Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf
Speaker 1: I Am six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
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Speaker 2: JJ on'm Rancho called and just said that for two
Speaker 2: weeks they haven't been able to get the weekend fix.
Speaker 3: All you got to do. All you got to do.
Speaker 2: Wherever you find your podcast, just type in Gary and Shannon,
Speaker 2: for example, I do it on the iHeart app, and
Speaker 2: then it will say podcasts. You tap that and you
Speaker 2: just go down the list and you find the Saturday podcast.
Speaker 2: It will tell you that it's new or it's old
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 3: So it's very simple. Should be should be super simple.
Speaker 2: We were talking earlier about anxiety and men, how it
Speaker 2: presents itself and how younger men don't know how to
Speaker 2: deal with it. Talking about anxiety and man.
Speaker 3: Men do not talk to their lives about their anxiety.
Speaker 4: The pressures are.
Speaker 3: Going through, the worries they have. If they can pay
Speaker 3: the bills or take care of everybody, they just do it.
Speaker 3: And then maybe one day I have a heart attacked.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna tell your wife and stressor all out.
Speaker 3: You just keep it to yourself, all right.
Speaker 1: At least he has his birds. Birds are very nice
Speaker 1: to talk to. Did you hear his birds?
Speaker 2: I did, and I was curious if the birds were
Speaker 2: helping him through his anxious time.
Speaker 3: Birds help all the time. I love we have birds
Speaker 3: in our backyard. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: So just spend a little time with the birds and
Speaker 1: join the birds. Just listening to the birds. It'll help
Speaker 1: you with any sort of anxiety you're feeling. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that is
Speaker 1: correct information.
Speaker 3: What else is going on? Good Lord? Time for what's happening?
Speaker 1: All right, guys, It's about to get damn hot, damn
Speaker 1: hot around here. Summer is here. We're gonna peak on Friday.
Speaker 1: Hives climb nearer above one hundred degrees. I'm going to
Speaker 1: the desert this weekend. That sounds like so so there's that.
Speaker 1: They say there's an increasing chance thirty to forty percent
Speaker 1: of Friday's highs approaching or breaking daytime records across the
Speaker 1: valley's end and deserts. Looking at you, pass socials, No,
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. If you want to do hack
Speaker 1: radio day, you got to text me in the morning
Speaker 1: so I can put on my hack radio outfit and
Speaker 1: get all the hack.
Speaker 3: What does that hack radio outfit look like?
Speaker 1: Oh, like a like a radio disc jockey from nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight.
Speaker 2: Like those old satin jackets that's got your station call
Speaker 2: letters on the back.
Speaker 3: You're damn right.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is like a knockoff road that wasn't even
Speaker 1: the real one.
Speaker 3: Good, that was like extra bad. Oh let's see here. Oh,
Speaker 3: bad news, bad news. Oh, bad news, bad news. This
Speaker 3: is all bad news. It's literally all awful.
Speaker 1: It's like, Hey, remember that fertility clinic that blew up
Speaker 1: in Pop Springs. They're back open. Hey remember how Palace
Speaker 1: Verdes is coming into the ocean? Gas service is being restored.
Speaker 3: That's good. Okay, that's so good.
Speaker 1: Remember that firefighter who fought the eating fire. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: got into a crash. He may be paralyzed. Oh remember
Speaker 1: the beanie babies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the head of.
Speaker 1: The beanie babies with their home was broken into and
Speaker 1: that woman's in a coma. Good Lord, Kean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: must be really ty. Hell, what are the quorkas? That
Speaker 1: sounds nice? Is that a little animal?
Speaker 2: Oh look at this, it's a cousin of the kangaroo quoka. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those little guys that always look like they're smiling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is always smiling.
Speaker 1: The quoka rare animal located on Rottenest Island near Australia's
Speaker 1: West coast in the Indian Ocean.
Speaker 3: He has gone viral.
