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Speaker 2: The shrooms, right, the shrooms? What about them? I threw
Speaker 2: them out? Oh the story got it? I know, shut,
Speaker 2: you don't actually have magic mushrooms.
Speaker 3: One of the shows that I've been watching is Clarkson's Farm.
Speaker 3: It's Jeremy Clarkson. He guys mushrooms on his farm and
Speaker 3: he had so many mushrooms that he was selling them
Speaker 3: to different bars and pubs and stuff like that. And
Speaker 3: he was making lunches for the crew, the film crew,
Speaker 3: and it was mushrooms on toast, and it sounded awful.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't like mushrooms, I think if you do,
Speaker 1: that probably sounds good. Who likes mushrooms? Like everybody like, who, Debra,
Speaker 1: do you like mushrooms?
Speaker 2: I do like mushrooms. I'm very picky about the kind
Speaker 2: of mushrooms that I like, though. Yeah, there's there's some
Speaker 2: that I that I do enjoy. I like porcini. Porcini.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I chop them up because my husband loves mushrooms,
Speaker 1: So if I chop them up real thin, like I
Speaker 1: put them in lasagna and stuff. But I also hide
Speaker 1: zucchini in there as well. But like if I if I,
Speaker 1: if I really mince them, I don't mind them.
Speaker 2: What about on a pizza and pasta pizza things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like there's something I'm a verse too
Speaker 1: when I see the mushroom or the shape of the mushroom,
Speaker 1: like a slice of a mushroom.
Speaker 2: Well, big thick mushroom turns me off. Yeah, it's time
Speaker 2: for small flatch politician, which means I'm a cheat and
Speaker 2: a liar. And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing
Speaker 2: their lollipops.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
Speaker 4: are dumb.
Speaker 2: The other side never quits, so.
Speaker 3: What I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: So that is how you drain the swat.
Speaker 2: I can imagine what can be and be unburden. You know,
Speaker 2: NERVs have always been gone.
Speaker 3: A political blunder is what a politician actually tells the.
Speaker 2: Truth whether people voted for you with Masked watch, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I will say it happens most days.
Speaker 1: There's one moment of this show where I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: why I woke up this morning, Like that is what
Speaker 1: was worth getting out of bed for, and that moment
Speaker 1: just happened.
Speaker 2: You got to come back.
Speaker 1: A limited ceasefire deal is being finalized between Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 1: This is according to the White House. The two countries
Speaker 1: have been holed up in Saudi Arabia for about a week.
Speaker 1: They've agreed to stop fighting in the Black Sea. They'll
Speaker 1: work to agree to halt any strikes on energy infrastructure.
Speaker 1: There have been three days of recent negotiations there as
Speaker 1: Ukrainian and Russian delegations met with our mediators US mediators separately.
Speaker 1: Ukrainian presidents Lensky says a ceasefire in the Black Sea
Speaker 1: is already in effect.
Speaker 3: M and Trump stood by his national security advisor today.
Speaker 3: President Trump stood by his national security advisor, Mike Walls.
Speaker 3: Mike Walls was the one who set up this chat
Speaker 3: group in the Signal app that included the Atlantic magazine's
Speaker 3: editor in chief. It was intended to be a private,
Speaker 3: very high level, cabinet level chat on the messaging app Signal,
Speaker 3: and apparently some military plans were being discussed. Jeffrey Goldberg,
Speaker 3: the editor, broke the story, talked about it yesterday in
Speaker 3: a very lengthy article that he thought Originally it was
Speaker 3: a trick.
Speaker 2: He thought it wasn't real, and when he.
Speaker 3: Realized it was real, he realized he had a treasure
Speaker 3: trove of information that he wasn't supposed to be privy to.
Speaker 1: And again I think about how fun that thought exercise
Speaker 1: is is does he play his hand now, which he did,
Speaker 1: or does he use that information for leverage with this
Speaker 1: administration where I don't think you would get anywhere this
Speaker 1: particular administration. So I think it was smart for Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Goldberg to play his hand and run with this while
Speaker 1: he had it.
Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth, I will say the Secretary of Defense said
Speaker 3: there were no war plans that were discussed. Caroline Levitt,
Speaker 3: the White House Press Secretary, said there was no classified
Speaker 3: material it was ever sent to the thread.
Speaker 2: But that goes again.
Speaker 1: Sorry, but Caroline Levitt, like she can say the sky
Speaker 1: is blue, and I'm going to need four other people
Speaker 1: to tell me the sky is blue, her word has
Speaker 1: zero weight with me.
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Jeffrey Goldberg, again the writer, the editor in chief.
Speaker 3: He explained what he saw without getting into too many
Speaker 3: specifics that were very detailed, according to him, about what
Speaker 3: the plan was, to the point when to the point
Speaker 3: where I should say he knew down to the minute
Speaker 3: when these attacks were supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean they were clearly planning, but it
Speaker 1: was a mistake.
Speaker 2: They've said it was a mistake.
Speaker 1: The FBI today has announced is looking to crack down
Speaker 1: on recent attacks against Tesla. They're going to create a
Speaker 1: new task force. The FBI is urging the public to
Speaker 1: exercise vigilance look out for suspicious activity where several incidents
Speaker 1: around the country have been involving Tesla's charging stations, dealerships
Speaker 1: and things like that ever since Trump began working with
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. But the US Attorney General, Pam Bondi is
Speaker 1: called the attacks domestic terrorism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've said that they're going to set up task force.
Speaker 2: It must be nice.
Speaker 1: What about all the stolen catalytic converters. There should be
Speaker 1: a task force about that, shouldn't there.
Speaker 3: Well, remember, according to the La City Council, it was
Speaker 3: Toyota's fault for putting the catalytic converter in a place
Speaker 3: where it was easy to steal. We mentioned yesterday that
Speaker 3: Usha Vance, the second Lady of the United States, is
Speaker 3: going to be along with Mike Waltz, assuming he's still
Speaker 3: on the travel docket, headed to Greenland later this week,
Speaker 3: and Jative Fredericson, the Danish Prime minister, says the United
Speaker 3: States has been putting unacceptable pressure on Greenland before this visit.
Speaker 3: They didn't ask for, by the way, and in fact
Speaker 3: Metta Fredericson, Prime Minister has vowed that she will be
Speaker 3: resisting all of this pressure. She said, I have to
Speaker 3: say it is unacceptable being placed on Greenland and Denmark
Speaker 3: in the situation, and it is pressure that we will resist.
Speaker 3: She I dismissed the idea of the trip being a
Speaker 3: private visit, saying you cannot make a private visit with
Speaker 3: official representatives from another country. Of course, this is all
Speaker 3: going to President Trump's ongoing discussion about taking over Greenland
Speaker 3: somehow because of its geo graphic importance to US.
Speaker 1: Chris Little texted me, I'm never eating your lasagna portrait news.
Speaker 1: Are we ready for some Trump portrait news? Where we
Speaker 1: last found the portrait in the Colorado State House is
Speaker 1: where Trump saw and did not like it.
Speaker 2: I don't like Puffy. It no longer hangs there.
Speaker 1: The portrait was removed at the request of Republican leaders
Speaker 1: in the legislature after the President claimed it was purposefully distorted.
Speaker 1: It had been hanging there since twenty nineteen. Colorado Republicans
Speaker 1: raised more than ten thousand dollars to commission the oil painting.
Speaker 2: I've never commissioned a painting before.
Speaker 3: But in the event that I did, and I dropped
Speaker 3: ten grand on it, wouldn't I have final say about
Speaker 3: whether or not it's a good painting.
Speaker 1: Well, the Republicans in Colorado thought it was fine, because
Speaker 1: they were the ones.
