Speaker 1: Oh is it showtime?
Speaker 2: People say good money to see this movie.
Speaker 3: When they go out to a theater, they want cold,
Speaker 3: hot popcorn and no monsters in the protection booth.
Speaker 4: Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.
Speaker 5: You add to a.
Speaker 6: Very strange crime at Walt disney World.
Speaker 1: Bargerick burglary, grand theft and trafficking and stolen property iconic
Speaker 1: only one on the planet, Where did he go?
Speaker 2: The unwanted tourists part of a.
Speaker 5: Growing subculture called urban explorers.
Speaker 4: You start to get bored of just the normal experience,
Speaker 4: and then you start thinking, well, what else can I do?
Speaker 1: I risk my freedom, I risked my life, but I
Speaker 1: want to show people things that they normally can't see.
Speaker 3: My God, we started doing these adventures in theme park exploration.
Speaker 1: Man, it just caught on fire and it led.
Speaker 4: To all of this, a bombshell investigation feeling from the
Speaker 4: happiest place on Earth.
Speaker 1: It's a cast of taking costumes and memorabilia. Why because
Speaker 1: of high demand on the black market. Disney black market
Speaker 1: has kind of always been a thing. But Buzzy's a
Speaker 1: different story.
Speaker 2: Buzzy is Fuzzy Man.
Speaker 4: Buzzy, the animatronic from Epcot's Closed Wonders of Life attraction
Speaker 4: was stolen?
Speaker 2: You ever put this on either him? You are the
Speaker 2: picture you see. Disney is this happy, colorable place.
Speaker 4: Even though Disney's a place of fantasy, it is not
Speaker 4: immune to crime.
Speaker 5: Disney.
Speaker 4: If someone did just come and take it, then you
Speaker 4: just felt the Ocean's eleven of Walt Disney World.
Speaker 2: Did you steal Buzzy?
Speaker 4: Hey, folks, welcome to a special episode of The Projection Booth.
Speaker 4: I'm your host Mike White. On this episode, I'm talking
Speaker 4: with Joshua Bailey. He is the director of the new
Speaker 4: documentary Stolen Kingdom. It is a great doc all about
Speaker 4: the misdeeds and debauchery at Walt Disney World resort. Not
Speaker 4: that much debauchery, I guess, unless you count stealing things,
Speaker 4: violating property laws. Yeah, just that kind of stuff. It
Speaker 4: is fascinating. I had a great time watching this, and
Speaker 4: I hope you have a great time listening to this interview.
Speaker 4: Definitely check out Stolen Kingdom if it is coming to
Speaker 4: your town or when it starts to stream. Thanks so
Speaker 4: much for listening. Of course, I started this interview off
Speaker 4: by asking Joshua how he got involved in making films.
Speaker 1: I've always been interested in filming since I was a child.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Tampa, Florida, and moved here to
Speaker 1: Orlando because it was the closest film program that I
Speaker 1: could realistically get accepted into. Didn't matter because I dropped
Speaker 1: out and got caught in the nine to five trap
Speaker 1: for a while live, so I just worked odd jobs.
Speaker 1: Still this whole time, wanting to make films and writing
Speaker 1: down ideas for documentaries and even scripts for documentaries. This
Speaker 1: is my first film, so I'm only just now getting
Speaker 1: around to it. I started shooting this when I was
Speaker 1: twenty six, and I'm turning thirty, so it's just been
Speaker 1: a long road to get here. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: do filmmaking since probably elementary middle school.
Speaker 4: Were there any particular films that you saw that really
Speaker 4: were an inspiration for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Actually, Jurassic Park was the first time I watched the
Speaker 1: film and thought, wow, I want to make a film.
Speaker 1: I still remember the date of my parents brought it
Speaker 1: home and handed mere THEHS take and I ran upstairs.
Speaker 1: So are lost. I was really into dinosaurs, probably too young.
Speaker 1: I have watched it, but things were different. Steven Spilberg.
Speaker 1: In general, I would say that's probably pretty common people
Speaker 1: my age. We definitely grew up with a lot of
Speaker 1: those films a little before our time. The kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're still enamored, still growing.
