Speaker 1: Big Food and on with Cliff and Bulbo.
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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hey Bobo? How you doing? Man?
Speaker 3: What's up? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing all right, doing all right. Just got back
Speaker 2: from a couple of days vacation that Melissa and I
Speaker 2: desperately needed. And I want to thank everybody who's listening
Speaker 2: for all the kind words and condolences and stuff about
Speaker 2: our beautiful dogs Sochy, Hey Bob, so Whi, I got
Speaker 2: you in the air. Let me ask you something real fast.
Speaker 2: Do I have your permission to do a Dogs of
Speaker 2: Finding Bigfoot display at the NBC. I'll take a couple
Speaker 2: of screen grabs and stuff of Monkey at her best
Speaker 2: because you know, we found Sochi on the show as well.
Speaker 2: Finding Bigfoot brought us a lot of good things to
Speaker 2: her life. So I thought that would be a good
Speaker 2: fitting tribute, and Melissa asked me if I would do it,
Speaker 2: and I want to ask your permission before I went
Speaker 2: in and grabbed a bunch of pictures of monk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: rad cool?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 2: Do you have anything around you want to you want
Speaker 2: to put in the display, like an old leash or
Speaker 2: something like that, or a caller?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, you know what I gotta. I hope I
Speaker 3: didn't toss tho, but.
Speaker 2: Look around, look around, see what she got and see
Speaker 2: what she got, okay.
Speaker 3: Because she never wore a collar though, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she always went commando. I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she didn't like wearing, so I didn't make a
Speaker 3: wear one, but she didn't really need one usually, But
Speaker 3: yeah I do. I do have a monkey one because
Speaker 3: it's got a heart and says monkey on it and
Speaker 3: it is my old phone umber, so that's our So yeah,
Speaker 3: I can get more calls again.
Speaker 2: Exactly, all right, cool cool. I'll buggy about that off
Speaker 2: the air or anything, because we've got a big show
Speaker 2: we wanted. We got a lot to talk about this episode,
Speaker 2: and the members too. We're recording late. Man, We're gonna
Speaker 2: be on this this call forever, I think, because we're
Speaker 2: our of our stupid awesome guests, stupid sexy Eli Watson.
Speaker 3: Fors gonna see the sun risebats on this episode?
Speaker 2: Is Dan? I know? I know, Hey, Eli, how you doing, man?
Speaker 4: I'm good. How are you doing?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: What's up? By?
Speaker 4: What's up? Bob?
Speaker 3: Not a mucho? Just my bowling average and GPA.
Speaker 4: Hey nice Bob.
Speaker 2: He called you the singular version of Bob's.
Speaker 4: It came out weird.
Speaker 1: So isn't that just Bob?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know, it's like I had a friend come
Speaker 4: up to me once say, hey, you know there's a
Speaker 4: book in the Bible called the Book of Job.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Eli's with the Sadan of course he's He's the
Speaker 2: skill and talent and brains behind many, many, many small
Speaker 2: Town Monsters production, including one of them that we're going
Speaker 2: to be focused on today because if anybody is in
Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest listening to this, you need to know
Speaker 2: that this coming Thursday, May twenty second is the world
Speaker 2: premiere of a Siege at Ape Canyon, that the whole
Speaker 2: Small Town Monsters Ape Canyon Extravaganza. And Eli tell me
Speaker 2: this is like a super special premiere here because am
Speaker 2: I correct in saying that the actual movie won't be
Speaker 2: publicly available until like the end of summer fall or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not exactly sure on when the official
Speaker 4: release date will be but yeah, this is the first
Speaker 4: time it's going to be publicly seen by people.
Speaker 2: So in a legit theater, the Kickens Theater in downtown Vancouver, Washington.
Speaker 2: All sorts of people are gonna You're gonna be there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be there, and Melissa is gonna come. A
Speaker 2: bunch of nerds from the North American Bigfoot Center are coming.
Speaker 2: Much of our members as well. I think a bunch
Speaker 2: of members from the podcast are going to be showing
Speaker 2: up because we mentioned it briefly on the Members episode
Speaker 2: last week. Larry Lund is going to be there. Who
Speaker 2: knows what other Bigfoot of Royalty is going to show up?
Speaker 4: Well, Mark Murcell, mister Ape Canyon himself.
Speaker 3: That's all you need to say. Yeah, yes, star of
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: It's going to be quite the star stud of it.
Speaker 4: Is. There gonna be a red carpet. There should be, yes,
Speaker 4: I honestly have no idea. I don't know the details.
Speaker 3: A brown carpet.
Speaker 4: There's going to be a brown carpet.
Speaker 2: I think you're thinking of that South Park episode at
Speaker 2: the brown Note bobes.
Speaker 3: It mixed up.
Speaker 2: We should totally do a oh man, I don't have
Speaker 2: a tux man. What am I going to do? I
Speaker 2: need to get a tuxt all right, Well anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So Thursday night at seven o'clock on May twenty second,
Speaker 2: the Cjay Canyon World Premiere at a theater called the
Speaker 2: Kiggins Cedar, a historic kiggensater in downtown Vancouver, Washington. I
Speaker 2: think it's on Main Street. But man, it's going to
Speaker 2: be a good time. All sorts of good people are
Speaker 2: going to be there. But this is all focused on
Speaker 2: the c Jay Canyon. So, Eli, you filmed it, you
Speaker 2: edited it. What, Why in the world are you involved
Speaker 2: in this or how in the world are you involved
Speaker 2: in this?
Speaker 4: Gosh? The short answer is that I I worked for
Speaker 4: Small Town Monsters and that was part of my job,
Speaker 4: was to make that movie. But the longer answer is, I, uh,
Speaker 4: back when Seth did on the Trail of Bigfoot the Discovery,
Speaker 4: which was all about the Olympic project. That was the
Speaker 4: first STM shoot I ever did, and that was the
Speaker 4: first time I met Mark Marcel and me and Mark
Speaker 4: just hit it off. So naturally, you know, Mark is
Speaker 4: super easy to get along with. We both have very
Speaker 4: similar interests in history and a little bit of you know, gossip.
Speaker 4: As well. And you know, so over the years, you know,
Speaker 4: as I did more and more stuff in the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 4: and I did my Road to Discovery series, and you know,
Speaker 4: I was coming up like every few months, I always
Speaker 4: made time to see Mark. So it just really felt natural,
Speaker 4: you know, because initially, like Seth was talking about how
Speaker 4: he wanted to do Ape Canyon. But as the discussion
Speaker 4: kind of between you know, Seth wanted to make it,
Speaker 4: and then Seth wasn't able to come out, so he
Speaker 4: was gonna have me film it. But as the discussion
Speaker 4: kind of evolved between me, Seth and Mark, it kind
Speaker 4: of became clear that with my relationship with Mark, it
Speaker 4: made the most sense for me to kind of tackle it.
