WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.919 Oh is it showtime? 2 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:10.599 People say good money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.400 When they go out to a theater, they want cold, 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:17.199 hot popcorn and no monsters in the protection booth. 5 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.199 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 6 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:40.840 You add to a. 7 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:43.200 Very strange crime at Walt disney World. 8 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.920 Bargerick burglary, grand theft and trafficking and stolen property iconic 9 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.320 only one on the planet, Where did he go? 10 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:56.200 The unwanted tourists part of a. 11 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.000 Growing subculture called urban explorers. 12 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.399 You start to get bored of just the normal experience, 13 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.359 and then you start thinking, well, what else can I do? 14 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:07.359 I risk my freedom, I risked my life, but I 15 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.760 want to show people things that they normally can't see. 16 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:14.640 My God, we started doing these adventures in theme park exploration. 17 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:18.159 Man, it just caught on fire and it led. 18 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:24.280 To all of this, a bombshell investigation feeling from the 19 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:25.760 happiest place on Earth. 20 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:29.519 It's a cast of taking costumes and memorabilia. Why because 21 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.760 of high demand on the black market. Disney black market 22 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:35.920 has kind of always been a thing. But Buzzy's a 23 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:36.680 different story. 24 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:40.239 Buzzy is Fuzzy Man. 25 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:43.680 Buzzy, the animatronic from Epcot's Closed Wonders of Life attraction 26 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:44.560 was stolen? 27 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:52.159 You ever put this on either him? You are the 28 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.239 picture you see. Disney is this happy, colorable place. 29 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.359 Even though Disney's a place of fantasy, it is not 30 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:58.319 immune to crime. 31 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:09.000 Disney. 32 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:10.919 If someone did just come and take it, then you 33 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:13.120 just felt the Ocean's eleven of Walt Disney World. 34 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:23.319 Did you steal Buzzy? 35 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.840 Hey, folks, welcome to a special episode of The Projection Booth. 36 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.400 I'm your host Mike White. On this episode, I'm talking 37 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.800 with Joshua Bailey. He is the director of the new 38 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:38.639 documentary Stolen Kingdom. It is a great doc all about 39 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:44.719 the misdeeds and debauchery at Walt Disney World resort. Not 40 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:48.520 that much debauchery, I guess, unless you count stealing things, 41 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:53.560 violating property laws. Yeah, just that kind of stuff. It 42 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.319 is fascinating. I had a great time watching this, and 43 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.639 I hope you have a great time listening to this interview. 44 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:02.360 Definitely check out Stolen Kingdom if it is coming to 45 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:06.319 your town or when it starts to stream. Thanks so 46 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.520 much for listening. Of course, I started this interview off 47 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:13.479 by asking Joshua how he got involved in making films. 48 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.599 I've always been interested in filming since I was a child. 49 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:19.039 I grew up in Tampa, Florida, and moved here to 50 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:22.280 Orlando because it was the closest film program that I 51 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:27.159 could realistically get accepted into. Didn't matter because I dropped 52 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:32.199 out and got caught in the nine to five trap 53 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:36.039 for a while live, so I just worked odd jobs. 54 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:40.199 Still this whole time, wanting to make films and writing 55 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:45.240 down ideas for documentaries and even scripts for documentaries. This 56 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:47.439 is my first film, so I'm only just now getting 57 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:49.639 around to it. I started shooting this when I was 58 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:53.759 twenty six, and I'm turning thirty, so it's just been 59 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.280 a long road to get here. But I wanted to 60 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:00.680 do filmmaking since probably elementary middle school. 61 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:03.560 Were there any particular films that you saw that really 62 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:04.960 were an inspiration for you? 63 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:06.080 Yeah? 64 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.840 Actually, Jurassic Park was the first time I watched the 65 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:10.800 film and thought, wow, I want to make a film. 66 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:12.840 I still remember the date of my parents brought it 67 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:16.279 home and handed mere THEHS take and I ran upstairs. 68 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:21.199 So are lost. I was really into dinosaurs, probably too young. 69 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:26.120 I have watched it, but things were different. Steven Spilberg. 