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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report

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<v Speaker 1>a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one. Do you wish to report a.

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<v Speaker 2>UFO over hey, we want to one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Areas thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of it?

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time areas

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one me neither. There s one golf if it

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<v Speaker 1>was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>OFFI the UFO. Yeah it's murder two nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'll just passed over so I got. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it was, but it's from at least to

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand feet above us.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I passed right over the top of US.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety one one.

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<v Speaker 2>You just called up to me before.

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<v Speaker 1>They're after staying the airplanes. He is to God on

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<v Speaker 1>an unidentified object, every liberty or call or calm on

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<v Speaker 1>an unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their

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<v Speaker 2>experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to be on the show. You can

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<v Speaker 2>email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome to the show wherever you are listening from

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<v Speaker 2>on this planet. I'm Nick Canter and this is the

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<v Speaker 2>UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, we are joined by Tad calling

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<v Speaker 2>from New Zealand and Tad's encounter occurred Midsummer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty nine just outside of Stratford upon Avon in the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>while camping with his wife in a cramp field. Tad

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<v Speaker 2>Now on with the show, Hello Tad, Welcome to the show,

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<v Speaker 2>Thy Nick. Thank you, thank you for coming on today

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<v Speaker 2>and calling from New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pleasure to be here, actually invited.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to have you here now, Tad, do you

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<v Speaker 2>have an encounter to share with us? So would you

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<v Speaker 2>like to start at the very beginning, please, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. It started in nineteen eighty nine and in those

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<v Speaker 1>years the favorite thing from me and my partner now

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<v Speaker 1>my wife, as much as I go touring a little

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<v Speaker 1>two fifty trail bike and a lot of the weekends

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<v Speaker 1>when the weather was good, we used to go around

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<v Speaker 1>the back quarters of Britain. We let's say, in the

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<v Speaker 1>quiet places and maybe chatting to locals in the pub

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<v Speaker 1>and having local ale. And we'd often just truck up

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<v Speaker 1>to a village and ask if anyone did camping. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>there were campsites, Sometimes there was people who said, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can camp here, or quite often there was farmers

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<v Speaker 1>say oh yeah, I've got I've got a field where

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<v Speaker 1>I sometimes let people camp. And that was the best

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<v Speaker 1>because you woke up in the morning and you had

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<v Speaker 1>a whole fields yourself. It was beautiful. You're writing the countryside,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'd spend the day touring around just taking

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<v Speaker 1>in the sites. And on this particular trip we decided

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<v Speaker 1>to do that kind of thing, but also taking a

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<v Speaker 1>play at the Royal Shakespeare theater in Stratford. So we

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<v Speaker 1>go to a little village outside Stratford and we just

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<v Speaker 1>pull up outside a shop and go in and say

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<v Speaker 1>does anyone do camping? We get pointed to a farm

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<v Speaker 1>and the farmer says, yeah, even get on the back

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<v Speaker 1>of my farm. There's a big field down there. You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a crop field. It's a really big

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<v Speaker 1>field and it had been the crops have been reaped,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we trundle down into that field and in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle there's a cops of trees and a little pond. I. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's set up camp there. And we noticed there's lots

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<v Speaker 1>of stubble strewn around everywhere. So we gather up a

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<v Speaker 1>heap of that and put it under a little dome

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<v Speaker 1>tent and that's going to be comfortable for the night.

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<v Speaker 1>And we do the same when we put a groundsheet

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and it's going to be a comfortable place

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<v Speaker 1>to sit, like a outdoor divi. So that done, we

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<v Speaker 1>decided to go into town and sleep and get tickets

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<v Speaker 1>for the performance. And it was a midsummer's night dream,

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic performance. And later on we're coming back and it's

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<v Speaker 1>dark and we drive through the farm yard and past

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<v Speaker 1>the outbuildings and through the gate and down into the field.

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<v Speaker 1>The slope down towards the pond is and side of

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<v Speaker 1>a cup of tea. So we're sitting there having a

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<v Speaker 1>cup of tea, looking out of the countryside. It's a beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>fairly warm evening, and it's time for bed, and Sarah's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tidy up, and she's got at camping, and she

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<v Speaker 1>started just gonna get the bed sorted and tidy up.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, well, I'll lie here now and stargazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did, and I'm stargazing, enjoying it, feeling very happy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the start of a holiday, very peaceful, lovely evening.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got the stars and that thing happens where

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes adapt and then all of a sudden you

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot more stars. And then as you keep

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<v Speaker 1>just staring upwards, you see another layer of stars and

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you've seen further into the into the sky

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<v Speaker 1>at night. But then things started to get strange. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of experience of being able to see further

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<v Speaker 1>and further took a grip on me. It wasn't me

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<v Speaker 1>doing it or allowing it to happen. As I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just focusing and letting more light come in.

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<v Speaker 1>It was if I was up there in the sky

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<v Speaker 1>and I could see a huge grid of stars and

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<v Speaker 1>then I go through it and then I'd be seeing further.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was more than seeing. It was like I

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<v Speaker 1>was still lying on the on the ground sheet, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was. It was part of my consciousness was up

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky. Who was quite strange, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose it was something like remote viewing or astral travel.

