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Speaker 1: We're Tomy Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Best.

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Hello Kit, and welcome back to another edition of the PSO.

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I am the team. You're Tello, Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm

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here with the Low and your dil Lorenzo cousin. I

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love the husband. How are you love a husband?

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Speaker 2: I'm wonderful as usual, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: It is the week before the Oscars and we are

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busy little beavers, and uh, we're happy about that. Never

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gonna complain about having too much content.

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Speaker 2: It's so much easier to work when you have a

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lot of We talk about this all the time.

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Speaker 1: How you know, because we're boring people who talk about

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our jobs.

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Speaker 2: No, but it's true. When you have a lot to

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choose from and you know, it makes it work a

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. I do what else? So, yes,

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we're gonna talk about the Oscars today. We're going to

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do our final predictions because this has been at interesting

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award season. I think it has thrown all of the

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Oscar prognosticators into something of a frenzy. Yeah, because you

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can never predict where things are gonna go. And then

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after that we're going to do our spoiler filled deep

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dives on the latest issues of Severns and the White Lotus.

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I'm sorry the caffeine has not kicked in yet, people,

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but it will in the middle of this podcast. Will

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you will be able to tell when Tom's caffeine has

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kicked in. Okay, so let's talk about the Oscars. The

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big upset this weekend was they had the SAG Awards

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and Timothy shallow May wound up with Best Actor and

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for a complete unknown and he has not been picking

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up awards throughout award season a lot. Most of the

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attention has been going to Adrian Brodie, who is or

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was considered the front runner going into Oscar night, and

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then he turned around and won. So I I don't

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I We're just gonna run through all the major categories,

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so starting with the Best Actor because of Timothy Shallomey,

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I go ahead. I I would have gone into this

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with the conventional wisdom that Adrian Birdie was going to

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Speaker 2: You never know, you never know. I don't know, people,

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I don't know. The feeling I get is that people

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are feeling sorry for too much in terms of like

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him not winning anything. And his speech was kind of

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a little, you know, poor me, I worked five years

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on this, like when Yeah, I mean I'm being mean,

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he are, But my point is that every but he

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works hard. Everybody deserves an Oscar if they do a

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good job. So anyway, it feel like, oh, I've been

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working five years in this and I want to be,

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you know, a super actor. Anyway, So I don't know,

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maybe who knows, but I see, I think still goes

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the Oscar, Still is gonna go, Still gonna go to

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Speaker 1: That is your final prediction, I think, so, I think.

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I mean the other ones are Coleman, Domingo and Ray Fines,

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and I mean they are both. They picked up a

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few awards along the way, but I I really I'm

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looking at everybody else. So Ray fine Simoth this year.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I don't think, I mean they I feel

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bad for Coleman because he's not winning anything.

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Speaker 1: Oh I don't feel all that bad for Coleman, only

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because I think he knows he's not winning last year,

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just like he knew he wasn't winning last year for Rustin.

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But he is playing that game. I mean, he is

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securing his every award season he moves on to the

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next batch of films that he's going to be promoting.

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So I feel that he is exactly where he needs

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to be his career. And I mean, I feel like

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we shouldn't become I don't know, lazy about this, this

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sort of thinking, because then it winds up nothing happens.

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But I feel like he is destined to win the OUs,

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like he's on as way. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, he's very talented, and he plays

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the game. He's always smiling, giving great interviews and all that.

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all that contributes a lot to people recognize you, knowing you,

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and feel like, oh, there he is, you know, and

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voting for it for him, I feel that's the way.

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their category correct for all these awards in general.

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Speaker 1: No, that's for the nominations.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, oh okay, well in this case that's white

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people get nominated because I guess you know, it's it's

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your friends and you recognize your friends and stuff like that.

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then Agent Brewing, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, moving on to Best Actress again, there was

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a bit of an upset because to me, Moore won

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the SAG Award, but Mikey Madison won the Independent Spirit Award. Now,

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of Oscar wins. I'm not so sure the SAG is

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anymore either, But generally speaking, things like the Bapta and

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an independent type of movie, you know, So there makes

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sense that she won and to me is winning everything

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aside from that, And I'm quite sure now. It's funny

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has a chance here, but I don't know anymore.

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Speaker 1: Or two she has tumbled down. I think in the

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rankings we should note that, I'm sorry, the Oscar voting

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closed on like eighteenth or something like that. It closed

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before the Baptis, So things like Timothy Shallomey's speech is

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not going to have any effect on things because voting

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had already closed by that point.

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Speaker 2: So I feel bad for Fernando, but I just don't

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to be to me more because it's a typical role.

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Speaker 1: But they don't normally give horror films.

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like they do like that. Oh, they do love that.

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goes go on, although she's going to be there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she just announced that she is coming to the

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ceremony after her big implosion because of all those racist

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tweets I don't understand, and Netflix is pain her way.

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Speaker 2: No, then not only that, people forget very quickly. You know,

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we have these big explosions and and and then people

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kind of forget about it. Uh but yeah, and where

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a million pearre's you know, I don't know. It's just weird, weird,

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it's awkward. And then she's gonna be interview. What she

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Speaker 1: Of course, we'll see, all right, best supporting actress. Uh,

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sad On. I don't even see anyone else in the

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running for it at this point. She has been snatching

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up the bulk of the awards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, Wicked is not winning anything, but

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as you said, it might win for the Part two.

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Speaker 1: I think I think everyone's holding on to see what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I yeah, I feel my understanding. I

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haven't watched it, but I haven't seen it yet, but

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I I understanding. Felicity Jones is amazing in the brutalist correct. Yes, well,

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we saw Isabella Russellini and she was fantastic. Uh, Ariana Grande,

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we saw that too. Yeah, and Monica, I don't know

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Speaker 1: It's no, it's not her. He So who's your prediction

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Speaker 2: Well, Zoe definitely, so, no doubt about it. She's good.

