WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.200 The Projection Booth podcast is sponsored by Scarecrow Video. Tryout 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.400 scarecrows rent by mail service. Choose from over one hundred 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:09.240 and fifty thousand films and get Blu rays, four k's 4 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:13.240 and DVDs delivered directly to your door. Visit scarecrow dot 5 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:14.039 com today. 6 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:22.199 Oh geez boat, it's showtime. 7 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.559 People say good money to see this movie. When they 8 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:26.399 go out to a theater. 9 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:30.440 They want clothed, sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in 10 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:31.440 the projection Booth. 11 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:35.159 Everyone for ten podcasting isn't boring, Cut it off? 12 00:00:53.600 --> 00:01:00.399 Thrilled you with the stand misery, the shining, Carry Tommy 13 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:05.120 Knuckers and stand by me now. Stephen King's Next Tale 14 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:11.799 is brought to television as an ABC premier event. Imagine 15 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.840 you're asleep on a crowded midnight flight, but when you 16 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.680 wake up, only ten people are left on the plane. 17 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:19.079 Where is everybody? 18 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.840 What's going on here on the plane? 19 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.439 No pilot, no crew, and no. 20 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:27.200 One on the ground. You don't want to panic on 21 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.319 a hands doing may day, may day. 22 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.040 There's nothing out there. What happened to the world? They 23 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:33.280 knew what they do? 24 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:34.319 Have no play war. 25 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:37.040 I really don't want to go down there. But this 26 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:41.079 is only the beginning. This place is utterly totally deserted. 27 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:43.560 It's really wrong here my look. 28 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:48.359 Patricia Wedding, Deed Stockwell, David Morris and Bronson Pinchot, And 29 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:53.760 I say your seatbelt. Stephen kids, the Langoliers. 30 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:13.479 Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host. Mike White 31 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:16.560 joined me once again as mister Joe madri Hey. Mike 32 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.560 also joining us as Ms Marta Georgiovic. 33 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.919 Hello, Hello, Ready to talk about the big picture. 34 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:26.400 We are looking at the nineteen ninety five mini series 35 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:29.879 The lenge Leers, based on a Stephen King novella and 36 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:33.280 adapted and directed by Tom Holland. The film stars David 37 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:37.719 Morse as pilot Brian Engel and Bronson Pinshow as businessman 38 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:41.879 Craig Toomey. They are two passengers on an unusual flight 39 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:45.479 from LA to Boston by way of the Twilight Zone. 40 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.879 We will be spoiling this movie as we go along, 41 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:49.840 so if we don't want anything ruined, turn off the 42 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.479 podcast and come back after you've seen it. We will 43 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.840 still be here. So, Joe, when was the first time 44 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:57.000 you saw the Lengeliers and what did you think? 45 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:02.680 I am a lifelong Stea King nerd, so I was 46 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:06.400 there for all of the annual Stephen King mini series 47 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.199 that aired on ABC back in the nineties, and I 48 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.919 guess this one was Spring of ninety five, so it 49 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:18.479 came after it and The Tommy Knockers and The Stand 50 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:21.759 which is sort of a tough act to follow, and 51 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:25.240 the Langoliers did not follow it particularly well. 52 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:27.919 I was excited. I remember being excited. 53 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:29.879 About it because I had read, actually, I think one 54 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:34.199 of the first Stephen King stories I ever read. I 55 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.719 picked up Four Past Midnight when it first came out. 56 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.080 I'd only read maybe one or two Stephen King books 57 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:43.000 before that, and I remember really liking the Langoliers in 58 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:47.080 that collection, especially, I think because I had grown up 59 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:51.080 in a small town where there wasn't much on TV, 60 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.840 so we had like one UHF station in the in 61 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:58.759 the afternoons they would play you know, Old Star Treks 62 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.120 and Adam's Family and Twilight Zone episode and Syndication, and 63 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.520 I loved the Twilight Zone, so I feel like I 64 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:07.919 was kind of predisposed to like The Langoliers, which is 65 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:11.000 really just sort of an extended Twilight Zone episode. I 66 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.560 remember thinking it's extended pretty far for a mini series. 67 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:19.240 It's the materials a little light. I was underwhelmed, I suppose, 68 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:24.120 and I don't think that. I have watched the mini 69 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:29.759 series honestly since nineteen ninety five until this podcast came up, 70 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:31.800 So I blame you. 71 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:33.240 You're going to have to watch it for your next 72 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:33.879 book anyway. 73 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:37.680 Yeah, well, I'll get there eventually, and Marta, how about 74 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:38.879 yourself now? 75 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.519 In preparation for this podcast a few days ago, I 76 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.319 also read the novella for the first time as well, 77 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:49.160 and I love that. I absolutely inhaled it. I could 78 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:52.240 not put it down. So going into the mini series, 79 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.680 I was a bit, you know, worried. It's three hours 80 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.839 of mid nineties network television. But I also realized if 81 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:04.199 you really lean into it and lean into the pay thing, 82 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:08.680 the flat lighting, it kind of, weirdly enough, works like 83 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.759 you feel trapped in that eerie dead time with the characters. 84 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:16.680 So I don't know, there's something to appreciate about it. 85 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:17.560 I guess I can say. 86 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.120 I came to this one kind of backwards. I ran 87 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:27.000 across the film Timekeepers of Eternity, and I was like, 88 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.360 what the hell is this? Why is there? It was 89 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:32.639 like a still image of Bronson Pinchot in black and white. 90 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.800 I'm just like, what is this thing? What Timekeepers of Eternity? 91 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.319 I've never heard of this and started watching it and 92 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.079 I was just like, Oh, this is this is what. 93 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.000 Wasn't this a TV series? Wasn't this a made for 94 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.759 TV thing? And kind of just was like, oh, oh 95 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.480 oh the Lengo Leers. Okay. And the only thing I 96 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:55.160 knew about the Lengo Leers is it's famous for one thing, 97 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.639 horrible special effects. And I said, you know, I've never 98 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:03.000 given this a chance. So I said, let me listen 99 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:06.959 to the book, and I bought and downloaded Four past 100 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.720 Midnight on Audible, and I was so thrilled to have 101 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:15.560 Willem Dafoe narrating this for me. I was ecstatic listening 102 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.120 to the story. Strange story and yeah, we'll definitely talk 103 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.800 about the pacing and stuff. I was so shocked that 104 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:24.279 it was like eight hours long, and there's a point 105 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:26.879 I think about six hours in where it's just like, well, 106 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:28.920 where are they going to go from here? What the hell? 107 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:30.920 They're back on the plane, they're flying back, They've got 108 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.199 this big thing that they're about to go through. How 109 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.000 are they going to make this go for two more hours. 110 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:40.120 So yeah, it was fascinating, and as I was listening 111 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.360 to it, I kept thinking of other things and we'll 112 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:44.639 definitely talk about that as we go along as well. 113 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.160 So now that I've worked my way backwards from Timekeepers 114 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:53.759 of Eternity through other mediums back to the Leangaliers, finally 115 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.560 watched The Langaliers and I was like, oh, this wasn't 116 00:06:56.560 --> 00:07:00.600 too bad. It is strange. It's a strange movie, strange hastaying, 117 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:04.079 strange pacing to the story as well. They cut out 118 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:08.319 a lot of interior dialogue, obviously when it comes to 119 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.759 the series, the two part series, three hours worth of 120 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:16.000 this stuff. It makes sense that they do because we 121 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:18.000 don't need to get into the heads of every single 122 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:21.240 character that's on here. But it is interesting to see 123 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.839 this whole idea of a bunch of people kind of 124 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.680 trapped in a spot, but then they're not trapped anymore 125 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.360 for a third of it, and then they get trapped again. 126 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:32.800 They trap themselves on the airplane again because now they're 127 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.319 trying to save themselves. But yeah, it was just an odd, 128 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:40.240 odd way of presenting this whole thing. What I felt 129 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:43.279 like should have been a short story, but really stretched out. 130 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.639 But it didn't feel like one of these Stephen King 131 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.639 stories where you're just like, oh my God, would you 132 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:52.639 please just end this thing already, which sometimes his stories 133 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.759 feel like that for me, some of his full length novels, 134 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:57.639 I'm just like, yeah, this probably should have been a 135 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:02.040 short story, whereas with this. Listening to the story, I 136 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:05.560 was pretty compelled by it, and I really enjoyed some 137 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:07.319 of the things that were happening with it. It is 138 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.199 interesting that he's got the writer character in here. I mean, 139 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.720 how many times does Stephen King deal with writers in 140 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:17.720 his stories? And then also the little girl who's blind, 141 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:20.720 and of course it's like, okay, you've got the person 142 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.399 with some sort of malady who makes up for it 143 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:27.120 in another way. Kind of reminded me of like Nick 144 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:31.360 from the Stand, or know, any number of characters that 145 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:34.679 Stephen King has written before, where they might be deficient 146 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:37.919 in one area but they are superstars in other areas. 147 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.159 And especially with this little girl of her whole fate 148 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:44.120 that she has. But it's a challenging film, let's put 149 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:44.600 it that way. 150 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:47.720 What I found interesting as well is, I mean, obviously 151 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.399 there's some changes done to the mini series but a 152 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.240 lot of it would seemed lifted directly from the pages. 153 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.080 Like the dialogue especially was very true to King's story, 154 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.360 and that really surprised me. I wasn't expecting that at all. 155 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:02.879 That was Tom Holland, who is the writer and director, 156 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.080 went into this very concerned about being faithful. I think 157 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.080 because by the by the mid nineties, you know, fidelity 158 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.320 to Stephen King was such a big thing with his fans. 159 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:14.000 You know. 160 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:16.960 That's I think why the mini series format was more popular, 161 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:18.840 because you could fit more of the stuff that was 162 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:23.000 in the books in there. And he really does stick 163 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:25.840 very close to the dialogue, but it's it's kind of 164 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:29.720 inescapable the challenges of going from one medium to another. 165 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.519 The whole Apple and Oranges comparison, because I mean, what 166 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:37.840 I think really works about the novel or novella, I'm 167 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.159 not sure linkwise which which it actually should be classified as. 168 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.240 But what works is kind of the inner thoughts of 169 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:46.120 the characters and the fact that you're getting into their 170 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:48.720 heads and when you really just kind of bringing it 171 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.519 down to dialogue, I mean, it's three hours. 172 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:53.159 Of a lot of talking. 173 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:56.000 I mean, it's just I mean, it's it's theater. You know, 174 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.600 most of its theater and then they, you know, throw 175 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.960 in this CGI effect in the last hour. I guess 176 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:04.320 that's supposed to be like a curveball. I was reading 177 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.360 in one of the old I don't remember, maybe it 178 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.919 was like Cine Fantastique or something, an interview with the 179 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.080 producer Richard Rubinstein, who is you know, he's kind of 180 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:14.879 doing his huckster thing of trying to pitch what this 181 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:17.360 mini series is going to be. And he said, you know, 182 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:22.200 the logline was like it's it's Stephen King meets Irwin Allen, 183 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:24.720 you know, and Irwin Allen did the big you know, 184 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:27.360 the big budget disaster movies of the seventies like Beside 185 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.679 an Adventure and The Towering Inferno and The Swarm. I 186 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.879 feel like that's kind of misleading, because I there's not 187 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.519 a lot of spectacle in the Langeliers at all. This 188 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:40.240 is not a spectacle driven thing. This is a Twilight 189 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.840 Zone episode. It's very theatrical, and it's almost like trying 190 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.919 to be true to the style of a Twilight Zone 191 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.080 episode that is even kind of shot the same way. 192 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:52.679 It's like very traditional coverage, the wides, mediums, tights, and 193 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:55.240 then like these extreme close ups with somebody kind of 194 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:59.759 looming into the camera, and it really is an extended episode. 195 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:02.440 And you know, my memory of the Twilight Zone is 196 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:04.399 it in the later seasons they started to go to 197 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:06.720 the one hour format instead of the half hour, and 198 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.960 it wasn't as good. So a three hour Twilight Zone 199 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.600 episode for me, is a lot to take. 200 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:16.200 So at its heart, this is a story of a 201 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.080 group of people that wake up on an airplane and 202 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:21.600 they find that all of the other passengers are gone. 203 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:26.039 That includes the pilot. The copilot, everybody's gone, and we're 204 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:29.159 left with just a handful of folks. I mean, it's 205 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.240 what maybe ten characters. I never actually sat down and 206 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:35.720 took account of them. They all wake up, they find 207 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:41.399 that everybody's missing. They divert the plane from Boston to Banger. 208 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:45.039 As they're flying, they keep looking out the window and 209 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.960 not seeing anything. They're unable to contact anyone at home. 210 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.240 They don't know what's going to be there when they 211 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:53.879 land in Banger, Maine. And of course it just made 212 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:56.879 me laugh that they divert the plane to Maine, especially 213 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.320 to Banger, because that's you know, such as Stephen King 214 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:03.480 kind of stomping grounds. They get off the plane, they 215 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.279 find that there's nobody there, but then they start hearing 216 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:10.080 this noise that just keeps getting louder and louder, and 217 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:13.960 basically they just kind of figure out, mostly through the 218 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:16.960 writer character who's played in the movie by Dean Stockwell, 219 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:21.080 find out that basically the whole world seems to be 220 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:25.240 like deprived of energy, that it's like a twilight time 221 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:29.600 is passing differently, and they kind of figure out like, 222 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:32.159 if we don't move, if we don't get back on 223 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:36.559 this plane and hopefully fly our way back, that whatever's 224 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:38.519 happening to the world is going to happen to them, 225 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:41.080 like they're going to be depleted of energy. And then 226 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.360 of course we find out what the langueliers of the 227 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.320 title are, which are basically a made up thing inside 228 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.960 of mister Toomey's head, but they kind of line up 229 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.159 between his fantasies, his nightmares of his father, and this 230 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:57.000 horrible relationship that he had with his father and mother, 231 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.799 and they eliminate the mother character. It's just the father 232 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.960 in the movie. If they don't move, they're going to 233 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:09.279 get eaten by these creatures, these terrifically ridiculous creatures that 234 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:12.799 really reminded me of do you guys remember the movie Critters? 235 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.200 Reminded me of Critters because they're basically just teeth and 236 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:19.480 hair and they just eat everything. And I guess there 237 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:23.159 were how the world cleans itself between one day and 238 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:25.960 the next, and it's kind of a reset thing and 239 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.519 they fly off and they try to go back through 240 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:32.759 the rift that they just it's all conjecture. It's all 241 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:36.240 just Dean Stockwell character just constantly like, well maybe it's this, 242 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:39.000 and everything that he says ends up being true, and 243 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.720 he's just constantly trying to figure things out. One of 244 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:45.120 the things I like in the book is that there 245 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.840 are several times where different characters will have these revelations. 246 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:53.440 There's a young man Alfred will figure out a little 247 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:56.759 bit of the mystery, and then the Dean Stockwell character 248 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.879 will figure out a little bit of the mystery, and 249 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.120 then even the David Morse character, we'll figure out a 250 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:03.799 little bit of the mystery. And it's just like, okay, 251 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.440 you know, oh, well, if we reduce cabin pressure, then 252 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:09.879 we'll all fall asleep, because we have to be asleep 253 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.360 to go through this thing, and because that's how we 254 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:15.120 made it through the first time, so somebody's got to 255 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:17.960 sacrifice themselves and stay awake so that they can turn 256 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.320 the air pressure back on, you know. And meanwhile Albert 257 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.039 is like, oh, well, if we take these things back 258 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.759 onto the plane, the plane has energy and it hasn't 259 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:32.440 yet been sapped of energy or anything. So yeah, it's 260 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:36.120 just very very chunked as far as like on the plane, 261 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:39.879 on the ground, back on the plane. And then there's 262 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:43.159 that little denument at the end where like time kind 263 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.840 of catches back up with them, and by that point 264 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.679 we're down to what four characters, maybe a few more 265 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.840 because we have lost a lot of people along the way. 266 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:57.080 For me, what really worked was how little of the monsters, 267 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:01.240 the languelgeers you actually see, because going in this all 268 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:04.200 I knew, of course, was about the CGI. That's what 269 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.120 everybody seems to be talking about. But it really doesn't 270 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:08.919 even take up that much time in the film, and 271 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:12.559 it's less about the monsters eating time and more about 272 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:15.039 people realizing they've slipped out of the present, and that 273 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:19.279 to me is truly horrific. And then you have King 274 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:24.600 who literalizes that slow decay of meaning right the empty airport, 275 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.000 the fluorescent home, everywhere. It all just feels like Time's 276 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:32.240 corpse so perfect actually watching it now in twenty twenty 277 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:35.000 five that the CGI and set design looks so dated 278 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:39.200 because it almost reinforces the idea that this world has expired, right. 279 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:43.039 I do love the concept, and I think it's something 280 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.120 that works so well on the page, because really it's 281 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.639 a story that's about so much of the stories about dread, 282 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:51.879 and it's kind of about this feeling of the uncanny, 283 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.720 and you know, like with the noise of the languelers coming, 284 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.600 like all the characters have a different description of what 285 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:03.799 they and they all kind of describe it as something familiar, 286 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:06.039 but the fact that it's something different for all of 287 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.639 them is a little unnerving. I can't even remember all 288 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:10.919 the descriptions. One of them says it's like rice crispies 289 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.559 and milk, and everybody sort of has their own spin 290 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:19.200 on it. And there's just something creepy about the fact 291 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:21.960 that it's familiar and unfamiliar. They don't actually know what 292 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:23.799 it is. They can't place it, and they're trying to 293 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:28.559 come up with some sort of equivalent in their past experience. 294 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.960 I mean, they're reaching for that and can't quite come 295 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.000 up with it. And the same thing with like the 296 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.480 experience of everything being kind of gray out, that like 297 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:42.799 sensory experience doesn't work. Things taste flat, you know, there's 298 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:46.440 no taste. You can't smell, things you can't sound is 299 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.399 not really working right, There's something that's not kind of 300 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:52.840 vivid about the sound. Everything sounds a little muted. It's 301 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.200 these things that you can describe on the page where 302 00:16:55.240 --> 00:17:00.000 you can talk about somebody's experience of this, their experience 303 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.559 of the uncanny, and a good writer can put you 304 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:07.799 in their head as they're feeling disoriented. And I think 305 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.119 the trick with a film of you know, going to 306 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:12.599 the different medium is it's like so much of it 307 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:17.279 is about can you visualize something or can you put 308 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:21.839 something on the soundtrack that is that disorienting or that 309 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.559 destabilizing in these really subtle ways. 310 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:26.960 That's a really tall order. 311 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.839 I feel like instead what they did was say, well, 312 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:31.920 we're just going to say all that great stuff that 313 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:34.039 Stephen King described, We're just going to have them say 314 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.960 it or you know, what they're feeling, because because King 315 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:38.519 says it so well in the book, We're just going 316 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.640 to make that dialogue, which is this trap that people 317 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.039 fall into with Stephen King adaptations, We're going to be 318 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.960 really faithful, and by being faithful, you don't recognize that 319 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:51.839 there's something that has to happen when you're translating from 320 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:55.519 one medium to the other. When it was interviewing Diane 321 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.680 Johnson about The Shining and she, you know, is incredibly 322 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.759 brilliant writer, and she said, what you really have to 323 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:06.160 do is come up with objective correlatives for what's on 324 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:10.319 the page. And so instead of you know, doing kind 325 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:13.880 of extended dialogue about the violent history of the Overlook Hotel, 326 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.400 you do something like a visual metaphor of the blood 327 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:20.680 pouring out of the elevator that is just a surreal 328 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:23.599 thing that kind of, you know, smacks the audience out 329 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.960 of their comfort zone. The dialogue just doesn't get it done. 330 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:27.400 You know. 331 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:29.200 I just keep coming back to thinking. 