WEBVTT 1 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:41.200 Hello everybody, and welcome to Game Spot After Dark, episode 2 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:43.479 two hundred and fifty five. 3 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:44.280 Is that true? 4 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.119 Two hundred and fifty five? You question this every time 5 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.200 I'm on the podcast. I like just checked it. We're 6 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:56.159 back after a couple of months, two months. Yeah, we've 7 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:57.719 been in the void. We've been in the void. 8 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:59.240 We are in the void right now. 9 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:00.960 You're in the void. That's why it sounds like this 10 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:04.920 little do you all know? Listeners, we've actually entered another place, 11 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:08.400 another zone, and we have and that's the zone. We 12 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:10.760 only just figured it out, figured out how to be 13 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.120 able to communicate beyond. Yeah, yeah, which is why you 14 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:14.200 hear such an echo. 15 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:17.079 Full of anomalies. Hey, why don't we talk about why 16 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.239 we haven't been on for a while for a brief minute. 17 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:21.560 Let's do it. 18 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.640 So, first off, I want to apologize. We've been trying 19 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:28.239 to do an episode for a while and a bunch 20 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:34.400 of compounding things have just happened. The big thing was 21 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.000 we had a number of layoffs at the end of 22 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.799 October that hit us pretty hard, the video team in particular. 23 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:45.519 We were cut in half essentially. 24 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:50.280 You know what, I want to just go in and say, 25 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:55.519 so we lost, we lost the entire UK team. 26 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:58.480 So Adam Morris, Dave Jewett, Ada Mason. 27 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:04.200 Adam Mason lost Davante over on the East Coast, we 28 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:10.039 lost Dave Klein, Dave Kleine over in la we lost 29 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:17.520 Eric Tay and Aaron Sampson. Those last two you you 30 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:20.120 might not be as familiar with because they're not really 31 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.639 front facing people, but they were. 32 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:25.639 Like, I've been here for years, and. 33 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:27.280 Aaron in particular had been here for like I think 34 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:31.240 the longest, maybe like sixteen years, almost at twenty, I think. 35 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:32.039 Almost at twenty. 36 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:33.439 Yeah, goodness. 37 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:34.919 If you want to know who, if you want to 38 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:36.960 know who Aaron Sampson is, I highly recommend that you 39 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.199 go into YouTube our YouTube channel and watch the Call 40 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:42.599 of Duty video about playing it as an old person. 41 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.159 As a dad. That was the last video he ever 42 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:45.560 made and. 43 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:48.759 Without knowing what the fate was that you know the 44 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.840 hand that you will be dealt. That is such a 45 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:53.599 good video And if only. 46 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:54.960 We could all be so lucky to go out on 47 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:57.800 a video that is like quintessentially uses in the way 48 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:58.840 that video is for Aaron. 49 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:01.159 Yeah, yeah, Aaron. 50 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:05.240 Aaron was my manager, Yeah, my manager for a very 51 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:07.759 long time, very long time. And then Eric was the 52 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.680 was was my manager for a long time and then 53 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:14.120 eventually became like a head of video a game spot. 54 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:18.840 So yeah, that happened, and then we kind of had 55 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:21.680 to pick up the pieces and then we didn't have 56 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.080 an office for a while, but we do now because 57 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:26.680 we're sitting in our studio. 58 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:28.159 Yeah, I mean we kind of have an I mean 59 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.080 we have an office. We have an office now, but 60 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:34.280 there's nothing in it. Are literally sitting in the void 61 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.840 of a room, in an empty room, a giant open 62 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.719 studio for what Yeah, so that might be if you're 63 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:41.240 hearing an echo, that is why. 64 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.680 So but can we talk about like when the studio 65 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:46.800 will be operational when I mean, like, I know, we 66 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:48.960 don't want to go into like next year's strategy, but 67 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.400 like games, but after dark, we're not done with it, right, 68 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:53.960 it's it's it's coming back next year. We're going to 69 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.759 have some cool bells and whistles that will come along 70 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:57.599 with Yes. 71 00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:58.479 Yes, So. 72 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.719 Beginning next year we have some people who are gonna 73 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:07.280 come in and build out the studio for us, and 74 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.719 we're gonna turn it into a really cool space and 75 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.639 then yeah, after dark will we'll probably keep doing it 76 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.319 as like an audio thing at the beginning of the year. 77 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:19.600 But then eventually, once the space is set up and 78 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.319 you know, we have this kind of full new vision 79 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:28.519 that we're working on, it will go back to live 80 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:32.920 on video, which should be cool. So yeah, we've been 81 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:36.600 dealing with all that. It's been a lot. So first off, 82 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.319 I just you know, thank you everyone for sticking around 83 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:43.959 and for understanding why it's been a little tough to 84 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:49.079 record because it's just been crazy. 85 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:51.199 Yeah, and I think the nature of the podcast over 86 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:53.800 the past I don't know, six plus months has been 87 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:55.480 up and down in terms of consistency. 88 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:57.560 So yeah, it's tough. 89 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:01.040 And for those of you who are listening, who show up, 90 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.480 thank you. We will get back to normality. Yes, we 91 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.199 are on our way to it, or at least some 92 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:09.480 I don't know. Yeah, I mean we going a handshake, and. 93 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:11.639 In fact, there's almost. 94 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.120 Next year there might be more emphasis on the podcast. 95 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:16.839 To be fair, like, I think it's going to be 96 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.519 very consistent, will need to be very consistent. 97 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:25.319 Yeah, so yeah, yeah, it'll things will dictate that there will. 98 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:26.959 Be more of a consistent normality to it. 99 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:27.839 There will be blood. 100 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:28.839 There will be blood. 101 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.199 I've been talking about that movie a lot. Really, I'm 102 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:32.759 always talking about that movie that I've never. 103 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.399 Seen really said much to me about it. 104 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:35.800 Really, No the. 105 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:40.839 Infamous I would like Milkshit. Yeah, I always think about 106 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.079 it for the when it lost to No Country for 107 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:45.399 Old Men for Best Picture. 108 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:45.920 Which is crazy. 109 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.759 I feel like that is like I watched a notorious 110 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.600 uh one that's movies because back to back. 111 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:56.160 Yeah, the titles should be flipped. I think it would 112 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.480 make more sense if the titles were flipped. But like 113 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:01.839 I watched No Country for Old Men a couple of 114 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:02.319 days ago. 115 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:05.920 It is a great movie. I love it, but to 116 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:08.560 think that it lost that there will be blood is 117 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:10.680 just is baffling to me. 118 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.439 It's amazing movie, but there will be blood as like, 119 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:16.360 in my opinion, very next. 120 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.800 Love, I mean, my fiance for the longest time was 121 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.279 also because I love No Country for Old Men and 122 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:25.199 I would always mention it and Julianne be like, that's 123 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:27.439 the movie with the cowboys, And when she would say that, 124 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:31.000 was like, well, I mean it's a western in some ways, 125 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.759 it's like a suspense thriller. And I guess it takes 126 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:34.600 place in the desert a lot like I guess I 127 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:36.600 think I know what she's talking about. And then it 128 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:39.680 wasn't until much much later where we're watching No Country 129 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:41.279 Old Man, She's like, this is not the movie I 130 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.160 thought this was. And that's when it clicked and I 131 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.319 was like, oh, you're thinking about there will be blood. 132 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:49.240 It's not a cowboy movie, which is not a western. 133 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:52.040 But I get it same era. 134 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:53.279 I guess maybe. 135 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.399 If I had a straw that went from one side 136 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.879 of the room, do your milkshit. 137 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.759 Maybe we should just do this entire podcast with Jake 138 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:02.680 recording that movie. It's great because No Country Old then 139 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.720 barely has dialogue's like, which something I do love about 140 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:07.319 that movie, Like, I mean, the only thing I really 141 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:11.319 think of is call it like the flippy Yeah, call it. 142 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:11.680 That's it. 143 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:12.360 Anyways, if you. 144 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:15.199 Had the book, No looks very good. I think the 145 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:16.680 movie is better, but the book is very good. 146 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:19.720 That's why the dude who did the rose Yeah. 147 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:20.040 Yeah. 148 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:23.600 Anyways, video games and and all that stuff, let's not 149 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.319 talk about let's not talk about anything. 150 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.600 It's the end of the year. It's true, it's the 151 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:31.560 end of the year. So game Spot go to GameSpot 152 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.279 dot com. We have our top ten up. We have 153 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:37.519 a Game of the Year up. It was metaphor refantasio. 154 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:39.000 Is that how you say it? 155 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:44.560 Yeah, refantasio, fantasio, refantasio. I can't say it. I mean, 156 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:45.800 I'm saying it now. You gotta say it like a 157 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.800 re fantasm metaphor refantasio. 158 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:50.680 I struggle saying it. 159 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:52.839 Is there a colon between the r E and the 160 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:54.680 fantasio or? Did I dream that? 161 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:55.000 No? 162 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:57.959 But the the F is capitalized, so it's r E. 163 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.519 I think you're just a stare. You're typing Japanese RPG titles. 164 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:07.959 I have every they do, like words, there's a colon 165 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.759 after metaphor? I think there is. 166 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:15.079 I think, yes, assume there is, for like the fire 167 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:17.000 Escape Game of the Year, the other one of the 168 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.720 podcasts I work on. There's always a category that's just 169 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:24.319 worst titled games, and some of them are just truly, 170 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:25.360 truly truly. 171 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:27.399 What was one of the worst titled games this year? 172 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:29.519 I can't even think of it off the top of 173 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:30.720 my head. I can probably pull. 174 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:34.480 Up what's the new Naughty Dog one? Intergalactic fun time. 175 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:38.759 Heretic profit profit. It's so bad that really it's called 176 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:40.480 Intergalactic the heretic prophet. 177 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:43.000 Yes, oh god, it's the same it's it feels like 178 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:47.120 the same garble of fucking nonsense words as that one 179 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:53.279 Breath of the Wild Ubisoft clone. Oh oh, Phoenix Yeah, 180 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:55.440 Phoenix Rising. Yeah, And it just feels like a series 181 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.039 of words. Yes, Immortals Phoenix Rising. 182 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:00.879 They should have just gone with Intergalactic that's like way better. 183 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:02.519 Yeah, I don't know. And also I think the original 184 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:06.080 title for Mortals Phoenix Rising was like, we have. 185 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:10.200 A different the God's Anger of the Gods or something 186 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.799 like Gods and Monsters, Gods and monsters, which is quite cool, cool, 187 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:15.559 but you know, se o, it's gonna be a lot 188 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.480 easier to identify that you're looking for something. 189 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:20.240 Yeah, because if you were having Gods and Monsters, you'll 190 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.600 probably find a lot of stuff it's about gods and monsters. 191 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.799 But if you type in Immortals of Phoenix Rising, Google's 192 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:27.919 gonna have no problem finding that fucking string of bullshit, 193 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.240 just like Intergalactic Prophet Wizard. 194 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.080 I know this, it has been said, but man is 195 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.759 depressing that we're naming games based on or anything based 196 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:37.360 on the case. 197 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.159 But I can as I can imagine, you know. 198 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:42.039 But it is something I'm sure that gets thought about. 199 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.559 There's meetings where it's like, what can we call it? 200 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:45.879 This like what happens if you google it? 201 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:47.279 And yeah, it was a really good joke. 202 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:49.639 I forgot about because I had to recapture the beginning 203 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.639 of Lorelai the other day. And when you first meet 204 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.360 Renzo and he's like on the phone and he's like, oh, 205 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.759 he's talking about He's like what they just want to 206 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:01.679 call it lazery. He's like no, no, no, no, no, like 207 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:03.399 tell me can go fuck themselves. 208 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:06.320 And that's why Laura Lili and the Laser Eyes is 209 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:08.919 my personal game of the Year because it is also 210 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:10.519 my personal game of the year. 211 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:11.440 It is also. 212 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.759 Talk about being a satire and also a commentary on 213 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:21.159 game development and art technology and doing it all at once, 214 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:23.799 to the point where we're talking about a garble of 215 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:25.960 fucking words, and Laura Li and the Laser Eyes addresses 216 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.159 it in the opening ten fucking minutes, which makes you 217 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:31.360 kind of which I think validates your point. That's like, yeah, 218 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:33.840 I think maybe you know, there's definitely probably a meeting 219 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:34.639 someone's happening. 220 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:38.000 I mean, I imagine for smaller titles, they're probably not 221 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:38.759 as concerned with that. 222 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.279 Maybe they are, I don't know, but like you, you know, 223 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:43.919 you'd be soft has to be like they have meetings where's. 224 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.840 And it's clearly working the fuck out for them. Yeah, 225 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:49.919 I'm doing great right now. Yeah, not to be totally 226 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:51.759 jaded about it, but I mean, like you see these 227 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.720 big giant businesses and corporations making these silly decisions that 228 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:59.120 I just can't forge. I can't see anything that there 229 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:00.840 is happening on there, and they're neck of the words 230 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.159 that makes sense. Yeah, I mean the person I've gotten 231 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:05.039 our top sad in that game I gave me. 232 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:05.399 To play that. 233 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:08.600 That game's cool. It's uh, I think I think it was. 234 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:11.559 But they also just burst the team, so yeah. 235 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:13.879 I mean, you know, I'm not gonna I'm not like 236 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:15.960 a games analysts, so I'm sure there's many reasons why 237 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.480 that game didn't succeed, But I honestly think that is 238 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:23.480 an example of the perception of it U be soft 239 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:25.720 kind of like very. 240 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:27.679 Negatively impacting, where I think a lot of people who 241 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:29.159 are like I know I would like that game. 242 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:33.000 I just don't trust you be soft. Like I heard 243 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.320 that all want from people, which is very interesting. 244 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:38.679 I mean, it's so shallow I need to get it. 245 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:39.919 I think I'm gonna play it. I've got a flight 246 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:41.559 coming up, Long Flights. I think I'm gonna play it 247 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.600 doing that. But like for me, it was like, man, 248 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.519 that's fifty dollars it came out, Yeah, that's kind of 249 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.519 a lot, and like, but the to say, because I 250 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.720 know the game is very good. People everyone I've talked 251 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.600 to have loved it and like, it's just. 252 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:57.879 But I understand that mentality. I also it's like, but 253 00:11:57.919 --> 00:11:59.919 the funny part is, you know if you saw Metro 254 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.679 dread for fifty dollars, would you have had the same feeling. 255 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:05.919 No, I would have thought it was a deal because 256 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:08.120 it was like, wow, Nintendo didn't charge sixty dollars. 257 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:10.679 Yeah, right, But I think. 258 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:12.720 Part of me too, Like, I mean, Metroid might be 259 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.279 a weird example, but I fucking love Metroid. 260 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:18.759 And it's been tranditionally. Yeah, and at least I stand 261 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.720 correct because at least Metroid basically created the genre that 262 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.159 Prince of Personal Lost Crown is adapting. Yeah, but I 263 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:30.200 mean it fucking did it exceptionally well? 264 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:31.799 Yeah, yeah, I think I'm gonna get it and play 265 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:32.679 it over over the break. 266 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:33.240 Yeah. 267 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:37.279 So I had decided to come up with just like 268 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.799 a list of weird questions. Cool that we could just 269 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.559 kind of go over to kind of give our personal 270 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.559 flavor for the year, our own, our own wrap up 271 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.639 between the three of us. So I want to start 272 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:53.279 with what was a game that was not in Game 273 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:57.360 of Spots Top ten that you personally would have put on? 274 00:12:59.720 --> 00:12:59.960 Got It? 275 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:01.559 I don't know the name, but you're the one who 276 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:02.919 recommended that I play. 277 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:03.679 Twentieth Century Kid. 278 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.240 Twentieth Century Kid bo Boca no Matsu. Yeah, I'm all 279 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.039 I love I put in like twenty hours in this. 280 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:10.440 I think I put like ten or twelve. 281 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:14.480 Yeah, but I think that was probably one of my 282 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:16.440 favorite games that even I forgot to put in my 283 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.080 top ten. But we were just talking about it, and uh, 284 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:23.080 it's definitely one of the more not Suman not Suman. Yeah, 285 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:26.480 definitely one of the more interesting games that came out 286 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:31.279 this year because it's kind of about nothing. It's you 287 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:34.399 were just a kid and you have that that innocent 288 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:37.000 sense of discovery as you're walking around catching bugs in 289 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:38.759 nineteen ninety nine in Role Japan. 