Speaker 1: Coming to you from Iconic Studio a here at proven
Speaker 1: winters colored Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified
Speaker 1: YouTube radio and podcast show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick Weist,
Speaker 1: and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, when it
Speaker 1: comes to berry good plants, I'd have to say juneberry
Speaker 1: or service berry has to be a favorite of mine.
Speaker 1: And blueberries you just can't beat that fall color. But
Speaker 1: I love the fruit on dogwoods and viburnums in the fall.
Speaker 1: And you've got chokeberry and winterberry that are touted as
Speaker 1: excellent native berry producers. Stacey, I think this topic today
Speaker 1: is right in your wheelhouse because I know how much
Speaker 1: you love plants and you love birds. Fall is a
Speaker 1: berry good season.
Speaker 2: It is, and you know all of this. It's very
Speaker 2: easy for us to look at a beautiful plant laden
Speaker 2: in berries and think that's great, but really this is
Speaker 2: all about, you know, giving animals the opportunity to stock
Speaker 2: up heavily on food and spread those seeds around so
Speaker 2: the plants, you know, they know what they're doing, as
Speaker 2: it were, and it's all timed. Of course. The june
Speaker 2: berry is wonderful, but it's right there. The name that
Speaker 2: was months ago. So you know the ones now tend
Speaker 2: to be ones that are going to be deposited around
Speaker 2: winter and hopefully a fall goes well, some of those
Speaker 2: seeds will make it to next spring, you bet you.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned because rumor has it the birdman's going
Speaker 1: to swoop in today for segment four, and we'll talk
Speaker 1: about how birds infall and winter truly rely on these
Speaker 1: berries and this fruit. Now, Stacy, some berry producing shrubs
Speaker 1: need a pollinator in order to bear fruit. So let's
Speaker 1: do a little horticultural terminology here a minute. There's dioecious, right,
Speaker 1: and there's monoecious. Now, dioecious shrubs are they bear male
Speaker 1: and female flowers on separate plants. So a really good
Speaker 1: example of that would be a plant that I love
Speaker 1: in fall going into winter, and that is berry poppins.
Speaker 2: But you need a pollen, winterberry holide. So this is
Speaker 2: a winter berry holly, and it is a deciduous holly.
Speaker 2: We've talked about a plenty on the show before. It's
Speaker 2: native to Hear in Michigan and through most of the US.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's a plant that just becomes positively laiden
Speaker 2: with berries, but like other hollies, it is in fact diecious.
Speaker 2: So if you want fruit, and certainly in the case
Speaker 2: of winterberry holly, you want fruit, there's not much else
Speaker 2: to recommend the plant unless you're getting fruit, Whereas if
Speaker 2: you know you have your more traditional evergreen holly, the
Speaker 2: fruit might be slightly less important because you're still getting
Speaker 2: that great, beautiful, glossy evergreen foliage. Then yes, you need
Speaker 2: a The plants are separate by male and female, so
Speaker 2: only the female plants will get fruit. The male plants
Speaker 2: only serve to pollinate it. Both will flower, but the
Speaker 2: male flowers only have pollen, whereas the female plants have
Speaker 2: an ovary that will get pollinated and develop into a berry.
Speaker 2: But you will know if a plant is male or
Speaker 2: female based on its name, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: will ask us, you know, at proven winters and say, hey,
Speaker 2: I want to plant berry poppins winter berry holly, but
Speaker 2: how do I know if I'm getting male or female. Well,
Speaker 2: the answer is, if you are buying a Berry Poppins
Speaker 2: winterberry holly, it is female. If you are buying a
Speaker 2: Mister Poppins winter berry holly, then it is a male.
Speaker 2: And very often I would say, I can't offhand think
Speaker 2: of a case. They're always going to have these kind
Speaker 2: of gendered names. That makes it pretty clear no one's
Speaker 2: trying to trick you into, you know, buying the wrong thing.
Speaker 2: That the female varieties are named something related to female
Speaker 2: or fruit or berries, and the male varieties usually have
Speaker 2: mister or boy or prince or something like that, so
Speaker 2: that you know that they're a male pollinator. And even
Speaker 2: though the males of course don't get the berries and
Speaker 2: aren't as showy, the good news is that you can
Speaker 2: usually use one male to pollinate up to five females,
Speaker 2: so you don't need one male for every female in
Speaker 2: order to get good berries.
Speaker 1: Hello, mister Poppins. And yeah, he's got to be like
Speaker 1: within fifty feet proximity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty feet is sort of the standard number. It's
Speaker 2: not like a hard and fast rule, but that number
Speaker 2: is based on, you know, how far you can expect
Speaker 2: a pollinating insect to fly during foraging trips, because of
Speaker 2: course it has to go to the male get pollen,
Speaker 2: and then go to the female, and the female tricks
Speaker 2: the little pollinating insect into thinking that it has pollen
Speaker 2: with these little fake anthers. But it goes over there
Speaker 2: and it doesn't do anything but leaves some pollen for
Speaker 2: the fruit to germinate.
Speaker 1: So umm, yeah, and then of course the monoecius. So
Speaker 1: these are shrubs that are gonna bury regardless of whether
Speaker 1: or not mister Poppins is around, so to speak. And
Speaker 1: there are some great ones, of course, proud Berry, co Gralberry,
Speaker 1: beauty berry. And I want you to help me out
Speaker 1: with this one. Stacy Pyra, Camellis, pyracommals commalies. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: the reason that I struggle with that one is and
Speaker 1: proven Winters colored choy shrubs has a variety called berry.
Speaker 2: Yes, what a variety? Yeah, amazing news. So you might
Speaker 2: not be familiar with it, but you see this thing,
Speaker 2: you're going to want it.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting for me because again you've got to
Speaker 1: go back to where I came from and in the
Speaker 1: garden center industry, and I remember in the seventies and
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties we were selling pyracantha or firethorn like
Speaker 1: you just would not believe. And this particular plant, as
Speaker 1: I understand it is a hybrid between Pyracantha and Ostemeles osteomies. Okay,
Speaker 1: ostiamiles very very interesting, which is a warm climate evergreen.
