1 00:00:02,799 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Coming to you from Iconic Studio a here at proven 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,240 winters colored Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified 3 00:00:10,359 --> 00:00:15,720 YouTube radio and podcast show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick Weist, 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,760 and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, when it 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,760 comes to berry good plants, I'd have to say juneberry 6 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:26,399 or service berry has to be a favorite of mine. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,960 And blueberries you just can't beat that fall color. But 8 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:34,759 I love the fruit on dogwoods and viburnums in the fall. 9 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:38,399 And you've got chokeberry and winterberry that are touted as 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,920 excellent native berry producers. Stacey, I think this topic today 11 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:46,640 is right in your wheelhouse because I know how much 12 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:51,079 you love plants and you love birds. Fall is a 13 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:52,520 berry good season. 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: It is, and you know all of this. It's very 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,479 easy for us to look at a beautiful plant laden 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,039 in berries and think that's great, but really this is 17 00:01:01,079 --> 00:01:06,319 all about, you know, giving animals the opportunity to stock 18 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:10,840 up heavily on food and spread those seeds around so 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,159 the plants, you know, they know what they're doing, as 20 00:01:13,159 --> 00:01:16,719 it were, and it's all timed. Of course. The june 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,680 berry is wonderful, but it's right there. The name that 22 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:22,319 was months ago. So you know the ones now tend 23 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:25,680 to be ones that are going to be deposited around 24 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:29,000 winter and hopefully a fall goes well, some of those 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,560 seeds will make it to next spring, you bet you. 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,079 Speaker 1: And stay tuned because rumor has it the birdman's going 27 00:01:35,159 --> 00:01:38,519 to swoop in today for segment four, and we'll talk 28 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:43,760 about how birds infall and winter truly rely on these 29 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:48,640 berries and this fruit. Now, Stacy, some berry producing shrubs 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,000 need a pollinator in order to bear fruit. So let's 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:58,920 do a little horticultural terminology here a minute. There's dioecious, right, 32 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:04,560 and there's monoecious. Now, dioecious shrubs are they bear male 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,520 and female flowers on separate plants. So a really good 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,319 example of that would be a plant that I love 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,080 in fall going into winter, and that is berry poppins. 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: But you need a pollen, winterberry holide. So this is 37 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,960 a winter berry holly, and it is a deciduous holly. 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,639 We've talked about a plenty on the show before. It's 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,879 native to Hear in Michigan and through most of the US. 40 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,199 And yeah, it's a plant that just becomes positively laiden 41 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:34,560 with berries, but like other hollies, it is in fact diecious. 42 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:38,039 So if you want fruit, and certainly in the case 43 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,879 of winterberry holly, you want fruit, there's not much else 44 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,400 to recommend the plant unless you're getting fruit, Whereas if 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,639 you know you have your more traditional evergreen holly, the 46 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,759 fruit might be slightly less important because you're still getting 47 00:02:47,759 --> 00:02:51,000 that great, beautiful, glossy evergreen foliage. Then yes, you need 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,240 a The plants are separate by male and female, so 49 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,000 only the female plants will get fruit. The male plants 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,080 only serve to pollinate it. Both will flower, but the 51 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:05,599 male flowers only have pollen, whereas the female plants have 52 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:11,120 an ovary that will get pollinated and develop into a berry. 53 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:14,520 But you will know if a plant is male or 54 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,159 female based on its name, and a lot of people 55 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:19,840 will ask us, you know, at proven winters and say, hey, 56 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:23,199 I want to plant berry poppins winter berry holly, but 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,280 how do I know if I'm getting male or female. Well, 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,599 the answer is, if you are buying a Berry Poppins 59 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,719 winterberry holly, it is female. If you are buying a 60 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:34,759 Mister Poppins winter berry holly, then it is a male. 61 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:37,439 And very often I would say, I can't offhand think 62 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:39,919 of a case. They're always going to have these kind 63 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:42,599 of gendered names. That makes it pretty clear no one's 64 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:46,479 trying to trick you into, you know, buying the wrong thing. 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,719 That the female varieties are named something related to female 66 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,439 or fruit or berries, and the male varieties usually have 67 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,680 mister or boy or prince or something like that, so 68 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,240 that you know that they're a male pollinator. And even 69 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,319 though the males of course don't get the berries and 70 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,960 aren't as showy, the good news is that you can 71 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,879 usually use one male to pollinate up to five females, 72 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,599 so you don't need one male for every female in 73 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,680 order to get good berries. 74 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: Hello, mister Poppins. And yeah, he's got to be like 75 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,360 within fifty feet proximity. 76 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:21,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty feet is sort of the standard number. It's 77 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:24,079 not like a hard and fast rule, but that number 78 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,600 is based on, you know, how far you can expect 79 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,879 a pollinating insect to fly during foraging trips, because of 80 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:33,160 course it has to go to the male get pollen, 81 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,800 and then go to the female, and the female tricks 82 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,600 the little pollinating insect into thinking that it has pollen 83 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,160 with these little fake anthers. But it goes over there 84 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:43,199 and it doesn't do anything but leaves some pollen for 85 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,439 the fruit to germinate. 86 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: So umm, yeah, and then of course the monoecius. So 87 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:53,079 these are shrubs that are gonna bury regardless of whether 88 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:56,759 or not mister Poppins is around, so to speak. And 89 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,560 there are some great ones, of course, proud Berry, co Gralberry, 90 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,199 beauty berry. And I want you to help me out 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:10,439 with this one. Stacy Pyra, Camellis, pyracommals commalies. Okay. Now, 92 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:13,800 the reason that I struggle with that one is and 93 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,839 proven Winters colored choy shrubs has a variety called berry. 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: Yes, what a variety? Yeah, amazing news. So you might 95 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,000 not be familiar with it, but you see this thing, 96 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:23,680 you're going to want it. 97 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: And it's interesting for me because again you've got to 98 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:30,360 go back to where I came from and in the 99 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:34,040 garden center industry, and I remember in the seventies and 100 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,439 eighties and nineties we were selling pyracantha or firethorn like 101 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,560 you just would not believe. And this particular plant, as 102 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:52,399 I understand it is a hybrid between Pyracantha and Ostemeles osteomies. Okay, 103 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:57,959 ostiamiles very very interesting, which is a warm climate evergreen. 