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<v Speaker 1>It's night side who Dan Ray, I'm WBS Costin's Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back, everybody. It's a little bit after

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock on a Friday night. It is Friday, November eighth,

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<v Speaker 2>those of you who are keeping score, and the election

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<v Speaker 2>is behind us, and I think we all should be

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<v Speaker 2>happy for that. However, it worked out because if you

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<v Speaker 2>remember twenty twenty, at this time, we were all trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out who had won. It looked as if

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden had won, but it wasn't official. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>made official that Biden had won until Saturday, Saturday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>if my memory is correct, and I think it is so,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems we talked about this last night. Seems to

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<v Speaker 2>have been settled. It was decisive. We talked about last night,

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<v Speaker 2>and we may get back to some of that tonight

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<v Speaker 2>at ten o'clock, because that, I know is on people's minds,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do hope you talk about it over Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll talk about that, I'm sure before Thanksgiving. Just

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<v Speaker 2>take a big deep breath that he can exhale. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine if right now it was you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>were a couple of states out and one was at

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<v Speaker 2>two sixty four, and one was at two sixty three,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was depending upon hanging jads or votes. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>enough of that, I want to talk about the teachers strike,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to put it in some context, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And I am going to tell you that probably some

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that I'm going to say are not

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<v Speaker 2>going to make teachers happy. But that's not my job

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<v Speaker 2>here at Nightside. My job is to generate some conversation

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<v Speaker 2>and make people think about a subject matter. And the

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<v Speaker 2>subject matter at this point is the families, the children

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<v Speaker 2>and the families and the parents of people who live

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<v Speaker 2>in the three communities north of Boston which are now

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<v Speaker 2>affected by teacher strikes in some form of fashion. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about Marblehead, which has been on strike or

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<v Speaker 2>is on strike, Gloucester and Beverly. Marblehead is the latest

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<v Speaker 2>to join, and I guess technically they're not quite on

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<v Speaker 2>strike yet, but they released a statement tonight which I'll

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<v Speaker 2>read a little bit here just to get a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of fairness to them. Massachusetts Marblehead Education Association votes to

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<v Speaker 2>authorize strike effective Tuesday if no agreement is reached over

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<v Speaker 2>the holiday weekend. So we can't say that they're all

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<v Speaker 2>on strike. But the local president up there said our

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<v Speaker 2>schools are in crisis, and the educators of Marblehead have

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<v Speaker 2>collectively said enough is enough. After seven months of negotiations,

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<v Speaker 2>we're no closer to a solution and the school committee

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<v Speaker 2>has failed to recognize the urgency of the situation. Our

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<v Speaker 2>schools need fear wages. Okay, it's not the schools who

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<v Speaker 2>get the wages. It's the teachers who get the wages

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<v Speaker 2>and the administrators. But that's okay, that's euphemisms safe working conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize that it was dangerous to work in

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<v Speaker 2>Marblehead schools if there are problems with the safety that

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be addressed and adequate resources to meet the

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<v Speaker 2>needs of our students, and I don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there are they lacking supplies, you know, paper, computers?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. And because of their refusal, I assume

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<v Speaker 2>it's referencing the school committee. We must take action to

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<v Speaker 2>protect the future of our community. Okay, they talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the starting salary for kindergarten pair of professionals is currently

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen thousand, three hundred and thirty eight dollars, and our

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<v Speaker 2>tutors who provide critical services for special education students earn

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<v Speaker 2>only twenty seven thousand dollars a year, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>committee's refusing to allow us our existing to access our existence, bereavement,

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<v Speaker 2>lee for pregnancy loss. It is beyond the pale and

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<v Speaker 2>they should be ashamed. Well again, this is a statement

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<v Speaker 2>from the teachers Union in Marvel Head. Here's the deal,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm interested in hearing from you, those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who live in Newton. You went through a teacher strike

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<v Speaker 2>last January, and my recollection is that that teacher strike

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<v Speaker 2>lasted nearly three weeks, three weeks after school vacation, after

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<v Speaker 2>the holiday vacation, Christmas vacation, and they were back in

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<v Speaker 2>school for a few days and then out on strike.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember at the time that the mayor up there,

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<v Speaker 2>Ruth inn was very, very extremely upset. Ruth Iann Fuller.