Speaker 1: So what a great plant for berries. And you know,
Speaker 1: along that line again years ago in the garden center industry,
Speaker 1: I remember when we would sell all kinds of mountain
Speaker 1: ash tree. Oh yeah, you know, and they're just so
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's just prone to problems like
Speaker 1: citospera canker and fire blight and leaf spot and they
Speaker 1: just fall apart. But I remember back then. To the
Speaker 1: point here is that today some of these plants that
Speaker 1: we have to produce berries in our landscape are really fantastic.
Speaker 2: Right, and the newer varieties are going to be more
Speaker 2: adapted to the realities of what it's like to garden exactly. Now,
Speaker 2: I do want to mention so manicious plants are plants
Speaker 2: that have male and female flowers on the same plant.
Speaker 2: So it could be that there are male and female
Speaker 2: flowers separate on the plant, or it could be that
Speaker 2: every flower contains both male and female parts, which is
Speaker 2: the most common. But there is one exception here, because
Speaker 2: there's always some exception, right, and that is viburnum. So
Speaker 2: viburnum are monecious, which is to say that they have
Speaker 2: all the male and female parts they need contained in
Speaker 2: one plant. But viburnums will only flower if they have
Speaker 2: genetic diversity introduced in pollination, so they are not what
Speaker 2: is called self compatible. You actually need two distinct varieties,
Speaker 2: so you can't just use like two blue muffin because
Speaker 2: those are clones of one another, those will not pollinate
Speaker 2: each other. You need a totally different arrowood viburnum from
Speaker 2: blue muffin in order to get fruit on blue muffin.
Speaker 2: So all the information that you need. Again, this is
Speaker 2: not something that you need to know going into the
Speaker 2: garden center, but it is something that if you're looking
Speaker 2: for a shrup that berries up, you're just going to
Speaker 2: want to read the tag and make sure you understand
Speaker 2: what is required or not, because there are plenty of
Speaker 2: plants that are self fruitful. To make sure you get
Speaker 2: those beautiful berries. Because yeah, it's very disappointing to people
Speaker 2: when they when they thought they were doing the right
Speaker 2: thing and they find out that they weren't.
Speaker 1: This subject just inspires me, it really does. Let me
Speaker 1: give you a lima rick that's inspired by this berries
Speaker 1: a gift beyond measure. They give me so much pleasure,
Speaker 1: So please do not whine. They have me on cloud nine.
Speaker 1: I've found my buried treasure. I enjoy at my chateau
Speaker 1: berries I love to grow. I press them into juice,
Speaker 1: then listen as a recluse to Bury Manilol. I love
Speaker 1: Barry Manilol. I admit it again. I'm a baby boomer.
Speaker 1: I think he's the best.
Speaker 2: My mom went to Vegas to see Berry Manilow.
Speaker 1: Very Manilo concerts. I love Barry Manilo.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a spell different. It's spell different. It's
Speaker 2: not b e r r y. And you know, I
Speaker 2: think that it's confusing for a lot of people. And
Speaker 2: they a lot of people. They hear berry, they think edible. Yes,
Speaker 2: but certainly, especially as we're talking about these ornamental shrubs,
Speaker 2: you probably should not eat them. Most of them are
Speaker 2: not poisonous, although there's plenty of poisonous berries around and fall,
Speaker 2: most notably, of course, the one that everybody asks about.
Speaker 2: It just wouldn't be fall unless we mention it at
Speaker 2: least once. Poke weed. You know, it's just it's not
Speaker 2: fall unless.
Speaker 1: You pressly wait, poke salad.
Speaker 2: Because everybody's always like, what is that? You know, bright
Speaker 2: pink stems, bright, purply blackberries. Do not eat those berries.
Speaker 2: As I often say, when in doubt, don't about gardening.
Speaker 2: When in doubt, don't, also applies to eating plants.
Speaker 1: Walk away and nobody gets hurt. Of course, there's so
Speaker 1: many other great plants. I mean, when you think about
Speaker 1: holly or the Ilex genus, lots and lots of evergreens
Speaker 1: in that genus. Of course, evergreens like juniper's jim fizz
Speaker 1: comes to mind. The ornamental value of rose hips. I
Speaker 1: love rosatives. They're so decorative, they're so beautiful. And then
Speaker 1: of course you have bitter sweet, which is a touchy
Speaker 1: subject because you have the native bitter sweet, and then
Speaker 1: you have the non native, which is incredibly invasive and
Speaker 1: you should not plant.
Speaker 2: And if you have it in your yard, you probably
Speaker 2: have feet and face and not the native one exactly.
Speaker 1: But we'll talk about how the birds spread the love
Speaker 1: around coming up in segment four with the Birdman. Prior
Speaker 1: to that, Stacy's going to introduce us to a plant
Speaker 1: that I'm sure will be berryful. That's coming up next
Speaker 1: here on the Gardening Simplified Show.
Speaker 2: Prooven Winners Colored Choice Shrubs cares about your success in
Speaker 2: the garden That's why we trial and test all of
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Speaker 2: the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greetings,
Speaker 2: gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show,
Speaker 2: where the order of the day is berries, because it's
Speaker 2: the season for fruit to form on plants. Some of
Speaker 2: it's edible, some of it is not. Again, when in doubt,
Speaker 2: do you not eat it. Do not attempt to eat it.
Speaker 2: Do not let your dogs or children eat it, no
Speaker 2: matter how interesting is looks. I mean, I was raised with,
Speaker 2: you know, the fear of God about eating eberries because
Speaker 2: they were right outside our front door. And my mom
Speaker 2: told me from a very young age to never eat those.
