Speaker 1: Off the Bench. We have to Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
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Speaker 1: Plays get broken down and science gets denied. Off the Bench,
Our two of Off the Bench Live from the Raisin
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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in our number two of o TV.
Here live from the Raising Kines Studio. And our guy,
doctor Stephen Athriche here with us as he joined us
every single Wednesday. I feel like I've been out every
Wednesday for a very long time. So Doc, good to
see you.
Speaker 4: It's been a minute.
Speaker 5: Yeah, get everybody here today. Super Bowl vacation combine.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the wolf that hadn't been in the room
in a long time together, but we're here today.
Speaker 5: Would you like to hear Matt Flinn Howe love to love?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said this guy can Actually, this guy can
throw touchdowns at l s U and the SEC can
throw touchdowns in the National Football League. He can run
a very successful hydration company. He is pissed poor at Howling.
Speaker 6: Well, like I's practice, I don't do it a lot,
you know, And I got a little confused earlier. It
was early, hadn't had a lot of coffee. So we'll
get we'll.
Speaker 5: Be better when you get to the tape by howling.
Speaker 2: Well I was.
Speaker 6: I was about like, I was like, what comes first?
Where the inflection point needs to be? And then I
just went, oh last time, oh yeah, like who got
not good?
Speaker 2: It wasn't good, Doc Hey handing the year.
Speaker 6: The credit to myself for taking the credit, taking the
blame and having full self awareness about my howling skills.
Speaker 7: They're kind of hard to like not take the blame
for it because they're just so bad.
Speaker 2: A lot of people, you know, dig their feet in
they're like.
Speaker 8: No, that was good, that was it, but everybody is
telling you they're a bad You can't dig your feet.
Speaker 5: In on that, allow myself to myself.
Speaker 3: But you just did basically Okay, yes, that's good, that's good.
I heard you in doc talking about youth baseball. Yeah,
as we were coming. Yeah, probably a pretty I would
assume this time of year, every year, a little hot
topic for you. I'm sure you get some of your
friends to say, hey, little Johnny's throwing this amount of pitches,
Little Johnny's arms a little sore right now. It's so
different than when any of us grew up. Sure, when
we grew up there wasn't as many games, Like you
played like on a Wednesday night and league play and
you catch the next Wednesday, and you know, little Johnny
would pitch and then little Richie would pitch. Well, now
it's like you got these tournaments and their Friday, Saturday,
Sunday and you could play gosh eight games, right, and
there's pitch Counter's pitch limits. But even that, it's like, okay,
well some coaches are going to push those limits. How
many questions this time of year do you get about
arm soreness from just the youth level.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's it's it's a lot, and it's a
real thing, and it's it's something we need to be
mindful of. You know, I think, I think to your point,
it's so different than it was, you know, really not
even that long ago.
Speaker 4: But it's changed a lot.
Speaker 8: You know, like you said, we'd play a few games,
maybe you'd have that one tournament at the end of
the year, or some of these kids would go play
in their All Star league, which would be in the summer.
But but you know, now you have fall ball, you
have summer ball, you have club ball, you have metro ball,
you have all these different leagues. Kids are playing in
a league team and a tournament team. They're traveling in
the tournaments, like you said, they might be playing eight games.
If you know, if you make that winner's bracket, you
keep going, how many.
Speaker 4: Kids you got on the team.
Speaker 8: You know, most of these most these rosters aren't aren't
big enough. So everybody's got a pitch. And yeah, and
it does become a problem.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: It's it's this time of year, especially once you really
get into late March April. I mean, if you come
by and hang out my clinic almost every afternoon, I'm
gonna have a kid or two. This guy an elbow
or a shoulder, it is hurting from baseball. And then
that's just going to read the reality. And and and
even when coaches try and do right, we were talking
about it, you know, there are pitch limits, and like
you said, some coaches will push it. And but but
then sometimes, like I said, you have this kid playing
on two or three teams, and I'm, uh, you know,
if I'm doing the right thing, and you're doing the
right thing, but I don't know what he did with you.
And right then, on top of that, you're going to
your pitching lessons and and and you're doing all this
other stuff. Everybody's got their private lessons. It's it's really
become a thing. And and and you know, the the unfortunate
thing is driven by money. Let's just be honest. You Yeah,
these these these coaches, these these leagues, everybody's making money.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 8: And so it's probably not the best interest of these
kids to play baseball year round and to throw that much.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: And when we were growing up, you had one season
and then most of us played something else. You know,
there's these kids that you didn't specialize when you were twelve.
