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<v Speaker 1>I despise public schools. I don't despise necessarily the teachers

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<v Speaker 1>who teach, they're all not all of the teachers who

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<v Speaker 1>teach there. I don't despise the parents who maybe just

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they have much of a choice other than

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<v Speaker 1>public schools. But I despise California's public school system. I

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<v Speaker 1>despise the whole setup. I despise the goals towards which

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing is oriented. The philosophical idea that American

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<v Speaker 1>public education should be focused on one hundred percent of

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<v Speaker 1>everybody going to college is both idealistic, foolish, foolishly idealistic, unrealistic,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately winds up being harmful. We have some of

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<v Speaker 1>the worst prepared for the job market eighteen year olds

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. We could imitate countries like Germany and

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<v Speaker 1>have real serious emphasis on vocations and training and all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of give kids different kinds of career tracks that

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<v Speaker 1>they can follow throughout high school, apprenticeships, things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead we vaguely prepare everybody to get a major

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<v Speaker 1>in some mickey mouse arts and letters degree from college

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<v Speaker 1>after accruing a bunch of debt that they can't use

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything, you know, a bachelor's degree that is

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<v Speaker 1>useless for anything other than flipping burgers. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>focus of American of California public high schools, and by

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<v Speaker 1>objective measurements, a lot of our largest public high schools

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<v Speaker 1>are wild abject failures, with huge percentages of kids not

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<v Speaker 1>being able to be up to grade level in math

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<v Speaker 1>or reading. And then, of course, the powers that be

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<v Speaker 1>within California public education look at homeschoolers with really concerning

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<v Speaker 1>that these homeschoolers are you know, being educated without you know,

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<v Speaker 1>oversight from educational experts. And meanwhile, the homeschoolers, by like

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<v Speaker 1>every objective measure, are doing far better than kids in

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<v Speaker 1>public schools. Now, given my disdain for California public schools,

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<v Speaker 1>and on top of all of that, California public schools

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<v Speaker 1>are suffused top to bottom with left wing ideology that

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<v Speaker 1>is injected and infected throughout the curricula of our various

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<v Speaker 1>public schools and various grades. Whether that's the god awful

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<v Speaker 1>sex education that I think any Christian should pull their

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<v Speaker 1>kids out of, given how many things it is teaching

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<v Speaker 1>that are totally contrary to our beliefs, to stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>beyond just the sex education that you're getting seventh grade onward,

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<v Speaker 1>the ways in which all kinds of morality contrary to

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<v Speaker 1>what we believe, is infected throughout the curriculum. An even

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<v Speaker 1>bigger picture, things about history and American culture. These all

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of sixteen nineteen project ideas of America being

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<v Speaker 1>built on systemic racism, that the whole American project is

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<v Speaker 1>grounded in racism and fundamentally infected by this original sin,

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<v Speaker 1>that the country is fundamentally racist. All these kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff gets incorporated into what we teach, and various kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of DEEI measures are infected throughout California public education. Diversity, equity,

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<v Speaker 1>and inclusion, which I heard some liberal the other day say.

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<v Speaker 2>Conservatives should be forced to say, what do they disagree with?

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<v Speaker 2>Do they actually dislike diversity? Are they going to admit

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<v Speaker 2>that they hate diversity, that they hate equity, that they

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<v Speaker 2>hate inclusion, to which I would say one, DEI is

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<v Speaker 2>a term of art that refers to a certain set

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<v Speaker 2>of policies, practices, principles that involve giving a giving racially

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<v Speaker 2>preferential treatment to certain groups over others. So that term

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<v Speaker 2>of art DEI, yes, I object to. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>want me to drill down further. I object to equity.

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<v Speaker 2>Equity is the thing I object to. I don't mind

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<v Speaker 2>having diversity. If that's the byproduct of giving equal opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>to everybody, that's great. I want I would love there

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<v Speaker 2>to be diversity. I don't want a system that says no,

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<v Speaker 2>Black people can't participate. That's that's wrong, that's evil, that's immoral.

