeah, I don't know how to went today.
Speaker 3: So now, the last couple weeks, he's been pretty good
Speaker 3: and his stats have been a lot better, so maybe
Speaker 3: he's still on the nose. But and I know Steve
Speaker 3: said he's the type of player that we do need
Speaker 3: back in the team to provide a bit of impact,
Speaker 3: because I don't think we've got that impact apart from Sione,
Speaker 3: so c one's been coming on making immediate impact. I
Speaker 3: think he's first hit up today, run for about twenty meets.
Speaker 3: He just carried about four blocks, you know along my
Speaker 3: way pussy advantage line with him. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I want to give Jerome a little bit of a
Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt only because what is his second
Speaker 3: game with Latu, and Latwo's only a kid, He's only
Speaker 3: twenty years old and in his second full light in
Speaker 3: minute game of NRL. But it's worrying signs. And like
Speaker 3: I said earlier today as well, what have we got
Speaker 3: seven games left? So for me, it's seven games left
Speaker 3: to give the Fens some type of hope of what
Speaker 3: we might be able to see next year. Because if
Speaker 3: we're going into next season off the back of performances
Speaker 3: like today, and I'm very worried, I don't know what
Speaker 3: we can do to turn it around.
Speaker 1: Gary, there were varying levels of excitement when Jerome joined.
Speaker 1: They're also varying levels of concern around whether he could
Speaker 1: become a half back and the main man as he
Speaker 1: wanted to be now not through his fault, but I
Speaker 1: think it's obvious already that that number seven plan is
Speaker 1: out the window. Shane Richardson went after Adam Reynolds last two. Fine,
Speaker 1: who's now playing at halfback? Jerome's playing in the six.
Speaker 1: But my point is, are we asking him to do
Speaker 1: something that he hasn't done before? And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about even playing halfback. I'm looking at how he played
Speaker 1: at Penrith with that ball playing lock and we've got
Speaker 1: to look at it. In the last twenty five minutes
Speaker 1: today with Adam Dube, who's not Isaiah Yo. Please don't
Speaker 1: confuse him with that with Yo, but it all of
Speaker 1: a sudden seemed to straighten the team up. It got
Speaker 1: Jerome wider on that left probably less involved, but more
Speaker 1: quality to his touches. Is that the way forward?
Speaker 5: I think that move of Adam Dewey being put into
Speaker 5: that lock roll today during that game, I think that's
Speaker 5: the final kind of nail in the coffin of Loui
Speaker 5: being the halfback moving forward.
Speaker 4: I don't see.
Speaker 5: Him taking on that role and I one hundred percent
Speaker 5: believe that for the next couple of weeks we need
Speaker 5: to put Adam doing in that lock and see what
Speaker 5: he can do there. I think it's really important I've
Speaker 5: been crying out for a guy who can play thirteen,
Speaker 5: who can ball play for I don't know, for years now.
Speaker 5: I think it's been one of our biggest issues.
Speaker 1: It's also Gary come nearly the most important position. We're
Speaker 1: definitely the most important position outside the spine in the game.
Speaker 5: No, it's to the point now where I am almost
Speaker 5: at the point where you consider it as part of
Speaker 5: the spine. So an extra player in your spine, because
Speaker 5: I think it's that crucial Yo, as you said, shows.
Speaker 4: How important that role is at Penrith.
Speaker 5: The lock in sides that play that way, they play
Speaker 5: your traditional kind of seven role. It's a little bit
Speaker 5: different because they're you're looking for a bigger guy who's
Speaker 5: able to run the ball as well, who's able to
Speaker 5: push out one hundred one hundred and twenty meters a
Speaker 5: game meter ridge. But their ball playing and getting into
Speaker 5: first receiver is almost like a traditional halfback.
Speaker 1: YO.
Speaker 5: You could put in and play him as a halfback
Speaker 5: because that's the style of player he plays. So I
Speaker 5: thought we looked a lot better today when dew we
Speaker 5: went into that role. I thought Leui looked at his best.
Speaker 5: When when do we went into that role? I thought it,
Speaker 5: as you said, it straightened him up really nice. It
Speaker 5: gave him a little bit more space out wide, and
Speaker 5: I really want to see us do that moving forward.
Speaker 4: And it looked good today.
Speaker 5: But I also I'm fairly confident that's not something that
Speaker 5: we've trained with for training either. So I'm a little
Speaker 5: bit concerned that we're kind of adapting like that on
Speaker 5: the run and making those sort of changes. But I
Speaker 5: do want to see what this can look like if
Speaker 5: we do put him into that role. We do train
Speaker 5: with him in that role, and for me, I think
Speaker 5: this is an opportunity have a positioned for him to
Speaker 5: play in our club moving forward. I want to see
Speaker 5: over the next two weeks how he can go in
Speaker 5: that role, and then you look at signing him up
Speaker 5: for next year to play that thirteen role. I think
Speaker 5: it's really important, It's desperately needed. My only concern is
Speaker 5: how he handles that defensive workload in the middle. I've
Speaker 5: had concern as it's about his defense all through his career,
Speaker 5: and but let's put him in there for the next
Speaker 5: couple of weeks and see how he can handle that role,
Speaker 5: because it could work out to be a bit of
Speaker 5: a master stroke for us, because I thought we looked
Speaker 5: a much better team when he stepped into that role today.
Speaker 1: Nick, you praised his game earlier, I got to say, like,
Speaker 1: the manly game was probably our best. I thought he's
Speaker 1: probably our best today. Even even before he moved into
Speaker 1: the lock role, he was having a fairly strong game
Speaker 1: out the Center's had some couple of defensive lapses, I
Speaker 1: think early for one of their tries, but I think
Speaker 1: it's probably a no brainer the position we're in. We're
Speaker 1: not going to make the eight. Yes, we want to
Speaker 1: win every game, but I think we've got to try
Speaker 1: something to help to help Jerome and help our halves
Speaker 1: and get a little bit more nouse maybe in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field.