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<v Speaker 2>She's longtime mayor of Newton and considered, you know, supportive

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<v Speaker 2>generally of public education. She's a pretty progressive Democrat. Not

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<v Speaker 2>that there's any Republicans who could become mayor of Newton.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very democratic city. And the parents had they

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<v Speaker 2>were caught unawares. There are a lot of families that

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<v Speaker 2>need two jobs uh to uh to to pay the

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<v Speaker 2>property taxes in a city like Newton, or a city

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<v Speaker 2>like marble a town like Marblehead or or Beverly or

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<v Speaker 2>or Gloucester. UH that the salaries of the school department

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<v Speaker 2>is paid for by the in those towns. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of commercial industry in any of those towns,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no consideration of what are the parents going

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<v Speaker 2>to do? As I mentioned to Nicole Davis during the

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<v Speaker 2>during the eight o'clock hour, UH. In days gone by,

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<v Speaker 2>there always was a nuclear family nearby. Siblings, you know, brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, adults, brothers and sisters, and you could leave

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<v Speaker 2>a child or two child or two children over with

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<v Speaker 2>a sibling with their with their cousins or they're all

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<v Speaker 2>out of school or whatever. Maybe they might have and

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<v Speaker 2>some aunts or some grandmothers or grandfathers. Well, today people

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<v Speaker 2>live quite far away. Families are the nuclear family is

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<v Speaker 2>quite different than it was once. But there's very little

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<v Speaker 2>consideration given to the parents. And I honestly believe, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that the teachers unions aren't gonna happy happy

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<v Speaker 2>for me to say this. I honestly believe that this

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<v Speaker 2>is about the teachers' salaries, and it's they talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the students. But just think about this, the relationship. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're a student and the teachers are saying, will you

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<v Speaker 2>go outside with us and join the picket line? If

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<v Speaker 2>you're a student, what are you going to say? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you don't have a lot of choice. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't have as a student because obviously you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be good to your teachers and you hope your teachers

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<v Speaker 2>will be good to you. So I think that there

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<v Speaker 2>should be a law which would say that students should

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<v Speaker 2>not be allowed to be even asked or participate in

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<v Speaker 2>a picket line. It should be between the school committee

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<v Speaker 2>and the teachers' unions. That's number one. No students should

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<v Speaker 2>be put in that situation because it's a very awkward situation,

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<v Speaker 2>and very few students are going to say no, my

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<v Speaker 2>parents do not agree with this strike. They want me

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<v Speaker 2>to be in school and they do not want me

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<v Speaker 2>to be in pickoline. So that's number one. Number two,

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<v Speaker 2>the Massachusetts Teachers Association is feeling pretty feisty these days

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<v Speaker 2>because they were the motivating force that has now eliminated

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<v Speaker 2>the MCAST test requirement for graduation that went down to

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<v Speaker 2>defeat as one of the ballot questions on Tuesday. I

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<v Speaker 2>suspect that the next step by the Teachers Association will

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<v Speaker 2>be to eliminate the mandatory m CAST testing in the

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<v Speaker 2>third grade and the fifth grade and the eighth grade

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<v Speaker 2>before the big test that students need to pass with

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I think five chances to pass that test.

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<v Speaker 2>But but that issue is now moot, so we'll leave

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<v Speaker 2>it alone. And you have a very strong teachers union here,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you want to go to the Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Education website, there is a website where they list all

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<v Speaker 2>of the average salaries of teachers in Massachusetts cities and towns,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can go and see what teachers are making

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<v Speaker 2>in your cities and towns. And the teachers' unions always

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the para professionals, But when they negotiate and

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<v Speaker 2>they get the ten percent rays over two years or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, fifteen percent raise over three or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is, the percentages apply generally across the board, so

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<v Speaker 2>that the teacher who's making one hundred thousand dollars, when

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<v Speaker 2>they get that five percent raise, they go to one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and five thousand dollars. That pair of professional who's

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<v Speaker 2>making twenty thousand dollars. When they get that five percent raise,

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<v Speaker 2>they get an extra thousand dollars because it's on a

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<v Speaker 2>percentage basis. So I'd love to know what you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think the teachers' unions it's illegal for teachers'

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<v Speaker 2>unions to strike, just as it is illegal for police

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<v Speaker 2>unions and for fire unions and for public safety unions

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<v Speaker 2>to strike. Do you think that these teachers' unions should

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<v Speaker 2>pay a higher price, meaning that they should be told

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<v Speaker 2>if you do strike, we will have a penalty that

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<v Speaker 2>will be automatic, which cannot be renegotiated when the agreement

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<v Speaker 2>is made, because the judge can say we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>find you ten thousand dollars a day. And at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the strike, when they come to a final agreement,

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers' union, I assume, can then say to the

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<v Speaker 2>city or town, look, as part of this agreement, we

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<v Speaker 2>want you to forgive the strike, forgive the fines. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's possible, but I suspect it

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<v Speaker 2>probably does happen. And maybe once these judges say, oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to find you ten thousand dollars a day,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand dollars a day or twenty thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 2>day or whatever it is, and you stayed out for

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<v Speaker 2>three weeks, the union has to come up with the money,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously in the only place they're going to come

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<v Speaker 2>up with the money either is from the Teachers' Union

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<v Speaker 2>writ large, meaning the Teachers Union of Massachusetts, or from

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<v Speaker 2>the specific union that was fined. So I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from you. You don't have to live in Marblehead,

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<v Speaker 2>Gloucester or Beverly to be in this set of circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing I want to add is to the

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<v Speaker 2>best of my knowledge, and I stand to be corrected.

