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Speaker 1: Areas thirty one.
Speaker 2: Do you wish to find a report of any kind
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Speaker 2: OFFI the UFO. Yeah it's murder two nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll just passed over so I got. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was, but it's from at least to
Speaker 1: three thousand feet above us.
Speaker 2: See, I passed right over the top of US.
Speaker 1: Ninety one one.
Speaker 2: You just called up to me before.
Speaker 1: They're after staying the airplanes. He is to God on
Speaker 1: an unidentified object, every liberty or call or calm on
Speaker 1: an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 2: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 2: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
Speaker 2: I would like to be on the show. You can
Speaker 2: email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,
Speaker 2: and welcome to the show wherever you are listening from
Speaker 2: on this planet. I'm Nick Canter and this is the
Speaker 2: UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, we are joined by Tad calling
Speaker 2: from New Zealand and Tad's encounter occurred Midsummer of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine just outside of Stratford upon Avon in the UK,
Speaker 2: while camping with his wife in a cramp field. Tad
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Speaker 2: Now on with the show, Hello Tad, Welcome to the show,
Speaker 2: Thy Nick. Thank you, thank you for coming on today
Speaker 2: and calling from New Zealand.
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to be here, actually invited.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you here now, Tad, do you
Speaker 2: have an encounter to share with us? So would you
Speaker 2: like to start at the very beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1: Sure. It started in nineteen eighty nine and in those
Speaker 1: years the favorite thing from me and my partner now
Speaker 1: my wife, as much as I go touring a little
Speaker 1: two fifty trail bike and a lot of the weekends
Speaker 1: when the weather was good, we used to go around
Speaker 1: the back quarters of Britain. We let's say, in the
Speaker 1: quiet places and maybe chatting to locals in the pub
Speaker 1: and having local ale. And we'd often just truck up
Speaker 1: to a village and ask if anyone did camping. Sometimes
Speaker 1: there were campsites, Sometimes there was people who said, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you can camp here, or quite often there was farmers
Speaker 1: say oh yeah, I've got I've got a field where
Speaker 1: I sometimes let people camp. And that was the best
Speaker 1: because you woke up in the morning and you had
Speaker 1: a whole fields yourself. It was beautiful. You're writing the countryside,
Speaker 1: and then we'd spend the day touring around just taking
Speaker 1: in the sites. And on this particular trip we decided
Speaker 1: to do that kind of thing, but also taking a
Speaker 1: play at the Royal Shakespeare theater in Stratford. So we
Speaker 1: go to a little village outside Stratford and we just
Speaker 1: pull up outside a shop and go in and say
Speaker 1: does anyone do camping? We get pointed to a farm
Speaker 1: and the farmer says, yeah, even get on the back
Speaker 1: of my farm. There's a big field down there. You're welcome.
Speaker 1: And it was a crop field. It's a really big
Speaker 1: field and it had been the crops have been reaped,
Speaker 1: and so we trundle down into that field and in
Speaker 1: the middle there's a cops of trees and a little pond. I. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's set up camp there. And we noticed there's lots
Speaker 1: of stubble strewn around everywhere. So we gather up a
Speaker 1: heap of that and put it under a little dome
Speaker 1: tent and that's going to be comfortable for the night.
Speaker 1: And we do the same when we put a groundsheet
Speaker 1: on it, and it's going to be a comfortable place
Speaker 1: to sit, like a outdoor divi. So that done, we
Speaker 1: decided to go into town and sleep and get tickets
Speaker 1: for the performance. And it was a midsummer's night dream,
Speaker 1: fantastic performance. And later on we're coming back and it's
Speaker 1: dark and we drive through the farm yard and past
Speaker 1: the outbuildings and through the gate and down into the field.
Speaker 1: The slope down towards the pond is and side of
Speaker 1: a cup of tea. So we're sitting there having a
Speaker 1: cup of tea, looking out of the countryside. It's a beautiful,
Speaker 1: fairly warm evening, and it's time for bed, and Sarah's
Speaker 1: gonna tidy up, and she's got at camping, and she
Speaker 1: started just gonna get the bed sorted and tidy up.
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, I'll lie here now and stargazing.
Speaker 1: So I did, and I'm stargazing, enjoying it, feeling very happy.
Speaker 1: It's the start of a holiday, very peaceful, lovely evening.
Speaker 1: And I got the stars and that thing happens where
Speaker 1: your eyes adapt and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: see a lot more stars. And then as you keep
Speaker 1: just staring upwards, you see another layer of stars and
Speaker 1: feel like you've seen further into the into the sky
Speaker 1: at night. But then things started to get strange. You know,
Speaker 1: this sort of experience of being able to see further
Speaker 1: and further took a grip on me. It wasn't me
Speaker 1: doing it or allowing it to happen. As I was,
Speaker 1: you know, just focusing and letting more light come in.
Speaker 1: It was if I was up there in the sky
Speaker 1: and I could see a huge grid of stars and
Speaker 1: then I go through it and then I'd be seeing further.
Speaker 1: And it was more than seeing. It was like I
Speaker 1: was still lying on the on the ground sheet, but
Speaker 1: I was. It was part of my consciousness was up
Speaker 1: in the sky. Who was quite strange, and I just
Speaker 1: I suppose it was something like remote viewing or astral travel.