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Speaker 1: Just to recap. Best actor is Adrian Brodie, that's our prediction.

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best supporting Actress is always held on.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if we're right on those. Best Supporting Actor,

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pretty sure it's Karen Culkin.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, no doubt about that annoying creature. Yes, anyway,

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it's gonna be him. Yeah, because out, Yeah, he is

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annoying and he played himself every single time.

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Speaker 1: That about everybody who gets nominated for anouns because that

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you don't like. But he just that's just something you say.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean he plays He's always playing annoying characters,

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stressed out, the ready to you know, about to explode

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type of character. Helloo, anyway, he doesn't show up for

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the for the awards and stuff like that. He finally

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showed up for the SAG. That's my understanding. Anyway, Yes,

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it's gonna be him. Uh the movie was okay. Honestly,

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the more I think about it, but it's like, yeah,

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he was okay. But anyway, he's good. He's a favorite.

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Speaker 1: He's the favorite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called being the favorite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I never have a prediction, or I never have

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a good prediction for Best Picture or Best Director, because again,

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who the hell knows where things are going?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I maybe the brutalist. I not a million pes anymore.

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Speaker 1: Not a million Perez for Best Picture. I don't know

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about I think the Brutalist is probably the most likely,

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or I would have said that normally, But like I said,

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it's very, very hard to pick where things are going

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anymore because do you know, none of the predictors are

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acting the way they normally act. And I still, yeah,

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complete Unknown Conclave Dune Part two, a million Perez, I'm

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still here, Nickel Boys, The Substance and Wicked, So I

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don't know, Anora's got some chops. The funny the thing

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about Anora is it is the kind of film that

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of gold. I mean, that is one of the oldest

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stories in Hollywood and they love that story. And something

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like The Substance is a you know, it's a horror film.

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with some criticism AI crediticisms that may have heard it,

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although I think a lot of people didn't understand that

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at all. So yeah, it's it's down to Lenora and

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the Brutalist. I think I still don't know that Mikey

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Madison can be counted out over to me for Best Actress.

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Speaker 2: So I'm still that would be shocking to me. Yeah,

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but I'd be happy.

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Speaker 1: I'd be happy they're not going to award a twenty

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five year old over a veteran who has never been

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Speaker 2: No, it's to me, it's like, you know, thinking.

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Speaker 1: It's a Jamie Lee, Curtis, Brandon Fraser, you know, you

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you know, I've been around forever and you didn't pay attention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, popcorn girl, you know. And

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they're like, you know, the never won anything. And for me,

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I mean that all you know that that's good story. Me,

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that's a good story.

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Speaker 3: You mean, it's just that I'm so used to this

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awards just awarding people based on whatever it's going on

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Speaker 1: We're not doing things like screenplay or director or anything

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Speaker 2: No, No, Like I'm just I just find it interesting

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Pey addition, now, how it kind of shifted a little,

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and then all of a sudden, you know, Mikey Madison

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Timothy thing was was wasn't upset. I don't

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think he expected it at all.

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think he was campaigning throughout this

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season acting like he expected it. So I don't know.

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I don't know. It's anybody's game going into this. Like

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I said, we're not prognosticators. We just you know, well

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informed amateurs when it comes to oscar addictions. But yeah,

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for once we really don't know. I mean we never know. No,

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there's always one or two little right, right, right. I

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm happy for me more. You know. It's like

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right now about her. She's looking amazing. It's a perfect

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comeback story. You know, all that feel bad for Fernanda

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Torres because you know pretty much a lot of people

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are going to be upset about that if she doesn't win.

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be honest at this point now.

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Speaker 1: Over than me. Well, it's definitely a better performance.

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with her, and she the whole thing preparing for the

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role and everything about it. It was just how she

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dealt with the subject matter and everything, but so much

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respect for it all that it's beautiful. Yeah, we'll see beautiful.

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It's beautiful. See that's the real deal, not you know, Oh,

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on the planet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, that's our sort of limp Oscar race prediction.

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Speaker 1: Well I do know is that we will be having major, major,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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into talking about Severance and the White Lotus and those

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conversations will be filled with spoilers. But before we do that,

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we have been putting off talking about well we haven't

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been putting off. We keep forgetting, forgetting Every week about

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we record a podcast and as soon as we're done,

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you know, we flip the mics off. We're like, oh great,

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we forgot to talk about Dallas. We are coming to Dallas,

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though it's coming to Tech says this June for Pride.

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I have actually never been to Texas before. I've only

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to Dallas or anything like that. Very excited about that

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badge of Pride. The Pride Group in Dallas has partnered

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us the night of June twenty fifth, twenty twenty five

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at the Bishop Arts Theater Center in Oakliffe in Dallas

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for a night and Unforgettable evening as Tom and Lawrence

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to take the stage to dive deep into how RuPaul's

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Drag Race honors LGBTQ plus cultural traditions. What we're really

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going to do is, of course, this is in support

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of our book Legendary Children, the first decade of RuPaul's

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Drag Race in the last century of queer life. And

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that Legendary Children is still spurring on conversations five years

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after publication, that we are still every Pride We're going

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Speaker 2: It's always a remind every every Pride month that how

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important needs to talk about it and and and we

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always we still get invitations and you know they mentioned

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our book and we're talking about every time.

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legendary children still has a life and that we can

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go out into the world every June and contribute to

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the conversation about Pride and about our cultural history. So

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to that end, we decided we're going to do a bit.

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We're going to focus for this talk almost exclusively on

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trans women and their contributions to the culture. We feel

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like this year, more than ever, we need to start

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elevating and supporting trans women absolutely, yeah, and this is

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our way of doing So We're going to be doing

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a Pride event in Dallas, and we're going to be

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focusing on trans women in histories.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do our part as we always try

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we need to be uh, you know, talk more about

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it and and do whatever we can to always say

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something great that matters.