70 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.759 In general, I would say that's probably pretty common people 71 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:31.639 my age. We definitely grew up with a lot of 72 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:36.319 those films a little before our time. The kids. Yeah, 73 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:37.959 we're still enamored, still growing. 74 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.480 You said that you write down ideas for documentaries. When 75 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:43.279 did you become a fan of documentaries. 76 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.639 I think it was in pandem with these Spielberg films 77 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.519 and a lot of those other kind of blockbusters from 78 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.240 the eighties and nineties of that caliber. They would have 79 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:58.879 a bonus feature sometimes like a full disc like the 80 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:03.839 Indiana Jones Box for example, a fourth Old Boss. It's 81 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:07.199 just that's really what got me into documents. I was 82 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:11.160 just really interested in that world and real like, sometimes 83 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:15.279 the truth is stranger than fiction world. I got really 84 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.560 into that, and Tiger King happened in twenty twenty, and 85 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.480 it just like really changed everything for a lot of people. 86 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.439 I think it's become like popcorn cinema. Fortunately, I'm really 87 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.680 glad that it's become like a legitimate form of media 88 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:29.759 for a lot of people, as opposed to like PBS stocks. 89 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:31.079 So I think it was just really lucky to have 90 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.639 grown up in an era where documentaries evolved, and then 91 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:38.360 just beginning to start my own career and back to 92 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.519 get evolved again and turned into what some people refer 93 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:43.920 to as this golden era of documentary. 94 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:46.800 Where did you first hear about what had been going 95 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:48.759 on at Disney World? 96 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:53.439 We are so fortunate to have been here when the 97 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:57.360 story happened. We weren't involved in this story per se. 98 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.879 We were there while it was happening and were already 99 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.240 communicating with these people before some of the crimes in 100 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.279 the film even happened. So I always say that this 101 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.480 story tom about. We didn't find the story because I 102 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:14.600 grew up, like I had mentioned, interested in film theme 103 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:16.439 parks a little bit as well, because sometimes there'd be 104 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.560 a theme park attraction like jaw as a great movie 105 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:22.480 role literally based on a film and worked at the 106 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:25.720 theme parks. But I was also interested in hardcore punk 107 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.480 and skateboarding and the convergence of those things some of 108 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.920 the subjects of this film. So I had, like I 109 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:35.199 grew up watching some of these people's YouTube videos they've 110 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.920 been posting in twenty twelve and thirteen. I call it 111 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:42.079 the dark Side era. Leonard Kinsey and Florida Urban Exploration 112 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:45.639 was very popular, and some of them started to get banned. 113 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:47.600 I was coming right out of high school. I was 114 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:50.959 like seventeen eighteen around then, so it was natural to 115 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.920 know about some of the history and who Gibson and 116 00:06:56.079 --> 00:07:01.279 their horizon exploits in Masavery times. That was a legend 117 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.800 in the community. So I was already entrenched in this 118 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:09.240 Disney fan community and it started to happen again. And 119 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.199 I lived here in Orlando. I had worked at the parks. 120 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.279 I don't think I did at the time. And everyone 121 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:18.560 wants to know. It was either fascination or anger with him, 122 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.000 because some people were so prostrated that he was posting 123 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.600 what he was posting. We loved it, and we just 124 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:26.560 wanted to meet the guy, and then we wanted to 125 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.040 know more about him. Matt Sansois, who I think is 126 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.000 one of the most interesting people in the film, were 127 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.519 one of the most daring. He put it all out there, 128 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:35.959 like we knew his name. He shows his face on camera, 129 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.079 but it was what you get with him look back 130 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:42.800 to our Disney. It was like, well, what what is this? 131 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:45.160 Is he our age? Is he not? We'd thought that 132 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.959 he might be around our age, and it turns out yeah. 133 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:49.920 So we met Patrick and he I think he's the 134 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.639 same age as me, or maybe a year older, very 135 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:56.319 camp at everything we thought because we had grown up 136 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:58.839 with Adam the Woo and Leonard Kinsey and these guys 137 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:02.079 were like cool older dudes with tattoos. And then we 138 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:03.759 just met Patrick and he was just like an a 139 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:08.480 Fello cast member. He was like twenty three at the time. 140 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.680 How do you do all of this stuff so young? 