1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm afraid Joe Rogan is choosing the wide road of 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:10,400 almost Christianity. That's like being almost alive. And the wide 3 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:15,919 road takes many forms. Because the road to salvation is 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:22,039 narrow but clear, the wide roads is wide and ambiguous. 5 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:25,280 And if you're Joe Rogan is choosing that wide road 6 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:29,199 to almost Christianity, which is to be almost saved, which 7 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:32,840 is to not be saved. And I want to give 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:38,240 an example of how the wide road has manifested, and 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,799 this is to illustrate absurdity by showing absurdity. And then 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,479 we'll get into this interview that Joe has done with 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:50,359 the Great Hope of Democrats. A Presbyterian Christian named Representative 12 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:55,320 James tallerco friend of mine Ben turned me onto this interview. 13 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,119 We'll talk about this with the help of Know Your 14 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:01,119 Risk podcast dot com. That's Zach Braham's group of Bulwark, 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,519 and of course, to the great auspices of God Almighty 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,480 and Lord help me focus on this. 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one percent disapproved by big 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:20,480 pharma technocrats in tyrants everywhere from the high mountains of 19 00:01:20,599 --> 00:01:28,959 Free America. Here's the Emerald City EXI Todd Herman. 20 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,239 Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made in. These 21 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,959 are the times to which God has decided where shall live. 22 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,079 So the wide roads, this is the path that leads 23 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,879 to destruction. And we're warned about the wide road. I mean, 24 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:47,079 you can take the wide road at the widest point, 25 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,400 which is satanism. Do as that will. That is the 26 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,799 entire law. And that's about as wide a road as 27 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:59,799 it gets. Now, for public relations purposes later they have 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:06,040 they've added, do is that will harm no one? Well, 29 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:09,800 if you are practicing Satanism, you're harming everyone you love 30 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,319 and everyone around you and yourself, and you would be 31 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:15,680 practicing the lies and coveting as if to get good 32 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,080 at it. That is practicing sin as if it's your 33 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:24,319 professional sports. No repentance, no correction, no allowing the Holy 34 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,599 Spirit to correct, because you can't have the Holy Spirit. 35 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,360 So that's about as wide a road as it gets. 36 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,319 But the wide road can be typified by people who 37 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,360 have joined a movement for any emotional reason, and perhaps 38 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,759 even they think that they've come to some cognitively supportable 39 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,039 reason for joining this. So take for instance, people who 40 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,759 demonstrate on behalf of what would you say, supporting same 41 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,360 sex activity, same sex attraction supporting the lies of transgenderism. 42 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:05,039 For a lot of times, it's family. You know, my 43 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:08,159 kid is this, my brother's this. Therefore I have to 44 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:11,919 support this. And I'll make the point again. You don't 45 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,520 see pro adultery rallies, you don't see por pro fornication rallies. 46 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:20,520 You are not seeing a ton of rallies in favor 47 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,319 of people having their limbs cut off, people who have 48 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,479 body integrity disorder, which is another form of body dysmorphia, 49 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,319 and true gender dysphoria is that it's body dysmorphia taken 50 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,360 to a sexual level. And we don't need to spend 51 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,520 time here talking about the endgame of transhumitism. We've done 52 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,159 that in other shows. So people go into that one issue, 53 00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:44,919 let's say that they call it gay rights, and then 54 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:52,840 they are on this wide road and suddenly, imagine if 55 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,840 you went to someone who said, you know what, I'm 56 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,599 going to put a a so called gay pridebow on 57 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,919 my car because I've learned that my best friend from 58 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,319 college is a same sex attractive man and I'm going 59 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,199 to support him, and they do that, and imagine if 60 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:13,759 you stood there and you said, Okay, in ten years, 61 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,959 you're going to be marching through the streets of Portland 62 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:27,160 announcing that you hate cops because this has happened in Portland. 63 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,680 Bottoms tops, we all hate cops. So for those who 64 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,120 have been blessed with non familiarity in terms of bottoms 65 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,480 and tops, you can just stay there or you can guess, 66 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,360 and you're probably guessing correctly. So that same rally had 67 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:53,199 people chanting from the river to the sea, Gaza will 68 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,879 be free for Ukraine, for immigrant rights, and it's at 69 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:06,279 a pride festival. Pride itself is part of the wide 70 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:13,639 road because God abhors human pride in all forms, because 71 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,639 what exactly do we have to be proud of. We're 72 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,879 proud of our bodies. Try having a body without God. 73 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,800 You're proud of your wealth, Try earning it without the 74 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,920 oxygen he gave you, or the life he gave you, 75 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,639 or the life sustaining gravity he provides. Try it. It's hard. 76 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:46,560 Most people have never done it. So Joe Rogan takes 77 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,439 this guy in and hey, he's a good speaker, he's 78 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:53,720 a young guy. And Joe Rogan said during the interview, man, 79 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,199 you should run for president. And of course, now the 80 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:01,040 left is very excited because hey, this is a so 81 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,000 called moderate, and maybe this guy can bring sense to 82 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,199 the Republicans. And I'll show you this in a seconds. 