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Speaker 1: That is Wednesday, June twenty fifth, twenty twenty five at

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the bishops Are sitter In Center in Dallas. You can

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go to our website toime on Lorenza dot com and

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all of the infotus right at the top of the page.

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Would love to see you. There is a ticketed event.

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There are seats that are free, but there are also

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paid reserve seats and with those you get a sign

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copy of our books. So sign up early, sign up often.

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Would love to see you there in June.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we excited to see you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Severn's sevens this week was all about sexy times and

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romance and love, try and goals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting to see those those couples, you know,

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like there was a little story about each one of them.

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Speaker 1: Each one of the little severed and thes is having

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a moment Mark and Helly Are they took their any

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relationship to the next level. It was an interesting development

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because I was I'm sure if Mark was going to

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tell her about what happened at the bill, but he did,

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and I thought that was great because it was nice

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to see characters cutting through the bullshit. One of my

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complaints earlier in the season was I can't stand these

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shows where the entire narrative hangs on characters not saying

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things to each other that in any situation people would

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say something, So it was just nice to see something.

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He just came right out with it.

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I thought it was very mature and very interesting actually

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because she you know, a little more irrational. I mean,

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of course she was upset at first, but then, you know,

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I think it was a little more rational when she

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talked about boy, okay, you had sex with her, but

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you thought it was me so more like a conversation

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about it. Well, yeah, I thought that was an explosion.

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I thought it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: They were somewhat emotionally mature about it, and I think

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the show went to lengths to show that they were

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both emotionally mature about it. Was very sensitive to what

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this news meant to her, and he felt very you know,

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he was in his dealings with her. He was very

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caring of her perceptions. And she disconnected and went off

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by herself and processed it and then came back. All

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of this is very very grown up, and we don't

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see this level of emotional intelligence in their audeys. And

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this goes to a point that I think the show

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was working towards, which is that denies are better people

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than their audis right, right, Let's talk briefly about that.

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certain innies are less differentiated from their oudeys than others.

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And Mark is like the number one example of that.

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Marx Any and Marx Audi are not that different different.

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Marx Audi is deeply, deeply depressed man because of his

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wife's death where he thinks his wife died marx and

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he doesn't have that trauma, but marx Any has a

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sort of melancholy that he carries around the office all

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day long. Uh, and that's clearly something he's bringing in

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from the outside. They both have a very sardonic, very

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sarcastic sort of way of responding to things, and that

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is there's almost no difference in that. Then you get

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to someone like Helly, who is, if we believe what

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we're seeing, she's a complete one eighty from her Audi.

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Her Audi is they they talk different, they have different

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facial expressions, they walk different, completely different. Personality is completely different.

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And I think this does go to perhaps there are

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going to be questions. I think as the series goes

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on about how your any develops, and I think there's

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a question of when you're any is such a one

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eighty from your audi, how much of that is is

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you actually exerting control over the process, like you are

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you going down there and just shedding all the parts

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of yourself that you don't like?

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Speaker 2: Interesting?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think these are questions that I see

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for me, That's that's what's interesting about That's what's interesting

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about the show. Not the friggin goats, not any all

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that here stuff and all frolic and all that weird

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ass shit. No, it's the stuff about memory and personality

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and what kind of person would do this? And they

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a bit It was way more about that than about

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like fucking goats or Gwendolen Christie acting like a crazy woman.

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I agree, Yeah, so I'm sorry, I just want to

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And then there's Dylan, Oh my god, yeah who who?

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His any is confident and funny and much I think

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he's not. I think, well, you know, actually he's kind

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of a dick. Dylan is kind of a dick in

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it's sort of a jovial dick. Let's put it that way.

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But he's a smart ass to the people around him,

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whereas Aldi Dylan is kind of MOPy and he's kind

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of a loser, and he's obviously not emotionally available for

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his wife. And we'll get into that whole thing. And

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then there's Irving. And I have to say, after all

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this time, especially after this episode, Irving is still something

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of a blank slate. He is still not very well

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explained any or audi And I think you have to

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when you if you're looking at mysteries and what you

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have to look at where the holes are right in

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the narrative, and Irving is one big hole. He is

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one big blank space where there's certain things about him

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that are not that indicate there's more than but they're

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not telling you anything. You don't know even though we've

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spent a couple episodes with him. What do you know

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about Irving's abby, You don't know anything about it After.

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Speaker 2: That conversation to dinner conversation, you know even less. I mean,

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there's nothing. I mean, you don't know a.

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Speaker 1: Thing about it, right, And you know a little bit

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about Dylan, you know a little bit of out Mark,

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you know a little bit about Helly, but Irving nothing.

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There's some indication that he has a military background. Whi's

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right there, Let's tell you all right, well, you know

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you don't give a character a military background without for

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no reason. But anyway, let's get back to.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: So that's my whole take is that if you look

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at the innies in the outys, there's differences in how

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far apart their personalities are. And I think some of

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that is an indication of where the show is going,

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because I think some of these people would be much

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better off. You know, Helena would be a better person

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if she would just let Helly take the wheel. Dylan

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would be a better person if he let you know, Dylan,

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Dylan's any take the wheel.

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Speaker 2: And it does feel like the show he's developing them,

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the Aenies and audis, you know.

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Speaker 1: And clearly showing that the audis are are lacking. I don't.

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I think the show makes the point quite effectively that

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people don't undergo severance unless there's something wrong with them.

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There's some point in there, there's something in their life

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they're trying to escape.

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Speaker 2: Right, running away from, or trying to change.

