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<v Speaker 1>are also tons of self help suggestions in that episode,

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<v Speaker 1>the all Washed Hands on Deck episode, So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>rather than double you up on two full new episodes

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<v Speaker 1>this week, I thought I would have an encore presentation

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<v Speaker 1>of a super spring and fluttery, goofy happy episode that

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<v Speaker 1>although we do discuss some aspects of bugs making other bugs,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know what I mean. But I love this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to make you stop and look at the

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<v Speaker 1>blossoms on your morning walks and appreciate all the beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>the transit buses. We need you so much. Okay, onto

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<v Speaker 1>the episode. This one first aired about two years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've included some updates and surprises along the way. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you ready for the rest of intro. Okay, here we

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<v Speaker 1>Golepidopterology what a word, so many syllables. You gotta remember,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to not mess up. But it's a study

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<v Speaker 1>of butterflies and moths of the order lepidoptera, which comes

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<v Speaker 1>from Greek words for scale and wing. Very sexy. So

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<v Speaker 1>this ologist I've known for almost five years, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>which is crazy, but as a bug nerd, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a really, really good photographer. So I forced him to

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<v Speaker 1>be my internet friend and then my in real life friend,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we introduced each other to our other science friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're all in a WhatsApp thread called Scorpions

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<v Speaker 1>on our Faces. We are the ones who fueled everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>bug questions. And my only aim in life is to

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<v Speaker 1>deliver insect ideas faster than him, and it only works sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just because he's on a plane or he's

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<v Speaker 1>shooting one of his several TV shows he works on,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm may be able to get in before him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I look like a hero. You may have seen

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<v Speaker 1>him on Animal Planet, Al Jazeera America's show Techno. He's

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<v Speaker 1>Aptly Jungle Diaries. So we sat down in La while

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<v Speaker 1>million butterfly questions at his face, and we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the differences between moths and butterflies, the most butterflies he's

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen in one place, and what children's toys are

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<v Speaker 1>in his field kit, and why he sniffs butterflies, and

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<v Speaker 1>the truly disgusting behaviors and preferences of the world's most

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<v Speaker 1>fond over and respected insects. They are disgusting. We talk

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<v Speaker 1>about sex and mating. So slow down, perch on a

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<v Speaker 1>flower and open your ears for some delightful facts and

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<v Speaker 1>harrowing jungle tales from one of my favorite entomologists, a

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<v Speaker 1>guy I call Philly t Exoskeletorres lepidopterologist Phil Torres.

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<v Speaker 2>Butterflies are the best, it appears to recorder.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your microphone.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's karaoke night.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it really is great. Just you just hold

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you point it at your face.

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<v Speaker 1>Pointed at your face, Philly t exoskeleatoris thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>being here, happy to be here. Okay, So you are,

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<v Speaker 1>by all accounts, a lepidopterologist.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's let's go with that. Yes, backgrounds and entomology, and

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<v Speaker 3>I focus a lot of my work on butterflies because

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<v Speaker 3>they're kind of the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are they the best? I'm getting right into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a lot of it has to do with

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<v Speaker 3>going way back for me. So when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>I was out there bringing home bones and snakes and

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<v Speaker 3>as a kid when I was seven years old. And

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<v Speaker 3>this guy, doctor Andy Warren, who's now the collections manager

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<v Speaker 3>at University of Florida. He's like amazing butterfly researcher. He

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<v Speaker 3>right data. And it was a blest and we were

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<v Speaker 3>out there. I remember when I was eight, Me and

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<v Speaker 1>The gulf fritillary, by the way, is this cute little orangey,

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<v Speaker 1>umber and dark brown butterfly And the underside of its

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<v Speaker 1>wings have these crazy gorgeous metallic silvery patches. So from

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<v Speaker 1>but on the underside it has markings like a Lady

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<v Speaker 1>Gaga super Bowl costume for the future anyway, gold fritillary.

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<v Speaker 3>And he caught it. I missed it, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>like the first state record ever recorded in Colorado. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Okay, if we can do that at this age,

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<v Speaker 1>The eight year olds are not real.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not Let's let's be honest here.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened when he caught it? Were you like, ah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it was just it was all excitement.

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<v Speaker 3>It was it was pretty there's probably some high fives.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know what the cool word was

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<v Speaker 1>But it's probably rad.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably rad. I don't know, I was eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, probably a big word. Bition is a big word. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>does doctor Andy Andy Warren?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you are you guys? Still? Are you pals?

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<v Speaker 3>Totally? We're totally palced still And it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>So you too can digitally befriend Andy Warren, the lepidopterologist

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<v Speaker 1>who inspired Phil. He is at Andy bug Guy on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can have at it. Andy will probably be

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<v Speaker 1>confused about the sudden spike in his timeline, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is a low buffet of butterfly and moth photos, totally

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<v Speaker 1>worth it. Gently stock him.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, actually I talked to him about getting on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 3>and now he's just like killing the game. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you have any butterfly questions, he just he knows it.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows everything. So he's like the grand master and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like his understudy.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I know, because I know that you answer

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<v Speaker 3>To butterfly, I do. I can't help it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is it harder for you to answer a

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<v Speaker 1>question of like what is this caterpillar? Versus what is

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<v Speaker 1>this butterfly?

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<v Speaker 3>It is? I mean, you tend to spend more time

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<v Speaker 3>working on at least for me, working on the adult

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<v Speaker 3>and memorizing the different species and knowing where they're found

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<v Speaker 3>and all that kind of thing. And the caterpillars can

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<v Speaker 3>be a little trickier. Some are more obvious than others.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that if it looks like bird poop, then

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably a swallowtail caterpillar?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 3>That is true? Yeah. A lot of the younger in stars,

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<v Speaker 3>they will mimic bird poop, so well, oh, that's so

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<v Speaker 3>smart on a citrus tree, especially, so if you are

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<v Speaker 3>like smelling a nice orange and you see some bird

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<v Speaker 3>poop crawling around, and you'd be like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 3>that might be a swallowtail butterfly.

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<v Speaker 1>What's worse than roving bird poop? And they're like, surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>how did jubby caterpillar? Side note, if you are like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is this in star business? Don't worry. As much

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<v Speaker 1>as I have been a bug lover for the years,

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<v Speaker 1>I just learned this word recently. I didn't know it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just means the different stages, like in this case caterpillars,

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<v Speaker 1>So they just keep molting into a larger size until

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<v Speaker 1>they're ready to pupate. So imagine kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>Russian nesting doll situation, but squishy, and at the very

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<v Speaker 1>last stage they turn into a purse and then out

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<v Speaker 1>of the purse pops a kite or a drone, and

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of progressions, so let's talk about your path. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>at what point did you decide you were going to

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<v Speaker 1>study entomology and butterflies?

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<v Speaker 3>I was eleven years old and I had to write

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<v Speaker 3>a paper in middle school saying what do you want

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<v Speaker 3>to do when you grow up? And I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to study entomology at Cornell And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>because that's where Andy went to study as well, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is what I want to do because he would

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<v Speaker 3>tell these stories of you know, he just came back

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<v Speaker 3>from South Africa and discovered species a month in Brazil

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<v Speaker 3>and all these places around the world. So I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a job out there. You get to chase

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<v Speaker 3>after things with a butterfly nets, make real discoveries and

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<v Speaker 3>explore the world, and that just sounds like a blest

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<v Speaker 3>not to mention you get to like have fun doing it,

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<v Speaker 3>like you make bait traps that smell terrible, and it

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<v Speaker 3>just like stuff that kids love. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>How many countries do you think you've been to in

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<v Speaker 1>a quest to look at butterflies and bugs and snakes,

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<v Speaker 1>sticks and bones.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe like fifteen or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Phil has traveled through most of Latin America, Mongolia, he's

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<v Speaker 3>You get around, and that's that's really what drew me

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<v Speaker 3>a half weeks in Venezuela and found thirty five new species.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were you were not twenty yet, you could

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<v Speaker 1>a CARSS and you discovered how many new species?

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<v Speaker 3>Thirty five on this trip. I mean it was he

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<v Speaker 3>were there's in Venezuela, a lot of these beetles. This

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<v Speaker 3>And I had so many moments when I was young there.

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<v Speaker 3>but also the humans you meet in these places were amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Phil had an experience growing up that always stuck with him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to say, right up top, it involved

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<v Speaker 1>travel and butterflies, which you're gonna find is a recurring

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<v Speaker 1>theme in Phil's life in US this episode. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time it's over, I'm just gonna warn you, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>and flipping your boss off on your way out the door,

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<v Speaker 1>like bye bye, I'm off gone to the janga. This

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<v Speaker 1>episode will inspire you to wreck your life. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be great anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, my dad's family is from Nicodagua, and when

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<v Speaker 3>or fifteen at the times, we did two trips. As

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<v Speaker 3>butterflies and I'll send you photos and kind of we

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<v Speaker 3>can id them together and he was like sure, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, sweet, let's go find some butterflies. So

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<v Speaker 3>we were there visiting family. But then I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>went up into this volcano called Mombato for one point too,

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<v Speaker 3>and I caught this one butterfly. They're called glass wing butterflies,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're beautiful because they're kind of transparent and just

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<v Speaker 1>Just a note to say that a glass wing is

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<v Speaker 1>super weird to look at. It's just as it sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the wings are totally see through, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like it exists, but it doesn't. And whenever

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<v Speaker 1>I see photos of them, and I was just looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a bunch of them, I always get like these

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<v Speaker 1>weird kind of goosebumps and like a squiky feeling in

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<v Speaker 1>my tumers, like a vertigo, Like how are you a

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<v Speaker 1>mostly transparent animal? Anyway? So Phil found a really.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool one butterfly usually find a higher elevation or shadier

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<v Speaker 3>areas in the tropics, and I went home mounted this butterfly,

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<v Speaker 3>put the location data, all that kind of thing. And

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<v Speaker 3>then a few months later, my uncle who lives down there,

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<v Speaker 3>butterfly has been collected on this volcano, Mumbacio, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>only three specimens that have ever been found. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I looked at my collection. I was like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>I have the fourth one. And I was like a teenager,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was just on this family trip, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it was another one of those moments where I'm like, holy, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>if I just did this right now, because there's so

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<v Speaker 3>few people out there appreciating these things, imagine what else

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<v Speaker 3>I can do if I make a career out of this.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's called not Biogenes tuloso mumbachuencies, so that quite

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<v Speaker 3>a mouth mombacho part. That's the subspecies found on that

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<v Speaker 3>volcano Mumbaco.

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<v Speaker 1>What does the whole name mean? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Not Biogen's toloso mumbauenzis Tolosa's my guess? Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Yeah, let's look it up. We can

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<v Speaker 3>dig into this. I wonder we'll get the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to know that you're that tried real

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<v Speaker 1>hard to find the meaning of this scientific name, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just plump struck out, kiddos. It was named in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty one by an entomologist, and I just I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea what it means. Spam, I have no idea,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what. Let's back up. Let's just back up.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to some easier questions first. Okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>define a butterfly. Okay, so I know what a butterfly

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<v Speaker 1>looks like. But what's the difference between a butterfly and

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<v Speaker 1>a moth? What's the difference between a butterfly and another

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<v Speaker 1>winged insect? What makes it a lepidopterology?

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<v Speaker 3>So lepidoptera translates as like scaly wing. Okay, so that's

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<v Speaker 3>one of the number one things. You look at those

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<v Speaker 3>wings and they're covered in little tiny scales, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>how they get their color. Oh, and that color can

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<v Speaker 3>be really brilliant and colorful, or it can be drab

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<v Speaker 3>and brown, and it kind of depends on the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So butterflies get a lot of the glory because we

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<v Speaker 3>see them more often because they're diurnal.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, what is that word again? Diurnal? FYI? I avoid

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<v Speaker 1>this word a lot because I'm afraid of saying it wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and also it sounds like a pea toilet, but it

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<v Speaker 1>just means not nocturnal. So butterflies awake during the day,

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<v Speaker 1>which is more than I can say for myself sometimes and.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just prettier. But really, butterflies are a type of day.

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<v Speaker 1>Flying moth that's so weird.

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<v Speaker 3>So when we look at the family tree, there's like

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<v Speaker 3>moth moth, moth butterfly, and moth moth moth, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of considered and you know amongst most people as

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<v Speaker 3>like butterflies on the left and moths on the right.

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<v Speaker 3>But really it's this branch of moths that evolved into

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<v Speaker 3>this superfamily papillion no idea that has really done well

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<v Speaker 3>during the day diurnal and that's why it has all

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<v Speaker 3>these bright colors, because those colors help it camouflage or

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<v Speaker 3>identify a mate, or to show that it's poisonous if

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<v Speaker 3>it has like bright orange and yellow and black colors,

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<v Speaker 3>or to mimic something that is poisonous, and it's they're great.