332 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:31.599 Well, The Languel Years is a play, it's a it's 333 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.160 sort of a theater, maybe not even theater of the 334 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:35.079 mind theater. 335 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:38.400 That's not enough for me with a story like this, 336 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:40.720 to say nothing of the CGI. 337 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:46.319 What's like, we are missing a lot of these characters' motivations. 338 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.400 I mean, when I look at the movie, just as 339 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.559 the movie, there's very little of the Laurel Stephenson character. 340 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:57.519 The Patricia Wedding is the actress playing Laurel. There's very 341 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:03.720 little of Kate Maberlys Dinah Bellman character, and then the 342 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.000 Frankie Faison, who I love him. He's barely present in 343 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.319 this movie as Don Gaffney, and I'm just like, Okay, yeah, 344 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:13.519 I really would have liked to have known these characters 345 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:16.119 a little bit more because as it ends up, I mean, 346 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:19.920 maybe we get a little of David Morris, but it 347 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:23.559 really becomes the Mister Toomey Show. And that's fine, but 348 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.359 mister Toomey, I mean bron Spins show is playing him 349 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.359 at eleven almost the entire time, if not the entire time, 350 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.839 and it really becomes all about him and all about 351 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.839 the blind girl. Everybody else kind of takes a side seat. 352 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:42.599 It doesn't even open with Dinah or Brian Ingele, which 353 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:46.680 I think the book opens with Brian Engele. It opens 354 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.680 the mini series opens with Nick and I thought that 355 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:51.920 was very very bizarre, and then we kind of see 356 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.640 Dinah a little bit with her aunt and then Toomey, 357 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:58.920 but it was just completely different to the book, which 358 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:02.200 I just couldn't think fure out why, especially with Nick too. 359 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:06.200 I pictured Nick as being a lot older than the 360 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:09.279 actor that's portraying him, and I don't know what that was, 361 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:12.319 if that was the Foe's reading of the character or 362 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:14.960 just you know, they describe him as basically like a 363 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:17.400 British secret agent, but it felt like he was very 364 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.279 world weary to me. So I just pictured somebody a 365 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:23.559 little bit older in my mind, almost like if David 366 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.759 Morse and the actor playing Nick had switched spots. I 367 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.279 could almost see that because I can see David Morse 368 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:33.640 being more of like world weary, and also he would 369 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:35.839 probably make a killer assassin because I usually see him 370 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:37.160 as a bad guy in most movies. 371 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.680 I totally pictured Cary Grant from Charade as Nick, and 372 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.000 that's because I also listened to the Willem Dafoe audiobook, 373 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.279 and Willem Dafoe whenever he goes into Nick, he like 374 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.200 does his British accent and it's carry Grant. It's like 375 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:53.400 that's what he thinks of British accent. I'm sure like 376 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:56.559 I should give Willem Dafoe more credit. He probably doesn't 377 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:59.240 think that that's what a British accent is he's just like, well, 378 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:02.759 doing sort of a you know, Stephen King's version of 379 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:05.519 you know of Hitchcock here. So I'm gonna just make 380 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:07.640 Nick carry Grant. I'm just going to cast him in 381 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:10.039 that role. But I just the way he delivers the lines. 382 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:12.079 I just, I just I'm not going to do a 383 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:14.880 carry Grant impression. I promised, But if you want to 384 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.119 hear a good one. Willem Dafoe, reading the Languelaer. 385 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:21.319 In his mind's eye, he now saw that angel moving 386 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:25.440 not over Egypt, but through Flight twenty nine, gathering most 387 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.799 of the passengers to its terrible breast, not because they 388 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:32.720 had neglected to daub their lintils or their seatbacks, perhaps 389 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:37.279 with the blood of a lamb, but because why because why? 390 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.960 Albert didn't know, but he shivered just the same and 391 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:45.279 wished that creepy old story had never occurred to him. 392 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:50.880 Let my frequent flyers go, he thought, except it wasn't funny. 393 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.839 I'm sad I didn't do the audio book. I feel 394 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.799 like I'm missing out on something big here, guys. 395 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:57.119 He should have been in the movie. 396 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:01.160 Defee was amazing, especially when he's reading to me internal dialogue, 397 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:06.000 and especially reading Toomey's father and Toomey's mother and just 398 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:10.519 Willem Dafoe putting on that voice of like Okay, Craigy 399 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:13.519 Weggy and I'm like, oh man, this is making my 400 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:17.079 skin crawl. Yeah he doesn't, Oh he is all in. 401 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.599 And then yeah, whenever he talks about the big picture, 402 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:25.279 he like really shouts it at you. It's like, okay, yeah, 403 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:26.240 yeah he really. 404 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:27.319 He earned his. 405 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:30.400 Money on that audio com that audio book. That's for sure, 406 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:31.920 sounds amazing. 407 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:32.240 Yeah. 408 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:34.079 The one thing with too me actually, what I found 409 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:36.240 interesting is that there's is you were saying, Mike, there's 410 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.839 no mention of the mother, And then that almost didn't 411 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:42.119 really work for me because all that Craigy Weggy stuff 412 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:45.079 is then transferred onto the father, which I don't even think. 413 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:46.920 I don't think that that was his nickname for a 414 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:48.880 son in the book, or maybe it was, I don't know. 415 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:51.519 Yeah, the whole thing of like his both of his 416 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:56.200 parents were terrible, between the father just drilling all of 417 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:58.720 this into him and like you know, the Langeliers eat 418 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:02.640 up little boys that aren't committed to the big picture 419 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:04.680 and all this kind of stuff, like basically the most 420 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:08.960 a type personality ever, just drilling it into this little boy, 421 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:11.920 and then when he's out of the big picture or 422 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:16.039 when he's not around, you've got the alcoholic mother who 423 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.440 she tortures him somehow. And I'm trying to remember what 424 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:21.240 it is, does she time up or something? 425 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:26.200 It's the cigarette between his toes or match, maybe one 426 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:26.839 or the other. 427 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:29.720 Which kind of plays into the whole life of the 428 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.720 matches thing when it comes to them trying to light 429 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:34.960 the match and not being able to light the match. 430 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:41.599 I love King's take with Toomey. I saw Toomey as 431 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:47.240 like capitalism's fever dream seeing. To me, it's the most 432 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:52.960 painfully American response to metaphysics imaginable. He's terrified of wasting 433 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:57.039 a second, he's shredding paper to self soothe. He's literally 434 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:00.240 being devoured by his own idea of productivity. I think 435 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.920 it's his dad that says, what is it? Lying down 436 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.440 on the job? Is lying down on the job. So 437 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.920 he's screaming that and it's just hilarious and tragic to. 438 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:09.599 Me all at once. 439 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:13.039 And I really loved how King described all of that 440 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:14.720 in the book. So I mean, I'm talking about the 441 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.319 book more than I had about the mini series, but 442 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:19.440 it's something that really stood out to me and really 443 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:20.039 stuck with me. 444 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:22.839 The latest from a twisted imagination of Stephen King are 445 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.720 creatures called Langaliers who will make their way into your 446 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:28.599 home VA mini series. Their purpose to turn an ordinary 447 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:31.480 trip into a flight of terror. If he bravely ventured 448 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.680 to the set in Maine and found our own twisted 449 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.119 tour guide of sorts star of the sci fi thriller 450 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:37.400 at Bronson Pinchot. 451 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.200 How do you feel about Bronson Pinchot? Can we just 452 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.000 talk about Bronson Pinchot for a minute, because I feel 453 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.519 like he's kind of the biggest thing in this mini 454 00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:49.720 series and I went kind of poking around looking at 455 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:53.559 reviews and he's definitely kind of the other than the CGI. 456 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:56.240 Bronson Pinjo's what people are talking about, and it's like 457 00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:57.839 I love it or hate I mean, some people are 458 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:04.400 really enthusiastic about his performance while acknowledging that it's completely 459 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.000 over the top. So it's like I came away going, well, 460 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.319 when does over the top work for the movie? And 461 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:12.799 when when does it not? Does it work for this 462 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:16.640 because it's such a contrast to you know, the rest 463 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.359 of the cast is kind of doing their like you know, 464 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.119 day players on a TV soap opera and they're just 465 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.480 there's a blandness. And then it's like he comes in 466 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.480 just trying to just wreck shop, you know, basically, I 467 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.640 mean just you know, chewing the scenery. And it's strange. 468 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:36.799 I mean I kind of wonder, like, what is Tom 469 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:39.160 Holland as the director, Like is he sitting back going 470 00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:41.759 you know, this doesn't mesh, but it's bringing some life 471 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:43.720 to it. I mean, what must he have been thinking 472 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.839 to just kind of let ronson Pinchot kind of run 473 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:48.960 rough shot over the whole production like that? 474 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:51.200 Is that a positive or a negative? 475 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.799 Even Pinchow's not just his demeanor, but just the way 476 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.400 that his character is made up. With this hair slicked back, 477 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.240 he looks like he's sweaty at all times, and then 478 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.039 he's got black circles around his eyes. He almost looks 479 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.640 like a member of the living dead a lot of 480 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.759 times because he's pale, he's got the black circles, he's 481 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:13.559 got the hair slipped back. I guess he could also 482 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:17.160 be a vampire. I mean, he does look supernatural through 483 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.680 a lot of this, and just like you're saying, he's 484 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:23.440 playing at you know to the hilt every single time 485 00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:26.279 I paid for a ticket to Boston. I'm going to Boston, 486 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.519 just like the most unreasonable person. And it's funny because, 487 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.720 you know, this is nineteen ninety five. We didn't have, 488 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.119 you know, cell phones with cameras and video recordings and stuff. 489 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.720 Now you see this type of behavior. I mean, there 490 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:42.880 was a period of time there, remember when the guy 491 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.519 got ejected from what the United flight and stuff and 492 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.400 just all of these like very notorious like ejections off 493 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.680 of airplanes. To me, is right there? To me is 494 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.720 one of these you know what would they call him 495 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.079 in twenty twenty five of Karen? You know, just like 496 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.599 my needs come before everybody else's needs. I don't care 497 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.119 what anybody else cares. This is my show. I am 498 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:05.200 the main character. It brings that I am the main 499 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.359 character energy to every single time he talks, he's just 500 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.519 so entitled. I want a window seat. Why don't you talk? 501 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.039 No, no, no, no no, why don't you talk to the ticket engagent? 502 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:15.160 I only want to talk to you. 503 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.640 And yeah, the only time he's calm is when he's 504 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:23.079 back ripping pages in a magazine or a newspaper or something. 505 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.720 Is just constant. That's the only thing that seems to 506 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.319 soothe him, which of course we'll talk about more with 507 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:33.880 Timekeepers of Eternity. But yeah, that's it's such a great 508 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:38.039 little character trait or major character trait, and I love that. 509 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.720 At one point, to kind of jump a little bit ahead, 510 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.680 he's in an office and they're looking for him, and 511 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.839 Albert comes in, and so does the Frankie fi Is 512 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:54.400 on character and they look in and nobody sees anything, 513 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.119 and then Albert sees the pile of shredded papers, and 514 00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.720 he's like, he's here. You know. It's like his tell 515 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:01.559 that there's all those shredded papers. 516 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.079 It's funny you should mention vampire actually because in my 517 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.599 notes I wrote down he looks a bit like Bela 518 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.119 Lugosi and I really really noticed it, of course in 519 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.559 Timekeepers because it's in black and white and you can 520 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.359 really see this like black hair. But in the Langoliars 521 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.319 I also noticed as time goes on, he becomes more 522 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.559 pale and more than everybody else. It almost looks like 523 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.880 he just loses all sense of color. So yeah, I 524 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:28.799 found that really interesting because nobody else seems to. 525 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:31.519 I guess that kind of fits too with the whole world, 526 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.640 kind of being sapped of everything in him, just getting 527 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.079 more and more pale, because when he's on the plane 528 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.200 and he's screaming his head off, he's turning almost purple 529 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:40.960 at times. 530 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.680 He's exhausted. By the time they get on the ground, 531 00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.240 he's got nothing left. You've got to recharge. 532 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.759 Can you imagine being in on that set when he's 533 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.640 doing that. I mean, it's just he as an actor, 534 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:54.720 must have been exhausted at the end of every day, 535 00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:56.039 just screaming and carrying on. 536 00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:59.319 I've read a funny story about that. Actually, I don't 537 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.359 know how you know method d Bronson Pinchot is, but 538 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.480 I guess he was, you know, in the dressing room 539 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:06.640 whatever he was rehearsing, he was getting into character. 540 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.480 And and he. 541 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.880 Got really angry because he could hear people outside talking, chatting. 542 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.599 They were being very loud, they were disrupting his process, 543 00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:17.920 and he was in he was in trying to get 544 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:19.240 in character as Craig Jumy. 545 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:20.200 So of course he's. 546 00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:23.160 Angry and very big and entitled in all of this. 547 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.000 And so he leaves the dressing room and goes out 548 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.799 to you know, chastize everyone. Uh and and everybody's kind 549 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.799 of crowded around this guy who's, you know, the center 550 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.079 of attention, and so he decides, this is this is 551 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.359 who I'm going to scold because this is clearly the problem. 552 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.799 The guy turns around and it's Stephen King. So he 553 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:46.200 was very humbled by that and probably slipped out a character. 554 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:47.720 They're like, you know, I imagine that was a moment 555 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.400 where he went more back into like, you know, Balki 556 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:54.200 Bartacamos instead of Craig Jumy. 557 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.480 Yes, you were both saying, I wish we got more 558 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:03.720 of the other characters, perarticularly Laurel, because she's so grounded. 559 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:08.839 She has that maternal instinct, especially in regards to Dinah. 560 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.400 She starts taking care of Dinah, and I think that's 561 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:13.960 a really nice counterpoint to Toomey's mania. So I wish 562 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.640 we got more of that, like more of that balance, 563 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.079 I guess, because yeah, Joe, as you're saying, it's it's 564 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.200 very much so the Toomey show throughout. 565 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.720 I was so confused when Patricia Weddig showed up on screen. 566 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:28.880 I was just like, oh, I didn't know Edie Falco 567 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.440 was in this, And every time she shows up, I 568 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.400 keep thinking it's Edie Falco. She just looks like such 569 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.400 a dead ringer. And I guess it helps that I'm 570 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.480 watched doing a rewatch of the Sopranos, but every single 571 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.039 time I'm just like, oh God, is that caramel. Nope, 572 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:47.680 that's not Edie Falco, that's Patricia Wedding. And Yeah, her 573 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.039 story in the book is interesting, this whole thing of 574 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:54.720 like her exchanging letters with somebody that she doesn't really know, 575 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.880 and she basically is just trying to cast off her 576 00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.480 whole life. I mean, she and Toomey are kind of 577 00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.680 similar in that way of going for it, and to 578 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:07.240 me is on this path of literal self destruction through 579 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:12.240 this entire story. It's interesting how they externalize that. At 580 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.960 the beginning in the airport, when there's the guy chasing 581 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.640 after him and he's just like, you lost all this money, 582 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.680 He's like, yep, I know, and just kind of marches off, 583 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.119 and his whole thing is And I love the metaphor 584 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:28.119 that King uses in the book of the fish that 585 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.440 are so deep that any sort of like change and pressure, 586 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.240 like as they get closer to the surface will just explode. 587 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.799 And he basically is looking forward to going to Boston 588 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.680 and exploding, And I don't know if that means that 589 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.880 his whole life is over or his whole life under 590 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.079 his father's thumb is over, and if he can finally 591 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.000 become his own person. I don't know what his endgame was, 592 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.559 but I really appreciate that he just kind of wanted 593 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.319 to be different and was on that path of coming 594 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.039 to the surface and imploding. 595 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:03.119 Yeah. 596 00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:06.160 I also saw to me as a bit of a 597 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:11.079 opposite to Dinah as well, because they're too They're both 598 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.559 in the same place, and how they're reacting to it 599 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:15.359 seems polar opposite. 600 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:15.680 Right. 601 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:22.039 Dinah believes in the langueliers. She believes in getting them 602 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:26.359 out of this situation where he just completely panics and 603 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:29.720 doesn't think there's a way out. So I would look 604 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:33.160 at them as as polar opposites personally. 605 00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:34.000 Well. 606 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.400 I like the way their characters are married too. When 607 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.119 he starts to see, we see as the audience what 608 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:43.480 he sees through his eyes of everyone else on the 609 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:47.319 plane basically being monsters, and you get his head snapping 610 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.920 from place to place, and then you get Dinah's head 611 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.880 snapping the exact same way in the foreground. That's probably 612 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.119 one of my favorite bits in this whole mini series. 613 00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.200 I was surprising too. I remember I had to rewind 614 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.759 as well because I've was not expecting it to look 615 00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:06.039 so scary, truly, that that was more scary than the 616 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:07.559 actual Langeliers of course. 617 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.160 And Joe, I love what you're saying when you made 618 00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.920 a reference to Hitchcock earlier, and I think you were 619 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.119 making it more in terms of Carrie Grant, but now 620 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.200 that you're saying that this has very much that dynamic 621 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:21.880 of a lifeboat, and you know, we're going to talk 622 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.599 about this a lot as this episode goes on. But 623 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.440 this whole idea of like a group of characters trapped 624 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.960 kind of but like into an enclosed place, and Lifeboat 625 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.119 is such a great example of that. I mean, I 626 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.799 think we're aiming more for Lifeboat, but I think we're 627 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.200 ending up more as Rope, like you're saying, as far 628 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.519 as like the playlike feel of this, and it doesn't 629 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.599 help Rope that it's all you know, the quote unquote 630 00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:52.359 one under interrupted shot, which is definitely not There are 631 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.720 cuts as you go along, and then of course I'm 632 00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:56.599 not even talking about the back of the jacket kind 633 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:58.960 of thing, Like there's a couple like literal cuts in 634 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.279 the movie, this whole idea of all of these disparate 635 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:04.880 characters being brought together. I mean, I just watched the 636 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.280 film Identity two nights ago, and I'm just like, what 637 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.519 are these all aspects of mister Toomey's personality? You know, 638 00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:15.320 But no, it's not. They are very real quote unquote characters. 639 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.639 It's the minimal sets too, And I imagine that must 640 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:21.280 have been part of what was appealing about adapting this 641 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.400 was that it can be so you know contained. I mean, 642 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.960 you really just have like the plane set and then 643 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:31.480 you have I guess technically you have two airport sets, 644 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.840 but I think they were both shot in bang Or airport. 645 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.519 The end doesn't look like Lax. I can't imagine they 646 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.039 shot that. They just got some exterior shots of Lax. 647 00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.159 And then even like the you know, the shots of 648 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.360 the plane in the sky or just cgi. So I 649 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.440 mean it's really contained. And you know, again I go 650 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.559 back to like watching it in nineteen ninety five, and 651 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.159 what a contrast that is to the stand which was 652 00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:57.920 shot you know, all over the country, had so many 653 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.320 you know, different locations and moving parts. And then and 654 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.239 then the Langoliers is you know, it's just so kind 655 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:10.039 of small and and light by comparison, and and you know, 656 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.360 and and where did the budget go? Because obviously these 657 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.920 these big Minnix Stephen King miniseries that were getting these 658 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:18.920 ratings that were like the you know, the kind of 659 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.519 you know, the big moment in in sweep Sweek back 660 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.199 when sweeps Week was a thing. Uh, you know, where 661 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:26.719 did the money go on this one? Did it really 662 00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:30.360 go to the to the c G. I is that 663 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.519 what happened? And I'm curious actually because you did so, 664 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:40.199 did you both read the story before watching the mini series? 