You know, you played you played football in the in
the fall, you played soccer, you played basketball, you ran track,
you did baseball.
Speaker 4: And it was it was.
Speaker 8: And there's something for that too, the training, the different
muscle groups. You know, we we we all feel that
multi sport athletes, it's better for your body and and
you're probably a better athlete in the long run.
Speaker 4: But there's so much pressure to be that guy.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's a it's a it's an epidemic.
Speaker 6: Specializing for youth sports is like the worst thing, like
in my mind that can happen, Like play a lot
of sports. It's how you said, like even from like
a medical statement, like training, you train different muscle grips,
but like to be a better athlete, play different sports.
Speaker 5: Be a kid.
Speaker 4: There's so much pressure.
Speaker 2: There's so much that in there. There's a lot of
and I was saying.
Speaker 3: That that was one of the cool parts of the
combine is we had these bios of all these different
players and then you'd go into high school like wrestler, track, basketball, soccer, baseball.
So the guys that are in Indianapolis trying to go
to the National Football League, every one of them, to
a man, had something right, They had something else in
high school that they did. I we didn't come across
one person that didn't play anything but football.
Speaker 5: Yep. And they're making it to the next levels the best.
Speaker 8: The best thing you can probably find that just about
every sport. I mean, there comes a point you know
when you get cut it down for five when you're
when you're twelve, may play four sports.
Speaker 4: When you're fourteen, maybe you go to three.
Speaker 5: And then I.
Speaker 6: Focused on one when I got to because I had to.
I didn't want to, but I had to because I
was at a big school.
Speaker 5: You played baseball.
Speaker 6: I thought, oh my god, yeah that was my sport.
I didn't play football until seventh grade, and I got
beat out. I didn't mean, like actually play football till
eighth grade.
Speaker 5: So it was.
Speaker 6: Like the yeah, the specialized in sports. So my son
was playing basketball two weeks ago. It was at the
y m c A and playing like I think that
last game of the season. The sign on the wall
was like the big thing said nobody's given out scholarships today,
and I was like, yeah, that's the best. That's that's
a great I should be on every youth sport field
court whatever.
Speaker 3: Nobody's getting drafted all this game today, No, not one
thinking person.
Speaker 6: So I got into that conversation because I pitched growing
up and uh felling gas doc obviously, but my dad
being said dad would only So my dad pitched growing up.
He played quarterbacks, so he was he was my coach
and everything. So I do a four seamed fastball, two
seamed fastball. I had a nasty circle change. But he
would never let me throw a curveball, never let me
practice it, wouldn't even show me the grip for it.
And he said, when you turn sixteen, you can drive
a car. I'll teach you the curveball. And he's like,
just because you're this is probably an old, really old
school mentality, but he's like, just because your your bone structure,
you're looking like nothing is formed the right way and
you could really hurt your elbow throwing a curveball. That's,
of course the twisting the torque, and you've got to
create enough torque that hurts something, of course, and I
could do that, but is that And it's like, and
I'm not asking you, like what pitches they should or
shouldn't throw, but like, do you see elbowed issues on
youth pitchers today come through your clinic because of have
you ever been able to point to that is there
any validity to what basically my dad was telling me
when I was growing up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So it's a it's an interesting question because it
is one that even in people who do a lot
of youth baseball sports medicine, there's a little bit of
a debate there with the whole curveball thing. Now, yeah,
I think the I think the safe rule is one volume.
So volume is the number one thing, so more so
than anything else, how much volume? How much are you
throwing here into pitch counts, making sure these kids get
their rest, making sure you know all those things. You know,
I think you know, one of the numbers i've here
is you shouldn't you shouldn't do any more hours than
you are years old in a week of any sport training.
So if you're twelve, you shouldn't do more than twelve
hours on a week, which you know most of our
teams are going way over that.
Speaker 5: Yeah twelve Yeah.
Speaker 4: A week too, mind you. So that's not a day,
it's a week.
Speaker 8: But the curve ball thing, you know, there's some of
the more recent data that a lot of people are
talking about, is maybe not as crucial as long as
you're doing the volume.
