WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.279 Big Food and on with Cliff and Bulbo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:13.039 These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid. 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:20.039 It live Stock and me righteous on Quesh today and 4 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:24.879 listening watchy Limb always keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.600 And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. 6 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:32.719 Hey Bobo? How you doing? Man? 7 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:34.920 What's up? How are you? 8 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:36.840 I'm doing all right, doing all right. Just got back 9 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:38.759 from a couple of days vacation that Melissa and I 10 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:41.000 desperately needed. And I want to thank everybody who's listening 11 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:43.600 for all the kind words and condolences and stuff about 12 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:46.280 our beautiful dogs Sochy, Hey Bob, so Whi, I got 13 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:47.880 you in the air. Let me ask you something real fast. 14 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:50.679 Do I have your permission to do a Dogs of 15 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.079 Finding Bigfoot display at the NBC. I'll take a couple 16 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:56.079 of screen grabs and stuff of Monkey at her best 17 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:58.439 because you know, we found Sochi on the show as well. 18 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:01.600 Finding Bigfoot brought us a lot of good things to 19 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:02.880 her life. So I thought that would be a good 20 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:05.480 fitting tribute, and Melissa asked me if I would do it, 21 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:07.079 and I want to ask your permission before I went 22 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:10.719 in and grabbed a bunch of pictures of monk. Yeah, 23 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:11.480 rad cool? 24 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:11.840 Cool? 25 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:13.400 Do you have anything around you want to you want 26 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:15.000 to put in the display, like an old leash or 27 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:16.480 something like that, or a caller? 28 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:19.680 Uh? Yeah, you know what I gotta. I hope I 29 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:21.599 didn't toss tho, but. 30 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:23.719 Look around, look around, see what she got and see 31 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:24.480 what she got, okay. 32 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:26.359 Because she never wore a collar though, that's the thing. 33 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:28.400 Yeah, she always went commando. I know. 34 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:31.879 Yeah, she didn't like wearing, so I didn't make a 35 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:34.640 wear one, but she didn't really need one usually, But 36 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:37.400 yeah I do. I do have a monkey one because 37 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:39.400 it's got a heart and says monkey on it and 38 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:41.400 it is my old phone umber, so that's our So yeah, 39 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:43.879 I can get more calls again. 40 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.680 Exactly, all right, cool cool. I'll buggy about that off 41 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:50.640 the air or anything, because we've got a big show 42 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:52.959 we wanted. We got a lot to talk about this episode, 43 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.519 and the members too. We're recording late. Man, We're gonna 44 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:57.400 be on this this call forever, I think, because we're 45 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:02.040 our of our stupid awesome guests, stupid sexy Eli Watson. 46 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:04.000 Fors gonna see the sun risebats on this episode? 47 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.519 Is Dan? I know? I know, Hey, Eli, how you doing, man? 48 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:09.800 I'm good. How are you doing? 49 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:10.120 All right? 50 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:11.199 What's up? By? 51 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:12.639 What's up? Bob? 52 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:15.879 Not a mucho? Just my bowling average and GPA. 53 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:18.719 Hey nice Bob. 54 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:20.680 He called you the singular version of Bob's. 55 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:22.120 It came out weird. 56 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:24.360 So isn't that just Bob? 57 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:31.199 Yeah? You know, it's like I had a friend come 58 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:33.560 up to me once say, hey, you know there's a 59 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:35.520 book in the Bible called the Book of Job. 60 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:38.439 Yeah. 61 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.879 Well, Eli's with the Sadan of course he's He's the 62 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:46.599 skill and talent and brains behind many, many, many small 63 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.560 Town Monsters production, including one of them that we're going 64 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.919 to be focused on today because if anybody is in 65 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:56.080 the Pacific Northwest listening to this, you need to know 66 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:59.479 that this coming Thursday, May twenty second is the world 67 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:03.400 premiere of a Siege at Ape Canyon, that the whole 68 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:07.919 Small Town Monsters Ape Canyon Extravaganza. And Eli tell me 69 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:12.319 this is like a super special premiere here because am 70 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.000 I correct in saying that the actual movie won't be 71 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:18.120 publicly available until like the end of summer fall or 72 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:18.840 something like that. 73 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.199 You know, I'm not exactly sure on when the official 74 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.840 release date will be but yeah, this is the first 75 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:29.120 time it's going to be publicly seen by people. 