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<v Speaker 1>And Hi, how are you welcome to the Big Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday. Today is the eighth day of October, year

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<v Speaker 1>of Our Lord twenty twenty five. My name is Tom Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 1>And another busy day, no question about it. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>the Well we we'll update you a little bit on

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<v Speaker 1>the shutdown. Yeah, they're still shutdown, but some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that are going on behind the scenes are interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and you might want to know that the President

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<v Speaker 1>today said that he was ordering the Internal Revenue SIRERVIS

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<v Speaker 1>the group we love the IRS, to furlough thirty seven

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people. So I looked it up. That's about fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>That will lead the IRS with thirty nine thousand, but

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven thousand are being furloughed, and furloughed means they're

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<v Speaker 1>basically sent home because apparently the IRS was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those essential government agencies and they're not that essential apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>because he said basically telling half of them to go home.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're trying to do business with the IRS

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<v Speaker 1>right now in any way, shape or form, don't count

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<v Speaker 1>on a fast response. But about half of so, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what you know the innu window was, Was

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<v Speaker 1>that a bunch of them would be fired, but today

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<v Speaker 1>that did not happen. He furloughed thirty seven thousand, leaving

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<v Speaker 1>thirty nine thousand. There, we've got Katie Porter story. She's

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<v Speaker 1>running for governor of California. She was a congresswoman from

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<v Speaker 1>Orange County, California, and she's just I don't like her,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll share with you the fact that a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of Democrats are also and she's a Democrat, that she.

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<v Speaker 2>Arrogant.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll play. We'll give you an example. James Comey was

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<v Speaker 1>indicted today in federal court and in Alexandria, Virginia, across

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<v Speaker 1>the river from the Capitol. So we'll get into the

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers talking about that and the LA fire, the Palisades

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<v Speaker 1>fire that was back in January. They have made an arrest,

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<v Speaker 1>and it fascinates me that they can find through all

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<v Speaker 1>that rubble and all that ash, how they can go

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<v Speaker 1>back and figure out who was the person responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>that fire. But let's start with the shut down, because

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Schumer was talking about it today and so was

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Kennedy. But the airline part of it, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know whether you have travel if you're on traveling our

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<v Speaker 1>business or you're on vacation, but the airlines are a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Mundine, who covers aviation it was talking giving a

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<v Speaker 1>report on it earlier today.

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<v Speaker 3>Listening well, it's important to note that the Newark Approach

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<v Speaker 3>Control facility, which is actually in Philadelphia, has been plagued

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<v Speaker 3>by staffing shortages for months, although it is rare that

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<v Speaker 3>we see it make the list published by the FAA

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<v Speaker 3>during the morning shift. You know we are not out

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<v Speaker 3>of the woods yet when it comes to controllers calling

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<v Speaker 3>out sick. During this government shutdown, and just yesterday we

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<v Speaker 3>saw a huge list from the FAA of staffing shortages

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<v Speaker 3>and places where we normally don't see staffing shortages Houston, Dallas, Indianapolis, Philadelphia, Boston, Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>The problems were so bad at some major airports like

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<v Speaker 3>Chicago O'Hare and Nashville that the FAA actually had delay

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<v Speaker 3>flights going into those airports. There was a ground stop

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<v Speaker 3>in place for Nashville, about a quarter of all flights

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<v Speaker 3>delayed at Chicago O'Hare, not near as dramatic as what

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<v Speaker 3>we saw on Monday. The control tower at Hollywood Burbank

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<v Speaker 3>International Airport had to go completely dark because of short

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<v Speaker 3>staffing in the control tower.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a condition known as ATC zero.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember, controllers are working without pay during this government shutdown,

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<v Speaker 3>and I want you to listen to their union chief

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Daniels, who says this is not part of some

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<v Speaker 3>coordinated sickout effort that actually would be illegal. He says

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<v Speaker 3>that controllers are trying to simply get the job done,

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<v Speaker 3>and there is a nationwide shortage of controllers. The margins

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<v Speaker 3>are so thin that when a couple call outs sick,

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<v Speaker 3>it leads to these delays.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, well, the bills don't stop.

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<v Speaker 4>Just because we're going to get paid a bit back

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<v Speaker 4>eventually doesn't mean that it makes it easier on them.