Speaker 1: It was those things, but that's the only sort of
Speaker 1: frame of reference I can put it in. So anyway,
Speaker 1: one minute I'm right up into deep space, and the
Speaker 1: next I'm back on the on the ground sheet, and
Speaker 1: I get up a little bit wobbly, but no, and
Speaker 1: the worst way, it didn't really shake me that much.
Speaker 1: And I can see Sarah's still just prepairing the tent
Speaker 1: for the night, and I noticed a change in the
Speaker 1: atmosphere and the whole area around us. It's it's as
Speaker 1: if time was going a little bit slower. Everything seems
Speaker 1: to be gravig or more serious. It was a little
Speaker 1: bit like that those few moments in a theater where
Speaker 1: they didn't the lights. Everyone's quiet, and it's a sense
Speaker 1: of anticipation something is about to happen, except I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was about to happen. And even it was
Speaker 1: like there was a things look more different. There's a
Speaker 1: mode on some TVs. I've had those in the mode
Speaker 1: and the colors are a bit richer, and the blacks
Speaker 1: or the blacker they're just known where the contrast there's
Speaker 1: no contrast. And I just don't know where this atmosphere
Speaker 1: is coming from. And then I notice in the cops
Speaker 1: of trees that's near by there seem to be these
Speaker 1: colored lights and it's as if someone strung fairy lights
Speaker 1: in these big trees, and not many of them. But
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a grip on it. Is that
Speaker 1: really there? And I say to Sarah, do you see
Speaker 1: those lights? And she says, yeah, I can see those,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, well, no, I don't, can't be. I
Speaker 1: try to understand it as maybe there's lights in the distance,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some houses or something between, you know, behind
Speaker 1: the trees, and I can't see them, and that they're
Speaker 1: shining through the trees, and then then I realized that no,
Speaker 1: there's no hills or houses over there, and so I'm
Speaker 1: thinking this is a strange effect. It was disconcerting because
Speaker 1: now they're becoming mesmerizing. And then I realize they're actually
Speaker 1: little globes, little balls of light just in and of themselves,
Speaker 1: not shining, and there's a they're very descentillating, and they're
Speaker 1: taking your attention. And they're coming on and off and
Speaker 1: in patterns, and there's a red one and there's a
Speaker 1: white one, and there's aqua blue, and there's something like
Speaker 1: an orange of bird sienna, and they're moving in a
Speaker 1: little circle pattern. And now they're rising into the higher branches.
Speaker 1: And not only that, now time seems to slow down,
Speaker 1: just to beat again. Things are happening more slowly, and
Speaker 1: I'm getting transfixed. And I started to realize that behind
Speaker 1: the lights are with the lights, there's some big there's
Speaker 1: something there, but I can't see it, and it's either
Speaker 1: in the trees or it's behind the trees, and it's
Speaker 1: almost like there's a big, huge black mist and it's
Speaker 1: forming or taking on shape. And looking back then now
Speaker 1: I remember a joke who tells kids, which was how
Speaker 1: do elephants hide in the forest? They climb up the
Speaker 1: cherry trees and paint their toenails red. It's like something
Speaker 1: using these lights to hide. There was something going on,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden I realized there's something there.
Speaker 1: It's just that I'm refusing to see it. And then
Speaker 1: it's like I can see a bit more of it,
Speaker 1: and it's interacting with me. It's almost as if I
Speaker 1: need to countenance it being there so it can manifest,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's delving into my subconscious. It seems
Speaker 1: if it's it's got a shape it definitely wants to be,
Speaker 1: but we've got to negotiate what that shape is, what
Speaker 1: what it needs to be so I will see it
Speaker 1: because I don't want to see it, and I don't
Speaker 1: really don't want it to be there, but it's it's insistent,
Speaker 1: and it keeps getting more and more definite and real,
Speaker 1: until all of a sudden it's taken shape. It's taken
Speaker 1: its manifested. It's there, and for a second I blank
Speaker 1: it out and I'm not taking that in, but then
Speaker 1: it really is. Then now it's above the trees and
Speaker 1: it's a it's a craft, and the little lights that
Speaker 1: were flashing they're now embedded in. It's out a shell
Speaker 1: and they're still doing that flashing thing, which is really mesmerizing.
Speaker 1: So just in awe, not not totally scared of it,
Speaker 1: freaked because this is this is a natural and it's
Speaker 1: about the size of a double decker bus. And I
Speaker 1: could could have thrown a tennis ball and hit it,
Speaker 1: and it's just hover and there, silent, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: good grief, this this is a UFO encounter. It didn't
Speaker 1: Why didn't I realize earlier? But it was so it
Speaker 1: was so paranormal. It was like a big, hot, magical outdoor.
Speaker 1: The it a spectacle show, not like you know, flying
Speaker 1: sources zipping your air listening, had manifested and it was
Speaker 1: changing time, changing space, affecting my consciousness, and it was
Speaker 1: creating a huge, huge atmosphere in the whole area. And
Speaker 1: it's then I kind of thought, oh, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be there. I don't want to be here. This
Speaker 1: this is unnatural, this, this is It was a transgression
Speaker 1: that was at the least it was very cheeky. At
Speaker 1: the worst, it was very opportunistic. And yeah, and there
Speaker 1: and I noticed that in the field beyond our field,
Speaker 1: there's some vehicles coming towards us. They were quick because
Speaker 1: I think there are four wheel drive vehicles. I just
Speaker 1: see like the tops and they're white four by floors
Speaker 1: and they've headlights, and I'm trying to as they're coming nearer.