Speaker 4: And then the other thing is technique in form.
Speaker 8: You know, I think that you can make arguments either
way having really good technique, having really good form, making
sure that you're not, you know, having having poor mechanics,
because that that's probably a bigger risk.
Speaker 4: And then and again, you know, getting paid to coach it.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 8: You know, I think, well, I think if you if
you follow that rule, because of of the more complexity
that comes into throwing a curveball, if you follow the
rule of hey, I'm gonna wait until basing my growth
plates are closed to have my kids throw curves.
Speaker 4: You're probably safer, you.
Speaker 8: Know, because unless unless you're really really good with that
mechanics and technique, which is your point, everybody's gonna feel
like they probably are. You know, I coached my son's
base I'll be the first day, I was a horrible
baseball coach, you know, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Was like I was a raw, raw guy on the dugout.
That was all I was good at.
Speaker 8: But but you know, I didn't play baseball for very long,
so I made sure I didn't try to mess with
these kids. And you know, but because that's the reality,
it's it's but if if you really want to follow
the rules, volume is the big thing. How much pitching
they're doing, how much throwing they're doing, how much total
baseball they're getting in a week, that's probably where you
can get into the most trouble. But it's hard, you know,
because like we said, you know how many kids are
playing on multiple teams and how many of them, and
look the kids are gonna do with the coaches tell them.
Then everybody wants to win, and I get it. I've
had those competitive juices we all have and you got
to know and to rein it in and it's it's
easier said than done.
Speaker 5: I respect that.
Speaker 3: So you work with a lot of young athletes, It's
is baseball by far the most that you feel like
probably come in just because like everything you just laid
out that, I mean, there's so many different games, there's
so many different coaches, there's so many different things that
unfortunately can go wrong. That probably like the highest volume
unfortunately right now, and you.
Speaker 8: Sports, if we're talking like the overuse injuries, yeah, right now,
I will say a lot of other sports are making
a hard argument to catch up.
Speaker 4: You know, volleyball has become year round, soccer coming year round.
Speaker 5: I've had a lot of soft.
Speaker 8: Tissue in soccer out of that, a lot of you
get a lot of volleyball, you know, it's a lot
of they are overhead, so a lot of shoulders, so
you know, it's a lot of the overhead stuff, you know.
And then you know, look a lot of the cheer dance, gymnastics,
all those are a year round and and you know
I've had you know, stress fractures and all kinds of
stuff and young young dancers and young cheerleaders and gymnastics
is brutal. Yeah, I tell everybody on on campus that
those are the toughest athletes we have out there. I
be the best athletes because that stuff they do and
what they have to fight through this time of year,
they're all banged up and and they've been doing for
so long. So it's it's like I said, it's baseball
is the one because of volume, because how many kids
are playing baball too.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of kids, you know.
Speaker 8: It's just like, look at my clinic, I'll probably see
more soccer related concussions than football because of howny kids
are playing soccer. So you have to take all that
into consideration with volume. But yeah, baseball, baseball is still
the king on that one. But like I said, there's
some people making a push.
Speaker 6: I feel like there's got to be like there's probably
some baseball lifers out there that are disc that are
going to disagree and have all these stats back in that.
But like if you could just take a view at
let's say college baseball, there's so many pictures with elbow issues, right.
Lsho's had so many in the last five six years.
The elbow issues they keep them out for season, half season,
whatever it did. I feel like we were talking about
this before you came on, like back the back in
the day, like people would go out there and throw
double headers, so they would flow complete games all the time, right, Like, yeah,
and you'd never heard about this. So of course there's
media now you can hear about more things. But like
there's got to be some sort of correlation with the
youth sports today playing your round, just like you said
that repetition that wear and tear, like these ligaments are
rubber bands and an old rubber band.
Speaker 8: Back in the day, these guys were throwing double headers,
but they probably weren't.
Speaker 2: But they did it four months a year, and.
Speaker 4: They probably weren't doing it when they were twelve. They
weren't doing it.
Speaker 8: You know, they weren't throwing four double heads in there twelve,
you know, they weren't.
Speaker 4: They were playing one game a week like we said earlier.
Speaker 8: So so I mean, I do wonder about how you know,
I think I think a lot of it is these
kids that come in that we've had here at LSU,
so many of them have come in with elbow troubles.
