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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we are love.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>This is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on

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<v Speaker 1>today's show. I have a very special guest or attorney guest.

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<v Speaker 1>We just talked in April twenty twenty five about his

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<v Speaker 1>excellent book. People check it out. The full title of

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<v Speaker 1>the book is The Wise of Heart, A modern day

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<v Speaker 1>reimagining of the Scopes Monkey Trial. Has really good reviews

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<v Speaker 1>on Amazon right now four point nine twenty five star

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<v Speaker 1>reviews and well deserved. Timely check it out. I will

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<v Speaker 1>put a link to the show we did, but we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking offline after we finished the last show. And

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<v Speaker 1>he has other interests. Thinks I'm not. I can't say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a science person or physics, but I've done some

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<v Speaker 1>interest People have talked about Einstein, some questionable ideas about

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<v Speaker 1>how valid he is. But anyway, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this. And his name is Hans G. Shan's last

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<v Speaker 1>name was spelled Atcha and Tz And if you're watching

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<v Speaker 1>this on Rock Finn, Rumble or Act, you'll see that

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<v Speaker 1>he works for and with the Society for Post Quantum

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<v Speaker 1>Research in His website is the SPQR dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>also ATHERSR dot substack dot com. So I put those

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<v Speaker 1>links in the show notes. But he has a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of slides, and like I said, I'm not really I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is optimal in a way because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that much about kind of modern physics. But he

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<v Speaker 1>can talk more about that. So Hans Schanz, welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you so much for having me on again.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent. So for people who didn't hear our earlier show,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you can talk about your recent work. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're posting a lot on substack, and maybe just talk

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<v Speaker 1>about your background and interest in this particular subject relativity,

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<v Speaker 1>Einstein and modern physics.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I started off in school studying industrial engineering because

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<v Speaker 2>I had read Atlas Shrugged and really liked the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of being a creator and an entrepreneur. And I got

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<v Speaker 2>most of the way through my industrial engineering training and

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<v Speaker 2>great training, good general engineering background and how to run

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<v Speaker 2>a business, production control, project management, things like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>as I got near the end of that, I realized

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<v Speaker 2>no one was going to hand me a copper mine

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<v Speaker 2>or a steel mill or a trans continental railroad, and

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<v Speaker 2>if I wanted to run a business, I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to invent something or come up with some

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<v Speaker 2>concept that I could wrap a business around. That got

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<v Speaker 2>me into physics. I finished a second undergrad bachelor's degree

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<v Speaker 2>in physics and liked it so much I went all

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<v Speaker 2>the way through grad school getting a PhD in theoretical electromagnetism. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then I had the unwelcome discovery that what physicists regard

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<v Speaker 2>as electromagnetism is a bit different than the practical, everyday

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<v Speaker 2>electromagnetism that electrical engineers put to practical use. So I

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<v Speaker 2>had to do a bit more of training and get

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<v Speaker 2>myself up to speed before I land ended a job

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<v Speaker 2>doing ultra wide band antenna design. It was a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned a lot. I was able to synthesize a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of my theoretical physics ideas with some practical applications,

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<v Speaker 2>and learn not just about how antennas work, but how

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<v Speaker 2>electromagnetism works, and develop some ideas for how that all

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<v Speaker 2>plays out. I left the ultra wideband business to do

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<v Speaker 2>a startup at last. With some friends, I co founded

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<v Speaker 2>q Track Corporation. I invented a way to do indoor

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<v Speaker 2>location using low frequency near field signals. The conventional way

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<v Speaker 2>uses high frequency signals. They tend to bounce around. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes it really hard to tell where whatever it is

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<v Speaker 2>you're tracking is. We used signals down in the AM

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast band, very long wavelength, very low frequency, and built

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<v Speaker 2>a product that was able to track people to an

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<v Speaker 2>accuracy of about fifty centimeters a couple feet or so.

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<v Speaker 2>It was used in about a third of US nuclear plants,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of industrial customers. It gave me an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to master another realm of electromagnetism, the whole area of

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<v Speaker 2>near field electromagnetism and how these short range, long wavelength,

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<v Speaker 2>low frequency links work. Well. That was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>hand in hand and mouth existence. Never terribly successful. We

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately had to sell out, and I've been working in

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<v Speaker 2>the defense industry since then. But it gave me an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to write a book about ultra wide band antennas,

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<v Speaker 2>The Art and Science of Ultra wide Band Antennas. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're interested in time tomain electromagnetism, you might want to

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<v Speaker 2>look that title up. And it helped me appreciate that

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<v Speaker 2>physicists really don't understand very well how electromagnetism really works.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can go into the details later but that

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<v Speaker 2>led me on a quest to try to understand where

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<v Speaker 2>physics went wrong, how we got the premises that we

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<v Speaker 2>have on how things work, why things like pilot wave

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<v Speaker 2>quantum mechanics have been largely ignored in favor of less

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable interpretations not only of relativity but of quantum mechanics.

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<v Speaker 2>And that led me to a historical study to try

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<v Speaker 2>to track that down. And the central figure involved in

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<v Speaker 2>that process is Einstein. And I think I've come up

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<v Speaker 2>with exactly what went wrong and how Einstein led physics

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong way and tried to save it at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>but his dream has not yet been realized. So that

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<v Speaker 2>is what I will be discussing the presentation today.

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<v Speaker 1>Great and I've heard that from other people that the

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<v Speaker 1>theory of relativity isn't there's holes in it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard this before. Would you agree with that? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of your position that there's things that Einstein

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<v Speaker 1>left out or didn't address in physics.

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<v Speaker 2>The fundamental issue, and I'll be getting into it in

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<v Speaker 2>the presentation is it's really a backwards way of looking

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<v Speaker 2>at things. What he did was take a look at

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<v Speaker 2>the emerging discoveries and electromagnetism trying to understand things like

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<v Speaker 2>the Michaelson Morley experiment that seemed to indicate there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>any ether drift, and he decided to do a top

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<v Speaker 2>down approach of deducing the physics the Lorentz transforms, which

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<v Speaker 2>had already been discovered, deducing them from two simple principles.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a remarkably creative and clever thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But in inverting the hierarchy and making it a top

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<v Speaker 2>down theory like that, he believed that no mechanism was

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<v Speaker 2>necessary and that it was a complete waste of time

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that, that we should focus only on

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<v Speaker 2>the observables. And that's been an idea that has plagued

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<v Speaker 2>physics ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, And that's the whole kind of concept of the ether, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is that there's there's some kind of other unseen force

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<v Speaker 1>affecting physics. Is that? Is that too simplistic?

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<v Speaker 2>The idea of the ether came up as the wave

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<v Speaker 2>theory of light was developed initially by principally by Frenelle

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<v Speaker 2>in France, and then as James Clerk Maxwell discovered the

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<v Speaker 2>laws of electromagnetism, he was able to merge optics and

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<v Speaker 2>electromagnetism and demonstrate that light was an electromagnetic phenomenon. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a wave, the natural question to ask

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<v Speaker 2>is in what medium is it waving? And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the answer to that was this mysterious medium called the

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<v Speaker 2>ether that somehow was able to support all of these

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<v Speaker 2>waves that you know, insanely high frequencies and insanely fast velocities,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet was so immaterial that you planets would go

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<v Speaker 2>through it without being slowed down in the least, and

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<v Speaker 2>that it was very hard to detect. And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>paradox that people were wrestling with when Einstein came around

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<v Speaker 2>and said, you know, let's not worry about how electromagnetism works.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just deduce how electromagnetism works for moving bodies from

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<v Speaker 2>these two simple principles.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha. So those are kind of the themes that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of logical themes that are going to be in this presentation.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the difference between induction and deduction. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the fundamental themes of my book, and

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<v Speaker 2>it really goes all the way back to Plato and

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<v Speaker 2>Aristotle and their approaches. I'll talk about that more when