76 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:34.319 So in a legit theater, the Kickens Theater in downtown Vancouver, Washington. 77 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:36.919 All sorts of people are gonna You're gonna be there. 78 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.879 I'm gonna be there, and Melissa is gonna come. A 79 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.120 bunch of nerds from the North American Bigfoot Center are coming. 80 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:43.759 Much of our members as well. I think a bunch 81 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:45.520 of members from the podcast are going to be showing 82 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:47.840 up because we mentioned it briefly on the Members episode 83 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.000 last week. Larry Lund is going to be there. Who 84 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.280 knows what other Bigfoot of Royalty is going to show up? 85 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.879 Well, Mark Murcell, mister Ape Canyon himself. 86 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.319 That's all you need to say. Yeah, yes, star of 87 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:00.719 the show. 88 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:03.479 It's going to be quite the star stud of it. 89 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:05.560 Is. There gonna be a red carpet. There should be, yes, 90 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:09.360 I honestly have no idea. I don't know the details. 91 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:10.800 A brown carpet. 92 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:12.719 There's going to be a brown carpet. 93 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:15.439 I think you're thinking of that South Park episode at 94 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:16.759 the brown Note bobes. 95 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:18.879 It mixed up. 96 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.079 We should totally do a oh man, I don't have 97 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.120 a tux man. What am I going to do? I 98 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:27.800 need to get a tuxt all right, Well anyway, Yeah, 99 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.600 So Thursday night at seven o'clock on May twenty second, 100 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:35.160 the Cjay Canyon World Premiere at a theater called the 101 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:39.720 Kiggins Cedar, a historic kiggensater in downtown Vancouver, Washington. I 102 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:42.399 think it's on Main Street. But man, it's going to 103 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:44.680 be a good time. All sorts of good people are 104 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:47.839 going to be there. But this is all focused on 105 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:51.639 the c Jay Canyon. So, Eli, you filmed it, you 106 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:53.959 edited it. What, Why in the world are you involved 107 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:55.680 in this or how in the world are you involved 108 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:55.879 in this? 109 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.759 Gosh? The short answer is that I I worked for 110 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.879 Small Town Monsters and that was part of my job, 111 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:07.680 was to make that movie. But the longer answer is, I, uh, 112 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.959 back when Seth did on the Trail of Bigfoot the Discovery, 113 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:15.360 which was all about the Olympic project. That was the 114 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.240 first STM shoot I ever did, and that was the 115 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.040 first time I met Mark Marcel and me and Mark 116 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:25.079 just hit it off. So naturally, you know, Mark is 117 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.519 super easy to get along with. We both have very 118 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:34.360 similar interests in history and a little bit of you know, gossip. 119 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.519 As well. And you know, so over the years, you know, 120 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.120 as I did more and more stuff in the Pacific Northwest, 121 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:44.639 and I did my Road to Discovery series, and you know, 122 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.480 I was coming up like every few months, I always 123 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:52.000 made time to see Mark. So it just really felt natural, 124 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:55.600 you know, because initially, like Seth was talking about how 125 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:59.319 he wanted to do Ape Canyon. But as the discussion 126 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.199 kind of between you know, Seth wanted to make it, 127 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.759 and then Seth wasn't able to come out, so he 128 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:09.600 was gonna have me film it. But as the discussion 129 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.759 kind of evolved between me, Seth and Mark, it kind 130 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.600 of became clear that with my relationship with Mark, it 131 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.040 made the most sense for me to kind of tackle it. 132 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:21.600 And since I was already going to be filming it 133 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.439 and going up to the canyon and going to all 134 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.399 these places and conducting all the interviews, it just made 135 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:29.199 the most sense for me to kind of tackle the 136 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:33.680 story in whatever way it kind of revealed itself to me. 137 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:36.360 So that's kind of how I got involved. 138 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:39.319 Don't take this personally, but you're kind of a newcomer 139 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:45.240 on the Bigfoot scene, yeah, because you haven't been involved 140 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.000 that long, really, and how long have you been involved. 141 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:53.879 I started my podcast in twenty eighteen, but I didn't 142 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:56.560 start doing field stuff till twenty twenty. 