Speaker 1: It's the same kind of thing. I can't take it in.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be things that they're not. They weren't
Speaker 1: four by floors. There were actually these little box and
Speaker 1: craft about the size of you know if you cut
Speaker 1: the top of a suv off and painted it all
Speaker 1: white and stuck one light. And they were very close
Speaker 1: to the ground, and there about three or four of them,
Speaker 1: and they were coming towards us, and it's like a
Speaker 1: zig zag path and wow, this is getting busy. And
Speaker 1: next I noticed that there were two orbs. They were
Speaker 1: like beach ball size and they were like pearly white,
Speaker 1: and they were along the hedgerows, coming left and right.
Speaker 1: As I look down big field, and I remember thinking, wow,
Speaker 1: they're moving like barnals had seen a barn owl once
Speaker 1: and it's by sort of fluttering up and down really
Speaker 1: close to the hedgeline. And they were doing that. They
Speaker 1: were traveling in straight lines. They were bouncing and fluttering
Speaker 1: and you're taking the time moving down the fields towards us,
Speaker 1: and one passed just out of vision on the right,
Speaker 1: and one passed just out of vision on the left,
Speaker 1: and ball sudden that changed things for me. It was
Speaker 1: give me a joke. I thought, I've been flanked. They're
Speaker 1: going to be behind us soon. And there was something
Speaker 1: about these things being in front and behind that I
Speaker 1: really didn't like. And I just used I've got alarmed.
Speaker 1: I seemed to be able to use that alarm to
Speaker 1: shape myself out of the mesmerizing effect of the big
Speaker 1: craft and the lights. And now I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: and now it's scary. It's because it's so big, and
Speaker 1: I just didn't know what was going to happen next,
Speaker 1: what its capabilities, what its intention was, what it could do,
Speaker 1: what I should do, and it's just there and that's
Speaker 1: when I got I kind of I don't know. Some
Speaker 1: people call it a download or a message, and I
Speaker 1: don't know where it came from, whether it was from
Speaker 1: the craft or whether it came upwards from like a
Speaker 1: joint universal subconsciousness. It was wasn't like a thought in
Speaker 1: my head. It was like like a I don't know,
Speaker 1: It was like a message. It was very clear and
Speaker 1: that this is the other. Could have been like we
Speaker 1: are the other. Just you just got got the message
Speaker 1: and this has always been happening, like this isn't you know,
Speaker 1: random or rare. You know this happens and it's just
Speaker 1: just hasn't happened to you. And then the next thing
Speaker 1: was if you want to say safe, you really should
Speaker 1: walk away. And that's when I thought, Okay, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Time to act like a shepherd and get the flock
Speaker 1: out of here. And so I said, Sarah, hey, let's go,
Speaker 1: and I realized as I'm looking at her, she's totally
Speaker 1: in a trance. No transpire is that she hasn't seen
Speaker 1: anything since the original little fairy lights when they will
Speaker 1: low down in the trees, and she just went into
Speaker 1: a trance. That's last she remembers. So I gave her
Speaker 1: a shake and I say, you could get in the
Speaker 1: tent and get my knife, which she does, and then
Speaker 1: she hasn't seen anything. But you can tell by my
Speaker 1: tonal voice that this is something serious, and so I
Speaker 1: so let's go. And that's when she catches a glance
Speaker 1: at the craft, and this is where our memories diverge.
Speaker 1: I'd say that you know, we beat a dignified retreat.
Speaker 1: She says, we ran like hell up the field towards
Speaker 1: the farm, when she's probably right, And when we get there,
Speaker 1: we get to the outhouses and we stop near a
Speaker 1: corral and there's two donkeys in there whickering, and they're
Speaker 1: obviously very upset and they're weaving back and forth. But
Speaker 1: after a while we get there, they calm down, and
Speaker 1: I sense that we're kind of like on the edge
Speaker 1: of this sphere of influence. We're attempting to run into
Speaker 1: the village and where everybody happens. They coming look at that,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Something was saying like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: do that, and you go back and there's nothing there.
Speaker 1: You can't look like a wright idiot. So we just
Speaker 1: stop and we watch. And this has been going on
Speaker 1: for a while now, and now we're watching when we
Speaker 1: realize they've got a mission. They seem to be doing
Speaker 1: purposeful things. The orbs are making for the lattice towers
Speaker 1: of the electricity system, the electricity pylons, big ones they were,
Speaker 1: and they're showing a lot of interest, and they're weaving
Speaker 1: in and at them and up and down them. On
Speaker 1: one side of the field with THETT on the other
Speaker 1: side of the field of the lattice tower, and so
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. The big the big craft, which
Speaker 1: is the shape has taken is I describe it as
Speaker 1: a slightly squat D twenty, the type of dye you
Speaker 1: use for dungeons and dragons, which is really strange. I've
Speaker 1: never played that game, but that's it was, you know,
Speaker 1: multi sided and matte black and just sucking in the
Speaker 1: light and it's just then it's just audacious, just you
Speaker 1: know too, just a po and just stick around. And
Speaker 1: the white things, the boxy little craft, they seem to
Speaker 1: be doing a grid search, a big wide grid search,
Speaker 1: and it's like moving, covering all the area of the
Speaker 1: big field beyond us. And this goes on the same time.