I think the majority of them came in with some issues,
maybe not not having already had the injury, but they've
already get the mileage they've already got to wear.
Speaker 4: And then also guys are throwing faster.
Speaker 8: How many guys you've see now throwing ninety You know
back in the day that was crazy. If you have
one or two guys in your roster, let's go right now,
it's I mean almost all of our guys out there, Contron.
Speaker 5: It's like a guy you never heard of throwing ninety four. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I felt like back in the day is like the
people that threw hard, you couldn't really figure out why,
But now we kind of know why with somelaw motion
and media, like people can coaches can explain how you
create your torque, how you create your leverage, how you
can actually levers throughout your body to create the lag
to the to the wrist of the ball to the arm. Yeah,
create that speed. Some people are doing it. The body
might just not be built for it, would you say, too,
like maybe some aren't conditioned.
Speaker 3: Maybe the conditioning process to get to a point where
you can handle all the activity on your arm too.
I mean I feel like that is really important, like
to make sure just like any muscle. It's like if
I know I'm going to use this muscle during this
year for me, and it's gonna sound funny because I'm
a meat heead. Like for me, it was neck like
before we went into like a football season, I know
it's gonna play running back, fullback, and man, I was
gonna get some extra neckwork in because I did not
want to have stingers.
Speaker 5: I want to have a strong neck, and that was
my thought process.
Speaker 3: I think some of that too, is because like you
just you start this this season and you never really
gave yourself any time to recover, but then you didn't
build yourself back up to be able to handle those innings.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think that's a big part of it.
You know, I definitely remember doing the neck workouts as well.
We got plenty of those in. But yeah, I think
you know, it's it's and again it's when you're throwing
so hard. You know, we talked about the curve ball,
but the other thing is how hard are you throwing?
You know, these guys that are throwing just I mean,
that's a lot of torque to put on an arm,
right you're throwing you know, ninety to one hundred miles hours,
over and over and over, and and you know it
doesn't take much, and you know it's it's a you know,
one of my colleagues that told me, you know, you
kind of use the metaphor you think about if you're
going around a sharp bend and you're in like a
sports car, you're in a corvette, you're in a Ferrari
something like that, you're going quick around that corner.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just the slightest little little pitch of the slightest.
Speaker 8: Little curve and all of a sudden you're going over
the edge, you know. And it's it's a lot different
when you're going in that that you know, pinto and
you're going slow.
Speaker 4: You ain't gonna roll over the side.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: That's me throwing. I'm not worried about an arm injury.
Probably I can't throw hard.
Speaker 8: But these guys that have that elite arm speed and
arm arm velocity, you know, one little thing in their technique,
and that can happen from is my core strong enough?
Speaker 4: Am I am?
Speaker 5: I am?
Speaker 8: I getting fatigued, my technique gets bad, and then you
have that injury. And that's that's I think a big
part of it.
Speaker 6: I feel like there should be a baseball for pictures.
There should be a weight limit in four. You have
to be a certain weight to be able to throw
ninety eight and above. Like when the skinny boys do it,
they're the ones that get the problems. When Paul Skins
does it, looks pretty normal.
Speaker 5: It's a large human.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, skinny boys shouldn't be throwing that fast yourself.
Speaker 5: Is that your medical advice? That's medical.
Speaker 2: Skinny boys got to create sewing that elbows out there.
Paul Skins is just like right in the tonnel.
Speaker 4: We're going to talk to coach on that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll get the study done.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Big Youth Baseball is gonna let
us get that study.
Speaker 5: Through, but yeah, document man, we look forward to it
every week.
Speaker 4: We appreciate it, sir, my pleasure.
Speaker 5: All Right, we will step away.
Speaker 3: We've got Kim Mulkey joining us in about fifteen minutes
from now to kind of preview the SEC basketball tournament.
We'll do that for you much more when we come
back here on ot B Live from.
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I never had his record, his disc tape.
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Speaker 3: You didn't listen to Usher growing up, so when you
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Speaker 5: Uh did y'all pass them out?
Speaker 2: I did not like.
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that big roll of tower, the tower blanks. Then you
got the you could print out the they had the
custom templates, print out the sticker and.
