Speaker 1: My name is Donna Coopis. I'm of Shawnee descent. I've
Speaker 1: been seeing the Watchers since i was six. I live
Speaker 1: in the country. I've always lived in the country. I
Speaker 1: guess I'm just an old time country person. I'm a dowser.
Speaker 1: I do different. I Like I said, I'm of Shawnee descent.
Speaker 1: So we don't call him Bigfoot or we call him
Speaker 1: the Watchers. We have a legend that goes with that,
Speaker 1: and that's basically who I am. My father was a
Speaker 1: hunter and a trapper. He dug roots were living and
Speaker 1: that's how I grew up. I grew up on a
Speaker 1: four hundred acre farm and he, my poor dad, I
Speaker 1: ran the heels. He couldn't control my house as a
Speaker 1: wild child, and I was always on his boothels. So again,
Speaker 1: the first time I saw the Watchers, I was six
Speaker 1: and there was a county fair in town. Of course,
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to the fair, so Dad told me.
Speaker 1: Dad would give me anything I wanted. However, you did
Speaker 1: have to work for you know. For that, he taught
Speaker 1: me to work, and I've worked my whole life. So
Speaker 1: on this particular day we went out. We'd dig a
Speaker 1: patch of yellow root, which is golden seal because he
Speaker 1: dug every kind of root. It wasn't just Jen saying,
Speaker 1: and I mean Dad dug snake root, blood, root, coht
Speaker 1: and just everything. When he went to the woods, he
Speaker 1: Kepvius came back with a bag of something. So but
Speaker 1: this day he had taken me out and we'd been
Speaker 1: sating in this big patch yellow root back in the woods.
Speaker 1: We've been digging for a while, and my dad chewed
Speaker 1: tobacco and he stood up and he walked over. There
Speaker 1: was a stump nearby, and he walked over that stump
Speaker 1: and he took his chundabayca out and laid it there
Speaker 1: on that stump. And then and he told me he
Speaker 1: didn't call me Donna, or he'd either call me donnie.
Speaker 1: They call me dookie. He said, come on, dude, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go. And I said, I'm grumbling, you know, because
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a child. I want to go to
Speaker 1: the fair. I want to make my money. And that's
Speaker 1: you know, he had been doing most of the dig
Speaker 1: in that day. I was clean it. You have to
Speaker 1: separate the top from the roots, and one bag the
Speaker 1: roots go in the tops, and the other you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And so I'm I'm grumbling and he's
Speaker 1: like no, I said, come on, we're gonna go. And
Speaker 1: we used fifty fifty to one hundred pound feed sacks.
Speaker 1: They're like bro lap sacks. Back then that the cowfee
Speaker 1: came in. So he picked up those bags and he
Speaker 1: got me by the hand, and here I am, I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, dig my toe into dirt. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I said, Now, that was Dad's
Speaker 1: way of saying, you know, knock it off. We're going.
Speaker 1: So he's got me by hand. We're walking away. And
Speaker 1: as and as we walkeding away, I turned around, I
Speaker 1: looked back over my shoulders and there where I'm not
Speaker 1: thirty feet from where I was setting, this huge, huge
Speaker 1: black figure stands up. I mean, they look like a
Speaker 1: mountain to me because you know, I'm six and literally
Speaker 1: like eight foot tall. And it took that tobacco off
Speaker 1: that stump, and I'm looking at it and I'm scared.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm pulling on Dad's hand. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: come on, now, come on, we're gonna go. Everything's all right.
Speaker 1: You leave him alone, He'll leave you alone.
Speaker 2: Just come on.
Speaker 1: So you know, my dad's there. So I got walking
Speaker 1: away and I watched this big, huge figure he walks back.
Speaker 1: Where are we sitting. There's cliffs in behind purse. Like
Speaker 1: I said, we're in the deep woods and there's cliffs
Speaker 1: behind us.
Speaker 2: So he walks.
Speaker 1: This thing walks back into the cliffs in the woods.
Speaker 1: And that was my first interaction with the watchers and
Speaker 1: that started my teaching that day because from then on,
Speaker 1: my dad started teaching me about him because he interacted
Speaker 1: with them and my grandmother, my dad's mom before him,
Speaker 1: so he you know, he taught me the ways how
Speaker 1: to find the stones, the marker stones, the tree shelter.
Speaker 1: You know, it looks like a tepee, the tree things
Speaker 1: you'll find the excess, you know that that's a marker
Speaker 1: to the wise, the wise market.
Speaker 2: They mark the trails the stones.
Speaker 1: Dad told me that is for them to mark their
Speaker 1: territory and to say, you know, it's safe here, there's
Speaker 1: food here, whatever. So I honestly think that on that
Speaker 1: day that was my introduction from my dad. I think
Speaker 1: my dad kind of planned it that way. It was surprise,
Speaker 1: but he taught me not He taught me to always
Speaker 1: have since about you.
Speaker 2: You know it's not.
Speaker 1: Oh, these are just big things that you can play with.
Speaker 1: They everything is good and bad in the world. Some
Speaker 1: are good, some are bad. You have to be respectful
Speaker 1: and you have to, you know, mind what you're doing
Speaker 1: because they're unpredictable. So you know, along with our legend,
Speaker 1: know that's the legend of the shawn Ewas. These are
Speaker 1: the watchers and they were they're here to watch over
Speaker 1: us and protect us. Not that there isn't bad ones.
Speaker 1: The world has changed. And just like our world has
Speaker 1: changed and people has changed in our world, they have
Speaker 1: changed with it, you know, with the interactions that they have,
Speaker 1: you know, the experiences they've had with humans has changed
Speaker 1: them too. But you know, my life went on and
Speaker 1: he went on teaching me, showing me he couldn't keep
Speaker 1: me out of the woods because, like I said, I
Speaker 1: grew up on a four underegal farm. I had ponies
Speaker 1: and horses, We had cattle, you know, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Our Our gardens were like fields. They weren't just gardens.
Speaker 1: They had eleven acre bury patches. Everything we needed of
Speaker 1: the orchards at the fruit. You know, we grew everything.
Speaker 1: We grew the animals that we that vetus and we
Speaker 1: gave to other people are traded. That was part of
Speaker 1: our life too. And then the dowsing us talked to
Speaker 1: dowas as a first experience. That actually dowsing with my
Speaker 1: dad and my uncle. That's a whole weather story. I
Speaker 1: won't get into that with talking about the watchers, but that.
Speaker 2: Was a very.
Speaker 1: Just very honorable thing. We had the peach stick that
Speaker 1: my forefathers used for dowsing, was handed down to me
Speaker 1: over over two hundred years. That you know that stick,
Speaker 1: Well that's what we called it, the old stick, but
Speaker 1: it was the dowsing rods.
Speaker 2: It's with the watchers. I guess me.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was this wild child. I had
Speaker 1: my hair that went to my waist. My poor grandma
Speaker 1: would chase me, trying to because I would run out
Speaker 1: the back door, head to the barn, jump on a
Speaker 1: pony down through the woods. I would go and with
Speaker 1: hair flying, and she was always trying to trap me.
Speaker 2: He did braid.