Speaker 1: I think the whole episode took perhaps twenty minutes in all.
Speaker 1: And eventually the big twenty thing that rises up a
Speaker 1: bit and starts moving off, and the white craft underneath
Speaker 1: it lower down at like hedge row level. They're going
Speaker 1: with it, and the dwarbs are going and they're slowly
Speaker 1: meandering down this big, huge valley into the distance, and
Speaker 1: there's quite a relief when that happened, and it didn't
Speaker 1: last long, because all of a sudden, on the other
Speaker 1: side of the horizon there's this two new crafts. And
Speaker 1: now they ask too much. This is ridiculous. I don't
Speaker 1: want any more. But as they approach, they've got flashing lights.
Speaker 1: You get the jet engines, and I realized they're two
Speaker 1: fighter jets, and they're converging like a V shape. They
Speaker 1: quite low down. They're converging on the object, the craft,
Speaker 1: which is now off into the distance, and they pass us,
Speaker 1: and they get near and near of the craft, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's hard to tell them now things
Speaker 1: are in the distance, what the distances are. But they
Speaker 1: get fairly close and this thing just zips up into
Speaker 1: the sky and away like just the incredible speed just
Speaker 1: leaves them in its dust. Honestly, if he was trying
Speaker 1: trying to make them look silly or taunting them, and
Speaker 1: they go off and that's it. And strange thing is
Speaker 1: we walked down to the tent and we don't talk
Speaker 1: about it. We just zip up and go to sleep
Speaker 1: and a good night's sleep. Get up in the morning,
Speaker 1: pack down the tent, pack down all our things, strap
Speaker 1: it to the bike, drive off, and it's not until
Speaker 1: we stopped for the first stop to get some petrol
Speaker 1: and get some breakfast. And after that's over, we're sitting
Speaker 1: there on our comprete slab somewhere outside the garage, and
Speaker 1: I say, we did see those things last night, didn't we?
Speaker 1: In serious, Yeah, and we'd just recap what we saw
Speaker 1: and yeah, but mainly we just got on with the
Speaker 1: rest of our lives, the rest of our holiday and own.
Speaker 1: That was thirty odd years ago, and it's only recently
Speaker 1: that I thought much about it. You went in the
Speaker 1: Blue Moon, you think, oh, I remember that thing we saw?
Speaker 1: What the hell was it? Where did they come from?
Speaker 1: What we were doing? Wasn't a big thing? And didn't
Speaker 1: it didn't tell people because you know that if they
Speaker 1: haven't seen something like that, they're unlikely to believe you.
Speaker 1: I hate a phase where every day the memory really
Speaker 1: vividly was coming back to me and unbidden, and it
Speaker 1: was every day I thought about it, and this it
Speaker 1: would like roll like a cinema role, and I thought,
Speaker 1: I got to do something about this. I don't want
Speaker 1: to keep having this memory. It's what it must mean something,
Speaker 1: There must be something for me to do with it,
Speaker 1: to do about it. It didn't. I couldn't make any
Speaker 1: meaning of it. And I read a few books and
Speaker 1: things and thought, well, I'm not going to everybody else can't.
Speaker 1: And I thought, ah, it must be it must get
Speaker 1: the story out into the world. I think that's it.
Speaker 1: So I wrote it down. I wrote a short story
Speaker 1: to the best of my ability, and I sent it
Speaker 1: to someone who had a blog, and they posted it,
Speaker 1: and the whole potato imagine a mashed potato thing with
Speaker 1: the compulsion think of this event went ever since that's it.
Speaker 1: It was sold.
Speaker 2: So that's my story, very very interesting. So the object
Speaker 2: you said, like a D twenty die so that was
Speaker 2: would have been like a polyhedron, yeah, polyhedron shape, okay,
Speaker 2: and about the size of a double decker bus. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so a big object. When you first saw the lights,
Speaker 2: like the fairy lights in the trees, that area there
Speaker 2: is it, a heavily wooded area, always like a corpse
Speaker 2: of trees.
Speaker 1: Just the cops of trees. It's strange. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like it was using the lattice of the trees to
Speaker 1: allow me to join the dots. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? The kid's picture books will joined the dots. Sure, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: between the numbers. And you often hear people UFO encounters saying, oh,
Speaker 1: rose just above the tree line, and there's always this
Speaker 1: phrase just above the tree line. And yeah, this thing
Speaker 1: took shape in behind the trees because it was like
Speaker 1: a matrix you could look through and put put lines,
Speaker 1: put meaning on, and then it was a once it
Speaker 1: i'd allowed it to I'd allow myself to recognize something
Speaker 1: of the shape the feedback. Okay, now we're getting somewhere,
Speaker 1: and we now, okay, try was trying on this size,
Speaker 1: this ver sise, and once it got to something where
Speaker 1: I couldn't ignore it from force, and it's there. It's
Speaker 1: no longer semi solid. It's like this solid craft.
Speaker 2: The service itself is matt black. And was there any
Speaker 2: lights on the object?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same lights that started it all off. We're
Speaker 1: now like embedded in the core.