104 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:00,720 So what a great plant for berries. And you know, 105 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,399 along that line again years ago in the garden center industry, 106 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:07,800 I remember when we would sell all kinds of mountain 107 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,959 ash tree. Oh yeah, you know, and they're just so 108 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,759 I don't know, it's it's just prone to problems like 109 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,680 citospera canker and fire blight and leaf spot and they 110 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:23,160 just fall apart. But I remember back then. To the 111 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,480 point here is that today some of these plants that 112 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:31,480 we have to produce berries in our landscape are really fantastic. 113 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: Right, and the newer varieties are going to be more 114 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,519 adapted to the realities of what it's like to garden exactly. Now, 115 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,120 I do want to mention so manicious plants are plants 116 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,079 that have male and female flowers on the same plant. 117 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,279 So it could be that there are male and female 118 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,199 flowers separate on the plant, or it could be that 119 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,319 every flower contains both male and female parts, which is 120 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,240 the most common. But there is one exception here, because 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,839 there's always some exception, right, and that is viburnum. So 122 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,120 viburnum are monecious, which is to say that they have 123 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:04,360 all the male and female parts they need contained in 124 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,079 one plant. But viburnums will only flower if they have 125 00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:12,120 genetic diversity introduced in pollination, so they are not what 126 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:17,399 is called self compatible. You actually need two distinct varieties, 127 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:19,720 so you can't just use like two blue muffin because 128 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:22,519 those are clones of one another, those will not pollinate 129 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,720 each other. You need a totally different arrowood viburnum from 130 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,879 blue muffin in order to get fruit on blue muffin. 131 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:31,639 So all the information that you need. Again, this is 132 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:33,519 not something that you need to know going into the 133 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,160 garden center, but it is something that if you're looking 134 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,839 for a shrup that berries up, you're just going to 135 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,279 want to read the tag and make sure you understand 136 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:44,040 what is required or not, because there are plenty of 137 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:46,800 plants that are self fruitful. To make sure you get 138 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:49,160 those beautiful berries. Because yeah, it's very disappointing to people 139 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,199 when they when they thought they were doing the right 140 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,759 thing and they find out that they weren't. 141 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,759 Speaker 1: This subject just inspires me, it really does. Let me 142 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,480 give you a lima rick that's inspired by this berries 143 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:03,480 a gift beyond measure. They give me so much pleasure, 144 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,680 So please do not whine. They have me on cloud nine. 145 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,040 I've found my buried treasure. I enjoy at my chateau 146 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:16,000 berries I love to grow. I press them into juice, 147 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:22,120 then listen as a recluse to Bury Manilol. I love 148 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:26,360 Barry Manilol. I admit it again. I'm a baby boomer. 149 00:08:26,439 --> 00:08:27,600 I think he's the best. 150 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,199 Speaker 2: My mom went to Vegas to see Berry Manilow. 151 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:35,159 Speaker 1: Very Manilo concerts. I love Barry Manilo. 152 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:38,519 Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a spell different. It's spell different. It's 153 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:40,799 not b e r r y. And you know, I 154 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,240 think that it's confusing for a lot of people. And 155 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,159 they a lot of people. They hear berry, they think edible. Yes, 156 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:49,879 but certainly, especially as we're talking about these ornamental shrubs, 157 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:54,200 you probably should not eat them. Most of them are 158 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,240 not poisonous, although there's plenty of poisonous berries around and fall, 159 00:08:57,279 --> 00:08:59,960 most notably, of course, the one that everybody asks about. 160 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:01,799 It just wouldn't be fall unless we mention it at 161 00:09:01,879 --> 00:09:04,960 least once. Poke weed. You know, it's just it's not 162 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:05,960 fall unless. 163 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: You pressly wait, poke salad. 164 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: Because everybody's always like, what is that? You know, bright 165 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:16,840 pink stems, bright, purply blackberries. Do not eat those berries. 166 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:20,080 As I often say, when in doubt, don't about gardening. 167 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,559 When in doubt, don't, also applies to eating plants. 168 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:26,279 Speaker 1: Walk away and nobody gets hurt. Of course, there's so 169 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,480 many other great plants. I mean, when you think about 170 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:33,960 holly or the Ilex genus, lots and lots of evergreens 171 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,120 in that genus. Of course, evergreens like juniper's jim fizz 172 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,399 comes to mind. The ornamental value of rose hips. I 173 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,279 love rosatives. They're so decorative, they're so beautiful. And then 174 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:49,960 of course you have bitter sweet, which is a touchy 175 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,799 subject because you have the native bitter sweet, and then 176 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,039 you have the non native, which is incredibly invasive and 177 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,559 you should not plant. 178 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: And if you have it in your yard, you probably 179 00:09:59,639 --> 00:10:03,600 have feet and face and not the native one exactly. 180 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: But we'll talk about how the birds spread the love 181 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:09,799 around coming up in segment four with the Birdman. Prior 182 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,600 to that, Stacy's going to introduce us to a plant 183 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,279 that I'm sure will be berryful. That's coming up next 184 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,279 here on the Gardening Simplified Show. 185 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:27,399 Speaker 2: Prooven Winners Colored Choice Shrubs cares about your success in 186 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,919 the garden That's why we trial and test all of 187 00:10:29,919 --> 00:10:32,519 our shrubs for eight to ten years, making sure they 188 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,240 outperform everything else on the market. Look for them in 189 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,639 the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greetings, 190 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:43,840 gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, 191 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:47,399 where the order of the day is berries, because it's 192 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,360 the season for fruit to form on plants. Some of 193 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,679 it's edible, some of it is not. Again, when in doubt, 194 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:55,320 do you not eat it. Do not attempt to eat it. 195 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,879 Do not let your dogs or children eat it, no 196 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,840 matter how interesting is looks. I mean, I was raised with, 197 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:04,960 you know, the fear of God about eating eberries because 198 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,919 they were right outside our front door. And my mom 199 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:08,840 told me from a very young age to never eat those. 200 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:11,000 So I kind of was like afraid to even touch 201 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,919 the plants. You know, it's like a little bit I 202 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,399 still like it's a prejudice I carry to this day 203 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:16,519 actually against you. 204 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: Well, And when you say you or you bear, why 205 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,279 you right? Why e W not me? 206 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: Why e W? 207 00:11:25,399 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: TAXI taxes not Texas taxes US? 208 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: And you know the crazy thing about taxis is in 209 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,720 taxis is not the plant on trial today. I just 210 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,799 spoiler alert. Death is it's so wild to me that 211 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,120 it is easily one of the most toxic plants that 212 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:44,759 you can grow, and deer devour it. Like, even if 213 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:47,120 I wanted to grow taxes in my garden, I could 214 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,279 not because despite the fact that even the smallest amount 215 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,919 ingesting even the smallest amount will kill a human, the 216 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,759 deer just show it down to nubs. Life is strange, 217 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,600 but anyway, only too sure things death and tax right well, 218 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:04,720 Texas fortunately is not a sure thing. Some people love it. 219 00:12:04,759 --> 00:12:06,960 If you go to the UK, you know you're gonna 220 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,440 love it, But over here, I'm a little like, eh, 221 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:14,639 you know. Anyway, Yeah, so there's a lot of great 222 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,879 plants for full fruit, but a lot of them suffer 223 00:12:19,399 --> 00:12:25,679 from a involuntary affliction, and that is that they don't 224 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:29,919 look like much in spring when everybody's in the garden center. 