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<v Speaker 1>On on on, Welcome to the CEO pre show for episode.

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<v Speaker 2>You just said it four.

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<v Speaker 3>Thirty four.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it is holy shit. It took that many

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<v Speaker 2>to finally bust through the glass ceiling what they call it.

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<v Speaker 1>To finally grab that brass ring and climb all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to the top of podcasting Baby, Brought to you

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<v Speaker 1>by the glorious patrons over at us patreon dot com

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<v Speaker 1>slash CEO Podcast, whether they like it or not, where

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<v Speaker 1>you might notice that Ryan has grown a beard, transfer

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<v Speaker 1>is wearing a hat that doesn't have camel on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and is wearing a shirt without sleeves, because when you

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<v Speaker 1>break your leg and have to have surgery, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to grow a beard and have a shirt with no sleeves.

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<v Speaker 1>That's part of the recuperation process allah the Canadian medical system.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So how do you feel? I feel a little

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<v Speaker 2>weak both in mind and body.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, I hope that gets better for you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll probably heal with my leg, you think, I think, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, it's your feelings and leg. And then what

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<v Speaker 1>happens to the beard?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you keep it? No? Offur just have to unglue

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<v Speaker 2>it and take it off, give it back?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, because Ryan's facial hair is clear. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>that's a The.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny part of this whole joke is Ryan has literally

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<v Speaker 1>had a beard the entire eight years we've done the show.

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<v Speaker 3>You just can't see it. It's that blonde for real.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is my man, Gary, producer, Gary Oh, he

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<v Speaker 1>is the proprietor here at the damn Network. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>actually in the damn studio right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The dungeon we have.

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<v Speaker 1>We we finally got out, we could go anywhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up in front of this flaming dumpster.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally a dumpster fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>It's what do they call this on a metaphor for anything?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just something we.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just you know, Ryan has been gone for a

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<v Speaker 1>week and now we don't have power or warmth or cold,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just have to We had to burn all

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<v Speaker 1>the equipment to keep ourselves from dying.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we're marking. Yeah, I think it's working good.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we go nice and toasted. I'm already sweating,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's what I'm saying that I feel the heat off.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good signs.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got We've got a very exciting show for

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<v Speaker 1>you this week. We're going to talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the headlines making headlines in magic from the perspective of

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that maybe isn't as entrenched in the show, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>as you or I. Are you meaning the the viewer, viewer,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, slash listener, or or I being the host

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<v Speaker 1>of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>This is weird.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not used to being the host.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I was gonna say, are you okay with

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<v Speaker 2>all that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I volunteered for this is too

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<v Speaker 1>I'm too laid back for this much responsibility. Anybody who's

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<v Speaker 1>ever been to a CEO experience and actually seeing me

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<v Speaker 1>and Ryan like at work with one another, they're like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>how did how did this happen?

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<v Speaker 4>Is what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the oddest of odcoming.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody thought that Ryan could ever like be put down

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<v Speaker 1>by anything. And while he's not down, he will be back,

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<v Speaker 1>I assume for next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, after he sees this, he'll probably be back

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<v Speaker 2>just to redo it. We'll tear his way in from

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<v Speaker 2>the ranch.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, we don't have the RAM set up.

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<v Speaker 4>We were talking about that earlier on your show.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna talk about some headlines in the World

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<v Speaker 1>of Magic. We're going to talk about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other things, maybe some events we are coming up, and

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of have a good old time me and

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<v Speaker 1>Gary doing an old school style. Is there anything that

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<v Speaker 1>you Gary, as a somebody who's magic adjacent now, given

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<v Speaker 1>your your current position, is there anything that you would

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<v Speaker 1>like to know about the game or that you any

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts that you have based on things that you've heard,

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<v Speaker 1>things that you've seen, something you would like to address.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your your your forum, my dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I think my biggest issue with trying to comprehend

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<v Speaker 2>this incredible thing that is magic the gathering is the

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<v Speaker 2>different types of gameplay. Because you guys keep talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Commander and how Commander is the style you play, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to differentiate any of that. So

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if we could start at the bear basics and

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<v Speaker 2>you could explain to me what the hell is commander.

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<v Speaker 1>Commander is a format in magic where you play you

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<v Speaker 1>have a card, a deck.

