Speaker 1: But a good friend of the show stops buying a
Speaker 1: Tuesday and it's been way too long.
Speaker 2: Caitlin Jones, Happy Tuesday, buddy. How are we doing?
Speaker 3: I'm doing for hearing your voice? Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Great. Great to catch up with you as well.
Speaker 1: And it seems like every time I chat with you,
Speaker 1: you have taken another job and another really cool job
Speaker 1: as well. So I need the career update, I need
Speaker 1: the life update. What's going on with you now?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm very blessed man. You know, media is
Speaker 3: not an eat the industry to hold feeble jobs as
Speaker 3: I'm current throughout my career. But I'm currently an associate
Speaker 3: producer for Netflix is Untold, the sports documentary series. It's
Speaker 3: been about a year now. I've kept it low key
Speaker 3: because there hasn't been too much to share. I'm excited
Speaker 3: because the first round of episodes that was a part
Speaker 3: of I really wasn't a part of I was just
Speaker 3: getting an a. I was like that person in the
Speaker 3: group who didn't really do anything on the group assignment
Speaker 3: and got an a on it. This time around had
Speaker 3: a little bit more of a hand in it. And
Speaker 3: I'm excited for our episode that's coming out called shooting
Speaker 3: guards about Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Critenson and the incident.
Speaker 3: So we've got a couple more episodes coming up. It
Speaker 3: takes a few years of make these things. I'm learning,
Speaker 3: but it's been a really fun experience so far, transitioning
Speaker 3: over from journalism to the film space.
Speaker 2: Very nice, very nice, Caitlin.
Speaker 1: We are losing you a little bit on the cell phone,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna reset quite a little bit of a
Speaker 1: long question. I'm gonna ask you just move around a
Speaker 1: little bit, see if we can get a better connection.
Speaker 1: So Cayln Jones is our guest. He's been a friend
Speaker 1: of the show for five six years. He was with
Speaker 1: The Ringer, he was with Sports Illustrated, with The Athletic,
Speaker 1: has now landed over with our friends in Netflix. So
Speaker 1: what has been so this this this Gilbert Arenas doctor
Speaker 1: you have coming up? I wonder what has been this process,
Speaker 1: what the process has been like for you? I mean,
Speaker 1: I certainly will never forget this story. I am beyond
Speaker 1: excited to watch this and as a lifelong quite frankly,
Speaker 1: being around the NBA my entire life, somebody who's worked
Speaker 1: in it and has covered it for quite some time,
Speaker 1: of course, I can remember Gilbert Arenas as a great
Speaker 1: college player and a very very talented pro and I
Speaker 1: completely remember when this news certainly came down in the
Speaker 1: fallout for both Gilbert and Javaris Criten And what's what's
Speaker 1: what's the process been like for you guys to make this.
Speaker 3: So when I joined about a year ago, the process
Speaker 3: it already started conducting interviews with Green and the Bars
Speaker 3: Crinton both, you know, people close to both of them,
Speaker 3: former teammates to witness the whole incident go down. And
Speaker 3: then obviously the police departments from Atlanta who was kind
Speaker 3: of the fallout as far as Bars Critins inside of everything.
Speaker 3: But when I joined the processes, you know, you have
Speaker 3: the editor or a couple of editors who are in
Speaker 3: ed base and after you're basically trying to help them,
Speaker 3: you know, nurture the story. Alonge, you send a few
Speaker 3: cuts to the big folks at Netflix, they send some
Speaker 3: notes back. You probably do that five or six signs
Speaker 3: before you get a final cut and line that process
Speaker 3: six about a year. It's been really fascinating. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's really cool, Spence, because you know how it is
Speaker 3: with media scrums and most interview sessions. You know, they're
Speaker 3: five ten minutes and you're sticking a microphone in an
Speaker 3: athlete's face after, you know, a huge moment. With documentaries,
Speaker 3: we get the luxury of sitting with subjects for hours
Speaker 3: and so being able to get fuller context and provide
Speaker 3: that on a platform like Netflix is really special to
Speaker 3: be a part of.
Speaker 1: All Right, for our listeners that are going, who are
Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas and Javar's kritten? And because it is sixteen
Speaker 1: years ago, let's revisit it, Kalin, So tell our listeners
Speaker 1: what went down Christmas Eve two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Gilbert Arenas as you were talking about Spence,
Speaker 3: talented NBA player, multi time all are for the Washington Wizards.
