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Speaker 1: What's going on in the world of Cougar athletics Here

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Speaker 2: From the Back to the Sports one and three nine

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It's the special edition of the Rivalry Show. We got

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former and current BYU players showing up. Body scooned over Noaho, Jacki,

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Connor Pay, Jamal Williams. We have current and future Utah

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football player showing up Nate Richie, Kennan Pula, Jaron Pula

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and more. Where red or blue to support your team

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and get yourself some delicious cookies here at Humble in

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Pleasant Grove. We're gonna get into a little world of

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BYU sports here with a former ricks college baller shot Collar.

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He ended up becoming a personal trainer, a human performance guru.

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Once upon a time, Jamal Williams had to redshirt.

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Speaker 3: He had been injured.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he exited BYU UH and and it was a

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it was a rough time for him. He found a mentor,

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he found a coach in Luke Khan that helped him

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through the process, refined him, transformed him. Jamal Williams ended

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up training with Luke Khan down in Arizona for an

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entire offseason and he became a monster in two thousand

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and sixteen. And that's what we got to enjoy is

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BYU fans. In my opinion, yes, because of Jamal, his genetics,

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his work, ethic, who he was. But you need mentors

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in our in your life in order to maximize your

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talents and abilities, and Luke Hahn was that mentor, that coach.

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Let's welcome Luke in to this segment. Luke, how the

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heck are you, budd appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Ben, thanks for having me great.

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Speaker 3: Seeing you again, Hey, a blessing of pleasure.

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Speaker 2: I know we like to text and call and chat,

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but it's great to see you in person. I apologize

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because I'm I'm suffering through this cold that's been going around,

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so I'm popping.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know my my cough drops and drinking as much water.

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But man, appreciate you being here to support locals, to support.

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Speaker 3: These uh these uh former Cougars, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And uh, it's just a blessing to have you, Luke

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this play.

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Speaker 3: Your football team has been fun to watch, hasn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's been great, man, It's amazing. Every week it's something different.

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There's never there's never a boring time watching them. It's

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always excitement. It always keeps you on your seat.

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Speaker 4: Whether they're on offense or were they on defense or

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special teams.

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Speaker 1: It's always something that they're pulling out of the out

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of their hat, A rabbit half something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: From you know, you know these coaches, you know some

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of the players as well. From your perspective, like, what

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stands out to you about the Kilani Shaitaki era. Obviously,

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Jamal came in right at the beginning of the Kilani

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era twenty sixteen, and he took the world by storm

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in twenty sixteen, one of the best running backs in

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college football.

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Speaker 3: But what stands out to you about the Kilani era?

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Speaker 1: I think just experiencing being up at BYU and working

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out with Jamal up there, I think Kilani gives you

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that vibe of it's all one hundred percent of family,

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doesn't matter how long you've been removed, and you're always welcome,

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and that you don't find a most institutions, if at

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all any So for me, it's just wonderful knowing that

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you know, we can go up there and the door

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is always open. Whatever you need, just go ahead and

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ask for it or get it or whatever.

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Speaker 4: We can help you however we need to.

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Speaker 1: So I think I see a lot of that understanding

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where these players they cling to that, and they a

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lot of these players, some of these players they want that.

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Arkansas or somewhere, and you leave your home, you have

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that family right here in Probo and it's not just there.

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It's like Crumble, you know, you have these different outreaches

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people that want to help you feel more comfortable and

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feel at home. So I think it's really great. And

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then you can't beat the mountains, man, there's no one's

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up the mountains right now.

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Speaker 4: You can't beat that.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful, man, it's a it's a beautiful place. No

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doubt about it. But it takes that extension of family, right.

