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Speaker 1: Good to be with you, my friend, as we have

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a lot to go over from action that includes earlier

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news in nostalgia, and there's a lot to recap. Let's

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start with the Boxer Sky Sports main event. That was

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Ben Whittaker light heavyweight, unbeaten, very very flashy fighter, over

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the top, arrogant in a lot of people's estimation if

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you watch him. He did get a second round stoppage

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of Liam Cameron. I have seen the stoppage. I have

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seen replays of the stoppage. There's apparently some squabbling on

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a Sunday night from boxing Twitter, from fans online that

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maybe it was too abrupt. What are your thoughts on

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this main event as as Whittaker is remains undefeated with

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the second round stoppage of Liam Cameron.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, you have to go back to

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what happened in October tj That was when they had

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that wacky draw technical draw, when Ben Whittaker was apparently

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having as rare end kicked all over the place by

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an opponent he was a huge favorite against, and in

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the end, because of the tanglement of their feet and

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then then falling out of the ring and Ben Whittaker

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injuring his ankle or his leg in some fashion and

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the fight was not able to continue. It was ended

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because of I don't know if they called it an

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accidental foul, but either way it was rule. It was

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going to the score cards, not because of an accident,

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not because of a foul specifically, but because they had

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already gone past the fourth round. So they went to

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the cards and it turned out that it was in

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fact they split rat one judge having it for Cameron,

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one judge having it for Whitaker, and one judge having it.

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that the fight ended, some people suspecting he was kind

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of shaman out and wasn't really injured. I don't believe

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that personally, And because obviously it turned out to be

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a draw, that the rematch was highly necessary and immediately

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it had to be done. They couldn't like not do

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this in the next fight, so that's what happened. On

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Sunday they did the rematch. The headlined the boxer card

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in Birmingham, England, and this started off, you know similar,

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in the second round, you know, Ben Whittaker, who you

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reason for his performance and his attitude and all the

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stuff that goes into it, he landed such a nice

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right hand it really badly shook and rocked and changed

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a quick second there, you know, he kind of dipped down.

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all over him and backed them up and hit him

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with another couple of good body shots, but it was

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really the first right hand and then the second big

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right hand that was the damage that was done. But

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he had him in the corner, and as you mentioned,

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in there, but also other big punches, and you know,

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he was ready to really do some serious damage to

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Liam Cameron. So I thought that Howard Foster, who was

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the referee who we have been critical about in certain

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other fights, and that was well, you know, deserved in

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my opinion, but he got to give him props. I

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saw some people get on Howard Foster's case. For this one,

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I thought it was like literally the perfect stoppage. He

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saved him from taking completely unnecessary punishment. He was gonna

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get absolutely destroyed the way that Ben Whittaker was banging

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up on him, and he saved him from that, and

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it was the right thing to do with Some people

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were suggesting that he should have called a knockdown because

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the ropes held him up. That was not really what

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then what that rule is about. That's if you get

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hit and you bounce into the ropes and they hold

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you up. He was just in a corner taking punishment,

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did have his hands up, and he protested right away

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and even showed I had my hands up.

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't see it as a major protest.

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hands can be up. But Whittaker was going around the gloves.

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Speaker 1: He was going he's clearly not firing back. We know

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that he's not punching back, right it was.

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I mean, what can I say? I thought the the

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stoppage was perfectly fine.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was an important win for Whittaker. You know, he's

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an Olympian, he was a medallist. A lot of people

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think he has potential to be a world champion. I

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don't think he's as great as a lot of people

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say he is, but he certainly got the potential. I

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think what rubs people the wrong way is the way

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he show votes in the attitude. And I'll give you

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an example. He knocked out Liam Cameron, who's a solid guy,

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I guess, but you know, kind of a journey in

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this kind of record and not a lot of big

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wins on his resume and Ben Whittaker and I get

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the emotion. Okay, I've watched boxing my whole life, and

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I've seen and been ringside for and watched on television

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a thousand guys, a million guys celebrate. But you know

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there's something gonna be said for an element of decorum.

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I get it. It's an emotional moment. That's fine. I've

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seen guys win a lot bigger fights than Ben Whitaker

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Over Liam Cameron. He did a celebration like you thought.

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He just you know, won one hundred million dollars lotto

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prize or he just won the undisputed heavyweight championship. Where

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he's running around the ring shouting. He went to the

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he was shouting in Cameron. He stuck his head between

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the ropes and was shouting at Cameron's corner, which was

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uncalled for. I mean, it's just ridiculous. I mean I

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juxtaposed that and with seeing Mike Tyson knocked out Michael

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Spinks and what was at that time the biggest fight,

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uh money wise anyway in the history of boxing and

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one of the biggest fights ever uh for the lineal

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you know, heavyweight championship, both undefeated Mega mega mega mega

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mega fight and Mike Tyson blitzed him in ninety one

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seconds and simply spread his arms and said, what'd you expect? Yeah,

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you should have expected it, right, that's it.

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Speaker 1: And Kevin oone, he's hugging on him and he's not

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running around the ring acting like an idiot or tawning

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any of Michael.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he let it all pour out emotionally. That's

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the way he's going to be. First care, He's an

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emotional fighter. But at the end of the day, it

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was a good win. Uh. He puts this uh this

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uh situation behind him with Cameron, and now you just

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hope he can, uh, you know, continue on and step

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up the ladder and and but but but maintain the

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emotion in the ring. Maintained that the corps act like

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the professional act like.

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Speaker 1: You've been there, and he's he's still several steps away

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from the championship relevant, but he does get that win,

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all right, So we're going chronologically. That happened last on

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the weekend. Let's back up to Saturday night, US time

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in Oceanside, California, the Golden Boy Dezone Show, where Gabriella

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Fondora headlined and did retain her undisputed women's flyweight championship

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with a seventh round TKO over Marilyn Badillo. And I

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saw some of that fight and the TKOL. Right, what

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This is now four knockedouts or stoppages in five fights

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for her. So where a lot of women's boxing is

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not ko's or stoppages, she is still delivering and maybe

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part of it is the level of competition.

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Speaker 3: But pick up on that.

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I mean, I think that's fairness in no

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way it's shape or form is that a negative about Fondora.

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She's an excellent fighter. You can just tell watching her fight. Obviously,

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she comes from a good boxing family. Your dad trains her,

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her dad trains her older brother, Sebastian Fundora, who's the

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unified title holder at junior middleweight. They spend a lot

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of time on the broadcast talking about how they have

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a younger sister who's just starting out who's maybe going

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to be better than both of them. They maybe say,

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we'll see how that developed. She's still, like, you know,

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ten eleven years old. I mean, there's stull ways to go.

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But Gabriell Fandora, she's a really good fighter. I mean, again,

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the opposition in this particular fight may not have been

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a huge step up or a big time level, but

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she has wins over other very competent and known opponents

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that she's done really well against. And as you mentioned,

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the knockouts are not the most common thing in women's boxing,

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so that is a little bit of a nice thing

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to say. Marilyn Bidillo, who was undefeated in this particular fight,

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she was a mandatory challenger going into this match, but

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she was completely i mean overmatch beyond comprehension. First of all,

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you know Svendors as a family here and her brother

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are very tall for their weight classes, so she towered

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over Bedillo, and Badillo just had every She just looked

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petrified the whole fight. Basically she had absolutely nothing to offer.

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I mean she tried, I guess, but it wasn't like

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there was any competition. Fandora won every single round in

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when she knocked her down, pretty rough knockdown in the

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seventh round too Badio's credit. She did get up and

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beat the count, but she basically was done. She basically

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walked away. She wanted no more. Bit I forget if

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the corner, I guess the corner was throwing in the towel. Anyway,

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they called the fight off in the seventh round, and

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Fandora retains the women's undisputed Flyway title. And it was

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a very impressive performance because she's not just winning the

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at her recent fights, she's winning basically every round of

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the fights. She's winning virtual shutouts or legit shutouts, or

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maybe she's lost around here or there, but she's dominating, dominating,

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and then getting knockouts. So she's exciting and when you

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think about it like this, DJ, she's twenty three years old.

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The women who command the spotlight beyond her in women's

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boxing today, people like Serrano and Katie Taylor and Claressa

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Shields and Michaela Mayer and there others, Alicia Bamgardner. You know,

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thirty plus. Maybe bomb Gardner stole in her late twenties,

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but Claressa's thirty plus, Serrano, Bob Michaela, certainly they're all

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into their thirties. So you know, not to say that

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their careers are over by any stretch of the imagination,

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but if you look at some of them, you know

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they're closer to the end. But Gabriella Fandora still in

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her early days, I feel on the way up. She's

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got a chance, you know, once some of those other

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women I just mentioned maybe clear out in the next

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couple of years, she's got a chance to maybe be

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the face of women's boxing, because not only is she

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knocking her opponents out, and she's got such a friendly

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demeanor and a good personality, she's also going to obviously

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at some point, you know, rise and wait over the

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next few weight divisions. She's got a chance at her

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frame and the way she punches, could become a serious

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player and contender and champion, you know, in several more

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weight classes down the road. So this was her first

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main event, which she was excited about, and she did

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a great job. What can you say?

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Speaker 1: And she has been active, and let's see if that

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activity continues to serve her well as she gets the

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main event. When all right, and then in the cod features,

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oh yeah, surprise, surprise. We're in the preview mode. We

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talked about Charles Conwell. We talked about how he's trying

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to work his way up the junior middleweight ranks. He's

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a former US Olympian, and a funny thing happened on

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the way to title contention, if not a title shot.

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He is beaten by Jorge Garcia Perez in the co

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feature fight on split decision. And I saw my Dan

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Rayphael tweet of you agreed right away with the split

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decision that it should have been Garcia Perez. He's the

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deserved winner. So I have to confess I have not

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watched that fight.

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Speaker 3: What happened.

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Speaker 1: Was Conwell not effective? Was he not interested?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Was Perez just much better than? Yeah, than what anybody thought?

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All of the above, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like all the above. I mean, listen

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to me, as I had posted on my social media

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as I was watching the fight that I thought Conwell

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was in a world of trouble and wasn't performing very well.