225 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: Yep. 226 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: And as a result, our fall landscapes suffer because people 227 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,000 tend to focus on plants in spring that look really 228 00:12:38,039 --> 00:12:42,759 great at that exact moment in the garden center. And 229 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,960 you know, even though if you think about like all 230 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:47,799 of the wonderful plants that we have with beautiful berries 231 00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:53,200 like proudberry, coral berry, brandywine, viburnum. You know, we have 232 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,440 nice tags with colorful pictures of what those berries are 233 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,840 going to look like. And you know, my personal belief 234 00:12:59,879 --> 00:13:02,200 is people don't believe it. Yeah, I don't think that 235 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,240 people actually believe that what we show them is going 236 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,480 to happen in terms of berry development, is actually going 237 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:10,320 to happen for them. 238 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: Very true with coral berry, yes, and that's a plant 239 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,879 with a great botanical name. Is it simpole A carpas. 240 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,039 Speaker 2: Yes, it is a great name. And so I think 241 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,200 a lot of people they just kind of pass them by. 242 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,399 Oh yeah, sure, right, it's really going to look like that, 243 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,159 you know. And I get that because today's plan on 244 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,720 trial is a calikarpa pearl glam caliicarpa, also known as 245 00:13:34,799 --> 00:13:37,679 beauty berry. And this is a plant that when I 246 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,279 first started getting into gardening, you know, I saw pictures 247 00:13:40,279 --> 00:13:44,840 of it and gardening magazines and books, and I thought, yeah, right, 248 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,639 you know, you see these berries and the berries on 249 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,240 beauty berry, whether it's pearl glam or another of the 250 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:54,960 many varieties and species that are out there, are a 251 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,519 true orchid purple like you have to see this color 252 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,279 to believe it is truly amazing. And so I would 253 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:07,120 see these pictures you know, in books, and think, yeah, 254 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,120 that's not really gonna happen. Even though it's hardy, I 255 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,039 would just say, like, no, it's probably not gonna happen. 256 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,519 So the first time that I actually saw a calikarpa 257 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:19,080 in fruit, my jaw dropped because they it was right 258 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,720 there as promise, with just hundreds, if not thousands, of 259 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:27,559 these small orchid color berries. And it was even more 260 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:30,879 beautiful than I could have imagined, you know, not least 261 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:35,000 of all because here is this just marvelous purple color 262 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,960 in fall, and there's red and yellow and orange and 263 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:40,240 all these colors changing in the landscape and then just 264 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,080 these purple berries. And so it pays to take a 265 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,200 little leap of faith. I can tell you that as 266 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,720 far as proven winter's color choice shrubs goes, we are 267 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,960 not lying to you on those tags. We want you 268 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,480 to be happy. We're not abusing your trust. So when 269 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:57,720 you're in the garden center, you know, whether it's about 270 00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:01,240 fall fruit or anything else, do take a chances. Know 271 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,480 that whatever it's claiming it's going to do, it will 272 00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:06,360 do in time. Sometimes it needs a little bit of 273 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:10,960 time to get established. But you know, when we were 274 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,720 talking last week about bulbs, I was talking about how 275 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,200 bulbs are great, but they have a liability. And you know, 276 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:18,879 just like people, you can have a great person, but 277 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,799 they might have like a little bit of a liability. 278 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,360 And in this case, the liability of keliicarpa or beauty 279 00:15:25,399 --> 00:15:28,720 berry is that they don't really look that interesting for 280 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:31,600 the rest of the year. They're kind of just like 281 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:35,279 a plane and nondescript plant and they're just kind of 282 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,320 hanging out being green. They don't even like flower until August. 283 00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:43,679 And that because especially a lot of the older varieties 284 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,200 can be quite large, up to ten feet tall and wide. 285 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:49,879 You know, that's commanding a lot of space, precious real 286 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,720 estate in your yard for maybe just a few weeks 287 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,639 of interest. So when it came a time for us 288 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:58,320 here at Peru Wuminer's Color Choice Shrubs to find a 289 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:01,919 keliicarpa that was going to you know, do more for people, 290 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,480 you know, our first thought of course was foliage. You know, 291 00:16:05,679 --> 00:16:08,559 is how do we get a calicarpa that earns its 292 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:12,159 keep in your landscape, that is beautiful and interesting enough 293 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:15,080 to make it worth keeping around for those couple of 294 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:17,720 glorious weeks in the fall. And the answer to that 295 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,320 again is pearl glam beautyberry. This is a variety that 296 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,679 came to us from doctor Tom Rainey at North Carolina 297 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,759 State University. And there's two things that are well, there's 298 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,960 three things really that are very special about it. Number 299 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,519 one and most important, it's foliage. Is a beautiful, dramatic 300 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,600 purple black. Do you grow this plant? 301 00:16:36,679 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: I do not. I do not have this in my landscape. 302 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,639 Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful dark purple black. And that is 303 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:44,200 going to happen is students. It starts to emerge in 304 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:48,960 spring all the way through until fall. And so not 305 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,799 only is that ornamental and beautiful on its own, but 306 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,240 it is absolutely fabulous when the flowers, which are the 307 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:58,159 second unique thing about it, and they are white instead 308 00:16:58,159 --> 00:17:01,200 of the more traditional pink, when it come out amazing 309 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,440 contrast because you get that beautiful, like black and white 310 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,799 tuxedo y kind of look. And that's the same kind 311 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:09,720 of thing we have on wine and spirits. Why Gila, 312 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,880 So August rolls around, You've got this black foliage plant, 313 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,920 white flowers popping out, and then the fruit develops and 314 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,200 then that beautiful orchid, purple flower, or a fruit is 315 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:23,599 contrasting with that black foliage. Now, the third great thing 316 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,640 about pearl gram, kelicarpa, or beauty berry compared to other 317 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,279 varieties is that it's a space saver. So I said, 318 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,079 some of those older varieties ten feet tall and wide 319 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:36,160 take up a ton of space, whereas pearl glam is 320 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,160 about two to three feet wide and four to five 321 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,240 feet tall, so it has kind of a columnar habit. 