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<v Speaker 2>I want it open to everybody. I'm an inclusive guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone come in. Equity is what I object to. The

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<v Speaker 2>modern definition of equity means equality of outcomes, not equality

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<v Speaker 2>of inputs or equality of opportunity for everybody, but equality

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<v Speaker 2>of outcomes. If the makeup and this is happening within

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<v Speaker 2>California public schools, they got rid of certain kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>gifted tracks, advanced track math programs because they looked at

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<v Speaker 2>the racial breakdown of who was participating in it and

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<v Speaker 2>saw it was predominantly Asians and white, predominantly Asian kids,

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<v Speaker 2>white kids, not enough Latinos and black kids given their

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<v Speaker 2>relative shares of the California school age population. So the

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<v Speaker 2>DEI based solution is to get rid of the gifted

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<v Speaker 2>kid program, get rid of these higher track math programs,

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<v Speaker 2>because too many Asian kids were doing too well, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Latino and black kids weren't doing as well because

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<v Speaker 2>the outcomes weren't equal to what you would expect if

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<v Speaker 2>it was perfectly proportional to the population. The DEI approach

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<v Speaker 2>assumes that any difference in outcomes that doesn't reflect the

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<v Speaker 2>population's racial breakdown is rooted somehow in racism.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the assumption. So I objected that. So it brings

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<v Speaker 1>me no small delight to learn that the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>is cracking down on DEI efforts in school districts around

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<v Speaker 1>the country and particularly in California. Here is this whining

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<v Speaker 1>article about it, published by ed's source run in GV wire.

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<v Speaker 1>A letter to US schools from Craig Trainer, acting Assistant

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary for Civil Rights at the Federal Department of Education

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>D C.

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<v Speaker 1>Has schools nationwide trying to figure out what to do

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<v Speaker 1>about their diversity programs. Tough decisions lie ahead for schools

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<v Speaker 1>across California as the federal government cracks down on diversity,

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<v Speaker 1>equity and inclusion efforts. The latest measure came in the

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<v Speaker 1>form of a letter issued Friday by the US Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Education giving K through twelve schools across the country

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<v Speaker 1>to options to eliminate programs focused on DEI within two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks or face unspecified cuts in federal funding. I fully

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<v Speaker 1>anticipate that it will have a chilling effect on school districts,

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<v Speaker 1>but also colleges and universities, said Royal Johnson, who leads

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Southern California Race and Equity Center's National

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<v Speaker 1>Assessment of collegiate campus climates. The Department of Education's letter

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<v Speaker 1>isn't law, nor is it legal. Johnson, Oh, it's not legal,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson said, I'm pretty sure it's not illegal. Pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Education can put strings on funding. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a question of what the operative statute says. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh well, actually, by the way, let me point

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<v Speaker 1>this out. I'd bet the Department of Education's letter is

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<v Speaker 1>super legal, given that pretty much all grants of federal

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<v Speaker 1>funding for education come with certain kinds of non discrimination requirements.

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<v Speaker 1>And the non discrimination requirements it's based on language that

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<v Speaker 1>was adopted in American law based on the heritage of

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil Rights Acts, okay, and the Civil Rights Acts. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the big breakthrough of the Civil Rights Acts was basically

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<v Speaker 1>saying that the federal government will not allow discrimination treating

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<v Speaker 1>people differently on the basis of and then it would

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<v Speaker 1>provide a list of categories in certain circumstances, sex, national origin,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The big breakthrough of

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil Rights Acts was applying this in all this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of standard no differential treatment on the basis of

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<v Speaker 1>these various categories, applying that in all kinds of contexts.