290 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:41.360 But yeah, I dug that game along. 291 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:45.519 And that game also does really doesn't tell you, like 292 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.600 it only suggests it only like gives you ideas of 293 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:50.639 like what you could do and what you could explore. 294 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.879 But you can play that entire game having never because 295 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:55.759 it only lasts for it last. You know, it's like 296 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:57.919 a day night cycle that lasts for a summer's worth 297 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.600 of time in game thirty days, right, Yeah, but you 298 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.720 can complete that game after like it just runs out 299 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:06.639 out of time in thirty days, and you could literally 300 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:08.519 done nothing that the game told you to do. You 301 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:10.919 just can exist and like wander around town and like 302 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.600 meet people lovely out like in the fields and roll 303 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:16.799 Japan or like touch butterflies and not give a shit 304 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:17.519 about anything. 305 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.000 And there's like a bunch of great characters too, and 306 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.639 like if you do want to do I guess not 307 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:27.320 side missions tasks or whatever, Like there's the whole mystery 308 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:29.879 club that you can get involved in, and there's the 309 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.279 guy who's trying to clean his lighthouse or whatever. 310 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.080 And fill your diary every night. 311 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.480 Yeah, and yeah, that's a good one that was on 312 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:38.080 my top ten. 313 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:39.639 I know I should have put it on there. I 314 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.679 think it was just completely spaced forget. Yeah, but it 315 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:44.960 definitely would have been I think a hard fight to 316 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:46.320 get it on gamespots. 317 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:50.639 I don't know, I mean clearly if we So for 318 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:51.919 those of you who don't know, the way our top 319 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.759 ten works is like we all vote, we all have 320 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:57.000 our own list of top ten that we submit, and 321 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.159 then based on where those fall into a line in 322 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:03.720 our top ten, kind of aggregates points and then you know, 323 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:07.480 but like for example, Lorelin Lasers made on our top 324 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:09.480 ten because I think four or five people voted for it, 325 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.399 but they voted for it very high. 326 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:14.639 I mean, I know three people who put it number one, 327 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:16.879 but there's even two other people who voted for it 328 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:18.440 and put it pretty high in their list, which got 329 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:19.639 it into our top ten. 330 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:21.440 But that doesn't mean it's actually in our top ten. 331 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.879 That just puts it up for discussion. Sure, so even 332 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:26.360 if like Jake and I put natsum on twentieth Century 333 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:28.360 Kid on our like number one our list, like, that's 334 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.600 probably not enough to have actually got it in the 335 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:32.039 top ten. 336 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:34.200 Yeah, unless we fought past unless. 337 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.159 We had a half life Alex moment where not enough 338 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:37.960 people played it and we were like, no, this fucking game. 339 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:41.039 So, like a weird example for me is in a 340 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.679 reverse of that, was I put a game in my 341 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.279 top ten pretty high that I figured, oh, this is 342 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.240 not gonna end up in the top ten. It actually 343 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.600 did initially buy the votes, but then it got kicked 344 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.320 out and Final was with it. That was Destiny to 345 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.799 the Final Shape, which I put on my top ten 346 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.399 for very personal reasons of like, well, this game means 347 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.320 a lot to me, you know, culmination of a ten 348 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.519 year story and journey for that game, Like, I think 349 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.240 it just came together so incredibly well. And it was 350 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.200 like I really didn't think that thing was going to 351 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:17.200 be any good because of how the last expansion I 352 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:18.840 thought was kind of disappointing, and I was like, oh, 353 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:20.559 I don't know if they can bring the story together. 354 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.919 They had a bunch of layoffs, like it just but 355 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.840 they did it, and it was like incredible. So like 356 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:31.679 it just meant a lot to me and apparently meant 357 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:34.559 a lot to enough other people at games they initially 358 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:35.360 end up in our list. 359 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:40.039 Yeah, I was gonna say, if it wasn't for Stalker two, 360 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:44.399 Indiana Jones and what was the third one that stuck 361 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.399 its way up Hell Diveries was it? 362 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.200 Hell? Yeah? 363 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:50.480 Well, I mean for me, if it wasn't for soccer 364 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:53.480 too in Indiana Jones, I would have I mean I 365 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.559 did I think I believe I voted for Desney today. 366 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.879 It was it was actually really close in the list. Yeah, 367 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.840 I mean it made it like it was into the 368 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:05.880 it was number ten in the top ten when it 369 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:08.160 when we didn't know it it was, it was there. 370 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:10.279 It was there, but if it wasn't going up against 371 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:13.279 two other games that I I personally played and. 372 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.559 Thought sure and and and I also felt like it 373 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:17.720 should have gone to those games. 374 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.759 Yeah, is that your game that you would have you 375 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:22.720 would have had in the top ten if you could. 376 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.759 Chose m maybe, But because it kind of did end up, 377 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:28.720 I think the other game I would talk about that 378 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:31.519 was like a personal like I just sunk a ship 379 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:32.920 ton of time into this game, but I knew it 380 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:35.400 would never end up in the top ten was View Rising. Yeah, 381 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:41.319 because my weird Vampire Crafting Build Your Gothic Castle game. 382 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:46.119 I put a lot of time in ninety hours into 383 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:49.200 that game. Damn played the whole thing co op, which 384 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:50.839 is the way to play it, by the way, like 385 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:51.680 straight up. 386 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:53.319 It was. 387 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:55.680 It was interesting talking about because Richard asked me afterwards, 388 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.640 He's like, I tried playing that game. I just like 389 00:17:57.839 --> 00:17:59.880 I did not like getting bounced off and it was 390 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:01.960 telling me all these things about it that he didn't like. 391 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.680 And uh, also, apologies of this sound happening. 392 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:08.079 There's still building out. 393 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.200 They're still building, especially the void exactly. Yeah, we don't 394 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:16.920 we don't question what comes out of the void. But yeah, 395 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:19.759 I mean, like I totally get like, like I kind 396 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:21.079 of realized, like, yeah, yeah, the game does have a 397 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:24.440 lot of like weird friction stuff that m I could see. 398 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:26.359 If you played by yourself, you'd be like this kind 399 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:30.160 of sucks versus but playing that game co op and 400 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.240 having that specific experience of like working together to take 401 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.039 down these bosses, to build our castles, to like help 402 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:38.640 each other out, it's just extremely fun. 403 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.240 I mean I labeled you as the like the v 404 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:45.000 Rising personal game spot. There was a moment where I 405 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.319 think somebody in our news slack was, hey, does any 406 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.440 even play for Rising? And before I can even type 407 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:52.599 your name, You're like, I'm here, what do you need? 408 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:53.599 Like, what do you need? 409 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:54.599 Yeah? 410 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:57.400 Yeah, I just set it up to the whereas it 411 00:18:57.400 --> 00:18:59.680 gets the type of slack and automatically messaging. 412 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:02.599 We have Googled notifications if anything's ever needed. 413 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.559 It was like, I'm here, Yeah, that game, that game 414 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:07.960 is like, if you're into that. 415 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.400 Type of uh, that type of. 416 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:13.920 Experience, like it is really really fun, especially because you 417 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:15.400 can just have like a server going with eight people 418 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:15.799 in a group. 419 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:17.519 Oh, I didn't realize there's that many people. 420 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.400 You can have up to eight and and the thing is, 421 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:21.839 so we played it where we were on like a team, 422 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.359 but you can have it where everyone's against each other 423 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:26.799 and you can face right people's castles. 424 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:28.279 Because that's when I was like, I want to make 425 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:32.079 the shittiest fucking mansion imaginable and have people come and 426 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.359 raid my joint find fucking jack shit. 427 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.240 I will say probably one of the biggest surprises for 428 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.160 me as we were putting together that top ten was 429 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:46.559 Final Fantasy was pretty high on there, and I was like, 430 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:48.440 I'm just gonna say my piece, I don't think this 431 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.559 game belongs on the list, and I was like, you know, I'm. 432 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:52.960 Sure a lot of people want to to do that. 433 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.839 And after I said it, I put my headphones down 434 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.319 and walked away, and mid lunch came back and it 435 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:00.880 was off the list, and I was like, all right, 436 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:04.440 you know, I'm sorry if you're a fan, but oh 437 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:05.960 my god, that game wasted so much. 438 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:07.559 Of my time I mean two more, who's saying the 439 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:09.519 reviewer of that game who gave it an eight out 440 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.839 of ten, it was like I could not bring himself. 441 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.200 I know Jess really wanted it. 442 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.680 Yeah, yeah, And I will preface I know people were 443 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:19.400 very excited for that game. 444 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:20.720 I know people had a lot of fun. I am 445 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:24.680 so happy for them that it connected it just I 446 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:27.000 wanted it. I wanted to enjoy it so bad I couldn't. 447 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:28.519 It didn't end up on my top ten. But that 448 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:33.720 is a game that, despite how messy it is and 449 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.720 how badly it ends and really like just I think 450 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.160 like kind of takes a nose dive, there are things 451 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:43.759 about that game that I still think are really incredible 452 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.720 and amazing. I think the voice actor for Barrett should 453 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.839 have been nominated and one Best Voice Actor for the 454 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:54.680 Game Awards. And that's just my personal shit, But I like, 455 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:56.519 to me, I'm like, he's the standout. 456 00:20:57.440 --> 00:20:59.319 What about what was your feel like? 457 00:20:59.359 --> 00:20:59.759 How So? 458 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.400 I haven't played Final Fantasy Rebirth seven Rebirth, but I've 459 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.200 heard a lot about Barrett's story. I played a lot 460 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.000 of the games for who was nominated for Best Actor? 461 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:14.079 Oh sure? I really it was a weird one for 462 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:16.319 me because I really do think the actor who portrayed 463 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:22.119 James Sutterland should have only because so much of it 464 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:22.799 is owed to. 465 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.640 Not those lines, but purely I agree. 466 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:33.720 I also think it's funny because the actress for sanuel One, 467 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.920 which I you know, I think she's incredible, She's fantastic, 468 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:43.200 but equally help Blade also won Best sound Design, which 469 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:45.400 I also think should have gone to Silent Hill too, 470 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:50.680 because I'm like, heel Blade had the most sound design, Yes, 471 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:52.359 he's the most present. 472 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:55.759 Yeah, I don't know if I would. I have. 473 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:59.200 I have feelings about that games sound design and how 474 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:03.799 it's actually uti where Style Hill to sound design genuinely 475 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:09.359 fucking terrifying, Holy shit that game. 476 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:14.839 I feel like sound design in in movies and games 477 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:16.400 is one of those things that I don't think a 478 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:18.920 lot of people really understand, Like yeah, they. 479 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:20.680 Know it, but they know it when it's not there. 480 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:21.039 You know. 481 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:23.000 It's like one of those things that like I think 482 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.400 a lot of people can identify when it's good and 483 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:28.240 they like I was like, oh my god, that movie 484 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.799 sounded so good, but when it's bad, it's like they 485 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:32.880 can't quite plays like why, Like it's it's the thing 486 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:34.000 they notice it's there. 487 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.319 Yeah, I think the to get a little inside baseball, 488 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.519 I guess for the Game Awards, I I feel that 489 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.440 because we're talking about we're talking about who won game 490 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:48.039 awards awards, not our personal awards. Yeah, there's some categories 491 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:54.319 that I think just like I don't know if collectively 492 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.240 games journalists who are the ones who vote these have 493 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:02.759 like an understanding of some of these things the way 494 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.920 they should, like maybe like certain individuals do, but like 495 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.519 I would say, like sound design music is another one. 496 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:14.359 Game Direction is a really weird award for me because 497 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:18.680 it basically it's like, well what does that mean? 498 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.000 And very rare direct a game? 499 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:25.039 Yeah, And usually what ends up happening is like best 500 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.160 Game Direction also ends up going to the Game of 501 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:29.400 the Year or something like that. Like usually those end 502 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:30.400 up just being the same thing. 503 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:32.799 Not always, but oh yeah, I mean did astrobot when 504 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:34.440 actually I don't remember. 505 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.160 I could be wrong this year, but it's. 506 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.480 Like, do we know what that means? 507 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:43.200 And what does that like? Like I don't understand what 508 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:45.640 that means. Like when you tell me, like what came 509 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:47.559 in the best Direction this year, I'm. 510 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:52.319 Like, well, this one went north, that one went you know, Okay, 511 00:23:53.880 --> 00:24:01.359 God damn it. Oh best Cardinal Direction. I'm thinking, no, 512 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:04.720 I get that too, Like I mean, it happens with 513 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.519 like the Academy Awards too, which I pay considerably less 514 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:11.480 attention to. But it's like, sure, not that, not that 515 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.079 I know these things, you know, Like if I was vote, 516 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:16.240 I don't vote for the Game Awards. It's like I 517 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:18.400 think game Spot does, but it's like very specific people 518 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:18.640 who do. 519 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:20.799 Yeah, yeah, we none of us vote for that. 520 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:22.279 To be fair, If I sat. 521 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.640 Down and was like best direction, I don't know. I 522 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:28.680 just vote for lower lion and laser eyes and then yeah, yeah. 523 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:30.799 Yeah, But I'm sure there's at least some truth to that, 524 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:32.480 or at least I mean, or at least in your 525 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:34.839 view of what how like, because like I guess, the 526 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.079 way I see it is cohesive. Like I always talk 527 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:41.640 about this. When I think a game is the most 528 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.039 effective is when every single element of that game is 529 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.519 working in tandem with one another. Sure, And like I 530 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:49.440 think that's that can sometimes, and that's different for everyone 531 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:51.640 because somebody might just like a good story, sure, and 532 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:54.240 a story can exist separately from how the game plays, 533 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.480 and people have different opinions of that and that's fine. 534 00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:57.200 It's all subjective. 535 00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:59.720 And to me, it's like, how is the narrative of 536 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:03.359 the game game complimenting the way it's played. How is 537 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:06.720 the way it's played feeding back into the narrative, into 538 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:08.799 the themes, into the design, Like they all have to 539 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.359 be cohesive, including the music. And that's what makes games 540 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:13.920 as a medium so much different than other things. Of course, 541 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:15.359 like when I watch a movie, I want those things 542 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:20.240 to interlock, but there's something different in games about like 543 00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:24.000 all these sort of specialties and mediums and understandings overlapping 544 00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:26.240 and working with another, which is why I always kind 545 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.519 of lean towards games like lower lyon Laser Eyes or 546 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:32.440 like Allen Wake two or even Psychoonots too. Those are 547 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:33.599 the games that were my game of the year over 548 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:34.319 the past few years. 549 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.480 And it's like, right, we're like, you know, going back 550 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.839 to Monald Fantasy, that is a game that, while I 551 00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:43.400 think has amazing stuff, it also is like way too bloated. Yeah, 552 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.400 has too many things could have easily been trimmed down, 553 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:52.519 Like as far as a direction goes like that, that's too. 554 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:53.480 For a game to be considered for. 555 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:55.799 Am I And that actually Final Fantasy seven remake was. 556 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.240 That was one of my issues with the game where 557 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.920 I felt like the game was actually like grinding again 558 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:01.960 itself at times where it's like it was like its 559 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:05.440 tone of certain scenes was at oz or the agency 560 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:07.519 that the players or the character should have been in, 561 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:09.000 and it was like, this is not making sense. 562 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:10.920 Yeah, I think Tam put it well when he said 563 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:13.319 like it's it's nah. It was either Tam or Michael 564 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:14.880 who said it to me. Where they said it was 565 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:16.799 like they went and they went down and they wrote 566 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:18.920 a bunch of ideas on the whiteboard and then they said, so, 567 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.000 which one should we do? And then they just circled 568 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:22.559 everything and said all of it. 569 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:27.559 Yeah yeah, And you're like, uh yeah, so I don't know, 570 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:29.519 so I guess, Like, but that's the thing, is like direction, 571 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:32.279 It's the fact that each of us here have different 572 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:35.000 ideas of what that could be and what that means. 