WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:08.480 Uh, casting thing, not about this, just something I've found 2 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:11.439 out today when I was looking up something else on 3 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:13.720 the internet and I was and I was reading about 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:16.440 an actor who's related to another actor, and I was like, 5 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:18.000 oh my god, I'll random is that? 6 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:19.440 Okay, we'll get to it. 7 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:21.960 There's not really a good way to segue into it. 8 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:24.280 Yeah, no, I feel that, all right, Just remind me 9 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:25.199 or I'll try to remind me. 10 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:26.719 I'll just probably just bring it up. 11 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:33.200 Yeah, yeah, in and off topic fashion exactly. Yeah. You 12 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.320 ever watch these Marvel flicks? 13 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:36.920 You got good volume? Yeah, I'm good. 14 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.200 Yeah, okay, you ever watch these Marvel flicks, whether it's 15 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:42.520 the TV shows, the movies whatever, or the special presentation 16 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:46.119 special presentations. With this Punisher thing we're watching today, how 17 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:48.600 much impact do you think we, as the viewers, the 18 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:52.000 Cretans as I oftentimes describe us, have an impact on 19 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:55.520 what ultimately ends up happening, Like when we want to 20 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.200 see the X Men brought in, when we want this 21 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.640 Punisher thing to be something that it ultimately isn't. Still great, 22 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:03.920 but like how much of it do you think is 23 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:05.719 the ultimate plan? And how much of it do you 24 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:07.200 think is it? Like, well, you know what if all 25 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:09.159 the viewers think we're going this way, why don't we 26 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:10.959 headfake and take it over this way? 27 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:13.480 Can't Mr? If I told you this, and I heard 28 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.120 this from somebody, it was a producer or a director 29 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:19.439 or somebody they're talking about. It might have been Actually, 30 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:21.239 it might have been Figy. I don't think it was Figy, 31 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:26.640 but it was somebody, somebody prolific in their field. And 32 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:32.879 they said that if you start if the how did 33 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:37.519 this go? If you make movies for the public, or 34 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:41.040 if you give the people what they want see I'm 35 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:43.599 butchering it there. Yeah, it's something to the effect of 36 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:47.000 people don't want to watch what they want because if 37 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:50.519 they did, they just make it themselves for sure. Sure, basically, 38 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.280 so you kind of have to to. I mean, I 39 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:58.000 think it's under it's it's nice knowing what the people want, 40 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:01.000 but ultimately, I mean, people have a direction of what 41 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:04.519 they want their art to be. And knowing that you 42 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:08.080 can't please all people all the time, why would you 43 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.520 let that creep into you know, your integrity and how 44 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:14.919 you're gonna tell a story. So I think we, as 45 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.800 the pleabs, the what did you call us, we have 46 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:25.719 very little impact on what movies get made, what series 47 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:31.319 get made. Ultimately, you know, the showrunner, the screenwriter. I mean, 48 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.800 they're gonna do what they're gonna do, and ultimately they're there. 49 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.599 I mean you think about spider Man right, where we 50 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:41.400 had Paul spider Man. Yeah, sorry, Phil spider Man. I always, 51 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:43.360 ever since I saw that episode of Friends, I just 52 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.639 always say, spider Man, spider Man. You think about what 53 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:50.400 we got in spider Man three, which was No Way Home. Yeah, 54 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.680 we were, I mean just craving. Yeah, Toby maguire and 55 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.039 Andrew Garfield to share the screen with Tom Holland, right, 56 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.360 So eventually they had, you know, they had to give. 57 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.479 It or what's his name as mister Fantastic in The 58 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.240 Doctor Strange Krazinski right, Like, I feel like there are 59 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.879 moments where they just scour Channing Tatum as dambits. Like 60 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:11.080 there's moments. 61 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:13.680 Although the Channing Tatum with Gambit thing that wasn't like 62 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:15.000 a that was. 63 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.000 But it's fan appeasement, you know something. But it was 64 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:20.080 going to happen. 65 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:21.560 That specific one. I don't think it was because I 66 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.879 think he actually was going toe. That was for a while. 