Speaker 1: He and all of his quoka friends and helping to
Speaker 1: fund their own conservation efforts. How fun is that about
Speaker 1: ten thousand quokas live there.
Speaker 3: They're only twenty inches tall.
Speaker 1: This big, little smiling rodents what's wrong? You wanted to
Speaker 1: go back to the doom and gloom in?
Speaker 3: Is a marsupial? Does he have a pocket? I'm not
Speaker 3: certain about the cousin of the kang of the kangaroo.
Speaker 3: Do you have a pocket like your cousin does?
Speaker 2: Hmmm, Oh, you're asking the quoka. I thought you were
Speaker 2: asking me. I'm trying to have you ever seen your
Speaker 2: cousin's belly, probably when we were kids run around in
Speaker 2: the backyard.
Speaker 3: Oh it's just kids stuff. Bob, Oh, Bob, it's just
Speaker 3: kids stuff. That's not nice, he said, Oh, Bob, it's
Speaker 3: just kids stuff.
Speaker 2: They said that there are rules to interacting with quokas,
Speaker 2: like a like a turtle in Hawaii. You can't feed it,
Speaker 2: you can't touch it. Quocas even have the right of
Speaker 2: way if they are on the road. It is a marsupial.
Speaker 1: It's in the macropod family, like the kangaroos, like the wallabies.
Speaker 1: It eats herbs, not carnivorous. It's mainly not tnal. It's
Speaker 1: like Deborah, small plants, sleeps at night.
Speaker 3: And always smiles and always smiling, not always. It's only
Speaker 3: six point seven pounds, just like Deborah.
Speaker 1: Oh, I wish quoca, you're my little quoka.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell John about this.
Speaker 2: The other animal story is in north southeastern Kentucky. A
Speaker 2: black bear crashed through the ceiling of a house and
Speaker 2: ended up on top of the stove.
Speaker 3: I don't think the stove was on at the time. Wow.
Speaker 3: A warden.
Speaker 2: Local sheriffs dep you discovered the animal before they chased
Speaker 2: it from the property through an open door about five
Speaker 2: in the morning last Wednesday.
Speaker 3: According to law enforcement.
Speaker 2: After taking a look around, it was figured out the
Speaker 2: bear had climbed up a ladder outside, squeezed through an
Speaker 2: opening in the attic, and then fell through the ceiling
Speaker 2: into the residence below, probably right through the dry wall
Speaker 2: of the ceiling.
Speaker 1: And then the breaking news out of the world of
Speaker 1: law and order. Cassie could be going in the laborer.
Speaker 1: She had to leave the courtroom there the Ditty trial.
Speaker 1: She is a star witness, as you know. This is
Speaker 1: Diddy's ex who we saw on camera. He beat It
Speaker 1: was awful the abuse that she went through. Took the
Speaker 1: stand eight and a half months pregnant anyway, was taken
Speaker 1: by ambulance to the hospital. Sounds like she is about
Speaker 1: to go into labor with that.
Speaker 2: I believe third baby. When we come back more on
Speaker 2: those scammer stories.
Speaker 3: This may have been what did it?
Speaker 1: By the way, remember that ex Ditty employee, Capricorn Clark
Speaker 1: we talked about.
Speaker 3: In the first hour. She's been on the stand today.
Speaker 1: She's been on the stand today and she's been trashing
Speaker 1: Cassie today. And here's the quote, She's no Whitney Houston.
Speaker 3: Why would she say something like that, Well.
Speaker 1: Because Whitney's like the golden girl.
Speaker 3: Right. Do you remember how Whitney Houston died. I'm not
Speaker 3: ready for suspension. I just had a week off, not
Speaker 3: ready for another one. So close back to back.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Speaker 5: AM six forty.
Speaker 2: These five people killed nineteen injured. They said that six
Speaker 2: people are still missing after this huge explosion at the
Speaker 2: Gumi yowd Boy Gaumi Udao chemical plant in the city
Speaker 2: of Waifeang. It manufactures pesticides and chemicals for medical use.
