Speaker 1: It's night time with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy
Speaker 1: Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right. During the break when many of you probably
Speaker 2: figure I'm sitting here dreaming because I don't have a
Speaker 2: big production staff with me. Matter of fact, I don't
Speaker 2: have any production staff with me. Rob is back there,
Speaker 2: but he's dealing with all sorts of issues during the break.
Speaker 2: So let me thank Jack from Somerset for calling in.
Speaker 2: Jack was absolutely right. And Tom and Lynn, if you're listening,
Speaker 2: that Infinity car that you bought was somewhere in the
Speaker 2: vicinity of thirty thousand dollars or thirty one thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: That was the MSRP on the car. Okay, Now, after
Speaker 2: six years, the value of the car is reduced to
Speaker 2: ten percent, So ten percent of your thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: car rounding the figure is three thousand dollars, and the
Speaker 2: rate that is set by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts on
Speaker 2: that Infinity car is point zero two five. That means
Speaker 2: that in the sixth year and all ensuing years, you
Speaker 2: will pay point zero two five on a value of
Speaker 2: approximately three thousand dollars. You told me you pay seventy
Speaker 2: two dollars. The calculation that I have is you should
Speaker 2: pay seventy five. So I suspect that they have the
Speaker 2: right number. So that is why Tom, you were paying
Speaker 2: seventy two dollars a year in that car, and that
Speaker 2: figure will remain at seventy two dollars as an excise
Speaker 2: tax for however long you get that car registered in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: That solves that problem. Thanks to Jack for helping us
Speaker 2: out on that. But I've been able to reconfirm with him.
Speaker 2: I reconfirm under Chapter sixty A, Section one. I think
Speaker 2: Jack said it was chapter fifty five, but oh he
Speaker 2: may have said sixty eight. But it's Chapter sixty eight,
Speaker 2: section one. Okay. Now, I have scoured the internet trying
Speaker 2: to find that I was wrong on what Debbie said,
Speaker 2: and that Debbie said the legislature increase. She come up
Speaker 2: with some incredible numbers, sixty four percent, Debbie. I can
Speaker 2: find nothing on the internet, and I've done a pretty
Speaker 2: thorough search. Whilch suggests that anything other any agency other
Speaker 2: than the Department of Public Utilities actually raises, and as
Speaker 2: I explained to you, the utility companies, the energy companies
Speaker 2: file notices of increases or in some cases decreases, but
Speaker 2: most often increases, and then there's hearings, and then the
Speaker 2: Department of Public Utilities approves either the increases as requested
Speaker 2: or recruits improved, or rejects them or improves a part
Speaker 2: of them. That is why it was our politicians, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, who in November were asleep at the switch. Now,
Speaker 2: John Cesto in the Boston Globe wrote a piece that
Speaker 2: I found which talked exactly about this. And again, part
Speaker 2: of it then is created interplays with the with the weather.
Speaker 2: If the weather had been relatively mild this winter, we
Speaker 2: wouldn't have had those increases. So that's the I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if actually I might have been mistaken whether it
Speaker 2: was John or not, but there was an article. It
Speaker 2: was mentioned that back in November the the increases occurred,
Speaker 2: and that's that's the deal, simple as that. Am I
Speaker 2: happy about it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Are you happy about it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: But you got to get more people involved in the process.
Speaker 2: And I think the governor was asleep at this switch.
Speaker 2: Heir and I have you know, been fairly supportive of
Speaker 2: the governor, but I think her people were asleep at
Speaker 2: the switch, and someone should have said to her, you know,
Speaker 2: those increases could come back to bite us if we
Speaker 2: have a bad winter. Maybe they didn't think the winters
Speaker 2: ever knew they would to get bad again. Maybe they
Speaker 2: thought that, you know, the climate change stuff was really
Speaker 2: true and that we were always going to have warmer
Speaker 2: and warmer winters. Not so back to the call as
Speaker 2: we go. Let me see, you're going to go to
Speaker 2: Mike and Taunt and Mike you were first this hour
Speaker 2: and nightside. We're continuing our conversation about the high cost
Speaker 2: of energy this winter in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Mike, good evening, sir, Thank you very much
Speaker 5: for taking a call.
Speaker 4: I'll be quick.
Speaker 2: Sure, Well, thank you for calling. I appreciate it. Go
Speaker 2: right ahead.
Speaker 4: All right, it's not my first time we talked before.
Speaker 5: That's talking about a resource. I got a bill, but
Speaker 5: usage was one hundred and eighty three dollars. That's how
Speaker 5: much I use for that billing period. However, delivery and
Speaker 5: service charge the total bill was going to be eight
Speaker 5: hundred dollars. That's pretty steep for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big build. There's a big bill. Let
Speaker 2: me tell you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, I own a home.
Speaker 4: My wife and I and my daughter. We own a
Speaker 4: home here. It's a four bedroom home. And gassy and wow,
Speaker 4: I follow this website.
Speaker 5: If I'm permitted to say, it's citizens against Citizens against
Speaker 5: ever source.
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm familiar with the group. That's a relatively recent
Speaker 2: group that has organized. Yep.
Speaker 4: Correct, And.
Speaker 5: You know, some of the things that I've read in it.
Speaker 5: I don't believe everything I read, but some of the
Speaker 5: things on it, like the CEO of a company I
Speaker 5: just mentioned is making like eighteen million dollars per year.
Speaker 4: It must be nice to move up the ranks. But
Speaker 4: holy smokes.
Speaker 5: Okay, so for him and the shareholders, for hiving the shareholders,
Speaker 5: I guess that's what they do. But I also understand
Speaker 5: that if your property tax goes up, it may have
Speaker 5: something to do to impact that billing.
Speaker 4: And you know, for for the utilities and stuff.
Speaker 5: A lot of us here in town are on six incomes.
Speaker 4: We're retired, are retired from the state.
Speaker 5: You know, we're on fixed income and and whatnot. It's
Speaker 5: got to be quite stressful on them.