Speaker 4: And since I was already going to be filming it
Speaker 4: and going up to the canyon and going to all
Speaker 4: these places and conducting all the interviews, it just made
Speaker 4: the most sense for me to kind of tackle the
Speaker 4: story in whatever way it kind of revealed itself to me.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of how I got involved.
Speaker 2: Don't take this personally, but you're kind of a newcomer
Speaker 2: on the Bigfoot scene, yeah, because you haven't been involved
Speaker 2: that long, really, and how long have you been involved.
Speaker 4: I started my podcast in twenty eighteen, but I didn't
Speaker 4: start doing field stuff till twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so five years. Yeah, you're pretty new on the
Speaker 2: grand scheme of things, you know. Oh yeah, you were
Speaker 2: aware of the Ape Canyon incident before this or were
Speaker 2: you not?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I was for sure. It was one of the first
Speaker 4: episodes of my show Crypti Campfire that I think we
Speaker 4: ever did was about Ape Canyon because that's like, that
Speaker 4: is the Bigfoot story and it's funny. After I made
Speaker 4: the movie, I went back and listened to it, and
Speaker 4: I was like, Wow, almost everything I said about Ape
Speaker 4: Canyon was just completely wrong.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Bigfooting. Yeah, I think I said it on
Speaker 2: this podcast a few weeks ago that you know, when
Speaker 2: you talk about bigfoot for a living or even as
Speaker 2: a hobby of you're bound to say things that are
Speaker 2: incorrect quite often.
Speaker 4: No, definitely. I mean that's why I kind of like
Speaker 4: my podcast so much, because you know, it started off
Speaker 4: as like a hobby, a mild interest, and then over
Speaker 4: the course of years and years, because we still do
Speaker 4: the podcast from time to time, and as I you
Speaker 4: kind of see my growth as I get more and
Speaker 4: more into the topic. The podcast is really like a
Speaker 4: record of my thoughts on Bigfoot and how they changed
Speaker 4: over time, and as I gotten involved with field research
Speaker 4: and interviewing people and meeting pretty much all the popular,
Speaker 4: well known Bigfoot researchers. I don't want to say I've
Speaker 4: met like every Bigfoot researcher because that's just not true.
Speaker 4: And like you mentioned Larry Lund, that's someone I've never
Speaker 4: met before, you know, But it's just interesting going back
Speaker 4: and listening to like my thoughts on Bigfoot in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, you know, and you can hear how I
Speaker 4: get jaded over time.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry if I had any influence on that.
Speaker 2: So now.
Speaker 4: The topic has a way of doing that to you.
Speaker 4: But you know, that's why that's why I was so
Speaker 4: excited to do Ape Canyon though, because you know, Mark
Speaker 4: is really one of those special guys. You know, Mark
Speaker 4: is just this He's an incredible, incredible person. You know,
Speaker 4: you have this line in the movie Cliff where like
Speaker 4: there's a fine line between genius and insanity and Mark
Speaker 4: is doing a wheelie on that line all the time,
Speaker 4: and that's absolutely true, and it really sunk in for
Speaker 4: me when we went up to the canyon and I
Speaker 4: saw Mark going down in the canyon and I was
Speaker 4: just like, I'm gonna have to do this, Like I
Speaker 4: can't shake him out like this, I have to get
Speaker 4: these shots. I have to go down there, you know.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to go down.
Speaker 2: No, it's horrifying. And to see Mark probably wearing like,
Speaker 2: you know, slip on shoes, carrying an eighty pound backpack,
Speaker 2: just going face first down like forward, not even backing,
Speaker 2: you know, going backwards down down the rope, walking forward
Speaker 2: down the rope. And I don't know how old Mark is.
Speaker 2: He's ageless, he could be could be forty nine, he
Speaker 2: could be eighty seven. I have no idea how old
Speaker 2: Mark is. And it's like, you can't let that guy
Speaker 2: go down and you not good and you're you're a spry,
Speaker 2: young bucket of what twenty eight years old? I have
Speaker 2: no idea how you are either, But you can't let
Speaker 2: this guy who's twice your age outshine you. But yet
Speaker 2: he does. He outshines us all.
Speaker 4: Oh, he does absolutely.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: My favorite is when we're hiking up to the canyon
Speaker 4: and he's like we've been hiking maybe ten minutes, and
Speaker 4: he goes, oh, I need a break, I need a breather,
Speaker 4: and he busts out a cigarette and starts smoking, and
Speaker 4: it's like, I'm not sure that if that's a breather.
Speaker 2: It's those pure oxygen cigarettes he smokes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, he's a beast. When we were out, he
Speaker 3: was like getting rained on. He never put on a
Speaker 3: jacket or anything. He just wants like same like cotton
Speaker 3: flannel shirt. And it was winter freezing, like you know,
Speaker 3: the mountains pouring rain like like verge of you know,
Speaker 3: thy snow, and there's Mark freaking just soaking wet and
Speaker 3: just sitting in a chair outside, doesn't didn't face and
Speaker 3: he slept in those same clothes this morning.
Speaker 4: Still went and hiked all day. Yep, he's a madiac.
Speaker 4: When we went up there, he didn't even bring a
Speaker 4: sleeping bag. He brought a blanket and slept on the rocks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: He's a beast.
Speaker 2: Well, tell us about the trip, tell us about the
Speaker 2: hike up, what you guys found up there. Some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that is not going to be seen in
Speaker 2: the footage, because I'm sure there's a there's fifty stories
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Up there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Know, water is always an issue. Tell us about your
Speaker 2: experience up there at the at the site and getting
Speaker 2: down to the location and all that sort of fun stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, it's like a six mile hike
Speaker 4: or five and a half miles from where you park
Speaker 4: your car and you hike up to the to the
Speaker 4: top of the canyon there. And I brought my brother,
Speaker 4: I brought my friend Tyler Hall, and Mark and Brad
Speaker 4: were there, Alex Pettakov was there, Shane kurse and was there,
Speaker 4: and Cindy and Jared Cadell were there, and then obviously
Speaker 4: the Mitchell brothers and we all kind of had different
Speaker 4: paces going up the mountain because you know, I you know,
Speaker 4: if I'm honest, I'm not in the best of shape.
Speaker 4: But you know, we're also carrying super heavy packs. I mean,
Speaker 4: we're packing for multiple days of camping up there. We're
Speaker 4: also packing all of our film gear up there, and
Speaker 4: so it took us a good three four hours to
Speaker 4: get up there. And it's also July because we wanted
Speaker 4: to be there for the exact one hundred year anniversary.
Speaker 4: And so like when you're watching the movie, I think
Speaker 4: I say this in the narration. But when you're watching
Speaker 4: Mark at the cabin site in the movie, that is
Speaker 4: July tenth, twenty twenty four. I think that's exactly one
Speaker 4: hundred years to the day after the fact. So that
Speaker 4: was a pretty incredible thing to do. But so we
Speaker 4: hiked up on the ninth and that was just brutally exhausting.