322 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,599 And I love these narrow plants because they take up 323 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,039 less ground space, so you get all of that impact, 324 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,839 but they're only taking up a fraction of the ground 325 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:54,559 space as something else. And of course you know, if 326 00:17:54,599 --> 00:17:56,440 you're taking up less ground space, that means you have 327 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,400 more space for other plants, and who doesn't want that, 328 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,519 especially because it's black foliage contrasts so beautifully with so 329 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,559 many other perennials. It almost has that punctuation mark kind 330 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:14,200 of look in the landscape, great a foundation planting perennial 331 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,559 bed wherever you want to grow it. You will find 332 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:20,559 this to be a very very colorful and unique plant. 333 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:23,000 And again you're going to look at the pictures that 334 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:25,039 we have on YouTube or on our show notes that 335 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:27,200 gardening simplified on air and think it's not really going 336 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,359 to do that, but it will, and it actually does 337 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,920 not require a pollinator, so it is monoecious. As we 338 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,519 were discussing at the beginning of the show, it does 339 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:38,720 not require a second Calicarpa variety in order for that 340 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:42,000 fruit to form. So one thing it does need is 341 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:46,000 some maturity. And this isn't uncommon for any kind of 342 00:18:46,079 --> 00:18:48,799 plant that bears fruit, whether it's an actual edible fruit 343 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,480 or just an ornamental fruit. In the case of calikarpa, 344 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,200 they need to have a good root system before they're 345 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,640 going to be able to put the energy into developing 346 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:00,640 and maintaining that fruit. So a little bit of patients, 347 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,359 but it will absolutely pay off. Now a lot of 348 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,799 our warm climate listeners are probably going, yeah, beauty berry. 349 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,000 I know that because we have a North American native 350 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:15,799 species of beautyberry Calicarpa americana. And if you have ever 351 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,240 driven anywhere in the South in September, you can't miss it. 352 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:21,640 You've seen this, right. 353 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:23,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean absolutely. And it brings up the 354 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,160 point also that with the plant, this is a plant 355 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,079 that can handle heat. In other words, lots of suns. Yeah, sunshine. 356 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: It is a full sun plant at least six hours 357 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,000 of sun every day. And yeah, if you're driving around 358 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,960 the South uh in September, you can't miss it because 359 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,599 you're just driving along the highway and then all of 360 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,400 a sudden there's just like this blamo rub blamo covered 361 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,319 in purple berries. And I think that our native species 362 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,920 and program is not one of our native species. It's 363 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,759 actually a hybrid of the Asian species, which is why 364 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:56,799 it's able to get that dark black purple foliage. But 365 00:19:56,839 --> 00:20:00,680 the are native one. They're almost like bubbles, so big 366 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,079 and they're so densely packed on the stem that they 367 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,680 almost obscure the stem. I mean, they are truly truly 368 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:11,160 incredible a site to see. Now, our native variety is 369 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,559 only hardy down to USDA Zone six. Pearlglam is hardy 370 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:18,640 down to USDA Zone five. But in both of these cases, 371 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,480 the plant may whether you're growing the native variety or pearlglam, 372 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,799 if you have a severe winter, it may die back 373 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:29,279 to the ground, but that is normal. You don't have 374 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,720 to worry. It will sprout from the roots. And because 375 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:34,079 it flowers and fruits on new wood, which is to 376 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:37,119 say not until it starts to grow later in the 377 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,400 season in the sea exactly, you don't have to worry 378 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,480 about missing out on the fruit even if it dies 379 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:44,839 back to the ground. Now, one caveat I do want 380 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:47,400 to offer with pearlglam I had it in my garden. 381 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,000 I don't have any mar because I made some changes. 382 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:52,839 But if it does die back to the ground, when 383 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:54,799 it starts to finally emerge, it can be quite late 384 00:20:54,839 --> 00:20:58,279 to emerge, and the foliage is so dark that unless 385 00:20:58,319 --> 00:21:01,039 you have it against some light colored mulch, it's very 386 00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:03,039 easy not to see it. And then you're out there, 387 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:05,240 you're gardening, You're like, yeah, it's spring, this is great. 388 00:21:05,279 --> 00:21:09,039 And then crunch, there goes your caliicarpa. So if your 389 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:11,079 plant died back to the ground. 390 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: Story of my life. Crunch, there goes my caliicarpa. 391 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: If you do have one, make sure that you've got 392 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,319 it cordoned off in a way until it starts to 393 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,599 put on a little bit of height, just to make 394 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,440 sure that disaster does not strike so hardy d usd's 395 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,359 on five keep tolerant through USDA Zone eight, no pollinator required, 396 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,359 and extremely deer resistant. It is actually in the Proven 397 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,960 Winner's Color Choice deer Proof program. So this is a 398 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,000 plant that you don't have to worry about deer eating. 399 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:42,799 It is a great and unique choice sitsld. If your 400 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,000 landscape could use a little spicing up right now, take 401 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,119 a look at Girding Simplified on your dot com and 402 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,559 explore Pearl Glam Beauty Beery. We're gonna take a little break. 403 00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:53,039 When we come back, we're opening up the mailbag, so 404 00:21:53,119 --> 00:22:02,079 please stay tuned at Proven Winner's Color Choice. We've got 405 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,359 a shrub for every taste and every space. Whether you're 406 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,240 looking for an easycare rose, an unforgettable hydrangea, or something 407 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:11,759 new and unique, you can be confident that the shrubs 408 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:14,160 and the white containers have been trialed and tested for 409 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,119 your success. Look for them at your local garden center. 410 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,200 Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified show. 411 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,599 You know we love to hear from you. Whether you 412 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:28,119 have a question for our mailbag segment, or you just 413 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,759 have something that you want to share and celebrate with us, 414 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:32,880 we would love to hear from you. You can just 415 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,000 go to Gardeningsimplified on air dot com, It's our website 416 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,319 and use the contact form to send us a message. 