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<v Speaker 1>It was those things, but that's the only sort of

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<v Speaker 1>frame of reference I can put it in. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>one minute I'm right up into deep space, and the

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<v Speaker 1>next I'm back on the on the ground sheet, and

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<v Speaker 1>I get up a little bit wobbly, but no, and

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<v Speaker 1>the worst way, it didn't really shake me that much.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can see Sarah's still just prepairing the tent

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<v Speaker 1>for the night, and I noticed a change in the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere and the whole area around us. It's it's as

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<v Speaker 1>if time was going a little bit slower. Everything seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be gravig or more serious. It was a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like that those few moments in a theater where

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't the lights. Everyone's quiet, and it's a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of anticipation something is about to happen, except I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what was about to happen. And even it was

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<v Speaker 1>like there was a things look more different. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>mode on some TVs. I've had those in the mode

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<v Speaker 1>and the colors are a bit richer, and the blacks

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<v Speaker 1>or the blacker they're just known where the contrast there's

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<v Speaker 1>no contrast. And I just don't know where this atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>is coming from. And then I notice in the cops

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<v Speaker 1>of trees that's near by there seem to be these

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<v Speaker 1>colored lights and it's as if someone strung fairy lights

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<v Speaker 1>in these big trees, and not many of them. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to get a grip on it. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>really there? And I say to Sarah, do you see

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<v Speaker 1>those lights? And she says, yeah, I can see those,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm thinking, well, no, I don't, can't be. I

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<v Speaker 1>try to understand it as maybe there's lights in the distance,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there's some houses or something between, you know, behind

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<v Speaker 1>the trees, and I can't see them, and that they're

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<v Speaker 1>shining through the trees, and then then I realized that no,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no hills or houses over there, and so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking this is a strange effect. It was disconcerting because

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<v Speaker 1>now they're becoming mesmerizing. And then I realize they're actually

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<v Speaker 1>little globes, little balls of light just in and of themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>not shining, and there's a they're very descentillating, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>taking your attention. And they're coming on and off and

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<v Speaker 1>in patterns, and there's a red one and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>white one, and there's aqua blue, and there's something like

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<v Speaker 1>an orange of bird sienna, and they're moving in a

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<v Speaker 1>little circle pattern. And now they're rising into the higher branches.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only that, now time seems to slow down,

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<v Speaker 1>just to beat again. Things are happening more slowly, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting transfixed. And I started to realize that behind

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<v Speaker 1>the lights are with the lights, there's some big there's

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<v Speaker 1>something there, but I can't see it, and it's either

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<v Speaker 1>in the trees or it's behind the trees, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like there's a big, huge black mist and it's

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<v Speaker 1>forming or taking on shape. And looking back then now

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<v Speaker 1>I remember a joke who tells kids, which was how

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<v Speaker 1>do elephants hide in the forest? They climb up the

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<v Speaker 1>cherry trees and paint their toenails red. It's like something

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<v Speaker 1>using these lights to hide. There was something going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden I realized there's something there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that I'm refusing to see it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I can see a bit more of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's interacting with me. It's almost as if I

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<v Speaker 1>need to countenance it being there so it can manifest,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like it's delving into my subconscious. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>if it's it's got a shape it definitely wants to be,

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<v Speaker 1>but we've got to negotiate what that shape is, what

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<v Speaker 1>what it needs to be so I will see it

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to see it, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really don't want it to be there, but it's it's insistent,

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<v Speaker 1>and it keeps getting more and more definite and real,

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<v Speaker 1>until all of a sudden it's taken shape. It's taken

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<v Speaker 1>its manifested. It's there, and for a second I blank

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<v Speaker 1>it out and I'm not taking that in, but then

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<v Speaker 1>it really is. Then now it's above the trees and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a craft, and the little lights that

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<v Speaker 1>were flashing they're now embedded in. It's out a shell

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<v Speaker 1>and they're still doing that flashing thing, which is really mesmerizing.

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<v Speaker 1>So just in awe, not not totally scared of it,

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<v Speaker 1>freaked because this is this is a natural and it's

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<v Speaker 1>about the size of a double decker bus. And I

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<v Speaker 1>could could have thrown a tennis ball and hit it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just hover and there, silent, and I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>good grief, this this is a UFO encounter. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>Why didn't I realize earlier? But it was so it

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<v Speaker 1>was so paranormal. It was like a big, hot, magical outdoor.

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<v Speaker 1>The it a spectacle show, not like you know, flying

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<v Speaker 1>sources zipping your air listening, had manifested and it was

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<v Speaker 1>changing time, changing space, affecting my consciousness, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>creating a huge, huge atmosphere in the whole area. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's then I kind of thought, oh, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. I don't want to be here. This

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<v Speaker 1>this is unnatural, this, this is It was a transgression

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<v Speaker 1>that was at the least it was very cheeky. At

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<v Speaker 1>the worst, it was very opportunistic. And yeah, and there

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<v Speaker 1>and I noticed that in the field beyond our field,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some vehicles coming towards us. They were quick because

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are four wheel drive vehicles. I just

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<v Speaker 1>see like the tops and they're white four by floors

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<v Speaker 1>and they've headlights, and I'm trying to as they're coming nearer.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be things that they're not. They weren't

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<v Speaker 1>four by floors. There were actually these little box and

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<v Speaker 1>white and stuck one light. And they were very close

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground, and there about three or four of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were coming towards us, and it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>next I noticed that there were two orbs. They were

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<v Speaker 1>like beach ball size and they were like pearly white,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were along the hedgerows, coming left and right.