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<v Speaker 4>So air traffic controllers are going to go to their

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<v Speaker 4>primary job, but then they'll start having to take up

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<v Speaker 4>a second job to making sure they have a steady

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<v Speaker 4>streaming income. And we know the American people don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to see that, and that's why the shutdown has to

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<v Speaker 4>end to day before it becomes to measures.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like that, Daniel's paints it is pretty dire, and

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<v Speaker 3>Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy says this is not political, although

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<v Speaker 3>he does underscore in a statement and at a press

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<v Speaker 3>conference on Monday that he says, Chuck Schumer can end

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<v Speaker 3>this shutdown. The big thing here is the controllers are

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<v Speaker 3>getting one more paycheck, a partial paycheck, next tuesday for

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<v Speaker 3>work they have already done before the government shutdown. We

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<v Speaker 3>will see if things get deeper as time goes on.

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<v Speaker 3>Only eight days in and it was thirty five days

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<v Speaker 3>another government shutdown that some controllers calling out sick and

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<v Speaker 3>some major areas led to the end of that shutdown

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. The it's spreading. There's a number

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<v Speaker 1>of controllers that are calling in sick, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>next week they're getting I think it's Tuesday. They get

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<v Speaker 1>their check for the first couple of days of the

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<v Speaker 1>month of October, and then after that they just got

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<v Speaker 1>to wait with everybody else. The union guy said that, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to get paid later. But here's President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>talking about whether or not the people that are laid

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<v Speaker 1>off are going to get their pay.

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<v Speaker 2>It really depends on who you're talking about. But for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, we're going to take care of our people.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some people that really don't deserve to be

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<v Speaker 2>taken care of, and we'll take care of them.

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<v Speaker 1>In a different way, So not everybody's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>treated the same. It's what he's saying, and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who he's exactly talking about. Chuck Schumer, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>thinks that it's all the Republicans' fault. But a reporter

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<v Speaker 1>asked him, Hey, are you being stubborn because of the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you're worried about losing your Senate seat from

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<v Speaker 1>New York?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you worried about the pressure that you're getting from

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<v Speaker 2>your left flank? And is that part of the reason

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<v Speaker 2>that you even get know.

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<v Speaker 5>The bottom line is very simple. We're fighting for the

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<v Speaker 5>American people, and it's not just one small group of

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<v Speaker 5>American people that want this. Hits across the board. Fifty

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<v Speaker 5>five percent of Trump voters, hardly a flank in our

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<v Speaker 5>party want this.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we're doing it. We believe that's our job.

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<v Speaker 1>Just remember, I've given this tip before if you are

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<v Speaker 1>ever running for political office, just remember to say many

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<v Speaker 1>times over that you're doing it for the American people.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was interesting that one of the reporters

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<v Speaker 1>in a gaggle there actually brought at upicenter basically, are

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<v Speaker 1>you worried about AOC? Are you worried about the far

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<v Speaker 1>left side of the party because they turned on you

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<v Speaker 1>last time you cooperated on a debt limit or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and so he's afraid that they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>push him out of his cushy office as a senator

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<v Speaker 1>with AOC running against him. Senator John Kennedy always has

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<v Speaker 1>interesting observations about all of this. Well, I listened to

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<v Speaker 1>the clip of Senator Schumer. His his relationship with the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is very casual. The truth is that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a political shutdown. Senator Schumer is uh, he's nervous as

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<v Speaker 1>a pregnant nun about losing his reelection to to the

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<v Speaker 1>to the socialist wing of his party, led by Congresswoman

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<v Speaker 1>ocasial Court is which is in control.

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<v Speaker 6>Now. We will eventually come out of this this shutdown.

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<v Speaker 6>Here's how I think it will happen, Uh, Chuck. Senator

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<v Speaker 6>Schumer is a is a smart man. He's been around

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<v Speaker 6>a long time. His his uh, his first car was

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<v Speaker 6>a chariot. Washington is all he's ever known his entire life.

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<v Speaker 6>He knows he's on shaky ground here in terms of policy.

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<v Speaker 6>So here's how I think it'll end. Schimber will go

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<v Speaker 6>to six or eight of his colleagues and say Democrats,

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<v Speaker 6>of course, and say I want you to vote to

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<v Speaker 6>lift the shutdown. Now he'll say, I can't vote with you.