Speaker 2: Not clear exactly what caused the explosion in the first place.
Speaker 1: Well, I mentioned earlier in the show, I stumbled into
Speaker 1: a show. I believe it's on Hulu. I think it's
Speaker 1: called Hey Beautiful. It's about somebody who was I'm only
Speaker 1: one episode in. I believe it's a series of four
Speaker 1: or five or something. But it's about a man or
Speaker 1: a woman, or a network of people I don't know
Speaker 1: yet who was scamming a bunch of women. And these
Speaker 1: are women who are not vulnerable, weak feeble minded people.
Speaker 1: These are smart, intelligent, scomplished women who happened to just
Speaker 1: be maybe.
Speaker 3: A little bit lonely in life.
Speaker 1: And this person or people were very crafty at weaving
Speaker 1: their way into these women's lives and becoming so important
Speaker 1: to them that yes, they were scammed. There was an
Speaker 1: article in the cut by Christopher Ketchum. It's about his father, Brian.
Speaker 1: Brian Ketchum was a transportation engineer and urban planner. In fact,
Speaker 1: The New York Times ran his pretty lengthy obituary in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, where he was declared an influential environmentalist. Well,
Speaker 1: Christopher says that it was only after his dad, Brian died,
Speaker 1: that he got access to his conversations with in Christopher's words,
Speaker 1: the creatures who fleeced him. Dad called these members his
Speaker 1: harem women online who may not have existed in real life,
Speaker 1: but it was Dad paid. Dad even printed the transcripts
Speaker 1: of dialogues, filled them, filed them, and metal cabinets in
Speaker 1: his office, just like you would any other thing that
Speaker 1: was important in his life.
Speaker 2: When Christopher went through Dad's papers, he realized that a
Speaker 2: lot of this came. I mean, it wasn't just romantic.
Speaker 2: There were financial things that he was falling for. Ads
Speaker 2: for crypto, ads for stocks, you know, early stock buy
Speaker 2: ins for startup companies, biotech trade for ten times profit,
Speaker 2: all these things he was I don't even know if
Speaker 2: Christopher would describe his dad, Brian as the sheltered version
Speaker 2: of himself. But after Brian's sorry, Christopher's stepmom, the Brian's
Speaker 2: wife had died from cancer. He or while he was dying,
Speaker 2: she was dying from cancer. He spent all of his
Speaker 2: time caretaking for her, and when she finally passed, this
Speaker 2: was kind of where he fel found some sort of.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what companionship, canyonship. He was in
Speaker 3: his eighties.
Speaker 1: He'd spent his days, his son found out conversing via
Speaker 1: chat there on his office desktop, and according to Dad's notes,
Speaker 1: one of the women was a blonde from Russia named Facilia,
Speaker 1: and he had met her on dream Singles, a dating website.
Speaker 1: She was five five, one hundred and eight pounds. He
Speaker 1: had written her ID number carefully on a print out
Speaker 1: of her profile page, along with her zodiac sign eye
Speaker 1: color age. Was that her real identity? The son wonders, well,
Speaker 1: my father never speculated in some things that could have
Speaker 1: been a bot or some dude in his mom's basement.
Speaker 1: But here is some of what Brian, Dad and Vasilia
Speaker 1: had to say to each other. May third, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: the day after Dad logged in and registered his credit
Speaker 1: card for the first time. The woman or the bot
Speaker 1: or the man or the machine or whatever wrote this, Brian,
Speaker 1: after ten minutes together in real life, will you understand
Speaker 1: everything about us in our future. She noted that she
Speaker 1: was living in New York City. Dad became excited. She
Speaker 1: may have just been around the corner. He wrote to her,
Speaker 1: I'm new on this site, New York City, question mark.
Speaker 1: All other women I have contacted are from Ukraine.