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<v Speaker 3>So to tell the difference between moth and butterfly color

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<v Speaker 3>is one thing. Also, look at the way they rest,

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<v Speaker 3>so a moth generally has its wings folded down when

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<v Speaker 3>it's resting, and a butterfly generally has its wings folded

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So it's like a stealth fighter versus a sailboat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, that is great. I'm going to use that.

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<v Speaker 1>You are welcome. Please cite me in all you got it.

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<v Speaker 1>So butterflies are up typically, typically, there are some that

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<v Speaker 1>break the rules.

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<v Speaker 3>The rule that basically is never broken is looking at

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<v Speaker 3>the antenna. Okay, So a butterfly, imagine you know you

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<v Speaker 3>have these too long stocks at the top are too long,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, things sticking out, and then at the very

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<v Speaker 3>end it gets a little thick, a little club. If

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<v Speaker 3>it's got like a club at the end, you were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about a butterfly. Here, if it's straight or feathery,

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<v Speaker 3>we're talking about a moth.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And do they have wildly different eyesight or wildly

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<v Speaker 1>different like olfactory senses?

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<v Speaker 3>Eyesight? For sure. Butterflies fly anything that's flying by day.

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<v Speaker 3>There are moths that fly as well. They're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be very visual, so they're looking for brightly colored flowers

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<v Speaker 3>that are telling them, hey, we've got some nectar for you.

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<v Speaker 3>They're looking for conspecifics, others of the same species to

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<v Speaker 3>out of their territory. They're looking for predators flying around.

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<v Speaker 3>They're pretty decent vision to look for anything swooping at them,

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<v Speaker 3>and you learn that when you're trying to catch them

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<v Speaker 3>with a butterfly net. They're very tricky sometimes exercise it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is very good exercise. Yes, it's the real jungle gym.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're out there in the rainforest and you're swinging

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<v Speaker 3>these things. It's tricky. Some species are way easy to

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<v Speaker 3>and then others are just they're like jet fighters. They're

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<v Speaker 3>really tough, really agile, and they're really tricky, which is

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<v Speaker 3>why sometimes bait traps do the trick.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, because I've seen a video of you in your

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<v Speaker 1>longest butterfly. Oh yeah, how long is it? And how

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<v Speaker 1>heavy is that? Because you've got to get up in

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<v Speaker 1>the canopy. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I was working with my friend doctor Susan Finkbiner.

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<v Speaker 1>Phil and doctor fink Biner went to Cornell together and

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<v Speaker 1>the world. She's super tough. She works deep in the jungle,

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<v Speaker 1>and she uses this nuts the longest butterfly net available

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<v Speaker 1>possibly on the open market, to catch butterflies in the

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<v Speaker 1>rainforest canopy. It extends thirty five feet. It's a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five foot long net. I looked all over for on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet. I couldn't even find one to see how

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<v Speaker 1>much they cost. I think she had to build it herself. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Phil was like, I'm a buff dude, I can do that. Also, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this was not his verbatim thoughts. I just editorialized them. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, I got this, teach me how to

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<v Speaker 1>use it. I'm gonna look just like you.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't pan out that way. We have to like

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<v Speaker 3>hike up this crazy stream. And I mean it was

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<v Speaker 3>amazing Pla to work like that's her office every day.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty great. But then you open up the butterfly net

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<v Speaker 3>and I couldn't even I could barely hold the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks so heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>It just keeps It's like a clown cart. You just

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<v Speaker 3>Like extending it. My arm got tired. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>can we is there like a button we can breast

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<v Speaker 3>that this thing happens, and so yeah, holding it you

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<v Speaker 3>have to kind of stabilize with your foot and then

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<v Speaker 3>swinging it and swinging accurately was a whole other level,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was. It was a blest And every time

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<v Speaker 3>I do something like that, I'm like, this is such

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<v Speaker 3>a fun job. Like studying butterflies. You just get to

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<v Speaker 3>do these crazy things like swing thirty five foot nets

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the jungle.

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<v Speaker 1>But what about the bait traps. If you're like, my

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<v Speaker 1>a pile of dung and see what happens. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what happens? Because you mentioned they were smelly.

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<v Speaker 3>They are smelly. So bait traps you get creative and

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<v Speaker 3>so sometimes you will use a banana bait trap, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is pretty typical throughout the Tropic because you get bananas,

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<v Speaker 3>ferment for a few days. You open it up if

417
00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:14.319
<v Speaker 3>it smells the nivee in a ripe, and like you

418
00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.720
<v Speaker 3>don't want to be anywhere near it. Then you got

419
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<v Speaker 3>some good bait, and then you set it in a

420
00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.119
<v Speaker 3>little cup and in this kind of like cylinder net

421
00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:24.400
<v Speaker 3>thing at floating you know, it'll be floating below the

422
00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:26.720
<v Speaker 3>cylinder net thing. And so the butterfly feeds on the

423
00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.400
<v Speaker 3>bait and then flies up, and when they fly up,

424
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<v Speaker 3>they get caught in that net.

425
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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

426
00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.960
<v Speaker 3>So that's like the most PG thirteen version of a

427
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<v Speaker 3>butterfly bait.

428
00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

429
00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:39.880
<v Speaker 3>But then you get a little interesting, and we will

430
00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:44.240
<v Speaker 3>use rotten fish, so we will ferment like tunic cans,

431
00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.119
<v Speaker 3>and that was horrible. We will add human urine to it.

432
00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.039
<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, and that doesn't make it any better. And

433
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.160
<v Speaker 3>then you can also use yeah.

434
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<v Speaker 1>Poop, anything, in particular carnivore poop.

435
00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:01.400
<v Speaker 3>So if you're a vegan, I'm sorry, but your poop

436
00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:05.680
<v Speaker 3>probably won't cut it. If you are a carnivore, you

437
00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.599
<v Speaker 3>have enough. You've got some like good sodium and maybe

438
00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:10.759
<v Speaker 3>even some nitrogen they might be going for in there.

439
00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

440
00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.960
<v Speaker 3>And so I always joke that, I mean, seeing a

441
00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:17.640
<v Speaker 3>jaguar in the wild is an amazing thing, and knowing

442
00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.200
<v Speaker 3>that they're around, finding images of them on camera traps

443
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:23.880
<v Speaker 3>is great. But what I'm after is jaguar poop, because

444
00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.440
<v Speaker 3>when you find jaguar poop, you will see some of

445
00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:29.720
<v Speaker 3>the rarest butterflies that generally are only found way up

446
00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.160
<v Speaker 3>on the canopy, but they will come down to the

447
00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:36.880
<v Speaker 3>ground to feed on that steamy pile of goods. And

448
00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:40.319
<v Speaker 3>that's just it. There's all these rare resources out there,

449
00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:42.319
<v Speaker 3>and so if you make a bait that smells like

450
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:47.880
<v Speaker 3>a rare resource like pee or rotten fish or rotten fruit,

451
00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:49.400
<v Speaker 3>then the butterflies will come.

452
00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:52.759
<v Speaker 1>I love that the most Pg. Thirteen version of this

453
00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:54.559
<v Speaker 1>is something that has to do with beer. Like it

454
00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:57.880
<v Speaker 1>gets so gross from there that the most innocent thing

455
00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:59.359
<v Speaker 1>is putting out beer for butterfly.

456
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<v Speaker 3>It is you're fermenting this fruit, right, which is how

457
00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.839
<v Speaker 3>you make alcohol in the first place. So it becomes

458
00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.680
<v Speaker 3>slightly alcoholic, and you actually kind of see that these

459
00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:09.960
<v Speaker 3>butterflies get a little drunk.

460
00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Is that true?

461
00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:13.480
<v Speaker 3>It is very true. How can you tell they're just

462
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:16.799
<v Speaker 3>like getting in bar fights and stuff? There tattoos.

463
00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Now you can actually discern which butterflies become inebriated on

464
00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:24.559
<v Speaker 1>fermenting fruit if you look super closely, because on some

465
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>specimens you can see a really small tattoo of a

466
00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:31.920
<v Speaker 1>human on the lower back of the butterfly, so the

467
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.920
<v Speaker 1>love is very mutual. They love us too. If you'd

468
00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:38.599
<v Speaker 1>like a rabbit hole to go down. Type in drunk

469
00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.440
<v Speaker 1>butterflies on YouTube, and you're gonna find some gems like

470
00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.799
<v Speaker 1>this one from Ann a girl mpath. His tongue's all

471
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:48.799
<v Speaker 1>curled again, so he's not eating, he's just kind of chilling.

472
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>So we may both be suckers for getting shmammren on

473
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:55.039
<v Speaker 1>a hooch. But a butterfly brain is a little different

474
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>than ours. They have a lump of ganglia and the

475
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.759
<v Speaker 1>head to control the eyes and the antenna and the

476
00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:05.480
<v Speaker 1>coiled birthday party horn of a proboscis, but it also

477
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>extends down their body. Their brain goes all the way

478
00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:12.440
<v Speaker 1>down their body to help their back end make decisions,

479
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:17.319
<v Speaker 1>which honestly would be very helpful in humans, especially drunk ones.

480
00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:19.440
<v Speaker 3>But yes, they can get a little drunk like us.

481
00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:22.799
<v Speaker 1>What okay? Well, this brings me to a question. If

482
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.079
<v Speaker 1>they can drink and eat how many moths? How many

483
00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:28.640
<v Speaker 1>butterflies actually eat as adults, because don't a lot of

484
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:31.640
<v Speaker 1>them just chub it up when their bibis and they're done.

485
00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:34.039
<v Speaker 1>They're like as I'm an adult, all I want to

486
00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:34.680
<v Speaker 1>do is mate.

487
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.599
<v Speaker 3>Caterpillars are just big feeding tubes, okay, and they just

488
00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.759
<v Speaker 3>eat and eat and eat, and they just try to

489
00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:44.000
<v Speaker 3>grow into a thing that will then turn into a

490
00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.000
<v Speaker 3>crystalis or a cocon and then turn into an adult.

491
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:50.079
<v Speaker 1>So some species feed as adults and live a little

492
00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:52.519
<v Speaker 1>longer so that they can have a better chance of

493
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:56.079
<v Speaker 1>finding a mate, maybe a few mates. Hey, other species

494
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>don't live as long, and thus they don't even bother

495
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:02.319
<v Speaker 1>growing mouths, which is like hello, American horror story.

496
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:06.599
<v Speaker 3>Butterfly season, they don't have mouth parts because they ate

497
00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:09.240
<v Speaker 3>a bunch as a chelby caterpillar and now they're like,

498
00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:11.599
<v Speaker 3>I just got a mate. So with them, it is

499
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.160
<v Speaker 3>a pheromone. Now, butterflies, well the pheromones too, but with

500
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:17.400
<v Speaker 3>moths it can be way stronger. So if you take

501
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:21.200
<v Speaker 3>a female silk moth, a big let's say, luna moth,

502
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.279
<v Speaker 3>and you stick it in you know, kind of a

503
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:28.680
<v Speaker 3>mesh whatever mesh bag, she will release this pheromone out

504
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 3>into the world and if you wait all night, that

505
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.319
<v Speaker 3>thing will have like a dozen males that have tracked

506
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.359
<v Speaker 3>it down. And the way they do it is the

507
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:42.000
<v Speaker 3>males have these big feathery antenna that are super super sensitive.

508
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:44.599
<v Speaker 3>They can detect like a single molecule from like two

509
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.039
<v Speaker 3>miles away, and they'll be like, there is a female

510
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 3>around here, let's find her. And they do kind of

511
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.160
<v Speaker 3>a zigzag pattern to triangulate and to figure out where

512
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.720
<v Speaker 3>she is. And then when they find her, they know

513
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:57.880
<v Speaker 3>that they got something to do and they try to mate.

514
00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:59.880
<v Speaker 1>How pissed were they that she was in a mesh bag?

515
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:02.440
<v Speaker 1>They were so pissed, like I came this whole way.

516
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:04.440
<v Speaker 1>She's like, sorry, I'm in a back tonight.

517
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:06.519
<v Speaker 3>Maybe tomorrow.

518
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Now. How is it different for butterflies? How do they

519
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.039
<v Speaker 1>find each other just by peeping each other on a flower? Like, hey,

520
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I saw you on the flower back there. You look

521
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>very good.

522
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it'll be a visual thing usually because they have

523
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.599
<v Speaker 3>colors that we can see and also UV colors as well,

524
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.680
<v Speaker 3>and then from a close distance, it will oftentimes be

525
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:29.400
<v Speaker 3>a mix of behavior and smell. Okay, So certain species

526
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 3>males will defend a territory and wait for a female

527
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:34.119
<v Speaker 3>to come by. Other times they'll be cruising around looking

528
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 3>for a female slab and.

529
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Maybe want to roam my windows now.