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right back out. Yeah, your computer shivered when you bought
that Tower CD. The new line was about to give
it everything. And yeah, somebody said, not give up. That
was too respectable to put Limeware on the family canter.
I actually the family computer. I downloaded the O G Napster.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then college was more like LimeWire people, not Rap City.
Speaker 5: But do you all remember rhaps I do, but I
went I would. Rhapsody was a little after them. I
remember rap Limelier had a competitor.
Speaker 6: It was the same thing. I think it was called
Kaza Kazza. And then later in college it was torrents.
You were download torrents that I don't remember, Uh, download
these torents. You can download whole albums in like two seconds.
And it was fit on a CD. Pretty well all
behavior out there, you know what else as well behavior.
We don't talk politics on the show, not a lot.
Speaker 5: God, but pizza, pizza went up. Pizza sales around the Pentagon.
There's kind of something going on.
Speaker 6: Makes a lot of sense, and so we don't talk.
We're not going to we're not going to like dive
into geopolitical We're not going to dive into them. But
it's real and yeah, it's but the pizza sales, you're saying,
keep your hand on swivel, keep.
Speaker 5: You had on.
Speaker 9: You like dominoes or props or whoever in DC, Like,
are you hoping for something bad to happen another international
conflict to spike these sales a little bit?
Speaker 2: I think some.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know, but a lot of
pizza going around. I don't know if you're hoping. I
don't think everybody likes to admit that, but certainly a
lot of pizza. But we certainly praying for our troops,
playing for the people out there.
Speaker 3: Anytime I hear pizza, I still think of Coach Miles, Like,
first day you.
Speaker 5: Had the audacity to order a pizza in the classroom.
Speaker 2: Pizza, I think a pizza.
Speaker 5: Oh, straight to the classroom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody ordered a pizza to the classroom and everybody
had to run.
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, that's time's a Ridgemont High.
Speaker 6: No, no, And everyone had to watched them. Remember we watched
them run. I thought we had to run, and then
they had might we might have had.
Speaker 3: We ran a little bit, and then they ran stadiums
and we sat there and watched them run stadiums.
Speaker 5: But we didn't know this man.
Speaker 3: I mean, he recruited me at Oklahoma State, but I
didn't know him, know him, knew coach Monkin Todd Monkey
was now the coach of the Browns. Funny enough, because
he was my primary recruiter. I talked to last like
once or twice. But the audacity to order.
Speaker 6: Up, that's probably the from our age group and our team.
That's probably the most quoted Miles thing he ever said.
Speaker 3: I would say that's one and take a lap, making
a long lap. It's number two.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: You probably didn't have to do that though a whole lot,
because it was like if you fumble it or if
you like hit a guy. Late quarterbacks probably didn't have
to do that very much. Actually, Marcus actually fumbled a
couple snaps. I do remember him happening to do it,
expect when you used to go under center.
Speaker 9: I always say that if if you get in trouble
for something, didn't make it count, order you to pizza
to your classrooms a lead.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 5: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: If it's a good pizza.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, but that that's a good Did you share
with the class No?
Speaker 3: I bet it was mister Gaddy's. Remember it used to
be right there, like close to key delivery. It was
by well where Louise is. Now that you said, what
was that when we were in college, it wasn't Louise
obviously Louise was down the road.
Speaker 5: Was it a Wendy's?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, dollar menu, chicken sandwich, lots of those.
Speaker 3: All right, we were going to step away and uh
whuendn't we come back?
Speaker 5: What was the segment?
Speaker 9: What was herd CDs and running for pizza?
Speaker 5: This was the wolf facts backs? What this was? So back?
Speaker 3: You put all four brains together and we come up
with one in between two interview segments. Yeah, yeah, what
do we do? I could talk talk salary cap and
transition tag and franchise tags and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the quote I was trying to look
out when he was talking about Pama John's wanting disaster
to happen. I think this came from Churchill World War two.
I think other leaders have also said this, never let
a good crisis go to waste.
Speaker 4: There you.
Speaker 2: I like it, People don't love the message. People like so.
Speaker 3: I mean, what other show can go from burnt CDs
and mister Daddy's to one of the best coaches in
college basketball, Kim Molkey this show, and we're gonna do
it when we come back here on TV.
Speaker 1: Off the Bench, Off the Bench presented by Hoodental.