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<v Speaker 1>As I look down big field, and I remember thinking, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>they're moving like barnals had seen a barn owl once

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<v Speaker 1>and it's by sort of fluttering up and down really

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<v Speaker 1>close to the hedgeline. And they were doing that. They

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<v Speaker 1>were traveling in straight lines. They were bouncing and fluttering

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<v Speaker 1>and you're taking the time moving down the fields towards us,

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<v Speaker 1>and one passed just out of vision on the right,

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<v Speaker 1>and one passed just out of vision on the left,

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<v Speaker 1>and ball sudden that changed things for me. It was

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<v Speaker 1>give me a joke. I thought, I've been flanked. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be behind us soon. And there was something

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<v Speaker 1>about these things being in front and behind that I

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't like. And I just used I've got alarmed.

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<v Speaker 1>I seemed to be able to use that alarm to

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<v Speaker 1>shape myself out of the mesmerizing effect of the big

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<v Speaker 1>craft and the lights. And now I'm looking at it

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's scary. It's because it's so big, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't know what was going to happen next,

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<v Speaker 1>what its capabilities, what its intention was, what it could do,

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<v Speaker 1>what I should do, and it's just there and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when I got I kind of I don't know. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people call it a download or a message, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where it came from, whether it was from

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<v Speaker 1>the craft or whether it came upwards from like a

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<v Speaker 1>joint universal subconsciousness. It was wasn't like a thought in

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<v Speaker 1>my head. It was like like a I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a message. It was very clear and

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<v Speaker 1>that this is the other. Could have been like we

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<v Speaker 1>are the other. Just you just got got the message

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<v Speaker 1>and this has always been happening, like this isn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>random or rare. You know this happens and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>just hasn't happened to you. And then the next thing

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<v Speaker 1>was if you want to say safe, you really should

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<v Speaker 1>walk away. And that's when I thought, Okay, yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to act like a shepherd and get the flock

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<v Speaker 1>out of here. And so I said, Sarah, hey, let's go,

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<v Speaker 1>and I realized as I'm looking at her, she's totally

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<v Speaker 1>in a trance. No transpire is that she hasn't seen

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<v Speaker 1>anything since the original little fairy lights when they will

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<v Speaker 1>low down in the trees, and she just went into

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<v Speaker 1>a trance. That's last she remembers. So I gave her

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<v Speaker 1>a shake and I say, you could get in the

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<v Speaker 1>tent and get my knife, which she does, and then

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<v Speaker 1>she hasn't seen anything. But you can tell by my

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<v Speaker 1>tonal voice that this is something serious, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>so let's go. And that's when she catches a glance

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<v Speaker 1>at the craft, and this is where our memories diverge.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say that you know, we beat a dignified retreat.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, we ran like hell up the field towards

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<v Speaker 1>the farm, when she's probably right, And when we get there,

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<v Speaker 1>we get to the outhouses and we stop near a

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<v Speaker 1>corral and there's two donkeys in there whickering, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>obviously very upset and they're weaving back and forth. But

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<v Speaker 1>after a while we get there, they calm down, and

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<v Speaker 1>I sense that we're kind of like on the edge

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<v Speaker 1>of this sphere of influence. We're attempting to run into

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<v Speaker 1>the village and where everybody happens. They coming look at that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. Something was saying like, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>do that, and you go back and there's nothing there.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't look like a wright idiot. So we just

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<v Speaker 1>stop and we watch. And this has been going on

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<v Speaker 1>for a while now, and now we're watching when we

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<v Speaker 1>realize they've got a mission. They seem to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>purposeful things. The orbs are making for the lattice towers

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<v Speaker 1>of the electricity system, the electricity pylons, big ones they were,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're showing a lot of interest, and they're weaving

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<v Speaker 1>in and at them and up and down them. On

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<v Speaker 1>one side of the field with THETT on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the field of the lattice tower, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they're doing. The big the big craft, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the shape has taken is I describe it as

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<v Speaker 1>a slightly squat D twenty, the type of dye you

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<v Speaker 1>use for dungeons and dragons, which is really strange. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never played that game, but that's it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>multi sided and matte black and just sucking in the

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<v Speaker 1>light and it's just then it's just audacious, just you

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<v Speaker 1>know too, just a po and just stick around. And

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<v Speaker 1>the white things, the boxy little craft, they seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing a grid search, a big wide grid search,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like moving, covering all the area of the

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<v Speaker 1>big field beyond us. And this goes on the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the whole episode took perhaps twenty minutes in all.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually the big twenty thing that rises up a

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<v Speaker 1>bit and starts moving off, and the white craft underneath

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<v Speaker 1>it lower down at like hedge row level. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>with it, and the dwarbs are going and they're slowly

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<v Speaker 1>meandering down this big, huge valley into the distance, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's quite a relief when that happened, and it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>last long, because all of a sudden, on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the horizon there's this two new crafts. And

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<v Speaker 1>now they ask too much. This is ridiculous. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want any more. But as they approach, they've got flashing lights.

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<v Speaker 1>You get the jet engines, and I realized they're two

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<v Speaker 1>fighter jets, and they're converging like a V shape. They

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<v Speaker 1>quite low down. They're converging on the object, the craft,

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<v Speaker 1>which is now off into the distance, and they pass us,

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<v Speaker 1>and they get near and near of the craft, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's hard to tell them now things

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<v Speaker 1>are in the distance, what the distances are. But they

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<v Speaker 1>get fairly close and this thing just zips up into

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<v Speaker 1>the sky and away like just the incredible speed just

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<v Speaker 1>leaves them in its dust. Honestly, if he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make them look silly or taunting them, and

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<v Speaker 1>they go off and that's it. And strange thing is

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<v Speaker 1>we walked down to the tent and we don't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it. We just zip up and go to sleep

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<v Speaker 1>and a good night's sleep. Get up in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>pack down the tent, pack down all our things, strap

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<v Speaker 1>it to the bike, drive off, and it's not until

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<v Speaker 1>we stopped for the first stop to get some petrol

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<v Speaker 1>and get some breakfast. And after that's over, we're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there on our comprete slab somewhere outside the garage, and

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<v Speaker 1>I say, we did see those things last night, didn't we?