Speaker 3: He and Javaris Crittinson, who was a backup point guard
Speaker 3: on the team, young in his career, had been drafted
Speaker 3: by the Lakers, trying to kind of you know, trying
Speaker 3: to save his career. They during a slight home the
Speaker 3: two of them got you know, they were playing cards
Speaker 3: on the plane. Uh over you know, there was a
Speaker 3: debate over who owed who money and between Gilbert and
Speaker 3: Javars Uh it became sort of an emotional showing of
Speaker 3: manhood and challenging one another. You know how it is
Speaker 3: with your friends. Sometimes sometimes we have friends who take
Speaker 3: things a little bit so far. And while they're talking
Speaker 3: about bringing guns to each other, you know, bringing guns
Speaker 3: to the locker room, and Javaris and Gilbert both ended
Speaker 3: up following through. Uh, they ended up pulling out guns
Speaker 3: on each other. And hello, here can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're breaking up pretty fierce. Is there is
Speaker 1: there any way we can get you to relocate.
Speaker 2: Or do you? Porter can porter?
Speaker 1: Porter can call you back if you want, if you
Speaker 1: want to take a second, we can reconnect with you.
Speaker 3: Ah, man, I'm sorry, man, I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 3: a better spot in the hotel to the Uh. Speak
Speaker 3: to you from him in Atlanta. Actually, we're doing some
Speaker 3: interviews for another episode.
Speaker 1: You sound really good right now, wherever you're at, just
Speaker 1: stay right there.
Speaker 3: You sound right, okay, perfect? But yeah, the two of
Speaker 3: them got into a incident showing a manhood calling each
Speaker 3: other out on the plane. Both threatened to bring guns
Speaker 3: into the locker room. And I think you know, we
Speaker 3: all have friends who take things probably a little bit
Speaker 3: too far, a little bit too literally, and unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they they brought guns into the locker room and both
Speaker 3: were suspended, given two of the lanky suspensions in NBA history,
Speaker 3: essentially end the Javaris Critinson's career and uh, Gilbert or
Speaker 3: Reer never really recovered after that. And so what we
Speaker 3: do is really examine the fallout of it. Uh is
Speaker 3: really tragic, honestly, like what ends up pappening in Javar's
Speaker 3: side of things, and he kind of probably aware of
Speaker 3: Gilbert Arenas's son, Elijah Arenas, one of the top prospects
Speaker 3: in college basketball. He just recently, you know, luckily survived,
Speaker 3: but there was a car accident out in La where
Speaker 3: he was trapped in a cyber truck and was able
Speaker 3: to luckily get out. He wasn't put into his coma,
Speaker 3: but he's awake now. And Yeah, we examined their relationship,
Speaker 3: Javar's fallout. It's a really compelling episode in one of
Speaker 3: the best untolds I think will ever come out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for what is the nature now for
Speaker 1: our listeners that don't know Javaris critten In a few
Speaker 1: years later was charged with the murder of Julian Jones,
Speaker 1: twenty two year old mother of four. He pled guilty
Speaker 1: to manslaughter. He was sentenced to twenty three years in prison.
Speaker 1: It was later reduced to ten years, and he was
Speaker 1: released from prison last year. So, you know, of course,
Speaker 1: a very sad story for a number of different reasons.
Speaker 1: What was the effect of the incident, not the not
Speaker 1: the murder the Javaris committed, but the incident between Javaris
Speaker 1: and Gilbert and the gun incident, What was the effect
Speaker 1: that that had on their relationship and what is the
Speaker 1: nature of their relationship today?
Speaker 3: Really did sort of torpedo things right. Javaris was, you know,
Speaker 3: personally upset at Gilbert because after the incident happened, after
Speaker 3: the NBA handed out or at least threatened to hand
Speaker 3: out the suspensions, Gilbert Renus was. There's a famous picture
Speaker 3: or infamous picture of him, you know in the huddle,
Speaker 3: the team huddle and finger guns at everybody, and you
Speaker 3: know Javaris saw it as you know, Gilbert playing around
Speaker 3: and not taking things seriously. You know, their their relationship,
Speaker 3: It took a few years for them the sort of
Speaker 3: men things after Javaris had gotten out, they are now
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say close, but you know there there acquaintances cordial,
Speaker 3: however you want to put it, they're on good terms
Speaker 3: at this point. I know that Jabars has been on
Speaker 3: Gilbert Arenas's podcast a couple of times at this point
Speaker 3: to discuss everything and kind of you know, air everything out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's in a much better spot today.
