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Speaker 1: So we've got We've got a very exciting show for
Speaker 1: you this week. We're going to talk about some of
Speaker 1: the headlines making headlines in magic from the perspective of
Speaker 1: somebody that maybe isn't as entrenched in the show, maybe
Speaker 1: as you or I. Are you meaning the the viewer, viewer,
Speaker 1: thank you, slash listener, or or I being the host
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Speaker 3: This is weird.
Speaker 4: I'm not used to being the host.
Speaker 2: I know, I was gonna say, are you okay with
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Speaker 3: I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I volunteered for this is too
Speaker 1: I'm too laid back for this much responsibility. Anybody who's
Speaker 1: ever been to a CEO experience and actually seeing me
Speaker 1: and Ryan like at work with one another, they're like, man,
Speaker 1: how did how did this happen?
Speaker 4: Is what they're saying.
Speaker 2: Like the oddest of odcoming.
Speaker 1: Nobody thought that Ryan could ever like be put down
Speaker 1: by anything. And while he's not down, he will be back,
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, after he sees this, he'll probably be back
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Speaker 3: Now, we don't have the RAM set up.
Speaker 4: We were talking about that earlier on your show.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about some headlines in the World
Speaker 1: of Magic. We're going to talk about some of the
Speaker 1: other things, maybe some events we are coming up, and
Speaker 1: just kind of have a good old time me and
Speaker 1: Gary doing an old school style. Is there anything that
Speaker 1: you Gary, as a somebody who's magic adjacent now, given
Speaker 1: your your current position, is there anything that you would
Speaker 1: like to know about the game or that you any
Speaker 1: thoughts that you have based on things that you've heard,
Speaker 1: things that you've seen, something you would like to address.
Speaker 1: This is your your your forum, my dude.
Speaker 2: Like, I think my biggest issue with trying to comprehend
Speaker 2: this incredible thing that is magic the gathering is the
Speaker 2: different types of gameplay. Because you guys keep talking about
Speaker 2: Commander and how Commander is the style you play, but
Speaker 2: I don't know how to differentiate any of that. So
Speaker 2: maybe if we could start at the bear basics and
Speaker 2: you could explain to me what the hell is commander.
Speaker 1: Commander is a format in magic where you play you
Speaker 1: have a card, a deck.
Speaker 3: Of one hundred cards.
Speaker 2: Holy cow, one.
Speaker 1: Hundred individual cards.
Speaker 2: Now I'll just keep jumping in when I have these questions.
Speaker 2: Do it? So you got one hundred cards? What's a
Speaker 2: normal magic game consist of? Card? Wise?
Speaker 1: Depending on where you're playing, usually between forty and sixty.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is like lots of card, Yes, there's
Speaker 2: lots of cards.
Speaker 1: Originally, the format was invented by some dudes that were
Speaker 1: on like the Rules Committee, that were really down deep
Speaker 1: in magic as a way to play some of the
Speaker 1: cards that don't have homes anywhere else, like they're too.
Speaker 3: Old or they're outclassed by other stuff.
Speaker 1: And they wanted to find a way where I want
Speaker 1: to I want to play with all this stuff that's
Speaker 1: in my binder's not worth anything telling it isn't really
Speaker 1: an option.
Speaker 3: Nobody wants it for trades.
Speaker 1: We got to find somewherehere we can play it. So
Speaker 1: what happened was they decided, Okay, we're gonna pick one
Speaker 1: legendary creature out of a deck. And legendary creature is
Speaker 1: a type of card these days, it just means it's
Speaker 1: good they tack legendary honors. You can't have more than
Speaker 1: one in play at.
Speaker 2: A time, okay in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And you would pick a legendary creature and they have colors.
Speaker 1: There's five colors in magic, and this would and that
Speaker 1: dictates what color of card you can play.
Speaker 2: In your deck. Okay, do any commanders have multiple color abilities?
Speaker 2: There's always one.
Speaker 3: They go from one to five.
Speaker 2: Get ahead of myself here, Oh yeah, So you get.
Speaker 1: To from one to five based on what you want
Speaker 1: to play, and then in your deck you'll have ninety
Speaker 1: nine cards left over because your commander counts.
Speaker 3: You can only have one of any card.
Speaker 1: With the exception of what is called a basic land,
Speaker 1: which is the basic resource within the game, where if
Speaker 1: you don't have them, your.