67 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.000 Then Fox twentieth Century Fox went belly up and that 68 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:29.080 kind of was the end of that. 69 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:30.879 You know, I spent one night at the bar with 70 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:34.919 my buddy who is also a huge superhero comics fan 71 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.240 or whatever, and we went through and we tried to 72 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.639 cast the X Men like you know, like the this 73 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:43.039 is when the X Men came out, right, but obviously 74 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:45.319 that didn't include all the X Men. Sure, yeah, And 75 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.599 so we were like, okay, who's gonna play Juggernaut? Who's 76 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:50.360 gonna you know, and we're doing like Magnetos and uh, 77 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:52.080 and we got to Gambit and then you know who 78 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.280 we settled on. And now, granted this is like early 79 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:57.919 two thousands, Yeah, like Matthew McConaughey would make a great game. 80 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.319 He would, yeah at that point. 81 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:02.759 At that and not anymore. Obviously you're back to ever like, 82 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:06.719 how is McConaughey not playing Gamut? So anyway, Yeah, I 83 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:09.639 mean I think it goes and was the what did 84 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:13.240 the Krasinski thing really affect the plot at all at all? 85 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:15.000 Was that was more appeasement, like you're. 86 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:18.920 Now yeah, and then going the opposite direction, Ralph Bohner, 87 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:20.759 who we all thought was going to be. 88 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.160 Uh, that was just quick silver. That was a troll job. 89 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:24.959 That was rage bait, as my kids would say. 90 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.319 Yeah, I found out, and it was us, us waiting 91 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.120 and waiting and waiting for Mephisto to show up, and 92 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:33.399 then only for him to show up in like the 93 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.240 least Watch the Marvel thing. Ever, was it really not? 94 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:38.319 It's not very was No. 95 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.360 Did you at what I don't even know. We've talked 96 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.600 about this. Did you at what point did you realize 97 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:43.839 that was Mephisto? 98 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:46.720 Yeah, we did talk about it. It took a while because 99 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:49.720 I wasn't expecting it at all, and so, like, I 100 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:51.879 really didn't put two and two together. I can't remember 101 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.879 specifically because to be frank h, iron Heart was very 102 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.800 forgettable outside of the Mefisto stuff. 103 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:57.120 Yeah. 104 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.839 So, I mean that's a problem in and of itself. 105 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.680 And it sounds like I'm gonna say I hate this. 106 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:06.600 I thoroughly enjoyed the Punisher, the last kill. It wasn't 107 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:10.720 what I was expecting in this. I think you had 108 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:12.839 because you are of the two of us, you always 109 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:17.160 come in much more thoroughly prepared than I do in terms. 110 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:18.519 Of Sometimes that's a detriment. 111 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.600 Though I agree, that's like it's an active choice. It's 112 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:22.639 not like I'm being lazy. It's like, I don't want 113 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:25.279 to know any extra details about this before I go 114 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:27.319 and see it, because people are too good at predicting 115 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:29.680 stuff and I don't want to come across that kind 116 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:33.639 of stuff. So, like, I went into yesterday expecting a 117 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:39.399 quasi feature length film focusing on this iteration of the 118 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:41.519 Punisher played by I always say his last name wrong. 119 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:47.279 It's Burenthal Barenthal, Berhall Burnenthal, John Burnenthal, which in my opinion, 120 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:49.839 is the epitome of what the Punisher is. I think 121 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:51.959 he does a phenomenal job, and he did a phenomenal 122 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.319 job in this as well. I was expecting it was 123 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:56.959 going to be him escaping from his predicament at the 124 00:05:57.079 --> 00:05:59.680 end of Their Devil season one, and kind of like 125 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.920 what he was doing during the entirety of Daredevil Born 126 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.920 Again season two, where he does not show up once, 127 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.279 where they're bringing Jessica Jones in Luke Cage all these 128 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.240 other New York City style vigilante heroes, and he didn't 129 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:20.360 show up on street level, and I kind of was 130 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:24.079 expecting to get like a pretty lengthy endeavor, whereas this 131 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:29.160 felt like ten year old Ben picking a random comic 132 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:31.079 out of the comic story, and I kind of like 133 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:33.120 this feel. Again, for the record, it's gonna sound at 134 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:35.839 times like I hated this. I didn't, but he kind 135 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:39.079 of felt like I grabbed a random comic that told 136 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:42.319 a random story. Meanwhile, all the other comics I have 137 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.319 are telling me the Infinity War story, and then I 138 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.240 just get a story about this happening about this one 139 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:51.959 hero who I like, separate of anything, not impacting the 140 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:56.199 Uber plot in any way, just telling a nice cohesive 141 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:01.079 story in forty five minutes. Maybe it says it's a 142 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:05.439 fifty minute runtime, but that includes intro credits and ultro credit. 