665 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:45.000 Because I'm curious then what you pictured the Langoliers like 666 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.840 in your head? Did you have an idea of what 667 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.920 they would look like before seeing the mini series? 668 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:56.599 Do you remember in Spirited Away the little black flofs, 669 00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.400 So I imagined it as them, but instead of having 670 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.519 their cute little faces, it was just teeth. So I 671 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.880 imagine them is very fuzzy with feet, because I think 672 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:11.199 Toomey says at one point that they have feet, or 673 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.559 his father told him that they had feet, But I 674 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.840 didn't imagine them as I don't even know how to 675 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.239 describe them when we actually see them. There these like 676 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:23.719 floating balls with mouths. 677 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.599 So certainly not that in the book. Isn't there a 678 00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:29.039 description that's like bowling balls with teeth? 679 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.880 Oh yeah, I think it might have been tempered. I 680 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.039 might have seen the CGI. I might have that might 681 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.599 have been somewhere in my head. Like I mentioned, they 682 00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:42.440 reminded me of critters. When I was thinking of them, 683 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.400 they reminded me of fiz Gig from the Dark Crystal. 684 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.079 And also they reminded me as far as like the 685 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:54.159 mental picture I had, now this is way out there, 686 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:57.719 it reminded me of the testicle monsters that were on 687 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.679 Rick and Morty. I think it was the Time Cops episode. 688 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:04.679 You still a Time Fraezing Crystal from Testical Monsters. I 689 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.280 would have been happy to pay for it summer, but 690 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.920 they don't exactly sell them at Costco. 691 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.000 That's what I pictured in my head was like kind 692 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.199 of a combination of all those. I definitely pictured them 693 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.920 having like little legs running along, and it was just 694 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.679 a matter of like how little those legs were, because obviously, 695 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.639 like fiz Gig, I think you maybe see Fate, but 696 00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.719 he just is pretty stationary. But yeah, those testical monsters 697 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:27.119 I think moved around pretty well. 698 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.440 It brings the question what would it look like today? 699 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.639 You know, like could this ever be done well and 700 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.800 actually have them be scary? 701 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.559 I was thinking about this what I might want, trying 702 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.239 to come up with a frame of reference from what 703 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:44.559 they could look like, or it's something that had worked 704 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.280 for me, and sort of two things popped into my head. 705 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:51.159 One was the silver Spears and phantasm. You know, it's 706 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.360 a very simple kind of practical effect, but that always 707 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.039 worked or out it was terrified and those things when 708 00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:58.599 I saw phantasm as a kid, and yet it's so simple. 709 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.239 And then the other thing, because they're basically eating reality. 710 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.599 The other thing that conceptually popped into my head was 711 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:05.960 the Nothing from the. 712 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:06.920 Never Ending Story. 713 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.199 So I was just like, oh, if you could combine 714 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.960 those two, sohow then it would work for me? 715 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:13.480 And I think, you know, a lot, with. 716 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.719 A lot of the reviews at least kind of sayings, 717 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.280 what we end up with instead is sort of these 718 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.920 like pac Man Digital, you know, cgi pac Man. Apparently 719 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:26.000 they even when they were designing them, initially they had eyes, 720 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.000 you know, I mean they had like a full face, 721 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:29.679 and then they ended up just going with the teep, 722 00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.800 but eyes would have definitely, maybe even more pac manish, 723 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.480 I think. So it's probably good they didn't go that route. 724 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.639 I don't think anything could have prepared me for seeing them, 725 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.880 because I'm a firm believer and I don't like watching trailers. 726 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:49.119 I don't like spoiling anything, especially visually. So yeah, once 727 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.840 I saw them, I just I was speechless. I'm still speechless. 728 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:57.199 I can see why people didn't talk about this movie 729 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.920 that much other than the CGI. That was the only 730 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.320 thing I was aware of. Like, I even kind of 731 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.159 got this mixed up with I don't know what the 732 00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.440 plot of the Tommy Knockers is, but I kind of 733 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:10.840 got that mixed in here where I was just like, well, 734 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:13.719 which one is this? Is this the Tommy Knockers, This 735 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.599 is the Langoliers. And I think it's just because they 736 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:19.559 have both have kind of silly titles to them, and 737 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.679 you know, Lengoleers is just such a made up thing 738 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.320 made up by mister Toomey's father. Yeah, one of these 739 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.880 has bad CGI and I don't know which one it is, 740 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.119 and I don't know which has an airplane in it. 741 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:35.760 And yeah, when I finally got to see them in 742 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.440 C two, as I'm watching this and they yeah, just 743 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.920 keep building up, building up, building up. I was just like, 744 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.280 my god, the people in nineteen ninety five must have 745 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.400 been so disappointed when they have waited for one night's 746 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.599 worth of thing and they come back the next night 747 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.800 and tune in on ABC at nine o'clock or whatever, 748 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:58.039 and then these things show up. I just can imagine America, 749 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:01.440 you know, uproariously laugh at these things because they were 750 00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:05.400 just so pathetic. You know, this is like worse than 751 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:10.079 asylum level creature effects. And you know, you mentioned the 752 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:12.719 cgi of the airplane. I was like, well, that looks decent. 753 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.159 That looks decent enough, you know, and we'll talk about 754 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.440 how you know, in some of these older things like 755 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.920 the Twilight Zone, it's like some of those shots pretty 756 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.280 laughable some of them. But yeah, the plane here looks good. 757 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:26.480 But man, oh man, once those things come out and 758 00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:30.679 they just do not look like they belong in this 759 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.639 world in this movie. They just look like they're slapped 760 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:38.000 on like a It's almost like a JibJab cartoon or something. 761 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.119 They just have these things in here. It's like, wow, 762 00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.039 I can see why people don't go, oh, did you 763 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.280 ever see the langol ears? 764 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.159 It was a bummer for sure, since we're talking about 765 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.880 the CGI. I mean, obviously the Langoliers is kind of 766 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.280 the big obvious thing, but what about the time rip 767 00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.039 at the at the very end, because that's that's sort 768 00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.920 of the other big thing that I imagine they invested a 769 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:02.519 certain amount of money in and had a lot of 770 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.400 discussions about what the time rip is gonna look like 771 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.320 at the end the end of the film when they 772 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.239 passed through it. I don't think that's as offensive as 773 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:14.079 the the le Angeliers, you know, but it's also feels 774 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.719 to me like they're going for you know, two thousand 775 00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.519 and one of Space Odyssey and really trying to conjure 776 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:21.920 that sense of awe and wonder, and it's just it's 777 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.400 okay CGI. I mean, it's undercut too, but again the 778 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.840 fact that they lean so heavily on dialoge. You've got 779 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:32.079 these characters going through this thing that's supposed to inspire 780 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.880 all in wonder and they're going, it's so beautiful, I'm 781 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.679 so happy. I mean, it's like, wow, wait a step 782 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:41.360 on the moment. Guys, you really didn't trust the quality 783 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.559 of the CGI here. You were just like, we've got 784 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.000 to explain to the audience what they're supposed to be feeling. 785 00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:47.320 Now. 786 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:49.519 It didn't bother me as much. 787 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:50.480 Honestly. 788 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.679 I think it's the fact that I saw the langue ears, 789 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:56.320 and then anything that comes after that is fine in 790 00:41:56.360 --> 00:42:00.719 my books, So I don't even remember what that time 791 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:03.760 war looks like. Actually, now that I'm trying to recall it, 792 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.480 it's all just langoliars. 793 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.360 By the time we got to the end of the film, 794 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.920 I was just like, Okay, at least these aren't the langoliers. 795 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:12.679 It looks fairly decent. It just reminded me of like 796 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.400 a big amaloni shell or something. I almost wish that 797 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.360 it had been a little bit more organic somehow, having 798 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.800 a little rip in time and space in the air. 799 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.079 I mean, I don't know what I'm picturing like when 800 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.280 I read the book or listened to the book, mister 801 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.800 Dafoe described it very beautifully and it sounded great, and yeah, 802 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:36.800 I was definitely a little bit disappointing when I saw 803 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.400 it on screen, but it was not nearly as egregious 804 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.840 as anything else. I think the shots of the airplane 805 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.519 flying away from it and flying into it, and you 806 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.480 just have like that very crisp, clean airplane and then 807 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.719 kind of the colorfulness of the rip just like, Okay, 808 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.840 that's it doesn't look good, but it wasn't laughable. 809 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.159 At least serviceable. 810 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:02.960 Yeah, the serviceable is a great word. 811 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.480 Actually it looked And I know we may talk about 812 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.280 this film later, but I watched Flight World War two 813 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.519 last night, and the CGI and the Langoliers is actually well, 814 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.599 not including the actual angeliers themselves, but the outside shots 815 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.079 of the sky and everything the time where that was 816 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.119 a lot better than Flight World War Two, which came 817 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:23.719 out in twenty fifteen. 818 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.840 I think very brave of you. 819 00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:30.079 I felt so bad for Faran to hear to be 820 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.119 in that movie. I was just like, I like that guy. 821 00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.519 He was such a great villain and iron Man. He 822 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.400 was so great in an escape plan? What are you 823 00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:39.039 doing here? 824 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.000 I couldn't watch it because when you brought it up, 825 00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:44.280 you know, of course, I always think of the Asylum 826 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.320 as like, all right, we're doing the poor man's version 827 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:49.639 of big budget blockbusters, and it's like, okay, do you 828 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:52.719 want to watch the poor man's version of the Langoliers. No, 829 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.880 the Langoliers is the poor man's version of the Langoliers. 830 00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:56.480 I'm good. 831 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.719 I watched Stalker the night before, say, I mentioned that 832 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:04.119 to both of you. So going from Stalker Tarkovsky Stalker 833 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.519 to flight World War two with something else in a way, 834 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.719 it was almost nice to have my brain just have 835 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:14.000 that break, that mental break, and just absorb everything that 836 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:14.840 is the asylum. 837 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:18.840 So yeah, it was amazing to do research on this 838 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:24.719 and to read so many, like actual papers about time 839 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.559 and time travel, and because it's almost like the time 840 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.320 travel takes a side step when it comes to the 841 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.679 Lengoliers because it's basically just this we somehow slipped into 842 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:41.079 the between time, the liminal space between days, and as 843 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.840 a I don't necessarily know how this works because it's 844 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:48.599 like as one day goes away, the next day starts, 845 00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.440 and the Lengo leaders come in and they eat the 846 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.079 previous day. Is what I'm picturing. Is that what you 847 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.559 guys have in your heads as well? 848 00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:58.199 Yeah, I saw them as like a janitorial service. 849 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.719 I was reading so much much about time travel and 850 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.360 this idea of like what happens when when day ends 851 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.840 and the next day begins, and then of course being 852 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:11.280 in the air, and you know, time just is so 853 00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.840 different when you're moving faster than you know, the earth 854 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.519 is rotating and this whole idea I always, you know, 855 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:20.440 joke with my wife whenever we take an airplane trip. 856 00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.920 I'm just like, Okay, we're traveling in time. We're going 857 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.000 to be there, you know, an hour before we actually 858 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.320 left or something like that, or like this whole flight 859 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.199 is only going to take us an hour, but of 860 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.679 course it takes like five hours with the time zone 861 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.679 differences and everything. Oh yeah, well we're leaving it one. 862 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.480 We'll arrive at two in California. I mean, obviously it 863 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.639 doesn't work that way, but so yeah, this whole idea 864 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:43.400 of time. 865 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.119 And just that you have to think of time in 866 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.320 an abstract way. It's been a long time since like 867 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:55.480 you know, basic Western philosophy. But it's like permenodying being 868 00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:59.480 where everything kind of flows together. And then you know, 869 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.480 this is kind of like the theory behind the Langelaer 870 00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:04.079 seems to be a bit more like kind of like 871 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.440 the film strip version of time, or each moment is 872 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.360 kind of discreete and separate from the moment before in 873 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.639 the moment after, So it's like each discreet moment has 874 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:18.880 its own life, and you know, whatever the clean up 875 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.400 crew has to come in when that moment is done, 876 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:22.599 clear the way. 877 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.159 For the next one, whatever parton. 878 00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:25.719 I mean, this is where like you have again, it's 879 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:27.519 like the dialogue in the story. I think it's the 880 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.039 writer who gets to kind of explain all of this 881 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.480 conceptually to people, which I don't know does that I mean, 882 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:39.119 it's interesting, it's really interesting conceptually. Is it scary or 883 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:40.360 is it just sort of you. 884 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:42.199 Know, mind mind boggling. 885 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.480 Does it pull you into the story or does it 886 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.639 pull you out of the story to get this abstract. 887 00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:52.119 Once the Dean Stockel character brings up time travel, I'm 888 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.079 just like, well, is it time travel? Because not knowing 889 00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.719 the story whatsoever, when I'm listening to to tell it, 890 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:03.559 like when they land, is it going to be prehistoric times? 891 00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.639 Is it going to be the future? Like what actually 892 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:07.239 is going on? 893 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:07.920 You know? 894 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:11.119 Below? Because I know when they are trying to raise 895 00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:14.440 other people on the radio, like there's a mention like 896 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.880 maybe they had a war down below? Like who knows 897 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:18.639 what's happening? 898 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:18.920 You know? 899 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:23.079 And you know, one of the most famous rapture stories 900 00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:25.360 that we have in twenty twenty five is the Left 901 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.199 Behind series where yeah, half the population or however many 902 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:33.199 people disappear and our main character is Oh god, he's 903 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:38.079 got that amazing name like Steel or something. Is is 904 00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:40.599 his first or last name? The Nick Cage character or 905 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:45.280 if you prefer the Kirk Cameron character, I guess if 906 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:48.679 he played the pilot anyway, that is, you know, what's 907 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.400 happening on Earth and then does that happen in the 908 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.760 sky as well, because yeah, the pilot gets raptured and everything. 909 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:56.400 So I'm just like, well, what's gonna happen, What's going 910 00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.639 to happen when they land? And then it's just this 911 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.679 kind of weird between time. I'm just like, oh, okay, 912 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.440 well that's interesting. But I was really picturing something a 913 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:06.559 lot bigger when they landed on that plane. 914 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.840 I mean, it worked better like reading King than it 915 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.920 does on camera. But I find this idea of being 916 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:20.280 stuck in slightly the past just so terrifying, so much 917 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.920 more terrifying than traveling back in time, you know, to 918 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.679 prehistoric time or any other time. And there was that 919 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.119 who is it by? It's by Daniels. I think it 920 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:35.119 is what happens to the present when it becomes the past. 921 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.639 It's an argument of the moving spotlight theory. And I 922 00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:44.599 think King really describes that well, it's Daniels argues basically 923 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:48.719 that the Langaliers follow a philosophical model known as the 924 00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:53.360 moving spotlight theory, where all moments exist but think of 925 00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:57.960 it as like a police spotlight, so only what's being 926 00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:01.760 shown is the now, and everything else is still there, 927 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:04.480 but it's just not I don't even know how to 928 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.880 explain it. You're right, Joe, it's hard to explain. But 929 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:10.679 the theory itself, that the way that makes the most 930 00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:13.199 sense to me is the moving spotlight and what's shining 931 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.599 bright is is is the now. 932 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.440 That's what I was talking about earlier, when I was saying, 933 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.079 like the film strip version of TI, which I think 934 00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.159 was something that I first read that Ingmar Bergmann maybe 935 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.000 was talking about that, like you know, it's you know, 936 00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:27.559 the light's only going through kind of one frame at 937 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:29.800 a time, and that's you know, that's the spotlight. That's 938 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:33.039 what you're talking about, and everything else doesn't exist because 939 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:34.039 the light's not on it. 940 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:36.760 Everything that happens now is happening now. 941 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.440 What happened then? Pass it? When just now? Wear it now? 942 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:40.840 Now? 943 00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:42.719 Go back to then? When now? 944 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:43.559 Now? Now? 945 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.039 I can't why we missed it? When just now? When 946 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.039 will then be now soon. 947 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:54.440 Story wise, I like the ending, and to me it 948 00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:56.800 it sort of does feel like, you know, Stephen King 949 00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.599 grew up reading a lot of science fiction before he 950 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.400 became a horror guy. I think he was, you know, 951 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.239 was a very voracious sci fi reader. And there's a 952 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:09.760 kind of like traditional sci fi optimism almost in that 953 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.840 kind of sense of wonder and all at the end 954 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:13.960 about like reality being born. 955 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:15.239 I like that. 956 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.000 I think that's maybe for the story, that's what kind 957 00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.159 of elevates it a little bit above just a Twilight 958 00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:22.880 Zone episode, because the Twilight Zone episode would leave you 959 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.880 hanging with kind of a twist, and this actually does 960 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.039 feel like, you know, a story that kind of comes 961 00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:29.239 full circle. 962 00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.440 And you have an idea of where it might end. 963 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.199 Up based on where you've been, and it tries to 964 00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:37.920 take you somewhere completely different and sort of thwart your expectations. 965 00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.719 It's really hard for me to remember how surprised I 966 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:45.360 was when I read the story as a whatever, twelve 967 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:47.840 year old, but I remember really liking it, So I 968 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:50.960 feel like I probably was surprised by that ending and 969 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.519 kind of gratified by that. 970 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.079 Yeah, I'd like that whole idea of them catching up 971 00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.360 to time, and especially in the book where we get 972 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.679 to see or hear about the way that color is 973 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.920 kind of coming back into the world and that they 974 00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:08.000 can hear things before they actually see them, and it's 975 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.280 just like, yeah, being brought into it. And the one 976 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.960 little kid who's just like, Oh, it's the new people, 977 00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.519 and they're like, is that us? Are we the new people? Yeah, 978 00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:19.679 we're the new people. This is great. And there is 979 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:21.800 a day New Mall in the book that I don't 980 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.760 think that we definitely don't get in the movie, and 981 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:26.960 I'm trying to remember exactly how it goes, but it 982 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:31.639 is more kind of wrapping up the whole Nick Hopewell character. 983 00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:35.400 Nick Hopewell is the British assassin that's played by Mark 984 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:40.320 Lindsay Chapman. He and Laurel they fall in love in 985 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.119 the period of the story, and he kind of wants 986 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.599 to redeem himself. There's this whole thing about how he 987 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.079 had murdered some children who were throwing potatoes that were 988 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.719 painted like grenades or something, and he needed to her 989 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:58.519 to go back to someone and kind of like explain 990 00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.599 what had happened, and we don't get that at all. 991 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:05.960 I think that's perfectly fine for this mini series to 992 00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.079 not have that denu mal in there. 993 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:11.719 But that could be the fourth hour of the mini series. 