530
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.720
<v Speaker 3>Close, so that kind of makes a difference. But then

531
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.160
<v Speaker 3>up close, butterflies to have a pheromone, and the best

532
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:51.279
<v Speaker 3>thing about butterfly mating is that their pheromones smell really,

533
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:54.079
<v Speaker 3>really good, the super good.

534
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Is this just a personal fetish from a lepidopterologist or

535
00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:00.359
<v Speaker 1>would you say bit?

536
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 3>But so, when I was in Peru a couple of

537
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:07.720
<v Speaker 3>months ago, we found this one butterfly and it was on.

538
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Butterflies sleep underneath leaves in the tropics, So if you're

539
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:13.759
<v Speaker 3>walking around at night and you shine lights underneath leaves,

540
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:15.400
<v Speaker 3>you'll see a little butterfly tucked in and so you

541
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:17.119
<v Speaker 3>can catch them in a way that they're they're totally

542
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.759
<v Speaker 3>not harmed, open up their wings and give it a sniff,

543
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.920
<v Speaker 3>and if it's a male in certain groups, I passed

544
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 3>this around ten out of ten people, where like, this

545
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.759
<v Speaker 3>smells exactly like brownie batter.

546
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Why brownie batter?

547
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 3>Like not even cooked brownies, we're talking the batter. This

548
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.079
<v Speaker 3>is so different, and I think it's just it's a

549
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.880
<v Speaker 3>mix of incidental that it smells like that. And also

550
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.799
<v Speaker 3>this group is known to feed on plants like banana

551
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.720
<v Speaker 3>and certain plants that may have some chemicals in them

552
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.279
<v Speaker 3>that are volatile and smell nice. And so when the

553
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 3>caterpillar eats, it gets into the adult. And so these

554
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.240
<v Speaker 3>chemicals have taken a long journey and they have components

555
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 3>in them that are kind of like fruit like or

556
00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.519
<v Speaker 3>food like, and it's it's delicious. And there's some that

557
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.880
<v Speaker 3>smell like that. There's some that smell exactly like maple syrup,

558
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.759
<v Speaker 3>some that smell like cake, some that smell like barbecue,

559
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 3>potato chips.

560
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 1>That's so specific.

561
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 3>So if you guys ever catch a butterfly, please please

562
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 3>smell it and let me know. The black swallowtails that

563
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 3>you get around here, actually the tiger swallowtails as well,

564
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 3>the males in the US smell like fruit loops, like

565
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.119
<v Speaker 3>exactly like fruit loops.

566
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>How did you discover this? Is this the thing that

567
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.079
<v Speaker 1>lepid apterologists know about.

568
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:29.720
<v Speaker 3>They know and they kind of pass on. I think

569
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:34.319
<v Speaker 3>I probably sniff more than other lipidopterologies, but I just

570
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.720
<v Speaker 3>like using my nose. I think it's it is when

571
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:39.880
<v Speaker 3>you work a lot with animals, or when you work

572
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 3>a lot in the jungle, you start to use your

573
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.519
<v Speaker 3>senses a lot more. And not in like like b

574
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.839
<v Speaker 3>one with the earth way. It's just like you do

575
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.240
<v Speaker 3>because you notice, Okay, if you want to find monkeys

576
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 3>in the jungle, you don't crane your neck looking up,

577
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.559
<v Speaker 3>use your ears and you'll hear a little crash and

578
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, okay, that's a big crash, that's a capuchin.

579
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 3>If it's like a running crash, then that might be

580
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 3>a spider monkey or something. You start to use your

581
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 3>ears different and then also your nose because those resources

582
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.799
<v Speaker 3>like fermented fruit. If you are near a fruiting tree

583
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.519
<v Speaker 3>and you smell fermented fruit, you'd be like, oh, there

584
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 3>could be good butterflies over here. Or dead animals too

585
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 3>can attract certain things, or maybe you find a really

586
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.000
<v Speaker 3>cool dead animal that just died of natural causes, like

587
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 3>I found my first sloth was a sloth with a

588
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.680
<v Speaker 3>big bite out of it from like an ocelot or something.

589
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.160
<v Speaker 3>But I was like, how cool is this? And so

590
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.440
<v Speaker 3>we used the machete and cut off its head and

591
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.160
<v Speaker 3>then preserved its head in a way that we got

592
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 3>the skull, and then we were able to take that

593
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 3>around the local schools and equadornge show them a slow

594
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 3>skull and teach them about it. And sloth teeth do

595
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.240
<v Speaker 3>not mess around. They may be slow, but they got

596
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:44.279
<v Speaker 3>sharp teeth for cutting through. Yeah.

597
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.759
<v Speaker 1>I just want to interject to tell you that sloth

598
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>skulls I just looked it up. They look kind of

599
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 1>like a softball wearing dentures plus plastic Halloween vampire teeth,

600
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and they are cute as hell. What's the grossest thing

601
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:00.359
<v Speaker 1>that's happened to you in the jungle? You just about

602
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>beheading a dead rotting sloth? Yeah, which I can't imagine,

603
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 1>like the whack with a machete that must have been.

604
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.839
<v Speaker 3>I've done it with a dead puma too. It's I

605
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.240
<v Speaker 3>don't know, it's it's pretty gross, but you start to

606
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:15.880
<v Speaker 3>get a little It's like sad to see the dead things,

607
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.880
<v Speaker 3>for sure, but you kind of realize like, oh, we

608
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 3>can take this death and make something out of it.

609
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.000
<v Speaker 3>And I think skulls and bones are great educational tools,

610
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 3>and so you just do what you gotta do.

611
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been really really scared in the field.

612
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:35.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. I definitely do get scared sometimes, and

613
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:40.079
<v Speaker 3>I think that's okay. And one thing that helps is

614
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:42.319
<v Speaker 3>basically just to focus on my work. If I'm out

615
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 3>there at night, sometimes I'll hike a loan, which you

616
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 3>probably shouldn't do I just really focus on, Okay, what

617
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:48.519
<v Speaker 3>is my target that I'm looking for, if it's a

618
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.160
<v Speaker 3>spider or sleeping butterfly or anything like that. The main

619
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.119
<v Speaker 3>thing I don't know. We called the jungle scared Okay.

620
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.680
<v Speaker 3>That is like our term that we created where if

621
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:01.400
<v Speaker 3>you're out there, especially night in the jungle, even if

622
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 3>you're with a group during a survey, sometimes you just

623
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 3>get this creepy feeling that like you could turn and

624
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 3>your headlamp would look out and there'd be a jaguar

625
00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.160
<v Speaker 3>just like glaring backy you, with glowing eyes, and that

626
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.480
<v Speaker 3>would be really scary. So we call that the jungle scaredes,

627
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:15.160
<v Speaker 3>where like your mind kind of gets away from you.

628
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

629
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay, But Fill's greatest fear in the jungle just shocked

630
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 1>the socks off me. This is not what I was expecting.

631
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 1>Wait till you hear this. I just click baited you

632
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 1>in my own podcast. But seriously, you won't believe what

633
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 1>this entomologist fears most in the rainforest. Ooh, click click click.

634
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 3>My biggest fear in the jungle is trees. What trees?

635
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Why?

636
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Because they weigh so much, that's true, and tree falls

637
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:46.079
<v Speaker 3>are a very natural part of the cycle of the rainforest.

638
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.319
<v Speaker 3>About two to three percent of the rainforest is in

639
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.240
<v Speaker 3>the tree fall zone at any moment, and every single

640
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 3>day when you're in the jungle, you were here at

641
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 3>some point a big s and like sometimes you feel

642
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:02.240
<v Speaker 3>that you earth shake because a tree that could weigh,

643
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, a few thousand pounds just fell. And not

644
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 3>only did it fall, but there's vines everywhere, so it

645
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 3>took a bunch of trees next to it down. And

646
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 3>you can have this huge area cleared out that if

647
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 3>you were anywhere near, there's not a whole lot you

648
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 3>can do. And there was one time in Peru that

649
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 3>I was out hiking. I was about a mile from

650
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.119
<v Speaker 3>base camp and I hear this crazy loud storm come in.

651
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean it sounded like a train was coming. I

652
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.319
<v Speaker 3>never heard anything like that. And then the wind started.

653
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 3>And that is your biggest danger when it comes to trees,

654
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 3>it's rain and wind, because that's what will take them down.

655
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 3>And I just started, I mean I started hearing trees

656
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 3>come down, branches started falling, So I turned and sprint

657
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 3>it back. I've never sprinted a full mile, probably did

658
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 3>like a four minute fifty five second mile, and there

659
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:51.200
<v Speaker 3>was literally, I mean we're talking six four hundred pound

660
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 3>branches falling to my left and right a giant tree

661
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.400
<v Speaker 3>started falling, falling in the trail in front of me,

662
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:57.640
<v Speaker 3>and I had to kind of stop, and then I

663
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:01.599
<v Speaker 3>ran underneath it, and it was like crazy Indiana Jones

664
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 3>go over where. I was like, where's my hat that

665
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 3>I dropped? I got a grab and yeah, I got

666
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 3>back and I just you don't mess around with that

667
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.279
<v Speaker 3>kind of thing. And so there's a lot of times

668
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 3>that I've had to cancel hikes if rain is too

669
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 3>high or wind is too high, because you just don't

670
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 3>want to risk it. And I've had friends that have

671
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 3>left their bag somewhere and they come back, you know,

672
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 3>an hour later, and that bag is smashed by a

673
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 3>giant branch that fell from the sky. And so it

674
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:24.559
<v Speaker 3>can just happen.

675
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>And never knew. I never considered this, Yeah, I never.

676
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought maybe you could fall into a pit of alligators,

677
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 1>but I never for sure trees.

678
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:36.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, the animals, at least in the New

679
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 3>World tropics, so central South America, generally, you're you're pretty

680
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.160
<v Speaker 3>okay with most of the things that are down there.

681
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 3>There are some other tropics where you have other animals

682
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:48.119
<v Speaker 3>you need to be concerned about. But usually where I work,

683
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.039
<v Speaker 3>you're you're pretty good. Just don't get hit by a tree.

684
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh I have a question about gifts. Oh yeah, okay,

685
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>So I know that if you, let's say that you

686
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:00.799
<v Speaker 1>really like pigs or dragons or or you or something,

687
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 1>you get a lot of gifts with that. Do you

688
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.640
<v Speaker 1>get a lot of butterfly and moth gifts?

689
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Speaker 3>I do? I do, And I'm okay with it because

690
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 3>I remember somebody got me like a little kitty, you know,

691
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 3>is one of those like bug chamber things, like a

692
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:21.360
<v Speaker 3>little fold out thing that is aimed at judging by

693
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.559
<v Speaker 3>the font, probably aimed at like seven eight year olds, okay,

694
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, this thing's dope. And I carried

695
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 3>around my backpack in the field for like two years

696
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:30.320
<v Speaker 3>and I use it all the time when I found

697
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:31.960
<v Speaker 3>something cool, when I wanted to stick it in there,

698
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.039
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, this thing's collapsible. How great is this?

699
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:35.599
<v Speaker 3>I need to make this for adults too.

700
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I look this up and they're like five bucks on

701
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 1>the internet, ear in a toy store, and they look

702
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:44.800
<v Speaker 1>like tiny mesh collapsible laundry hampers the zip down flat,

703
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 1>so you can keep a bug catcher in your purse

704
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 1>or pocket at all times, like a six year old

705
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.719
<v Speaker 1>who might just need to hang out with a cricket

706
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.679
<v Speaker 1>or a firefly for a little bit. It's chill.

707
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 3>And also, my favorite thing about gifts and butterflies are

708
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:00.519
<v Speaker 3>the gifts that butterflies give each other such aspects. So

709
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 3>it's called a nuptial gift.

710
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh your god.

711
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 3>When let's say you love you love a female butterfly,

712
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.519
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, what do I do to impress her?

713
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.119
<v Speaker 3>So sometimes that tactic will be finding a source of sodium,

714
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 3>whether that be in mud or you know, piss or

715
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.840
<v Speaker 3>dead animal or jaguar boop. You get that sodium minium,

716
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.840
<v Speaker 3>and then you make a sperm packet this thing called

717
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.480
<v Speaker 3>a spermatophore, and you inject the whole thing into there.

718
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 3>So you're giving her sperm and salt.

719
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Wait a second, so you're giving her like a gift basket. Yeah,

720
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>that has your geas and then also just like a salt,

721
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>a salt junk.

722
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:46.920
<v Speaker 3>You're serious, yes, And it's because salt is generally pretty

723
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 3>rare out there. Plants don't have a lot of salt

724
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.719
<v Speaker 3>because it's poisonous to them, and so the males kind

725
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.800
<v Speaker 3>of say, hey, you're gonna need this to make some

726
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 3>nice eggs and for our babies to be happy together,

727
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 3>so they give her some salt. But there's also my

728
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 3>favorite nuptial gift is poison.