Speaker 4: And then of course, you know, we run out of
Speaker 4: water on the way up there, and we're like, well,
Speaker 4: Mark did say there was a spring, and you know,
Speaker 4: we're thinking it's going to be close by or something,
Speaker 4: and we get up there and it's like, no, the
Speaker 4: spring is another half a mile away and there's no shade.
Speaker 4: We're like, oh gosh. And you know the spring, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure if you've been to that exact spring, because
Speaker 4: there's like a sometimes there's this water runoff where you
Speaker 4: can get it. That's get water that's closer to the camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, you have to wait for the for
Speaker 2: the glacier above to heat up and melt, and then
Speaker 2: it's glacial silty water, you know, that kind of grayish,
Speaker 2: sort of semi translucent water, and it only runs for
Speaker 2: a couple hours until it gets too cold again and
Speaker 2: the glacier freezes up right not Yeah, so I have
Speaker 2: been to that spring that I know exactly, the one
Speaker 2: you're talking about, the one that runs all the time
Speaker 2: another half mile or more away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you get that amazing view of Mount Adams.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: It's stunning, it is. So went there, refilled our water,
Speaker 4: came back, and we basically just kind of relaxed for
Speaker 4: the rest of the day as we waited for you know,
Speaker 4: Mark took another couple hours to get up there, and
Speaker 4: you know, and that was the that was the funny part,
Speaker 4: is like we didn't know where camp was, you know,
Speaker 4: because we didn't have anyone to guide us. And like
Speaker 4: the Mitchell brothers, I mean, those guys are you want
Speaker 4: to talk about tanks? Those guys are tanks. I mean
Speaker 4: they're absolutely insane. I mean they were freaking running up
Speaker 4: that mountain. I was like, dude, I don't I don't
Speaker 4: get that. I don't get that at all.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Mitchell brothers, of course, they're the
Speaker 2: great great grandsons of one of the miners, and they're
Speaker 2: they're the guys who are absolutely insane because they rediscovered
Speaker 2: the mine shaft and and you know, Mark had been
Speaker 2: up there a number of times and got close to
Speaker 2: the mind. The mind entrance, I should say. It's not
Speaker 2: really a shaft, I guess, but it took somebody with
Speaker 2: the brazen, nonsensical attitude. If I can do anything to
Speaker 2: rediscover the mine entrance, which is exactly what the Mitchell
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we went down there on the tenth and that
Speaker 4: was just a crew of Mark myself, Tyler, my brother,
Speaker 4: and the two Mitchell brothers. We went down there. We
Speaker 4: did some filming and that makes it into the movie.
Speaker 4: You know, Tyler. Tyler had a bad accident up there
Speaker 4: and ended up cutting his arm open down to the
Speaker 4: artery and that was like super terrifying situation. Luckily, Tyler
Speaker 4: is okay. You know, he ended up getting eight stitches
Speaker 4: in his arm. He's got this gnarly scar from it,
Speaker 4: but overall he's fine. But that makes it into the
Speaker 4: movie just kind of highlight you know, anything can happen
Speaker 4: down in Ape Canyon. You know, it's when you're there
Speaker 4: in person, you can see how insane of an incline
Speaker 4: or decline that going down into the canyon actually is.
Speaker 4: But the cameras don't show that. They don't the cameras
Speaker 4: don't capture what it's like being there. So I felt
Speaker 4: like in the movie we needed something to highlight the
Speaker 4: danger of doing that. And you know, it's unfortunate what
Speaker 4: happened to Tyler, but it's also like there's more than
Speaker 4: one danger. You know, you can you can slip and
Speaker 4: fall and die, which is what I thought was gonna happen. Thankfully,
Speaker 4: no one's up and fell down to their death down
Speaker 4: an Ape canyon. But then you're in, you're at the
Speaker 4: cabin site, and you think everything's okay, and it's like, no,
Speaker 4: you still have to be vigilant because anything can happen,
Speaker 4: and you could. You could end up cutting your arm open,
Speaker 4: and you could. There's there's no way to get help
Speaker 4: down there.
Speaker 2: No in the cabin site itself, it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: a cabin site. There's probably a fifty foot flat area
Speaker 2: where an old cabin used to be. It's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: there's there's there's When you're actually standing at the cabin site.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about your experience down there,
Speaker 2: but for me, it's like, uh, looking around, thinking there's
Speaker 2: no cabin site. There's just some complete badass morons put
Speaker 2: a put a cabin here. Like the last place you
Speaker 2: should put a cabin anywhere on the planet is on
Speaker 2: this slope above that that precipice, in this crazy spot.
Speaker 2: It's like, like, who in the world would ever dream
Speaker 2: of doing that? Just monstrous bad asses who would just
Speaker 2: look laughing at death, you know, basically. And boy, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you the school system must not have been very
Speaker 2: good back in the teens and twenties, because like, what
Speaker 2: kind of person would put that stuff there? Just extraordinarily
Speaker 2: brave and foolhardy people.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll say I was at the top of Ape Canyon.
Speaker 4: I watched Mark go down, I watched the Mitchell Brothers
Speaker 4: go down. I'm getting ready to go down. I throw
Speaker 4: my backpack on and I had a sling bag for
Speaker 4: the camera because I wanted to be able to tuck it,
Speaker 4: you know, safely, so there wasn't any chance of me
Speaker 4: dropping the camera. And I had set everything down because
Speaker 4: it's a bit of a hike to get to the
Speaker 4: top of Pumics. But and so I set everything down.
Speaker 4: I throw my backpack on and it catches the strap
Speaker 4: for the sling bag and the camera freaking flies all
Speaker 4: the way around me and flings off right down into
Speaker 4: the canyon. And this is like sus like four thousand
Speaker 4: dollars camera and I'm just watching it tumble down, and
Speaker 4: I was like, great, there goes the movie. And you know,
Speaker 4: there was radio communication between me and Braiden, and Braiden
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I'll go look for it. And I
Speaker 4: was like, are you sure, like cause you guys are
Speaker 4: off to the left and this thing went down to
Speaker 4: the right and I was like, I didn't see it.
Speaker 4: Stop moving. I'm pretty sure it fell all the way down.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, I'll go look. And him and Jared
Speaker 4: just start, you know, free handing it. Not even free
Speaker 4: handing it. They're just walking across, you know, all the
Speaker 4: slate and the shale, you know, and they're just and
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, we found the camera. We found the camera,
Speaker 4: and I was like, you guys are insane. And so
Speaker 4: when you see that and you're like, so these are
Speaker 4: the great grandsons of Leroy Perry Smith, who was one
Speaker 4: of the original Minders, You're like, oh, it all makes sense.
Speaker 4: Of course they would make a cabin here because that's
Speaker 4: just who they are, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it takes people like that to not know
Speaker 2: any better. But no, but honestly, they're they're great, adventurous people.