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<v Speaker 6>I've got to appear to be tough. I may even

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<v Speaker 6>have to criticize you. But wink, wink, nod, nod. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>trying to make the loon wing of the party and

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<v Speaker 6>love me, but you bail me out here. But he's

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<v Speaker 6>got to be careful with that because he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 6>it to look like a mutiny, because then he looks

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<v Speaker 6>even weaker.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Senator Kennedy's making the rounds because he's got a

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<v Speaker 1>new book out about how to test positive for stupid

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<v Speaker 1>or something lonely and how Washington never will. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks that it's just yet everybody in the other things.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all about Chuck Schumer trying to protect his

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<v Speaker 1>hide and not to lose his gushy job as the

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<v Speaker 1>senior senator from the state of New York. However, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a Republican who is not with the crowd of Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>She's going against them. Marjorie Taylor Green. This is her

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<v Speaker 1>position on all of this.

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<v Speaker 7>How are we supposed to say it's a Democrat's fault

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<v Speaker 7>when we're in charge of the White House, the House,

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<v Speaker 7>and the Senate. People don't buy that. I know people

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<v Speaker 7>back at home absolutely are calling basically bs on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'll send her that book that Kennedy wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>how not to test positive for stupid. So, yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans have the House, to Senate and the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is is that in the Senate you need

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<v Speaker 1>sixty vote in order to put the government back in business.

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<v Speaker 1>The Republicans have fifty three. They got three Democrats to

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<v Speaker 1>vote with them a couple of days ago, brings us

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty six. Come on, Marjorie, you know, darn well

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<v Speaker 1>the math isn't there. You don't have sixty votes in

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate. But that was her show. She's bucking the

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<v Speaker 1>party a little bit. She's been doing that lately. This

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<v Speaker 1>lady that I want to talk about next is Katie Porter.

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<v Speaker 1>And Katie Porter, I don't know why she irritates me

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<v Speaker 1>so much, but she just does. She is from southern California,

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<v Speaker 1>Orange County, just south of LA and it used to

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<v Speaker 1>be a big Republican area, but it's not so much anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>In any case, she was elected to Congress from Orange County.

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<v Speaker 1>She I did one or two terms and then she

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<v Speaker 1>decided to run for Senate from California and she lost

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<v Speaker 1>big time. It's not even close. But now she's running

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<v Speaker 1>for governor of California and the polls show it's pretty tight.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's right up there along with one or two

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<v Speaker 1>others that are in the catbird seat. So she's looking

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good for the governor's race. So she did an interview.

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<v Speaker 1>She's going around the state of California doing interviews with

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<v Speaker 1>the California media and a lady from CBS thirteen in

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<v Speaker 1>Sacramento was interviewing her, and Katie Porter was upset because

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that this woman was asking her questions

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<v Speaker 1>that she did not want to answer. Here's a clip

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<v Speaker 1>of that interview.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I'm saying to you is that, well, to

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<v Speaker 2>those voters, okay, so you I don't want to keep

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<v Speaker 2>doing this, I'm gonna call it. Oh thank you. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna do the interview with them?

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<v Speaker 8>No, not like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not not with seven follow ups to every single

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<v Speaker 2>question you ask every other candidate has. I don't care less.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>She was mad because the reporter was asking follow up

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<v Speaker 1>questions to what she said. I guess she's used to

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<v Speaker 1>reporters having a scripted list of questions and to hand

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<v Speaker 1>good job of Katie Porter said something. She did a

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<v Speaker 1>it and said, I'm not going to do it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. Well, listen to Si Cup and Ssie. I've

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<v Speaker 1>She tries to pretend she's on the right. She's not.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a moderate lefty. But she was even taken back

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<v Speaker 2>That we didn't hear was really important.

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<v Speaker 9>The question being what are you going to do to

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<v Speaker 9>win voters who did not vote for Democrats, who voted

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<v Speaker 9>for Donald Trump of California's electorate. And she said I

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<v Speaker 9>don't need them, which is saying the quiet part out loud.

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<v Speaker 9>Maybe you don't need them, but the message should, of

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<v Speaker 9>course not be one of entitlement and indignance. But I'm

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<v Speaker 9>going to reach out to every voter in my state.

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<v Speaker 9>I want to reach out to everyone because I'm running

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<v Speaker 9>to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Governor for every Californian.

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<v Speaker 9>She said, I don't need them, and then got very

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<v Speaker 9>annoyed that this great reporter was pushing back on what

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<v Speaker 9>do you mean you don't need them? You're going to

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<v Speaker 9>get every Democratic voter. Forty percent does not a small

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<v Speaker 9>number of voters. That's a giant voting block, and you

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<v Speaker 9>would need all the Democrats to come out and support you,

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<v Speaker 9>and I don't know that she has that support.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was a terrible, terrible interview.