Speaker 3: It's a funny way. Yeah, it's a funny one, isn't it,
Speaker 3: Because you know, not that long ago, you know, Gary
Speaker 3: said he never doing the halves ever. Again, we stuck
Speaker 3: him out in the center, and you know, I agreed
Speaker 3: as well that I thought center was doing his best.
Speaker 4: I still don't want him in the halves, mate.
Speaker 3: No, no, fair enough. But last week he was pushed
Speaker 3: into the halves with Jerome out, and he played a really,
Speaker 3: really good game and he backed himself as a ball player,
Speaker 3: And I know that we've floated the idea of a
Speaker 3: thirteen for quite a long time and spoken about that
Speaker 3: many times on the pod, But I guess we've got
Speaker 3: a glimpse of it today. But yeah, maybe we can
Speaker 3: use these last seven games as an opportunity to have
Speaker 3: a look at him in that thirteen roll. Like you
Speaker 3: were saying, Gary, I don't know if i'd start him,
Speaker 3: because I think I'd rather take a bit of the
Speaker 3: heat out of the game or sting out of the game,
Speaker 3: and maybe bring him on off the bench. You could
Speaker 3: still plan for sixty minutes, sixty four, five minutes if necessary.
Speaker 3: He really did add a hell of a lot in
Speaker 3: our attacking game this afternoon. But I also think his
Speaker 3: defense is holding up. I didn't think he had it
Speaker 3: in him. I think he's gone to another level this
Speaker 3: year with his defense. Even when he was tackling in
Speaker 3: the middle. Today he looks really strong and probably a
Speaker 3: lot stronger than some of the people outside of him too.
Speaker 3: So whether he's happy to be at thirteen, I don't know,
Speaker 3: But you know it's worth a crack because I know
Speaker 3: that we've asked questions, where are we going to get
Speaker 3: a thirteen from You know, I was talking about heathering
Speaker 3: in from the Broncos, but I don't know what's happening
Speaker 3: with him. But like Steve said, we've got Dewey sitting
Speaker 3: there under our noses the whole time. You know, why
Speaker 3: not give him a crack? So it makes sense, you know,
Speaker 3: it makes sense.
Speaker 5: Look, if we're going to put him into that role,
Speaker 5: I think I'd probably be starting him. I know I've
Speaker 5: spoken about defensive issues, but we can't afford to have
Speaker 5: slow starts in games where we need to get our
Speaker 5: best side out there. We need to be taking advantage
Speaker 5: of any opportunities we have early, and I think playing
Speaker 5: him in that thirteen year ole probably gives us the
Speaker 5: best chance.
Speaker 4: To do that.
Speaker 5: The other thing I do want to raise around that
Speaker 5: first receiver sort of conversation is there was a number
Speaker 5: of times today where for some reason, we had Stafford
Speaker 5: Torre's first receiver on the right hand side of the field,
Speaker 5: and I found that really perplexing today that would have one.
Speaker 1: He could play five to eight months before for us.
Speaker 1: I know you're not saying suggesting that, but like maybe
Speaker 1: I just got a tactic.
Speaker 4: I just thought it was really odd, and I know.
Speaker 5: My only thoughts around it can be is we do
Speaker 5: that with Buller and maybe we're trying to generate a
Speaker 5: little bit of attack on that right hand side, a
Speaker 5: bit of a surprise attack. I don't know, but I
Speaker 5: found it really odd today that he was getting into
Speaker 5: first receiver on that right hand side a few times.
Speaker 1: I think it's obvious, even if it's not Adam Dewey Nick,
Speaker 1: that we need a ball playing lock like they can
Speaker 1: sort of be created, like guys like Delan Walker. People
Speaker 1: thought he was finished, but he's really valuable the way
Speaker 1: paramount of play. I was watching him play today. He's
Speaker 1: almost forced to play halfback with Mitch Moses not there,
Speaker 1: but it's perfect sort of link man, And I've just
Speaker 1: got this almost sinking feeling that, you know, Isaac Moses,
Speaker 1: the bird's flowing. If we want to keep doing like
Speaker 1: he's just employed Isaac Moses, he's going to be able
Speaker 1: to that performance today are garant like a guy playing
Speaker 1: for a contract. He's obviously hungry, he's playing well. He's
Speaker 1: now showed his versatile and potentially a lock for a
Speaker 1: side going forward, so he's not going to make it
Speaker 1: easy for us to re sign him or cheap.
Speaker 3: No, he's not like Steve mentioned you know this afternoon
Speaker 3: to us as well, it would be very like the
Speaker 3: West Tigers. Still, who's dee, he wouldn't it after he's
Speaker 3: showing potentially that he could slide into that lockroll. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it'd be annoying to lose him if we do. Geez Richer,
Speaker 3: I hope you've got something up your sleeve, mate, because
Speaker 3: Kype his paws are really good bye coming to the
Speaker 3: background next year. But yeah, thirteen, if he could fill
Speaker 3: that hole, then that's perfect for us. But if not, jeez,
Speaker 3: we've got to get someone equivalent, if not better, to
Speaker 3: slide into that thirteen jersey. So yeah, it's some nervous
Speaker 3: times coming up. I think as a West Tigers fan,
Speaker 3: this offseason is going to be massive as well.
Speaker 5: Well, look, let's not get too carried away with him
Speaker 5: in that thirteen role yet he's he's spent what twenty
Speaker 5: five it's or something.
Speaker 2: Like the Mandly game where he like the sides out
Speaker 2: of the game. Let's go in there and have a crack.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's well, it is a bit easier
Speaker 1: I think doing it in the last twenty minutes of
Speaker 1: the game game, but it's very small sample size.