143 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.319 Yeah, so five years. Yeah, you're pretty new on the 144 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.560 grand scheme of things, you know. Oh yeah, you were 145 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:06.839 aware of the Ape Canyon incident before this or were 146 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:07.079 you not? 147 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:07.959 Oh? 148 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.120 I was for sure. It was one of the first 149 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.879 episodes of my show Crypti Campfire that I think we 150 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:19.040 ever did was about Ape Canyon because that's like, that 151 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.120 is the Bigfoot story and it's funny. After I made 152 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:24.879 the movie, I went back and listened to it, and 153 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:27.839 I was like, Wow, almost everything I said about Ape 154 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:29.439 Canyon was just completely wrong. 155 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:36.240 Welcome to Bigfooting. Yeah, I think I said it on 156 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.480 this podcast a few weeks ago that you know, when 157 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.319 you talk about bigfoot for a living or even as 158 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:43.279 a hobby of you're bound to say things that are 159 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:44.360 incorrect quite often. 160 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:48.360 No, definitely. I mean that's why I kind of like 161 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:52.879 my podcast so much, because you know, it started off 162 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:57.800 as like a hobby, a mild interest, and then over 163 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.560 the course of years and years, because we still do 164 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.120 the podcast from time to time, and as I you 165 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.480 kind of see my growth as I get more and 166 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:10.000 more into the topic. The podcast is really like a 167 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.279 record of my thoughts on Bigfoot and how they changed 168 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.560 over time, and as I gotten involved with field research 169 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:23.720 and interviewing people and meeting pretty much all the popular, 170 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.399 well known Bigfoot researchers. I don't want to say I've 171 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:29.160 met like every Bigfoot researcher because that's just not true. 172 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:32.480 And like you mentioned Larry Lund, that's someone I've never 173 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:36.480 met before, you know, But it's just interesting going back 174 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:39.559 and listening to like my thoughts on Bigfoot in twenty 175 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.960 twenty one, you know, and you can hear how I 176 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:44.200 get jaded over time. 177 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:47.759 Well, I'm sorry if I had any influence on that. 178 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.519 So now. 179 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.720 The topic has a way of doing that to you. 180 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.440 But you know, that's why that's why I was so 181 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:59.480 excited to do Ape Canyon though, because you know, Mark 182 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:03.279 is really one of those special guys. You know, Mark 183 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:08.200 is just this He's an incredible, incredible person. You know, 184 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:10.360 you have this line in the movie Cliff where like 185 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:14.519 there's a fine line between genius and insanity and Mark 186 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:17.600 is doing a wheelie on that line all the time, 187 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:22.440 and that's absolutely true, and it really sunk in for 188 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:24.919 me when we went up to the canyon and I 189 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:27.960 saw Mark going down in the canyon and I was 190 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.639 just like, I'm gonna have to do this, Like I 191 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.039 can't shake him out like this, I have to get 192 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:35.399 these shots. I have to go down there, you know. 193 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:36.879 I didn't want to go down. 194 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.200 No, it's horrifying. And to see Mark probably wearing like, 195 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:46.399 you know, slip on shoes, carrying an eighty pound backpack, 196 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.039 just going face first down like forward, not even backing, 197 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:53.320 you know, going backwards down down the rope, walking forward 198 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:56.240 down the rope. And I don't know how old Mark is. 199 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:58.799 He's ageless, he could be could be forty nine, he 200 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:00.759 could be eighty seven. I have no idea how old 201 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.240 Mark is. And it's like, you can't let that guy 202 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.720 go down and you not good and you're you're a spry, 203 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:09.399 young bucket of what twenty eight years old? I have 204 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:11.519 no idea how you are either, But you can't let 205 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:14.240 this guy who's twice your age outshine you. But yet 206 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:16.039 he does. He outshines us all. 207 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:17.879 Oh, he does absolutely. 208 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:18.519 You know. 209 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.320 My favorite is when we're hiking up to the canyon 210 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.000 and he's like we've been hiking maybe ten minutes, and 211 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.000 he goes, oh, I need a break, I need a breather, 212 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:32.200 and he busts out a cigarette and starts smoking, and 213 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.080 it's like, I'm not sure that if that's a breather. 