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became a coach, you became a mentor, you were a

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football player. You knew the impact that mentorship and coaching

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had in your individual life. Your personal journey is uh

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is unique, right, and and so you've given back because

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of the impact that coach Han specifically provided to you

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when you were at Ris, when you were born, when

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you got recruited, you know, from your home state to

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Speaker 2: Expand on that a little bit how important family and

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coaching and mentorship was to you, and how you've tried

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Speaker 1: For me, it was very moving, and you gotta, I

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gotta apologize because it's a little bit, you know, clutching

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in my throat. My dad at the time was my

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college football coach at Rich College, and you know, I

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was a kid that came from a very very abusive

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background and no one cared and.

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Speaker 4: No one loved me.

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Speaker 1: And to have that person be my role model for

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so long from nineteen eighty six and then finally adopting

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me as his son and you know, it meant the

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world to me because I've been through so many things

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in my life that I had to go on by myself.

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have their dynamics that mom, the dad, or an uncle

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or auntie or grandma or somebody that loves him and

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takes care of them, where from me, I didn't have

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any of that. So I have to learn all these

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lessons on my own, and then to have him be

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in my life and to take the step to want

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to adopt me, and to have a mother that loves me,

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that wants me that you know, just wants to hear

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my laugh and he wants to see me smile. To

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come to an environment like Rick's College because my dad

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at the time when he was the head coach at RIX,

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a lot of the kids would feed him too byu

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you know, like the Jay Hills, like the Aaron Rodericks,

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like the Justin Anderson's, they all fed from They all

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came from Ricks College. So to know the personal relationship

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that I've had with these guys and that my dad

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hasn't impacted me to have with these young men, to

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move forward and to continue to mentor and to keep

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that legacy name and just continue to do the things

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that I know he would have done, and for him

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to pass it on to me, for me to be

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able to do those things for those young men.

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Speaker 4: It's a great reward, it's a great blessing. It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why did you step into that role? How did

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you step into that role with Jamal?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: How did you get connected to Jamal Williams through his

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journey from Byu to the state of Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I had a bishop, my bishop at the time in Scottsdale,

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in the Mountain View ward in Scottsdale, and he had

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reached out to me and he had told me said,

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you know, there's a young man that we have gotten

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a call from from the church as you from the school,

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and I feel that you would be best for him.

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Speaker 4: Would you be able to would you be would you

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would you take that challenge?

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Speaker 1: And I said, well, sure, who is it? So told

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me the name and I said, okay, sure. At that time,

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he had, you know, going through the injury with the

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acl mcl pcl ankle all that stuff. So at that point,

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who wants to be around that person that that person

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thinks would want to be around them.

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Speaker 4: The will no one he normally wants to be.

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Speaker 1: Around you because you can't if you can't give them anything,

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because who you were before is what they saw. Now

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they're seeing you at a different level, and that's where

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that loyalty comes in. So my thing was I didn't

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look at any of that stuff. I just looked at

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the individual and said, you know, sure, let's go ahead

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Speaker 4: Let's let's get this thing a a twirl.

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Speaker 1: And the time how we spent together, we gained so much,

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so much knowledge about one another, so much love and

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so much care, and that relationship blossomed into what it

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is now is you know, as a parent and a child.

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And it's amazing because it shows you how the Savior

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works in your life. The things that you never thought

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you would do are the things that he most likely

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blesses you to accomplish, not just to do, but to accomplish,

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and then to see as journeying that he's on right now,

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you know, in the NFL, you know, And to have

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a relationship where I don't want anything from you, I

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don't need anything from you, You don't need anything from me,

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You don't want anything from me, But together. We help

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each other and we accomplished things together. Not a lot

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of people may not understand that relationship. And again, my

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dad would always say, when you're chosen in life, it's

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a bigger difference than when you accepted. The Savior chooses

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us parents choose to have a child. And so for me,

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I feel like I've been chosen and he's been chosen,

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that we've been chosen together to be together through this process.

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that's what the Savior has said for us.

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Speaker 3: The transformative powers of.

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Speaker 2: Discipleship and mentorship, you know are you know they're cross generational, right,

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and and you learn through that process. You've learned through

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that processing it from your father, coach On who passed

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away recently.