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<v Speaker 2>I always stand to be corrected here on night side.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not believe that any people who are teachers

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts have ever been dragooned to become a teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>They have not been drafted. There's no compulsory teacher service.

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<v Speaker 2>All of them made a decision at some point that

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<v Speaker 2>was the career they wanted to choose. Now, they probably

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<v Speaker 2>knew that they would not make a million dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 2>They would not be making salaries commensurate with what professional

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<v Speaker 2>athletes or maybe doctors or warriors are making. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>decision they made teachers' unions. Again, they work very hard,

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<v Speaker 2>but but they have probably a lot more vacation time

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<v Speaker 2>than most people. So it's a lifestyle choice. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>vocation that they chose, and to strike in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of a school year, in my opinion, is unfeared of

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<v Speaker 2>the students, and it's also unfair to the parents of

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<v Speaker 2>those students and the guardians of those students because when

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<v Speaker 2>the schools are closed, the students have to be housed

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere during the day other than the school. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to open up the phone lines. If you're a taxpayer,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a dog in this fight. If you're a

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<v Speaker 2>teacher and you want to tell me why I'm so wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>bring it on. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty, triple eight

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<v Speaker 2>nine two, nine, ten thirty. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this until ten o'clock. So if you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>in dial now, we're coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>NIGHTSID Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I have just checked during the break on

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<v Speaker 2>the average teacher salaries in Beverly, Gloucester and Marblehead for

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<v Speaker 2>the year twenty twenty to twenty twenty one. If you

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<v Speaker 2>like to check on this, here's the website profiles dot DOE,

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<v Speaker 2>which stands for Department of Education dot massmass dot edu

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<v Speaker 2>slash State Report slash Teacher Salaries, so you can find

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<v Speaker 2>it pretty easily. Profiles dot DOE for Department of Education

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<v Speaker 2>dot m ASS from Massachusetts dot edu slash State Reports

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<v Speaker 2>slash teacher salaries in the year twenty twenty to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, that is now four years ago. In Beverly,

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<v Speaker 2>the average teacher salary eighty four thousand, seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five dollars. I suspect there's at least one contract

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<v Speaker 2>More than that Gloucester eighty six thousand, three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty dollars. Again, that is the average salary according to

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<v Speaker 2>the Massachusetts Department of Education in Marblehead eighty four thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and sixty five dollars. So between these three towns,

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<v Speaker 2>the one that pays the teachers as of twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>a couple thousand dollars less. So eighty six, eighty four,

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four. Those are the teacher salaries in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one. Let's see what people have to say here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go to Ginny. Who's first up? Ginny is

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<v Speaker 2>in Boston, Ginny, I could care less on what side

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<v Speaker 2>of the argument is that you're on, but I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to hear your point of view. Welcome to night Sider.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. So what I want to clarify is that

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<v Speaker 3>you mentioned about the power of professionals. Yes, they are

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<v Speaker 3>not in the same union as the teachers. So when

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<v Speaker 3>the teachers get a raised, they don't get a raised.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you said that they do get a raised.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well here's what my well, here's what my understanding is.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know exactly what. I know that in Newton

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers were arguing all along that the power of

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<v Speaker 2>professionals needed to be more highly compensated. The teachers in

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<v Speaker 2>new absolutely make like ninety one thousand dollars. This is

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<v Speaker 2>four years ago. These are the stats from four years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure the average salary is now over one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars in Newton. Okay, it should be well, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it should be two hundred thousand dollars. Okay, But

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you, as a consumt t once of that

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<v Speaker 2>negotiation in Newton, that there were similar wage increases given

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<v Speaker 2>to the para professionals in Newton, because if that didn't happen,

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<v Speaker 2>then it would have been a total sham for the

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<v Speaker 2>teachers to use the underpaid para professionals as their argument

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<v Speaker 2>for increases for the better paid teachers. If you understand what.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, I think they argued so that the para

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<v Speaker 3>professionals could get more money because they deserve more money.

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<v Speaker 3>As you said, some of them only make eighteen thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars a year. I mean, they don't have the whole

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<v Speaker 3>loads that teachers have, but they work hard and they're

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<v Speaker 3>there from I'm not distributing that, but.

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<v Speaker 2>But are you Are you trying to tell me that

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<v Speaker 2>when the unions go on strike, threatened strike, or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and they negotiate and they finally get let us say,

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<v Speaker 2>a ten percent increase over three years. Let's keep it simple.

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<v Speaker 2>You're telling me that the par of professionals, who may

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<v Speaker 2>not be in the union, but they but the union

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<v Speaker 2>negotiates on their behalf. The par of professionals also get

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<v Speaker 2>a ten percent raise. If that's what the teachers are getting.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think you're dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrong because at that point, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Par of professionals are in their own union. They're not

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<v Speaker 3>in the union. What's the teachers?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, why why aren't they?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, why aren't they?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, all I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell you is this is that the teachers are Here's

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<v Speaker 2>what is really sad. The teachers are using the low

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<v Speaker 2>salaries that are being paid to the pair of professionals.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to use that as an argument for the

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<v Speaker 2>teachers to get more money, because that's what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you agree with that?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course you are.