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And I guess, you know, I'm not gonna say Garcia

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is a superstar championship fighter, but he's not a bum.

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But he's just a regular, you know, good decent opponent.

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I mean, and he I think fought above what the

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expectations were, and Conwall did not fight to his expectations. Now,

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Conwell has been a number one contender in the WBC,

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is highly ranked. He's on the presibsis of being a mandatory.

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This is not a guy that's working his way up

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the rank, so to speak. Other than though he hadn't

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fought a lot of top guys, but he's been winning consistently.

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He did have the Olympic background. He's gotten a little

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more active because of his promotional situation, getting ironed out

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and signing with Golden Boy. But there can be no mistake,

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there could be no Monday morning quarterbacking. This is a

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massively debilitating loss for Conwell because now no one's gonna

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have a reason to fight him. He's coming off a

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loss where he looked it wasn't you know, it's one

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thing if you lose, but it's super exciting. You know

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you're gonna get your phone ringing. I guess. But it

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was not a very good fight, to be quite honest

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with you. And in the end he lost. Yes, it

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was close, it was competitive, but I thought that that

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that he lost the fight. The two judges had it

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one fifteen, one to thirteen in favor of of They

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called him Garcia Perez, I guess is the mother's last name,

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so he was going by Jorge Garcia. In any event,

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he won on two score cards by that close margin,

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and it was Conwell who won the fight one fifteen

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to one thirteen, which I thought was sort of ridiculous. Uh,

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and leave it to lou Morette to score for the

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house fighter. I mean, that's just the way it's always been.

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And I'm not even joking. I swear to God, if

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you had said to me before the fight, if someone's

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gonna give it to Conwell and he doesn't serve it.

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I would a million percent have said it's morett no

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doubt in my mind, and that's just it's par for

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the course. But at least the other two judges got

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it right. And uh it Look, it's a huge win

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for Garcia. Uh. You know, he's got some losses, but

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he just scored the biggest win of his career. Uh.

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He'll probably get some more activity for Conwell in.

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Speaker 3: The smell rematch.

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Speaker 1: Do they want to pay Perez Garcia Perez more money?

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I have no idea with con get him right back

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with Conwell to get the stink off of him later

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this summer.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea if Conwell had a rematch clause

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or not. I have zero interest in seeing that fight again.

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Conwell is not at a level where you know he

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should be. He should even have a rematch, Go back

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to work, try to get another good opponent in the ringing,

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and then get your your act together and try to

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come back strong. And either way, Well I say it's

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a debilitating loss. It's not like his career's over, you know,

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but it's not like he can instantaneously be find himself

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into the world title fight. In my opinion, but he's

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not an old fighter. He's only twenty seven. He is

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with a good promoter. He does have the amateur accolades,

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and he is a good fighter. I've always thought holly

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of Conwell ever since he turned professional. This was a

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bad night for him, have the story, and for his

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opponent and your man, Jorge Garcia. I mean, what can

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you say? He did what he's supposed to do again.

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He doesn't have a big backing, doesn't have a big resume,

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but you know what, I was glad to see that

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they didn't rob him and that he got the victory

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that he deserved. And if you win the fight, you

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should get it whatever your affiliations are. And good for him,

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he got a big time win. He was kind of

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emotional after the fight. It means a lot to him

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and it should because he's going to get bigger fights

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and more opportunities and know, for his sake, hopefully a

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lot more money.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's continue in the recap mode and

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we go backwards to earlier in the afternoon on Saturday, Sheffield, England.

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The match room to his own main events saw Dalton

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Smith knock down Matthew Jermaine multiple times, including right in

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the final round, but it ends up that Jermaine did

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make it the twelve round distance, one sided win for Smith.

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How much do we read into this to the positive

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for him as again he's a star in in the

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UK and is in the rankings at junior welterway. What

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else do we make of this with Dalton Smith doing

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what he was supposed to do in the main event.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this was the last fight before the

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title fight. He's been the mandatory in the WBC. He

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put that position at risk in this fight. It's the

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you know he's done that before. But he came through.

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He looked pretty. I mean I think, I mean he

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might be a little disappointed in myself. I thought he

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fought a good fight. I mean, sometimes you know you're

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not going to knock a guy out. Matthew Jermaine came

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to uh to go the distance and do the best

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he could, and he did survive the twelve rounds. I

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think a lot of people watching that fight, like I did,

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saw him get dropped in the second round and you're like, Okay,

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this is going to be a quick night at the

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office for Dalton Smith. He's gonna get him out of

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there and move on to the world title fight. But

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to Jermaine's credit, he stayed in the fight. You know,

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he was losing every single round. You know, in the end,

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it was like two judges had a one to nineteen

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t one oh five. One judge had a one seventeen

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twente oh seven, which I thought was pretty generous if

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you asked me. The only reason for the one nineteen

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one oh five why it wasn't a clean shutout in

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terms of the scoring at one twenty was because Dalton

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Smith lost a point for a low blow in the

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twelfth round, which was actually a legitimate deduction by the referee,

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Victor Laughlin. But he knocked him down in the second round,

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he knocked him down in the eleventh round, he dropped

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him again in the twelfth round, and Jermaine just kept

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getting up. He took a lot of punishment, and you

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know what, for Dalton Smith was probably a good thing.

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He hasn't been the most active guy, gets in twelve

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solid where he wasn't in any particular danger. He now

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knows he is the mandatory that will probably be the

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next fight later this year. Whether you know, I couldn't

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tell you the exact date. But he's now in the

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position to be the next challenger for Alberto Playo. When

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that mandatory comes due, player will have an interim fight

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where we'll talk about that in a few minutes. Yea,

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So Player will fight again. So if Playo loses, it

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won't matter because Dalton Smith will be the mandatory for

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the winner of that fight. So this was a This

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was an important fight for him because he got in

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some quality rounds. Even if he probably would have liked

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the earlier stop, you know, get the stoppage because he

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had him on the floor, but you know, he goes,

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goes the route. He does it in front of the

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home crowd in Sheffield, England. And look, Dalton Smith's a

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very very solid fighter. I don't think he's I'm not don't.

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I don't want to put this the wrong way. I

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I like him as a fighter. I've watched him fighting

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many times since he's being featured on these Mattroum cards.

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He's got good skills, he's got a little bit of

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tenacity in him. He you know, he's got a little

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bit of a mean streak in there. Scored seen him

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to score some nice, nice knockouts. How he does with

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a more diverse and well rounded fighter at one hundred

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and forty, I'm not sure yet, but we'll find out.

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Because Pueo may not be a superstar, but he's a

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handful because he's got some skills and a little bit

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of pop and it seems like he's got a pretty

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decent chin. So we'll see if he can if he

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wins and moves on to that fight. But Dalton Smith,

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he's going to get the chance, whoever it's against, and

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that's all you can ask for.

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Speaker 1: I always defer to our buddy, David Payne, the Boxing Writer,

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got his own site, The Boxing Writer dot co dot UK.

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David and I have been corresponding. We've had him on

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the podcast et cetera for the better part of about

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seven years. I said on Saturday, Hey, what do we

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think about Dalton Smith? Here? Is this guy just kind

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of in the way, et cetera, et cetera. He says

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it should be easy and he goes by the way.

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I'm not a big fan of Dalton Smith for what

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it's worth, so okay, and maybe that's maybe that's kind

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of the perception over in the UK that there are

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some fans of his, but there's some others that want

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to see more.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe that's always the way it is with anything fine.

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Speaker 1: Out soon enough, they're going to have much more interest

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obviously in Connor Binn and Chris Youu Bank Junior coming

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up than anything Dalton Smith was going to do in

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that fight. All right, So on the co feature, Josh

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Warrington did return after saying he was retired just a

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few months ago and laying the boxing gloves in the

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ring as you detailed, and as we talked about, right,

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so he was back. He won his fight over Asad

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A Sieve Cohn by easy decision. What do we make

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of this? And and obviously Warrington will look to get

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back in the picture with contenders at at one point thirty.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, as you mentioned, he did come out of

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his brief, ever so brief retirement that that he that

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he had after he had lost the fight to Anthony Casace.

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That was back in September, so not a very long

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layoff at all. But the big thing for Warrington is

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he he had lost three fights in a row, two

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by uh well, two by by well, let's go back.

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He lost the majority decision and his featherweight title to

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Luis Alberta Lopez and he got knocked out by Lee

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Wood in the seventh round of a fight. He was

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otherwise ahead on all three score cards, and then he

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had the really pretty poor performance if he asked me

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and most anybody against Casace. So he lost three fights

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in a row, and he had retired and he decided, OK,

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I'm going to give this another go. He had moved

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up two one hundred and thirty pounds for the Kasachi fight,

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so this fight was at juir Lightwaight, and he decided,

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I mean, look, I made that announcement of my retirement.

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It was a little rash. Maybe it was I didn't

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really spend some time thinking about it. But he had

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gone back in the gym. Maybe he looked at the

473
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,559
tape and was like, I'm going to try and give

474
00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,000
it another go. Now. He didn't match him with anybody.

475
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,599
That was pretty difficult, and a Khan who was coming

476
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,119
off of a loss to Michael Conlin, who also needed

477
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,839
a very desperately needed a get well win. He got that,

478
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,960
and anyway, but Warrington, look as Warrington fights go, I

479
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,640
actually thought he looked decent in the fight. I mean,

480
00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:46,880
you know, there's still he's not what he was when

481
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,400
he was at his absolute peak. But who of us

482
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,119
are right? He scored a knockdown in the sixth round.

483
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,640
It looked like it was a little bit like behind

484
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,160
the head, but that was I think the other guy

485
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,200
kind of leaned into the shot. But anyway, in the

486
00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:00,839
end he got in the ten rounds sport a knockdown.

487
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,119
He won ninety nine eighty nine, ninety nine, ninety ninety seven,

488
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,200
ninety one. I mean it was a clear cut victory.