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<v Speaker 9>And it kind of goes to the entitlement that people

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<v Speaker 9>see Democrats having. They saw democrats having it in twenty

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<v Speaker 9>twenty four. I think a lot of people rejected that.

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<v Speaker 9>And this is why you're seeing so many young upstarts

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<v Speaker 9>like Zoran mom Donnie, like o Graham Plattner in Maine,

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<v Speaker 9>like Omerfetta in Minneapolis running against longtime Democratic incumbents who

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<v Speaker 9>are saying I'm not going anywhere. I don't care that

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<v Speaker 9>I'm eighty, this is my job. You'd come take it

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<v Speaker 9>from me messaging.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, one hundred percent. And I will also go even

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<v Speaker 10>further to say the Democrats have a massive, massive, massive

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<v Speaker 10>crisis in terms of messaging. I've said that for years,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, emulating Donald Trump, which is what she just did,

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<v Speaker 10>effectively saying, you know what, I'm going to only speak

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<v Speaker 10>to the base. I'm not going to speak to anybody else.

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<v Speaker 10>That may work for Donald Trump with a maggot base,

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<v Speaker 10>it does not work in the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 2>As he's absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 10>Democrats are looking for is authenticity, and they're looking for

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<v Speaker 10>people who are building community, and that community has to

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<v Speaker 10>transcend just our base and include everybody who's fed up

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<v Speaker 1>So if you missed it, what the question was was basically,

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<v Speaker 1>forty percent of Democrats in the state of California voted

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<v Speaker 1>for Donald Trump, and what do you say to them?

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<v Speaker 1>And she got mad about it and refused to continue

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<v Speaker 1>the interview, and that she was mad that the reporter

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<v Speaker 1>was asking follow up questions. That's what a good reporter does.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have a script that said I know that

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<v Speaker 1>did for Joe Biden, but no, that's not the way

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<v Speaker 1>it works. So this lady has been coddled by friendly journalists,

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<v Speaker 1>not that I can't call them journalists, friendly people in

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<v Speaker 1>the media who have not pushed her on anything like

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<v Speaker 1>this lady did at the CBS station Mary Catherine Ham,

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<v Speaker 1>who is on the right side of the aisle. She

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<v Speaker 1>observed all of this as well.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 11>It is the bare minimum in politics that you should

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<v Speaker 11>be able to analyze your own race, and that you

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<v Speaker 11>should be able to speak to the forty percent of

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<v Speaker 11>voters who might not otherwise agree with you. Presumably she

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<v Speaker 11>would like to be the governor for all Californians, which

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<v Speaker 11>includes those forty percent. She can't even countenance a follow

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<v Speaker 11>up question on that. And I think the most telling

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<v Speaker 11>sentence and here is she says, I've never had to

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<v Speaker 11>do this. Ever, What kind of bubble do you live

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<v Speaker 11>in if you have not received a follow up question?

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<v Speaker 11>How have you been isolating yourself from every single person

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<v Speaker 11>who might ask you something tough when it is literally

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<v Speaker 11>your job to answer to reporters and to constituents. I

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<v Speaker 11>would encourage everyone to ask her more and more questions

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<v Speaker 11>because she needs so much practice at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go back to the left side of the aisle.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick Murphy, he's a former congressman representing the eighth district

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<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania. This is a Democrat. Listen to his reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to Katie Porter.

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<v Speaker 12>I would say, there's millions of Repubets in California that

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<v Speaker 12>if you're blessed enough to be the next governor, you

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<v Speaker 12>got to lead all of the people of California, not

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<v Speaker 12>just the Democratic Party that might help you get elected.

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<v Speaker 12>And I think that is the problem with not just

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<v Speaker 12>this candidate, but people in Washingt d C. They are

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<v Speaker 12>so fixated on supporting their political party that they're putting

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<v Speaker 12>their party over our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to the right side, Cassie Smedley, she's a spokeswoman

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<v Speaker 1>for people on the right.

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<v Speaker 13>More broadly, it shows her true colors that she's a

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<v Speaker 13>weak candidate, and also that she's not fit to represent

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<v Speaker 13>the entire state of California, which includes Republicans and Democrats.

