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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>A M six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on

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<v Speaker 2>The shrooms, right, the shrooms? What about them? I threw

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<v Speaker 2>them out? Oh the story got it? I know, shut,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't actually have magic mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the shows that I've been watching is Clarkson's Farm.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Jeremy Clarkson. He guys mushrooms on his farm and

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<v Speaker 3>he had so many mushrooms that he was selling them

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<v Speaker 3>to different bars and pubs and stuff like that. And

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<v Speaker 3>he was making lunches for the crew, the film crew,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was mushrooms on toast, and it sounded awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you don't like mushrooms, I think if you do,

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<v Speaker 1>that probably sounds good. Who likes mushrooms? Like everybody like, who, Debra,

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<v Speaker 1>do you like mushrooms?

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<v Speaker 2>I do like mushrooms. I'm very picky about the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of mushrooms that I like, though. Yeah, there's there's some

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<v Speaker 2>that I that I do enjoy. I like porcini. Porcini.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if I chop them up because my husband loves mushrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>So if I chop them up real thin, like I

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<v Speaker 1>put them in lasagna and stuff. But I also hide

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<v Speaker 1>zucchini in there as well. But like if I if I,

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<v Speaker 1>if I really mince them, I don't mind them.

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<v Speaker 2>What about on a pizza and pasta pizza things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's like there's something I'm a verse too

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<v Speaker 1>when I see the mushroom or the shape of the mushroom,

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<v Speaker 1>like a slice of a mushroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, big thick mushroom turns me off. Yeah, it's time

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<v Speaker 2>for small flatch politician, which means I'm a cheat and

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<v Speaker 2>a liar. And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing

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<v Speaker 2>their lollipops.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders

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<v Speaker 4>are dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>The other side never quits, so.

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<v Speaker 3>What I'm not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>So that is how you drain the swat.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine what can be and be unburden. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>NERVs have always been gone.

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<v Speaker 3>A political blunder is what a politician actually tells the.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth whether people voted for you with Masked watch, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say it happens most days.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one moment of this show where I'm like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I woke up this morning, Like that is what

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<v Speaker 1>was worth getting out of bed for, and that moment

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<v Speaker 1>just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>A limited ceasefire deal is being finalized between Russia and Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>This is according to the White House. The two countries

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<v Speaker 1>have been holed up in Saudi Arabia for about a week.

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<v Speaker 1>They've agreed to stop fighting in the Black Sea. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>work to agree to halt any strikes on energy infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been three days of recent negotiations there as

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainian and Russian delegations met with our mediators US mediators separately.

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainian presidents Lensky says a ceasefire in the Black Sea

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<v Speaker 1>is already in effect.

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<v Speaker 3>M and Trump stood by his national security advisor today.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump stood by his national security advisor, Mike Walls.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Walls was the one who set up this chat

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<v Speaker 3>group in the Signal app that included the Atlantic magazine's

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<v Speaker 3>editor in chief. It was intended to be a private,

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<v Speaker 3>very high level, cabinet level chat on the messaging app Signal,

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<v Speaker 3>and apparently some military plans were being discussed. Jeffrey Goldberg,

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<v Speaker 3>the editor, broke the story, talked about it yesterday in

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<v Speaker 3>a very lengthy article that he thought Originally it was

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<v Speaker 3>a trick.

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<v Speaker 2>He thought it wasn't real, and when he.

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<v Speaker 3>Realized it was real, he realized he had a treasure

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<v Speaker 3>trove of information that he wasn't supposed to be privy to.

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<v Speaker 1>And again I think about how fun that thought exercise

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<v Speaker 1>is is does he play his hand now, which he did,

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<v Speaker 1>or does he use that information for leverage with this

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<v Speaker 1>administration where I don't think you would get anywhere this

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<v Speaker 1>particular administration. So I think it was smart for Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Goldberg to play his hand and run with this while

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<v Speaker 3>Pete Hegseth, I will say the Secretary of Defense said

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<v Speaker 3>there were no war plans that were discussed. Caroline Levitt,

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<v Speaker 3>the White House Press Secretary, said there was no classified

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<v Speaker 2>But that goes again.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, but Caroline Levitt, like she can say the sky

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<v Speaker 1>is blue, and I'm going to need four other people

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Jeffrey Goldberg, again the writer, the editor in chief.