83 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,600 And hey, it's good business for this guy, smart, really 84 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:14,399 good business going. And whoever book's Broken's guests, this is 85 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:17,360 a smart move. And it also can I think, bring 86 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:19,519 new people to Rogan because the Left has been taught 87 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,879 to hate Joe Rogan and his entire business structure. Now 88 00:06:23,879 --> 00:06:26,079 you don't have to be hated as a business owner 89 00:06:26,199 --> 00:06:28,519 to find yourself at risk. You can just have made 90 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:33,319 a mistake. For instance, if you own a company that say, 91 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,680 rent boats, and someone goes and has an acxit in 92 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,079 your boat or a fire starts, they can sue you 93 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,720 and take your house and your bank accounts and your 94 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,959 retirement accounts. But you're probably saying, no, no, no, they can't, No, 95 00:06:48,079 --> 00:06:50,399 they can't. That's why I set up an LLC in 96 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:52,600 a corporation. You know what you're talking about. Can I 97 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,240 ask you to go check your formation papers and okay, 98 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,399 your lawyer set it up. Great, your lawyer and your 99 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:04,040 tax accountants. I know people who run businesses whose lawyers 100 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,279 and tax accountants set that up too. In fact, a 101 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,480 lawyer set up my LLC. But my LLLLC was completely 102 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:16,439 dependent upon my social Security number, meaning my company was me. 103 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,000 So please go check your formation work and see if 104 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,800 your social Security number appeers on that that's not corporate credit. 105 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:27,639 Bisible can fix this for you and will in seven 106 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:31,079 easy steps. Go to their website is go bisible with 107 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,040 a Z go bisible dot com. Seven easy steps they'll 108 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,439 get you on the path to having actual corporate credit. 109 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,519 You'll do some things in their website. They'll run you 110 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:40,800 through that. It's super easy. But know this, after the 111 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:43,519 free now obligation consultation, make sure you're ready to move 112 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,519 because I guarantee go bisible we'll be ready to get 113 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,240 you going. Website is gobisible dot com. This is the 114 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,040 Presbyterian Take State Texas Rep. James tell Ricom and he's 115 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,000 talking here with Joe Rogan. And Rogan is a guy, 116 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,360 and praise God, Rogan is starting to investigate Christianity and 117 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:04,839 I've heard he's going to church and he's certainly curious 118 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:08,319 about it, which Praise God Almighty. But this is such 119 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,680 a crucial time for Rogan. And because it's Rogan, I mean, yeah, 120 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,600 I care about Rogan's I care about his eternity because 121 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,439 I'm told to, and he's a neighbor. Where to love 122 00:08:19,439 --> 00:08:22,519 our neighbors as ourselves. Love God with all our entire 123 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:24,920 heart and mind, soul and strength. Love the Lord. That way, 124 00:08:25,199 --> 00:08:27,600 love our neighbors is ourselves. So yes, I love Rogan. 125 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,639 I want him to be saved. I wouldn't be talking 126 00:08:31,639 --> 00:08:34,879 about this if Rogan didn't have millions and millions and 127 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:39,879 millions of young men watching his progress. So where Rogan 128 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,960 lands on this road, if it's the wide road of 129 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,480 almost Christianity meaning almost saved meaning not saved meaning going 130 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,720 to Hell, then that's going to take a lot of 131 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:57,039 people with them. But if Rogan comes to understand the 132 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:03,360 narrow road and that the Lord has warned us that 133 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,960 the road to salvation is narrow, the path to salvation 134 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,399 is narrow, then he has a great shot at making 135 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,000 it into heaven by truly accepting Lord Jesus crisis as 136 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,320 a lord and saved and are going to be changed 137 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,679 by him. And people could say, we wait a minute, 138 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,639 Wait a minute, wait a minute. If he doesn't accept 139 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,120 your version of Jesus, he's not saved. No, I have 140 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:28,360 no version of Jesus. See the path that's narrow is 141 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,559 still a path, and the path that's narrow is documented 142 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:39,039 in the Bible. The wide road of almost Christianity does 143 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,120 everything it can to erase portions of the Bible, or 144 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:45,759 to pretend they don't exist, or to modify them out 145 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:49,159 of their meanings. And I would think that Rogan knows this, 146 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,320 I mean, at least could think about this. You know, 147 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,840 he's become a guess, a pretty decent fighter, certainly jacked 148 00:09:55,879 --> 00:09:59,200 in great shape, particularly for a guy his age. I 149 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,399 think he's pretty aware of how many times a professional 150 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:08,639 fighter would practice a turn kick or a donkey sweep 151 00:10:08,879 --> 00:10:11,000 or something as simple as a single legg take down, 152 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:14,519 something like that. They're practice delivering a good, solid punch 153 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,720 from the hip, even if it's just a right hook something. Practice, practice, practice, 154 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,039 Because the road to victory, or the path to victory 155 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,559 in some of these fights is, if a close fight, 156 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,320 it's a very narrow path. You have a narrow path 157 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,519 to victory against a good opponent. And if you're fighting 158 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:38,200 someone with equally good physical skills, equally good cardiovascar or recovery, balance, strength, 159 00:10:38,279 --> 00:10:41,759 power generation, speed, accuracy, all of that, and you're well 160 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:44,240 matching those things, you have a narrow path to victory. 161 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:49,080 It might only be your mind. So I would think 162 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,399 you would understand this because eternal victory requires walking this 163 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:56,960 narrow path. So James Talerco gets on Joe Rogan and 164 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,320 he begins with an open and a statements. Here he 165 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,679 gets into talking, by the way, about same sex attraction 166 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,519 and abortion, etc. 167 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:10,039 Speaker 3: So I get suspicious when anybody, whether it's a televangelist 168 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,519 or a politician, tells me that something is central to 169 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:15,519 my faith, When Jesus never talks about it to me, 170 00:11:15,879 --> 00:11:19,759 that should I think ring alarm bells as to what 171 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,919 is the agenda here? What is someone trying to get across? 