214 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:38.080 It's those pure oxygen cigarettes he smokes. 215 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:41.080 Yeah, right, he's a beast. When we were out, he 216 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:42.960 was like getting rained on. He never put on a 217 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:45.679 jacket or anything. He just wants like same like cotton 218 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.639 flannel shirt. And it was winter freezing, like you know, 219 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.799 the mountains pouring rain like like verge of you know, 220 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:56.399 thy snow, and there's Mark freaking just soaking wet and 221 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.879 just sitting in a chair outside, doesn't didn't face and 222 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:00.559 he slept in those same clothes this morning. 223 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:04.519 Still went and hiked all day. Yep, he's a madiac. 224 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.279 When we went up there, he didn't even bring a 225 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:13.279 sleeping bag. He brought a blanket and slept on the rocks. Yeah, 226 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.000 I was like, what are you doing? 227 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:16.399 He's a beast. 228 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:19.000 Well, tell us about the trip, tell us about the 229 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:21.440 hike up, what you guys found up there. Some of 230 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:23.919 the stuff that is not going to be seen in 231 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.879 the footage, because I'm sure there's a there's fifty stories 232 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:28.000 behind the scenes. Up there. 233 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:29.679 Oh yeah, I. 234 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:31.480 Know, water is always an issue. Tell us about your 235 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:34.440 experience up there at the at the site and getting 236 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:36.679 down to the location and all that sort of fun stuff. 237 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.960 Yeah, well, you know, it's like a six mile hike 238 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:44.159 or five and a half miles from where you park 239 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.200 your car and you hike up to the to the 240 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:51.399 top of the canyon there. And I brought my brother, 241 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:57.279 I brought my friend Tyler Hall, and Mark and Brad 242 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:00.639 were there, Alex Pettakov was there, Shane kurse and was there, 243 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.039 and Cindy and Jared Cadell were there, and then obviously 244 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.000 the Mitchell brothers and we all kind of had different 245 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:13.039 paces going up the mountain because you know, I you know, 246 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:14.960 if I'm honest, I'm not in the best of shape. 247 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:18.879 But you know, we're also carrying super heavy packs. I mean, 248 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.440 we're packing for multiple days of camping up there. We're 249 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.399 also packing all of our film gear up there, and 250 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.679 so it took us a good three four hours to 251 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.240 get up there. And it's also July because we wanted 252 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.200 to be there for the exact one hundred year anniversary. 253 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:39.960 And so like when you're watching the movie, I think 254 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.759 I say this in the narration. But when you're watching 255 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:46.039 Mark at the cabin site in the movie, that is 256 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.840 July tenth, twenty twenty four. I think that's exactly one 257 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:55.080 hundred years to the day after the fact. So that 258 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:58.759 was a pretty incredible thing to do. But so we 259 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:02.519 hiked up on the ninth and that was just brutally exhausting. 260 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:04.960 And then of course, you know, we run out of 261 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.080 water on the way up there, and we're like, well, 262 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.519 Mark did say there was a spring, and you know, 263 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.639 we're thinking it's going to be close by or something, 264 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:16.919 and we get up there and it's like, no, the 265 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.799 spring is another half a mile away and there's no shade. 266 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:27.799 We're like, oh gosh. And you know the spring, I'm 267 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.000 not sure if you've been to that exact spring, because 268 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.320 there's like a sometimes there's this water runoff where you 269 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:36.960 can get it. That's get water that's closer to the camp. 270 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.080 Yeah, but yeah, you have to wait for the for 271 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:42.000 the glacier above to heat up and melt, and then 272 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:45.879 it's glacial silty water, you know, that kind of grayish, 273 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:50.879 sort of semi translucent water, and it only runs for 274 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.080 a couple hours until it gets too cold again and 275 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:56.080 the glacier freezes up right not Yeah, so I have 276 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.080 been to that spring that I know exactly, the one 277 00:13:58.120 --> 00:13:59.840 you're talking about, the one that runs all the time 278 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:01.399 another half mile or more away. 279 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:06.240 Yeah, and you get that amazing view of Mount Adams. 