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Speaker 1: You have a major hit on your hands, and my god,

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do I ever have questions for you? And it starts

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with one question, is this show's success and greater success

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going to be because I mean, we usually hear about

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a man going through a midlife crisis. This is about

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a woman.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for saying that. Like the guy runs

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out and gets the motorcycle and the young hot girl

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right right, But this is what it looks like to

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be fifty and say, oh no, shoot, I need to

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dial it back and figure it out and blow it up.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Right, I don't know any other ways this.

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Speaker 2: Character does that can't ease into the change, just has

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to exclude everything.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what makes it so relatable is that we're

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not rushing through this at all. And that to me

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is like, Okay, we're really going to get to know

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Lisa and and the thing is is we're going to

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embrace her and love her even more.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I Elena so related to Lisa, but loved her. Uh.

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She's in, she's out, she's up, she's down, like you know,

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like life. She's this imperfect human who's just trying to

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muddle her way through like an earthquake of a life change.

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Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that I picked up was that,

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you know, she does have a difficult time trying to relax.

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That's when I would love to step in there and say,

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let me show you some books that help me learn

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how to relax and to start accepting life for what

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it is.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh Yeah, No, I don't think that's in her repertoire.

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You know, she's like, you know, zero or ten, like

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there is no in between, not much of a filter

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there either.

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Speaker 1: I love her name. It's so radio like Lisa Giodarno Navarro.

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I just think there's such a rhythm about that. I

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just I love saying it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, saying it and seeing it written even is just

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like right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So is there something? Is there enough room

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here for her to you know, to look at her

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wrongs and then to say, Okay, I'm going to get

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it right this time because I'm going to experiment. And

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I think that's one thing that really draws me to

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Lisa is that she's not afraid to reinvent, but she

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has to step back though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, I hear what you're saying. And

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I do think that she's almost like almost like a

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teenager in some ways like this, like I don't really

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know how to do this because I've been on this

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channel all my life and now I'm blowing everything up

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and I don't really know how to do this the

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right way, Like I don't know it. Later in the

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series when she has that little tet tet with that guy,

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and even that she doesn't even know how to do

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you know what I mean. She's just like fumbling in

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the dark, which I think is what's so endearing about.

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Speaker 3: Her is that she's trying really hard. She's trying new things,

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try to behave differently, and she fails a lot.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to have coffee, I'm not

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going to have alcohol, and then whoop.

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Speaker 3: That didn't work. You know, she's so human, she's so flawed,

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but she's endearing.

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Speaker 1: I can relate with the teenager comment because people will

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always ask me how old are you, and I go

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mentally or physically, and they go, well, mentally seventeen, I

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am seventeen and I'm not going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's her. I think you nailed it. Well.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's one of those things where I

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went to an assisted living place and they were listening

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to Justin Bieber and all of these people, these new

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rap artists and stuff. And I said, with these are

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old people, what's going on here? Oh no, no, no,

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inside their mind, they're not old. They are into the now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And don't you think more and more? I mean

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as I age and I you know, I don't feel

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my age.

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Speaker 3: I you know, my.

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Speaker 2: Heart, I can still you know, do all this stuff

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and then my body says, oh no.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, hang on a minute, you know.

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Speaker 2: And then the next morning you get out of it

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and you're like, wow, I thought I could climb that mountain.

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Speaker 3: I think so many people feel that way, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's who those people are that you

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were just talking about, you know, that's what makes their hardtick.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Elena Wall coming

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up next. The name of the TV show is Middlehood.

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It's found on Prime. Let's get back into that talk

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with Elena Wall. Lisa gives us the opportunity to accept

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frumpiness and stumbles. It's acceptable because Lisa makes her way

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through it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is awkward and is uncomfortable, and as many

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missteps as she takes, you know what you got to

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love about her she's trying yep, you know. Yeah, she

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didn't lay down and die. She is kicking and screaming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I have to agree with you on that

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because so many times, I mean, when I was growing up,

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when you heard that your grandparents were in their fifties,

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you're going, what, that's ancient. Well, now that we're here,

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it's like, no, it's not. They were living life too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know, I completely relate to what you're saying.

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It's like, back when we were teenagers, we thought people

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in their forties were like one foot in.

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Speaker 3: The grade, right, right, that's true. But now we're here

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and we're like, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: We'reas vibrant and have as much to offer and probably

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more with age comes wisdom yep than one might think.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with you on that. One of

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the things that Lisa has to deal with. I call

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this standing on the corner of walk and don't walk.

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It's marriage and divorce and oh my god, at that

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age that is happening. That's a reality check there.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, when you get to be that age and

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you look around you and you ask yourself.

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Speaker 3: What she does? Am I happy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? My getting what I ask for. Is the person

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that is my partner in life showing up for me?

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Or is it like the adults? Is it no spark?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 2: We're just going through the motions and so many people

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don't have the courage to say, you know what, I

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want more? And she does And I think that's what

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as a character makes her exciting to watch and see

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how difficult it it actually is to do that.

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Speaker 1: Have you learned anything from this character?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think I have.

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Speaker 2: I think what I've learned well from going through the

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motions with her, it's just how difficult it is to

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turn a tide to ask those people around you.

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Speaker 3: Her father, her mother, you know you just can't. You

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can't say that mom and dad or to her husband.

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Speaker 2: I need this from you, and if you can't give

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it to me, I mean, ask me what you need

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of me. But I need this, to actually ask for

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what you need in life. Super hard to do, and

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she does it. And I think she gave me a

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little bit of, you know, by playing her, a little

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bit more of an insight to one how difficult it is.

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But you know what, you got to go for it.

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You got one shot. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I do I do. Where can people go to find

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out more about you because you are so actively involved

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with so many things when it comes to acting and performing.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you could go to my IMDb page.

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Speaker 3: But more importantly, I think go see this show. Go

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see Middlehood.

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Speaker 2: You can see it on Plex for free, you can

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see it on Amazon Prime, and we're coming.

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Speaker 3: To YouTube TV soon.

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Speaker 2: So we just would love people to know about us

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and come watch her show.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show anytime in

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the future. The door is always going to be open

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for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure hanging

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out with you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, I will you have a good one, and

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thanks again for having us