994 00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:14.760 Yes, it could, like her looking up the person and 995 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.119 going to visit and all that stuff. They wrap it 996 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:20.039 up really quickly in the book, and it was just like, okay, 997 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.239 I could have actually done for a little bit more 998 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.079 of like and here's what this like almost like a 999 00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:27.599 you know, animal house type ending. And then this person 1000 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:29.800 went here, and this person went here, and this person 1001 00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.199 did this, you know, and this person was killed by 1002 00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:34.000 his own troops, those kind of things. 1003 00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:38.440 Yeah, the way the film ends was just I couldn't 1004 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:40.480 believe it. That freeze frame of them all jumping. 1005 00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:43.519 I was surprised that I didn't do a naked gun 1006 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.119 thing and like everybody else moves, but they're frozen in 1007 00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:48.079 time kind of thing. I guess that's an opposite of 1008 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:49.079 a naked gun ending. 1009 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:51.920 They went for the after school special ending. 1010 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.599 But yeah, Marto, you mentioned the idea of stalker, and 1011 00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:58.960 I was curious how you see stalker and time relating 1012 00:52:59.039 --> 00:52:59.880 to the lingual. 1013 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:05.199 It made more sense to me when you compare Tarkovski 1014 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:11.119 to King's story. Langoliers on paper and also timekeepers of 1015 00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:16.360 eternity less so when you're watching The Langoliers. But let 1016 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.599 me see if I can fumble my way through this, 1017 00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:22.679 I guess. But thinking about Stoker while I was reading 1018 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.079 The Langoliers really helped me take a step back and 1019 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:29.519 look at the story in a more abstract sense, because personally, 1020 00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:33.679 I've always been drawn to how different artists, either through 1021 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:37.360 writing or film, deal with fears that's around the passage 1022 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:42.079 of time, and so with the Langoliers in Stoker, I 1023 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.960 see them both circling around how people behave when the 1024 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:52.039 laws of time stop making emotional sentence. In particular, so 1025 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:58.639 with Tarkovsky's Stalker, specifically, characters try to surrender to look 1026 00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:03.039 at hope, while while King's characters and the Langlaars they strategize. 1027 00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:08.440 So it's different cultures answering the same sort of existential question. 1028 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:12.719 Tarkovski he always said cinema was sculpting in time. He 1029 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.199 has his book as well, called Sculpting in Time, and 1030 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.239 he seems to treat time like clay, so something that 1031 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:24.039 still holds fingerprints. And in Stalker, that's why I rewatched 1032 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:25.719 it to see if I could make sense of this. 1033 00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.880 There's so many interpretations with that movie, but to me, 1034 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.599 time seems to slow down when they enter the zone, 1035 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:36.599 so memory has weight. There's something in that silence that 1036 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.440 you can feel. The zone itself, it's filled with decay, 1037 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:43.679 but that decay kind of feels sacred. You have that 1038 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:48.679 water that's constantly dripping, that abnormal fog rolling in like 1039 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:52.400 it just feels otherworldly. And so there's a moment when 1040 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:56.440 the Stalker and the two men they first enter the zone, 1041 00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.960 and this really struck me. They say how the flowers 1042 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:03.000 are so beautiful, but they have no scent, that they 1043 00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:06.760 look alive, but something essential is gone. And that's that 1044 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:10.320 same uncanny feeling, as we were saying, runs through the langoliers, 1045 00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:13.519 where what is it? The sandwich tastes strong, the beer 1046 00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.840 is flat. It's the same thing where if things feel 1047 00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.199 or look intact, but they aren't. So these are both 1048 00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:22.679 worlds that are haunted by absence. Let's say by this 1049 00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:29.119 idea that beauty and reality can survive in form but 1050 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.960 lose its essence. So what fascinates me is about how 1051 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:35.599 each world, the world in stock or the world's languliers, 1052 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.920 how they react to that loss. So Tarkowsky's characters they 1053 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.920 try to slow down, They try to find hope or grace, 1054 00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.400 which you could even compare it to what Dinah does. 1055 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:50.079 Where King's panic, especially to me, he's that corporate embodiment 1056 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.440 of Western time anxiety. So he's wasting We're terrified of 1057 00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:57.559 wasting a single second. So when time stops for him, 1058 00:55:57.679 --> 00:55:59.840 this thing that he's obsessed with, it breaks his world. 1059 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.599 You The way I see it is there are two 1060 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.679 sides of the same coin. Here what King's trying to 1061 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:09.559 say in Tarkovsky, they're both trying to survive a moment 1062 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:13.679 when time refuses to cooperate, but they just look approach 1063 00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:16.880 it from opposite ends of the spectrum. Stalker zone is 1064 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.719 this cathedral where time echoes and gives us hope. Langs 1065 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:24.280 is what's the opposite of a cathedral, like a warehouse 1066 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:28.039 where the echo doesn't exist right, And then you look 1067 00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:32.360 at the langoliers and visually how everything looks I guess 1068 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.440 quote unquote cheap or the flat lighting. All of that 1069 00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.199 kind of fits because the world's supposed to feel unfinished, 1070 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.119 and the most haunting thing isn't the monsters, it's the 1071 00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:44.320 ambiance of the empty airport terminal and where everything's kind 1072 00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.480 of present, but not truly alive. So when I think 1073 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:50.119 about it, if you think about Tarkovsky and King with 1074 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.719 these works of art, they're both just artists wrestling with 1075 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:56.320 the same fear, which is that time might abandon us 1076 00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.199 before we figure out what it was for you look 1077 00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:01.920 at that and bring in the other element, which I 1078 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:04.360 know we're going to talk about with Timekeepers. But what 1079 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.239 Timekeepers of Eternity does. It makes that passage of time 1080 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:13.039 literal again. So the paper tearing and folding actually sculpts 1081 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.679 time the way Tarkovsky described. So that's kind of the 1082 00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:20.199 bridge between the two. You have Tarkovsky's metaphysical patients kings 1083 00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:24.840 anxiety brought to life in Timekeepers. So that's kind of 1084 00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:25.760 what I was thinking. 1085 00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:29.039 I think that's great. Yeah, and I love the whole 1086 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.480 idea of the flowers not having the smell and the 1087 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:35.599 things not having the taste, and yeah, you get into 1088 00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.239 And that's the thing I love about Stalker is there's 1089 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:43.920 not a real clear reason. I know in the book 1090 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.519 there's more about the aliens that have come in and 1091 00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.960 them trying to get alien artifacts and things. But I 1092 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:54.079 think Tarkowski memory serves it's been a minute since I've 1093 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:56.599 seen it, but he doesn't necessarily play that up. If anything, 1094 00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.559 it's more just like there's something wrong here and he's 1095 00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:04.800 not exactly outward about what's going on, and you know 1096 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.360 what happens in this place, and the mystery becomes the 1097 00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:11.599 reason why I want to see what's in there. And 1098 00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:15.440 it's so minimal as far as like, I don't remember 1099 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:18.239 very many special effects other than a water glass moving, 1100 00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.039 but it freaks you the fuck out. 1101 00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:25.679 I just keep going back to Tarkovsky's obsession with time 1102 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.320 and how he plays around with it and tries to 1103 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.559 slow it down, and also just just faith as well. 1104 00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.159 It really made me think about the Langaliers in terms 1105 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.159 of faith and Dinah and why her arc is so 1106 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:40.519 moving to me is she's the one character who senses 1107 00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:43.760 something otherworldly or I guess we could say holy for 1108 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:48.320 the sake of this conversation in the emptiness. That's similar 1109 00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:52.239 to me to Stalker, the character of the Stalker himself 1110 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.320 and his faith of the zone and the room in 1111 00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:55.880 the zone. 1112 00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:58.239 In the novel too, Stephen King really does sort of 1113 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:02.400 present her as they sort of angelic figure. You know, 1114 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:05.760 there's there's definitely like a transcendent quality to her, not 1115 00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:07.719 just for Toomey, but kind of in the way that 1116 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:08.800 King describes her. 1117 00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:11.559 Joey, you obviously know a lot more than I do 1118 00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.800 about that. But the whole thing about children is truth seers, right, Yeah, 1119 00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:20.519 Dina's Dinah Dinah. Her blindness turns that idea inside out. 1120 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.199 She can't see the world, but she perceives its soul. 1121 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:25.840 Third eye that King talks about. 1122 00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:28.840 All the children characters in his and his work in general, 1123 00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:31.239 tend to have that, you know, sort of a purity 1124 00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:32.599 that the adults never have. 1125 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:35.320 And that she has a connection with. To me that 1126 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:38.079 she says, you're gonna need him, We're going to need him. 1127 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:42.760 Don't kill this guy, and actually makes Nick question himself 1128 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:47.320 and not outright gank to me, and then is able 1129 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:52.719 to see the world through Toomey's eyes, through this madman's eyes, 1130 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.199 and that for her is beautiful. She's never been able 1131 00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:58.639 to see before, but now she can see through this 1132 00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:02.199 person's eyes and can see the people that have been 1133 01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:05.559 helping her. And like you said, that that mother figure, 1134 01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:08.199 she can actually see her and I have that connection, 1135 01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.159 which she wouldn't have been able to do without. To 1136 01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:14.519 me and his I think his madness is the key 1137 01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:18.559 to her entry through his eyes, and I think we 1138 01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:21.639 just see that, Like I mentioned, the whole idea of 1139 01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:24.880 the head turning and those kind of things, seems to 1140 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:27.679 be the moment of them really making that connection. Though 1141 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:30.639 she can. We see little shots of her like kind 1142 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.719 of twisting her head, tilting her head when you know, like, oh, 1143 01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:37.199 this person passes by, it's almost like she knows what 1144 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.920 they're thinking, or knows this person is going to be 1145 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:41.360 important in my life pretty soon. 1146 01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:43.360 I think you gotta be careful here. 1147 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:47.079 This is turning into a really, really interesting and thoughtful 1148 01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:49.280 conversation and people are going to hear this and say, oh, 1149 01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:51.360 I should really go watch The Langoliers. It sounds like 1150 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.519 a very smart movie. And then then what will you 1151 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:53.960 have done? 1152 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:56.039 All right, we're going to take a break and we'll 1153 01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:58.559 be back with an interview with the writer and director 1154 01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.840 of The Langoaliers, Tom Holland. It's kind of a rough 1155 01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.360 quality interview. I tried my best to make sure that 1156 01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:08.320 it sounds pretty decent. Hopefully you'll be able to hear everything. 1157 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.760 Mister Holland gave some great insight to the making the film. 1158 01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.760 And we'll be back with that right after these brief messages, 1159 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:18.480 looking for something superior to streaming, a place with more 1160 01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:22.519 than five times the selection available on all streaming services combined. 1161 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:26.360 Check out Scarecrow Videos Rent by mail service. Select from 1162 01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:29.840 an unparalleled collection of over one hundred and fifty thousand films. 1163 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:33.320 I'd get Blu rays, four k's and DVDs delivered directly 1164 01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:36.079 to your door. Get in on it now at scarecrow 1165 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:49.559 dot com and rediscover the wonders of physical media. So 1166 01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:53.639 you had just done the temp in nineteen ninety three 1167 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:57.360 and then Langaliers, when does that project come to? Is 1168 01:01:57.400 --> 01:01:58.119 that ninety four? 1169 01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:02.360 I think the Stab, which was not a great experience, 1170 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:08.199 and I did Thinner, and then I got Bell's falsey 1171 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.199 on dinner and you have me do a doctor right away, 1172 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.719 and I decided that business was trying to kill me. 1173 01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:21.760 I'd had walking pneumonia on Fatal Gunity. Fatal Beauty had 1174 01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:25.159 a lot of night shots in it, and it went 1175 01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:30.039 back reports every week between staying up. They say a 1176 01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:33.199 five day week, but a five day weekended on Saturday 1177 01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:36.360 morning at dawn. And I did that for half a 1178 01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:40.239 longer payment Beauty and I got weird and ship within 1179 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:46.079 the monument then when I died Bell's palsy. It was 1180 01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:49.400 just at the start of dinner. I did a couple 1181 01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.960 of names before starting seen and they had me set 1182 01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:57.039 up for the cinematographer up in Toronto. They had a 1183 01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.679 private plane waiting when I walked family and I have 1184 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.159 a knack my pace and got around my kneecass. They 1185 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.559 didn't want to lose the money they spent to the 1186 01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:11.599 private plane. We didn't get me to a doctor. They 1187 01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:15.840 took me up to Toronto instead, and that was a Saturday, 1188 01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:18.760 so I didn't give him to see a doctor until 1189 01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:22.760 a Monday. They get in your shot of something to 1190 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:27.119 take down the swelling and the two god damn the lake. 1191 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:31.000 And after that I decided the business is going to 1192 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:33.719 kill me. But I kept on doing it, and I 1193 01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:38.400 said to hell with it. I basically was tired. I 1194 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:42.239 want the correction of short sponge ball domestic behindre. I 1195 01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:46.519 thank untold Tales. And then I wrote The Fight Night 1196 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:49.800 and I have a new Fight Night novel coming out 1197 01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:50.840 with mado Habrn. 1198 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.880 Have you met Stephen King before you made the Langoliers? 1199 01:03:55.760 --> 01:04:00.280 No, I haven't. I only met him because I shot 1200 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:04.039 in the Bangor, which I since Morrispeaks is trying un 1201 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.360 warmth in the main. He came down and playing a 1202 01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:11.920 small party when Eman Believers, and that's when I met him. 1203 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.400 You know, I don't have the picture anymore. Oh. One 1204 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.920 of the funniest things I ever saw was why he 1205 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:22.400 was waiting. He was sitting in a chair and reading. 1206 01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:25.760 But he's the local newspaper. And I looked at what 1207 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:29.039 who was reading. It was Neil Bits. He's a very 1208 01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:32.239 nice guy. By the way. He's a high school language 1209 01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:35.559 changer from my nineteen sixty eight. That's a lot of 1210 01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:38.840 them who happens to be brilliant and all his storytelling. 1211 01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:46.559 But anyway, Lang Believers was a novella and they were 1212 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:51.079 the first story in a book that he have was 1213 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.960 to bunch of short stories and not that another name. 1214 01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:57.480 I think it's four past midnight, thank you. 1215 01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:02.039 That was there, and I thought it was terrific as 1216 01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:06.679 a material. And what we had done was we havn't 1217 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:14.079 written Thrones. It was more instructured like the screenplay, the storyline, 1218 01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:20.480 and he told them throws that new structure was laid out. 1219 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:25.800 I thought it was very strong for n shirt. He 1220 01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:30.280 putte how many hours were do you remember I think three, 1221 01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:36.559 three or four. Anyway, it was a huge amount of work, Yeah, 1222 01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:39.400 because that was helped a banger in the nactual airport 1223 01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.719 in the bed of summer, of the height of terrest season, 1224 01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:48.159 and it was supposed to be a totally abandoned the airport, 1225 01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:53.039 so I was shooting him around the nassive summer crowds 1226 01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.559 coming into the gold folks of Maine during the summer. 1227 01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:01.960 The one I went to avoid domin getting sound getting 1228 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.840 dialogue with difficult till but I have turned the sound 1229 01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:12.639 people for uphant job. It was easy to adapt because 1230 01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:16.599 I thought the story was so strong when I had 1231 01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:20.920 read it, and initially I couldn't put it down, and 1232 01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:25.639 I don't have that reacting to very much. So it 1233 01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:29.280 was with gung hold of doing it. There's a gret 1234 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:36.079 chance for comedy and also for character to a moral tale. 1235 01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:40.559 So now that seems like an episode out of Tales 1236 01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:45.119 of the Trips when I look at it. Getting Meddle Lenande, 1237 01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:51.599 he has a features a Laurel tale moral Joey Fitz 1238 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:54.639 gets slopped at the end. The one that I really 1239 01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:58.360 loved was letting the leaves and then what happened was 1240 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.440 I thought it was three weeks the perfect until the 1241 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:05.679 very end with the lango is and the CGI was 1242 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:10.679 just coming in and Tom Barrow I think was the 1243 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:11.960 name of the fellow. 1244 01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:16.599 Who did it, and he is desperate to make them 1245 01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:19.920 seem like they were in the plate. You know, your 1246 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:23.039 teaching the shot of the scene and then you put 1247 01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:28.599 the monsters in. But the way that that was done, Martins. 1248 01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:31.760 Weren't turning up so was obviously to be on top 1249 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:36.440 of the piece of film, and the producer, Tom barrm 1250 01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:39.360 begged him to give him another day the minute to 1251 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.239 journey it up to make it more like it was 1252 01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:46.280 in the singing, and the permissioners to him cheat to 1253 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:51.800 do it, and that was another God help me. So 1254 01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:54.960 if you get involved with the studio, he got a 1255 01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.360 better chance of not being beaten up for money when 1256 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:02.360 you begin an independent production. From that was Law Entertainment 1257 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.480 the snow Are Outfit. When they were shooting as out 1258 01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:10.880 I had a look at cast. We reversed. I don't know. 1259 01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:14.880 I remember that this was just when OJ was running 1260 01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:17.920 down the freeway in the white front or whatever. It 1261 01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:21.000 was reversing all of us the running end of the 1262 01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:23.119 TV to see we're going to happen the oja on 1263 01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:29.199 the freeway, and I had a great cinematographer, all maid Bone. 1264 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.279 It's a lot of work. They don't realize that they 1265 01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:37.159 walked me out those planes and moving outside the actual 1266 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.960 goddamn planes. I mean that you know how big they 1267 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:45.880 are and I'm sitting here trying to direct them. I 1268 01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:50.720 think they will be fall but those trucks that grabbed 1269 01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:54.640 them to take them under the yielding dog. It was 1270 01:08:54.720 --> 01:09:01.119 a very difficult in top time and sauce. Ind but 1271 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:05.159 I was very happy with the accept where the langueliers 1272 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:06.039 he get very young. 1273 01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:08.439 How was it working with David Morrise? 1274 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:14.079 I terrific. David is a sensational actor. I don't know 1275 01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:18.039 why he hasn't gotten I guess everybody knows who he is. 1276 01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:22.279 But he's so talented. He would have thought that he 1277 01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:24.119 can put my bigger names, though I don't know what 1278 01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:28.079 the story of. He's also huge. He's like sixty two 1279 01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:32.600 or sixty three, and I was always intimidated by his size. 1280 01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:36.079 All of them, I thought all of them were very good. 1281 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:39.079 I had been able to rehearse for a good week. 1282 01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:43.840 On a rehearsal, he was already working and dramatically. I 1283 01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:47.520 didn't have to pay for it too. I knew what 1284 01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:51.079 I wanted to do drammatically. He learned how to direct 1285 01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:53.880 light it. He answer a lot of those quick things 1286 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.760 before you get on the floor. I think it was 1287 01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:00.279 very successful or no on TV and its see if 1288 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:04.039 they're hoigh rating and then I feel what they disappeared. 1289 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.000 I don't know if it's ever gotten the four kay. 1290 01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:11.399 I don't think it has yet now well yet if 1291 01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:11.800 that was. 1292 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.000 Ninety four, hell, I'm sure he had spent twenty five 1293 01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:19.159 thirty five years ago. I don't think it's going to 1294 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:23.439 happen or shout factory now that you need them. Hey, 1295 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.920 Bob Emmer, right out there, Bob, Bob Emmer is a 1296 01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:31.640 very nice man. In LUNs in Felts Learnshell. 1297 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:35.640 How was it directing so many people all at the 1298 01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:40.000 same time, those compositions and just maintaining with all of 1299 01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:42.520 those actors all at once, because it felt like you 1300 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:46.279 had that entourage of people in front of the camera 1301 01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:49.439 so often and gived universals. 1302 01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:53.439 I told them what I was going to do. It 1303 01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:56.359 doesn't mean I was able to because everything so much 1304 01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:59.560 of what I was doing is determined by avoiding the crowds, 1305 01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:02.640 so I couldn't see it that way, but I'd be 1306 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:06.399 shooting in the corner, you know what I mean. It's 1307 01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:08.359 a lot of work, but I've really tuned together and 1308 01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:11.640 be living with it. Or a younger guy and I 1309 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:14.159 were dealing with a live airport and was supposed to 1310 01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:17.800 be totally deserted. I was out on the run where 1311 01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:21.840 finding a planes go this wayter that way, and here 1312 01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:26.239 I was one small human being but two or three huge, 1313 01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.239 a seven part of seven gaving around and I wasn't 1314 01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:33.479 doing now. But it's a lot of fun. Then I'm 1315 01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:35.880 so happy about and you're asking about Land and r 1316 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:39.199 He've been very badly and I feel like I did 1317 01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:42.640 burn along the ends finding see and then I see 1318 01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:43.920 what it's been forgotten. 1319 01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:48.640 What's a terrific adaptation. What you chose to leave in 1320 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:50.600 and what you took out and what you added. It 1321 01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:54.560 all just plays so perfectly, and it's such a tight story. 