Speaker 2: And so I don't completely agree with you. Here's my
Speaker 2: question to you. Okay, yes, yes, people who are heads
Speaker 2: of big companies tend to earn what you and I
Speaker 2: would see as huge salaries. I have no disagreement with
Speaker 2: your characterization of that. But people uh, in certain positions,
Speaker 2: uh you know who are who are part of companies
Speaker 2: that earn a lot of money, they tend to make
Speaker 2: big salaries. We all, we all, we all understand that.
Speaker 2: I don't know anyone who's going to say, well, I'm
Speaker 2: going to cut my salary in half. Here's my question
Speaker 2: to you. These rates are not imposed by these energy companies.
Speaker 2: They're approved by the Department of Public Utilities in Massachusets.
Speaker 4: I have called them, I have called them, and I have.
Speaker 2: That's not my question, that's not That's not where I'm
Speaker 2: going in this way. Might bear with me for sorry. Okay,
Speaker 2: So these public utilities, the committ the members of the
Speaker 2: the Board of Public Utilities, they're appointed by the politicians.
Speaker 2: They're not appointed by the electric companies. They're appointed by
Speaker 2: the politicians. When these rates were approved in November November Forest,
Speaker 2: someone at the governor's office should have said to the governor,
Speaker 2: you know, governor, let's hope we don't have a cold winter,
Speaker 2: because if we do, energy prices in Massachusetts are going
Speaker 2: to skyrocket. So the politicians are supposed to kind of
Speaker 2: keep an eye. They're supposed to work in our interest,
Speaker 2: and prices go up, it costs more. When the demand
Speaker 2: goes up, it costs more. What I'm trying to say is,
Speaker 2: if you want to channel your frustration, I wouldn't worry
Speaker 2: about the fact that some head of one of these
Speaker 2: big companies is making eighteen million or whatever they're making.
Speaker 2: I would concern about where are the politicians. We live
Speaker 2: in a one party state. Do you think there was
Speaker 2: one politician who who maybe there's one or two that
Speaker 2: we could find that issued a press release that said
Speaker 2: these these increases are not reasonable. You know, this is
Speaker 2: this is reaction. This is like. This is like, for example,
Speaker 2: if you're a Red Sox fan and you bought season
Speaker 2: tickets and you went to every game, and on September first,
Speaker 2: you say, this team stinks. This is a horrible team.
Speaker 2: They're in last place. I paid good money for my
Speaker 2: seats and every time they come to the game they lose.
Speaker 2: It's a little late. The time to talk about the
Speaker 2: team not being good is early in the season. Get
Speaker 2: some better players, get some better get some better politicians.
Speaker 5: Mike Sake sandwiches outside of Fenway a great though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much they cost?
Speaker 5: Oh boy, I don't know. I haven't been there quite
Speaker 5: a while. My dad and I used to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my d jeez, take sandwiches, so you they were
Speaker 2: great sandwiches. But he probably was empty as well. I'm
Speaker 2: only teasing your mic. All I'm just saying is that
Speaker 2: it's the people who are supposed to put the Red
Speaker 2: Sox together, or the Bruins, or the Celtics or the Patriots.
Speaker 2: If they don't do a good job, they get canned.
Speaker 2: We don't can any of our politicians. We keep electing
Speaker 2: the politicians in Massachusetts all the time. I mean.
Speaker 4: To do that.
Speaker 2: Do you remember Kaien Bloom? Do you remember the names
Speaker 2: the name of the Patriot coach after Belichick who was
Speaker 2: fired the day after the seasons?
Speaker 7: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Yeah, one year. That's it. So you know they they
Speaker 2: all I'm just saying, is that blame the politicians and
Speaker 2: blame the fact that we all go to the polls
Speaker 2: and we vote for the same people every time. Well,
Speaker 2: I know him, represent ended up so and so he's
Speaker 2: a great guy. I saw him at the diner last
Speaker 2: summer and he said to me, Hey, buddy, how are
Speaker 2: you great to see you. How's it going? We're idiots.
Speaker 5: I hear you.
Speaker 2: We're we're Mike. We got and we also got to
Speaker 2: look in the mirror and blame ourselves. You know, keep voting,
Speaker 2: keep voting the same people in you think you're gonna
Speaker 2: get different.
Speaker 4: Meetings.
Speaker 5: I've been follow I've been following yourself, Glenn Beck, John Hannity,
Speaker 5: all those guys there, And you know.
Speaker 8: All I canna say is right now.
Speaker 4: Thank god, I hear you.
Speaker 6: I hear you were here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Say no more.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I won't.
Speaker 2: We We had a president. We had a president for
Speaker 2: four years who didn't have a clue.
Speaker 4: Oh this is too busy.
Speaker 2: Ice cream his favorite. His favorite, I think was chocolate chip.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah, Hey, Mike, you're a
Speaker 2: good sport. Hang in your palace. Okay.
Speaker 4: I hope a little bit, Yeah I had.
Speaker 2: I hope. I've had a little bit of fun with you.
Speaker 2: But I'm also I'm deadly serious. Keep keep electing the guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking to you, but I'm talking to the
Speaker 2: people out there who are who are who are listening.
Speaker 2: You know, when you go to the polls and you
Speaker 2: vote for the same guy or gal every time because
Speaker 2: they saw you at the diner, or they saw you
Speaker 2: at the stopping shop supermarket and they said hi to you. Yeah, hey, great.
Speaker 3: To see you.
Speaker 8: How are ye?
Speaker 2: That's that's the game in Massachusetts. They see you at
Speaker 2: the super how's a what? How's the missus and the kids?
Speaker 2: You know, And all of a sudden you go home
Speaker 2: that night and you say to your wife, you know
Speaker 2: who I met today? I met? Is that at a
Speaker 2: Kroma four? What a great guy he said hello to me.
Speaker 2: I gotta remember to vote for him Massachusetts.
Speaker 5: Oh that's what happens. Unfortunately, have a good one, okay,
Speaker 5: all right, follow the money, follow the money.
