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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf

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<v Speaker 1>I Am six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on

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<v Speaker 1>demand on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>JJ on'm Rancho called and just said that for two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks they haven't been able to get the weekend fix.

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<v Speaker 3>All you got to do. All you got to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Wherever you find your podcast, just type in Gary and Shannon,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, I do it on the iHeart app, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it will say podcasts. You tap that and you

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<v Speaker 2>just go down the list and you find the Saturday podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It will tell you that it's new or it's old

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's very simple. Should be should be super simple.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking earlier about anxiety and men, how it

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<v Speaker 2>presents itself and how younger men don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with it. Talking about anxiety and man.

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<v Speaker 3>Men do not talk to their lives about their anxiety.

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<v Speaker 4>The pressures are.

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<v Speaker 3>Going through, the worries they have. If they can pay

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<v Speaker 3>the bills or take care of everybody, they just do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then maybe one day I have a heart attacked.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not gonna tell your wife and stressor all out.

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<v Speaker 3>You just keep it to yourself, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>At least he has his birds. Birds are very nice

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to. Did you hear his birds?

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<v Speaker 2>I did, and I was curious if the birds were

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<v Speaker 2>helping him through his anxious time.

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<v Speaker 3>Birds help all the time. I love we have birds

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<v Speaker 3>in our backyard. Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>So just spend a little time with the birds and

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<v Speaker 1>join the birds. Just listening to the birds. It'll help

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<v Speaker 1>you with any sort of anxiety you're feeling. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that is

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<v Speaker 1>correct information.

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<v Speaker 3>What else is going on? Good Lord? Time for what's happening?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, It's about to get damn hot, damn

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<v Speaker 1>hot around here. Summer is here. We're gonna peak on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Hives climb nearer above one hundred degrees. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>the desert this weekend. That sounds like so so there's that.

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<v Speaker 1>They say there's an increasing chance thirty to forty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of Friday's highs approaching or breaking daytime records across the

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<v Speaker 1>valley's end and deserts. Looking at you, pass socials, No,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not doing that. If you want to do hack

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<v Speaker 1>radio day, you got to text me in the morning

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<v Speaker 1>so I can put on my hack radio outfit and

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<v Speaker 1>get all the hack.

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<v Speaker 3>What does that hack radio outfit look like?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, like a like a radio disc jockey from nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>Like those old satin jackets that's got your station call

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<v Speaker 2>letters on the back.

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<v Speaker 3>You're damn right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is like a knockoff road that wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>the real one.

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<v Speaker 3>Good, that was like extra bad. Oh let's see here. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>bad news, bad news. Oh, bad news, bad news. This

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<v Speaker 3>is all bad news. It's literally all awful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, Hey, remember that fertility clinic that blew up

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<v Speaker 1>in Pop Springs. They're back open. Hey remember how Palace

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<v Speaker 1>Verdes is coming into the ocean? Gas service is being restored.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good. Okay, that's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that firefighter who fought the eating fire. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>got into a crash. He may be paralyzed. Oh remember

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<v Speaker 1>the beanie babies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the head of.

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<v Speaker 1>The beanie babies with their home was broken into and

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<v Speaker 1>that woman's in a coma. Good Lord, Kean, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>must be really ty. Hell, what are the quorkas? That

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<v Speaker 1>sounds nice? Is that a little animal?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh look at this, it's a cousin of the kangaroo quoka. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those little guys that always look like they're smiling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he is always smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>The quoka rare animal located on Rottenest Island near Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>West coast in the Indian Ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>He has gone viral.

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<v Speaker 1>He and all of his quoka friends and helping to

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<v Speaker 1>fund their own conservation efforts. How fun is that about

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand quokas live there.

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<v Speaker 3>They're only twenty inches tall.

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<v Speaker 1>This big, little smiling rodents what's wrong? You wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the doom and gloom in?

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<v Speaker 3>Is a marsupial? Does he have a pocket? I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>certain about the cousin of the kang of the kangaroo.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have a pocket like your cousin does?

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, Oh, you're asking the quoka. I thought you were

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<v Speaker 2>asking me. I'm trying to have you ever seen your

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<v Speaker 2>cousin's belly, probably when we were kids run around in

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<v Speaker 2>the backyard.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's just kids stuff. Bob, Oh, Bob, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>kids stuff. That's not nice, he said, Oh, Bob, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just kids stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that there are rules to interacting with quokas,

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<v Speaker 2>like a like a turtle in Hawaii. You can't feed it,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't touch it. Quocas even have the right of

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<v Speaker 2>way if they are on the road. It is a marsupial.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the macropod family, like the kangaroos, like the wallabies.