573 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.920 But I think like right sound design in particular is 574 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.599 always like a weird one for me because I feel 575 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:40.880 like a lot of times it is the game with 576 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.759 the most sound design or like wow, the gun sound 577 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:47.480 effects sound incredible, when it's like there there's not there's 578 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:48.200 no artistry to that. 579 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:49.880 There's a lot of artistry that goes into that, but 580 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:50.799 I feel like there's. 581 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:56.759 A silent Hill had a uh like a like a 582 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.359 deft hand with how it was using its sound I think, 583 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.400 and it was yeah in a way that like like 584 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.400 I feel like the help the first Hill Blade. To 585 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.079 be fair, I didn't play a whole lot of the 586 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:10.200 second one because I just did not enjoy it. But 587 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.519 I really liked the first one, and that had really 588 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:16.160 good sound design, Like it was it felt very different 589 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.160 from what other games were doing at the time. I 590 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:20.599 think that was one of the first games that had 591 00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.839 like three D by narrow audio or whatever and the 592 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:24.960 way the voices would talk to you, and I felt 593 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.039 like there was just more of that from what I 594 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:31.079 played into, which was still good, but I think about 595 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.079 how yeah, like you're saying, sound, Hill's sound design like 596 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.599 literally fucked with me for eighteen hours straight. 597 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:39.880 So good. 598 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.519 Going off of sound, it was already game music that 599 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.240 really stood out to you. This year, I was listening 600 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:50.680 to the min Max podcast and they did one where 601 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.400 they just had their like music category, and I forgot 602 00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:56.680 how much it just enjoy listening to like game music, 603 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.440 and I was like, oh man, yeah, yeah, yeah, even 604 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:02.160 if the game sucks, sometimes I can just have a 605 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:03.160 banger soundtrack. 606 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:05.720 The track that really sticks out this year is one 607 00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:07.400 that I did not like it first, and I was 608 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.799 so confounded by was the It's one of the battle 609 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:12.920 themes in metaphor with like. 610 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:17.079 The the Esperanto. 611 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.519 I love that I came around on it, but it's no, 612 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:24.920 I'm like it was a jam. But I was like 613 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.200 when it first, I was like, I mean to speak 614 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.880 on direction, you know, I was like, what direction have 615 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.000 they taken this in? 616 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:33.640 I don't know if the world is ready for this. 617 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:38.400 Yeah, there's an adjustment period where you're just like, I 618 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.240 don't know about this, and then yeah, by the end 619 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:42.319 it kind of like whether you wanted to or not. 620 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:46.960 It embraces you and you're like, I'm. 621 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.720 Struggling, embraces you and shouts in your ear. 622 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:57.039 There's a game called Withering Rooms, which may have been 623 00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.000 my answer for the previous question of like, if there's 624 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.799 a game that I would have liked to put in 625 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:02.400 my time. I mean, my actually answer probably would have 626 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:07.160 been Athometers. But Withering Rooms has a really unique soundtrack 627 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:12.720 that's kind of hard to explain, only because it kind 628 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:20.079 of tiptoes on like like chill Step, but it has 629 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:23.400 but still has like a eerie fantasyiness to it because 630 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:28.119 the game is a fantasy horror game. But I'm like 631 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.240 kind of off taken. I'm like I was taken off 632 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.880 guard a few times by like how like kind of whimsy. 633 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:35.240 The soundtrack was. 634 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:39.200 It felt very distinct, but there's no particular song that 635 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:40.799 got me. 636 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.440 Like but just even if the yeah, that game I 637 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:44.319 think with Rooms. 638 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:45.920 Has a good soundtrack, cool, It's like it's one of 639 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.799 those soundtracks that like, unlike where I was talking about 640 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.400 like cohesion and things interlocking, it doesn't really interlock with 641 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.240 the vibe or the stack of the game at all, 642 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.200 but in a way it adds to it because it 643 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:01.119 feels so like I I'm a fan of of extremes 644 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:05.519 and like Oxymorons, so they playing a game that is 645 00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:09.119 like very was quite scary, very stressful, very realistic in 646 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.960 its graphics, but then you have a soundtrack that's kind 647 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.759 of like more bubbly at times. It doesn't really make 648 00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:15.839 a lot of sense. I actually really dug it so 649 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.960 with ingram Rooms, that would be my answer, okay, but 650 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:21.720 nothing else is really popping out to me other than 651 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.279 the Stoker two soundtrack, which is at times like still 652 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:29.880 like yeah, droning SYNTHI tension that you could find in 653 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.640 like most movie trailers, but I feel like it's used 654 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.440 sparingly in Stalker two, so when it does come in, 655 00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:42.319 it feels good. Yeah, how about you, I think so reload. 656 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.000 Actually, there's a lot of those tracks I don't want. 657 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:50.720 Yeah, that guy's name Lotus Juice. Yeah, I just woke up. 658 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.440 I'm gonna brush my teeth. Oh, I'm out of orange juice. 659 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.880 I gotta go to the store. There's got to cash 660 00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:57.319 a check. 661 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.240 There's a TikTok where it's like that track, but it's 662 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:05.039 just a guy being like, YO want casey casey me 663 00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.640 in Georgia just say that to each other all the time. 664 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:09.759 I act. 665 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.599 I actually am not as big a fan of the 666 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.200 the remixed tracks because I'm like, they don't sound as 667 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:17.400 good as the original. But there's a couple of new 668 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.559 tracks on that game that I really fuck with. Colier Night, 669 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.200 which is the new track that played at nighttime. I'm like, ah, 670 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.119 I could just listen to this only but it's a 671 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.359 it's a bop. But but at the same time, I'm 672 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.440 muscle like, you know, it's it's it feels kind of 673 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.400 weird to put a Persona song on there because you're like, yeah, 674 00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.559 you know, it's par for the course, a part for 675 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:37.880 the course. 676 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.559 They're gonna, they're gonna even even metaphor changed it up, 677 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:44.119 and it's like, exactly right. It's still managed to swoon. 678 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.599 Jake over a friend of mine who was visiting this 679 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.160 past weekend. I got him into uh. 680 00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.319 Person five and then he played four and he's playing 681 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.960 three now nice, And he's just been listening to the 682 00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.680 music that he's made a playlist. He's gotten his whole 683 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:03.000 family into it, his girlfriend, like everyone just loves. 684 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:04.440 The Persona music now, and I'm like, what are. 685 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:06.920 Me get it? 686 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.880 Because the music's really good, it's approachable, but like it's 687 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:11.920 just so bizarre to like show up at you know, 688 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:16.160 and they're listening listening to That's how. 689 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.039 I am with two games, which is Paradise Killer and 690 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:23.160 Kadamar Demosi. Like sometimes I recommend people listen to the 691 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.759 soundtrack more than I actually recommend the games and shows, 692 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.200 even though I think Paradise Killer Andkada Mari Demosi are 693 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.640 like some of the best games I've ever played in 694 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.680 my life, But the Paradise Killer soundtrack is one of 695 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:34.880 those things where I know people who own that soundtrack 696 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:35.440 who have never. 697 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:35.839 Played the game. 698 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:40.720 Oh yeah, sure, okay, don't see here. 699 00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.119 Also shout out to Breeze with you that song on 700 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.759 the Paradise Killer soundtrack. 701 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:48.400 Oh okay, masterpiece. All right, we're. 702 00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:51.200 Gonna We're gonna switch gears for a moment. What is 703 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:57.279 your favorite experience of the year does not have to 704 00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:58.240 be video game related. 705 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:02.200 I was about the sales like seeing Megalis and Falling. 706 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.240 Asleepe That was going to be mine, So I'll pick 707 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.200 a different one. But one of mine was seeing. 708 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:10.880 You Can Do. 709 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.599 An incredible experience because I slept for forty minutes of 710 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:16.480 that movie, so you know. 711 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.680 And you admiss a very pivotal scene and love still 712 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:21.720 man leave an impression. 713 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:24.400 I was actually talking about that with some of the 714 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:26.599 other night just coming up. 715 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:32.720 I have one, okay, playing Big Buck Hunter in London. 716 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:35.960 No, but but that's a good one. That is a 717 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.160 really good one I have. 718 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:37.400 No. 719 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.000 I don't know if any of our listeners know about 720 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.480 the context of this. Did we talk I've ever talked 721 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.359 about it, because I think if we haven't, we should. 722 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.799 But uh, I'm not, but it is at least video 723 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.400 game adjacent where it's like, of course, big Buck Hunters 724 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.839 existed in like all of our lives. Yeah, for as 725 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.200 long as we've been alive, there's always the arcade keminet. 726 00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:57.559 Where you shoot deers and the women. 727 00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.160 Go to an arcade, you go to a bowling alley, 728 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:05.519 you go to the big the go karts and uh, 729 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.640 all three of us who are on this podcast right now, 730 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:13.280 we're in London, Ontario one point, and we spent months 731 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.519 for a time at a pub by ourselves, and at 732 00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:19.719 the pub was a Big Buck Hunter arkide cabinet. And 733 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:21.119 I got to give a shout out to two people. 734 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.119 One of them is Alex Sheha. Who is he? 735 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:25.960 Uh? 736 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.559 I don't know how to describe this individual indescribable, indescribable, 737 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.079 but he hates ketchup. He's a he's good for he 738 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:33.800 hates ketchup. 739 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.840 He loves ketch up. I heard, yeah, I got that wrong. 740 00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:39.639 So if you if you're listening to this and you 741 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.599 know who Alex is, number one ketchup lover for life, 742 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.119 hashtag catchup lover for life. He looks at that. 743 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.760 He has a he's following that hashtag hot dogs. 744 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:54.679 Yeah, basically the mayor of Chicago and UH, and we 745 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.079 also I have to give a shout out to Nick 746 00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:02.440 Espelettas Uh who is friend of ours and cool Cat 747 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.639 who also portrayed Leon Kennedy and Resubal two and Resumeal 748 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:10.159 four remake. And I don't know how this started other 749 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.039 than we were like sitting at a bar looking at 750 00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.480 the big buck Hunter machine and I think what I 751 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.880 think it might have been new or somebody was like, oh, 752 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.679 there's something about a tournament. Yeah. They had like a 753 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.039 QR code and they're like, yeah, log in, And then 754 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.360 we found out we opened the gates to this whole 755 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.719 thing we didn't know about. It was like the International 756 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.360 Championship a big buck Hunter. And for the rest of 757 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:35.679 that week and we went to this bar several times 758 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.280 just to play a big buck hun her. And again 759 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.000 that had no meaning to me. Something doesn't hunt, like 760 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.440 doesn't like guns in real life. I now go to 761 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.519 bars see if there's a big. 762 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.440 Buck Hunter, not even to play it, just to be like, oh, I. 763 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.039 Was like looking up because you can buy I think 764 00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.719 it's like one up arcade who like do rebo arcades? 765 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:58.599 You can buy for your home. They sell a big 766 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.119 Buck Hunter one. Yeah, and I was like, seven hundred bucks, 767 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.079 maybe I could get that expense for the office. 768 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.800 Oh, we should expect that. Do we have extra budget, 769 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:08.760 Let's get that in there. 770 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:09.039 Yeah. 771 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:11.360 So I mean, but it's one of those things where 772 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:13.079 it's like it was the right amount of people at 773 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.760 the right time, a thing that was not anything I 774 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.639 would ever look twice at has left an impression on 775 00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:20.280 me for the rest of my life. It was incredible. 776 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:21.840 So big Bug, that's a good one. 777 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.679 I've thought more about Big Buck Hunter this last year 778 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.559 than you collectively in my entire life. 779 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:28.079 It is. 780 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.639 I don't want to say how far we actually went, 781 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:36.119 and considering to going to this championship, we thought, well, 782 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:37.599 the reason I don't want to say it is because 783 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.440 we're going to have to do it actually, but like it. 784 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:44.000 Occupied a lot of my brain space. 785 00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.039 I was reaching out to people to be like, hey, 786 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:47.480 can we make anything work here? 787 00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:50.679 And I'm really bummed out because there's a bar a 788 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.119 that I love here in SF that I started going 789 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:56.400 to recently and it feels like the perfect bar that 790 00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:59.519 would have it, but they down't, but they don't, and 791 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.880 I buying one. You want to here? 792 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.079 You go, I've been going there, send that tripod back 793 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:06.719 and we. 794 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.880 Could pay for it, but I'm kind of like hoping 795 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.159 to get good with the owner. Who I've who's been, 796 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.239 who's there every time I go? And to one day 797 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.920 just be like, if you want haves, he's on a big. 798 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:21.639 One day, we walk into Stookies AND's just. 799 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.880 He's nineteen twenties theme bar where it's like they show 800 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.039 black and white films. They replace the screen with a 801 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:33.199 big book on her in the corner. 802 00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:34.599 Everyone hates it except for you. 803 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:39.320 I have there every fucking day, bartenders wearing up shirts 804 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:40.480 and bow ties. 805 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.239 And they're like, honestly, I can get rid of it, 806 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.480 but Kurt's making us so much money. 807 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.199 Yeah, and that's where we're gonna start having the tournaments. 808 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:48.519 Yes is there? 809 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:50.119 So? 810 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:50.880 Yeah, that's mine? 811 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:52.239 What about you? That's a good one. 812 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:59.480 My uh okay, So we mentioned Thatopolis Hunter. 813 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:02.960 I think for me. 814 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.000 So close second was seeing Health that hell that. 815 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.760 Was this year was Oh yeah, I guess was February. 816 00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:15.960 February that concert fucking rule, Oh my god. 817 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.320 And then everyone also saw a pixel Grip and became 818 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:25.440 star fucking obsessed with the sing Yes, who I saw 819 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.280 at a CVS my two pace and I just had 820 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:28.920 to go up to them and. 821 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:30.840 Be like, hey, are you a are you a cigarete? 822 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:31.360 Pixel grip? 823 00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:32.239 We love you. 824 00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:35.880 I made a total ass on myself. A great conversation. 825 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:38.000 We appreciate that. 826 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.760 Yeah, so that's a close second, But I think probably 827 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.719 my number one was going to Japan to help my 828 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:45.239 brother move. 829 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.320 It's just a really cool experience. 830 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.400 I forget if I've talked about that on the podcast, 831 00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:51.679 but yeah, I had to go help my brother move 832 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.239 to Yokohama and it was cool, especially because it was 833 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.280 very different from a typical Japan experience because a lot 834 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.000 of it was like all right, let's go buy you 835 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:06.159 like a shelf, like yeah, like a let's like I 836 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:07.639 kind of got to like see what. 837 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.000 It was more like to sense of normality. 838 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:13.039 Yeah, the normality, the day to day sort of like well, okay, 839 00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.039 like what would the route be to walk to the 840 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:18.559 nearest grocery store and we're gonna go, We're gonna see 841 00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:20.119 how long it takes to get on the train to 842 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.519 your school, and like doing stuff like that was it 843 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:23.880 was like. 844 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.599 A really unique You're not there for work. I'm not 845 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:28.840 there for work, You're not even there for really fun. 846 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.480 No, I mean we did have fun, but you know 847 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.400 what I'm saying, but yeah, exactly vacation. 848 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:33.599 Yeah, it was. 849 00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:36.079 So it was a real unique experience and it was 850 00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:39.559 super cool and I'm I want to go back before 851 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.079 he he comes back to the US. 852 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.719 I have a runner up that also takes place in 853 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:46.320 Japan and. 854 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:48.079 Say that I don't think I've talked about because we 855 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:49.679 haven't done this podcast since that since I was there. 