729
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.679
<v Speaker 1>What. Yes, that sucks, although I guess when you buy

730
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.039
<v Speaker 1>someone or drink at a bar, you're technically giving them poison,

731
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 1>that's right, Yeah, Like here's the poison.

732
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So there's this group, the glass wing butterflies, and

733
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 3>they are naturally chemically defended by the what they eat

734
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.280
<v Speaker 3>as a caterpillar, so they have a certain type of

735
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a cardentolid toxin in them that makes

736
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 3>them toxic to most things like birds, but spiders can

737
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 3>still eat them, and some other predators can still eat them.

738
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 3>So they need to get another toxin as an adult,

739
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 3>but only the males do it. So there's certain flowers

740
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 3>out there that you will very rarely find. So when

741
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 3>you do find them, you will find a swarm of

742
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.960
<v Speaker 3>like thirty males of a bunch of different species all

743
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 3>drinking up this nectar of these rare flowers to become

744
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.719
<v Speaker 3>poisonous themselves. Oh, my god, and they hold onto that

745
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.480
<v Speaker 3>poison until they mate, and then when they're poisonous, that

746
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 3>means that they're defended from things that would try to

747
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:02.360
<v Speaker 3>eat them, and people if scientists have done tests and

748
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.960
<v Speaker 3>found that spiders will reject eating them if they have

749
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.119
<v Speaker 3>drank from these flowers.

750
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 1>They take a chomp and they're like, oh hell no.

751
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the spiders somehow detect it, and other predators somehow

752
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 3>detect it or they've learned and yeah, and so they

753
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 3>hold onto it until they mate. Because the female doesn't

754
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.960
<v Speaker 3>go for those flowers. She's busy just being a female

755
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 3>flying around. And so when he mates, he gives her sperm,

756
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 3>but he also gives her that poison. I think he

757
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 3>gives about fifty percent of what he has to the female.

758
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and then he says, here's the gift of poison. Ps.

759
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:38.119
<v Speaker 3>Now you're protected for life. And it's like, it sounds

760
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:40.199
<v Speaker 3>kind of crazy to give that, But it doesn't even

761
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.159
<v Speaker 3>stop there, because then the eggs that she lays have

762
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.320
<v Speaker 3>like a thin layer of this poison on them too,

763
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 3>and protects them from things like parasitoids that would inject

764
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, eggs into those eggs. And so It's pretty

765
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.880
<v Speaker 3>cool thing that you can watch these butterflies swarm around

766
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 3>this flower knowing there after single chemical here that is

767
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 3>going to go into a female when the mates, and

768
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:03.719
<v Speaker 3>then into an egg when chi lay's eggs.

769
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>That's so romantic, it is.

770
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 3>I do not recommend giving the gift of poison. The

771
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 3>public disclaimer right now.

772
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Alcohol and perfume both poisonous.

773
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 3>That is true. Sure, that is true.

774
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>You've told me before, and I would like you to

775
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>expand upon this, but that butterflies are disgusting.

776
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Speaker 3>They are horribly disgusting.

777
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.039
<v Speaker 1>In what way because they're so beautiful.

778
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 3>They are beautiful, but they're disgusting, you guys. And you

779
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 3>find this out when you just spend enough time with them,

780
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 3>and it's I find it hilarious. Every time I see

781
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.559
<v Speaker 3>them do something even grosser. I'm just like, wow, you

782
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.360
<v Speaker 3>do not stop. So let's talk about we're on the

783
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 3>topic of mating. Let's talk about mating. They do things

784
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 3>like they have sperm plugs and when they mate with

785
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 3>the female they plug her up and say, no more

786
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 3>males inside you. It's kind of gross. They also have

787
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 3>some hooks sometimes that will like hook out the sperm

788
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.920
<v Speaker 3>from the previous male and stick their own sperm in there.

789
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.920
<v Speaker 3>They'll clean you out like a clean like a pip cleanter.

790
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 3>It's it is messy. Yeah, insect Genitalia can be pretty crazy.

791
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.320
<v Speaker 3>They feed on dead animals. I've seen some of the

792
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.960
<v Speaker 3>rarest butterflies feeding on dead animals that smell horrible.

793
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Those pictures don't make sense to me because like a

794
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 1>butterflies is a thing that's like on a Mother's Day card. Yeah,

795
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.039
<v Speaker 1>but it's also on a rotten carcass.

796
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we need to make some new Mother's Day cards

797
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.559
<v Speaker 3>to be like, I love you mom. Here's a dead animal,

798
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:34.679
<v Speaker 3>but look at the beautiful butterfly in that little corner.

799
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:39.199
<v Speaker 3>It's there nuggets. Yes, So they feed on dead animals.

800
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 3>They love poop, all sorts of poop, especially if you

801
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 3>eat some meat in there, they will get drunk. Another

802
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.599
<v Speaker 3>thing I've seen so a lot of it is to

803
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:53.000
<v Speaker 3>get rare resources. So when it comes to sodium. One

804
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 3>time had a butterfly that landed on my finger and

805
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, this is really nice, and I

806
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 3>was looking at what it was doing and it was

807
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.840
<v Speaker 3>drinking this off my finger and I was like, fingers

808
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:06.199
<v Speaker 3>sweaty sweaty fingers when you're out there, trust me, your

809
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.880
<v Speaker 3>fingers get sweaty. I don't want to. Yeah, it's gross.

810
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.920
<v Speaker 3>But after a while my sweat dried, but the butterflies

811
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.840
<v Speaker 3>still wanted to get that salt that was on my finger.

812
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.920
<v Speaker 3>So what did it do. It would pee on my

813
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 3>finger and then turn around and drink up that pea

814
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:27.599
<v Speaker 3>because that basically that pea, that liquid would absorb the

815
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.719
<v Speaker 3>little salt crystals and make it into a salty solution,

816
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.440
<v Speaker 3>and then it would turn around and drink it up.

817
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.119
<v Speaker 3>So I would just watch it basically, pete turn around,

818
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.480
<v Speaker 3>drink Pete turn around, drink on my finger. And I

819
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 3>was like, you disgusting creature. You're lucky, you're beautiful.

820
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 1>So that's a given. Mountain dew dried and you're like,

821
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I know one way to rehydrid.

822
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:50.719
<v Speaker 3>So gross, super gross.

823
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.840
<v Speaker 1>You like that about butterflies, that they have such a

824
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>beautiful public image but are like secretly super nasty.

825
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, there's so much more interesting the people

826
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.880
<v Speaker 3>give them credit for. And in the entomology world, people

827
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:05.440
<v Speaker 3>like to give each other a little bit of crap

828
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.280
<v Speaker 3>depending on what you study, and they'll be like, oh,

829
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:11.280
<v Speaker 3>you study micro moths, you must be weird. But butterflies

830
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:14.559
<v Speaker 3>seem like the easiest, most approachable insect to most people.

831
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.079
<v Speaker 3>So I think some entomologists will be like just kind

832
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.039
<v Speaker 3>of like dog on people who study butterflies because they're like, oh, like,

833
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 3>of course you study them because they're so pretty. I

834
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.920
<v Speaker 3>study these things that are horrible looking, yeah, like.

835
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Weird botflies, and like many toothed saber.

836
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Maggots exactly, I love those saber maggots.

837
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 1>So okay, saber maggots are not real, but botflies are

838
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.320
<v Speaker 1>very real, and they will lay a baby in your

839
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:44.039
<v Speaker 1>skin which hatches out like a little wormy surprise jumping

840
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>out of a birthday cake. And entomologists they brag about

841
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.199
<v Speaker 1>getting botflied, like Phil has expressed to me before his

842
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 1>chagrin and dismay and never having had one of these little, moist,

843
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:01.280
<v Speaker 1>miniature alien esque beings burst from his flesh. One day, Phil,

844
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>one day you'll get one. Oh okay, quick update. So

845
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Phil finally got his first buttfly. It was just about

846
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.519
<v Speaker 1>a year ago. It was g gnarly. It was just

847
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 1>a weeping, chewing, squirming baby maggot in his back. He

848
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 1>made videos about it on his Jungle Diaries YouTube channel.

849
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:21.960
<v Speaker 1>You can go back and find him also as long

850
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:25.760
<v Speaker 1>as you're following him. He does ace nature content on

851
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.559
<v Speaker 1>his TikTok these days, including some breathtaking slow mo he

852
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.519
<v Speaker 1>just posted today. He rigged up with an iPhone and

853
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 1>a hummingbird feeder. It's gonna make your whole day. And

854
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.119
<v Speaker 1>every day feels like a month lately, so it's gonna

855
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 1>make your whole month.

856
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.519
<v Speaker 3>And so we came up with an expression when I

857
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 3>was working in Ecuador. We said, only tough guys catch

858
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:50.920
<v Speaker 3>butterflies because there's like they're just very complicated. They do

859
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.719
<v Speaker 3>gross things, they have really interesting behaviors. They're a really

860
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 3>good model to study and they Yeah, you have to

861
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.280
<v Speaker 3>be really tough to get out there and study these things.

862
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, you can fall into a volcano chasing an

863
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.639
<v Speaker 1>invisible butterfly. And then the jungle is a tangle of

864
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 1>dangers and beauty and mystery. Not to mention, there is

865
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the ever present mystery of transformation that I feel like

866
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:21.239
<v Speaker 1>that is one thing that just boggles everyone about butterflies,

867
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that they are capable of such an extreme makeover, Yeah,

868
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.559
<v Speaker 1>such a rebranding. What is happening when you have a

869
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.239
<v Speaker 1>chubby caterpillar. You have a tube of guts and then

870
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.880
<v Speaker 1>it pieces out is like catch it later gone fishing,

871
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 1>and then it comes out as a different creature. I've

872
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>heard that they have the same memories and the same aversions.

873
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.880
<v Speaker 3>I think there have been some studies that have showed that, yes,

874
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:50.719
<v Speaker 3>some of those memories and aversions can last into an adult.

875
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.599
<v Speaker 3>Some people think that they entirely turn to goo inside

876
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 3>and then just reform. They don't entirely. There are still

877
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.199
<v Speaker 3>some parts that remain, these things called image discs that

878
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.400
<v Speaker 3>have been with them for a long time and actually

879
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 3>inside some late in star caterpillars, meaning they're they're very

880
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.880
<v Speaker 3>mature caterpillars about to pupate. You will actually have little

881
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:14.519
<v Speaker 3>bits of butterfly in them, so they're already starting to

882
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 3>change before they get in there. Okay, And then they

883
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:18.800
<v Speaker 3>get in there, a lot of them goes down, but

884
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.480
<v Speaker 3>the imaginal disc will turn into things like their eyes

885
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 3>or their wings and that kind of thing. And so

886
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:26.639
<v Speaker 3>it's it is a lot of work, and it is

887
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.480
<v Speaker 3>really amazing. But there's some people out there. Our friend

888
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.360
<v Speaker 3>Aaron Palmerantz is an example of somebody who has figured

889
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 3>out a way to cut a little window into a

890
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.760
<v Speaker 3>pupa what and then you can actually watch what happens

891
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:40.639
<v Speaker 3>on the inside.

892
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.559
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. How the hell does he do that?

893
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Just a very tiny knife and a lot of patience,

894
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 3>some soran rap, yes, and so you can actually see

895
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 3>what's going on inside. So scientists have a pretty cool idea.

896
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:57.320
<v Speaker 3>They've done like MRIs or crazy scans on them to

897
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.239
<v Speaker 3>watch this transformation over time. But it is I mean,

898
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:01.760
<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of things in nature that just

899
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 3>blow your mind. And that is something that is happening

900
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.639
<v Speaker 3>every day around the world. And every kid has done.

901
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.599
<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of kids grow caterpillars into adult

902
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.360
<v Speaker 3>butterflies in that stage. Is truly impressive and really wild.

903
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Now the DNA is the same, right is a DNA

904
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.480
<v Speaker 1>expression changing? Like how does I just have no idea

905
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:21.360
<v Speaker 1>how it works?

906
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So yeah, there will be genes that get expressed differently.

907
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 3>It is fascinating how some of the genes will turn

908
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:28.639
<v Speaker 3>on at different times of their life or turn off

909
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:31.199
<v Speaker 3>at different times of their life. And it's it's all

910
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:33.559
<v Speaker 3>stored in that same nucleus. I mean, their DNA has

911
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.519
<v Speaker 3>all the information to do all of these things throughout

912
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:36.960
<v Speaker 3>its life.

913
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:38.239
<v Speaker 1>And now can you tell me the difference between a

914
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>cocoon and a chrystalist, because I know that those things

915
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:42.760
<v Speaker 1>get used a lot wrongly. And does it piss you off?