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<v Speaker 1>It eats herbs, not carnivorous. It's mainly not tnal. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like Deborah, small plants, sleeps at night.

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<v Speaker 3>And always smiles and always smiling, not always. It's only

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<v Speaker 3>six point seven pounds, just like Deborah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I wish quoca, you're my little quoka.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to tell John about this.

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<v Speaker 2>The other animal story is in north southeastern Kentucky. A

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<v Speaker 2>black bear crashed through the ceiling of a house and

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<v Speaker 2>ended up on top of the stove.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think the stove was on at the time. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>A warden.

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<v Speaker 2>Local sheriffs dep you discovered the animal before they chased

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<v Speaker 2>it from the property through an open door about five

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<v Speaker 3>According to law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>After taking a look around, it was figured out the

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<v Speaker 2>bear had climbed up a ladder outside, squeezed through an

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<v Speaker 2>opening in the attic, and then fell through the ceiling

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<v Speaker 2>into the residence below, probably right through the dry wall

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<v Speaker 2>of the ceiling.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the breaking news out of the world of

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<v Speaker 1>law and order. Cassie could be going in the laborer.

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<v Speaker 1>She had to leave the courtroom there the Ditty trial.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a star witness, as you know. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy's ex who we saw on camera. He beat It

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<v Speaker 1>was awful the abuse that she went through. Took the

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<v Speaker 1>stand eight and a half months pregnant anyway, was taken

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<v Speaker 1>by ambulance to the hospital. Sounds like she is about

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<v Speaker 1>to go into labor with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe third baby. When we come back more on

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<v Speaker 2>those scammer stories.

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<v Speaker 3>This may have been what did it?

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, remember that ex Ditty employee, Capricorn Clark

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about.

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<v Speaker 3>In the first hour. She's been on the stand today.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been on the stand today and she's been trashing

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<v Speaker 1>Cassie today. And here's the quote, She's no Whitney Houston.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would she say something like that, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Whitney's like the golden girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Do you remember how Whitney Houston died. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>ready for suspension. I just had a week off, not

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<v Speaker 3>ready for another one. So close back to back.

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<v Speaker 5>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 5>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>These five people killed nineteen injured. They said that six

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<v Speaker 2>people are still missing after this huge explosion at the

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<v Speaker 2>Gumi yowd Boy Gaumi Udao chemical plant in the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Waifeang. It manufactures pesticides and chemicals for medical use.

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<v Speaker 2>Not clear exactly what caused the explosion in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mentioned earlier in the show, I stumbled into

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<v Speaker 1>a show. I believe it's on Hulu. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>called Hey Beautiful. It's about somebody who was I'm only

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<v Speaker 1>one episode in. I believe it's a series of four

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<v Speaker 1>or five or something. But it's about a man or

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<v Speaker 1>a woman, or a network of people I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>yet who was scamming a bunch of women. And these

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<v Speaker 1>are women who are not vulnerable, weak feeble minded people.

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<v Speaker 1>These are smart, intelligent, scomplished women who happened to just

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit lonely in life.

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<v Speaker 1>And this person or people were very crafty at weaving

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<v Speaker 1>their way into these women's lives and becoming so important

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<v Speaker 1>to them that yes, they were scammed. There was an

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<v Speaker 1>article in the cut by Christopher Ketchum. It's about his father, Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Ketchum was a transportation engineer and urban planner. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times ran his pretty lengthy obituary in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, where he was declared an influential environmentalist. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher says that it was only after his dad, Brian died,

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<v Speaker 1>that he got access to his conversations with in Christopher's words,

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<v Speaker 1>the creatures who fleeced him. Dad called these members his

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<v Speaker 1>harem women online who may not have existed in real life,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was Dad paid. Dad even printed the transcripts

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<v Speaker 1>of dialogues, filled them, filed them, and metal cabinets in

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<v Speaker 1>his office, just like you would any other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>was important in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>When Christopher went through Dad's papers, he realized that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this came. I mean, it wasn't just romantic.