856 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.760 I was there for work, but there was a Rolling 857 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:53.400 Stones bar. 858 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:54.159 Oh my god. 859 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.119 That someone was like you have to go to that. 860 00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.519 We have to go to this Rolling Stones bar and it's. 861 00:39:58.440 --> 00:39:59.000 A good Sorry. 862 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.400 In my head, I was like, it's gonna be corny, 863 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:01.960 you know, like. 864 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.199 Going to an American band or I mean they're not 865 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:05.239 even American. 866 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.239 But like style bar, Western style bar, you know. 867 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.079 And I was like, but I was like, okay, you're 868 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:11.639 really recommending it. So we walk in. 869 00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.840 It's crowded, there's one chair available, and there's three dudes 870 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.840 sitting there and the bartender asked us how many, and 871 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:19.039 we're like three and he. 872 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.039 Looks at these three people. I think they were Australian 873 00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:21.480 and he's. 874 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.559 Like, get the fuck out and they were like what 875 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.679 and they're like, we're waiting for our friend and he's like, 876 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.079 you can't save seats here, get the fuck out. So 877 00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.320 they like left with the tit with like their tails 878 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.000 in between their legs and he's like, yeah, come sit 879 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:32.920 down right, here's right here. 880 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.599 So we like all sat down. We're like did he 881 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.760 just kick them out? I'm like yeah, I think he. 882 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:39.960 Did, and we're like all right, well works for us. 883 00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:44.079 Also didn't clean up, so there was like sixteen empty 884 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.199 beer cans in front of us as we sit down here, 885 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.239 and I was like, oh, he'll probably clear. That did 886 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:52.960 not clear. That was there till two am. Incredible anyway, 887 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.119 it's just playing Rolling Stone song. I like the Rolling 888 00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:59.679 Stones quite a bit. I don't know, there's some albums 889 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.559 I really loved by the Rolling Stones, and one of 890 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.199 my favorite songs of all time is Gimme Shelter, which 891 00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:06.800 I know is like kind of an obvious pick, but 892 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.360 that song gets me. So, I you know, we got 893 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.199 drinks and I called the bartender over and I was like, 894 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.639 it's like, do you take requests if they're Rolling Stones? 895 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.480 And he's like huh no and walked away, and I 896 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.599 was like, all right, that's fine. I mean, you know, 897 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.800 is what it is. He comes back ten minutes later 898 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.360 and he's like, but what would it be? And I 899 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:28.039 was like, gimme shelter off, let it bleed, and he's 900 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.960 like I can't do that, and like walks away. Fifteen 901 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.599 minutes later, I see him like, reach down, pull down 902 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.000 this DVD, put it in, and I see him like 903 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.360 going through a DVD menu and I see gimme shelter 904 00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:41.639 and he looks at me and winks and plays it 905 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:43.719 and then that's good. 906 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.639 That is gonna be my horedible mom. If anybody ever 907 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:48.760 asks me for something, I'm just gonna constantly say like nope, 908 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.119 can't help you, and then do it. Yeah, really and 909 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:51.760 like nope. 910 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:54.719 He also liked to describe him he was like he 911 00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.119 he was like an old Japanese hippie, you know, like. 912 00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:01.079 Was the love the Rolling Stones. 913 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.360 Very excited to be running this bar at four am, 914 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.760 even though you know he like to kick people out 915 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.320 and told people know, yeah and I. 916 00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:09.960 You three good time. 917 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:11.800 Yeah, that does a good one. 918 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:14.920 That was a really good one. Okay, how many seas 919 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:15.840 we're in the bar in total? 920 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:16.920 Twelve? 921 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:17.960 Yeah that sounds about right. 922 00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:21.039 Yeah, it was small. I love that about Japan. It's great. 923 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.079 Yeah, And if it's full, it doesn't matter. 924 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:26.039 There's another bar right next to him. 925 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.920 That's equally as cool in its own unique, weird way. 926 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.440 In my case, if it's full, doesn't matter. He just 927 00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:32.400 fucking booted them out. 928 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:34.840 Yeah, that's one of my biggest problems with it. I 929 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.199 mean it's like, my favorite bar is my favorite bar 930 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.079 in SF is small, but I it's like one of 931 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:44.079 my biggest issues where bars are huge here at least, 932 00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:45.719 like I mean, like like you know, like the teeth 933 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.000 of a fuck ton of space, and it's just I don't. 934 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:48.639 Know, it just feels silly. 935 00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:50.480 It just feels goofy, and I it just it just 936 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.719 means you're only going to get more people who are 937 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.760 more allowed. Yeah, just like. 938 00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.639 It's I even think like part of the reason I 939 00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.480 like San Francisco is that at least there are small 940 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:03.440 bars are like I feel like they're all like so big, 941 00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:05.760 which is fine, I guess, but like, I don't know. 942 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:08.480 My favorite bar at the Nag's Head is like cozy 943 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:09.079 little place. 944 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.480 I think it has less seats than Stookies, does I 945 00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:12.039 think it might? 946 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:12.440 Yeah? 947 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.840 Yeah, but both two small bars and two different neighborhoods 948 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:16.960 and in San Francisco. 949 00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:22.719 Okay, going back to games, Sure, what is a is 950 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:26.119 not a top ten? But you're still thinking about it. 951 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.280 I mean, like not at top ten by my standards. 952 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:32.800 But your standards. Like you're like, this wouldn't be my 953 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.159 top ten. I don't even know if I necessarily recommend it. 954 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:39.679 Maybe you would, but you're like, I'm still thinking about it. 955 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:41.760 Look at the games I've played this year. 956 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:43.000 I can go first. 957 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:47.440 Yeah, guys are thinking, So mine would be the Alone 958 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:52.840 in the Dark reboot that came out a sad still 959 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.239 because the studio actually shut down. Oh I don't know 960 00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:58.440 if I even knew that either they shut down or 961 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.519 like they had a ton of layoffs, like they're that 962 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:03.559 team is not getting a chance to make a sequel, 963 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:07.800 which I think sucks because that game has is not 964 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:13.159 I wouldn't say amazing or even great, but it it. 965 00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.159 There was a lot of passion behind it. There was 966 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.239 a lot of really cool ideas, and I was like, man, 967 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:20.280 if this team just got the chance to refine this 968 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.039 and like get another crack at it to make a sequel, 969 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:24.840 it would have it could have been something like. 970 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.079 Really special I still want to play it. It's just 971 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:31.119 I don't know if it's been less than forty I 972 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:32.480 don't know if i've seen on sale for less than 973 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:32.840 like forty. 974 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.360 Yeah, which, you know what, that's that's fair. That's difficult. 975 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.400 And it's not like you're not like, oh, I want 976 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.039 to support the devs because they're not even around anymore. 977 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.159 Yeah, but yeah, like. 978 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:47.039 That, that game I think is a really cool, like 979 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.119 just like little little five six hour experience. You know, 980 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.239 it's very it's very resonuble to kind of you know 981 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.360 it and it's set up and you know, you have 982 00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:58.559 like two you start to have two protagonists where you 983 00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.760 play through the same story with alternate scenes. Recommend playing 984 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.000 the woman. Her story makes way more sense as like 985 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.440 Jody Comber and I love Jody Comber fantastic versus David Harbor, 986 00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:10.239 who's fine in it. 987 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:12.280 But they're both, I mean, they're both fantastic. But it's 988 00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:16.880 also I'm pretty sure that game was announced without having actors. 989 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.039 I think at the very beginning at once, and then 990 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.679 at some point they're like, fuck, we need a thing, 991 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.320 we need to we don't know if this is going 992 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:24.960 to sell put a face. 993 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.440 I think that game's just got like a really cool style. 994 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.079 You know, they really lean into the whole like nineteen twenties, 995 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:32.960 you know, thirties sesthetic. 996 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:34.079 And with a big buck hunter machine. 997 00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.639 There's the big machine in the corner. You just ignore that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 998 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:40.440 you can play it the whole thing. It's really weird. 999 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:44.679 But uh, but that yeah, that game is like stuck 1000 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:48.880 with me, especially the ending, which I've been wanting to 1001 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.039 tell people about, but I've like held. 1002 00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.280 Off because it's good or because it's just like it's 1003 00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:54.000 so weird. 1004 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.000 No, no, it's great. The ending takes this weird left 1005 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.239 field turn that I like fucking love, and but it's 1006 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:05.280 like it's like the man, I don't know. It's so 1007 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.400 good and I've been like wanting to tell people about it, 1008 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.360 but like I also don't want to ruin that experience 1009 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:11.000 for people if they do plan to play it. But 1010 00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:14.599 I'm just like that that ending in particular stuck with me, 1011 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:18.119 with me of like, oh my god, that's crazy. And 1012 00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.320 it's not that long of a game, Like I said, 1013 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.679 it's like a four to five hour experience where it's 1014 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.000 like which is a. 1015 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.199 Huge selling point for me, but it's just no, I 1016 00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:30.199 want to play before. 1017 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.880 For sure, because it's like, yeah, like the combat like 1018 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.480 that kind of sucks, and like, you know, it was 1019 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.239 a little buggy when it came out. I don't know 1020 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.039 if it's been fixed or not, but like it's playable. 1021 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.280 It's just it's just not a game that I could 1022 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.960 like easily, like unequivocally recommend, especially at a at a 1023 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.320 higher price point, which is a real bummer. But I 1024 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:52.719 am still thinking about that game, and and I wish 1025 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.079 it had gotten a chance to uh, that team had 1026 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:57.440 gotten a chance to make another one interesting. 1027 00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.320 That's that's a good I mean, that's a good question, 1028 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.360 a good good answer. I'm actually struggling with this one 1029 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:04.239 quite a bit. I got one go. 1030 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.239 Hate to say it. Oh, I know this is Stellar Blade. 1031 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.519 Oh I suspected I played. 1032 00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.800 I played a lot of Stellar Blade. I was covering it, 1033 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:17.920 and I probably played more than I needed to. I 1034 00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:21.719 enjoyed it, yeah, because I think it did some things 1035 00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:23.800 very well, but it also did a lot very poorly 1036 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.440 in a way where like I hope that team, it 1037 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.480 sounds like they will it's the opportunity to take another. 1038 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:30.840 Stab at it. 1039 00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.719 But yeah, I thought that game was almost good, almost 1040 00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:37.320 really good. 1041 00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:38.639 But didn't quite hit the mark. 1042 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:40.760 I feel like I should check that game out just 1043 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:46.039 because of how much it is it is aping or 1044 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:50.639 like homaging near like it's like it's like like I 1045 00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:53.599 was like, oh, this is this is just near, like 1046 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.119 straight up like the music and the. 1047 00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.360 Combat's very different, say the Near because I think that's 1048 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.599 probably why I was able to get more into that, 1049 00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:04.880 because it's very well. I thought it was very Soul's like, 1050 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:09.280 but I remember our reviewer Imron disagreed with that, which 1051 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:11.199 I guess I kind of understood why he was disagreeing 1052 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.119 with it, but for me, it felt very Soul's like, 1053 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:19.320 but flashier like some yeah, some some bayonetaisms. 1054 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.760 I guess, sure, yeah, but yeah. 1055 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.039 I thought that game was interesting and I had like, 1056 00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:28.280 I felt pretty good about it. I was like, you know, 1057 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:29.960 this game might actually be my top ten. And I 1058 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.880 returned to it because the Near DLC came out and 1059 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:34.280 they sent code for that, and I was like, oh, 1060 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:36.599 check it out, and jumping back in. 1061 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.119 I was like, oh no, I don't want to play 1062 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.599 this game. I do not want to get back into 1063 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:41.199 this game at all. 1064 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.719 Them doing a near DLC is really funny, like yeah, 1065 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.119 full like. 1066 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:46.840 Also the near director being like, yeah, it's probably a 1067 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:48.079 better game than mine, and everyone's like. 1068 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.599 No, it's not, But I mean that that dude, That 1069 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:55.280 dude's funny. I am. I feel like I've already mentioned it, 1070 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.440 but I probably would say Withering Rooms. Okay, Like this 1071 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:01.400 is a game that I feel like I've I heard 1072 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.519 no one talk about. It's not a game that I 1073 00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.400 think is amazing. It didn't make my top ten, but 1074 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:11.159 it's at least, like I it has been kind of 1075 00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.719 like my go to. And it's also a genre that 1076 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.719 I don't normally like. It's a ropelike in a way, 1077 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:19.119 so it's just like, I don't know, there's a lot 1078 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.199 of things going for it that I'm surprised that I 1079 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:23.679 like it as much as I do, But I would 1080 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:29.119 recommend Withering Rooms. It's kind of janky, it's kind of clunky, uh, 1081 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:34.000 but like it does all of the right Like you know, 1082 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.039 I'm fucking exhaust about people talk about every fucking game 1083 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.079 of the Plan being a soul's like, but I do 1084 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.440 think this game does it in a way without overdoing it. 1085 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.960 It's like just enough of it to like make it 1086 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.719 feel distinct and not like you have to if you die, 1087 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.559 you got to go and get your currency back and 1088 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:54.880 all this shit's not like that, it uses it in 1089 00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:59.559 a more interesting way. Yeah, I don't know, that's kind 1090 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:01.239 of that's a hard question. I've had a really hard 1091 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.280 time the like I was gonna say, like because I 1092 00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.480 reviewed it and I gave it a seven was Harold 1093 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:09.719 halib it, but I hadn't really thought about it as much. 1094 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:11.440 It kind of like pops my head every once in 1095 00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:13.400 a while, but like more as like like oh, like 1096 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:17.920 that was a thing that I feel like started really 1097 00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:21.400 really well and then just did not know what it 1098 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:22.400 was doing by the time an end. 1099 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:26.199 Yeah, I will say a game that didn't make my 1100 00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:28.400 top ten only because I hadn't finished it, but now 1101 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:29.360 would be in my top ten. 1102 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:30.880 I don't know if that's the question. Should I wait? 1103 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.400 No, no, you could you could uh mouthwashing, I think 1104 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.360 through mouth washing and I thought that was really good. 1105 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.440 I thought that did some told a very interesting story 1106 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:42.440 about responsibility in a way that I think, uh is 1107 00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:47.639 shocking at times. I think it's Yeah, I don't want 1108 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:48.719 to say an, I don't want say too much, but 1109 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:53.239 I have some really memorable moments that are written in 1110 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:54.960 a way that you wouldn't expect. 1111 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.079 I played the demo and it did not hook me. 1112 00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:59.440 But ever since the come out and i've seen or 1113 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:01.840 heard people like you talk about it, it's made me 1114 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:03.960 want to go back to it and pick it up. 1115 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.679 But I think the most detrimental thing that I've heard 1116 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.280 about it is people saying it's really scary, because it's 1117 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:10.920 I didn't think it was scary at all. 1118 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.639 There's like, but it's scary in one way only because 1119 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.280 like it's just so few things scare me with Barmber 1120 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:17.320 and I'm always looking for it. 1121 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:18.760 People say it was one of the scariest games I've 1122 00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:22.719 ever played. I did not feel that at all. It 1123 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:26.119 is very uncomfortable, not necessarily what it shows, but what 1124 00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:30.480 it doesn't show. There's some like very uncomfortable themes that 1125 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:32.639 characters kind of dance around. You really have to kind 1126 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.880 of look into to get out, Like I missed the 1127 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.599 very big thing that someone was like, that's why she 1128 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:41.599 said this, and I was like, oh god. 1129 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.639 And when you start to like put that. 1130 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:48.559 Story together, it's it's it's very dark, but I think 1131 00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:53.840 it's more like existential dread in a way. Okay, Yeah, 1132 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:55.519 I don't know if you'd like it. If if the beginning, 1133 00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:57.880 if the demo didn't impress you, like the demo, you 1134 00:51:58.000 --> 00:51:59.360 probably really like it, John Luke. 1135 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.800 I and it's only like three hours I have bought it, 1136 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.440 and I'm like just waiting for the right night to 1137 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:06.519 play it. Yeah, Like I'm like, I'm you know, I 1138 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:08.079 heard it's like a two and a half hour like 1139 00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:09.559 you can do it in one setting, which is what 1140 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:10.719 me and Georgia want to do. And I'm like, we 1141 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:12.039 got to be in the right took me like four 1142 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.840 oh okay, but either way, we're we haven't had the 1143 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.960 right evening where it fit it feels right to I 1144 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:19.599 have like about where we want to. 1145 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:24.079 My Steam wish list is growing, which is uncharacteristic for me, 1146 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.280 but it's because I'm not actually buying games recently. I'm 1147 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.199 just trying to like, oh okay, curate a list that 1148 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.159 I want to get to. Yes, but there's lots of 1149 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:36.800 games on those lists that I'm like really eager to play. 1150 00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:39.559 One of them being I think was what is it 1151 00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:41.119 called Closing Shift? Is that the game I was like 1152 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.159 really excited about. Oh yes, I played the demo of that, 1153 00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:45.360 I fuck it, loved it. 1154 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.000 But I'm waiting to get it, and it's I don't know, 1155 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.440 I feel like I should if mouthwashing is only yeah, 1156 00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.519 three ish fourish hours, I should probably just I should 1157 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.679 probably just throw in just get it. 1158 00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.320 Yeah. That God that Yeah, there's one moment. 