Speaker 2: So it's like so it's like it detached themselves and
Speaker 2: then reconnected.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. They were things of their own
Speaker 1: when I first saw them, so I can't tell they
Speaker 1: detached or not. Was that you know, they were put
Speaker 1: there then they were absorbed. I didn't see that. That's
Speaker 1: just that one you know, one minute they were independent things,
Speaker 1: and then something formed and it seemed to absorb them
Speaker 1: into its outer surface for the purpose of keeping the
Speaker 1: mesmerism going. Totally fascinating, gorgeous, beautiful colors. Because we were
Speaker 1: so close. It was like, first of all, there's these
Speaker 1: little colored globes of light moving around in the trees,
Speaker 1: and then it's just them. I mean that lower down
Speaker 1: in the trees, there wasn't enough to hide a big
Speaker 1: craft like that. It's it's only when they moved up
Speaker 1: and then this mist formed around them, and then as
Speaker 1: they got higher and higher, then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: there's things that it concretizing. So it couldn't have fit.
Speaker 1: That's I tell you about the elephant. You couldn't have
Speaker 1: hidden this thing behind those trees, as I was saying,
Speaker 1: if it was was solid and always solid, you would
Speaker 1: have just seen it, because it was bigger and wider
Speaker 1: than the trees.
Speaker 2: And this was in nineteen eighty nine, and this this
Speaker 2: memory is still quite fresh.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's it's like it just came back. And
Speaker 1: because it's played so many times and it's there, I
Speaker 1: can I can put myself back in that field, and
Speaker 1: I remember the sequence of events I can remember what
Speaker 1: we thought, our first impression of what what what this
Speaker 1: was all about. I'm not saying that this is what
Speaker 1: it is, but we try to put it into a
Speaker 1: frame of reference. Like the wall. My stargazing was like
Speaker 1: an EPRB setting off an emergency signal, because there's like
Speaker 1: a signal going right up into the sky. And I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: triggered something. And then what was doing was it seemed
Speaker 1: to be a search because of the grid like pattern.
Speaker 1: They seemed to be looking for something. I don't know
Speaker 1: whether Look, maybe they this one of our kind down there,
Speaker 1: Someone had sent him a message and they just found
Speaker 1: two monkeys, the other disappointed. I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but now I just I just say that because that
Speaker 1: was just like a first impression.
Speaker 2: Sure, and you seem to have before you witnessed it,
Speaker 2: you seem to have connected with with something. It's it's
Speaker 2: strange that either you were meant to be there to
Speaker 2: witness this. Yeah, do you feel perhaps that was that
Speaker 2: may have been the case.
Speaker 1: I feel it's a possibility. There's other possibilities. Generally, don't
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, years later, more recently, I've seen
Speaker 1: correspondences with what I did or what was induced in
Speaker 1: me first as a form of heis or set five.
Speaker 1: That's got parallels, but it's it's just very surprising that
Speaker 1: I did something about a unintentional and be not knowing
Speaker 1: what I was doing. So possibly I hitd on something
Speaker 1: a mental state accidentally, or maybe it was induced in
Speaker 1: me so that the events could unravel. And although there
Speaker 1: seemed to be purposeful, I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: or not. It is also equally it just seemed to
Speaker 1: be a bit of a show, putting on a bit
Speaker 1: of a show for us. Yeah, beyond that, I just
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were doing there or why
Speaker 1: I did. I did.
Speaker 2: Like you how you described it in the email. You
Speaker 2: said perhaps a bit like Close Encounters if the director
Speaker 2: was Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. It was. You know, there
Speaker 1: wasn't metal craft with beings in zooming around and beaming
Speaker 1: you down on you or it was a bit quasi
Speaker 1: tech the logical, a bit ai, but it was a
Speaker 1: bit you know, it's a feel of paranormal. I mean
Speaker 1: that it's in that area where it was happening when
Speaker 1: we were slightly on the edge of it. Looking back now,
Speaker 1: I get the sense of it's like two two worlds mixing,
Speaker 1: and anyway to describe it as I got a fishing
Speaker 1: of rocks and of big man made harbors and natural harbors,
Speaker 1: and at high tide that you get the incoming tide
Speaker 1: and mixing with the outgoing tide. And there's that point
Speaker 1: where there's two it's all water, but there's two bodies
Speaker 1: of water. It's all the sea that they're not the same,
Speaker 1: and then they can't quite easily mix, but you can
Speaker 1: tell as a difference or by a big estuary where
Speaker 1: the salt water is mixing with the clear water. You got.
Speaker 1: I got strong sense of that looking back on it,
Speaker 1: not at the time, but I'm thinking that there was
Speaker 1: something going on where yeah, two two realities mentions just
Speaker 1: merging for a while.
Speaker 2: Interesting. That certainly is an interesting one. Now prior to
Speaker 2: that experience in nineteen eighty nine, did you have an
Speaker 2: experience before or you were even any interest?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no real interest. Obviously you hear you'd
Speaker 1: see the fun person counters and you hear the odd report.
Speaker 1: I'd read a book a long time ago, just because
Speaker 1: my mother brought it home from a bring and buy sale,
Speaker 1: and it was by Timothy Goods, and I thought that's
Speaker 1: that was interesting, but it wasn't like a topic for me.
Speaker 1: I did hear from friends of surfers from the village
Speaker 1: where gre were. They used to go down in West
Speaker 1: Wales and apparently there was a bit of a flap
Speaker 1: going on down have A West and they used to
Speaker 1: go surfing sometimes when the surfers up done there and
Speaker 1: then they'd stop and they'd go to a particular place
Speaker 1: high up somewhere, and more often than not in those
Speaker 1: days they'd see some ufons and then so people who
Speaker 1: didn't surf used to go along with them receive the UFOs.