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<v Speaker 2>There were financial things that he was falling for. Ads

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<v Speaker 2>for crypto, ads for stocks, you know, early stock buy

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<v Speaker 2>ins for startup companies, biotech trade for ten times profit,

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<v Speaker 2>all these things he was I don't even know if

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher would describe his dad, Brian as the sheltered version

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<v Speaker 2>of himself. But after Brian's sorry, Christopher's stepmom, the Brian's

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<v Speaker 2>wife had died from cancer. He or while he was dying,

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<v Speaker 2>she was dying from cancer. He spent all of his

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<v Speaker 2>time caretaking for her, and when she finally passed, this

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of where he fel found some sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what companionship, canyonship. He was in

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<v Speaker 3>his eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd spent his days, his son found out conversing via

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<v Speaker 1>chat there on his office desktop, and according to Dad's notes,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the women was a blonde from Russia named Facilia,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had met her on dream Singles, a dating website.

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<v Speaker 1>She was five five, one hundred and eight pounds. He

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<v Speaker 1>had written her ID number carefully on a print out

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<v Speaker 1>of her profile page, along with her zodiac sign eye

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<v Speaker 1>color age. Was that her real identity? The son wonders, well,

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<v Speaker 1>my father never speculated in some things that could have

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<v Speaker 1>been a bot or some dude in his mom's basement.

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<v Speaker 1>But here is some of what Brian, Dad and Vasilia

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<v Speaker 1>had to say to each other. May third, twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>the day after Dad logged in and registered his credit

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<v Speaker 1>card for the first time. The woman or the bot

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<v Speaker 1>or the man or the machine or whatever wrote this, Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>after ten minutes together in real life, will you understand

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<v Speaker 1>everything about us in our future. She noted that she

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<v Speaker 1>was living in New York City. Dad became excited. She

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<v Speaker 1>may have just been around the corner. He wrote to her,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm new on this site, New York City, question mark.

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<v Speaker 1>All other women I have contacted are from Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, I am only eighty two, in good health,

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<v Speaker 2>and you do know the eighties or the New sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>as you report in your introduction. If I got to

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<v Speaker 2>know you for five minutes, we would be in love.

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<v Speaker 2>I already am.

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<v Speaker 1>In order to communicate with the women, he had to

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just a picture and your comments belong to others.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently this guy's kids, the sister and the son who

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<v Speaker 1>immediately by accident, after seeing the name of the site

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<v Speaker 1>in a series of recurring charges on his credit card statements,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this guy lost to the tune of tens of

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<v Speaker 6>Garyan Channon, I have a sixty plus year old golf

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<v Speaker 1>That, yeah, and it's happened. It happens for men exactly

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<v Speaker 1>in that situation. Me sick wife or wife recently departed,

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<v Speaker 3>And my mom had a boyfriend after my dad died.

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<v Speaker 1>It happens naturally all the time, but it doesn't always

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<v Speaker 1>happen with these scams the way that Christopher writes in

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<v Speaker 1>to find love dream singles. In the documentary, I'm watching

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<v Speaker 1>were at Disneyland. That's cool. Has it changed much? It

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<v Speaker 3>So, but then it gets to I mean, it's just.

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<v Speaker 1>I need an operation and my heart's going to give

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<v Speaker 1>out and my money's tied up in this account in Delaware.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's if you're in love with someone, you will

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<v Speaker 3>That's a lot of self talk, Shannon.

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<v Speaker 7>My dad's in his later years. My parents were married

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<v Speaker 7>forty eight years to mom have passed away, and he's

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<v Speaker 7>not allowed to buy gift cards from Walgreens anymore. They

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<v Speaker 7>cut him off because he kept spending so much money

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<v Speaker 7>and he's banned from that. Also.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, Internet, yeah, Internet, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The gift cards thing is I think a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's on the radar of a lot of people. But

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<v Speaker 1>thing make kind of allowances of like kind of not

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention to everything, or that's how powerful it is.

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<v Speaker 8>Right eighty seventy years old black man. I had a

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<v Speaker 8>and she started, oh, I love me some chocolate, and

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<v Speaker 8>I'm like, I'm old enough to be your grandpa. And

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<v Speaker 8>she was like, well, it don't matter. Age is just

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<v Speaker 8>give you the side. I just blog her from that point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she blew it. She blew it. Well, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do them on the other side here that we'll

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<v Speaker 2>listen to scams, but then we'll get into our true

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<v Speaker 2>crime Tuesday, the latest on the Idaho murder case out

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<v Speaker 2>of there in University of Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>That is Gary and Shannon will continue.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, I don't stroke.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have to talk about your taking your dog

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<v Speaker 1>dancing tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Not dancing, he's doing agility, a first shot at agility

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<v Speaker 2>training tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Agility training is your dog going to be a member

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<v Speaker 1>of Seal Team six.

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<v Speaker 3>If he was, I'm not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you. Okay, we'll get into that as well.