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<v Speaker 1>In serious, Yeah, and we'd just recap what we saw

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, but mainly we just got on with the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of our lives, the rest of our holiday and own.

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<v Speaker 1>That was thirty odd years ago, and it's only recently

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought much about it. You went in the

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Moon, you think, oh, I remember that thing we saw?

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell was it? Where did they come from?

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<v Speaker 1>What we were doing? Wasn't a big thing? And didn't

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't tell people because you know that if they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen something like that, they're unlikely to believe you.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate a phase where every day the memory really

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<v Speaker 1>vividly was coming back to me and unbidden, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was every day I thought about it, and this it

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<v Speaker 1>would like roll like a cinema role, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to do something about this. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep having this memory. It's what it must mean something,

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<v Speaker 1>There must be something for me to do with it,

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<v Speaker 1>to do about it. It didn't. I couldn't make any

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<v Speaker 1>meaning of it. And I read a few books and

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<v Speaker 1>things and thought, well, I'm not going to everybody else can't.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, ah, it must be it must get

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<v Speaker 1>the story out into the world. I think that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wrote it down. I wrote a short story

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<v Speaker 1>to the best of my ability, and I sent it

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<v Speaker 1>to someone who had a blog, and they posted it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole potato imagine a mashed potato thing with

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<v Speaker 1>the compulsion think of this event went ever since that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was sold.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's my story, very very interesting. So the object

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<v Speaker 2>you said, like a D twenty die so that was

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<v Speaker 2>would have been like a polyhedron, yeah, polyhedron shape, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and about the size of a double decker bus. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so a big object. When you first saw the lights,

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<v Speaker 2>like the fairy lights in the trees, that area there

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<v Speaker 2>is it, a heavily wooded area, always like a corpse

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<v Speaker 2>of trees.

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<v Speaker 1>Just the cops of trees. It's strange. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like it was using the lattice of the trees to

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<v Speaker 1>allow me to join the dots. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? The kid's picture books will joined the dots. Sure, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>between the numbers. And you often hear people UFO encounters saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>rose just above the tree line, and there's always this

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<v Speaker 1>phrase just above the tree line. And yeah, this thing

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<v Speaker 1>took shape in behind the trees because it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a matrix you could look through and put put lines,

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<v Speaker 1>put meaning on, and then it was a once it

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<v Speaker 1>i'd allowed it to I'd allow myself to recognize something

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<v Speaker 1>of the shape the feedback. Okay, now we're getting somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and we now, okay, try was trying on this size,

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<v Speaker 1>this ver sise, and once it got to something where

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't ignore it from force, and it's there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>no longer semi solid. It's like this solid craft.

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<v Speaker 2>The service itself is matt black. And was there any

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<v Speaker 2>lights on the object?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the same lights that started it all off. We're

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<v Speaker 1>now like embedded in the core.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like so it's like it detached themselves and

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<v Speaker 2>then reconnected.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know. They were things of their own

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<v Speaker 1>when I first saw them, so I can't tell they

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<v Speaker 1>detached or not. Was that you know, they were put

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<v Speaker 1>there then they were absorbed. I didn't see that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just that one you know, one minute they were independent things,

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<v Speaker 1>and then something formed and it seemed to absorb them

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<v Speaker 1>into its outer surface for the purpose of keeping the

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<v Speaker 1>mesmerism going. Totally fascinating, gorgeous, beautiful colors. Because we were

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<v Speaker 1>so close. It was like, first of all, there's these

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<v Speaker 1>little colored globes of light moving around in the trees,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's just them. I mean that lower down

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<v Speaker 1>in the trees, there wasn't enough to hide a big

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<v Speaker 1>craft like that. It's it's only when they moved up

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<v Speaker 1>and then this mist formed around them, and then as

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<v Speaker 1>they got higher and higher, then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>there's things that it concretizing. So it couldn't have fit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I tell you about the elephant. You couldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>hidden this thing behind those trees, as I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was was solid and always solid, you would

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<v Speaker 1>have just seen it, because it was bigger and wider

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<v Speaker 1>than the trees.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was in nineteen eighty nine, and this this

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<v Speaker 2>memory is still quite fresh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, it's it's like it just came back. And

417
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<v Speaker 1>because it's played so many times and it's there, I

418
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<v Speaker 1>can I can put myself back in that field, and

419
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<v Speaker 1>I remember the sequence of events I can remember what

420
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<v Speaker 1>we thought, our first impression of what what what this

421
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<v Speaker 1>was all about. I'm not saying that this is what

422
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:42.079
<v Speaker 1>it is, but we try to put it into a

423
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<v Speaker 1>frame of reference. Like the wall. My stargazing was like

424
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<v Speaker 1>an EPRB setting off an emergency signal, because there's like

425
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>a signal going right up into the sky. And I thought, oh,

426
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:59.400
<v Speaker 1>triggered something. And then what was doing was it seemed

427
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<v Speaker 1>to be a search because of the grid like pattern.