172 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:27,279 And I think we're looking at the last forty fifty years. 173 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,759 The religious right has made a concerted effort to make 174 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:36,000 homosexuality and abortion the two biggest issues for Christians. And 175 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,679 you know, the Southern Baptist Convention was pro choice until 176 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,519 the late nineteen seventies. So this idea that to be 177 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,480 a Christian means you have to be anti gay and 178 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:51,279 anti abortion, there really is no historical, theological, biblical basis 179 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:52,039 for that opinion. 180 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a very sad statement. Jesus lived his life 181 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,879 as a man growing up reading much of the Old Testament. Okay, 182 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:12,200 everything we've seen he saw. He did come with the 183 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:18,559 New Covenant, but he did not come to erase the law. 184 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,440 He came to fulfill it. He was the only human 185 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,159 being to fulfill the law fully, god fully human, but 186 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:33,120 he did not come to erase it. The Old Testament 187 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:44,759 warns against same sex activity, fornication, adultery, sexual prostitution, sexual 188 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:50,080 use of children. It warns against the ritual murder of children, 189 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,840 which happened in pagan societies. It warns against murder, which 190 00:12:55,879 --> 00:13:00,120 is the taking of an innocent life. It has very 191 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:05,960 strong prohibitions against that. It warns against adultery. It defines marriage. 192 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,799 The Jewish people were told you're not going to have 193 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:12,480 multiple wives. And I know King David sinned in that. 194 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,399 So did Solomon. There's the whole debate as to whether 195 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:23,080 Solomon's even saved. And when Jesus came, he re affirms 196 00:13:23,879 --> 00:13:29,000 these things. That is why therefore a man leaves his 197 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,519 family and clings to his wife. Jesus did not say 198 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:35,720 therefore a person leaves his family and clings to his 199 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:41,279 marriage partner. There is no model for the acceptance of 200 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,799 that in Christian society, nor is there any model for 201 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,759 the acceptance of adultery or fornication Christian society. Now that's 202 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:55,519 changed because people want the path to be a road. 203 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:58,000 They want the road to be a field. They want 204 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,799 the field to be wherever you want to walk. And 205 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,519 it's always done on the basis of human sexual desire, 206 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,120 always because it's something that ninety nine percent of people share. 207 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,759 And sexual pleasure is pretty easy to get. You go 208 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:19,039 into a room alone, open up your phone or your laptop, 209 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,559 and boom, you got yourself some sexual pleasure, very easy 210 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,840 to get. You don't have to go see a drug dealer, 211 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,879 you don't even need a computer screen. Frankly, pretty easy 212 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:36,320 to get. So Satan uses this and it's also been 213 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,200 commingled with love, and this has been a very very 214 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,840 brilliant thing that love is love. Lie, No, it's not. 215 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:48,240 They're very distinct types of love, and the Bible discusses those. 216 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:51,360 So Talerico is doing what the Left needs to do, 217 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,759 which is to once again go back and make the 218 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:59,000 road very very wide. Was the Southern Baptist Convention pro 219 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,759 choice the seventies, Yeah, so were they pro murder? Well, 220 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,960 let's just think about what murder means the taking of 221 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,440 an innocent life. What was the first murder in the Bible? 222 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:20,360 Cain and Abel? What drove that jealousy? One brother jealous 223 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:23,639 over the other brother because the other brother was able 224 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:27,679 to give a gift that God honored, and one brother 225 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,519 didn't have a gift that God could honor because he 226 00:15:29,559 --> 00:15:32,559 didn't want to give up what he had. So he 227 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:36,399 became jealous and rage field he killed his brother. God 228 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,159 saw it to me, He said, the very earth crawls 229 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,840 out because of this blood. You shall not murder. So 230 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:45,279 let's define murder the taking the life of an innocent person. 231 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,440 Find me a more innocent person than a baby in 232 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,879 a womb. I mean a baby in a womb cannot 233 00:15:56,879 --> 00:16:01,679 conceive of theft because the baby in the womb can 234 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:06,240 conceive of nothing other than the womb. The baby in 235 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:12,600 the womb cannot conceive of coveting, covet what. My existence 236 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:16,200 is an ambionic fluid with muted sounds of my mother 237 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,480 and father's voices, and occasionally that's from other people. Sin, 238 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:28,440 Sexual sin impossible. The child cannot conceive of it. Striking 239 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,799 a neighbor in the cheek acts of violence, speaking back 240 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:38,960 against their parents not honoring God can't conceive of it. 241 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,440 So the most innocent of life form, which is why 242 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,879 the Left has done a real hard work trying to 243 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:49,080 make it seem that it's a great mystery as to 244 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:54,799 when life begins, huge mystery, which is answerable pretty easily. 245 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,519 Show me a human being who came about without conception, 246 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:07,319 Show that to me. Test to baby right conceived outside 247 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:13,640 the womb, still conceived, When did life begin? Well? Has 248 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,160 life ever begun without conception? 