417 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:41,119 You can even attach some photos there. You can also 418 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,519 leave a comment on YouTube. And I do love hearing 419 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,319 from people when they just want to share something amazing 420 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,200 that they've done. And so the first thing that I 421 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,960 want to share with everybody is we heard from a listener, Kim, 422 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,839 who is here in the Grand Rapids area, and she 423 00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:02,839 sent photos of her container combinations outside her business. And 424 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,000 I wrote her back and I said, Kim, it's not 425 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:13,079 often that I opened an email like this and audibly gasp, 426 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,920 but I did. So this combination you have to see it, 427 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,079 so please go to YouTube or our show notes at 428 00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:20,559 Gardening Simplified on your dot com. 429 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: Was that castor bean? I saw? 430 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: Yes, it was oh wow. So when you see this, 431 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,440 you won't believe it. The castor bean plants in these 432 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,920 containers are well over ten feet tall, and she has 433 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,640 it combined with vermillion or Kufia, one of our absolute favorites, 434 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:38,119 some gorgeous sweet potato vines. I mean, this is a 435 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,680 combination that will stop you in your tracks. And she 436 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,319 said that they all started out as very small plants 437 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,480 earlier this year, and she's just been fertilizing and watering 438 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:52,160 like crazy. And the results speak for themselves. So please 439 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:55,240 take a moment to look at Kim's gorgeous containers. 440 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:57,319 Speaker 1: I saw a persian shield, Yes. 441 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: Persian shield. That was the other thing. I knew there 442 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,799 was something else else. I was forgetting that Strobilanthe's diarrhanus, 443 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,519 a purple foliage tropical. 444 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:06,319 Speaker 1: Plant, an incredible plant. 445 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just not something that you would expect 446 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:11,920 to be growing like this in Michigan, like maybe down 447 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,279 in Miami or something, but nope, it's right here in Michigan. 448 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,799 So amazing, Kim. We love to see it. 449 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: Hey, Stacy, we got a lovely comment from a listener, Jennifer. 450 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,319 Love the show. Look forward to each Saturday episode. Stacy, 451 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:27,720 we wanted to extend support to you regarding your no 452 00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:33,880 lawn project. We are senior sisters that have done the 453 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,000 same thing to our backyard, Texas Zone eight B. We 454 00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:41,119 started over a month ago, pulled up grass, laid down mulch. 455 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,759 We're so thrilled to have your endorsement because you did 456 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:48,240 it the same way. We weren't sure at first, but 457 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:50,200 we loved the way the cedar mulch has played out, 458 00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:53,920 kept everything so clean. While we decide on paver replacements 459 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,359 and small garden areas. We are mindful of zone planting 460 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:03,079 five to nine Zone five to nine parts sun, part 461 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,240 shade and shade as These work best for us because 462 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,960 we have a lot of trees. We've been getting design 463 00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:14,720 inspiration from pinterest Mediterranean patio designs. It'll be a good 464 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:18,960 project for us. Our front yard will remain a lawn hoa, 465 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:22,400 but we are now enjoying our water bill being cut 466 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,960 in half. I can imagine in Texas we're looking forward 467 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,039 to seeing your design decisions. That's fantastic. 468 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what are the chances that we were 469 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,400 pretty much doing this exact same project at the same 470 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,839 time and we had the same approach, which is just 471 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,720 that this idea can bias time to work on it 472 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,359 in phases. So I was absolutely tickled to see this 473 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:49,920 message and know that other people are joining the movement. 474 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,200 And if you aren't familiar, there are videos on our 475 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,000 YouTube channel of what I've done to my yard and 476 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,359 there will be an update out and you can see 477 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,920 where it was at in August and maybe we'll have 478 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,720 another one in spring. 479 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great and Jennifer, I can't wait to see 480 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:10,440 updates of your landscape and what you've done, that's fantastic 481 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:14,480 and it's great. Yeah. I think what you're doing, Stacy 482 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,680 is inspirational. You know I've done the same. I'm lawnless. 483 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: Yes, you are very lawless. You have like a lawn. 484 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: Path, not lawless, lawnless. 485 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: You might be lawless to I. 486 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:31,279 Speaker 1: Fought the lawn and the lawn one. Yeah. Where are we? Oh? 487 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:31,799 Here it is? 488 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, this long question here, Hi. 489 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: Stacy and Rick. I absolutely loved the show, been watching 490 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,160 from the beginning. Okay, so there's a backstory here. You 491 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,079 want to share it with us? 492 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: So this listeners said a lot of photos that will 493 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,759 have on YouTube or on gardening Simplified on air dot com. 494 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,240 She had a beautiful old silver maple that they had 495 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,599 to cut down because of age. They think it was very, 496 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,119 very old. They were very sad to have to lose it. 497 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,160 But they left the stump and use it as like 498 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,000 a perch for a flower pot, which is a very 499 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:02,000 nice idea, give it some height and make it a 500 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,680 little more attractive. But now the stump has, of course 501 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,519 continued to rot. This was four years ago, so now 502 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,359 they need it ground down. And what she wants to 503 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,000 do instead is to plant a temple of bloom hepticodium 504 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,119 where the silver maple used to be. But she said 505 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,759 that people are giving her various opinions on whether or 506 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:23,519 not it will actually grow in this spot. So they're 507 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:25,880 planning to have the stump ground down, pass soil level, 508 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,480 add top soil loam, and compost back into it even 509 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,680 and out, even though it's sloped. They're going to regrade 510 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,559 it and get it back to basically as if the 511 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,480 tree had not existed near as you can tell above ground. 512 00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:40,039 She says, we're willing to put in the care if 513 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,039 but will it work and will it survive? What should 514 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:46,960 I do? Or grass? And so she's just wondering what 515 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,079 you can do. And I wanted to say I had 516 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,640 a ash tree removed from my property shortly after we 517 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,240 moved in. Of course, here in Michigan, we were the 518 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,759 epicenter for the emerald ash bor invasion, which is killed, 519 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,920 you know, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of ashes nationwide, 520 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,200 and I unfortunately had the bad luck of having a 521 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,359 very beautiful mature ash in my yard succumbing to it 522 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,000 eventually because it took a little while to get out 523 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,240 here in the West. So when we did have that 524 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:19,400 taken out. We did have it professionally ground and I 525 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,920 have to say there was not a trace of stump 526 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:23,920 when this was done. 527 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: Same experience for me. You do want to talk to 528 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:28,640 the people who are doing the grinding of the stump 529 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,640 to make sure they go deep enough take that stump out. 530 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,200 But I had the same thing. I had a very 531 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,319 large oak tree next to my house and it was 532 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,519 too close to the house. It needed to go. I 533 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:44,519 replanted as soon as we were done grinding that stump out. Yes, 534 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,440 I used a hatchet. I did some digging, making sure 535 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,079 all the roots were gone. You don't want to have 536 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,880 the wood chips left laying around because they're going to 537 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,119 extract or not necessarily extract, but burn up valuable nutrients 538 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,039 for the plant that you put in. But other than that, 539 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:05,720 and you will see recommendations on the internet not to 540 00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:09,119 plant in an area where you've ground down a tree. 541 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,559 But I've done it successfully a few times. 