Speaker 2: Who put this in thout. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: They thought it was fine. He just didn't like it.
Speaker 1: You've seen pictures of yourself that people thought were fine
Speaker 1: that you probably didn't like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one that you always want to post about
Speaker 2: me in the mess shirt. I don't want to always
Speaker 2: post that. Are you kidding? Do you think I want
Speaker 2: to see that again? Ever?
Speaker 1: No, I do not, I feel or whatever the one
Speaker 1: that I post never mind. The Kremlin has confirmed that
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin has gifted to Trump a portrait he commissioned
Speaker 1: of Trump.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much that.
Speaker 1: Was, but a spokesperson for Putin says that he gave
Speaker 1: the pen the painting to Trump's Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff
Speaker 1: earlier this month. The gift was first mentioned last week
Speaker 1: in an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, former
Speaker 1: I should say he told, uh, Tucker Carlson Witcoff did that.
Speaker 1: Trump was clearly touched by the portrait. He's not the
Speaker 1: first setting the sitting president to receive a gift from Putin.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Putin gave Joe Biden a writing
Speaker 1: box and a pen. He sent Barack Obama porcelain plates
Speaker 1: and espresso cups in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Well, look at that.
Speaker 3: How extensive do you think they tear apart a writing
Speaker 3: box to see if it's bugged or it's Somehow.
Speaker 2: Would that be too naive? Maybe that's too many movies.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's like a movie from one hundred
Speaker 2: years ago. That's very possible.
Speaker 1: They don't need little wooden boxes to bug our presidents
Speaker 1: with anyone.
Speaker 3: April twenty first is the day after ep the day
Speaker 3: after Easter. It's the traditional day of the White House
Speaker 3: Easter egg roll, and this year, according to The New
Speaker 3: York Times, the White House is allowing companies to have
Speaker 3: corporate sponsorship now ships for the White House egg role.
Speaker 1: I saw this this morning, and there'll be people like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, oh the horror putting a sponsorship on
Speaker 1: something as.
Speaker 2: Sacred as the egg roll.
Speaker 1: Where is all the decorum and just the sense of
Speaker 1: doing something for tradition. Washington has been bought and sold
Speaker 1: for since its inception.
Speaker 2: There it is filled with whores. It is a swamp
Speaker 2: filled with whoes.
Speaker 1: And to think that the egg roll isn't sponsored by X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z as being naive.
Speaker 3: Well, and isn't it hasn't It been traditionally sponsored by
Speaker 3: the American egg Board forever. Now you're going to get
Speaker 3: some oil company, in a tobacco company or whatever.
Speaker 1: Why are we thing is, why are we hiding the
Speaker 1: whoring that we know exists right?
Speaker 3: Act, act like it doesn't happen, But when it's out
Speaker 3: in the open, come on all right, tax revenues? Are
Speaker 3: you going to pay your taxes this year? The answer
Speaker 3: should be yes, but so many people are like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going to wait and see what happens. That's a
Speaker 3: good way to get yourself in trouble. We'll talk about
Speaker 3: that we come back.
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Speaker 1: I think Conway will start a segment and then like
Speaker 1: go run errands and then.
Speaker 2: Come back.
Speaker 1: And pick it right back up. It's brilliant, really freaking brilliant.
Speaker 1: The beauty of living in burbank. Right, you start the segment,
Speaker 1: you go home, left, the water gets or the long
Speaker 1: gets watered. Sure, the laundry gets done. See were doing
Speaker 1: laundry right.
Speaker 3: Gerard Deppardieu is on trial right now for what he
Speaker 3: sitting slumped in a special orthopedic stool in a Paris
Speaker 3: courtroom today, faces too counts of sexual assault. If convicted,
Speaker 3: faces up to five years in prison find of eighty
Speaker 3: one thousand.
Speaker 1: They all kind of blend together, don't they. I don't
Speaker 1: remember what his particular offense was.