1159 00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:01.000 Once again I won't spoil, but like it is all 1160 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:05.039 about someone taking responsibility and him avoiding it as much 1161 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.320 as he can. And there's like they do some really 1162 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:12.360 clever like gameplay mechanics of like him refusing you the player, 1163 00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:14.519 refusing to come to terms with that responsibility in a 1164 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.119 way that feels so shitty. 1165 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:18.280 I think I think it's. 1166 00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:20.320 There was there a part where you're like roaming through 1167 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.320 halls like these tanker sort of hall things I remember 1168 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:27.159 like in the demo, like sort of I don't know, 1169 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.199 whatever it is. The demo didn't leave an impression and 1170 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:31.559 I need to just go back to it and just 1171 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:38.320 hunker up and dig in, wash my mouth with it. Excellent. 1172 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:44.840 What about games that didn't come out this year that 1173 00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:47.559 you played? Are there any games that came out that 1174 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:49.760 didn't come out this year that you played that you 1175 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:50.880 played that stand out to you. 1176 00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.599 Oh yeah, I've got a big one. 1177 00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.840 Okay, I finally played Hollow Night from start to finish, 1178 00:53:57.920 --> 00:53:59.639 which is a game that I tried to play through 1179 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.039 so many goddamn times and it didn't click with me. 1180 00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:05.840 I literally had to force myself for like the first 1181 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.400 ten hours. Once I got into it, I think it's 1182 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.719 a very well made game. I think it's I love 1183 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.840 the art style kind of there's issues I have with 1184 00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.719 the art style, but once I got into it, I 1185 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:19.400 was like, Okay, I get it. I see why people 1186 00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:21.320 are excited for Silk Song. I see why people love 1187 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.360 this game. There are things I really love about it. 1188 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.559 But I think still at the end of the day, 1189 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:28.760 for me, I think it was a little too obtuse, 1190 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:32.920 which is weird as someone who fucking loves Souls games, but. 1191 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:34.400 I think for me, it was just harder for me 1192 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:35.559 to like buy in. 1193 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.719 There's something I I know I've mentioned before on this podcast, 1194 00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.239 but like one of the issues I have with other 1195 00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:44.719 Souls like games is when they like I trust from 1196 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.760 software and their obscurity and a too sort of game 1197 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.320 design in a way where it's like, all, buy into this, 1198 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:52.719 but when another developer does it that I don't have 1199 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.360 that sort of attachment to, I find it very hard 1200 00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:57.920 and I think That's what I was running into with 1201 00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.800 Hollow Night, where it's like, yeah, it's a Soul's game. 1202 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.000 You explore, but like will it pay off, because in. 1203 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:07.159 The Soul's games, I know it will, right, But I'm 1204 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.159 glad I finally played it, and I can say that 1205 00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.559 I'm excited for Silk Song. 1206 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:16.039 Finally happened all this time and now you can have 1207 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.039 the disappointment of never getting it. 1208 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.880 But see, I'm not that I don't care that much. 1209 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.159 I'm gonna play it when it comes out. I was 1210 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.079 hoping they'd like finally announce it or like reveal a 1211 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:28.920 date right as I finished it, and I'd be like, 1212 00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:30.039 oh cool, I only had to wait. 1213 00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:30.440 Like a month. 1214 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.760 I got one, you got one. There's so there's I mean, 1215 00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.559 I I'll just start with my I know. 1216 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:40.280 My answer is Planescape Torment. 1217 00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:46.079 Oh, that game that came so good, so I played 1218 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:48.119 it for the first time this year. It's one of 1219 00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:50.920 those games I've heard about my tireful you know, like 1220 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:52.800 the past, like like as somebody who loves narrative and 1221 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:57.280 loves writing, every time you fucking the best, like the 1222 00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:59.079 top of fucking list is just like one of the 1223 00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:04.039 best games I ever written. Planescape Torment and I finally 1224 00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:07.840 like just hunkered down and played it this year. Was 1225 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.079 that before you played Fallout or oh it was before okay, 1226 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.920 the original Fallout. 1227 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:16.559 Which I would say the original fall is not the 1228 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.920 best written game, but I still think it's I think 1229 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.199 it's really good, great, I still think it's right. 1230 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:25.400 I think it's like surprising how like it holds up. Yeah, 1231 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.239 I mean Planescape Tournament did come out after, but uh, 1232 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:33.840 you could definitely tell Fallout was made by I don't 1233 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.679 know how to put it, like it definitely doesn't have 1234 00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.039 itself together as much as something like Plane Sha a 1235 00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:42.360 little bit. Yeah, you're a little more unrefined. Yeah, and 1236 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:44.559 you can tell also that they were like kind of 1237 00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:46.440 like just shooting from the hip on a lot of 1238 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:49.199 things for that game. But Planescape Torment as a game, 1239 00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:50.639 if you want to talk all games that I think 1240 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:54.440 about fucking constantly, that's the top of this. I think 1241 00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:57.480 I think about it. I was thinking about it this week, 1242 00:56:57.559 --> 00:56:59.360 I was thinking about booting up this week. I was like, 1243 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:01.599 I think about it all the fucking time. 1244 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:01.960 Yeah. 1245 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.440 It has one of the best side quests I have 1246 00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.719 ever played in my fucking life. I almost have to 1247 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.119 tell you where you like you it's because it's one 1248 00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.000 of those things you can literally just walk by it, it 1249 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.800 doesn't matter. But there's a part of that game where 1250 00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:21.199 your main character goes to basically like a brothel and 1251 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:25.440 like you have to and you realize that every single 1252 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:29.639 working girl, which is like ten of them, you can 1253 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.639 talk to each one of them, learn everything about their 1254 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:34.599 lives that you want to learn, and that they all 1255 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:37.320 have beef with each other in some way. But then 1256 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.840 on top of that, they each have basically like their 1257 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:43.639 own quest. Each girl has their own quest that like 1258 00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.760 takes you in completely different directions around the map. And 1259 00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:50.920 I spent like almost ten hours of my like fifty 1260 00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:55.480 hour playthrough on that quest by itself, completely just because 1261 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.000 I wanted to meet these girls. Know with their lives, 1262 00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:59.800 you learn so much about them and what they do. 1263 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.000 It's so good. So Planscape Torment's the game I played 1264 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:05.840 this year that's not from this year that I think 1265 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.079 was like, I like, I can imagine myself if I 1266 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.000 had played it when it came out on PC that 1267 00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:14.400 it could have been like, yeah, easily fucking like when 1268 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:19.480 my favorite games. Yeah, it's definitely esoteric su and of 1269 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:22.800 its time for sure, that CRPG world, but I think 1270 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.199 it's running on the same engine as like Balder's Gate, 1271 00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:27.840 the Infinity yea, the Infinity Engine all that. So if 1272 00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:31.280 you're able tolerate that, you can tolerate this. The other 1273 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.079 answer would be frost Punk Oh yeah, yeah. So I 1274 00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:36.920 played Frostpunk one for the first time this year, and 1275 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.039 I fucking became obsessed with it, and I like rejuvenated 1276 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.440 my my love of RTS, of the RTS genre so 1277 00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.280 much so that I end up reviewing the second game. 1278 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.519 But yeah, so those are the two and then the 1279 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.079 last one of Shadow Run for the Superintendent Hell okay, 1280 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.039 in which I started playing I should check that out 1281 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:58.320 last week. For literally no fucking reason. I like going 1282 00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:02.840 through my an Bernick retro handheld and I just was 1283 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:05.199 like going through I didn't have a lot of superintend 1284 00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:07.039 games growing up, and I was just like going through them, 1285 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.719 and I clicked on Shadow Run. I think I even 1286 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.119 looked up a list like, oh, best Super n S games, 1287 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:13.639 and the Shadow Run was like on that list. I 1288 00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:15.039 was like, what the fuck is this? If you want 1289 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:18.639 to talk about like CRPGs, it's like CRPG Light for 1290 00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:20.880 the Super Nintendo. But like honed in and narrowed down 1291 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:22.800 in a way that's like I don't think I've ever 1292 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:27.920 really seen done as streamlines since, and it hits all 1293 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:32.480 the right fucking stereotypical CRPG like wake up, I don't 1294 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:34.800 know who you are, Like, work your way through. 1295 00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.159 I feel like I love of the Year. 1296 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:39.960 I get very close to just like going all in 1297 00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:41.599 on shadow On, Like I have all of them on 1298 00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:43.079 Steam and everyone's like, yeah, these. 1299 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:46.960 Games are so good and played one. The only one 1300 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.159 I've played was the Xbox three sixty multiplayer one. 1301 00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.199 I'm not gonna lie. I kind of liked that. I 1302 00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:52.599 like that. 1303 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:54.039 I like the hell out of that. 1304 00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:59.559 Now people, I understand now why people didn't cool ideas. 1305 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:03.360 But you got a sword. It's fucking sick man. 1306 01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.960 Knowing nothing about Shadow Run and picking that up like sick. 1307 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:08.599 I want to play the I've always wanted to play 1308 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.679 the new ones, but I was just a little not 1309 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:12.800 like turned off. I turn based combat. It's just it's 1310 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:14.519 never at the right time in the movie. 1311 01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.159 I think all three of them are great, but if 1312 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:21.159 you had to pick one, I would say shadow Fall Dragonfall, 1313 01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:22.400 which is the second one. 1314 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.239 Yeah, shadow Fall is the kill zone game. 1315 01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:25.840 Then shadow Fall. 1316 01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:29.440 I think it's Dragonfall, dragona Dragon. There's like shadow Fall, 1317 01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:33.360 and then there's like no Jesus Christ, shadow Run. There's Dragonfall, 1318 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:34.400 and then there's like Hong Kong. 1319 01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:38.119 Yes, yeah, there's there's just Shadow Run Returns, and then 1320 01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.119 there's the Dragon Fall, and then there's Hong Kong. 1321 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:40.360 Yeah. 1322 01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:44.320 They're all good, but I think, uh, Dragonfall was my 1323 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:47.800 personal favorite of the three. But Returns is cool because 1324 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:51.280 it actually has a bunch of characters and nods from 1325 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:52.400 the SNAs version. 1326 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.440 Yeah, I mean, the the SNAs version is very like, 1327 01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.440 very quirky, but also like it's very cool to play 1328 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.719 a game on the Superintendent from the era that has 1329 01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:06.800 like I don't just like is as text heavy and 1330 01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:09.360 as conversation heavy as it was. Like of course he 1331 01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:11.760 had RPGs and I a fuck ton of JRPGs on 1332 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:13.480 that console, but this one it just, I don't know, 1333 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.360 it was like really inventive and cool to play a 1334 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.079 game like today having the context of where CRPGs have 1335 01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:22.239 gone in terms of like Discolsium and you know, Bowlers, 1336 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:23.880 Gay three and all that jazz, and then play this 1337 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:25.760 on the SNASTS and you're like, holy shit, Like they 1338 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:29.320 had this down back then. Also, like there's a mysterious 1339 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.159 dog and that's what I'm going to say in that 1340 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:33.960 in that first game, and then there's one for the 1341 01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:37.400 Sake of Genesis, which is a much more open ended game, 1342 01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:39.960 but not I didn't. I'm not liking it as much. 1343 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:43.920 I'm playing both at the same time. Anyways, that's my answer. 1344 01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:46.960 My answer is Planescape Torment, Planescape Torment. I want to 1345 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:48.679 fucking talk to everyone about Planescape Torment. 1346 01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:53.360 Hell, yeah, I have a couple. I wouldn't necessarily say 1347 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:56.840 I enjoyed the game, but I enjoyed the experience of 1348 01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:01.360 finally playing it, which was Residaval Code Veronica. Uh, the 1349 01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:04.280 last game I had never played. 1350 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:06.519 Do you play this early in the year right? 1351 01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:06.639 Oh? 1352 01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:08.400 Yeah, Like it was like the first thing I remember 1353 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:12.199 being like buckle up. I mean I've talked about on 1354 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:14.519 the podcast, but like, boy, that game is like the 1355 01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:16.880 original sin to all of Resident Evals. 1356 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:20.840 Bullshit, Oh it is. It is like the seed for 1357 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:22.639 what it becomes. 1358 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:26.320 Yeah, Like like like five is like a direct sequel 1359 01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:29.800 to that game in many ways, it's like and then 1360 01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:30.320 six is. 1361 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.159 Yeah, the game is bad. 1362 01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:35.599 It's not a good game, but I was very glad 1363 01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:38.159 to finally have like been like and I can now 1364 01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:39.480 say I have played it. 1365 01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:42.880 I think half that game is good. There are good elements. 1366 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:44.760 I think half the game is really good, and then 1367 01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:47.119 the other it's got some Basically, there's like a boss 1368 01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:50.559 fight on where it's like it's like if like you 1369 01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:53.239 can soft lock yourself in that boss fight, yes, one, yes, 1370 01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.199 but I took a lot of effort to make sure 1371 01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:56.880 I didn't. I had to replay it. I had to 1372 01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:58.639 like start from the beginning because I didn't. I didn't 1373 01:02:58.639 --> 01:02:59.920 know that was a thing, so that I got to 1374 01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:02.559 also is like I literally can't do this, Like I'm funcked, 1375 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:03.760 Like there's no way. 1376 01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:08.000 So yeah, yeah, yeah, and then that game story is. 1377 01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:13.920 Hot, garbage doesn't age well, no, no idea. They're gonna 1378 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.400 handle the worst of all the resid evils. 1379 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:20.360 Probably there's like parts of it for how stupid it 1380 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.920 is that I like, but yeah, nor that it simply 1381 01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:28.480 is yes, wrong, It's like how they handle it is bad. 1382 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:35.559 Yeah. Though Homebody, which I've also talked about the podcast 1383 01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:36.360 that came out I. 1384 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:37.400 Think last year. 1385 01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:41.679 Yeah, but that is a cool horror puzzle game that 1386 01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:44.440 is like stuck with me that I still think you 1387 01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:45.000 should play it. 1388 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:47.519 I haven't played it. Have you you played it? What 1389 01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:50.239 do you think of it? I don't thought it was okay, okay, 1390 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:51.840 I thought I thought it was I thought conception it 1391 01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:55.360 was really cool. I really liked it aesthetically. You know 1392 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.280 this about me, sure, But I have trouble with young people. 1393 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:00.920 You do. I have a really I knew that was 1394 01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:03.440 gonna be because it's a game about young kidle's and 1395 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:05.599 I and that is always the toughest part where it's like, 1396 01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:08.079 I really because it's funny, because like twenty Century Kid 1397 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:09.559 is the opposite where it's like that's about like a 1398 01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:12.119 nine year old or something, and I fucking love playing 1399 01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:14.840 exact kid. But second they turn thirteen year like the 1400 01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:17.239 mom they become a teenager and be like, I fucking 1401 01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:18.960 don't want to deal with your ship. I've been. 1402 01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:21.360 I mean that is yes, that game is very much 1403 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:22.079 about that. 1404 01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:24.719 So Homebody is like I think conceptually and like aesthetically 1405 01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:26.800 is really cool and like mechanically is really cool. But 1406 01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:29.960 I did struggle with giving a ship. I can understand 1407 01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:31.519 that because because the kids. 1408 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:34.679 Obviously it hit more for me. But with that aspect, 1409 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:35.719 but I also I just thought the. 1410 01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:40.119 Whole love the game, like the and they introduced it 1411 01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:42.800 in a way that genuinely feels like you're like you 1412 01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.239 did something wrong. They do in a really clever way 1413 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:46.719 where it's like I'm like, I think I fucked this 1414 01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:47.440 game up, like one of. 1415 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.039 My yeah, yeah, and and and then like it just 1416 01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:53.519 comes together where like the like the perfect run you 1417 01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:56.639 have to do, it's like, oh, it's so satisfying. So 1418 01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:59.960 that game, I still think is incredible and more people 1419 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:00.599 should play it. 1420 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:04.280 Do not take my word for it, Go enjoy yourself. 