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<v Speaker 1>In the operation of private businesses. Okay, your grocery store

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<v Speaker 1>can no longer say that, well, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>serve black people. No, you can't do that. You cannot

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<v Speaker 1>discriminate on the basis of race in operating your grocery store,

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<v Speaker 1>in hiring our law firm does not hire black people

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<v Speaker 1>or does not select African Americans to be partners in

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<v Speaker 1>our law firm. Now, you can't do that. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>say that you're just not You're only going to have

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<v Speaker 1>white partners. Can't do that. And with lots and lots

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of federal funding that goes, especially to educational institutions,

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<v Speaker 1>it all has non discrimination requirements, like you can't I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to give this to a school district that's

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<v Speaker 1>refusing to admit, you know, that that's going to have

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<v Speaker 1>segregated public schools. So I would bet actually that in

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<v Speaker 1>spite of what this article from ed source says, written

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<v Speaker 1>by presumably left wing hacks, I don't know that for

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<v Speaker 1>a fact that the authors are Malika Sheshadri and Lasherica

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<v Speaker 1>Thornton look like to millennial teachers. Actually, I would guess

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<v Speaker 1>that this letter from the Department of Education is fairly

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<v Speaker 1>solidly grounded educationally, because the whole idea, the whole idea

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<v Speaker 1>of DEI, I think, has always been intention with American law,

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<v Speaker 1>with American non discrimination law. The whole idea of DEI

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<v Speaker 1>is to affirmatively discriminate in favor of certain racial groups

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<v Speaker 1>at the expense of other racial groups, and not just

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<v Speaker 1>white people. Often Asian kids. Often Asians are one of

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<v Speaker 1>the loser. Asians a historically a racial minority group that

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't always been treated very well in American society. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's compare. You know, obviously, no one had

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<v Speaker 1>it worse than African slaves in the South. Historically, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it'd be hard to argue someone had it worse

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<v Speaker 1>than people of African descented. But certainly I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you can say that Asian Americans had an easier time

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<v Speaker 1>than Latinos. So DEI says, we have to treat Latinos.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to give affirmative deferential treatment to Latinos and

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<v Speaker 1>affirmative worse treatment to Asians. That's one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>with DEI is that it really does exist in serious

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<v Speaker 1>tension with American non discrimination law, and including with like

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<v Speaker 1>recent Supreme Court cases that you know, destroyed the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of affirmative action within college admissions. That's what affirmative action is.

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<v Speaker 1>Affirmative action is basically the DEI concept as applied to

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<v Speaker 1>college admissions. So I would say probably the Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Education is on really solid ground to tell the State

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<v Speaker 1>of California, hey, you got to stop doing these DEI programs.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to cut off your funding because probably that

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<v Speaker 1>federal funding has some kind of non discrimination thing tied

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<v Speaker 1>into it, and the whole point of DEI is discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>Dei's is this new paradigm that really is divorced from

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<v Speaker 1>the classic Civil Rights Act, civil rights era paradigm of

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<v Speaker 1>how we treat people on the basis of race, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really attempting to be a color blind approach to

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<v Speaker 1>how you operate businesses, how you educate kids, how you

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<v Speaker 1>whatever hiring employment, all that the ideal as presented in

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil Rights Act is genuinely a color blind approach,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's firmly embedded in American law. So this contention

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<v Speaker 1>by this piece, oh the Department of Education's letter, isn't law,

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<v Speaker 1>nor is it legal. Johnson said. However, many advocates, when

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<v Speaker 1>a liberal journalist wants to make an argument for something

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<v Speaker 1>that they just agree with, they say that. Advocates say,

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<v Speaker 1>because it sounds better than you know, lobbyists for such

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<v Speaker 1>and such industry or or act active activists for such

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<v Speaker 1>and such advocates and community members say, what's a community

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a community member. Community members say they are concerned

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<v Speaker 1>that more and more districts will cut their diversity, equity

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<v Speaker 1>and inclusion initiatives out of fear. Yeah, they should, and

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<v Speaker 1>deprive students from marginalized backgrounds of the support they need

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<v Speaker 1>to succeed in the classroom and beyond. We often think

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<v Speaker 1>about California as being protected from this larger right wing movement,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson said, But as we saw with changing patterns and

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<v Speaker 1>demographic votes in the presidential election. I think there are

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<v Speaker 1>many people in California who are wrestling with this conservative