143 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:07.519 I think it was forty nine. Yeah, like with and 144 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:10.639 I was waiting for the spoiler alert. No no, uh 145 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:11.600 no credits. 146 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:13.480 No credits. But like I will say, and this will 147 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.480 be quasi spoiler filled. As we said off the air, 148 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:18.480 there's nothing to really spoil, but we're going to talk 149 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.959 about the plot in its intimate details because there's basically 150 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.759 two facets to this story. There's sad Frank Castle and 151 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:29.279 then there's angry Frank Castle, and that that's basically. 152 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.920 What we're dealing with. You know, I think Angry Frank 153 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.519 Castle had to come out because of the of the 154 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:39.000 plot here. That okay, so let's let's get into it. Yeah, 155 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.680 to just just before we do, I want to echo 156 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.120 something you said. This The whole thing felt extraneous, Like 157 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.639 I got done watching it, I'm like, why did they 158 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:48.040 make this? 159 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:50.199 I think, I well, we'll get into why I think 160 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:52.160 they made it, but it doesn't connect to the story 161 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:52.560 at all. 162 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.360 No, I mean even like before you and I were talking, 163 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.920 we didn't even know for sure at what point this 164 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:03.160 in the chronology, we didn't know when it was. Yeah, 165 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:08.720 and we think they know, but I feel like a 166 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:10.759 real world they got now you think you know, but 167 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:14.839 you have no idea or not real world? What was that? Uh? 168 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:19.879 True true? What was it called? Was my diary? Yeah? 169 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:22.959 No, no, yeah, it wasn't my diary true life. 170 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:23.959 Or true true life. 171 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.199 I can't I know what you like, you unlocked the memory, 172 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:28.800 but I don't remember what the name of it was. 173 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:34.840 But anyway, so it felt extraneous because this was basically 174 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:39.440 the story of Frank Castle. Like what was great about 175 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.919 it is you didn't need to see Dared Devil Born Again. 176 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.879 You didn't need to see The Punisher the television series. Now, 177 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:48.440 and you didn't even really need to know who the 178 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.200 Punisher was, because in forty nine minutes they put this 179 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.919 together where you understand this is a man who clearly 180 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.360 was was former military. I mean that they made that 181 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:02.919 pretty obvious that this his family die, right, and when 182 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:04.799 we found out through oh we have to talk about 183 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:06.679 the sound? Was your sound weird? 184 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:07.399 No? 185 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.639 Oh, my god, then we have to talk about this. 186 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:20.000 So he he basically is fighting between what do I 187 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.679 do with my life now that my family, my whole 188 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.320 life is gone. Do I fight back against the people 189 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:29.399 that did this or people like this, you know, do 190 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:31.159 I fight back? Or do I just try to live 191 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.440 my own life? He obviously still had PTSD. Then we 192 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:38.639 enter into the second act, which was we were introduced 193 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:41.039 to the antagonist of the story, and then the third 194 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.080 act sort of resolved everything. And I feel like the 195 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:47.080 way that this resolved was kind of the way The 196 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:51.720 Punisher season two resolved itself, right sure, you know, and 197 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.799 and and nothing really changed in that sense, like it 198 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.200 almost seemed like Frank Castle was was going. So the 199 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.399 end of The Punisher season one was kind of like 200 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.120 I think he said something like, I don't for the 201 