Speaker 3: And as you mentioned, you know, obviously there's a seriously tragic,
Speaker 3: you know, portion of the story that you know, we
Speaker 3: we do a really good job of getting into. But
Speaker 3: it's it's a really fascinating story. Like I said, I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be one of the best sports
Speaker 3: documentaries that comes out this year.
Speaker 1: As far as you know, we referenced the player that
Speaker 1: Gilbert was, and you know, he ultimately when you look
Speaker 1: at from a macro standpoint, because he was not super
Speaker 1: highly thought of as an NBA prospect coming out of college,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can he was a second round pick.
Speaker 1: I don't think he can really analyze his career as
Speaker 1: anything other than a massive success based off of expectations.
Speaker 1: But from a Gilbert Arenas angle, specifically, how did that
Speaker 1: incident kind of changed the trajectory of his NBA career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, you know, things kind of filled
Speaker 3: with out for him afterwards, he wasn't able to return
Speaker 3: to being, you know, the superstar. He wasn't the face
Speaker 3: of the league. He was literally on the cover of
Speaker 3: NBA Live in two thousand and eight. I still I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure I had that game. He was one of
Speaker 3: the faces of the league. And after that incident, the
Speaker 3: NBA did its you know, it did its job to
Speaker 3: protect its brand and made sure that you know, he
Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily considered a face. For Gilbert, his career tailed off.
Speaker 3: He ended up playing in Memphis Orlando. He was never
Speaker 3: really the same player, and so for him personally though,
Speaker 3: I think that and he talked about it in our episode,
Speaker 3: it you know, played a role in him evolving and
Speaker 3: maturing as a man, specifically as a father. He's much
Speaker 3: more involved in Elijah Arenas's life. Gilbert, like I said,
Speaker 3: he's someone who's a goofball, didn't take things seriously. That
Speaker 3: incident helped change him to being a little bit more
Speaker 3: mature and taking things a little bit more seriously. And
Speaker 3: like I said, he's ensuring that his son isn't on
Speaker 3: a similar path to not taking things serious. And I
Speaker 3: think that's the reason why he ended up not going
Speaker 3: in the first round during the draft, and why he
Speaker 3: wasn't considered as highly a prospect because he was so talented,
Speaker 3: but he didn't have maybe necessarily the work at elite
Speaker 3: work ethic. Obviously, every athlete has work ethic, the elite
Speaker 3: work ethic to keep him consistently at an all star
Speaker 3: caliber level. So I think it changed him for the better. Obviously,
Speaker 3: it's unfortunate that it took that incident, but you know,
Speaker 3: for his personal life and we see him now obviously
Speaker 3: with the podcast. He's still a jokester, but there is
Speaker 3: a little bit more maturity that comes with the experiences
Speaker 3: he's had, you.
Speaker 1: Know, in UH, in both in both pro sports and
Speaker 1: if for honest, in society, the topic of gun control
Speaker 1: is one that comes up often and people feel very
Speaker 1: passionate about it, both on both sides of the aisle
Speaker 1: wherever you stand. UH and of course when it comes
Speaker 1: to the NBA or the NFL, you know, oftentimes when
Speaker 1: a player is caught with a firearm without a license,
Speaker 1: or you know, they're pulled over and there's a firearm
Speaker 1: in the car, the league's come under a tremendous scrutiny
Speaker 1: to serve as an example for everybody else. How did
Speaker 1: this incident, if at all, kind of change the perspective
Speaker 1: or paradigm of pro basketball in the way that they
Speaker 1: view and handle gun control issues.
Speaker 3: Well, the reason why the penalty was socivere. The suspension
Speaker 3: was for the rest of the season. I'm blanking on
Speaker 3: which season that was. It might have been two and
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, but both of them ended up
Speaker 3: being suspended for the entire season, And for Javares Crittinson,
Speaker 3: I mean he was essentially blackballed from returning to the NBA.
Speaker 3: And then I think the severity with which the NBA
Speaker 3: came down was to ensure that, you know, the league
Speaker 3: itself has had to overcome different types of stigmas, right
Speaker 3: like before the Magic Johnson Larry bird eras uh, obviously
Speaker 3: the league had a crack cocaine issue with its players
Speaker 3: and so being able to rescue the league it's first
Speaker 3: with the bird machinery and Michael Jordan. You know all
Speaker 3: that the league was nervous about that NINU race when
Speaker 3: the early two thousands, late nineteen nineties, you had players
Speaker 3: who the league had the record with hip hop culture
Speaker 3: coming to the surface and players expecting themselves that way.