Speaker 2: He says, I am only eighty two, in good health,
Speaker 2: and you do know the eighties or the New sixties,
Speaker 2: as you report in your introduction. If I got to
Speaker 2: know you for five minutes, we would be in love.
Speaker 2: I already am.
Speaker 1: In order to communicate with the women, he had to
Speaker 1: purchase credits. They were required for every message, beyond some
Speaker 1: initial free exchanges. If you bought more credits at once,
Speaker 1: they were discounted on the first day they spoke. Dad
Speaker 1: spent forty nine ninety nine by May seventh, So that
Speaker 1: was May third. So four days later, Dad Brian's getting
Speaker 1: frustrated and flustered a little bit snippy. He asked Vizilia
Speaker 1: for a meeting in person. He wrote to our So
Speaker 1: you're in NYC. My family believes this is a scam site,
Speaker 1: and you're just a picture and your comments belong to others.
Speaker 3: You can prove them wrong.
Speaker 1: Apparently this guy's kids, the sister and the son who
Speaker 1: wrote this article said, we had discovered this all almost
Speaker 1: immediately by accident, after seeing the name of the site
Speaker 1: in a series of recurring charges on his credit card statements,
Speaker 1: so the kids were privy to the credit card statements.
Speaker 3: That doesn't always happen.
Speaker 2: Well, this guy lost to the tune of tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars over the course of years that he
Speaker 2: was communicating. We were asking you if you had ever
Speaker 2: seen this or if you were a victim of this
Speaker 2: at any point.
Speaker 6: Garyan Channon, I have a sixty plus year old golf
Speaker 6: buddy that has a terminally ill wife, and he just
Speaker 6: barely started kind of searching for some companionship in the
Speaker 6: last couple of weeks, and he's already got two supposedly
Speaker 6: Asian women, one from the Los Angeles area, one from
Speaker 6: the San Diego area after him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, and it's happened. It happens for men exactly
Speaker 1: in that situation. Me sick wife or wife recently departed,
Speaker 1: and in this happen, I mean it happens in real
Speaker 1: life where widows meet people.
Speaker 3: And my mom had a boyfriend after my dad died.
Speaker 1: It happens naturally all the time, but it doesn't always
Speaker 1: happen with these scams the way that Christopher writes in
Speaker 1: the cut with his dad going to a specific site
Speaker 1: to find love dream singles. In the documentary, I'm watching
Speaker 1: some of these women are just playing like words with
Speaker 1: friends or just their normal Facebook activity, and someone just
Speaker 1: comes out of the blue going, oh, I see you
Speaker 1: were at Disneyland. That's cool. Has it changed much? It
Speaker 1: starts off so pedestrian and.
Speaker 3: So, but then it gets to I mean, it's just.
Speaker 1: A friendship, and then love is introduced, and then it's
Speaker 1: I need an operation and my heart's going to give
Speaker 1: out and my money's tied up in this account in Delaware.
Speaker 1: And it's if you're in love with someone, you will
Speaker 1: tell yourself whatever you want to hear yourself say to yourself.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of self talk, Shannon.
Speaker 7: My dad's in his later years. My parents were married
Speaker 7: forty eight years to mom have passed away, and he's
Speaker 7: not allowed to buy gift cards from Walgreens anymore. They
Speaker 7: cut him off because he kept spending so much money
Speaker 7: and he's banned from that. Also.
Speaker 3: Yep, Internet, yeah, Internet, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The gift cards thing is I think a lot of people.
Speaker 1: That's on the radar of a lot of people. But
Speaker 1: you know, we I think when it comes to love
Speaker 1: and companionship, we do it's just humans. Is a human
Speaker 1: thing make kind of allowances of like kind of not
Speaker 1: paying attention to everything, or that's how powerful it is.