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<v Speaker 2>we get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, just I'm trying to like define terms before you

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<v Speaker 1>get into your presentation. Sometimes that makes it clear what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. Like, I'm not that familiar with this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff either, so but yeah, So this is the way

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<v Speaker 1>that Einstein looked at the theory of relativity, right, as

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<v Speaker 1>these different He just made these assumptions from the top

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<v Speaker 1>down about he induced it, right, not deduced it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he de do saste into the fundamental principles, gotcha? So?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean deduction is the idea where you start with

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<v Speaker 2>some fundamental truths, some axioms, some basic principles and work

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<v Speaker 2>out logically what their consequences are. Induction is when you

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<v Speaker 2>take a look at a bunch of specific instances or

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<v Speaker 2>examples and try to infer from them what general law

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<v Speaker 2>or principle connects or govern stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha. Okay, okay, So induction, deduction and Einstein and Einstein's

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<v Speaker 1>ideas did not come about in a vacuum, right like

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<v Speaker 1>there were other people doing similar physics around that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very interesting question. Maybe I should get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do the slot. Yeah, if would like to

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<v Speaker 1>start with the slides, that's fine too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let me go ahead, We're covering a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>topics that I'm going to be kidding. Okay, sorry, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have any questions or if anything's unclear, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>probably you know, those may be questions the audience is

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<v Speaker 2>having to so please feel free to stop me.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we already have one question, so we can

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<v Speaker 1>we can address that whenever you're ready.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's get into why we go ahead and take

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<v Speaker 2>you to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure as Johnny, he writes, can the speaker opine on

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<v Speaker 1>whether Alexanderson alternator transmitters antennae maybe and under exam phenomena

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, those are all some very interesting questions. The Alexanderson

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<v Speaker 2>alternator was one of the first high frequency radio transmitters.

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<v Speaker 2>It was basically a mechanical oscillator that would whip around

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<v Speaker 2>fast enough to generate radio waves. Now relatively low frequency

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<v Speaker 2>radio waves of tends to maybe one hundred killer hurtz

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<v Speaker 2>or a little more than that, And because the wavelengths

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<v Speaker 2>were so long, the a lot of the RF involved,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in and near the antenna, would involve near field

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<v Speaker 2>phenomenon that are not at least at the time, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not very well understood. Now I know there is. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to remember the gentleman's name. I think maybe Eric Dollard,

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<v Speaker 2>who has done some investigation, has some interesting results and

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<v Speaker 2>claims there that I haven't really dug into. I do

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<v Speaker 2>think the process of radiation is an under examined phenomenon,

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<v Speaker 2>and I should probably come back maybe in a few

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<v Speaker 2>months when I have a presentation ready to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>my understanding of electromagnetism and how it works, or we

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<v Speaker 2>can get into this a little more deeply. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>these are definitely under examined phenomenon. We'll see a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about Einstein and the spooky action in a distance

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<v Speaker 2>in the talk, and longitudinal in scaler waves an interesting topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking on trying to do a paper on that

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<v Speaker 2>in the next few months. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it is overhyped. There are longitudinal waves in electromagnetism, but

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<v Speaker 2>those waves will aren't really important by the time you

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<v Speaker 2>get more than a wavelength or two from a small transmitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's this scalar wave theory that supposes there are

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<v Speaker 2>undiscovered terms are ignored terms, and the laws of electromagnetism

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<v Speaker 2>that allow your supposed scalar waves to generate from zero

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<v Speaker 2>point energy create effects at a distance. But I have

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<v Speaker 2>yet to see a coherent account of how they're made

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<v Speaker 2>and how they're detected and what their link law is.

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<v Speaker 2>That has convinced me there's much behind that notion. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be looking into that, hopefully soon. It's on my

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<v Speaker 2>to do list to look into that further. Excellent, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>What I'll do is I'll begin with kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>about relativity and about Einstein. Then I'll talk about some

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<v Speaker 2>of relativity. It's fascinating looking at how the publicity behind

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish physics. And finally, i'll talk about some of the

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<v Speaker 2>In eighteen eighty seven, to researchers Michaelson Morley set up

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<v Speaker 2>a moving electrified sphere would contract along its axis of motion,

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<v Speaker 2>that is the context in which an obscure no one

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<v Speaker 2>had ever heard of impatent clerk in Burned, Switzerland named

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<v Speaker 2>Albert Einstein wrote a paper in nineteen oh five suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>that we could explain all of these phenomenon the Lorentz

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<v Speaker 2>transformations from just two principles, first that the laws of

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<v Speaker 2>and second that the speed of light is the same

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<v Speaker 2>various light sources. And from those principles he showed that

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<v Speaker 2>you could derive the Lorentz transforms and the relativistic mechanics

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<v Speaker 2>that Puan Care had begun exploring. Well, this gets us

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<v Speaker 2>to the discussion we were having before we got started

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<v Speaker 2>on induction versus deduction, and I like to think of

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<v Speaker 2>it in terms of a Platonic versus an Aristotelian approach

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<v Speaker 2>to science. And that's a little controversial because people will

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<v Speaker 2>use Plato and Ara Stytle as archetypes with different shades

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<v Speaker 2>schoolmen with their logical syllogisms, and that's not the sense

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<v Speaker 2>in which I'm talking about something that's Aristotelian. By Aristotelian,

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<v Speaker 2>can then say, validate in an experiment. A good way

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<v Speaker 2>to look at that is to see how Aristotle and

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<v Speaker 2>Plato used their approaches in practice. Like if you take

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<v Speaker 2>deduced how the philosoph of her king should rule the society. Aristotle,

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<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, gathered the constitutions of over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred different governments and broke down and start analyzing what

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<v Speaker 2>worked and what didn't. And that's a good example of

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<v Speaker 2>Plato's deductive approach versus Aristotle's inductive approach. But it really

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<v Speaker 2>is a cycle, and you need a balance of induction,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at new phenomenon, coming up with new principles, and

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<v Speaker 2>to complement that that taking those principles, working out consequences

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<v Speaker 2>of them, and then testing them. And I would argue

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<v Speaker 2>that today physics has gone way on the Platonic side

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<v Speaker 2>where we've taken a lot of these principles, including the

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<v Speaker 2>principles that Einstein identified, and are taking them as axiomatic

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<v Speaker 2>and not doing the inductive investigation necessary to try to

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<v Speaker 2>develop new principles or possibly question the principles that we have.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a theme of my work on my fields and

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. About a decade later, Einstein extended his special theory

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<v Speaker 2>of relativity to come up with a general theory of relativity.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the idea that mass and energy cause spaced curve

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<v Speaker 2>and that gravity is just a reflection of bodies moving

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<v Speaker 2>on this new curve. Space time geometry. I won't bother

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<v Speaker 2>coined by John Wheeler, who said space time tells matter

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<v Speaker 2>and that basically explains the fundamental concept behind general relativity.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a bunch of interesting details about that gamma

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<v Speaker 2>and cosmology that I'm going to have to skip for now.

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<v Speaker 2>But when Einstein came up with that theory, the question

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<v Speaker 2>arose how to test it. He was able to show

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<v Speaker 2>that his theory would match the observed Perihelian advance that

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, and you're packing up all your equipment

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<v Speaker 2>and going to the jungles of Brazil, or one group

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineteen it was confirmed. So if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>Einstein's career, he started off as a patent clerk in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh five with four great papers, the Special Relativity paper.

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<v Speaker 2>He did a paper on the photoelectric effect, on the

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<v Speaker 2>energy mass equivalents equals mc squared and on the atomic

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<v Speaker 2>theory in nineteen fifteen. He came up with general relativity

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen nineteen that was confirmed by Dyson and by Eddington.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks like some of my newspaper clippings got over the text.