Speaker 1: She would braid my hair down real tight because I
Speaker 1: get a couple of birds in my hair. You know,
Speaker 1: I got sticks in my hairs. You know all of this,
Speaker 1: And bless her heart, she's the one had to call out.
Speaker 1: So she would do that, you know, and she would
Speaker 1: tear these long strips of cloth, like colored cloth, and
Speaker 1: when she braided my hair, she braied that into my
Speaker 1: hair and wrap it and then tie it off, kind
Speaker 1: of protect it. But I had a creak. I would
Speaker 1: go down in the woods to the creek, and I
Speaker 1: was by this time, I'm like twelve, and I love
Speaker 1: playing in that water. I take a book and lay there.
Speaker 1: It's like a little waterfalls and had like the blue
Speaker 1: clay bottom. It was just smooth and I'd lay there
Speaker 1: and the water would run, and they're reading my book.
Speaker 1: I just I'd take my pony and I just ground time.
Speaker 1: I dropped a bit out so he could eat or whatever.
Speaker 1: Most of the time I didn't ride with saddle. I
Speaker 1: ride bareback, or I mean sometimes I did the saddle,
Speaker 1: but mostly so he could just raize around and be
Speaker 1: there with me. And on this day, I, of course,
Speaker 1: as soon as I got in the woods, you know,
Speaker 1: that hair came down, automatically, came down, no matter what,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down. And I took those ribbons out
Speaker 1: and I laid them up on this flat rock beside
Speaker 1: where I laid in the water. And of course I'm
Speaker 1: in the trees, and you know, there's cedar trees all
Speaker 1: around me, and I'm kind of down in a valley
Speaker 1: of the little creek bluss So, and there was strawberry
Speaker 1: patches around where I would play there on this day.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I took out my hair ribbons. I
Speaker 1: laid them up on the thing. I kind of fell asleep.
Speaker 1: I was laying there in that water, and it was
Speaker 1: summertime and hot. You know, I'm laying there and I
Speaker 1: woke up and I look, you know, I'm looking over
Speaker 1: and those strings are gone, and I'm thinking, because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get trouble. My grandma, you know, she told me
Speaker 1: I better not have that hair down when I come home.
Speaker 1: And I've you know, they're gone, My ribbons are gone.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my, you know, my brothers snut down here,
Speaker 1: they taking them because they know I'm gonna get a switching.
Speaker 1: But then I look up and going up through the trees,
Speaker 1: if you can imagine, the cedar trees will come down.
Speaker 1: You know, they've branched down pretty low, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of shadowy. It wasn't it was because in the woods
Speaker 1: it'll get a little darker. You know, I seen this
Speaker 1: shadow moving up through there. I see my ribbons. They
Speaker 1: were like, it's moving, and I'm thinking, well, what the heck?
Speaker 1: You know what took my what has them? That's something,
Speaker 1: you know, that's too big to be my brother, too
Speaker 1: tall be him. But now I'm thinking, well is it?
Speaker 1: You know, it was it like a coon? Did a
Speaker 1: coon pick them up? And it's going, you know, come
Speaker 1: up in a tree and it's going. I just had
Speaker 1: all this stuff in my head. And then I see
Speaker 1: it's stepped kind of out like and holding those those ribbons,
Speaker 1: and again it's it's one of the watchers. And from
Speaker 1: then on it was kind of like I didn't get
Speaker 1: that bad smell because they have a smell, but they
Speaker 1: have different smells. All of them don't smell like that
Speaker 1: horrible Some of them has a horrible stinch.
Speaker 2: It's like old.
Speaker 1: Urine, species of rotten, rotten earth whatever. But some of
Speaker 1: them doesn't. They have a different smell. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like honeysuckle wine. And I mean they have that earthy, rich, earthy,
Speaker 1: you know, like dirt smell too, but it's not that
Speaker 1: nasty because I honestly, I experienced quite a few of
Speaker 1: different smells at different times in their life and what
Speaker 1: they're doing, but that they didn't have that horrible smell.
Speaker 1: And it went on up through the woods. So I
Speaker 1: hurried up and got my stuff, and knowing that when
Speaker 1: I get home, I'm gonna get my Grandma's gonna give
Speaker 1: it to me because my hair's down. So I get
Speaker 1: on the pony and I head on back up and
Speaker 1: to the house. And I didn't say anything because I sprayed.
Speaker 1: You know, she wouldn't let me come back to the woods,
Speaker 1: and that was ain't gonna happen because I just lived
Speaker 1: in the woods. But the next day, you know, I
Speaker 1: headed back to my spot the next day and on
Speaker 1: that rock land there where my ribbons had been, I
Speaker 1: had shells and some little colored stones, but there was
Speaker 1: an arrow straightener. An arrow straightener is what Shawnee used
Speaker 1: to make the shaft of their arrows. It's kind of
Speaker 1: it's a stone. It's got hole in the middle, and
Speaker 1: you run that up and down. You catch your treet branch,
Speaker 1: you know, and use that make your shaft of the
Speaker 1: arrow and use that and as you run that up
Speaker 1: and down, it heats up the wood and it straightens
Speaker 1: it and it. You know, that's what that's used for.
Speaker 1: So he took my my ribbons that day, but he
Speaker 1: left me hunt behind it, you know, some gifts, and
Speaker 1: it just kind of went on. I would see the
Speaker 1: shapes and shadows and just different things. It was one
Speaker 1: time I was in the barn and our barn was
Speaker 1: old and in the center of the barn there was
Speaker 1: a law. It was made all logs, and then the
Speaker 1: newborn was built around it. But on this day I
Speaker 1: was in there. I had a little pony, and I'd
Speaker 1: always take my brothers because it was all like it
Speaker 1: better because it was bigger and faster. Of course, being
Speaker 1: a kid, and I was that day. I was using
Speaker 1: kerry comb and I was carrying him out and I'd
Speaker 1: kind of braid his main hea a long. He was
Speaker 1: black and white. It was a paint they had. Of course,
Speaker 1: his mane was long, so I would kind of braid
Speaker 1: it up, and I cleaned him up because, like I said,
Speaker 1: most of the time I rode without. Maybe sometimes I
Speaker 1: throw a blanket on, but usually I just jump on
Speaker 1: and go. And I thought, you know, thereby the barn,
Speaker 1: because there was a chicken coops and then like the
Speaker 1: corn crib, the boiled corn, and those orchards were on
Speaker 1: the outside of that that we had apples and pears
Speaker 1: was in that area there, and they it had rained
Speaker 1: a little bit. It wasn't it wasn't poor and rain.
Speaker 1: It was just raining a little and then the sun
Speaker 1: came out. You know, I was finish sign up because
Speaker 1: I gonna go write my pony. But I kind of
Speaker 1: got that with of the earthy smell came in and
Speaker 1: I looked, looked around, didn't see nothing. So whenever I
Speaker 1: come out of the barn, there was like a paddock
Speaker 1: there and you went down through and then around the
Speaker 1: big chicken the big long chicken house before I got
Speaker 1: one down into the valley like where I would get
Speaker 1: on down to the creek, and I kept feeling like
Speaker 1: something's watching me, and kind of I could hear a
Speaker 1: little bit of movement, you know, some some steps, and
Speaker 1: again I'm thinking, well, I had two older brothers who
Speaker 1: liked to torture me, you know, they always picking or whatever,
Speaker 1: because they's a lot older than me. But as I
Speaker 1: went down through there, I thought I seen the dark
Speaker 1: shadow and then I realized, you know, it's following me.