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<v Speaker 4>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you agree with that? Why don't you agree

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<v Speaker 3>Because I think the teachers are for themselves and not

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<v Speaker 3>for the power professionals.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, they're using the para professionals. They're using the

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<v Speaker 2>pair of professionals because when they quote the the the less,

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<v Speaker 2>the smaller the money. If you say, okay, there's someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's a para professional and most people don't understand what

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<v Speaker 2>that means. But they're working full time at the school.

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<v Speaker 3>Are a teacher aide, you might call it a teacher aig.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it is, right, But what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying we the people understand, well, that's fine, but

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<v Speaker 2>they are making they're making twenty three thousand dollars a year. Hypothetically,

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<v Speaker 2>the average person is going to say, look, you can

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<v Speaker 2>make twenty three thousand dollars flipping burgers at McDonald's and.

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<v Speaker 3>They like to be with children, and some people like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, people want to be compensated.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, I'm trying to figure out where you are

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<v Speaker 2>you a teacher or are you a para professional?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not neither.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so at all?

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<v Speaker 3>You see, you know all why I work in education?

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<v Speaker 3>While I worked in education.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you do in education?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't want to tell you. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>thirty six years Yeah, okay, so you were.

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<v Speaker 2>You were in education and you don't want to tell me.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's okay, No I don't that's I don't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, don't. I don't have you in the

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<v Speaker 2>witness stand Here. I'm simply asking you questions because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to qualify you so that people will know of

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<v Speaker 2>your credibility. Okay, what I'm saying to you is, if

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers really are concerned in Gloucester, Marblehead, in Beverly

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<v Speaker 2>about the low pay of the para professionals, they should

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<v Speaker 2>go to the to the school committee and say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're pretty well paid, we don't need an increase right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but can you give some money to these poor pair

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<v Speaker 2>of professionals. I then would be on the picket line

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<v Speaker 2>with the teachers saying they're doing the right thing by

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<v Speaker 2>the para professionals. They're using the pair of professionals. They're

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<v Speaker 2>using the para professionals to generate sympathy for their strike.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well they may be, they may be, but you know

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<v Speaker 3>what they deserve the raise. Who is going to say

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<v Speaker 3>more than eight hours a day with twenty one, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two twenty three children, is anybody?

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<v Speaker 4>What about the.

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<v Speaker 3>People in the business world, what are they making you

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<v Speaker 3>have to look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, let me ask you this, what did selective

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<v Speaker 2>service drag these teachers? Did they draft the teachers. If

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<v Speaker 2>they did, I was not aware of that.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes a special person to be a teacher. Nobody

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<v Speaker 3>drafted them.

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<v Speaker 2>Good well, they all chose the profession, you know, Jinny,

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're exposing your bias a little bit. They chose

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<v Speaker 2>a profession. Okay, there are people who I know who

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<v Speaker 2>have chosen professions in which they're dedicated, et cetera. All

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying is, you want to go out on strike,

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<v Speaker 2>go out on strike. But let's talk about how much

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<v Speaker 2>money you make and let the average person who in

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Beverly or Gloucester or Marblehead. They're going

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<v Speaker 2>to see there, and particularly by the way, older folks

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<v Speaker 2>on fixed incomes are going to see their real estate

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<v Speaker 2>taxes increased dramatically. Thank you for your career in education,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you for your perspective which whatever you did

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<v Speaker 2>in education, thank.

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<v Speaker 3>You, thank you as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Good night, good night, we'll keep.

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<v Speaker 2>It rolling here on night side. Uh. The fairly simple

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<v Speaker 2>concept there. If you're making one hundred k as a teacher,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to use as an example the para

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<v Speaker 2>professional who's making twenty eight thousand dollars, you know you

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<v Speaker 2>can forgold maybe an increase, and you can say the union,

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers union, can say, let's take care of the

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<v Speaker 2>para professionals. They're the ones who are really they're helping us,

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<v Speaker 2>they're making our job easier. Let's take care of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't hear the Teachers' union saying that six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of benefits to being a teacher. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's security, there's a pension. A lot of people who

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<v Speaker 2>work now in the private sector there's no more pensions

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<v Speaker 2>in private sector. You can put your own money away

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<v Speaker 2>and hope that the stock market doesn't crash. Feel free,

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<v Speaker 2>join the conversation, whatever your point of view. Jinny was fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm delighted she called. I wish she might have shared

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<v Speaker 2>with us exactly what she did in education, But that's fine. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be back on Nightside right after the break the

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<v Speaker 2>news here at the bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's keep rolling. John in Boston. John, you next

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside, Welcome, sir, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh nice, Jan, Just a couple of things, Dan I

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<v Speaker 4>know the teachers basically they get two months off out