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<v Speaker 3>He explained what he saw without getting into too many

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<v Speaker 3>specifics that were very detailed, according to him, about what

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<v Speaker 3>the plan was, to the point when to the point

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<v Speaker 3>where I should say he knew down to the minute

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<v Speaker 3>when these attacks were supposed to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean they were clearly planning, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>They've said it was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI today has announced is looking to crack down

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<v Speaker 1>on recent attacks against Tesla. They're going to create a

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<v Speaker 1>new task force. The FBI is urging the public to

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<v Speaker 1>exercise vigilance look out for suspicious activity where several incidents

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<v Speaker 1>around the country have been involving Tesla's charging stations, dealerships

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that ever since Trump began working with

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk. But the US Attorney General, Pam Bondi is

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<v Speaker 1>called the attacks domestic terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've said that they're going to set up task force.

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<v Speaker 2>It must be nice.

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<v Speaker 1>What about all the stolen catalytic converters. There should be

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<v Speaker 1>a task force about that, shouldn't there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, remember, according to the La City Council, it was

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<v Speaker 3>Toyota's fault for putting the catalytic converter in a place

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<v Speaker 3>where it was easy to steal. We mentioned yesterday that

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<v Speaker 3>Usha Vance, the second Lady of the United States, is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be along with Mike Waltz, assuming he's still

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<v Speaker 3>on the travel docket, headed to Greenland later this week,

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<v Speaker 3>and Jative Fredericson, the Danish Prime minister, says the United

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<v Speaker 3>States has been putting unacceptable pressure on Greenland before this visit.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't ask for, by the way, and in fact

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<v Speaker 3>Metta Fredericson, Prime Minister has vowed that she will be

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<v Speaker 3>resisting all of this pressure. She said, I have to

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<v Speaker 3>in the situation, and it is pressure that we will resist.

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<v Speaker 3>She I dismissed the idea of the trip being a

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<v Speaker 3>official representatives from another country. Of course, this is all

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<v Speaker 3>going to President Trump's ongoing discussion about taking over Greenland

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<v Speaker 3>somehow because of its geo graphic importance to US.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Little texted me, I'm never eating your lasagna portrait news.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we ready for some Trump portrait news? Where we

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<v Speaker 1>last found the portrait in the Colorado State House is

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<v Speaker 1>where Trump saw and did not like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like Puffy. It no longer hangs there.

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<v Speaker 1>The portrait was removed at the request of Republican leaders

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<v Speaker 1>in the legislature after the President claimed it was purposefully distorted.

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<v Speaker 1>It had been hanging there since twenty nineteen. Colorado Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>raised more than ten thousand dollars to commission the oil painting.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never commissioned a painting before.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the event that I did, and I dropped

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<v Speaker 3>ten grand on it, wouldn't I have final say about

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not it's a good painting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the Republicans in Colorado thought it was fine, because

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<v Speaker 2>Who put this in thout. That's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought it was fine. He just didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>You've seen pictures of yourself that people thought were fine

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<v Speaker 1>that you probably didn't like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the one that you always want to post about

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<v Speaker 2>me in the mess shirt. I don't want to always

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<v Speaker 2>post that. Are you kidding? Do you think I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see that again? Ever?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I do not, I feel or whatever the one

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<v Speaker 1>that I post never mind. The Kremlin has confirmed that

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<v Speaker 1>Vladimir Putin has gifted to Trump a portrait he commissioned

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was, but a spokesperson for Putin says that he gave

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this month. The gift was first mentioned last week

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<v Speaker 1>in an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, former

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<v Speaker 1>I should say he told, uh, Tucker Carlson Witcoff did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was clearly touched by the portrait. He's not the

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<v Speaker 1>first setting the sitting president to receive a gift from Putin.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, Putin gave Joe Biden a writing

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<v Speaker 1>box and a pen. He sent Barack Obama porcelain plates

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<v Speaker 1>and espresso cups in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>How extensive do you think they tear apart a writing

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<v Speaker 3>box to see if it's bugged or it's Somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>Would that be too naive? Maybe that's too many movies.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's like a movie from one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. That's very possible.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't need little wooden boxes to bug our presidents

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<v Speaker 3>April twenty first is the day after ep the day

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<v Speaker 3>after Easter. It's the traditional day of the White House

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<v Speaker 3>Easter egg roll, and this year, according to The New

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<v Speaker 3>York Times, the White House is allowing companies to have

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this this morning, and there'll be people like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, oh the horror putting a sponsorship on

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<v Speaker 2>Sacred as the egg roll.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is all the decorum and just the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>doing something for tradition. Washington has been bought and sold

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<v Speaker 1>for since its inception.