916
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't piss me off, because I mess it up

917
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.079
<v Speaker 3>sometimes too, Okay, but just don't do it. Okay, if

918
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 3>you're listening at home, it's going to start to piss

919
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.480
<v Speaker 3>me off now because you've heard me explain it. So,

920
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:56.400
<v Speaker 3>chrystalis is what a butterfly creates, okay. And it's just

921
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.760
<v Speaker 3>a single little wrapping on the outside, and they're right

922
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.639
<v Speaker 3>on the inside there, so you can actually see their

923
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 3>abdomen still, you can kind of see the wings a

924
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 3>little bit in there, and you can if you poke it,

925
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:11.079
<v Speaker 3>it'll wriggle a little bit. And so that is a chrysalis.

926
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:16.239
<v Speaker 3>A cocoon has a pupa inside, Okay, So that pupa

927
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:20.880
<v Speaker 3>is basically equivalent to the chrysalis, where it is everything

928
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 3>self contained right there. But the cocoon is this silky

929
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.639
<v Speaker 3>thing wrapped around the pupa. And that's what a lot

930
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:29.480
<v Speaker 3>of moths will do is they make a cocoon and

931
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.239
<v Speaker 3>they take they make little silk, or they'll use their

932
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:34.639
<v Speaker 3>hairs on their body and they make a little protective thing,

933
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.199
<v Speaker 3>and then inside that protective thing they will pupe eate.

934
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:42.039
<v Speaker 3>They will spend the winter as a cocoon and then

935
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 3>hatch in the spring. And so that layer of protection

936
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.519
<v Speaker 3>that the cocoon creates allows them to survive. And you know,

937
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.559
<v Speaker 3>withstand the elements in that kind of thing.

938
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.320
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of times when they change from one

939
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 1>instar to the when they upgrade their instain and they

940
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 1>get a little chubbier, they don't they eat their skin.

941
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:00.679
<v Speaker 1>I seem to remember that when I volunteering at the

942
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 1>butterfly and they.

943
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:03.599
<v Speaker 3>Will, especially when the hats, they'll eat their egg.

944
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Remember when I was talking about those in stars, those

945
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like Russian nesting dolls. So caterpillars will molt into the

946
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 1>bigger size, kind of like they're unzipping their skin like

947
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 1>a sleeping bag, and then unlike a sleeping bag, they'll

948
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:20.079
<v Speaker 1>eat it after they'll just i'm nomina because it's made

949
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.719
<v Speaker 1>out of them and they need to make more of themselves,

950
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 1>so they just use that raw material. I was so

951
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:29.599
<v Speaker 1>enthused to learn this fact in a museum volunteer seminar

952
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.320
<v Speaker 1>about butterflies, but quite Frankly, I was more amused to

953
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 1>look up at the presenter's PowerPoint and see that on

954
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:42.119
<v Speaker 1>their computer desktop they labeled the Butterfly keynote folder. But stuff.

955
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.519
<v Speaker 1>I think of that often and it makes my day. Also,

956
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.960
<v Speaker 1>thank you to patrons and sponsors of the show for

957
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 1>making it possible to donate to a cause of the

958
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 1>ologists choosing each week, and this week a donation is

959
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.239
<v Speaker 1>going to go to the Xerxes Society that's at Xerxes

960
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.679
<v Speaker 1>dot org. You're gonna hear more about them later in

961
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.039
<v Speaker 1>the show. Oh, you're gonna be like, wow, Xerxes dot org.

962
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I like you a lot, so we donated to them. Also,

963
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:06.559
<v Speaker 1>I just texted Phil to see if he has a

964
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 1>COVID nineteen related charity he wants to donate to, and

965
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>he chose Meals on Wheels, which is providing food and

966
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.280
<v Speaker 1>home checks and gift baskets and even just notes to

967
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 1>seniors during this not easy time. And they are at

968
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Meals on Wheelsamerica dot org. Great choice. Well, so those

969
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>donations were made possible by sponsors of the show. We

970
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.719
<v Speaker 1>may hear about now, all right, so let's answer some

971
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:33.760
<v Speaker 1>friggin' questions. Thanks patrons, for sending these in. You ready?

972
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Why am I singing? I'm excited? Are you ready for

973
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>a rapid fire around?

974
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh goodness, hit me?

975
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.159
<v Speaker 1>I got so many questions. Okay, over forty, but I'm

976
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna try and blaze through. You don't have to do

977
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:48.039
<v Speaker 1>rapid fire, but.

978
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.719
<v Speaker 3>We got a lot, so just challenge accepted. You ready,

979
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:51.320
<v Speaker 3>where's it go?

980
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

981
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Butterfly time.

982
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Brian Edge wants to know why are they not called flutterbys?

983
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:58.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, let's start a public campaign and change this.

984
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it all right, flutterbys should just be what

985
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:02.480
<v Speaker 1>they're called.

986
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I think the name butterfly comes from. There's

987
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 3>a few theories, but supposedly this came from like Europe

988
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 3>or the or England or something where one of the

989
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.400
<v Speaker 3>common butterflies around there is a sulfur which is kind

990
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 3>of yellowe and it looks like butterflying. But that might

991
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:21.239
<v Speaker 3>just be people these days being like this makes sense.

992
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's say that that's the case. But it's so, yeah,

993
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 3>that is why.

994
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm going to look into that. Yeah, because that's

995
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 1>really cute. It is very cute. They're just gonna be butterflying.

996
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Let's a butterfly damn cute, so quick fact check on this.

997
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:41.159
<v Speaker 1>It's split. Some folks think butterfly came from but flogu,

998
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 1>meaning to beatfly as the wings beat, but honestly I

999
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 1>prefer the alternate entomology, which is that they're named after

1000
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.960
<v Speaker 1>floating paths of fat. Also, the German word for butterfly

1001
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:58.800
<v Speaker 1>translates to thief of dairy protein or butter liquor or.

1002
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.519
<v Speaker 1>People also think it could be because they excrete a

1003
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:06.079
<v Speaker 1>yellowish substance that looks like melted butter. The Dutch for

1004
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:12.119
<v Speaker 1>butterfly translates to butter crapper. So between milk liquor and butterpooper,

1005
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.119
<v Speaker 1>you now have so many friendly, low key insults in

1006
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:21.159
<v Speaker 1>your arsenal. No our intended there, Clark Rake wants to know.

1007
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Growing up, it seemed like there was an abundance of

1008
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.760
<v Speaker 1>butterflies through the summers monarchs. Especially these days, I'm lucky

1009
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:27.679
<v Speaker 1>to spot even one through the summers. Is this just

1010
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.519
<v Speaker 1>a drop, is it my region Ontario? Or is there

1011
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:33.079
<v Speaker 1>a real population decline?

1012
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:35.639
<v Speaker 3>There is a real population decline, And when it comes

1013
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.519
<v Speaker 3>to conservation in the US, I always think that the

1014
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.440
<v Speaker 3>minimum standard we should have is that future generations of

1015
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.519
<v Speaker 3>kids get to see butterflies flying around their backyard like

1016
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:48.559
<v Speaker 3>that should happen. That was something that in my backyard

1017
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.599
<v Speaker 3>was happening all the time, and I loved it. And

1018
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:52.719
<v Speaker 3>if we've messed up our ecosystem so much that we

1019
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 3>don't have butterflies for our future generations to see, we've

1020
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 3>made a big mistake. And we're certainly on the way there.

1021
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.679
<v Speaker 3>And that's a good observation that people are actually seeing less.

1022
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:05.800
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of that has to do with things

1023
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:09.960
<v Speaker 3>like monarchs their migration along the way. There aren't as

1024
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:11.960
<v Speaker 3>many flowers for them to drink from. There aren't as

1025
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 3>many milkweed plants for them to lay eggs on. It

1026
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.320
<v Speaker 3>has to do a lot with our agriculture with we've

1027
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 3>done a lot of habitat destruction. When it comes to developments,

1028
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 3>the best thing you can do, everybody can do this

1029
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 3>if you have a yard or a patio or anything,

1030
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.679
<v Speaker 3>is to plant native plants. So there's a great website

1031
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Xerxes Society Xercees. They will have great listings to show

1032
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.239
<v Speaker 3>what you should plant there. And it makes a big

1033
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.639
<v Speaker 3>difference because if you're putting out any plant, any flour,

1034
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.280
<v Speaker 3>and you see butterflies come there and drink formad or

1035
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.559
<v Speaker 3>lay eggs on there. That means that that was previously

1036
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 3>missing from the ecosystem there. We need more and more

1037
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 3>and more to help boost those populations and help them

1038
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.400
<v Speaker 3>sustain what we've done to our area.

1039
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 1>So make sure that you plant something native. Yes, and

1040
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.519
<v Speaker 1>you can check on the website and be like, uh.

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00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Huh for sure. Yeah, something for the adults, so some

1042
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:05.880
<v Speaker 3>really nice. Some of the cone flowers are great, butterflies

1043
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.000
<v Speaker 3>love drinking those for the nectar. And then something for

1044
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.400
<v Speaker 3>the caterpillars too, so there's a lot and like the

1045
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.679
<v Speaker 3>carrot family, that will be really good for some caterpillars.

1046
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.000
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of options out there.

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00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, oh killer. Also it's just like party at my patio. Yea,

1048
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 1>butterflies for sure invited. I got what you like to drink,

1049
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Please do come over. So once again, that is the

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00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Xerxes Society for Invertebrate Conservation and they're at xerxes dot org.

1051
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.880
<v Speaker 1>This site is great. I just poked all around it.

1052
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:36.760
<v Speaker 1>You can click on your part of the country and

1053
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a whole list of region specific pollinator plants come up,

1054
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 1>so you don't have to worry like, what if I

1055
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.719
<v Speaker 1>plant did the wrong thing, It'll tell you what to plant.

1056
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 1>And the name Xerxes is in honor of the first

1057
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.039
<v Speaker 1>North American butterfly to go extinct, wamp wamp, because of

1058
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:55.400
<v Speaker 1>human activity. But the nonprofit was started by a doctor,

1059
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Robert Michael Pyle, who was a butterfly biologist and author.

1060
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:01.639
<v Speaker 1>He's still he's very much alive. I looked up a

1061
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:03.480
<v Speaker 1>photo of him and I found one where he has

1062
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 1>these bright blue eyes that peer out from around a

1063
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.880
<v Speaker 1>halo of white, wiry hair, all framed by the snowy

1064
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.159
<v Speaker 1>bush of a beard and over his shoulders. In this

1065
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:18.719
<v Speaker 1>one photo, he's wearing a cloak of pea green moss

1066
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.559
<v Speaker 1>from a nearby fallen tree. And I just like, I

1067
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.440
<v Speaker 1>want to kick back and drink rotten nectar with this dude.

1068
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:28.320
<v Speaker 1>I want to be his friend. Phil hook it up.

1069
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Wright wants to know are there any moths or

1070
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.119
<v Speaker 1>butterflies that will actually eat you? Or is my fear

1071
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:35.679
<v Speaker 1>of them completely irrational?

1072
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry to tell you, but your fear is rational.

1073
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:39.719
<v Speaker 1>No.

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00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:44.280
<v Speaker 3>So there is a real thing called a vampire moth.

1075
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:48.079
<v Speaker 3>This is such a lie, This is this is absolutely real.

1076
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:52.679
<v Speaker 3>I think the genus is called Calyptera, and they have

1077
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 3>a piercing mouth part and a lot of times they

1078
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.239
<v Speaker 3>they'll find them like on cattle or something out there.

1079
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.400
<v Speaker 3>But I think they have have landed on humans and

1080
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:03.880
<v Speaker 3>like pierced to them and then drank their blood.

1081
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:06.639
<v Speaker 1>This does not feel like a real story. Phil Torras,

1082
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Please tell me.

1083
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 3>If this is If this is this is totally real?

1084
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:10.599
<v Speaker 1>What?

1085
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:11.239
<v Speaker 3>What?

1086
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:13.440
<v Speaker 1>This cannot be real?

1087
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:15.400
<v Speaker 3>And what I love about it is the way that

1088
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 3>they think it evolved is from previously feeding on fruit.

1089
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:21.639
<v Speaker 3>So if you feed on fruit, you need to be

1090
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:24.119
<v Speaker 3>able to pierce that skin of the fruit, right, So

1091
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:26.960
<v Speaker 3>they've evolved this proboscis that's kind of pointing at the end.