542 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I didn't replace this one with a tree. 543 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,200 It was just with a variety of different perennials and 544 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,960 that kind of thing. But I found no issue whatsoever 545 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,079 planting in the area, and especially if they are going 546 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,359 to the landscapers are going to you know, take this 547 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160 away and put soil. I don't think you should have 548 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,839 any trouble at all planting a hepticodium. And one thing 549 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,440 I would say is that if you are concerned, you 550 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,839 you know, maybe start to dig before you head out 551 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,799 to the garden center, and if worse comes to worse, 552 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,799 start with a one gallon plant. Any time you have 553 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,599 an area that's difficult to dig in, if you can 554 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,960 find a smaller one gallon plant instead of a big 555 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:50,680 three gallon plant, that means less digging for you, and 556 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,400 chances are the plant is going to be able to 557 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,519 sort it out itself. I mean, this year, four years 558 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,640 after your tree removal, there's not going to be a 559 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,880 lot of living roots in there still trying to take 560 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,839 you know, water and really competing with your new plants. 561 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,240 So I don't personally think it'll be a problem, especially since, 562 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:09,799 as you've said, you are willing to you know, put 563 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,720 the work in and make sure that it is well 564 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:14,799 cared for. You're going to be keeping a close eye 565 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,279 on it. I don't personally see any reason, you know, 566 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,359 I don't think that silver maples typically have any kind 567 00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,519 of like a lollopathic or you know the effect of 568 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000 curtailing growth of other plants, like you know, a black walnut. 569 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,599 Speaker 1: Might I think if anything, some surface roots remaining. You're 570 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,519 going to see evidence of that with mushrooms sometimes. But again, 571 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:40,240 you know, the soil could be exhausted, so fertilizing, adding 572 00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:43,920 some nutrients minerals back into the soil probably would be key. 573 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,200 But beyond that, I truly believe that you can replant 574 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,039 in this area. 575 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it is sad as it was 576 00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:55,000 to lose your silver maple. Silver maples are problem trees. 577 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:57,799 I have a huge one in my front yard. Unfortunately, 578 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,799 I often say that I have the worse luck for 579 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,640 mature trees on my property because it was the silver maple, 580 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,720 a Siberian elm and an ash and it's just like, 581 00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,519 couldn't anyone have picked a decent tree at some point 582 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,640 in the history of this home. So things have improved. 583 00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:20,400 But anyway, as sad as that might have been, your sewers, 584 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,240 no doubt thank you for the loss of the silver maple. 585 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,240 So if you have a question, no forget you can 586 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,240 reach out to us at Gardening Simplified on air dot 587 00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:30,519 com and we would always love to hear from you. 588 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,680 We're going to take a little break and when we 589 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,880 come back, the birdman is coming in for a landing, 590 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:42,880 so stay tuned. The Gardening Simplified Show is brought to 591 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,359 you by Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning 592 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,400 flowering shrubs and evergreens have been trialed and tested for 593 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,039 your success so you enjoy more beauty and less work. 594 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,000 Look for Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs in the distinctive 595 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,200 white container at your local garden center. 596 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,359 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Today for Branching News, 597 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,200 a show favorite, we have an opportunity to chat with 598 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:12,400 the birdman. That's right, the birdman, Bill Stovell, swooping in 599 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,559 here on the Gardening Simplified Show. Our topic of course 600 00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:21,039 today has been berries and fall berries and birds love 601 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,960 berries and treat shrubs as an all you can eat buffet. 602 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,599 And it's not an uncommon sight, of course, to see 603 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,079 cardinals or cedar waxwings gulping them down on a wintery day. 604 00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:36,359 When you think about it, a lot of birds, well 605 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,200 they love worms and insects, bugs, but boy, they're not 606 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,880 going to turn down a good berry bill. Thanks for 607 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,920 joining us. On the show, And am I correct that 608 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,559 birds love berries, birds. 609 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 3: Need berries, and we need the birds to need berries 610 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,000 because they also plant them for us. 611 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,759 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and you. 612 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,119 Speaker 3: Thought about that and put the birds to work for you. 613 00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: That's right. 614 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 3: I listened a dozen birds just thinking off the top 615 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,200 of my head. I just love berries, and this is 616 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,440 the time of the year to find them, and you 617 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,759 should have a lot of them all around your own yard. 618 00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:20,359 Speaker 1: Well, share some of those with us. Bill, What birds 619 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,359 would you say, really go after the berries? 620 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,799 Speaker 3: Well, robins are a lot of fun. They like mountain 621 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,799 ash you know that story about too many mountain ash 622 00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:33,079 berries and they wobble all over the place. Oh yeah, 623 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,480 blue jays and cedar wax twings and bluebirds and revering blackbirds, 624 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:44,119 and goldfinches, purple finches, wood thrush, beery song sparrows, chickadees. 625 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,079 Kid might now I've had a few. 626 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: I've hit cardinals on a non invasive honeysuckle shrub in 627 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,920 my garden. They seem to really like the fruits of that, 628 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,559 which are in summer, not fall. 629 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm thinking about berries. They come on 630 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,880 in all different seasons. You know, we don't pick a 631 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,440 lot of strawberries right now, but we're sure are picking, 632 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,119 uh you know, some of the fall berries. Yeah, and 633 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,760 don't don't miss the crab apples and the flying crabs 634 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,880 and all all the little understory trees that create dogwoods 635 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,119 that create berries for our people down. 636 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 2: So, how is it that a bird is able to 637 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,280 eat a berry, which of course they're eating not for 638 00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:32,159 the seed inside, but for the flesh around the seed, 639 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,599 because that's, of course where all the nutrients are. How 640 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,760 is it that the berry is able to pass through 641 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,079 their digestive system without being digested. 