Speaker 3: His was that he was rubbing up against female Parisians
Speaker 3: on the metro and you go to trial for that.
Speaker 2: If you're Gerard depart, do you wow that's it? Huh?
Speaker 3: I guess yeah. Wildfires continue back east to dry conditions.
Speaker 3: Wind trees down by a Hurricane Helene are fueling these
Speaker 3: wildfires in North and South Carolina, so evacuation orders are
Speaker 3: in effect today. In some parts of the states while
Speaker 3: they continue to monitor the fires, three of them burning
Speaker 3: in rural North Caro in a rural North Carolina county
Speaker 3: about eighty miles west of Charlotte.
Speaker 1: N see Double a men's basketball tournament seeing its highest
Speaker 1: viewership in decades. Games through the second round are averaging
Speaker 1: nine point four million viewers. That makes this year's tournament
Speaker 1: the most watched in thirty two years. Why, I wonder why?
Speaker 3: Because you can? I mean, there's so many ways that
Speaker 3: you can watch it now. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, it used to be if you were at work,
Speaker 3: you couldn't watch it. Now everybody's got a phone or
Speaker 3: a computer that they could watch it, and they're both.
Speaker 1: Able to compile all of that in the data right away.
Speaker 1: Viewership peaked Sunday with an average what.
Speaker 2: Are you saying? I have no idea? Do you your
Speaker 2: Jeopardy question? Oh, I'd love it. I'd love it. It
Speaker 2: would be a great day for that.
Speaker 1: Jesus ends with oh, for six hundred dollars. Food and
Speaker 1: Wine magazine says, not distress about constantly stirring this Italian
Speaker 1: rice dish every thirty seconds should be okay orzo.
Speaker 2: No, but you're kind.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like where your head at Risotto?
Speaker 2: You know it tastes good in Risotta's mushroom cheese and cheese. Yeah, cheese,
Speaker 2: Risotto and cheese.
Speaker 1: I was talking about NCAA viewership, right, But yeah? And
Speaker 1: then also, what would you say is summer's most anticipated
Speaker 1: release for a movie?
Speaker 2: Can you think of any of them? Saw eleven? Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that coming out? I actually think they pulled it
Speaker 2: from the release schedule they were working on it. Jurassic
Speaker 2: World's rebirth?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Did we just have a rebirth of Jurassic World? We
Speaker 2: always do.
Speaker 1: Those dinosaurs keep getting reborn. They live life on the edge,
Speaker 1: and they got to keep dipping their head in the water.
Speaker 1: Put on that white shirt. The Fantastic Four, First Steps
Speaker 1: of Mission Impossible, The Final Reckoning, Superman, Thunder, and from
Speaker 1: the World of John Wick. Ballerina made up the rest
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Top five most interested in that Mission Impossible thing.
Speaker 1: And talk to me about John I know I should.
Speaker 1: You've told me I should watch the John Wick movies.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have.
Speaker 3: Well, you should in the same way that that Moe
Speaker 3: wants you to watch Escape from New York. Ah just
Speaker 3: so you know what you're talking about. I don't think
Speaker 3: you're gonna like it. Ah, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be your lane.
Speaker 1: Okay, But what's he doing with a ballerina that it's
Speaker 1: not even worth The explanation is she's a character that
Speaker 1: exists in that world. It's one of those things where
Speaker 1: there's a world or a universe or a multiverse or something.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't it's not science fiction like that. It's not
Speaker 3: like fantasy world. But yes, there, it's got its own universe.
Speaker 3: I mean not that it's not your universe. I mean
Speaker 3: there's people in the story that could break off and
Speaker 3: do their own stories and this.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, and it's Keanu Reeves. That's
Speaker 2: exactly right. That is John Wick.
Speaker 3: I don't think, all right, we'll get into our mushroom
Speaker 3: story when we come back. Oh, I just want to say.