489
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,440
You know, at worst it was seven to three plus

490
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,880
the knockdown. He also had a point deducted for losing

491
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,640
his gum shield at one point or that was con

492
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,319
who lost the point. Besides the knockdown, he also had

493
00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:22,000
gotten docked that point by the referee Mark Lisn for

494
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,359
having his mouthpiece come out multiple times. In any event,

495
00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:29,160
I'm not the interesting thing is, so Warrington gets to win, okay,

496
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,279
he's back in the in the positive side of the ledger.

497
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,440
I just don't know where it leads to. What is

498
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,240
what is the fight for him? It's not a rematch

499
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,960
with Lee would because Lee Wood is fighting Casace. That

500
00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:42,640
fight's coming up, so you know, don't find something for him.

501
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,799
I'm just not sure exactly at what level and the

502
00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:49,359
magnitude of the match, but he's certainly at the worst

503
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,240
case scenario. He's in the picture, I guess for anybody

504
00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:54,920
at all that needs There you go, he's a named opponent.

505
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 3: There you go.

506
00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: He's now a named opponent if he wants to continue

507
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on and listen, being a named opponent means you get

508
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an opportunity and you also get a chance to make

509
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:02,960
it decent.

510
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,519
Speaker 1: There you go, and you get a decent check for

511
00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:07,279
me and that. So let's see if that's the future

512
00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:11,039
for Warrington. Out of that, did we mention retirement with

513
00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:14,160
Josh Warrington? I so one more fight to cover, and

514
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:21,119
that is Sergey Covlev, the former three time unified light

515
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,039
heavyweight champ, former unified light heavyweight champ. Right, he was

516
00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:28,640
back in action in Russia on Saturday afternoon and defeated

517
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,640
somebody or Friday, I'm sorry, on Friday afternoon US time,

518
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Friday night in the in the uh in what is

519
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:41,079
it sheelle Binsk, Russia and defeated someone named Arthur Mann.

520
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,079
Speaker 3: I don't know who that is.

521
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,799
Speaker 1: You'll you'll enlighten us more in a cruiserweight a bout

522
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,519
and more importantly, it says on my rundown, is this it?

523
00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:49,839
Is it?

524
00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:50,079
Speaker 3: Ever?

525
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: It for these guys? Is it it? I mean for Covid,

526
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,759
I actually probably think it is. I mean, you never

527
00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:57,960
know for sure. Listen if you go. First of all,

528
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,079
colev at one time was on high on the pound

529
00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:04,799
for poundless. He was a three time light heavyweight title holder.

530
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,079
More significantly, he had unified three of the titles and

531
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,000
was involved in some very very big fights. He was

532
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,440
a staple of HBO. Donna Stevenson ducked him blatantly, in

533
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,599
my opinion, and if you go and take a look

534
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:20,480
at the ledger, the guy knocked out John Pascal twice

535
00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:23,400
when Pascal was in his prime. He's got a shutout

536
00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,920
victory against Bernard Hopkins in a unification fight. Bernard was

537
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,200
an old man at that time, but a lot of

538
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,240
people gave Bernard a chance out box this man. You know,

539
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:35,079
he has went to the UK, went to Wales, to

540
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,559
Nathan Cleverly's hometown when Nathan Cleverly was undefeated, and absolutely

541
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:43,279
destroyed him to win his first world title at light heavyweight.

542
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,640
That was way back in twenty thirteen. But he had

543
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,160
a distinguished career for many years, and then he had

544
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,000
the two big fights against andre Ward. The first fight

545
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,640
he lost the unanimous decision, but myself and many many

546
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,519
others thought that he did not get the right call

547
00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:58,519
in that fight that he deserved to win, and in

548
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,279
the rematch andre Ward stopped him, perhaps with a little

549
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,319
bit of a low blowhelp in the situation. But ever

550
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,240
since then, even though he won another belt, it's been

551
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,599
sort of a downward spiral for him. He had the

552
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,839
loss against a leader Alvarez. He came back and won

553
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,400
the rematch to regain the WBO title. He scored his

554
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:19,039
last like serious win against Anthony Yard. That was in

555
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,720
twenty nineteen. That was a few months setting up the

556
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,960
big fight with him in Canelo Alvarez, where he actually

557
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:28,200
held his own and did well in that fight until

558
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,319
the very end when Canelo scored a Gargantuaan knockout in

559
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,039
the eleventh round, and ever since then it has been

560
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,039
kind of downhill. He came back a couple of years

561
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,759
later he won a non descript cruiserweight fight and then

562
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,880
in the Saudi Arabia card back in May of last year.

563
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:46,920
This was when Tyson Fury and Usik had their first fight.

564
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,440
He got on that card because he and Usik shared

565
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,319
the same manager. And he looked absolutely, downright horrendous against

566
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,759
Robin Safar and lost a lopsided decision, and you're like,

567
00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,759
this has to be the end. But eleven months later

568
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:02,400
he comes back, he announced this is gonna be my

569
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,599
farewell fight. He fought in his hometown of Cellibin's, Russia,

570
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,599
where he hadn't fought since the Yard fight in twenty nineteen.

571
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,319
And you said, who's Arthur Man. Arthur Mann was a

572
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,640
decent opponent. Actually, I was kind of surprised he fought

573
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,960
that level of a guy. What was supposed to be,

574
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,680
you know, the farewell fight. Arthur Man, who had a

575
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,519
pretty decent record twenty two and four. He'd been stopped

576
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:25,720
three times. But again he had challenged for a cruiserweight

577
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:29,000
title against Myris Bradus back you know a few years ago. Yeah,

578
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,720
he got stopped on the early side of that. That

579
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,079
was four or five years ago. But he's fought some

580
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,920
good opponents and cove Lev and I look so bad,

581
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,119
but Covilev did a heck of a job in this fight.

582
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,000
He you know, if you're gonna go out. This is

583
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,720
a good way to hang up, hang up the gloves,

584
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,319
you know. He he's dropped him in the second round,

585
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,119
looked like he was in to get it out of

586
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,400
there early two. Man's credit came back a little bit,

587
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,200
made a little bit of a fight. But cove Lev,

588
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,440
on my opinion, was always sort of in charge and

589
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,640
taking care of the business. And in the end, after

590
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,559
he dropped him again in the seventh round, Man got

591
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:02,680
up at the corner, was like, that's enough and he

592
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:04,440
was bleeding. He had a bad cut over his eye.

593
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,799
Anyway to stop the fight, and uh, covid was able

594
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,200
to celebrate what's supposed to be, uh, the end of

595
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,839
what was been what is supposed to.

596
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: Be the end.

597
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: But you would think, uh, do these guys ever retire,

598
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,720
So kudos to covid Lev, especially if this is it.

599
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I think about it. But when you take

600
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,319
a look at what's out there and and and what

601
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,680
he accomplished, and in the way he accomplished accomplished it,

602
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,279
he's got a very very very strong case to be

603
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:39,920
in the Hall of Fame.

604
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: You wouldn't know.

605
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: By all accounts, he should have got the first win

606
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,480
against Ward, who was a no doubt about it. First

607
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,759
out Hall of Fame or win against Covidlev or a

608
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:50,400
loss against covial Lev. Uh. He has all those wins

609
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,160
I just mentioned against Bernard Hopkins. Uh, you know the

610
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,880
two knockouts on John Pascal's turf in Montreal. I mean,

611
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,000
the guy has beaten a lot of good fighters. Even

612
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:04,799
there is a case case. All right. He was a

613
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,000
scary dude. He was dominating for US several years. Uh,

614
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,960
and on that pound for bound list, and nobody wanted

615
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,599
to fight the guy. He was a wrecking machine, all right.

616
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: So there you go on all of the recaps, full

617
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,839
recaps back and forth from Europe to the US, back

618
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,000
to Europe, et cetera. Gave you lots of that all

619
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:24,000
right news, and I was very interested. Sunday is not

620
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,599
usually a big news day, but I was right on

621
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,839
my ray Field substack.

622
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: I was right on the fight freak to night substock,

623
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:31,599
late Saturday night, late.

624
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: Saturday night, Sunday, I got the alert and I read

625
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,480
up and went, okay, wait a minute, we got a

626
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:37,359
July card.

627
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: Now that not only.

628
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,279
Speaker 1: Is going to have Edgar Berlanga and Hams of Shiraz,

629
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:46,640
but now Shakur Stevenson and William Zapada are on this

630
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,799
as well as a couple of other entries.

631
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:51,279
Speaker 2: Mixing up your time. That the Zapeida and Shakor fight

632
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,359
was announced a few days ago as being on this card,

633
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,680
it was the disclosure of the rest of the fight.

634
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,960
Say look is making this a Ring MAGA branded card,

635
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:05,480
and so he uses his ring magazine website publication to

636
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,759
announce the news that he wants to announce, and so

637
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,039
they put out on the Ring magazine that this was

638
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:13,640
the card. So in addition to the Chaquor fight against

639
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:15,799
against the Payda, which is a good fight, we all

640
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,559
know that it's the manatory we've been expecting it. That's

641
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:20,920
a done deal. The main event of this card will

642
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,119
be Edgar Berlanga against Shiraz who's moving up to super midweight.

643
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,759
We talked about it in the previous show coming off

644
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,599
the draw that he didn't deserve against a Damis for

645
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,880
the WBC Midleway title, but also him changing trainers to

646
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,640
work with Andy Lee. So Edgar Berlanga and Sharaz will

647
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,440
hook up in this main event. It will be a

648
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:42,160
WBC super middleweight title eliminator. And then you've got Chaquor

649
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,759
against the Paida and then, oh, by the way, they

650
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,279
added two other highly interesting fights. You got Alberta Pueo.

651
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,240
I mentioned earlier how when he's gonna be the champion,

652
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,000
that's going to have to make a mandatory against Dalton Smith.

653
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,839
But if he loses this fight against Sabril Mattias, the

654
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,880
former IBF title holder, whoever wins that fight's going to

655
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,039
Harrott Dalton Smith. But Peyo is fighting Matist. That's a

656
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:05,519
fight that kind of comes out of the blue. But

657
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:07,039
it shows you that Turkey is willing to go to

658
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,920
do some work again with PBC and vice versa, because

659
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,799
Pueo is a PBC fighter, Mattias is with his Puerto

660
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Rican promoter. But Dey'll fight and on this card for

661
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,920
the WBC Junior Walter whit title. It will take place,

662
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,720
by the way, in New York City. They did not

663
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,160
announce a location. I asked Turkey about that on Sunday.