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<v Speaker 2>But in nineteen twenty one he had a triumphant US

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, he came up with Einstein Bow's statistics to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven was really one of the pivotal moments in

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<v Speaker 2>physics history at the fifth Solve conference, where Einstein maintained

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<v Speaker 2>that God does not play dice with the universe, and

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<v Speaker 2>Boor's answer allegedly was that Einstein should stop telling God

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<v Speaker 2>what to do. Boror ultimately triumphed in the physics community

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<v Speaker 2>with his Copenhagen interpretation in nineteen thirty three. When Hitler

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<v Speaker 2>came to power, Einstein fled Germany. In nineteen thirty five,

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<v Speaker 2>from Princeton, where Einstein had ended up, he wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating paper that ended up being I think it's his

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<v Speaker 2>that today still has some of the greatest interest. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called the EPR paper after the initials of the authors Einstein,

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<v Speaker 2>Podolski and Rosen, and Einstein argued that quantum mechanics was

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<v Speaker 2>not complete. Basically, he argued that there was there were,

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<v Speaker 2>certain behavior, and quantum mechanics to avoid the concept of

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<v Speaker 2>spooky action the distance. In nineteen thirty nine, he collaborated

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<v Speaker 2>with a friend of his, Leos Zillard, to write a

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<v Speaker 2>an atomic bomb research project, which did happen, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>led to the Manhattan Project, and in nineteen fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>he ended up dying in Princeton. So that is the

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<v Speaker 2>conventional biography that you would get if you asked your

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<v Speaker 2>to do now is go a little further in depth

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<v Speaker 2>And Einstein credited an Austrian physicist named Ernst Mock with

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<v Speaker 2>that it was mock who, in his History of Mechanics,

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<v Speaker 2>book exercised a profound influence upon him. Mack had a

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<v Speaker 2>what came to be known as a positivist approach to science.

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<v Speaker 2>He argued that the world isn't composed of things, but

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<v Speaker 2>He argued that it really doesn't matter. It doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>any sense to talk about whether the Toolemaic versus the

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<v Speaker 2>Copernican model of the solar system, that one is right

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't make sense to talk about one being

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<v Speaker 2>real versus the other. And that idea developed into logical positivism,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a great influence not only on Einstein,

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<v Speaker 2>that physics has driven us to the positivist conception that

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot understand what events are, but can only describe

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<v Speaker 2>them in terms of mathematical terms organizing our observations, and

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<v Speaker 2>that as we dig into it is really a reversal

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<v Speaker 2>of cause and effect. It was more Mock and Einstein

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<v Speaker 2>having adopted those principles which drove the interpretation of physics,

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<v Speaker 2>and not the discoveries in physics which drove the adaptation

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<v Speaker 2>like it just appeared out of nothing from Einstein's imaginative

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<v Speaker 2>creative intelligence. And of course Born pointed out that that

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<v Speaker 2>is not true. A real interesting, fascinating sidelight. Einstein skipped

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<v Speaker 2>his math classes and got a friend to take notes,

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<v Speaker 2>Hermann Minkowski, who ended up developing the space time geometry

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<v Speaker 2>of developing relativity, And he also said for me, Einstein's

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<v Speaker 2>wife may have been involved in assisting him. It's really

421
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<v Speaker 2>hard to sort that out. I don't have a firm

422
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>opinion on it. There's a lot of people who've argued

423
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 2>that one way or the other. But what has become

424
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:31.839
<v Speaker 2>known as their letters have become public in recent years

425
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>is in nineteen oh two, Malava, who was then his

426
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend and fellow student, gave birth to their daughter, Leseral,

427
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>and no one really knows what her fate is. It's

428
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<v Speaker 2>not recorded in any of the letters. We don't know

429
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:53.200
<v Speaker 2>if she died in infancy of scarlet fever. That's one hypothesis.

430
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Some people argue that she was adopted. We don't really

431
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>know for sure, but Apparently Einstein had a daughter with

432
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 2>his girlfriend, Maliva before they got married. They were married

433
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen oh three. In nineteen oh four, their first son,

434
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Hans Albert, was born. In nineteen ten, their second son,

435
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Edward was born, and in nineteen twelve Einstein began an

436
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:25.440
<v Speaker 2>affair with his first cousin, Elsa. He ended up moving

437
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 2>to Berlin in nineteen fourteen. He stayed in Berlin, Malava

438
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.680
<v Speaker 2>had had enough at that point he had been very

439
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 2>dictatorial and abusive. There are letters that he wrote to

440
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>her with his demands of how she should run the

441
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>household if she wanted to remain in it. So she

442
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:48.839
<v Speaker 2>ended up going to Zurich with the boys, leaving Einstein there. Finally,

443
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen nineteen, Einstein divorced Malava and married Elsa. One

444
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 2>interesting highlight that really stuck with me is, you know,

445
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>it's important to understand Edward developed schizophrenia and had to

446
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>be institutionalized when he was in his early twenties, and

447
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:21.279
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty nine Einstein was busy helping Jews escape

448
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:26.839
<v Speaker 2>from Germany. Malabar wrote him, Now she would have been safe.

449
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>She was a Serbian Orthodox Christian. You know, even if

450
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Switzerland had fallen to the Nazis like neighboring Austria did.

451
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>She'd probably been okay, but her half Jewish son, Edward,

452
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.559
<v Speaker 2>who was in the mental institution. He would never have

453
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.799
<v Speaker 2>made it to a concentration camp. The Nazi policy was

454
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:53.279
<v Speaker 2>they just shocked mental patients out of hand for eugenic reasons.

455
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:57.759
<v Speaker 2>So she asked Albert to help get Edward out of Switzerland,

456
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 2>to get him safe to America, and he didn't do anything.

457
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>He refused to help. So, you know, his personal life

458
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:13.359
<v Speaker 2>was pretty questionable. But there's been a mythos built up

459
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>around Einstein as being the ultimate wise sage and benevolent figure.

460
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 2>The Hebrew University of Jerusalem has earned an estimated quarter

461
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:29.559
<v Speaker 2>billion dollars licensing his image, everything from Little Einstein's toys

462
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>to all kinds of promotional uses of the Einstein name. Recently,

463
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.640
<v Speaker 2>a physicist argued that the relationship between Einstein and the

464
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>press is a case in which a scientist's fame triumphed

465
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.599
<v Speaker 2>over the substance of his work. And I think that

466
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>as we develop the story a little further, you'll see

467
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:52.319
<v Speaker 2>how that turns out.

468
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that's true, But like this, his images everywhere,

469
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>sticking his tongue out, riding a bike. People quote him

470
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 1>as kind of like a more philosopher to personal life,

471
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>not really batting one hundred percent or whatever, so to speak.

472
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it is interesting how what a cultural impact

473
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<v Speaker 1>he has, more so than any of this information in

474
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<v Speaker 1>the Eclipse of nineteen nineteen.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Absolutely, And in fact, that's one of the things

476
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 2>that I want to explore where I've reached some dead

477
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<v Speaker 2>ends on the publicity campaign and how Einstein got promoted,

478
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>because I suspect there may have been other people involved

479
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>in pushing Einstein for their own reasons. I mean, some

480
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>of that's in the open, some of it isn't, and

481
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, we can only speculate and look at some

482
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:43.240
<v Speaker 2>of the clues.

483
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>He wouldn't be the first cultural figure promoted by other people.

484
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is a common phenomenon, certainly.

485
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Yeah, And you can see where there was people

486
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of motives to do so, right, gotcha.

487
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to go to the Eclipse of nineteen nineteen.

488
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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that a bit how previous attempts had failed.