Speaker 3: Treasury Department in the IRS, they predict a decrease of
Speaker 3: about ten percent fewer tax receipts by the April fifteenth
Speaker 3: deadline compared to last week, and a lot of them
Speaker 3: have to a lot of those people have said that
Speaker 3: they will not be filing taxes because they want to
Speaker 3: wait and see what happens with Doge. Like somehow Doze
Speaker 3: is going to prevent the irs from finding you.
Speaker 2: That's not how it's going to work. Gary and Shannon
Speaker 2: will continued.
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Speaker 3: Gary and Shannon kfi AM six forty five, everywhere in
Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app gotten mushrooms for this just to do
Speaker 3: this segment. You mean, yes, National Weather Services today is
Speaker 3: not going to be quite as warm as it was yesterday.
Speaker 3: There were a handful of records that were set. Woodland
Speaker 3: Hills was ninety five that broke the daily record by
Speaker 3: six degrees, Palmdale tied to record at eighty forty yesterday,
Speaker 3: and Passer Robles at eighty six bested its own record
Speaker 3: by one degree.
Speaker 1: This trip to Greenland is getting a little dice heer,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: It was never going to be very great.
Speaker 1: A number of delegations, delegates from the Trump administration going
Speaker 1: over to Greenland Thursday to Saturday, including White House National
Speaker 1: Security Advisor Mike Waltz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if if he's still on the travel plans, They said, yeah,
Speaker 2: They said it was a private visit. But the head of.
Speaker 1: Denmark. The Danish Prime Minister says, no, there's no way
Speaker 1: that this is a private visit. He said, you cannot
Speaker 1: make a private visit with official representatives from another country.
Speaker 1: He went on to say, I have to say it
Speaker 1: is unacceptable pressure being placed on Greenland and Denmark in
Speaker 1: this situation, and it is pressure that we will resist.
Speaker 1: Poor asha USh Advance. USh Advance is going to be
Speaker 1: take all the heat for this.
Speaker 3: Mentioned the NCAA tournament and how it's getting pretty crazy
Speaker 3: ratings this year. The women's side was rocked. I think
Speaker 3: you could say USC's Juju Watkins out sophomore scoring guard.
Speaker 3: They said that she is one of those transformative players,
Speaker 3: if not just for the school, maybe for the entire game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: season ending injury last night. They probably tore she probably
Speaker 3: tore her ACL in her right leg. But USC, and
Speaker 3: that was in the first quarter. They were able to
Speaker 3: come back. USC overcame the injury. They won ninety six
Speaker 3: to fifty nine last night. They will face the number
Speaker 3: five seed Kansas State Kansas State Jayhawks.
Speaker 1: Yeah jay howks Kansas not Kansas State. Kansas State is
Speaker 1: something different.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm looking for, is that becificity Kansas state.
Speaker 2: Gosh, there's people scream at the radio right now, and
Speaker 2: I'll find it here in just a second.
Speaker 3: Wildcats, wildcats, of course, everybody's a wildcat.
Speaker 2: That should just be our first go to the guests.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Colorado has always led the nation when
Speaker 1: it comes to drugs. Well not really, but you know
Speaker 1: what the pod and the legalizing of the pod and
Speaker 1: the pot everywhere. Well now they're doing that with mushrooms.
Speaker 1: State regulated psychedelic mushrooms have arrived in Colorado nearly two
Speaker 1: years after Oregon began offering them.
Speaker 2: These mushrooms are a Schedule one drug.
Speaker 1: They are a legal under federal law except for clinical research.
Speaker 1: William Smith is an assistant professor of psychiatry at the
Speaker 1: University of North Carolina. He says, in Oregon and Colorado,
Speaker 1: we're going to learn a lot about administration of psychedelics
Speaker 1: outside of clinical, religious, and underground settings. Because they're the
Speaker 1: first to try this in the country. We know what
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: William, Well, this isn't a new thing.