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<v Speaker 3>Of one hundred cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy cow, one.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred individual cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'll just keep jumping in when I have these questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it? So you got one hundred cards? What's a

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<v Speaker 2>normal magic game consist of? Card? Wise?

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<v Speaker 1>Depending on where you're playing, usually between forty and sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this is like lots of card, Yes, there's

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<v Speaker 2>lots of cards.

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<v Speaker 1>Originally, the format was invented by some dudes that were

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<v Speaker 1>on like the Rules Committee, that were really down deep

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<v Speaker 1>in magic as a way to play some of the

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<v Speaker 1>cards that don't have homes anywhere else, like they're too.

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<v Speaker 3>Old or they're outclassed by other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And they wanted to find a way where I want

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<v Speaker 1>to I want to play with all this stuff that's

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<v Speaker 1>in my binder's not worth anything telling it isn't really

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<v Speaker 1>an option.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody wants it for trades.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to find somewherehere we can play it. So

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<v Speaker 1>what happened was they decided, Okay, we're gonna pick one

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<v Speaker 1>legendary creature out of a deck. And legendary creature is

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<v Speaker 1>a type of card these days, it just means it's

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<v Speaker 1>good they tack legendary honors. You can't have more than

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<v Speaker 1>one in play at.

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<v Speaker 2>A time, okay in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>And you would pick a legendary creature and they have colors.

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<v Speaker 1>There's five colors in magic, and this would and that

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<v Speaker 1>dictates what color of card you can play.

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<v Speaker 2>In your deck. Okay, do any commanders have multiple color abilities?

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<v Speaker 2>There's always one.

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<v Speaker 3>They go from one to five.

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<v Speaker 2>Get ahead of myself here, Oh yeah, So you get.

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<v Speaker 1>To from one to five based on what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to play, and then in your deck you'll have ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine cards left over because your commander counts.

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<v Speaker 3>You can only have one of any card.

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<v Speaker 1>With the exception of what is called a basic land,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the basic resource within the game, where if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have them, your.

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<v Speaker 3>Deck won't functions.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can have as many of those as you

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<v Speaker 1>want for the basic ones, but other than that, you

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<v Speaker 1>can only have one of anything. Wow, so like you

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<v Speaker 1>can go. Originally, I feel the idea was you go

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<v Speaker 1>through your trade binder, your junk box, and you pick

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<v Speaker 1>on all this stuff that you really wish you could

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<v Speaker 1>have played. Right, man, got all these cool dragons that

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<v Speaker 1>can't do shit anywhere, and you make a deck.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as the world went on, people realize, man,

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<v Speaker 1>this is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>People really liked it, people really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine that getting to use things you like.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would have thought that playing a game and having fun?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>What? It's right there?

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<v Speaker 1>Then eventually the company that owns Magic the Gathering Wizards

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<v Speaker 1>of the Coast, a subsidiary of Hasbro till all are

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<v Speaker 1>None got a hold of it and they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>started officially supporting it where they were releasing things directly

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<v Speaker 1>into the Commander format. And I initially when they first

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<v Speaker 1>started doing that, I was super against.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was very much against.

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<v Speaker 3>The spirit of the game. And we're actually gonna talk

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<v Speaker 3>about that on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a teaser guessing game.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, yes, winners winners.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have the winners because Ryan picks the winners

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't have one.

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<v Speaker 3>So watch next week's pre show.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have two winners, but winner.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, you could be a patron over at patreon dot

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<v Speaker 1>coms She's podcast, or or you can tell us in

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<v Speaker 1>the comments down below. What was the first Commander you

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<v Speaker 1>ever built?

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, that's there you go. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>you win, where do you get to choose from?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you can pick from a Ceco sticker pack, a

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<v Speaker 1>CEO token pack, or a dirty, rotten, stink and old

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<v Speaker 1>pack of Magic cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Has there only ever been one person that took that

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<v Speaker 2>third price.

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<v Speaker 1>To my knowledge that is very rare to pick that.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a time when people used to pick them.

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<v Speaker 1>Around Christmas time, people will pick the pack and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>like I want the pack, throw it in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the sock and give it away as a thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we give it away as a big prize at.