Speaker 1: I was a young teenager and I was word of mouth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was. There's one of the things. Years later,
Speaker 1: I came across a painting on the website. There's a
Speaker 1: painting of a little white boxycraft and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I know what that is. And it was painted by
Speaker 1: a guy called Michael Booles and he saw three of
Speaker 1: these things. He's riding a bike in the southwest of England,
Speaker 1: somewhere and between these crop fields and he saw all
Speaker 1: these things making a little tracks who were flying so
Speaker 1: low and apparently the next day they were in the
Speaker 1: field your way seeing them, but didn't stick around. There
Speaker 1: was a cops circle. But again that's that's just an
Speaker 1: observation I make. I'm not saying the things I saw
Speaker 1: were doing anything like that. They could have been.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you were in you were in the
Speaker 2: countryside and crop field, so you never you never know
Speaker 2: after you left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know what was in the other field,
Speaker 1: so that that would be mode. And it's obsolutely possible.
Speaker 2: But I might ask you, if it's when you have
Speaker 2: a time, if you could maybe do a sketch maybe
Speaker 2: like a diagram of the position and where you were
Speaker 2: and this and the object and then the accompanying objects.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'll have to go just really so.
Speaker 2: The listeners can have something to go to the website
Speaker 2: and then they can have a look maybe at the diagram,
Speaker 2: if that's possible. And do you and Sarah's still discuss it.
Speaker 1: No, not really before coming on your program. Disgusted in
Speaker 1: a little check and was it she said? She says
Speaker 1: she feels that it's affected her that she's never felt
Speaker 1: quite comfortable under the starry skies at night. She should
Speaker 1: go there, but she's never wanted to look up and
Speaker 1: stargaze after that experience. And she said, actually, well, while
Speaker 1: we were in the sort of in the outhouses of
Speaker 1: the farm, she would have been more comfortable getting the.
Speaker 2: Hell out of there, which you know is a normal reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know everybody's different, but I'd find it difficult,
Speaker 1: but harder to believe someone who said, oh, I was
Speaker 1: there and this this thing in two eyes and there's
Speaker 1: a UFO and it was amazing and joyous, and I,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I think there's something a bit
Speaker 1: more prime mordial if you see something like that. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you how I felt when I sort of regained
Speaker 1: my senses. I felt, I think how a laborate must
Speaker 1: feel when it's presented with a cat for the first time.
Speaker 1: You realize that you're you've got something in front of
Speaker 1: you beyond your ken. You don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: you don't know what he can do, but something kicks
Speaker 1: in that tells you you know, this is this is
Speaker 1: something beyond totally beyond your control and knowledge. And I
Speaker 1: think most people would be at least very apprehensive, if
Speaker 1: not damn right scared. But then I wasn't in full
Speaker 1: possession of my faculty as well, that I was looking
Speaker 1: at the pretty lights and MESMSM was taking effect Sony
Speaker 1: when I forced myself to come too, that I had
Speaker 1: a real assessment of my situation and I wouldn't like
Speaker 1: to see one again. I mean maybe with a lot
Speaker 1: of people at the distance, but no, not even they're
Speaker 1: not no points And yeah I wouldn't because it would
Speaker 1: be it would be the same situation. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think it was evil or partically good. It is
Speaker 1: It's just like some incredibly amazing technological thing that was indifferent.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it wanted to communicate something, it could have,
Speaker 1: but it was just as if I were We're here now,
Speaker 1: You've always been doing this. Don't don't get worried. This
Speaker 1: happens all the time. Just you haven't seen it before,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just toddle off, you know,
Speaker 1: got just wander off, which was it was good advice.
Speaker 2: Well you didn't seem to be in any danger, you know,
Speaker 2: that's the you know, that's the main thing.
Speaker 1: Well no, but obviously you know about it was obviously
Speaker 1: sometimes harmful effects of radiation, but mainly it's the unknown.
Speaker 1: You don't know what this big, huge craft is deploying
Speaker 1: little craft all around here and there, and then two
Speaker 1: of them have gone behind you. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: I suppose to describe, would say, you're in a foreign country,
Speaker 1: like you're in I don't know, the countryside of Venezuela
Speaker 1: and a dodgy looking bar, and you go in. You
Speaker 1: suddenly realize someone spike the drink of your your girlfriend.
Speaker 1: She's she's you know, she's all woozy and losing, and
Speaker 1: you're you're feeling a little bit woozy. And you notice
Speaker 1: that there's two guys gone round to the back entrance
Speaker 1: of the bar. You know, that's enough. You get out
Speaker 1: of there, don't you. Ye, where's my knife, where's my gun?
Speaker 1: Just get out of here. Something something's wrong, exactly.
Speaker 2: It's self preservation. You know, you're you're at your depth,
Speaker 2: you're at your comfort zone. You know, you just need
Speaker 2: to make a retreat an exit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that we didn't talk about it, that's that's odd.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't do that or they
Speaker 1: don't talk about it with the personal experience with them.
Speaker 2: That is true. Yeah, very I regularly I hear that
Speaker 2: the way Sarah reacted that's you know, that's some of
Speaker 2: that's very common. The trance like state of being bewitched
Speaker 2: is probably the best, the best way of describing it.