Speaker 5: What you're saying, it's an incredibly small sample size. And
Speaker 5: one thing we've seen from Adam Dewey over the years
Speaker 5: is that he can go out there and he can
Speaker 5: have a strong period of game where he can have
Speaker 5: a strong game. But it's doing that week after week
Speaker 5: after week that I think he's had difficulty with over.
Speaker 4: The length of his career.
Speaker 5: So yes, I think there is potential there for him
Speaker 5: in that thirteen role. I'm not going out and breaking
Speaker 5: the bank to sign him in that role tomorrow. I'm
Speaker 5: not resigning him tomorrow. He still needs to show he
Speaker 5: can fulfill that role otherwise he's roll at our club
Speaker 5: next year, especially when you see the form of one
Speaker 5: of our centers in reserve grade today, his role in
Speaker 5: our club next year at this point would be a
Speaker 5: backup half.
Speaker 1: That's where even though Gary's probably been our best player
Speaker 1: too the last three weeks.
Speaker 5: He's been our best player at other times during his
Speaker 5: career as well, And it's that consistency and it's finding
Speaker 5: that spot for him because right now, I don't think
Speaker 5: moving into next season he's going to be in our
Speaker 5: top two centers in our side, and I don't think
Speaker 5: he's going to be one of our halves. So we
Speaker 5: need to find that place for him, and we need
Speaker 5: to work out whether that thirteen is that spot for
Speaker 5: him in our team next year.
Speaker 1: I think I'm jumping the guard Gary. I think I'm
Speaker 1: reciting him even if he probably won't accept one year.
Speaker 1: But like I look at our squad, whatever you think
Speaker 1: of do he's a first grader? Like, he's a first grader,
Speaker 1: and how many first graders do we have?
Speaker 4: Where are you playing him?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Bulldog's got absolutely crucified for citning
Speaker 1: hate utilities.
Speaker 2: How are they going?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, look I don't disagree with that, but there's
Speaker 5: got to Like Taylor May scored three tries to in
Speaker 5: reserve grade, I would be having him in the centers
Speaker 5: next week.
Speaker 2: I want to see that.
Speaker 1: But look look at like kurk Man and Jared Salmon,
Speaker 1: all these guys are telling you to be outstanding signings
Speaker 1: for Canterbury that were like.
Speaker 5: And Adam Dewey could do the same. But he needs
Speaker 5: to show it for me. I'm not going out and
Speaker 5: offering him a contract when I'm not sure where he
Speaker 5: plays next year yet, for he really needs to show
Speaker 5: that he's in for that kind of thirteen role.
Speaker 3: For me, if you don't give Dowey to thirteen Jersey,
Speaker 3: then it's either Alex twelve continue or you go outside
Speaker 3: the club. So I'm looking at I'm looking at zero
Speaker 3: tacker website now. So off contract blocks, there aren't many
Speaker 3: for next season. Jack Debellon's listed, but he's going to paramatter's.
Speaker 4: Signing your thirteen off a twenty five minute performance.
Speaker 3: No, but I think what we've got in the club,
Speaker 3: he's probably the best option.
Speaker 5: I don't disagree with Well, to be honest, I don't
Speaker 5: know that yet because I don't know how he's going
Speaker 5: to hold up defending in the middle.
Speaker 3: Or who else have we got in the club? Who
Speaker 3: else have we got that would be a better thirteen option?
Speaker 2: There's no one.
Speaker 4: What if you can't tackle?
Speaker 2: I think I think that's more a mentality thing. Gary.
Speaker 1: I think we know he can tackle, like he's not.
Speaker 1: His lack of peace has probably been exposed in the centers.
Speaker 1: It's all going to be, you know, is he up
Speaker 1: for it? Like physically.
Speaker 2: Can't do it?
Speaker 5: Playing at six a number of times over the years
Speaker 5: he's been bumped off in front on one on one tackles.
Speaker 5: Now he's going to have to make a lot of
Speaker 5: those playing in that lock role.
Speaker 1: Don't you get a little bit more like sorry to
Speaker 1: keep butting in, but don't you get a little bit
Speaker 1: more help in terms of men around you in the middle.
Speaker 1: I know it's more like running it him next week,
Speaker 1: and that will happen. That's a challenge you.
Speaker 5: Do, but you do, you still get isolated, and we
Speaker 5: need him to be able to make those one on
Speaker 5: one tackles. And I'm not saying no to to playing
Speaker 5: him at lock. I'm playing him at Lock next next week.
Speaker 5: But I want to see more than a twenty five
Speaker 5: minute sample size before I go and lock him in
Speaker 5: as our number thirteen for next year, because that's not
Speaker 5: enough for me.
Speaker 4: We need to see more than that.
Speaker 2: I'm onnly basing it off. How I think the market
Speaker 2: might react.
Speaker 1: I think a couple of clubs might be interested after
Speaker 1: that little cameo today, but let's talk happy chorus out.
Speaker 1: The Skipper was back today Nick after the concussion against Manly,
Speaker 1: but pretty forgettable afternoon for Appy. Obviously, his forwards had
Speaker 1: no momentum, so there wasn't many opportunities for him to
Speaker 1: get out of Dummy Half and do what he can creatively.
Speaker 1: But I'm starting to worry, man. I sort of palmed
Speaker 1: off that decision with the Silver that he got to
Speaker 1: back the coach. But I just don't know. Man, Like
Speaker 1: two years based off extending from twenty six to the
Speaker 1: end of twenty eight, he's starting to fall off some tackles.
Speaker 1: I guess he's always fallen off a few tackles. But
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, he looked old out there today, and
Speaker 1: that's harsh. And he's he's a bloody good player and
Speaker 1: he's a better player than the Silver. But I'd be
Speaker 1: lying if I said I wasn't concerned about the end
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks worn out to me. He just looks
Speaker 3: like he's completely shot.