Speaker 2: So I kind of was like afraid to even touch
Speaker 2: the plants. You know, it's like a little bit I
Speaker 2: still like it's a prejudice I carry to this day
Speaker 2: actually against you.
Speaker 1: Well, And when you say you or you bear, why
Speaker 1: you right? Why e W not me?
Speaker 2: Why e W?
Speaker 1: TAXI taxes not Texas taxes US?
Speaker 2: And you know the crazy thing about taxis is in
Speaker 2: taxis is not the plant on trial today. I just
Speaker 2: spoiler alert. Death is it's so wild to me that
Speaker 2: it is easily one of the most toxic plants that
Speaker 2: you can grow, and deer devour it. Like, even if
Speaker 2: I wanted to grow taxes in my garden, I could
Speaker 2: not because despite the fact that even the smallest amount
Speaker 2: ingesting even the smallest amount will kill a human, the
Speaker 2: deer just show it down to nubs. Life is strange,
Speaker 2: but anyway, only too sure things death and tax right well,
Speaker 2: Texas fortunately is not a sure thing. Some people love it.
Speaker 2: If you go to the UK, you know you're gonna
Speaker 2: love it, But over here, I'm a little like, eh,
Speaker 2: you know. Anyway, Yeah, so there's a lot of great
Speaker 2: plants for full fruit, but a lot of them suffer
Speaker 2: from a involuntary affliction, and that is that they don't
Speaker 2: look like much in spring when everybody's in the garden center.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And as a result, our fall landscapes suffer because people
Speaker 2: tend to focus on plants in spring that look really
Speaker 2: great at that exact moment in the garden center. And
Speaker 2: you know, even though if you think about like all
Speaker 2: of the wonderful plants that we have with beautiful berries
Speaker 2: like proudberry, coral berry, brandywine, viburnum. You know, we have
Speaker 2: nice tags with colorful pictures of what those berries are
Speaker 2: going to look like. And you know, my personal belief
Speaker 2: is people don't believe it. Yeah, I don't think that
Speaker 2: people actually believe that what we show them is going
Speaker 2: to happen in terms of berry development, is actually going
Speaker 2: to happen for them.
Speaker 1: Very true with coral berry, yes, and that's a plant
Speaker 1: with a great botanical name. Is it simpole A carpas.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is a great name. And so I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people they just kind of pass them by.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, right, it's really going to look like that,
Speaker 2: you know. And I get that because today's plan on
Speaker 2: trial is a calikarpa pearl glam caliicarpa, also known as
Speaker 2: beauty berry. And this is a plant that when I
Speaker 2: first started getting into gardening, you know, I saw pictures
Speaker 2: of it and gardening magazines and books, and I thought, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: you know, you see these berries and the berries on
Speaker 2: beauty berry, whether it's pearl glam or another of the
Speaker 2: many varieties and species that are out there, are a
Speaker 2: true orchid purple like you have to see this color
Speaker 2: to believe it is truly amazing. And so I would
Speaker 2: see these pictures you know, in books, and think, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not really gonna happen. Even though it's hardy, I
Speaker 2: would just say, like, no, it's probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So the first time that I actually saw a calikarpa
Speaker 2: in fruit, my jaw dropped because they it was right
Speaker 2: there as promise, with just hundreds, if not thousands, of
Speaker 2: these small orchid color berries. And it was even more
Speaker 2: beautiful than I could have imagined, you know, not least
Speaker 2: of all because here is this just marvelous purple color
Speaker 2: in fall, and there's red and yellow and orange and
Speaker 2: all these colors changing in the landscape and then just
Speaker 2: these purple berries. And so it pays to take a
Speaker 2: little leap of faith. I can tell you that as
Speaker 2: far as proven winter's color choice shrubs goes, we are
Speaker 2: not lying to you on those tags. We want you
Speaker 2: to be happy. We're not abusing your trust. So when
Speaker 2: you're in the garden center, you know, whether it's about
Speaker 2: fall fruit or anything else, do take a chances. Know
Speaker 2: that whatever it's claiming it's going to do, it will
Speaker 2: do in time. Sometimes it needs a little bit of
Speaker 2: time to get established. But you know, when we were
Speaker 2: talking last week about bulbs, I was talking about how
Speaker 2: bulbs are great, but they have a liability. And you know,
Speaker 2: just like people, you can have a great person, but
Speaker 2: they might have like a little bit of a liability.
Speaker 2: And in this case, the liability of keliicarpa or beauty
Speaker 2: berry is that they don't really look that interesting for
Speaker 2: the rest of the year. They're kind of just like
Speaker 2: a plane and nondescript plant and they're just kind of
Speaker 2: hanging out being green. They don't even like flower until August.
Speaker 2: And that because especially a lot of the older varieties
Speaker 2: can be quite large, up to ten feet tall and wide.
Speaker 2: You know, that's commanding a lot of space, precious real
Speaker 2: estate in your yard for maybe just a few weeks
Speaker 2: of interest. So when it came a time for us
Speaker 2: here at Peru Wuminer's Color Choice Shrubs to find a
Speaker 2: keliicarpa that was going to you know, do more for people,
Speaker 2: you know, our first thought of course was foliage. You know,
Speaker 2: is how do we get a calicarpa that earns its
Speaker 2: keep in your landscape, that is beautiful and interesting enough
Speaker 2: to make it worth keeping around for those couple of
Speaker 2: glorious weeks in the fall. And the answer to that
Speaker 2: again is pearl glam beautyberry. This is a variety that
Speaker 2: came to us from doctor Tom Rainey at North Carolina
Speaker 2: State University. And there's two things that are well, there's
Speaker 2: three things really that are very special about it. Number
Speaker 2: one and most important, it's foliage. Is a beautiful, dramatic
Speaker 2: purple black. Do you grow this plant?
Speaker 1: I do not. I do not have this in my landscape.
Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful dark purple black. And that is
Speaker 2: going to happen is students. It starts to emerge in
Speaker 2: spring all the way through until fall. And so not
Speaker 2: only is that ornamental and beautiful on its own, but
Speaker 2: it is absolutely fabulous when the flowers, which are the
Speaker 2: second unique thing about it, and they are white instead
Speaker 2: of the more traditional pink, when it come out amazing
Speaker 2: contrast because you get that beautiful, like black and white
Speaker 2: tuxedo y kind of look. And that's the same kind
Speaker 2: of thing we have on wine and spirits. Why Gila,
Speaker 2: So August rolls around, You've got this black foliage plant,
Speaker 2: white flowers popping out, and then the fruit develops and
Speaker 2: then that beautiful orchid, purple flower, or a fruit is
Speaker 2: contrasting with that black foliage. Now, the third great thing
Speaker 2: about pearl gram, kelicarpa, or beauty berry compared to other
Speaker 2: varieties is that it's a space saver. So I said,
Speaker 2: some of those older varieties ten feet tall and wide
Speaker 2: take up a ton of space, whereas pearl glam is
Speaker 2: about two to three feet wide and four to five
Speaker 2: feet tall, so it has kind of a columnar habit.
Speaker 2: And I love these narrow plants because they take up
Speaker 2: less ground space, so you get all of that impact,
Speaker 2: but they're only taking up a fraction of the ground
Speaker 2: space as something else. And of course you know, if
Speaker 2: you're taking up less ground space, that means you have
Speaker 2: more space for other plants, and who doesn't want that,
Speaker 2: especially because it's black foliage contrasts so beautifully with so
Speaker 2: many other perennials. It almost has that punctuation mark kind
Speaker 2: of look in the landscape, great a foundation planting perennial
Speaker 2: bed wherever you want to grow it. You will find
Speaker 2: this to be a very very colorful and unique plant.
Speaker 2: And again you're going to look at the pictures that
Speaker 2: we have on YouTube or on our show notes that
Speaker 2: gardening simplified on air and think it's not really going
Speaker 2: to do that, but it will, and it actually does
Speaker 2: not require a pollinator, so it is monoecious. As we
Speaker 2: were discussing at the beginning of the show, it does
Speaker 2: not require a second Calicarpa variety in order for that
Speaker 2: fruit to form. So one thing it does need is
Speaker 2: some maturity. And this isn't uncommon for any kind of
Speaker 2: plant that bears fruit, whether it's an actual edible fruit
Speaker 2: or just an ornamental fruit. In the case of calikarpa,
Speaker 2: they need to have a good root system before they're
Speaker 2: going to be able to put the energy into developing
Speaker 2: and maintaining that fruit. So a little bit of patients,
Speaker 2: but it will absolutely pay off. Now a lot of
Speaker 2: our warm climate listeners are probably going, yeah, beauty berry.
Speaker 2: I know that because we have a North American native
Speaker 2: species of beautyberry Calicarpa americana. And if you have ever
Speaker 2: driven anywhere in the South in September, you can't miss it.
Speaker 2: You've seen this, right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean absolutely. And it brings up the
Speaker 1: point also that with the plant, this is a plant
Speaker 1: that can handle heat. In other words, lots of suns. Yeah, sunshine.
Speaker 2: It is a full sun plant at least six hours
Speaker 2: of sun every day. And yeah, if you're driving around
Speaker 2: the South uh in September, you can't miss it because
Speaker 2: you're just driving along the highway and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden there's just like this blamo rub blamo covered
Speaker 2: in purple berries. And I think that our native species
Speaker 2: and program is not one of our native species. It's
Speaker 2: actually a hybrid of the Asian species, which is why
Speaker 2: it's able to get that dark black purple foliage. But
Speaker 2: the are native one. They're almost like bubbles, so big
Speaker 2: and they're so densely packed on the stem that they
Speaker 2: almost obscure the stem. I mean, they are truly truly
Speaker 2: incredible a site to see. Now, our native variety is
Speaker 2: only hardy down to USDA Zone six. Pearlglam is hardy
Speaker 2: down to USDA Zone five. But in both of these cases,
Speaker 2: the plant may whether you're growing the native variety or pearlglam,
Speaker 2: if you have a severe winter, it may die back
Speaker 2: to the ground, but that is normal. You don't have
Speaker 2: to worry. It will sprout from the roots. And because
Speaker 2: it flowers and fruits on new wood, which is to
Speaker 2: say not until it starts to grow later in the
Speaker 2: season in the sea exactly, you don't have to worry
Speaker 2: about missing out on the fruit even if it dies
Speaker 2: back to the ground. Now, one caveat I do want
Speaker 2: to offer with pearlglam I had it in my garden.
Speaker 2: I don't have any mar because I made some changes.
Speaker 2: But if it does die back to the ground, when
Speaker 2: it starts to finally emerge, it can be quite late
Speaker 2: to emerge, and the foliage is so dark that unless
Speaker 2: you have it against some light colored mulch, it's very
Speaker 2: easy not to see it. And then you're out there,
Speaker 2: you're gardening, You're like, yeah, it's spring, this is great.
Speaker 2: And then crunch, there goes your caliicarpa. So if your
Speaker 2: plant died back to the ground.
Speaker 1: Story of my life. Crunch, there goes my caliicarpa.
Speaker 2: If you do have one, make sure that you've got
Speaker 2: it cordoned off in a way until it starts to
Speaker 2: put on a little bit of height, just to make
Speaker 2: sure that disaster does not strike so hardy d usd's
Speaker 2: on five keep tolerant through USDA Zone eight, no pollinator required,
Speaker 2: and extremely deer resistant. It is actually in the Proven
Speaker 2: Winner's Color Choice deer Proof program. So this is a
Speaker 2: plant that you don't have to worry about deer eating.
Speaker 2: It is a great and unique choice sitsld. If your
Speaker 2: landscape could use a little spicing up right now, take
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Speaker 2: explore Pearl Glam Beauty Beery. We're gonna take a little break.