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back he in OTV here live from
the Raising Kines Studio. Always our pleasure every single Wednesday
at eight point thirty to catch you up with the
head basketball coach of the LSU Tigers.
Speaker 5: Coach Kim Mulki joins us now. Coach. Always appreciate it,
always look forward to it. Hope you're doing well, doing.
Speaker 7: Great, guys, doing good. Just backing out of the garage
and the practice this morning and going to head to Rainville,
South Carolina this afternoon for a conference tournament.
Speaker 10: So we're right in the sick of things absolutely, and coach,
you know, we've had a chance to catch up obviously
over the last couple of weeks, but just kind of
going back in one of the things that I love
if you have a you know, a tough loss against
South Carolina, but then have a gritty, incredible, gritty win
on the road, a and soul mess and then since
then you take care of Missouri and Tennessee at home,
you go on the road and get a great win
and a tough place to play at Mississippi State.
Speaker 3: So the way your team's responded heading into this SEC tournament,
do you feel like you are in a great spot
because you've had a couple of different wins that have
been different ways. Some have been coming from behind, some
have been dominating the game, and this team and your
team look like you are heading into the SEC tournament
in a big way.
Speaker 7: I felt all year long that we just haven't had
losses that have devastated us. We have had disappointments, you know,
misfree throws here, turn over there losing composure a little bit.
But if you look at our four losses, it's learning opportunities.
Did we get better? Did we lose multiple games because
of it? The only back to back game we lost
games we lost was right out of the gate in
the SEC, and I feel like we've grown from that now.
The conference tournament is not something I emphasized. Certainly as competitors,
we want to win it, but and you know, we're
going in the South Carolina territory as we do every year.
But regardless of what happens there, most important is the
the nca Playoffs, and we'll find out on Sunday the fifteenth,
do we host here and where we go? And that's
the fun part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Coach, It's one of the things I look forward
to every single year, is kind of asking you about
the SEC tournament because every single year, I know you
kind of look at it a little differently. And you
know in years past you've talked about, hey, what did
we do last year? Okay, that's what we did last year.
We'll see if we can do one game better. Because
obviously the I is on the NCAA tournament. So as
you look at this current setup for the SEC Tournament,
you're going to have obviously a by situation where you
get a chance to kind of see what's going to
be in front of you there. Maybe what's the mindset
heading into this year's SEC basketball tournament.
Speaker 7: Well, they've been off for two days since our last game,
So we'll get in the film room this morning. Oklahoma
is in our brack. Get in. They're sitting there waiting
to see who they're gonna play, and then we'll play
the winner of Oklahoma and whoever comes up. So we'll
prepare today and probably go over Oklahoma today and then
see what happens. But when we get on the floor,
it's gonna just be sharp. It's gonna just you know,
do some things to sharpen up what we need to do.
Rather that's transition defense, attacking zones, may be even working
on our presses, just anything that we may need, not
just in the SEC tournament but in the NCAA tournament.
So that's what we'll spend a lot of time on.
We'll congratulate the players that made All SECS, sixth Player
of the Year and Freshman Team, but we don't dwell
on that much. Those players know that with good success
as a team. Individual accolades will happen, but they just
move on and there'll be a hard work day because
we have to get up at six in Greenville and
practice on the court tomorrow for forty five minutes, or
if we choose not to do it, we won't be
on that floor until game time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we certainly want to get to the individual awards
and highlight them on this show with you. But but first,
let's talk a little bit more about this SEC tournament.
So you you took care of business, You did what
you had to do the last two games to secure
that double buy for the tournament. How much of advantage
do you think that gives you just being able to
see just the teams play in front of you once
maybe twice before you get the match. How big good
advantage is that for you?
Speaker 7: Well, the advantage is resting, you know, the advantages they
start play today, And think about this, those that play today,
they would have to win five games in five days
to win the SEC tournament. And really that's unheard of.
And I always say SEC or should I say conference
tournaments or for two reasons one Cinderellas get an automatic bid.
How often do you ever see that on the women's side, yes,
you can see on the men's side, and I think
also it may be a money maker for some leagues,
and I would say it's a money maker for the men.