428
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>They seemed to be looking for something. I don't know

429
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:08.839
<v Speaker 1>whether Look, maybe they this one of our kind down there,

430
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Someone had sent him a message and they just found

431
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<v Speaker 1>two monkeys, the other disappointed. I don't know. I don't know,

432
00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>but now I just I just say that because that

433
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<v Speaker 1>was just like a first impression.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and you seem to have before you witnessed it,

435
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 2>you seem to have connected with with something. It's it's

436
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 2>strange that either you were meant to be there to

437
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 2>witness this. Yeah, do you feel perhaps that was that

438
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:36.680
<v Speaker 2>may have been the case.

439
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel it's a possibility. There's other possibilities. Generally, don't

440
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I mean, years later, more recently, I've seen

441
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:50.519
<v Speaker 1>correspondences with what I did or what was induced in

442
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>me first as a form of heis or set five.

443
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.839
<v Speaker 1>That's got parallels, but it's it's just very surprising that

444
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<v Speaker 1>I did something about a unintentional and be not knowing

445
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>what I was doing. So possibly I hitd on something

446
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>a mental state accidentally, or maybe it was induced in

447
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 1>me so that the events could unravel. And although there

448
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:23.799
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be purposeful, I don't know if it was

449
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.480
<v Speaker 1>or not. It is also equally it just seemed to

450
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.440
<v Speaker 1>be a bit of a show, putting on a bit

451
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.640
<v Speaker 1>of a show for us. Yeah, beyond that, I just

452
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they were doing there or why

453
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:37.039
<v Speaker 1>I did. I did.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Like you how you described it in the email. You

455
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:43.119
<v Speaker 2>said perhaps a bit like Close Encounters if the director

456
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:44.519
<v Speaker 2>was Alistair Crowley.

457
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:49.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. It was. You know, there

458
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't metal craft with beings in zooming around and beaming

459
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.640
<v Speaker 1>you down on you or it was a bit quasi

460
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 1>tech the logical, a bit ai, but it was a

461
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:08.440
<v Speaker 1>bit you know, it's a feel of paranormal. I mean

462
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>that it's in that area where it was happening when

463
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.759
<v Speaker 1>we were slightly on the edge of it. Looking back now,

464
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I get the sense of it's like two two worlds mixing,

465
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and anyway to describe it as I got a fishing

466
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.599
<v Speaker 1>of rocks and of big man made harbors and natural harbors,

467
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>and at high tide that you get the incoming tide

468
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and mixing with the outgoing tide. And there's that point

469
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>where there's two it's all water, but there's two bodies

470
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>of water. It's all the sea that they're not the same,

471
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and then they can't quite easily mix, but you can

472
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.599
<v Speaker 1>tell as a difference or by a big estuary where

473
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the salt water is mixing with the clear water. You got.

474
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I got strong sense of that looking back on it,

475
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:54.759
<v Speaker 1>not at the time, but I'm thinking that there was

476
00:28:54.799 --> 00:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>something going on where yeah, two two realities mentions just

477
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 1>merging for a while.

478
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Interesting. That certainly is an interesting one. Now prior to

479
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>that experience in nineteen eighty nine, did you have an

480
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.599
<v Speaker 2>experience before or you were even any interest?

481
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no real interest. Obviously you hear you'd

482
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>see the fun person counters and you hear the odd report.

483
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 1>I'd read a book a long time ago, just because

484
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>my mother brought it home from a bring and buy sale,

485
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.279
<v Speaker 1>and it was by Timothy Goods, and I thought that's

486
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that was interesting, but it wasn't like a topic for me.

487
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I did hear from friends of surfers from the village

488
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>where gre were. They used to go down in West

489
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Wales and apparently there was a bit of a flap

490
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 1>going on down have A West and they used to

491
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>go surfing sometimes when the surfers up done there and

492
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.640
<v Speaker 1>then they'd stop and they'd go to a particular place

493
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 1>high up somewhere, and more often than not in those

494
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>days they'd see some ufons and then so people who

495
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't surf used to go along with them receive the UFOs.

496
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I was a young teenager and I was word of mouth.

497
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that is true. Haven for the West there

498
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:09.519
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<v Speaker 2>up to the strange?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was. There's one of the things. Years later,

517
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I came across a painting on the website. There's a

518
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>painting of a little white boxycraft and I thought, oh,

519
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I know what that is. And it was painted by

520
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 1>a guy called Michael Booles and he saw three of

521
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>these things. He's riding a bike in the southwest of England,

522
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>somewhere and between these crop fields and he saw all

523
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>these things making a little tracks who were flying so

524
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>low and apparently the next day they were in the

525
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:04.839
<v Speaker 1>field your way seeing them, but didn't stick around. There

526
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.119
<v Speaker 1>was a cops circle. But again that's that's just an

527
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.799
<v Speaker 1>observation I make. I'm not saying the things I saw

528
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>were doing anything like that. They could have been.

529
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean you were in you were in the

530
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>countryside and crop field, so you never you never know

531
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>after you left.

532
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't know what was in the other field,

533
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>so that that would be mode. And it's obsolutely possible.

534
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.359
<v Speaker 2>But I might ask you, if it's when you have

535
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>a time, if you could maybe do a sketch maybe

536
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 2>like a diagram of the position and where you were

537
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 2>and this and the object and then the accompanying objects.

538
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, I'll have to go just really so.

539
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.079
<v Speaker 2>The listeners can have something to go to the website

540
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.279
<v Speaker 2>and then they can have a look maybe at the diagram,

541
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 2>if that's possible. And do you and Sarah's still discuss it.