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Speaker 2: that they've done. And so the first thing that I
Speaker 2: want to share with everybody is we heard from a listener, Kim,
Speaker 2: who is here in the Grand Rapids area, and she
Speaker 2: sent photos of her container combinations outside her business. And
Speaker 2: I wrote her back and I said, Kim, it's not
Speaker 2: often that I opened an email like this and audibly gasp,
Speaker 2: but I did. So this combination you have to see it,
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Speaker 1: Was that castor bean? I saw?
Speaker 2: Yes, it was oh wow. So when you see this,
Speaker 2: you won't believe it. The castor bean plants in these
Speaker 2: containers are well over ten feet tall, and she has
Speaker 2: it combined with vermillion or Kufia, one of our absolute favorites,
Speaker 2: some gorgeous sweet potato vines. I mean, this is a
Speaker 2: combination that will stop you in your tracks. And she
Speaker 2: said that they all started out as very small plants
Speaker 2: earlier this year, and she's just been fertilizing and watering
Speaker 2: like crazy. And the results speak for themselves. So please
Speaker 2: take a moment to look at Kim's gorgeous containers.
Speaker 1: I saw a persian shield, Yes.
Speaker 2: Persian shield. That was the other thing. I knew there
Speaker 2: was something else else. I was forgetting that Strobilanthe's diarrhanus,
Speaker 2: a purple foliage tropical.
Speaker 1: Plant, an incredible plant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just not something that you would expect
Speaker 2: to be growing like this in Michigan, like maybe down
Speaker 2: in Miami or something, but nope, it's right here in Michigan.
Speaker 2: So amazing, Kim. We love to see it.
Speaker 1: Hey, Stacy, we got a lovely comment from a listener, Jennifer.
Speaker 1: Love the show. Look forward to each Saturday episode. Stacy,
Speaker 1: we wanted to extend support to you regarding your no
Speaker 1: lawn project. We are senior sisters that have done the
Speaker 1: same thing to our backyard, Texas Zone eight B. We
Speaker 1: started over a month ago, pulled up grass, laid down mulch.
Speaker 1: We're so thrilled to have your endorsement because you did
Speaker 1: it the same way. We weren't sure at first, but
Speaker 1: we loved the way the cedar mulch has played out,
Speaker 1: kept everything so clean. While we decide on paver replacements
Speaker 1: and small garden areas. We are mindful of zone planting
Speaker 1: five to nine Zone five to nine parts sun, part
Speaker 1: shade and shade as These work best for us because
Speaker 1: we have a lot of trees. We've been getting design
Speaker 1: inspiration from pinterest Mediterranean patio designs. It'll be a good
Speaker 1: project for us. Our front yard will remain a lawn hoa,
Speaker 1: but we are now enjoying our water bill being cut
Speaker 1: in half. I can imagine in Texas we're looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing your design decisions. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what are the chances that we were
Speaker 2: pretty much doing this exact same project at the same
Speaker 2: time and we had the same approach, which is just
Speaker 2: that this idea can bias time to work on it
Speaker 2: in phases. So I was absolutely tickled to see this
Speaker 2: message and know that other people are joining the movement.
Speaker 2: And if you aren't familiar, there are videos on our
Speaker 2: YouTube channel of what I've done to my yard and
Speaker 2: there will be an update out and you can see
Speaker 2: where it was at in August and maybe we'll have
Speaker 2: another one in spring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great and Jennifer, I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: updates of your landscape and what you've done, that's fantastic
Speaker 1: and it's great. Yeah. I think what you're doing, Stacy
Speaker 1: is inspirational. You know I've done the same. I'm lawnless.
Speaker 2: Yes, you are very lawless. You have like a lawn.
Speaker 1: Path, not lawless, lawnless.
Speaker 2: You might be lawless to I.
Speaker 1: Fought the lawn and the lawn one. Yeah. Where are we? Oh?
Speaker 1: Here it is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this long question here, Hi.
Speaker 1: Stacy and Rick. I absolutely loved the show, been watching
Speaker 1: from the beginning. Okay, so there's a backstory here. You
Speaker 1: want to share it with us?
Speaker 2: So this listeners said a lot of photos that will
Speaker 2: have on YouTube or on gardening Simplified on air dot com.
Speaker 2: She had a beautiful old silver maple that they had
Speaker 2: to cut down because of age. They think it was very,
Speaker 2: very old. They were very sad to have to lose it.
Speaker 2: But they left the stump and use it as like
Speaker 2: a perch for a flower pot, which is a very
Speaker 2: nice idea, give it some height and make it a
Speaker 2: little more attractive. But now the stump has, of course
Speaker 2: continued to rot. This was four years ago, so now
Speaker 2: they need it ground down. And what she wants to
Speaker 2: do instead is to plant a temple of bloom hepticodium
Speaker 2: where the silver maple used to be. But she said
Speaker 2: that people are giving her various opinions on whether or
Speaker 2: not it will actually grow in this spot. So they're
Speaker 2: planning to have the stump ground down, pass soil level,
Speaker 2: add top soil loam, and compost back into it even
Speaker 2: and out, even though it's sloped. They're going to regrade
Speaker 2: it and get it back to basically as if the
Speaker 2: tree had not existed near as you can tell above ground.
Speaker 2: She says, we're willing to put in the care if
Speaker 2: but will it work and will it survive? What should
Speaker 2: I do? Or grass? And so she's just wondering what
Speaker 2: you can do. And I wanted to say I had
Speaker 2: a ash tree removed from my property shortly after we
Speaker 2: moved in. Of course, here in Michigan, we were the
Speaker 2: epicenter for the emerald ash bor invasion, which is killed,
Speaker 2: you know, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of ashes nationwide,
Speaker 2: and I unfortunately had the bad luck of having a
Speaker 2: very beautiful mature ash in my yard succumbing to it
Speaker 2: eventually because it took a little while to get out
Speaker 2: here in the West. So when we did have that
Speaker 2: taken out. We did have it professionally ground and I
Speaker 2: have to say there was not a trace of stump
Speaker 2: when this was done.