Speaker 1: There was no violence you know, I would get like
Speaker 1: little acorns thrown at me or some sticks, kind of
Speaker 1: like a kid playing so I at that time, I
Speaker 1: think it was he was growing up as I was
Speaker 1: growing up, and he would watch me. Never never any
Speaker 1: ever any violence, cranks, you know, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But I just kind of got used.
Speaker 1: To him being around. Of course, as I grew up.
Speaker 1: You know, I was on the farm and then I
Speaker 1: got married young. I got married young, and I went
Speaker 1: to my own home. I was born in a I
Speaker 1: was born at home that there's two big rocks on
Speaker 1: the buzzard roosting. It is called red rock. There are
Speaker 1: nature conservancy owneds and now, but that's where I was
Speaker 1: born at. So I went back to a farm from
Speaker 1: the farm that I was born on. So that's where
Speaker 1: I raised my kids at. And I would hear the hood.
Speaker 1: Actually have actually have some recordings. They're like the old
Speaker 1: cassette recordings, you know, like when you I'm sixty two,
Speaker 1: so I'm older. I don't have the fancy stuff that
Speaker 1: you have today. I have the old time recorder with
Speaker 1: the cassette tape and the you know making them no wise,
Speaker 1: you know all that that I would take that with
Speaker 1: me sometimes and I just set it out. So I
Speaker 1: picked up some just the hoops. Dad used to there
Speaker 1: would be a sound they would make the go, you know,
Speaker 1: And I asked that. He's like, oh, it's raincrow. That's
Speaker 1: how he answered me. It wasn't really a rain crow
Speaker 1: or the whipper wheels. You hear the you know, oh
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. And then I figured
Speaker 1: out it's not really whipper wheels, and it's not really
Speaker 1: it's them talking back on forge. So I kind of
Speaker 1: it's as as I grew up, I realized, you know
Speaker 1: what it was. Then after I moved, you know, as
Speaker 1: I moved, it's like he moved. And then my dad
Speaker 1: pursu later in life. I'm kind of jumping ahead. I
Speaker 1: kind of grew up. That's how I grew up. I
Speaker 1: grew up seeing him, so I never Dad always just
Speaker 1: told me, you know, make sure pay attention, don't be stupid,
Speaker 1: don't don't crowd of them, you know, give them respect
Speaker 1: they deserve and they will you. So my dad and
Speaker 1: my mom and got sick. By this time, I lost
Speaker 1: my husband and youngest son in a car accident, and
Speaker 1: so I moved off the big farm. I bought another
Speaker 1: piece of property look quite smaller, and I moved here,
Speaker 1: and then my dad, he was still on the big farm.
Speaker 1: My mom got sick first, and he said, well, you
Speaker 1: take mom home with you and set up the place,
Speaker 1: and then I'll move with her. Well that didn't quite
Speaker 1: happen that way. It was like years later. She brought
Speaker 1: her and she stayed with me. And then my dad
Speaker 1: has a stroke. He was eighty four, So I brought
Speaker 1: him off the farm and I brought him home with me.
Speaker 1: But I'd set up a mobile home in my front yard,
Speaker 1: and in front of my house was I love I
Speaker 1: have to be. I lived up against the woods and
Speaker 1: my bedroom all my bedroom was just glass. It's like
Speaker 1: take vast windows all the way around. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to be able to see the woods. I had a
Speaker 1: creek beside my you know, runs down through and my
Speaker 1: bedroom door. I had a door that came out of
Speaker 1: my bedroom. Again, it's got the old time wooden door
Speaker 1: with the glass in it, and I didn't have the
Speaker 1: new store door tipe door.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 1: The old time screen door was just screams and it's
Speaker 1: like a little latchy thing. And I would leave my
Speaker 1: bedroom door open because under the trees and from the creek.
Speaker 1: I have springs that feeds my house. I don't have
Speaker 1: county water or city water. I don't even have to
Speaker 1: have a well pumped my springs that's one hundred degrees outside.
Speaker 1: My water comes out of ice cold. So on this
Speaker 1: that had been there for maybe a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: I've got you home, gotensettled. So it was like three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, and what woke me up was
Speaker 1: the smell. In my mind, I'm not thinking, I guess
Speaker 1: I just didn't register in my mind because it was
Speaker 1: horrible smell. This smell was like I thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: on the the septic line has busted. Something's busty know.
Speaker 1: It was terrible. So I get up and I look,
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. And I'm looking. It's like
Speaker 1: everything's all right, But it is that coming time. I'm
Speaker 1: talking to myself because I'm by myself. So I went
Speaker 1: back to bed. I left my bedroom door open that night,
Speaker 1: and the next night again I got that smell, but
Speaker 1: this time by that big flake glass window, I see
Speaker 1: a dark shape. Well, I closed my door that night
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, is it a bear? Because we have
Speaker 1: bears here, we have coyotes, have bobcats. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you just have bobcats in my barn from over my chickens.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, I did close my door that night.
Speaker 1: The third night, I see it again and I still thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking in my head. You know, if there's
Speaker 1: a bear, there's a bear coming, because I'm in it
Speaker 1: would the fourth night, I would go down at midnight.
Speaker 1: Dad wouldn't go to bed until midnight. And I left
Speaker 1: this big, huge cedar tree in the corner of my
Speaker 1: yard when I built my house. So I go, I
Speaker 1: carry gun. You know, I'm in the woods, like I said,
Speaker 1: with coyotes whatever, So I always carried a gun at
Speaker 1: his store.
Speaker 2: At that time.
Speaker 1: I came out and I handed towards Dad's house and
Speaker 1: I got that whiff come down on me again. That smelled.
Speaker 1: I look up and I see this big black shape
Speaker 1: behind that tree, and so I hurried up like I've
Speaker 1: been taught. You know, Dad taught me to hunt. I track,
Speaker 1: you know, I do the whole thing. But you don't run.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't run for nothing because if you run,
Speaker 1: you become praise. So you know, you move slowly, you
Speaker 1: try to back away, you know, fright if you have to,
Speaker 1: but try to, you know. So I got in the
Speaker 1: house and then a day kind of.
Speaker 2: Laughed at me.
Speaker 1: He said, wasn't the world's wrong with you? Yeah, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: I said, Dad, there's a bear out there. I ain't
Speaker 1: no bear out there, I said, Dad, there's bear out there.
Speaker 1: I see your tree, said you show me. My dad
Speaker 1: couldn't walk through. Well, we had, I'd have to help him.
Speaker 1: I helped him to the door and he looked out
Speaker 1: and he goes, you leave him alone. He'll leave you alone.