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Speaker 1: Right the broken people similar to Lost, where everybody who

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was on that island was a broken person. I think

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that's that's very much a severance thing, is that all

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of these people are broken. There's an early aughts TV

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show from Joss Whedon called Dollhouse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah remember you watching?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it. It's really exploitive and gross in that

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early aughts Joss Whedon sort of way, but it was

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an interesting story about people having their their personalities wiped,

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deliberately having their personalities wiped, and what sort of people

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would do that. And the show lasted two seasons and

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he was given time to wrap it up before it

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was canceled, so it tells a complete story, and the

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way the season the series progresses, it basically comes to

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the conclusion that the mind wiped people are better off

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than their original personalities. And I feel like that's where

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Sevrance is going, where there's either going to be an

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integration of these personalities or some of them are just

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going to take over completely. In the case of Mark,

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you want to see a sort of integration. You want

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to see the sort of relatively happier version of himself

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out in the outside world.

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Speaker 2: Whole thing with his wife. I mean, let's not forget that.

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Speaker 1: Right, and then with Helena, you're like, no, I just

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want Helle to take over that body because Helene is

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a monster. So all right, let's go into all the

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little designations. So Helen and Mark, why don't you start

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talking about Helen Mark having sex in that empty room.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting it clearly they're developing a

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relationship here. I mean, they clearly want each other. Oh yeah, yeah,

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and I think that you can see that more happening.

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I don't know how he's going to deal with having

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a relationship with Helen at the same time looking for

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his wife.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's I don't think he's interested in looking

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for his wife anymore anymore.

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, but she keeps showing up in his head.

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00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: You know, Well that's because of value Mark and his integration.

471
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,319
But I don't think any Mark is all that interested

472
00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:11,720
in finding his wife because who's his wife? He doesn't

473
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,519
that's right, that doesn't mean anything to him. He doesn't

474
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:15,799
have feelings for miss Casey.

475
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: I think.

476
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: When they had sex in that room, I was like, wow,

477
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,799
anies really are naive. How could they not be naive?

478
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:29,400
They have no outside experience, But I mean, do they

479
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,559
really think no one's watching.

480
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: They watch everything, so I'm sure they watched off.

481
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: We didn't see anybody watching. But Helena Egan showed up

482
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,680
in that restaurant that night. She stalked him in the

483
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,400
outside world, which indicated to me that she knew what

484
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,039
happened in the She.

485
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: She's clearly interested in him, So maybe that's I don't know,

486
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,039
maybe she sees that. Yeah, I don't know what's in

487
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,200
what's going on in her head. Maybe she feels like,

488
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,599
all right now, it's I have a chance of I

489
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,119
don't know when him may fight. Yeah, I tend to

490
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,680
be in any I.

491
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: Don't think Helene Egan has much of a life right,

492
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,039
and I don't think there's much love in her family,

493
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,920
like her father clearly seems to hate her.

494
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,319
Speaker 2: I think she wants that life, that new life that

495
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,799
she discovered. You know, I don't know.

496
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,319
Speaker 1: She doesn't even think the Anis are people. She called

497
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,200
them monsters like she's not. She's not a good person.

498
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,960
I know she wants to exploit her in, but she

499
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,839
doesn't want her any She doesn't want to be her

500
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,519
any I don't think so she wants to be in

501
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:35,359
charge of the company. Uh. So Mark's encounter with her

502
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,240
in that restaurant, I think is what well, I know,

503
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:40,960
it's what spurred him on to finally have the more

504
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,519
extreme version of his integration done because.

505
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: He understood that he's been watched these they want, they

506
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,000
know more than they're telling him, and he doesn't like that.

507
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's been doing all this corporate espionage

508
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,400
and suddenly the CEO of Lumen is sitting across them

509
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,440
at a restaurant. He's not stupid. If any might be naive,

510
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:01,960
but Mark Aubi doesn't seem to be a naive person.

511
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,119
Having said that he's down in his basement having a

512
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,400
woman split his skull open under no sort of sanitary

513
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,799
conditions whatsoever. That scene was hard to watch, and I

514
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,119
I mean sometimes that stuff does take you out of

515
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,720
it just a little bit, because obviously the science of

516
00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:24,920
this show is not realistic. But even so, I'm like,

517
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:28,039
you can't split open someone's skull in their basement and

518
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,440
then tape it up. You can't do that. To be fair,

519
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,240
It's pretty clear that Mark ended the episode having a stroke,

520
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,920
so there were obviously there were repercussions to this. I

521
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,319
do think Regaby, the woman who split his head open,

522
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:51,000
is another is a big mystery, big mystery. Like I think,

523
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,640
we're so looking at Helly and Mark and a little

524
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,799
bit at Dylan and his wife, and I really think,

525
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160
like you really need to be paying attention to people

526
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,279
like Regabi and Irving and Bird.

527
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,559
Speaker 2: It just feels like she's not telling him the whole story.

528
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,359
Speaker 1: There's way telling him the whole story. There's just no way.

529
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:12,799
So moving on from Mark and Helly, there's Dylan and

530
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:16,279
his wife, and she is clearly cheating on her husband.

531
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,160
With her husband interesting, this, this is the kind of

532
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,440
stuff I love. I love this sort of unpacking of

533
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,039
what it means to have a severed personality because she's

534
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:28,319
she's not actually cheating on her husband, just seeing the

535
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:30,880
best version of him in the slot.

536
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,319
Speaker 2: And she's fascinated by it.

537
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:36,359
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, yeah, he's more attentive to her,

538
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,480
he is infatuated with her, He is very sweet with her.

539
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:44,039
And the outside, the Aldi version of him is dismissive

540
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:51,039
and sullen and there is no emotional anything. As I said,

541
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,240
as I keep saying, people who want Togo Severns are

542
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:58,599
broken people, and the show was exploring the various ways

543
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,039
in which these characters are broke, and I guess the

544
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,559
endgame is how they wind up healing, you know, whether

545
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:08,839
they integrate or whether they're any takes over or whatever.

546
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: I wonder if she started working for the company so

547
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,839
she can be with with the any version.

548
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: She'd be severed, so she wouldn't get anything out of it. Yeah,

549
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,400
that's the thing.

550
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: That's how this that's when it gets complicated.