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<v Speaker 3>The end of the year for Christmas. But mostly people

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<v Speaker 3>liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>To the stickers of the well, they are awesome because

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<v Speaker 2>our stickers they are so good. In fact that at

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<v Speaker 2>the Gunbat Day convention, our boy Dragon took a sticker

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<v Speaker 2>that was stuck onto a piece of paper and tore

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<v Speaker 2>it out of the piece of paper and gave it

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<v Speaker 2>to the person thinking it was a sticker that he

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<v Speaker 2>could still peel off. But it was just a sticker stuck.

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<v Speaker 3>To a sticker stuck to a piece of loose leaf.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how bad that dude won that sticker. And I

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<v Speaker 2>love that. That's amazing. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>When I walked up and I saw that, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what the hell happened?

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<v Speaker 4>And you were explaining it. I'm looking at Dragon, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>But he wait like this listens like, well, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't if you can explain that.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro, there's a there's a box of them right there,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the whole box full of stickers.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, you could have given them any one of those,

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<v Speaker 4>which you didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, that's why we love him and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why he's a member of the nation now because yes,

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<v Speaker 1>only here will you see that.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of bullshit that it's so good. Which is the best?

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<v Speaker 3>So getting back to your.

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<v Speaker 1>Initial question, that's the kind of origin of Commander. The

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<v Speaker 1>other types of magic, the types of play, as you

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<v Speaker 1>would say, to boil it down really succinctly, there are

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<v Speaker 1>the sixty card formats. Those are like standard or legacy

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<v Speaker 1>or vintage. Those are different legalities of cards based on

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<v Speaker 1>how Vintage is basically every card ever printed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Legacy is also every.

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<v Speaker 1>Card every print ever printed with a very distinguished band

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<v Speaker 1>and standard is essentially what is the newest stuff the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of years. That's the rotating format that kind

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<v Speaker 3>It's like legacy light I forget the year that it

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<v Speaker 3>goes back to. So those are the sixty card.

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<v Speaker 1>Formats, and in those you don't have a command, and

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<v Speaker 2>Car so you can load up with your favorite guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You can load up with your best stuff, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you've done that before. You better believe. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>I love this.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels so good.

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<v Speaker 3>It felt really good.

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<v Speaker 1>There was actually a time in Commander where my whole

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<v Speaker 2>And you better believe.

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<v Speaker 3>I won that came.

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<v Speaker 2>Magic from being producer Gary is that Brashhaunter is the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest card in the history matches.

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<v Speaker 1>See, he knows, he knows everything he needs to know

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<v Speaker 1>him And glorb glarp glarbe is an adjective, a verb,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's amazing versatile. I love words like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>like words like that me too.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the last main way you can play Match

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<v Speaker 1>seal or a draft with those rs. When you go in,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a draft, it's gonna be three. If it's a sealed,

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<v Speaker 3>As you open.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Wild West, right, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And it sounds like, oh my god, I'm gonna play

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<v Speaker 1>ten of this one thing. You never get ten to

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, which is actually not true. I did play

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<v Speaker 1>a I don't know how it happened, but that's the

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<v Speaker 2>The gathering.

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<v Speaker 3>I've told the story on the show bunch of times.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just I feel like maybe everybody was drunk or

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<v Speaker 1>they felt like, man, you know, Brando's never won one

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<v Speaker 1>of these the penny win, and we really want him to,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's just make sure that he gets load that

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<v Speaker 1>thing up. Five of the best card in draft in

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<v Speaker 1>the set, and then just.

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<v Speaker 2>Walked over everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it was down, Yeah, game over.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 3>It felt really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it felt really good. I feel like as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You might be kind of like me when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to luck and those sort of things with these games.

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<v Speaker 2>So on the rare occasion when it really works in

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<v Speaker 2>your favor, it's like you're so grateful and enjoy it

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<v Speaker 2>so much more than someone who is lucky all the time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now when I finally managed to echo to win, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a pretty big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, it's a big deal for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that because the people who have watched the

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<v Speaker 1>box openings on the channel, they know the best, they

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<v Speaker 1>know the best.

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<v Speaker 4>They know that I'm I'm not I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Not great at But do you think that RNG is

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<v Speaker 1>a random number generation? Do you think that that is

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<v Speaker 1>something that is a benefit to or a hindrance to

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<v Speaker 1>things that are in we'll say magic in certain cases,

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<v Speaker 1>is competitive.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that the randomness.