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<v Speaker 2>There it is filled with whores. It is a swamp

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<v Speaker 2>filled with whoes.

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<v Speaker 1>And to think that the egg roll isn't sponsored by X,

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<v Speaker 1>Y and Z as being naive.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and isn't it hasn't It been traditionally sponsored by

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<v Speaker 3>the American egg Board forever. Now you're going to get

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<v Speaker 3>some oil company, in a tobacco company or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are we thing is, why are we hiding the

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<v Speaker 1>whoring that we know exists right?

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<v Speaker 3>Act, act like it doesn't happen, But when it's out

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<v Speaker 3>in the open, come on all right, tax revenues? Are

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<v Speaker 3>you going to pay your taxes this year? The answer

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<v Speaker 3>should be yes, but so many people are like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to wait and see what happens. That's a

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<v Speaker 3>good way to get yourself in trouble. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 3>that we come back.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 2>Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Conway will start a segment and then like

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<v Speaker 1>go run errands and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Come back.

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<v Speaker 1>And pick it right back up. It's brilliant, really freaking brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>The beauty of living in burbank. Right, you start the segment,

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<v Speaker 1>you go home, left, the water gets or the long

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<v Speaker 1>gets watered. Sure, the laundry gets done. See were doing

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<v Speaker 1>laundry right.

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<v Speaker 3>Gerard Deppardieu is on trial right now for what he

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<v Speaker 3>sitting slumped in a special orthopedic stool in a Paris

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<v Speaker 3>courtroom today, faces too counts of sexual assault. If convicted,

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<v Speaker 3>faces up to five years in prison find of eighty

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<v Speaker 3>one thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>They all kind of blend together, don't they. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>N see Double a men's basketball tournament seeing its highest

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<v Speaker 1>viewership in decades. Games through the second round are averaging

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<v Speaker 1>the most watched in thirty two years. Why, I wonder why?

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<v Speaker 3>Because you can? I mean, there's so many ways that

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<v Speaker 2>No, but you're kind.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I like where your head at Risotto?

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about NCAA viewership, right, But yeah? And

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<v Speaker 1>then also, what would you say is summer's most anticipated

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<v Speaker 1>Those dinosaurs keep getting reborn. They live life on the edge,

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<v Speaker 1>Put on that white shirt. The Fantastic Four, First Steps

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<v Speaker 1>of Mission Impossible, The Final Reckoning, Superman, Thunder, and from

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<v Speaker 2>Top five most interested in that Mission Impossible thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And talk to me about John I know I should.

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<v Speaker 1>You've told me I should watch the John Wick movies.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you should in the same way that that Moe

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, But what's he doing with a ballerina that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even worth The explanation is she's a character that

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't it's not science fiction like that. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>like fantasy world. But yes, there, it's got its own universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, and it's Keanu Reeves. That's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly right. That is John Wick.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think, all right, we'll get into our mushroom

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<v Speaker 3>story when we come back. Oh, I just want to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Treasury Department in the IRS, they predict a decrease of

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<v Speaker 3>deadline compared to last week, and a lot of them

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<v Speaker 3>have to a lot of those people have said that

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<v Speaker 3>wait and see what happens with Doge. Like somehow Doze

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<v Speaker 2>That's not how it's going to work. Gary and Shannon

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 3>Gary and Shannon kfi AM six forty five, everywhere in

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<v Speaker 3>the iHeartRadio app gotten mushrooms for this just to do

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<v Speaker 3>this segment. You mean, yes, National Weather Services today is

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<v Speaker 3>There were a handful of records that were set. Woodland

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<v Speaker 3>six degrees, Palmdale tied to record at eighty forty yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>This trip to Greenland is getting a little dice heer,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was never going to be very great.

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<v Speaker 1>A number of delegations, delegates from the Trump administration going

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if if he's still on the travel plans, They said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>They said it was a private visit. But the head of.