Speaker 3: There have been the specifically about what psilocybin does and
Speaker 3: the potential to treat people with depression, with anxiety, with
Speaker 3: PTSD and things like that especially those that are unresponsive
Speaker 3: to other treatments, other therapies. RFK Junior had said that
Speaker 3: he his mind is open to the idea of psychedelics
Speaker 3: when it comes to treatment, but they don't come without
Speaker 3: side effects. That's the biggest issue, they said, headache, nausea.
Speaker 3: Usually those go away within a couple of days, but
Speaker 3: there are extended difficulties from using psychedelics that can last
Speaker 3: weeks or months or years. I met Timothy Leary one
Speaker 3: time when he came to speak at Chico State, and
Speaker 3: it was clear, very clear that decades of psychedelics will
Speaker 3: completely destroy your brain completely. And I know that he
Speaker 3: was held up as one of the guys. It's like
Speaker 3: the forefront of psychedelics and he's a groundbreaking.
Speaker 2: You do that, LSD. He was gone, he was gone.
Speaker 3: He could not hold a conversation, and for some reason
Speaker 3: we paid him to speak for forty minutes or whatever
Speaker 3: it was. Again, this proposition Prop One twenty two in
Speaker 3: Colorado is similar to the one that was passed in
Speaker 3: Oregon a few years ago, but Colorado's program sets up.
Speaker 2: These treatment centers.
Speaker 3: As of right now, the state has received applications for
Speaker 3: at least fifteen healing center, licenses nine cultivation four more
Speaker 3: manufacturer one for a testing facility.
Speaker 2: Man, you got.
Speaker 1: Timothy Leary right before he died. Yeah, died in ninety six.
Speaker 1: You must have been that must have been early nineties.
Speaker 2: Probably ninety three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got him three years before he died. Way
Speaker 3: to go Chico. Trust me, that was the weirdest. That
Speaker 3: was one of the weirdest events that we ever did
Speaker 3: because we my roommate and I were both on the
Speaker 3: programming board or whatever they called it at the time
Speaker 3: for what they associated students. Ah, so it's the student government.
Speaker 3: We were the programming end of it. So we would
Speaker 3: bring in bands and speakers and things like that, and
Speaker 3: on the off chance that we got somebody like Spike
Speaker 3: Lee to come in. It was kind of a cool event.
Speaker 3: I got to meet people that you didn't you know,
Speaker 3: high profile people. In this case, we met Timothy Leary
Speaker 3: and we were he had a helper, like, he had
Speaker 3: an assistant that was with him, but we're the ones
Speaker 3: that were kind of escorting him around and people would
Speaker 3: walk up to him and offer to smoke pot with him,
Speaker 3: and it was just these and we'd have to go
Speaker 3: hay Man like, but that'd be a great story. I
Speaker 3: smoke weed with Timothy Larry, which is why they did it.
Speaker 3: I mean they knew that his end was near as well.
Speaker 3: I mean he was a frail old man.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture of him from nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: nine and there's no there behind those eyes.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, in this case, mushrooms themselves are not expensive.
Speaker 3: What's going to make this whole thing expensive is the
Speaker 3: fees that go into setting up the practice facilitators. Who
Speaker 3: facilitators those who would be helping you through your psilocybin trip, right,
Speaker 3: they sit next to you and make sure you don't vomit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The trustworthy individual Not only.
Speaker 3: Do they have to have they should have experience in
Speaker 3: mental health training and emergencies. They need screening, informed consent,
Speaker 3: post session monitoring, some first aid, et cetera. They are
Speaker 3: going to have to pay about four hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: bucks for the training that all, I'll sit.
Speaker 2: Next to you while you're high on mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a racket that allows them to get the
Speaker 3: necessary consultation hours. They're gonna have to pay nine hundred
Speaker 3: bucks a year basically for the license the healing center
Speaker 3: has to pay somewhere between three and six thousand dollars
Speaker 3: for the license in Colorado.