664
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:25,960
He said they were still figuring that out. But if

665
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,480
you take a look at some of the major venues

666
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,160
in New York, places like the Barclay Center and Madison

667
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,920
Square Garden, seems to me there otherwise occupied it. This moment.

668
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,200
So I think they're gonna They're not gonna do another

669
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,000
fight in Times Square, but maybe they'll find some other

670
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:41,599
interesting sort of location to do a fight. And then

671
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,000
the fourth fight is also an intriguing fight. It's a

672
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,720
light heavyweight fight between David Morrell, another PBC fighter who

673
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:52,119
was coming off of the exciting fight but a decision

674
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,559
loss against David Benavitez that was back early in February,

675
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,880
and he's taken on Imam Katiev, who is a fighter

676
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,079
a lot of people may not have heard about. A

677
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,839
mom Caadio is a danger's dude. He's a fast rising fighter.

678
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,599
He's thirty years old. I did put him on my

679
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,079
prospect list. That's a I made an exception because he

680
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:11,079
he had just turned thirty. But he's a bad boy.

681
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,039
He was a Russian Olympic medalist, ron's medal winner in

682
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:18,119
the in the Olympics and he now based out of Australia.

683
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:20,200
He signed with I the Tiger. You know, some of

684
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,759
his recent fights have been on ESPN Plus. He's a

685
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,279
dangers dude. This is a in my mind, this is

686
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:28,799
a really interesting matchup. So that's your four fights, and

687
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,319
they're going to make another big show out of it,

688
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:32,359
I asked Turkey. Also, by the way, is this going

689
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,720
to be Dizonne? Is it going to be his own

690
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:34,319
pay per view?

691
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: Oh?

692
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:36,599
Speaker 3: Oh, the eternal question.

693
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: Yes, go ahead, he said, that's up to the Zone

694
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,640
to determine that. But the interesting thing about it is

695
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,759
it's going to mean two major shows in New York City.

696
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,519
I'm back to back days because on July eleventh at

697
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,839
Madison Square Garden you have the Trilogy Fight with Katie

698
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,799
Taylor and Amanda Toronto headlining at the Garden on a

699
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,799
free card on Netflix and all women's card which filled

700
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,119
up with plenty of good women's matchups. And then the

701
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,079
following h the following day, on the Saturday, on July twelfth,

702
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:09,079
will be this card with Berlanga Or and Zepaida. So

703
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,400
it's a boxing boxing festival in New York. You know,

704
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,720
it's been a long time. It's been a while since

705
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,799
there's been two major cards back to back nights. There's

706
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:21,599
been a couple of times. I remember one time there

707
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:23,799
was a big show at Barclay Center on the same

708
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,880
night that there was an HBO card at Madison Square

709
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Garden Theater that actually Sergey Kovlev was in the main

710
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,160
event on but it's it's not normal these days for

711
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:33,720
there to be you'd think in New York is such

712
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,000
a big market, such a big city, but the boxing landscape,

713
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,039
the fan base is is uh, you know, they don't

714
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:42,079
like to do that. So this makes it interesting, and

715
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,480
the two major shows in back to back days.

716
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: Especially if you're trying to charge pay perviews on both

717
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,200
of them, which in this case it's not as you

718
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,960
just explain, uh, and trying to figure all that out.

719
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,039
Speaker 2: So I'm talking about I'm talking about the tickets forget

720
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:53,440
about paper.

721
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about out yeah, the for the second one,

722
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,839
because as you mentioned, the gardens taken up, and what

723
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,359
would the venue be for this one, because that's a

724
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:09,799
I mean, there's Berlina's got a following obviously in New York. Again,

725
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,680
Shakur has been relevant on ESPN, and you've got one

726
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,039
more no tool promotionally as well.

727
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll get to that a second. The thing about

728
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,000
it is, it's forget about paper viewer. Otherwise, if if

729
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,160
you want people to come out to the venue, it's hard.

730
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,720
If you're putting on a cart at the garden on

731
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,839
Friday night and you're charging money for tickets, and then

732
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,440
you're putting on another card on Saturday. People might want

733
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,279
to go to both, but it becomes a cost situation

734
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,240
everybody can afford, and boxing tickets aren't exactly cheap these

735
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,880
days for the most part. And in terms of drawing

736
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,519
a crowd, Berlin is a New York Puerto Rican. Chakur

737
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,240
may not be from New York, but he's from Newark,

738
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:43,000
which is, you know, a ten minute train ride from

739
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:46,559
from Penn Station, you know, into Newark, easy to get

740
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:50,519
to and from. You have a Surbril Mattias who is

741
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,119
a Puerto Rican fighter. You have Alberto Player is Dominican.

742
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,440
There's a very large poor Dominican population in New York.

743
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,519
Kativa is a Russian. There's obviously a big Russian population

744
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,200
in New York. And David Morrell is Cuban. There's a

745
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,240
decent Cuban population in New York also, so you know,

746
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:09,320
it should draw you know, from that group. And they're

747
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,960
good fights, that's the main thing. I mean, even if

748
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,280
you're none of those nationalities, they're all interesting matchups for

749
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,039
a variety of different reasons. You mentioned about you Cors Stevenson.

750
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,920
So there's been a lot of conversation when he was

751
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,559
a free agent from Top Rank when his contract ended

752
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,599
and he ultimately signed with Matchroom Boxing and Eddie Hearn.

753
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,559
It was a two fight contract. Remember he was supposed

754
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,800
to fight Floyd Schofield on the Saudi Araby card. Scofield

755
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,239
got ill during fight weekend Withdrew and he ended up

756
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,000
fighting and knocking out Josh Padley. It turns out that's

757
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:38,840
going to be the only fight on this contract with

758
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,679
Mattrim because my understanding is that they had mutual ability

759
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,280
to get out of the contract that they wanted to.

760
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:48,360
Shakur apparently has opted out. He is no longer with

761
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,880
Matchroom Boxing and his manager. He's been with manager James

762
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,559
Prince for his whole career, and James has made a

763
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:59,239
deal and hired Lou de Bella to be as a

764
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,760
one off Chakor's promoter for this fight. So they'll pay

765
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,880
Lou a fee he'll probably make, I know, not probably.

766
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,559
I'm sure he'll make a lot less than what Eddie

767
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:10,679
would have been entitled to make as the actual contract promoter.

768
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,440
But they hired de Bella for a fee basically to

769
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,360
have his back to do all the stuff you got

770
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,159
to do, make sure, you know, you keep an eye

771
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,000
on on the other side, make sure that you deal

772
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,320
with the commission, make sure that things are appropriate, whether

773
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,559
it's whatever, the issues that come up. He's got his

774
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:27,599
staff and lewis very experienced, especially in New York where

775
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,199
he's based out of his team. His staff, they know

776
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,039
that commission inside and out, so they'll run interference and

777
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:35,360
obviously if you need a mouthpiece, you know, De Bella

778
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,320
is an excellent guy that will talk to the press.

779
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,480
So he's basically on board to just help the cause

780
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:43,840
and see what's up. And for Shakur, you know, people

781
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,079
are like, well he's free, you know whatever. I'm like, well,

782
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:47,800
he only had a two five deal. He had just

783
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,800
come out into free agency from a long contract with

784
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,480
Top Rank, and it actually seems like a pretty good

785
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,679
move for him because now he's going to get paid

786
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,000
multimillions of dollars for this fight against the PATA. He

787
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:01,960
doesn't have to share a percent with match Room. He'll

788
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:03,960
paid the Bella a fee that will be obviously a

789
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,760
lot less than what Mattrim would have been able to claim,

790
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,679
and he's a free agent when the fight's over. Yeah,

791
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,599
so he maintains that ability to work with whoever he wants, so,

792
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,760
you know, and by the way, it's not like Eddie

793
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,159
did a bad job for him. I mean, Eddie is

794
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,960
a good promoter and it's just unfortunate that the opponent

795
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:21,760
in scofiall dropped out and that was on a Sauty

796
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,039
cart anyway, and there you go. I don't think it's

797
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:28,320
really got to do frankly, between any issues between Kor

798
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,000
Stevenson and Eddie Hearn. I think it really is more

799
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,480
between whatever the back and forth has been in recent

800
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,199
weeks or months between Eddie Hurt and Turkey y'all. Sheic

801
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,159
to be quite honest. But regardless, Shakor got himself a

802
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,880
you know, a fight. They didn't have to go to

803
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,800
a purse bid and it's done a big show and

804
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,239
he's gonna get paid a ton of money. Go good

805
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,679
for him, and it's a good bunch of other fights

806
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:48,679
on the show also.

807
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: And again we should point out too, he turned down

808
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:54,960
a multi fight, multi million dollar deal to stay with

809
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,960
Top Rank, to basically go out and try to find

810
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,639
better fights, get in bed with Turkey al Chic and

811
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:03,760
the Saudi card which he was on earlier this year,

812
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,960
and as you mentioned, if he wins this fight with Supaida,

813
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,719
he's got serious leverage now on whatever the next.

814
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: Thing is after that very true day tune.

815
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,119
Speaker 1: Okay, as we put our podcast to bed previewing Thursday

816
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:18,719
night into Friday, I get up Friday morning, I'm doing

817
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,159
some different stuff and lo and behold on my social

818
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,679
media there's a Jake Paul post I'm back.

819
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,159
Speaker 2: I'm back in June.

820
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,119
Speaker 1: As it turns out, he's fighting on the Twins My

821
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:33,360
Twins Riley and Abbey's seventeenth birthday June twenty eighth.

822
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: He will return.

823
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: And we can't say that this name is unexpected because

824
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,320
Rayphiel we were talking about this last summer about ten

825
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,280
months ago that Julio Sayzar Chavez Junior, can I say it?