Speaker 2: You got it? All right? Uh, I'm having fun with this.
Speaker 2: But other than that would be crazy. If you agree
Speaker 2: with me, great, If you don't tell me, tell me
Speaker 2: where I'm wrong, Tell me where I'm wrong. We take
Speaker 2: a break six one seven one, line six one seven
Speaker 2: two five four ten thirty one line six one seven
Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty. We're gonna get to the
Speaker 2: price of eggs in a few minutes, so trust me.
Speaker 2: That's the theme tonight where we have we're paying too much. Okay,
Speaker 2: they're picking our pockets. Remember in Massachusetts. Say it with me.
Speaker 2: The only two things that are taxed are everything that
Speaker 2: moves and everything that doesn't move. We're back on Night's
Speaker 2: side after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go next to Stephen Norfolk. Want to
Speaker 2: move people here a little bit more quickly. Steve, thank
Speaker 2: you very much for your next one Night Side.
Speaker 3: Hi. Hi Dan.
Speaker 6: So uh, well, there's there's I have three different properties
Speaker 6: that I was going to talk about when you were
Speaker 6: talking about winterization. But I also was at my mom's
Speaker 6: and she's in her nineties, and I looked at the
Speaker 6: utility bill and they wanted to change the meter. And
Speaker 6: they say her her efficient see is very low compared
Speaker 6: to her surrounding neighbors. Yet there's a disclaimer that, like,
Speaker 6: we no longer read your meters. So how do they
Speaker 6: come to that conclusion?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I have.
Speaker 2: Your bill sometimes says actual read and then sometimes it
Speaker 2: says estimate.
Speaker 6: Right, so and and and and for some reason they
Speaker 6: want to change the meter. And I don't know what
Speaker 6: the deal is with that. I just saw this.
Speaker 2: I'll give you any let me tell you I think
Speaker 2: I can answer you that question, okay, if I can
Speaker 2: help you here. Under Massachusetts law, gas companies are required
Speaker 2: to change your gas meter. Is your mom got gas
Speaker 2: or electricity or both?
Speaker 6: She has natural gas?
Speaker 2: I believe, Okay, Well, the reason I know that is
Speaker 2: I had my gas meter changed in my house last week.
Speaker 2: I got a call from the National National Grid and
Speaker 2: they said, you know, Massachusetts law requires that your your
Speaker 2: meter be changed every seven years. So the crew came
Speaker 2: out last Friday and changed the meat here. I guess
Speaker 2: those meters at some point lose their efficiency or their
Speaker 2: efficacy and that's so that's all I know about that.
Speaker 6: But that's so, that's that's fine and normal like fixed bat.
Speaker 6: But it's weird how they say, compare to your neighbors,
Speaker 6: you're doing very poorly, and well they could be.
Speaker 2: What they're probably talking about, to be really honest with you,
Speaker 2: is the amount of heat that your mom is using. Okay,
Speaker 2: and look right, when when folks are older, they tend
Speaker 2: to use more heat. I can tell you that that
Speaker 2: that you that's just really you know, and they don't
Speaker 2: take that calculation and consideration. So if your mom is
Speaker 2: is living alone in her nineties in a house. I
Speaker 2: don't know how well isolated.
Speaker 4: The house is, right, No, it's a big house.
Speaker 3: Well it's it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so that's probably yeah, it's probably. She's Now,
Speaker 2: if there's a house down the street where there's a mom,
Speaker 2: a dad and five kids and a dog, just the
Speaker 2: heat that the activity in that house is going to generate,
Speaker 2: is they're going to probably you know, be a little
Speaker 2: more efficient than your mom because your mom's living alone.
Speaker 2: So that's a factory, right right.
Speaker 6: And I also I also have a place on the cape,
Speaker 6: and I got the same thing, like, oh, you did
Speaker 6: really poorly this year, And I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 6: why because it's last year, and they were comparing it
Speaker 6: to last winter. That's what their basis was, and the
Speaker 6: last winter it was mild, very mild.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I get a lot of that too, you know
Speaker 2: that you I don't know how they did. I think
Speaker 2: a lot of that. They tell people they're not doing
Speaker 2: well because they want you to turn the energy down.
Speaker 6: I think I have a customer that I worked for
Speaker 6: and when her husband died, she had a very large
Speaker 6: home in Westwood with five bedrooms. All the kids moved out.
Speaker 6: Her husband died and she was just using one part
Speaker 6: of the house, yep. And she got a letter saying
Speaker 6: you're doing terrible and she goes, don't even use the
Speaker 6: whole house. I just use this one section.
Speaker 2: And uh I think to some extent they kind of
Speaker 2: make it up. And if you are at a large,
Speaker 2: larger house, it's it's going to be caught. It's going
Speaker 2: to cost more so, right.
Speaker 6: And so the other thing about the winterization thing, if
Speaker 6: you want to hear about that, that was like three
Speaker 6: years ago. I had them come out because my furnace
Speaker 6: went where I live now in Northwark, so I have
Speaker 6: no heat and I have a wood stove and uh
Speaker 6: so I got an estimate for doing that and they
Speaker 6: came out and I'm like, well do you want to
Speaker 6: switch over to uh solar? And you know, so they
Speaker 6: did a drone thing all versus is I don't know
Speaker 6: if I should say the company online, I'm on your phone,
Speaker 6: on on the radio or not.
Speaker 2: So they were trying to sell you.
Speaker 6: So they came out and they did. They seem professional
Speaker 6: they can in the attic and and you know one
Speaker 6: company wanted to like so in the name of nature,
Speaker 6: they said, we get to cut down all these trees.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, I forget about it. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 6: like seriously. And then so the next one, I.
Speaker 2: Get this stuff all the time in the mail, if
Speaker 2: you want to switch to more efficient clean energy, Well,
Speaker 2: I can tell you that the clean energy they're going
Speaker 2: to rely upon solar and wind, it's always going to
Speaker 2: cost you more. And they never make it very clear.