642 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:49,119 Speaker 3: Well, the flesh around the berry is what is taken 643 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,920 off on the inside of the bird, and then the 644 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,039 acids in the stomach of the bird often helped to 645 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:59,199 break the edge of the outside of the seeds down 646 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,920 and make them those they can sprout, so they actually 647 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,280 go through a planting process by eating them, and. 648 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 2: It comes out with a little fertilizer load conveniently attached 649 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,679 to the seeds. Gives it a perfect little start there. 650 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: Well. Of course, berries offer a lot of energy to birds. 651 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,800 They're packed with sugars, fats, and vitamins, but they're kind 652 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,159 of low in protein. But and that protein that of 653 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,519 course they're going to get from insects, you know. I 654 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,679 watch the woodpeckers in my yard. Of course they love 655 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,320 the insects, but boy, they'll go after the berries too. 656 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:41,760 But it does bring up the point that in the 657 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,760 dead of winter, when those insects aren't around to help 658 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,559 supplement those berries, it's not a bad idea to have 659 00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:50,719 a couple bird feeders set out right. 660 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,559 Speaker 3: Well, particularly if you're talking about the protein. I have 661 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,079 a sewet feeder or two around for everybody to come 662 00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,840 and nibble on, because that's good protein. But there are 663 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,079 a lot of berries that wind are over. As a 664 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,960 matter of fact, the high bush cranberry is better and 665 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,199 late in the winter and early spring because it's pretty harsh. 666 00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,159 It's the first thing in the fall. 667 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, we should just clarify for anyone listening 668 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,599 that the high bush cranberry is actually a viburnum, not 669 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,320 a cranberry. It's just as called the cranberry bush because 670 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,280 it has red fruit. But they're actually quite tall ra 671 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,840 as cranberries are low growing, and there are a lot 672 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,039 of viburnums from Asia, but there are also a number 673 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,920 of American Native American viburnums of which the American cranberry 674 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,039 bush is one. And yeah, beautiful jewell like fruit on 675 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:40,840 there that does resemble its namesake. 676 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 3: I have a gratefully, gratefully been viburnums that are just 677 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,079 growing wild all around my plate too. So they just 678 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:49,840 just what makes you take its course. 679 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 2: If you can. Yeah, it's a great approach. 680 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 3: You know. 681 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: Early in fall on these plants, whether it's viburnum, whatever 682 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,440 type of plant it is, those berries can be really 683 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:06,559 fluorescent and beautiful and ornamental. As the fall progresses, we 684 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:10,159 start to have some hard frosts. Some of these trees 685 00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,440 are still loaded with berries and fruits, but they start 686 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,320 to wrinkle. And I often think Bill about the fact 687 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,719 that some of this fruit is fermenting. Does that cause 688 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,000 problems for birds? Maybe window collisions, that type of thing. 689 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:32,440 Do we have some Do we experience some difficulty with them? 690 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,079 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that fermentation changes their minds very much, 691 00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:44,760 but it may change their ability to walk or fly, yes, 692 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:48,800 particularly walk around underneath some of the those But I 693 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,800 don't think there's anything wrong that you can pass a 694 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,679 little bit of alcohol through your system and not be 695 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:55,400 any of the work. 696 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 2: For wear usually right, and so it does seem that 697 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,239 there is, you know, in my experience, a wide range 698 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,000 of when birds prefer to eat different berries. So some 699 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,320 you know, they'll be taking right and fall when they're fresh, 700 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,000 and then yeah, a lot of them, like crab apples 701 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,960 and the vibernium that you just mentioned, they kind of 702 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:17,400 want to soften, you know, to have gone through several 703 00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:20,480 freeze thought cycles, so that those fruits start to soft 704 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,480 to soften and get juicy, and they seem to do 705 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,719 they seem to prefer them that way, or it's just 706 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,639 that they have exhausted other food sources so then they 707 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:29,360 go for those. 708 00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 3: I think they prefer them that way. It may help 709 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,920 with the digestion. I don't know, it's part of the system, 710 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,920 but it's consistent. They some wait till later. A lot 711 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,400 of the apples, and just as you talk about, so 712 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:50,880 there's there's fruit available through most of the season you know, spring, summer, fall, 713 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,119 and winter. But it's it's something that they really depend 714 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,800 on in the winter to have some some berries around 715 00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:59,800 and some of the dogwoods have berries a good last 716 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:01,039 well into the spring. 717 00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 2: And you know, one of the great things about this 718 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,440 sort of you know, range of preferences from a horticultural 719 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,079 standpoint is that as gardeners, that means we get to 720 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,000 enjoy the berries and the birds eating them. So we'll 721 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,360 have all that color, you know, all through late fall 722 00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:19,519 and early winter, and then we get to enjoy the 723 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:21,599 birds eating them. So it's kind of a win win situation. 724 00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 3: Certainly is and the color and just the different I mean, 725 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,840 the red Osier dogwood is the stems are red, but 726 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,480 the berries are white, and it's just constant activity. 727 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet beautiful now, Bill. When we talk about 728 00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:44,119 this for our home landscapes, of course, the berries are beautiful, 729 00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:47,639 the birds like to eat the berries, but in essence 730 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,079 we are also providing a service to the birds in 731 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,320 that these types of shrubs you mentioned, the dog wood 732 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,559 or viburnum, they provide some protection also, you know, we 733 00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:05,480 were talking about gin fizz juniper, junipers or evergreens, whatever 734 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,800 plants like this that we add to our landscape. Birds 735 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,880 need some protection in winter also, whether it be hiding 736 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,920 from predators or from maybe the nasty windy cold weather. 737 00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 3: Correct cover is real important for birds to break the 738 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,440 wind and hide into and underneath the underneath that cover, 739 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,559 there's often food places to scratch around when the weather's bad, sure, 740 00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:36,119 so landscaping is really important. And to take a look 741 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:38,280 at what you're going to be planting and how big 742 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,000 it's going to be, and if you can use some 743 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:44,159 of the shorter understory trees, the dogwoods and some of 744 00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:48,880 the others to plant, it really helps your helps your 745 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,280 garden and helps the looks through everything. 