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<v Speaker 5>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So whenever we travel, the worst moment is the plane

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<v Speaker 2>has come to a complete stop and everybody stands up,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody and they're all pushing and shoving and you got

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<v Speaker 2>to get your bag and like everybody awful.

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<v Speaker 3>Humans are big dumb in.

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<v Speaker 1>No, is it new that people don't know the rules

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<v Speaker 1>of dplaning where they will walk in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's not row by row, like there's a dude

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<v Speaker 1>three rows back. It's pushing ahead more important than you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand it. It's like it's just basic decent.

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<v Speaker 2>In Turkey, the Turkish Director at General of Civil Aviation

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<v Speaker 2>has now instructed cabin crews kill those people for planes

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<v Speaker 2>landing in.

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<v Speaker 3>Shoot them on site, to issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Warnings that passengers who do not respect the disembarkation priority

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<v Speaker 2>of the passengers in front of you or around you

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<v Speaker 2>will be reported to the Civil Aviation authority can kill

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<v Speaker 2>potentially find hundreds of thousands of Turkish dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is wonderful. That makes me want to

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<v Speaker 3>move to Turkey. It's pretty funny. Oh, just a couple

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<v Speaker 3>more of these we're talking about, you know what. I

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<v Speaker 3>would like to just just edit that. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for the people that feel that they

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<v Speaker 1>need to get off the plane and cut in front

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<v Speaker 1>of people, because you can't really feel good about yourself

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<v Speaker 1>moving through your day knowing you did that.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't care. They don't care a psychopaths. Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they do not care at all. Oh, we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about scams, Gary and Shannon.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't believe you guys are talking about this right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Me and my family are living through this nightmare as

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<v Speaker 4>we speak. My mother in law has just lost her

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<v Speaker 4>partner for many years. Everything he left her, she's giving away,

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<v Speaker 4>taking loans on the property, she's sent thousands away. These

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<v Speaker 4>people are very good at what they do. Yeah, please

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<v Speaker 4>let me warn everybody. These people are no joke. They

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<v Speaker 4>know what they do and they do it well.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>You need to fight. Don't let them seclude your family members,

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<v Speaker 4>don't let them pick.

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<v Speaker 3>What they do. They seclude them.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, and he freaking puts the exclamation point.

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<v Speaker 1>These are not dumb people that are getting scammed. These

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<v Speaker 1>people are so creative with the way that they are

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<v Speaker 1>able to worm their way into your loved ones lives.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's don't you don't see it coming and

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<v Speaker 1>then you're in it, And I mean this documentary, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's hey beautiful. There's a really good job of

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<v Speaker 1>showing that. And that's one of the tricks that they

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<v Speaker 1>do is they start kind of cutting just like any

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<v Speaker 1>other grand manipulator, they kind of start cutting you off

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<v Speaker 1>from other people so that they have complete your complete attention.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually it's manipulation, but it almost sounds, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a lot of communication that goes back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>almost like a hypno hypnosis right right right, that you're convincing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, imagine you're an older lady. Some of these

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<v Speaker 1>marriage some of these women are married, but their husbands

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<v Speaker 1>haven't really talked to them for forty years. You know

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<v Speaker 3>And and suddenly somebody I know what you're saying, No

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly somebody comes into their lives and it's like, so

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me about you, Oh where'd you grow up?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about your family, and it's like whoa somebody

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<v Speaker 1>wants It can be very alluring.

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<v Speaker 3>I can see where that would be captivating.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly somebody's interested in you, like why would they want to?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And then they ask you for money. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's a couple of steps down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of steps down the road, though, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean months and months of just normal communication and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just a flat out request for money.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very clever in some ways.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll say like one of the women featured in the documentary,

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<v Speaker 1>he asks her he's traveling internationally and asks, I forget

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<v Speaker 1>what the reason.

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<v Speaker 3>Was, and he says, oh this money.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he was in gems or whatever, and he made

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<v Speaker 1>this big purchase or whatever, and said he shows receipts

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<v Speaker 1>of like contracts, like, oh, look at this contract. And

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<v Speaker 1>they had talked about his life and his career, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is a contract he's been working towards for eight months.

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<v Speaker 1>And he gets the contract and it's like, oh, now

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<v Speaker 1>I can now we can live our life and we

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<v Speaker 1>can do these things and blah blah blah, and it's all.