Speaker 3: Deck won't functions.
Speaker 1: So you can have as many of those as you
Speaker 1: want for the basic ones, but other than that, you
Speaker 1: can only have one of anything. Wow, so like you
Speaker 1: can go. Originally, I feel the idea was you go
Speaker 1: through your trade binder, your junk box, and you pick
Speaker 1: on all this stuff that you really wish you could
Speaker 1: have played. Right, man, got all these cool dragons that
Speaker 1: can't do shit anywhere, and you make a deck.
Speaker 2: Out of them.
Speaker 1: And then as the world went on, people realize, man,
Speaker 1: this is fun.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: People really liked it, people really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Imagine that getting to use things you like.
Speaker 1: Who would have thought that playing a game and having fun?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: What? It's right there?
Speaker 1: Then eventually the company that owns Magic the Gathering Wizards
Speaker 1: of the Coast, a subsidiary of Hasbro till all are
Speaker 1: None got a hold of it and they kind of
Speaker 1: started officially supporting it where they were releasing things directly
Speaker 1: into the Commander format. And I initially when they first
Speaker 1: started doing that, I was super against.
Speaker 3: I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: I thought it was very much against.
Speaker 3: The spirit of the game. And we're actually gonna talk
Speaker 3: about that on the show.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: There's a teaser guessing game.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yes, winners winners.
Speaker 1: We don't have the winners because Ryan picks the winners
Speaker 1: and I don't have one.
Speaker 3: So watch next week's pre show.
Speaker 2: We'll have two winners, but winner.
Speaker 3: If you want to win.
Speaker 1: Again, you could be a patron over at patreon dot
Speaker 1: coms She's podcast, or or you can tell us in
Speaker 1: the comments down below. What was the first Commander you
Speaker 1: ever built?
Speaker 2: There you go, that's there you go. And then when
Speaker 2: you win, where do you get to choose from?
Speaker 1: Oh, you can pick from a Ceco sticker pack, a
Speaker 1: CEO token pack, or a dirty, rotten, stink and old
Speaker 1: pack of Magic cards.
Speaker 2: Has there only ever been one person that took that
Speaker 2: third price.
Speaker 1: To my knowledge that is very rare to pick that.
Speaker 1: There was a time when people used to pick them.
Speaker 1: Around Christmas time, people will pick the pack and say, hey,
Speaker 1: like I want the pack, throw it in the in
Speaker 1: the sock and give it away as a thing, and
Speaker 1: then we give it away as a big prize at.
Speaker 3: The end of the year for Christmas. But mostly people
Speaker 3: liked it.
Speaker 2: To the stickers of the well, they are awesome because
Speaker 2: our stickers they are so good. In fact that at
Speaker 2: the Gunbat Day convention, our boy Dragon took a sticker
Speaker 2: that was stuck onto a piece of paper and tore
Speaker 2: it out of the piece of paper and gave it
Speaker 2: to the person thinking it was a sticker that he
Speaker 2: could still peel off. But it was just a sticker stuck.
Speaker 3: To a sticker stuck to a piece of loose leaf.
Speaker 2: That's how bad that dude won that sticker. And I
Speaker 2: love that. That's amazing. You know.
Speaker 4: When I walked up and I saw that, I was.
Speaker 3: Like, what the hell happened?
Speaker 4: And you were explaining it. I'm looking at Dragon, dude.
Speaker 2: But he wait like this listens like, well, man, I
Speaker 2: don't if you can explain that.
Speaker 1: Bro, there's a there's a box of them right there,
Speaker 1: there's the whole box full of stickers.
Speaker 4: Man, you could have given them any one of those,
Speaker 4: which you didn't.
Speaker 1: But you know what, that's why we love him and
Speaker 1: that's why he's a member of the nation now because yes,
Speaker 1: only here will you see that.
Speaker 3: Kind of bullshit that it's so good. Which is the best?
Speaker 3: So getting back to your.
Speaker 1: Initial question, that's the kind of origin of Commander. The
Speaker 1: other types of magic, the types of play, as you
Speaker 1: would say, to boil it down really succinctly, there are
Speaker 1: the sixty card formats. Those are like standard or legacy
Speaker 1: or vintage. Those are different legalities of cards based on
Speaker 1: how Vintage is basically every card ever printed.
Speaker 2: Okay, Legacy is also every.