1092
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

1093
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.239
<v Speaker 3>And then imagine this scenario where one of these butterflies

1094
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.519
<v Speaker 3>that was feeding on fruit landed on some mammal and

1095
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:35.960
<v Speaker 3>maybe was drinking its salt or something like that, and

1096
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.800
<v Speaker 3>then accidentally pierced through the skin and then got a

1097
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:41.599
<v Speaker 3>mouthful of blood. And then that one was like, wow,

1098
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.360
<v Speaker 3>I have like super powers and can lay a million

1099
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 3>eggs and maybe with a million females, so they had

1100
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:49.840
<v Speaker 3>higher reproductive success. And then that gene and that behavior

1101
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:55.039
<v Speaker 3>just evolved into them, and so it all came from

1102
00:54:55.320 --> 00:55:00.239
<v Speaker 3>piercing fruit. And what in my like science fiction future

1103
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 3>of the world in like a million years, that's going

1104
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:07.760
<v Speaker 3>to be more commonplace because there are butterflies, especially in

1105
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 3>the tracks, and a subfamily that will feed on fruit

1106
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.079
<v Speaker 3>all the time, and they have very sharp proboscuses and

1107
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.280
<v Speaker 3>so they can pierce right through a fruit to drink it,

1108
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.960
<v Speaker 3>and so they basically have the right scenario set to

1109
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 3>evolve into drinking human blood. So I would just love to, like,

1110
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, you, like go into the future in a

1111
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:30.599
<v Speaker 3>time machine. You come out and be like, where are

1112
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.480
<v Speaker 3>all the humans? Then all of a sudden, you're just

1113
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 3>like surrounded by butterflies that are beautiful and landing on

1114
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:38.559
<v Speaker 3>you and piercing your skin and drinking your blood dry.

1115
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:43.760
<v Speaker 1>The future sucks, so naturally. I looked up the vampire moth,

1116
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and despite its hell and death metal habits, it looks

1117
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:52.760
<v Speaker 1>very bige, very unassuming, very normcore. So is that the

1118
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:56.320
<v Speaker 1>most goth moth I'm feeling like, no, I think that

1119
00:55:56.440 --> 00:56:00.400
<v Speaker 1>the climbing moth might take it. Hear me out. It's

1120
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 1>this lily white moth with a black, velvety upside. Down

1121
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.840
<v Speaker 1>cross on its wings, and it looks very much like

1122
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:11.960
<v Speaker 1>it would fly into a hot topic and try to

1123
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.280
<v Speaker 1>eat a wool cape. But then, in a quest to

1124
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.880
<v Speaker 1>find the Gothis moth, I have to land perhaps on

1125
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 1>the legendary lepidoptera from Silence of the.

1126
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Lamps, Agent Starling meets mister Acharantia sticks Weird, better known

1127
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.000
<v Speaker 3>to his friends as the Death's Head moth.

1128
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:34.960
<v Speaker 1>So Deathhead moth. It's got a skull on his face.

1129
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:38.000
<v Speaker 1>It's named after a river and hell, and it tricks

1130
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:41.039
<v Speaker 1>bees and eats their honey. This is a clear winner

1131
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 1>of the Gothis moth pageant. Thank you for taking this

1132
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:47.920
<v Speaker 1>journey with me. No wait, really quick diversion. Speaking of movies,

1133
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:49.800
<v Speaker 1>do you have a favorite butterfly movie? How do you

1134
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.679
<v Speaker 1>feel about the butterfly effect? Is there any any movies

1135
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that get butterflies right or wrong?

1136
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

1137
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot to get them wrong. Bugs Life is

1138
00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:59.920
<v Speaker 3>like still one of my favorite movies ever. It's pretty great,

1139
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:03.400
<v Speaker 3>make some mistakes, but I like it. When I was

1140
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:06.119
<v Speaker 3>in college, we had an entomology club that we started,

1141
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:11.079
<v Speaker 3>and we would get together and we would watch like

1142
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:14.280
<v Speaker 3>really bad movies with insect themes. Oh, my God, and

1143
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 3>like we would watch Erectrophobe and be like, oh, that

1144
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.000
<v Speaker 3>butterfly isn't found on that continent, and like make all

1145
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:23.559
<v Speaker 3>these like snarky remarks, and so most people get it wrong.

1146
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:25.719
<v Speaker 3>But the butterfly affect the movie. That is one hundred

1147
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:30.480
<v Speaker 3>percent accurate. Every butterfly flap that happens, that changes the

1148
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.159
<v Speaker 3>entire world. That's just so it's not true.

1149
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:37.960
<v Speaker 1>It's not well, you got me with the vampire butterflies, Yes,

1150
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.199
<v Speaker 1>for a minute there. So Julie wants to know how

1151
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.480
<v Speaker 1>long do butterflies live and what does a day in

1152
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the life of a butterfly look like.

1153
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's a good question. So most butterflies will live

1154
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:51.480
<v Speaker 3>maybe around two weeks, you could say, and their life

1155
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.599
<v Speaker 3>if they're male, it'll be you know, getting some good resources.

1156
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Lots of times it'll be defending a territory. Some we'll

1157
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:58.960
<v Speaker 3>just kind of hang out in a patch of flowers

1158
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.800
<v Speaker 3>or hang out side of a tree and kind of

1159
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:03.800
<v Speaker 3>defend that and waiting for a female to come by.

1160
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.119
<v Speaker 3>And for female, same thing, she's gonna be drinking nectar.

1161
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 3>But then like floating around a little bit easier, and

1162
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.119
<v Speaker 3>you can actually usually tell the difference between a male

1163
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:15.559
<v Speaker 3>and female butterfly and flight just by kind of watching

1164
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:18.360
<v Speaker 3>the speed, and the males kind of fly around like

1165
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.159
<v Speaker 3>they got somewhere to go, and they're a little bit

1166
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:23.280
<v Speaker 3>more rapid and jittery and like, hey, are you a male?

1167
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:24.599
<v Speaker 3>Get out of here and that kind of thing.

1168
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.679
<v Speaker 1>So wait, they have like a horny swagger.

1169
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.719
<v Speaker 3>Basically, it's like they spray too much axon in the

1170
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:31.280
<v Speaker 3>morning and they're like, I got this.

1171
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>And espress, so who wants to do it? Who wants

1172
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:35.280
<v Speaker 1>to do it?

1173
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 3>And then the females kind of just float around. They're

1174
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:40.519
<v Speaker 3>like these beautiful little things that are just a little

1175
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:42.719
<v Speaker 3>bit floppier up in the air, a little bit more

1176
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:46.320
<v Speaker 3>like a cartoon butterfly you would see. And generally they're

1177
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:48.079
<v Speaker 3>just kind of saying, okay, is there a male that's

1178
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:50.360
<v Speaker 3>gonna approach me? Or let's say I'm regular lay eggs.

1179
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.599
<v Speaker 3>They're smelling the air with their antennae to figure out

1180
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 3>where is the host plant that I need that specific

1181
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.800
<v Speaker 3>type of plant to lay an egg. So they're just

1182
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:01.480
<v Speaker 3>kind of cruising, sniffing the air and enjoy the day,

1183
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:02.119
<v Speaker 3>and for.

1184
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Two weeks they got a lifespan two.

1185
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Generally two weeks, and then you have some exceptions, especially

1186
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:11.599
<v Speaker 3>migratory species like the monarchs, the ones that overwinter in Mexico.

1187
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 3>They live for months and they can travel super far,

1188
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's pretty cool.

1189
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I just went there and you posted video and there

1190
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.400
<v Speaker 1>were millions of monarchs. So look for the video called

1191
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the Butterfly Migration on Phil's YouTube channel, The Jungle Diaries.

1192
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.599
<v Speaker 1>So did Phil loose his mind? Spoiler alert?

1193
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.199
<v Speaker 3>I lost my mind. I think it's about ten million

1194
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 3>monarchs per acre, okay, something like that, and it was insane.

1195
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:41.280
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy, ten million monarchs per acre.

1196
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:44.360
<v Speaker 3>It was so there's so many butterflies around that it

1197
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 3>was loud. You would hear this like like this this

1198
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.599
<v Speaker 3>rustling of you know, a single butterfly flies by you

1199
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:54.440
<v Speaker 3>and flaps its wing. You won't hear that. But if

1200
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 3>you put ten million around you, all of a sudden, all

1201
00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:00.559
<v Speaker 3>those micro noises add up into like filling the entire

1202
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:03.320
<v Speaker 3>forest with this like whispering sound. You can hear it,

1203
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.599
<v Speaker 3>but that's no wind. That is the sound of millions

1204
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:11.679
<v Speaker 3>of butterflies flying around me right now, And it's probably

1205
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:17.559
<v Speaker 3>my favorite sound ever. It was just one of the

1206
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:20.920
<v Speaker 3>most magical things, and it really solidifies our need for

1207
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.679
<v Speaker 3>conservation in the US and our need to put more

1208
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:26.719
<v Speaker 3>native plants out there. Because growing up, when I first

1209
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:30.519
<v Speaker 3>learned about these monarchs migrating down to this forest in Mexico,

1210
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.480
<v Speaker 3>we were always taught like, oh, the Mexicans better protect

1211
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 3>this forest because if they don't, then the butterflies won't

1212
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.079
<v Speaker 3>have any place to overwinter, and it's going to be

1213
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 3>their fault. And they've done a pretty good job actually

1214
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.079
<v Speaker 3>protecting the forest. It's not perfect, but they've incorporated it

1215
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.800
<v Speaker 3>into their local tourism, so it's providing good income and

1216
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:50.000
<v Speaker 3>more motivation not to cut down the forest. But the

1217
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:53.880
<v Speaker 3>reason why butterfly populations have been dropping now the monarchs

1218
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:55.880
<v Speaker 3>is because of what we've done here in the US.

1219
01:00:56.159 --> 01:01:01.239
<v Speaker 3>We've decimated their migration routes. We have, you know, used

1220
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:04.519
<v Speaker 3>certain herbicides that have killed out all the milkweed in

1221
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:06.880
<v Speaker 3>certain areas, so they don't have anywhere to lay their eggs.

1222
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.400
<v Speaker 3>So it was very interesting when you're down there and

1223
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:12.960
<v Speaker 3>you look around at these butterflies and say, you could

1224
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.119
<v Speaker 3>have flown here from Canada, you could have flown here

1225
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.840
<v Speaker 3>from Montana, you could have flown here from South Carolina.

1226
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:20.480
<v Speaker 3>Each one has a different story behind it, and you

1227
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.400
<v Speaker 3>can imagine how many times it could have died or

1228
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:26.800
<v Speaker 3>needed a flour had all these things happened to it.

1229
01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:30.159
<v Speaker 3>And then they end up right there in this forest

1230
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:31.920
<v Speaker 3>and it's really something.

1231
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Now is that all those are during the winter months

1232
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 1>or right before spreading?

1233
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay, winter months, so basically November two February is the peak,

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01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:41.119
<v Speaker 3>I would say.

1235
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:44.880
<v Speaker 1>So like, get your tickets for the Mexican Butterfly Forest,

1236
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:45.840
<v Speaker 1>like now.

1237
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:48.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm actually going to be leading trips out there

1238
01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:49.920
<v Speaker 3>next year. So if you guys want to come, just

1239
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:51.559
<v Speaker 3>follow me and I'll be posting about it.

1240
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.639
<v Speaker 1>So Phil and another friend of ours, doctor Jason Goldman,

1241
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:59.119
<v Speaker 1>lead trips through Atlas Obscuris. So follow Phil on social media,

1242
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.639
<v Speaker 1>go to his web site in the show notes, or

1243
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:04.440
<v Speaker 1>check at Less Obscura. It may not be booking yet,

1244
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.400
<v Speaker 1>but keep checking back. They'll announce it. Heather Crowther wants

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<v Speaker 1>to know. I know touching butterfly wings can really hurt them,

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<v Speaker 1>but why what's happening? Is it the oils on our

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01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:14.840
<v Speaker 1>hands reacting with something? What's happening when you touch a

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<v Speaker 1>butterfly without consent?

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<v Speaker 3>Not a whole lot. What So a lot of people

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01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:21.960
<v Speaker 3>out there, will you know, if they see an image

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01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:24.239
<v Speaker 3>of me, like holding a butterfly by its wings or something,

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01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:26.559
<v Speaker 3>they'll be like, oh, you're killing it, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>not the case. Now, there are very specific ways to

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<v Speaker 3>hold a butterfly that I'm good at where you minimize

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01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:35.159
<v Speaker 3>the amount of damage because generally, if you're touching it wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>you're rubbing all the scales off of it, or you

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01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:39.239
<v Speaker 3>might tear its wing a little bit because their wings

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01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:42.199
<v Speaker 3>are pretty sensitive, so you definitely don't want to damage

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<v Speaker 3>the wing. I do not recommend anybody touching a butterfly,

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01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:49.719
<v Speaker 3>but you probably won't kill it unless you like really

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<v Speaker 3>get into there. And so, yeah, they're tougher than they look.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. I always felt like it was

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<v Speaker 1>like if you touch a fly, like it will find

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<v Speaker 1>a corner. It will be like see you later, you've

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01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:04.960
<v Speaker 1>killed it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not true, not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Shirley wants to know what's the largest butterfly ever recorded.