Speaker 1: Same experience for me. You do want to talk to
Speaker 1: the people who are doing the grinding of the stump
Speaker 1: to make sure they go deep enough take that stump out.
Speaker 1: But I had the same thing. I had a very
Speaker 1: large oak tree next to my house and it was
Speaker 1: too close to the house. It needed to go. I
Speaker 1: replanted as soon as we were done grinding that stump out. Yes,
Speaker 1: I used a hatchet. I did some digging, making sure
Speaker 1: all the roots were gone. You don't want to have
Speaker 1: the wood chips left laying around because they're going to
Speaker 1: extract or not necessarily extract, but burn up valuable nutrients
Speaker 1: for the plant that you put in. But other than that,
Speaker 1: and you will see recommendations on the internet not to
Speaker 1: plant in an area where you've ground down a tree.
Speaker 1: But I've done it successfully a few times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I didn't replace this one with a tree.
Speaker 2: It was just with a variety of different perennials and
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But I found no issue whatsoever
Speaker 2: planting in the area, and especially if they are going
Speaker 2: to the landscapers are going to you know, take this
Speaker 2: away and put soil. I don't think you should have
Speaker 2: any trouble at all planting a hepticodium. And one thing
Speaker 2: I would say is that if you are concerned, you
Speaker 2: you know, maybe start to dig before you head out
Speaker 2: to the garden center, and if worse comes to worse,
Speaker 2: start with a one gallon plant. Any time you have
Speaker 2: an area that's difficult to dig in, if you can
Speaker 2: find a smaller one gallon plant instead of a big
Speaker 2: three gallon plant, that means less digging for you, and
Speaker 2: chances are the plant is going to be able to
Speaker 2: sort it out itself. I mean, this year, four years
Speaker 2: after your tree removal, there's not going to be a
Speaker 2: lot of living roots in there still trying to take
Speaker 2: you know, water and really competing with your new plants.
Speaker 2: So I don't personally think it'll be a problem, especially since,
Speaker 2: as you've said, you are willing to you know, put
Speaker 2: the work in and make sure that it is well
Speaker 2: cared for. You're going to be keeping a close eye
Speaker 2: on it. I don't personally see any reason, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think that silver maples typically have any kind
Speaker 2: of like a lollopathic or you know the effect of
Speaker 2: curtailing growth of other plants, like you know, a black walnut.
Speaker 1: Might I think if anything, some surface roots remaining. You're
Speaker 1: going to see evidence of that with mushrooms sometimes. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, the soil could be exhausted, so fertilizing, adding
Speaker 1: some nutrients minerals back into the soil probably would be key.
Speaker 1: But beyond that, I truly believe that you can replant
Speaker 1: in this area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it is sad as it was
Speaker 2: to lose your silver maple. Silver maples are problem trees.
Speaker 2: I have a huge one in my front yard. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I often say that I have the worse luck for
Speaker 2: mature trees on my property because it was the silver maple,
Speaker 2: a Siberian elm and an ash and it's just like,
Speaker 2: couldn't anyone have picked a decent tree at some point
Speaker 2: in the history of this home. So things have improved.
Speaker 2: But anyway, as sad as that might have been, your sewers,
Speaker 2: no doubt thank you for the loss of the silver maple.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Today for Branching News,
Speaker 1: a show favorite, we have an opportunity to chat with
Speaker 1: the birdman. That's right, the birdman, Bill Stovell, swooping in
Speaker 1: here on the Gardening Simplified Show. Our topic of course
Speaker 1: today has been berries and fall berries and birds love
Speaker 1: berries and treat shrubs as an all you can eat buffet.
Speaker 1: And it's not an uncommon sight, of course, to see
Speaker 1: cardinals or cedar waxwings gulping them down on a wintery day.
Speaker 1: When you think about it, a lot of birds, well
Speaker 1: they love worms and insects, bugs, but boy, they're not
Speaker 1: going to turn down a good berry bill. Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. On the show, And am I correct that
Speaker 1: birds love berries, birds.
Speaker 3: Need berries, and we need the birds to need berries
Speaker 3: because they also plant them for us.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and you.
Speaker 3: Thought about that and put the birds to work for you.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: I listened a dozen birds just thinking off the top
Speaker 3: of my head. I just love berries, and this is
Speaker 3: the time of the year to find them, and you
Speaker 3: should have a lot of them all around your own yard.
Speaker 1: Well, share some of those with us. Bill, What birds
Speaker 1: would you say, really go after the berries?
Speaker 3: Well, robins are a lot of fun. They like mountain
Speaker 3: ash you know that story about too many mountain ash
Speaker 3: berries and they wobble all over the place. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: blue jays and cedar wax twings and bluebirds and revering blackbirds,
Speaker 3: and goldfinches, purple finches, wood thrush, beery song sparrows, chickadees.
Speaker 3: Kid might now I've had a few.
Speaker 2: I've hit cardinals on a non invasive honeysuckle shrub in
Speaker 2: my garden. They seem to really like the fruits of that,
Speaker 2: which are in summer, not fall.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm thinking about berries. They come on
Speaker 3: in all different seasons. You know, we don't pick a
Speaker 3: lot of strawberries right now, but we're sure are picking,
Speaker 3: uh you know, some of the fall berries. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: don't don't miss the crab apples and the flying crabs
Speaker 3: and all all the little understory trees that create dogwoods
Speaker 3: that create berries for our people down.
Speaker 2: So, how is it that a bird is able to
Speaker 2: eat a berry, which of course they're eating not for
Speaker 2: the seed inside, but for the flesh around the seed,
Speaker 2: because that's, of course where all the nutrients are. How
Speaker 2: is it that the berry is able to pass through
Speaker 2: their digestive system without being digested.