489
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<v Speaker 2>But then two teams from England, one went to Brazil

490
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 2>and one went to an island off the coast of Africa,

491
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:16.359
<v Speaker 2>and they through some pretty questionable means that a lot

492
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:21.559
<v Speaker 2>of people have commented look very suspicious selectively throughout some

493
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 2>of the results, and the results that were left confirmed

494
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Einstein's theory, and they went full speed ahead saying that

495
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:33.920
<v Speaker 2>with complete confidence the theory had been confirmed. Now, a

496
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of people spend a lot of time arguing that

497
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 2>I think it's kind of a waste of time to

498
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>argue about the possible chicanery involved in the nineteen nineteen results,

499
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 2>because it was definitively confirmed in subsequent eclipses in nineteen

500
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty two and nineteen twenty nine. So if there was

501
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>some kind of selective editing or selection of the data,

502
00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 2>it didn't it doesn't affect the overall result. So his biographer,

503
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Abraham Pace said that November sixth, nineteen nineteen, that was

504
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the day the results were announced. He called it the

505
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 2>day on which Einstein was canonized, which I think is

506
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:24.239
<v Speaker 2>a jact just privigious term. Oh yeah, he's one of

507
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the saints of the modern day religion of scientism. And

508
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the New York Times had the headline you see there

509
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.480
<v Speaker 2>about lights all askew in the heavens. This started the

510
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:44.440
<v Speaker 2>myth of only twelve men alive could understand relativity, and

511
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>scientists were a gog at the results. The Times of

512
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:55.559
<v Speaker 2>London also promoted this revolution in science, new theory of

513
00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:00.360
<v Speaker 2>the universe, Newtonian ideas overthrown. And there was this a

514
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of famous photograph of a rather brooding Einstein on

515
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 2>top of the cover of the Berliner Illus Street. I

516
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:14.280
<v Speaker 2>don't even try the German pronunciation. They're a major German magazine,

517
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 2>and the you can't really read the German below Einstein,

518
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:24.239
<v Speaker 2>but it reads a new greatest in world history, Albert Einstein,

519
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.840
<v Speaker 2>whose research means a complete re evaluation of our view

520
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.280
<v Speaker 2>of nature and is equivalent to the discoveries of Copernicus

521
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:36.360
<v Speaker 2>and Kepler and Newton. So, you know, as I started to,

522
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 2>uh you dig into this, it was fascinating seeing, you know,

523
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 2>who was promoting Einstein and and what their their reasons were. Uh.

524
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, The New York Times worked very hard to

525
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:55.599
<v Speaker 2>be a paper of record and be impartial, but it

526
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 2>had Jewish ownership and occasionally, uh you know, Adolf Hawke's

527
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 2>who was the editor and publisher, he would push Jewish

528
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.840
<v Speaker 2>causes very heavily. The New York Times did a lot

529
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>of publicity on the Leo Frank case, which was just

530
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.800
<v Speaker 2>a few years before this, and really heavily pushed Einstein,

531
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.599
<v Speaker 2>which we'll see further when we talk about Einstein's visit

532
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.840
<v Speaker 2>to the US in nineteen twenty one.

533
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<v Speaker 1>And for people, sorry interrupt, but for people don't know,

534
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the eclipse of nineteen nineteen supposedly proved that mass influenced light, right,

535
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 1>that was basically.

536
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.320
<v Speaker 2>The core of it, yes, and that Einstein's theory of

537
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>curved space. It was taken to validate Einstein's theory of

538
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>curved space. And I think part of the reason relativity

539
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>became so popular is these scientific ideas were labeled as

540
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:54.079
<v Speaker 2>relativity and were taken popularly to mean, well, there are

541
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 2>no absolutes anymore. All truth is relative. And I think

542
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:01.480
<v Speaker 2>that's a large part of soul. So why it got

543
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.880
<v Speaker 2>the play and interpretation that it did.

544
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Okay, so Einstein, the New York Times maybe pro Jewish.

545
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, the fascinating thing is when you look at the

546
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Times of London, because you know then is now of

547
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 2>course they don't even say of London. You're supposed to know,

548
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you say the Times by itself that's

549
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 2>the one they mean. But then is now it was

550
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.760
<v Speaker 2>the paper of record for the British Empire, and you

551
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:33.159
<v Speaker 2>could kind of understand how they would be. They were

552
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:40.320
<v Speaker 2>interested in reconciliation after the war and in promoting internationalism.

553
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Einstein had been a good German one who was a pacifist,

554
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 2>who disapproved of the war, and so it was kind

555
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>of a way of contributing to the internationalization of science.

556
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.320
<v Speaker 2>It was fascinating to me. Just a few months after

557
00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:00.159
<v Speaker 2>they were busy promoting Einstein very heavily. That's when The

558
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Times published the Protocols of Zion at least initially when

559
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.599
<v Speaker 2>they were regarding them as being the legitimate publication. Then

560
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 2>they published a debunking of them a year or so

561
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.559
<v Speaker 2>after that, but they were very involved in the promotion

562
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.079
<v Speaker 2>of Einstein. And it kind of goes back to some

563
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:25.199
<v Speaker 2>interesting speculations I've seen from Richard Pohe recently wrote a

564
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.480
<v Speaker 2>book about how the British invented Communism, and he argued

565
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>that they were responsible for bifurcating Judaism into the Bolshevik

566
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:40.079
<v Speaker 2>branch and supporting it in Russia and into the Zionist branch.

567
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Some interesting speculations that may be involved in the promotion

568
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.400
<v Speaker 2>of Einstein, but that takes us a little far afield here,

569
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 2>So as you continue looking at some of the over

570
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<v Speaker 2>the top headlines about the learned being confound owned, one

571
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:07.639
<v Speaker 2>of the popular spokespersons for physics of the day was

572
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Oliver Lodge. He had done some of the pioneering work

573
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 2>on radio and in developing Maxwell's equations, and ironically, at

574
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.079
<v Speaker 2>the meeting where Einstein's where the general relativity results were

575
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:23.679
<v Speaker 2>first published, everyone was expecting him to speak, and he

576
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 2>rose and left because he said he had another engagement

577
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:36.320
<v Speaker 2>and offered half hearted refutations. It was peculiar seeing how

578
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 2>limply one of the champions of the ether theory just

579
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>folded in the face of these results. So one of

580
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>the things I think isn't widely appreciated is how even

581
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:58.840
<v Speaker 2>physicists regarded relativity and one's appreciation of it as being

582
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 2>almost an issue. Jay Robert Oppenheimer said that Einstein's work

583
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.880
<v Speaker 2>was widely understood and applied in the physics community, but

584
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.239
<v Speaker 2>there were always those who didn't like it, as there

585
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.800
<v Speaker 2>are those who might not like the painting of Seshon

586
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 2>or the quartets of Beethoven. Max Bourne said that the

587
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 2>foundation of general relativity appeared to me then and still

588
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.239
<v Speaker 2>does as the greatest feat of human thinking about nature,

589
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the most amazing combination of philosophic penetration, physical intuition, and

590
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>mathematical skill. But he acknowledged its connection with experience is slender.

591
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<v Speaker 2>It appeared to me like a great work of art

592
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 2>to be admired and enjoyed at a distance. Ernst Rutherford,

593
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<v Speaker 2>who was one of the pioneers of nuclear physics and

594
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 2>something of a relativity skeptic, said he made the offhanded

595
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:53.360
<v Speaker 2>compliment that the theory of relativity, quite apart from its validity,

596
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.559
<v Speaker 2>cannot but be regarded as a magnificent work of art.

597
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<v Speaker 2>So the fundamental concept here is, you know, physicists, even

598
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<v Speaker 2>if they used the Renz transforms and some of the

599
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:09.440
<v Speaker 2>principles that arose from relativity, did not necessarily appreciate the

600
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>esthetics of relativity. And that really gets back to the

601
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 2>whole top down versus bottom up approach to science, whether

602
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.639
<v Speaker 2>it should be deductive from basic principles like Einstein did,

603
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 2>or inductive looking at electromagnetic phenomenon and deriving the you know,

604
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 2>the appropriate transforms and conclusions from that and you know,

605
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:36.079
<v Speaker 2>the the unprecedented publicity campaign really antagonized a lot of

606
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Einstein's contemporaries, and Einstein really through fuel on the fire.