Speaker 1: He ain't done nothing but watching, And it like clicked
Speaker 1: in my head. I was like, oh, Dad, you mean that,
Speaker 1: I said, And he's like, yeah, he's just watching here
Speaker 1: your bearight. So he would stand there and I would
Speaker 1: come out midnight out of the bed and stay there
Speaker 1: a couple hours, just trying to watch because I kind
Speaker 1: of watched it. And that went on for maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe three months or more. And then one
Speaker 1: night again, three o'clock in the morning, I woke me
Speaker 1: up with these screams like, oh my gosh. It was
Speaker 1: like I never heard anything violent like that before ever.
Speaker 1: I've always had palm you know things, nothing, nothing drastic.
Speaker 1: But this night these screams was like an elephant trumpeting brows,
Speaker 1: these horrible sounds I have. It's a British infield, he said,
Speaker 1: three or three. It's an old army rifle and that's
Speaker 1: and it's kind of armor piercing. You know, this is
Speaker 1: a high powered. That's for if I have to do
Speaker 1: knockdown like a bear or something that's big that. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't shoot anything unless I absolutely have to. I
Speaker 1: don't hear nothing that I don't eat. I keep it
Speaker 1: by the door. But instead of I came out in
Speaker 1: the night down barefoot, middle of the night, and I
Speaker 1: just walked out the door, not thinking, and I went on,
Speaker 1: you have to go down my driveway and I where
Speaker 1: the creak is. I have a bridge. So when I
Speaker 1: moved OUTDD has one pig left on the farm which
Speaker 1: was now a big full ground and sow hall which
Speaker 1: was probably four hundred pounds. So when she stood up,
Speaker 1: she was wait, you know, this is a big hog.
Speaker 1: So her side, the sides to her pin are really tall.
Speaker 1: And I get down by her pen and I still
Speaker 1: hear in that screaming. That resture is in my head
Speaker 1: you know, like you big dummy. Nobody knows you're outside.
Speaker 1: Dad can't get out to help you. If you have to,
Speaker 1: you know, get back to the So I did, and
Speaker 1: I went back in. I stood there and I could
Speaker 1: hear that screaming. It went through the pig pen, you know.
Speaker 1: I heard it go through.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I had a big chicken coop up on down where
Speaker 1: I have my chickens, and it went through it and
Speaker 1: it just literally shredded it. There's chickens everywhere. It didn't
Speaker 1: it just like it stomped through and just be well,
Speaker 1: God had it was His old dog was Jake. He
Speaker 1: was a bull mask and kit little mixed. He's a
Speaker 1: big dog, but he was very old. I heard Jake
Speaker 1: scream and my first instinct was go help the dog.
Speaker 1: And I got to the door and something physically stopped
Speaker 1: me from walking through that door. I could not get out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was my own fear, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. Well this this screams are going
Speaker 1: on down the lane and down the road. Once you
Speaker 1: get out to the road, it's county road, you know.
Speaker 1: But I have neighbor that'sbably two miles down the road,
Speaker 1: which was an older lady. I mean she was literally
Speaker 1: close to eighty, I would say, and she had little dogs,
Speaker 1: so she called the cops. Had passed her house, attacked
Speaker 1: the dogs. They called the cops and they came out.
Speaker 1: I talked to him. He's like, oh, you're just hearing coyotes.
Speaker 1: It's coyotes. And I said, oh, well, whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: I know I've lived in the Wich my whole life.
Speaker 1: That's my coyote. But whatever what traveled on up through
Speaker 1: there's a big Parsla land back there. It's like four
Speaker 1: hundred acres about six miles up is where my daughter
Speaker 1: lives at the end of the hall are there, and
Speaker 1: that's where it ended up at all the way up
Speaker 1: through there. It attacked dogs all the way up through there.
Speaker 1: And I found Jake the next day and he had
Speaker 1: been He was alive. Amazingly, he was alive. He had
Speaker 1: been bitten through the hindquarters and like in the private area,
Speaker 1: these heath marks are massive. I don't know why it
Speaker 1: didn't just literally bite him in two, but he was
Speaker 1: in very serious shape. Like I said, he lived, but
Speaker 1: he never really did anything again. But so that was
Speaker 1: the only that was one time of the of the violence,
Speaker 1: which I didn't understand because I never had it act
Speaker 1: that way before.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: But the next night, which which made me really question everything,
Speaker 1: was the fact that the next night Dads was back,
Speaker 1: you know, the watcher was back to Don and he
Speaker 1: was totally calm, nothing out of the ordinary, just diod
Speaker 1: and watched like he always did. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was him or whether it was a different one. However,
Speaker 1: I do know that the footprints that I took from
Speaker 1: the pigs hen because I cast them. I made, you know,
Speaker 1: I cast him when I measured them for eighteen inches
Speaker 1: long and they were nearly inches white. So these are
Speaker 1: And it was like it wasn't one footstep, you know,
Speaker 1: one footprint, like everybody said, why is there one footprint?
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 1: Step step over the other side, that's how big it was.
Speaker 1: It stepped over that fence into that mud, made another
Speaker 1: massive step and came out. And this is a hog pin.
Speaker 1: This is not a small area. It's like step step.
Speaker 1: Then it went through the creek where I didn't cap
Speaker 1: it was in the water, you know, I could see
Speaker 1: where it stepped in the sand and the dirt on
Speaker 1: the side, but the footprints in the actual pig pin,
Speaker 1: because the pig pin is soft mud. You know how
Speaker 1: pig is. I cast those and that's how big it was.
Speaker 1: So to say, yes, they're violent, you know that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: there's no door that would have held that out. There
Speaker 1: was no window that would have held that if it
Speaker 1: wanted in. There's nothing that would have kept that from
Speaker 1: coming in. Now we're having here, we're having logging in
Speaker 1: areas that's not been touched for two hundred years. So
Speaker 1: I'm seeing more activity because their homeland, you know, this
Speaker 1: is their home. They're being driven out of their safe areas.
Speaker 1: So I guess the reason I'm doing this. I've said
Speaker 1: this before is because the more interaction there is, there's
Speaker 1: more danger. Not of course, you know, this is the watchers,
Speaker 1: and I do feel detailed for they're kind of like family,
Speaker 1: you know. I know that might sound silly. I know,
Speaker 1: like when they're falling, their voice, they make their calls.
Speaker 1: I know who is who, Just like if I talk
Speaker 1: to you and you would be in a crowd and
Speaker 1: I hear your voice, I can recognize your voice because
Speaker 1: you know talk to you, I know who you are,
Speaker 1: So I can recognize their calls and their voice that way.
Speaker 1: They also have a mental type of communication. There's the hum.
Speaker 1: It's like a very strong and electrical hum that can't
Speaker 1: affect you. I mean, it can bring you down to
Speaker 1: your knees. I don't know what that ability is. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that works. I'm not a researcher. People
Speaker 1: ask me, I said, I'm not a researcher. This is
Speaker 1: my life, this is how I grew up, this is
Speaker 1: what I know. I don't try to prove their real
Speaker 1: or unreal. Everybody to their own opinion. That's totally their business.
Speaker 1: I know what I know, and I do know that
Speaker 1: with all this going on the woods, we're losing more
Speaker 1: and more of the woods and the country side. You know,
Speaker 1: people are moving in, will be more interactions, and I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of want to be.