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<v Speaker 1>movement and who are afraid of it, and who are

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<v Speaker 1>proactively and preemptively making decisions. What do you This isn't

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<v Speaker 1>some vague, amorphous like for No, it's a very concrete

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<v Speaker 1>we will cut off your funding if you keep doing

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<v Speaker 1>DEI stuff. This isn't like, This isn't someone bowing and

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<v Speaker 1>scraping to Donald Trump. This is a very rational reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to a genuine funding concern. The Department of Education's letter

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<v Speaker 1>opens with the words dear colleague, but the ensuing message

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<v Speaker 1>takes on a different tone. Well, yeah, that's just how

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<v Speaker 1>these things work. Dear Colleague letters are a classic way

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<v Speaker 1>in which specifically the Department of Education interacts with school

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<v Speaker 1>districts around the country who are recipients of federal funding.

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<v Speaker 1>The dear colleague letter, this is like a standard form thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like, it's not like they're Oh, they pretend

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<v Speaker 1>like they're being so nice and then they're being chillen. No,

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<v Speaker 1>the Obama administration had all kinds of mandates for public

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<v Speaker 1>said John Rogers, a professor at UCLA's School of Education

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<v Speaker 1>Public Scholarship. Instead of acknowledging and affirming educators, the point

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<v Speaker 1>of the Department of Education is not to affirm you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's to give federal money. It's to give federal grant

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<v Speaker 1>These are sources of federal grants. If you want these

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<v Speaker 1>unreality in which California public educators apparently live. That is

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<v Speaker 1>next on the John Girardi Show. Reading through this piece

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<v Speaker 1>federal funding for California public schools if they don't cut

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<v Speaker 1>out their DEI initiatives. And they live in this alternate

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<v Speaker 1>reality where they just don't understand. They're not smart enough

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<v Speaker 1>to understand the legal battles, the legal controversies that are

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<v Speaker 1>at play here. So they're talking about this dear colleague

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<v Speaker 1>letter that came from the Civil Rights Division at the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Education, and it says, hey, stop engaging in

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<v Speaker 1>are basically affirmatively discriminating in favor of certain racial groups

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<v Speaker 1>Asian kids all doing much better in math and science

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<v Speaker 1>there must be some racism inherent in the system, so

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<v Speaker 1>you need to do things affirmatively helping to discriminate in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of the black and Latino kids. That's the whole

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<v Speaker 1>premise of DEI is. It is affirmative. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>It's affirmatively saying we need to discriminate in favor of

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<v Speaker 1>American history than Latinos have or had. Now here's this

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<v Speaker 1>piece from ed source DA DA DA this complaint from

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's terrible. The letter specifically claims the authors incredulously

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<v Speaker 1>right that white and Asian American students, including those from

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<v Speaker 1>lower income backgrounds, have been discriminated against, and that education

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<v Speaker 1>in educational institutions have toxically indoctrinated students with false premises

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<v Speaker 1>that the United States has built upon systemic and structural racism. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. Okay. The California like restructured all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>things within its math programs, specifically because the Asian kids

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<v Speaker 1>It was too big of a percentage of the student

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<v Speaker 1>So they got rid of it. They continue to write,

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<v Speaker 1>increasing school's scores on the national report card has been

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<v Speaker 1>Roger maintains that this directive getting rid of DEI programs

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<v Speaker 1>could quote throw K through twelve schools into further tumult ah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it'll it'll cause confusion due to the high fiscal

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<v Speaker 1>costs of culture wars, Okay, this is hilarious. So if

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<v Speaker 1>because of culture wars. Just last year, conflicts surrounding race

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<v Speaker 1>and LGBTQ plus issues costs schools more than three billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars nationwide. I discussed this story on the show This

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<v Speaker 1>is the Biggest Hunk of BS. This was another piece

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<v Speaker 1>from ed Source, written by a woman named Diana Lambert

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<v Speaker 1>that talked about some study that was done to try

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<v Speaker 1>smut pornography, basically within sex heded programs inappropriate content, parents