Speaker 8: Right eighty seventy years old black man. I had a
Speaker 8: girl give me up, probably a couple of months ago,
Speaker 8: and she started, oh, I love me some chocolate, and
Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm old enough to be your grandpa. And
Speaker 8: she was like, well, it don't matter. Age is just
Speaker 8: a number, Send me some money, and I'm gonna come
Speaker 8: give you the side. I just blog her from that point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she blew it. She blew it. Well, there's a
Speaker 3: couple more.
Speaker 2: We'll do them on the other side here that we'll
Speaker 2: listen to scams, but then we'll get into our true
Speaker 2: crime Tuesday, the latest on the Idaho murder case out
Speaker 2: of there in University of Idaho.
Speaker 1: That is Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 3: You're right, I don't stroke.
Speaker 1: We also have to talk about your taking your dog
Speaker 1: dancing tonight.
Speaker 2: Not dancing, he's doing agility, a first shot at agility
Speaker 2: training tonight.
Speaker 1: Agility training is your dog going to be a member
Speaker 1: of Seal Team six.
Speaker 3: If he was, I'm not going to be able to
Speaker 3: tell you. Okay, we'll get into that as well.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Speaker 5: AM six forty.
Speaker 3: Did you see Okay?
Speaker 2: So whenever we travel, the worst moment is the plane
Speaker 2: has come to a complete stop and everybody stands up,
Speaker 2: everybody and they're all pushing and shoving and you got
Speaker 2: to get your bag and like everybody awful.
Speaker 3: Humans are big dumb in.
Speaker 1: No, is it new that people don't know the rules
Speaker 1: of dplaning where they will walk in front of you.
Speaker 1: That it's not row by row, like there's a dude
Speaker 1: three rows back. It's pushing ahead more important than you are.
Speaker 3: I don't understand it. It's like it's just basic decent.
Speaker 2: In Turkey, the Turkish Director at General of Civil Aviation
Speaker 2: has now instructed cabin crews kill those people for planes
Speaker 2: landing in.
Speaker 3: Shoot them on site, to issue.
Speaker 2: Warnings that passengers who do not respect the disembarkation priority
Speaker 2: of the passengers in front of you or around you
Speaker 2: will be reported to the Civil Aviation authority can kill
Speaker 2: potentially find hundreds of thousands of Turkish dollars.
Speaker 3: I think that is wonderful. That makes me want to
Speaker 3: move to Turkey. It's pretty funny. Oh, just a couple
Speaker 3: more of these we're talking about, you know what. I
Speaker 3: would like to just just edit that. Okay.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for the people that feel that they
Speaker 1: need to get off the plane and cut in front
Speaker 1: of people, because you can't really feel good about yourself
Speaker 1: moving through your day knowing you did that.
Speaker 3: Don't know.
Speaker 2: They don't care. They don't care a psychopaths. Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: they do not care at all. Oh, we were talking
Speaker 2: about scams, Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 4: I can't believe you guys are talking about this right now.
Speaker 4: Me and my family are living through this nightmare as
Speaker 4: we speak. My mother in law has just lost her
Speaker 4: partner for many years. Everything he left her, she's giving away,
Speaker 4: taking loans on the property, she's sent thousands away. These
Speaker 4: people are very good at what they do. Yeah, please
Speaker 4: let me warn everybody. These people are no joke. They
Speaker 4: know what they do and they do it well.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: You need to fight. Don't let them seclude your family members,
Speaker 4: don't let them pick.
Speaker 3: What they do. They seclude them.
Speaker 1: And like I said, and he freaking puts the exclamation point.
Speaker 1: These are not dumb people that are getting scammed. These
Speaker 1: people are so creative with the way that they are
Speaker 1: able to worm their way into your loved ones lives.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's don't you don't see it coming and
Speaker 1: then you're in it, And I mean this documentary, I
Speaker 1: think it's hey beautiful. There's a really good job of
Speaker 1: showing that. And that's one of the tricks that they
Speaker 1: do is they start kind of cutting just like any
Speaker 1: other grand manipulator, they kind of start cutting you off
Speaker 1: from other people so that they have complete your complete attention.