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:06.080 first time, I don't have a war to fight or 202 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:10.720 something something to that. To that, and then season two 203 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.960 obviously A War finds him again, right, and then this 204 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:19.120 special A War finds him again right, And I wonder 205 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.080 if this is just who he is now? Is is 206 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:24.960 no matter if it doesn't really matter if he decides 207 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:30.639 he's going to remove himself from this world of fighting 208 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:34.360 and war and anger and brutality and violence, it doesn't 209 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.600 matter if he wants to remove himself or not. He's 210 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.639 never going to be able to remove himself from He's always, 211 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:41.480 you know, we always going to be part of it. 212 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.039 I think he said something in The Punisher season two, 213 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.120 No he didn't, it was who is the guy Jigsaw? 214 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:50.639 In season one? I think he said something before his 215 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.240 face got all messed up. He said something like, you know, 216 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.840 you fight long enough, These fights always get dirty. It's 217 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.000 it's sort of the life we chose. Well, that's Frank 218 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:02.639 Castle kind of in a way chose that life too. 219 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:04.080 And this is a theme that. 220 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:05.279 Was I don't know where it was going with that, 221 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.320 but I just wanted to say, like this to your 222 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.519 whole I pulled out a single comic punisher. That's kind 223 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:13.960 of what this was. It was just another chapter in 224 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.639 this larger story. You know, yes, but but it wasn't 225 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:20.519 like defining at all. There's nothing there was nothing that 226 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.840 changed the story arc. There's nothing that changed. 227 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:25.000 Oh see, there was one thing that stuck. I love 228 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:25.759 it very thoroughly. 229 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:26.279 I love it here. 230 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:27.919 And that's why I said I want to be able 231 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.200 to talk spoilers because this is the last scene of 232 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.279 the show that I'm about to describe. Not technically relevant 233 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.000 to the plot in any way of the show, but 234 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:38.120 the last scene. Nevertheless, he comes out decked out in 235 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.440 his punisher gear. Yeah, and in my opinion, and correct 236 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:43.559 me if I'm wrong, because I've seen the show. I 237 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:45.759 loved the show. Haven't seen it in a while, it's 238 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.279 been like seven years. Yeah, and I didn't rewatch it 239 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.799 or anything like that. For the purposes. What stuck out 240 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.120 to me about the ending of this of that this 241 00:11:54.200 --> 00:12:00.279 particular special was he comes across a guy act like 242 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.720 a jag off yep, and what he's doing is sucks, 243 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:05.759 but it doesn't suck as much as something he did 244 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.799 earlier in the show by a country mile and Frank 245 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.799 Castle shows up, sees that he's doing something that sucks, 246 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:13.600 is about to kill him and kind of has like 247 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.279 a come to Jesus moment. He's like, Okay, what he's 248 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:19.200 doing right here does not deserve death, and he kind 249 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:20.840 of lets him go and he runs away. Then the 250 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:22.919 homeless Man's like, actually, he did a lot more to 251 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.159 me than just take my hat, and he's like oh, 252 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:27.279 and then he blows his face off. Yeah, once he 253 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.000 realizes what's going on. And to me as the viewer, 254 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:34.399 that says, Okay, we're about to see this grizzled character 255 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:38.440 in a much more kid friendly version of himself in 256 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:41.279 a Spider Man movie, and we are showing you through 257 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:44.559 the purposes of his growth during this forty five minute period, 258 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:47.879 that he is no longer the kill everything everyone all 259 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.480 the time immediately in front of me for every infraction, 260 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:52.879 Frank Castle, this is a guy who has come to 261 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:55.200 grips with what he is, knows what his purpose is 262 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:57.600 in life. And if you see it with Spider Man 263 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:02.120 not wantonly killing everybody, that is in line with the 264 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:04.759 new with this version of the Punisher right now. 265 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:07.679 And that's a valid point, but I still think you could, 266 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:09.840 as the viewer, you could take it to the opposite 267 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.279 and say, ultimately, what's