551
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like when she lied to her Ali husband

552
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,559
and said that they canceled the appointment, and my first

553
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:29,119
thought was, well, that's going to be easy for him

554
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:30,839
to check. And then I was like, no, actually, that's

555
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,119
going to be nearly impossible for the check. She's she's

556
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,759
got a perfect situation here.

557
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,799
Speaker 2: Uh. And like I.

558
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,319
Speaker 1: Said, there's there's you know, she's not actually cheating on

559
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:45,720
her husband, you know what I mean, She's not, but

560
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,160
it does bring up a lot of interesting question and uh,

561
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,680
that brings me to Bert and Irving. That whole scene

562
00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,799
was fantastic because it was three really great acts, Jan

563
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,960
and Christopher Walking and John Noble. I mean, come on,

564
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,480
that doesn't get it doesn't get any better than that,

565
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,559
but and playing queer guys.

566
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: I mean there was.

567
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Three of the least queer. Not that I had a

568
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,920
problem with the portrayals. They whatever, They were perfectly understandable,

569
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,440
but yeah, they that wasn't a very queer scene. Not

570
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,759
to me, it didn't feel that way. One of the

571
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:31,519
interesting things about that scene is that, uh, John Noble

572
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,960
starts telling a story that they start telling a story

573
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000
about why Christopher Walkin's character when I underwent Severance, and

574
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:41,319
they start talking about their time in the church. They're

575
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:46,359
both you know, devout luther churchgoers, and John Noble mentions

576
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:49,759
the church's position on Severn's and I was like, as

577
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:51,359
soon as he started talking about it, I was like, well,

578
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:55,119
that's interesting. The show has never really dealt with, I guess,

579
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,799
not just religion, but the outside world in general. There's

580
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:00,799
you know, people are weird about Severans people or you know,

581
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,440
Dylan didn't get that job at the door factory because

582
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,920
of Severance, and so obviously people have ideas about it.

583
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,640
But it was one of the first times that there

584
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,200
was a larger cultural reference to something bigger, like, oh,

585
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,960
I guess the church would have a problem, it would

586
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,880
have you know, a yeah. And it did make me,

587
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,480
you know, just when they do that, it's like, well,

588
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,240
how far are they going to open this up? I mean,

589
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:28,960
what is what is the government stands on on Severn's

590
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,279
that sort of thing. But anyway, that's that's a different

591
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,599
set of questions. This episode was all about matters of

592
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,880
the heart, matters of the bodies. So three gay men

593
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:45,680
having their little polykule dinner. Clearly, Christopher Walkin is not

594
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,119
a good guy, and I thought that going into this episode.

595
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,079
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, the fact that he was kind of

596
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:56,559
stalking in a way and watching what Irving was doing,

597
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,400
I think more. But at the same time, you know,

598
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,119
you're not very clear about Irving. I mean, can you

599
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,519
trust Irving? Yeah? Yeah?

600
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: Starting with Christopher walking he is lying about his time

601
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:14,960
with Severns because his husband let slip up that he

602
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,839
had been working for Luhmen for twenty years and Severns

603
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,480
has only been around for twelve and he tried to

604
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,000
cover that, but it was clearly a lie. Even Irving

605
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:24,880
just saw it for the lie that it was. So

606
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,400
why is he lying about his time with Luhmen?

607
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:31,799
Speaker 2: Who knows? Right? And at the same time, I don't know,

608
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,200
I mean I don't trust Irving. I mean what version

609
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,279
of Irving are we watching? And which one needs he

610
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:39,960
truly revealing right.

611
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,279
Speaker 1: Like I said, he is the big hole in the story.

612
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,960
You really don't know anything about Irving as an audie.

613
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:49,119
You know that there's some military stuff in his background,

614
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,839
but that's it. And I do think it's interesting any

615
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,359
has been killed. We have spent several episodes now with

616
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,519
his abbie, and we really don't know who he is,

617
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,559
really don't know. He clearly has an agenda, we have

618
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,119
no idea what that is. Like when we look at Mark,

619
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,240
we know exactly what Mark's agenda is. When we look

620
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,559
at Dylan, we know that he doesn't really have an agenda.

621
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,440
But when we look at Irving, he clearly has so

622
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,880
much going on, but we have absolutely no idea what

623
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,719
it is. And I really think there's a big twist

624
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:22,440
coming with Irving, that there's something about his personality, his background,

625
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,360
or what he's doing that has been kept from the

626
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,280
audience up until now. But obviously there's something going on

627
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:36,119
with that guy. I question whether Christopher Walkin was ever

628
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:41,719
severed interesting similar to Helly don't downstairs and acting.

629
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing once you open that door.

630
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:45,920
I mean, we don't know.

631
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,559
Speaker 1: One thing I want to note is that I think

632
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,519
the show goes to some lengths to show you that,

633
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,280
for instance, well not for all three of them, Irving

634
00:34:56,119 --> 00:35:04,639
and Dylan and Mark, they live in rather humble houses.

635
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,599
They don't clearly. And then you go to Christopher Walkin's

636
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:11,639
house and it's palatial, and you think, well, okay, what

637
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:14,400
did he do for a living? Why was what did

638
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,360
he get paid for when he was wearing you know

639
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,719
what I mean? Like, the indication is immediate that he's

640
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,760
not just another Lumine employee.

641
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: Interesting.

642
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's he's on the board or something

643
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,559
like that. I think he's high ranking. Granted, it's weird

644
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,079
because it's a small town and you, I don't know

645
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:35,000
how well these people can hide in it. But whatever,

646
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:37,360
we don't know anything about that surrounding town. It's just

647
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,440
always nighttime and it's always cold, and that's true.

648
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

649
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,679
Speaker 1: One of the things that it should be noted is

650
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,719
that Irving went to dinner at Bird's house and while

651
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,920
he was out, that dude from Lumen from the board

652
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,039
broke into his house and went through his things.