607
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 2>He had a number of critics, Probably the single most

608
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<v Speaker 2>prominent was a Nobel laureate named Philip Leonard, who took

609
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 2>issue with relativity. Leonard and another optical physicist, Ernst Gerk,

610
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:01.559
<v Speaker 2>they both challenged Einstein's priority. They pointed out people had

611
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 2>come up with the formula for light bending around the

612
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 2>sun before he did that Puan care had largely developed

613
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the theory and advance of Einstein, and Einstein's response to

614
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>this was to write a dialogue that looked suspiciously like

615
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 2>a takeoff of Galileo's system of the two worlds, and

616
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:29.119
<v Speaker 2>it was a dialogue between a critic and a relativist

617
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>with a touch of condescension towards the simplicity arguments that

618
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 2>the critic was unable to understand, and that was about

619
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:42.320
<v Speaker 2>as endearing to Einstein's critics as Galileo's version of the

620
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 2>same kind of approach was to the pope at the time.

621
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<v Speaker 2>So it was not a good way to win friends

622
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and influence people by implying that they were stupid and

623
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 2>slow for not being able to understand you. So one

624
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<v Speaker 2>of the really fascinating things is in ninety teaen twenty

625
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 2>a physicist named Paul Well, not even a physicist. No

626
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 2>one really knows what his background was. He claimed to

627
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>be an engineer. There's no record that he was ever

628
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>an engineer. He seems to be a kind of grifter

629
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.280
<v Speaker 2>and con artist named Paul Wayland claimed to be the

630
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:22.039
<v Speaker 2>head of what he called a working group German Scientist

631
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<v Speaker 2>for the Preservation of Pure Science. And he wrote a

632
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>very inflammatory letter in August of nineteen twenty claiming that

633
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 2>relativity was scientific hypnosis and a big hoax and it

634
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>was all plagiarized. And a few weeks later he rented

635
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the Berlin Philharmonic Hall, which is was one of the

636
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 2>premier event spaces, huge capacity, and hosted a public presentation

637
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 2>on relativity. He gave a very inflammatory talk. Geek also

638
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.880
<v Speaker 2>made a presentation that was a lot more academic and

639
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 2>matter of fact. Einstein attended and laughed and plained he

640
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:11.360
<v Speaker 2>found it very amusing, but he was obviously very disturbed

641
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.639
<v Speaker 2>by it because he then threatened to leave Berlin, and

642
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 2>he wrote what even his friends regarded as an angry

643
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and vicious polemic, and chose Leonard to blame for the presentation,

644
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.159
<v Speaker 2>even though Leonard was not there and was not involved.

645
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Some of Leonard's writings were distributed, but he had not

646
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 2>been involved in it. And then Leonard took personal offense

647
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 2>at Einstein's comments. That was really the start of the

648
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:45.199
<v Speaker 2>feud that they had. There was a meeting a few

649
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:50.559
<v Speaker 2>weeks later that I'll pick up a bit later, But

650
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:56.440
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of important to understand the attitude toward publicity

651
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.840
<v Speaker 2>at the time. Einstein was getting all of this intense

652
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.400
<v Speaker 2>publicity on the cover of magazines, articles lauding him as

653
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:09.920
<v Speaker 2>the greatest thinker ever and above Newton and Kepler and

654
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Galileo and so forth. This was at a time when

655
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:19.559
<v Speaker 2>his friend Max Bourne wrote a book on relativity and

656
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.719
<v Speaker 2>he thought, let me put a photo of Einstein in

657
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the book, and their mutual friend Max van Lowie was

658
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:30.679
<v Speaker 2>just utterly scandalized at this act of promotion. It was

659
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.400
<v Speaker 2>it was too far for a popular book let alone

660
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.920
<v Speaker 2>what purported to be a professional text in relativity to

661
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>have this dramatic glamour shot of Einstein on it, and

662
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Born promptly deleted the figure from the future additions so

663
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:55.239
<v Speaker 2>as not to engage in that shameless promotion. It's fascinating

664
00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.840
<v Speaker 2>looking at all of the early nineteen twenties promotion of Einstein,

665
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:07.039
<v Speaker 2>because we today are so jaded and skeptical and capable

666
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:11.159
<v Speaker 2>of exercising a lot more discernment on the propaganda that

667
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:14.480
<v Speaker 2>is coming down the pike and being thrown at us.

668
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Not that we're always capable of resisting it, but it's

669
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.199
<v Speaker 2>fascinating to look at the nineteen twenties when all these

670
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 2>techniques were new, and how comparatively crude and heavy handed

671
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 2>they were, because you can really see the propaganda machine

672
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.840
<v Speaker 2>in action when you look at these things now. This

673
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>is one of the most fascinating aspects of the promotion

674
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:49.880
<v Speaker 2>of Einstein. Mysterious gentleman named Alexander Muskowski. He described himself

675
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.199
<v Speaker 2>as being an adherent of the Cult of Einstein. He

676
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.360
<v Speaker 2>was an author of a number of books and novels.

677
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 2>He wrote books on jokes, he wrote books on the

678
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 2>occult and on sin's fiction. Of course, when I heard

679
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.079
<v Speaker 2>he was an occult author, that immediately perked up my

680
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.719
<v Speaker 2>antenna's and I looked into that a bit, and I'll

681
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:11.760
<v Speaker 2>talk more about what I found in the dead ends

682
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:15.039
<v Speaker 2>I reached. But he had a lot of long conversations

683
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 2>with Einstein and collaborated with Einstein on a very fawning

684
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:29.079
<v Speaker 2>biography of Einstein. You know, it scandalized Einstein's friends. They

685
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 2>urged Einstein to stop the publication. He made a half

686
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.360
<v Speaker 2>hearted effort, but you know, most of the biographers who've

687
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 2>discussed this agreed that, you know, he kind of let it,

688
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:43.960
<v Speaker 2>let it happen, and it was over the top. There

689
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 2>are some some phrases in it that are just, you know,

690
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 2>very much, you know, exaggerated and caused a lot of

691
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.360
<v Speaker 2>problems and caused a lot of offense. One of Einstein's contemporaries,

692
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the mathematician Felix Line, said, in his personal utterances, Einstein

693
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 2>is always so charming, quite unlike the foolish publicity circus

694
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 2>set in motion for him. And when I looked into Moskowski, yeah,

695
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.239
<v Speaker 2>of course, when I see someone has written books on

696
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.159
<v Speaker 2>the occult, my initial reaction is, Okay, what a cult

697
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 2>group was the guy involved with? Near as I can tell,

698
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:26.079
<v Speaker 2>he was involved with a group called Geselle Schaft der Freunde,

699
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:30.159
<v Speaker 2>which was near as I can tell, just a fraternal,

700
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 2>self help professional organization of Jewish businessman, mostly in Berlin.

701
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>But when you take a look at some of this

702
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>early history of Einstein, it's said that Puan care attributed

703
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:54.320
<v Speaker 2>the discovery of relativity to Einstein, and Moskowski said so,

704
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't mentioned at all in puan Carey's nineteen

705
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:02.679
<v Speaker 2>eight books. We have this account from Moskowski that he

706
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 2>went and he heard this talk by puon Carey on relativity.

707
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.639
<v Speaker 2>And even though pwon Carey had not really mentioned or

708
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:11.880
<v Speaker 2>given credit to Einstein in his book just a couple

709
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:15.039
<v Speaker 2>of years earlier, according to Moskowski, he had spoken of

710
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Einstein in such terms that Muskowski became obsessed with understanding

711
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Einstein and the importance of his ideas. He reported that

712
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.679
<v Speaker 2>puon Carey was filled with misgivings and obviously very stressed

713
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.360
<v Speaker 2>about the potential of Einstein's revolutionary approach to threaten science

714
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.719
<v Speaker 2>as currently understood, but we only have his word for it.