Speaker 2: I hear very similar accounts to this. Sometimes I can
Speaker 2: hear account and it's like I've heard this before. I
Speaker 2: know this account. But people that contact me, you know
Speaker 2: a lot of time, you haven't been on any other shows,
Speaker 2: you know, and stuff. So a lot of these accounts
Speaker 2: seem similar in many ways. Different shapes. I get many
Speaker 2: different shapes. I don't think I've had a polyhedron. I
Speaker 2: don't think I have. I'm not going to say I haven't,
Speaker 2: because obviously I deal with so many people. Be interesting
Speaker 2: if anyone gets in contact that have maybe had a
Speaker 2: similar experience to this, not necessarily in its entirety, just
Speaker 2: may be that the lights in the forest, or even
Speaker 2: possibly the shape of the object.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think the shape is too important. Sarah
Speaker 1: saw it a little bit more squashed than I did,
Speaker 1: but the shape was something that we agreed on for
Speaker 1: the manifest But it's it's more the I'd expect the
Speaker 1: atmosphere to be the same, the slowing down of time,
Speaker 1: the seriousness of everything. It's almost like a cinema or
Speaker 1: a dream. The mesmerism. I'd expect that to come through
Speaker 1: in a lot of cancer things are close up.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you say manifest like it's been, like
Speaker 2: it was created.
Speaker 1: It was creating itself with my permission and my involvement.
Speaker 1: Wanted to be there, and it wanted to be a
Speaker 1: certain type of shape and form, but that wasn't definitely,
Speaker 1: it was just it was becoming. It was like a
Speaker 1: conjurine started with the little lights, and that locks you
Speaker 1: in and locks your consciousness in it. It's got your attention,
Speaker 1: and then it can use your attention and use your
Speaker 1: focus to delve into your mind to say, well, okay,
Speaker 1: perhaps i'd look more like this. Will you be able
Speaker 1: to see me now? Will you see me now? Because
Speaker 1: there's there's definitely a mechanism that I don't know. If
Speaker 1: you couldn't see it, it can't get real. That's hard
Speaker 1: to describe. And it went from nebulus to slightly more
Speaker 1: solid and more dense. The air got more dense, and
Speaker 1: then there's something there. I can't see it, Yes, no,
Speaker 1: I can see it. There's something. There is something there,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my god, there's something big there.
Speaker 1: Why can't I see this big thing? Is it far off? No,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really close. And then once you lock
Speaker 1: into a greed shape and then you can see it
Speaker 1: actually all of a sudden manifesting, going from insubstantial I
Speaker 1: was it like a ghost was to become like a
Speaker 1: real person.
Speaker 2: Right. It's interesting because that is another similarity now sometimes
Speaker 2: when people have had experiences with entities, for instance, sometimes
Speaker 2: you'd have people where they'd see the being the entity
Speaker 2: as one form and others would see it as something else.
Speaker 2: It could be you're seeing what you can accept maybe,
Speaker 2: or whether it to make it easier for you or whatever.
Speaker 2: So that's certainly interesting. Yeah, the point of the show
Speaker 2: is is making people aware that these things go on,
Speaker 2: and the other side of the show is not so
Speaker 2: much entertainment. I know it's a podcast, but it's more
Speaker 2: more of a Some people can come and get it
Speaker 2: off their chest and in turn, you know, maybe help
Speaker 2: others to deal with it, because not everyone is accepting
Speaker 2: or as blase a with the subject. You know, some
Speaker 2: people have some very traumatic experiences. It's difficult for people
Speaker 2: to adjust because you know, it's not the norm.
Speaker 1: So to speak, and I think you're doing something quite
Speaker 1: important in building up an historic record.
Speaker 2: I'm never sure of accounts. I mean I literally get
Speaker 2: them daily. It's a point where I can't process them
Speaker 2: fast enough.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're drinking from a fire hydrant.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, absolutely, But.
Speaker 1: You're creating them, you're collecting them, you're putting them in
Speaker 1: a place. I mean, you could end up with a
Speaker 1: body of work that deserves to go into Rice University
Speaker 1: as a as a record that people in the future
Speaker 1: can look back on. We may know that we don't
Speaker 1: know now, but at a certain point there could be
Speaker 1: breakthroughs and understanding. And then you've got all these witness accounts.
Speaker 1: Yea more than on the written page. You speak to
Speaker 1: people and you get insights in terms of the emotional
Speaker 1: impact or whether people are telling the truth or you're
Speaker 1: getting a wide variety. People say, yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we should be studying more, but the witnesses say, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people focusing on what they think is happening.
Speaker 1: But you're more clean, you're more pure, You're just allowing
Speaker 1: the stories to unfold, and then they're there now in
Speaker 1: a really accessible form.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean the subject is complex, it's a very
Speaker 2: complex subject the deep you go into it. I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about what you see on TV and all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It's a compact subject. And when you
Speaker 2: mix it with human beings, which can be complex also.
Speaker 2: You know, people have different reasons for doing things, and
Speaker 2: people see things differently and have you know. It's people
Speaker 2: are very complex. I know that, so when you mix
Speaker 2: the two, it's difficult. I avoid people which are on
Speaker 2: the lecture circuit or all the UFO channels and all that.
Speaker 2: I avoid those. I try and keep just everyday people.