Speaker 2: But you feel better. You feel, oh God, I'm using
Speaker 2: clean energy, and all of a sudden you look at
Speaker 2: your bill and it's twenty percent higher. And then you
Speaker 2: call them and you say, well, why can you tell me? Well,
Speaker 2: we figured you knew. I mean, when you get this
Speaker 2: thing in the mail that says, if you'd like to
Speaker 2: switch to clean energy, you'll feel very much better about yourself.
Speaker 4: Until you right.
Speaker 6: And I have the customers the same thing, and they
Speaker 6: like they had that. They had one that went bankrupt
Speaker 6: and they said they didn't have they put up the
Speaker 6: panels and they ran out of money. And so in
Speaker 6: my story what happened was I was going to have
Speaker 6: it done and then so they said, well you get
Speaker 6: to do the roof, and I'm like, well, oh, we'll
Speaker 6: do half the roof for three thousand. I'm like well,
Speaker 6: what's the point and half the roof, hop out the
Speaker 6: whole roofs and they said, okay, we'll do the whole roof,
Speaker 6: and then they gave me a price. It was just
Speaker 6: like that sounds too good to be true kind of thing.
Speaker 6: And I talked to a reeler and she says, don't
Speaker 6: do it because they own that space over your house.
Speaker 6: If you want to sell your house, you have to
Speaker 6: buy them out and or remove the panels, and I'll
Speaker 6: cost you like fifty sixty thousand dollars or something like that.
Speaker 2: Well that's a good heads up. Hey, I'm up on
Speaker 2: my break, Steep. Thank you for colling. Please call again.
Speaker 2: You had a lot of information. We took a little
Speaker 2: agga of time, but it was well worth it, Thank
Speaker 2: you much. The only line opened six one seven nine
Speaker 2: three one ten thirty. Both lines are there six one
Speaker 2: seven nine three one ten thirty. We will go with
Speaker 2: this until eleven. After eleven, we're going to go to
Speaker 2: the price of eggs. And so you want to get
Speaker 2: in get in now. Six one seven nine three one
Speaker 2: ten thirty on your home energy costs in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a piece from two years ago. In
Speaker 2: response to projections about higher energy costs than Massachusetts, several
Speaker 2: state lawmakers have sent a few letters to the Department
Speaker 2: of Public Utilities asking them to reassess how the utility
Speaker 2: rates are set in the state January twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: How did that work out? Guys? The fact in the
Speaker 2: matter is the system is broken here in Massachusetts. State
Speaker 2: Representative John Barrett, Democratic Berkshire said, another guy from Berkshire,
Speaker 2: if there's a way to lower these rates in a
Speaker 2: very timely manner, I think it's important that it gets done.
Speaker 2: State Senator Paul Mark, Democrat Berkshire said, Well, that was
Speaker 2: January twelfth, twenty and twenty three. Nothing has changed. Let's
Speaker 2: keep rolling here. I'm apologizing. I'm I've given called us
Speaker 2: a little extra time, Rick in reading you and next
Speaker 2: on nights, I Rick, appreciate your patience. I apologize.
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, Dan high.
Speaker 2: Good sir, cool.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna sip it quick because I'm about to go
Speaker 9: to bed. I just have a couple of questions that
Speaker 9: I think maybe a question a lot of people are having.
Speaker 9: So typically in private sector, if you're heading a department,
Speaker 9: most likely you're going to be working in day to
Speaker 9: day operation of that department for for quite a bit.
Speaker 9: For example, the senior of Costco he got started as
Speaker 9: a foot cliff driver in the warehouse, and the serial
Speaker 9: of the nankey get started as a retail associate. The
Speaker 9: But I was actually looking at profile of the GPU chair. Uh,
Speaker 9: he was a lawyer, and before that he was he
Speaker 9: was working in academia. We have two commissioners who are
Speaker 9: both working.
Speaker 3: A lawyer for their entire career.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 9: I was thinking, if you were having this very specific
Speaker 9: functional department, why are we appointed or now we But
Speaker 9: why was Governor Healing appointing lawyers attorneys to be the
Speaker 9: head of a departiament and making this position of the
Speaker 9: rating and great approval. This is just something I really
Speaker 9: don't understand.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I can explain it to you. I
Speaker 2: am am looking at this right now even as we speak.
Speaker 2: Politicians make appointments of people who have two qualifications. One
Speaker 2: the politician knows the person who's being appointed, and two,
Speaker 2: the person who is being appointed probably supported the politician,
Speaker 2: either financially or in some other fashion during their campaigns, so.
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter if they actually working the fields or not.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the point you're making is a really
Speaker 2: good one, okay, and I'm not dismissing or diminishing it
Speaker 2: at all. But the reality is that in Massachusetts, you know,
Speaker 2: I hate that. I don't want to be really as
Speaker 2: cynical as I'd like to be, you know, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, but politicians tend to appoint I am
Speaker 2: on the Department of Public Utility site right now, okay,
Speaker 2: And I got to be honest with you. I'm having
Speaker 2: a tough time even finding who the the members of
Speaker 2: the commission are. To be honest with.
Speaker 9: You, change no brand as what h I think his
Speaker 9: name is? The nameless here is mister James nos Grands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know him. I'm just looking. Uh, let
Speaker 2: me see if if I can google this and again.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're gonna You're gonna go through a couple of
Speaker 9: pages to find there to find their names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let me just real quick quickly here members
Speaker 2: of Massachusetts Department of Public Utilities. Uh. You know again,
Speaker 2: what happens is that it's it's not someone who's who
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, it's the same way when they
Speaker 2: appoint judges. They they tend to appoint people who they
Speaker 2: know and who they trust, and who who sees the
Speaker 2: world as they do. You know, I'm I'm looking at
Speaker 2: right here at the Department of Public is a three
Speaker 2: member Yeah, I got it. Here. The chair is James
Speaker 2: vin Nostrom. Let's see if I got anything on him.