141 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:17.319 And it's pretty daring And maybe he could say stupid 142 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:20.399 because we had wanted to do that, right, Like I mentioned, 143 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:22.680 growing up watching this stuff, we thought, man, that would 144 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.360 be really cool to jump out of this rider go 145 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:28.920 by in the scenes here, and he just started to 146 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.679 show us pictures and explain how he does it. Not 147 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:36.000 the stuff that we couldn't have done. We just weren't 148 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.320 brave enough or stupid enough, depending on who you are 149 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.679 and what you believe. But he showed us the clothes, 150 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.919 the buzzy clothes had been stolen, and mentioned interest in 151 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:53.000 the animatronic and shortly after that he was arrested in 152 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:58.000 that interrogation video that's seen in the film My favorite art, 153 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:02.320 like the standout where he gets tackled by the police, 154 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:05.080 and we never talked to him again, is what we thought, 155 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:10.200 until we thought, let's finally make this film. Yeah, it 156 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.559 was just it happened all around us. When the animatronic 157 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.879 went missing and we saw the news reported on Twitter, 158 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:19.480 we all freaked out because we had just been shown 159 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.159 like a few months prior to close, and we didn't 160 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.039 think that Patrick was capable of doing that thing. But 161 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:27.240 we just felt like we were like some kind of 162 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:29.840 accomplices to this dangerous crime. 163 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.679 So what was that final impetus that you said, Okay, 164 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:35.559 I need to pick up a camera. I need to 165 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.879 make this my first future length documentary. 166 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:40.799 It was that night that we met Patrick, So we 167 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.200 had decided before the Buzzy ematronic even went missing. I 168 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.120 think that took it a step further. But we had 169 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.960 thought that the urban exploring world was interesting, and it's 170 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.639 a fascinating undergrad community of people doing something where you 171 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.080 know the exact outcome. It's that you're going to get 172 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:00.159 banned and at worst get arrested and charged with a 173 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.600 felony trespassed, but they still do it. Anyways. We were like, 174 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:06.759 that's pretty surface level, that's interesting. But he opened our 175 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:11.639 eyes to this black market community of celebrities and other 176 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:16.080 rich collectors. It's making calls and I we first met 177 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:17.919 him saying I found this, I could maybe get you 178 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:19.919 this and showing stuff in the back of his trunk 179 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:22.720 things and that was I was like, okay, now this 180 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.480 needs to be a documentary because I'm not sure if 181 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:31.159 the urban exploring thing could maybe be a full feature doc. 182 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.919 But this combined with that is is something else. And 183 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:36.759 then the buzzy stuff happened and it was over. We 184 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.919 had to wait. We couldn't get to Patrick because of 185 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.440 the crimes and the arrests and court records and things, 186 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:43.639 so we did have to wait a little bit, and 187 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:46.200 then COVID happened. But yeah, we decided that night in 188 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:48.200 twenty eighteen. It was like August twenty eighteen. 189 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.320 Did the pandemic help you in any way as far 190 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:55.360 as like gathering your material or start editing or were 191 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.759 you just completely on a standstill? 192 00:10:57.840 --> 00:10:58.720 I would say it helped. 193 00:10:58.759 --> 00:10:58.960 Yeah. 194 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:03.720 It gave us time to really develop the idea. And 195 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:07.879 that's why I, me and Matthew Serranot have writing credits 196 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:10.519 on it, because we really did develop a script. So 197 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.519 I took all that time, like I had mentioned, coming 198 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:16.320 out of high school writing documentary scripts and ideas. I 199 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:19.399 wrote a script basically what I thought this film could 200 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:24.360 look like and I think marinating on that idea could 201 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:27.120 help and the structure in the end. Now with the 202 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.240 final product, it really is like I have a rough 203 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.919 outline screenshot on my phone. Still it's basically the same. 204 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.960 There's some little things we moved around for pacing because 205 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:39.879 it makes it a little quicker and bringing that buzzy 206 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.360 stuff up towards the front of the film, but yeah, 207 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:45.200 it's really the same. And we also just didn't have 208 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:49.759 much of a choice. The court hearing was maybe twenty nineteen, 209 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.519 so then we had to wait a year, so we 210 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.320 didn't get any of the materials from the discovery for 211 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:00.759 the Patrick deaths until twenty twenty anyways, and then we 212 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.960 spent that time figuring it out, and in early twenty 213 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:05.799 twenty one we actually started shooting. 