Speaker 4: You said that you write down ideas for documentaries. When
Speaker 4: did you become a fan of documentaries.
Speaker 1: I think it was in pandem with these Spielberg films
Speaker 1: and a lot of those other kind of blockbusters from
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties of that caliber. They would have
Speaker 1: a bonus feature sometimes like a full disc like the
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones Box for example, a fourth Old Boss. It's
Speaker 1: just that's really what got me into documents. I was
Speaker 1: just really interested in that world and real like, sometimes
Speaker 1: the truth is stranger than fiction world. I got really
Speaker 1: into that, and Tiger King happened in twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: it just like really changed everything for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I think it's become like popcorn cinema. Fortunately, I'm really
Speaker 1: glad that it's become like a legitimate form of media
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, as opposed to like PBS stocks.
Speaker 1: So I think it was just really lucky to have
Speaker 1: grown up in an era where documentaries evolved, and then
Speaker 1: just beginning to start my own career and back to
Speaker 1: get evolved again and turned into what some people refer
Speaker 1: to as this golden era of documentary.
Speaker 4: Where did you first hear about what had been going
Speaker 4: on at Disney World?
Speaker 1: We are so fortunate to have been here when the
Speaker 1: story happened. We weren't involved in this story per se.
Speaker 1: We were there while it was happening and were already
Speaker 1: communicating with these people before some of the crimes in
Speaker 1: the film even happened. So I always say that this
Speaker 1: story tom about. We didn't find the story because I
Speaker 1: grew up, like I had mentioned, interested in film theme
Speaker 1: parks a little bit as well, because sometimes there'd be
Speaker 1: a theme park attraction like jaw as a great movie
Speaker 1: role literally based on a film and worked at the
Speaker 1: theme parks. But I was also interested in hardcore punk
Speaker 1: and skateboarding and the convergence of those things some of
Speaker 1: the subjects of this film. So I had, like I
Speaker 1: grew up watching some of these people's YouTube videos they've
Speaker 1: been posting in twenty twelve and thirteen. I call it
Speaker 1: the dark Side era. Leonard Kinsey and Florida Urban Exploration
Speaker 1: was very popular, and some of them started to get banned.
Speaker 1: I was coming right out of high school. I was
Speaker 1: like seventeen eighteen around then, so it was natural to
Speaker 1: know about some of the history and who Gibson and
Speaker 1: their horizon exploits in Masavery times. That was a legend
Speaker 1: in the community. So I was already entrenched in this
Speaker 1: Disney fan community and it started to happen again. And
Speaker 1: I lived here in Orlando. I had worked at the parks.
Speaker 1: I don't think I did at the time. And everyone
Speaker 1: wants to know. It was either fascination or anger with him,
Speaker 1: because some people were so prostrated that he was posting
Speaker 1: what he was posting. We loved it, and we just
Speaker 1: wanted to meet the guy, and then we wanted to
Speaker 1: know more about him. Matt Sansois, who I think is
Speaker 1: one of the most interesting people in the film, were
Speaker 1: one of the most daring. He put it all out there,
Speaker 1: like we knew his name. He shows his face on camera,
Speaker 1: but it was what you get with him look back
Speaker 1: to our Disney. It was like, well, what what is this?
Speaker 1: Is he our age? Is he not? We'd thought that
Speaker 1: he might be around our age, and it turns out yeah.
Speaker 1: So we met Patrick and he I think he's the
Speaker 1: same age as me, or maybe a year older, very
Speaker 1: camp at everything we thought because we had grown up
Speaker 1: with Adam the Woo and Leonard Kinsey and these guys
Speaker 1: were like cool older dudes with tattoos. And then we
Speaker 1: just met Patrick and he was just like an a
Speaker 1: Fello cast member. He was like twenty three at the time.
Speaker 1: How do you do all of this stuff so young?