Speaker 2: Here spent three years as a members of adjunct faculty
Speaker 2: at the Pace University School of Law in White Plains,
Speaker 2: New York. He was recognized by the Energy Bar Association
Speaker 2: in the two thousand and seven State Regulatory Practitioner of
Speaker 2: the Year. He received his LLM in Environmental Law at.
Speaker 6: Pace University and hes.
Speaker 2: Jd from the Iowa College of Law, and his master's
Speaker 2: degree from Sunny at Albany and an undergraduate degree in
Speaker 2: economics from the University of Northern Iowa. So this is
Speaker 2: a guy who doesn't have much of a connection with Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Let's look at the next person on this group. Commissioner
Speaker 2: Cecil Fraser es now the lawyer. As counsel with the Department,
Speaker 2: she's worked on issues involving New England's wholesale electric markets.
Speaker 2: She received her Bachelors of Arts degree in polside from
Speaker 2: Fordham University and her j d. From Rutgers University in Camden, Okay.
Speaker 2: Then we have a woman named Stacy Rubin. She has
Speaker 2: her Masters of Public Health from Tufts, Masters of Environmental
Speaker 2: Law from Vermont Law School, and an undergraduate degree from
Speaker 2: New York University Law School. So we have three people
Speaker 2: who pretty much were educated outside of Massachusetts who are
Speaker 2: running the Department of Public Utilities. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's interesting.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and also they it doesn't seem doesn't seem to
Speaker 9: me that any of them actually has done one day
Speaker 9: of work related to public utility. Oh well, I mean yeah,
Speaker 9: I believe one of them has been a facilitating certain
Speaker 9: public utility law or whatever, but none of the operation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it would be good to have,
Speaker 2: you know, a group of people who are more connected
Speaker 2: to Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I got, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: this is sort of I don't know how long they're
Speaker 2: appointed for. I don't know how much money they make.
Speaker 2: I suspect they probably get, you know, pretty good salary,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, and I think it's I
Speaker 2: think they've got to be politically connected because they're appointed
Speaker 2: I believe by the governor, not necessarily by this governor.
Speaker 2: She probably has only appointed one of them, and it
Speaker 2: could be that they each get a term of a
Speaker 2: few years. But it's three people. James then Nostrend from Iowa,
Speaker 2: Cecil Fraser from looks like New York and New Jersey,
Speaker 2: and the last lady Stacey Rubin, who seems to be
Speaker 2: from She she did earn a law degree at Northeastern University,
Speaker 2: which is good, and also a degree from Tuft's University
Speaker 2: School of Medicine, a public health degree. But and and
Speaker 2: and and Vermont. So you've made some points. You've made
Speaker 2: some points right now. Everybody now knows their names. Rick.
Speaker 2: I hate to do this to you, man, but but
Speaker 2: I got others I got to get to before this
Speaker 2: hour is up.
Speaker 9: Okay, all right, all right, that's fine, all right, Rick, you.
Speaker 2: Made some great points here. I was stunned that there's
Speaker 2: there's such very slight connections to Massachusetts on the DPU.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I really don't.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll later thank you.
Speaker 2: Rick, appreciate it. Pretty good. Call six one seven two
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I got Frank in Boston and Mike and Beverly, I
Speaker 2: got for you, and I plan to switch to the
Speaker 2: topic of the price of eggs at eleven o'clock. We
Speaker 2: can continue this a little into the eleven o'clock news
Speaker 2: if you want to call in right now, coming back
Speaker 2: on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now, back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on w b Z, the news Radio.
Speaker 2: The Chair of the Deep in Massachusetts was appointed on
Speaker 2: March fifteenth for turn beginning May first, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: He was appointed by Governor Healey. He's the author of
Speaker 2: the Cold Trap, how West Virginia was left behind in
Speaker 2: the clean energy revolution. He's obviously a clean energy guy.
Speaker 2: Cecil Fraser was appointed by Charlie Baker in June of
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, the latest appointment by Governor Healey. Stacy Rubin
Speaker 2: was appointed in April of twenty twenty three, little less
Speaker 2: than two years ago. She was Vice president Environmental Justice
Speaker 2: at the Conservation Law Foundation. I kind of know where
Speaker 2: she's coming from politically. With that's all I need to know.
Speaker 2: Let me go next to Frank and Boston. Frank, I
Speaker 2: apologize for holding you on so long your next year.
Speaker 10: Sure there is a problem to stretch out payments on
Speaker 10: the gas bills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're saying that that, well, they're gonna you can
Speaker 2: do that. You can average them out over the over
Speaker 2: the year, so you you pay a little less in
Speaker 2: the winter and more in the summer, but at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you still pay the total bill.
Speaker 2: And they're also supposedly going to cut rates both for
Speaker 2: National Grid and ever Source about ten percent. That's being done.
Speaker 2: The commission, which is supposed to be in the ister
Speaker 2: of the people, they ordered uh, National Grid and and
Speaker 2: ever Source to cut their rates in the next couple
Speaker 2: of months by five percent, and National Grid and Eversor
Speaker 2: said we'll cut it by ten percent. So we obviously
Speaker 2: have a very weak DPU Commission here in Massachusetts, and
Speaker 2: Governor Healy should fire the three of them at this point.
Speaker 2: If if the companies are willing to cut their rate
Speaker 2: ten percent and these people are only willing to tell
Speaker 2: them to cut their rate five percent, how nuts is that?
Speaker 10: We don't need Governor Healing. How about the commission or
Speaker 10: not the commission, but the part of the legislature that
Speaker 10: oversees these departments, Well, the people should be calling these legislatures.
Speaker 10: And and then another thing too is like we can
Speaker 10: cut our gas usage by you know, going to like
Speaker 10: I think they call them convection ranges and also don't
Speaker 10: use gas, use electricity and more economical.
Speaker 2: How many people? How much does the convection range cost, Frank,
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with that.
Speaker 10: I'm not sure, but I don't think it's that expensive.
Speaker 4: It's only a think.