249 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: No? 250 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,559 Speaker 1: So Rogan is, i think, excitedly leading into this stuff, 251 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,880 and therefore I'm very concerned that so are the young 252 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,160 men who watch Joe Rogan, because there is a massive 253 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,680 influx of young men going into Orthodox Christianity, going into 254 00:17:34,839 --> 00:17:39,640 even Orthodox churches, gre Orthodox Catholic churches, because they're seeking 255 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,240 the structure. Because many young men have become aware that 256 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:46,079 there is no structure, that men are derided, and that 257 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,160 they know that they have some role. They can sense 258 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,200 that they have some role, and God gave men the 259 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:56,160 role of leading the family spiritually. So I'm concerned not 260 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,200 just about Rogan, but obviously the young men who watch Rogan. 261 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,880 So we'll conceee with this conversation because it should concern 262 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,440 all of us. Frankly, and Rogan has a huge footprint. 263 00:18:05,559 --> 00:18:09,559 We don't have the same footprint. And still we are 264 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,920 very very blessed God has blessed this program with revenue 265 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,640 partnerships and distribution partnerships and two national radio shows. It's 266 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,720 been an incredible blessing. Very very early on, some of 267 00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:23,359 my core partners who helped us start this thing, we 268 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,039 agreed that we would always leave room for companies in 269 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:28,599 developmental stages, and two of them have been our long, 270 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,720 long term partners. Alan Soaps is one of those partners. 271 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,960 So Alan Soaps cannot spend what other companies spend to 272 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,440 be on this air, first of all because soap is 273 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,559 a low margin business, and secondly because their mission is 274 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:44,400 to remain an artists and soap company. Gook. Look John, 275 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,000 who runs a company he had all the time, all 276 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,319 the chances in the world to sell out. Amazon offered 277 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:53,960 to buy Allen's and furthermore, to take over the creation 278 00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:56,240 of the soap and to pay him a stipend and 279 00:18:56,319 --> 00:18:59,440 basically say you can become the Allen's Foundation. You can 280 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,200 have this free or tax deferred, tax light money. And 281 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:05,000 John said, no, you don't get it. This is about 282 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,839 my son having a place to work and people like 283 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,160 him having a place to work, people who are very 284 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:12,680 very impacted by autism and structural health challenges. The company 285 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,319 has a mission, and we don't want you taking of 286 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,319 our soap and make Agan in China. 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Go to Alan Soaps dot 297 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,839 com slash todd you get ten percent off all their products. 298 00:19:44,839 --> 00:19:49,240 That that's Alan Soaps dot com slash todd. So Rogan, 299 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:54,039 now I think intrigued, begins to talk to this young man, 300 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,759 this tallerco who Rogan says should run for presidents, and 301 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:01,440 they have a discussion about abortion. Well, when was abortion 302 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,519 even invented. 303 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 3: Well, there was certainly abortions in the ancient world. There 304 00:20:05,599 --> 00:20:09,880 there's well, there's some there's and again I haven't stated 305 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,799 this enough to say this definitively, but there are interpretations 306 00:20:13,839 --> 00:20:17,799 of certain passages from the Torah where some folks will 307 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:21,440 even say that there is a there is some subtle 308 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:25,000 instructions for how to perform an abortion in the ancient world, 309 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:29,000 certain things to drink, things like that. The point is 310 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:33,480 that this idea that there is a set Christian orthodoxy 311 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:37,039 on the issue of abortion is just not rooted in scripture. 312 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,400 We can have an honest debate about it. If Pote Francis, 313 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:42,200 you know, were to come back and sit at this 314 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,160 table and tell me, you know, James, I'm pro life 315 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,119 and anti abortion. Here's my theological argument. I am here 316 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,640 to listen and respect that opinion I have. I have 317 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:55,839 dear friends who who are anti abortion. All I'm asking 318 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,079 is that for Christians who are pro choice and who 319 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,960 respect bodily autonomy of women, that we be given the 320 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,480 space to make our theological argument, because I think there 321 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:09,519 is a lot of biblical evidence to support that opinion. 322 00:21:09,839 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: Great, let's have the theological discussion now. On that front, 323 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,160 he comes across as very reasonable. And this is one 324 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,920 of the reasons I think Rogan liked him, because he's 325 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,680 not flamethrowing, he doesn't speak the language of hatred. He 326 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,839 doesn't seem to be a hatefield man. What a relief? 327 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,480 And I guess I would just ask him, what is 328 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:35,759 a baby? Let's start at the very beginning, there's a 329 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:42,240 baby in the womb. Theologically, with great easy biblical support, 330 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:48,079 Who made that baby? Who knit the baby together in 331 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,359 the womb? Who counted every hair in the baby's head? 332 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,720 Let's start there. Theologically, we know the Bible is very 333 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,400 clear in this God did that? In Whose image? Is 334 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:07,559 that child made God's? Does God love that child? Yes? 335 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,440 Does God want that child to be in the New 336 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,640 Heaven and the New Earth with him? Yes, That's why 337 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,680 he sent his son Jesus Christ to die and the 338 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,599 cross as a propitiation for our sins, not just the 339 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,640 sins past, but for every sin that will ever be committed. 340 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,680 So God did that for that baby? Is that baby 341 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:37,519 in the womb? Have they committed an act of aggression 342 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:40,000 against another which would give that person the right to 343 00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:44,960 defend itself? Is there any fetus, any baby in the 344 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,039 womb that has ever been such a threat to human 345 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:51,480 life that there would be a justifiable act of self 346 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:56,000 defense against that baby. Now, you could say, well, there 347 00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:59,279 are cases where the babies, the baby being in the 348 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:01,680 mother is certainly the other's life, and there are there 349 00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:07,319 are instances like that, like egg topic pregnancies, there's tubal 350 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,039 pregnancies that that can threaten the life of a woman. 