653
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,159
Speaker 2: So he knew he was he knew he was going

654
00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,719
to be out.

655
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: This is an indication that Christopher walking is up to know.

656
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,079
Speaker 2: Maybe the whole dinner was planned so that he could

657
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:05,599
go right.

658
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,559
Speaker 1: And then the guy from from Luhmen who he's rifling

659
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,440
through that chest and Irving. You know, there's clearly Irving

660
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:16,239
stalking people. He is stalking Loomin employees, and so there's

661
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,559
something going on there. I have no idea what it is,

662
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,400
but I do think, uh, I think there's a big

663
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,679
twist coming, and I think it's probably Irving and Bert related.

664
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:29,599
There's something there that we are not being told.

665
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: A great Yeah, no, I totally agree. And also I

666
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:39,159
find interesting, you know, it's a little subtle, but milkshake miltschik.

667
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,320
Also the whole transformation in a way that now he

668
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,039
wants to be, you know, more strict about everything.

669
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that scene with him trying to reduce his vocabulary

670
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,280
was yeah. Interesting, And it's.

671
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: Kind of sad in a way. I feel.

672
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's very sad that man's a mess.

673
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, and I don't know. And the whole

674
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:01,880
controlling I think if you when you really think about it,

675
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,039
you know, a company controlling how you you speak, what

676
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:11,280
you say, how you act and all that, and and cutting,

677
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,599
I don't know, getting rid of of your personality and

678
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,480
and what you can do for the company and all that,

679
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:20,760
especially as as as African American. I mean, the whole

680
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,679
thing is complicated. I think when you look at it

681
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,719
and when you're watching it right and you feel like

682
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,199
you're just controlling an employee in a way.

683
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: That guy's going to snap.

684
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah it that's as you said, that's when the show

685
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,159
gets interesting when they talk about when it's about the

686
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,760
employees and how they behave and how people behave and

687
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,079
and it'll be interesting to see if they continue with this,

688
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,440
that they then we're going to have two different worlds here,

689
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:51,480
you know, developing, So it'll be complicated but also interesting. Yeah.

690
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,079
Speaker 1: I think it's back on track. I think the show

691
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:56,199
is moving in a more interesting direction than it was

692
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,000
in the first couple episodes of the season. Like I

693
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:01,280
keep saying, I'm just not interested in things like goats

694
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,519
and kir and all that stuff. But when it's unpacking

695
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:09,480
the personalities and the psyches of the of these people,

696
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,559
I think that's when the show is at its best.

697
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:15,559
Speaker 2: So about that, no, Yeah, But like I said, the

698
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,079
last two episodes have been much better and more interesting,

699
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,559
and we'll see how it goes.

700
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break and then we'll be

701
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,039
back to talk about The White Lotus. Yes, we're back,

702
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,360
and we're going to wrap things up with a check

703
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,360
in on the second episode of the third season of

704
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,360
The White Lotus. Things are cooking, things are bubbling, but

705
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:39,159
there's no I think the story is taking its time,

706
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,519
and I actually think that that was the case in

707
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:43,719
the previous two seasons. It's like the third or fourth

708
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,840
episode where things really start picking up. Right now, you're

709
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,239
just hanging out with these various characters.

710
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,159
Speaker 2: It's interesting because when I watched the first episode for

711
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,880
the first time, I was like, Oh, I don't know

712
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,639
about this, but it's it's interesting the more you watch it,

713
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,960
because I've watched the first episode like three times already,

714
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,239
and you see more things the uh more, I don't know, subtle,

715
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:11,400
you know, performances and and things here and there and

716
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,239
and and you appreciate it a little more. That's what

717
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,480
I'm trying to say here. I do think and what

718
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:17,760
I talked to you about this, I do think that

719
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,719
Mike White does a very good job creating a world

720
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,480
that it's interesting and and and that we look at

721
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,000
it and we criticize and then we see the flaws

722
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:36,039
and we and you know, the dialogue is very interesting

723
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,880
and funny and sarcastic and all that. So if you

724
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,440
go with that. Uh, the the only issue when we

725
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,119
discussed this before is that it tends to repeat every

726
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:45,039
single season.

727
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same formula.

728
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of the same thing, different hotel, different city,

729
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:56,800
different country, But at the same time, it's interesting. I yeah, well,

730
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,000
we'll talk about the characters in general, but like I said,

731
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,639
I watched the episode three times already, and I'm not

732
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,239
interested in that family anymore. I think they're more far

733
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,960
more interesting characters than that main family.

734
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,159
Speaker 1: You know, they are, to my take, the least interesting

735
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:13,320
part of the show, because we've done this on the

736
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,239
White Lotos, We've done the checked out wealthy parents and

737
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,199
brad children storyline, and I'm not seeing anything like. All

738
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:24,599
they're doing here is adding incest and apparently some I

739
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:29,239
don't know, insider trading issue or whatever, but neither of

740
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,199
that interests me. I agree with you on that that

741
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,960
that family is just not interesting to me. The incest

742
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,079
thing is just I'm not I'm not titillated by that.

743
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:43,639
And I had to say, I know, people love her.

744
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,360
I love Parker Posi too, and I do think her

745
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,559
portrayal of that character is really funny. But I hope

746
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,039
they do something. I hope that's not it with that character,

747
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,119
where she's just this weirdo, drugged out mom who's checked

748
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:01,639
out all the time. I think Jason Isaacs is doing

749
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,880
great work. I do think that phone call with Ki

750
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,320
Hoi Kwan on the other end, was.

751
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: She really really funny.

752
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: Ho Kwan was really really funny in that phone call.

753
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,239
But yeah, I'm just not interested in that family. They're

754
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,400
just really wealthy and titled assholes and everybody. I don't care.

755
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:20,800
I hope you all get shot.