Speaker 3: So you had different points throughout the league's league history
Speaker 3: where it's had the grapple with perception, outsider perception, which
Speaker 3: ultimately affects its you know, final dollar. With that incident,
Speaker 3: I think they made sure very very strongly that you know,
Speaker 3: it would not tolerate you know, gun gunplay literally within
Speaker 3: the flocker room, and so the penalties were super severe,
Speaker 3: and I think that you know, how the league handled it,
Speaker 3: uh super fascinating for Gilbert. I guess I'm telling the
Speaker 3: untold part of it here, but Gilbert explained that the
Speaker 3: league really came down fiercely upon him because he was
Speaker 3: trafficking guns essentially using private planes that the NBA was providing,
Speaker 3: because he had guns in Phoenix and he would bring
Speaker 3: them over to Washington, d C. So using the NBA's
Speaker 3: private planes. So they He believes that the reason why
Speaker 3: the pelly was so severe is because the NBA didn't
Speaker 3: want that to be known.
Speaker 1: When is this coming out? I'm telling you, I am
Speaker 1: giddy with excitement. This is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 3: It's coming out on May six, Okay.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, right around the corner.
Speaker 1: So you referenced there are some other unt and we've
Speaker 1: had Tony vai Nuku on the program a couple of times.
Speaker 1: He's a Utah filmmaker who worked on the anti Teo
Speaker 1: documentary Untold.
Speaker 2: What what are What are the other projects that you
Speaker 2: have coming up?
Speaker 3: Kaln Yeah, so Until has two more episodes. The episodes
Speaker 3: that are coming out are based on the social media
Speaker 3: guy named Wiver King and then also there's an episode
Speaker 3: coming out about Brett farre Neither of those episodes, I guess,
Speaker 3: like the Hollywood of It bills, weren't done by our
Speaker 3: production houses, the production house that I work with. We
Speaker 3: have a few more episodes coming out in the pipe
Speaker 3: that regard the NBA, regard Major League Baseball, and the NFL,
Speaker 3: And unfortunately I want to protect my job, so I
Speaker 3: can't say what it is yet, but I think that
Speaker 3: they will also be some compelling stuff. So I'm really
Speaker 3: excited about what we're working on, even what I'm here
Speaker 3: in Atlanta working on right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've loved all of them. I mean, Malice in
Speaker 1: the Palace that was the first one I saw.
Speaker 2: Let's see were the other ones we have.
Speaker 1: I have referenced the Girlfriend who Didn't exist, Manti Tayo
Speaker 1: and a lot of local ties here. The Rise and
Speaker 1: Fall of Van One. I mean, I loved and One
Speaker 1: back in the day. I thought it was great. There's
Speaker 1: a ton of great ones. The one on Manzell was
Speaker 1: really good. I recently saw the one on Steve McNair.
Speaker 1: So what a cool what a cool series fe you'd
Speaker 1: be involved in, Man, I think that's great. I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring you into a conversation we've been having because
Speaker 1: in your former life, and you're still a very young person,
Speaker 1: you've just done so many.
Speaker 2: Really cool things.
Speaker 1: But I've been talking the past couple of days Kalan
Speaker 1: about you know, on one side, you have NFL talent
Speaker 1: evaluators that actually work for the league and work for teams,
Speaker 1: and then on the other side, you have media members
Speaker 1: that kind of moonlight as NFL talent evaluators and draft
Speaker 1: you know, draft you know evaluators, and oftentimes there's a
Speaker 1: massive gap between those two groups, because if you're evaluating
Speaker 1: talent for a pro team or a pro league, you
Speaker 1: have to remove emotion from the equation and simply analyze
Speaker 1: the prospect you have at your disposal. We're on the
Speaker 1: media side, especially during the draft cycle, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: people want so much engagement that they don't necessarily pay
Speaker 1: as much attention to the nuts and bolts of analyzing players,
Speaker 1: and they just want you to engage with their content.