Speaker 2: I think. I think they're quite and they're quite expensive,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people probably are happy. That's when
Speaker 2: we get into the question of you know, we've got
Speaker 2: cleaner energy. Cleaner energy is a little more expensive. I mean,
Speaker 2: the commission on this uh this uh DPU.
Speaker 10: And it's more controllable. It's more of us controlling it
Speaker 10: and then instead of them controlling us. That's that's the
Speaker 10: point of the game.
Speaker 7: Well maybe maybe you.
Speaker 2: Say, maybe you'll save ten maybe you'll save ten dollars
Speaker 2: a month on your bill, but it will cost you
Speaker 2: three thousand dollars to get it, to get the new
Speaker 2: new range. That's you gotta look at the number.
Speaker 10: Week.
Speaker 2: I don't have the numbers in front of me, Frank,
Speaker 2: And so I don't want to ask. I don't want
Speaker 2: to advise anybody to spend a lot of money unless
Speaker 2: I know that they're gonna they're going to recapture that
Speaker 2: money on the other.
Speaker 10: End, But we get these things that tell us you're
Speaker 10: using more gas in your neighbor. That means that we
Speaker 10: need to or re examine our.
Speaker 1: Our our.
Speaker 10: Building's efficiency and so we can do something for ourselves.
Speaker 8: And now go ahead, I mean, Frank.
Speaker 2: I would suggest, and when do you buy? When are
Speaker 2: you going to buy a convection of him?
Speaker 10: Yes, sir, okay's supposed to be even healthier.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna buy one?
Speaker 10: I supposed to be poisoning us?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna buy one? Frank? Frank, I got a
Speaker 2: simple question. Try to stick with me for a second.
Speaker 2: When are you buying.
Speaker 10: It in the next few months?
Speaker 2: Do me a favor. When you buy it, will you
Speaker 2: call me back and let me know how much it
Speaker 2: costs and then how much it saves in the bill.
Speaker 2: I'd appreciate that.
Speaker 10: Okay, I'm surprised that you don't have one. I mean,
Speaker 10: you're seem to be a guy who would be somebody
Speaker 10: who would be into new technology.
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm kind of a traditional guy. I like
Speaker 2: to find stuff that works, and when people come out
Speaker 2: with new stuff, I just want to make sure it works.
Speaker 2: I'm one of those guys who probably uh you know,
Speaker 2: looks before. I'm kind of a look before I leap guy, Frank.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Frank, I got a couple
Speaker 2: more I gotta sneak in. I'm gonna talk to you soon,
Speaker 2: but call me back. You know how much how that
Speaker 2: Evan works? Okay, thanks, thank you much. Let me go
Speaker 2: next to get Mike and Beverly and Mike, you're quick,
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 8: Well, go ahead, Mike, Hey, Dan, how are previous carler?
Speaker 8: Let me let me know how that works over you
Speaker 8: by that stove.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, That's what I was asking, Mike. I
Speaker 2: hear you.
Speaker 8: But anyway, as far as this whole DPU thing goes,
Speaker 8: you know, I mean like they're out of their mind
Speaker 8: about the situation one. I saw a story about this
Speaker 8: the other day, and it has to deal with the
Speaker 8: delivery fee. Is the fee that chiding you to pay
Speaker 8: for the mass stave program that everyone else getting that
Speaker 8: free insulation and all that sort of stuff going on.
Speaker 8: So we're paying for other people's stuff. That's how that's
Speaker 8: going on. That's situasion.
Speaker 2: Well well that may be true, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: have you taken advantage of that program?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Way?
Speaker 8: Okay, Well I can't afford the house, then that's why.
Speaker 2: Oh well if you don't have a house, that makes
Speaker 2: no Do you rent? Is that what you rent?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I rent?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay? Uh and do you on your rent? Does
Speaker 2: your rent cover the gas and electric or do you
Speaker 2: pay a renting in the gas and electric separate?
Speaker 9: No, it's part of event.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, how much you how much you're renting up
Speaker 2: in Beverly? How expensive it is to rent a nice
Speaker 2: place in Beverly.
Speaker 8: I'm paying fifteen hundred for a room, then.
Speaker 2: Fifteen hundred just for one room. That's a lot.
Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm on your side, Mike. I hope
Speaker 2: you know that. But that was a comment that was
Speaker 2: empathetic and sympathetic to you. That's a lot of money
Speaker 2: for a single room.
Speaker 3: Tell me about it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean she said the one out by a recause.
Speaker 8: It's not at below market rate, it's market rate. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean you know, yeah, it's it's it's retarded. Yeah,
Speaker 8: And then you know, Mari heal, I don't understand the
Speaker 8: soldiers rage or she's out of her mind, you know,
Speaker 8: or the how affordable housing she wants to build affordable
Speaker 8: houses and goes who can afford affordable housing? It's ten
Speaker 8: grand to get it, to get a kid to move in,
Speaker 8: you know, for us last charity seven behind the credits.
Speaker 2: Hey, Mike, I want to get in there and get
Speaker 2: on this show. Okay, thanks have me going fighting for you.
Speaker 2: Thanks Mike, appreciate it. Let me go next to Daryl.
Speaker 2: Get rid of some of these DPU commissioners. Get get
Speaker 2: some new people in there who at least have some
Speaker 2: connection in Massachusetts. Daryl, you're next on night Side, Daryl.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 7: Hey Dan, you're talking about power meters and whatnot, and
Speaker 7: uh but yeah, the new power meters. They're trying to
Speaker 7: push them on because they're called smart meters, yep. And
Speaker 7: what they do is they can actually control it from
Speaker 7: one central location as opposed to even the ones people
Speaker 7: have where they just drive by, and they can actually
Speaker 7: get the power reading. And but if you look at it,
Speaker 7: when they actually get all this, I'm not doing a
Speaker 7: conspiracy thing, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4: It's a but with all.
Speaker 7: The continued power emphasis then you actually have to. It
Speaker 7: costs more to get new power boxes in and power masts,
Speaker 7: and if you have a house, that's probably about minimum
Speaker 7: ten thousand dollars for a new installation, right, money, a
Speaker 7: lot of money. But going back to the ranges and
Speaker 7: all the electric stoves, yep, have the old grill type
Speaker 7: and or the gas stove because those are the best
Speaker 7: for cooking eggs.