1421 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:07.039 Well, just know that, you know, how do you feel 1422 01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:09.760 about teens and you know that kind of writing. 1423 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:11.480 If you don't like teens, don't play this game. 1424 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:13.960 There was one mark that I was going to mention 1425 01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.239 I think, but I can't remember it. So, oh, you 1426 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:20.440 know what, I just played it this weekend. 1427 01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:21.079 Oh wow. 1428 01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:24.079 I just me and Georgia were like, fuck it, what 1429 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.079 if you just play this? We've never played it before. 1430 01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:31.119 Case of the Golden Idol. Yeah, it was so good. 1431 01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:35.599 That's just a wonderful game that like did not want 1432 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.519 to stop playing. Just going through all of that, and obviously, 1433 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.440 like one turns out, I mean I already knew this 1434 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.599 about myself. I just love a good mystery. Yeah, I 1435 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.119 love I love to solving a good mystery. Any any 1436 01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.000 game where I have to solve something, I'm about it. 1437 01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:53.559 But on top of that, it was it was not 1438 01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:57.000 just solving the individual cases. It was also putting the 1439 01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.280 pieces together of like, well, this characters here and they 1440 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.320 were here, and like figuring out like the arcing overall 1441 01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.559 arcing narrative of the relationships of these people and their 1442 01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:09.880 lives and the ways intertwining with the Golden Idol. Super 1443 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:12.800 cool and fun. So like blasted through the entire game. 1444 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:16.519 Did both DLCs as well, which we just did. 1445 01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:17.719 All they're good. They're very good. 1446 01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:20.400 Could be a little hard to go back to because 1447 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.840 they do like up the difficulty, like it starts at 1448 01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.400 the same level. But it's cool because it actually they 1449 01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:31.239 both take place in the past, so it's actually about 1450 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:33.639 the origins of the Golden Idol and how and it 1451 01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:37.880 like ends where the main game begins, which is great. 1452 01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:40.199 So like do you remember the beginning of that game 1453 01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:43.679 where there's like the two characters you like get to 1454 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:44.559 learn more about them. 1455 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.480 It's really cool. I genuinely I like that. 1456 01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:52.519 And and I now have the Return of the Rise 1457 01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:54.239 of the Golden Idol. I was like, I knew it 1458 01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:56.199 was going to be a return or revenge or something. 1459 01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.519 I have that loaded up on my iPad, so when 1460 01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:02.119 I go travel work, we're gonna pull that up and 1461 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.440 solve some more murdered cases or whatever. 1462 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:07.639 I played a good amount of that game, but I 1463 01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:10.880 found it overwhelming after a while. I think, I think 1464 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:13.320 I probably needed to like go harder and like take 1465 01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.039 notes and like actually like try to get through it. 1466 01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:17.920 But I was I was having trouble by by the 1467 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:19.559 end of that game, to the point where I was like. 1468 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:21.400 I'm gonna have to step away. 1469 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:26.280 I think, yeah, that's how I felt with Oberdin. Sure, especially, Yeah, 1470 01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:28.800 that's that's one of those games I wish I like 1471 01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:32.239 could go back and replay with a notebook and really 1472 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:36.039 that's how me and Georgia play it. And yeah, but 1473 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:40.519 that game overwhelmed me quickly. And I like Live and 1474 01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:43.840 Die By like mystery fucking genre shit, So I love 1475 01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:46.639 that game. Even for me, I was like, Okay, all right, 1476 01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:51.960 not everything could be lower Lionelazer eyes how they unravel 1477 01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:54.119 his story to you, but that is also But now 1478 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.480 that you've played, you know you filled half of a 1479 01:07:56.480 --> 01:08:00.679 notebook playing louralier half of a notebook of playing another game. 1480 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:05.480 Uh, next question kind of a maybe similar, but I'll 1481 01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:07.119 give my answer to maybe you see if this jog's 1482 01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:11.920 anything different? Which is a game that people need to 1483 01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:14.840 talk about more. It's like, what's a game that you're like, 1484 01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:16.399 I didn't hear anyone fucking talk about that. 1485 01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:19.119 I know your answer. I think I do. 1486 01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:21.199 I don't have an answer, So tell me what you 1487 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:22.359 think it is and that'll be my answer. 1488 01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:24.560 Okay, is that it go on? 1489 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:25.000 What do you think? 1490 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:26.600 What do you think? I'm thinking you're thinking. 1491 01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:30.399 As I have I talked about it yet, No, not on. 1492 01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:34.159 This podcast, not this particular episode. 1493 01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:35.920 Oh you're gonna say it, and I'm gonna be like, yeah, 1494 01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:42.479 of course, I don't know Indica. Yeah I needed that. 1495 01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:45.199 I did some help there. Anyway, I can talk about 1496 01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:46.159 that in a second if you. 1497 01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:47.840 Talk no, no, no, please talk about India. 1498 01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:51.079 Uh that's actually your answer. 1499 01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:57.000 Yeah, I mean that's my answer, Thank you. I don't know. 1500 01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:00.760 I actually I feel like people did talk about it. 1501 01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:03.680 I feel like a lot of people like talked about 1502 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.720 it in the wrong way. I guess not that there's 1503 01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:07.199 a right way to talk about it. But I think 1504 01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.319 a lot of it was like, yeah, there's like a 1505 01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.640 prayer button, and like I don't. 1506 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:16.199 Know, but like people and get it, you know, or maybe. 1507 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.319 Like to be fair, it's very possible that I didn't 1508 01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:20.439 get it either, but what I got out of it 1509 01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:24.359 I found very impactful. But I also think, like, probably 1510 01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:26.159 the reason didn't come to mind is I feel like 1511 01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:28.840 the reason I enjoyed that game so much was for 1512 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:32.279 some personal reasons. Yeah, because like I went to Catholic school, 1513 01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:35.640 grew up religious, and like, I think the thing that 1514 01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.319 stood out to me was like, like, it sounds corny 1515 01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:40.520 when you say it, but like you get points that 1516 01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:43.199 aren't used for anything based on like sort of the 1517 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:48.640 uh religious rituals that you perform and like but you're 1518 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:51.960 doing it as she's sort of questioning her faith. And 1519 01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:54.560 I found that pretty interesting because like I'd still go 1520 01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:56.640 to church even though I didn't believe, you know, I 1521 01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:57.920 was no. 1522 01:09:57.800 --> 01:09:59.079 Longer invested in any of that. 1523 01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:02.119 I'd still uh, maybe not pray, but I do a 1524 01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:04.880 lot of those rituals because. 1525 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:07.680 They were ingrained from a young age, even though I 1526 01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:08.359 was kind of questioning it. 1527 01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:11.439 And I think the way that like that game sort 1528 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:14.520 of explores that side of faith. 1529 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:18.439 Is is pretty interesting. I hope more people play it. 1530 01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:20.560 I also get why, like a lot of people probably 1531 01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:22.279 didn't play it or have no interest in playing it 1532 01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:23.920 because it is like. 1533 01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:26.000 Very slow. 1534 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:30.159 There are puzzles, but the puzzles are so basic you're 1535 01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:31.800 not gonna you're not gonna have any. 1536 01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:32.720 Trouble with them. You know. 1537 01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:36.079 There's like like you have to be there, you have 1538 01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:37.800 to be invested in the premise, and if you're not, 1539 01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:40.239 I feel like that game is gonna fall flat. 1540 01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:45.920 Okay, Uh, Kurt, do you have one? Oh a game 1541 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.279 that I play this year that I wish more people talked. 1542 01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:51.760 About or just like you're like, no one, I didn't 1543 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:52.720 hear anyone talk about this? 1544 01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:54.920 What the fuck? Hmmm? I can go if you need 1545 01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:57.800 a minute. I mean the one that's coming to my 1546 01:10:57.880 --> 01:10:59.760 mind as a game I've mentioned a couple of times, 1547 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:05.159 but I am kind of like a little surprised because 1548 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:07.560 is the thometers, Like I just think that's a game 1549 01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:08.199 that like, Yeah. 1550 01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:11.319 That's that's another one that I think I didn't hear 1551 01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:13.159 You're the only one. 1552 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:17.319 Yeah, I don't think that game is amazing, but I 1553 01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:23.560 think like it was an It handled historical elements, like 1554 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:26.359 genuine historical elements and delivered them in a way that 1555 01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:28.760 was like digestible and cool, and also through the lens 1556 01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:36.159 of this the specific kind of character and handled it 1557 01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:37.840 was done. You know, it was like it was like 1558 01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:42.479 and it handles just political conflict and a war torn 1559 01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:44.720 area and in a moment in time that like felt 1560 01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:48.479 kind of irrelevant still And I don't know, And that's 1561 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:50.439 one of those games that also does a really good job, 1562 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:55.720 like speaking a Planescape Torment that like handles stories about 1563 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.039 people who are lower on the social chain and like 1564 01:11:58.199 --> 01:11:59.880 handles it, I feel like in a way that feels 1565 01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:05.079 consider it and careful and and smart. So but I 1566 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:06.880 think there's a lot of things working against that game, 1567 01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:10.319 like in terms of it being like and it's it's 1568 01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:13.920 an is it's an isometric RPG, but it's not like 1569 01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:15.680 that team of an RPG, and it's like it's an 1570 01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:17.960 isometric adventure game, and it's like the adventure is there, 1571 01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:21.399 but it's not anything to really write home about. It's 1572 01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:23.560 just it does all these things just well enough. Yeah, 1573 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:25.960 So I don't know. I would putthometers also esthetically, it's 1574 01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:28.279 just is cool. I like the like the the way 1575 01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:32.439 that like the world feels palpable in a way. 1576 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.319 I saw that game just came out on Xbox, and 1577 01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:36.239 maybe more people will get a chance to. 1578 01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:38.680 Yeah, so I feel like that game like kind of 1579 01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:43.079 flew under the radar, and uh is a really cool 1580 01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:46.840 touching point for cultural significance because of the historical stuff 1581 01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:50.039 it touches, but also folklore like actual fantasy and folklore 1582 01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:52.399 that in these cultures it just does in a way 1583 01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:55.760 that's like not like hamfested. So yeah, that would probably 1584 01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.520 be my answer. I'm just I'm like, it's a game. 1585 01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:02.600 I'm like weirdly surprised. Did it really get talked about 1586 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:05.119 at all? It feels like that's how it feels to me, 1587 01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:06.840 Like we didn't. I don't think we reviewed it, Like, 1588 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:08.680 I just don't think. I think by the time it 1589 01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:12.199 came out it was too far gone and in the 1590 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:13.920 process in which like, well we didn't get a code 1591 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:15.600 for it. I mean, I don't know if that's true, 1592 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.159 but it didn't just make it through our pipeline somehow. 1593 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:22.640 So it's just that happens. We have to prioritize what's important. Yeah, 1594 01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:25.119 it's impossible to do everything. Yeah, but that game kind 1595 01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:26.640 of came through and I played it and I was like, 1596 01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:28.840 holy fuck, like why didn't we you know, it's like, 1597 01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.039 it's too bad that this didn't get through our lens 1598 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:31.680 at the right time. 1599 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:32.960 So yeah, I agree. 1600 01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:41.840 Yeah, mine is, uh the lake House. I feel like 1601 01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:44.720 no one talked about it, and I kind of get 1602 01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:48.119 it because it's a It's a DLC a year later 1603 01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:50.960 for a game that you know, as beloved as it is, 1604 01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:55.760 didn't sell as you know, much as I'd wanted to. 1605 01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:57.319 You know, it's it's still kind of more of a 1606 01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:00.560 niche game in a lot of ways. But I think 1607 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:02.960 that DLC's so fucking good, Like, oh my god, I. 1608 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:04.000 Heard have you played it yet? 1609 01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:05.960 Ah? 1610 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:07.199 Wanting to talk? 1611 01:14:07.239 --> 01:14:08.760 I mean, I know you've played enough to at least 1612 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:11.920 know kind of where it goes. Did you get to 1613 01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:16.359 the part where there is like a like a corkboard 1614 01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:18.359 with a bunch of like notes on it. 1615 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:21.520 Oh, I think. 1616 01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:23.680 So where they're doing the different experiments. 1617 01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:27.600 Yes, they're trying to Yeah, that that speaking of something 1618 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:28.720 that's very relevant. 1619 01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:30.880 To very relevant that thing. 1620 01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:34.600 Reading that entire board is the hardest I have laughed 1621 01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:39.239 all year. It's so fucking funny. Like the writing is 1622 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.760 so on point, like it is like as a as 1623 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:45.880 a Alan Wake fan, as a control fan, and just 1624 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:48.279 as like, uh, it's like the. 1625 01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.880 Night was dark dark pulled out dark in the dark, 1626 01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:52.079 in the darkly dark dark. 1627 01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:57.119 It's fucking incredible, and like yes, and then like the 1628 01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:01.680 thing they are making fun of is like so like poignant. 1629 01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:03.880 It like to like what's happening right now. 1630 01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:06.760 With genuinely terrifying moments. 1631 01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:11.800 Yes, also like really scary. My only criticism is I 1632 01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:16.439 think the last boss fight kind of sucks. But other 1633 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:20.479 than that, I was like, this is great. This is 1634 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:23.840 a wonderful little experience and I had a fantastic time 1635 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:25.319 playing it. And Kurt, you need to play it. 1636 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:25.800 I know, I do. 1637 01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:26.680 I need to play it. 1638 01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:28.760 It's so good. 1639 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:30.319 Yeah. 1640 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:32.640 I can't believe you you disappoint your dad like that. 1641 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.520 I know, I know, I know, I may. I mean 1642 01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:39.840 there's another reality where he is actually my dad. 1643 01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:42.640 I think you'd still disappoint him. 1644 01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:46.800 And exists in a video where he had to tell 1645 01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:47.359 me he wasn't. 1646 01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:48.119 But I know the truth. 1647 01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:55.000 So before we wrap up, we talked about the beginning, 1648 01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:56.399 but I do want to at least give us an 1649 01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:59.319 opportunity to all talk a little bit if we want 1650 01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:02.359 to about our personal game of the year, which is 1651 01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:03.399 all the same games. 1652 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.880 And the Laser Eye. How did that happen? I like, 1653 01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:09.119 sometimes I think back, because. 1654 01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:10.560 It is your fault because you're the one who played it, 1655 01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:13.880 and yeah, yeah, you had told me, I probably would 1656 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:17.640 have just missed it. Speaking of games that not enough 1657 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.600 people talked about. Fucking Christ, No, not enough people talk about. 1658 01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:22.560 Every time I bring up Laura Line and the Laser 1659 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:25.199 Eye to people like no, Like when I was at 1660 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:25.760 the Game Award. 1661 01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:27.479 I mean, I said, that's your answer for games, and 1662 01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:30.720 that was also that was gonna be my answer. No, 1663 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:32.239 And then I was like, but I've like, I've talked 1664 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:34.119 about Laura Lins. 1665 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:38.319 But every time I would go to the Game Awards 1666 01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:41.159 and I would like, or I was at the Game 1667 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:43.479 Awards and you know, I'm hanging out and people are like, oh, 1668 01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:44.279 what was your game of the year. 1669 01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:45.880 I'd be like, Laura il laser and. 1670 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:47.560 They would either be like, I've never heard of it, 1671 01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:49.840 or they had heard of it but were like I 1672 01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:52.720 don't know what it is. And I was like, what 1673 01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:58.199 are we doing as a society? Our systems have failed us? 1674 01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:02.800 I mean, look, I fucking reviewed that ship. I mean, 1675 01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:05.439 did the work you did the work I did my best. 1676 01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:10.159 I talked about it non stop. I talk about I 1677 01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:13.479 like was like visiting home in upstate New York and 1678 01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:15.640 my family, who doesn't know anything about really what I'm 1679 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:17.800 doing about, like we're curious. We're like, well, Curt, what 1680 01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:19.960 do you think the game of the year will be? 1681 01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:22.079 And somebody next to me will be like Blackmith will Call, 1682 01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:23.760 and somebody else in the room was like Astrobot and 1683 01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:26.319 I was like Laura Lai and the Laser Eyes, and 1684 01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:29.800 everyone was like, so did you play the call? Dude? 1685 01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:32.840 Damn it like and it's like and then I have 1686 01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:35.159 to sit there omni. 1687 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:40.439 I know. So, I mean I think for me at 1688 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:41.920 the end of the day, the reason why that was 1689 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:43.159 my game of the Year is because it is the 1690 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:44.960 It was the only game on my list that I 1691 01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:48.239 was thinking about when I wasn't playing it to the 1692 01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:51.920 point where like it became obsessive. 