715
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:44.559
<v Speaker 2>He reported that puon Carey had lauded how wonderful Einstein's

716
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:49.280
<v Speaker 2>creativity was in a letter of recommendation, which normally you

717
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 2>would think those kinds of letters are kept private, but

718
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Muskowski got behold of it somehow without disclosing how he

719
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 2>got it, and reprinted the letter without any details of

720
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.599
<v Speaker 2>who it was to or how he got it. And

721
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.159
<v Speaker 2>he was the author of one of the most over

722
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the top articles, the one that appeared behind that cover

723
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:14.039
<v Speaker 2>photo of Einstein, and wrote that biography that all of

724
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Einstein's friends were concerned and appalled about how flattering and

725
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:21.639
<v Speaker 2>sympathetic it was. And with ponkar A dead in nineteen eleven,

726
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.199
<v Speaker 2>it would be very hard to challenge what he had

727
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:29.840
<v Speaker 2>to say. So he very clearly was working extremely hard

728
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 2>to promote Einstein and develop this legend behind him. But

729
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I haven't been able to come up with any ties.

730
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Further so, if you or any of the audience have

731
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 2>any ideas of whether he might have been involved in

732
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.920
<v Speaker 2>a broader effort to promote Einstein in particular, be interesting

733
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 2>to run that down. But I pretty much reached a

734
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:51.000
<v Speaker 2>dead end on that.

735
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, that's a message out to the audience, guys,

736
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:58.360
<v Speaker 1>keep an eye on Moskowski.

737
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Moskowski. A little bit of background. In nineteen seventeen, the

738
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 2>British issued the Balfour Declaration, basically expressing their approval and

739
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:18.079
<v Speaker 2>support of Jewish colon colonization in Palestine, which was a

740
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.719
<v Speaker 2>bit presumptuous of them because it was still under Ottoman

741
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:25.360
<v Speaker 2>control at the time. But after the war and after

742
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:30.719
<v Speaker 2>the Ottoman Empire was defeated, they were able to take

743
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:37.000
<v Speaker 2>possession and nineteen eighteen Chime Weitzman founded the Hebrew University

744
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:40.920
<v Speaker 2>in Jerusalem. He's a fascinating character. He did a lot

745
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:44.880
<v Speaker 2>of very important chemical work for the British. He came

746
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:48.679
<v Speaker 2>up with an organic process for generating actone, which was

747
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:53.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of new and in chemical engineering at the time,

748
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and that being a very critical war chemical. So there's

749
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 2>some thought that some of the British support, in addition

750
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:04.679
<v Speaker 2>to the Rothschild angle, that some of it might have

751
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 2>been paying back the favor of Weitzmann for his contributions. Well.

752
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:16.440
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen nineteen, a German Zionist named Blumenfeldt, Kurt Blumenfeldt

753
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 2>recruited Einstein and got Einstein interested in Zionism. In nineteen twenty,

754
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Einstein was trying to raise money. This was before he

755
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:31.400
<v Speaker 2>got his Nobel Prize winnings, you know, supporting the ex

756
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.880
<v Speaker 2>wife and kids in expensive. Zurich was kind of tough.

757
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.440
<v Speaker 2>The hyperinflation was just starting to It hadn't really hit

758
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.519
<v Speaker 2>full blast, but it was in process. He didn't have

759
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money. He solicited a bunch of American

760
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 2>universities asking for fifteen thousand dollars per lecture, got rebuffed

761
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 2>and decided to go to Belgium, to Leiden and attend

762
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>the Salve Conference instead. Well, Blumenthal persuaded Einstein to join

763
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Weizman on a fundraising tour to the US. A lot

764
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:08.880
<v Speaker 2>of Einstein's colleagues were very upset. Fritz Haber, who I'll

765
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:13.719
<v Speaker 2>talk more about later, fascinating character. He was an assimilated Jew,

766
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.719
<v Speaker 2>he'd converted to Christianity. He regarded it as akin to

767
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.199
<v Speaker 2>fraternization with the enemy, hanging out with the you know,

768
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:25.280
<v Speaker 2>the British and the Americans. Walter Nernst was upset because

769
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Speaker 2>he was one of the co founders of the Salve Conference,

770
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.000
<v Speaker 2>but amid the post World War One tensions, you know,

771
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.840
<v Speaker 2>the Belgians were not inclined to invite any Germans to

772
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 2>the conference except for Einstein because of his international reputation,

773
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:42.360
<v Speaker 2>and he was angry that Einstein backed out and that

774
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Germany would be unrepresented. Einstein declared that he was annoyed

775
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 2>by the undignified assimilationist cravings and strivings which he has

776
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:57.000
<v Speaker 2>observed in so many of his Jewish friends. So when

777
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Einstein came to Mamerica with the Zionist Party, over five

778
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 2>thousand people were there at the docks to greet the party,

779
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:11.360
<v Speaker 2>and it turns out they were there to greet the

780
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Zionists that the Eastern European and Russian Jews in New

781
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.960
<v Speaker 2>York had. You know, their newspapers had promoted the Zionist mission.

782
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.400
<v Speaker 2>It was very popular with that element of the Jewish

783
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 2>culture at the time, and that was what motivated this turnout.

784
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:35.679
<v Speaker 2>Well at the non Jewish reporters who were present saw

785
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.559
<v Speaker 2>this huge crowd and they were asking you who they

786
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.000
<v Speaker 2>were there for, and you know, people were talking about Weitzman,

787
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:43.079
<v Speaker 2>but they'd never heard of Weitzman, but they had heard

788
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:47.159
<v Speaker 2>of the Einstein guy. So it got misinterpreted as people

789
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:53.599
<v Speaker 2>there to celebrate the scientific achievements of Albert Einstein. So

790
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of a case of mistaken identity. Now there was

791
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:02.639
<v Speaker 2>another dynamic at play was kind of fascinating. The more

792
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:09.559
<v Speaker 2>establishment assimilated American Jews, the ones running New York Times

793
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:13.480
<v Speaker 2>controlling the media, were very skeptical of the Zionist program.

794
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:16.800
<v Speaker 2>There was a bit of a rift between the longtime

795
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:24.079
<v Speaker 2>establishment Jewish community and the newcomer Russian, Eastern European Jewish community.

796
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:28.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, the newcomers were in favor of the Zionist cause.

797
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:34.679
<v Speaker 2>The more established assimilationist American Jews were willing to charitably

798
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:39.159
<v Speaker 2>support their brethren in Palestine, but they weren't interested in

799
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:44.000
<v Speaker 2>promoting the concept of an independent Zionist state in Palestine.

800
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.119
<v Speaker 2>So that tension played out in the trip and is

801
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 2>part of why Einstein got promoted. He was promoted to

802
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 2>distract from the Zionist mission. Walter Isaacson, who wrote a

803
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:03.280
<v Speaker 2>biography of Einstein, declared that Einstein's trip to America triggered

804
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 2>the kind of mass hysteria that would greet the Beatles

805
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.960
<v Speaker 2>four decades later, and that of course got me thinking

806
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 2>about some of the speculations about the Beatles and their

807
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:16.960
<v Speaker 2>popularity and how that might have been engineered. And when

808
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 2>I started digging into the question of whether there was

809
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:26.760
<v Speaker 2>some engineering involved in the mass and unprecedented publicity Einstein

810
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 2>got when he arrived in America, I landed at a

811
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:36.760
<v Speaker 2>gentleman named Edward Burnez, who's no the father of propaganda

812
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:40.239
<v Speaker 2>and public relations. He started off his career as a

813
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:44.800
<v Speaker 2>theatrical publicist on Broadway. His first big triumph was in

814
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:50.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirteen he promoted a book called or a play

815
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 2>called Damaged Goods about a man with syphilis who has

816
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:59.159
<v Speaker 2>a child and passes on the syphilist child. Know, of course,

817
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:04.639
<v Speaker 2>talking about sexually transmitted diseases in Broadway plays was you know,

818
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 2>beyond the pale at the time, and you know, no

819
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:11.119
<v Speaker 2>one would would support the play. He generated or created

820
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:15.079
<v Speaker 2>an organization to promote it as an educational exercise, and

821
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:18.719
<v Speaker 2>he got support from Rockefellers and Vanderbilts, and you know,

822
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:22.679
<v Speaker 2>even a young Franklin delan Or Roosevelt signed on backing

823
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 2>this and ultimately got the the play produced. That really,

824
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that starting point in his career kind of illustrates, you know,

825
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:35.400
<v Speaker 2>not only his effectiveness at promoting his clients, but how

826
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:39.400
<v Speaker 2>he often mixed his political activism as kind of a

827
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 2>side interest with his publicity projects that he took on.