Speaker 3: Well, the flesh around the berry is what is taken
Speaker 3: off on the inside of the bird, and then the
Speaker 3: acids in the stomach of the bird often helped to
Speaker 3: break the edge of the outside of the seeds down
Speaker 3: and make them those they can sprout, so they actually
Speaker 3: go through a planting process by eating them, and.
Speaker 2: It comes out with a little fertilizer load conveniently attached
Speaker 2: to the seeds. Gives it a perfect little start there.
Speaker 1: Well. Of course, berries offer a lot of energy to birds.
Speaker 1: They're packed with sugars, fats, and vitamins, but they're kind
Speaker 1: of low in protein. But and that protein that of
Speaker 1: course they're going to get from insects, you know. I
Speaker 1: watch the woodpeckers in my yard. Of course they love
Speaker 1: the insects, but boy, they'll go after the berries too.
Speaker 1: But it does bring up the point that in the
Speaker 1: dead of winter, when those insects aren't around to help
Speaker 1: supplement those berries, it's not a bad idea to have
Speaker 1: a couple bird feeders set out right.
Speaker 3: Well, particularly if you're talking about the protein. I have
Speaker 3: a sewet feeder or two around for everybody to come
Speaker 3: and nibble on, because that's good protein. But there are
Speaker 3: a lot of berries that wind are over. As a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, the high bush cranberry is better and
Speaker 3: late in the winter and early spring because it's pretty harsh.
Speaker 3: It's the first thing in the fall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, we should just clarify for anyone listening
Speaker 2: that the high bush cranberry is actually a viburnum, not
Speaker 2: a cranberry. It's just as called the cranberry bush because
Speaker 2: it has red fruit. But they're actually quite tall ra
Speaker 2: as cranberries are low growing, and there are a lot
Speaker 2: of viburnums from Asia, but there are also a number
Speaker 2: of American Native American viburnums of which the American cranberry
Speaker 2: bush is one. And yeah, beautiful jewell like fruit on
Speaker 2: there that does resemble its namesake.
Speaker 3: I have a gratefully, gratefully been viburnums that are just
Speaker 3: growing wild all around my plate too. So they just
Speaker 3: just what makes you take its course.
Speaker 2: If you can. Yeah, it's a great approach.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Early in fall on these plants, whether it's viburnum, whatever
Speaker 1: type of plant it is, those berries can be really
Speaker 1: fluorescent and beautiful and ornamental. As the fall progresses, we
Speaker 1: start to have some hard frosts. Some of these trees
Speaker 1: are still loaded with berries and fruits, but they start
Speaker 1: to wrinkle. And I often think Bill about the fact
Speaker 1: that some of this fruit is fermenting. Does that cause
Speaker 1: problems for birds? Maybe window collisions, that type of thing.
Speaker 1: Do we have some Do we experience some difficulty with them?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that fermentation changes their minds very much,
Speaker 3: but it may change their ability to walk or fly, yes,
Speaker 3: particularly walk around underneath some of the those But I
Speaker 3: don't think there's anything wrong that you can pass a
Speaker 3: little bit of alcohol through your system and not be
Speaker 3: any of the work.
Speaker 2: For wear usually right, and so it does seem that
Speaker 2: there is, you know, in my experience, a wide range
Speaker 2: of when birds prefer to eat different berries. So some
Speaker 2: you know, they'll be taking right and fall when they're fresh,
Speaker 2: and then yeah, a lot of them, like crab apples
Speaker 2: and the vibernium that you just mentioned, they kind of
Speaker 2: want to soften, you know, to have gone through several
Speaker 2: freeze thought cycles, so that those fruits start to soft
Speaker 2: to soften and get juicy, and they seem to do
Speaker 2: they seem to prefer them that way, or it's just
Speaker 2: that they have exhausted other food sources so then they
Speaker 2: go for those.
Speaker 3: I think they prefer them that way. It may help
Speaker 3: with the digestion. I don't know, it's part of the system,
Speaker 3: but it's consistent. They some wait till later. A lot
Speaker 3: of the apples, and just as you talk about, so
Speaker 3: there's there's fruit available through most of the season you know, spring, summer, fall,
Speaker 3: and winter. But it's it's something that they really depend
Speaker 3: on in the winter to have some some berries around
Speaker 3: and some of the dogwoods have berries a good last
Speaker 3: well into the spring.
Speaker 2: And you know, one of the great things about this
Speaker 2: sort of you know, range of preferences from a horticultural
Speaker 2: standpoint is that as gardeners, that means we get to
Speaker 2: enjoy the berries and the birds eating them. So we'll
Speaker 2: have all that color, you know, all through late fall
Speaker 2: and early winter, and then we get to enjoy the
Speaker 2: birds eating them. So it's kind of a win win situation.
Speaker 3: Certainly is and the color and just the different I mean,
Speaker 3: the red Osier dogwood is the stems are red, but
Speaker 3: the berries are white, and it's just constant activity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet beautiful now, Bill. When we talk about
Speaker 1: this for our home landscapes, of course, the berries are beautiful,
Speaker 1: the birds like to eat the berries, but in essence
Speaker 1: we are also providing a service to the birds in
Speaker 1: that these types of shrubs you mentioned, the dog wood
Speaker 1: or viburnum, they provide some protection also, you know, we
Speaker 1: were talking about gin fizz juniper, junipers or evergreens, whatever
Speaker 1: plants like this that we add to our landscape. Birds
Speaker 1: need some protection in winter also, whether it be hiding
Speaker 1: from predators or from maybe the nasty windy cold weather.
Speaker 3: Correct cover is real important for birds to break the
Speaker 3: wind and hide into and underneath the underneath that cover,
Speaker 3: there's often food places to scratch around when the weather's bad, sure,
Speaker 3: so landscaping is really important. And to take a look
Speaker 3: at what you're going to be planting and how big
Speaker 3: it's going to be, and if you can use some
Speaker 3: of the shorter understory trees, the dogwoods and some of
Speaker 3: the others to plant, it really helps your helps your
Speaker 3: garden and helps the looks through everything.