542
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:59.319
<v Speaker 1>No, not really before coming on your program. Disgusted in

543
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>a little check and was it she said? She says

544
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 1>she feels that it's affected her that she's never felt

545
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 1>quite comfortable under the starry skies at night. She should

546
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.240
<v Speaker 1>go there, but she's never wanted to look up and

547
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>stargaze after that experience. And she said, actually, well, while

548
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>we were in the sort of in the outhouses of

549
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.839
<v Speaker 1>the farm, she would have been more comfortable getting the.

550
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Hell out of there, which you know is a normal reaction.

551
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I know everybody's different, but I'd find it difficult,

552
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>but harder to believe someone who said, oh, I was

553
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.480
<v Speaker 1>there and this this thing in two eyes and there's

554
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>a UFO and it was amazing and joyous, and I,

555
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I I think there's something a bit

556
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 1>more prime mordial if you see something like that. I'll

557
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:58.279
<v Speaker 1>tell you how I felt when I sort of regained

558
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:03.480
<v Speaker 1>my senses. I felt, I think how a laborate must

559
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 1>feel when it's presented with a cat for the first time.

560
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 1>You realize that you're you've got something in front of

561
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 1>you beyond your ken. You don't know what it is,

562
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what he can do, but something kicks

563
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>in that tells you you know, this is this is

564
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:33.679
<v Speaker 1>something beyond totally beyond your control and knowledge. And I

565
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:38.039
<v Speaker 1>think most people would be at least very apprehensive, if

566
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>not damn right scared. But then I wasn't in full

567
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 1>possession of my faculty as well, that I was looking

568
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:51.679
<v Speaker 1>at the pretty lights and MESMSM was taking effect Sony

569
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.119
<v Speaker 1>when I forced myself to come too, that I had

570
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:58.519
<v Speaker 1>a real assessment of my situation and I wouldn't like

571
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 1>to see one again. I mean maybe with a lot

572
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.639
<v Speaker 1>of people at the distance, but no, not even they're

573
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>not no points And yeah I wouldn't because it would

574
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 1>be it would be the same situation. I mean, I

575
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 1>don't think it was evil or partically good. It is

576
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:26.159
<v Speaker 1>It's just like some incredibly amazing technological thing that was indifferent.

577
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if it wanted to communicate something, it could have,

578
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.000
<v Speaker 1>but it was just as if I were We're here now,

579
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>You've always been doing this. Don't don't get worried. This

580
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 1>happens all the time. Just you haven't seen it before,

581
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.599
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just toddle off, you know,

582
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.719
<v Speaker 1>got just wander off, which was it was good advice.

583
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Well you didn't seem to be in any danger, you know,

584
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>that's the you know, that's the main thing.

585
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Well no, but obviously you know about it was obviously

586
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>sometimes harmful effects of radiation, but mainly it's the unknown.

587
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:09.559
<v Speaker 1>You don't know what this big, huge craft is deploying

588
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.199
<v Speaker 1>little craft all around here and there, and then two

589
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.119
<v Speaker 1>of them have gone behind you. I mean, it's like

590
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I suppose to describe, would say, you're in a foreign country,

591
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:23.039
<v Speaker 1>like you're in I don't know, the countryside of Venezuela

592
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and a dodgy looking bar, and you go in. You

593
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 1>suddenly realize someone spike the drink of your your girlfriend.

594
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:34.760
<v Speaker 1>She's she's you know, she's all woozy and losing, and

595
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 1>you're you're feeling a little bit woozy. And you notice

596
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>that there's two guys gone round to the back entrance

597
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:44.400
<v Speaker 1>of the bar. You know, that's enough. You get out

598
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:48.079
<v Speaker 1>of there, don't you. Ye, where's my knife, where's my gun?

599
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Just get out of here. Something something's wrong, exactly.

600
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 2>It's self preservation. You know, you're you're at your depth,

601
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.360
<v Speaker 2>you're at your comfort zone. You know, you just need

602
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.800
<v Speaker 2>to make a retreat an exit.

603
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that we didn't talk about it, that's that's odd.

604
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.519
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people don't do that or they

605
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>don't talk about it with the personal experience with them.

606
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.639
<v Speaker 2>That is true. Yeah, very I regularly I hear that

607
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the way Sarah reacted that's you know, that's some of

608
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 2>that's very common. The trance like state of being bewitched

609
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 2>is probably the best, the best way of describing it.

610
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I hear very similar accounts to this. Sometimes I can

611
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 2>hear account and it's like I've heard this before. I

612
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 2>know this account. But people that contact me, you know

613
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:35.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time, you haven't been on any other shows,

614
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, and stuff. So a lot of these accounts

615
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 2>seem similar in many ways. Different shapes. I get many

616
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>different shapes. I don't think I've had a polyhedron. I

617
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 2>don't think I have. I'm not going to say I haven't,

618
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>because obviously I deal with so many people. Be interesting

619
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 2>if anyone gets in contact that have maybe had a

620
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 2>similar experience to this, not necessarily in its entirety, just

621
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:03.119
<v Speaker 2>may be that the lights in the forest, or even

622
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:04.800
<v Speaker 2>possibly the shape of the object.

623
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think the shape is too important. Sarah

624
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 1>saw it a little bit more squashed than I did,

625
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:14.400
<v Speaker 1>but the shape was something that we agreed on for

626
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the manifest But it's it's more the I'd expect the

627
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.679
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere to be the same, the slowing down of time,

628
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the seriousness of everything. It's almost like a cinema or

629
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>a dream. The mesmerism. I'd expect that to come through

630
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of cancer things are close up.

631
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that you say manifest like it's been, like

632
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 2>it was created.

633
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 1>It was creating itself with my permission and my involvement.