Speaker 2: How we.
Speaker 1: Interact with them and how they interact with us. I
Speaker 1: do have a worry about that. You know, what's what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. So I just I do feel like
Speaker 1: that's told them of my responsibility. People can think I'm
Speaker 1: crazy if they want to. I don't care, you know, don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. And like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not a researcher. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go out here and say, here's your evidence for this,
Speaker 1: this or this. I mean I have I have pictures
Speaker 1: of footprints, I have castings, I have I have calls,
Speaker 1: I have Uh, they will break a tree over. I
Speaker 1: have just two from last year. These trees are like
Speaker 1: ten inches around and it's and there's just bend over
Speaker 1: like you would break a twig with your finger. But
Speaker 1: on those trees there was some fungus on there. It's
Speaker 1: like mushrooms that you they eat. And that tree was
Speaker 1: broke over, and I had seen a young woman in
Speaker 1: that area, So it's like, why would they do that?
Speaker 1: You know, can you imagine something that that is that
Speaker 1: massive and that strong. But they can snap that, they
Speaker 1: twist it, They twist it. It's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's all these trees around, there's no damage to anything else.
Speaker 1: It is just bend over and broken, so they could
Speaker 1: get to that stuff they were eating. Of course, like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm in the country, so there's lots of
Speaker 1: deer here. There's all kinds of plants. I grew up,
Speaker 1: you know, I just taught I can go out in
Speaker 1: the woods and we call them picking greens, you know,
Speaker 1: so I can pick it out and cook it and
Speaker 1: I can survive. But the other thing is about the
Speaker 1: watchers is they can be right close to you. You
Speaker 1: never know they're there. It's somehow they turn. They're for changes,
Speaker 1: its shimmers. They can be standing in the darkness and
Speaker 1: you know us they want to be seen. You're not
Speaker 1: going to see them.
Speaker 2: They do that. That is part of it. I just h.
Speaker 1: I I go out. There's a research group that does
Speaker 1: come here. I kind of guided for them. It's called
Speaker 1: the Nightstalkers. They came here and kind of had a
Speaker 1: rude awakening experience Mike and Mike. It's called it's one
Speaker 1: the Discovery and like other channel and stuff, they caught
Speaker 1: hunted by bigfoot. You know that they came and Mike Miller.
Speaker 1: I never did to mister Feltner that Mike Miller and
Speaker 1: the other part of that group. I'd taken them out
Speaker 1: in certain some different areas and he had his uh,
Speaker 1: he had an experience last year that kind of opened
Speaker 1: his eyes a little bit. It was and it's like,
Speaker 1: well it was, It's kind of one and terrifying it
Speaker 1: all at the same time. So and I'm going to
Speaker 1: be doing UH. On the first of July, I thought
Speaker 1: Big America coming and I did a podcast for him
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna I'm gonna do some filming for
Speaker 1: one of his series. But basically, like I said, there's
Speaker 1: good and there's that. I've never been harmed. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't harmed that night. I did get hit last
Speaker 1: year by a flying cooler again because they put off
Speaker 1: some calls and the calls was kind of like a
Speaker 1: challenge and I just kind of got caught in the
Speaker 1: crossbar or not that it was trying to hit me.
Speaker 1: I think I was just you know, in the wrong
Speaker 1: place at the wrong time. I can tell you it
Speaker 1: was UH. That was very scary. That was one of
Speaker 1: the I guess that might have been one of the
Speaker 1: scariest things that ever happened, because I didn't know what
Speaker 1: was going to happen that night I got hit. I
Speaker 1: went down, I'm all alone in the darkness, and but
Speaker 1: there was a second one that had came out and
Speaker 1: they kind of interacted there and that gave me a
Speaker 1: chance for me to get up and get away.
Speaker 2: But so.
Speaker 1: It's I guess over my lifetime, I've had different experiences.
Speaker 1: And I said I do different things. I just have
Speaker 1: this concern that's like this track of land. And I'm
Speaker 1: not a tree hugger. I mean, I love my trees,
Speaker 1: I love the ancestry. But I love all that I do.
Speaker 1: But my dad was a long girl. I logged with that.
Speaker 1: I drove a log track. I wrote rules. I've had
Speaker 1: a very uh you know, I grew up being a
Speaker 1: wild child, so I know, you know, temper has to
Speaker 1: be did and as long as it's done in a
Speaker 1: correct manner and reseeded. And Dad never took anything down
Speaker 1: that he did not replant. And that was in everything,
Speaker 1: not just the timber, that was with any roots that
Speaker 1: he dug. If he dug Jensing, he never took anything
Speaker 1: to play a four prongs and he always took the
Speaker 1: berries back and preceded in everything. It didn't matter whatt
Speaker 1: he was digging, what kind of plant that was always
Speaker 1: put back.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, when I.
Speaker 1: Bought my place, here give me this huge can of
Speaker 1: Jensing seeds, and he goes here, good plants, and he's
Speaker 1: like that way you always have money in the bank.
Speaker 1: That was his way, and it's true. I mean, ten
Speaker 1: sun goes for like a thousand dollars a pound. So
Speaker 1: that's just the old time ways, and I don't I gift.
Speaker 1: My gift that I take out mostly is I made
Speaker 1: my grandma made these apple cakes, homemade apple cakes from scratch.
Speaker 1: Took the apples and everything is from scratch, and you
Speaker 1: keep those apples in there. Now. I take apple sauce
Speaker 1: and make the apple sauce and that's the icing for
Speaker 1: the cakes, and I take those back. Those are my
Speaker 1: gifts I've taken the different gifting sites. If the boy's
Speaker 1: hunts a portion of the nothing that we kill, we
Speaker 1: kill a deer, everything and that deer is used, not
Speaker 1: just the meat, but the skin, the bones. My son
Speaker 1: is a n apper. He does he makes bone knives,
Speaker 1: even from the leg bones of the deer. Those were
Speaker 1: turned into knives. We pull the sinew that we use
Speaker 1: for wrapping of those knives. Everything is used. If you
Speaker 1: kill something, you take that animal's life to sacrifice that
Speaker 1: for you, you better honor it by making sure that
Speaker 1: everything is used. You do not just you know, you
Speaker 1: don't waste anything but a portion you'll take back and leave.
Speaker 1: That's what the watchers my gift to him. But it's
Speaker 1: just like my ancestor Shawnee whenever. We still do our ceremonies,
Speaker 1: the thing that we do. But anytime we're having uh
Speaker 1: like Thanksgiving dinner for our for our elders, for our ancestors,
Speaker 1: a plate is made and taken out and set they
Speaker 1: go to the spirits and of course mostly you know,
Speaker 1: the animals pick it up or whatever.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: That's still uh every you know, we still do our
Speaker 1: We do our own burials when some of our family
Speaker 1: passes away. We call it bear in our own where
Speaker 1: you have to use you know, we do modern, but
Speaker 1: we dig our own grace. If the family gets together
Speaker 1: and does that, it's just you know, kind of honor
Speaker 1: and respect.