1322 01:11:55.439 --> 01:12:00.439 The story was strong to begin with, I remember and 1323 01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:05.560 focusing it and I bought myself a fan that I 1324 01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:09.840 could put a book on, and her glasses and then 1325 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:13.079 my computer and I've got walked out it that way. 1326 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:20.399 All the cat Froch. They re rehearsed it so they 1327 01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:23.600 see if you rehearse it, and it's a lot quicker 1328 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.960 to shoot. You don't have to spend as much time 1329 01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:30.079 with the actors because you walk down a lot of 1330 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:35.760 the leunatic problems along the way. And I remember that 1331 01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:38.720 I ran that in reversal, the whole thing all the 1332 01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:43.159 way through, and it played like a plane. We think 1333 01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:45.680 you've been on the stage. You couldn't stop watching it, 1334 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:49.239 Strongty Centurion stevie k. 1335 01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:53.039 I mentioned those rehearsals helped a lot too when it 1336 01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.880 came to all the interiors in the airplane, just because 1337 01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:00.640 that must have been very difficult unless you had more 1338 01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:03.520 room than it looks like, because it's such a confined 1339 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:04.560 space that set. 1340 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:08.920 You know they brought I've an old plane when playing 1341 01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:14.000 Graveyard in California, which is somewhere else. That's right, you 1342 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:20.840 see it it's spectacted by thousands of planes. Well, they 1343 01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:24.560 had a point that they brought out from there to 1344 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:30.359 ben Remain in a hangar, all iron number and I 1345 01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:34.880 can't live a house. The floor was flywood and if 1346 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:40.439 I tried to move on it, I mean, dolly, it shocked. 1347 01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:44.560 I couldn't move the camera because I didn't have a 1348 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.720 steady floor. Every shot in that plane had to be 1349 01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:51.920 fixed and then they had got movement handheld once but 1350 01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:56.560 it was living lining limited, so much of it was 1351 01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:00.880 limited mid in terms of the Frameman because of the 1352 01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:07.960 wide airport, huge planes moving outside. Firewood for in the 1353 01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:11.920 plane was not used for two of them. He's very 1354 01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:15.359 strong and I think to catch this ricum. 1355 01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:20.520 I always love to see Bronson Pinchot, and just the 1356 01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:23.199 intensity of his performance was wild. 1357 01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:29.079 I haven't seen him Blossom being nourishment, but I loved Boson. 1358 01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:34.640 Now the wrap on Bronson, it's a little bit true. 1359 01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:42.239 Blossom is such a Gnomy relative and so fallo it blossoon. 1360 01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:46.520 It is brilliant and I haven't seen him for the years, 1361 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:48.520 and I was him bring an active. There's a brilliant 1362 01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:53.199 person and he's a collector. Glosson and give his personas 1363 01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:57.319 to working is excellent and then even keep on going. 1364 01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:02.800 So there's a problem. Water was helping him get to 1365 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.359 the point where he was little be terrific, and then 1366 01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:08.079 it was grabbing all of him and saying stay here 1367 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:12.560 because we went too far. It came over acting and 1368 01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:14.920 I saw him in New York and then I lost 1369 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:21.720 truck to him. But we alsoon collected antiques, and he 1370 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:25.880 knew we had many interests, and he knew deeply about 1371 01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:29.359 all of them when you all are the near or 1372 01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:31.680 less or aesthetic out of the day. So I have 1373 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:33.800 a great news you. And I saw that he was 1374 01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:36.840 doing some TV show many years ago when it was 1375 01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:40.680 going on and were having houses or something. Yeah, I 1376 01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:43.800 didn't remember. I liked to be a whole lot and 1377 01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:45.239 fun John. 1378 01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:48.880 And then of course I love seeing Dean Stockwell and 1379 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:50.960 he oh, he's so solid. 1380 01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:54.359 He had been doing it for so long. I couldn't 1381 01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:57.600 get him a fill up for reboseness. And you know 1382 01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:02.399 why he wanted to play golf. He was a gol fanatic. 1383 01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:05.199 That's all he thought about whenever he was in the 1384 01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:07.000 front of the camera and he was trying to find 1385 01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:10.279 him your golf course. That's what he was like them. 1386 01:16:11.239 --> 01:16:14.359 And I mean, if you don't look at his career 1387 01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:16.720 and if he started as a boy with the green hair, 1388 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:21.119 how old was he then? Eight nine years old? My gosh, 1389 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:26.279 what a career. When I was editing, whenever I got 1390 01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:30.920 stuck for a reaction, I went to Dan because he 1391 01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:34.000 was such a pro. But if I had a group, 1392 01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:37.439 sat a swing shot or a fourth dot, and they 1393 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:40.640 will all listening to somebody else, somebody actors. You said, 1394 01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:47.720 gone but not giving me reaction shots and added because 1395 01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:50.279 he knew and I would have done sally d in 1396 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:53.800 the editing room and be destined to get a reaction shot, 1397 01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:59.159 cut away or whatever. And he was bos alive and reacted. 1398 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.239 We never went I'm not in this. I'm not speaking 1399 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:05.720 that out in doing anything. You'd never liked that. You 1400 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:10.760 never about to Bob where you have ensemble's and Bland 1401 01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:12.199 Nurse was a non solvit. 1402 01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:17.720 Yeah, very solid performances from everybody, including the little girl 1403 01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:18.520 that was blind. 1404 01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.720 She had been the leave I think in the Secret 1405 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:29.319 Garden just before that, I think directed by agues Holland 1406 01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:31.800 my name, No, I don't know why I'm thinking that. 1407 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:33.760 Yeah, it could be in Jessica Holland. 1408 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:39.000 Yeah, but that's where she came from. She had just 1409 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:43.359 come in through a very big movie. She was very talented. 1410 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:48.000 And then it costs Steven's book. See when she's dying, 1411 01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:51.560 she's popping her blood. So I put love in another 1412 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:55.479 lips when the network adc. Absolutely, we had a bit 1413 01:17:56.279 --> 01:18:00.239 that I had taken a girl that young and like 1414 01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:03.359 one on the list and run and die. I remember that. 1415 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:06.920 I don't be thinking how horrible it was they took 1416 01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:11.319 they went in, and they went in. It's sieging and 1417 01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:16.760 tried to brought out the fox and bought on our lips. 1418 01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:21.840 I don't like after the legalise you did Thinner. You 1419 01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:24.000 were talking about that earlier with the Bell's palsy. Bet. 1420 01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:25.800 I was curious how that project came to you. Was 1421 01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.680 it okay, I like doing the Stephen King stuff or 1422 01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:29.119 how was that? 1423 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:34.600 I think it was And I think it was because 1424 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:38.079 lears came out so well, they're going to be shot 1425 01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:42.720 so well, which I think, and musing experience for Laurel 1426 01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:47.760 Entertainment and she why about the CEO dance said ductually 1427 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:52.319 they didn't tales and you know they didn't sales the 1428 01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:56.880 dark Side maybe yeah. Then but then the meeting when 1429 01:18:57.159 --> 01:19:02.920 signed that found Finner, but Thinner was not a success. 1430 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:08.039 I'm never quite industry live. And I think I thought 1431 01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:12.000 it was the ending it was the moral of the 1432 01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:16.680 story was more. The moral of the story was that 1433 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:21.000 that moral jelly that Pigman good Tennis going on to 1434 01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:25.119 switch to the end which is Billy Howard. And I 1435 01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:31.000 had Robert John Burke blind Bobby Burkings, the lithing actor, 1436 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:37.319 and he had at the public runs in Cinderground, Oceanside, California, 1437 01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:40.600 and oh, I don't know from years ago, and he 1438 01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:45.279 had a a cast screening and that came out. It 1439 01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:48.880 was just a lifing, uh. And that's when I realized 1440 01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:53.000 the film now looks to me like the lip seeing 1441 01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:57.279 the extended Doncha of Tales of the Trip. In other words, 1442 01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:01.279 it's a moral of story, but the the purpose of 1443 01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:04.840 the story at the very end. And it feels like 1444 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:08.520 that now. During the time, there was the first fat 1445 01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:16.079 suit story ever done, and I have yes, the great yeah, 1446 01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:21.840 the greater frets and started ear he did the exorcise, 1447 01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:28.279 he did he over the broken the ECC and he 1448 01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:32.399 had done the fat seat and the guy was bringing 1449 01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:36.520 up you now won an Academy Award for Robin Williams 1450 01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:38.199 movie Wilson, where he played a woman. 1451 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:40.520 Okay, missus Ducar. 1452 01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:45.199 Yeah, that was the challenge about you was doing the 1453 01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:49.720 fat seat, which was the first one done, and hiding 1454 01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:54.760 the seams because that was all fatting, but it was 1455 01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:56.600 made to look like it was part of the body 1456 01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:01.640 and especially around the neck. He stress me in those 1457 01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:06.199 days the heavy lighting was an MVD lighting, and you 1458 01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:10.159 be sweat and the heads just to start to peel up. 1459 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:16.720 And that was the biggest technical bobble. No, my god, anyway, 1460 01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:19.279 I don't know. I survived it. 1461 01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:22.159 I just have one more question for you, and that 1462 01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:24.439 was about your co writer on that, Michael McDowell. 1463 01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:27.960 How was he to work with Michael McDowell. Is me 1464 01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:31.960 somebody who was not credited him enough? He was wonderful. 1465 01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:38.119 Paul Clive book when asked about McDowell, he was really talented, 1466 01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:42.880 He was really nice. He wrote, I think I've done 1467 01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:47.000 more Marcal McDowell, since you's hat anybody else, And he wrote, 1468 01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:51.359 be tails of the script. I did the first one, 1469 01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:54.560 love I tom happening. I think this is I did 1470 01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:57.920 three of them. Four sighted Triangle, by the way, which 1471 01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:00.079 I didn't go rote. I think just to rip it. 1472 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.640 And I think that's the best of a three. Michael 1473 01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:08.680 loved that. He loved I don't. He wrote betle Jeeps 1474 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:15.039 and nobody remembers legs was an original. It's a spec script. 1475 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.680 No I And he did that. He did that, I 1476 01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:24.359 did that, He that he Britain. I did what hell 1477 01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:25.680 the dinner? 1478 01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:29.840 And did he write the amazing stories that you did? 1479 01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:33.640 He did? That's it, So I think that that makes 1480 01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:37.279 me the explorer. I'm Michael McDowell. He was a lovely, 1481 01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:43.039 lovely man and he was big, he was gay, and 1482 01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:47.680 he was a motorcycle guy. He had all the Chaine 1483 01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:50.319 no letter on all the rest of her noother oh 1484 01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:55.640 no no. But he was really talented and really nice. 1485 01:22:56.439 --> 01:23:01.000 And then I think he got it. I remember when 1486 01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:04.399 I did Dinner and they're not what I did Finner 1487 01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:08.159 write in Fright Night. It is eighty four, and it 1488 01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:11.359 started with nobody was really talking about it, and two 1489 01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:15.199 or three years later when I give Child's play, everybody 1490 01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:18.600 was talking about it because everybody was dying. And in 1491 01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:21.880 my generation and the generation you had a generation below, 1492 01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:26.680 it wiped out such a huge percentage of talent and 1493 01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:30.439 eighty people. I counted it up once and I had 1494 01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:35.279 almost twenty people that I knew they had They got 1495 01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:39.279 it and in those days of children and then then 1496 01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:41.159 they don't how to keep me going? But you didn't 1497 01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:44.319 want to live that way anyway. I have too many 1498 01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:48.359 friends who were in the drugs, but that was like 1499 01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:52.279 something somatic during all of this that was going on 1500 01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:57.880 was going on, what I was doing and dinner. 1501 01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:00.359 I was wondered if there was a little bit of 1502 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:03.039 the AIDS crisis in Thinner, just with the way that 1503 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:06.319 the lawyer keeps wasting away, because I saw so many 1504 01:24:06.359 --> 01:24:07.880 AIDS patients just waste away. 1505 01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:15.399 I think what was looking before as that's why. And 1506 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:19.960 I don't know what my consciousness about how conscious I 1507 01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:24.239 was with ADS when I get Thinner, I would have 1508 01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:28.279 been by that time, because by the late eighties that's 1509 01:24:28.439 --> 01:24:32.119 like not Holley. I listened to myself talking. I think like, 1510 01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:35.479 oh my God, is such a Bible world. But I've 1511 01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:40.640 lived through so many somatic experiences. When they're going through it, 1512 01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:44.840 I mean, just find a survived. Can you make a 1513 01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:50.880 living those finger and difficult years in your show? I 1514 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:54.800 kept living. I think everybody did. They have seen it. 1515 01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:59.720 It certainly can shut back for Hollywood until I dimissed. 1516 01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:02.800 I can't now, but back then I couldn't do believe 1517 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:04.880 the names, and I was nothing good. 1518 01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:07.960 You mentioned the Fright Night book. I'm curious what else 1519 01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:08.359 you're up to. 1520 01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:14.159 I wrote Fright Night origins with Jack Goett and then 1521 01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:19.359 destively very successful out. Sure you can find it on Amazon. 1522 01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:22.520 I think all these things are on thingbo. Now I 1523 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:26.800 combined with the Olympic writer for Michael Harbor. On By 1524 01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:29.800 the middle of October, the book I wrote with Michael 1525 01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:33.000 Harbor will be coming out and it's called Friday Night 1526 01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:38.800 and Friday Night What that's always the dud damn question. Please, 1527 01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:42.239 what's up fall? Let's see, let's see what the fun 1528 01:25:42.359 --> 01:25:47.520 out Friday Night hell Bound and Michael Harbron j R. 1529 01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:50.760 D R O N and Tom Holland. And I'm thinking 1530 01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:53.720 how to spell that? So this fright Night and spelling 1531 01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:56.760 out like in two weeks and I know it will 1532 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.800 be on Amazon, and I know it will be on 1533 01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:04.600 canful because that's all try to learn the digital world. 1534 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:09.119 You already got requests for it. But then there's a 1535 01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:12.640 lot of requests in self Covered and the collectors want 1536 01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:16.520 a hard coup, which I would sign hopefully before I 1537 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:20.840 slip out of this world. I've got so many stories 1538 01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:23.880 that so many of them are grimmed. I don't want 1539 01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:26.600 to go into it. I want to I want to 1540 01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:29.920 be that. I want to be possible. I want to 1541 01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:33.760 encourage young filmmakers. I don't know how I got this 1542 01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:37.359 far in the business. I started death for years. I 1543 01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:41.479 don't know how anybody does it, but they do a 1544 01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:46.920 few do. But I can tell you so many don't 1545 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:52.039 like the creating art systems, to taficult way to make 1546 01:26:52.119 --> 01:26:55.159 a living, for to be the great community, to kilken 1547 01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:59.239 Bridge too. There's irony in this, call this somewhere, but 1548 01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:00.560 I'm not still out of theirs. 1549 01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:02.960 If you figure it out, please let me know. 1550 01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:05.600 All right, Pleason, do figured it out. Let me know. 1551 01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:09.439 But I'm glad I did it all. And at this 1552 01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:14.000 point it gives me a certain satisfaction. I'm older at 1553 01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:19.159 this point and we have to look back, and they 1554 01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:22.800 have you asked me and other people asked me about. 1555 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.840 It's wonderful. It makes me feel like I did accomplish 1556 01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:30.239 something with my Life's not all the more good that 1557 01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:33.359 what films it did work, And that's what I told you. 1558 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:37.119 Nobody ever asked me about they will do it until you. 1559 01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:43.680 But everybody asked me about Pride Night and Child's Player Forbes. Yeah, 1560 01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:47.439 my frainded Chucky. I only know I'm one. 1561 01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:49.960 Mister Allen. Thank you so much for your time. This 1562 01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:52.279 has been great. Thank you, Mike. 1563 01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:58.039 I appreciate it. In fact, they're not interested ending your 1564 01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:03.159 talking today. And God, bless real man, God bless mate. 1565 01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:07.520 Where is everybody We've done? 1566 01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:07.880 Oh? 1567 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:11.720 God, across the boundaries of. 1568 01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:15.159 Time, may day, may day. This is American Prize Fight 1569 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:17.119 twenty nine. There's your emergency aid. 1570 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:20.520 Something is waiting for you to arrive. 1571 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:25.359 Understand, they are predators. 1572 01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:28.880 They're gonna jul the eyes right out of your head. 1573 01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:30.560 They are relentless. 1574 01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:35.600 They're coming for you, and they are very, very hungry. 1575 01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:40.399 They will meet you alive, alive. 1576 01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:55.920 Right, all right, we're back and we were talking about 1577 01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:58.399 the Langueliers, and before the break, I promised that we 1578 01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:00.640 were going to talk about a movie that I feel 1579 01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:03.880 is better than The Langoliers, but would not exist without 1580 01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:07.560 the Langoliers. How do you like that sentence? It is 1581 01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:13.399 Timekeepers of Eternity, which I mentioned before, is using footage 1582 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:17.079 from the Langoliers, but manipulating it and using it in 1583 01:29:17.359 --> 01:29:21.079 such a different way. And we're gonna hear from the 1584 01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:22.800 director of that in a little bit as far as 1585 01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:25.840 his actual process, which is fascinating to me. But just 1586 01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:30.760 know that this is essentially an animated film, taking a 1587 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:35.800 live action movie and making it animated by printing out 1588 01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:41.520 every single frickin' frame of the movie and manipulating every frame. 1589 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:44.720 Though it's only an hour long, and I have to 1590 01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:49.079 say an hour really suits this so much better than 1591 01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:52.560 the three hours because we just cook cook through this. 1592 01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:55.000 And I talked about how this movie is like the 1593 01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:58.399 Mister Toomey Show, this becomes the Mister Toomey movie, and 1594 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:04.199 I really appreciated what Aristotle Moragakos was doing with this 1595 01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:08.880 and just taking something and transforming it so fully into 1596 01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:12.079 something that's so similar but yet so different. I mean, 1597 01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:14.119 it's not just that he changed the end of the movie. 1598 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:17.159 He made it into his own thing, which I found 1599 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:18.640 to be just wonderful. 1600 01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:22.119 I was completely blown away by this one. I mean, 1601 01:30:22.359 --> 01:30:25.520 as you're saying, just the concept itself of what he 1602 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:29.479 did with printing it frame by frame and all the 1603 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:32.479 rips and the folds. But I also thought it was 1604 01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:37.880 really brilliant seeing a movie that's devouring itself, which is 1605 01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:40.920 kind of the perfect near to what King's story is about, 1606 01:30:41.279 --> 01:30:45.199 and specifically with those physical wrinkles and tears that we see. 1607 01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:47.920 It's not just creative for the sake of it. It's 1608 01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:51.760 to me, Psyche unraveling and every crinkle is another breakdown, 1609 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:53.479 and I thought that was really really effective. 1610 01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:58.279 The storytelling itself is really strange and disorienting, and that's 1611 01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:00.319 kind of what we were talking about earlier, like how 1612 01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:03.800 do you take the emotional you know, quality of the 1613 01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:06.800 story and convey that in a different medium and you 1614 01:31:07.079 --> 01:31:09.039 don't just sort of use the words that were there, 1615 01:31:09.319 --> 01:31:11.640 you know, to say, hey, this is strange and disorienting. 1616 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:15.159 You have to actually do something in the new medium 1617 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:19.520 that throws the audience off, that does that. Because I kept, 1618 01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:23.560 you know, so many of the transitions, and and just 1619 01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:26.399 the way things were framed, you know, frames within frames 1620 01:31:26.439 --> 01:31:29.000 within frames. It's you know, it was jarring. It was 1621 01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:32.159 just jarring watching it, and it's it's it's kind of 1622 01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:36.319 emotionally destabilizing. And I had moments where I was, you know, 1623 01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:37.560 I guess it's sort of like what I was saying 1624 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.079 about about Bronson Fincher earlier. It's like, is this pulling 1625 01:31:40.119 --> 01:31:42.840 me into the story more? It does when it has 1626 01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:45.119 an emotional effect, but then sometimes it's it's also like 1627 01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:47.279 it's pulling me out of it. I'm seeing the artifice 1628 01:31:47.439 --> 01:31:50.720 of it, but you know, it's it's fascinating. There's obviously 1629 01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:53.520 a whole lot more going on, I think, than there 1630 01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:56.720 is in the original mini series. It's much more interesting 1631 01:31:56.800 --> 01:32:00.960 to engage with, and I think obviously that it's shorter. 1632 01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:03.520 I also just love the black and white. Black and 1633 01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:07.159 white can cover a lot of problems, and it kind 1634 01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:11.479 of covers the blandness in a way of the original 1635 01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:15.399 mini series and sort of changes your your expectations. I mean, 1636 01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:17.199 it puts you kind of in a different headspace, like, 1637 01:32:17.279 --> 01:32:21.000 am I watching you know, a nineteen fifties monster movie 1638 01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:24.840 here instead of you know, a nineteen nineties mini series. 1639 01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:27.960 I think, you know, this was something that Frank Arabot 1640 01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:29.920 I think did with The Mist as well, where there 1641 01:32:30.039 --> 01:32:32.560 was like a different cut that was in black and white, 1642 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:36.600 and it it changes your expectations. It changes especially the 1643 01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:40.640 way that you judge, you know, CGI and monster imagery, 1644 01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:45.199 because again it's I'm more accepting of, you know, something 1645 01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:48.159 that may not look particularly realistic if it's in black 1646 01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:51.159 and white. There is something about that that I'm more 1647 01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:54.640 accepting of. And so, yeah, this was much more interesting 1648 01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:57.119 for me. And I'd never heard of this, you know, 1649 01:32:57.239 --> 01:32:59.520 so I'd certainly never seen it before. Mike brought it up, 1650 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.159 and I think in a weird sort of way, it's 1651 01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:06.720 maybe even you know, kind of truer to the origin 1652 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:08.800 of what Stephen King was doing, which was sort of 1653 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:11.640 telling a twilight Zone story and having that, you know, 1654 01:33:11.720 --> 01:33:17.720 the Timekeepers has a sharper, bleaker ending, and I think 1655 01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:19.640 that's you know, it's more of a horror movie ending. 