351 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:17,079 They're rare, very rare, and mostlbgyns have never encountered them. 352 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,839 But in that case, then to me, that is truly 353 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,400 left in God's hands, because then that is the woman's 354 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:31,480 life hanging in the balance. Very rare. But in ninety 355 00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:35,759 nine point nine percent of cases that's not the case. 356 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:39,279 So I think I would ask tall Rico those series 357 00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:41,599 of questions, who made the baby, who counted every hair 358 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,960 on its head? Who loves it? And whose image was 359 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,039 he made? Or he or she has that baby committed 360 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:51,000 an act of aggression against another, meaning that you could 361 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:55,440 invoke the law of self defense. No, what then is 362 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,559 the taking of that life? How is it not murder? 363 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: Now? 364 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: I think this is a very important distinction, particularly in 365 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,839 these political times where I have had formerly really dear 366 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:18,319 friends text me and announce that I am a homophobe, 367 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:22,079 white supremacist. I'm trying to get the list right homophobe, racist, 368 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:26,799 and white supremacist because I vote for President. Voted for 369 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:31,839 Trump and support many of his policies, including the immigration policies, 370 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,720 the removal from a country of illegal alines. So I 371 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,559 think this is really really vital. Someone who makes a 372 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:47,079 mistake out of desperation, and even if it's a season 373 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,720 of mistakes or one big long season of mistake, is 374 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:58,319 not that thing. They did that thing. So I know 375 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,839 people who've had abortions, and I I won't say you're 376 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:08,000 a baby murderer one time thing, you're that of desperation 377 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,599 or belief that their life was at risk. You committed 378 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:21,000 an act that God abhorse and he warns against, and 379 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,079 he calls sin. And God is anxious to forgive, He's 380 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,319 righteous to forgive. So I think this distinction matters if 381 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,319 we're going to make this argument in kind, because this 382 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:38,160 guy's making a kind argument, but it's an empty argument. Scripturally, 383 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,000 if you just get down to you shall not murder 384 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,400 and understands how God makes babies and the evident joy 385 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,240 in which God makes babies. So they had this discussion 386 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,400 about biblical evidence, and this is where it's vital for 387 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:57,799 Rogan to understand, and I hope he gets this, that 388 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,480 he cannot put together a solid face structure based upon 389 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,880 people coming onto his program to sell a point of view. 390 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:10,119 And James tall Rico is a politician selling a point 391 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,000 of view. And I am assuming, given his tone, I 392 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:20,039 am assuming that these are very sincerely held beliefs of 393 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:25,400 this young man. And he's there to sell a thing, 394 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:33,119 an image, a candidacy, a political future, a pack. He's 395 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,960 choosing a lane in his party in Texas. He's choosing 396 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:43,839 the lane of soft spoken, reasonable leftist. Now, one thing 397 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,880 he said there with which I agree is he said 398 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,119 that the church has made this horrible mistake of making 399 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:58,599 abortion and same sex activity the sins true, because man, 400 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,359 I've seen it one of the and you better hear 401 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,160 me when I tell you this. Please search your heart 402 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,799 that you're not walking around saying, well, I might be 403 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,079 doing this, but I'm not doing that. My sin is 404 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,480 not as bad as that. That is one of the 405 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,440 most deceptive tools that Satan uses, and it can take 406 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:23,359 you straight into hell. Well, at least I've not done that, 407 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:30,480 So that has been a big, big mistake the church 408 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:32,519 made because you have a bunch of people saying, yeah, 409 00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,960 you know what, I watch porn fifteen times a day, 410 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,519 and I am mentally involving myself in orgies and I'm 411 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,559 mentally cheating on my wife. And I'm actually, in that 412 00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,799 way cheating on my wife or my husband because women 413 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,480 do this do just not as regularly. And yeah, so 414 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,400 some of the porn's gotten more extreme, and maybe it 415 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,240 involves some activities that I know are not biblically sound. 416 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,720 But you know what, I'm not going out. I'm cheating 417 00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:03,960 on my wife with a woman, well, not in person, 418 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,119 but I would bet you your wife would beg to 419 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:19,000 differ and say, you are demoting me. Search your hearts. 420 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,240 So he makes this case, and I agree with him 421 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,720 on this case. The counter argument to this is you 422 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:34,680 have the so called gay church taking the widest road possible, 423 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,680 but always on one arena. I can't stress this enough. 