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<v Speaker 4>of the because I've known teachers that worked other jobs

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<v Speaker 4>during that period of time it made a substantial amount

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<v Speaker 4>of income, so they're not working a full year. But

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<v Speaker 4>also some of the things that concern me, Dan is

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<v Speaker 4>if they are using basically they call them power teachers,

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<v Speaker 4>para professionals whatever, by basically it's part time teachers that

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<v Speaker 4>they're including dear low income and with the income of

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<v Speaker 4>full time teachers, use that as a excuse of not

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<v Speaker 4>getting paid enough. They're kind of given a mean average

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<v Speaker 4>that isn't really fair. And again, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what the fairness here in fairness? What the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>that I've given you, and I hope you were listening,

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<v Speaker 2>that the average teacher as of twenty twenty the school

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<v Speaker 2>year twenty twenty one in Beverly eighty four thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>seven sixty five, in Gloucester eighty six thousand and three

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<v Speaker 2>sixty in Marblehead eighty four thousand and three sixty five.

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<v Speaker 2>That's based upon statistics from a page out of the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Education Massachusetts state report. Again, the para professionals,

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<v Speaker 2>the school aids, whatever phrase, the people you would like

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<v Speaker 2>to use. They're not included in that. So, if let's

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<v Speaker 2>say there's a teacher in the classroom, the average salary

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<v Speaker 2>for the teacher's eighty six thousand dollars, and that if

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<v Speaker 2>the para professional is making twenty five thousand dollars, that

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<v Speaker 2>whole classroom, it's a it's a cost to the taxpayers

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<v Speaker 2>of eighty six plus twenty five. So you know that

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<v Speaker 2>classroom that is more like one hundred and ten thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in terms of salary. The teachers are basically pointing

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<v Speaker 2>at the para professionals and saying they're underpaid. They probably

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<v Speaker 2>are because they make it twenty five thousand dollars. But

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers aren't saying give them an increase. They say,

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<v Speaker 2>we want an increase, and I'll give them an increase too.

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<v Speaker 4>So they are including I'm a little confused that the

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<v Speaker 4>para professionals they're not working full time for that low

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<v Speaker 4>amount of They yes, they are, I mean there's a

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<v Speaker 4>paraprofliction part time teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>No, well, in some cases they could be. No, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not part time teachers. There's somebody who maybe doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a teaching certificate, has graduated from college and is going

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<v Speaker 2>to get another degree or whatever, or maybe they're maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's difficult. There's there's a lot of school systems that

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<v Speaker 2>there are no teacher openings because it's being a teacher

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<v Speaker 2>is a good job. It's an important job, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a job to which a lot of people ascribe. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>is dragging teachers, kicking and streaming screening into buildings to

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<v Speaker 2>become teachers. They all have chosen that career as a vocation.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they can't, if they're really that unsatisfied with

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<v Speaker 2>the with the salary they meet, if it's salary that's

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<v Speaker 2>driving them, they need to think about maybe a different profession.

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<v Speaker 2>But most of them want to work there, and most

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<v Speaker 2>of them, you know, a looking for a pay raise.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone wants to see a pay raise. Obviously with inflation,

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<v Speaker 2>we understand that, but at what cost? And why is

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<v Speaker 2>it that parents are basically told, hey, you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>take care of your kids next week as we're going

425
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<v Speaker 2>on strike, and the parents are saying, wait a sec,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a job. My husband, you know, the the

427
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<v Speaker 2>wife's got a job, the husband's got a job. We

428
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<v Speaker 2>need two salaries in order to pay the real estate

429
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<v Speaker 2>taxes in this community, they kind of caught between the

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<v Speaker 2>rock and hard place, John, is what I'm saying. The

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<v Speaker 2>victims here really are the parents and the guardians of

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<v Speaker 2>the students. Who who when the teachers are on strike,

433
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<v Speaker 2>who takes care of the students?

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly that. I mean a couple of months ago, I've

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<v Speaker 4>met two different fifth grade teachers. One of these is

436
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<v Speaker 4>really undisturbing. It's a little bit off the subject, but

437
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<v Speaker 4>still she was teaching a fifth grade teacher as students

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<v Speaker 4>and there's a girl in her class identify as a

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<v Speaker 4>cat and there's nothing. She went to the prisconal said,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to call the girl's mother. The prison wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>let her call the mother. And another teacher had the

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<v Speaker 4>same type of problem.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a whole different John.

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<v Speaker 4>That is a little long, I know, but what they're

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<v Speaker 4>teaching the kids and now they're on strike on top

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<v Speaker 4>of that kind of thing, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And those decisions, those decisions John, okay, are probably imposed

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<v Speaker 2>by the political leaders in different communities and be the

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<v Speaker 2>school administrators and the teaching.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it is. It's coming down from the states in

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<v Speaker 4>the government.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is you can't blame a teacher for that.