Speaker 1: Card every print ever printed with a very distinguished band
Speaker 1: list that you can't play oh okay, only available in vintage,
Speaker 1: and standard is essentially what is the newest stuff the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. That's the rotating format that kind
Speaker 1: of keeps people buying packs and buying product. It's the
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play or I guess there's modern as well.
Speaker 3: It's like legacy light I forget the year that it
Speaker 3: goes back to. So those are the sixty card.
Speaker 1: Formats, and in those you don't have a command, and
Speaker 1: you can play four of any non basic land.
Speaker 2: Car so you can load up with your favorite guys.
Speaker 1: You can load up with your best stuff, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of that's the main distinguishing point in Commander and Regular.
Speaker 2: Does that mean I can have four brash Taunters?
Speaker 4: Oh, baby, yes you could.
Speaker 2: I bet you've done that before. You better believe. I'm
Speaker 2: so excited.
Speaker 3: I love this.
Speaker 2: It feels so good.
Speaker 3: It felt really good.
Speaker 1: There was actually a time in Commander where my whole
Speaker 1: deck was just built to make as many brash Haunters
Speaker 1: as I could.
Speaker 2: And you better believe.
Speaker 3: I won that came.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was very good. All I know about
Speaker 2: Magic from being producer Gary is that Brashhaunter is the
Speaker 2: greatest card in the history matches.
Speaker 1: See, he knows, he knows everything he needs to know
Speaker 1: him And glorb glarp glarbe is an adjective, a verb,
Speaker 1: and a proper name.
Speaker 2: So it's amazing versatile. I love words like that. I
Speaker 2: like words like that me too.
Speaker 1: And then the last main way you can play Match
Speaker 1: to the Gathering is through a random thing or a
Speaker 1: seal or a draft with those rs. When you go in,
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay money for X number of packs. If
Speaker 1: it's a draft, it's gonna be three. If it's a sealed,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get six. And then, through various means, you're
Speaker 1: gonna use the cards that you open blindly in those
Speaker 1: packs to create a deck. Those ones usually forty cards,
Speaker 1: and you can play as many of any card.
Speaker 3: As you open.
Speaker 2: It's like the Wild West, right, yes.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like, oh my god, I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: ten of this one thing. You never get ten to
Speaker 1: one thing, which is actually not true. I did play
Speaker 1: a I don't know how it happened, but that's the
Speaker 1: best draft in the history of magic.
Speaker 2: The gathering.
Speaker 3: I've told the story on the show bunch of times.
Speaker 1: We're just I feel like maybe everybody was drunk or
Speaker 1: they felt like, man, you know, Brando's never won one
Speaker 1: of these the penny win, and we really want him to,
Speaker 1: so let's just make sure that he gets load that
Speaker 1: thing up. Five of the best card in draft in
Speaker 1: the set, and then just.
Speaker 2: Walked over everyone.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was down, Yeah, game over.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It felt really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt really good. I feel like as well.
Speaker 2: You might be kind of like me when it comes
Speaker 2: to luck and those sort of things with these games.
Speaker 2: So on the rare occasion when it really works in
Speaker 2: your favor, it's like you're so grateful and enjoy it
Speaker 2: so much more than someone who is lucky all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Now when I finally managed to echo to win, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, it's a big deal for me.
Speaker 1: I love that because the people who have watched the
Speaker 1: box openings on the channel, they know the best, they
Speaker 1: know the best.
Speaker 4: They know that I'm I'm not I'm.
Speaker 1: Not great at But do you think that RNG is
Speaker 1: a random number generation? Do you think that that is
Speaker 1: something that is a benefit to or a hindrance to
Speaker 1: things that are in we'll say magic in certain cases,
Speaker 1: is competitive.
Speaker 3: Do you think that the randomness.
Speaker 1: Enriches a game like this or in your mind, would
Speaker 1: you think that it's a it's a it's a hindrance
Speaker 1: to a game.
Speaker 2: For me in this situation, I tend to look at
Speaker 2: something like speed Rents. As you know, we're huge gamers.
Speaker 2: We love speed Rents, and the RNG is the great
Speaker 2: equalizer no matter how how good of a speed runner
Speaker 2: you are, you still have to get those things to
Speaker 2: drop for you in order to break a record. So
Speaker 2: in that way, I love how it sort of levels
Speaker 2: the playing field a little bit. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: if I'm a wily veteran and I want to be perfect,
Speaker 2: it would really piss me off. So I think there's
Speaker 2: good and bad to both sides. If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense, Like and this is that.