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<v Speaker 1>the underlying thought being that parents should just shut up

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<v Speaker 1>because them being upset about what public schools don't do

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<v Speaker 1>public schools had to hire more security for school board

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that, and they use this three billion

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<v Speaker 1>just from one ballot measure, like three billion dollars spread

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<v Speaker 1>across every school district in America is actually not that

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<v Speaker 1>much money, relatively speaking, but any anyway, I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know how they're calculating such a thing, but this idea that, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if we get rid of DEI, it's going to distract

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<v Speaker 1>wars cost so much money. This is the laziest freaking

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<v Speaker 1>thinking I've ever heard in my life. No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>These DEI programs are total waste of time and money,

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<v Speaker 1>frittering away public school money on a bunch of administrators

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<v Speaker 1>It's bogus good for the Trump administration cut off this

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<v Speaker 1>DEI funding. When we return, I'm going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump's order on IVF next on the John Girardi Show.

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump issued an executive order the other day about

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<v Speaker 1>IVF in vitro fertilization, and I kind of need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it as mister Right to Life being director

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<v Speaker 1>of my purview because of some of the ethical issues

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<v Speaker 1>considerations that are involved with the IVF. So let me

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<v Speaker 1>get started by acknowledging I hold a very minority position

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<v Speaker 1>on IVF. I realize that probably a lot of you

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<v Speaker 1>listening to it don't think IVF is a problem. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some of you listening to it have a grandchild who

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<v Speaker 1>of you have gone through IVF, have a child via IVF.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to just preface this by saying, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>of people go into IVF without really understanding some of

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<v Speaker 1>the ethical issues that are involved. So I am not

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<v Speaker 1>here to condemn people, just as I am in the

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<v Speaker 1>abortion debate. I'm not actually here to condemn people who

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<v Speaker 1>have abortions. I think abortion is wrong. I love people,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate sin, I hate things that are wrong. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea of judge not lest you be judge, is that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not judging people's subjective consciences and motivations. I am

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<v Speaker 1>judging actions. And I think IVF has really serious moral

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<v Speaker 1>ethical problems. Namely, one of the most significant moral problems

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<v Speaker 1>with IVF is the fact that as it is practiced

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Most of the time, it involves

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<v Speaker 1>the creation of far more embryos than will ever be implanted.

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<v Speaker 1>There are about ninety seven thousand children born. There are

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<v Speaker 1>about ninety seven thousand children born per year via IVF,

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<v Speaker 1>and the number of embryos who are destroyed or left

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<v Speaker 1>indefinitely frozen is far greater. It's an enormous number. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be in the million. You know, there are million,

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<v Speaker 1>over a million right now in storage, and we could

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<v Speaker 1>it could be like over a million children created and

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed via IVF, destroyed or frozen every single year. And

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<v Speaker 1>often embryos are held frozen until the family decides to

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<v Speaker 1>stop paying for the storage fees, and eventually those children

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<v Speaker 1>just die. Those embryos just die. And before you say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>is that a human being? Guys, it is an early

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<v Speaker 1>stage human being every bit as much as an embryo

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no ethical biological difference. This is a new

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<v Speaker 1>human organism, that's it. President Trump and Vice President Vance

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<v Speaker 1>pro family policies to make it easier for families to

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<v Speaker 1>they lead off with IVF, not with making the process

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<v Speaker 1>of adoption easier, simpler, better promoted. I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>huge problem right now that's not talked about enough that

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<v Speaker 1>gen z and millennial moms don't who are in difficult situations,

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<v Speaker 1>would rather have an abortion than place their child with

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<v Speaker 1>an adoptive family. That basically you have whole adoption agencies

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<v Speaker 1>in the San lu Quin Valley that went out of

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<v Speaker 1>business for lack of babies. Okay, Infant of Prague adoption agency,

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<v Speaker 1>which was founded by a large group of Catholics, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of whom were sort of tied in with us

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<v Speaker 1>at Right to Life, went out of business a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago because they had no babies. So the first