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<v Speaker 2>If a teacher is called. Just as if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the military and uh and they tell you, hey, you

455
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<v Speaker 2>got to uh, you know, go to the mess hall

456
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<v Speaker 2>and you're on miss hall duty, or you got to

457
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<v Speaker 2>go fix that truck that's that's not working. Or worst

458
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<v Speaker 2>case scenario, you're in a combat zone and they say, hey,

459
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<v Speaker 2>get your machine, get your gun, we got to take

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<v Speaker 2>that hill over there. It's kind of what you sign

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<v Speaker 2>up for. You got to do it or you're going

462
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<v Speaker 2>to be in You're going to be in problem. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if all of a sudden a teacher decides to do something,

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<v Speaker 2>you're taking me down a rabbit hole. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go here, John, I just want to stay.

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<v Speaker 4>On the get I'm saying, is someone told me to

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<v Speaker 4>tell you to that, then I would leave teachers bottom line.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, Dad, it's a financial issue, but uh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's especially in these hot economic times going on a

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<v Speaker 4>strike and you're going to strike against.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it's illegal, Okay, it's it's illegal, And

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<v Speaker 2>when it's all said and done, the union will pay

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<v Speaker 2>some fines. But I think the fines that they charge

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<v Speaker 2>the union should be a little bit more costly, and

475
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<v Speaker 2>they should make it clear that we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>abate those fines. If you stay out for a couple

477
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<v Speaker 2>of weeks like they did in Newton, all those fines

478
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<v Speaker 2>are going to be collected. You know, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>playing for real here. We're the only and if if

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers union stays out, at some point they have

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<v Speaker 2>to consider saying to the leaders of the teachers' union,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to tell these teachers to go back to Striker.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to be in contempt of court. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know what the what the implications of that are, John,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to run.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you much, take it, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me keep going here. I want to try to

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<v Speaker 2>get as many folks in as I can. Love to

489
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<v Speaker 2>hear from you. If you're up in a Beverly glocester

490
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<v Speaker 2>or marblehead, and if you're courageous and you're afraid people

491
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<v Speaker 2>won't recognize your voice. Next up is Beatrice in Bridgewater.

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<v Speaker 2>Beatrice in Bridgewater, You're next on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome, Welcome, thank you. I have a different perspective because

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<v Speaker 6>I used to work in the main office in a

495
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<v Speaker 6>regional school, and I know that every year the schools

496
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<v Speaker 6>would take it more and more special needs students because

497
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<v Speaker 6>the state pays the more to take those students, and

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<v Speaker 6>those are the students that the para professionals are with

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<v Speaker 6>every day. The para professionals are working with students with

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<v Speaker 6>special needs, with behavior problems, and I will tell you

501
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<v Speaker 6>they do not get enough money.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not going to disagree with you on that right.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm going to tell you something. I worked twenty

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<v Speaker 6>two years in the private sector, and I have a

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<v Speaker 6>pension from that job. I worked eleven years in the

506
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<v Speaker 6>school system, and my pension from there for half the

507
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<v Speaker 6>time is more than twice what it is from the

508
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<v Speaker 6>private sector. So there are a lot of benefits. But

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<v Speaker 6>us administrations of the school take more and more of

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<v Speaker 6>these children with problems, and the prayer professionals are with them,

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<v Speaker 6>and they do not get enough pay. Now, we had

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<v Speaker 6>one student at our school who was in a wheelchair,

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<v Speaker 6>who could not even feed himself, and he had a

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<v Speaker 6>para professional with him from the time he came into

515
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<v Speaker 6>that school until he got on his van to leave.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's all she did all day was with this

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<v Speaker 6>one student.

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<v Speaker 2>And guess what those let's let's I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the focus clearly here. First of all, interesting points

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<v Speaker 2>you made about your pension, You're right there. You worked

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<v Speaker 2>in the private sector a long time ago. If you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a pension, because pensions have been eliminated in the

523
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<v Speaker 2>private sector. Public pensions are different stories. Those are are very.

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<v Speaker 6>Very generous, very lucrative.

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<v Speaker 2>Very well, I'll say generous. You say lucrative. Okay, fair enough,

526
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<v Speaker 2>you say tomato. I'll say to my okay, however, I

527
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<v Speaker 2>want to see that child who has special needs. I

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<v Speaker 2>want him to him or her to be taken care of,

529
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<v Speaker 2>and I want them to be able to be mainstreamed

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<v Speaker 2>if possible. I know what the lingo is, and I

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<v Speaker 2>get all of that, and God forbid that your family

532
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<v Speaker 2>or my family would have to deal with a child

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<v Speaker 2>who has significant special needs. And that's sort of what

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<v Speaker 2>we do as a society. It's almost like an insurance contract.

535
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<v Speaker 2>It's like we say, Okay, everybody's going to pay a

536
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<v Speaker 2>little more in their taxes and we will provide what

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<v Speaker 2>the best we can as a society for people who

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<v Speaker 2>really need some help. No one, no one objects to that, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And if the para professionals are not being treated well enough,

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<v Speaker 2>compensated well enough, let's increase their salaries. But what bothers

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<v Speaker 2>me is that the teachers' unions in Massachusetts, who are

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<v Speaker 2>making pretty good money if you go to this Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Education website.