Speaker 2: And actually it's manipulation, but it almost sounds, especially if
Speaker 2: if there's a lot of communication that goes back and forth,
Speaker 2: almost like a hypno hypnosis right right right, that you're convincing.
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine you're an older lady. Some of these
Speaker 1: marriage some of these women are married, but their husbands
Speaker 1: haven't really talked to them for forty years. You know
Speaker 1: everything you're gonna know about your spouse at that point.
Speaker 3: And and suddenly somebody I know what you're saying, No
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: Suddenly somebody comes into their lives and it's like, so
Speaker 1: tell me about this.
Speaker 3: Tell me about you, Oh where'd you grow up?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Tell me about your family, and it's like whoa somebody
Speaker 1: wants It can be very alluring.
Speaker 3: I can see where that would be captivating.
Speaker 1: Suddenly somebody's interested in you, like why would they want to?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And then they ask you for money. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know it's a couple of steps down the road.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of steps down the road, though, I
Speaker 1: mean months and months of just normal communication and then
Speaker 1: it's not just a flat out request for money.
Speaker 3: It's very clever in some ways.
Speaker 1: They'll say like one of the women featured in the documentary,
Speaker 1: he asks her he's traveling internationally and asks, I forget
Speaker 1: what the reason.
Speaker 3: Was, and he says, oh this money.
Speaker 1: Oh he was in gems or whatever, and he made
Speaker 1: this big purchase or whatever, and said he shows receipts
Speaker 1: of like contracts, like, oh, look at this contract. And
Speaker 1: they had talked about his life and his career, and
Speaker 1: this is a contract he's been working towards for eight months.
Speaker 1: And he gets the contract and it's like, oh, now
Speaker 1: I can now we can live our life and we
Speaker 1: can do these things and blah blah blah, and it's all.
Speaker 3: Very believable with all the receipts that these people show.
Speaker 1: And then, oh, I just needed five thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: get this money out of this this one account that's
Speaker 1: wrapped up offshore.
Speaker 3: Whatever. I'll get it to you Tuesday. She's like, this
Speaker 3: is weird.
Speaker 1: I don't like it that everything's about this is telling
Speaker 1: me this is wrong. But it's only five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And then if this is a scam, and it's a scam.
Speaker 3: And whatever, and I'm only out five right.
Speaker 1: Gives them the five thousand, the five thousands back in
Speaker 1: her count On Tuesday, he's back. Everything's fine for the
Speaker 1: next seven months. I mean, that's the thing they don't get.
Speaker 1: They're not they're patient, and they wait in the weeds.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really sick stuff. Are they able to
Speaker 1: determine how much somebody has? It's just information you glean
Speaker 1: with conversation. A lot of the times, if it's a widow,
Speaker 1: or if it's somebody who's retired, they're they're traveling, that
Speaker 1: you can tell that they're independent, they're wealthy enough to
Speaker 1: take care of themselves. They maybe they've got grown children
Speaker 1: who they help out. Any little inkling is bait in
Speaker 1: the water for these guys. And again, this is not
Speaker 1: like they want twenty five thousand dollars. They want like
Speaker 1: a thousand here and there. And they've got a full
Speaker 1: bench of women who they'll they'll be talking to you
Speaker 1: and they'll scam you for a thousand, and then they'll
Speaker 1: scam her for four thousand. And by the end of
Speaker 1: a week's worth of compliments you've dished out to your
Speaker 1: online girlfriends, you're you've made eighteen grand.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: They're not big amounts sometimes, and then they get bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger. You know how it works. But initially it's
Speaker 1: not that much money. It's to see if people are willing,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And then you only need to really hit like you said,
Speaker 2: I mean, it can start out a small av it's.