756
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: They're not interesting. I think, uh, they're just yeah, not interested,

757
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,199
you know. I love one side three two faced bitches

758
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,719
drinking wine. Oh my god, I love those and we

759
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,880
haven't seen anything yet.

760
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm with Leslie Bib and Carry Cone and Michelle Monaghan.

761
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: Leslie Bib, it's hysterical. I love her, Love the way

762
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,599
she talks, she's so funny.

763
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,119
Speaker 1: Love the way the three of them talk behind each

764
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,199
other's backs, and I just love it. It's actually really

765
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,000
really well done.

766
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,159
Speaker 2: I they're all.

767
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, they're all great, and Honestly, it's the three

768
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,280
of them are so good together. Their dialogue is so good,

769
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,920
the actresses are so good. I'm like, I could just

770
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,159
watch the three of you being has some aggressive bitches

771
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:03,480
with the for the rest of this season. I don't

772
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,719
no one has to shoot you or anything like that.

773
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:09,880
I know they're fun going.

774
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: Back a little bit too, uh, Parker Posy, I absolutely

775
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,519
worship that woman. I do. I do. I think she's phenomenal, funny,

776
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:19,440
funny as hell, But I do think she's a tiny

777
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,400
bit over the top number one, I think. I think so.

778
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,239
I think just a little little bit, a little bit, uh,

779
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,199
in a Jennifer kind of way, you know, like just

780
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,039
a little too much. Also, because I was on TikTok

781
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:33,840
and everything and when everyone was like, oh my god,

782
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,360
when she ordered food, her tie was perfect. Parker pos

783
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,920
Is tie was perfect, I was like, well, all right,

784
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,320
but would her character have that kind of tie?

785
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,599
Speaker 1: No, probably not.

786
00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:47,159
Speaker 2: Probably not. So I don't know. I feel like she's

787
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,360
great and I'll watch her due and you know, say anything,

788
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,280
But at the same time, I feel it's a little

789
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,800
over the top, just a tiny bit.

790
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: What do you think is the deal with the owner

791
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:05,000
of the of the resort, the woman who sang this episode,

792
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,480
and she's going off to Bangkok to see her husband.

793
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,440
And I mean, clearly there's a story there, but I'm

794
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,519
not sure what they're trying to think.

795
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: Is there some political corruption of some sort, business corruption

796
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,639
of some sort. I think that that's the story. Uh,

797
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,039
that's that's that's how I feel about it.

798
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: She you said you weren't impressed with her performance. I

799
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:24,280
thought it was very charming.

800
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,559
Speaker 2: I was. I was expecting a little better because she's fantastic. Apparently,

801
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,599
you know, she's big name.

802
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:31,679
Speaker 1: Is she the actress?

803
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: I think so, she's famous. I don't know. I was

804
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,599
expecting a little better. I thought it was okay. I

805
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:41,440
don't know, we'll see. I have to say my favorite

806
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,280
characters are the ones played by Lisa and and and Tame.

807
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,760
I believe his name is Tame. Uh yeah, Tam.

808
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: And gay talk, I think.

809
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he they are yeah, gay talk. They

810
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,480
are adorable.

811
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: They are adorable together. And he is the cutest face.

812
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: He is the cutest face. And the whole story with

813
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:03,159
you know, first of all, he's he's not really tie.

814
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,519
He's he was raised and born and raised in London,

815
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:11,880
and his parents are Tie, I believe, and he's a bodyguard.

816
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,079
Apparently he was a bodyguard before he got the All right, yeah,

817
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:18,079
that's the story I think. And Lisa is just phenomenal.

818
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:19,519
I'm so impressed at her.

819
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,599
Speaker 1: She's so cute.

820
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 2: I am in love with her character. I thought she

821
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,119
was Korean. I didn't know that she's Tie, and she's

822
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:29,920
just adorable the two of them together. So I'm more

823
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,599
interested in the those side characters than the main people,

824
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,480
Like I can't stand the family, to be honest. I

825
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:39,920
feel like we'll see what they do with Natasha with

826
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,199
Belinda's right character.

827
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: Yes, Belinda I think is going to get laid. Yeah,

828
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,639
that's good for her. Uh, they are taking their time

829
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,159
with her, like right, you know, I don't know, Like

830
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,400
there's just not a lot happening with her. I'm hoping

831
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,639
it'll pick up. She is about to recognize she doesn't

832
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,960
quite understand why she recognizes Greg, but she's about to

833
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,840
and I'm sure her story will pick up then.

834
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,559
Speaker 2: So that would be interesting. Now the robbery, I think.

835
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,639
Speaker 1: Right, so there was a hold up at the an

836
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,400
armed robbery at like the jewelry store on the resort

837
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,199
or whatever go ahead.

838
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: Which we believe that it's Greg, right, probably.

839
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: That was a young guy. Greg is No.

840
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's part of the thing. I

841
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:24,079
don't know.

842
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:31,199
Speaker 1: I think the Charlotte Labon's character, Greg's hooker girlfriend or whatever.

843
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,519
Speaker 2: It was a little suspicious, right.

844
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,519
Speaker 1: I think she's very suspicious. I said that from the beginning.

845
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:39,199
I was like, I think she's some sort of here's

846
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:42,679
the thing. I think you're supposed to believe that she's

847
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,440
Greg's next victim or something. And I actually think she

848
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:47,400
and Greg are working together, Like I think she's some

849
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,679
sort of con artist. Oh. Absolutely, I think she's the

850
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,000
one one after Chelsea, Like the way she goes after

851
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:53,000
Chelsea is and.

852
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,599
Speaker 2: The way they can't stand each other in a way,

853
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,199
like they're sort of like more of a business partnership

854
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,199
there than.

855
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,079
Speaker 1: I agree with that. So I think that whole thing

856
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:05,360
is shady. I don't know that I think they're involved.

857
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,159
I think that guy Valentine the.

858
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: Oh right, absolute, absolutely, because he was talking to to

859
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,599
to the gatak at the gay Yeah, I mean, he

860
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,320
was clearly distracting.