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<v Speaker 3>The Queen Alexandra's birdwing. Okay, they found down in like

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<v Speaker 3>Papua New Guinea in certain areas there, and I want

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<v Speaker 3>to say it's the females have like a eleven inch

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<v Speaker 3>wingspan something like that. It's huge. And the first entomologist

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<v Speaker 3>who went down there to collect this thing, they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have giant butterfly nets because they fly way up high,

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<v Speaker 3>so the only way they could collect them is with

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01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:36.159
<v Speaker 3>the shotgun. So they would take a shotgun, aim it

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01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.159
<v Speaker 3>up and then bang, shoot this thing out of the

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01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:40.639
<v Speaker 3>sky and they'd be like, whoa, there's a butterfly. And

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<v Speaker 3>so some of the oldest specimens i'm sure in like

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01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:45.960
<v Speaker 3>the London Museum and that kind of thing have shotgun

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01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:46.519
<v Speaker 3>holes in them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>A queen Queen Alexandra's bird wing, Oh my god, which

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01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:55.360
<v Speaker 3>is a very endangered species, and it's one of the

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01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:00.159
<v Speaker 3>few that collecting it has made it endangered. Generally, there's

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01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:02.679
<v Speaker 3>so many butterflies that go around habitat destruction is the

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01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 3>big thing, and collecting it is not really a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>But some of those they are protected species. A lot

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01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:11.079
<v Speaker 3>of the bird wings because they're so big and really beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>The females look different than the males, really gorgeous, incredible species,

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01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:19.440
<v Speaker 3>and so sometimes people will collect them just to for

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<v Speaker 3>art or just to own them, rather than collect them

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<v Speaker 3>for data or for science to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>So there caterpillars. Are they the size of hot talks?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Probably brought worst, Okay, I'm sure they are huge.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some big caterpillars out there.

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<v Speaker 1>That brings me to a personal question about our own collection.

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<v Speaker 1>It's bad that I have a butterfly collection and dead

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01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:41.679
<v Speaker 1>butterflies that I have purchased.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not, okay, it depends on you want to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure it's the right species. There are some that are protected,

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<v Speaker 3>some that are endangered in the wild. You definitely don't

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01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:55.639
<v Speaker 3>want to have those for that, I think if you're

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01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:59.159
<v Speaker 3>doing it right and you're spreading appreciation, okay, that is okay.

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01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:02.239
<v Speaker 3>A lot of these are actually bread in facilities and

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01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:04.960
<v Speaker 3>they're not like collected in the wild because while butterflies

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01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:08.719
<v Speaker 3>they get pretty pretty beat up pretty quick. You can

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<v Speaker 3>actually tell the age of a butterfly depending on how

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01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:13.920
<v Speaker 3>beat up it is generally, and only a couple days

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01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.639
<v Speaker 3>in they'll have some clips on their wings, or they'll

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01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:19.119
<v Speaker 3>have some dusty spots, and so that that's not going

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01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:21.440
<v Speaker 3>to be nice to display a home, so people will

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01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:24.199
<v Speaker 3>breathe them and that provides a good income for people

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01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:26.719
<v Speaker 3>and motivates them to protect the forest and protect the

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01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:29.440
<v Speaker 3>native plants in some corner of the world. So I

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01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:31.920
<v Speaker 3>think it's like, it's a cool product that can come

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01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:33.880
<v Speaker 3>out of these places and can be done in a

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01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:37.440
<v Speaker 3>ethical and sustainable and conservation minded way.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Lexi Fitter says, I've heard that butterfly bushes are

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<v Speaker 1>now considered invasive and are bad for butterflies. Why is

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<v Speaker 1>this ps I live in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's talking about bootleo, which is a butterfly bush,

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01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:51.960
<v Speaker 3>and that was the one maybe you know, in the

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<v Speaker 3>nineties early two thousands, everybody was like, plant this plant

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01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:58.719
<v Speaker 3>because it's a big bush. It has these really big

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01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.480
<v Speaker 3>hours on it that are just really pretty colored. And

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01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:05.360
<v Speaker 3>I planted a lot when I was a kid. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's a tricky one because they are not native. There

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01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:11.800
<v Speaker 3>are native options that you can go for that do

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<v Speaker 3>a similar effect. And generally when you plant non native things,

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01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:21.480
<v Speaker 3>you're slightly sterilizing your environment because yes, it may attract

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01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:24.239
<v Speaker 3>things that will feed on the nectar, but there's no

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<v Speaker 3>caterpillars that are going to feed on the leaves. And

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<v Speaker 3>if there's no caterpillars on the leaves and there's no

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<v Speaker 3>birds feeding on those caterpillars or spider's crawing on that,

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01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:36.960
<v Speaker 3>and so it basically takes away this opportunity for life.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a tricky thing. It's a personal decision. If you

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01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:42.039
<v Speaker 3>had the time and just google what's the best native

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01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 3>thing to plant here instead, that would clearly be the winner.

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<v Speaker 1>John Worster in Casey Handmler want to know, essentially, how

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01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:54.480
<v Speaker 1>do some butterflies fly so long? Are they just on

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01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the wind currents or are they really that bad ass?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a little bit of wind current, a little bit

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01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:02.519
<v Speaker 3>of bad ass, And every butterfly the thorax will be

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01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:04.400
<v Speaker 3>a little bit different. So the thorax is where they

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01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:07.320
<v Speaker 3>keep all their big muscles for flight and for walking around.

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01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:10.639
<v Speaker 3>So some butterflies, you grab the thorax and you're like

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01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:13.960
<v Speaker 3>that thing is buff, like they like they work out

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01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and you'll really feel the strength of these flight muscles.

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01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:20.760
<v Speaker 3>And some insects, like beetles, the big ones that when

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01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:23.000
<v Speaker 3>they fly and you feel the thorax, it's actually like

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01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:27.760
<v Speaker 3>warm from the friction from like all that exothermic stuff

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01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:31.719
<v Speaker 3>going on, Like they're very their muscles do some work.

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01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:34.920
<v Speaker 3>So there's some butterflies that are pretty buff, and so

1354
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:37.760
<v Speaker 3>they're able to fly a long time, and then they

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01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:40.519
<v Speaker 3>do take advantage of the currents. I think monarch butterflies

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<v Speaker 3>have been recorded at eleven thousand feet oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>And they just kind of go where the wind goes

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01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:48.119
<v Speaker 3>and they take advantage of that. And so there have

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01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:50.440
<v Speaker 3>been times where if there's a big hurricane in the Caribbean,

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01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:54.039
<v Speaker 3>in Florida somewhere, people will be like, wow, I just

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01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:56.400
<v Speaker 3>found a butterfly that is native to Guatemala that is

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01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:58.840
<v Speaker 3>flying around my backyard right now, and it didn't belong here.

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01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.960
<v Speaker 3>So they can go really far sometimes and storms will

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01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:02.840
<v Speaker 3>push them that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Maybe they had some plant nectar. And

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<v Speaker 1>then they're like, I mean, you know, fly a couple

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01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:10.639
<v Speaker 1>thousand miles by. Yeah, that's so bad ass. It's pretty

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01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:12.679
<v Speaker 1>cool how they're able to pull all this off. Like

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<v Speaker 1>evolution is crazy because like predators put so much pressure.

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01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:20.680
<v Speaker 3>On things and just freak accidents put so much pressure

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<v Speaker 3>on things to be a really efficient machine as an organism.

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<v Speaker 3>So butterflies they may look pretty, but like they they're

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01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:31.319
<v Speaker 3>efficient and they're good flyers and they got they got

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01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:32.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of interesting things about them.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you taken anything away existentially or philosophically from butterflies,

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01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:43.279
<v Speaker 1>like about change, or about about not being ashamed to

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01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:45.560
<v Speaker 1>smelp who. I don't know anything you.

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01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Know, but I think you know the metamorphosis analogy or

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01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:54.319
<v Speaker 3>metaphor that's not my thing. But for me, it's it's

1380
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.720
<v Speaker 3>all about like keeping that curiosity enjoy that I had

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01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:00.920
<v Speaker 3>as a seven year old catching butterfly, and like being

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01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:05.399
<v Speaker 3>like not ashamed at all to have that same excitement

1383
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:09.039
<v Speaker 3>as a full grown adult and sure in high school

1384
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:11.359
<v Speaker 3>and a little bit in college, like it wasn't like

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01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:13.560
<v Speaker 3>the cool thing to do to show off your butterfly collection,

1386
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:15.479
<v Speaker 3>but I was just like it doesn't matter, Like I

1387
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.079
<v Speaker 3>love this stuff and nature.

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01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Is so.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool, and there's so much to learn, Like we know

1390
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:25.319
<v Speaker 3>probably the most about the monarch butterfly and the cabbage white,

1391
01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:28.279
<v Speaker 3>but we still have so many questions about those two species,

1392
01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:30.800
<v Speaker 3>and imagine all the other eighteen thousand that are out there.

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01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:33.560
<v Speaker 3>So I just think, if anything, I've just learned, like

1394
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:36.359
<v Speaker 3>just keep that joy alive and that curiosity alive, because

1395
01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:39.119
<v Speaker 3>nature really has some magnificent things, even if they happen

1396
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:41.319
<v Speaker 3>to be really pretty, Like I don't care they're awesome.

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01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:44.479
<v Speaker 1>What about what's the crappiest thing about your job? What's

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01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:47.720
<v Speaker 1>the hardest or most disappointing or most arduous.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, it's a mix because I used to be more

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01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:55.560
<v Speaker 3>like official scientist and now a more science communicator, and

1401
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.680
<v Speaker 3>so part of it. The travel is amazing, But there

1402
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:02.479
<v Speaker 3>was a point where after living two years in the jungle,

1403
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.479
<v Speaker 3>where I was like, I should probably be around other

1404
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:09.239
<v Speaker 3>humans again, and so finding that balance, and I've seen

1405
01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:11.319
<v Speaker 3>some feeld biologists who go a little bit too far

1406
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:14.199
<v Speaker 3>and end up because it's kind of addicting. You have

1407
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.680
<v Speaker 3>this adrenaline rush, this idea that you can make a discovery,

1408
01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:18.720
<v Speaker 3>and it's really exciting out there. But you need to

1409
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:21.680
<v Speaker 3>have a real life too, and you need to have relationships.

1410
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:24.600
<v Speaker 3>And that's how that is a successful life. To me,

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01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.640
<v Speaker 3>it has to be meaningful both in work and discovery,

1412
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:30.600
<v Speaker 3>but also in relationships with friends and loved ones and

1413
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.600
<v Speaker 3>family and all that. So balancing that took a little

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01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:35.880
<v Speaker 3>bit of work, and still sometimes I'm traveling quite a bit.

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01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:39.119
<v Speaker 3>That can be challenging. I'm sure you know what I'm

1416
01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:42.479
<v Speaker 3>talking about. What other is tough about my job?

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01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:46.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And then also just like freelance life. I think

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01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:48.840
<v Speaker 3>that's the only other thing a lot of people have.

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01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:49.199
<v Speaker 2>More.

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01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:52.399
<v Speaker 3>There are not a lot of jobs and science, and

1422
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:55.199
<v Speaker 3>so I saw a lot of people going for the

1423
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.840
<v Speaker 3>same thing of going to be a professor or research scientist,

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01:10:57.920 --> 01:10:59.159
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, Okay, well, I'm going to take

1425
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:02.079
<v Speaker 3>a little left turn here and still have my mind stimulated,

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01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:04.760
<v Speaker 3>still get the same opportunities to travel for science, but

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01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:08.319
<v Speaker 3>work more on the communication side and storytelling side. Because

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01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:11.039
<v Speaker 3>when I was I would do these expeditions when I

1429
01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:13.920
<v Speaker 3>was young, and we would do the craziest things, like

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01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:16.279
<v Speaker 3>we got held a gunpoint twice in Venezuela, I got

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01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:18.680
<v Speaker 3>lost in a forceful of quick sent of Mongolia. I

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01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:21.439
<v Speaker 3>would like sing under the stars with these Mongolians drink

1433
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:24.279
<v Speaker 3>and fermented horse milk, and that's how we communicated because

1434
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:27.319
<v Speaker 3>they didn't speak English, I didn't speak Mongolian, and we

1435
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.000
<v Speaker 3>would just sing each other's songs. And I was like, this,

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01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:34.199
<v Speaker 3>there's a side of science that people aren't hearing. And

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01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:37.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe if they heard those stories more, they would care

1438
01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:40.079
<v Speaker 3>more about what we're studying here, because sure, some of

1439
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:44.880
<v Speaker 3>the insects out there aren't innately appealing to the average person.

1440
01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:48.119
<v Speaker 3>But when you tell a story around it, then it

1441
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:51.760
<v Speaker 3>really starts to shine and people start to attach appreciation

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01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:52.199
<v Speaker 3>to them.