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<v Speaker 1>move that the Trump administration does for helping promote families

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<v Speaker 1>and allowing people to have more children is not through adoption,

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<v Speaker 1>not through managing the costs of childbirth, the newborn care.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean we a Right to Life. We

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<v Speaker 1>helped start, I helped found our Obria Clinic, which I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about a lot on the show. It's our nonprofit

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<v Speaker 1>pro life Obgyn clinic that we founded in Fresno. Why, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was because of this basic problem. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>and there are fewer and fewer doctors who want to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of them because medical loses money. So rather

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<v Speaker 1>than fixing some of those economic incentives and reimbursement rate,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we have a program with more reimbursement rates for

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<v Speaker 1>to be profitable for doctors so that more of them

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<v Speaker 1>can take more medical patients, to allow women to more

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<v Speaker 1>readily have access to doctors. No, we're going to IVF,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's remember that IVF is an industry. This is

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also arguably not even really healthcare. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>I say that? Okay, this isn't necessarily a moral judgment

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<v Speaker 1>on it, but it's a of a technical thing. Healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>means fixing something that is wrong with the human body.

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<v Speaker 1>Something is wrong with the human body, and you do

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<v Speaker 1>or an intervention to help keep and maintain the body

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<v Speaker 1>in a state of health. You have a headache, something's

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with your body. You take tile and all it

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<v Speaker 1>makes your headache go away. That's healthcare. Now with that definition,

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<v Speaker 1>certain things are not really healthcare. Michael Jackson getting a

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<v Speaker 1>nose job because he's convinced his nose looks funny, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a healthcare intervention. There was nothing wrong with Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson's original nose. He wanted it for cosmetic reasons, some

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<v Speaker 1>the sense that it is not fixing something that is

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with a woman's hormonal health, or a or a

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<v Speaker 1>It is sort of bypassing whatever issues are happening, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's for women polycystic ovarian syndrome or endometriosis or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, bypassing those problems and creating a child through

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<v Speaker 1>a different means. It's not actually addressing the underlying fertility

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<v Speaker 1>health issues that the couple is experiencing. And as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it has made sense for it not to

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<v Speaker 1>be mandated to be covered by insurance. Also, the extreme

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<v Speaker 1>cost of it makes sense that it's not generally something

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<v Speaker 1>covered by insurance, and this is part of the money

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<v Speaker 1>side of it has led to this warping and distorting

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<v Speaker 1>of the field of fertility care. There are whole ranges

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<v Speaker 1>of hormonal health approaches for addressing infertility that for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, most infertility doctors are not taking advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>or pursuing because IVF is such a cash cow. I've

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<v Speaker 1>had plenty of stories of people who had infertility in

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<v Speaker 1>their marriages went to infertility docs who would do maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a few things maybe to try to help increase like

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<v Speaker 1>sperm motility or something, and then immediately go to Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so when are you doing IVF. You know, he's talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it on the radio a lot. But my very

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<v Speaker 1>good friend Jonathan Keller, my co host on Right to

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<v Speaker 1>Life Radio, he and his wife had infertility within their

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<v Speaker 1>marriage for ten years and bang their heads against the

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<v Speaker 1>wall of fertility doctors who would immediately jump to IVF,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jonathan and his wife believed ethically that that was

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<v Speaker 1>not something that they could do. And then finally I

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<v Speaker 1>was able to get them in touch with a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>who There's a lot of infertility medicine that has come

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<v Speaker 1>out of certain kinds of Catholic hospitals and medical schools,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly Creighton Universe promoted this thing called Napro technology, which

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of this range of surgical and hormonal hormonal

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<v Speaker 1>treatments for infertility that actually try to address the underlying

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<v Speaker 1>hormonal health problems with a couple's infertility. Jonathan's wife had

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<v Speaker 1>a surgical procedure to help address anometriosis and had a

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<v Speaker 1>surgery called a bilateral wedge resection, basically surgery that's done

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<v Speaker 1>on the ovaries to help sort of kickstart activity, and