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Speaker 3: May he rest in peace. He lived a legendary life.

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Speaker 2: We shall lebrate that obviously, and the impact that he

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had on many of those players that you mentioned and

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or ended up at any variety of schools and be

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pretty seeing high level talent.

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Speaker 3: But high high, high quality people. And that's what it's

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it's truly about.

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Speaker 2: We got lu Khan here on ESPN the fan, coach

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mentor developer of people, but specifically you know Jamal Williams,

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which Jamal holds a special place in BYU fans are

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right same with Mama Williams, right like, probably two of

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the most h I would say favorite people amongst Cougar

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fans in the modern era because of the unique personalities

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that they have, uh, the genuine nature that they have

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and and the former fashion which they interacted and embraced

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the BYU community. I mean, you've seen that, You've experienced that.

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What makes the Williams family so unique.

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Speaker 4: And so special?

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Speaker 1: I think the I think what makes makes it unique

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and special is the fact that you touched on they're

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just very, very fun to be a very energetic and

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you can't say a lot about that kind of stuff.

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you can't just practice those things.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's just who you are.

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Speaker 1: So I think for those type of personalities in an

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environment like this, it's welcoming. It's really more of an

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adopting because you're adopting that personality and then you all

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of a sudden you see jam All throw the ball

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out in the field. You know, you see them out

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there dancing. It becomes contagious. You want to start doing it.

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I want to come to Byu and I want to

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throw the ball out like he does. I want to

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to dance like he. Matter of fact, I don't have

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to come here to dance. I can dance in my state.

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I can dance in my seat. So I think it's

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the way he played, There's no doubt, because of the productivity.

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in every Bayu fans art a certain love, a certain

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intrinsic connectivity between them and Jamal, even though Jamal maybe

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did never like really interact with them in an interpersonal way,

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but somehow he connected with them and that was very transcendent.

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You've seen the the impact that he's made in many communities,

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not just the Bau community, as he's gone to all

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of these different NFL organizations explain that component too, Like

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the impact that Jamal's made at every organization that he's

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he's ended up at.

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Speaker 4: I think with the organizations that he's ended up Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: Starting there, Mike McCarthy was the head coach and Mike

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McCarthy drafted him. He was very His impact was felt there.

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He got inducted into the Bookie Hall of Fame there.

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He had a great career there. He went on to Detroit.

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Dan Cavil and him were you know, pretty much hand

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in him and with what they were doing building that product,

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building that program to what it is now, and for

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him to be a part of that was very significant.

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Going to New Orleans and then you know, he enjoyed

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his time there. Unfortunately, he had hamsterring that he had

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been dealing with since he was in college, and the

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hamstring finally showed himself through his first year in New

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Orleans and then he never really could get back on

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track there. Going into the communities now where he's in Mapleton,

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I use there. He does so much for that community

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out there. You know, he'll sign stuff for people. People

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will come up to him and I don't want to

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bother you, and he said, well, you're not bothering me.

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Speaker 4: I live here part of the community. So he's very

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he's very open in that way.

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Speaker 1: People will walk by and they all say, hey, I

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see your cats in the window, you know, because he

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has cats, and I see your cat's in the window.

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Speaker 4: And he's like, well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Anytime you want to come and look at my cats

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or mess what play with him, you come on by.

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So he's very welcoming, very open, And for me seeing

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that transition take place, it's wonderful because again as a parent,

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you look at that kind of stuff and you say, wow,

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I remember when you were this way, and now I

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see you this way, and I see the trajectory continuously

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moving forward and moving up in your benefit. So it's

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amazing to see the young man he is at thirty

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years old now than the young man that he was

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at nineteen years old eighteen years old. It's amazing to

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see those transitions. It's amazing to see him go to

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Scottsdale and interact with people, goes to the skating rink

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and talks to people, and goes to the neighborhoods and

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pulls people's trash cans in after the trash truck goes by,

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and it's just those things that you don't see on

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the football field that he does behind the scenes. You

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know that people don't understand. And you know he's in

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great shape, that's the thing. And he works out. He

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works out every day.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm hoping it didn't call's coming maybe hopefully.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of movements

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going around right now, a lot of NFL, a lot

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of the guys obviously getting hurt.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 1: For him, it's the thing where you know, he is

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in the best shape he's ever been in his entire career,

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which is scary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And there's no hamshring issues anymore.