214 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:10.120 Now, was it making this documentary when so many of 215 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:14.519 the people that you interview are basically doing illegal things? 216 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.759 Are they okay talking with you? Or do you have 217 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:18.759 to have a whole song and dance to get them 218 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:19.799 to come on camera? 219 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.000 Basically, everyone except the journalists and this film is a 220 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:26.840 criminal of a varying degree, So you can imagine that 221 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.960 what we went through, it was. I guess it, Varied. 222 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:33.120 It was a little bit of a song and dance. 223 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.559 We tried to be very respectful of everyone's concerns. Having 224 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.120 never done this before, we didn't have a lot of confidence, 225 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:43.399 I think, regardless of documentary filmmakers and not lawyers. So 226 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:45.159 even if I had done this a few times, I 227 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:47.840 don't think I could confidently I'll go ahead and talk 228 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:50.440 about that crime. We just said, hey, if you don't 229 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.080 want to talk about it, that's okay. See it varied Patrick. 230 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.399 You'll notice there's two interviews with him. There's actually a 231 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.279 third over zoom. He came back to us and he said, Okay, 232 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:02.720 I think I can talk about this now. But that 233 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:06.440 first interview we didn't really push him. We knew that 234 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.320 there were things that he was giving, like a really 235 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.080 pr response or maybe an attorney advised response to things, 236 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.639 and we're like, that's maybe not what happened, or you're 237 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.639 leaving out some details. But we couldn't really point it 238 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:23.360 out because we understood like he was answering questions that 239 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:24.159 way for a reason. 240 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:27.240 As far as the footage goes, how did you mention 241 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:28.600 the thing at the police station? 242 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:29.399 How do you get that? 243 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.480 How do you are they just all fine giving you 244 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:36.639 their personal footage as far as their adventures, their spied 245 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:37.399 lunking as it. 246 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.840 Were, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, We're lucky that everyone in 247 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.360 the filmness of ideographer in their own rights. So we 248 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:47.480 had accessed all of that footage through them, and they 249 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:50.480 were really cooperative, even like Matt Sansois, who was like 250 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:53.679 a little more mysterious and a loose He came around 251 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.159 and was like, yeah, go ahead and use whatever you need, 252 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:01.759 the police footage and other things body cam interrogation cameras 253 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.840 and then the other records I was mentioning and we 254 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:08.399 have a huge discovery report with all the details from 255 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:13.799 the crimes. That stuff we learned about requesting through public records. 256 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.200 So we went to Orange County in the public requists 257 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:20.600 and the state Attorney's office, and that's actually how we 258 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:23.039 got a lot of the stuff that you see from 259 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:26.519 Patrick from his cell phone. We had already acquired it 260 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:29.919 before we even interviewed him because they did a cell 261 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:34.120 phone extraction and took out all the relevant photos and things. 