Speaker 2: And so I kind of grew up. I grew up in.
Speaker 1: The old ways have brothers and sisters, I here less
Speaker 1: they didn't. I was a one that was setting at home.
Speaker 1: My grandma was sitting in the old rocket chair and
Speaker 1: some of the times when I was little, she had
Speaker 1: careseen lamp and she would sit there and she would
Speaker 1: tell me stories or read to me. That was the
Speaker 1: most wonderful time of my life. I love that so much.
Speaker 1: And then when my dad got sick the last two
Speaker 1: years of his life, I never left him. I cared
Speaker 1: for him, and I got the benefits of all of that,
Speaker 1: him telling me and showing me why he had him
Speaker 1: as a child. It is totally amazing and that's still
Speaker 1: my joy. I still work with the elderly. I do
Speaker 1: work with the veterans. I get along mostly, and we
Speaker 1: get along fairly well together that I honor my well.
Speaker 1: I'm elder now too. It's not you know, I got
Speaker 1: some that's older than me. But I'm getting there. But
Speaker 1: I still hike. I can do a ten mile hike.
Speaker 1: I go back in the woods. I have a campground,
Speaker 1: and that's my joy. I love just going into the
Speaker 1: woods and build my camp for I'm putting in a
Speaker 1: cabin at my camp site back into the cliffs back here.
Speaker 1: Mostly I just used a tant but I've decided I'm
Speaker 1: got a little cabin back here. So that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of my way of life. I spend time in the
Speaker 1: woods and I'd rather be there than doing anything else.
Speaker 1: I'd like some of the old ghost stories. I do
Speaker 1: that too. Actually I just got that's another story. I
Speaker 1: don't want to go into that. But I was cleaning
Speaker 1: the cabin to do the filming for the big bits
Speaker 1: of America, and this cabin is reconstructed from the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: I'm there for about an hour and it sets back
Speaker 1: camp the woods by myself, and I hear three knocks
Speaker 1: on the side of the building, which I thought was
Speaker 1: my son in law picking, you know, kind of maybe
Speaker 1: playing tricks on me. It's not like something walked on
Speaker 1: the roof. And then the front door opened by itself.
Speaker 1: And that's so I decided I was gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and leave, and I snapped a couple of pictures. I'll
Speaker 1: send them to you. I think you'll find them interesting.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that there was things there that I
Speaker 1: didn't know was there, and it was a human. So
Speaker 1: but that's also part of the watching this area community.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of who I am and what I
Speaker 1: do and.
Speaker 2: My life.
Speaker 1: I said, I know people, you know, they hear your
Speaker 1: story and they think, oh my gosh, you're crazy.
Speaker 2: But what are you man smoking? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: But I think, as like I said, as the woods
Speaker 1: comes down and there's more people going to the country
Speaker 1: and interactions of get more, and I'm hoping my only
Speaker 1: hope is that whether you believe me or not, put
Speaker 1: that little bit of knowledge in there, so if something
Speaker 1: does happen, you know, you have a little.
Speaker 2: Bit of idea of.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, maybe there is real Maybe that is
Speaker 1: what that is, and I should be a little more
Speaker 1: cautious or pay better attention to my animals, or make
Speaker 1: sure I have my young child is not you know,
Speaker 1: they can't do very and that's you don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to set them off. You know, is a dog
Speaker 1: going make them mad? Or is a person out there
Speaker 1: shooting or getting too close you know, the young ones.
Speaker 1: But when they have their young ones, they're just like us.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to protect my child with my
Speaker 1: life or my home. You know, if somebody's trying to
Speaker 1: I'm going to protect that child. And they're the same way.
Speaker 1: So when they have their young people coming in they
Speaker 1: get too close, of course, they want to protect you young.
Speaker 2: That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: And any good parents, human or animal, any either one,
Speaker 1: it's going to do that.
Speaker 3: With Don After having all these experiences with the Watchers,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are tons and tons of listeners who
Speaker 3: want to hear how these guys look. So please take
Speaker 3: your time and be as descriptive as you can possibly
Speaker 3: be telling us how the watchers look, since you've gotten
Speaker 3: such good looks at them.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, of course there's different colors. There's the black,
Speaker 1: there's like a reddish brown color, there's the tan color,
Speaker 1: and there's a white. I call the white one of
Speaker 1: the old man. I don't think, And honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's whether it's so old that it's fur
Speaker 1: has changed because it's got long hair. The palms are
Speaker 1: their hands are not they have long hair, but the
Speaker 1: palms of their hands do my hair hair on them?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: In their face like you know, on the cheeks. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like when a man shaves, is like around
Speaker 1: the cheeks, you know, that is leathery and and dark.
Speaker 1: Different eye colors. I've seen different eye colors. I've seen, uh,
Speaker 1: like a yellow color of brown color. I've seen them
Speaker 1: shine red, reddish orange. Well, I've had people ask me
Speaker 1: about their genitals. Can you tell male from a female?
Speaker 1: And yes you can because the female, of course, I breast.
Speaker 1: I don't get you know, I've never gotten real close
Speaker 1: descriptively that way, but you know you can tell what
Speaker 1: you know, what they are.
Speaker 2: I don't see tail.
Speaker 1: I've never seen like you know, having a tail like
Speaker 1: a monkey tai or anything like that. It's just like
Speaker 1: a They're very muscular. They're very big, very strong, you know.
Speaker 1: Ear wise, I mean, I don't see that their ears
Speaker 1: stick up, you know, like a dog or anything like that,
Speaker 1: or cleaning me. It's more like down to the head,
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: I've seen some that has actually seen a female last
Speaker 1: year that had more human uh, more delicate human like
Speaker 1: features that I'd never seen before. That was that was
Speaker 1: something new I've never seen that she was. She was smaller,
Speaker 1: more delicate features, more defined. The fur was lighter in color,
Speaker 1: and she was you know, she was smaller bodied. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if that helps or not, or if
Speaker 1: that is enough of this description or yeah.
Speaker 3: That does help. I'm wondering though, as far as their
Speaker 3: teeth go, do they have teeth like ours or prominent canines?
Speaker 1: They have big teeth they have from what I see
Speaker 1: is like I've never had them. H I've never been
Speaker 1: close enough when it would be like attack mode snoral,
Speaker 1: you know, I do need like on the side there's
Speaker 1: long cane, you know, like like we have the canine tooth,
Speaker 1: you know, the on the side or sharp tooth as
Speaker 1: I call it. Whatever their teeth are, they're kind of different.
Speaker 1: They're they're square, are describe it like that. They have
Speaker 1: massive teeth. Of course they have massive everything, but they're
Speaker 1: not like twenty. You know, there's not like twenty. I
Speaker 1: guess the any thing I see that's more canine is
Speaker 1: those two on the side like we have. And you
Speaker 1: know they're you can tell they're sharp as they use
Speaker 1: their teeth. So as they get older, you know, I
Speaker 1: see them being more down not you know, when they're younger,
Speaker 1: they're just like us. I guess. You know, when they're younger,
Speaker 1: they have better teeth, so and they use those teeth
Speaker 1: for a lot of different things.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The one footprint that I have here, I got it
Speaker 1: last year and he had four toes. Then he's The
Speaker 1: print that I got was over fifteen inches long and
Speaker 1: about seven wide, and he always has four toes, and
Speaker 1: I found the footprint this year. He's down to three.