Speaker 1: And it's pretty daring And maybe he could say stupid
Speaker 1: because we had wanted to do that, right, Like I mentioned,
Speaker 1: growing up watching this stuff, we thought, man, that would
Speaker 1: be really cool to jump out of this rider go
Speaker 1: by in the scenes here, and he just started to
Speaker 1: show us pictures and explain how he does it. Not
Speaker 1: the stuff that we couldn't have done. We just weren't
Speaker 1: brave enough or stupid enough, depending on who you are
Speaker 1: and what you believe. But he showed us the clothes,
Speaker 1: the buzzy clothes had been stolen, and mentioned interest in
Speaker 1: the animatronic and shortly after that he was arrested in
Speaker 1: that interrogation video that's seen in the film My favorite art,
Speaker 1: like the standout where he gets tackled by the police,
Speaker 1: and we never talked to him again, is what we thought,
Speaker 1: until we thought, let's finally make this film. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just it happened all around us. When the animatronic
Speaker 1: went missing and we saw the news reported on Twitter,
Speaker 1: we all freaked out because we had just been shown
Speaker 1: like a few months prior to close, and we didn't
Speaker 1: think that Patrick was capable of doing that thing. But
Speaker 1: we just felt like we were like some kind of
Speaker 1: accomplices to this dangerous crime.
Speaker 4: So what was that final impetus that you said, Okay,
Speaker 4: I need to pick up a camera. I need to
Speaker 4: make this my first future length documentary.
Speaker 1: It was that night that we met Patrick, So we
Speaker 1: had decided before the Buzzy ematronic even went missing. I
Speaker 1: think that took it a step further. But we had
Speaker 1: thought that the urban exploring world was interesting, and it's
Speaker 1: a fascinating undergrad community of people doing something where you
Speaker 1: know the exact outcome. It's that you're going to get
Speaker 1: banned and at worst get arrested and charged with a
Speaker 1: felony trespassed, but they still do it. Anyways. We were like,
Speaker 1: that's pretty surface level, that's interesting. But he opened our
Speaker 1: eyes to this black market community of celebrities and other
Speaker 1: rich collectors. It's making calls and I we first met
Speaker 1: him saying I found this, I could maybe get you
Speaker 1: this and showing stuff in the back of his trunk
Speaker 1: things and that was I was like, okay, now this
Speaker 1: needs to be a documentary because I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: the urban exploring thing could maybe be a full feature doc.
Speaker 1: But this combined with that is is something else. And
Speaker 1: then the buzzy stuff happened and it was over. We
Speaker 1: had to wait. We couldn't get to Patrick because of
Speaker 1: the crimes and the arrests and court records and things,
Speaker 1: so we did have to wait a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then COVID happened. But yeah, we decided that night in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. It was like August twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4: Did the pandemic help you in any way as far
Speaker 4: as like gathering your material or start editing or were
Speaker 4: you just completely on a standstill?
Speaker 1: I would say it helped.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It gave us time to really develop the idea. And
Speaker 1: that's why I, me and Matthew Serranot have writing credits
Speaker 1: on it, because we really did develop a script. So
Speaker 1: I took all that time, like I had mentioned, coming
Speaker 1: out of high school writing documentary scripts and ideas. I
Speaker 1: wrote a script basically what I thought this film could
Speaker 1: look like and I think marinating on that idea could
Speaker 1: help and the structure in the end. Now with the
Speaker 1: final product, it really is like I have a rough
Speaker 1: outline screenshot on my phone. Still it's basically the same.
Speaker 1: There's some little things we moved around for pacing because
Speaker 1: it makes it a little quicker and bringing that buzzy
Speaker 1: stuff up towards the front of the film, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really the same. And we also just didn't have
Speaker 1: much of a choice. The court hearing was maybe twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: so then we had to wait a year, so we
Speaker 1: didn't get any of the materials from the discovery for
Speaker 1: the Patrick deaths until twenty twenty anyways, and then we
Speaker 1: spent that time figuring it out, and in early twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one we actually started shooting.
Speaker 4: Now, was it making this documentary when so many of
Speaker 4: the people that you interview are basically doing illegal things?
Speaker 4: Are they okay talking with you? Or do you have
Speaker 4: to have a whole song and dance to get them
Speaker 4: to come on camera?