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<v Speaker 13>But also I would note Abigail Spamberger having the same

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<v Speaker 13>issues on the campaign trail, with local reporters asking her

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<v Speaker 13>about boys and girls bathrooms and in girls sports, and

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<v Speaker 13>she had a horrible answer for it. Democrats are not

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<v Speaker 13>used to being asked just perfectly fair, reasonable questions because

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<v Speaker 13>they're used to being coddled by the press. We need

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<v Speaker 13>to be holding their feet to the fire. I know

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<v Speaker 13>your show does it beautifully, but I will give a

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<v Speaker 13>hats off to these local reporters who are also finally

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<v Speaker 13>asking these Democrats some real questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, the question that she was asked was, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you say to the forty percent of Democrats that

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<v Speaker 1>voted for Donald Trump? That seems like a legitimate question

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<v Speaker 1>to ask, but apparently for Katie Porter. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why she irritates me so much, but this might be

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<v Speaker 1>just the latest example of it. What she would do

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<v Speaker 1>when she was in Congress, and again, the people in

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<v Speaker 1>her congressional district did not vote. Well, she's dropped out

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<v Speaker 1>of that rais and ran for a senator from California,

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<v Speaker 1>so she had a first statewide race and they did

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<v Speaker 1>not vote for her at all. So we'll see if

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<v Speaker 1>this has any impact. But what she would do, she

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<v Speaker 1>was on various committees, and she was pretty clever about

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<v Speaker 1>getting a bunch of gotcha questions lined up, and she

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<v Speaker 1>would act so smug over whoever it was that she

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<v Speaker 1>was asking questions because she had a gotcha questions that

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<v Speaker 1>nobody would know the answer to, and she just thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was so special. So, I mean, I'll go back

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the comments about the Oh, it was

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<v Speaker 1>Essie Cupp talking about the fact that Katie Porter acts

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<v Speaker 1>entitled like she deserves. She's the governor that she's indignant

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody would dare ask her to follow up question.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll keep an eye on Katie Porter and see

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<v Speaker 1>how she does, hopefully not well. James Comy, former FBI director,

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<v Speaker 1>indicted today federal court in Alexandria, Virginia. Elliott Williams, who

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, even if the motions aren't filed, and we may

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<v Speaker 14>get a sense as to what motions Comy is thinking

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<v Speaker 14>about filing, the first one would be one to dismiss

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<v Speaker 14>the indictment for in effect singling Jim Comy out. And

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<v Speaker 14>the biggest evidence they will point to are probably the

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<v Speaker 14>president's own statements himself. The President has made any number

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<v Speaker 14>of statements on social media calling Jim Comey a crooked cop.

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<v Speaker 14>There's the social media post we talked about on air

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<v Speaker 14>several times, directing or at least mentioning Pam Vondi, the

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<v Speaker 14>Attorney General by name, saying that we have to act

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<v Speaker 14>now to bring prosecutions like those against Jim Comey to happen.

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<v Speaker 14>Those are the kinds of things a defendant could easily

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<v Speaker 14>point to as saying that he was singled out for

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<v Speaker 14>prosecution in a way that was vindictive or malicious or

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<v Speaker 14>out side the bounds of the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Expect that right away.

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<v Speaker 14>Now, Jim Coman can also just look at the substance

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<v Speaker 14>of his indictment as well and say, look, this is

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<v Speaker 14>just so thin, your honor, this ought to be thrown out.

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<v Speaker 14>So he has a number of ways, and I think

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<v Speaker 14>we can expect to will see them.

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<v Speaker 1>This case is being filed in and will be heard

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<v Speaker 1>in the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria, right across the

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<v Speaker 1>river from the Capitol, and the prosecutor in this was

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<v Speaker 1>the acting US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>said you got a lot of pressure from the White

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<v Speaker 1>House to prosecute James Comy, and he said, basically, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think we have a case. So he was being

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<v Speaker 1>pressured to base he was going to be fired, so

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<v Speaker 1>he resigned and Trump then said, well, I fired him.

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<v Speaker 1>And he hired a lady who is one of his

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers from some of his business dealings. Her specialty is

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<v Speaker 1>insurance law, dealing with insurance companies. She's never prosecuted anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is brand new to her. Tom Dupree, former

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<v Speaker 15>One of the things that judges often do in these

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<v Speaker 15>I think this judge is fairly typical for the Eastern

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<v Speaker 15>for its rocket docket for moving cases along very quickly,

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<v Speaker 15>very efficiently. This is not a particularly complex case, at

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<v Speaker 15>least as far as criminal cases go, So wudn't surprise

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<v Speaker 15>me at all to see the judge basically saying, look.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are, we're beginning today. Here's what the schedule

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<v Speaker 5>Let's get it.