Speaker 2: That's well, no, that's a nice segue because next hour
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the price of eggs. Darryl,
Speaker 2: thank you much. That's a perfect segue to the next hour.
Speaker 2: Thanks Darryl. Talk soon. Here comes the eleven o'clock news,
Speaker 2: and right after the news, we will talk about cooking
Speaker 2: eggs and the price of eggs back on night Side
Speaker 2: after this.
Speaker 5: It's nice side.
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Speaker 2: Now we are going to talk about the price of
Speaker 2: eggs in this hour. But I got one caller who
Speaker 2: I want to give an opportunity to talk about high
Speaker 2: energy prices. Elijah, who's in New Bedford. Elijah, you are
Speaker 2: next on Nightside. I'll let you in here and you
Speaker 2: can talk about either energy or eggs or both, whatever
Speaker 2: you'd like. Go right ahead, My friend.
Speaker 3: As long as he keeps going up, I think I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to lay an egg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we'll all have to try to figure that out.
Speaker 3: No. Absolutely, And so my name is Elijah and I
Speaker 3: represent it Isness against Egosaurs. It's the group started to
Speaker 3: try to, you know, get organized and get situated with
Speaker 3: what's going on with the prices of energy. We grew
Speaker 3: from you know, zero to twenty six thousand members now
Speaker 3: in about twenty three days. And that just you know,
Speaker 3: demonstrates the level of anxiety and frustration and fear and
Speaker 3: desperation that the people have. And that's fully representative in
Speaker 3: the rapid growth that we've been experiencing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we've talked about this. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you listen to some of the callers in the
Speaker 2: last couple of hour. The governor made a speech today
Speaker 2: that the Chamber of Commerce he was going to file legislation.
Speaker 2: My question is, and if you've been listening, you've heard
Speaker 2: me ask the question, and that is, why are the
Speaker 2: politicians asleep at the switch? Have you looked at the
Speaker 2: three members of the DPU Department of Public Utilities. They're
Speaker 2: the ones that raised these rates in November and I
Speaker 2: don't recall any outcry from the politicians who are up
Speaker 2: at Beacon Hill is supposed to look after our interest
Speaker 2: as citizens and as taxpayers and his right payers.
Speaker 3: Well here is a thing. You know, they're going to
Speaker 3: do their song and dance and their political shuffle on
Speaker 3: to pretend like they truly care. But the reality is
Speaker 3: is that after that rate hike, one of the biggest
Speaker 3: rate heights in Massachusetts issue was passed on November first,
Speaker 3: politicians went ahead and passed as twenty nine sixty seven,
Speaker 3: which is another bill associated with energy, which is loaded
Speaker 3: and loaded with infrastructure hikes, and that was passed on
Speaker 3: November fourteenth, fourteen days after that you know, initial big
Speaker 3: rate hike, and then we got another way.
Speaker 2: I always say, what did what did that bill reportedly
Speaker 2: accomplish it? What was the purpose of that bill? If
Speaker 2: you're going to if you.
Speaker 3: Know so, the crux of that bill as it's word,
Speaker 3: as it's named, is basically about infra infrastructure for you know,
Speaker 3: the Clean Energy Initiative and consumer protections. But as it
Speaker 3: happens within the legislative branch, we know that certain things
Speaker 3: get gutted, you know, so they can actually be approved.
Speaker 3: There was two predecessors to this bill, but in this
Speaker 3: final version they kept the name with the final tagline
Speaker 3: that you know in consumer protection laws, but they gutted
Speaker 3: all those consumer protection laws before this bill actually got
Speaker 3: signed and enacted and more really did sign it on
Speaker 3: November twenty first. So either they're ignorant of the bills
Speaker 3: that they're signing, or they're complacent in their evaluation of
Speaker 3: the bills that they're signing. So either way, you're.
Speaker 2: Dont a lot of Elijah. I don't think they're ignorant.
Speaker 2: I think they know exactly what they're doing because this
Speaker 2: is their job. It's their full time job. You know,
Speaker 2: in a lot of other states around the country, politicians
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire, for example, the legislature they're paid each
Speaker 2: they have four hundred members of their legislature out there.
Speaker 2: It's a joint legislature and they get like one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars a year. That's their salary. It's a stipend. Oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it. That's it. And the idea is you serve
Speaker 2: a couple of terms in the legislature and you're able
Speaker 2: to say you're a former you know, state representative or
Speaker 2: all of that. But down here, most of the politicians
Speaker 2: are making well into the six figures and they it's
Speaker 2: their full time job and they're supposed to look out
Speaker 2: for this stuff. And I didn't hear any hue and
Speaker 2: cry from the legislature. Now maybe they thought, well, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. We've had mile winters around here. But guess what,
Speaker 2: sometimes we have a cold and we're having one right now.
Speaker 2: And who's paying the price. Not the legislators because they
Speaker 2: get reelected all the time. It's people like us who,
Speaker 2: you know, hope that there's someone up there paying attention.
Speaker 2: You know, where is where is the Governor's secretary of
Speaker 2: Energy on this? The governor today gave this speech at
Speaker 2: the Chamber of Commerce and she she was very short
Speaker 2: on specifics as to what she's going to do, and
Speaker 2: there was no forethought. And it's like, you know, she'll
Speaker 2: file some legislation which we'll say, let's give some coupons
Speaker 2: to people or whatever. But it's really frustrating. It's really
Speaker 2: frustrating both as as somebody who watches the legislature. It's
Speaker 2: frustrating to me, and I'm sure it's frustrating to you.
Speaker 2: You're you're just getting involved in the political process. You've got,
Speaker 2: you know, quite a group of people that are with you.