Speaker 2: So fresh today. What reason was there to be worn out?
Speaker 3: Headaches?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Is he still suffering some of that concussion from a
Speaker 3: couple from a few weeks ago. I'm not sure, But
Speaker 3: that knock on that he did from Dummy Half. When's
Speaker 3: the last time app he's just dropped the ball like that?
Speaker 3: That was basic mistake in the commentary. I think said
Speaker 3: that you know, you could watch another one hundred games.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't do it again, but he did look very weary.
Speaker 4: Happen.
Speaker 3: As I said earlier in the pres conference, just looks sad.
Speaker 3: He just looks completely dejected. You know, has he even
Speaker 3: signed a contract extension? Because if I were happy, would
Speaker 3: I want to stay at the Tigers for another three
Speaker 3: years or whatever it is, or a couple of years
Speaker 3: extension beyond the current end dad, or you know, we're
Speaker 3: just art fresh and go to the Bears and earned
Speaker 3: some money for your last ye twilight years. I don't
Speaker 3: know what to want to do. I know he's he
Speaker 3: loves Benji, he loves Jerome Daruba, all those boys. You
Speaker 3: know that it's a boys club and they want to
Speaker 3: get the Tigers out of the hole that they're in.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, it's really hard to say. I've
Speaker 3: just let you know, to Silver go. So we don't
Speaker 3: have that immediate fall back option anyway. Tristan Hope's not
Speaker 3: the four back option. And this young Jared Award's too
Speaker 3: young anyway, So he's what two or three years away
Speaker 3: from playing any regular first grade regardless. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel sorry for happy. He just looks worn out.
Speaker 1: It's tricky Garry because he's like he's off the back
Speaker 1: of a beaten Ford pack most weeks and his three
Speaker 1: years here. But I do think his powers might be waning.
Speaker 1: Like he's had a couple of unbelievable games this year
Speaker 1: which have masked probably a lot of average games. And
Speaker 1: I feel he's had a lot more average games this
Speaker 1: year than he's previous two years. Is that unfair? I'm
Speaker 1: being skating tonight or not.
Speaker 4: Look, I don't think he was great today, like I
Speaker 4: thought he was quite poor.
Speaker 5: I'm willing to give him the odd one. He's a
Speaker 5: guy that gives 's all for our side. I actually
Speaker 5: don't think Jared Hayward is that far off Nick. I
Speaker 5: don't expect him to be two three years away. I
Speaker 5: think we'll see him play next year. The guy's eighteen.
Speaker 5: He's eighteen, so I don't think he's that far away,
Speaker 5: and I think we'll start to see him coming to
Speaker 5: the side at some point next year. You have a
Speaker 5: guy like Talon to Silver, he'd devoted at around the
Speaker 5: eighteen year old mark, so I expect we'll be using
Speaker 5: him at some point at least next year and then
Speaker 5: a bigger role coming on after that moving forward. But
Speaker 5: Happy needs to be better than what he was today,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure he knows he needs to be better
Speaker 5: than he was today.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 5: I do have concerns about the length of that contract,
Speaker 5: and it does worry me at his age, signing a
Speaker 5: player for like, we've still got another three years to go,
Speaker 5: and I think at times we overplay him, like the
Speaker 5: amount of times we and I'm not going to use
Speaker 5: that as an excuse today because he didn't play last week,
Speaker 5: but the amount of games where we're playing him for
Speaker 5: eighty minutes, I don't think he's at that point of
Speaker 5: his career where he should be playing eighty minutes probably
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 4: I think we should always.
Speaker 5: Have someone on to take part of that role, and
Speaker 5: I think once we get to next year that will
Speaker 5: be Haywood, And over the course of the next three years,
Speaker 5: I think that transition to Hayward, which we kind of
Speaker 5: all thought was going to happen with the Silver, I
Speaker 5: think that transition will to Hayward will happen over the
Speaker 5: next three years.
Speaker 3: On Haywood and all of our young kids in general.
Speaker 3: Are we debuting them too young? Because whatever. What other
Speaker 3: clubs are debuting eighteen nineteen year old every season.
Speaker 5: We're definitely doing that. But that's going to happen when
Speaker 5: you're aside that's one three wooden spoons in a row.
Speaker 5: You're going to be trying new things. You're going to
Speaker 5: be trying to get young guys into your club, You're
Speaker 5: going to be trying to get them out into the field.
Speaker 4: For an example, Makassini.
Speaker 5: I would not be playing him this year, and lots
Speaker 5: of people, including people on our pod, have called for
Speaker 5: him to play as soon as he turns eighteen.
Speaker 4: I don't see the rush in that. I don't see
Speaker 4: the Russian bringing a guy as.
Speaker 1: Talking about me, Gary, There's a difference between playing him
Speaker 1: and playing him into the ground. Like other clubs debut
Speaker 1: young players, they give him a taste and then they
Speaker 1: put him back. We sort of put him there and
Speaker 1: then they stay there and then they get burned out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't disagree with that as well, Eddie.
Speaker 5: I just don't see the need to play a guy
Speaker 5: at the week after returns eighteen, especially when I think
Speaker 5: Toller's had a fairly good season this year. But I'm
Speaker 5: actually quite worried about him because I thought he looked
Speaker 5: busted again today. There's something wrong with his elbow and
Speaker 5: at times, yeah, he was carrying that right arm really badly.
Speaker 5: So we may get to the point where we don't
Speaker 5: have a choice but to play Macassini, but I'd like
Speaker 5: to wait, and I'd like to wait as long as
Speaker 5: possible for Haywood as well. So just to circle back
Speaker 5: to where we actually started that conversation fro him.