1656 01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:21.840 It's more of a Stephen King ending. I think in 1657 01:33:21.920 --> 01:33:24.840 a way, you know, even the twilight Zone episode, the 1658 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:27.439 specific Twilight Zone episode that I think he was kind 1659 01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:30.520 of drawing on for inspiration, I think has a much 1660 01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:35.039 more similar end into Timekeepers of Eternity than to the Leangoliers. 1661 01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:36.159 Yeah. 1662 01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:39.600 I much preferred this ending to the Langoliers, the bleakness 1663 01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:42.479 of it. I'm actually surprised that this wasn't the ending 1664 01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:43.760 that King went with himself. 1665 01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:48.520 Yeah, it is surprising that everything works out. Okay. Of course, 1666 01:33:48.600 --> 01:33:51.720 we do lose a lot of people along the way, 1667 01:33:51.920 --> 01:33:57.119 including Dinah, that symbol of purity, but we have quite 1668 01:33:57.159 --> 01:34:01.000 a few survivors and they're so being chipper at the 1669 01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:03.119 end of the movie, and it's like, yeah, no, I 1670 01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:09.159 love that he reframes it as the message from Dean Stockwell. 1671 01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:12.119 Doesn't get through, you know that they're just like ignore 1672 01:34:12.279 --> 01:34:16.000 the person who figures out that last twist. You know, 1673 01:34:16.079 --> 01:34:19.279 we've had so many little twists of like, oh, well, 1674 01:34:19.359 --> 01:34:21.920 we'll take the beer back on the plane and it's 1675 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:24.760 going to regain its fizz, and the sandwich will regain 1676 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:27.600 its taste and all these things. But really I guess 1677 01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:31.760 it's two twists that they remove the whole idea of 1678 01:34:32.279 --> 01:34:34.520 you have to be asleep to get back out, you know, 1679 01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:38.199 get through the thing. And then also David Morse figuring like, oh, 1680 01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:41.000 we can use the pressure and that'll knock us out. 1681 01:34:41.079 --> 01:34:42.800 Because they go through several things, they're like, well, we 1682 01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:44.960 can take drugs to do this, So we don't know 1683 01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:47.359 how long those drugs will last. We're not pharmacists. We 1684 01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:50.000 don't know how what type of dosage, what would kill us, 1685 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:53.560 what would knock us out for the appropriate amount of time. 1686 01:34:54.279 --> 01:34:56.079 They go through all of these different things, and then 1687 01:34:56.159 --> 01:34:59.960 David Morse like again like you're talking about the beginning 1688 01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:05.039 of the story, which is something had happened to him 1689 01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:07.720 on a flight from Japan. I believe it is, and 1690 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:11.239 they talk about it quite a bit in the short story. 1691 01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:14.920 In the novella, I should say. And that's finally what 1692 01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:18.880 triggers it, where he's just like, oh, we lost cabin pressure. 1693 01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:21.600 We could have been knocked out, and now we need 1694 01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:24.520 to be knocked out, so let's use cabin pressure. And 1695 01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:27.880 I think it's so effective. The shot at the end 1696 01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:31.960 of Timekeepers where you see I believe it's like the 1697 01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:36.439 air mask or whatever like drops and it's just like, nope, 1698 01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:39.720 they all disappeared, they were awake, they all disappeared. It's 1699 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.359 not just Nick who disappears, it's every single one of 1700 01:35:42.439 --> 01:35:46.520 them disappears. And then you see that slow descent of 1701 01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:49.880 the plane going down, and that's how the movie ends. 1702 01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:54.000 I'm just like, that's perfect. I love that. I love 1703 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:58.760 how bleak and dire that ending is that honestly, these 1704 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:01.720 people didn't have any right to survive. They went through 1705 01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:06.239 this rift in time. Yeah, they really probably shouldn't ever 1706 01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:07.039 make it out of that. 1707 01:36:07.720 --> 01:36:11.640 It's that bitterly ironic Twilight Zone ending that they've gone 1708 01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:13.840 through all of this and then it's like kind of 1709 01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:16.960 a slip of the mind that dooms them. And it 1710 01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:21.319 makes me think, what is the Twilight Zone episode where 1711 01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:24.039 the guy just wants time to read and then he 1712 01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:26.960 ends up in this post apocalyptic world whether with a 1713 01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:28.920 big stack of books and he's like finally, you know, 1714 01:36:29.279 --> 01:36:31.479 time and f last yep. But then he breaks his 1715 01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:34.079 glasses and he can't read, and it's this is sort 1716 01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:37.439 of like the Twists. It's like oops, you know, just that. 1717 01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:39.199 Cruel irony at the end. 1718 01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:42.399 He does such a smart thing when it comes to 1719 01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:49.319 mixing what's in the lengal Ears with other parts that's 1720 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:52.439 also in the Lengoliars, insofar as like one of the 1721 01:36:52.520 --> 01:36:55.279 first times that we see mister Toomey freaking out when 1722 01:36:55.319 --> 01:36:58.279 it's on the airplane, we get little tears in the 1723 01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:02.079 paper and the way that we tear through Bronson Pinchot's 1724 01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:05.199 head and see his father and it's like his father's 1725 01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:08.479 living underneath that skin at all times. And you see 1726 01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:11.680 at one point the paper tears another way, the screen 1727 01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:14.479 you know, splits, and we've got him as a little 1728 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:17.640 boy kind of looking up at the current mister Toomey. 1729 01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:20.560 It is so smart the way that they're doing this, 1730 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:22.880 and Joe I kind of, you know, like you were 1731 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:26.000 talking about, like I see the seams at times, and 1732 01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:28.319 it's like, yes, I see the seams a lot. And 1733 01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:31.000 at first I was worried. I was just like, oh, man, 1734 01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:32.680 is this just going to be one of those things 1735 01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:35.720 where you can tell that the filmmaker was kind of 1736 01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:38.520 getting bored and it's just trying some different things. 1737 01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:38.800 You know. 1738 01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:41.800 That's always been my complaint, And I know this is controversial, 1739 01:37:41.880 --> 01:37:45.159 but that was always my complaint about brom Stoker's Dracula 1740 01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:48.000 the Francis. For a Coppola film, there were times where 1741 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:50.439 it felt like Copola is like, I'm kind of bored 1742 01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:52.680 with this. I'm just going to try some fucked up effects, 1743 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:54.319 and like the way that he was like, you know, 1744 01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:56.880 messing with time and everything in that movie, and I 1745 01:37:56.960 --> 01:38:00.159 was like, Okay, yeah, I'm bored too, Francis, and this 1746 01:38:00.359 --> 01:38:03.880 isn't entertaining me. Whereas with this, I felt like everything 1747 01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:05.840 had a purpose. It didn't feel like it was just 1748 01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:08.279 I'm the filmmaker, I'm going to fuck around. It just 1749 01:38:08.359 --> 01:38:11.840 felt like, oh, there are actual reasons for this stuff. 1750 01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:15.359 And occasionally it's like little reminders because sometimes the film 1751 01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:19.079 just runs quote unquote normally and it's just the black 1752 01:38:19.159 --> 01:38:22.359 and white version of it with this kind of jitter 1753 01:38:22.520 --> 01:38:25.760 motion that gets introduced because of the different frame rates 1754 01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:29.000 and everything. And then also the imperfections of the paper 1755 01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:33.439 and the process itself. I love that. And then you'll 1756 01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:37.399 get like transitions will be like tears going across the screen, 1757 01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:39.199 or they might come up from the bottom. 1758 01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:39.880 You know. 1759 01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:42.640 There's one point where somebody's on the ground and they 1760 01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:45.039 like are tapping the ground with their finger, and you 1761 01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:49.319 see where the paper is moving when they're they're tapping 1762 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:52.319 their fingers. It's just like, this is fantastic. And I 1763 01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:56.319 it kept me entertained, and it didn't it didn't necessarily 1764 01:38:56.359 --> 01:38:57.760 do that thing that you were saying as far as 1765 01:38:57.840 --> 01:39:01.560 like taking me out of it, because I made aware 1766 01:39:01.840 --> 01:39:04.479 of what he was doing throughout so much of this. 1767 01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:06.800 But at the same time, I was like, oh, this 1768 01:39:06.920 --> 01:39:09.159 is great. Oh that's really smart. Oh that's very clever. 1769 01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:11.880 It wasn't just like, oh boy, here he goes again 1770 01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:14.600 with some other sort of effect. It felt like everything 1771 01:39:14.680 --> 01:39:15.640 had a purpose. 1772 01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:18.880 To it Thematically, it works, you know, but also I 1773 01:39:18.920 --> 01:39:21.560 think there's a kind of like there's a unity of 1774 01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:25.760 effects too. I mean, it like establishes a mood and 1775 01:39:26.840 --> 01:39:28.439 you know, again I feel like I'm repeating myself, but 1776 01:39:28.520 --> 01:39:31.600 it's you know, if the goal of the story is 1777 01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:34.399 to kind of keep us off balance, keep us nervous. 1778 01:39:34.439 --> 01:39:37.680 I mean, you think it does that pretty consistently. One 1779 01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:39.880 of the things just popped in my head as I 1780 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:43.279 was watching it. And I've seen this movie in years, 1781 01:39:43.319 --> 01:39:44.800 so I don't even know what the connection is here, 1782 01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:46.199 but I was watching it thinking. 1783 01:39:46.079 --> 01:39:49.119 Oh, I really should rewatch Pie. 1784 01:39:49.439 --> 01:39:52.479 Darren Aronofsky's Pie, Like there's just something again, like the 1785 01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:56.039 unity of effect, just like a tone, just just a 1786 01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:58.479 kind of dread filled tone, and we're just going to 1787 01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:02.199 carry that through and and I don't know, it's been 1788 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:03.920 so long since I've seen that, But I don't know 1789 01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:06.520 what the connection is there, except that it made me 1790 01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:07.199 want to rewatch. 1791 01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:10.520 That makes more sense than Stalker, I'll tell you that much. 1792 01:40:11.359 --> 01:40:11.720 I don't know. 1793 01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:14.199 You pulled it out, Marta. You pulled it out, that 1794 01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:19.159 paranoia of Pie and also the repetition of images. I mean, 1795 01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:22.600 how everything for him is in that Fibonacci spiral, no 1796 01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:24.760 matter what it is, whether it's the cream in his 1797 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:27.399 coffee or you know, the patterns of things, and it 1798 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:30.880 kind of I've never seen did it end up being 1799 01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:33.439 a comic book? The whole thing about ants that Aeronofsky 1800 01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:36.920 put together. I mean, it's just, yeah, he's got like 1801 01:40:37.760 --> 01:40:40.600 patterns in nature and how patterns come up. And that 1802 01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:43.720 was the first movie that ever introduced me to afhex twin. 1803 01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:47.000 With the the sefless bouncing ball and the use of 1804 01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:51.119 like a bouncing ball as such an organic thing mixed 1805 01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:54.439 with the generated sounds of AFX twin, I was like, 1806 01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:57.399 I love this marriage. It shouldn't work, but it works 1807 01:40:57.479 --> 01:41:00.319 really well. And that whole movie felt to me like 1808 01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:04.800 a marriage of natural patterns with the artifice of the 1809 01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:06.079 actual film itself. 1810 01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:10.000 Yeah, it's a great soundtrack and a great sound design too. 1811 01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:13.880 I wonder if Timekeepers could have probably pushed that even further. 1812 01:41:14.039 --> 01:41:17.199 Almost seemed like so much of the material, the audio 1813 01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:20.520 material was taken from the mini series, and I wonder, 1814 01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:23.399 you know how radically different it could have been if 1815 01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:25.479 you just said we're we're going to go with completely 1816 01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:29.239 different music and really sort of change the tone, you know, 1817 01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:30.920 even more dramatically. 1818 01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:35.680 Was there any original music and Timekeepers? Because I also 1819 01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:39.520 only remember hearing what I heard from the Langeleiers, But 1820 01:41:39.560 --> 01:41:41.800 I remember when the credits rolled it's said that there 1821 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:44.560 was a composer attached to Timekeepers. 1822 01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:47.760 I think there is, but with something like this in 1823 01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:51.439 here did he put that together? Because it wasn't the 1824 01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:54.880 era which we're in today, where you could kind of 1825 01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:58.520 run things through, you know, AI and have the music 1826 01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:01.760 dropped out and just keep the you know, the audio 1827 01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:05.800 of the character speaking. Obviously didn't have access to any 1828 01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:09.840 of the original materials or anything, So yeah, I could 1829 01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:12.800 see I could see a full replacement of everything, or 1830 01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:16.279 like even enhancements of things. Like you said, it's so 1831 01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:19.920 talky that there's very little time for music. 1832 01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:25.239 Recut the Langeliers with the soundtrack from the Blair Witch Project. 1833 01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:29.159 But yeah, the whole idea of like just that mister 1834 01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:33.720 Toomey's one thing that he does to relax himself is 1835 01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:37.279 tear paper, and to use that as like the whole 1836 01:42:37.479 --> 01:42:41.880 premise of the movie, to make that your experiment. I mean, 1837 01:42:42.840 --> 01:42:46.960 it's so smart, so so smart, and too often when 1838 01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:49.439 I watch experimental movies, it's just like why are you 1839 01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:49.800 doing this? 1840 01:42:50.279 --> 01:42:50.319 What? 1841 01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:53.399 What is the what are you trying to say to 1842 01:42:53.479 --> 01:42:56.520 me with this? But with Timekeepers of Eternity, I was like, oh, 1843 01:42:57.319 --> 01:43:01.640 you are really enhancing the story with the experimental nature 1844 01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:03.560 rather than just distracting. 1845 01:43:04.359 --> 01:43:08.439 Clearly a product of personal obsession I love obsessive people. 1846 01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:15.319 So glad you brought up Toomey's dad, Mike, because I 1847 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:17.680 love that as well. And it's something that I really 1848 01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:19.439 picked up on, and I was like, man, this is 1849 01:43:19.640 --> 01:43:23.479 this is so smart is seeing his face, Toomey's father's 1850 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:26.239 face pop up in front of Toomey when he's having 1851 01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:30.199 that meltdown, because it almost seems like a physical representation 1852 01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:33.760 of inherited time, you know, and the anxieties he had 1853 01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:35.880 had as a kid just shown to us like the 1854 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:39.880 past consuming the present literally with those rips in the 1855 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:44.119 miniseries Toomey's I guess we could consider him more so campy, 1856 01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:47.520 but here everything we see is tragic, and I think 1857 01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:51.439 that's thanks to the texture and the paper that we're 1858 01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:54.119 seeing being just this sort of breakdown of all of that. 1859 01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:57.119 The papers is as anxious as he is, So I 1860 01:43:57.159 --> 01:44:00.079 think that's really effective and completely changes the tone. 1861 01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:02.720 Look it makes makes us of at the time, the 1862 01:44:02.840 --> 01:44:05.680 theory of time isn't just linear, you know, it isn't 1863 01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:06.520 just before and after. 1864 01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:07.239 It's layered. 1865 01:44:07.359 --> 01:44:11.199 You know that even the present moments as texture has depth, 1866 01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:13.399 has you know, different layers. 1867 01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:19.560 We were mentioning that spotlight theory or the film strips. 1868 01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:23.279 It's literal here is it not? Yeah, which I think 1869 01:44:23.399 --> 01:44:25.560 is cool because it just takes it a step further 1870 01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:26.760 to King's idea. 1871 01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:29.279 All right, we're going to take another break and we'll 1872 01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:31.920 be back with an interview with the director of Timekeepers 1873 01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:35.840 of Eternity, Aristotle Morakos, right after these brief messages. 1874 01:44:37.560 --> 01:44:39.760 Welcome to highst Club, where we lay out the blueprints 1875 01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:42.760 or some of the strangest, boldest and most unbelievable robberies 1876 01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:43.279 of all time. 1877 01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:47.520 For mysteries unsolved to flawless plans, to split second mistakes. 1878 01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:49.680 Like the nineteen million dollar last Job pulled off by 1879 01:44:49.720 --> 01:44:52.680 London's very own version of The Expendables. 1880 01:44:52.439 --> 01:44:54.279 Or the robbery that made the Mono Leisa the most 1881 01:44:54.279 --> 01:44:57.119 famous painting in the world, like the Thomas Crime Affair 1882 01:44:57.319 --> 01:44:58.560 said in nineteen eleven. 1883 01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:02.760 Paris, but also less sophisticated and no Pierce Braston. 1884 01:45:03.439 --> 01:45:07.000 Sorry Todd. We cover bank jobs, art lifts, diamond scores, 1885 01:45:07.399 --> 01:45:09.399 all this stuff. Danny Ocean's crew be jealous of. 1886 01:45:10.279 --> 01:45:11.840 I'm Todd and I'm Jesse. 1887 01:45:12.279 --> 01:45:15.199 Welcome to hight Club Real Life Keepers, the inspired movies, 1888 01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:16.960 Mysteries and Time in Prison. 1889 01:45:17.439 --> 01:45:21.880 Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts. 1890 01:45:21.600 --> 01:45:24.319 And follow us at highst Club pod on all your 1891 01:45:24.359 --> 01:45:26.239 social media apps, including letterboxed. 1892 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:28.680 Tell us about your favorite heists, what you would have 1893 01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:29.800 done hypothetically. 1894 01:45:29.880 --> 01:45:32.239 Of course, listen in and join the club. 1895 01:45:42.239 --> 01:45:44.880 Before we start talking about Timekeepers of Eternity, I want 1896 01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:46.279 to know a little bit more about you and how 1897 01:45:46.279 --> 01:45:47.600 you got interested in filmmaking. 1898 01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:51.079 I think, like everyone did, the mistake to watch too 1899 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:53.960 many films when I was young, but in my actual 1900 01:45:54.039 --> 01:45:58.640 path was after school, I started architecture and through studying 1901 01:45:58.720 --> 01:46:04.159 architecture find my way towards filmmaking, towards animation, and then 1902 01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:07.279 I went on to study film, worked for a bit 1903 01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:10.560 as a production designer, and then moved on to directing. 1904 01:46:10.680 --> 01:46:13.600 I directed the commercials and making my own films, so 1905 01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:18.199 like short films, and that slowly moved into different things. 1906 01:46:19.279 --> 01:46:21.520 So where did the idea for Timekeepers of a Turney 1907 01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:22.000 come from? 1908 01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:25.079 The languages was playing on Greek television when I was 1909 01:46:25.199 --> 01:46:28.279 very young, quite often, like for the span of a 1910 01:46:28.319 --> 01:46:31.600 couple of years, and it was the first kind of 1911 01:46:31.720 --> 01:46:34.039 a film that I asked my parents can I stay 1912 01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:35.600 up late with my sister and watch it. I was 1913 01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:39.239 quite young, and in Greece it didn't play. It played 1914 01:46:39.279 --> 01:46:42.319 as one, so he didn't play in two nights until 1915 01:46:42.359 --> 01:46:44.680 it started, and with the commercials, the break for the 1916 01:46:44.760 --> 01:46:46.760 news and all that it went on for five six 1917 01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:50.199 hours was so late. But it was incredible because I 1918 01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:52.920 remembered as the first kind of scary film that I 1919 01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:55.640 stayed up to watch, and it was very scary to me. 1920 01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:58.800 It was very ingrained in my head growing up. I 1921 01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:01.319 would used to talk about it, but I hadn't seen 1922 01:47:01.399 --> 01:47:04.920 it like a decade later or and I revisited and 1923 01:47:05.039 --> 01:47:07.840 it wasn't the memory that I had of it. So 1924 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:12.359 the timetepers came by, can I figure out the memory 1925 01:47:12.439 --> 01:47:16.039 that I had, the emotion or reaction I had of 1926 01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:20.000 the film? Can I reproduce it? Can I find it? 1927 01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:22.840 Can I like an archaeologist? Can I discover it within 1928 01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:28.359 the footage? So that was the initial thing and the 1929 01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:32.479 technique the experimentation just came out of the plot of 1930 01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:35.479 the Languelaers came out of the character of mister Toomey, 1931 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:40.279 who is obsessed with time but also calms himself down 1932 01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:45.000 with ripping paper. He was the most vivid memory that 1933 01:47:45.039 --> 01:47:48.920 I had of it, and the film was centered around him, 1934 01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:52.319 but also gave the materiality that the Timekeepers have. 1935 01:47:53.159 --> 01:47:54.840 What was your memory of the movie. How was it 1936 01:47:54.880 --> 01:47:58.039 different than what we see in the longer version of it. 1937 01:47:58.880 --> 01:48:02.079 As a child, you watch films and the impact you 1938 01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:05.000 in different ways. The emotions are heightened, or you're more 1939 01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:10.199 engaged with the details that become more important. And it 1940 01:48:10.359 --> 01:48:15.199 is a plot heavy story, but it's the pace of it, 1941 01:48:16.239 --> 01:48:18.720 the pace of telling the story and where it focused, 1942 01:48:18.760 --> 01:48:23.359 and how it distorts in the enseample of characters, the 1943 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:25.960 narration of it, the way you tell the story. I 1944 01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:28.640 found a bit scattered, basically didn't. I didn't have the 1945 01:48:28.680 --> 01:48:32.000 same emotion watching it. And I'm not saying the Languladers 1946 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:34.680 are bad, that Languladers are great. I loved it as 1947 01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:37.039 a twelve year old and I gave it so much 1948 01:48:37.119 --> 01:48:39.479 time just getting into it. There is something there. I 1949 01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:42.760 think it's great and the Timekeepers, to me, is not 1950 01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:46.920 an alternative. Is just something different, something that I made 1951 01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:51.279 and luckily had. The very was perceived very well from audience, 1952 01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:55.159 endre audience, Stephen King fans, so it had a life 1953 01:48:55.199 --> 01:48:56.479 of its own, which is great. 1954 01:48:57.279 --> 01:49:00.640 How did you actually do the film I want to understand. 1955 01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:03.359 Those are print outs of the different frames, and you 1956 01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:04.920 animated it frame by frame. 1957 01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:05.800 Yeah. 1958 01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:09.479 Yeah, So first I edited down to from the three 1959 01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:13.840 hours to a tighter story that was centered more around 1960 01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:16.600 mister to me, and then I did it linear. I 1961 01:49:16.800 --> 01:49:19.560 was printing out the frames in black and white, which 1962 01:49:19.640 --> 01:49:23.239 is cheaper paper, the cheapest paper, the cheapest ink, and 1963 01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:27.000 from that I would animate the paper and then take 1964 01:49:27.039 --> 01:49:29.439 a picture of it. Each frame is like a collage 1965 01:49:29.520 --> 01:49:32.479 that I made in reality, take a picture, put the 1966 01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:35.199 pictures in order. I also worked on it in a 1967 01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:37.720 linear fashion, so I started from the beginning and finished 1968 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:41.680 at the end or in the majority of it, and 1969 01:49:41.760 --> 01:49:44.720 then I didn't go back to correct I did it blindly. 1970 01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:49.279 Although I can do digital animation and follow with onion 1971 01:49:49.359 --> 01:49:52.079 skin follow what I'm making, it was a bit more 1972 01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:56.039 old school that I wasn't checking what I'm doing. I 1973 01:49:56.159 --> 01:50:00.159 was doing sequences, and the process was for me need 1974 01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:04.039 to inhabit the madness of mystery, to me to be 1975 01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:06.560 overwhelmed by the amount of paper that I have to control, 1976 01:50:07.439 --> 01:50:12.520 holding the narration, the visual narration within my head, having 1977 01:50:12.640 --> 01:50:15.359 small stacks of paper. So each shot and then I 1978 01:50:15.439 --> 01:50:18.439 would stare at them for a while, for a long time, 1979 01:50:19.039 --> 01:50:21.479 longer than you think, and then eventually I would have 1980 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:22.920 it in my mind what I need to make, and 1981 01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:27.279 then I get to making it, and hopefully because I 1982 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:30.760 get because you spend that much time, I get better 1983 01:50:31.520 --> 01:50:34.279 as an animator. Towards the end of the film. The 1984 01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:36.760 film kind of benefits from it. So it starts more 1985 01:50:37.279 --> 01:50:40.239 simplistically simple in the ideas that it can do with 1986 01:50:40.479 --> 01:50:43.319 the material and how it interacts with the plot, and 1987 01:50:43.439 --> 01:50:44.479 it goes more and more. 1988 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:48.039 Complex, even just the printing out of all those frames. 1989 01:50:48.279 --> 01:50:50.680 Do you export all that in Photoshop and then print 1990 01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:51.760 out each frame that way? 1991 01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:51.960 Like? 1992 01:50:52.039 --> 01:50:52.640 How does that go? 1993 01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:55.680 You break down the film into frames and then you 1994 01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:58.760 print frames. I've printed so many. I used to print 1995 01:50:58.840 --> 01:51:01.640 in batches. I was doing my PhD at university, so 1996 01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:03.880 I was using the facilities there, so I had like 1997 01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:10.079 major discount and then getting big boxes. The process was 1998 01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:13.800 getting the boxes. Then I would stamp them with a handstamp, 1999 01:51:14.199 --> 01:51:17.039 so like a rotary stamp, so everyone had each one 2000 01:51:17.079 --> 01:51:19.000 has a number, so if I lose them, I can 2001 01:51:19.039 --> 01:51:21.359 put them back in order. And that would get me 2002 01:51:21.560 --> 01:51:25.119 my first kind of looking at the material, and then 2003 01:51:26.239 --> 01:51:29.960 separate them into shorts and start making the sequences, which 2004 01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:32.960 changed a lot. The edit was mainly just to get 2005 01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:36.119 the material that would I would use as grounds, but 2006 01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:40.399 then on the actual animating process, it would change a 2007 01:51:40.439 --> 01:51:41.840 lot the way to tell the story. 