Speaker 2: Like I met the grandsons, we did a special event
Speaker 2: at the NABC. Fantastic individuals, every single one of them.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they got to go down and are
Speaker 2: going to be featured in the movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh and just genuine people too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, real solid, neat people. Yeah. What other though, Did
Speaker 2: you make it down to the mind Entrance?
Speaker 4: I did not, actually, because everything that happened with Tyler.
Speaker 4: We were getting ready to go down to the mind Shaft,
Speaker 4: and that's when disaster struck with Tyler, so that kind
Speaker 4: of put a damper on those plans. We never actually
Speaker 4: I never actually saw the mine. I will probably never
Speaker 4: see the mine in my life because I don't think
Speaker 4: I'm going to go back down there.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you like that, do you
Speaker 2: do you have a draw to go back down? Like
Speaker 2: I know you just you just answered the question here,
Speaker 2: but like how painful is that to know that you're
Speaker 2: not going to do that.
Speaker 4: I'm okay, I can live with it. I was literally
Speaker 4: having stressed dreams leading up to it, you know, Like
Speaker 4: I said, I brought my brother along. My brother graduated
Speaker 4: college last May, and he shot me a message and
Speaker 4: he said, you know, the only thing I really want
Speaker 4: to do this summer is go camping with you. And
Speaker 4: I said, well, this is like a once in a
Speaker 4: lifetime opportunity. We're doing this Ape Canyon movie. You should
Speaker 4: come along. And of course, the closer and closer we
Speaker 4: got and the more mark described what the dissent would
Speaker 4: be like, I was like, did I just make a mistake?
Speaker 4: You know, I distinctly had a dream right before we
Speaker 4: went up there, like a week before, and it was
Speaker 4: me and my brother alone climbing up out of the canyon,
Speaker 4: and I heard my brother like yell, and so I
Speaker 4: turned around and I looked, and he had this backpack on,
Speaker 4: and he had lost his step, he had lost his
Speaker 4: footing and he fell over backwards down into the canyon,
Speaker 4: and I just remember in the dream like feeling so helpless,
Speaker 4: like I just witnessed my brother dying. And then that
Speaker 4: was like so weird because you know, we went down
Speaker 4: Tyler had his accident, and then like everything was kind
Speaker 4: of in disarray because I was like, well, I need
Speaker 4: to get back up so I can get service, so
Speaker 4: I can tell Seth what's going on. And Mark was like, okay,
Speaker 4: well I'm going to stay back a little bit and
Speaker 4: eat my lunch and whatnot. And so I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, come on, Joey, let's go up. And we're
Speaker 4: hiking up and I was like, I'm determined to make
Speaker 4: this dream not come true. And so I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to wear the backpack and my brother's going
Speaker 4: to stay in front of me the entire time because
Speaker 4: in the dream he was wearing the backpack and he
Speaker 4: was behind me. And we got to this one spot
Speaker 4: where we were taking a breath and I turned around
Speaker 4: and I looked and I was like, this is this
Speaker 4: is the spot from my dream, like where And I've
Speaker 4: had like freaky dreams in the past where I've seen
Speaker 4: things that are like eerily spot on, Like before I
Speaker 4: started dating my girlfriend, I had a dream about visiting
Speaker 4: her at her parents' house, and I had never seen
Speaker 4: her parents house before. And then when I went to
Speaker 4: her parents' house for the first time, I was like,
Speaker 4: this is exactly from my dream. And so that was
Speaker 4: like another moment where I like turned around and I
Speaker 4: looked down and I was like, holy crap, this is
Speaker 4: the spot from my dream where I saw my brother die.
Speaker 4: And I didn't tell my brother about the dream until
Speaker 4: after we got out of there, but I just I
Speaker 4: didn't want to speak it into existence. But we got
Speaker 4: out of there and I was just like, holy crap.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the canyon is no joke. I don't blame
Speaker 2: you for not going down to the mine site. That
Speaker 2: last time I attempted to get down to the cabin site.
Speaker 2: I didn't even make it because were those those were
Speaker 2: those mountain goats poking around in the canyon when you
Speaker 2: were down there, because they were there when I was
Speaker 2: there last year ago July, and I was around the
Speaker 2: ninety ninth anniversary and on my way down, the mountain
Speaker 2: goats were at the same level as me, but on
Speaker 2: a different you know, little finger of the mountain and
Speaker 2: just looking over at me, going like what in the world.
Speaker 2: Are you doing here?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, no mountain goats this time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, because I was talked off the ledge
Speaker 2: by one of those mountain goats like they are going,
Speaker 2: what are you doing here? And I looked at the
Speaker 2: goat and I went, yeah, you're right, what am I
Speaker 2: doing here? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I've seen your video?
Speaker 2: Okay, God, I was going to say I should have
Speaker 2: sent you sent you that video as a warning or something.
Speaker 1: You know, if it's not too much of a spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: Did Tyler have to be extracted out of there or
Speaker 1: like when you called for help or how did that
Speaker 1: end up turning out? Unless you want us to wait
Speaker 1: for the film.
Speaker 4: Oh no, So Tyler, there's no service down there. Luckily,
Speaker 4: Jared Mitchell had a satellite phone, so he was able
Speaker 4: to contact emergency services and they basically said that they
Speaker 4: weren't going to come for us. That was like holy cow.
Speaker 4: And we were all there and we all heard it
Speaker 4: and we're like, holy crap. And so Tyler was just
Speaker 4: like and that was the other thing. You know, Jared
Speaker 4: or Braiden had a tourniquit that he put on Tyler's arm,
Speaker 4: you know, cause like Tyler cut his arm and this
Speaker 4: all happened like thirty seconds. So like, Tyler cut his arm.
Speaker 4: I was turned around looking another way, trying to figure
Speaker 4: out a shot. And then Mark and Tyler didn't even
Speaker 4: notice he had cut his arm. Mark Mark saw it
Speaker 4: first and he saw the blood spurting out of his
Speaker 4: arm and was like, Tyler, I think you cut yourself.
Speaker 4: And Tyler looked down and we all looked down and
Speaker 4: we just see the blood just like come at gushing
Speaker 4: out of his arm. We're like, holy crap. And Tyler
Speaker 4: was like, Eli, you need to put your leg on
Speaker 4: my arm right now, and so I just jumped over.
Speaker 4: I put my knee on his arm, and Braiden comes
Speaker 4: over with the tourniquit and he's putting the tournique on.
Speaker 4: The tournique breaks and we're like, holy crap. Luckily Mark
Speaker 4: had a leather belt that we ended up using as
Speaker 4: a tourniquit, you know, And then we heard that and
Speaker 4: we're like, okay, we we need to figure something else out.
Speaker 4: And so basically we had a Israeli bandage. We put
Speaker 4: that on Tyler as well, and then Tyler kept his
Speaker 4: arm elevated Tyder rope around. Uh. I think Jared's waste,
Speaker 4: and they basically him and Bryden tugged him up, brought
Speaker 4: him out of there, and Tyler had to walk down
Speaker 4: and that's where they were gonna they were going to
Speaker 4: meet him down in the parking lot, fricking six miles away.