Speaker 1: Basically, everyone except the journalists and this film is a
Speaker 1: criminal of a varying degree, So you can imagine that
Speaker 1: what we went through, it was. I guess it, Varied.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of a song and dance.
Speaker 1: We tried to be very respectful of everyone's concerns. Having
Speaker 1: never done this before, we didn't have a lot of confidence,
Speaker 1: I think, regardless of documentary filmmakers and not lawyers. So
Speaker 1: even if I had done this a few times, I
Speaker 1: don't think I could confidently I'll go ahead and talk
Speaker 1: about that crime. We just said, hey, if you don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it, that's okay. See it varied Patrick.
Speaker 1: You'll notice there's two interviews with him. There's actually a
Speaker 1: third over zoom. He came back to us and he said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I can talk about this now. But that
Speaker 1: first interview we didn't really push him. We knew that
Speaker 1: there were things that he was giving, like a really
Speaker 1: pr response or maybe an attorney advised response to things,
Speaker 1: and we're like, that's maybe not what happened, or you're
Speaker 1: leaving out some details. But we couldn't really point it
Speaker 1: out because we understood like he was answering questions that
Speaker 1: way for a reason.
Speaker 4: As far as the footage goes, how did you mention
Speaker 4: the thing at the police station?
Speaker 1: How do you get that?
Speaker 4: How do you are they just all fine giving you
Speaker 4: their personal footage as far as their adventures, their spied
Speaker 4: lunking as it.
Speaker 1: Were, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, We're lucky that everyone in
Speaker 1: the filmness of ideographer in their own rights. So we
Speaker 1: had accessed all of that footage through them, and they
Speaker 1: were really cooperative, even like Matt Sansois, who was like
Speaker 1: a little more mysterious and a loose He came around
Speaker 1: and was like, yeah, go ahead and use whatever you need,
Speaker 1: the police footage and other things body cam interrogation cameras
Speaker 1: and then the other records I was mentioning and we
Speaker 1: have a huge discovery report with all the details from
Speaker 1: the crimes. That stuff we learned about requesting through public records.
Speaker 1: So we went to Orange County in the public requists
Speaker 1: and the state Attorney's office, and that's actually how we
Speaker 1: got a lot of the stuff that you see from
Speaker 1: Patrick from his cell phone. We had already acquired it
Speaker 1: before we even interviewed him because they did a cell
Speaker 1: phone extraction and took out all the relevant photos and things.
Speaker 4: Did you have many problems when it comes to the
Speaker 4: actual video codecs and Primate used older because some of
Speaker 4: this footage goes back a ways.
Speaker 1: I don't think anything's ever ideal and documentary filmmaking, So
Speaker 1: it would have been ideal to take like the master
Speaker 1: tapes of Who Chiefs Exploits from ninety nine, and there's
Speaker 1: even some earlier footage from ninety seven and ninety four,
Speaker 1: to take those first generation VHS tapes and then you
Speaker 1: transfer them and then put those in the film. But
Speaker 1: I don't think Dave even has those. I mentioned a
Speaker 1: couple of times trying to see if I could do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know where those are, man, damn. So we
Speaker 1: have the YouTube video rips of those, and then there's
Speaker 1: a couple first generation VHS transfers, and then yeah, all
Speaker 1: the digital stuff from the twenty ten's and then later on,
Speaker 1: luckily when we get into the later stuff with Matt songs,
Speaker 1: when Patrick spikes, it becomes higher quality. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: some stuff ripped from YouTube because even the people that
Speaker 1: shot it don't have the original files. Yeah, we've learned
Speaker 1: a lot about that in the post production process. Originally
Speaker 1: we were going to work with the producer and director
Speaker 1: Photography brand and Pickering. He had cut a sizzle reel
Speaker 1: for us, and then none of us were getting paid
Speaker 1: to do any of the stuff. So we shot it.
Speaker 1: He had cut that sissle reel and we pitched it
Speaker 1: around and he had intended to edit it, and then
Speaker 1: he was like, man, I have to and if he
Speaker 1: does cam up on reality television stuff and all kinds
Speaker 1: of other nonscripted content for TLC and nat GEO and
Speaker 1: all these things. So he was like literally out. He
Speaker 1: is also from the central Florida area, so he had
Speaker 1: to play out and do all of that stuff. So
Speaker 1: we started working with Matthew Serrano who worked on defunk
Speaker 1: Land and did a short film on Hot and Chief.