Speaker 2: I hope you can keep together and and and become activists.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's break it down from the beginning, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, they passed this law and then, like I said,
Speaker 3: two weeks later, they ended up signing another law, which
Speaker 3: is that s twenty nine to sixty seven, which those
Speaker 3: rate heights we yet to feel, and we will feel
Speaker 3: them in April May around the apel May because it
Speaker 3: takes about ninety days after a bill is initiated, and
Speaker 3: for this specific dolar bill that has a bunch of infrastructure,
Speaker 3: you know, they are permits that need to be found,
Speaker 3: so it takes a little bit longer for those bills
Speaker 3: to actually hit us. So they're gonna hit us. They're
Speaker 3: gonna hit us within that May April May period where
Speaker 3: we won't feel them as much, but they'll still be
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: Electricity is gonna kick in now with air conditioners and
Speaker 3: things in the summer, so you know, the prices are
Speaker 3: going to be fully blown out. And I don't know
Speaker 3: what citizens are going to do because even now, while
Speaker 3: they're screening at the top of their lungs, the only
Speaker 3: thing that the legislature and more Heally I will to
Speaker 3: do is gave another way awight plan through a five
Speaker 3: percent discount which got kicked backed now a ten percent
Speaker 3: discount with National Grid attaching interest to you know, there's
Speaker 3: discount plan which we're going to have to be back
Speaker 3: in April for National Grid customers with interest, which I mean,
Speaker 3: you can make the argument that's absolutely predatory. I mean,
Speaker 3: the citizens are screaming up the top.
Speaker 4: Of the well.
Speaker 2: I want you to react to this, and then I'm
Speaker 2: going to let you go. The DPU commissioners, who were
Speaker 2: appointed by Governor Healey and Governor Baker, ordered the utilities,
Speaker 2: not just ever Source in National Grid, but Unitil to
Speaker 2: to basically, uh cut prices by five percent. That's what
Speaker 2: our DPU commissioners did, cut prices by five percent. And
Speaker 2: in the case of National Grid and ever Source, I
Speaker 2: don't know about Unitil and some of the other smaller companies,
Speaker 2: they said five percent, We're going to cut it by
Speaker 2: ten percent. So you had the regulators who were so weak,
Speaker 2: they're telling these companies cut it by five percent and
Speaker 2: we'll be happy, and the and the companies are saying, no,
Speaker 2: we'll give you a cut of ten percent. Now you're
Speaker 2: right there. They're going to eventually get that money back.
Speaker 2: But why would the DPU commissioners be so uh so
Speaker 2: kind to the to the big companies. Why would they
Speaker 2: not have said ten percent or more? That's what's crazy.
Speaker 2: I was Governor Heally. I I was Governor Heally. Based
Speaker 2: upon that, I would say, you have you're not functioning
Speaker 2: in the interest of the consumers, and thank you for
Speaker 2: your service, but I'm firing all three of you. I'm
Speaker 2: going to point I'm going to point a new board.
Speaker 2: That's what I would do.
Speaker 3: Well, if she wasn't complicit in, you know, this sort
Speaker 3: of coordination, then she might do that. But unfortunately to
Speaker 3: the commissioners were appointed by her, and we can see that,
Speaker 3: you know, by the evidence, like you just mentioned that,
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like they're reacting properly in the fake
Speaker 3: of public interest. And why that is, well, these relationships
Speaker 3: have certainly been corrupted over the years, and they've gotten
Speaker 3: too close to each other to the point that they're
Speaker 3: now sleeping in the same bed and they're not protecting
Speaker 3: the American people. And this is why I started the organization.
Speaker 3: Like I mentioned, to the moaning against every source on
Speaker 3: Facebook dot com because I want the people to know
Speaker 3: that there are things that we can do. The DP
Speaker 3: actually lists on their website their petitions that have a
Speaker 3: source and a national good, and all the other gas
Speaker 3: and electric companies filed before any of these rate hikes
Speaker 3: are passed, and we actually had the legal right to
Speaker 3: go on there file complaints style comments, and in a
Speaker 3: perfect world where the system actually protects us, we're able
Speaker 3: to block some of these rate hikes based on financial hardships.
Speaker 3: Now I would imagine, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Elijah, I hate to do this to you, but
Speaker 2: I'm waving this conversation. Guy who feels this deeply. I
Speaker 2: appreciate your You're calling in and we will talk again.
Speaker 3: Okay, Hafick, thank you for much. Daniel, a great show.
Speaker 3: We'll talk Tom.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Alasha, talk to you soon. Good night. All right,
Speaker 2: when we come back, I want to talk about I'm
Speaker 2: going to change topics and we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: the price of eggs. They have gone up dramatically, and
Speaker 2: today Donald Trump's secretary of Agriculture. Her name is Brooke Rollins.
Speaker 2: She wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal and
Speaker 2: she's actually proposed some ideas as to what she can
Speaker 2: do to help bring the price of eggs down. I
Speaker 2: want to get your reaction to it. I'd love to
Speaker 2: know what are you doing. I'll tell you this. I
Speaker 2: was in a store yesterday, No, maybe I was in
Speaker 2: a I was in a store yesterday, and I just
Speaker 2: looked at some of the prices in the store. And
Speaker 2: you know what we have to do. We have to
Speaker 2: turn around his consumers and say, guess what, I'm not
Speaker 2: buying those products anymore. There are items that I used
Speaker 2: to buy. I'm talking about grocery items stores. Guess what,
Speaker 2: I don't have to buy the same brands that I
Speaker 2: used to buy. Uh. And if enough of us looked
Speaker 2: at some of these companies who have jacked their prices up,
Speaker 2: particularly in you know, cookie isle and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You go down those aisles, you know, it's tough when
Speaker 2: you have kids. You have to buy the milk. And
Speaker 2: there's certain products I think that we all need to buy,
Speaker 2: things like orange juice and things like that that are
Speaker 2: good for you, and fruits and vegetables. But uh, let's
Speaker 2: let's ask consumers be a little smarter, and we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about that. We're gonna talk about the price of eggs,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna keep going right after this break of
Speaker 2: night Side