So I've just never been a big proponent of SEC
or conference tournaments, even when we've won so many there
at Baylor through the years. I mean, we won like
eleven straight SEC titles in a row, and then we'd
go and have to play in the conference tournament and
try to win that. It's just a lot of things
not good can happen if you're a high seed. You
lose man or is it a selection committee going to
a punish you for that, or even injuries. So I'm
not saying all this because I have a bad attitude
going there. We're competitors. We're gonna prepare just like we
do every game. But people know that. I think it's
just a waste on the women's side. But we'll prepare
and we'll go up there and try to win three games.
Speaker 3: And to win it good enough with LSU had basketball
coach Kim Moulky here on OTB coach, what about the
NCAA tournament and you're going to be hosting it's going
to be here in the PMAC in ben Rouge. But
how much do you try to, if at all, do
you try to figure out maybe possibilities that you would
face and try to get a leg up on maybe
preparing for those teams or is it Hey, we find
out on selection Day and then we start to get
to work at that point.
Speaker 7: The only thing I can tell you when we go
into selection Sunday is we're going to be in there
and we're going to host the first and second round games.
The top sixteen seeds get to do that. I never
ever know what our seed number will be, whether it's two, three,
it doesn't really matter to me. I've won when we
were one seeds. I've lost when we were one seeds.
I've won when we're two. You know, we won the
Natty here and we were a three seed. The other
part is you just do not know the other three
teams that will be sent to you. And that's a
good thing. That's a fun part. Think about this. We're
heading to the SEC tournament, guys, and think about who
we're gonna have to play. Is probably tougher than playing
in the NCAA tournament. When you get to a final four.
You've got South Carolina ranked third, You've got Texas ranked fourth,
You've got Vanderbilt fifth, worse six in some polls. You're
not gonna see that at a final four. That's how
tough this league is this particular year.
Speaker 6: Because let's talk about in the in a fan obviously
the toughest conference and it's ultra prepared for the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 6: In the SEC handed out some awards, so let's highlight
highlight those ladies a little bit with the Malaysia four
Wiley sixth Woman of the Year FLA Je Johnson First
Team All I see MICHAELA. Williams First Team All SEC
is at Kai Johnson all freshmen. Of course, it's about
the team and you're going to celebrate them quickly and
get on about the team. But of course in basketball
like you can't have that team without those individuals. So
certainly well represent of you and your squad and a
great to get those individual achievements for your team. Just
talk about them just for a moment.
Speaker 7: You're happy for the individuals, I know it. It kind
of boosts their pride and boosts their confidence. But at
the end of the day, the type of program we
run is that maybe you don't get those awards if
we don't have good seasons, right, and so they understand that,
they understand the individual awards are not bigger than the
team awards, and so you acknowledge it. It but it won't
be long. It'll just say congratulations to you, guys. You
know awards. Guys, y'all know this. You've been in athletics
through entire lives. Awards are somebody's opinions, and sometimes we
get it right and sometimes we get it wrong. We
can't vote for our own players. We nominate our players
and then the other coaches vote for them. And I
have learned in forty years of doing this that there
are some really bad selections sometimes because coaches try to
protect their own and instead of doing what's right, they'll,
you know, lowball of kids so their kid can can
make it. And then there are those years where I
always wanted you to put your name on your ballot.
Don't do it anonymously. Put your name on a ballot,
because I feel like if you put your name on
a ballot when you vote, it's pretty much fair. I'll
give an example. Full Wally wasn't on the all defensive team,
but yet she's up for defensive National Player of the Year.
She's like, you know, it's so cute and funny, and
I'll just use me as an example. I don't give one.
I don't get more money, I don't care about Coach
of the Year any of that stuff. But it was
so funny to me. My second year at LSU, my
first year, I'm sorry. At LSU, we had that big turnaround.
Remember it's the team had won what's nine game and
finished bottom of the SEC, and man, we come in
here and we finished second in the league, biggest turnaround
in SEC history. And I get two votes for Coach
of the Year. I'm good with that, but it was
so aggravating to me because I then had to go
to the final four and pick up ap National Coach
of the Year. And I just thought that was so funny,
and you know, I didn't want either one. But it
gives you an example of, you know, everybody trying to
protect their own and everybody has different opinions, and I've
always believed give the Coach of the Year to the
people who win the league. That way, you take out
all the politics of everybody personal vendettas against each other.
You know, just give it to whoever wins the league.