Speaker 2: Let's switch sort of to the forwards.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry to our listeners if I'm being overly
Speaker 1: negative tonight, but I just they were the three main
Speaker 1: talking points for me is that the two Skippers and
Speaker 1: Dewey on the positive side of things. But Gary, the
Speaker 1: forward pack today was comprehensively beaten by the Warriors. I thought,
Speaker 1: even with Terrell May, it's interesting, like I compare him
Speaker 1: in like the really really early stages of Like an Appy,
Speaker 1: like I thought today he was sort of backing into
Speaker 1: some tackles a little bit. It wasn't much cut and
Speaker 1: thrust there. I know he got a rest just before halftime,
Speaker 1: but I think that's a warning shot for guy like Benji,
Speaker 1: even though he was elite playing eighty minutes for the
Speaker 1: first thirteen or fourteen rounds this year that maybe you're
Speaker 1: squeezing the lemon dry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to see him getting those breaks.
Speaker 5: I was really pleased, and he got one last week
Speaker 5: as well, So this is two weeks in a row
Speaker 5: we've taken him off in the first half, So with
Speaker 5: about ten minutes ago, we've given him a break. I'm guessing,
Speaker 5: and I am only guessing, but I would hope that
Speaker 5: the club's analyzing his training data quite closely, and you
Speaker 5: should see if there is a little bit of fatigue
Speaker 5: building up over the season. You just see his training
Speaker 5: data drop off a little bit. So I'm hoping that
Speaker 5: if they've noticed that, and that's kind of why that
Speaker 5: rest is coming, because I think it's very much needed.
Speaker 5: But I still think, and to hit your point on
Speaker 5: the forwards, we're still that starting prop short. We need
Speaker 5: a guy who can Terrell May is not, especially in
Speaker 5: that first twenty minutes of the game.
Speaker 4: He's not that impact guy.
Speaker 5: He's not that guy that runs at one hundred miles
Speaker 5: an hour and damages the line.
Speaker 4: He quite early in games, he gets.
Speaker 5: Put on his back and that was the biggest thing
Speaker 5: for me today. Our forwards were just getting put on
Speaker 5: their back all game, lose a first contact and up
Speaker 5: on your back. The only one of our forwards who
Speaker 5: was really getting to their stomach regularly was Alex Toyle.
Speaker 5: Early in the game. He was finding his stomach and
Speaker 5: getting a decent play of the ball. Everyone else was
Speaker 5: getting put on their back time and time and time
Speaker 5: again today and that's why our play the ball speed
Speaker 5: looks so much lower than theirs. That's why it looked
Speaker 5: like the Warriors were laying all over us, because you're
Speaker 5: allowed to lay over us if you put us on
Speaker 5: our back. We're got to get that sorted out. And
Speaker 5: I think we need to go to market and find
Speaker 5: a guy. And there is a guy available who can
Speaker 5: actually cause it. Josh pa Paley.
Speaker 2: Oh sign him tomorrow, wouldn't you? Surely?
Speaker 4: One hundred percent? He's exactly what the leader as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's exactly what we need to kind of round
Speaker 5: out our forward pack because I think he's the exact
Speaker 5: type of player and he's getting on in age and
Speaker 5: I know he's getting close to the retirement, but I
Speaker 5: would definitely take him because I think he adds what
Speaker 5: we're missing.
Speaker 1: A bit surprised, Nick the last few weeks, I've switched
Speaker 1: back up to the newer Pole starting and off the bench.
Speaker 1: Like pol I thought had a really ordinary game today
Speaker 1: with his hands and a couple of mistackles and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But as soon as he come on was I thought
Speaker 1: he was actually probably one of the few that made
Speaker 1: a little bit of an impact.
Speaker 3: He's really jumped out of his shell this year. He's
Speaker 3: gone to a whole new level that I didn't know
Speaker 3: was in him. He's very impactful. He's runs a hard,
Speaker 3: he tackles hard, he links up well with his you know,
Speaker 3: with the other players in the team. Yeah, we've said
Speaker 3: before I'd start and probably put Pole back on the bench. Yeah,
Speaker 3: probably had had an off day to day, he made
Speaker 3: a few CILLI A It's like quite a few of
Speaker 3: the players did, and I think Polo is more of
Speaker 3: an impact player anyway. But yeah, I definitely start. I
Speaker 3: do kind of agree with what you're saying, Gary. I
Speaker 3: think I think Therell's probably he is a workhorse, but
Speaker 3: is he being burnt out already? He's probably played a
Speaker 3: lot bigger minutes this year than he has in previous seasons.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have the impact of a poll or even
Speaker 3: at the way that he runs the ball. He's very
Speaker 3: different in the way that he that he doesn't hit
Speaker 3: the line as hard, but he's a lot more difficult
Speaker 3: to bring down. So there's there's a different aspect of the
Speaker 3: Torell's game. But yeah, Eddie, I love him. I wish
Speaker 3: I wish there was another fan out that we could
Speaker 3: throw in the full pack.
Speaker 2: Just there is he's in jail at the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, I forgot about that one. Actually, Wenesday
Speaker 3: Dufy release anytime, So.
Speaker 1: Super released next year apparently, but apparently is not going
Speaker 1: to register him till twenty thirty, so I probably have
Speaker 1: to forget.
Speaker 2: About that one.
Speaker 5: Bigger Terrell may his best form is when he actually
Speaker 5: plays longer minutes.
Speaker 4: He's best form at the Roosters.
Speaker 5: We're actual games where he played more minutes, but one
Speaker 5: hundred percent, he needs that little bit of a break
Speaker 5: right now. Is at a point in the in the
Speaker 5: season where he's pushed out eighty minutes, Yeah it wouldn't hurt,
Speaker 5: but yeah, a little bit of a breakover the next
Speaker 5: couple of weeks. I think we're doing the world a
Speaker 5: good You won't get the same level play out of
Speaker 5: him that I think you get when he plays those
Speaker 5: bigger minutes, but I think he does need that rest.