the last thing we see is 268 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.320 him wasting this guy. Yes, so you could be you 269 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:19.440 could you could also take from that being that, Okay, 270 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.960 maybe there's been some evolving here, but he's still who 271 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.399 he is. Yes, because ultimately the last thing we see 272 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.840 as the viewer, and that the that the that the 273 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:31.120 screenwriter and the director wanted us to see, was him 274 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:31.799 killing a guy. 275 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:34.039 But so that's that's having your cake and eating it too. 276 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:34.960 Then right, we can. 277 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:36.720 Watch Spider Man, Well. 278 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:38.480 He didn't kill anyone there, and then the next time 279 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:40.720 he kills him when it's like, ah, well, he's still 280 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.480 so like he can go a full nine two hour 281 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.559 movie and not be the real punisher and you don't 282 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:48.440 feel like you broke character. And then the second you 283 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.559 see him in Daredevil's season three and he is just 284 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:53.559 waxing people again, and you're like, well, we we've we've 285 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:57.440 crossed a rubicon here and you know, now people gotta 286 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:58.120 get whacked. 287 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.200 I I really wish he would, and I hope it 288 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.519 was a scheduling thing that he wasn't in season two, 289 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:05.919 because season two of Born Again was more so than 290 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:10.080 season one, was this fight, internal fight that Matt Murdoch 291 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:14.000 had about how he doesn't want to take lives you know, 292 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:17.440 even though he should when when Bullseye is begging him 293 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:21.480 to and he doesn't, when Karen Page is is incredulous 294 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:23.240 that he's not any old. 295 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:27.039 Buck and Daniels situation. That's across all those characters exactly. 296 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:27.799 They're struggling. 297 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:30.879 And Frank Castle was just like, you know, black and white, 298 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.320 no gray area. And we saw that a little bit 299 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.720 in season one, right, and I thought season two would 300 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:36.559 have been even better. 301 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.320 But whatever, Yeah, and he was for the record, this 302 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.399 special in no way addresses why he wasn't in season 303 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:45.840 two exactly. And can you remember so is the Nucci 304 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.879 family was the scene? So that's like the main antagonist. 305 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:51.480 I was going to ask you, is it Nucci or Ganucci? Nucci? 306 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:52.559 It is Nucci? Okay? 307 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.320 Were they the antagonists in either of the seasons, Like 308 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:57.440 we're all those deaths of the show. 309 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:00.360 No, I think this is fresh now, it's I believe 310 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.799 it's comic lore that Frank Castle hilled these I didn't 311 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:06.480 realize he killed her husband. I thought he just killed 312 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:09.480 the sons. Sure, so so that was new to me. 313 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:15.120 So Maganucci do you know who played Maganucci special? Judith Light? 314 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.320 Do you know who Judith Light? Is Judith Light played 315 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:23.000 Angela opposite Tony Danza on Who's the Boss? Oh wow? Yeah, 316 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.919 Now I would not have recognized her at all. Uh 317 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:28.399 And then and I knew she was in this playing 318 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.279 Maganucci beforehand, so I knew it was her. He does 319 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.759 more research than I do. But yeah, if you looked 320 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.440 at it, I mean, like there's you can't tell. I mean, 321 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.039 knowing that it was her, I could kind of tell, oh, yeah, 322 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:42.039 that's Judith. I obviously super old now, I mean she 323 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.039 was in her you know, forties in the eighties when 324 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:46.480 she was on Who's the Boss song. 325 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.519 And I barely watched that show, So I don't think 326 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:50.440 I ever would have made like, there's no amount of 327 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:50.799 I would. 328 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:52.759 I couldn't. I couldn't name one other thing that she's in. 329 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:54.399 Yeah sure, yeah yeah. 330 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.360 And so like obviously though, and like full full uh 331 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.480 full disclosure here, Like I love the Thomas Jane Punisher movie. 332 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.200 I loved the uh what's that dude's name? The Punisher 333 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.360 war Zone. I was surprised how much I ended up 334 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.519 liking that movie. I actually took me a couple of times. 