861
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: He seemed to be distracting him. But I think, uh, oh,

862
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,440
and there's someone else in the car. There's there was

863
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,760
a second person in that car, so there were two

864
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,199
people involved in that robbery. We only saw one of

865
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:33,800
them very covered up, and I think, you know, maybe

866
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,119
when a show goes to that length to cover up

867
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:39,760
what you're actually looking at. Clearly, whoever did that is

868
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,119
one of the cast. I mean we're talking about someone

869
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:42,719
in the cast.

870
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean someone who knew.

871
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,519
Speaker 1: But I don't see Greg pulling off a robbery. I

872
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,440
just first off, he's wealthy. Unless he blew through all

873
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,679
of Tanya's money, he's wealthy, so I don't know that

874
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,199
he would. He's probably doing more cons but I don't

875
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,559
think he's robbing jewelry stores. That doesn't seem like his style. Interesting,

876
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,119
let's see who else? Did we cover everyone?

877
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:07,159
Speaker 2: Pretty much?

878
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's going on with Walton Goggins,

879
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:12,760
his character and his obsession with the owner of the

880
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:14,679
I don't know what's going on there. I do think

881
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,000
it's interesting. He did have a rather interesting session with

882
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:23,039
that therapist where he basically said, I've never been unstressed

883
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:24,119
in my entire life.

884
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:26,559
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's interesting. I mean, clearly he wants to

885
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:27,880
kill the guy or do something.

886
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know about clearly. I don't think that's

887
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:30,559
clear at all.

888
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he's trying to find out where he is, Yeah,

889
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,840
and he's going to Bangkok to find him. So I

890
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,199
don't know.

891
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:40,039
Speaker 1: I don't know that he wants to kill him, but

892
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:41,320
I will see.

893
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, as you said, and I've I've read

894
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,119
a couple of reviews and we all feel the same

895
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:50,920
that it's like slow, it's going slow.

896
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:54,199
Speaker 1: That's going slow. That's why before we came back for

897
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,599
this portion of the podcast, I said to Loren's like,

898
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:58,320
this is gonna be really short because there's just not

899
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,280
a lot it's gonna pick but there's right now, there's

900
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,880
not a lot to talk about. I don't know where

901
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:03,440
it's going.

902
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:06,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, I watch it again and again

903
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,360
and I kind of appreciate it a little more because

904
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,880
it there are certain things that are very subtle, but

905
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,440
still I feel and the New York I had a

906
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:18,559
very good review about it, pretty much saying the same

907
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:22,119
that we all feel that it's the same story being

908
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:23,960
told over and over again, just it is just a

909
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,639
different hotel.

910
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: It is at this point, it's like the Love Boat,

911
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,239
you know, where it's just the same story. You're just

912
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,920
bringing in guest stars each week. It's basically you know,

913
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,800
Prestige TV, Love Boat and or Fancy Island. I don't

914
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,960
think I have anything that left to say. I just

915
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,519
to return to the park oposing thing. I do adore her,

916
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:48,199
and I do think her performance is funny, but she

917
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,800
feels completely out of step with the rest of that family.

918
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,360
And if yes, I agree, Like when you look at

919
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,960
Jason Isaac's character, would that guy stay with that woman?

920
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: Probably not? Probably not.

921
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:06,039
Speaker 1: He'd be with some younger, more you know, he wouldn't

922
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:10,119
be with some checked out, drugged out wife. And that's that's.

923
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:10,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

924
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: I love her character, but I'm not sure she actually

925
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,440
fits in the dynamic of that in family. Yes, you're right,

926
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,760
that's the part that I'm like, Yeah, she doesn't strike

927
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,400
me as like a wealthy Southern matriarch. She's some drugged

928
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,079
out boho weirdo.

929
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: I think she'd be better if she was by herself,

930
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,119
traveling by herself, you know, with some I.

931
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: Keep saying she's doing Jennifer cole Agehi, that's the problem.

932
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:36,840
You know, that's not. It's a different character, so you know.

933
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,599
Speaker 2: But you're right, now that I think about it, that

934
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:39,719
she does not belong to.

935
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: Do those kids seem like her kids?

936
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, No, that.

937
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Speaker 1: Woman raised Patrick schwarzen Anger's character. I don't see that.

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Speaker 2: And he's so annoying. Really well he's supposed to be, yeah,

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but I don't think he's doing a good job. I mean,

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the whole thing is annoying.

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Speaker 1: It's just I'm not my favorite character. Aside from those

942
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Carrie Coon and Michelle Monaghan and Leslie Bibb. I love

943
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Amy Leeuwood as Chelsea the British girl.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's perfect.

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Speaker 1: She's so perfect good. She's just so good. Every line

946
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reading is really funny and.

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Speaker 2: So yes, and she's so aware of where she is

948
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and what she means to the guy and what he

949
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means to her. Yeah. I just love that. Yeah, she's hysterical.

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Speaker 1: She's really good and we'll be back. I mean, well,

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I don't have anything else to.

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Speaker 2: Say about this, and I'm they did a good job

953
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presented that whole shooting thing, because that's all I can

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think about what happened there. I mean, you know, I

955
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mean I keep thinking about monkeys now because of you.

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Speaker 1: Because of you, they might either think that they might

957
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either think the monkeys keep talking about.

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Speaker 2: The monkeys all the time. Everything is over. But the monkey,

959
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the monkey's coming. Oh my god, I couldn't sleep. Good monkey, monkey,

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Monkey's monkey. So I don't know, but now that's all

961
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I think about it. The monkey with a guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, we all wrapped up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right again. Interested, I'm gonna watch it

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because it's great acting, it's great. You know, they're great people.

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The story not so much. But we'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with whatever across our eyes,

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acrosses our desks. Until then, take care of yourselves. Love

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you mean it.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye, bye bye