Speaker 1: Just looking at some of the stats, Nick and I
Speaker 1: really didn't bother going through the stats today because unfortunately
Speaker 1: I had eyes so I had to see that game.
Speaker 1: But I did notice four point zero four seconds average
Speaker 1: play the ball speed, and Jared Sutton, I'm not even
Speaker 1: going to winge about you because you're not even worth
Speaker 1: winging about, because I could winge every week about how
Speaker 1: poor referee you are. But there were four of our forwards,
Speaker 1: Paul May, Suker and Bird that were sort of mid
Speaker 1: fours in play the ball, which so basically they got
Speaker 1: put on their ass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how's that rate in comparison to other teams?
Speaker 1: Bridge the average is a bit of a theory going
Speaker 1: around that the Landys has asked for the referees to
Speaker 1: try and average three and a half or three point
Speaker 1: seven second play the balls for both teams so teams fight,
Speaker 1: which is a conspiracy theory, But today it was a
Speaker 1: pretty clear difference. So four point four is about a slow.
Speaker 1: Four point zero four is about as slow as you
Speaker 1: get for a team. But I thought it was probably
Speaker 1: warranted the way we ran the ball.
Speaker 3: And we're getting a manhandle on the ground, which comes
Speaker 3: back to Joel's physicality too, so you know, out muscled
Speaker 3: right across the field and obviously showed in those statistics.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't really look at those stats,
Speaker 3: but it is interesting. We're getting dominated on the ground
Speaker 3: and that affects the playaball speed, and affects your line speed,
Speaker 3: and affects how quickly the defense is up in your face.
Speaker 3: So yeah, a lot of knock on effects. It actually
Speaker 3: stands true to a point, Eddie. I know you said
Speaker 3: the school flat at the Senate did, but like you
Speaker 3: said early in the pod, with eight minutes to go,
Speaker 3: are any down by trying a goal or eight points?
Speaker 3: I think it was so on the school board. We
Speaker 3: were right in it, and if Adam had kicked a
Speaker 3: little bit straight early on, we might have any any
Speaker 3: been a try away from you know, hitting the lead
Speaker 3: if we had been a bit smarter, But.
Speaker 4: Not to be.
Speaker 5: Those playaball speeds. There is a massive difference between three
Speaker 5: point five seconds and four Like it doesn't sound like
Speaker 5: a lot, but throughout the game that is huge, and
Speaker 5: as I said earlier, it comes down to us not
Speaker 5: winning that first contact. If you don't win that first contact,
Speaker 5: you can't win the wrestle and you end up on
Speaker 5: your back. And once you're on your back, they were
Speaker 5: allowed to hold you down that little bit longer, and
Speaker 5: it just puts you out of the game.
Speaker 4: And that's what we saw today.
Speaker 1: Joel Schwedder Nick, I haven't seen it this season, but
Speaker 1: I'm going looking for it tomorrow. And I'm sorry, Jack Bird,
Speaker 1: but you're going straight through the shredder because you He
Speaker 1: just looks broken as a footballer. To me, I was
Speaker 1: worried when we signed him that he was broken. I
Speaker 1: thought he started the year. Well now his body's probably
Speaker 1: just completely beaten up. He's shuffling positions, which I suppose
Speaker 1: is his job, but like he doesn't know if he's
Speaker 1: Arthur or maf out there for me, he's trying to
Speaker 1: tip on balls, trying to start fight. Some weeks, like
Speaker 1: I just think reserve grade. Sorry, I don't know who
Speaker 1: you're placing.
Speaker 3: With, but that that tip on pass was terrible. That
Speaker 3: was on the second tackle as well, and we weren't
Speaker 3: that far. I think we're twenty are thirty meters out
Speaker 3: from Warriors Triline. Yeah, Jack Bird is an interesting one,
Speaker 3: isn't He was an interesting buy when we got him
Speaker 3: a preseason you know all the talk during the preseason
Speaker 3: he was training on his own, trying to get his
Speaker 3: fitness up, that he saw himself as a lock and
Speaker 3: he wanted to be that ball playing lock. But that
Speaker 3: hasn't really happened at all across the year. He's filled
Speaker 3: in that back row and he's not big enough or
Speaker 3: impactful enough to be a backrower. Early on in the
Speaker 3: year when he was coming in from off the bench,
Speaker 3: he did add a little bit of spark and he
Speaker 3: looked good at times. But for me now, I don't
Speaker 3: think he adds a great deal. So I'd almost be
Speaker 3: tempted to leave him out of the seventeen. But the
Speaker 3: problem is I don't think we're deep enough that we
Speaker 3: can leave him out.
Speaker 2: Let me just need maybe a big forward.
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 3: I don't again, I don't know what's going on behind
Speaker 3: the scenes there, but I would up one hundred percent
Speaker 3: give Royce Hunting another shot. So I'm a bit worried
Speaker 3: actually with Royce.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I know he was talking about retiring before he signed
Speaker 3: with West Tigers. I hope he's not going down that
Speaker 3: path mentally that he's just mentally checked out. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I definitely bring Ros back. We definitely
Speaker 3: need and lack a little bit of size off the bench.
Speaker 3: We're definitely missing it the rotation.
Speaker 5: Bird isn't in my side next week, and I think
Speaker 5: the fact that Adam went to Locke today that probably
Speaker 5: puts another nail in another coffin of him in that
Speaker 5: thirteen role.
Speaker 4: We moved Adam out of.
Speaker 5: The centers and put Bird into the centers next week,
Speaker 5: I've got Taylor May coming into my side. He's playing
Speaker 5: in the centers for me, and because of that, Bird
Speaker 5: drops off the bench. So Bird he's an easy replacement
Speaker 5: next week because you're replacing him with Taylor May, who
Speaker 5: will be or should be. I think he's done enough
Speaker 5: to warrant selection next week.