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<v Speaker 6>Most oh, I heard you say that, and I agree

545
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<v Speaker 6>the teacher money paraprofessionals, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is the teachers' union basically around

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<v Speaker 2>on strike, they ask the kids to show up outside

548
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<v Speaker 2>at the rallies, which I don't think is important. That

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<v Speaker 2>puts the child of the student in a very awkward

550
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<v Speaker 2>position because that no child is going to have the

551
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<v Speaker 2>backbone to say, gee, I think you're asking me something

552
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<v Speaker 2>which is inappropriate. But they love to have the students.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing it for the students, and the kids are

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<v Speaker 2>out there because they have a day offer school and

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<v Speaker 2>they get to make some signs and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of things about it which bothered me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that. And I also think that

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<v Speaker 2>that if teachers' unions are not doing a good enough

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<v Speaker 2>job negotating for the teachers, then at that point, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get the legislature involved and let's let's pass some piece

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<v Speaker 2>of legislation which requires the cities and towns to go

562
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<v Speaker 2>ahead and charge people more money. I mean, the disruption

563
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<v Speaker 2>that's going to occur in these three communities potentially is unfair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unfair to the parents who basically build their lives

565
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<v Speaker 2>around the idea that kids are going to be in school. Beatrice,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm past my break.

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<v Speaker 6>I hate Okay, I just wanted to give you a

568
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<v Speaker 6>different point of view. Because they need more para professionals,

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<v Speaker 6>and they need the para professionals need more money.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you, and I think that the teachers

571
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<v Speaker 2>should basically say, hey, look we're doing pretty well. If

572
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<v Speaker 2>there is some extra money, let's spread them amongst the

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<v Speaker 2>para professionals.

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, great night. Take a very quick break. I

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<v Speaker 2>got three calls. Some of you are a little late here,

577
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<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to try to get all of you in.

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<v Speaker 2>So Louis, Susan and Jamie work with me here. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get you all in. I don't think we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have time for any other calls, so we're going to

581
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<v Speaker 2>switch topics at ten o'clock. You should have called earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming back on night.

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<v Speaker 1>Side now back to Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, going to try to get everybody in here. Susan

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<v Speaker 2>and Hingham Susan next on Nightsiger right.

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<v Speaker 5>Ahead, Hey Dan, just wanted to point something out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 5>You gotta remember teachers only work one hundred and eighty

590
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<v Speaker 5>two days in a year, and if you're making eighty

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<v Speaker 5>five thousand a year, you're making four hundred and sixty.

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<v Speaker 3>Dollars a day. You've got right.

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<v Speaker 5>But all these vacations.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, in fairness to the teachers. And I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be fear to the teachers. I'm being pretty critical.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the point you make is a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, they do spend some time

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure of getting ready for the school year during

599
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<v Speaker 2>the summer and all of that. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean again, it's yeah, did they they chose this profession.

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<v Speaker 2>That's they chose this profession. You know. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying, but I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to beat them over the head with It's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say.

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<v Speaker 5>No, you have to beat them over the head because

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<v Speaker 5>they shouldn't no nothing, they shouldn't, like you said, they

607
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<v Speaker 5>shouldn't be out of school for any reason at all,

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<v Speaker 5>And they still get paid. Even though they're on strike,

609
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<v Speaker 5>they still get paid and they're not working. If even if,

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<v Speaker 5>even if they didn't strike and they didn't have a

611
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<v Speaker 5>contract and they're still negotiating, they still maintain their benefits

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<v Speaker 5>and everything from the contract that expired. It's just you know, continues, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>So there's no reason for them to strike. They're still

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<v Speaker 5>getting paid. It doesn't like expiring.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, you don't get a paycheck anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no idea came on them for disrupting a child's education.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm sorry, but they're in it for the money.

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<v Speaker 5>They're greedy grabbers, I can say it. They're greedy grabbers

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<v Speaker 5>because it's all on the tax payers. And their pensions

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<v Speaker 5>end up being eighty percent of the last three years.

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<v Speaker 2>They're bigger the teacher pensions. It's a good pension. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a good pension. Susan, thank you. I'm gonna jammy a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit on time here because they got two other

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<v Speaker 2>folks to get in as well. But appreciate your call,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that. Keep calling the program. You made a

626
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense, you too. Take it easy. Let me

627
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<v Speaker 2>go next to Jamie in Chilms for Jamie. Your next

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<v Speaker 2>one nights.