2008 01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:45.239 And then are you doing thirty frames a second twenty four? 2009 01:51:46.359 --> 01:51:51.279 No, I was doing the animation's twelve frames per second. Yeah, 2010 01:51:51.399 --> 01:51:53.600 so it's twelve frames per second, and I think I've 2011 01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:56.840 used all of the shots that mister Toomy is in. 2012 01:51:57.439 --> 01:52:02.199 And that was the soft rule. If the broken pincher 2013 01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:04.399 is in it, I'm going to use it, and then 2014 01:52:04.439 --> 01:52:06.359 the rest would resolve around them. 2015 01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:08.239 And what are you actually shooting with? 2016 01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:12.279 It's just this it's a simple DSLAR camera. So it's 2017 01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:18.119 like a very simple setup of basically photographing books. So 2018 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:21.039 when with two lights and a camera at pop shot 2019 01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:25.159 camera and I use my table to make whatever collasses 2020 01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:27.119 I'm making and then take a picture. 2021 01:52:27.880 --> 01:52:31.319 The result the effect is just amazing, And I love 2022 01:52:31.399 --> 01:52:33.439 how you've got different I don't know if I would 2023 01:52:33.479 --> 01:52:36.520 call them movements, but there are different techniques that you 2024 01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:39.000 use throughout the whole film. There's one section where you 2025 01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:41.920 start to I imagine put yourself in the film where 2026 01:52:41.960 --> 01:52:45.039 we can see your hands actually manipulating things. I love 2027 01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:48.000 when it breaks down into that particular area. 2028 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:52.279 Yeah, yeah, And again that has to do with mister 2029 01:52:52.399 --> 01:52:58.479 Toomey manipulating broken pincher manipulating paper, So my hands manipulating 2030 01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:02.119 paper with a reflection of that, and me as a 2031 01:53:02.199 --> 01:53:05.359 creator or mister to Me as inhabiting his own mind space. 2032 01:53:06.199 --> 01:53:09.800 It all has to do with creating this a nightmare 2033 01:53:10.319 --> 01:53:14.039 or in a way making the terror of the Langoliers 2034 01:53:14.079 --> 01:53:14.439 more real. 2035 01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:17.880 And then I really appreciated the end of the film 2036 01:53:18.079 --> 01:53:20.800 where you pretty much redid the effects. 2037 01:53:22.479 --> 01:53:26.039 It's infamous for its effects, although I never really minded 2038 01:53:26.399 --> 01:53:30.760 the three d Langoliers, but because for me the paper 2039 01:53:30.920 --> 01:53:35.439 was so important the resolution the beast of the story, 2040 01:53:35.560 --> 01:53:37.399 but also the resolution of the story had to be 2041 01:53:37.640 --> 01:53:40.920 directly linked with the paper as material. 2042 01:53:41.720 --> 01:53:43.720 I went for it. And then I love that you 2043 01:53:43.760 --> 01:53:45.439 actually changed the end of the film as well. 2044 01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:47.720 At the end was the toughest for me. I did 2045 01:53:47.800 --> 01:53:50.960 many tries. It was the hardest decision, different tries of 2046 01:53:51.680 --> 01:53:55.880 because it's a question that can you resolve what happens 2047 01:53:55.920 --> 01:53:58.159 when they go through the rift awake? And can you 2048 01:53:58.279 --> 01:54:03.560 give that space, and I did try something different, and 2049 01:54:03.680 --> 01:54:05.760 then it was restarting the film. They were going into 2050 01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:08.960 a different space, and then we're going to a different film, 2051 01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:13.960 and the plot didn't need that, so I gave them 2052 01:54:14.039 --> 01:54:18.039 the what I thought was the more fitting ending for 2053 01:54:18.680 --> 01:54:19.479 the travel. 2054 01:54:20.199 --> 01:54:21.800 And then I love the effect that you give it 2055 01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:24.720 with the slowdown of the frames and just showing us 2056 01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:26.880 a few as it counts down. 2057 01:54:26.920 --> 01:54:31.520 Almost almost the same words come from Dean Stockwell's character 2058 01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:37.039 where time counts down, weaving down, I'm interpreting what's in 2059 01:54:37.159 --> 01:54:39.560 the story. I'm reading it and then giving it my 2060 01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:40.760 own explanation visually. 2061 01:54:41.520 --> 01:54:44.399 Yeah, that's the thing is it feels so personal and 2062 01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:48.520 it almost feels like I'm looking in on your thoughts 2063 01:54:48.720 --> 01:54:50.760 as I'm watching your version of the film. 2064 01:54:51.680 --> 01:54:56.479 That's great to know, and hopefully from a point onwards. 2065 01:54:57.159 --> 01:55:01.239 It's not that I wasn't trying to make an experimental film, 2066 01:55:01.960 --> 01:55:04.119 so it ended up being a longer film. Usually these 2067 01:55:04.199 --> 01:55:08.680 kind of experiments for films are like short films ten minutes, 2068 01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:11.600 twenty minutes, because after a while you're tired of the technique, 2069 01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:14.319 or the technique doesn't have anything else to offer for me. 2070 01:55:15.359 --> 01:55:17.520 The technique isn't use to tell the story. So the 2071 01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:20.560 important thing for me is that you engage with a story. 2072 01:55:21.279 --> 01:55:24.920 You can engage with what I'm making as a technique, 2073 01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:27.720 as a craft, but the more important thing is that 2074 01:55:27.840 --> 01:55:31.119 you engage more with mister to me that you feel 2075 01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:35.600 the weight of time and the langulae're chasing and all that. 2076 01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:40.520 Once you've got everything in the camera, how much adjustment 2077 01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:42.920 did you have to do for the soundtrack itself? 2078 01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:47.359 You're editing through shots and I never had like an 2079 01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:51.920 open soundtrack for the dialogues. Everything is mixed down what 2080 01:55:52.079 --> 01:55:54.479 I had, what I was using. So then I worked 2081 01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:57.720 with a sound editor and a musician that are good friends, 2082 01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:03.279 and I would try to reinterpret that and mix it through. 2083 01:56:04.039 --> 01:56:08.520 And Amulets wrote the music. He's really good. He's working 2084 01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:11.319 with tape loops and cassette tapes and so very analog 2085 01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:16.479 looping and understanding, you know, repetitions of time, and that's 2086 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:19.439 his craft and he understands it more than me. And 2087 01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:23.439 I thought that was fitting interpret the story that's trapped 2088 01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:26.239 within time, and he got it at once. We didn't 2089 01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:29.119 have to discuss much and he engaged with the material 2090 01:56:29.159 --> 01:56:33.039 as it is as a soundtrack and added layers to 2091 01:56:33.159 --> 01:56:36.520 it that I think give it this depth but also 2092 01:56:36.720 --> 01:56:40.760 a very entertaining and the process was the sound design 2093 01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:42.680 also for me because it was the time where I 2094 01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:45.680 had company. I was working with someone else. Everything else, 2095 01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:48.159 the visual part is just me, and then towards the 2096 01:56:48.319 --> 01:56:50.880 end with the music and the sound design, I just 2097 01:56:50.960 --> 01:56:52.640 had a bit of company, which was nice. 2098 01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:55.359 When did you actually start the project and when did 2099 01:56:55.399 --> 01:56:55.800 you finish? 2100 01:56:56.840 --> 01:57:00.000 It took a couple of years. We premiered in twenty 2101 01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:04.159 one so in Fantastic Fest and I think it was 2102 01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:07.560 at least twenty half years. But it wasn't my only 2103 01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:11.279 thing I was doing in life. It did overlap with 2104 01:57:12.079 --> 01:57:16.119 the pandemic. All these things gave time, but for me personally, 2105 01:57:16.119 --> 01:57:19.920 it overlap with having a baby at home, so put 2106 01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:21.560 the baby to sleep and then you can work for 2107 01:57:21.920 --> 01:57:24.319 what time it is work nights, and then go back 2108 01:57:24.359 --> 01:57:27.560 to work and other things. But I worked on it 2109 01:57:27.680 --> 01:57:30.880 intermittently for at least Yeah, it must be three years. 2110 01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:34.319 Sure, that's amazing. Yeah, I was wondering if this was 2111 01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:37.279 your pandemic project, but it only overlapped a little bit, 2112 01:57:37.319 --> 01:57:37.880 I imagine. 2113 01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:40.840 Yes, it wasn't the pandemic project, but it did overlap 2114 01:57:40.880 --> 01:57:45.960 with pandemics, all the ending, all the langueliars when they appear. 2115 01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:49.319 That was all pandemic to me, which was more labor intensive, 2116 01:57:49.520 --> 01:57:52.359 and it was great because I had more time to 2117 01:57:52.439 --> 01:57:52.600 do it. 2118 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:58.039 As a person who has used bound footage and repurposed 2119 01:57:58.079 --> 01:58:02.159 footage before, did you have any problems with rights or 2120 01:58:02.199 --> 01:58:05.399 anything around repurposing somebody else's material? 2121 01:58:06.279 --> 01:58:11.880 I didn't have problems, But the timekeepers of itarnity exist 2122 01:58:12.479 --> 01:58:19.039 within fair use of copyright or within that. The Langue 2123 01:58:19.079 --> 01:58:22.560 Layers have been online on YouTube forever. No one cares. 2124 01:58:23.039 --> 01:58:25.479 It's a piece of forgotten and no one cares of 2125 01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:28.720 the people that made it, of the producers that might 2126 01:58:28.880 --> 01:58:33.239 still have the rights. So it's I knew it existed 2127 01:58:33.279 --> 01:58:37.760 out there. But also working with fand footage for artists 2128 01:58:38.039 --> 01:58:42.079 is you take a stance towards material, whether you make 2129 01:58:42.159 --> 01:58:45.840 something new, whether you repurpose something, whether we need something new, 2130 01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:50.279 or can we find stories and importance and meaning in 2131 01:58:50.520 --> 01:58:54.039 things that are already out there by changing them. I 2132 01:58:54.199 --> 01:58:57.399 never looked for the rights. My purpose was to make 2133 01:58:57.439 --> 01:59:01.840 it without waiting see for trouble or for success. 2134 01:59:02.720 --> 01:59:05.159 So the purpose of it was just to make did 2135 01:59:05.239 --> 01:59:06.560 you ever hear from Tom Holland. 2136 01:59:08.319 --> 01:59:11.840 No, I've heard from Bob Broswe Pinchow, which he's really nice, 2137 01:59:12.560 --> 01:59:14.720 and that's the only one that worked on the film 2138 01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:18.079 that I've heard from, and no one else has contacted 2139 01:59:18.119 --> 01:59:20.439 me or I've tried to contact them. To be fair, 2140 01:59:21.439 --> 01:59:24.560 what I've made is from admiration for everyone's work. The 2141 01:59:24.680 --> 01:59:28.760 Timekeepers exist because there is something important for me in 2142 01:59:28.840 --> 01:59:31.920 the original material, in the performances, in everyone's work, in 2143 01:59:32.039 --> 01:59:34.800 the craft that everyone in the crew has put into it. 2144 01:59:35.600 --> 01:59:39.279 So I appreciate that and I tried to elevate it 2145 01:59:39.359 --> 01:59:40.680 into something new. 2146 01:59:41.399 --> 01:59:43.319 Were you able to attend the premiere. 2147 01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:46.640 No, that was pandemic. Unfortunately, I wasn't in a fantastic 2148 01:59:46.720 --> 01:59:50.880 fest so I couldn't do much traveling while it was premiering, 2149 01:59:51.039 --> 01:59:54.079 So unfortunately didn't travel with the film, had to meet everyone, 2150 01:59:54.600 --> 01:59:58.039 and that's the same. On the other hand, I got 2151 01:59:58.159 --> 02:00:03.239 really many messages of love of people that worship, which 2152 02:00:04.079 --> 02:00:08.119 was indeed great to know that there are peers out 2153 02:00:08.199 --> 02:00:14.039 there that they can filmmakers, but also audiences Stephen King fans, 2154 02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:16.199 which was the first kind of audience because it premiered 2155 02:00:16.479 --> 02:00:20.479 within kind of a community of this Honor, then moving 2156 02:00:20.600 --> 02:00:24.600 to larger audiences and getting distributed. It has distribution from 2157 02:00:24.600 --> 02:00:27.600 Mikfar in the States, and then it had kind of 2158 02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:30.399 weeks here and there where it plays the cinema, and 2159 02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:32.960 it did really well in festivals, so I'm not complaining. 2160 02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:36.800 Did you ever get to see it with an audience, Yes, but. 2161 02:00:36.880 --> 02:00:40.159 Only in Europe. Yeah, they don't sit with an audience, 2162 02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:43.640 and it's great. I love it because they have reactions 2163 02:00:44.279 --> 02:00:47.159 of finding something funny and something fine series which in 2164 02:00:47.239 --> 02:00:50.800 my mind can be different, but you follow the vibe 2165 02:00:50.840 --> 02:00:55.079 of each screening and that's great. I never had a 2166 02:00:55.720 --> 02:00:59.159 kind of complain of an audience not being engaged with it, 2167 02:00:59.359 --> 02:01:01.000 which is what really makes me happy. 2168 02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:03.439 Where can people actually see the film? 2169 02:01:04.319 --> 02:01:07.479 The freeze of the film is available online now for 2170 02:01:07.600 --> 02:01:11.680 free like I'm not It's on femeals on YouTube. And 2171 02:01:11.800 --> 02:01:15.840 because I had many messages of making some kind of 2172 02:01:16.600 --> 02:01:20.520 physical medium out of it, because as we discussed copyright, 2173 02:01:21.399 --> 02:01:26.159 Blu ray DVD woulden't cut it, I've gone the more 2174 02:01:26.279 --> 02:01:30.680 bootleg kind of a way of having something which is 2175 02:01:31.039 --> 02:01:37.119 vhs all VHS tapes, timekeepers on end as part of it, 2176 02:01:37.199 --> 02:01:38.560 and then you watched the rest of the film was 2177 02:01:38.600 --> 02:01:39.159 the originally. 2178 02:01:39.920 --> 02:01:43.600 I think that's really a smart idea, and especially the 2179 02:01:44.479 --> 02:01:48.359 degraded quality of VHS, I imagine adds to the experience 2180 02:01:48.479 --> 02:01:51.039 of seeing that animation in that way. 2181 02:01:51.960 --> 02:01:54.399 I cannot tell the first time I made it and 2182 02:01:54.479 --> 02:01:57.760 I watched on a CRTTV because it's so close to 2183 02:01:58.239 --> 02:02:00.760 how I watched it originally. I think it's the best 2184 02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:03.199 way to watch like it's great and the cinema is 2185 02:02:03.239 --> 02:02:06.119 great to see with more people, but for my twelve 2186 02:02:06.159 --> 02:02:10.000 year old self, VHS and CRT is the better way. 2187 02:02:10.520 --> 02:02:13.920 But of course I understand most people don't have VHS's. 2188 02:02:14.039 --> 02:02:17.199 Most people don't have any more of these type of screens. 2189 02:02:18.319 --> 02:02:21.680 That's fine. Luckily there's a lot of people that collect 2190 02:02:21.760 --> 02:02:25.039 things or that's still within the VHS community, which is 2191 02:02:25.279 --> 02:02:28.439 quite large. They like to see things like that, so 2192 02:02:28.720 --> 02:02:31.199 it's an option that is out there if anyone is interested. 2193 02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:35.399 For me, it's interesting that I can also get the 2194 02:02:35.479 --> 02:02:38.079 ripping of the paper into the ill world because each 2195 02:02:38.159 --> 02:02:40.920 VHS comes with the case, and TC comes with a 2196 02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:43.359 paper case, or the power come with a kind of 2197 02:02:43.399 --> 02:02:46.119 a plastic case. I can play with the original covers 2198 02:02:46.239 --> 02:02:48.199 and my cover of the time Tippers and kind of 2199 02:02:48.439 --> 02:02:51.239 Each of them has tears in it, which I think 2200 02:02:51.359 --> 02:02:51.880 is also good. 2201 02:02:52.840 --> 02:02:56.000 Is this version closer to the one that you had 2202 02:02:56.039 --> 02:02:57.560 in your brain as a twelve year old? 2203 02:02:58.359 --> 02:03:02.159 I don't know. I think try to find the closest one. 2204 02:03:02.840 --> 02:03:05.319 Was the beginning of kind of the adventure then when 2205 02:03:05.399 --> 02:03:08.199 you engage with it. I obviously engage with it as 2206 02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:10.680 an adult, as an artist, as some of it makes things, 2207 02:03:11.079 --> 02:03:15.039 and then I invest myself at that time, and that's 2208 02:03:15.079 --> 02:03:18.119 the best version I can create at the time. If 2209 02:03:18.199 --> 02:03:20.600 I could time travel and go back and ask myself, 2210 02:03:21.119 --> 02:03:24.720 there would lie the answer. But we have to be 2211 02:03:24.840 --> 02:03:28.439 cautious of time travel. As a Languliers teach us today. 2212 02:03:29.039 --> 02:03:30.800 What have you done since Timekeepers? 2213 02:03:32.399 --> 02:03:37.680 I've made a few shorter animations. One is called Kafka's 2214 02:03:37.680 --> 02:03:40.920 Collection of Porn, which is again a fictional take on 2215 02:03:41.119 --> 02:03:48.039 Kafka the author. I've completed my first normal feature, which 2216 02:03:48.119 --> 02:03:50.960 is like a fiction with actors, so you did play 2217 02:03:51.000 --> 02:03:54.840 with everyone, be with a bigger crew, which is doing 2218 02:03:54.920 --> 02:03:59.399 festivals now, which also great a completely different experience. And 2219 02:04:00.800 --> 02:04:04.720 a million other projects in process, and hopefully I will 2220 02:04:04.920 --> 02:04:08.520 have some of them that engage more with paper and 2221 02:04:08.600 --> 02:04:11.520 kind of designer will catch up and soon I can 2222 02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:13.680 spend more time with myself ripping paper. 2223 02:04:14.800 --> 02:04:16.520 What was it like working with actors for you? 2224 02:04:17.399 --> 02:04:17.840 It's great. 2225 02:04:18.319 --> 02:04:21.319 Each story requires a different to me, at least it 2226 02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:25.239 requires different approach and different styles. The Timekeepers are a 2227 02:04:25.279 --> 02:04:29.119 paper animation found fulls because that's what the story required 2228 02:04:29.159 --> 02:04:33.319 for me. The story that I have which called Bitchcommer 2229 02:04:33.520 --> 02:04:37.840 the film, which is a completely different story, it required 2230 02:04:37.920 --> 02:04:40.039 me also to open up and work with the crew, 2231 02:04:40.640 --> 02:04:44.840 and that was also great and fun. Each of them 2232 02:04:44.920 --> 02:04:46.840 is fun in a different way and at the same 2233 02:04:46.920 --> 02:04:50.880 time also a nightmare, like a nightmare that you engage 2234 02:04:50.920 --> 02:04:55.159 with in a stressful but very creative kind of an. 2235 02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:58.319 Arm Where's the best place for people to keep up 2236 02:04:58.359 --> 02:04:59.039 with you in your work. 2237 02:05:00.039 --> 02:05:02.079 You can find me on the website on my website 2238 02:05:02.079 --> 02:05:06.399 which ISOs dot com, which is my name, or find 2239 02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:10.960 me on Instagram, or there's a website for the time 2240 02:05:11.039 --> 02:05:13.800 Keepers on the HS. You know, you can find me 2241 02:05:13.840 --> 02:05:17.800 online and text me and email me and I'll respond 2242 02:05:17.920 --> 02:05:18.960 or I'll try to respond. 2243 02:05:20.319 --> 02:05:21.880 Thank you so much for your time. This was so 2244 02:05:22.039 --> 02:05:22.760 nice talking with you. 2245 02:05:23.039 --> 02:05:23.800 Thank you for your time. 2246 02:05:50.239 --> 02:05:51.880 All right, we're back and we were talking about the 2247 02:05:51.960 --> 02:05:56.239 Langue leaders, and we've made several references to the Twilight Zone. 2248 02:05:57.199 --> 02:05:59.399 Of course, I'm a big fan of the Twilight Zone 2249 02:05:59.439 --> 02:06:02.159 nineteen eighty and there was an episode of that that 2250 02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:06.079 this reminded me of. But science fiction story set on 2251 02:06:06.199 --> 02:06:12.119 airplanes not a new thing and probably is almost as 2252 02:06:12.199 --> 02:06:14.760 old as air travel itself. I don't know, but for 2253 02:06:14.880 --> 02:06:18.239 sure it was very ripe for science fiction and very 2254 02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:23.039 ripe for TV science fiction. So yeah, there is quite 2255 02:06:23.159 --> 02:06:25.199 a lot that we can talk about as far as 2256 02:06:25.479 --> 02:06:29.800 inspiration for the Lengoliers, and I think the most obviously 2257 02:06:29.920 --> 02:06:33.479 one is the nineteen to fifty nine Twilight Zone episode 2258 02:06:33.600 --> 02:06:37.920 the Odyssey of Flight thirty three, which has a airplane 2259 02:06:38.680 --> 02:06:43.720 going back in time and some amazing dinosaur effects. I mean, 2260 02:06:43.720 --> 02:06:45.800 at least time Keepers of Eternity kind of fixed the 2261 02:06:45.880 --> 02:06:49.279 Lengalier effects with what they were doing, but I don't 2262 02:06:49.319 --> 02:06:51.560 know there's any fixing this effect. But it's so quaint. 2263 02:06:51.720 --> 02:06:54.159 I love this whole idea of these claymation dinosaurs that 2264 02:06:54.279 --> 02:06:57.399 we see in the you know, but it's it's it's 2265 02:06:57.439 --> 02:06:59.359 a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun 2266 02:06:59.439 --> 02:07:03.199 going back watching a lot of these movies and TV 2267 02:07:03.319 --> 02:07:06.279 shows that I felt kind of inspired The Langaliers. 2268 02:07:07.119 --> 02:07:11.199 Yeah, I wonder if King sort of famously terrified of flying, 2269 02:07:11.319 --> 02:07:14.159 and I wonder if that comes from watching early Twilight 2270 02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:16.640 Zone episodes and you think about like the you know, 2271 02:07:16.960 --> 02:07:19.520 William Shatner and the you know, the something on the 2272 02:07:19.560 --> 02:07:23.079 wing Man. Actually, the other side of the fog is 2273 02:07:24.159 --> 02:07:28.279 directly referenced in the novel in the Langalires, because one 2274 02:07:28.319 --> 02:07:31.000 of the characters talks about, you know, that old Twilight 2275 02:07:31.119 --> 02:07:34.840 Zone episode where they where they see the dinosaurs down below, 2276 02:07:35.079 --> 02:07:38.199 and I think that, yeah, I mean, King would have 2277 02:07:38.239 --> 02:07:42.159 been at the right kind of impressionable age certainly when 2278 02:07:42.239 --> 02:07:47.319 that aired. There's a story that he wrote of it's 2279 02:07:47.399 --> 02:07:50.000 never it's never been published. I mean, it's basically juvenilia, 2280 02:07:50.079 --> 02:07:52.960 but it was written I think between nineteen sixty and 2281 02:07:53.039 --> 02:07:55.920 nineteen sixty three that he wrote this collection of stories 2282 02:07:55.960 --> 02:07:59.000 with one of his neighbors and friends, and the collection 2283 02:07:59.159 --> 02:08:01.000 was called People, Places and Things, And these were some 2284 02:08:01.079 --> 02:08:03.720 of the first stories that Stephen King wrote. And if 2285 02:08:03.760 --> 02:08:05.920 you read them, they're basically like you can tell what 2286 02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:08.319 he was watching on TV. You know, you can tell like, 2287 02:08:08.319 --> 02:08:10.880 all right, well, there's there's an episode of The Fugitive 2288 02:08:10.960 --> 02:08:13.239 and there's a Twilight Zone, and you know, you can 2289 02:08:13.319 --> 02:08:15.000 kind of see all of this in there. And there's 2290 02:08:15.159 --> 02:08:18.840 one story that's called The Other Side of the Fog. 2291 02:08:19.479 --> 02:08:20.960 It's a really short story, it's like. 2292 02:08:21.000 --> 02:08:21.600 Half a page. 2293 02:08:22.479 --> 02:08:25.760 You know, he was young, and he's just kind of riffing. 2294 02:08:25.880 --> 02:08:29.039 I think probably just on the Twilight Zone episode, there's 2295 02:08:29.079 --> 02:08:32.399 this character caught in a fog and wondering if he's 2296 02:08:32.520 --> 02:08:36.880 the last person alive because he can't see anything. And 2297 02:08:37.039 --> 02:08:40.680 he comes out of this fog bank and sees like 2298 02:08:40.760 --> 02:08:45.239 a vision of the future, like a futuristic city, and 2299 02:08:46.359 --> 02:08:48.560 you know, he freaks out, runs back into the fog. 2300 02:08:49.640 --> 02:08:52.159 On the other side of the fog bank, he sees 2301 02:08:52.199 --> 02:08:55.720 an angry broadasaurus. So you know, this is clearly the 2302 02:08:55.760 --> 02:08:58.319 Twilight Zone inspiration. And so it goes back into the 2303 02:08:58.359 --> 02:09:00.880 fog and the story kind of ends. Stephen King, you know, 2304 02:09:01.000 --> 02:09:03.239 young whatever he would have been, ten year old. Stephen 2305 02:09:03.319 --> 02:09:06.079 King's ending is sort of to end on like the 2306 02:09:06.159 --> 02:09:08.439 sound of the footsteps of this guy running through the fog. 2307 02:09:08.560 --> 02:09:11.000 And so if you hear the footsteps, help the poor 2308 02:09:11.079 --> 02:09:14.000 guy out. I think it's the last line. I definitely 2309 02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:18.159 think that he saw that episode of the Twilight Zone, 2310 02:09:18.680 --> 02:09:20.520 the Odyssey of Flight thirty three, and just kind of 2311 02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:23.760 stored that away, you know, for years and years and 2312 02:09:23.840 --> 02:09:26.560 years until he until he sat down and finally wrote 2313 02:09:27.159 --> 02:09:27.840 the Langoliers. 2314 02:09:28.800 --> 02:09:31.920 It really is interesting to me how similar they are 2315 02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:36.640 and how mundane the horror is. It starts with just 2316 02:09:37.079 --> 02:09:42.960 competence and you know, pilots reciting numbers, trusting their instruments, 2317 02:09:43.920 --> 02:09:47.600 and then everything unravels. But when it does, they're still 2318 02:09:47.840 --> 02:09:51.520 just thinking about the fuel gauge, not any sort of 2319 02:09:51.600 --> 02:09:56.680 philosophical questions. It's just that sort of procedural anxiety, like 2320 02:09:56.840 --> 02:10:03.159 the Langoliers, where people who are trained to control what's 2321 02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:07.560 going on suddenly realizing that time doesn't play by their rules. 2322 02:10:08.119 --> 02:10:10.800 So I thought, in that sense, it's a perfect little 2323 02:10:11.039 --> 02:10:12.520 ancestor to the Lnglers. 2324 02:10:13.399 --> 02:10:16.479 I was really happy watching a film from nineteen sixty 2325 02:10:16.520 --> 02:10:21.439 one called The Flight That Disappeared, because well, first off, 2326 02:10:21.800 --> 02:10:25.439 it's got that great atomic age thing where you have 2327 02:10:25.720 --> 02:10:30.279 these two scientists, three scientists on this flight and they're 2328 02:10:30.319 --> 02:10:33.279 all going to the Pentagon, and you know, oh, we're 2329 02:10:33.319 --> 02:10:35.800 coming up with this better bomb, and oh, because you've 2330 02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:37.920 got this part and I've got this part, we could 2331 02:10:38.000 --> 02:10:41.039 combine these things and make this amazing bomb and you know, 2332 02:10:41.159 --> 02:10:45.159 wipe out everybody. And the flight itself is hijacked by 2333 02:10:45.720 --> 02:10:48.279 basically aliens, right or people from the future, I think 2334 02:10:48.279 --> 02:10:50.920 it might be. And they're like, don't know, don't make 2335 02:10:50.960 --> 02:10:53.600 that bomb. Nope, you're not going to. We're holding you 2336 02:10:53.720 --> 02:10:56.960 here until you agree to not basically but that. We've 2337 02:10:57.039 --> 02:10:59.840 got the guy who jumps out of the plane or 2338 02:11:00.039 --> 02:11:02.920 all out of the plane, and then his blind wife 2339 02:11:03.039 --> 02:11:05.319 and I was like, oh, okay, this is interesting. We've 2340 02:11:05.359 --> 02:11:07.239 got this whole thing where she's like, where's my husband, 2341 02:11:07.279 --> 02:11:09.760 Where's my husband? I'm like, okay, this is Dinah. This 2342 02:11:09.920 --> 02:11:13.279 is the origin of Dinah, and this whole thing of 2343 02:11:13.399 --> 02:11:15.760 like the people on the ground are just like what 2344 02:11:15.920 --> 02:11:18.279 happened to this flight, which is totally different from the langulayers. 2345 02:11:18.319 --> 02:11:21.760 We never get the ground control because they disappear, you know, 2346 02:11:21.920 --> 02:11:25.640 because they they aren't with them as the flight disappears. 2347 02:11:25.680 --> 02:11:28.800 And with this flight they are gone for what is it. 2348 02:11:28.920 --> 02:11:31.680 They land on a Wednesday, but they were actually supposed 2349 02:11:31.680 --> 02:11:34.439 to be arriving on a Tuesday or something, so they 2350 02:11:34.520 --> 02:11:37.000 have a whole twenty four hours of missing time, and 2351 02:11:37.239 --> 02:11:41.239 only these three people seem to realize that something bad 2352 02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:43.119 had happened. And I'm trying to remember if they even 2353 02:11:43.199 --> 02:11:45.800 remember what went on, because I know for sure in 2354 02:11:45.960 --> 02:11:48.960 the there's also an episode of The Outer Limits that 2355 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:52.760 we'll talk about that the people didn't remember what happened 2356 02:11:52.920 --> 02:11:55.680 while they were like in this period of missing time, 2357 02:11:56.199 --> 02:11:59.920 which also always reminds me of the X Files and Moulder. 2358 02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:02.840 I always ask, did you experience a period of missing time? 2359 02:12:03.119 --> 02:12:04.640 But yeah, I thought that was It was great. And 2360 02:12:04.760 --> 02:12:08.279 it's one of these like hour and ten minute movies, 2361 02:12:08.600 --> 02:12:13.399 sci fi dangers of atomic war type of thing. Looks 2362 02:12:13.520 --> 02:12:17.600 really good in my opinion, so super serious. It's not 2363 02:12:17.800 --> 02:12:21.359 quite zero hour serious, but it's still pretty darn serious. 2364 02:12:21.439 --> 02:12:25.239 And I just I was tickled watching this film. 2365 02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:29.079 I'm sad. I fell asleep at one point watching this, 2366 02:12:29.399 --> 02:12:31.680 I know, not for too long, because I remember it 2367 02:12:31.840 --> 02:12:34.199 was they were on the plane and then I fell asleep, 2368 02:12:34.279 --> 02:12:35.720 and next thing you know, I was like, is this 2369 02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:39.520 twelve angry men in a wormhole? Like what's going on? 2370 02:12:40.840 --> 02:12:44.119 But that's just like the characters were. The oxygen deprivation 2371 02:12:44.319 --> 02:12:46.119 got to you and knocked you out. You know, if 2372 02:12:46.119 --> 02:12:49.119 you're not a nuclear physicist, you cannot be awake for 2373 02:12:49.199 --> 02:12:49.720 what happens. 2374 02:12:49.920 --> 02:12:52.119 Speaking of that, the lack of oxygen, I thought that 2375 02:12:52.239 --> 02:12:55.880 was also another similarity to the langueliers, albeit in the 2376 02:12:55.960 --> 02:13:00.239 langoliers it's done on purpose, intentionally, we're here, they pass 2377 02:13:00.279 --> 02:13:02.359 out due to a lack of oxygen, but still it's 2378 02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:03.399 it's there. 2379 02:13:04.079 --> 02:13:07.880 I love the image of the old scientist guy hanging 2380 02:13:08.000 --> 02:13:11.399 out by the open door of the airplane and they 2381 02:13:11.600 --> 02:13:15.199 just have this calm conversation by this open fucking door. 2382 02:13:17.640 --> 02:13:21.319 It's like, we're not going to talk about pressurization whatsoever here. 2383 02:13:22.199 --> 02:13:23.960 This one was also just a treat for me to 2384 02:13:24.079 --> 02:13:27.239 see just the interior of a plane in the early sixties, 2385 02:13:27.319 --> 02:13:31.079 that cushy lounge area for drinking and smoking. 2386 02:13:31.359 --> 02:13:34.159 Everybody smoking. That was the thing I loved about the 2387 02:13:34.319 --> 02:13:37.159 Odyssey of Flight thirty three as well. The pilot's just 2388 02:13:37.199 --> 02:13:39.840 smoking up in the cockpit, like all right, cool. 2389 02:13:40.359 --> 02:13:41.720 They needed that ad revenue. 2390 02:13:42.359 --> 02:13:45.520 Also those tables too. I'm kind of upset that we 2391 02:13:45.560 --> 02:13:48.880 don't have those today because instead of being on the 2392 02:13:48.920 --> 02:13:51.680 seat in front of you, they kind of attached there. 2393 02:13:52.319 --> 02:13:54.399 They look like those little laptop tables that you can 2394 02:13:54.479 --> 02:13:55.159 sometimes bring. 2395 02:13:56.079 --> 02:14:00.439 Having a lounge area. Oh yeah, what a luxury? Why 2396 02:14:00.520 --> 02:14:03.359 are things worse now than they were before? You wouldn't 2397 02:14:03.399 --> 02:14:05.399 you think we'd go the other direction and just it 2398 02:14:05.399 --> 02:14:07.920 would be so relaxing to be on a flight rather 2399 02:14:08.039 --> 02:14:11.279 than just crammed in like sardines. Did you get a 2400 02:14:11.359 --> 02:14:14.079 chance to watch the Premonition from the Outer Limits? 2401 02:14:15.039 --> 02:14:15.079 Me? 2402 02:14:15.239 --> 02:14:17.479 Oh yeah, yeah, Oh I did. I thought that one 2403 02:14:17.600 --> 02:14:21.720 was also just again a great ancestor to the Langliers. 2404 02:14:21.760 --> 02:14:24.319 It makes me wonder. I mean, I would say King 2405 02:14:24.479 --> 02:14:26.960 was probably inspired by it. I don't know, Joe, what 2406 02:14:27.039 --> 02:14:27.479 do you think? 2407 02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:29.000 I'm trying to So I watched a few of these 2408 02:14:29.079 --> 02:14:31.039 a few weeks ago. I'm trying to remember which one 2409 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:32.159 the Premonition was. 2410 02:14:32.720 --> 02:14:35.640 The Premonition is the one where it's the test pilot 2411 02:14:35.800 --> 02:14:39.640 and his wife and they both kind of slip out 2412 02:14:39.680 --> 02:14:42.880 of time. They wake up and everything in the entire 2413 02:14:42.960 --> 02:14:45.000 world is frozen and. 2414 02:14:46.000 --> 02:14:48.800 Right, but it's moving forward in little increments small. 