Speaker 4: They ended up sending people on bikes, which they didn't
Speaker 4: have room for Tyler, so I'm not sure what that
Speaker 4: was all about, but they ended up walking Tyler back down.
Speaker 4: They took him to the hospital and whatnot. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that was extreme, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, that's wild. Luckily, Tyler has a lot of experience,
Speaker 1: you know, law enforcement experience and other forms of training,
Speaker 1: and so glad he was able to keep a cool head.
Speaker 1: I met Tyler when we filmed The Agents last year,
Speaker 1: like that do a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyler's great.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more big Foot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 2: and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Things
Speaker 2: can get real serious, real fast when you're out there,
Speaker 2: little things like you know, not to say that was
Speaker 2: a little cut or anything. It sounds like it's quite bad,
Speaker 2: but at home it would be a much much, much
Speaker 2: smaller deal than six and a half miles up and
Speaker 2: then down this forsaken cliff in the middle of god
Speaker 2: knows where, you know, with apes everywhere.
Speaker 4: And with apes. Yeah, well, yeah, so that was wild.
Speaker 4: You know, I've shared this story once before on a
Speaker 4: STM live stream, but those those have a way of
Speaker 4: getting lost. But there was something very interesting I actually
Speaker 4: I think I told you about it, Cliff. A couple
Speaker 4: of days after it happened, we came down and visited
Speaker 4: the museum, but it was the third night, so you know,
Speaker 4: July tenth is when I went down there. Ly leven
Speaker 4: is when Alex and the rest of the crew went down.
Speaker 4: And uh, oh, by the way, the mine the mind
Speaker 4: does make it into the film, like we get to
Speaker 4: see the mine in the film through the Mitchell's perspective,
Speaker 4: and I think I used a little bit of Alex's
Speaker 4: footage some of Shane's footage as well, so you do
Speaker 4: get to see the mine in the film. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so you know, the campsite, as you know, is like
Speaker 4: all covered in ash still from the nineteen eighty eruption,
Speaker 4: which is forty five years ago now. But you know,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking it's the middle of July, it's not going
Speaker 4: to rain, and uh, I'm not bringing a tent. I
Speaker 4: don't want to. I don't want the extra weight going
Speaker 4: up the mountain. I'm not bringing a tent. Well, the
Speaker 4: wind picked up on that third day when Alex and
Speaker 4: them went down, and it starts blowing the ash everywhere,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's like getting in my eyes and stuff.
Speaker 4: And then that night the wind just picks up even more.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, dude, I don't want to stay here.
Speaker 4: And so Brad, you know, Mark's right hand man, Brad.
Speaker 4: Brad had this like five by five plastic tarp that
Speaker 4: he set up for me and my brother, and he
Speaker 4: tied it up in these trees, you know, real loaded
Speaker 4: the ground to kind of create a wind break. So
Speaker 4: I'm like basically sleeping with like a tarp like an
Speaker 4: inch in front of my face. But it's better than
Speaker 4: being in the wind and getting ash blown all over you.
Speaker 4: But uh. I went to bed around eleven and I
Speaker 4: wake up a little bit later. The wind had died down,
Speaker 4: and I wake up and I'm completely twisted around in
Speaker 4: my sleeping bag and my sleeping pad is completely deflated,
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, I'm really uncomfortable, but maybe
Speaker 4: it's like five six in the morning, like right, before
Speaker 4: the sun comes up and I can tough it out.
Speaker 4: I check my phone and it's midnight, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I have the whole night ahead of me. It was
Speaker 4: the second time my sleeping pad had deflated, and so
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not I'm not going to blow it
Speaker 4: up again because there's a hole in it. And that
Speaker 4: was the last time I ever used an inflatable sleeping pad.
Speaker 4: You got to get one of the actual mats because
Speaker 4: the inflatable ones suck. That's my pro camping tip for
Speaker 4: anybody out there. And I didn't want to get out
Speaker 4: of my sleeping bag and get back in it, and
Speaker 4: so I'm like wrestling with it to straighten it out
Speaker 4: so I can be comfortable enough to go back to bed.
Speaker 4: And so I'm kind of aggravated about that. I'm wrestling
Speaker 4: with it, and then I'm laying there and I'm calm.
Speaker 4: I had been laying there for like maybe thirty seconds,
Speaker 4: and then I feel a hand grab my foot and
Speaker 4: I immediately thought it was Brad. And you know, because
Speaker 4: Brad's a jokester, you know, sometimes I think he jokes
Speaker 4: too much, and so I'm not in the mood to
Speaker 4: like joke around with Brad at this moment. So I'm
Speaker 4: just like, I'm not gonna give him the response he wants.
Speaker 4: He wants me to say something, and so I'm just
Speaker 4: like laying there, letting this hand hold my foot, and
Speaker 4: it's like thirty seconds goes by and there's like no sound,
Speaker 4: there's no voice, there's no like go to bed Eli,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, this is getting a little weird, you know.
Speaker 4: And my feet are hanging out of the tarp. You know,
Speaker 4: it's like five by five and I'm like five tens,
Speaker 4: so like everything from my knee knees below is outside
Speaker 4: of the tarp. And so I'm like, this is weird,
Speaker 4: and so I pull my feet underneath the tarp and
Speaker 4: it just lets go of my foot and then I'm
Speaker 4: like listening and there's there's no voice, there's no laughter,
Speaker 4: there's nothing. And I hear it walk across. So I'm
Speaker 4: on the right side of the tar. My brother's on
Speaker 4: the left, on my left, and he's he's snoring at
Speaker 4: this point in time, and I hear this thing because
Speaker 4: again I can't see because the tarp is like an
Speaker 4: inch away from my face. I hear it walk to
Speaker 4: the left and then I hear it walk alongside the
Speaker 4: tarp on the left hand side, and then it stops
Speaker 4: right behind us. And then I'm still kind of thinking.