1693 01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:53.880 You know, and like I don't know. 1694 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:56.399 There are definitely games like that that come around every 1695 01:17:56.399 --> 01:18:00.079 so often, and usually they are puzzle games. But like 1696 01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:04.520 the way this had like burrowed into my skull where 1697 01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:06.760 it was just like I'd be working and I'd like, 1698 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:09.199 oh my god, I think I know the answer, you know, 1699 01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:11.119 and it's like run back and try and it worked, 1700 01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:13.560 and I'm like fucking jumping up and down and I'm 1701 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:14.039 like fuck. 1702 01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:15.800 Yeah, you know, like it's it's I mean. 1703 01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:19.520 But like the opposite of that, too, is where you 1704 01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:21.600 get so far in that game where you start to 1705 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:24.960 predict the answers to the puzzles yes, and then you 1706 01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:29.279 realize that the game is has been deliberately feeding information 1707 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:31.840 to you in such a way where you're like, it's 1708 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:33.920 not like I get it now, but it's like when 1709 01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:36.760 you solve a puzzle without actually having to think about it, 1710 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:38.840 and you realize like, oh wait a minute, there's a 1711 01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.560 fucking there's a thing that's happening. There's there's a thing like. 1712 01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:43.760 You figured it out. 1713 01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:46.039 Is so brilliant where it's just like. 1714 01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:49.119 It starts out you can You're like like you get 1715 01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:52.079 there and it's like how do I know this? And 1716 01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:53.359 I'm like I do know this, though, and then you 1717 01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:54.720 go to the next one's like I know this too. 1718 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:55.359 It's got to be. 1719 01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:58.960 This, it's got to be this, and you realize information 1720 01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:01.920 you're like the entire game. Yeah, yeah, and that's where 1721 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.000 like that's where I talk about you know, like the 1722 01:19:04.039 --> 01:19:05.920 things for me when that make a game of the 1723 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:08.520 year for me is always it's like the interlocking of 1724 01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:11.840 every single thing that it's like lifting that is that 1725 01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:14.239 can only be done in the medium of games in 1726 01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:17.279 this specific medium doesn't have to change the fucking doesn't 1727 01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:18.680 have to change the game. It doesn't have to like 1728 01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:22.039 reinvent the wheel. It's like you're interlocking every concept into 1729 01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:24.600 one thing. And that game is like doesn't just do 1730 01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:27.439 it and it's puzzles and it's art. It doesn't just 1731 01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:29.359 do it and it's writing. It doesn't it's like it's 1732 01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:33.159 all it's like there's an intimacy that you kind of 1733 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:34.840 you don't need to have because I don't think that 1734 01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:36.079 the there's a game. I don't want to have a 1735 01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:38.399 gatekeeper thing. But it's like when you have this intimacy 1736 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:42.720 of like games and art and technology and you play 1737 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:46.199 this game and how they have like somehow like graced 1738 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:48.720 all of those themes so ever, like taking you by 1739 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:50.680 the hair and hammering into your face, it's like just 1740 01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:53.880 so fucking good. It's so fucking good. 1741 01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:58.159 Yeah, oh man, Like the the intentional glitches you need 1742 01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:02.039 to do like that, and it's so creepy and unsettling 1743 01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:06.359 too in a way that's just like this is how 1744 01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:08.680 I felt playing like those N sixty four games as 1745 01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:11.960 a kid, that that like they don't have the technology 1746 01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:13.960 to fully represent what they're trying to represent, but you 1747 01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:15.560 just kind of get like a rough outline of it 1748 01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:16.920 in a way that doesn't feel real. 1749 01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:19.119 That's the intimacy I'm talking about, where it's like to 1750 01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:21.680 people who have who understand the medium attack and art 1751 01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:24.159 and just have grown up with it, it uses that 1752 01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:26.279 knowledge against you, but also like in a way that 1753 01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:31.159 only you can really get and it feels like it's 1754 01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:34.760 like yeah, so when you're like debugging the games and art. 1755 01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:37.520 You find yeah, you know, there's like it's like it's 1756 01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:40.800 a game for people who play games, Yeah, game for gamers. 1757 01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:43.479 Game for gamers. In that same way that there's like 1758 01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:45.880 movies that are like this is a movie musicians music, 1759 01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:48.159 musicians music or film, you know all that. 1760 01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:50.840 I guess that is true. Yeah, It's like there are 1761 01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:53.640 definitely those bands that people like, the people who love 1762 01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:57.439 those bands are oftentimes musicians. It's like who can get 1763 01:20:57.479 --> 01:20:59.319 it and it's like, I definitely think that you're right. 1764 01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:03.079 There's definitely a bye. There's definitely a sector of film that, 1765 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:06.600 like people who really fucking love movies or have seen 1766 01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:10.000 enough movies understand why that movie is significant versus other things. 1767 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:11.640 I think you're right. It's the same thing with the 1768 01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:14.199 Warline and the Laser Eyes, where it's like, I don't want 1769 01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:15.920 to say that people who didn't like it didn't see 1770 01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:17.720 it that way, because I get it. People don't like 1771 01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:20.800 to do math, even though you need you need to 1772 01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:23.399 be that way to enjoy it. Yes, yes, I agree, 1773 01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:26.640 but it definitely it definitely has a payoff. Yeah. 1774 01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:29.039 And then of course the story it tells. 1775 01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:29.640 It's just like. 1776 01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:37.920 I forget his name, but the the the director Renzo 1777 01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:40.119 is also has some of the best lines. 1778 01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:44.199 So stupid, so stupid. I think that's that also, like. 1779 01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:49.119 Because because I feel like playing that game without context, 1780 01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:51.600 I feel like or seeing it, you might think like, oh, 1781 01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:54.479 this is kind of like up its own ass, you know, yeah, 1782 01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:59.560 but when you play it, you realize that, like it makes. 1783 01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:04.720 Yeah, yeah, he's there, he's specifically as a character. Making 1784 01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:06.439 fun of that concept. 1785 01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:08.279 On Twitter, I like posted a joke about it and 1786 01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:11.439 like the writer responded and was very much like very 1787 01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:13.319 clear that they were just having fun with that ship. 1788 01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:16.239 They just like we're gonna throw nonsense out there. Yeah, 1789 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:17.680 it's really. 1790 01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:19.640 There's also I mean, what other game did you play 1791 01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:21.840 this year where you just had a tampon an inventory 1792 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:23.560 that had no use but you're just like it was 1793 01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:26.840 just in your inventory. Like it's like or like, in 1794 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.399 order to run in the game, there's no sprint button. 1795 01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:32.199 You have to go and find an espresso machine and 1796 01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:34.479 then find an espresso machine, which then you make coffee, 1797 01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:37.119 which then gives you a small period of time which 1798 01:22:37.119 --> 01:22:38.880 you could run at the trade off that you have 1799 01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:42.039 to eventually pee and use the until you can like 1800 01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:44.640 drink more coffee and do it. It's like those things 1801 01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:48.319 that like toy and like fuck with your idea of 1802 01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:50.760 you know, game design and like your expectations of it 1803 01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:52.920 and like the smallest ways is just so good. Or 1804 01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:54.239 then you get to the point where like if you 1805 01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:55.960 have no idea what you're doing, you start to use 1806 01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:59.800 the tampon on objects. I have no idea what to do. 1807 01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:02.920 I'm just gonna put damp on. It does nothing. It's great, But. 1808 01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:05.199 I think the other thing about it too, And I 1809 01:23:05.239 --> 01:23:08.760 remember you made a Kurt Locker about like multiplayer single 1810 01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:12.159 player games, yes, and like like Zelda I think was 1811 01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:18.079 the example. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this feels like that as well, 1812 01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:20.199 because like I'd come in the next day and I'd 1813 01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:23.479 be like, I am stuck on this thing curve, Like 1814 01:23:23.479 --> 01:23:24.039 do you want to hint? 1815 01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:25.560 I was like, not yet, but. 1816 01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.840 Like minutes of playing, You're like, I'm already stuck. Yeah, 1817 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:31.640 I don't know, I can't. 1818 01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:33.439 It was very tired. I was very tired. 1819 01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:37.000 I cannot get into the mansion. I was like, yeah, 1820 01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:38.720 because I subtracted wrong. 1821 01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:41.520 There's that one fucking door, you know, the one that I. 1822 01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:48.479 Was Oh ever, yeah, yeah, I always say this every 1823 01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:52.279 single time. Now after people had played it. Now, imagine 1824 01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:55.840 reviewing that game and knowing no one who was incredible. 1825 01:23:56.399 --> 01:23:59.479 That was the nightmare that I endured. Eventually, I did 1826 01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:02.239 find people who did play it, even on the other side, 1827 01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:03.560 even they weren't helpful. 1828 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:05.239 Thank you for your service, it was. 1829 01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:08.079 And then I fucking beat it in the office. I 1830 01:24:08.079 --> 01:24:10.119 finished it in the office. I like walked out and 1831 01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:14.119 only Aaron Sampson was there. And Aaron Sampson just only 1832 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:16.319 plays the rest person shooters. I remember we'd just be like, 1833 01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:20.600 I'm a fucking god and Aaron be like, oh would 1834 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:23.159 you do? And I was like, I can't even explain it. 1835 01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:24.479 It's like I can't even got held. 1836 01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:28.119 I can't the screen just like, yeah, bags under your 1837 01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:31.600 eyes haven't left you, like got a white brutal. 1838 01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:34.359 It took that game to like me soul a coffee cup. 1839 01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:35.840 But I did it. 1840 01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:40.239 You did it, and we did it. We did we 1841 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:41.279 did it. 1842 01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:42.720 Barely twenty twenty four. 1843 01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:44.199 We barely did it. Everyone. 1844 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.960 Uh. I think that's gonna be a podcast. I did. 1845 01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:51.159 I it's a it's a shame because I originally was like, 1846 01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:52.800 we're gonna come in here, we're gonna talk about how 1847 01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:57.840 Stalker two. Oh, we're gonna talk about Jones. Oh my, 1848 01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:01.319 do you guys want to give your quick. 1849 01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:04.079 Quick little I would like to say. 1850 01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:06.079 Okay, all right, Jake, say your thing, your piece about India, 1851 01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:08.880 because we do I do what They were both in 1852 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:10.199 our top ten and I do. 1853 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:12.840 We also fought for them. We fought for that in 1854 01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:13.319 the top ten. 1855 01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:16.199 And I think we have expressed this before to each 1856 01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:19.520 other that like, what a shame that these games both 1857 01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:21.840 came out so late in the years, both of them, 1858 01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:25.439 because it was like one it felt like I was 1859 01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:27.800 like kind of waiting for like a triple A game 1860 01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:30.840 to sort of hit for me this year, and like 1861 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:34.920 triple games that are like not traditional triple not like 1862 01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:36.920 I was waiting for this year to be good because there, 1863 01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:38.920 as we mentioned, there's plenty of like indie games and 1864 01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:41.319 smaller games. That was like, absolutely keep my my attention. 1865 01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:43.880 But this was like, Oh, this is the ship I've been. 1866 01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:44.239 Waiting for you. 1867 01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:45.560 I need to hear. 1868 01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:50.359 Jakes with Indy is like, I'm a big fan of Raiders, 1869 01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:52.000 a lot of Stark, one of my favorite movies ever 1870 01:25:52.079 --> 01:25:53.840 made out like The Last Crusade a lot as well, 1871 01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:59.800 And after seeing Dial of Destiny and Crystal Skulls, I 1872 01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:02.239 was like, there's nothing less. 1873 01:26:02.039 --> 01:26:02.720 There's there's no. 1874 01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:06.079 Gas in the tank. Unfortunately, I'll just pretend those don't exist. Yeah, 1875 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:09.359 but I haven't finished Indiana. 1876 01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:10.960 Jones in the Great Circle, but playing it, I'm like, 1877 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:12.479 they fucking did it. 1878 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:15.439 We've got a good Indiana Jones story. I was so 1879 01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:18.800 nervous about Troy Baker. He's done a very good job 1880 01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:22.359 so far. Yeah, and like that's not even talk about 1881 01:26:22.399 --> 01:26:25.199 like the game design and the level design, which I 1882 01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:29.880 think is pretty spectacular in a way that doesn't surprise 1883 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:33.680 me given the nature of machine games and talent there. 1884 01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:37.760 It surprises me that it is in an Indiana Jones game, Yes, sure, 1885 01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:40.319 which I think is part of the reason why I'm 1886 01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:42.119 like head over heels with that game. 1887 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:44.279 It's all I've been thinking about. I unfortunately haven't been able. 1888 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:46.800 To play much, but like, god, I can't wait to 1889 01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:50.079 just sit down and fucking finish that game because I 1890 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:51.960 am yeah. 1891 01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:52.800 So into it. 1892 01:26:52.840 --> 01:26:55.239 And then Stalker for me, I haven't played enough of either, 1893 01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:57.000 but I'm very excited to play more Stalker. 1894 01:26:58.680 --> 01:27:00.880 Oh man, I mean I say that I was like 1895 01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:03.720 so fucking grumpy about the idea of an Indiana Jones 1896 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:05.840 game that I was like, I went on record at 1897 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:07.520 Summer Game Fest being like, I don't give a fuck. 1898 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:09.720 I don't I don't want to punch Nazis. I want 1899 01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:12.359 to fucking be bathed in their blood, like I want 1900 01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:15.359 Wolf and Sign three. But god damn, I was wrong, 1901 01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:17.880 like not like wrong, but just I'm just like because 1902 01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:20.479 I still want Wolf and Sign three. But it's insane 1903 01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:23.119 for me to say that playing even though I haven't 1904 01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:25.960 finished Indian Jones a great circle. Yet I'm already anxious 1905 01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:31.239 and excited at the prospect of getting another one, Like 1906 01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:33.399 I like feel like what they have is so good 1907 01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:36.039 that it's like this is only gonna get better and 1908 01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:39.479 like more exciting that we have. Like to me, it 1909 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:41.520 feels like the dawn of a new gaming franchise. Like 1910 01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:47.640 that's how good it feels. Yeah, and uh, I yeah, 1911 01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:49.720 I think it's I think it's spectacular. 1912 01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:54.520 Also, uh, it's just like. 1913 01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:59.000 Just scratch, I I feel like I can't say anything 1914 01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:00.760 you haven't said. Oh I was gonna say this. I 1915 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:04.199 think skill Up is right. Skill predicted that we're going 1916 01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:05.920 to be like we're gonna mention this game in twenty years, 1917 01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:08.520 and I one hundred percent agree with him genuinely, things 1918 01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:10.119 like this is going to be one of those games 1919 01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:13.119 that just like I mean Chronicles. 1920 01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:15.039 Yeah, but I think more so, which I think needs 1921 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:17.359 to happen because clearly a lot of people forgot about 1922 01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:19.039 the existence of Chronicles of Ritick. 1923 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:24.880 Like yeah, totally, because yeah, everyone's like, oh, they've never 1924 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.039 made a game like this perform like yes as machine games, 1925 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:28.199 I can't. 1926 01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.600 Yeah, I'm trying to be forgiven being like you have 1927 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:33.399 not seen machine Games make a game like this, but 1928 01:28:33.399 --> 01:28:33.800 they haven't. 1929 01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:38.359 For those who don't know, like the majority, like a 1930 01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:42.079 huge chunk of talent from Machine Games was originally from 1931 01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:44.640 Starbreeys and they all left to four Machine Games, and 1932 01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:47.720 even some people that technically didn't work at Machine Games 1933 01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:51.680 or haven't recently came back specifically to work on Indiana Jones. 1934 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:55.039 So if you look at the credits for Riddick and 1935 01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:58.000 The Darkness, which like are two of my favorite games, 1936 01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:00.279 and you look at the credits for Indiana Jones, it's 1937 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:04.520 got the exact same game designer, the director worked on it, 1938 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:09.039 like they all like were there and it has a 1939 01:29:09.159 --> 01:29:12.800 lot of that DNA from that game in in Indiana Jones, 1940 01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:15.600 but then like but also elevated, like you know, because 1941 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:18.319 like Ridick had those like little spaces where you like 1942 01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:19.960 walk around and do you side quest and talk to 1943 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:21.880 people and had stealth and it had gun play, but 1944 01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:24.239 then like Indye like takes those spaces and makes them 1945 01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:27.479 even bigger and like emphasizes like the first person combat 1946 01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:29.880 and the stealth, and like it's it's incredible. 1947 01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:32.439 It was just like a while to play in Indiana 1948 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:36.680 Jones game a licensed now I think it's tried to say, 1949 01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:38.760 like a good license game, but it's crazy to play 1950 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:42.680 an Indiana Jones game and the writing of its characters 1951 01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:46.039 and its bad eye be like so good. Yeah like that. 1952 01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:50.000 It's it's like hard to even like recount characters in 1953 01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:53.760 Indiana Jones films that were quite as memorable, like yes, 1954 01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:55.760 like memorable or as good as like it's a funny 1955 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:57.640 thing for me, like I am having a hard time 1956 01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:01.600 remembering villains and those like I like I remembering picture 1957 01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:02.680 them like I could picture them. 1958 01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:05.359 I know, like I was gonna say Raiders, I remember 1959 01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:07.279 very vid but the rest I kind of don't. 1960 01:30:07.399 --> 01:30:10.159 Yeah. But then I think about this game and the 1961 01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:13.560 antagonist of this game, and I'm more excited to see 1962 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:17.039 him on on screen and speak that I am anybody else. 1963 01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:20.399 I mean, I think that's another thing that I love 1964 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:22.960 about that game. It just machine games, is that they're 1965 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:24.960 writing is so good, and I feel like they don't 1966 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:25.319 get back. 1967 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.039 Guys are always fucking a honing they deserve. 