Speaker 1: What a racket, turning drugs into this organized freaking racket machine.
Speaker 1: I mean, mushrooms, for my recollection, were some of the
Speaker 1: cheapest things to get your hands on.
Speaker 2: Well it is, like they said, it's it's cheap to do.
Speaker 3: But I mean back when in the early nineties, I
Speaker 3: can't imagine what the quality control was. Like You're buying
Speaker 3: mushrooms off a guy who thinks he's doing.
Speaker 2: It right, I have no idea. I mean that was
Speaker 2: back in the day.
Speaker 1: I only did them once and and I just remember
Speaker 1: people at school would do them, but they would always
Speaker 1: put them in like a hamburger or something because supposed
Speaker 1: to the awful. And we didn't have any money at
Speaker 1: this concert we were at, but we had the mushrooms
Speaker 1: and we all ate them with just we had one
Speaker 1: bottle of water to share between like four of us,
Speaker 1: just like a twelve ounds a bottle of water. I
Speaker 1: remember like choking those mushrooms down with just water. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's the worst taste ever and a stupid, stupid high.
Speaker 2: Like it was awful.
Speaker 1: It was just stupid and a stupid thing to do
Speaker 1: in at a concert with like a bunch of people
Speaker 1: and they're in your space in Golden Gate.
Speaker 2: Park and concert. Ben Harper was a different time. Kids
Speaker 2: don't do Kids who was stupid, like what a wasted
Speaker 2: day just running around in the grass. I saw this
Speaker 2: article the other day and it intrigued me.
Speaker 3: One of the first stories I covered as a reporter
Speaker 3: was the lead up to what was going to be
Speaker 3: the trial of Ted Kazinski, the unibomber. And one of
Speaker 3: the things that one of the things that that I
Speaker 3: did was read his his big manifesto that was sent out.
Speaker 3: Originally it was done an anonymously, unanimously moron anonymously. Remember
Speaker 3: they published it and they're.
Speaker 2: Trying to That's why you said unanimous. That's what I so.
Speaker 3: But there are people who are looking at this now
Speaker 3: and saying to themselves, yeah, he's a horrible guy, murderer,
Speaker 3: but he.
Speaker 2: Had a point.
Speaker 1: Some of the things you was saying, you know, were
Speaker 1: John and Ken in the manifesto.
Speaker 2: No, that was the different. That was different, guy, Gary.
Speaker 1: How many manifestos do you think John and Ken were in?
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the one.
Speaker 3: I would say a good thirty to forty percent of
Speaker 3: manifestos that are written include the names John and Kenn.
Speaker 2: We will continue in a moment.
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Speaker 2: This story is.
Speaker 3: A little bit weird because some people will automatically jump
Speaker 3: to conclusions about Ted Kaczinski, the unibomber. How we feel
Speaker 3: about him, I'm just telling you. In the New York
Speaker 3: Times they wrote an article called the post part the
Speaker 3: strange postpartisan popularity of the Unibomber and.
Speaker 2: The basics of it.
Speaker 3: If you're under the age of say thirty, you don't
Speaker 3: remember this guy. Ted Kaczinski, before anybody knew who he was,
Speaker 3: wrote this manifesto called Industrial Society and its Future, and
Speaker 3: he sent it to the New York Times and the
Speaker 3: Washington Post. And at the time there was somebody who
Speaker 3: was sending mail bombs to people, most of them here
Speaker 3: in California, and the writer of this manifesto sent it
Speaker 3: to those two major newspapers and asked them to print it,
Speaker 3: and if they printed it, he would stop killing people.