Speaker 1: There's guy Willy Patton and Austin who also helped us,
Speaker 1: Matthew Kazinski and Naked Breaker in the end did like
Speaker 1: our finishing pass at it and really paste it out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, four really talented editors, all different steps of
Speaker 1: the process. The first Matthew Serrano helped just like with
Speaker 1: the rough cut and then sent it off to and
Speaker 1: got to do a finer cut, so on and so forth.
Speaker 4: Were there many people that you tried to talk to
Speaker 4: that you were unable to get on camera?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot. I think when we started
Speaker 1: we had thought it would be a little different. Like
Speaker 1: the the outline was still the same and all of
Speaker 1: the chapters are still there. But I think because there
Speaker 1: were certain people that we wanted to get, we maybe
Speaker 1: thought the black market section, when we talk about selling
Speaker 1: props stealing props, maybe that would turn out a little different.
Speaker 1: That is where we got into really hairy territory with
Speaker 1: people as far as speaking on the crimes goes, because
Speaker 1: there were people that just would not be interviewed at all. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Robin Lopez is in the doc who unknowingly bought stolen
Speaker 1: props from Patrick. I don't know if he didn't want
Speaker 1: to do an interview or it just would not be
Speaker 1: wise to speak on this, which I like, I didn't
Speaker 1: think that we would get him. There's no way that
Speaker 1: an NBA team is going to allow him to speak
Speaker 1: on this. Those were the biggest. There was a really
Speaker 1: interesting person that Patrick thinks deals in this black market world,
Speaker 1: and Patrick did sell stolen things too, and we really
Speaker 1: wanted to him and I think that would have maybe
Speaker 1: changed things a little bit, or pointed at a potential
Speaker 1: interested buyer and Buzzy or Buzzy's clothes, things like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we couldn't get I think he's very aware.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that Buzzy's bear through life, through this
Speaker 4: whole thing, but then you're able to just weave around
Speaker 4: it and explore so many different aspects. I just thought
Speaker 4: that the structure of the documentary was really compelling.
Speaker 1: Thank you how much. Yeah, we try really hard to Yeah,
Speaker 1: to have that throughout. That was something that we struggled with.
Speaker 1: Is keeping that kind of the main It's like the
Speaker 1: it was like the boiling point of this whole thing.
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily about him, because who in chief back
Speaker 1: in ninety nine really were that first domino that tipped?
Speaker 1: But it all leads to him, So all roads do
Speaker 1: lead to Buzzy.
Speaker 4: Are people still doing this? Are they still doing this
Speaker 4: kind of urban exploration at Disney World?
Speaker 1: I am not exactly sure. I do try and keep
Speaker 1: a finger on the pulse of this world, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure that people are still urban exploring, taking props, removing
Speaker 1: props and selling them on the black market. Urban exploring
Speaker 1: and posting online I have not seen, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: people are doing it, and I'm sure that they will
Speaker 1: get posted maybe years later. I think people have learned,
Speaker 1: they will adapt, They won't go to Discovery Island anymore,
Speaker 1: maybe because there's trail cameras and things. But I think
Speaker 1: they'll adapt, and I think maybe videos have been filmed
Speaker 1: that will be posted in a year or two or three.
Speaker 4: What are some of the biggest lessons that you learned
Speaker 4: from this that you can apply to your next feature.
Speaker 1: Just a general like organization, having all of the right
Speaker 1: post perduption processes in place. We learnt the law so
Speaker 1: the film and trusting them and respecting them, foreign relationships
Speaker 1: with them. It's really easy to watch something like Tiger
Speaker 1: King and really want that interview moment the Jinks. There's
Speaker 1: another great documentary with some amazing moments with Robert Durst
Speaker 1: where there it's not necessarily gotcha moments, but it's just
Speaker 1: like wow, and it's really enticing to want that. But
Speaker 1: I think that maybe sets a bad example. I think
Speaker 1: Tiger King definitely sets a bad example for documentary ethics.