424 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,960 You are not going to see a theologian go on 425 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:49,160 Joe Rogan's program to explain to Joe Rogan that Jesus 426 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:56,240 Christ didn't really mean love thy neighbor as thyself, because 427 00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:02,000 what does neighbor really mean? For instance, Jesus had to 428 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:06,039 take his followers for a long walk to go to 429 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:10,000 that region where they had the gates of Hades. And 430 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:11,759 if you don't know this, that's a that was a 431 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,359 real place. There was a cave and it was a 432 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:17,920 very very deep cave that I think went down into 433 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:21,480 to water eventually, but it was a long drop and 434 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,039 people truly believed it was a gateway to Hell. So 435 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,359 people who worship demons set up a temple next door, 436 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,519 and they did unspeakable acts in that temple. At outside 437 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,519 that temple, those are the gates of Hades. So when 438 00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:37,279 the Lord Jesus took his followers there and was talking 439 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:39,720 to Peter, who but who do you say? I am? 440 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,000 And the wide path people by the way, the wide Path, 441 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:46,119 the almost Christian path. They have said that when Jesus 442 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:54,079 was asking his followers who am I, he was gender confused. No, 443 00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:58,000 they've said that that was him having someone hoping someone 444 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,000 would say, you're a woman born on the wrong body. 445 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,079 But when he went there and he got from Peter 446 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,240 Peter's confession, you are the son of God, you are 447 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:15,480 the Messiah. And Lord Jesus said, it is my bless you, 448 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,400 bless you Simon, who then called Peter for it was 449 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,599 not me who told you this, but my father in Heaven. 450 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,640 And it is upon this rock that I build my church, 451 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,880 and the Gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 452 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,559 They knew what the Gates of Hades look like. They've 453 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:32,319 been there. So my point is, no one's going to 454 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:34,799 go on Rogan's show and sayle, you know what, Jesus 455 00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:37,559 didn't really mean love they neighbor. For instance, Jesus took 456 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:39,599 his followers on a very, very long walk to this 457 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,119 place called the Gates of Hades. There were these horrible 458 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,640 acts being carried out over there, some of the worst 459 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,000 forms of sacrifices and perversions you could ever ever imagine. 460 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,079 So Jesus didn't love those people. They weren't even his 461 00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:55,559 neighbors one this long walk. So he may have been 462 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,359 meant love your neighbor, as in the guy in the 463 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:05,000 apartment next door, but those people, no one's going to 464 00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,880 do that. And you could go build an edifice of 465 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,440 a case for that if you wanted to. But that's 466 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,720 always going to be on the topic of sexuality, because 467 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:17,960 it is, as I've said, such an easy thing to 468 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,480 achieve sexual pleasure. Not to be gross, but you could 469 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:25,160 go do it the next ten minutes if who wanted to. 470 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:28,519 And a lot of people fight that spiritual war, and 471 00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:33,079 they should, well, I think everybody does really now. In 472 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,759 that period of time, they were still with Jesus, and eventually, 473 00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:39,039 of course, Jesus went to the cross, he raised from 474 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,480 the deads he manifested and appeared and was touched by people, 475 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,119 and then he went back into heaven. And we went 476 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,519 into this period of time that Luke documents in the 477 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,960 Book of Acts. So the Book of Acts is the 478 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,920 building of the church. Jesus is church, and Jesus said 479 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,880 the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. So 480 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,920 when he did that, they began to document this. Luke 481 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,359 did went back and looked at it and documented these steps. 482 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,200 How did they meet, what did they do? What did 483 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,960 they do when they were told stop preaching or stop 484 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,359 preaching Jesus, or you're going to die, they refused. What 485 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,960 were some of the miracles they carried out? Well, they 486 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,759 brought people back to life, they healed the sick, They 487 00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:20,720 did all sorts of miracles in the name of Jesus, 488 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,359 and they couldn't kill John. There's a new series from 489 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:26,680 the meaning they wanted to kill John as a martyr. 490 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,799 He's the only one they couldn't kill. There's a new 491 00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:32,319 series from Angel Studios called Testament, and this is not 492 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:36,200 an easy to watch bambiesque look at Christianity. This is 493 00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,680 taking the Book of Acts into a time of surveillance, 494 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:45,119 state of crushing of truth. In other words, an era 495 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:48,119 like we have now, a censorship state. And it's a 496 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,599 great time to watch this with your family to see 497 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,440 would you stand for Jesus when your back is against 498 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,480 the wall, to examine that. So you can stream this 499 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,680 today and also get two free tikes gets to any 500 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,039 theatrical release from Angel Studios and vote on the movies 501 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,480 that they create and promote. So go to Angel dot 502 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,960 com slash Todd, become a premium Angels Studio Guild member, 503 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,680 Angel dot Com slash Todd get all those benefits in 504 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,519 the part of a movement that is changing Hollywood for 505 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:21,240 the better with truly bold, faith based content like Testament. 506 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:26,000 So Joe Rogan asked for some biblical evidence of this 507 00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:28,400 guy's claims. What do you think is the biblical evidence 508 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,319 to support the opinion of being pro abortion? 