826
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,920
I Am going to say it, A bloated I was

827
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,840
there in person, a bloated Jay C. C Junior was

828
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,559
fighting on the undercard of the Jake Paul Mike Perry fight,

829
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:58,360
and the talk, the buzz was this could be a

830
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,840
future opponent after the ty and fight for Jake Paul. Well,

831
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,280
Lo and behold, Julio saysar Chavez Junior, is I see

832
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,559
you snickering? Is the opponent for June the twenty eighth.

833
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:11,920
All right, what do we make of this? And also

834
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,519
there's an intriguing co feature on this as well, and

835
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:18,519
we've been talking about Zerdo Ramirez and his next bout.

836
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:19,639
Speaker 3: He's in the co feature.

837
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,079
Speaker 1: But what about this announcement and what is your reaction

838
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:24,880
that it's Julio saysar Chavez Junior and Jake Paul.

839
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,639
Speaker 2: You know, and anybody who's listened to this podcast are

840
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:33,159
read my material that I've I've been nice to Jake Paul.

841
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:36,360
I've I've enjoyed the events. I've given him props. I've

842
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,800
not talked down about him or bad about him or anything.

843
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,800
I just it is what it is. I've never had

844
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,760
a problem with it. This one rubs me the wrong way.

845
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,760
Why because Chavez, Yes, he's not a former MMA fighter.

846
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:54,239
He's not a BKFC fighter. He's not a basketball player

847
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:57,679
that type of thing. He is not a fighter who's

848
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,000
been retired for twenty years and coming out of retirement

849
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,840
who was you know, had had sciatica problems and other issues.

850
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:09,079
You know, he's a quote unquote real boxer. The problem

851
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:11,760
is he hasn't really been a quote unquote real boxer

852
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,880
for quite a while right, and he was at his

853
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:19,559
best twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. It's literally been

854
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,280
like a decade since he's been He's got the name

855
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:26,119
because his father is a legend and Julio Caesar Chavez Senior.

856
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:32,320
But he's best known Chavs for ped issues, for missing

857
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,599
weight issues, for getting arrested, getting in trouble, missing weight,

858
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,239
being basically having a lot of problems, and I don't wish.

859
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:43,920
And the thing about it is, if you ever just

860
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,239
like hang out with Julio Caesar Chavis jingor I mean

861
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,480
not that I've lung out with him, but I've met

862
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:49,719
him many times. I've been around in a bunch when

863
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,199
I covered a lot of his fights when he was

864
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,800
at the top level. He's actually a pretty nice guy,

865
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,599
that's the thing. So you kind of feel bad. He's

866
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,880
had a lot of issues with mental health problems and

867
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,480
addiction issues like his father had. Always bad on Julio Jinger,

868
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,079
but he's also shown a propensity when the tough gets

869
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:07,639
going to just quit in the ring. He's outright quit

870
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,280
on a number of occasions in his fights. So this

871
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:14,400
was not Jake Paul's plan. By the way, they had

872
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,039
him on that card as like a possibility. This is

873
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,480
really planned C. Plan A was to try to do

874
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,719
the Canelo fight. They were way down the road on

875
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,960
that and Canelo shifted up at the last minute and

876
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,239
went with the deal with Turkey, So then they switched

877
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,920
to Plan B. That was an exhibition against Tank Davis.

878
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:32,079
But when Tank Davis got the gift of the draw

879
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,199
against Lamont Roach, he exercised his right to the immediate rematch,

880
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,280
so that again was Jake Paul with no fight, And

881
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,599
so you go to Plan C and he picks up

882
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,760
Julio Sayzar Chavez Junior, who hasn't fought for a while,

883
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,119
hasn't looked particularly good for several years, and that's what

884
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,079
this is going to be. So and unlike the Tyson fight,

885
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:55,320
which was free on Netflix to subscribers, which is obviously

886
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,320
a mega mega event for a lot of different reasons,

887
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,639
this is a paper you fight at the Honda Center

888
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,119
in anahein California. So the charge premium money for a

889
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,679
fight that, yeah, it's against a quote unquote real boxer,

890
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,480
but I'm just not into this one, to be quite honest. Now,

891
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:11,000
the saving grace of it is the co feature, right

892
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:12,320
we'll get to the feature in a second.

893
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,199
Speaker 1: Here's the here, as we continue to go over this

894
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,960
and keep track of this and keep scoring, here's where

895
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,280
I come down on what you just said. I'll elaborate

896
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,840
on this avenue. You went two or three avenues if

897
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,079
you are legitimately seriously trying to move up the ranks

898
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,639
of cruiserweight and beyond. And then remember he fought it

899
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,239
much heavier against Mike Tyson than cruiserweight, So now he's

900
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,679
gonna move back down?

901
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: Is that what this is gonna be?

902
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: Contact weight? It's a ten round fight, regular rules, regular gloves,

903
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,800
and it's a two hundred pound maximile, which is the

904
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,519
cruiser weight limit.

905
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: But the whole idea of he's gonna move up the

906
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,760
ranks of cruiserweight and get a title shot, and blah

907
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,840
blah blah blah blah. And we saw him fight a

908
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,280
couple of people at cruiserweight that were complete knockovers. All right,

909
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,239
that's out the window. It's obvious. We're gonna make every

910
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,000
quick buck we can make. However we can make it.

911
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,079
The silliness factor. You can't take it serious that he

912
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,639
is serious about being a boxing world champion. If these

913
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,639
are the choices you keep making. I'm gonna fight Mike

914
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:20,480
Tyson and then I'm gonna come back seven eight months

915
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:24,320
later and fight Julio Saesar Chavez Junior, who's fighting thirty pounds,

916
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,519
thirty five pounds or more over the fight weight where

917
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:29,239
he was last relevant.

918
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,519
Speaker 2: I mean Chavez was a title holder at one hundred

919
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:34,760
and sixty pounds, that's right, and he only got it

920
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,559
because they forced Sergio Martinez to give up the title.

921
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,599
If you want to go back there, actually find out

922
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:41,559
the reasons why so it occurred.

923
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: If if we're back to the farce fights of MMA

924
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,960
guys that don't have boxing experience or over the hill

925
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:51,320
this or whatever. I guess that's fine, public buyer, beware

926
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,000
there will be Here's here's the truth. All I'm saying

927
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:57,719
one more time is stop it with take me seriously

928
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,679
as a contender or a championship can because time and

929
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,079
again you're doing this.

930
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,599
Speaker 2: It's still actually as sick as it is and I'm

931
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,239
not I agree with you, okay, but just to be clear,

932
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,800
it is a step up from what he has been fighting,

933
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,480
but it's still kind of unfortunate. The last time. Let

934
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:18,079
me let me go through this for a quick second.

935
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,159
They're not the belabored forever. But I need to go

936
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,559
through this for a minute. The last time that Chavez

937
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:26,360
Junior was in a fight that was not only relevant

938
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,360
but where he also looked good was way back in

939
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,599
June of twenty twelve. DJ, please do the math. My

940
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,679
recollection says that would be ago, right, Okay, So that

941
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,719
was on the night where he stopped Andy Lee, who

942
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,000
was a top contender in the middleweight division at that time.

943
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:44,480
But now we're talking about as a trainer for guys

944
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:48,760
like Ben Whittaker and and now also with the Hamsi Shiraz.

945
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,960
But anyway, so he stops Andy Lee on that night,

946
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,800
he retains the BBC title. He's never had a big

947
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:57,639
fight where he looked good and won since then. His

948
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,079
next fight, he lost every single round against Sergio Martinez

949
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:03,920
other than about ten seconds when he scored a knockdown

950
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,039
in the twelfth round. He had the two fights with

951
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,800
Brian Vera where he didn't make the weight in one

952
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,800
of them and was able to win the rematch, but

953
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,000
it was not exactly against a top opponent. He absolutely

954
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:17,119
quit like a dog against Andre fan Far in the

955
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:19,239
next fight, and then he fought a bunch of you know,

956
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,000
lesser guys. Two guys that were lesser guys that he beat.

957
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,320
Then he lost every single round against Canelo Alvarez one

958
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,360
hundred and twenty to one, a weight on all three cards,

959
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,119
was not competitive for one second time that he did

960
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,840
has managed to survive because he ran and Kenello couldn't

961
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,719
land the big shot and he forced that fight was

962
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,039
over Canelos weight. At that time he was still fighting

963
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:41,320
at middleweight. They forced that at sixty four. The only

964
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,880
drama of that was at the weigh in was whether

965
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,280
he's going to make the weight, because that's when they

966
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,159
still did real way ins and not the show showcase

967
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,119
bullshit wayans. And then from there he was off for

968
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:53,320
a while, off for two years, come back, fought to Shmir,

969
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,280
lost that won that fight, quit against Danny Jacobs who

970
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,000
stopped him because he quit in the corner. Won another,

971
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,639
lost the next fight against a nobody, came back one

972
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:05,960
another fight against a nobody, lost to Anderson Silva in

973
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,559
twenty twenty one, got dominated in that fight twenty which

974
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:11,880
Jake Paul basically beat easily when they fought, and then

975
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,599
he fought two more fights in his last two bouts

976
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,320
one in twenty twenty one, didn't fight again until twenty

977
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,599
twenty four. That was the fight you were at against

978
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,599
the MMA fighter in his second pro boxing match, the

979
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:26,079
former UFC fighter Uriah Hall and a six rounder where

980
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:28,199
he won. But he looked like crap in that fight. Now,

981
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,719
so this is where we're at, where now thirteen years

982
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,599
post Chavez his last fight, and on top of that,

983
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,599
we are forty almost forty pounds above where he was

984
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:42,159
at his best. So is it a real guy relative

985
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,199
to the guys that Jake has been fighting who are

986
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,000
actual boxers. Yes, but that doesn't make.

