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<v Speaker 1>I'm here with Elil Mosque.

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<v Speaker 2>They found out off paper and space entrepreneur, electric car entrepreneur,

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<v Speaker 2>and sol a power entrepreneur. So thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us, and just a few few questions. Earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 2>you made history with having the first product spacecraft SpaceX's

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<v Speaker 2>Dragon to dot the ISS.

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<v Speaker 1>You must be feeling pretty confident now.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I feel reasonably good about things, but I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be complacent.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, we definitely want to keep a.

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<v Speaker 3>Piece of the technology progression as rapid as possible. So

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<v Speaker 3>if so, we wanted to do lots of launchers which

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<v Speaker 3>are kind of out bread and butter, and then keep

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<v Speaker 3>pushing the envelope in parallel on new technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and have you have you identified the causes of

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<v Speaker 2>the anomalies from the October Carbot color flight. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the there was a little bit of issues with the

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<v Speaker 2>rocket and on what have you?

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<v Speaker 4>Just a scratch, just a pleasure, so it.

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<v Speaker 1>Won't have any impact on the human rated Dragon development.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, we actually file flight plans. When we filed

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<v Speaker 3>a flight plan, we filed flight pan with zero one

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<v Speaker 3>and two engines out. Okay, so it wasn't even considered

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<v Speaker 3>from from the Air Force and FA standpoint, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>actually considered a normally because it was one of the

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<v Speaker 3>prescribed flight plans.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And beyond the Falcon nine you've got the Falcon Heavy

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<v Speaker 2>rocket waiting in it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was considered a normally but not a failure. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you you have the beyond the Falcon nine,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the Falcon heavy sort of rocket in development

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<v Speaker 2>or waiting in the wings.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know what was that all about? And is

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<v Speaker 1>there really is about a market for it?

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<v Speaker 2>Because satellite seemed to be getting kind of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>smaller these days.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think they're getting smaller and bigger, so so

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<v Speaker 3>on the on the on the small side, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>companies like sorry which I used to be an investor

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<v Speaker 3>and until it was required.

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<v Speaker 4>And assimily my work they're doing in small satellites.

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<v Speaker 3>And then on the big side you've got the big

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<v Speaker 3>geosynchroance satellites, where particularly for places that have a limited

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<v Speaker 3>number of geostationary spots, they actually want the satellite to

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<v Speaker 3>be as big as possible. So I think you've got

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<v Speaker 3>this wiification going to both big and too small, but

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<v Speaker 3>probably with fewer.

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<v Speaker 2>Medium okay, and also with the human rated systems. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I say it's obviously NASO after the retirement the spatial

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<v Speaker 2>natur that's is very keen to get you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>U s S system.

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<v Speaker 1>There funding a lot of a lot of you know

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<v Speaker 1>you and your competitors. So the communic case.

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<v Speaker 2>Are going from no US systems to to several in

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<v Speaker 2>the next few years, you know yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Grade would be really great.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think this room enough for all of them?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think as long as we're making revolutionary

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<v Speaker 3>improvements in space transport, I think there is room for

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot of companies. But but we really need

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<v Speaker 3>to get to rapidit, rapidly completely reusable rockets, just.

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<v Speaker 4>Just as as is the case with aircraft. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>aircraft are rapidly completely reusable.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean they have a maintenance cycle and everything,

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<v Speaker 3>but basically put fuel and flight again and you can

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<v Speaker 3>land a seven forty seven and take off an hour

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<v Speaker 3>and a half later.

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<v Speaker 4>And you should be able to do that with rockets too, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you do that then the coasts would come

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<v Speaker 3>down to dramatically that I think they could.

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<v Speaker 4>We could find many uses for rockets.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and give us an update on the air launch

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<v Speaker 2>structure launch system that was announced last year. You're your

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<v Speaker 2>partner in there, you're gonna do that they root rocket

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<v Speaker 2>launch bit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's that all about?

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<v Speaker 2>And where does it kind of fit into your sort

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<v Speaker 2>of sort of family of rockets launches.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's that's definitely not one of our main initiatives.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think there's there's likely to be some changes

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<v Speaker 3>in that program, but nothing I could comment on myself, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and you've also dropped hints of a more

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<v Speaker 2>powerful rocket engine undevelopment Raptor MCT. People seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about what does mc T stand for? And and

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<v Speaker 2>is that is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean now again it sort of just throw something

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<v Speaker 4>I can confirm that the name.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the engine is Raptor okay, And and I'd like

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<v Speaker 3>to announce movies some details about the engine next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But perhaps what's even more interesting is the spaceship that

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<v Speaker 3>that's attached to.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and and just them and mc T stand for

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<v Speaker 2>what it can do with Mars or Marsian.

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<v Speaker 3>Or okay, I have to leave a little you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's show a little leg not all.

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<v Speaker 2>You've also gone a vertical landing system, the Grasshopper in

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<v Speaker 2>development term. How does that again, how does that fit

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<v Speaker 2>into the sort of family of that that's that's the

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<v Speaker 2>reusability of of of.