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's probably Brad or something, you know, because
Speaker 4: Brad is he's a weird guy, so maybe he just
Speaker 4: didn't say anything. But that's when I hear Brad, who's
Speaker 4: camped off to my right. I hear him clear his throat,
Speaker 4: and so I'm like, Okay, so Brad is off to
Speaker 4: my right and he's in his spot, so whatever this
Speaker 4: is isn't Brad. And then you know, Brad had all
Speaker 4: these mountainhouse meals that he had tied up into this
Speaker 4: tree to prevent the wind from blowing them away, and
Speaker 4: whatever this is, it starts grabbing the bags and I
Speaker 4: would say, like, like, it didn't open the bags, and
Speaker 4: it didn't like tear open the bags either. It was
Speaker 4: like crinkling them, like like if you were grabbing a
Speaker 4: bag of chips, you know, and you were just kind
Speaker 4: of crinkling it. And I could hear this crinkling sound
Speaker 4: and that's when like my heart is like beating out
Speaker 4: of my chest and I'm like, I don't know what
Speaker 4: this is, and like it doesn't make sense, you know,
Speaker 4: Like I said, there's a lot of people in the camp,
Speaker 4: but like I don't see anyone, Like why would they
Speaker 4: come up to this tree and start grabbing the bags
Speaker 4: like they they all know that Brad's trash is in
Speaker 4: this tree. And then it does that for about a minute,
Speaker 4: and then it turns and it walks away off to
Speaker 4: my right, but like backwards to my right, so not
Speaker 4: like towards Brad's spot, but off towards the mountain where
Speaker 4: there's nothing, there's nothing out there. And I hear it
Speaker 4: walk away, and it's walking on all the pummus and
Speaker 4: all the volcanic rocks out there, and I'm just like,
Speaker 4: what the heck was that? And the and the most
Speaker 4: bizarre thing is I just went to bed. I just
Speaker 4: fell asleep after that, so and you know, I wake
Speaker 4: up in the morning. There's no you know, like if
Speaker 4: it was a wild animal that was trying to get
Speaker 4: into the bags, you might expect like all the trash
Speaker 4: to be scattered everywhere, but no, all the bread, all
Speaker 4: the bags are intact. They're still up in the tree.
Speaker 4: There's no footprints. And I start talking to everybody. I
Speaker 4: start telling everybody about the experience.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I first tell my brother, you know, I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure you were asleep when this happened, but
Speaker 4: do you do you remember hearing anything? He was like, no,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm talking to Shane, I'm talking to Alex,
Speaker 4: I'm talking to Mark, I'm talking to Brad, and everyone's
Speaker 4: like no, we were all asleep by midnight, you know.
Speaker 4: And I was like, then, I don't know what this was,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, you start running through all the
Speaker 4: possibilities in your mind, you know, You're like, well, maybe
Speaker 4: it was like a bear, you know, and it's like, no,
Speaker 4: I don't think it was a bear because when it
Speaker 4: grabbed my foot, it was both sides of my foot,
Speaker 4: which is why I thought it was a hand, which
Speaker 4: is why I thought it was a person, you know.
Speaker 4: And the only way a bear could touch both sides
Speaker 4: of your foot at the same time is if it
Speaker 4: put your foot in its mouth. And I didn't feel teeth,
Speaker 4: so then I'm thinking, well, could it have been like
Speaker 4: another camper? But then I'm like that doesn't really make sense. Like,
Speaker 4: if your goal is to sneak into someone's camp at night,
Speaker 4: you're not just gonna grab someone's foot.
Speaker 2: It is immensely strange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, squatched me, squatches do that, So I don't see why.
Speaker 3: It's so it's not out of the ordinary. It's out
Speaker 3: of the ordinary, but it's not like it's unusual, but
Speaker 3: it's not unheard of it at all.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, one of these days I'll have to tell
Speaker 1: you a similar experience I had. That's that's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 4: Well then it's like, you know, then I'm put in
Speaker 4: a weird spot, you know, because I've had you know,
Speaker 4: audio encounters, like I've heard knocks out in the woods.
Speaker 4: I've heard footprints out in the you know, I've heard
Speaker 4: walking out in the woods before, and I've found footprints
Speaker 4: out in the woods before. But like, you know that
Speaker 4: that's when it like really sunk in with me, with
Speaker 4: all these witnesses that are afraid to come forward with
Speaker 4: their experience and be like, you know, people are going
Speaker 4: to think I'm crazy, and it's like I feel like
Speaker 4: like even now, I'm still kind of nervous sharing the
Speaker 4: story because it's like what do I tell people, like
Speaker 4: a big foot grabbed my foot? You know, It's like
Speaker 4: that's so that's so out there. But like like Bobo said,
Speaker 4: you know, I've I've definitely heard stories of you know,
Speaker 4: similar stuff happening, so I know it's not like completely
Speaker 4: out of the ordinary for a sasquatch experience, but it's
Speaker 4: just so weird to me.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if you had that sensation,
Speaker 1: but then, you know, I was thinking about the fact
Speaker 1: that you had to ask the other people if they
Speaker 1: were up, because in my experience Camp Visitation, I was
Speaker 1: asleep in my vehicle, but it was right outside of
Speaker 1: the vehicle and it shook the vehicle. It's a long story,
Speaker 1: but it went through trash and I expected to find
Speaker 1: a mess if it was a bear, and there was none.
Speaker 1: None of the trash was disturbed. But I heard it
Speaker 1: go through this trash bag for a lengthy time, and
Speaker 1: it shook me so much because I was awake and
Speaker 1: this was like right before sun up. I thought for
Speaker 1: a long time before anyone got up, and I convinced myself, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm ever going to tell anyone about this,
Speaker 1: because I don't know that people will believe me, even
Speaker 1: though I'm there with like five of my favorite squatching buddies.
Speaker 1: I just thought, God, no one is going to believe this.
Speaker 1: No one's going to believe this, Like, I probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: even tell anyone, So I totally understand.
Speaker 3: Let's hear it.
Speaker 1: For what happened, I'll tell it on a members episode
Speaker 1: or something, because it takes a while to tell.
Speaker 3: I'm holding to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was bizarre, man, But yeah, that's Ape Canyon
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 1: That was the great great great grandchild of the ape
Speaker 1: that bothered Leroy.
Speaker 2: It could have been, it could have been.
Speaker 4: And you know that spot, you know, I mean Mark
Speaker 4: and Brad have heard stuff there before they found they
Speaker 4: cast a footprint there or very close by before. I think, Cliff,
Speaker 4: you were there for that or did you.
Speaker 2: Cast No, No, that was the year before I win.
Speaker 4: That was the year before you win. I mean, so
Speaker 4: there's like a precedent. There's still stuff going on in
Speaker 4: the Ape Canyon area, and then even on the other
Speaker 4: side of the mountain there. I mean you have like
Speaker 4: the North Fork Survivor Museum with Joe bon Giovanni and
Speaker 4: you know, Chris Spencer was doing audio research there. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's still stuff happening around Mount Saint Helen's, you know.
Speaker 4: But I guess I just didn't expect to be that close.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's what you get. Stay tuned for
Speaker 2: more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be
Speaker 2: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm excited for people to see the Ape
Speaker 4: Canyon movie. You know. It means a lot to me
Speaker 4: on you know, several different levels.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Obviously it's like the biggest Bigfoot story. If you're into Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: you know about Ape Canyon. And like I was saying earlier,
Speaker 4: you know, there's so many inaccuracies that you find online
Speaker 4: and I'm you know, I'm guilty of adding to that
Speaker 4: through my own podcast, but uh, you know, Mark has
Speaker 4: done the research. You know, I consider Mark a really
Speaker 4: good friend. I talked to Mark a couple of times
Speaker 4: a month, you know, and I mean we talk about everything.