Speaker 2: And for people which I have on a show, which
Speaker 2: in their later years, they come to me and they've
Speaker 2: never shared these accounts before, and I just feel that
Speaker 2: to have them on record somewhere, their story, their account
Speaker 2: will never never die when they pass. It's always going
Speaker 2: to be available. And I hope one day, you know,
Speaker 2: somewhere here a certain episode and they can take some
Speaker 2: details from it, whether it's their own experience or for research.
Speaker 2: And email ad not so Largo from a scientist, and
Speaker 2: he said that he listened to the show by mistake right.
Speaker 2: He said it wasn't something he was ever interested in,
Speaker 2: and some one of his colleagues said, you know, you
Speaker 2: should listen to this account, and he said, he listened,
Speaker 2: and then he listened to other episodes and it went
Speaker 2: on from there, and he said, this isn't something I've
Speaker 2: ever been interested in, but I feel there is grounds
Speaker 2: for some kind of research be looked into a little
Speaker 2: bit more seriously.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so hopefully, you know, good things can come
Speaker 2: out come out like that.
Speaker 1: Oh they will. I'm quite sure they will, as it
Speaker 1: becomes less of a taboo topic and more possible for
Speaker 1: people to study it and what was going on rather yeah,
Speaker 1: whether something say it's just totally beyond us, something totally
Speaker 1: beyond us too fat because you know, my story started
Speaker 1: off seeing you know, fairy lights floating in the woods,
Speaker 1: and you know, could have ended there. And obviously the
Speaker 1: twenty set off the radar somewhere. So that's something that
Speaker 1: occurred to me. It was like I got shown a
Speaker 1: full spectrum of things, very nevolous, very consciousness, interactive, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that those objects were there independent
Speaker 1: of us, and the Royal Air Force got alerted, which
Speaker 1: was I thought, well that's quite good. Actually, I quite
Speaker 1: liked to seeing them, you know, on guard because you know,
Speaker 1: some from one perspective, those things should not have been there.
Speaker 1: This is our reality, this is our world. It was trespassing.
Speaker 1: I know that doesn't sound very welcoming, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like to wake up in the morning and find,
Speaker 1: you know, a tank from a foreign army in your garden.
Speaker 2: You'd you know, get out, that's right, But you know
Speaker 2: it could be the other way around. We could be
Speaker 2: the trespassers. Yeah, But the point with with the the
Speaker 2: RAF's involvement tells us that something happened, you know, something
Speaker 2: physical or something was picked up on their radar and
Speaker 2: you know, and they set off to maybe chase's objects
Speaker 2: the best the best they can. So you know, there
Speaker 2: is that something which which definitely happened.
Speaker 1: But how would we be trespassing on these things or
Speaker 1: these because it felt to me like they're coming into
Speaker 1: our reality. It was just an unnatural appearance. It was
Speaker 1: like a ship. Oh gosh, that that shouldn't I know,
Speaker 1: you can explain that in terms of no, that's me.
Speaker 1: I've got a frame of reference. This is what I
Speaker 1: think can and should happen. And all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I come into contact with something it's just because I
Speaker 1: haven't experienced it before doesn't mean it's natural. Yes, I
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. Yeah, they could be equally it
Speaker 1: could be their home as well, just because I haven't
Speaker 1: seen around. So yeah, we have.
Speaker 2: We have these these strange experiences that happen. We have
Speaker 2: paranormal experiences. It could be that that, you know, the
Speaker 2: two worlds live side by side and now and again.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like a like a like a window,
Speaker 2: like a mirror, and sometimes the other side occurs onto
Speaker 2: the to the one side. So it could be a
Speaker 2: bit of both. Could be that they've been here a
Speaker 2: lot longer than us, you know, if you go back
Speaker 2: to the old times with the legends and the folklore
Speaker 2: and all the old fairy stories, so obviously that they've
Speaker 2: been around for for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. I could see how my stargazing could
Speaker 1: have been an impingement into their world, like a spike
Speaker 1: of light or something appearing, and it was their version
Speaker 1: of the RF going up to look and see who's
Speaker 1: who's that cheeky bugger come into our world?
Speaker 2: Yeah, figuratively, you've just opened up a whole new world. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: Pierce the veil, pierce the veil.
Speaker 1: And was into their reality. And then so they they
Speaker 1: came to see it, and we were in a mixed,
Speaker 1: a mixed situation for a while, like you were.
Speaker 2: Saying, interesting, and you're gonna you're gonna think about this,
Speaker 2: and I will think about this as well. It's interesting.
Speaker 2: So sometimes you know you have a page, there's more
Speaker 2: questions that then get added and but less answer, just
Speaker 2: more more and more questions. That's interesting. I enjoyed that, Tad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Nick. Thanks very much for giving me
Speaker 1: the opportunity to tell my story.
Speaker 2: You are more than welcome. It's been lovely to meeting yet, Tad.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you coming on the show and sharing
Speaker 2: that for our listeners pleasure. That's great. Take care of
Speaker 2: yourself and I'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Bye bye.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tad. That is all for this week. Keep
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Speaker 2: And if you have an encounter that you'd like to
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Speaker 2: to me via the contact page on my website UFO
Speaker 2: Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Tad.
Speaker 2: For sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I
Speaker 2: will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and
Speaker 2: keep watching the skies. Goodbye,