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<v Speaker 1>they had two babies within five years of that process,

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<v Speaker 1>two sons who are their absolute joy. And most of

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<v Speaker 1>the infertility industry is not interested in that because of

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<v Speaker 1>the because the cash cow of IVF. So I would

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<v Speaker 1>say just a couple of things. I think any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of insureurance mandate for IVF, which is something that the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump people have floated, would be insane, completely insane. Mandating

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<v Speaker 1>that IVF, which is not really healthcare and which is

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly expensive, be covered under insurances is an insane idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Promoting IVF without more restrictions on it in order to

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<v Speaker 1>lessen or eliminate the number the creation of excess wastage embryos,

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<v Speaker 1>which is actually how the IVF industry is regulated in

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<v Speaker 1>most of Europe and also within the state of Louisiana,

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<v Speaker 1>they have certain specific laws that are better. I think

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<v Speaker 1>would be a massive mistake. I think mandating IVF coverage

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<v Speaker 1>in insurance plans would be a massive fiscal mistake. It

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<v Speaker 1>would lead to massive incre lead, further increases in insurance premiums,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of problems. And I think also just just

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<v Speaker 1>this focus on IVF leads to this continuing diminution of

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<v Speaker 1>real fertility healthcare treatments that again have gotten such short

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<v Speaker 1>shrift because of what a cashcow IVF is. This will

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<v Speaker 1>if if a Trump EO results in just insurance coverage

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<v Speaker 1>for IVF for everybody and whatever sort of subsidization, it's

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<v Speaker 1>only going to make that problem worse. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're all in on this MAHA thing, which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>more and more believing after our f CA. So, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump's totally right about IVF with no sort of skepticism,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, RF case, who's allegedly so skeptical of the

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<v Speaker 1>pharmaceutical industry and the practice of medicine, no skepticism about

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<v Speaker 1>the iv industry apparently, which makes me think that his

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<v Speaker 1>make America Healthy Again agenda is not really some logically

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<v Speaker 1>coherent and consistent series of principles and policies. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of whatever he thinks. Actually promoting real, authentic fertility

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<v Speaker 1>health care and real fertility health care treatments would be

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<v Speaker 1>a much more MAHA thing than going to IVF. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Republican Party becomes the Party of IVF and

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<v Speaker 1>leads to a massive increase in the number of embryos

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<v Speaker 1>being created and destroyed via IVF, it honestly leads me

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<v Speaker 1>to a very displaced place as a pro lifer, because

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<v Speaker 1>why am I so concerned about abortion numbers when other

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<v Speaker 1>children are being legally killed? Maybe more children are being

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<v Speaker 1>legally killed through this other means. It's honestly an incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>politically disorienting thing for me and makes me question, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of a Republican am I if my own

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<v Speaker 1>party is supporting the legal killing of hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of embryos. When we return, journalists covering Pope Francis's illness

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<v Speaker 1>are bad at their jobs. Next on the John Girardi Show,

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<v Speaker 1>those of you outside of the Catholic world may not

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<v Speaker 1>be aware. Maybe inside the Catholic world may not be

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<v Speaker 1>aware that Pope Francis is in very bad health right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got pneumonia, bilateral pneumonia. He's eighty eight years old,

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<v Speaker 1>he had actually had most of one long removed from

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<v Speaker 1>a childhood illness, so he's not in good shape. And

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<v Speaker 1>all the reports coming from the Vatican, they all start

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<v Speaker 1>with this headline, Pope Francis, who has been diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 1>pneumonia and both lungs, passed a peaceful night, the Vatican

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<v Speaker 1>has said, amid growing concerns over the eight eight year

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<v Speaker 1>old's condition, stop saying that he passed the night comfortably.

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<v Speaker 1>Two nights in a row, we've had headlines saying that

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<v Speaker 1>he passed the night comfortably. Stop saying passed Pause through

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<v Speaker 1>all thinking means he passed away. That'll do it. John

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<v Speaker 1>Gerardi Show, See you next time on Power Talk