634
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 1>Wanted to be there, and it wanted to be a

635
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 1>certain type of shape and form, but that wasn't definitely,

636
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.199
<v Speaker 1>it was just it was becoming. It was like a

637
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.880
<v Speaker 1>conjurine started with the little lights, and that locks you

638
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 1>in and locks your consciousness in it. It's got your attention,

639
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and then it can use your attention and use your

640
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.840
<v Speaker 1>focus to delve into your mind to say, well, okay,

641
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>perhaps i'd look more like this. Will you be able

642
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 1>to see me now? Will you see me now? Because

643
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.639
<v Speaker 1>there's there's definitely a mechanism that I don't know. If

644
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.079
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't see it, it can't get real. That's hard

645
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:24.199
<v Speaker 1>to describe. And it went from nebulus to slightly more

646
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 1>solid and more dense. The air got more dense, and

647
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.239
<v Speaker 1>then there's something there. I can't see it, Yes, no,

648
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I can see it. There's something. There is something there,

649
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, oh my god, there's something big there.

650
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.199
<v Speaker 1>Why can't I see this big thing? Is it far off? No,

651
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's really close. And then once you lock

652
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>into a greed shape and then you can see it

653
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:48.880
<v Speaker 1>actually all of a sudden manifesting, going from insubstantial I

654
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 1>was it like a ghost was to become like a

655
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:51.679
<v Speaker 1>real person.

656
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Right. It's interesting because that is another similarity now sometimes

657
00:39:56.239 --> 00:40:00.679
<v Speaker 2>when people have had experiences with entities, for instance, sometimes

658
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 2>you'd have people where they'd see the being the entity

659
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.920
<v Speaker 2>as one form and others would see it as something else.

660
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.039
<v Speaker 2>It could be you're seeing what you can accept maybe,

661
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:15.119
<v Speaker 2>or whether it to make it easier for you or whatever.

662
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's certainly interesting. Yeah, the point of the show

663
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 2>is is making people aware that these things go on,

664
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.239
<v Speaker 2>and the other side of the show is not so

665
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.000
<v Speaker 2>much entertainment. I know it's a podcast, but it's more

666
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.000
<v Speaker 2>more of a Some people can come and get it

667
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:33.519
<v Speaker 2>off their chest and in turn, you know, maybe help

668
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.760
<v Speaker 2>others to deal with it, because not everyone is accepting

669
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:38.679
<v Speaker 2>or as blase a with the subject. You know, some

670
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 2>people have some very traumatic experiences. It's difficult for people

671
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.719
<v Speaker 2>to adjust because you know, it's not the norm.

672
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.519
<v Speaker 1>So to speak, and I think you're doing something quite

673
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 1>important in building up an historic record.

674
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm never sure of accounts. I mean I literally get

675
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.880
<v Speaker 2>them daily. It's a point where I can't process them

676
00:40:58.960 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 2>fast enough.

677
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're drinking from a fire hydrant.

678
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, absolutely, But.

679
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 1>You're creating them, you're collecting them, you're putting them in

680
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.079
<v Speaker 1>a place. I mean, you could end up with a

681
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 1>body of work that deserves to go into Rice University

682
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>as a as a record that people in the future

683
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 1>can look back on. We may know that we don't

684
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.519
<v Speaker 1>know now, but at a certain point there could be

685
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>breakthroughs and understanding. And then you've got all these witness accounts.

686
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Yea more than on the written page. You speak to

687
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>people and you get insights in terms of the emotional

688
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.559
<v Speaker 1>impact or whether people are telling the truth or you're

689
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 1>getting a wide variety. People say, yeah, well, you know,

690
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.039
<v Speaker 1>we should be studying more, but the witnesses say, there's

691
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:48.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people focusing on what they think is happening.

692
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>But you're more clean, you're more pure, You're just allowing

693
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the stories to unfold, and then they're there now in

694
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>a really accessible form.

695
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I mean the subject is complex, it's a very

696
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.639
<v Speaker 2>complex subject the deep you go into it. I'm not

697
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:05.719
<v Speaker 2>talking about what you see on TV and all that

698
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. It's a compact subject. And when you

699
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:12.440
<v Speaker 2>mix it with human beings, which can be complex also.

700
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, people have different reasons for doing things, and

701
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.000
<v Speaker 2>people see things differently and have you know. It's people

702
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>are very complex. I know that, so when you mix

703
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 2>the two, it's difficult. I avoid people which are on

704
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the lecture circuit or all the UFO channels and all that.

705
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I avoid those. I try and keep just everyday people.

706
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:34.800
<v Speaker 2>And for people which I have on a show, which

707
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 2>in their later years, they come to me and they've

708
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 2>never shared these accounts before, and I just feel that

709
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:45.199
<v Speaker 2>to have them on record somewhere, their story, their account

710
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.679
<v Speaker 2>will never never die when they pass. It's always going

711
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to be available. And I hope one day, you know,

712
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:51.920
<v Speaker 2>somewhere here a certain episode and they can take some

713
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.599
<v Speaker 2>details from it, whether it's their own experience or for research.

714
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.039
<v Speaker 2>And email ad not so Largo from a scientist, and

715
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.360
<v Speaker 2>he said that he listened to the show by mistake right.

716
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.159
<v Speaker 2>He said it wasn't something he was ever interested in,

717
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:06.079
<v Speaker 2>and some one of his colleagues said, you know, you

718
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.280
<v Speaker 2>should listen to this account, and he said, he listened,

719
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.320
<v Speaker 2>and then he listened to other episodes and it went

720
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 2>on from there, and he said, this isn't something I've

721
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 2>ever been interested in, but I feel there is grounds

722
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.639
<v Speaker 2>for some kind of research be looked into a little

723
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:19.480
<v Speaker 2>bit more seriously.