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<v Speaker 3>Of rockets, right, So the Grasshoppers is kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>test grig and it's intended to help us develop a

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<v Speaker 3>vertical landing cability. Obviously, the rockets can certainly take off vertically,

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<v Speaker 3>no one needs to make them land and so so

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<v Speaker 3>Grasshopper is a very it has very robust landing legs.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's designed to be able to take you very

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<v Speaker 3>or phenomenal landings. It's it's got a Falcon nine version

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<v Speaker 3>one stage or and combined with the act of the

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<v Speaker 3>more than one d engine that would go on the

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<v Speaker 3>next generation of Pop the Night. So it's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a hybrid vehicle of past and future technologies. We'll use

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<v Speaker 3>it to to sort of figure out a bunch of things,

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<v Speaker 3>and then next year we'll upgrade to the actual flight

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<v Speaker 3>design of the Falcon Line, the next generation Falcon Line.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so is the idea to cover the top stage

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<v Speaker 2>or the whole thing or.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a long term our goal is to recover the

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<v Speaker 3>entire rocket and be able to relaunch the whole thing quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Also if we also say plant Planetry Resources launched, what

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<v Speaker 2>are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you think asteroid mining is viable? Are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they ringing wanting to know prices on deep space

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<v Speaker 2>sort of launch prices.

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<v Speaker 4>Our rockets are standing back.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's potentially some market for mining asteroids as

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of a refueling station on the way to

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<v Speaker 4>I don't see.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to say that there's a case for

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<v Speaker 3>taking say platinum or something that's found in and asteroid

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<v Speaker 2>And have you have you seen the the UK sort

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<v Speaker 2>of Skylar Skop space playe project?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you have you? What's your take on breathing?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know it well enough in the past whenever whenever

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<v Speaker 3>I've done the basic math on having an air breathing stage,

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't seem to make sense. But I could be

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<v Speaker 3>wrong about that, And you know, I always always like

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<v Speaker 3>to sort of figure out, you know, how I can

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<v Speaker 3>better understand things.

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<v Speaker 4>So but.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's maybe easier just to increase the size

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<v Speaker 2>And you've obviously famously said you want to retire on Mars,

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<v Speaker 2>which fantastic ambition. Is this something that you've got You've

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<v Speaker 2>got a team at s SpaceX actively working on. Are

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of looking at spaceships and habs and what

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<v Speaker 2>have you? Describing the Musk retirement.

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<v Speaker 3>Home right Well, there's no real work going on right

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<v Speaker 3>now in terms of designing Mars habitats. I think we

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<v Speaker 3>need to focus our energies and designing the Marks spaceship first,

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<v Speaker 3>and then that would effectively be the first habitat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And how far away do you do you sort

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<v Speaker 2>of see a Man of Mars mission?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? And who do you think will be will

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think it'll be in the US or China

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<v Speaker 2>or international or commercial mission?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm hopeful that from a space extandpoint, we'll be

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<v Speaker 3>ready to do such a mission in the ten to.

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<v Speaker 4>Fifteen year time break.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, So.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll see if that occurred.

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously that would be an American you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>may or may not be a government or maybe some

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<v Speaker 3>goverment involvement or no. And I don't know it quite yet,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think SpaceX will be ready and in front

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<v Speaker 3>will take.

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<v Speaker 4>That time grade.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, you've had an exciting year obviously that this year,

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<v Speaker 2>So what can we look forward to in twenty thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of sort of SpaceX news and accomplishments.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty thirteen, I'm hopeful we'll be able to demonstrate

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<v Speaker 3>high altitude supersonic left off in a return, so to

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<v Speaker 3>being able to have the stage take off, go supersonic

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<v Speaker 3>and then come back and land propulsively at the launch site.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, then.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope we'll also demonstrate the farking Heavy towards the

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<v Speaker 3>end of next year, and that will be the most

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<v Speaker 3>powerful vehicle in the world by a factor of two.

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<v Speaker 4>And more than a factor of two. Actually, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>that's twenty thirty shun exciting year.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. How many people now work at sort of SpaceX

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<v Speaker 1>and what a kind of the recruitment plans?

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<v Speaker 2>I get a lot of feedback from we were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we get a job there?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's quite difficult for us to employ people that

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<v Speaker 4>don't have a green card because of our u s I,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so my first advice would be do anything you

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<v Speaker 3>can to get a green card. We have been able

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<v Speaker 3>we haven't successful in a few cases with getting permission

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<v Speaker 3>from the US State Department of Defense Department to employ

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<v Speaker 3>non US citizens, but it's very difficult to do that, unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish it were easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And where do you where do you get your

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<v Speaker 2>passion for space from in the first place? Where did

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of start that sort of inkling or that

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to do to be in this field?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean I was always a big a fan

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<v Speaker 3>of science fiction movies and books, and and I always

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<v Speaker 3>thought that we were on our way to on our

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<v Speaker 3>way to becoming a space brewing civilization, just excuse me,

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<v Speaker 3>just to be like the stories that we wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>read about. And then I was disappointed to learn that

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't seem to be happening. And that's why I

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<v Speaker 3>got into That's why I started space X, is to

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<v Speaker 3>sort of make that a reality and not just be

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<v Speaker 3>forever a fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you attribute to the to the success

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<v Speaker 1>of SpaceX so far.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the last time you were here, you'd just

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<v Speaker 1>we're quite shocked in a way. What do you put

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately we had just enough money to make it to

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<v Speaker 3>and those were the three ingredients that were resulted in

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and you you've always got anunt of different enterprises

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you split your.

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<v Speaker 3>we really really need. Okay, but the basic thought behind

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<v Speaker 4>Between a rail gun and a concord.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now some people and actually I sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>to train exactly brilliant. It's been fantastic talking to you

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<v Speaker 2>and very much looking forward to hear you later later,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you,