987
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: It something that But we know, we know that Jake's

988
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,039
gonna fill the building regardless of whatever the rest of

989
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:55,440
the card was. He's gonna fill the building. All I

990
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:57,840
am saying one more time, we will have some interest

991
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,320
in this, but just stop it with that to be

992
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,440
taken seriously as a cruiserweight contender, as a cruiserweight championship

993
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,079
level fighter, when this is what you keep coming up with,

994
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:11,239
if if this was some kind and I know why

995
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,079
from a marketing standpoint, in selling tickets, you want to

996
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:16,119
try to sell tickets because this is the Hall of

997
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,800
Famer Sun that's the angle.

998
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: So I'm, like I said, I'm not mad about the match,

999
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,559
but I just I don't like the hypocrisy like you're

1000
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:25,239
talking about. And the thing is when he made his

1001
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,239
quotes that he put out when they announced the fight

1002
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,639
about how you know that he just defeated the baddest

1003
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,199
man on the planet. You know, you beat a Tyson

1004
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,360
who is the badest man on the planet thirty years ago,

1005
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,599
number one, number two. You know he's taken on the

1006
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,679
guy that Canelo couldn't finish. Yeah, the guy that Canelo

1007
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,519
won in twelve out of twelve rounds against seven years ago.

1008
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,079
I was gonna say almost a decade ago, you know, yes,

1009
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,360
thirty five pounds less or whatever it was, So give

1010
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,960
me a break. Anyway, the good thing about this card

1011
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,480
is the co feature, and we'll see what else they

1012
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,400
add to the card. And you know, to Jake Paul's credit,

1013
00:46:56,599 --> 00:46:59,440
they've usually actually done pretty good undercard. Yes, we'll see

1014
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,800
what else say on besides this fight, that's the Zerto Ramirez.

1015
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,119
I know everybody thinks that down the road at the

1016
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,400
end of this year, maybe he'll fight a further unification

1017
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,480
against Jaio patayef Obataya you know, gets past his next

1018
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,639
fight that's coming up in a few weeks, but he's

1019
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,000
taken on a dangerous guy, the Ko Doctor, who's got

1020
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:19,239
a great nickname, and that's Janiel Dordegos, the Cuban fighter,

1021
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,079
who is a former two time cruiserweight title holder, who

1022
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:25,679
is a tremendous puncher. He did take some step aside

1023
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,440
in a recent fight to stand down from messing up

1024
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,440
the fight that that Zerto had against Chris Bilm. Smith

1025
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,079
allowed them to unify with the promise that he would

1026
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,559
get the shot against the winner. And now he's cashing

1027
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:40,519
in and he's getting the shot against the winner. So

1028
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,440
that's the co feature. I actually had reported a while

1029
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000
ago that that fight was ear mark for June twenty eighth.

1030
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:47,360
I didn't know at the time that it was going

1031
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,760
to be on a card that Jake Paul against Chavez

1032
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,440
Junior was going to be the main event. But this

1033
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,199
fight has been sort of in the works and been

1034
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,760
you know, ear marked for that slot for the last

1035
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,960
bit ever, you know, for the last probably a month

1036
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,519
or so at least. So that's a good fight because

1037
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,280
that's Zerdo in a real fight against a tremendous puncher,

1038
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:07,960
I look at it like this. We know that Turtle

1039
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,119
could take a shot at Superman aweight. We saw what

1040
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:12,199
he could do to take a shot against guys who

1041
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,800
are solid at light heavyweight, and now we're gonna find out,

1042
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,159
I think, for real, if he can take a shot

1043
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,239
as a cruiser weight. Because the guys he's fought a cruiserweight,

1044
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,840
Bill Smith and Gomarian, I mean they're not like, they're

1045
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,519
not bad punchers, but they're not the dynamic kind of

1046
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:28,159
puncher of a Dordiko. So that's an interesting fight to me.

1047
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:29,639
All right, good enough.

1048
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:30,679
Speaker 3: One other quick news item.

1049
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: Then we got some nostalgia for Floyd Mayweather and back

1050
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,199
to Canelo, not against each other, but stay tuned.

1051
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: That's coming in just a second. The announcement that and you,

1052
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,000
I know you're high on this guy.

1053
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: Junto Nakatani, the WBC's bantamweight champion, is now going to

1054
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:49,599
fight in a unification about with his countryman Ryosuki Nashida.

1055
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,159
This is coming in June. This will be in Tokyo.

1056
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,679
Give me something on this real quick. They made the announcement.

1057
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, tremendous matchup. I mean, I know Nakatani and

1058
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,280
a lot of people are waiting to see him fight

1059
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,960
against in a way, and hopefully that will happen, you know,

1060
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,159
sometime in the early part of next year, when when

1061
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,480
finally not only when in a way you know whether

1062
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,159
he I don't know when he's going to move up,

1063
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:13,119
but hopefully what happens before that, because right now, in

1064
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:15,800
a way, is the champ at one hundred and twenty

1065
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,760
two and you got Nakatani who holds a WBC title

1066
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,760
at one hundred and eighteen. That's a mega fight in Japan.

1067
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,960
We've talked about it. The top ranked people and the

1068
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,920
people that work with them in Japan have talked about

1069
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,159
making this match, doing it at the Tokyo don't. But

1070
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,679
they're not going to just sit around and wait for

1071
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,079
that fight. Nakatani is going to do his thing in

1072
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:33,679
Away's got his year planned out. But if they can

1073
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:35,599
all get through it, hopefully we'll see at the beginning

1074
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,920
of next year. But in the meantime, Nakatani's trying to

1075
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,400
carve out his own legacy into the sports, as is Nashida.

1076
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:43,920
But na Katani has been moving up to pound for

1077
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,239
pound ranks. He's thirty, you know, with twenty three knockouts.

1078
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,199
He's looks spectacular basically every time out. He's also won

1079
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,760
titles at flyweight and junior banhamweight. I think some people

1080
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,440
actually already have him on their lower part of their

1081
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:58,320
top tens in terms of pound for pound. And look,

1082
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,519
he's been taking care of business. He's he's made three

1083
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:02,679
title defenses, he's won them all by knockout. He won

1084
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,320
the title by knockout against Santiago back, you know what,

1085
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,880
a year or so ago, and so now he's taken

1086
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,880
on his own countrymen. And by the way, unification fights

1087
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,239
among Japanese fighters are very rare. I mean, there's only

1088
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,400
a few times that's happened. I think the first time

1089
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,199
it ever happened. You got to go back to twenty twelve.

1090
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,199
That was when y Gaishi had a unification fight against Ioka.

1091
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:28,760
That's a long time ago, but it's very There's only

1092
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,000
been you know, maybe a two or three at the most.

1093
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,239
Overall that tis fighting a unification against Japanese against Japanese

1094
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,480
and a unification fights, So it's a rare thing. But

1095
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:41,840
that's the way. You know, the bandonmweight division has been

1096
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,920
dominated by Japanese fighters. So if you want to get

1097
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,840
a unification, inevitably you're gonna have to fight another of

1098
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,280
your countrymen. So in Nishida, he's only ten and zero

1099
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,639
two knockouts. He did score a big win when he

1100
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:54,639
beat Emmanuel Rodriguez to win the title. That was like

1101
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,519
about a year so ago. He's only made one defense.

1102
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,320
I actually watched that actually on YouTube when was on

1103
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,039
against the sort of a non descript opponent. So he's

1104
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,199
going to be the big underdog. But it's great when

1105
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:08,079
you can get these fighters to unify their titles. I mean,

1106
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:11,079
that's still a big part of boxing. You know, young

1107
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,880
disputeds are tough, but unifications. I'm glad they're able to

1108
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,239
make this fight. And look, I love Nakatani's one of

1109
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,480
my favorite fighters in boxing to watch. It's gonna be

1110
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,760
another one of those breakfasts with boxing on ESPN Plus

1111
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,360
because they'll do it.

1112
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:26,079
Speaker 3: You know, we're in Japanese boxing.

1113
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so wake up, wake up like four or five

1114
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,280
in the morning, and you watch this Japanese card. They

1115
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,880
got your boy attention. Nasa cow is going to be

1116
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,280
on this card. I also want a bandon White fight.

1117
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,159
Speaker 3: Why is he my boy?

1118
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: I've got seventeen boys?

1119
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 3: Why is he.

1120
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 2: He's the former kickboxing star who's getting close to a

1121
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,480
world title fight of his own. Uh, he's taken on

1122
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,480
Victor Santian. That's another solid opponent frame as he moves up.

1123
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: But the bigger story is your boy Nakatani is the headliner.

1124
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,199
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, exactly going to be stay chubed. So when

1125
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:56,320
they announced that fight on Friday, on the same day

1126
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,480
as Jake, Paul and Chavez was announced, in my mind,

1127
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,400
the real fight that was announced was the band and

1128
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,800
Wait unification. Fair enough, all right, let's move on to nostalgia.

1129
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: Interesting today is Easter Sunday, as we do the pods

1130
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,719
Sunday night into Monday, April to twentieth, and look, there's

1131
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,840
a lot to April the twentieth, I mean horrifically. The

1132
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,280
Columbine tragedy with the two nut High school students is

1133
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,159
April to twentieth. For those that are enthusiasts of cannabis

1134
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,599
and marijuana, four twenty is a big day. You want

1135
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:31,000
me to confess on the Big Fight Weekend podcast. Never

1136
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:33,159
tried it, never tried it. Don't know about you, Rightfiel,

1137
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:33,719
but I'm trying.

1138
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 3: For the potheads, this is a big day.

1139
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: Did you know on April the twentieth of nineteen twelve,

1140
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:45,639
the first ever baseball game was played at Fenway Park?

1141
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,079
Speaker 2: How about that for April the twentieth, I didn't know that.

1142
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:53,159
Speaker 1: That's different sports, different sports, different things. If you're how

1143
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:53,440
about that?

1144
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,199
Speaker 2: All right?

1145
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,679
Speaker 1: But April the twentieth has significance for both Floyd Mayweather

1146
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,679
and Canelo Alvarez. Let's begin with April twentieth, two thousand

1147
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:06,159
and two and Floyd Mayweather's win over Jose Luis Castillo

1148
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:11,679
for the WBC lightweight title. Controversial decision. All right, so

1149
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,960
what about tell me more about this Mayweather win.