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<v Speaker 1>On one more. Lawyer Andy McCarthy, who is a Fox

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<v Speaker 8>I don't believe they have a case based on what

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<v Speaker 8>we've seen in the indictment and what we know from

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<v Speaker 8>the public reporting. Now we're going to find out. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>the arraignment was apparently unexceptional and unremarkable. That's usually the

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<v Speaker 8>case the only thing that really happens is a plea

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<v Speaker 8>get centered. But now the real work begins. The judge

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<v Speaker 8>will set a schedule for the filing of motions. I

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<v Speaker 8>expect that Comby's team is going to make motions, particularly

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<v Speaker 8>about selective prosecution and that sort of thing, and the

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<v Speaker 8>judge will have to rule on that. And if the

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<v Speaker 8>we'll have a trial.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened was the judge of the rocket docket

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<v Speaker 1>reputation was held because the judge said, let's do this

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<v Speaker 1>and do it quickly. So he as there's a hearing

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<v Speaker 1>coming up in November, another one in December. They'll be short,

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<v Speaker 1>short and sweet, and at that point is expected that

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<v Speaker 1>Comby's lawyers will ask for dismissal. But he already set

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<v Speaker 1>the date for trial. If there is a trial, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be January fifth, And that is unheard of in

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<v Speaker 1>these things to come to trial. But Kobe wanted this

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<v Speaker 1>will be January fifth. For that mark mark your calendars

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<v Speaker 1>say they were ruined, but I've always thought about fire

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<v Speaker 1>being one of the worst disasters that you can experience

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<v Speaker 1>because all of your possessions. It's not like some bad

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<v Speaker 1>guy broke into your home and stole your laptop, computer.

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<v Speaker 1>This is everything that you own is ash, including family heirlooms, photographs,

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<v Speaker 1>things that are that you can't replace. All of that

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<v Speaker 1>is gone, plus a lot of businesses in the Palisades

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<v Speaker 1>area that we're all so burned to the ground. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they have made an arrest, and I'm just fascinated by

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<v Speaker 1>these fire investigators how they can sip through ash and

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<v Speaker 1>find evidence so that they can locate the arsonist. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what they did. Bill is Salee, who is

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<v Speaker 1>the US Attorney board that part of southern California, announce

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<v Speaker 1>the arrest today.

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<v Speaker 16>I'm Bill Saley, the acting United States Attorney for the

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<v Speaker 16>Central District of California. Today we are announcing the arrest

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<v Speaker 16>of twenty nine year old Jonathan Rindernecked for igniting a

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<v Speaker 16>fire that ultimately burned down the Palisades earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 16>killing twelve people, destroying more than sixty eight hundred structures,

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<v Speaker 16>both homes and businesses, and damaging over one thousand more buildings.

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<v Speaker 16>The complaint, unsealed today, charges the defendant with destruction of

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<v Speaker 16>property by means of fire, a felony that carries a

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<v Speaker 16>mandatory minimum five year federal prison sentence and is punishable

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<v Speaker 16>by up to twenty years in federal prison. The defendant

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<v Speaker 16>was arrested yesterday on a federal criminal complaint near his

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<v Speaker 16>Florida residence, and he's expected to make his initial appearance

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<v Speaker 16>today in the federal court in Orlando, Florida. I stress

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<v Speaker 16>that the complaint contains allegations, and every defendant is presumed

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<v Speaker 16>innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The

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<v Speaker 16>allegations in the affidavit are supported by digital evidence, including

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<v Speaker 16>the defendant's chatchpt prompt of a dystopian painting showing in

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<v Speaker 16>part a burning forest and a crowd fleeing from it.