Speaker 1: A big operation you're running. You don't have to uh,
Speaker 1: it has to work one out of ten times. And
Speaker 1: now with the AI bots, they can handle all the
Speaker 1: communication for you. You train your AI bought just to
Speaker 1: give compliments and act interested. I mean, that's why I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to spend so much time on
Speaker 1: it today, because I think this is the big I
Speaker 1: think this is the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with AI. Right, Well, don't chat with people online?
Speaker 3: Well that's everyone does that?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: Do you chat with strangers? No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I have you to talk to. Thanks, I need an
Speaker 2: operation and I was thinking of maybe.
Speaker 3: I know you enough to know to let you just go.
Speaker 3: It was been next to knowing you don't worry. The
Speaker 3: alternative is better for everybody. Thanks. All right, True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 2: When we come back, I'll start your gun find me Paige.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Speaker 5: AM six forty.
Speaker 2: A bunch of stories that we are following today, the
Speaker 2: continued turmoil between Russia and Ukraine. The Russian press says
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump's peace deal is dying a slow death.
Speaker 2: We know the Russian forces have taken four border villages
Speaker 2: in Ukraine's northeastern area, just days after Vladimir Putin said
Speaker 2: he'd issued in order to establish a buffer zone along
Speaker 2: the border.
Speaker 3: Would you like your jeopardy question?
Speaker 1: Sorry, I fell out of practice track.
Speaker 3: You just asked them into the air and no one
Speaker 3: would respond. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Fractional terms for six hundred dollars in college Basketball's March
Speaker 1: Madness Tournament. This round is comprised of the Elite eight.
Speaker 2: Remember fractional terms, Oh eight would be the quarterfinal.
Speaker 3: Yes, look at you math, Look at that math on you.
Speaker 3: It's time for we've been practicing your math. True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 8: The story is true.
Speaker 3: That's true. No, it sounds made up. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Perry and Shannon present True Crime.
Speaker 2: Well, we are a little bit closer to although I'm
Speaker 2: not certain we're going to get there, closer to a
Speaker 2: trial date or for the trial of Brian Koberger. This
Speaker 2: is the master's student who is now being charged with
Speaker 2: the murders of four University of Idaho students. This case
Speaker 2: obviously for the last few years, because it is just
Speaker 2: so incredible.
Speaker 3: There is a problem.
Speaker 2: Dateline ran an episode recently that shows some new evidence,
Speaker 2: and there is a concern that whoever leaked that evidence
Speaker 2: is going to mean that the judge disqualifies it from
Speaker 2: the trial. This is evidence about Brian Coberger's phone. Investigators
Speaker 2: said they found dozens of saved photos that featured young
Speaker 2: young women from Wazoo, from Washington State University, and from
Speaker 2: the University of Idaho, many of them in their swimsuits,
Speaker 2: and several of the women that were in the pictures
Speaker 2: had some sort of close tie to the four victims
Speaker 2: in this case, Xanakernudle, Kayly Gonzalez, Madison Mogan, and Ethan Chapin.
Speaker 3: That is, that's what they have so far.
Speaker 2: They don't have the pictures of the four of the
Speaker 2: three women and the men the man who was killed,
Speaker 2: but that they've got He's got pictures of people connected
Speaker 2: to them. It's not clear what that necessarily means, but
Speaker 2: eyewitnesses said they saw this guy, Brian Coberger, again at
Speaker 2: a pool party in Moscow, Idaho, months before the murders.
Speaker 2: He'd made at least a dozen trips to the area
Speaker 2: surrounding the time of the crime.
Speaker 1: Now there is speculation that the judge would exclude evidence
Speaker 1: that was shown on this dateline episode.
Speaker 3: That is not going to happen.
Speaker 2: Because the evidence, the fact that it was leak doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily mean that the evidence is bad.
Speaker 3: Right, That means true. That is true.
Speaker 1: The judge in this case is a judge by the
Speaker 1: name of Hippler.
Speaker 3: I can't get the first name.