724
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:20.559
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.

725
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So so hopefully, you know, good things can come

726
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:24.239
<v Speaker 2>out come out like that.

727
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh they will. I'm quite sure they will, as it

728
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.519
<v Speaker 1>becomes less of a taboo topic and more possible for

729
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>people to study it and what was going on rather yeah,

730
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:40.559
<v Speaker 1>whether something say it's just totally beyond us, something totally

731
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>beyond us too fat because you know, my story started

732
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 1>off seeing you know, fairy lights floating in the woods,

733
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 1>and you know, could have ended there. And obviously the

734
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty set off the radar somewhere. So that's something that

735
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.119
<v Speaker 1>occurred to me. It was like I got shown a

736
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 1>full spectrum of things, very nevolous, very consciousness, interactive, and

737
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:07.440
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden that those objects were there independent

738
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:13.119
<v Speaker 1>of us, and the Royal Air Force got alerted, which

739
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.280
<v Speaker 1>was I thought, well that's quite good. Actually, I quite

740
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.920
<v Speaker 1>liked to seeing them, you know, on guard because you know,

741
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.960
<v Speaker 1>some from one perspective, those things should not have been there.

742
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>This is our reality, this is our world. It was trespassing.

743
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I know that doesn't sound very welcoming, but yeah, you know,

744
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't like to wake up in the morning and find,

745
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, a tank from a foreign army in your garden.

746
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:41.159
<v Speaker 2>You'd you know, get out, that's right, But you know

747
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:43.320
<v Speaker 2>it could be the other way around. We could be

748
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 2>the trespassers. Yeah, But the point with with the the

749
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:53.199
<v Speaker 2>RAF's involvement tells us that something happened, you know, something

750
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.920
<v Speaker 2>physical or something was picked up on their radar and

751
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, and they set off to maybe chase's objects

752
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.559
<v Speaker 2>the best the best they can. So you know, there

753
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:05.159
<v Speaker 2>is that something which which definitely happened.

754
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>But how would we be trespassing on these things or

755
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.039
<v Speaker 1>these because it felt to me like they're coming into

756
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:18.360
<v Speaker 1>our reality. It was just an unnatural appearance. It was

757
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.079
<v Speaker 1>like a ship. Oh gosh, that that shouldn't I know,

758
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 1>you can explain that in terms of no, that's me.

759
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:26.119
<v Speaker 1>I've got a frame of reference. This is what I

760
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 1>think can and should happen. And all of a sudden

761
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I come into contact with something it's just because I

762
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 1>haven't experienced it before doesn't mean it's natural. Yes, I

763
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.519
<v Speaker 1>see what you're saying. Yeah, they could be equally it

764
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 1>could be their home as well, just because I haven't

765
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.840
<v Speaker 1>seen around. So yeah, we have.

766
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.760
<v Speaker 2>We have these these strange experiences that happen. We have

767
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 2>paranormal experiences. It could be that that, you know, the

768
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 2>two worlds live side by side and now and again.

769
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:55.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like a like a like a window,

770
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.440
<v Speaker 2>like a mirror, and sometimes the other side occurs onto

771
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the to the one side. So it could be a

772
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:03.880
<v Speaker 2>bit of both. Could be that they've been here a

773
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.199
<v Speaker 2>lot longer than us, you know, if you go back

774
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.159
<v Speaker 2>to the old times with the legends and the folklore

775
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:12.639
<v Speaker 2>and all the old fairy stories, so obviously that they've

776
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>been around for for a very long time.

777
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I see. I could see how my stargazing could

778
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>have been an impingement into their world, like a spike

779
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>of light or something appearing, and it was their version

780
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.079
<v Speaker 1>of the RF going up to look and see who's

781
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.880
<v Speaker 1>who's that cheeky bugger come into our world?

782
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, figuratively, you've just opened up a whole new world. Yeah, absolutely,

783
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Pierce the veil, pierce the veil.

784
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.280
<v Speaker 1>And was into their reality. And then so they they

785
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 1>came to see it, and we were in a mixed,

786
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 1>a mixed situation for a while, like you were.

787
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Saying, interesting, and you're gonna you're gonna think about this,

788
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 2>and I will think about this as well. It's interesting.

789
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.639
<v Speaker 2>So sometimes you know you have a page, there's more

790
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:58.119
<v Speaker 2>questions that then get added and but less answer, just

791
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:02.119
<v Speaker 2>more more and more questions. That's interesting. I enjoyed that, Tad.

792
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too. Nick. Thanks very much for giving me

793
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to tell my story.

794
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.639
<v Speaker 2>You are more than welcome. It's been lovely to meeting yet, Tad.

795
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:11.559
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate you coming on the show and sharing

796
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.400
<v Speaker 2>that for our listeners pleasure. That's great. Take care of

797
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.280
<v Speaker 2>yourself and I'll talk soon.

798
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Bye bye.

799
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Tad. That is all for this week. Keep

800
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.679
<v Speaker 2>updated and connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

801
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>And if you have an encounter that you'd like to

802
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:29.480
<v Speaker 2>share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO

803
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out

804
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.280
<v Speaker 2>to me via the contact page on my website UFO

805
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.679
<v Speaker 2>Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Tad.

806
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.960
<v Speaker 2>For sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I

807
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 2>will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and

808
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:49.840
<v Speaker 2>keep watching the skies. Goodbye,