1150
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: This is probably the most controversial decision that Floyd won,

1151
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:20,159
and he didn't have a lot of them, I mean,

1152
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,960
because he dominated most of his opponents. I mean, some

1153
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:25,239
people thought it was somewhat controversial when he had the

1154
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,000
victory in the first fight he had against Marcus Madonna.

1155
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:29,920
I didn't really think that was all that controversial. Jose

1156
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,079
Lewis Castillo, that was a close fight. A lot of

1157
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:36,719
people thought Castillo legit won the fight. I was covering

1158
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,719
boxing for USA today time. I don't remember why, but

1159
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:40,840
I did not go to that fight.

1160
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: For some reason.

1161
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: I watched it on TV and I went back and

1162
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,000
I knew we were going to talk about this, and

1163
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,239
I looked up to see how I scored this fight.

1164
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,800
I actually scored the fight seven rounds to seven, a draw.

1165
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,920
They both had gotten deducted one point each, so those

1166
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,360
sort of offset each other, so I had to fight even.

1167
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,119
But the judges had it one sixteen, one eleven in

1168
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:03,559
one fifteen eleven, one fifteen, one eleven four Floyd, which

1169
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:06,079
seemed a little generous if you asked me. This was

1170
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:10,039
Mayweather who had just completed a very outstanding run at

1171
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:12,280
junior lightweight where he had beaten a lot of good guys,

1172
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,239
including a knockout victory against Diego Corrals and a dominating performance.

1173
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,599
He had beaten good quality contenders like Jesus Chavez and

1174
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,800
Carlos Hernandez. And if you back up to the earlier

1175
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,880
part of his reign, he had won the title so

1176
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,280
impressibly against Gennaro Hernandez, he had knocked out angel Man.

1177
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,960
Freddy was on a top you know, the top contender

1178
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,920
at the time, just a couple of months after he

1179
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,840
beat Jennera Hernandez, so you know, Mayweather was doing everything

1180
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:37,039
at one hundred and thirty. He was taken on all

1181
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,920
comers and taken names. Basically, he goes in the ring

1182
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,599
with Castillo, who was a rugged customer, was best known

1183
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,760
for being a Chavez Senior sparring partner, but he had

1184
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,280
gotten a title shot against Evie Johnston, who was a

1185
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,880
very slick boxer. I actually was the first fight main

1186
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,159
event I ever attended in California. It was the afternoon

1187
00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:57,880
of the first fight between De la Hoya and Mosley,

1188
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,320
and Castillo pulled the upset. It was that actually the

1189
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,360
last time they ever had boxing on ABC on Wide

1190
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,159
World of Sports. But Castillo won the title that day,

1191
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:09,320
made a defense or two. Anyway, they were both with

1192
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,679
top rank Floyd and Castillo. Castillo was the first opponent

1193
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,480
when Floyd moved up to lightweight and he challenges for

1194
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,519
the title. And Castillo was a big guy, strong, pretty

1195
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:22,760
good punch, a great chin. And you know, we saw

1196
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,679
Floyd deal with those types of guys at thirty but

1197
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,199
a lot of people question how's he gonna do with

1198
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,239
at one thirty five, And it turned out, by the way,

1199
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,079
he had a tremendous amount of trouble in that fight.

1200
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:34,039
Like I said, a lot of people thought that Castillo won.

1201
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:36,800
Now not that this matters in the scheme of the

1202
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,719
official scoring, but you can take it for his his worth.

1203
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,800
Castillo was clearly the winner based on the compy box,

1204
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,400
which again it's a guide that doesn't really mean that much.

1205
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:48,239
But you know, Larry Merchant on HBO scored at one

1206
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:53,559
fifteen one to thirteen for Floyd. You know, Harold Letterman

1207
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,159
had Mayweather head by the two points, but there was

1208
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:57,559
a lot of people that thought that he should have

1209
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,599
lost the fight. It was so controversy at the time

1210
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,280
that that he was giving. He was giving. He gave

1211
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,559
Castillo a rematch in that fight, and so they did

1212
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:11,000
it again, you know later that year. Actually made a

1213
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:14,000
mistake on the scoring. It was actually, uh, it was

1214
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:16,440
actually uh what do you call it? Uh, Harold Letterman

1215
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,039
that had Castilla winning the fight one fifteen to one eleven. Interesting,

1216
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,159
you know, and I'm looking I look this up other

1217
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,639
you know, you can look it up on box wreck.

1218
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:28,599
You have the ap having having him winning the fight,

1219
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:29,800
having Castilla winning the fight.

1220
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 3: So it was it was a very tight matchup, so

1221
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,880
it did compelled to rematch.

1222
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made a mistake when I said the scores,

1223
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,239
it was closed one sixteen, one eleven, one fifteen, one

1224
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,159
eleven twice. I was looking at the rematch. In any event,

1225
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,079
it was a close fight, that's the bottom line. And

1226
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,920
they did it again and Floyd won the second fight,

1227
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,239
which is also another close, tough fight. But this is

1228
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,960
the one that stands out on Floyd. You take a

1229
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,239
look at all those fifty fights he had, You could

1230
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,519
count on less than one hand the number of times

1231
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,440
where Floyd was in jeopardy, right, I mean, even fights

1232
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,960
that were compe he still clearly won. Like the Madonna

1233
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,519
fight was competitive, even though I think most people still

1234
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,119
thought he won. The Koto fight was competitive a lot.

1235
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:10,599
You know, nobody thought Koto actually won the fight. You know,

1236
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,480
Emmanuel Augustus known as Emmanuel Burton at the time, gave

1237
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:17,199
Floyd a very tough fight, but he ultimately got a knockout.

1238
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,679
My point is this was the only one that went

1239
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,199
the route where there was a clear a number of people,

1240
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:26,960
be it fans, media, boxing, people otherwise, who really thought

1241
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,840
that Castillo deserved the win, and Floyd gave him the

1242
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,400
remachine and he got the win.

1243
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:31,679
Speaker 3: All right.

1244
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,159
Speaker 2: So move forward eleven years.

1245
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: To April, the twentieth of twenty thirteen, and that is

1246
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:44,800
Canelo Alvarez winning the unified WBC WBA Junior middleweight titles

1247
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,239
one hundred and fifty four pound titles and also the

1248
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,920
vacant ring title and a decision over Austin Trout. Now,

1249
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,960
I joked with you on my rundown that you know,

1250
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:54,880
we tend to go on and on, and we've been

1251
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,159
here a while for this. Can we write the history

1252
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:01,159
of boxing without the Canelo Austin Trout fout?

1253
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 3: And you had to fight, You had to concede to me,

1254
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:05,239
we probably can.

1255
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: Write the history of boxing without remembering Canelo and Trout

1256
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,280
in the ring.

1257
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,239
Speaker 2: However, what was going on outside? Wondering where you're going

1258
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:14,480
with this?

1259
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,679
Speaker 1: You know I'm always going somewhere. What was going on

1260
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:21,960
outside of the ring? Well, make it even more memorable

1261
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,920
because you were not at this fight while working for

1262
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,679
ESPN for a very good reason for Canelo Trout.

1263
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: But before I get to that, though, just to set

1264
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,000
up why this was a big deal. A. It was

1265
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:34,559
a unification fight. B. It was also for the vacant ring,

1266
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:37,280
which was emblematic of the lineal title to most people.

1267
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1268
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:42,719
Speaker 2: Second of all, Trout was undefeated. Golden Boy, which was

1269
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,519
Canelo's promoter at the time, really didn't want him to

1270
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:49,079
do the fight. That's not even a secret. Canelo insisted

1271
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,119
on the fight. He wanted the test. He was trout,

1272
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:56,039
was coming off of having defeated Miguel Coto to win

1273
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,440
the WBA title in a big upset, so he had

1274
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,239
every every deserving nature to be in this matchup. He

1275
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,400
was a very good fighter at the time. He was

1276
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,440
certainly among the top few fighters in the one hundred

1277
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,039
and fifty four pol Way class. They put this fine

1278
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,440
fight on at the Alamodome. It was like a really

1279
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:18,320
big deal, live on showtime. Ah, it was like it

1280
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:19,000
was a big deal.

1281
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:19,639
Speaker 3: Uh.

1282
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: And you say why was TJ? Just say why Rayfield

1283
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,320
Wasn't there?

1284
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: There reason?

1285
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:26,599
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons. It's one of the few

1286
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:29,719
Canalo fights in America anyway, you know, not the Mexico fights.

1287
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,639
But that I missed because of a damn good reason. Uh.

1288
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:35,519
April twenty was actually the due date when my wife

1289
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:39,119
was scheduled or supposed to, according to the doctor, give

1290
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:42,400
birth to our son. So for obvious reasons, my plans

1291
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,320
changed and I was like, I'm not going to the

1292
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,119
fight because uh, he's gonna you know, there's a good

1293
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:49,159
chance he's born, you know, in and around that fight week.

1294
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,599
So my my good pal Kieran Malviny, who was also

1295
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:56,039
working at ESPN at the time, who was like basically

1296
00:59:56,159 --> 00:59:58,800
my backup guy on boxing. Uh, they sent Kieren to

1297
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,760
cover the fight San Antonio, and he did a great job,

1298
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,039
as he always did. And Rafael was home. But my

1299
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:07,400
son actually had been born several days earlier, so we

1300
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:10,400
had just gone home from the hospital. I forget if

1301
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,280
it was that day or the day before, and there

1302
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,760
was two boxing as my wife is like upstairs, she's

1303
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,760
like resting and you know, trying to recover, and she's asleep,

1304
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,599
and so I'm sitting in the living room with this

1305
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,400
two day old or three day old baby on my lap,

1306
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,880
not knowing what the hell I'm gonna do. Earlier in

1307
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,360
the day from the Madison Square Garden Theater on NBC

1308
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,159
or NBC Sports that I forget which it was. You

1309
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:36,800
had Tyson Fury pre championship against Steve Cunningham where Steve Cunningham,

1310
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,159
the former cruiserweight title or, knocked Tyson Ferry down. Fury

1311
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:42,400
got up and ended up winning the fight, So that

1312
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:44,800
was officially, I guess my son's first ever boxing match.