Speaker 1: So he lost a toe somewhere over the winter or
Speaker 1: or it's a different one, I don't know, but it's
Speaker 1: about the same size. I'm assuming it's him. The the hands,
Speaker 1: the nails, you know, they're they're kind of they have
Speaker 1: nails split through their course longer and sharper. You know.
Speaker 1: The feet, the feet are wide and the toes are big.
Speaker 1: But the hair has down so you can't you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like somebody with long hair that hangs
Speaker 1: down around their body, you know, so that part is
Speaker 1: covered in hair. But but it's the the footprint is smooth,
Speaker 1: and I've seen it. I've seen them walk as they
Speaker 1: walk away, you know, they lift their foot up and
Speaker 1: the sole of their foot that it's not covered in hair.
Speaker 1: It's smooth or something might be from walking, you know,
Speaker 1: and wearing the whatever, but the hands and feet are smooth.
Speaker 3: You told us that their teeth look like ours, except
Speaker 3: they're a lot bigger. But they do have prominent, sharp canines.
Speaker 3: When you took a look at the bite marks on
Speaker 3: your dad's dog after he was unfortunately attacked the way
Speaker 3: he was, did all the teeth marks look like like
Speaker 3: they were human teeth except for the canines, or did
Speaker 3: all the tooth marks look like they might have been sharp?
Speaker 1: Well, the bite marks was the punctures, because these canines
Speaker 1: are long. These puncture marks went into him. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know, like you know, two three
Speaker 1: inches like you would stab. You know that too, the
Speaker 1: force of it biting in. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: the mouth opens like I said, I didn't see it anything.
Speaker 1: If it mouth opened white because it had to open.
Speaker 1: This dog is huge for this mouth to open and
Speaker 1: bite around this dog even what a bull mass is
Speaker 1: and the pit bull mix, so he's hind quarterers.
Speaker 2: She's wide. So and it bit.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it bit on it, it around it
Speaker 1: like it opened up and just like I'm you know,
Speaker 1: like oh, and the puncture was you know what the
Speaker 1: tying of a like a deer antler. Have you seen
Speaker 1: a deer antler? You know how the times of the
Speaker 1: their antlers they're pointy and long. You know, they're sharp.
Speaker 1: If you would take one of those and cut that
Speaker 1: off and stap it ended something. That's how long those
Speaker 1: teeth was. You know. These teeth are like that shaped
Speaker 1: like time. So it's like those canines are long. That
Speaker 1: was in you know, bit down through him and it
Speaker 1: bit through. It was like it you know, picked him
Speaker 1: up and just bit in you know, into his back
Speaker 1: and through these hindquarters.
Speaker 2: That's those But.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just one bite. It was like it bit
Speaker 1: and then bit again. I don't know.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: He was hurt, massively hurt, and I don't know how
Speaker 1: it missed the vital organs you know in there, but
Speaker 1: he just never it damaged his fine. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just say, if that was to be bit into
Speaker 1: a human, there's no way. I mean, if it bits
Speaker 1: you through the head, like, there's no way. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're done, that's it. In bamboom, it's going to take
Speaker 1: your head off. There's no way even through your body.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That's I don't know that. That was very disturbing.
Speaker 3: That's horrible. I'll tell you this, donna. Whatever did that
Speaker 3: to your dad's dog really needs to have its head
Speaker 3: blown off. And I mean that too.
Speaker 1: It was well, that was like I said, that was
Speaker 1: years ago, and whatever caused it to happen the next day,
Speaker 1: you know, when when the one that came back, they
Speaker 1: would stand there and just watch when he came back.
Speaker 1: There was no violence, there was nothing. It's total calm.
Speaker 1: So that's what made me wonder, was this some one
Speaker 1: that came through where you know, were they fighting? It
Speaker 1: was because they're territorial. That is one thing I have
Speaker 1: learned they are territorial. Once a group sets up, you know,
Speaker 1: they I call them plans. That's the way I've been taught.
Speaker 1: If a plan comes in and that's a family group,
Speaker 1: and a rogue comes through or something, you know, and
Speaker 1: they're either accepted or it's ran away, so they fight.
Speaker 2: I've heard.
Speaker 1: I've heard the fights before, and I've seen the trees.
Speaker 1: They bring down some pretty good sized trees. When they're fighting.
Speaker 1: You will hear the breaks, and I avoid anything in
Speaker 1: that situation. I just make sure I'm just not there.
Speaker 1: I just I give them plenty of room and let
Speaker 1: them work out their own deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like a really good idea to me. Now,
Speaker 3: those eighteen inch prints that you found, are those definitely
Speaker 3: the prints that the creature that came through and did
Speaker 3: that to your dad's dog left, or do you think
Speaker 3: it might have been left by another watcher?
Speaker 1: Well, that's I think it was the one that got
Speaker 1: the dog, because it's the one that tore everything up,
Speaker 1: and so it went through the hog pen and then
Speaker 1: it went through the chicken coop. Of course, they but
Speaker 1: it could have been chasing each other. But I only
Speaker 1: had one set of prints. I didn't have to. I
Speaker 1: only had one, you know, that size. There wasn't anything
Speaker 1: else in the hog pen, so it was clearly just
Speaker 1: the one creature that that stepped through there and then
Speaker 1: through the creek. So, like I said, honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they do get territorial. Maybe something happened it was
Speaker 1: i'd steal. To this day, I still scratch my head
Speaker 1: and say, you know, I don't know what happened exactly.
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, as much you can take away from what
Speaker 3: did happen, since you didn't see the creature and you
Speaker 3: didn't see it do all those things. I'm wondering though,
Speaker 3: before that one came through and caused all that destruction,
Speaker 3: attacked your dad's dog and went through the hog pen
Speaker 3: and did what it did and the chicken coop. Do
Speaker 3: you leave your dripes open in a night now or
Speaker 3: keep them closed?
Speaker 1: Well, actually, my big house with my with my mom
Speaker 1: and dad being sick and the sicker they got, actually
Speaker 1: moved from my big house and I bought I went
Speaker 1: to the aumation and bought the Amish high barns and
Speaker 1: put cabins in closer to the road because of the
Speaker 1: squad because when you came in you had to go
Speaker 1: up the driveway and go across the creek, and it
Speaker 1: was just too much for them. So I put those
Speaker 1: in and I moved from my big house. And about
Speaker 1: two years ago I have a younger brother who has
Speaker 1: early stage Alzheimer's and his cabin was set back by
Speaker 1: my house and it caught on fire. So it spread
Speaker 1: back to my big house and I lost the five
Speaker 1: bedroom to bath my big house. But no, I still
Speaker 1: am I even here. I like my windows. I go
Speaker 1: out in the night time, I wake up into my woods.
Speaker 1: I like my woods. I like being able to see out.
Speaker 1: I like the like I said, here, I have bear
Speaker 1: of coyote. I'm more cautious of the bobcat and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I am a little more cautious.