Speaker 1: Which brings me to this Shudar Sanders story, which has
Speaker 1: just been fascinating. Is this as simple as maybe media
Speaker 1: people getting this wrong. An NFL talent evaluator is just
Speaker 1: saying he's not as good as you people think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. As
Speaker 3: someone who was on the media side of it, as
Speaker 3: you mentioned back in what was it, twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: when we had justin Fields, you know, and I wrote
Speaker 3: a story that you know, drove a lot of traffic.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not necessarily proud of that part, but
Speaker 3: you know, the narratives that gets stuck with particular prospects
Speaker 3: is very fascinating. And so you mentioned engagement, and I
Speaker 3: was thinking about it. I was talking to a friend
Speaker 3: about this with Shador, you know, I was joking. I
Speaker 3: was like, hey, like, I loved him, but I don't
Speaker 3: think he's a first round talent. I think he has
Speaker 3: a weak arm. I don't I think he's a great
Speaker 3: prospecting that he's tough as hell and will hang in
Speaker 3: the pocket. I mean, he drists a little bit, but
Speaker 3: he's willing to sit in the pot and will throw
Speaker 3: over the mill you can't. Those are two traits that
Speaker 3: I feel like, generally, you know, suggest that you can
Speaker 3: last in the NFL. That being said, he doesn't have
Speaker 3: the biggest arm and he's not the biggest dude, So
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised at all. It would have taken less
Speaker 3: than one and a half if I could have gambled
Speaker 3: on it, even though two quarterbacks went. Like with the Door,
Speaker 3: It's really fascinating that. And I guess drafts in general,
Speaker 3: right justin Field's draft, there was Trevor Lawrence all time prospect,
Speaker 3: and we were still focused on the narratives that were
Speaker 3: surrounding justin Fields. That's why I wrote the article. It's like,
Speaker 3: why are we talking about the negative about this bad
Speaker 3: prospect instead of there's other people that we can talk about.
Speaker 3: And same with the Door, we had a show to hey,
Speaker 3: old Tani esque prospect in Travis Hunter, who went number
Speaker 3: two overall. I think that's more dramatic, like there is
Speaker 3: a one unicle who wasn't selected number one. I think
Speaker 3: that's way more compelling to me than you know, a
Speaker 3: quarterback that probably wouldn't wouldn't have gone first overall in
Speaker 3: the stronger quarterback class, you know, falling out of the
Speaker 3: first round. I think it's compelling because you guys know
Speaker 3: how it goes first and foremost, like college football fans
Speaker 3: are most rapid and most passionate stand base in the
Speaker 3: United States. I think the other element of that is
Speaker 3: the Deon Sanders of it all. Granted I'm young, I'm
Speaker 3: only twenty eight. I've covered, I was covered in my
Speaker 3: previous job. I come the Colorado UCLA game when they
Speaker 3: were in LA and my assignment was go follow around Colorado,
Speaker 3: go hang around the tailgates, go watch the game from
Speaker 3: the stands on the Colorado side. I've been told how massive,
Speaker 3: you know, Deon Sanders, how big of a deal he is,
Speaker 3: and I understand that, but I understand it even more
Speaker 3: having been around these people who love and pray, and
Speaker 3: that's why the Door's number gotten fired. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's like a great but I'm not surprised. It's their
Speaker 3: church essentially, people that put on their pedestal and so
Speaker 3: compelling element of shador being Deon Sanders kid is why
Speaker 3: we're so engaged, and for him to be dropped all
Speaker 3: the way down to the fifth round, I look, and
Speaker 3: you guys watch college football. I don't know if he's
Speaker 3: worse than Dylan Gabriel. I don't think he's a worst
Speaker 3: quarterback process than some of the other guys that went
Speaker 3: before him. So that gets a little funky for me.
Speaker 3: But as far as him falling out of the first round,
Speaker 3: I wasn't that shocked one more. Do you think, like said,
Speaker 3: the narratives that the media has to run with, the
Speaker 3: negative narratives are what drives content and attention, unfortunately, and
Speaker 3: I think that's what happened for sure.
Speaker 1: I wanted to follow up with this, do you think
Speaker 1: his dad did him a bit of a disservice because
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is Dion Sanders could sandbag
Speaker 1: interviews all he wants, it didn't matter. He was one
Speaker 1: of the best, if not the best cornerbacks in history
Speaker 1: pro football. And there were moments where Dion said things
Speaker 1: like we're gonna get involved where he plays, and it
Speaker 1: might be Eli Manning's situation, and and Deon saying he's
Speaker 1: a top five pick, he should be the number one pick,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe the power of Deon Sanders swayed everybody,
Speaker 1: including Vegas, by the way, did not meet just media.
Speaker 1: Vegas at one point last year had Shador as the
Speaker 1: favorite to be the number one pick. Do you think
Speaker 1: throughout this whole process, Shador may have been let down
Speaker 1: a little bit and done a disservice by his dad?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think so. I think it's fair to say,
Speaker 3: like you said for him. Let's put it this way.