Speaker 4: We talk about life and stuff, you know, and I think,
Speaker 4: you know, I had the chance.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: There was some back and forth creative stuff about the
Speaker 4: direction of this movie, but I was like, I was
Speaker 4: really pushing for this. I was like, when I filmed it,
Speaker 4: I was like, this isn't really a Bigfoot movie. And
Speaker 4: I know some of the Bigfoot diehard people are going
Speaker 4: to be maybe a little upset with that. There's not
Speaker 4: enough Bigfoot evidence. But I'm like, no, you have this
Speaker 4: really really great story about Mark Marcel, who's this great
Speaker 4: guy who did something of significant historical importance. You know,
Speaker 4: this is a historical film. It's about a researcher. You know,
Speaker 4: it's not so much about the Bigfoot. I mean, there's
Speaker 4: no way like Mark found the cabin period, but there's
Speaker 4: no way you could prove that the miners were attacked
Speaker 4: by Sasquatches there in nineteen twenty four. There wouldn't be
Speaker 4: any evidence of that left over, you know. So it's
Speaker 4: like you have to kind of focus on like this
Speaker 4: is a piece of history that belongs to you know, Longview,
Speaker 4: Washington that has largely been forgotten. You know, it was
Speaker 4: part of the folklore there. You know, there's the miners
Speaker 4: went into town and shared the story and I'm sure
Speaker 4: it was the hubbub for the next years, but over
Speaker 4: time it's been forgotten. I mean, it's one hundred years ago.
Speaker 4: And then you get into like, you know, Betty Mitchell,
Speaker 4: the daughter of Leroy Perry Smith, is interviewed in the film,
Speaker 4: and she talks about how she didn't hear the story
Speaker 4: growing up, or or she did hear the story growing up,
Speaker 4: but didn't know that it was her father who was
Speaker 4: involved with it, you know, and it's just like there's
Speaker 4: this really human story to it. And that's like always,
Speaker 4: always my goal with telling these documentaries is like, what
Speaker 4: what's the human element of it? You know, That's that's
Speaker 4: always my interest, more than the bigfoot thing, you know,
Speaker 4: And maybe that makes some people upset. I don't really care, though.
Speaker 1: No, I think I think you're so incredibly good at that.
Speaker 1: And you know, your your Sierra's series, which I'll link
Speaker 1: in the show notes here. You know, I heard that story,
Speaker 1: you know, the Justin Smaya story when it first started
Speaker 1: like circulating amongst the people that were involved. And it's
Speaker 1: a sensational story, and so I think most people's instinct,
Speaker 1: as you could tell from all the past representations, is
Speaker 1: to sensationalize it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: On this week's episode of yadaa YadA, you know, the
Speaker 1: shooting of a sasquatch, and your telling of that story
Speaker 1: was so human and so calm and well paced and
Speaker 1: well edited, well presented, your musical choices, the footage, just
Speaker 1: everything about it. When I saw that first episode, my
Speaker 1: wife and I watched it and we both loved it,
Speaker 1: and I was texting a bunch of people like you
Speaker 1: have to watch this. It doesn't matter whether you believe
Speaker 1: the story is true or not. I'm not even asking
Speaker 1: anyone that just like, this is the single best treatment
Speaker 1: of a Sasquatch story or claim that I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: and I would I'd say it to this day and
Speaker 1: to all our listeners, like, that's my favorite Sasquatch documentary,
Speaker 1: that whole series. I'm looking forward to seeing that series
Speaker 1: play out. But also that same human treatment given to
Speaker 1: this ape Canaan story sounds amazing to me.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, you know, and that you know that
Speaker 4: was again my goal with the Sierras too. It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, that was a case I had personal interest
Speaker 4: in looking into because I just wanted to know what
Speaker 4: was going on with that whole thing. And you know
Speaker 4: what I discovered is that, you know, there is a
Speaker 4: human story to it, and you know, whether you believe
Speaker 4: Justin or not. Whether I believe Justin or not is
Speaker 4: not really the question that's being asked in the film
Speaker 4: or in that series. It's it's like, just here's a
Speaker 4: person who believes or thinks you know that they did this,
Speaker 4: or is claiming that they did this, you know, but
Speaker 4: it doesn't exist in a vacuum, you know. It draws
Speaker 4: in so many different people from the bigfoot world, like
Speaker 4: Bart Katino and Todd Hale and Rosahebe and Derek Randalls,
Speaker 4: you know, and all of them make an appearance in
Speaker 4: that series and they all have a chance to speak
Speaker 4: their mind on what they think happened. And you know,
Speaker 4: as Stacy Brown was involved, you know, and it's just
Speaker 4: like it was such a big story and it involves
Speaker 4: so many people and so many different elements, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's a convoluted story and it was a challenge to
Speaker 4: be able to tell right And it's like I just
Speaker 4: resorted to what I feel like i'm good at, which
Speaker 4: is just focusing on the human element. And it's like,
Speaker 4: how did this affect people's lives? Talking with Seth, you know,
Speaker 4: like the original vision for Small Town Monsters was less
Speaker 4: focus on bigfoot evidence and more like, Okay, well here
Speaker 4: are these people who claim they've seen a bigfoot. How
Speaker 4: has it affected their life? You know, what's the aftermath
Speaker 4: of seeing a bigfoot? And that and that is the
Speaker 4: goal with the Sierras. It's like, Okay, this guy makes
Speaker 4: this extraordinary claim, Well, what's the aftermath of that? And
Speaker 4: how does it affect the people involved? And I think
Speaker 4: that's really what's.
Speaker 1: In You are supremely good at that, and I think
Speaker 1: that's a hallmark of small town Monsters. Like whenever my
Speaker 1: friends have appeared in any Small Town Monsters production, they
Speaker 1: come across as I know them, which is never the
Speaker 1: case with like network television or one offs or like
Speaker 1: most documentaries. You know, because people are very easy to caricature,
Speaker 1: and so they get put into certain situations and then
Speaker 1: edited in such a way that you only see this
Speaker 1: one dimensional aspect of a person. And because of the
Speaker 1: treatment you give to people that I know, and they
Speaker 1: appear as I know them, that trust extends to like
Speaker 1: when I watch your films with people I've never met,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that must be who they really are,
Speaker 1: because I know that you're not trying to present, you know,
Speaker 1: like a preconceived variant of who you think that person is.
Speaker 1: You're letting that person be them, And that's super special.
Speaker 1: It's exceedingly rare. So I cannot wait to see the
Speaker 1: Cejday Cave for that reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and I'll throw this out one last bit
Speaker 4: here is the the upcoming NABC documentary, which I shot
Speaker 4: with Cliff last March. Finally in the editing room, finally
Speaker 4: cutting that together, and I'm going through all the interviews,
Speaker 4: and I'm so so excited because, excuse me, Cliff, but
Speaker 4: I think you really open up in a very personal
Speaker 4: way that I don't always see you do in public appearances.