Speaker 1: I don't know where the first name is anyway, Judge
Speaker 1: Hippler Stephen Stephen Hippler. Hippler said in a pair of
Speaker 1: orders last week that the court's gag order was likely
Speaker 1: violated by someone who was associated with either the defense
Speaker 1: or Coburg's defense. He has ordered anyone who worked with
Speaker 1: either law enforcement, prosecutors or the defense on this case
Speaker 1: to retain all communications and data relating to the murder investigation.
Speaker 1: He went on to say in his order, the judge
Speaker 1: did such violations not only undermine the rule of law,
Speaker 1: potentially by person's charge with upholding it, but also significantly
Speaker 1: impede the ability to seat an impartial jury. Now, how
Speaker 1: you would able to seat an impartial jury in this
Speaker 1: area already with all of the press media, all the
Speaker 1: time that's gone by, all the speculation, the amateur sleuths.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's very hard in twenty twenty five to have what
Speaker 1: was once considered an impartial jury right, a jury that
Speaker 1: hasn't been tainted by any information about the case.
Speaker 3: Now, he says, he is opened.
Speaker 1: The judge did to appointing a special prosecutor who would
Speaker 1: investigate where the league came from.
Speaker 3: Hasn't made yet a decision.
Speaker 2: August eleventh, is the as of right now is supposed
Speaker 2: to be the first day of trial, so we'll see
Speaker 2: if if this throws a.
Speaker 3: Speed bump into all of that.
Speaker 2: One of the other aspects of this case we talked
Speaker 2: with Howard Bloom before. He is an author of a
Speaker 2: book specifically about these murders, and he has a new
Speaker 2: theory that he's working on, which is to answer the
Speaker 2: question why would he do this?
Speaker 3: Why would Brian Coburger do this?
Speaker 2: And he said, here you have a guy who had
Speaker 2: already gotten his Bachelor of Science degree in psychology, decided
Speaker 2: to continue his studies to get a master's in criminal justice,
Speaker 2: and had finally decided on forensic psychology, this science of
Speaker 2: exploring the recesses of criminal minds, and that, as luck
Speaker 2: would have it, he found an unlikely friend and champion
Speaker 2: to guide him, a professor named doctor Catherine Ramsland, a
Speaker 2: recognized authority in the psychological study of serial killers. And
Speaker 2: what Howard Bloom is suggesting is that the murders were
Speaker 2: an attempt on Brian Koberger's behalf to impress, of course,
Speaker 2: this author, this well world renowned author and clinical forensic psychologist,
Speaker 2: to prove somehow to her that he's capable of beating
Speaker 2: the system.
Speaker 3: I'm meeting the perfect crime.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're just hearing about this because this
Speaker 1: holds water for me. This makes sense. And all of
Speaker 1: the fascinations with serial killers, all the documentaries, all the books,
Speaker 1: everyone has been privy to serial killers absolutely have a
Speaker 1: fascination with other serial killers. It's the same thing with
Speaker 1: school shooters, same kind of mentality. And as her student,
Speaker 1: as this woman's student, during his two year course, he
Speaker 1: read the professor's seminal works, including Inside the Minds of
Speaker 1: serial Killers, Why They Kill and Confess of a serial Killer,
Speaker 1: The Untold Story of Dennis Raider, the BTK killer. So
Speaker 1: this was somebody who already had a obsessive personality, and
Speaker 1: it seems like he because there's so much that doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense about why he targeted this group of students. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you may have seen the one girl by the food truck,
Speaker 1: and there's all this thing.
Speaker 3: Was he slighted? Was he romantically slighted?
Speaker 1: Was he just upset that this was a party house
Speaker 1: he wasn't part of the party. This is what makes
Speaker 1: the most sense, based on what we know about this
Speaker 1: person's psyche, that that's exactly what would happen, and that
Speaker 1: these students were, unfortunately for them, picked at complete random.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, John Cobal Show is coming up next.
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