Speaker 1: I'll get to a couple of minor positives. I thought
Speaker 1: from today a minute, But Gary, what did you make
Speaker 1: of Lato's game? Obviously tough one for him today with
Speaker 1: that forward pack and a lot of time to play
Speaker 1: with the ball.
Speaker 5: What you're going to get is you play young guys
Speaker 5: in key positions, you're going to get inconsistency. I thought
Speaker 5: he was fantastic last week and really struggled to get
Speaker 5: into the game today. And I thought when we did
Speaker 5: make that move of Adam Dewey into that lock role,
Speaker 5: Latin got a little bit lost in that, I thought,
Speaker 5: So I think I think there's going to be a
Speaker 5: little bit of an adjustment to kind of if I
Speaker 5: was going with my plan for next week of putting.
Speaker 4: Adam Dewey into that lock role and having him play
Speaker 4: that lock role.
Speaker 5: I think there needs to be a lot of time
Speaker 5: spent on just how that works amongst the halves and
Speaker 5: Dewey for before we get to that game next week.
Speaker 1: Well, Nick, my plan during the game involved about twenty
Speaker 1: seven changes, including coaching staff, trainers, everyone. But I've come
Speaker 1: down a little bit since then. So I think Charlie
Speaker 1: Stains is putting a bit of pressure on jiros Skelton
Speaker 1: like I was. For a guy who looks like Aidie
Speaker 1: Kilo's ring and wet. He was one of the few
Speaker 1: guys finding his front out of the backfield for me
Speaker 1: and Skelton, they're still having some real issues in defense.
Speaker 1: He's still running the ball fairly hard, although I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say as hard as he could run the ball, so
Speaker 1: I think that's a tricky one.
Speaker 3: It is the one thing that I took away from
Speaker 3: Skelton's game. What about that hit that he made on
Speaker 3: who was it that Warriors player.
Speaker 2: Two weeks ago? I can't remember who did it on,
Speaker 2: but he did the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, poor fallback when he didn't even have the ball today,
Speaker 3: but that was a massive hit.
Speaker 4: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I was getting to but no Skelton. Charlie stains. He
Speaker 3: hasn't put a foot wrong for a while now, and
Speaker 3: he's come out in the media not too long ago
Speaker 3: and said how much he loves the club and I
Speaker 3: think he really wants to stay. So I reckon Charlie
Speaker 3: would probably be content to try to play his way
Speaker 3: into the team every week, and if he doesn't, he's
Speaker 3: doing a really good job with the Magpies from what
Speaker 3: I've seen in highlights and on the score sheets as well.
Speaker 3: I love the way he plays. Isn't as big as
Speaker 3: not as impactful, but he does. He never stops trying, Charlie,
Speaker 3: and he runs a million was an hour, might not
Speaker 3: hit the line and drag a lot of defenders with him,
Speaker 3: but he plays with his heart in his sleeve. Charlie,
Speaker 3: so I hope he sticks around, But yeah, there probably
Speaker 3: is a justification for maybe thinking about sitting skelting out.
Speaker 3: I think he's got a little bit of work to
Speaker 3: do and he didn't play a lot of NRL before
Speaker 3: he came to West Tigers either.
Speaker 5: It's a really hard one because I thought Charlie was
Speaker 5: fantastic day. I thought he was one of our best
Speaker 5: players on the field today. But he benefits from Drell
Speaker 5: Skelton being in the site. So if Charlie's taking a
Speaker 5: hit up off a slower play the ball, then he's
Speaker 5: really ineffective coming out of our own end. If he
Speaker 5: can take that second hit up or the third hit
Speaker 5: up after a guy's already caused a little bit of
Speaker 5: damage and got a quick play the ball, then he's
Speaker 5: able to cover the ground really quickly and that allows
Speaker 5: him to get into a position where he can find
Speaker 5: his front and get a decent play the ball. But
Speaker 5: he's very reliant on what happens at the play the
Speaker 5: ball or the tackle before. And you'll have noticed to
Speaker 5: day that the Warriors spent most of the game kicking
Speaker 5: towards Skelton, because your tactic in that is you don't
Speaker 5: want him. You don't want Skelton taking the second hit up,
Speaker 5: so you kick it to him, so he has to
Speaker 5: take that first one and it's a little bit easier
Speaker 5: to contain him, but Charlie then benefits from that next tackle.
Speaker 5: They didn't kick the Charlie at all today. I don't
Speaker 5: remember him him returning the ball at all, so it's
Speaker 5: a really tough one. I wouldn't be making that change now.
Speaker 5: I would consider that change when Bullet comes back and
Speaker 5: Taruva moves back to the wing, because I think Taruva
Speaker 5: can get you that little bit of punch and then
Speaker 5: you can have Charlie play off the back of that.
Speaker 5: But at the moment, Charlie's benefiting from having Skelton in
Speaker 5: the team, So to replace him with Skelton, I think
Speaker 5: you'd take away some of his own effectiveness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gary, I had only a D and Charlie were
Speaker 1: my probably best three today. The other one I thought,
Speaker 1: and this is probably going to frown at me when
Speaker 1: I say this, I think say Fast being better since
Speaker 1: he's gone back to the bench and playing middle No.
Speaker 4: Without a doubt.
Speaker 5: I think I was saying all preseason that his best
Speaker 5: role is playing off the bench as a middle forward.
Speaker 5: I think he can provide a little bit of but
Speaker 5: that you're not relying on him for as long a
Speaker 5: periods of time, so you don't get as many of
Speaker 5: the silly little errors or the dumb penalties or the
Speaker 5: laying in the ruck for too long. So I think
Speaker 5: it's a much better position for him than asking him
Speaker 5: to play eighty minutes out on an edge. His lateral
Speaker 5: movement doesn't get caught out as much when playing in
Speaker 5: the middle, and he does a much better role at
Speaker 5: that despite being a guy who can never win the
Speaker 5: contact with or without the ball. I think that role
Speaker 5: is much better suited to his game.