509 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 3: So one you know in Genesis, God creates life by 510 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,359 breathing life into the first human being, which we later 511 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,519 call Adam. That life starts when you take your first breath, 512 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:51,039 and that is actually the mainline position in Judaism is 513 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:54,920 that that's when life starts. Then if you think about 514 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,160 it from a Christian perspective, what something interesting that Jesus 515 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,359 does throughout his ministry is he is breaking first century 516 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,079 norms about women, talking with women, learning from women, having 517 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,440 women lieutenants in his movement, and this was something that 518 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,519 was kind of unheard of in the first century. The 519 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,719 longest conversation Jesus has with anybody in the whole Bible 520 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,199 is with the Samaritan woman at the well. And so 521 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,480 this affirmation of women as full and equal people as 522 00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:28,639 a huge part of the Jesus movement, especially the early Church. 523 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,400 And then the last I think story I would go 524 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,199 to as the story of Mary. Mary is probably my 525 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,960 favorite figure in the Bible, the mother of Jesus. And 526 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:46,760 you know, she's an oppressed, peasant teenage girl living in 527 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,639 poverty under an oppressive empire as. 528 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,679 Speaker 1: A Jew, and she. 529 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,679 Speaker 3: Has a vision from God that she's going to give 530 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,639 birth to a baby who's going to bring the powerful 531 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,719 down from their thrones, going to scatter the the proud. 532 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,440 Who's going to send the rich away empty? 533 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go in reverse order. Are we debating Judaism. Nope, 534 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:18,000 Judaism has his belief, Christianity has ours. So okay, Jews 535 00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:23,119 believe that life begins at the first breath? Okay? Did 536 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:30,079 God when he breathed life into Adam? Was Adam inhaling? No, 537 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,679 he's having life breathed into him. It wasn't inhaling his lungs, 538 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,440 wasn't sucking it in. It was being pushed into him. 539 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:47,119 Very different. Secondly, if you take him through the process 540 00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,719 of genesis, and he's taking us through this, who did 541 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,360 God on whose image? Had God created mankind again on 542 00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:01,480 his own? The first life that was taken outraged God? 543 00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:08,440 The first time human beings chose their own way. I mean, 544 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,920 God knew it was going to happen, and look at 545 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:17,679 what it resulted in Jesus respecting women. Jesus loved everybody 546 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,400 he treated, even the guards who were attempting to belittle 547 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,079 him with love. The longest conversation Jesus had was with 548 00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:33,800 the Samaritan woman. No, it wasn't Jesus walked with his 549 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:41,400 followers for three years. That's the longest documented conversation. But 550 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:47,280 Jesus walked with his followers for three years. Do you 551 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,039 think in that period of time that they didn't have 552 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:53,239 a running dialogue, that it was a three year conversation. 553 00:36:56,119 --> 00:37:01,119 The effort this guy makes and take to try to 554 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,559 make this scriptural support. He doesn't quote any scripture in 555 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,599 favor of abortion. Then he gets to marry, and his 556 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,400 point is the woke church, gay gospel approach. While Mary 557 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:22,320 was given a choice, God always gives a choice, Judas 558 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:29,559 was given a choice. Judas Is Scariot was given a choice. Nicodemus, 559 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:38,079 the pharisee who became Jesus, curious as it were, and 560 00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:40,400 met Jesus on a rooftop at night. So it's to 561 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,320 not be seen Jesus was actually respecting him agreeing to 562 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,960 do that, because Jesus could have said, look, I've got 563 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,000 nothing to hide, I'm not going to sneak around to 564 00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,639 the shadows on the God of the universe. He was 565 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:57,679 doing that for Nicodemus. So Nicodemus was given a choice. 566 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:04,000 Tradition tells that Nicodemus eventually did accept Jesus and worked 567 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,119 with Joseph of a Marathea to make sure that Jesus 568 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:07,920 had a good tomb and was given the money for 569 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,519 spices or given the spices to have his body anointed. 570 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,719 So that's what tradition tells us. He was given a choice. 571 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,000 Satan was given a choice. Satan couldn't have rebelled if 572 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,199 he wasn't given a choice. Mary being given a choice 573 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,719 is not an argument for abortion. It's an argument of 574 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,920 a God who wants to be loved, because only when 575 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:35,039 you choose to love are you truly loving. God could 576 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,599 have made us robots. He could have done He could 577 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,960 have made us captives. There's a whole dynamic in which 578 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,599 you fall in love with your captives or captors. He 579 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,119 could have done that. He could have just made it 580 00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,480 impossible for so not love him. That's not an argument 581 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:55,239 for abortion. It's an argument on behalf of a loving 582 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,800 God who gives us liberty that is, freedom within limits, 583 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:07,119 and a God who has invented accountability. So the danger 584 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,559 here with Rogan and the young man who listened to 585 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:12,519 this is now it's easy, Oh my gosh, now it 586 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,679 can be cool, and tell my girlfriends, oh yeah, no, 587 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,760 I'm all about your body autonomy, and the baby's not 588 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,599 really a person, and he hasn't taken his first breath, 589 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,360 so up until that point, and well, up until that, 590 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,880 we can. That's why we're talking about this. And I'm very, 591 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,360 very concerned that Joe Rogan is choosing the wide road 592 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,239 of almost Christianity, meaning being almost saved being not saved 593 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,719 at all. So Tolerico tried to add some more context 594 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,719 to his alleged arguments. 