That's that's pretty simple. But we were I was pleased.
I thought the awards were pretty fair this year. But
it's just kind of funny to me. You can't get
something in a conference, but then the national people view differently.
Speaker 5: Yep, I love the way you put that because I
agree with you. Coach whole hardly. We see that too
many times.
Speaker 3: And so you know, a lot of great players, though,
did get some of those honors, and Flaje Johnson obviously
is one of those players. And coach Senior Night just
happened not that long ago, and it's very cool to
kind of see some of the scenes and see the
fans appreciate Flage's career and what she's done and to
stay the course here and to play all four years
and you know, play meaningful minutes. Obviously big big part
of the team ever since she walks onto campus. And
I know you've coached a lot of great players throughout
your time coaching basketball, but I know Flage certainly one
of those players is going to hold a special place
for you.
Speaker 7: Well, Fase was the first McDonald's All American that we
signed at LSU, and she has just been someone that
all over this campus. Everybody knows Flage. I don't even
think they know her last name. Everybody just knows big
Big Pou. How they say big po Right. She will
go down in the history of LSU athletics, not just
women's basketball as a household name. Certainly she will be
known for getting her ring International championship, but there's so
much more to that young lady that people don't even
know about. You know. She just always giving of her wealth,
always doing for people in the community. And we need
more young people now during this NIL era, to share
their wealth with people who need things. And Flage does that, coach.
Speaker 6: I want to ask you one last thing. This is
a little bit off topic, but my wife showed me
something on social media this past week and it's it
made me laugh and think about you. Of course, it
was a there's this internet trend going out around there
and it's it's a video of mom that are youth
sports moms, and it says how I thought I would
be as a youth sports mom. And they're sitting on
the sideline golf clapping and saying go, Team Go, and
then it clips goes to a clip and it says
how I actually am as a youth sports mom. And
it's a video of you and getting very intense and
fist pumping and kicking and yelling on the court and
it's a fantastic And got just think that Kramer has
sent you. I got to hope that he's at least
sent you one or two.
Speaker 5: Of those videos.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, you know I don't have social media,
but I have friends, and I have fifteen players, and
I have seen it and it is priceless. It's hilarious.
There's also a lady in California that puts stuff out
for sending dresses up, like, oh yeah, all this stuff.
So I have seen the fun stuff and you just
take it in stride. But I'll tell you ironically, I
was at the state tournament all day yesterday and hamm
and watching teams play, and I had this conversation with
coach and we were talking about like the coaches my
kids had, and they were like, oh, I bet they
were nervous, and I said, you'll be surprised. I said,
every coach that coach my kid will tell you. I
wish we had more Kim Malke's as parents and that's
because I understand. You don't get involved. You stay at
a distance, you clap your hands, you cheer hard. But
you know, it's just I guess they think I'm I'm
like evaluating their you know, coaching. I just don't do that, guys.
And I've played for some of the sorriest coaches throughout
my career. I played for some of the greatest coaches
in my career. It didn't affect me. It didn't make
me a worse player. You live and you learn. And
we had that conversation last night, and I said, you'll
be surprised. I said, every coach would love to have
a Kim Monkey because I don't get involved. If you
need me, call me. I don't wear the hurts of
the teams my kids played on. You know, I just
show up as a parent, and if it's an intense
moment in the game, you bet I get involved. I
cheer hard. They'll tell you at LSU when Kramer was
playing baseball, man, if he would strike out, I'd say
swing the bat, but not too embarrass them, you know,
just be involved, you know, and enjoy it. Because all
y'all have children, and I'm telling you what wonderful memories.
They don't they go away quickly. They grow up fast,
and uh, it's it's just a time, especially if you
if you grew up in athletics as you two did.
And the other thing I would say is if your
kids are not into athletics, don't push them into athletics.
Find what it is that they love and support it.
And that's just what I believe is if you're going
to do something, man give it everything you have.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Coach, you're the best. We look forward to it
every single weeks.
Speaker 3: They've travels and good luck in South Carolina coming up
this week and we'll catch up again with.
Speaker 5: You next week.
Speaker 7: Okay, take care now.
Speaker 3: All right, you as well, Kim Molke. You gotta have
to join us every single week here on OTB. We'll
take a break more on the other side when we
come back live from the Raising Kine studio.
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