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<v Speaker 1>Denmark. The Danish Prime Minister says, no, there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>that this is a private visit. He said, you cannot

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<v Speaker 1>He went on to say, I have to say it

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<v Speaker 1>Poor asha USh Advance. USh Advance is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>Mentioned the NCAA tournament and how it's getting pretty crazy

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<v Speaker 3>ratings this year. The women's side was rocked. I think

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<v Speaker 3>you could say USC's Juju Watkins out sophomore scoring guard.

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<v Speaker 3>They said that she is one of those transformative players,

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<v Speaker 3>if not just for the school, maybe for the entire game. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>season ending injury last night. They probably tore she probably

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<v Speaker 3>tore her ACL in her right leg. But USC, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was in the first quarter. They were able to

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<v Speaker 3>come back. USC overcame the injury. They won ninety six

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<v Speaker 3>to fifty nine last night. They will face the number

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<v Speaker 3>five seed Kansas State Kansas State Jayhawks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah jay howks Kansas not Kansas State. Kansas State is

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm looking for, is that becificity Kansas state.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, there's people scream at the radio right now, and

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<v Speaker 3>Wildcats, wildcats, of course, everybody's a wildcat.

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<v Speaker 2>That should just be our first go to the guests.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, Colorado has always led the nation when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to drugs. Well not really, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>what the pod and the legalizing of the pod and

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<v Speaker 1>the pot everywhere. Well now they're doing that with mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>State regulated psychedelic mushrooms have arrived in Colorado nearly two

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<v Speaker 1>years after Oregon began offering them.

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<v Speaker 2>These mushrooms are a Schedule one drug.

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<v Speaker 1>They are a legal under federal law except for clinical research.

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<v Speaker 1>William Smith is an assistant professor of psychiatry at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of North Carolina. He says, in Oregon and Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to learn a lot about administration of psychedelics

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<v Speaker 1>outside of clinical, religious, and underground settings. Because they're the

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<v Speaker 1>first to try this in the country. We know what

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<v Speaker 2>William, Well, this isn't a new thing.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been the specifically about what psilocybin does and

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<v Speaker 3>the potential to treat people with depression, with anxiety, with

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<v Speaker 3>to other treatments, other therapies. RFK Junior had said that

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<v Speaker 3>he his mind is open to the idea of psychedelics

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to treatment, but they don't come without

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<v Speaker 3>side effects. That's the biggest issue, they said, headache, nausea.

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<v Speaker 3>there are extended difficulties from using psychedelics that can last

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<v Speaker 3>weeks or months or years. I met Timothy Leary one

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<v Speaker 3>time when he came to speak at Chico State, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was clear, very clear that decades of psychedelics will

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<v Speaker 3>completely destroy your brain completely. And I know that he

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<v Speaker 3>was held up as one of the guys. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>You do that, LSD. He was gone, he was gone.

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<v Speaker 3>He could not hold a conversation, and for some reason

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<v Speaker 3>we paid him to speak for forty minutes or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it was. Again, this proposition Prop One twenty two in

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<v Speaker 3>Colorado is similar to the one that was passed in

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<v Speaker 3>Oregon a few years ago, but Colorado's program sets up.

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<v Speaker 2>These treatment centers.

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<v Speaker 3>As of right now, the state has received applications for

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<v Speaker 3>at least fifteen healing center, licenses nine cultivation four more

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<v Speaker 2>Man, you got.

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Leary right before he died. Yeah, died in ninety six.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you got him three years before he died. Way

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<v Speaker 3>to go Chico. Trust me, that was the weirdest. That

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<v Speaker 3>was one of the weirdest events that we ever did

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<v Speaker 3>because we my roommate and I were both on the

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<v Speaker 3>for what they associated students. Ah, so it's the student government.

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<v Speaker 3>Lee to come in. It was kind of a cool event.

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<v Speaker 3>I got to meet people that you didn't you know,

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<v Speaker 3>high profile people. In this case, we met Timothy Leary

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<v Speaker 3>and we were he had a helper, like, he had

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<v Speaker 3>an assistant that was with him, but we're the ones

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<v Speaker 3>that were kind of escorting him around and people would

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<v Speaker 3>walk up to him and offer to smoke pot with him,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was just these and we'd have to go

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<v Speaker 3>hay Man like, but that'd be a great story. I

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<v Speaker 3>smoke weed with Timothy Larry, which is why they did it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at a picture of him from nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>nine and there's no there behind those eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, anyway, in this case, mushrooms themselves are not expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going to make this whole thing expensive is the

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<v Speaker 3>fees that go into setting up the practice facilitators. Who

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<v Speaker 3>facilitators those who would be helping you through your psilocybin trip, right,

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<v Speaker 3>they sit next to you and make sure you don't vomit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The trustworthy individual Not only.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they have to have they should have experience in

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<v Speaker 3>mental health training and emergencies. They need screening, informed consent,

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<v Speaker 3>post session monitoring, some first aid, et cetera. They are

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<v Speaker 3>bucks for the training that all, I'll sit.