Speaker 4: So you know, you're you're a tough nut to crack, Cliff.
Speaker 4: I think I got you to open up a little
Speaker 4: bit and we get a peak of the genuine human
Speaker 4: being you are underneath, you know.
Speaker 2: Damn you eli.
Speaker 4: When you're not finding Bigfoot, Cliff.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I'm teacher Cliff on most TV shows,
Speaker 2: but when I'm with my friends, I'm certainly less guarded
Speaker 2: friends and pigeons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so excited too, because, you know, we get
Speaker 4: into a little bit, you know, about how you and
Speaker 4: Melissa met, and you know, just kind of I don't
Speaker 4: know the documentary, Sure, it's about the NABC, but it's
Speaker 4: really about you, you know, and I'm really excited for
Speaker 4: people to see that. Maybe you don't like that, but
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: That comes out pretty soon too, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it'll come out for Squad members on May
Speaker 4: twenty second, saying not as the premiere, but it'll make it.
Speaker 4: It'll be public on the twenty sixth.
Speaker 1: I believe, Oh very cool.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I was going to say about your h the documentaries,
Speaker 3: I was the Justin one was the kill site was
Speaker 3: I wish I got you the video where Justin was
Speaker 3: telling all us all the first story on location, all
Speaker 3: of us for the first time. I was the only
Speaker 3: guy videotape in the whole thing. And that's when my
Speaker 3: dog Monkey flipped out when he said he buried the
Speaker 3: baby one like he said, I still eat that bush
Speaker 3: and buried it right there. Monkey went over there and
Speaker 3: was she was. She was like fifty that. We were
Speaker 3: about fifteen feet away, and she just starts barking at
Speaker 3: the ground and digging crazy and biting the dirt and
Speaker 3: digging and barking and barking, and dude, we thought we
Speaker 3: had it, like Melder, Maya, Chinsky, Derek, we were just
Speaker 3: like all our mouths. Tropp were like, no wad. Justin
Speaker 3: was like I told you, I told you, you know,
Speaker 3: and that we dug and we couldn't find anything. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it was interesting that that to all of a
Speaker 3: sudden there that was like one of the most compelling
Speaker 3: things about his story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I remember you told me that and I
Speaker 4: called you.
Speaker 3: I couldn't find it.
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's gone.
Speaker 3: I looked. I'm gonna go through some more boxes coming up,
Speaker 3: but I think, well, the camera got smashed, and I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure that was that. That was the I had
Speaker 3: two Yeah, there was two cards and I I can't
Speaker 3: remember which one was was in the camera because that
Speaker 3: one that that SD car got snapped in like three pieces.
Speaker 3: They got run over. But anyways, Yeah, that that would
Speaker 3: have been so bull that was in the dock? Is
Speaker 3: that what it was? It was if you were there,
Speaker 3: it was like wow, like you really thought it like
Speaker 3: it was we thought.
Speaker 4: For sure it was there. Yeah, there's a lot going
Speaker 4: on with that case. That's what I just keep saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, you do excellent work. I've been telling
Speaker 1: everybody they have to watch that and your other films too.
Speaker 1: You know, I've recommended the San Diego County Oriented when
Speaker 1: where you covered a bit of the Zubi's case, and
Speaker 1: also that Long Term Witness because I've always been fascinated
Speaker 1: with that so cal activity and so that one in
Speaker 1: particular I really really enjoyed. So I hope every one
Speaker 1: of our listeners, if they haven't seen those already, I'll
Speaker 1: link them all in the show notes because they need
Speaker 1: to check those out for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm really blown away by that, because I mean
Speaker 4: that that whole series kind of came together as like
Speaker 4: Seth was like, why don't you look for Bigfoot where
Speaker 4: you live? And I was like, in southern California, you know,
Speaker 4: And you know, the more I started digging, the more
Speaker 4: I kept uncovering, and I really turned some heads, I
Speaker 4: guess because I'm still I got an email two days
Speaker 4: ago about someone saying that they had an encounter in
Speaker 4: the Santa Monica Mountains, and I was like, what the heck?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I find that Southern California was super interesting.
Speaker 2: Well all right, but we need to move on and
Speaker 2: go do a members episode. But for everybody listening yet,
Speaker 2: that's been Eli Watson here and thanks so much for
Speaker 2: coming on. Hopefully I'll see some of you guys at
Speaker 2: the Kiggens Cedar this coming Thursday night, May twenty second,
Speaker 2: at seven pm Kiggensedars in downtown Vancouver, Washington. That's K
Speaker 2: I G. G I n s. It's a historical theater.
Speaker 2: Lots of cool things are always being shown there with
Speaker 2: kind of one of those little private movie houses, you know.
Speaker 2: And we're going to be watching the Siege of Ape
Speaker 2: Canyon with Mark Marcel and Eli is going to be there,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be there, Melissa is going to
Speaker 2: be there. All sorts of good folks are going to
Speaker 2: be there, probably some of the folks that you see
Speaker 2: on screen as well. I have a text out the
Speaker 2: Shane Courson to find out if he's going to be there,
Speaker 2: but he has not texted me back yet. I sure
Speaker 2: hope he is. This is going to be a good,
Speaker 2: good time. I might bring just like a little piece
Speaker 2: of red carpet so I can walk around on it.
Speaker 2: Might might just get some red carpet, you know, glued
Speaker 2: on the bottom of my shoes or something. This is
Speaker 2: going to be a fun, fun event. Hopefully people will
Speaker 2: come out and check it out. But members stuff is next.
Speaker 2: If you want to be a member, check out that
Speaker 2: link at that map Proof will put in the show notes.
Speaker 2: If you are a member, you pay five bucks a month.
Speaker 2: You get this episode the regular stuff, completely advertisement free,
Speaker 2: completely free of all ads, and you also get a
Speaker 2: bonus episode every single week, every single week. That's two
Speaker 2: hours of all of us folks here on this side
Speaker 2: of the microphone, every single week. So maybe that's something
Speaker 2: you want to do. Anything else you guys want to
Speaker 2: push before we get out of here.
Speaker 4: Go watch the NABC documentary when it comes out.
Speaker 2: Don't listen to him. It's gonna be embarrassing.
Speaker 4: No, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: I just maybe wants to watch it more.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a good thing, I trust you, Eli.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad you do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is probably why I'm not going to watch it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, thanks for doing that for us, honestly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, folks, that's a wrap with our friend Eli Watson
Speaker 3: from Small Town Monsters. You can meet him in person
Speaker 3: with Cliff next week up in the Kickings Theater and
Speaker 3: Benkip watching the Ken movie. I would if I could
Speaker 3: make it out be there. You're a fool, I feel
Speaker 3: of anywhere in the Northwest. Don't go to that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so congratulations on that. Can wait to see it, and
Speaker 3: thanks for listening everyone. Until next week, y'all, keep it Squatchy.
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