828
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:48.000
<v Speaker 2>When World War One broke out, he started the in

829
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:51.000
<v Speaker 2>on the US Committee on Public Information that was the

830
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:56.519
<v Speaker 2>American War Propaganda Group, and he declared that the war

831
00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:00.920
<v Speaker 2>opened the eyes of the intelligent few to the possibilities

832
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.760
<v Speaker 2>of regimenting the public mind, and that is what he

833
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.119
<v Speaker 2>set out to do by founding one of the first

834
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:16.239
<v Speaker 2>public relations consulting groups in America. Unlike a conventional public

835
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<v Speaker 2>relations expert, who would you take a reporter out to

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<v Speaker 2>lunch and try to wheedle and cajole him into printing

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<v Speaker 2>a press release or talking with an editor about, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you promote my client? For these reasons, his

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<v Speaker 2>approach was to create events and circumstances which newspapers are

840
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<v Speaker 2>compelled to notice as news. Some of those examples include

841
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<v Speaker 2>when he got married, he wanted to promote his wedding,

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<v Speaker 2>and instead of just submitting a wedding announcement to The

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times, he got his wife to go to

844
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<v Speaker 2>the Waldorf Astoria and register for the honeymoon suite under

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00:58:56.679 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 2>her maiden name, which ended up causing a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>pearl clutching and publicity. Over two hundred newspapers reported the scandal,

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<v Speaker 2>and the August Hotel ended up allowing that to happen,

848
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:12.679
<v Speaker 2>and what are we? What have we come to? And

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00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:16.000
<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth. Uh The Waldorf Astoria was

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<v Speaker 2>one of his clients, and he ended up promoting the

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00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:23.559
<v Speaker 2>cause of feminism. Uh you know, he was an early

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00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:27.400
<v Speaker 2>supporter of women's rights and feminism, so that was another

853
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<v Speaker 2>uh politically charged tuffer in. To his credit, he coined

854
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:36.719
<v Speaker 2>the or. He started the art of celebrity endorsement. He

855
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.719
<v Speaker 2>got Calvin Coolidge elected in part because he got a

856
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<v Speaker 2>bunch of Broadway actors to come to the White House

857
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 2>for a pancake breakfast. He was instrumental in getting women smoking.

858
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:51.039
<v Speaker 2>He got a bunch of women to smoke cigarettes up

859
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<v Speaker 2>and down New York Smith Avenue on Easter Sunday, which

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of press. And then when the owner

861
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<v Speaker 2>of Lucky stro Ike's complained women still weren't smoking enough

862
01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:07.519
<v Speaker 2>because they didn't like the packaging, Burne said, well, that's easy.

863
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<v Speaker 2>Changed the color of your packaging. And the owner of

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<v Speaker 2>Lucky strike said, no, we spent a lot on this packaging.

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<v Speaker 2>You changed the colors that women like so Brenez went

866
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:18.559
<v Speaker 2>often did that. He got parish fastened designers to adopt

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01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:21.079
<v Speaker 2>green as the color of the season, even held a

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01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:25.360
<v Speaker 2>green ball to promote the color of green. A bacon

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01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:31.559
<v Speaker 2>manufacturer hired him to promote bacon and he came up

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01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 2>with the idea of setting up a medical educational group

871
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.679
<v Speaker 2>where doctors promoted the idea of a hearty breakfast. So

872
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:43.719
<v Speaker 2>the American eggs and bacon breakfast. That's Brene's handiwork, still

873
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:47.440
<v Speaker 2>in operation a century later, promoting sales of bacon.

874
01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Bacon was the throwaway item that used to be now

875
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:55.599
<v Speaker 1>used to be the unwanted piece, so they elevated it

876
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:58.400
<v Speaker 1>into something that's now ubiquitous. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely think that was fascinating. Is in his memoirs he

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01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:06.920
<v Speaker 2>notes how he was a friend of Jane Whisman, and

879
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.920
<v Speaker 2>so much of a friend that he claims Whitesman offered

880
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.519
<v Speaker 2>him the position of foreign Minister for the new Zionist

881
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:18.760
<v Speaker 2>state in Palestine when it was would be founded. And

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01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:24.239
<v Speaker 2>when you look into the records, there's no There are

883
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:28.880
<v Speaker 2>contemporary records that say he consulted with Whitesmen, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>no record I was able to find on what he

885
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:37.320
<v Speaker 2>consulted about with Whitesman. So my speculation is he may

886
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:41.760
<v Speaker 2>well have been involved in the publicity tour. Whether he

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01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:44.960
<v Speaker 2>was or not, it was clearly an example of the

888
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:49.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of events and circumstances publicity that was his hallmark.

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01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:55.360
<v Speaker 2>And he also commented the conscious and intelligent manipulation of

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01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an

891
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:03.239
<v Speaker 2>important element in democratics society. Those who manipulate this unseen

892
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:09.559
<v Speaker 2>mechanism constitute the ruling power of the country. So very prescient.

893
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:12.679
<v Speaker 2>He's well worth studying, and his book Propaganda is a

894
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 2>very short and easy read. I recommend it. So I

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01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.159
<v Speaker 2>want to go ahead and kind of speed up a

896
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.360
<v Speaker 2>bit on the publicity that was.

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<v Speaker 1>At just a sec Hans. We are at the one

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<v Speaker 1>hour mark. You're on slide twenty six. You have sixty

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01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.639
<v Speaker 1>five slides. Do you want to break this into two

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01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.079
<v Speaker 1>or do you want to just hurry up and make

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01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 1>it through and a half an hour? What do you

902
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:40.760
<v Speaker 1>leave the choice up to you?

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01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:45.519
<v Speaker 3>We'll probably have to break it up. Okay, let's do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just plan to meet sometime early in June. So

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01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:51.800
<v Speaker 3>this will be part one. Where can people find kinda

906
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.400
<v Speaker 3>to catch up with your stuff? I know website substack.

907
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Can you mention those?

908
01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my substack website at Ether's dot substack dot com.

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01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:07.679
<v Speaker 2>My fields and Energy substack. This is basically a summary

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01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:10.880
<v Speaker 2>of a number of posts I've done over the last

911
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 2>six months or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha? So these you can kind of see all of

913
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the articles here. You can see this Fields and Energy,

914
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of articles, a lot of different postings. And

915
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 1>can you talk about what's the Society for Post Quantum Research?

916
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Can you talk about that?