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<v Speaker 3>Very believable with all the receipts that these people show.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, oh, I just needed five thousand dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>get this money out of this this one account that's

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped up offshore.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever. I'll get it to you Tuesday. She's like, this

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it that everything's about this is telling

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<v Speaker 1>me this is wrong. But it's only five thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if this is a scam, and it's a scam.

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<v Speaker 3>And whatever, and I'm only out five right.

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<v Speaker 1>Gives them the five thousand, the five thousands back in

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<v Speaker 1>her count On Tuesday, he's back. Everything's fine for the

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<v Speaker 1>next seven months. I mean, that's the thing they don't get.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not they're patient, and they wait in the weeds.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's really sick stuff. Are they able to

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<v Speaker 1>determine how much somebody has? It's just information you glean

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<v Speaker 1>with conversation. A lot of the times, if it's a widow,

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<v Speaker 1>or if it's somebody who's retired, they're they're traveling, that

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell that they're independent, they're wealthy enough to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of themselves. They maybe they've got grown children

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<v Speaker 1>who they help out. Any little inkling is bait in

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<v Speaker 1>the water for these guys. And again, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>like they want twenty five thousand dollars. They want like

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand here and there. And they've got a full

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<v Speaker 1>bench of women who they'll they'll be talking to you

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll scam you for a thousand, and then they'll

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<v Speaker 1>scam her for four thousand. And by the end of

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<v Speaker 1>a week's worth of compliments you've dished out to your

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<v Speaker 1>online girlfriends, you're you've made eighteen grand.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not big amounts sometimes, and then they get bigger

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<v Speaker 1>and bigger. You know how it works. But initially it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that much money. It's to see if people are willing,

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<v Speaker 2>And then you only need to really hit like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it can start out a small av it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A big operation you're running. You don't have to uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it has to work one out of ten times. And

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<v Speaker 1>now with the AI bots, they can handle all the

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<v Speaker 1>communication for you. You train your AI bought just to

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<v Speaker 1>give compliments and act interested. I mean, that's why I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I wanted to spend so much time on

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<v Speaker 1>it today, because I think this is the big I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is the tip of the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially with AI. Right, Well, don't chat with people online?

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's everyone does that?

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<v Speaker 5>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you chat with strangers? No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I have you to talk to. Thanks, I need an

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<v Speaker 2>operation and I was thinking of maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you enough to know to let you just go.

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<v Speaker 3>It was been next to knowing you don't worry. The

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<v Speaker 3>alternative is better for everybody. Thanks. All right, True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, I'll start your gun find me Paige.

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<v Speaker 5>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 5>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of stories that we are following today, the

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<v Speaker 2>continued turmoil between Russia and Ukraine. The Russian press says

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<v Speaker 2>that Donald Trump's peace deal is dying a slow death.

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<v Speaker 2>We know the Russian forces have taken four border villages

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<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine's northeastern area, just days after Vladimir Putin said

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<v Speaker 2>he'd issued in order to establish a buffer zone along

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<v Speaker 2>the border.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you like your jeopardy question?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I fell out of practice track.

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<v Speaker 3>You just asked them into the air and no one

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<v Speaker 3>would respond. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Fractional terms for six hundred dollars in college Basketball's March

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<v Speaker 1>Madness Tournament. This round is comprised of the Elite eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember fractional terms, Oh eight would be the quarterfinal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, look at you math, Look at that math on you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's time for we've been practicing your math. True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 8>The story is true.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true. No, it sounds made up. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Perry and Shannon present True Crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we are a little bit closer to although I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not certain we're going to get there, closer to a

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<v Speaker 2>trial date or for the trial of Brian Koberger. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the master's student who is now being charged with

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<v Speaker 2>the murders of four University of Idaho students. This case

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<v Speaker 2>obviously for the last few years, because it is just

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<v Speaker 2>so incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Dateline ran an episode recently that shows some new evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>and there is a concern that whoever leaked that evidence

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<v Speaker 2>is going to mean that the judge disqualifies it from

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<v Speaker 2>the trial. This is evidence about Brian Coberger's phone. Investigators

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<v Speaker 2>said they found dozens of saved photos that featured young

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<v Speaker 2>young women from Wazoo, from Washington State University, and from

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Idaho, many of them in their swimsuits,

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<v Speaker 2>and several of the women that were in the pictures

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<v Speaker 2>had some sort of close tie to the four victims

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, Xanakernudle, Kayly Gonzalez, Madison Mogan, and Ethan Chapin.