1313
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,000
While he was asleep on my lap. Later that night,

1314
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:49,480
I'm watching again. He got him on the lap and

1315
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:53,199
he's out cold, and I'm watching. Wife is upstairs. I'm

1316
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:56,519
watching Canelo do this fight against Austin Trout and it

1317
01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:58,400
was a good fight. I mean it was. You know,

1318
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,360
Austin Trout have ever become like some mega superstar, but

1319
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,400
he gave Canelo a good run that night. Some people

1320
01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:06,199
thought that he might have won. I didn't think so,

1321
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,280
but uh, look, Canelo was in a real fight against

1322
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,679
a tough guy. This was, in my mind, the first

1323
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,360
like real guy that he fought like When he had

1324
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,239
won the title against Matthew Hatton, for example, that was

1325
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,480
a bazillion to one type of fight. He had made

1326
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:24,679
defenses against guys like good names Ryan Rhodes, Alfonso Gomez,

1327
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,920
even Kermit Cintron, but never did I think that he

1328
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,199
was any danger in those fights. Then they matched him

1329
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,239
with Shane Mosley, who was obviously a great name and

1330
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,719
a Hall of famer but way past his best days,

1331
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:37,840
and he absolutely annihilated him on points. And then he

1332
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,920
took on Jos Seedo Lopez, who was tiny compared to

1333
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,199
him coming up like two or three way classes to

1334
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:46,599
fight him coming up from like one forty. Basically, Trout

1335
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,280
was a real guy at fifty four. He's just beaten

1336
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,960
Codo for a title. He's got boxing skills, he's been

1337
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,320
around for a bit, he's undefeated, and this was like

1338
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,039
a real fight. This was the fight that preceded when

1339
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:00,639
Canelo fought Mayweather. By the way, he did a very

1340
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:03,360
good job. Canelo dropped Trout in the seventh round. He

1341
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,000
ended up winning one eighteen one oh nine on one

1342
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:09,519
scorecard that was maybe a little bit gift dish towards Canelo.

1343
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,840
The other two seem more in line one fifteen to

1344
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,599
one twelve, one sixteen to one eleven. And he won

1345
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:17,760
the fight, unified the titles, and became the The Ring

1346
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,039
Magazine and lineal champion of the one fifty four division.

1347
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,559
And Rafael was home with a three day old bang.

1348
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,679
Speaker 1: This begs the question, were you diaper changing Dan at

1349
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:33,760
that point? Yes, so right away you didn't have to

1350
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,599
be coached instructed. You were ready to go on fight

1351
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,239
night if need be, and probably as it needed to be,

1352
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:44,599
like several times, probably so.

1353
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,559
Speaker 2: My in laws did come in the next few days

1354
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,800
to stay with us for a while to help out,

1355
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,519
and I also uh, when they were gone, I actually

1356
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,440
did something, and I was it's the greatest investment I

1357
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,199
ever made. Fortunately I could afford to do it. I

1358
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,760
hired a we hired. This was a a boxing friend

1359
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,920
of mine gave me the suggestion, so, if you can

1360
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,960
afford it, this is the way to go. Hire a

1361
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:08,199
baby nurse. So I had hired a baby nurse to

1362
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:10,280
come to our house from this company that did that.

1363
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:13,719
And the nurse we had like two or three over

1364
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,079
the course of a month or so that we used

1365
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:18,320
this company. They were all tremendous and they basically taught

1366
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,519
us how to make them sleep and all the things

1367
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,159
you need to do, and they were wonderful with him.

1368
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,039
But that wasn't on the first day. So I was

1369
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:26,679
hiring a baby nurse. They were coming to my house

1370
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:28,800
and like you know, like six in the evening and

1371
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,239
basically staying till like seven the next morning. You know,

1372
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,800
that helped my wife nurse and the whole thing. Wow,

1373
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,800
that was a great start. But on those first few

1374
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,840
days I was on my own, my wife's upstairs, like

1375
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,320
chocked out, and so yeah, I had to change diapers.

1376
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 3: I had to figure all that out.

1377
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't change a lot of them, but I

1378
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:45,639
changed a bunch of them. Irlin, you got to do

1379
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:46,039
the bottle.

1380
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:48,559
Speaker 1: You gotta do the diaper. You got h wait a minute,

1381
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:51,039
can I just knock trout down? And then the baby's away.

1382
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:57,000
All of that happening now back twelve years ago on Sunday,

1383
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:01,559
Happy Birthday, by the way to Young Rayfield. Yes, by

1384
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:05,119
the way, also April to twentieth, so it follows up

1385
01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:09,239
the famous now two hundred and fiftieth two five zero,

1386
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:13,880
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the midnight Ride of

1387
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,360
Paul Revere. It was actually on Friday. But this is

1388
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,320
you can trip people up with this. This is a

1389
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,960
fun fact. Paul Revere did not make it up to

1390
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:27,599
New Hampshire where he was trying to go. To warn

1391
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,039
everybody involved, not the British are coming ray Field, the regulars,

1392
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:35,800
they called him, the regulars, the regulars, the Brits.

1393
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: He was riding through the streets of San Antonio, yelling

1394
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,360
Canelo he was not. It was actually.

1395
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:48,079
Speaker 1: Samuel daw Samuel Prescott and William Dawes are the two

1396
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:51,039
people that had to go to New Hampshire because the

1397
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:54,000
British troops had caught Paul Revere, believe it or not,

1398
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:55,400
and stopped him.

1399
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,159
Speaker 2: So the other two guys got to New Hampshire to

1400
01:04:57,199 --> 01:04:57,559
warn them.

1401
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: All right, So Day one of the revelution Lutionary War

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is Saturday the nineteenth yesterday, and the Battle of Boston

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began two hundred and fifty years ago on April twentieth,

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seventeen seventy five.

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Speaker 2: We got boxing lessons and we got revolutionary war lessons.

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Speaker 1: And Finway Park would later open in Boston in nineteen twelve,

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believe it or not, on the twentieth of April. All right,

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So great stuff. As always with all of the recaps,

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you got a bunch on that. You got some news,

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some exciting fights coming obviously for this summer, and the

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nostalgia as well.

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Speaker 3: Anything else. Are we good?

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Speaker 1: Are we ready to attack? The final week? Essentially just

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about the final week of April. Final weekend of fights

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will be next weekend in April.

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Speaker 2: We got the big one this weekend this past we.

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Speaker 1: Connor Big and Chris you bank Junior or you Bank Junior,

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Connor Band, whichever you prefer you're ready to attack the

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week Are you good?

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Speaker 2: Are we good off the weekend? I'm looking I'm not

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fighting like I always say, so, I'm looking forward to

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checking that one out.

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Speaker 3: I think we are all looking forward to everything that's about.

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Speaker 2: I have to say to him a little bit, I'm

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a little uh, not concerned is the wrong word, but

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it's you look at the way the pay per views

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are stacking up. You got Connor ben on pay per

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view with you Bank this coming Saturday. Then the following

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Friday you have the Ryan Garcia New York City Times

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Square trip letter that's pay per view, and then the

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following day in Saudi Review, you got Canelo as a pa.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Now, yes, the Zone is offering where you can buy

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the May second and May third in one package for

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a price that would be much less than if you

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bought the two separately. But it's still even if you

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buy the package. Listen, it's not it's not easy being

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a boxing fan from a financial perspective. I mean, I'm

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I'm lucky I can afford it, and I hope everybody

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else can also.

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Speaker 1: But to make the tough choice, what's gonna ultimately happen

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here is the The pay per view market will buckle

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if there's too too much saturation and not enough people

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buying them, and you got to you gotta do better

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with the pricing and or the fights not being on

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pay per view.

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Speaker 2: It's it gets to be too much. And I've never

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been somebody that said, oh it shouldn't be pay per view.

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You've never heard when they put fights like you know,

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mega far But look, we just said it. Nobody upset

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about it.

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Speaker 1: The market will dictate how much longer, and how many

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of them and at what price.

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Speaker 2: Because here's the thing that I don't quite get when

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when when I'm talking about the United States, because that's

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where I live, and that's where Washington where I have

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done most business. When they put a fight we were

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talking about Canelo against like I say, Canelo against Mayweather,

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that's how I was a true mega fight when they

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put that on pay per view, Nobody nobody complained about that.

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You knew it was a pay per view fight, Sayoul

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Mayweather pack even when they raised the price on may

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their packet.

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Speaker 1: It was also in an era if we can, if

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we can elaborate on this just for another second, where

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there were maybe five or six pay per views in

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an entire year, maybe even.

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Speaker 2: If you There was times when HBO did tons of

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pay per views. Also, I'm not going to put on

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the rose colored glasses, but even in more recent years

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when they were doing like you know, Canelo against Caleb

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plant on Paper or any of Canelo's fights in pay

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per view, people just understood that's on pay per view

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because of who Canelo is and even the types of

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fights he's fighting. The problem is you take a fight

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like and I'm not knocking the fight, please don't make

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that mistake. Connor Ben against Chris Ubank Junior. That is

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a pay per view. Obviously for the British public. I

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get that. What I have troubles with is why is

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that a pay per view In the rest of the world.

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That doesn't make any sense. Like as an example, when

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they did back a couple of years ago on his

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own they did Devin Hainey against Regis program in the

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United States, they made that they made that a pay

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per view, which I didn't like, but I got it.

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But if you were in the UK and other places

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around the world, it wasn't on pay per view. It

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as part of your regular subscription, so it blows my

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mind that a fight like you Bank and Ben is

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on pay per view even in America and other locations

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right and it should be a normal subscription.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, we've reached the saturation point with all

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the pay per views and more to come.

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Speaker 3: More pay per views are coming, more time.

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Speaker 2: To dissect that with have a good week. Thank you, Dan, Rayphiel.

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As always, we appreciate it. Yes, sir, there you go.

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Speaker 1: There's Big Dan on Merely TJ Reeves Again. Make sure

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For now, we are good. Here for the latest edition

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of the Fight Freak Nighted Recap podcast