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01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:54.359
<v Speaker 1>I love that. I asked you the scariest thing in

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01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:56.479
<v Speaker 1>the jungle was, and you neglected to tell me that

1445
01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:58.319
<v Speaker 1>you've been held up at gunpoint twice.

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01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah. Humans are also very scary in the jungle too. Generally,

1447
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:07.199
<v Speaker 3>you just as long as you communicate and and don't

1448
01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:10.800
<v Speaker 3>go in there as like American savior, like conservation is

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<v Speaker 3>about working with the people there. It's not about working

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01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:15.680
<v Speaker 3>just with the animal like. It's all about working with

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01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:19.359
<v Speaker 3>the people and so building good relationships and using what

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01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:20.920
<v Speaker 3>they figured out over a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you able to negotiate your way out of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? We were. One time it was the government Venezuela.

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01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.680
<v Speaker 3>I was under Javaz. They weren't very friendly. They stopped

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01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:33.520
<v Speaker 3>our bus, took the three of us off. There's like

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<v Speaker 3>two or three truck fulls of dudes with machine guns

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01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:39.479
<v Speaker 3>and they like put us against the bus and patted

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01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:41.960
<v Speaker 3>us down. And I think it was kind of just

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<v Speaker 3>a bluff because they track your every move there, like

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01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:46.079
<v Speaker 3>everything you do you have to put in your passport

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01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:49.479
<v Speaker 3>information and they weren't very fond of Americans back then.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean that would be a good cover for

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01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:56.720
<v Speaker 3>spy because there have been lepidoptera studying researcher spies in

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01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.760
<v Speaker 3>the past. The founder of the Scouts would work in

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<v Speaker 3>North Africa, I think this is during World War One,

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01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:06.199
<v Speaker 3>and he would draw maps of enemy locations and butterfly

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<v Speaker 3>wings and then send it back to the collections.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh way, Beck, Yeah, So Robert Baden Powell did indeed

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<v Speaker 1>found the Boy Scouts and was indeed all up in

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<v Speaker 1>some espionage, as detailed in his book My Adventures of

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01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:23.319
<v Speaker 1>a Spy. That's just straight up he was straight up

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01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:26.840
<v Speaker 1>a spy. So he wrote, quote, carrying this book and

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01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a butterfly net in my hand, I was above all

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01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:33.159
<v Speaker 1>suspicion to anyone who met me on the lonely mountain side.

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks for the advice, ma, dude, I will go

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01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:37.560
<v Speaker 1>do that. What No, I.

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01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Don't recommend people doing it now because I'm not like

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01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:42.880
<v Speaker 3>ruined scientists access to these places that we want to

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01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:46.199
<v Speaker 3>go and study. So don't mess with science. Let's just yeah,

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01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:48.279
<v Speaker 3>let that be in the past. And then the other

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01:13:48.279 --> 01:13:51.640
<v Speaker 3>guys they were just kind of really drunk, and that

1483
01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:54.079
<v Speaker 3>was challenging, but we figured it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what's the best thing about what you do?

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01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:59.399
<v Speaker 1>What do you love the most about? Butterflies? About your work?

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<v Speaker 3>I Mean, one part that I love is just being

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01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.560
<v Speaker 3>able to go to places and have access to things

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01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:09.199
<v Speaker 3>that there's no other job that gives you that opportunity.

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01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:11.359
<v Speaker 3>You go to some really weird places, you really get

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01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:15.800
<v Speaker 3>to go behind the scenes and areas, and that's irreplaceable.

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01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:18.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've pretty much never had an office job

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01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:22.199
<v Speaker 3>my entire life, and that's great and I love that.

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01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:24.359
<v Speaker 3>And then the other part is what it does to

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01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:26.439
<v Speaker 3>your brain. Like you get this brain tingle I like

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01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:28.840
<v Speaker 3>to call it as a scientist, and many people can

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01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:32.000
<v Speaker 3>relate to this where there's something out there that you're

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01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:34.000
<v Speaker 3>trying to figure out, and some of these things that

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01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:38.199
<v Speaker 3>I've studied and published papers on, it's like a puzzle

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01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:40.079
<v Speaker 3>out there that you're like, Okay, I see this part

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01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.000
<v Speaker 3>over here, this part over there, this part down there,

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01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:44.680
<v Speaker 3>how do they relate? How does this thing make sense?

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01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:46.640
<v Speaker 3>And I would lose sleep over it sometimes, But your

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01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.800
<v Speaker 3>brain has this feeling that you just can't there's nothing

1504
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.520
<v Speaker 3>out there like it. It's like the best crossword puzzle. Ever,

1505
01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:56.600
<v Speaker 3>we like I nailed it, and that is a really

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01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:01.399
<v Speaker 3>exciting part of my job because it's super super fulfilling

1507
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:03.920
<v Speaker 3>because you're not just doing it for yourself. I'm sure

1508
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:06.640
<v Speaker 3>some people may be more kind of ego driven, but

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01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:10.319
<v Speaker 3>one thing I was noticed, like explorers who people call

1510
01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:14.600
<v Speaker 3>themselves explorers oftentimes would go to just be like I've

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01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:16.359
<v Speaker 3>done it, plant a flag and say they've done it.

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01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Now many are doing it for conservation reasons, which is great,

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01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:21.279
<v Speaker 3>but I was like, what if you could explore and

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01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:24.680
<v Speaker 3>contribute knowledge to the world the things you find as

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01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:27.199
<v Speaker 3>a scientist and studying butterflies, Like some of these papers

1516
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:30.279
<v Speaker 3>have published. Nobody knew this before, and that's a really

1517
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:32.920
<v Speaker 3>cool feeling to be, like, guess what, world drop some

1518
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:35.880
<v Speaker 3>knowledge on you that now, for the rest of history

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01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:38.039
<v Speaker 3>of humanity, they're going to know this thing that they

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01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:38.920
<v Speaker 3>didn't know before.

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01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:42.840
<v Speaker 1>It's exciting, I mean. And to start helping discover species

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01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:45.279
<v Speaker 1>at nineteen, like, that's got to be a little bit

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01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:46.399
<v Speaker 1>addictive too.

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01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:49.359
<v Speaker 3>Probably right for sure, for sure, And I have huge

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01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:51.760
<v Speaker 3>respect for the people out there who dedicate their entire

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01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:54.479
<v Speaker 3>career to that. People kind of forget that we still

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01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:56.880
<v Speaker 3>need a catalog, what life is out there. We have

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01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:00.920
<v Speaker 3>so much work to do insects alone, there's probably at

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01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:04.119
<v Speaker 3>least another million, if not nine million species out there

1530
01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:09.600
<v Speaker 3>to be discovered, millions left to be done, and they're everywhere,

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01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.760
<v Speaker 3>and so we need people to do those jobs. And

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01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.640
<v Speaker 3>it's not even though it sounds cool, when it comes

1533
01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:17.640
<v Speaker 3>to getting funding for that kind of work, you don't

1534
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:19.279
<v Speaker 3>always get the biggest budget.

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01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:21.840
<v Speaker 1>And now you're getting married this year, I am. Are

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01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:25.239
<v Speaker 1>you going to have butterflies be represented at all during

1537
01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:26.039
<v Speaker 1>your wedding?

1538
01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:28.720
<v Speaker 3>Definitely, So we're gonna instead of flower girls, we're having

1539
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:32.479
<v Speaker 3>butterfly girls. It's a little butterfly wings everywhere. And then

1540
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:35.399
<v Speaker 3>for our place settings, we're gonna do some cool stuff

1541
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:40.399
<v Speaker 3>with like giving on native seeds just to get people oriented. Yeah,

1542
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:42.520
<v Speaker 3>there's so many ways you can you can incorporate this

1543
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:44.239
<v Speaker 3>stuff into your life, and so we just kind of

1544
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:46.600
<v Speaker 3>want to show people like, this is what's important to us.

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01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:48.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh that makes me so habby. I was wondering. I

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01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:51.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, I wonder if those weddings getting involved bucks

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01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:51.279
<v Speaker 1>at all.

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01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I kind of want to get some shoes with

1549
01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:53.720
<v Speaker 3>bugs on them.

1550
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I know, I think you should. I think you deserve it. Yeah,

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01:16:56.880 --> 01:16:59.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll see some butterfly slippers.

1552
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:01.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why not.

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01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I did look up some fly shoes for Phil, and

1554
01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:08.720
<v Speaker 1>I found some cool Gucci Bug loafers that cost a

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01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:13.199
<v Speaker 1>grand and then also some swayed butterfly loafers on eBay

1556
01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:15.600
<v Speaker 1>for like one hundred bucks. So if anyone has a

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01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Gucci hookup for these loafers, holler at Phil online. Wouldn't

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01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:24.199
<v Speaker 1>that be great? Come on, come on someone right? Okay,

1559
01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:28.119
<v Speaker 1>another update. His wonderful fiance and now wife, Celia, got

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01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:31.479
<v Speaker 1>him the Gucci Bug loafers as a wedding gift, and

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01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the ceremony was gorgeous. I danced so much at their reception.

1562
01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I should be mortified, but for some reason, I'm not.

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01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:41.880
<v Speaker 1>It was just a great party. It was such a

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01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:45.079
<v Speaker 1>good wedding. They're both so wonderful, and I'm very glad

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01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that they're here on planet Earth with us and married.

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01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for doing this only this is

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01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:53.439
<v Speaker 1>a blast. So please do continue to ask smart people

1568
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:56.920
<v Speaker 1>awkward sometimes not smart questions because that's the only way

1569
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.399
<v Speaker 1>any of us learn, and they secretly love it. So

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01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.239
<v Speaker 1>to see some Phil's gorgeous photography, and it's really amazing.

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01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Check out his Instagram at Phil underscore Torres. His Twitter

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01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:10.199
<v Speaker 1>is also Phil underscore Torres, and he's at the Jungle

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01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Diaries on YouTube or his website is Phil Dashturus dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put links to those at aliword dot com, slash

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01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:20.039
<v Speaker 1>ologies and in the show notes. You can find the

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<v Speaker 1>show at Ologies on Twitter or Instagram, where I post

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01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:26.560
<v Speaker 1>some visuals from the show all week and I'm at

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01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.960
<v Speaker 1>ali Word just one l on both Twitter and Instagram.

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01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:33.640
<v Speaker 1>You can join the question club on Patreon dot com

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01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:37.920
<v Speaker 1>slash Ologies. You can lob your queries at upcoming ologists

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01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:40.720
<v Speaker 1>and also support the show that way. For merch, you

1582
01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:42.920
<v Speaker 1>can go to Ologies meerch dot com. You can tag

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01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.000
<v Speaker 1>your photos online with Ologies merch and I'll repost them

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01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:49.319
<v Speaker 1>on merch Mondays. Thank you Shannon Feltas and Bonni Dutch,

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01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:52.640
<v Speaker 1>very very cool Portland sisters for helping manage all the merch.

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<v Speaker 1>You can join the discussion on the Facebook Ologies podcast group.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Hannah Lippo and Aaron Talbert my good friends

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01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:02.680
<v Speaker 1>for admitting that. And thanks as always to the very

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01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:05.640
<v Speaker 1>very wonderful Stephen Ray Morris for editing this all together

1590
01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:08.720
<v Speaker 1>and just being the coolest dude, just the coolest dude.

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01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Also side note, Happy birthday, Sarah Basco. We've known each

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01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:15.119
<v Speaker 1>other since we were twelve. Happy birthday. If you stick

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01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:16.840
<v Speaker 1>around to the very very end of the show, you know,

1594
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:21.159
<v Speaker 1>I tell you a secret, and this week's is fresh.

1595
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:24.760
<v Speaker 1>It's fresh off the griddle. So two hours ago, I

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01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:27.079
<v Speaker 1>was leaving my friend Catherine's house and she has a

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01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:30.960
<v Speaker 1>bowl of peanut butter and ginger chewes. Have you had them? Oh?

1598
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.920
<v Speaker 1>They're so good. They're right next to her door. And

1599
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I grabbed two and I ate the first one as

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01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:39.439
<v Speaker 1>I was leaving her house. I was like, oh, so good.

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01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:41.479
<v Speaker 1>And then I unwrapped a second one before I even

1602
01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:43.520
<v Speaker 1>got to my car, and I dropped it on the sidewalk,

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01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:45.880
<v Speaker 1>very public sidewalk, and I just picked it up and

1604
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:47.840
<v Speaker 1>dusted it off, and I ate it anyway because I

1605
01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:52.039
<v Speaker 1>was alone and so wet and I'm still alive. Okay,

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01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:56.399
<v Speaker 1>Byebye Pack of German College. Hobbiology or doo Zoology.

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01:19:56.479 --> 01:20:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Lithology andology, oology, entology, mythology, seriology, selenology.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a butterfly time