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<v Speaker 3>That is, that's what they have so far.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have the pictures of the four of the

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<v Speaker 2>three women and the men the man who was killed,

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<v Speaker 2>but that they've got He's got pictures of people connected

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<v Speaker 2>to them. It's not clear what that necessarily means, but

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<v Speaker 2>eyewitnesses said they saw this guy, Brian Coberger, again at

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<v Speaker 2>a pool party in Moscow, Idaho, months before the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd made at least a dozen trips to the area

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding the time of the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there is speculation that the judge would exclude evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that was shown on this dateline episode.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the evidence, the fact that it was leak doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily mean that the evidence is bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, That means true. That is true.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge in this case is a judge by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Hippler.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't get the first name.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where the first name is anyway, Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Hippler Stephen Stephen Hippler. Hippler said in a pair of

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<v Speaker 1>orders last week that the court's gag order was likely

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<v Speaker 1>violated by someone who was associated with either the defense

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<v Speaker 1>or Coburg's defense. He has ordered anyone who worked with

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<v Speaker 1>either law enforcement, prosecutors or the defense on this case

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<v Speaker 1>to retain all communications and data relating to the murder investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>He went on to say in his order, the judge

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<v Speaker 1>did such violations not only undermine the rule of law,

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<v Speaker 1>potentially by person's charge with upholding it, but also significantly

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<v Speaker 1>impede the ability to seat an impartial jury. Now, how

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<v Speaker 1>you would able to seat an impartial jury in this

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<v Speaker 1>area already with all of the press media, all the

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<v Speaker 1>time that's gone by, all the speculation, the amateur sleuths.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hard in twenty twenty five to have what

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<v Speaker 1>was once considered an impartial jury right, a jury that

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been tainted by any information about the case.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, he says, he is opened.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge did to appointing a special prosecutor who would

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<v Speaker 1>investigate where the league came from.

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<v Speaker 3>Hasn't made yet a decision.

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<v Speaker 2>August eleventh, is the as of right now is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be the first day of trial, so we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>if if this throws a.

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<v Speaker 3>Speed bump into all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the other aspects of this case we talked

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<v Speaker 2>with Howard Bloom before. He is an author of a

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<v Speaker 2>book specifically about these murders, and he has a new

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<v Speaker 2>theory that he's working on, which is to answer the

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<v Speaker 2>question why would he do this?

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<v Speaker 3>Why would Brian Coburger do this?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, here you have a guy who had

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<v Speaker 2>already gotten his Bachelor of Science degree in psychology, decided

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<v Speaker 2>to continue his studies to get a master's in criminal justice,

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<v Speaker 2>and had finally decided on forensic psychology, this science of

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<v Speaker 2>exploring the recesses of criminal minds, and that, as luck

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<v Speaker 2>would have it, he found an unlikely friend and champion

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<v Speaker 2>to guide him, a professor named doctor Catherine Ramsland, a

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<v Speaker 2>recognized authority in the psychological study of serial killers. And

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<v Speaker 2>what Howard Bloom is suggesting is that the murders were

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<v Speaker 2>an attempt on Brian Koberger's behalf to impress, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>this author, this well world renowned author and clinical forensic psychologist,

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<v Speaker 2>to prove somehow to her that he's capable of beating

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<v Speaker 2>the system.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm meeting the perfect crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe we're just hearing about this because this

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<v Speaker 1>holds water for me. This makes sense. And all of

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<v Speaker 1>the fascinations with serial killers, all the documentaries, all the books,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone has been privy to serial killers absolutely have a

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<v Speaker 1>fascination with other serial killers. It's the same thing with

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<v Speaker 1>school shooters, same kind of mentality. And as her student,

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<v Speaker 1>as this woman's student, during his two year course, he

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<v Speaker 1>read the professor's seminal works, including Inside the Minds of

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<v Speaker 1>serial Killers, Why They Kill and Confess of a serial Killer,

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<v Speaker 1>The Untold Story of Dennis Raider, the BTK killer. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was somebody who already had a obsessive personality, and

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like he because there's so much that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense about why he targeted this group of students. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you may have seen the one girl by the food truck,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's all this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Was he slighted? Was he romantically slighted?

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<v Speaker 1>Was he just upset that this was a party house

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't part of the party. This is what makes

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<v Speaker 1>the most sense, based on what we know about this

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<v Speaker 1>person's psyche, that that's exactly what would happen, and that

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<v Speaker 1>these students were, unfortunately for them, picked at complete random.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it sounds like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, John Cobal Show is coming up next.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see you Tomorrow's day Dry everybody lessings.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show, you

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<v Speaker 2>can always hear us live on KFI AM six forty

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