746 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 2: How important are thorny plants in this or plants that 747 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,519 would be you know, more of a deterrent to predators. 748 00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,280 I'm thinking specifically cats, because of course there are a 749 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,199 lot of people who have, you know, who are facilitating 750 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,559 feral cats and that kind of thing. I had always 751 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,000 heard that if you do have some nice thorny shrubs 752 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,039 around it, those are extra helpful for birds and escaping 753 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:14,000 from cats. 754 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:17,079 Speaker 3: I don't know anything about that. I do know that 755 00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,320 we have some. I mean, I've got hawthorn here and 756 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,960 it's a beautiful and thorny thing. I've got black locusts 757 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,000 here and it's got thorns on it. But I didn't 758 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:33,159 think about dissuading cats. I'd just assume they'd be indoors. 759 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 2: Well, ideally they would be, but unfortunately the reality for 760 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,440 many people does not align. And I'm sure, of course, 761 00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,760 and your wonderful guard and the birds are very safe 762 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,920 and have no shortage of places to take refuge. 763 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: Would you plant a barberry? 764 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:50,519 Speaker 2: Heck? 765 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, I like, I like. 766 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 3: It was volunteer, but I've got it's probably about eight 767 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,079 feet long and about four feet high in about four 768 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,400 feet wide, and it is filled with berries. 769 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: Okay, barbary, barbary, yeah, barbary stuff. 770 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 2: You know, I can do other things for the birds, 771 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,039 then plant of barbary. 772 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:17,039 Speaker 3: Just saying well, red ferries are really good for that 773 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,159 kind of thing too. That's thorny and it creates a 774 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,360 good jam sometimes. 775 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,679 Speaker 1: You bet, you bet, Bill. In addition to the berries, 776 00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,840 I know you're a big proponent of making sure that 777 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,519 we provide some sort of water source for the birds, 778 00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:40,119 especially as we head into fall and winter, particularly here 779 00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:43,880 in the North and in the Midwest, something that you 780 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,079 need to think about, right. 781 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:50,559 Speaker 3: Bird bets are critical. Birds can find food, they can 782 00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,320 fly around and find that, but one thing's freeze over. 783 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,719 They're in trouble if they need to take a drink, 784 00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:59,559 and they need to be clean during the winter as well. 785 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,599 But to have a bird bat year round is a 786 00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:05,960 really good idea. Providing you stump it out on a 787 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,159 regular basis so that you don't breed mosquito. 788 00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:15,119 Speaker 1: That's true, Birdman. When we interview people on the show 789 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,559 about plants, we usually ask them the question, do you 790 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,920 have a favorite plant that you want to share with 791 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,480 our listeners? I want to ask you do you have 792 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,480 a favorite bird? If you were forced to say this 793 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,320 is my favorite bird, what bird would it be? 794 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,559 Speaker 3: Oh? Rick, I know I can't. I can't choose a 795 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:45,199 grandchild or a great grand value like I think loons 796 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,599 or affiliated woodpeckers, or I like a flash of a 797 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:55,320 cardinal Baltimore ools of northern oil. I'm sorry that old school. 798 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and. 799 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 3: I got a lot of little lbj's around, little brown jobs, 800 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:09,639 little black jobs that are just the activity LBJ. It's LBJ. Yeah, 801 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,199 little little brown job used to be president. If you 802 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,039 have difficulty and identification, just look at the color code 803 00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:22,719 and then just state what that's really professional it is LBJ. 804 00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:27,320 Speaker 2: Well, you know it's it's across disciplines, because I know 805 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:33,360 an entomology, they have lbm's little brown moths and and yep, 806 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,760 and and Adriana says they have little brown mushrooms. So 807 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,360 she is very interested in mushroom foraging. So she says, 808 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,119 they have LBMs little brown mushrooms. And of course in 809 00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:44,559 horticulture we have the d y c s, the darn 810 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:48,679 yellow composites, which is there's so many yellow daisy like flowers. 811 00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:50,559 It's just kind of yeah, it's one of those, you know, 812 00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:53,199 it's a it's a good catch all. Might seem unprofessional, 813 00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:58,199 but it is widespread use across academia and lay people alike. 814 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,639 Speaker 3: Well, it's gives you a taste of professionalism to be 815 00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:06,239 able to use some interesting terms. 816 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,639 Speaker 1: Exactly, I suppose I'm going to just start throwing acronyms 817 00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,599 at things, and yes, I'll sound professional and like I 818 00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:13,760 know what I'm talking about. 819 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 3: That thank you just say usually thank. 820 00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: You before we let you go. Bird Man got to 821 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,199 ask you real quickly. For the people who love the 822 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,079 hummingbirds out there, I've enjoyed them all summer. Long as 823 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,880 we get into fall they start heading out. When should 824 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,840 you take down? I mean a question people often ask, 825 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,280 when do you take down that hummingbird feeder? 826 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 3: I would say, when you stop seeing them and let 827 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,039 us go a couple of weeks. It's not negative to 828 00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:48,760 leave it out. Make sure it stays fresh, don't let 829 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,719 it get stale. But it's not going to keep them here. 830 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,239 The light is what makes them move, not the food. 831 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,519 So they're not going to stay because they're having bird 832 00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,960 feeders full right, Yeah, it's time to time to do that. 833 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,920 It's time to keep watching. And then when when you 834 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,599 don't see your humming birds around anymore than you take 835 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:08,559 it down for the season. 836 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:20,280 Speaker 1: Well, Birdman, I w f it was funs. 837 00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 3: Knowing the letters. 838 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: Always fun to talk to you folks. That's it's the Birdman, 839 00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:26,039 Bill Stovell. We always love talking to you, and I 840 00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:29,280 know our listeners viewers love it too. Thanks so much, Birdman, 841 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:30,000 Thank you. 842 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,400 Speaker 3: Bill, Well, thanks for thanks for seeing you guys. Talk 843 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:32,920 with you later. 844 00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 2: Well, there is never a dull moment when the Birdman visits, 845 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,079 so we are always grateful to hear from him, and 846 00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,440 we hope you are too. So I want to thank Birdman. 847 00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:42,519 I want to thank you Rick, and of course thank 848 00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:44,679 you Adriana, and most of all, thank you all to 849 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,039 you for listening watching the Gardening Simplified Show. We hope 850 00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:49,079 you have a wonderful week ahead.