Speaker 2: How important are thorny plants in this or plants that
Speaker 2: would be you know, more of a deterrent to predators.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking specifically cats, because of course there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people who have, you know, who are facilitating
Speaker 2: feral cats and that kind of thing. I had always
Speaker 2: heard that if you do have some nice thorny shrubs
Speaker 2: around it, those are extra helpful for birds and escaping
Speaker 2: from cats.
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about that. I do know that
Speaker 3: we have some. I mean, I've got hawthorn here and
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful and thorny thing. I've got black locusts
Speaker 3: here and it's got thorns on it. But I didn't
Speaker 3: think about dissuading cats. I'd just assume they'd be indoors.
Speaker 2: Well, ideally they would be, but unfortunately the reality for
Speaker 2: many people does not align. And I'm sure, of course,
Speaker 2: and your wonderful guard and the birds are very safe
Speaker 2: and have no shortage of places to take refuge.
Speaker 1: Would you plant a barberry?
Speaker 2: Heck?
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, I like, I like.
Speaker 3: It was volunteer, but I've got it's probably about eight
Speaker 3: feet long and about four feet high in about four
Speaker 3: feet wide, and it is filled with berries.
Speaker 1: Okay, barbary, barbary, yeah, barbary stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, I can do other things for the birds,
Speaker 2: then plant of barbary.
Speaker 3: Just saying well, red ferries are really good for that
Speaker 3: kind of thing too. That's thorny and it creates a
Speaker 3: good jam sometimes.
Speaker 1: You bet, you bet, Bill. In addition to the berries,
Speaker 1: I know you're a big proponent of making sure that
Speaker 1: we provide some sort of water source for the birds,
Speaker 1: especially as we head into fall and winter, particularly here
Speaker 1: in the North and in the Midwest, something that you
Speaker 1: need to think about, right.
Speaker 3: Bird bets are critical. Birds can find food, they can
Speaker 3: fly around and find that, but one thing's freeze over.
Speaker 3: They're in trouble if they need to take a drink,
Speaker 3: and they need to be clean during the winter as well.
Speaker 3: But to have a bird bat year round is a
Speaker 3: really good idea. Providing you stump it out on a
Speaker 3: regular basis so that you don't breed mosquito.
Speaker 1: That's true, Birdman. When we interview people on the show
Speaker 1: about plants, we usually ask them the question, do you
Speaker 1: have a favorite plant that you want to share with
Speaker 1: our listeners? I want to ask you do you have
Speaker 1: a favorite bird? If you were forced to say this
Speaker 1: is my favorite bird, what bird would it be?
Speaker 3: Oh? Rick, I know I can't. I can't choose a
Speaker 3: grandchild or a great grand value like I think loons
Speaker 3: or affiliated woodpeckers, or I like a flash of a
Speaker 3: cardinal Baltimore ools of northern oil. I'm sorry that old school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: I got a lot of little lbj's around, little brown jobs,
Speaker 3: little black jobs that are just the activity LBJ. It's LBJ. Yeah,
Speaker 3: little little brown job used to be president. If you
Speaker 3: have difficulty and identification, just look at the color code
Speaker 3: and then just state what that's really professional it is LBJ.
Speaker 2: Well, you know it's it's across disciplines, because I know
Speaker 2: an entomology, they have lbm's little brown moths and and yep,
Speaker 2: and and Adriana says they have little brown mushrooms. So
Speaker 2: she is very interested in mushroom foraging. So she says,
Speaker 2: they have LBMs little brown mushrooms. And of course in
Speaker 2: horticulture we have the d y c s, the darn
Speaker 2: yellow composites, which is there's so many yellow daisy like flowers.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of yeah, it's one of those, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a good catch all. Might seem unprofessional,
Speaker 2: but it is widespread use across academia and lay people alike.
Speaker 3: Well, it's gives you a taste of professionalism to be
Speaker 3: able to use some interesting terms.
Speaker 1: Exactly, I suppose I'm going to just start throwing acronyms
Speaker 1: at things, and yes, I'll sound professional and like I
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: That thank you just say usually thank.
Speaker 1: You before we let you go. Bird Man got to
Speaker 1: ask you real quickly. For the people who love the
Speaker 1: hummingbirds out there, I've enjoyed them all summer. Long as
Speaker 1: we get into fall they start heading out. When should
Speaker 1: you take down? I mean a question people often ask,
Speaker 1: when do you take down that hummingbird feeder?
Speaker 3: I would say, when you stop seeing them and let
Speaker 3: us go a couple of weeks. It's not negative to
Speaker 3: leave it out. Make sure it stays fresh, don't let
Speaker 3: it get stale. But it's not going to keep them here.
Speaker 3: The light is what makes them move, not the food.
Speaker 3: So they're not going to stay because they're having bird
Speaker 3: feeders full right, Yeah, it's time to time to do that.
Speaker 3: It's time to keep watching. And then when when you
Speaker 3: don't see your humming birds around anymore than you take
Speaker 3: it down for the season.
Speaker 1: Well, Birdman, I w f it was funs.
Speaker 3: Knowing the letters.
Speaker 1: Always fun to talk to you folks. That's it's the Birdman,
Speaker 1: Bill Stovell. We always love talking to you, and I
Speaker 1: know our listeners viewers love it too. Thanks so much, Birdman,
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Bill, Well, thanks for thanks for seeing you guys. Talk
Speaker 3: with you later.
Speaker 2: Well, there is never a dull moment when the Birdman visits,
Speaker 2: so we are always grateful to hear from him, and
Speaker 2: we hope you are too. So I want to thank Birdman.
Speaker 2: I want to thank you Rick, and of course thank
Speaker 2: you Adriana, and most of all, thank you all to
Speaker 2: you for listening watching the Gardening Simplified Show. We hope
Speaker 2: you have a wonderful week ahead.