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<v Speaker 1>Enriches a game like this or in your mind, would

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<v Speaker 1>you think that it's a it's a it's a hindrance

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<v Speaker 2>For me in this situation, I tend to look at

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<v Speaker 2>something like speed Rents. As you know, we're huge gamers.

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<v Speaker 2>We love speed Rents, and the RNG is the great

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<v Speaker 2>equalizer no matter how how good of a speed runner

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<v Speaker 2>you are, you still have to get those things to

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<v Speaker 2>in that way, I love how it sort of levels

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<v Speaker 2>the playing field a little bit. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm a wily veteran and I want to be perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>it would really piss me off. So I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>good and bad to both sides. If that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes perfect sense, Like and this is that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's part of the thing I really

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<v Speaker 1>like about magic is you can be somebody that's got

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect deck, Yeah, the perfect ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's everything has been sculpted and then you just

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<v Speaker 1>you whip it out with your bodies and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's sitting over there, he's got.

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<v Speaker 4>Something, no sleeves on it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>They just found a bunch of shit on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're the first time they never shuffled a deck

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<v Speaker 1>of cards before in their lives, shooting everywhere, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>they just roll you because yours are bad, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Orang is the great equalizer here as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I imagine that that would also play a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more in a deck of like you say, ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>and one Commander than a sixty or forty.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what makes the it's it's so exciting. I

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<v Speaker 1>think to play Camander is the you have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of what's the word I'm looking for when it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same kind of every time when you're playing the sixty

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<v Speaker 1>sixty by four is what I call them, but the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of more constructive formats. You have a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>that our g is a lot less And and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>admit this because I'm not very good at it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>At least I used to be fairly okay, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the just the that that part of my

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<v Speaker 1>brain just doesn't work now. Now I want to drink

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<v Speaker 1>beer and have fun with my friends and like try

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<v Speaker 1>and talk somebody out of killing me asid I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to play them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Easier choosing diplomacy over violence exactly. And but then I

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<v Speaker 2>always eventually choose violence. Of course, for the record, you

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<v Speaker 2>ever play Brando, I will choose violence eventually, and when

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<v Speaker 2>I do, it's very violent, very well done.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I have another question for you, Okay, do we shout

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<v Speaker 2>out any business daddies or anyone right.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, we're after that show.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have nothing to do. We do whatever we want.

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<v Speaker 1>We can talk all about how we go to Winnipeg.

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<v Speaker 1>And Winnipeg is a giant dumpster fire of a city

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<v Speaker 1>and I wish that fuse in gaming. While they have

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<v Speaker 1>a delightful storefront with a great staff, the best, very

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<v Speaker 1>well stocked.

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<v Speaker 3>Beautiful is in existence.

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<v Speaker 1>It is essentially a pustule on the side of the

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<v Speaker 1>anus of Canada. And I am I feel so bad

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<v Speaker 1>for these great people that live in such a derelict

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<v Speaker 1>of a city.

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<v Speaker 2>Postule postual.

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<v Speaker 3>Good word.

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<v Speaker 2>You're the one that said it.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, that should be the new CECAL promo code cceal pustual.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like, are we saying like a pussy jewel? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Growing, Yeah, I always assume that's what that was. It

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of like a little growth thing. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have an alphel degree.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is, you know, doctor, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I know lots of science facts, but one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of them is not a pustul. The only thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you are, for sure a doctor of his economics.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm very gangsta, and yeah, I am virtually invisible.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping that my yellow shirt actually doesn't show up

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<v Speaker 1>on the screen right now, because that would make it

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<v Speaker 1>very funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I would love that, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>I would like that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you excited to be on the very first get this,

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<v Speaker 1>Get this Get this GBO on the c C O

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<v Speaker 3>That's the Gary and Brando out.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say it like that, I got very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Right That sounds pretty cool, sounds official? Now, Yes, So

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about some really exciting stuff. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got some stories to tell, some people.

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<v Speaker 3>To thank, you know, the drill. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about all.

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<v Speaker 1>That tomorrow on a very very very exciting episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Commander Cookout Podcast and.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit our theme song.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello do You Hold It for?

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<v Speaker 4>Until, says he started recording