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<v Speaker 2>Next to you while you're high on mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what a racket that allows them to get the

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<v Speaker 3>necessary consultation hours. They're gonna have to pay nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>What a racket, turning drugs into this organized freaking racket machine.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, mushrooms, for my recollection, were some of the

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<v Speaker 1>cheapest things to get your hands on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it is, like they said, it's it's cheap to do.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean back when in the early nineties, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't imagine what the quality control was. Like You're buying

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<v Speaker 3>mushrooms off a guy who thinks he's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It right, I have no idea. I mean that was

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I only did them once and and I just remember

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<v Speaker 1>people at school would do them, but they would always

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<v Speaker 1>put them in like a hamburger or something because supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to the awful. And we didn't have any money at

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<v Speaker 1>this concert we were at, but we had the mushrooms

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<v Speaker 1>and we all ate them with just we had one

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of water to share between like four of us,

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<v Speaker 1>just like a twelve ounds a bottle of water. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember like choking those mushrooms down with just water. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the worst taste ever and a stupid, stupid high.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was awful.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just stupid and a stupid thing to do

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<v Speaker 1>in at a concert with like a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 1>and they're in your space in Golden Gate.

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<v Speaker 2>Park and concert. Ben Harper was a different time. Kids

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<v Speaker 2>don't do Kids who was stupid, like what a wasted

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<v Speaker 2>day just running around in the grass. I saw this

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<v Speaker 2>article the other day and it intrigued me.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the first stories I covered as a reporter

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<v Speaker 3>was the lead up to what was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>the trial of Ted Kazinski, the unibomber. And one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that one of the things that that I

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<v Speaker 3>did was read his his big manifesto that was sent out.

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<v Speaker 3>Originally it was done an anonymously, unanimously moron anonymously. Remember

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<v Speaker 3>they published it and they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to That's why you said unanimous. That's what I so.

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<v Speaker 3>But there are people who are looking at this now

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<v Speaker 3>and saying to themselves, yeah, he's a horrible guy, murderer,

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<v Speaker 3>but he.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a point.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the things you was saying, you know, were

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<v Speaker 1>John and Ken in the manifesto.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was the different. That was different, guy, Gary.

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<v Speaker 1>How many manifestos do you think John and Ken were in?

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just the one.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say a good thirty to forty percent of

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<v Speaker 3>manifestos that are written include the names John and Kenn.

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<v Speaker 2>We will continue in a moment.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>The Paper Trail.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a new newspaper, an in house newspaper written

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<v Speaker 1>and written and edited by incarcerated people, the first effort

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<v Speaker 1>of its kind at a prison in the US. Women's

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<v Speaker 1>prison in the US will tell you the story coming

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<v Speaker 1>up in True Crime Tuesday on the twelve o'clock hour.

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<v Speaker 2>This story is.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit weird because some people will automatically jump

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<v Speaker 3>to conclusions about Ted Kaczinski, the unibomber. How we feel

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<v Speaker 3>about him, I'm just telling you. In the New York

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<v Speaker 3>Times they wrote an article called the post part the

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<v Speaker 3>strange postpartisan popularity of the Unibomber and.

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<v Speaker 2>The basics of it.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're under the age of say thirty, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>remember this guy. Ted Kaczinski, before anybody knew who he was,

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<v Speaker 3>wrote this manifesto called Industrial Society and its Future, and

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<v Speaker 3>he sent it to the New York Times and the

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<v Speaker 3>Washington Post. And at the time there was somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>was sending mail bombs to people, most of them here

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<v Speaker 3>in California, and the writer of this manifesto sent it

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<v Speaker 3>to those two major newspapers and asked them to print it,

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<v Speaker 3>and if they printed it, he would stop killing people.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he killed three and then eventually three twenty three,

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<v Speaker 3>mark twenty three. It was from nineteen seventy eight to

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety five. This was for people he believed to

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<v Speaker 3>be advancing modern technology. He was kind of a live