280 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:07.080 Mm hmm. 281 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:12.440 It's stunning, it is. So went there, refilled our water, 282 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:15.159 came back, and we basically just kind of relaxed for 283 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:17.039 the rest of the day as we waited for you know, 284 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:20.200 Mark took another couple hours to get up there, and 285 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.960 you know, and that was the that was the funny part, 286 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.200 is like we didn't know where camp was, you know, 287 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.200 because we didn't have anyone to guide us. And like 288 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:32.000 the Mitchell brothers, I mean, those guys are you want 289 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:34.320 to talk about tanks? Those guys are tanks. I mean 290 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:38.240 they're absolutely insane. I mean they were freaking running up 291 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.399 that mountain. I was like, dude, I don't I don't 292 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.639 get that. I don't get that at all. 293 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.440 Well, you know, the Mitchell brothers, of course, they're the 294 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.080 great great grandsons of one of the miners, and they're 295 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:53.799 they're the guys who are absolutely insane because they rediscovered 296 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.759 the mine shaft and and you know, Mark had been 297 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.679 up there a number of times and got close to 298 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:01.720 the mind. The mind entrance, I should say. It's not 299 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.759 really a shaft, I guess, but it took somebody with 300 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:11.240 the brazen, nonsensical attitude. 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We 353 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.319 did some filming and that makes it into the movie. 354 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.640 You know, Tyler. Tyler had a bad accident up there 355 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:03.039 and ended up cutting his arm open down to the 356 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:08.799 artery and that was like super terrifying situation. Luckily, Tyler 357 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.359 is okay. You know, he ended up getting eight stitches 358 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.119 in his arm. He's got this gnarly scar from it, 359 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:18.359 but overall he's fine. But that makes it into the 360 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.839 movie just kind of highlight you know, anything can happen 361 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.119 down in Ape Canyon. You know, it's when you're there 362 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.680 in person, you can see how insane of an incline 363 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.799 or decline that going down into the canyon actually is. 364 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:38.440 But the cameras don't show that. They don't the cameras 365 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:43.359 don't capture what it's like being there. So I felt 366 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.480 like in the movie we needed something to highlight the 367 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:50.680 danger of doing that. And you know, it's unfortunate what 368 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:53.759 happened to Tyler, but it's also like there's more than 369 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:55.920 one danger. You know, you can you can slip and 370 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.519 fall and die, which is what I thought was gonna happen. Thankfully, 371 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.440 no one's up and fell down to their death down 372 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.480 an Ape canyon. But then you're in, you're at the 373 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:08.000 cabin site, and you think everything's okay, and it's like, no, 374 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.240 you still have to be vigilant because anything can happen, 375 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:13.680 and you could. You could end up cutting your arm open, 376 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:17.279 and you could. There's there's no way to get help 377 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:17.839 down there. 378 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:20.359 No in the cabin site itself, it's like, oh, it's 379 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:22.759 a cabin site. There's probably a fifty foot flat area 380 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.279 where an old cabin used to be. It's like, no, no, 381 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:28.440 there's there's there's When you're actually standing at the cabin site. 382 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:30.440 I mean, I don't know about your experience down there, 383 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.279 but for me, it's like, uh, looking around, thinking there's 384 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:39.160 no cabin site. There's just some complete badass morons put 385 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.960 a put a cabin here. Like the last place you 386 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.880 should put a cabin anywhere on the planet is on 387 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:49.519 this slope above that that precipice, in this crazy spot. 388 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:51.799 It's like, like, who in the world would ever dream 389 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:57.039 of doing that? Just monstrous bad asses who would just 390 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:01.240 look laughing at death, you know, basically. And boy, I'll 391 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:02.960 tell you the school system must not have been very 392 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:06.039 good back in the teens and twenties, because like, what 393 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.880 kind of person would put that stuff there? Just extraordinarily 394 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:11.319 brave and foolhardy people. 395 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.240 Well, I'll say I was at the top of Ape Canyon. 396 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.079 I watched Mark go down, I watched the Mitchell Brothers 397 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:21.440 go down. I'm getting ready to go down. I throw 398 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:25.680 my backpack on and I had a sling bag for 399 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:28.200 the camera because I wanted to be able to tuck it, 400 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.519 you know, safely, so there wasn't any chance of me 401 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:35.119