262 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:36.639 Did you have many problems when it comes to the 263 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:41.080 actual video codecs and Primate used older because some of 264 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.039 this footage goes back a ways. 265 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.720 I don't think anything's ever ideal and documentary filmmaking, So 266 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.879 it would have been ideal to take like the master 267 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:53.279 tapes of Who Chiefs Exploits from ninety nine, and there's 268 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.799 even some earlier footage from ninety seven and ninety four, 269 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:00.120 to take those first generation VHS tapes and then you 270 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.759 transfer them and then put those in the film. But 271 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:07.360 I don't think Dave even has those. I mentioned a 272 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.039 couple of times trying to see if I could do that. 273 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.440 I don't know where those are, man, damn. So we 274 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.600 have the YouTube video rips of those, and then there's 275 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:23.039 a couple first generation VHS transfers, and then yeah, all 276 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:27.120 the digital stuff from the twenty ten's and then later on, 277 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:29.960 luckily when we get into the later stuff with Matt songs, 278 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.240 when Patrick spikes, it becomes higher quality. But yeah, there's 279 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.360 some stuff ripped from YouTube because even the people that 280 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.960 shot it don't have the original files. Yeah, we've learned 281 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:42.360 a lot about that in the post production process. Originally 282 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:44.919 we were going to work with the producer and director 283 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.679 Photography brand and Pickering. He had cut a sizzle reel 284 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:51.639 for us, and then none of us were getting paid 285 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:54.159 to do any of the stuff. So we shot it. 286 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.519 He had cut that sissle reel and we pitched it 287 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.600 around and he had intended to edit it, and then 288 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.279 he was like, man, I have to and if he 289 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:08.000 does cam up on reality television stuff and all kinds 290 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:12.399 of other nonscripted content for TLC and nat GEO and 291 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.480 all these things. So he was like literally out. He 292 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.000 is also from the central Florida area, so he had 293 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:19.440 to play out and do all of that stuff. So 294 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:23.360 we started working with Matthew Serrano who worked on defunk 295 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:25.919 Land and did a short film on Hot and Chief. 296 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:29.039 There's guy Willy Patton and Austin who also helped us, 297 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:33.600 Matthew Kazinski and Naked Breaker in the end did like 298 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:38.159 our finishing pass at it and really paste it out. 299 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.000 So yeah, four really talented editors, all different steps of 300 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:43.320 the process. The first Matthew Serrano helped just like with 301 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:45.120 the rough cut and then sent it off to and 302 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:47.840 got to do a finer cut, so on and so forth. 303 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:50.440 Were there many people that you tried to talk to 304 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:52.440 that you were unable to get on camera? 305 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:55.200 Yeah, there was a lot. I think when we started 306 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:59.559 we had thought it would be a little different. Like 307 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:02.399 the the outline was still the same and all of 308 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:06.559 the chapters are still there. But I think because there 309 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:09.759 were certain people that we wanted to get, we maybe 310 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:13.039 thought the black market section, when we talk about selling 311 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:16.519 props stealing props, maybe that would turn out a little different. 312 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.839 That is where we got into really hairy territory with 313 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:24.799 people as far as speaking on the crimes goes, because 314 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:29.279 there were people that just would not be interviewed at all. Obviously, 315 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.240 Robin Lopez is in the doc who unknowingly bought stolen 316 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.119 props from Patrick. I don't know if he didn't want 317 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.319 to do an interview or it just would not be 318 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.920 wise to speak on this, which I like, I didn't 319 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.240 think that we would get him. There's no way that 320 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.839 an NBA team is going to allow him to speak 321 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.920 on this. Those were the biggest. There was a really 322 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:56.799 interesting person that Patrick thinks deals in this black market world, 323 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:01.519 and Patrick did sell stolen things too, and we really 324 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:03.480 wanted to him and I think that would have maybe 325 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.119 changed things a little bit, or pointed at a potential 326 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.519 interested buyer and Buzzy or Buzzy's clothes, things like that. 327 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:14.279 But yeah, we couldn't get I think he's very aware. 328 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:17.799 Yeah, I love that Buzzy's bear through life, through this 329 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.039 whole thing, but then you're able to just weave around 330 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:24.319 it and explore so many different aspects. I just thought 331 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:27.240 that the structure of the documentary was really compelling. 332 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:30.960 Thank you how much. Yeah, we try really hard to Yeah, 333 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:33.240 to have that throughout. That was something that we struggled with. 334 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.319 Is keeping that kind of the main It's like the 335 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:38.920 it was like the boiling point of this whole thing. 