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<v Speaker 7>I go right ahead, Kay Dan Jas listen every night

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<v Speaker 7>every night, but I don't always call it. The only

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<v Speaker 7>other time I called was on your most recent Mother's

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<v Speaker 7>Day episode. I wanted to give a shout out to

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<v Speaker 7>my grandmother.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what's your thought on this, Jamie.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel very frankly that I totally understand the conservative

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<v Speaker 7>point of view here, but I just want to bring

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<v Speaker 7>up the fact that the whole idea of the Americans

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<v Speaker 7>with Disabilities Act was brought about by Republicans and is

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<v Speaker 7>rooted so much more deeper throughout disability history. And so

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<v Speaker 7>I think tonight brings up your two guest begers thing

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<v Speaker 7>up a cool just the point where we have this

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<v Speaker 7>idea of military protections and protecting our veterans, and so basically,

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<v Speaker 7>how do we bring that about out with the contractors

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<v Speaker 7>and the extra services such as the para professionals who

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<v Speaker 7>are bringing upon these extra charges, and then how are

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<v Speaker 7>they fitting all into this idea of people who don't

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<v Speaker 7>live here versus who's in charge with the administration. How

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<v Speaker 7>is that structured and the pushing pull of the union.

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<v Speaker 7>Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the kids you're getting in a couple of other

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<v Speaker 2>issues here, in terms of the students who have come

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<v Speaker 2>here with families, migrant families, and they're here and they

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be educated. I just want to focus

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<v Speaker 2>on the union goes out on strike, they encourage the

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<v Speaker 2>kids to walk the picket line with them or here

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<v Speaker 2>at demonstrations, and the people who are really feeling the

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<v Speaker 2>burden of the parents who are trying to work in

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<v Speaker 2>order to make enough money so they can pay all

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<v Speaker 2>their taxes. And now what do they do with their

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<v Speaker 2>kids when the strike is on. I mean, they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>told three weeks ago we're going to have a strike

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<v Speaker 2>in early.

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<v Speaker 7>November, right, And so what is the question though, is

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<v Speaker 7>are you saying why did this come about?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess so.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just reminding everyone because I think it's a uniting

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<v Speaker 7>issue that comes brings in all those other points together

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<v Speaker 7>where in between.

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<v Speaker 2>I do understand the point you made, Jamie, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very happy that you called. And uh, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to call more often. Okay, but I gotta excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta jump to one more call here before the

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<v Speaker 2>hour's up. Yeah, no, thank you, Thanks Jamie, talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you soon. Lewis and Wilmington. Lewis, You're going to wrap

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<v Speaker 2>the hour first, go right ahead, Lewis.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I blame the town managers from these communities that

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<v Speaker 8>has gone this flop, and so at this point later

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<v Speaker 8>on the communities need to remember these people that are

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<v Speaker 8>running their town business are failing at this. The other

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<v Speaker 8>thing is the teachers union shouldn't plan to strike before

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<v Speaker 8>school started, not in the middle of the season now

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<v Speaker 8>which there is a law, so it needs. Union leaders

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<v Speaker 8>need to be arrested or order your people back to work.

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<v Speaker 8>You did this at the wrong time and this classes

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<v Speaker 8>must continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree with that point. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they need to be arrested, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>they get called into court and they're told, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you're the leaders of this. You have to tell your

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<v Speaker 2>union members to go back to work, because we're not

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<v Speaker 2>only going to find the union, but we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>hold you in contempt of court if you're if your

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<v Speaker 2>membership doesn't. This is such an incredible look Lewis. Last

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<v Speaker 2>winter in Newton, last January, I think the teachers union

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<v Speaker 2>was out on strike for like fourteen days, nearly three weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in the middle of the school year. That

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<v Speaker 2>was horrific. The Teachers' Union is basically flexing their muscle politically.

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<v Speaker 2>They flexed it politically on getting rid of the mcast test,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to see more of this and affecting

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<v Speaker 2>more communities unless some judge or some group steps up

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<v Speaker 2>and says this cannot stand. If you want it, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to walk out, if you want to threaten

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<v Speaker 2>to strike, do it in August, do it in July

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<v Speaker 2>on your own time. Don't do it in the time

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<v Speaker 2>of the students. I think you made a great point.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, good night now, Kevin, great.

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<v Speaker 2>Knight, Lewis, appreciate the call. Okay, well, the folks who

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<v Speaker 2>are just calling now. Unfortunately we're out of time. So

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<v Speaker 2>when we get back, we're going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party. Did they need to regroup after this horrific

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<v Speaker 2>political result on Tuesday night? From the Democratics. From the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party's point of view, they lost the Senate, they

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<v Speaker 2>lost the White House, and I think they will continue

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the minority in the House of Representatives.

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<v Speaker 2>And Seth Moulton, a cognitis from Massachusetts, made some comments

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<v Speaker 2>in The New York Times, which has generated a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of controversy. We hope to have Seth Moulton on with

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<v Speaker 2>us sometime next week. But I think the point that

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<v Speaker 2>he made from a political point of view, although he's

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<v Speaker 2>taking a lot of heat for tonight, makes a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of sense. I'll explain why right after the ten o'clock

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