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01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:32.039
<v Speaker 2>That is a group that I set up to kind

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01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:37.199
<v Speaker 2>of provide a commercial basis for my work. The slide

919
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:42.039
<v Speaker 2>or the post that you're sharing right now. I mentored

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01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:46.599
<v Speaker 2>a high school student to do quantum entanglement for his

921
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:53.719
<v Speaker 2>high school science project. What he did was take a

922
01:03:53.840 --> 01:04:01.239
<v Speaker 2>radioactive substance, sodium twenty two, that emits positrons basically antimatter

923
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 2>versions of electrons, and they immediately annihilate and they create

924
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:09.639
<v Speaker 2>an entangled pair of gamma rays, and he was able

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<v Speaker 2>to set up a pair of Geiger tubes to measure

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<v Speaker 2>those and to count the number of coincidences and demonstrate

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01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:26.800
<v Speaker 2>that there was a statistically improbable number of coincidences that

928
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.840
<v Speaker 2>demonstrated that quantum entanglement was happening in the system. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's really a very cool little experiment he was able

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01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:40.239
<v Speaker 2>to pull together because normally the laboratory equipment to do

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01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:45.039
<v Speaker 2>any sort of experiment with quantum entanglement is at least

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01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:48.400
<v Speaker 2>thirty to fifty thousand dollars if you want to look

933
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:52.960
<v Speaker 2>at single photon measurements. But if those photons are gamma

934
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<v Speaker 2>ray photons, then you can use a Geiger counter tube.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not all that sensitive, but you're able to do

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01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:02.960
<v Speaker 2>an enough you'll get enough data to get a meaningful

937
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:08.280
<v Speaker 2>result off of it. It's based on, or was inspired by,

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01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:13.840
<v Speaker 2>a Scientific American article by it's listed there. I think

939
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<v Speaker 2>it was George Musser in a few years ago. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the author of that book Spooky Action at a Distance,

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01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.119
<v Speaker 2>which I would recommend. It's a good book if you

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01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:29.320
<v Speaker 2>want to understand how quantum entanglement works from a layman's perspective.

943
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<v Speaker 2>But he described this experiment and we unfortunately the equipment

944
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:37.360
<v Speaker 2>that he used is no longer available, so we had

945
01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:43.679
<v Speaker 2>to cobble together a set of equipment that Corbyn was

946
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<v Speaker 2>able to put together for his science project.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, that's so you've got a sub stack. You have

948
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<v Speaker 1>your website which is SPQR. Right, that's the Society for

949
01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Post Quantum Research. Why is it post quantum?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand that well, because I think we're going

951
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<v Speaker 2>to be moving into a new realm of quantum physics.

952
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<v Speaker 2>That term has been used before to denote the possibilities

953
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<v Speaker 2>of quantum computing. It's thought that if we had a

954
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<v Speaker 2>quantum computer, it would be able to solve all sorts

955
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:26.039
<v Speaker 2>of previously intractable problems, like factorization of prime numbers, which

956
01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:29.960
<v Speaker 2>is one of the key ideas behind cryptography. I'm kind

957
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:33.760
<v Speaker 2>of skeptical about quantum computing, particularly when you consider that

958
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<v Speaker 2>the biggest number that has been successfully factorized using quantum

959
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:44.960
<v Speaker 2>computing is fifteen. So I think there's a long way

960
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.400
<v Speaker 2>to go there, and a little skeptical about some of

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<v Speaker 2>the premises underlying quantum computing. But I think that the

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01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:56.480
<v Speaker 2>fields and energy approach to electromagnetism and quantum mechanics could

963
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<v Speaker 2>allow us to leap frog some of those limitations. And

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<v Speaker 2>why I set up the Society for Post Quantum Research

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01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:06.400
<v Speaker 2>and kind of hearkening back to a more classical motif

966
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<v Speaker 2>in physics.

967
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<v Speaker 1>And Johnny Sumatra mentions Neil deGrasse Tyson is one of

968
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:18.519
<v Speaker 1>these kind of science experts that's promoted. It's interesting, so

969
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<v Speaker 1>Einstein could be in the veila. There's another guy, the

970
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:24.800
<v Speaker 1>science guy or whatever, like he was an actor before

971
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.519
<v Speaker 1>he became the science guy. Then he got promoted and

972
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:31.440
<v Speaker 1>he's totally He has some interesting political opinions. I forgot

973
01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:33.079
<v Speaker 1>his name, Bill, not the science guy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yes, well, and that's another feature. The people who

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01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:41.960
<v Speaker 2>get promoted and get publicity are the ones who are

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<v Speaker 2>on message with what you know. The people who control

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01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:48.079
<v Speaker 2>that media want you to hear. So it's very tough

978
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:52.119
<v Speaker 2>to get independent views, and I think podcasts like yours

979
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:57.079
<v Speaker 2>are an important element of letting people hear independent perspectives

980
01:07:57.079 --> 01:07:57.519
<v Speaker 2>on things.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, you know, that's kind of want

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01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:02.440
<v Speaker 1>to do what I do. But Hans, thanks so much

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<v Speaker 1>for your time. I tried to keep up with you.

984
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<v Speaker 1>Really interesting. I didn't know a lot of that history

985
01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:10.880
<v Speaker 1>about Einstein, and they never talked about him in the

986
01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:15.400
<v Speaker 1>context of other physics luminaries. You know, it's just him,

987
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:17.720
<v Speaker 1>which I think is interesting in itself.

988
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:22.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's kind of a physics icon, but you know,

989
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:27.720
<v Speaker 2>it's a mythology that has been built up around him.

990
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:33.079
<v Speaker 2>And it's very telling that when you know there was

991
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 2>an existential threat and America was busy working on the

992
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Manhattan Project, Einstein was not invited to participate, and that

993
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:44.199
<v Speaker 2>really kind of shows you the attitude that the physics

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<v Speaker 2>community had of Einstein even then, that they were quite

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01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:51.039
<v Speaker 2>content for him to stay, you know, puttering and theorizing,

996
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:55.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, at Princeton instead of being involved. There's the

997
01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.720
<v Speaker 2>conventional wisdom is he had this brilliant youth where he

998
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:03.920
<v Speaker 2>came up with relativity and probably the last significant thing

999
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:07.600
<v Speaker 2>he did was the Bow's Einstein statistics, and he just

1000
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<v Speaker 2>couldn't keep up with the creative new ideas and quantum mechanics,

1001
01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:14.560
<v Speaker 2>and you know, even his EPR paper, well that was

1002
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.640
<v Speaker 2>just the you know, the the last cry of the

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<v Speaker 2>angry old man arguing that the Copenhagen interpretationists needed to

1004
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:25.239
<v Speaker 2>get off his lawn. You know, he really wasn't taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>And my perspective, is i'll get into the next time,

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<v Speaker 2>is that he came to realize that his approach to relativity,

1007
01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:42.640
<v Speaker 2>focusing on observables was wrong, and that a you know,

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01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:48.439
<v Speaker 2>the causal connectedness of reality was very important. That God

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01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:52.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't play Guy didn't play dice with the universe, and

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01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:56.079
<v Speaker 2>it's important a lot of people's conceptions of quantum mechanics.

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01:09:56.119 --> 01:10:00.560
<v Speaker 2>They'll focus on things like Schrodinger's cat being the live

1012
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:02.680
<v Speaker 2>and dead until you open the box and look in,

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01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.439
<v Speaker 2>or this concept of spooky action at a distance. And

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01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:11.640
<v Speaker 2>both of those concepts were reductio ad absurdums that were

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01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:15.319
<v Speaker 2>invented by Schrodinger in Einstein, respectively, to show how ludicrous

1016
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the conventional interpretation was. So we'll get to that here

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01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:23.000
<v Speaker 2>in part two.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool and Johnny writes amazing broadcast. Gents, sub to Hans

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<v Speaker 1>at substec. Now, Johnny, thanks for listening. He's listening on

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<v Speaker 1>X so you can least see these live on X two.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm now streaming there or rumble. And also I will

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<v Speaker 1>put a link to Hans's substacks, so people check that

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<v Speaker 1>out Fields and Energy, and then also our earlier conversation

1024
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<v Speaker 1>we had last month in April about the wives of

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<v Speaker 1>Heart of modern day reimagining of the scopes monkey Trill

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<v Speaker 1>check that out too. I'll put a link in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes for this, and then we'll I'll start put

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<v Speaker 1>something together for June and we can go back into

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of these slides. So it's Hans G. Shaantson

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<v Speaker 1>S C, H A N t Z. And the title

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<v Speaker 1>for the talk today was Einstein, Relativity and Modern Physics

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 2>For your time. Sure, thank you for having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Are cool? Stay there, Stay there all right, I just

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<v Speaker 1>have to