Speaker 1: While very entertaining, don't try and make the next Tiger King.
Speaker 1: Just respect everyone in the film, which I think we
Speaker 1: learned very quickly, and I just everything about the post process,
Speaker 1: having all our contracts in place, all of our organization,
Speaker 1: all of our archival was really difficult. Lots. This is
Speaker 1: the first thing I've ever made. I hadn't made like
Speaker 1: a handful of short films before this. People do like
Speaker 1: they make short films leading up to a feature, but
Speaker 1: I just doped straight into this feature because the subject
Speaker 1: was too perfect.
Speaker 4: Tell me that moment when you actually get to see
Speaker 4: this with an audience for the first time, How does
Speaker 4: that feel for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was why that just happened a month ago.
Speaker 1: It was extremely nervous, but it was incredible. It was
Speaker 1: really rewarding. We showed it at Big Sky in Missoula, Montana,
Speaker 1: and it was like, it's a pretty low key documentary festivals.
Speaker 1: It's just documentary filmmakers. So it was a nice first
Speaker 1: time seeing it. It was this big historic theater. We
Speaker 1: did a quick sound check and we just played the
Speaker 1: opening credits. It was like really surreal seeing even just
Speaker 1: like a minute of it and you know, just watching
Speaker 1: it and hearing people laugh. Yeah, very surreal. We showed
Speaker 1: it again a week later as Los Angeles Wild. Like
Speaker 1: the first one was in a very small theater and
Speaker 1: people were laughing like really loud, like really reacting to
Speaker 1: the film, and people showed up like wearing Disney merch
Speaker 1: and things. Imagine ears came and talked afterwards. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: You dream your whole life about this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: If you wish to be a filmmaker, this is what
Speaker 1: you're always dreaming up. Showing your film is very surreal.
Speaker 4: You mentioned before we started recording that here about to
Speaker 4: pick up again and show it some more festivals. What
Speaker 4: are some of the ones coming up that.
Speaker 1: You can share showing at Florida film festivals? The opening
Speaker 1: night film on April eleventh, which is a huge honor
Speaker 1: by Home Stage Film Festival Opening Night that's also in Orlando.
Speaker 1: It's technically in Maitland, Florida at the ens In Theater,
Speaker 1: but in the greater Orlando area. So for Walt Disney World,
Speaker 1: it's a homecoming because we're thirty or so miles up
Speaker 1: by four, which would probably take you like an hour
Speaker 1: and a half because of Florida traffic. But I hope
Speaker 1: we'll get a lot of Disney fans coming out, and
Speaker 1: then we're at a few other festivals right after that,
Speaker 1: but it'll be announced soon, so I'm very excited. Just
Speaker 1: some of their regional ish festivals around the country, and
Speaker 1: then who knows where from?
Speaker 4: Is there a good place for people to keep up
Speaker 4: on where the screenings are happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a website Stolen kingdomfilm dot com. I'll
Speaker 1: list screenings on the screenings tab as they get announced,
Speaker 1: and the best way is our Instagram page, which is
Speaker 1: just at stolntin Film. So that'll be like story posts
Speaker 1: and any kind of more important minute to minute updates
Speaker 1: on Do.
Speaker 4: You already have the subject for your next film picked out?
Speaker 1: I've got two pitch decks just sitting on my computer developing,
Speaker 1: and then I guess some other stuff as well. I
Speaker 1: would like to dip into narrative filmmaking and do some
Speaker 1: real scripted stuff at a certain point. I have a
Speaker 1: lot to learn. So this is my film school since
Speaker 1: I dropped out of film school. This is my real
Speaker 1: film school making these first few films. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: do well.
Speaker 4: I hope you ninety five is being very supportive as
Speaker 4: far as you're going off to film festivals and that
Speaker 4: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: They are, luckily. Yeah, they're pretty nice. I do graphic design,
Speaker 1: so it's a fun thing. I make my art and
Speaker 1: submit it and they're very supportive.
Speaker 4: J just thank you so much for your time. This
Speaker 4: is so great talking with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much.
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