335 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:11.279 But I'm not gonna claim to be the biggest expert 336 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.399 on Punisher Lore. Outside of the movies in the series 337 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:16.399 that were publicized, they went out of their way to 338 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:19.759 make sure you noticed that ma Nucci is still alive 339 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:21.600 in Kicking, which leads me to believe it's not the 340 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:23.639 last time we're going to be coming across her, whether 341 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:25.919 that be in the Spider Man movie or another season 342 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:27.840 of something on this Disney Plus show. 343 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:29.559 I would have met. Yeah, I don't know how they're 344 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.559 gonna work because in the comics, again, I'm probably as 345 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:36.039 well versed or not as well versed as you are, 346 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.000 so both of us are kind of a blind a 347 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:40.759 little bit when it comes to Punisher Cannon. But it's 348 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.840 my understanding that she is a super villain from Marvel 349 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.600 with her the main she's mainly been the enemy of 350 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.440 the Punisher, sure, like that's who who she battles. 351 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.919 The more it strikes me out, like the Falcones are 352 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.840 like always screwing around with Batman like in the background, 353 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.200 and it's like, but realistically, Scarecrows the main threat, but 354 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.639 like the Falcones are off jerking around somewhere and it's like, 355 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:05.119 all right, I gotta be aware that they're doing stuff. 356 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:07.839 But this is definitely tier six stuff compared to the 357 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.400 obvious thing going on here. That's kind of what she 358 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.079 strikes me as. But I feel like they really went 359 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:14.519 out of their way. I think she was a very 360 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:20.079 cool character, like the quasi handicapped, bad badass, like like, oh, like, 361 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.160 this woman really doesn't have her wits about her, and 362 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.279 I can tell that people are still very scared of 363 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:26.319 who she is and what she represents. And she did 364 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.279 a great job of kind of conveying that kind of 365 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.319 frustration in the back and forth there. When it was 366 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:34.559 called one last Kill, I mean, I think it was 367 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:36.880 pretty clearly supposed to be him, based on the way 368 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.160 the plot was going on. But then once she got involved, 369 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.400 I'm like, oh, it's her. And then when she didn't vibe, 370 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:42.880 I was like, well, what's all this one last kill? 371 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:43.440 Bullshits? 372 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:45.799 It seems like we got plenty of kills coming out 373 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.680 way here. 374 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:51.319 In the comic sma Nucci and I can't remember exactly 375 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.759 how it happens. I don't know if it's a bomb 376 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:59.880 or something, but somehow punisher her he either chops them 377 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:02.680 off off or something happens and there's an explosion and 378 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.839 she loses both her arms and legs, so she's basically 379 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.279 a torso in the comic Spider. And then at the 380 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:13.119 end when he finally kills her, there's like a flaming 381 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:15.680 house or something, and she like crawls out of it, 382 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.200 and all she can do is bite him on the leg. 383 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:19.599 Because that's what else she gonna do. 384 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:21.680 Sure, and he just stares down at her, and he 385 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.480 just kicks her body into the fire and she burns alive. 386 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:27.519 That's how that's how Mannucci reaches her end in the 387 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:28.319 Punish Your comic. 388 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:30.759 Yeah, I hope they take it there. I don't think 389 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:32.759 they have the guts to do that, but I'm here 390 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:35.240 hoping that that's where this ultimately ends up here. 391 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:37.599 But I have to talk about the sound. Oh yeah, 392 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:39.960 hit me with it. This is interesting. I was watching 393 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:47.039 this in my basement on Disney Plus, and my my 394 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.680 son sleeps through anything, but my daughter and my wife 395 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:54.039 are both light sleepers. And I kept getting phone calls 396 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:55.480 from my wife, can you turn that down? Can you 397 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.519 turn that down? And I couldn't because there was something 398 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:02.400 messed up with the sound on on I don't know 399 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:03.759 it was my TV or what. I don't know how 400 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:06.839 to adjust it because like the loud explosion stuffs were 401 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:10.599