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Speaker 1: You know, everything his mind, mental, he is one thousand

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percent different three sixty in his mental, preparational, his physical,

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his spiritual. I mean, I'll be honest, Jamal, and I

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went and got a blessing from his bishop and well,

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not hiss. He's not a member of the church in

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the in the bishop that the church that I go to,

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that tan the ward in the forty first ward.

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Speaker 4: He got a blessing last Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Love that, you know, and that's amazing to see him

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making those transitions, those steps to try to get closer

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to the Savior and to understand that. You know, the

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Savior went through things too, and God allowed him to

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do those things. But the Savior all also went back

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to the Father, and that's where he's at right now

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looking at you know, I'm going through certain things. Jamal

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went into the NFL red carpet, and that's what him

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and I was talking about.

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Speaker 4: I said, you went into the NFL red carpet.

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Speaker 1: You didn't get free agent contract, red carpet drafted the guy. Sure,

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now you're getting ready to understand how the guys that

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didn't get your treatment, how they are now, how that

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part of the business is. So now you'll have both

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sides of the globe to understand.

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Speaker 4: You're going in as a red carpet.

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Speaker 1: Now you're going in as a free agent, and now

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you've got to play for another couple more years. And

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then you walk away from it and say, you know what, Hey,

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I've had both ends. I've been on both spectrums, So

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I know how if I'm working, if he's broke up

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with a young man, Hey, I know how it feels

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to be drafted. Hey, I know how it feels to

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be a free agent. Now he brings so much more

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to the table. So I'm very very thankful. I'm very

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excited for him for his next step moving forward and

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playing ball again.

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Speaker 3: You need that spectrum.

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Speaker 2: It gives you a whole lot more gratitude, a whole

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lot more perspective, and you can mentor it a higher level. Indeed,

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the bitter and the sweet, right, yes, the good the

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bad you know it's not bad though, well well experience, Yeah,

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I agree with you wholeheartedly. Uh And and look like

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you know, when I say the good and bad, it's

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like it's just the spectrum of like what's that old

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adage of the old saying where it's like, you know,

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like the Brent off, like, yeah, that could be good

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or bad, you know what I mean, Like it all depends.

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And then you know, somehow like there's a there's these

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these these sequential actions that end up turning out to

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actually be good on the back end. It's just perspective,

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It just experience, and there's wisdom in.

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Speaker 4: All of it, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So lukhn ladies and gentlemen, love and appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here, Thanks for supporting locally, Thanks for

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being a part of the community, Thanks for uh lifting

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where you stand. Thanks for mentoring a young Jamal Williams

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needed that and look at look at what you guys

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have accomplished together from that time that you guys came together.

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Speaker 3: It's it's truly to.

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Speaker 2: Me one of the best stories of BYU football over

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the last thirty years. Right that that you know his

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his struggles, his adversity, and how mentorship and and support

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aided him to elevate him to an even greater height,

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right to reach new peaks. And so love you, appreciate you,

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thanks for being here here at Crumble. We got you

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some cookies, right, you got that.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we got to say one thing, Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say I love my wife, I

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love my daughter and mom.

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Speaker 4: I'll see you in a couple hours.

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Speaker 3: Let's go mom. Shout out to mom as well. We'll

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go to break.

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Speaker 2: Don't go, I stop by here at Crumble. We'll welcome

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in Jamal Williams on the flip side. Get updates from

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