2415 02:14:49.319 --> 02:14:51.319 Yes. Yeah. It takes almost like an hour for a 2416 02:14:51.439 --> 02:14:54.279 second to pass or something. They go back to the 2417 02:14:54.399 --> 02:14:58.079 base and they see their daughter and they figure out 2418 02:14:58.119 --> 02:14:59.960 that she's going to be run over by a truck 2419 02:15:00.600 --> 02:15:03.760 unless they figure out something to do, or one of 2420 02:15:03.840 --> 02:15:07.479 them can sacrifice themselves and stay behind. And then there's 2421 02:15:07.520 --> 02:15:11.359 also that weird creature that is a person that was 2422 02:15:11.479 --> 02:15:15.159 also affected by a time slip in the past and 2423 02:15:15.560 --> 02:15:18.800 he's been stuck there for I don't know how long. 2424 02:15:19.479 --> 02:15:21.960 I was surprised that that didn't come to more. And 2425 02:15:22.079 --> 02:15:24.359 that was the thing. I've never been a big fan 2426 02:15:24.439 --> 02:15:26.159 of the Outer Limits. I always felt like they missed 2427 02:15:26.199 --> 02:15:29.079 the mark, especially compared to the Twilight Zone. And the 2428 02:15:29.399 --> 02:15:31.720 thing that didn't help for me is exactly what you 2429 02:15:31.880 --> 02:15:35.760 mentioned when we first started recording this is the Outer 2430 02:15:35.920 --> 02:15:38.520 Limits were a lot longer than the Twilight Zone. So 2431 02:15:38.600 --> 02:15:41.079 when the Twilight Zones got to be an hour, they 2432 02:15:41.279 --> 02:15:45.279 dragged like crazy. Outer Limits most of the episodes that 2433 02:15:45.319 --> 02:15:47.760 I've seen, I'm like, God, if this was half as long, 2434 02:15:47.840 --> 02:15:49.960 it would be twice as good. But I thought that 2435 02:15:50.000 --> 02:15:52.039 the Premonition actually moved pretty well. 2436 02:15:52.479 --> 02:15:55.520 The most interesting part was that that sort of limbo man, 2437 02:15:55.760 --> 02:15:58.720 you know, like, what was the story there? You know, 2438 02:15:59.000 --> 02:16:02.439 that's the real sort of you know, horrific tragic. I mean, 2439 02:16:02.680 --> 02:16:05.239 you know, sounds a little you know, callous, but it 2440 02:16:05.439 --> 02:16:07.159 was much less invested in whether or not they were 2441 02:16:07.159 --> 02:16:09.000 going to save their daughter. Then what what is the 2442 02:16:09.119 --> 02:16:13.359 deal with this This guy who's basically like you know, 2443 02:16:13.520 --> 02:16:17.079 trapped in in purgatory is the only reason that they 2444 02:16:17.960 --> 02:16:20.560 don't get trapped the torment. You know, it's like a 2445 02:16:20.920 --> 02:16:23.199 you know, like a story of characters being caught in 2446 02:16:23.279 --> 02:16:27.520 a time loop. You know, just conceptually, that's so terrifying, 2447 02:16:28.199 --> 02:16:30.760 you know, the idea of just there's no escape. I 2448 02:16:30.760 --> 02:16:32.680 think they even say in the episode there's no death, 2449 02:16:32.760 --> 02:16:35.760 you can't die here. That's probably the scariest thing in 2450 02:16:35.840 --> 02:16:39.120 the episode. I wanted equivalent of that in the Langele Years. 2451 02:16:39.600 --> 02:16:43.159 This feels like the most literal interpretation of that idea 2452 02:16:43.239 --> 02:16:46.600 of the film strip and and time is as a 2453 02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:49.079 physical medium. So yeah, I agree with you there that 2454 02:16:49.239 --> 02:16:51.600 that is the scariest part of us. 2455 02:16:52.840 --> 02:16:57.040 With that character who is lost in time. It reminded 2456 02:16:57.079 --> 02:17:00.239 me a little bit of the disappearance of the flight 2457 02:17:00.319 --> 02:17:05.399 that disappeared, and the idea of like somebody else being there. 2458 02:17:05.799 --> 02:17:09.079 It is so scary to me when that guy in 2459 02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:12.520 the flight that disappeared kind of walks out of the fog, 2460 02:17:12.639 --> 02:17:14.520 you know, talking about the fog, walks out of the fog, 2461 02:17:14.600 --> 02:17:16.799 It's just like, yeah, hey, I'm not going to let 2462 02:17:16.840 --> 02:17:19.000 you do this stuff, and you know, here I am 2463 02:17:19.159 --> 02:17:22.559 judging you. And I thought, for sure, like this guy 2464 02:17:23.520 --> 02:17:27.559 that was showing up in the premonition was something similar, 2465 02:17:27.959 --> 02:17:29.639 and this whole idea of I don't know why he's 2466 02:17:29.639 --> 02:17:32.479 afraid of fire, especially because you said he can't die, 2467 02:17:32.879 --> 02:17:35.879 but he's afraid of fire, and like, oh, I'm gonna 2468 02:17:36.040 --> 02:17:37.959 like this lighter and it's going to scare you away. 2469 02:17:38.760 --> 02:17:40.600 I felt like maybe if they just went to the 2470 02:17:40.680 --> 02:17:42.760 base one time, it would have been a little bit better. 2471 02:17:42.879 --> 02:17:45.280 But they go back twice, I think, and it's just like, yeah, 2472 02:17:45.360 --> 02:17:47.600 you can move this a little bit. But yeah, I 2473 02:17:47.639 --> 02:17:49.799 thought it was pretty solid. And yeah, like you say, 2474 02:17:49.879 --> 02:17:52.799 I would really like to explore more of what this 2475 02:17:52.959 --> 02:17:56.280 guy's thing is and why didn't you, you know, try 2476 02:17:56.319 --> 02:17:59.159 to attack the guy and take his place and so 2477 02:17:59.280 --> 02:18:01.120 you can come back out of that time loop. 2478 02:18:01.760 --> 02:18:04.200 Yeah, there's a whole other story there for sure, where 2479 02:18:04.239 --> 02:18:07.040 the like the shades in Hell and Dante were they 2480 02:18:07.079 --> 02:18:09.959 afraid of fire? Is that or am I just conflating 2481 02:18:10.079 --> 02:18:12.520 Dante with like Richard Mathotson. 2482 02:18:12.600 --> 02:18:15.319 You might be right? Yeah, one other that I thought, well, 2483 02:18:15.520 --> 02:18:18.559 of course, I thought about Legete and the whole idea 2484 02:18:18.559 --> 02:18:21.079 of time and time travel and everything with that, and 2485 02:18:21.159 --> 02:18:24.079 also that it takes place at an airport on a 2486 02:18:24.280 --> 02:18:29.959 runway some of it, and that for me, Legete, God, 2487 02:18:30.040 --> 02:18:33.840 it's just so beautiful. It's almost for me, let almost 2488 02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:36.799 seems to speak more to timekeepers of eternity with this 2489 02:18:36.920 --> 02:18:39.559 whole idea. You know, we're talking about captured time and 2490 02:18:39.639 --> 02:18:44.000 this idea of using still photographs to tell a story 2491 02:18:44.280 --> 02:18:47.600 in a medium that is essentially about moving pictures, but 2492 02:18:47.719 --> 02:18:51.159 you're using still pictures to tell this story. I'm not 2493 02:18:51.239 --> 02:18:54.120 going to be able to properly talk about Legette in 2494 02:18:54.159 --> 02:18:56.840 a few minutes time, because I could probably dedicate like 2495 02:18:57.280 --> 02:19:00.559 a few hours of nowadays to just to discussing it 2496 02:19:00.879 --> 02:19:03.040 because it's so great. And then you get into things 2497 02:19:03.159 --> 02:19:05.559 like Twelve Monkeys and other things that have taken from 2498 02:19:05.639 --> 02:19:07.760 Leete and it's just like, oh my god, this is 2499 02:19:07.840 --> 02:19:11.280 so great again a David Moore's performance and Twelve Monkeys, 2500 02:19:11.280 --> 02:19:13.479 it's great that he shows up in that. It's almost 2501 02:19:13.600 --> 02:19:17.040 redemption for his Lengoleer's character. But yeah, I just I 2502 02:19:17.520 --> 02:19:19.360 love that film and I love the way that it 2503 02:19:19.559 --> 02:19:23.399 again plays with time and time travel and this whole 2504 02:19:23.600 --> 02:19:27.319 idea of fate, the fickle finger of fate hits harder 2505 02:19:27.440 --> 02:19:30.559 in Timekeepers than it does in Lengo Leers because really, 2506 02:19:30.639 --> 02:19:32.559 like I was saying, there shouldn't be an escape from 2507 02:19:32.600 --> 02:19:35.399 this stuff. Everybody should die. It should be more of 2508 02:19:35.479 --> 02:19:40.479 that cynical Twilight Zone ending. And Legete like it's very 2509 02:19:40.559 --> 02:19:44.040 much like it occurrence at Owl's Owl Creek Bridge, you know, 2510 02:19:44.239 --> 02:19:48.280 French film that gets translated like directly, you know, just 2511 02:19:48.360 --> 02:19:52.399 picked up and taken into the twilight Zone. Certainly almost 2512 02:19:52.440 --> 02:19:54.280 could have done the exact same thing with Legete. 2513 02:19:55.239 --> 02:19:58.319 Yeah, I'm so happy you included it here, and same 2514 02:19:58.360 --> 02:20:00.440 as what you're saying. That was the the first thing 2515 02:20:00.559 --> 02:20:05.120 that struck me is how much it reminded me of Timekeepers, 2516 02:20:05.120 --> 02:20:09.319 of eternity mark or phrasing time Marago's shredding it. They're 2517 02:20:09.399 --> 02:20:13.879 both just kind of confronting even cinema's morality itself, because 2518 02:20:13.920 --> 02:20:18.159 you have those It's photographs, it's frozen, and then you 2519 02:20:18.239 --> 02:20:21.159 have the blink, which is my favorite moment of the 2520 02:20:21.399 --> 02:20:25.440 entire film. It's the moment that time remembers itself. And 2521 02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:28.280 I remember the first time I watched Logite was I 2522 02:20:28.440 --> 02:20:31.040 gasped at the blink, I couldn't believe it. And now 2523 02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:33.840 this time on a rewatch, I thought to myself just 2524 02:20:33.920 --> 02:20:36.719 how cruel it is because I knew how the story 2525 02:20:36.879 --> 02:20:39.239 was going to end, and it just reminds you that 2526 02:20:39.360 --> 02:20:43.280 that illusion of motion is just that, it's an illusion. 2527 02:20:43.879 --> 02:20:45.600 I love this film. I could also talk about this 2528 02:20:45.680 --> 02:20:47.479 film for hours still. 2529 02:20:47.520 --> 02:20:50.079 I mean as a romance, it just it pales in 2530 02:20:50.200 --> 02:20:54.440 comparison to the romance between Nick and Laurel, or the 2531 02:20:54.559 --> 02:20:57.120 romance between Albert and Little Bethany. 2532 02:20:58.559 --> 02:21:02.000 Yeah, I guess you're right, say whatever, who cares? And 2533 02:21:02.079 --> 02:21:04.719 then I was really glad to Martin when I brought 2534 02:21:04.799 --> 02:21:08.639 up goke Body Snatcher from Hell that you just vibe 2535 02:21:08.680 --> 02:21:10.680 with that and You're like, oh, yeah, any chance I 2536 02:21:10.760 --> 02:21:12.239 get to talk about that movie? And I was like, 2537 02:21:12.680 --> 02:21:15.600 fuck yeah, because I only saw that recently for another 2538 02:21:16.159 --> 02:21:18.920 podcast that I was on. I was just like, been 2539 02:21:19.000 --> 02:21:21.760 waiting to see this, finally had the excuse to see it. 2540 02:21:22.559 --> 02:21:24.239 Was so happy when I got to see it. And 2541 02:21:24.319 --> 02:21:26.239 the only reason really why I brought it up was 2542 02:21:26.280 --> 02:21:29.879 the idea of these people kind of again select group 2543 02:21:29.959 --> 02:21:32.680 of people trapped on an airplane or on an airplane, 2544 02:21:33.120 --> 02:21:36.319 weird shit happening, you know they I think they talk 2545 02:21:36.360 --> 02:21:39.360 about like a big flash or like the Aurora. Kind 2546 02:21:39.399 --> 02:21:41.040 of like the Aurora, how they talk about that and 2547 02:21:41.120 --> 02:21:44.239 the lengo leers Again, any excuse I get to talk 2548 02:21:44.280 --> 02:21:45.440 about this movie as well. 2549 02:21:46.159 --> 02:21:46.879 It's incredible. 2550 02:21:46.959 --> 02:21:47.159 Yeah. 2551 02:21:47.239 --> 02:21:49.159 I watched it for the first time last year and 2552 02:21:49.600 --> 02:21:52.399 immediately I watched it again the other night, and I 2553 02:21:52.479 --> 02:21:55.559 think that where the languel ears has that quiet unease. 2554 02:21:55.719 --> 02:21:59.879 This is just a moral meltdown. It's just the off 2555 02:22:00.360 --> 02:22:04.440 the sky is bleeding red. That's even commented on. Also, 2556 02:22:04.799 --> 02:22:07.479 I read somewhere that that's where Tarantino got the idea 2557 02:22:08.000 --> 02:22:09.639 of what is it from kill Bill? 2558 02:22:09.840 --> 02:22:09.959 Is it? 2559 02:22:10.200 --> 02:22:11.000 Yeah? The airplane? 2560 02:22:11.120 --> 02:22:13.399 Right, I heard that it comes from this, but that's 2561 02:22:13.600 --> 02:22:16.799 an aside. But yes, you have the sky bleeding red. 2562 02:22:17.559 --> 02:22:21.360 The passengers themselves to me all looked like stand ins 2563 02:22:21.399 --> 02:22:25.079 of corruption. So you have the politicians, the arm dealers, 2564 02:22:25.200 --> 02:22:28.000 the profiteers. I think there are as well, just like 2565 02:22:28.079 --> 02:22:32.559 a pressure cooker for humanities wrought And in that sense, 2566 02:22:32.600 --> 02:22:36.879 it actually kind of reminded me of Japan's Wild cousin 2567 02:22:37.200 --> 02:22:40.200 to the Flight that disappeared. They're similar in that sense 2568 02:22:40.239 --> 02:22:43.639 for those characters as well, we're also morally corrupt, and 2569 02:22:43.680 --> 02:22:46.600 they're being judged by these higher powers. I don't know 2570 02:22:46.680 --> 02:22:48.879 what they are in the flight that disappeared, maybe also 2571 02:22:49.000 --> 02:22:51.360 aliens or yeah, I don't know what they are, but 2572 02:22:51.440 --> 02:22:54.200 in Go Okay they are aliens. But it's also kind 2573 02:22:54.200 --> 02:22:56.840 of a judgment that comes from within the characters too, 2574 02:22:57.000 --> 02:23:00.639 because the aliens go into what is it there foreheads 2575 02:23:01.479 --> 02:23:04.360 and they kind of become the person. I think it's 2576 02:23:04.399 --> 02:23:06.840 an inverse of the Languliers, That's what I'm trying to say. 2577 02:23:06.879 --> 02:23:09.280 I think instead of a dead world drained of color, 2578 02:23:09.360 --> 02:23:14.319 this one is too alive, hysteria, color noise. Also like 2579 02:23:14.680 --> 02:23:18.600 a very very apparent anti war message as well. 2580 02:23:19.280 --> 02:23:21.159 Yeah, well, especially at the end when they kind of 2581 02:23:21.280 --> 02:23:25.760 go away from the one big set that well, they've 2582 02:23:25.799 --> 02:23:27.680 got the set of the airplane and then they've got 2583 02:23:27.760 --> 02:23:30.879 this cliff that takes so much of the rest of 2584 02:23:30.920 --> 02:23:33.079 the action. But when they get away from that area 2585 02:23:33.600 --> 02:23:35.840 and you see what the rest of the world has become, 2586 02:23:36.239 --> 02:23:38.600 it's kind of like I was saying, as they're flying, 2587 02:23:38.639 --> 02:23:40.440 it's like, well, what if there was war, you know, 2588 02:23:40.520 --> 02:23:42.719 what if something was happening on the ground and here 2589 02:23:43.559 --> 02:23:45.680 stuff is happening on the ground, like there's this whole 2590 02:23:45.719 --> 02:23:48.680 idea of, you know, an alien invasion. Oh and just 2591 02:23:49.040 --> 02:23:52.959 for the record, Kirk Cameron played Buck Williams and Brad 2592 02:23:53.040 --> 02:23:58.280 Johnson played the role that Nick Cage played Rayford Steel, 2593 02:23:58.799 --> 02:24:02.440 So what you cannot get a more manly name than 2594 02:24:02.600 --> 02:24:06.520 Rayford Steal. And then for me, one of you know, 2595 02:24:06.840 --> 02:24:11.239 my favorite shows was The Twilight Zone nineteen eighty five. 2596 02:24:11.319 --> 02:24:13.879 We did a whole podcast series on that called Dreams 2597 02:24:13.920 --> 02:24:18.600 for Sale, and it definitely was diminishing returns as the 2598 02:24:19.000 --> 02:24:21.559 series went on. But one of the better episodes, which 2599 02:24:21.600 --> 02:24:26.479 I think was an early episode, was one called A 2600 02:24:26.600 --> 02:24:29.719 Matter of Minutes, which was based on a Theater Sturgeon 2601 02:24:30.159 --> 02:24:34.520 short story called I Think Yesterday was Monday. It might 2602 02:24:34.600 --> 02:24:39.079 have a longer title. About yesterday was as a man 2603 02:24:39.159 --> 02:24:42.000 who wakes up he's gone to bed on a Monday 2604 02:24:42.079 --> 02:24:45.879 night and he wakes up on Wednesday morning because Tuesday 2605 02:24:46.000 --> 02:24:48.239 was skipped over. This is the short story. Tuesday was 2606 02:24:48.239 --> 02:24:52.959 skipped over because it wasn't built in time. And so 2607 02:24:53.200 --> 02:24:55.559 rather than it's kind of again the inverse, it's the 2608 02:24:55.639 --> 02:24:58.239 inverse of the Langoliers in so far as we get 2609 02:24:58.239 --> 02:25:01.600 to see the people who build the world rather than 2610 02:25:01.760 --> 02:25:04.079 the creatures that tear apart the world. And we get 2611 02:25:04.120 --> 02:25:08.600 to see Adolph Caesar as like a foreman who's in 2612 02:25:08.840 --> 02:25:12.200 charge of building the world. And we see you know, 2613 02:25:12.360 --> 02:25:15.360 Alan Arkin waking up and I can't remember who plays 2614 02:25:15.399 --> 02:25:17.680 his wife in this and they get to see like 2615 02:25:17.799 --> 02:25:21.879 this half finished world and it's kind of like, you know, 2616 02:25:21.920 --> 02:25:25.040 I was talking like main character vibes, right, it kind 2617 02:25:25.079 --> 02:25:27.520 of feels like the whole idea of like everything in 2618 02:25:27.639 --> 02:25:30.079 this world is built for me. Everybody else are just 2619 02:25:30.239 --> 02:25:32.520 like stand ins and players and that kind of stuff. 2620 02:25:32.559 --> 02:25:35.360 It feels like, oh, yeah, I'm going to leave my 2621 02:25:35.559 --> 02:25:37.520 house and I'm going to see the people that are 2622 02:25:37.520 --> 02:25:40.239 actually building the world that I'm about to enter into. 2623 02:25:40.399 --> 02:25:42.680 You know, nothing exists, you're talking about the spotlight effect. 2624 02:25:42.760 --> 02:25:46.319 Nothing exists except for what I see. And here's Adolph 2625 02:25:46.360 --> 02:25:49.040 Caesar like building all of these things with his crew 2626 02:25:50.200 --> 02:25:53.120 just in time for you know, Alan Arkin to you know, 2627 02:25:53.239 --> 02:25:56.079 come downstairs and see his living room or go out 2628 02:25:56.120 --> 02:25:58.559 to work and see his car and those kind of things. 2629 02:25:59.120 --> 02:26:01.120 It's kind of great because they're all dressed in like 2630 02:26:01.239 --> 02:26:04.440 these blue suits. You don't see their faces, they're just 2631 02:26:04.760 --> 02:26:08.319 blue head to tell. It's a simple premise. But that 2632 02:26:08.479 --> 02:26:11.079 was the thing I liked about Twilight's Only eighty five 2633 02:26:11.680 --> 02:26:14.920 was a lot of those segments were odd times. This 2634 02:26:15.120 --> 02:26:20.159 is sixteen minutes, just perfect amount. Don't give me any fat, 2635 02:26:20.360 --> 02:26:21.360 just give me all the meat. 2636 02:26:21.840 --> 02:26:24.440 So you're saying that each minute of time is a 2637 02:26:24.600 --> 02:26:31.079 different place, that's right. Why why what? Why does time 2638 02:26:31.200 --> 02:26:34.319 work like this? Because that's the way it works. 2639 02:26:34.840 --> 02:26:39.239 But we've been so hard on the CGI langaliers. You're 2640 02:26:39.239 --> 02:26:43.239 really being very lenient with the Blue Man group. Guys 2641 02:26:43.319 --> 02:26:47.479 in Blue Spandex as our langoliers just pulling that out. 2642 02:26:47.600 --> 02:26:51.479 Okay, I will cop to it. I agree, but it's 2643 02:26:51.559 --> 02:26:53.280 it's a simple premise. 2644 02:26:53.760 --> 02:26:55.879 See did you see the episode when it aired in 2645 02:26:55.959 --> 02:26:58.840 nineteen eighty I did, yes, So see, you're probably at 2646 02:26:58.840 --> 02:27:03.239 a more impressionable a and you're not as a baby 2647 02:27:03.319 --> 02:27:09.479 judgment of the cheap visuals. Blue Spandex is dazzling well. 2648 02:27:09.479 --> 02:27:12.079 And then Adolph Caesar's a foreman. You can tell because 2649 02:27:12.079 --> 02:27:15.440 he's dressed in yellow instead of the typical blue, and 2650 02:27:15.559 --> 02:27:18.719 he even gives like a little computer guided presentation as 2651 02:27:18.760 --> 02:27:22.000 to how time works. So yeah, I thought that was 2652 02:27:22.040 --> 02:27:24.360 a lot of fun. Yeah, it worked for me. 2653 02:27:24.920 --> 02:27:28.440 Are they blue men in the in the Theodore Sturgeon story. 2654 02:27:28.319 --> 02:27:30.079 That I don't know. I've never gone back and read 2655 02:27:30.159 --> 02:27:30.639 that story. 2656 02:27:30.959 --> 02:27:31.520 Why blue? 2657 02:27:31.600 --> 02:27:33.879 I wonder if that was just well, it's in the story, 2658 02:27:34.000 --> 02:27:35.639 so we have to do it, or if it was 2659 02:27:35.760 --> 02:27:38.120 just well, we got all these blue spandex suits lying 2660 02:27:38.159 --> 02:27:42.000 around from some other shows, so let's just utilize that. 2661 02:27:43.159 --> 02:27:45.280 I just can't believe that was Alan Ork And when 2662 02:27:45.280 --> 02:27:47.079 you said that, Mike, that blew my mind. I didn't 2663 02:27:47.079 --> 02:27:49.760 even realize I was watching Alan orkin the whole time. 2664 02:27:50.479 --> 02:27:56.520 Yeah, this is pre him in Northern Exposure, wasn't he 2665 02:27:56.600 --> 02:27:59.319 in that with like the long hair and the cap right. 2666 02:28:00.239 --> 02:28:02.600 Did not recognize them at all, And I was probably 2667 02:28:02.639 --> 02:28:04.520 too focused on the blue Man group. 2668 02:28:05.360 --> 02:28:07.840 And I did start to watch Into the Night the 2669 02:28:07.920 --> 02:28:13.079 other night, the Netflix series, which I am now after 2670 02:28:13.200 --> 02:28:15.760 watching the first episode, I'm pretty sure that I'm going 2671 02:28:15.840 --> 02:28:18.600 to watch the rest of it, or I'm at least 2672 02:28:18.680 --> 02:28:23.239 going to try to track down here's another pronunciation, the 2673 02:28:23.360 --> 02:28:27.000 old axel Latto that's like the Little Creature right. 2674 02:28:27.479 --> 02:28:28.520 That was actually about this. 2675 02:28:28.879 --> 02:28:32.079 Twenty fifteen Polish sci fi book that it's based on, 2676 02:28:32.840 --> 02:28:35.680 and it was an interesting concept. It's this whole idea 2677 02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:40.000 of the sun. Now, I'm not spoiling anything because it's 2678 02:28:40.079 --> 02:28:42.639 the first episode and they set this all up. The 2679 02:28:42.920 --> 02:28:51.479 sun is killing everyone. So basically, this Italian guy hijacks 2680 02:28:51.479 --> 02:28:55.920 a plane and they're just in the boarding process. So again, 2681 02:28:56.200 --> 02:28:59.840 limited amount of people, small group on this plane, all 2682 02:29:00.040 --> 02:29:05.280 from various backs, you know, backgrounds and everything, and he's like, 2683 02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:09.399 we need to go west. Like I know, we're supposed 2684 02:29:09.399 --> 02:29:11.600 to be going from this is set in Belgium, We're 2685 02:29:11.639 --> 02:29:14.760 supposed to be going from Belgium to Moscow, but no, 2686 02:29:14.920 --> 02:29:16.920 we're going to turn this plane around and we're going 2687 02:29:16.959 --> 02:29:19.959 to go west and we have to stay in the 2688 02:29:20.159 --> 02:29:23.319 dark as long as we can because the sun is 2689 02:29:23.399 --> 02:29:27.479 going to kill us. That's like the first episode is 2690 02:29:27.559 --> 02:29:31.159 them going from Belgium. They try to land in Iceland, 2691 02:29:31.280 --> 02:29:36.239 they see absolute chaos on the ground. They backtrack to Scotland, 2692 02:29:36.719 --> 02:29:38.639 which I know is going the wrong way, but they 2693 02:29:38.719 --> 02:29:42.559 still land before the sun comes up, and basically that's 2694 02:29:42.600 --> 02:29:45.600 where the episode is ending. They need some Scottish guys 2695 02:29:45.959 --> 02:29:47.920 and I'm just like, oh, I don't trust these guys. 2696 02:29:47.959 --> 02:29:50.319 I don't trust why they're still there. So I'm like, 2697 02:29:50.760 --> 02:29:53.159 very curious where this is going to go. But that 2698 02:29:53.319 --> 02:29:55.760 was a very fascinating concept, and again one of those 2699 02:29:55.799 --> 02:29:58.920 where I'm just like, Okay, group of people on a plane, 2700 02:29:59.280 --> 02:30:02.760 great premise, set up, and I'm just excited to see 2701 02:30:02.799 --> 02:30:03.559 where they go with it. 2702 02:30:04.520 --> 02:30:06.559 You may have sold me on this. This was when 2703 02:30:06.600 --> 02:30:08.799 I didn't get a chance to watch next to all 2704 02:30:08.840 --> 02:30:11.559 these other ones, but yeah, I want to check this out. 2705 02:30:11.600 --> 02:30:13.600 I think this whole exercise has taught me that I 2706 02:30:14.120 --> 02:30:18.719 enjoy watching terrifying things happen on planes on TV. 2707 02:30:19.600 --> 02:30:21.520 Yeah, only on TV, not in real life place. 2708 02:30:22.520 --> 02:30:25.399 You've given us a lot of recommendations for in flight 2709 02:30:25.559 --> 02:30:26.920 viewing for our next trip. 2710 02:30:27.079 --> 02:30:30.360 I think, yeah, didn't they used to cut stuff out 2711 02:30:30.520 --> 02:30:35.200 the scene from Fight Club the customers? Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah. 2712 02:30:35.239 --> 02:30:38.440 I don't know if there's a audible version of this 2713 02:30:38.840 --> 02:30:43.719 in English. There definitely is one in Polish, but yeah, 2714 02:30:43.760 --> 02:30:46.280 hopefully I can find a nice English translation of the 2715 02:30:46.520 --> 02:30:49.120 old Axel Lodel. And then yeah, I'm glad that you 2716 02:30:49.239 --> 02:30:52.479 made you bit the bullet and watched Flight World War two, 2717 02:30:53.120 --> 02:30:55.760 which as soon as I heard the title and saw 2718 02:30:55.840 --> 02:30:59.000 the premise, I was like, what was that whole thing like? 2719 02:30:59.120 --> 02:31:01.799 Back in the eighties where we kept doing time travel 2720 02:31:01.879 --> 02:31:06.520 with boats, like the Philadelphia Experiment, and there was another 2721 02:31:06.559 --> 02:31:09.719 one with like Martin Sheen, I think, where a battlecruiser 2722 02:31:09.959 --> 02:31:13.639 like went back in time and prevented Pearl Harbor. I 2723 02:31:13.719 --> 02:31:15.559 was just like, that was a that was a thing, right, 2724 02:31:15.799 --> 02:31:18.959 Like are we now doing movies of planes going back 2725 02:31:19.000 --> 02:31:21.600 and preventing World War two or fighting in World War Two. 2726 02:31:22.079 --> 02:31:23.879 I didn't make it that far into it because, like 2727 02:31:24.000 --> 02:31:27.040 I said, I saw Fronta here and I was just like, no, 2728 02:31:27.840 --> 02:31:29.719 I don't want to see him in a movie this bad. 2729 02:31:29.760 --> 02:31:32.280 Because I think I also saw the Asylum logo and 2730 02:31:32.319 --> 02:31:34.440 I was just like, yeah, no, I'm good, I'm good. 2731 02:31:35.079 --> 02:31:39.159 I was trying to think, how can you possibly connect 2732 02:31:39.239 --> 02:31:42.799 this to all these other things that I watched. I mean, 2733 02:31:42.840 --> 02:31:44.920 I guess you could say, obviously, it's it's on a plane. 2734 02:31:45.559 --> 02:31:50.239 The Bermuda Triangle is mentioned, as it is in Malnca years. 2735 02:31:50.520 --> 02:31:53.399 That's that's kind of it. The last Asylum film I watched, 2736 02:31:53.440 --> 02:31:56.399 I think it was actually Sharknado, don't I don't think 2737 02:31:56.399 --> 02:31:58.920 I've seen more than that. It was bad, it was 2738 02:31:59.200 --> 02:32:02.000 it was entertaining, though, I mean, nothing could have prepared 2739 02:32:02.079 --> 02:32:05.680 me for the halfway point where you'd hear, let's hijack 2740 02:32:05.760 --> 02:32:08.559 the plane and kill Hitler Verbatim. 2741 02:32:08.799 --> 02:32:13.600 So it was shocking. I just remember watching their whatever 2742 02:32:13.639 --> 02:32:17.280 their Pirates of the Caribbean ripoff was, because I was 2743 02:32:17.520 --> 02:32:19.639 I was working on a book with Lance Henrickson and 2744 02:32:19.760 --> 02:32:21.840 he was in it as a pirate, and it was 2745 02:32:22.760 --> 02:32:23.479 it was pretty bad. 2746 02:32:24.360 --> 02:32:27.760 As I mentioned, the CGI was at some points worse 2747 02:32:27.799 --> 02:32:30.159 than it was in the Lngliers. So that's saying a lot. 2748 02:32:31.040 --> 02:32:32.920 Yeah, that is saying something. Plus you have to have 2749 02:32:33.040 --> 02:32:35.479 the period costumes and oh boy. 2750 02:32:36.280 --> 02:32:38.920 Well lot not actually a lot. That's what I found 2751 02:32:39.000 --> 02:32:42.840 interesting is they're not interesting. Just I don't even know 2752 02:32:42.959 --> 02:32:46.280 what I thought. But ninety five percent of the movie 2753 02:32:46.600 --> 02:32:49.040 is on the plane, and then whatever is on ground 2754 02:32:49.280 --> 02:32:52.920 was maybe just two costumes or three costumes, get two 2755 02:32:53.079 --> 02:32:57.799 from the Allied forces and then one man that was 2756 02:32:57.920 --> 02:33:01.000 manning the telephones or tapping into all of that. But 2757 02:33:01.079 --> 02:33:03.639 he was a member of the Gestapo, which I mean, 2758 02:33:03.680 --> 02:33:07.319 why would he be specifically doing all this low level stuff. 2759 02:33:07.360 --> 02:33:09.639 It was funny, It was funny. What was it was 2760 02:33:09.719 --> 02:33:12.040 like ninety percent of it digital too, that there were 2761 02:33:12.159 --> 02:33:14.239 like the props and everything that's because this is what 2762 02:33:14.319 --> 02:33:16.280 I remember Lance telling me that they showed up on 2763 02:33:16.360 --> 02:33:18.399 a beach and it's like the actors on a beach 2764 02:33:18.479 --> 02:33:19.799 with a few pieces of wood and he's like, well, 2765 02:33:19.840 --> 02:33:21.520 where's the boat. Oh, we're going to see gi that 2766 02:33:21.639 --> 02:33:22.120 in later. 2767 02:33:23.000 --> 02:33:25.319 It was bad and everything is I mean, if you 2768 02:33:25.360 --> 02:33:28.920 see the Nazis, it's not one small flag, it's like five, 2769 02:33:29.680 --> 02:33:33.680 just in case you miss it, to make it very clear. Yeah, 2770 02:33:33.719 --> 02:33:36.360 So thank you for that, Mike. I think good palate 2771 02:33:36.440 --> 02:33:37.079 cleanser for me. 2772 02:33:37.920 --> 02:33:42.079 Quite a difference from Tarkowska. I'm sure. Final thoughts around 2773 02:33:42.799 --> 02:33:44.719 the Lengeliers before we wrap up. 2774 02:33:45.200 --> 02:33:49.920 I guess cgi aside, I thought there was something oddly 2775 02:33:50.040 --> 02:33:53.040 charming about this, but I think that's also in part 2776 02:33:53.159 --> 02:33:57.159 due to how much I love the story King's writing. 2777 02:33:57.239 --> 02:33:59.239 I think if it wasn't for that, I probably would 2778 02:33:59.280 --> 02:34:01.159 have gone into this liking it a lot less. 2779 02:34:01.959 --> 02:34:02.040 Jo. 2780 02:34:02.159 --> 02:34:06.040 How about yourself, I bring way too much baggage to 2781 02:34:06.479 --> 02:34:10.520 any Stephen King adaptation, or I've spent way too much 2782 02:34:10.600 --> 02:34:14.520 time thinking about adapting Stephen King and writing about adapting 2783 02:34:14.559 --> 02:34:15.079 Stephen King. 2784 02:34:15.200 --> 02:34:16.040 And I don't know. 2785 02:34:16.120 --> 02:34:18.719 I guess one of the questions that was sort of 2786 02:34:18.760 --> 02:34:20.719 popping in my ears. I was thinking about this is like, 2787 02:34:20.959 --> 02:34:26.520 is the Langaliers the worst or among the worst of 2788 02:34:26.639 --> 02:34:28.680 the Stephen King adaptations, because some of the other ones 2789 02:34:28.719 --> 02:34:32.680 that I think about, like DreamCatcher is terrible, you know, 2790 02:34:32.799 --> 02:34:35.840 on a really big budget with some really you know, 2791 02:34:35.959 --> 02:34:37.600 significant actors. 2792 02:34:38.799 --> 02:34:41.239 Horrible story though too it is. 2793 02:34:41.360 --> 02:34:42.200 It's a bad book. 2794 02:34:42.760 --> 02:34:44.920 It's like to watch it crash and burn is kind 2795 02:34:44.959 --> 02:34:49.799 of more fun, I think in watching The Langaliers, Stephen 2796 02:34:49.879 --> 02:34:55.799 King I remember referring to the original fire Starter as tasteless. 2797 02:34:56.120 --> 02:34:58.280 You know, they thought it was a really bland movie, 2798 02:34:58.520 --> 02:35:02.440 and he said it was like eating cafeteria mashed potatoes. 2799 02:35:03.319 --> 02:35:05.280 That's kind of how I feel about The Langeliers. 2800 02:35:05.760 --> 02:35:06.840 That's my final thought. 2801 02:35:07.600 --> 02:35:09.040 All right, we're going to take a break and we'll 2802 02:35:09.079 --> 02:35:11.799 be back with a preview for next week's episode. 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Until then, I want to 2815 02:35:48.639 --> 02:35:52.319 thank my co host for this episode, Marta and Joseph. So, Joseph, 2816 02:35:52.440 --> 02:35:53.879 what is the latest with you, sir? 2817 02:35:54.520 --> 02:35:58.079 Since I just invoked Lance Hendrickson, I guess I gave 2818 02:35:58.120 --> 02:36:03.239 myself a little segue here. The biography, the authorized biography 2819 02:36:03.319 --> 02:36:05.559 that that I co wrote with Lance many years ago, 2820 02:36:05.639 --> 02:36:07.920 which I think we talked about on the Projection booth 2821 02:36:08.680 --> 02:36:09.280 many months ago. 2822 02:36:09.520 --> 02:36:11.040 You even brought Lance along with you. 2823 02:36:11.639 --> 02:36:15.079 That book has just been republished. It was a limited 2824 02:36:15.200 --> 02:36:18.319 edition that came out in twenty eleven and then sort of, 2825 02:36:18.559 --> 02:36:20.920 you know, disappeared and can only be found for high 2826 02:36:21.000 --> 02:36:23.920 prices on eBay now, except that Harker Press has just 2827 02:36:24.840 --> 02:36:26.479 put that book out again, so that is out in 2828 02:36:26.520 --> 02:36:31.239 the world. Ironically, I just got back from Bangor, Maine 2829 02:36:31.280 --> 02:36:34.559 a few days ago doing some research on the third 2830 02:36:34.719 --> 02:36:40.920 volume of adapting Stephen King, which will cover adaptations of Kujo, 2831 02:36:41.239 --> 02:36:45.440 The Dead Zone, fire Starter, and Christine. Hopefully i'll have 2832 02:36:45.600 --> 02:36:46.360 that out next year. 2833 02:36:46.479 --> 02:36:49.760 You are right there in that Golden Age as opposed 2834 02:36:49.799 --> 02:36:51.280 to the Golden Years. 2835 02:36:51.360 --> 02:36:55.719 That is cinematic brand Stephen King established right there. But 2836 02:36:55.840 --> 02:36:58.440 because all those came out within like you know, a 2837 02:36:58.840 --> 02:37:01.600 six month time period or something verdictuous. 2838 02:37:01.879 --> 02:37:03.840 And Marta, how about yourself, what's new in your world? 2839 02:37:04.920 --> 02:37:08.719 I just wrapped up coverage on the Vancouver International Film 2840 02:37:08.799 --> 02:37:11.879 Festival October twelfth, and then I dove straight into this. 2841 02:37:12.319 --> 02:37:16.520 But recently I published an essay on Paul Vechiali, a 2842 02:37:16.600 --> 02:37:20.840 French filmmaker who's been largely forgotten in the West until 2843 02:37:21.520 --> 02:37:26.200 Radiance Films recently restored Rosella Rose I feel Publique. So 2844 02:37:26.319 --> 02:37:29.680 that was a real labor of love to highlight his 2845 02:37:29.799 --> 02:37:34.120 work and career because interestingly enough, there's barely any information 2846 02:37:34.479 --> 02:37:38.479 on him online in English, no books published in English either. 2847 02:37:38.760 --> 02:37:43.520 So that's live on rewind and revive dot com. And 2848 02:37:43.600 --> 02:37:45.200 now I'm toying with the idea of seeing if I 2849 02:37:45.239 --> 02:37:48.399 can pitch a screening or multiple screenings of his work 2850 02:37:48.440 --> 02:37:51.879 here in Vancouver. But in the meantime, Rewind and Revived 2851 02:37:51.879 --> 02:37:55.280 it's my main home, both publication and podcast, and that's 2852 02:37:55.840 --> 02:37:58.399 all focused on film history and physical media. 2853 02:37:59.079 --> 02:38:01.000 Well, thank you so much, guys for being on the show. 2854 02:38:01.079 --> 02:38:03.600 Thanks to everybody for listening. 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Every donation we 2865 02:38:32.959 --> 02:38:35.520 get helps the Projection Booth take over the world. 2866 02:39:15.760 --> 02:39:16.920 What happened. 2867 02:39:25.680 --> 02:39:26.639 To Di? 2868 02:39:38.879 --> 02:39:41.000 I w to hold? 2869 02:39:46.239 --> 02:39:47.399 I like to do? 2870 02:39:59.040 --> 02:40:00.559 Gone up by. 2871 02:40:10.840 --> 02:40:17.319 The Campo three land side Man. 2872 02:40:20.000 --> 02:40:20.239 Yeah. 2873 02:40:25.159 --> 02:41:03.159 When when I don't like you at Beyond Sign, I 2874 02:41:04.639 --> 02:41:14.639 will water do't tking night. 2875 02:41:20.200 --> 02:41:59.520 And I don't see as a nott a, I donna 2876 02:42:11.200 --> 02:42:13.040 who we think? 2877 02:42:24.239 --> 02:43:03.719 My lot the Sunday It's got you as beforma