Speaker 3: I think he killed three and then eventually three twenty three,
Speaker 3: mark twenty three. It was from nineteen seventy eight to
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five. This was for people he believed to
Speaker 3: be advancing modern technology. He was kind of a live
Speaker 3: off the land guy interested in nature.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The very first sentence of Industrial Society and its Future says,
Speaker 3: the Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster
Speaker 3: for the human race. A guy named James Fitzgerald is
Speaker 3: a retired FBI agent, found himself rereading this manifesto that
Speaker 3: was written by Ted Kazinsky back when he was a
Speaker 3: UC math professor, and right after Kazinsky sent this typewritten
Speaker 3: manuscript to the Times into the Washington Post, he demanded
Speaker 3: that it was published. Like I said, and the original
Speaker 3: copy that this now retired FBI agent has is dog geared,
Speaker 3: It's marked up with color coded annotations.
Speaker 2: He's trying.
Speaker 3: He was one of the guys trying to figure out
Speaker 3: who this was based simply on his writing style and
Speaker 3: to this day, retired agent Fitzgerald says he doesn't have
Speaker 3: any sympathy for Ted Kazinski. But and that's the gigantic
Speaker 3: butt he goes. I really don't disagree with some of
Speaker 3: the things that he says.
Speaker 1: We've talked repeatedly how crazy and remarkably brilliant go hand
Speaker 1: in hand. It's a very thin line between brilliant and crazy,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you go back and forth. And there's several
Speaker 1: examples through time of people like that.
Speaker 2: And sometimes, just like Christopher.
Speaker 1: Dorner had a point when he talked about John and
Speaker 1: Ken being right about a lot of stuff, crazy people
Speaker 1: do make good salient points from time to time.
Speaker 3: Well, listen to this, Fitzgerald. This at THEIYE agent remembered
Speaker 3: and then reconsidered, especially during the COVID vaccine mandate push.
Speaker 3: This ATBI agent was reluctant. Ted Kazinski wrote, quote, Thus
Speaker 3: science marches on blindly without regard to the real welfare
Speaker 3: of the human race or to any other standard, obedient
Speaker 3: only to the psychological needs of the science tests and
Speaker 3: of the government officials and cooperation corporation executives who provide
Speaker 3: the funds for research. The agent says, you know what,
Speaker 3: old Ted might have been onto something there. They refer
Speaker 3: to this experience as being ted pilled, as opposed to
Speaker 3: red pilled. Ted pilled means that you read through all
Speaker 3: of this and think to yourself, Yeah, maybe the industrial
Speaker 3: revolution has made life unfulfilling. Maybe it has led to
Speaker 3: widespread psychological suffering. Maybe it has inflicted severe damage on
Speaker 3: the natural world, And you think yourself, oh.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this in there, take with it what
Speaker 1: you will leave. A penny, take a penny. But prior
Speaker 1: to all this, in the late sixties, Ted Kaczynski.
Speaker 3: Took massive amounts what go on, I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: probably LSD and likely mushrooms or a sweet combination thereof.
Speaker 1: He went through several phases of undergoing a gender transition
Speaker 1: in the late sixties. What he had numerous fantasies about
Speaker 1: being female, went to a psychiatrist, was going to have
Speaker 1: the transition, went to the point of having the surgery,
Speaker 1: left when he was in the waiting room.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever knew that. If I did,
Speaker 3: I have completely blocked it out. I had also completely
Speaker 3: forgotten that Ted Kaczinski hanged himself in his cell two
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 1: When you said that off the air, did we know
Speaker 1: that he killed himself? And I was like, that checks out.
Speaker 1: I was thinking he killed himself like in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five.
Speaker 2: This was like a year ago, two years ago, March
Speaker 2: of twenty three. Why would we have.
Speaker 1: Done that on the show or are we gone like
Speaker 1: we would have done a deep dive on him?
Speaker 2: Right there was a week. No, that would have been
Speaker 2: a different year.
Speaker 3: I don't know why that wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 2: We would have done something. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 3: Again, that was one of the first trial that I
Speaker 3: was supposed to cover as a reporter, was going to
Speaker 3: be his trial.
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