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<v Speaker 16>The allegations that's from his chat GPT. That's an image

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<v Speaker 16>he produced a few months before the fire started. It

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<v Speaker 16>shows the city being burned there. The allegations are further

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<v Speaker 16>supported by the defendant and cell phone, his false statements

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<v Speaker 16>to law enforcement, and his behavior during the Lachman fire,

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<v Speaker 16>which defendant is charged with maliciously starting shortly after midnight

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<v Speaker 16>on New Year's Day of this year, and which eventually

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<v Speaker 16>became the Palisades Fire. Late last New Year's Eve, Rinderneck

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<v Speaker 16>returned to Pacific Palisades after working the evening shift as

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<v Speaker 16>an Uber driver. Two of his passengers told law enforcement

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<v Speaker 16>that he appeared agitated and angry that night. After dropping

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<v Speaker 16>off a passenger in Pacific Palisades, Rinderneck parked his car

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<v Speaker 16>and tried and failed to contact a former friend. He

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<v Speaker 16>exited the car, walked up a nearby trail, took iPhone

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<v Speaker 16>videos at a nearby hilltop, and listened to a rap

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<v Speaker 16>song whose music video including objects being lit on fire.

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<v Speaker 16>The defendant had listened to this song and watched its

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<v Speaker 16>music video repeatedly and the days leading up to the

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<v Speaker 16>Lockman fire. Twelve minutes into the New year, environmental sensing

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<v Speaker 16>platforms indicated that a fire had started. It took the

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<v Speaker 16>defendant several tries to contact nine to one one to

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<v Speaker 16>report the fire. He fled the scene in his car,

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<v Speaker 16>but turned around after passing fire engines driving in the

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<v Speaker 16>opposite direction to fight there to fight the fire. While

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<v Speaker 16>the Lockman fire burned, the defendant walked up the same

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<v Speaker 16>trail from earlier that night to watch the fire and firefighters,

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<v Speaker 16>using his iPhone to take short videos of the scene.

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<v Speaker 16>Although firefighters suppressed the blaze, the fire continued to smolder

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<v Speaker 16>and burn underground within the root structure of the dense vegetation.

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<v Speaker 16>So that fire started on January first, and it smoldered

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<v Speaker 16>underground for about a week until on January seventh, heavy

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<v Speaker 16>winds caused this underground fire to surface and spread above ground,

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<v Speaker 16>causing what became known as the Palisades Fire, one of

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<v Speaker 16>the most destructive wildfires in Los Angeles city history. Law

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<v Speaker 16>enforcement got to work and by January twenty fourth had

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<v Speaker 16>identified and interviewed the defendant. During his interview, he lied

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<v Speaker 16>about where he was when he first saw the Lockman fire,

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<v Speaker 16>claiming he was near the bottom of a hiking trail.

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<v Speaker 16>Geolocation data for the nine to one calls showed that he

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<v Speaker 16>was standing above the fire in a clearing, merely thirty

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<v Speaker 16>feet from the blaze as it rapidly grew. As the

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<v Speaker 16>world watched in horror, as the Palisades fire. Burned victims

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<v Speaker 16>perished in the smoke and flames, homes where cherished family

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<v Speaker 16>memories and belongings were turned to rubble and ash. The

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<v Speaker 16>iconic Pacific Coast Highway along Malibu looked like a war zone.

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<v Speaker 16>Thousands of people were forced to evacuate. The homes and

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<v Speaker 16>businesses cannot be rebuilt. This arrest, we hope, will provide

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<v Speaker 16>a measure of justice to all those who were impacted.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a little bit of digital investigative work. And

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<v Speaker 1>just again I'm amazed by fire investigators on how they

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<v Speaker 1>can find out where fires start, how they start, and

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<v Speaker 1>to find the person that if there was an arsonist

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<v Speaker 1>that set the fire. So telephones, cell towers, geo locating,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, even the guy who killed those

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<v Speaker 1>four kids in Moscow, Idaho. You know, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>master's in criminology and he knew to turn his phone

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<v Speaker 1>off while he committed the murders. But it was also

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stupid because he turned it off before he

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<v Speaker 1>murdered them turned it back on. They used phones, they

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<v Speaker 1>use your phone. They've got cameras everywhere, and environmentals censors

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<v Speaker 1>determined that there was a blaze up there in the

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<v Speaker 1>hills above the Palisades. So hats off to the Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles investigators who were able to make this arrest. On

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street today, no, not a lot to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dow was down one point off of its record

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<v Speaker 1>to forty six thousand and six to oh one, SMP

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<v Speaker 1>up thirty nine. The Nasdaq Love those Tex stocks up

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty five. The price of gold continues

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<v Speaker 1>to be on a tear, up fifty six dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>day to four thousand and sixty at the record. Oil

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<v Speaker 1>up half a buck sixty two dollars and some change

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<v Speaker 1>for a barrel of boil. Thank you for coming by today.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll try this again tomorrow. I hope to see you there.