Speaker 1: I just pay attention. Like Dad said, you know, have
Speaker 1: some sense about you. You leave them alone, they'll leave
Speaker 1: you alone. But that is true to an extent. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to put yourself at risk. You don't
Speaker 1: want to, you don't want That's the reason I'm building
Speaker 1: the small cabin back here. I like going back there
Speaker 1: and standing. But the acttivity has gotten more, like I said,
Speaker 1: with the woods coming down, you know, it's causing more interactions,
Speaker 1: and I like having a more sturdy I'm putting in
Speaker 1: like the old style. I'm actually cutting the trees and
Speaker 1: putting it in that way. But I like having a
Speaker 1: little thicker wall. So do I close them? No, I don't,
Speaker 1: not here, but I am more cautious so, and I honestly,
Speaker 1: with the way things are and the way things are becoming,
Speaker 1: I would suggest anybody would be a little more cautious
Speaker 1: in the woods and more just pay better attention. I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, and when you hear something, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: draft there and be scared or whatever, but respect goes
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, a long ways, and some
Speaker 1: times in the actions that you do, actions gets reactions.
Speaker 1: So I'm I guess I have different ways of looking
Speaker 1: at things, but I don't. I don't go out and
Speaker 1: just shoot and rip and rare and make a lot
Speaker 1: of noise. I play flute music. I'll do drumming sometimes
Speaker 1: with the flute music, I call it singing. They have
Speaker 1: this sound that they make and they seem to like that.
Speaker 1: So the call and also the calmer you stay, they
Speaker 1: react to your emotions that I've found out with myself,
Speaker 1: you know. So the calmer you are, the calmer they are,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of I can feel their agitation.
Speaker 1: So if I feel I'm getting really agitated or i
Speaker 1: feel like I'm getting too close to something they don't
Speaker 1: want me there, then I'll turn and go back the
Speaker 1: other way. I respect their tar and I'll pray that
Speaker 1: they respect mine. That's kind of that I've been taught
Speaker 1: different ways, and the old lords and legends that have
Speaker 1: also been told how really dangerous they can be.
Speaker 2: So to lay Street.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, it normally is. In given the fact
Speaker 3: you haven't had any problems and your rebin elbows with
Speaker 3: these guys all the time, sure sounds like you do
Speaker 3: have them figured out. And that's a really good thing.
Speaker 3: And if you don't think it's proven to close your
Speaker 3: drapes at night on your bedroom windows, that tells me
Speaker 3: everything I need to know. That's a really good thing.
Speaker 3: That really is. And considering what you know about these guys,
Speaker 3: if any kids are listening to tonight's show, Donna, who
Speaker 3: have seen Watchers and are maybe thinking about trying to
Speaker 3: interact with them, what kind of advice would you give them?
Speaker 1: Very very cautious, very calm. Like I said, sometimes the
Speaker 1: young ones are like children. They interact by doing strengths
Speaker 1: and but you've got to realize the size and the
Speaker 1: girth and the damage they can do. So it is
Speaker 1: I'm not my advice. You don't go out there and
Speaker 1: just say, oh look, I'm gonna find me a pet.
Speaker 1: That's not the way you do it. Little gifts they
Speaker 1: react well, they like sweet stuff. But caution is at
Speaker 1: the top of everything. Else is caution because you don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to be going.
Speaker 2: On that day.
Speaker 1: It's just like you walk into a playground that kids
Speaker 1: might be having a bad day that day, so he's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a bully, or he's gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: want to interact in a different way. And then you know,
Speaker 1: the day before he might have been happy. He might
Speaker 1: have had a good day, and he might have been
Speaker 1: happy and he's all your friends, and the next day
Speaker 1: he's not. So always caution always. It's best too if
Speaker 1: you feel if you you feel that sense of danger
Speaker 1: you're inside of you. You can feel that. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody has that sense that says, hey, something's not right.
Speaker 1: So when you start, always follow your emotions, follow your gut,
Speaker 1: instinct and do you think there's you know, it's okay
Speaker 1: to say hi, it's okay to leave the thing behind.
Speaker 1: That always, always safety is at that very very top
Speaker 1: of the list. Always it might be fun and interesting
Speaker 1: and like this, even with grown ups, you know, they
Speaker 1: go out looking and.
Speaker 2: Groups.
Speaker 1: You know, I deal with h You know, this is
Speaker 1: like exciting and it's a really exciting thing that there's
Speaker 1: always that realm of danger that's there. So when you
Speaker 1: go out the or you're not just going to interact with,
Speaker 1: you might find one of them, or you might find
Speaker 1: a bear, you might find a coyote, you might find
Speaker 1: something else that's there. Because usually if you hear coyotes,
Speaker 1: h the watchers are close by, they kind of run together,
Speaker 1: but those coyotes are in the forefront and they the
Speaker 1: coyotes are dangerous too, so and sometimes when you're hearing
Speaker 1: a coyote, you're not really hearing a coyote or you're
Speaker 1: not here. And an owl that is not you know,
Speaker 1: you hear those sounds, you're like, oh, well listen to that.
Speaker 1: Just that you know that and that cool is that
Speaker 1: a super will call in there's an owl hooton just
Speaker 1: like the Shawnee. You've got to remember, Shannie, were very
Speaker 1: fierce warriors, and they use those same calls. You know,
Speaker 1: they're out there and they're hunting and they're stalking, and
Speaker 1: they use those to speak to each other. Well, these
Speaker 1: guys do the same thing, So caution. That's my you know,
Speaker 1: that's my thing right there is always you know, I
Speaker 1: had my dad, You know I had my dad. My
Speaker 1: dad was my protector, He was my guide, he was
Speaker 1: my teacher. He taught me what to do and how
Speaker 1: to interact as fys out there alone, I would have
Speaker 1: no idea. I would have been setting near by myself,
Speaker 1: scared to death and probably ran or did something stupid,
Speaker 1: and it might have been a different interaction than what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: Sounds like your dad did teach you. Well, I don't
Speaker 3: think you'd be in one piece if he hadn't taught you.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: I think you have all this down patent. You definitely
Speaker 3: know how to conduct yourself. Otherwise, like I said, you
Speaker 3: would have had some pretty serious problems. Why now, Quite possibly,
Speaker 3: but who knows. That's just a guess on my part.
Speaker 3: But having said all that, don I can't thank you
Speaker 3: enough for coming on and sharing the details. Of all
Speaker 3: those experiences with us and giving us all that advice.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, my goal is how are people thinking?
Speaker 1: How are crazy people think? I am? I don't care.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not here to prove anything. I'm
Speaker 1: not a researcher. I'm not going to show you proof
Speaker 1: of whatever. But somewhere along the way, I hope, somewhere
Speaker 1: I help somebody to have better interactions and for both
Speaker 1: not just the humans, but for the watchers, and maybe
Speaker 1: they can understand them a little better and live happily together.
Speaker 1: That's my wish.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good wish. That's admirable, it really is.
Speaker 3: But like I said, thanks again so much, and have
Speaker 3: a great night.
Speaker 4: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eye Witness Radio
Speaker 4: with Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and
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