1968 01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:29.760 I mean, like I sent you a link to a 1969 01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:34.119 podcast of a guy named Greg Miller saying he didn't 1970 01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:36.600 like the Wolfenstein games because he likes his games with 1971 01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:41.199 more narrative and characters, and that about blew my fucking 1972 01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:44.520 I was so pissed because that's what I'm talking about. Though, 1973 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:47.560 people don't think of machine games as like some of 1974 01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:51.600 the best writing in the business because they're writing. 1975 01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:55.560 Some of the most memorable gaming scenes I have ever 1976 01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:59.159 experienced come from Wolfenstein, as I wanted to like like 1977 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:02.359 just pop off in my brain and like characters that 1978 01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:04.840 I've like can like I never can really quote many 1979 01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:06.800 game characters by I think I could like see them 1980 01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:08.960 saying their lines, like even in like Wolven's then two, 1981 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:13.319 like I have a nuke in this fire like that. 1982 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.760 It's like just feeling It's like it's because it feels effortless. 1983 01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:20.199 Yes, yeah, which, like like I really like The Last 1984 01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:20.520 of Us. 1985 01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:23.560 I really like a lot of what Sony has been 1986 01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:25.680 doing with their writing, But it feels like they're trying 1987 01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:28.439 to show you, like, yeah, we've got top tier writing, 1988 01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:30.840 We're gonna have characters that you're invested in, We're gonna 1989 01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.680 have some really powerful lines that are gonna. 1990 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:36.960 Be memorable, and that's good. But like I'm tired of that, 1991 01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:38.600 and I've been tired of that for a while. 1992 01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:40.760 And then you play wolf'steg Indiana Jones, and it just 1993 01:31:41.039 --> 01:31:43.319 it feels effortless, like it doesn't feel like they're trying 1994 01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:47.399 to like tell some emotional grand story, but but they 1995 01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:48.039 do it anyway. 1996 01:31:48.039 --> 01:31:50.119 They do it anyway, even not even the cup scenes, 1997 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:53.239 like all of BJ's like intermodologue in the levels. 1998 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:56.720 There's also still like Popey, you know, there's even there's 1999 01:31:56.760 --> 01:31:59.439 even scenes with Indiana Jones in this game where it's 2000 01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:02.000 like Early has to say anything. It's like an expression 2001 01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:04.479 he makes, or like when you're walking when you're walking 2002 01:32:04.560 --> 01:32:07.159 around the Vatican, and the little details where it's like 2003 01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:09.880 you know, Dot where they call him like mister something 2004 01:32:12.880 --> 01:32:15.520 like father, like like just like those subtle things that 2005 01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:18.760 like remind you like of like where it's coming from, 2006 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:21.159 the situation you're in and the person Indiana Jones says, 2007 01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:22.000 it's yeah. 2008 01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:24.920 To that point where it's like people are thinking, like, oh, 2009 01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:27.079 is it gonna be like first person Uncharted or whatever 2010 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:28.680 or tomb Raider or something. 2011 01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:29.239 It isn't. 2012 01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:30.800 It very much isn't. But I think part of that 2013 01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:32.840 too is like Uncharted and. 2014 01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:36.880 Uh, tomb Raiders often do this thing where like the 2015 01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:39.880 protagonist has to like overtly geek out about something and 2016 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:43.439 tell you exactly what they've just found. Well, like in 2017 01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:45.760 Indiana Jones like you walk into like a tomb and 2018 01:32:45.880 --> 01:32:47.960 he looks at it and there's marking song. He's like, huh, 2019 01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:49.800 looks like some kids got a hold of that, you know, 2020 01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:50.359 Like it's. 2021 01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:52.680 Just or he mumbles through it, like in that way 2022 01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:54.920 where it's just like he'll he'll just talk to himself. 2023 01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:57.319 It doesn't feel like it's been written for the player 2024 01:32:57.399 --> 01:32:59.920 to learn something. It's just like it feels like Indie, 2025 01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:03.159 you know. And yeah, I love that about us, man, Yeah, 2026 01:33:03.279 --> 01:33:04.119 I that game is. 2027 01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:06.119 It shot up my list so fast. 2028 01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:08.079 I know, I think all of us, like we were 2029 01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:09.960 all kind of like I think. I remember after the 2030 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:11.479 preview event, I was the only one of games but 2031 01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:13.479 who played it, and I like had a hard time 2032 01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:16.159 explaining like like or like come to terms of being 2033 01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:19.199 like I think it's going to be really fucking good. 2034 01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:21.880 It was like really like hard to be like. I 2035 01:33:22.039 --> 01:33:24.159 just like I don't like And I only had like 2036 01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:25.680 an hour and a half with it at that point, 2037 01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:27.760 and I feel like I'd barely done anything other than 2038 01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:32.119 the opening Vans Vatican Stealth mission that you're forced to 2039 01:33:32.199 --> 01:33:34.199 do basically and then I only played a part of 2040 01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:35.439 Giza in the open area. 2041 01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:37.399 But yeah, but I mean yeah, it was like it 2042 01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:40.119 shot up our top ten because everyone who had played 2043 01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:42.760 it early. Yeah, Like I wasn't sure how everyone was 2044 01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:44.600 going to feel, but going in there and realizing like, 2045 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:47.199 oh no, everyone's like yep, like you know, I was 2046 01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:49.800 like Lucy tam like they were like, you know, they're 2047 01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:50.119 all like. 2048 01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:52.760 The main I think the main thing was that I 2049 01:33:52.920 --> 01:33:57.479 remember saying, was I don't think people are prepared for 2050 01:33:57.640 --> 01:33:59.279 what the kind of game this says, yeah, like and 2051 01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:03.319 like that, like for that mainstream gaming audiences. I just 2052 01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:06.239 don't know if they're like going to be ready to 2053 01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:09.279 play a game that's kind of an immersive sim lights. Yeah, 2054 01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:12.960 you don't get things like that. You don't get like 2055 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:18.119 Dishonored style games in the hands of main mainstream gamers, right, 2056 01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:20.840 who have no context of anything else other than big license. 2057 01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:23.600 I also worry about, like I don't know how well 2058 01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:24.359 that game is going. 2059 01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:27.560 To do some marketing. I've barely seen it. 2060 01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:30.560 Yeah, and like I don't know Indiana Jones is kind 2061 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:31.960 of a weird cell at this point, Like I don't 2062 01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:34.439 know how many people are excited to play that game. 2063 01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:36.960 I'm sure at the time when they got that license, 2064 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:38.520 they were like, oh, this is a shoe in. 2065 01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.680 Yeah, I mean five years ago exactly exactly. I feel 2066 01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:47.640 like my assumption would be, I think it will have 2067 01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:50.840 a long tail, and like I think it'll be one 2068 01:34:50.840 --> 01:34:52.960 of those things that people may and like it'll come 2069 01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:55.359 to PS five and will have the exact same bump, right, 2070 01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:57.039 I'll have the same exact like sort of tail, and 2071 01:34:57.079 --> 01:34:59.840 I think it'll be a thing again where people will 2072 01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:02.079 talk about it like year after year and after year, 2073 01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:04.479 and it's I think it's gonna have a long tale 2074 01:35:04.479 --> 01:35:05.640 of revenue come in. 2075 01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:09.640 But yeah, but like that happened with Prey in that studio. 2076 01:35:10.279 --> 01:35:14.640 But Pray still is not Praise still is like formed 2077 01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:21.399 on Shure an obscure license in. But it's not even 2078 01:35:22.479 --> 01:35:24.239 we know that, I know, we know that has no 2079 01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:26.119 connection to the other Prey game, but it's like still 2080 01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:28.920 has to but it still has mind share, right, yes, 2081 01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:31.399 and that's all that's I know, I know. So it's 2082 01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:33.199 like like what I'm trying to say is like it 2083 01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:36.000 still falls into a weird category where even if you 2084 01:35:36.119 --> 01:35:39.279 don't know what Prey is, if you may have. Wasn't 2085 01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:41.159 there a game called Prey that came out like the 2086 01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:43.439 Xbox three sixty or whatever the FU or Xbox back then, 2087 01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:47.239 and like, yes, it was amazing. We all hear in 2088 01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:49.680 this room love it and like people talk about it's 2089 01:35:49.680 --> 01:35:52.319 like that's for the fucking best, you know, games. 2090 01:35:52.399 --> 01:35:54.399 It has got, it has gotten its due sense, but 2091 01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:55.600 it's still like not enough. 2092 01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:56.680 No, I know that, it's not. 2093 01:35:57.119 --> 01:36:00.239 All I'm trying to say is if Xbox shut down 2094 01:36:00.319 --> 01:36:03.399 machine games, I will take a sledgehammer to my Xbox. 2095 01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:06.359 I will never fucking buy another Xbox well console again. 2096 01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:10.159 Like I mean, that's why I pull a curt. You know, 2097 01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:13.199 I have to build a PC and buy Windows. Yeah yeah, 2098 01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:16.159 I really show that by the game on PC. Yeah No, 2099 01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:18.039 I mean, but I mean for what it's worth. It's 2100 01:36:18.119 --> 01:36:20.600 like I have not my series S has not been 2101 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:23.119 turned on since they closed our GNE. It's just like 2102 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:24.239 I will do everything I can. 2103 01:36:24.600 --> 01:36:24.840 I will. 2104 01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:26.199 We all have blood on our hands. I've said it 2105 01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:28.039 a million times. It's very hard to not be able 2106 01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:29.760 to support a corporation. But I will do my best 2107 01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:32.399 to try and funnel the revenue I can in ways 2108 01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:34.800 that feel meaningful. At least to me, let Steam take 2109 01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:37.079 a cut of it. At least, yeah, let the other 2110 01:36:37.159 --> 01:36:41.560 over do something. It's like, there's so little weak, but yeah, no, 2111 01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:45.960 I agree for God's sakes. And then yeah, stccer to 2112 01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:48.239 Doccer too. We don't have to talk that much about it, 2113 01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:50.439 but it's so good. I think I put it in 2114 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:52.159 the most time out of anybody here. I think you 2115 01:36:52.319 --> 01:36:52.600 think so. 2116 01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:55.399 I've been meaning to put in more before the game 2117 01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:57.399 came out. If I knew that, I'd be like, I 2118 01:36:57.399 --> 01:36:59.039 don't know if I believe that. I played like a 2119 01:36:59.079 --> 01:37:00.960 couple hours and I was like, I think Kurt would 2120 01:37:01.039 --> 01:37:01.640 really like it. 2121 01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:04.479 It was really it was like Jake, it was like 2122 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:06.079 I was. 2123 01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:09.520 I've been following its development obviously for a while, but 2124 01:37:09.640 --> 01:37:12.960 it was those moments where I kept lating more and 2125 01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:15.680 more to also, to be honest, when I heard how 2126 01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:18.960 divisive it was. Usually that shit like is a switch 2127 01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:21.119 for me where I start to pay attention to it more, 2128 01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:25.079 because you see, when I see people meemingly dislike something 2129 01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:26.840 or veemally like it, I'm like, well, there's something here 2130 01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:29.239 that is dividing people. Yeah, and it makes me interesting 2131 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:30.760 knowing that you want to know where you're going to 2132 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:33.239 think exactly. And I fall in the camp of being like, 2133 01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:36.000 I fucking love this game. Yeah, I think it's I 2134 01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:39.640 think it's a genuine I think genuine is the right word. 2135 01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:42.279 It's like it feels like a very genuine experience of 2136 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.479 a thing that like. And I said this during deliberations 2137 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:49.960 where I it's knowing about its development doesn't have a 2138 01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:52.199 bearing on whether or not it's in our top ten 2139 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:54.039 or whether we talking about it, whether you should even 2140 01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:56.159 give a shit about it. But I am a fan. 2141 01:37:56.640 --> 01:38:00.680 I do believe like context informs art, and like the 2142 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:03.760 things in which thing is made under certain circumstances will 2143 01:38:04.159 --> 01:38:06.800 create an experience that is distinct to that thing. I 2144 01:38:06.840 --> 01:38:09.600 think it's that is what fucking art is. And I 2145 01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:12.439 think having the context of like knowing that this was 2146 01:38:12.479 --> 01:38:16.039 made by Ukrainians who also have been dealing with a 2147 01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:20.600 decade of a war torn country and dealing with Russian bullshit, 2148 01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:24.439 you it doesn't you don't. It's not like explicitly in 2149 01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:26.359 the game, but you feel it. It's like it's like 2150 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:29.199 this tangible thing that feels a part of it and 2151 01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:33.800 it's culturally interesting because it's so Ukrainian and like in 2152 01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:35.920 these very specific ways that I probably could never really 2153 01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:38.439 grasp or understand, and because of that, it left an 2154 01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:43.119 impression on me. Also, it's like I said this earlier 2155 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:45.239 in the podcast, I'm a fan of oxy Morons. It's 2156 01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:48.399 like this game that is like so dire, so dour, 2157 01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:51.119 so like you just look at it and it's just 2158 01:38:51.199 --> 01:38:53.880 like looks like it's dying. Like the game just looks 2159 01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:56.479 like it's barely holding on, and like the game itself 2160 01:38:56.600 --> 01:39:00.760 is like so like it's difficult, it's hard. It's like 2161 01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:03.439 kind of hard to understand for a while, and you're 2162 01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:05.479 going through this fucking world. But then you go back 2163 01:39:05.680 --> 01:39:07.359 to camp and you just said, these guys are like, 2164 01:39:07.640 --> 01:39:11.479 hey man, you're a real cool soccer killing guy, Like 2165 01:39:12.079 --> 01:39:14.520 I thought you killed some scumbags back in your day, 2166 01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:17.319 and it just feels so like, what fucking world are 2167 01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:17.760 you living. 2168 01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:22.199 We've mentioned oblivion a bunch I'm. 2169 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:24.239 Talking about, and I think that's so fucking perfect. 2170 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:27.000 It does have that like, man, I just got that 2171 01:39:27.239 --> 01:39:31.439 vibe about it that's just like genuine but awkward, but like, 2172 01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:32.640 oh it would. 2173 01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:35.079 It just makes it feel so much to me, like 2174 01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:36.439 that is so much more human. 2175 01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:39.920 Yes, Like like if there was more like traditionally buttoned 2176 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:41.359 up in the way you speaking. 2177 01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:41.760 Of Last of Us. 2178 01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:44.560 Last of This is when I was thinking about bringing 2179 01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:46.000 up because it was like it's. 2180 01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:48.319 Like you think about like you, you think about being 2181 01:39:48.359 --> 01:39:51.359 in a world that fucking blows, and that like the 2182 01:39:51.439 --> 01:39:54.199 world around you is dying, there's little to hold onto 2183 01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.159 you would want to like, of course it would be 2184 01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:00.640 normal for you to imagine these characters being same way. 2185 01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:04.279 They're miserable as fuck, but like in actuality, like humanity 2186 01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:06.760 through all of its bullshit is like there were troying 2187 01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:11.600 dicks on fucking like things and like you know, fucking 2188 01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:14.000 thousands of years ago, there's like there is still levity 2189 01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:17.359 and humanity to be found in like goofiness and like turmoil, 2190 01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:20.399 and like also comedy is formed on things that you're 2191 01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:22.319 allowed to make fun of because you're experiencing it. So 2192 01:40:22.399 --> 01:40:24.880 I feel like playing a game like Stalker two is 2193 01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:27.520 like the antithesis of a game like The Last of Us, 2194 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:29.600 where it's so where it's depressing the look at and 2195 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.279 it's depressing to be to live in. Stalker two gives 2196 01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:33.840 me like the weirdest amount of like no, I want 2197 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:37.279 to go like fuck up other Stalkers, kill these fucking mutants, 2198 01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:38.680 so then I can go hunt dogs with the guy 2199 01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:40.319 who's gonna tell me the worst jokes I've ever heard 2200 01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:44.119 life because it feel normal. Oh no, no jokes. I 2201 01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:45.920 listened to them again recently and I was like, I 2202 01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:48.680 don't understand any of these at all. 2203 01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:53.720 I maybe I'll say it for the end, but I 2204 01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:57.000 do kind of want to tease the project we've been 2205 01:40:57.039 --> 01:40:59.680 working on for sure time, because we've been sitting on 2206 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:00.359 it for a while. 2207 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:02.199 How you do it now? And we'll wrap this up 2208 01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:04.319 then to kind of go back to what Kurt. 2209 01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:08.319 Was saying about how like culture influences art, you know, 2210 01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:12.319 and there is you see that in Stalker back in 2211 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:12.760 what was. 2212 01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:14.119 It aug October? 2213 01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:15.520 When when it came out? 2214 01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:16.600 No, no, no, when did we go? 2215 01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:21.640 Oh frog, like September, September. 2216 01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:25.760 In September September, we have like one more game spot 2217 01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:28.359 insider documentary and it is about Stalker's about some of 2218 01:41:28.399 --> 01:41:32.760 the developers who evacuated Ukraine right before the full scale 2219 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:36.720 invasion in u It was February twenty twenty two and 2220 01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:38.920 we interviewed a bunch of developers. We were putting that 2221 01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:42.560 together and we're hoping to get it out next year 2222 01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:44.880 or the next year, early next year. A lot of 2223 01:41:44.920 --> 01:41:45.960 work has already gone into this. 2224 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:48.039 Now it's on a record, so we have to find 2225 01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:50.439 that no reason. It's like I need to just say 2226 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:51.279 it because. 2227 01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:57.600 Like, yeah, it very proud of what we have so far, 2228 01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:01.800 excited to share it. Yeah, that's a that's a Game 2229 01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:02.960 Spot after Dark exclusive. 2230 01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:07.279 Yeah, I'm looking forward to having that one tomb. But 2231 01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:10.760 also I'm like I wanted I'm not going to put 2232 01:42:10.760 --> 01:42:13.640 it out half baked now. It feels it feels too 2233 01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:19.000 important for that. Thank you everyone for listening Game Spot 2234 01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:21.720 after Dark, not just this episode, but every episode we've done. 2235 01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:24.920 It's been a very rocky year for us, as I'm 2236 01:42:24.920 --> 01:42:27.720 sure it has for a lot of people. It's been 2237 01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:30.159 a year, twenty twenty four. It has been a year, 2238 01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:33.159 and I'm sure twenty twenty five will continue to also 2239 01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:33.840 be a year. 2240 01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:38.000 But hopefully there will be some levity, there will be 2241 01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:41.720 some joke. Hey man, yo, real cool Game Spot after 2242 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:43.119 a Dark podcast. Guy. 2243 01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:48.159 So thank you everyone for listening, and thank you too 2244 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:51.560 for being on, especially you Kurt, because you're the you're 2245 01:42:51.720 --> 01:42:54.079 you were all like, I'm mister grumba won't be on 2246 01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:56.319 a podcast. And then I said, Kurt, I'm gonna have 2247 01:42:56.359 --> 01:42:57.560 you on the podcast for you. 2248 01:42:58.239 --> 01:42:59.680 Thank you. That means a lot to me. 2249 01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:03.600 You can go fuck himself enough, all right, everybody, thank 2250 01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:06.600 you for listening, and we will see you all next year.