Speaker 1: I think that that's part of the thing I really
Speaker 1: like about magic is you can be somebody that's got
Speaker 1: the perfect deck, Yeah, the perfect ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's it's everything has been sculpted and then you just
Speaker 1: you whip it out with your bodies and he's like,
Speaker 1: somebody's sitting over there, he's got.
Speaker 4: Something, no sleeves on it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: They just found a bunch of shit on the floor,
Speaker 1: and they're the first time they never shuffled a deck
Speaker 1: of cards before in their lives, shooting everywhere, right, and
Speaker 1: they just roll you because yours are bad, right.
Speaker 3: Orang is the great equalizer here as well.
Speaker 2: And I imagine that that would also play a lot
Speaker 2: more in a deck of like you say, ninety nine
Speaker 2: and one Commander than a sixty or forty.
Speaker 1: That is what makes the it's it's so exciting. I
Speaker 1: think to play Camander is the you have a lot
Speaker 1: of what's the word I'm looking for when it's the
Speaker 1: same kind of every time when you're playing the sixty
Speaker 1: sixty by four is what I call them, but the
Speaker 1: kind of more constructive formats. You have a lot more
Speaker 1: control over what your deck's going to do, and so
Speaker 1: that our g is a lot less And and I'll
Speaker 1: admit this because I'm not very good at it anymore.
Speaker 1: At least I used to be fairly okay, but I
Speaker 1: don't have the just the that that part of my
Speaker 1: brain just doesn't work now. Now I want to drink
Speaker 1: beer and have fun with my friends and like try
Speaker 1: and talk somebody out of killing me asid I'm trying
Speaker 1: to play them.
Speaker 3: You know, that's just.
Speaker 2: Easier choosing diplomacy over violence exactly. And but then I
Speaker 2: always eventually choose violence. Of course, for the record, you
Speaker 2: ever play Brando, I will choose violence eventually, and when
Speaker 2: I do, it's very violent, very well done.
Speaker 3: That's why I thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I have another question for you, Okay, do we shout
Speaker 2: out any business daddies or anyone right.
Speaker 3: Now, we're after that show.
Speaker 1: They don't have nothing to do. We do whatever we want.
Speaker 1: We can talk all about how we go to Winnipeg.
Speaker 1: And Winnipeg is a giant dumpster fire of a city
Speaker 1: and I wish that fuse in gaming. While they have
Speaker 1: a delightful storefront with a great staff, the best, very
Speaker 1: well stocked.
Speaker 3: Beautiful is in existence.
Speaker 1: It is essentially a pustule on the side of the
Speaker 1: anus of Canada. And I am I feel so bad
Speaker 1: for these great people that live in such a derelict
Speaker 1: of a city.
Speaker 2: Postule postual.
Speaker 3: Good word.
Speaker 2: You're the one that said it.
Speaker 1: Man, that should be the new CECAL promo code cceal pustual.
Speaker 2: Is like, are we saying like a pussy jewel? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Growing, Yeah, I always assume that's what that was. It
Speaker 3: was kind of like a little growth thing. I don't
Speaker 3: have an alphel degree.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, you know, doctor, right,
Speaker 1: I know lots of science facts, but one.
Speaker 2: Of them is not a pustul. The only thing that
Speaker 2: you are, for sure a doctor of his economics.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm very gangsta, and yeah, I am virtually invisible.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that my yellow shirt actually doesn't show up
Speaker 1: on the screen right now, because that would make it
Speaker 1: very funny.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I would love that, sir.
Speaker 3: I would like that as well.
Speaker 1: Are you excited to be on the very first get this,
Speaker 1: Get this Get this GBO on the c C O
Speaker 1: y TC.
Speaker 3: That's the Gary and Brando out.
Speaker 2: When you say it like that, I got very excited.
Speaker 1: Right That sounds pretty cool, sounds official? Now, Yes, So
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about some really exciting stuff. We've
Speaker 1: got some stories to tell, some people.
Speaker 3: To thank, you know, the drill. We're going to talk
Speaker 3: about all.
Speaker 1: That tomorrow on a very very very exciting episode of
Speaker 1: Commander Cookout Podcast and.
Speaker 3: Hit our theme song.
Speaker 2: Hello do You Hold It for?
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