595 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,599 Speaker 3: But I think all this in terms of in context 596 00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:53,760 of abortion, because before God comes over Mary and we 597 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,519 have the incarnation, God asks for Mary's consent, which is 598 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:03,000 from our I mean, go back and read this in Luke. 599 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,719 I mean the angel comes down and asks Mary if 600 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,920 this is something she wants to do, and she says, 601 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,199 if it is God's will, let it be done, let 602 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,880 it be let it happen. So to me, that is 603 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,519 an affirmation in one of our most central stories that 604 00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:23,199 creation has to be done with consent. You cannot force 605 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,320 someone to create. Creation is one of the most sacred 606 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,840 acts that that we engage in as human beings. But 607 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,599 that has to be done with consent, it has to 608 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:35,559 be done with freedom. And to me, that is absolutely 609 00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:39,239 consistent with the ministry and life and death of true graggestion. 610 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,280 Speaker 1: She just made an argument against rape. You just made 611 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,840 an argument against rape. You know what else? Jesus. Other 612 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,880 times he asked for permission when he was saving people. 613 00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,280 Very regularly he has do you want to be saved? 614 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,639 Do you want me to do this? He didn't very 615 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,280 often just walk up to someone and say, boom, saved. 616 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,199 He would wait to be asked, and on the occasions 617 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,599 that to his glory, he decided that this is a 618 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:22,239 way to demonstrate to people the glory of gods. He 619 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,840 would ask them. I guess the standout example of not 620 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,639 asking was Lazarus. Because Lazarus was dead, he asked his 621 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:33,039 father in heaven, not for his benefit, for the people 622 00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,960 around him. So again, that's not an argument for abortion. 623 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:44,800 It's an argument against rape, which is prohibited in Christianity. 624 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,599 And yeah, creation should be a choice, and it is 625 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,000 unless it's rape or incests. It is a choice. And 626 00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,159 Mary said, if this is the will of God, let 627 00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:58,280 it be done. If a woman becomes pregnant, was that 628 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:05,199 the will of God, let it be done to completion 629 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:13,800 to birth. He didn't make an argument against abortion. He 630 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,199 made an argument again sprape against incests. He made an 631 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,880 argument in favor of a God who loves us so 632 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,840 much he gives us these choices. And I worry about 633 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,519 Rogan because he's such a baby Christian that this is 634 00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:29,440 so easy for him to go back to the Hollywood ways, 635 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,360 back to the thing. And there is a mighty, mighty 636 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,079 war going on for Joe Rogan's soul. I mean, can 637 00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:40,639 you imagine the panic in Hell thinking that they might 638 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:44,159 lose this war for Joe Rogan. So of course they're 639 00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,800 going to bring in people who speak the language of 640 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,440 extreme anti Christian views, and Rogan is pretty good on 641 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,719 those fronts. And then they bring in this guy who 642 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:58,960 has that gentle tongue, and he presents this slightly wider path. 643 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,639 It's not really a path, it's a road, but it's 644 00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,920 not a highway. But remember our example from the beginning, 645 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,559 people who started on the slightly wider road to embracing 646 00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:14,039 same sex activity. And now they are marching through the 647 00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:18,280 streets of Portland saying, bottoms tops, we all hate cops. 648 00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:25,880 Bottoms tops, we all hate cops. As an antecdote, not 649 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,639 really end, but as a counter to this, I learned 650 00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:30,760 about and maybe you did two the last words of 651 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,960 Pastor John MacArthur. I want to give this to you 652 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,880 because I think it's a sign of hope and defense 653 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,239 in our faith. Because there was a war for MacArthur too. 654 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,719 There's a massive, massive war for Rogan, so we'll get 655 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,639 to that in a second. There are real wars, actual 656 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:49,440 shooting wars. My friend Tim Crookshank has been three times deployed. 657 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,840 I'm holding up a bag of his coffee. 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This is the closing argument of that 686 00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,559 that John MacArthur's last words. 687 00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 4: Apparently I hope it's okay to share you know, was 688 00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:28,559 reported to me by some of those who were with 689 00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:32,559 John in the hours that he was ready to go 690 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,760 to heaven, and one of these one of the verses 691 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,639 that were on his mind as his last Some of 692 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:42,559 his last words was one Corinthians fifteen fifty five, Oh death, 693 00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:46,280 where is your victory? Oh death, where is your sting? 694 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,039 And he was speaking about how the resurrection is the 695 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:51,639 conquest of a resurrection of Christ is the conquest of 696 00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,760 all of that. And it was reported to me that 697 00:45:55,079 --> 00:46:00,800 in between gasps for air, he said, I feel no sting. 698 00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:08,159 Speaker 1: God, Almighty, praise God. A defense for your faith. It 699 00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:11,519 depends for your defense, for your optimism. I feel no sting, 700 00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:14,920 I feel no fear. And into the hands of the Father. 701 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,239 Walk to guy who was not perfect, but he chose 702 00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:30,519 the narrow path, not the wide road of almost being saved. 703 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,599 God rest John MacArthur. This is the Todd Hermann Show. 704 00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:38,719 Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, and please 705 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,679 make every effort to walk in the light of Christ. 706 00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:54,119 And please bless my journey home to see my beloved wife.