Speaker 1: Like at over next week, something to look forward to, Nick,
Speaker 1: at least for the fans.
Speaker 3: Two o'clock Sunday, looking forward to I will be there.
Speaker 3: I've got to leave pass from the wife locked it
Speaker 3: in his afternoon, So ye're looking forward today. Hopefully the
Speaker 3: weather is really good. Hopefully we can get a bump
Speaker 3: of crowd. At least sixteen thousand want to see that
Speaker 3: hill filled on Sunday, so Titans won't be a pushover.
Speaker 3: I don't think any team in this competition is a pushover,
Speaker 3: especially against the West Tigers. But my god, I hope
Speaker 3: we can just come out and put in an eighty
Speaker 3: minute performance where the players you know, turn up and
Speaker 3: want to play for defense, because the fans are going
Speaker 3: to turn up. So you know, Benji, Happy Jerome, if
Speaker 3: you're listening, I'm sure you are. Just please give us
Speaker 3: a performance to make us proud next week.
Speaker 1: Usually pretty good at like Art Gary, but I do
Speaker 1: have some concerns about this game, like Art Favorites, is
Speaker 1: a lot different to coming in as like Art Underdog,
Speaker 1: which we usually do. And I think we've won six
Speaker 1: of our last eight there at Lei Art. But that
Speaker 1: Cold Coast team, you know, I know they're running last
Speaker 1: I watched them play tonight.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 1: They've got some speed and they've got some power. They've
Speaker 1: probably got less IQ than us. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: keeping them below us the ladder. But your initial thoughts
Speaker 1: in that game, and now it's stoped midweek preview.
Speaker 5: But yeah, at this point, I'm not very confident after
Speaker 5: what we saw today. Now me being me, that will
Speaker 5: change throughout the week and by the time we get
Speaker 5: around to the game, I'll probably be expecting us to win.
Speaker 5: But we don't handle speed or power. Well, there are
Speaker 5: two traits that really we struggle to come up against
Speaker 5: and that does worry me next week. The power that
Speaker 5: they have through the middle and the speed they have
Speaker 5: out wide, I think is something that can cause us
Speaker 5: some problems, but it could be a woeful game. We
Speaker 5: played a game against the Titans a couple of years
Speaker 5: ago that that was like two four to two or
Speaker 5: something with a couple of minutes to go and then
Speaker 5: they scored right at the end to win the game.
Speaker 4: It was a horrible, horrible game of football.
Speaker 5: I think we watched it together Eddie at West Ashfield
Speaker 5: and I have images of that game maybe repeating so
Speaker 5: next weekend, I.
Speaker 1: Think that was four to two or something like that
Speaker 1: and Gold Coast scored the last minute. But a bit
Speaker 1: of a treat for the fans. This week of the podcast,
Speaker 1: We've got Adele hey John. I'm going to record tomorrow
Speaker 1: night with him and Rob Bishara and I'm going to
Speaker 1: break down. I'm going to ask the coach to break
Speaker 1: down our attack, take a real deep dive on our
Speaker 1: attack this year and what he makes of players like
Speaker 1: Jerome Louie and Adam doing in LAT two final and
Speaker 1: how it's all fitting in and what's not working.
Speaker 2: So we're going to get three.
Speaker 1: Podcasts for the price of none, Nick we usually do
Speaker 1: do this week, we're doing three. We're going to do
Speaker 1: Adele on Monday night, which will probably be released Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: probably more likely Wednesday morning, and then we'll do a
Speaker 1: midweek pod, probably Thursday night. So I'm asking you and
Speaker 1: Gary to back up because the others they I think
Speaker 1: they've signed off for the year, like most of the team.
Speaker 3: I'm actually going on holidays with the family tomorrow day,
Speaker 3: so I won't be back until Friday evening. But you
Speaker 3: know what, if I'm needed, I might take my laptop
Speaker 3: on my headphone. So if you need me, just just
Speaker 3: send me a message and I'll jump on, mate.
Speaker 4: So are you going to do all three of them? Ad?
Speaker 1: He Well, Gary, this is what happens when you start
Speaker 1: losing games. People jump off ship. You know, I'm consistent.
Speaker 1: The only time I don't see me come on is
Speaker 1: when we win games. Maybe I will get accused of
Speaker 1: loving losing or something like that. But I was out
Speaker 1: celebrating that Ruster's victory last week. But unfortunately I think
Speaker 1: Joel he got a headache watching that today, so he
Speaker 1: was unavailable, but I am looking forward to that one
Speaker 1: talking to Adele and then we'll do the midweek one.
Speaker 1: So boys, I know it's been a bit of a
Speaker 1: tough carry tonight.
Speaker 2: Gary.
Speaker 1: You're looking there like death warmed up at the moment,
Speaker 1: looking at me like you have been all I know,
Speaker 1: and it's not a visual one, but you've got to
Speaker 1: crack the smile finally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm maybe suffering.
Speaker 5: A little bit from a big night last night and
Speaker 5: watching that game with a self inflicted headache today was
Speaker 5: quite difficult.
Speaker 2: How do you go there today? We Slashfield.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a pretty good turn out there today,
Speaker 4: A lot of people there watching the game. Gave away
Speaker 4: some prizes, so yeah, I had a pretty good day.
Speaker 4: Like I got to sit down.
Speaker 5: With Mike and rach and and and Steve don't forget
Speaker 5: Steve was there, and yeah, and watch the game with
Speaker 5: Holly bother Tiger supporters.
Speaker 4: It was just a shame it was such a poor game.
Speaker 1: Well, I haven't heard from Steve or Deck Joel, so
Speaker 1: it would be hello for them and shout out thank
Speaker 1: you boys during the
Speaker 4: Week, Thanksie, thanks fellows joining the game