336 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:42.720 That's not necessarily about him, because who in chief back 337 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.240 in ninety nine really were that first domino that tipped? 338 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.200 But it all leads to him, So all roads do 339 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:49.119 lead to Buzzy. 340 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.359 Are people still doing this? Are they still doing this 341 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.759 kind of urban exploration at Disney World? 342 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:58.200 I am not exactly sure. I do try and keep 343 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:00.839 a finger on the pulse of this world, but I'm 344 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:05.559 sure that people are still urban exploring, taking props, removing 345 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.799 props and selling them on the black market. Urban exploring 346 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:13.400 and posting online I have not seen, but I'm sure 347 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.640 people are doing it, and I'm sure that they will 348 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:20.640 get posted maybe years later. I think people have learned, 349 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.480 they will adapt, They won't go to Discovery Island anymore, 350 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.720 maybe because there's trail cameras and things. But I think 351 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.119 they'll adapt, and I think maybe videos have been filmed 352 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:32.200 that will be posted in a year or two or three. 353 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:34.839 What are some of the biggest lessons that you learned 354 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.240 from this that you can apply to your next feature. 355 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.680 Just a general like organization, having all of the right 356 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:48.960 post perduption processes in place. We learnt the law so 357 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.920 the film and trusting them and respecting them, foreign relationships 358 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.799 with them. It's really easy to watch something like Tiger 359 00:19:55.920 --> 00:20:01.559 King and really want that interview moment the Jinks. There's 360 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:06.079 another great documentary with some amazing moments with Robert Durst 361 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:08.920 where there it's not necessarily gotcha moments, but it's just 362 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:12.079 like wow, and it's really enticing to want that. But 363 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.759 I think that maybe sets a bad example. I think 364 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.000 Tiger King definitely sets a bad example for documentary ethics. 365 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:24.039 While very entertaining, don't try and make the next Tiger King. 366 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:28.480 Just respect everyone in the film, which I think we 367 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:33.000 learned very quickly, and I just everything about the post process, 368 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:36.839 having all our contracts in place, all of our organization, 369 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:41.960 all of our archival was really difficult. Lots. This is 370 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:44.279 the first thing I've ever made. I hadn't made like 371 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.680 a handful of short films before this. People do like 372 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:50.759 they make short films leading up to a feature, but 373 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:53.079 I just doped straight into this feature because the subject 374 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:53.880 was too perfect. 375 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:57.039 Tell me that moment when you actually get to see 376 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.079 this with an audience for the first time, How does 377 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:00.000 that feel for you? 378 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.400 Yeah, that was why that just happened a month ago. 379 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.400 It was extremely nervous, but it was incredible. It was 380 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:11.400 really rewarding. We showed it at Big Sky in Missoula, Montana, 381 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.680 and it was like, it's a pretty low key documentary festivals. 382 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:19.880 It's just documentary filmmakers. So it was a nice first 383 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.279 time seeing it. It was this big historic theater. We 384 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:25.119 did a quick sound check and we just played the 385 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:28.839 opening credits. It was like really surreal seeing even just 386 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:32.200 like a minute of it and you know, just watching 387 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.559 it and hearing people laugh. Yeah, very surreal. We showed 388 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:39.680 it again a week later as Los Angeles Wild. Like 389 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:41.319 the first one was in a very small theater and 390 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.880 people were laughing like really loud, like really reacting to 391 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.000 the film, and people showed up like wearing Disney merch 392 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:55.359 and things. Imagine ears came and talked afterwards. It's unbelievable. 393 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:58.079 You dream your whole life about this kind of thing. 394 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:00.079 If you wish to be a filmmaker, this is what 395 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.079 you're always dreaming up. Showing your film is very surreal. 396 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.119 You mentioned before we started recording that here about to 397 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:09.319 pick up again and show it some more festivals. What 398 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:10.839 are some of the ones coming up that. 399 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:14.279 You can share showing at Florida film festivals? The opening 400 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:17.079 night film on April eleventh, which is a huge honor 401 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:22.200