Speaker 3: If you and I are running an NFL team and
Speaker 3: we have a first round pick, we need a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Why would we risk a quarterback who again, he's not
Speaker 3: no offense, not Josh Allen right now, Cam Newton somewhere
Speaker 3: where he's supremely physically gifted. We're gonna bet on the trades.
Speaker 3: You don't. Why would I risk, you know, Deon Sanders
Speaker 3: potentially affecting our plan? You know, with a first round pick,
Speaker 3: it's the value is just not worth the risk, and
Speaker 3: even potentially a second round pick or a third round pick,
Speaker 3: because then all of a sudden, the conversation becomes about
Speaker 3: that and that toxicity. If we're being real as opposed
Speaker 3: to what can you provide for our football team and
Speaker 3: does he fit as opposed to does Daddy like where
Speaker 3: he's going that? And I do believe that that did
Speaker 3: a disservice to him in terms of where he ended
Speaker 3: up being landed. And you know, some people have written
Speaker 3: that both Shador and Deon needed that humbling if the
Speaker 3: reports about him purposefully not just bombing meeting and interviews,
Speaker 3: like purposely being dismissive aren't true, than you, I guess
Speaker 3: on some level, yeah, he did need this like sort
Speaker 3: of reckoning and humbling on some level. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, you know, I do think that for Shador
Speaker 3: while he you know, I would love to be in
Speaker 3: accusing the sense that I grew up as Deon Sanders kid. Also, yeah,
Speaker 3: with being his kid, you probably have to be on
Speaker 3: the same You're probably taught to be super confident and
Speaker 3: super brash on some level. So you know, there's we
Speaker 3: could go on for like two hours about this. It's
Speaker 3: really fascinating to me and sincerely.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the end of the day, I do think
Speaker 3: Dion being a little bit not over confident but brash
Speaker 3: and suggesting that he would be involved in where Shador
Speaker 3: lands did cost him. At the end of the day,
Speaker 3: you know, upwards of thirty million or whatever it was
Speaker 3: that people have been able to project.
Speaker 1: All Right, before I set you loose, I just looked
Speaker 1: up some details of the upcoming untold the Fall of FARV,
Speaker 1: and this is a perfect This is a perfect topic
Speaker 1: and person, quite frankly, not just player to do a
Speaker 1: documentary on, because it was such a wild ride as
Speaker 1: a player that not a lot of people thought highly
Speaker 1: of when he was a young college player, and ultimately
Speaker 1: becoming one of the most entertaining the players in the
Speaker 1: history of pro football to play quarterback, and then the
Speaker 1: precipitous fault Caitlin that quite frankly is still going on
Speaker 1: right in front of us.
Speaker 2: So before I set you loose, what can you.
Speaker 1: Tell us about the FARV documentary coming out next month?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So from the cut that I've seen to just
Speaker 3: to be fair, like the production house that did make
Speaker 3: it was our one of our associate houses. From what
Speaker 3: I've seen, it definitely centers around Jen Surger, the woman
Speaker 3: who Brett farre sent the inappropriate text to, who used
Speaker 3: to work for the Jets, and getting her perspective is
Speaker 3: super fascinating because, like you said, it's it's for Brett Barre,
Speaker 3: someone who was one of the most entertaining and quarterbacks
Speaker 3: in football. It's fascinating seeing how someone who didn't have
Speaker 3: power suddenly being in a position where they are elevated.
Speaker 3: Similar to like we were talking about with the Sanders
Speaker 3: in Green Bay, Brett Farv was God essentially and for
Speaker 3: him to you know, have the power that he had
Speaker 3: as a face of the NFL, it's easy to or
Speaker 3: not easy to see, but it's it's fascinating to see
Speaker 3: how he misused that and wasn't maybe not aware, but
Speaker 3: using his power for good. I don't know how to
Speaker 3: articulate that, but it was unfortunate and it is sad because,
Speaker 3: like I said, he was one of the most entertaining
Speaker 3: players ever. I love watching Highlands of Brett farm like
Speaker 3: there's no one who grows football harder than him. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know where he's
Speaker 3: at right now and what he's been doing is it's
Speaker 3: super unfortunate and seeing that the set in real time
Speaker 3: we talked to I think that we talked to people
Speaker 3: involved in the lawsuit or at least a part of
Speaker 3: the Mississippi state government who do comment on how unfortunate
Speaker 3: and sad it is that, you know, he's been alleged
Speaker 3: of taking advantage of state funding. So it's a really
Speaker 3: fascinating doc all things considered,