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<v Speaker 3>off the land guy interested in nature.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The very first sentence of Industrial Society and its Future says,

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<v Speaker 3>the Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster

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<v Speaker 3>for the human race. A guy named James Fitzgerald is

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<v Speaker 3>a retired FBI agent, found himself rereading this manifesto that

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<v Speaker 3>was written by Ted Kazinsky back when he was a

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<v Speaker 3>UC math professor, and right after Kazinsky sent this typewritten

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<v Speaker 3>manuscript to the Times into the Washington Post, he demanded

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<v Speaker 3>that it was published. Like I said, and the original

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<v Speaker 3>copy that this now retired FBI agent has is dog geared,

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<v Speaker 3>It's marked up with color coded annotations.

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<v Speaker 2>He's trying.

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<v Speaker 3>He was one of the guys trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>who this was based simply on his writing style and

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<v Speaker 3>to this day, retired agent Fitzgerald says he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>any sympathy for Ted Kazinski. But and that's the gigantic

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<v Speaker 3>butt he goes. I really don't disagree with some of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that he says.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked repeatedly how crazy and remarkably brilliant go hand

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<v Speaker 1>in hand. It's a very thin line between brilliant and crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes you go back and forth. And there's several

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<v Speaker 1>examples through time of people like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes, just like Christopher.

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<v Speaker 1>Dorner had a point when he talked about John and

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<v Speaker 1>Ken being right about a lot of stuff, crazy people

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<v Speaker 1>do make good salient points from time to time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, listen to this, Fitzgerald. This at THEIYE agent remembered

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<v Speaker 3>and then reconsidered, especially during the COVID vaccine mandate push.

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<v Speaker 3>This ATBI agent was reluctant. Ted Kazinski wrote, quote, Thus

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<v Speaker 3>science marches on blindly without regard to the real welfare

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<v Speaker 3>of the human race or to any other standard, obedient

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<v Speaker 3>only to the psychological needs of the science tests and

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<v Speaker 3>of the government officials and cooperation corporation executives who provide

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<v Speaker 3>the funds for research. The agent says, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>old Ted might have been onto something there. They refer

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<v Speaker 3>to this experience as being ted pilled, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 3>red pilled. Ted pilled means that you read through all

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<v Speaker 3>of this and think to yourself, Yeah, maybe the industrial

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<v Speaker 3>revolution has made life unfulfilling. Maybe it has led to

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<v Speaker 3>widespread psychological suffering. Maybe it has inflicted severe damage on

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<v Speaker 3>the natural world, And you think yourself, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna throw this in there, take with it what

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<v Speaker 1>you will leave. A penny, take a penny. But prior

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<v Speaker 1>to all this, in the late sixties, Ted Kaczynski.

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<v Speaker 3>Took massive amounts what go on, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 3>probably LSD and likely mushrooms or a sweet combination thereof.

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<v Speaker 1>He went through several phases of undergoing a gender transition

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<v Speaker 1>in the late sixties. What he had numerous fantasies about

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<v Speaker 1>being female, went to a psychiatrist, was going to have

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<v Speaker 1>the transition, went to the point of having the surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>left when he was in the waiting room.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I ever knew that. If I did,

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<v Speaker 3>I have completely blocked it out. I had also completely

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<v Speaker 3>forgotten that Ted Kaczinski hanged himself in his cell two

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<v Speaker 3>years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>When you said that off the air, did we know

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<v Speaker 1>that he killed himself? And I was like, that checks out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking he killed himself like in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five.

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<v Speaker 2>This was like a year ago, two years ago, March

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty three. Why would we have.

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<v Speaker 1>Done that on the show or are we gone like

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<v Speaker 1>we would have done a deep dive on him?

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<v Speaker 2>Right there was a week. No, that would have been

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<v Speaker 2>a different year.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why that wasn't a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>We would have done something. Yeah, huh.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, that was one of the first trial that I

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to cover as a reporter, was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be his trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, all right, coming up next it is you've made

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<v Speaker 1>it this long and now you're going to be rewarded

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<v Speaker 1>with Deborah Marks twelve o'clock news. Yeah, bring it, bring it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then our massive twelve o'clock hour. It's all coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next. Something to be excited about right here on

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<v Speaker 1>Gary and Shannon.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.

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<v Speaker 3>You can always hear us live on KFI AM six

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