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back to the Pekanona Show. I've been waiting on this

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for a while. I have Corey and Woe from Stone

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Choirs here, how you guys doing today?

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Speaker 2: Doing well? Thank you doing well?

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Speaker 1: Cool? Cool? All right? Who wants to give the whole

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story about how who you guys are and how the

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podcast started?

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Speaker 2: You can go ahead, and I'm going to take this one. Okay.

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I was going to nominate you, but you said it faster,

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So the.

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Speaker 3: Story means I'm in charge.

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Speaker 2: The story of Stone Choir is really fairly straightforward. A

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number of years ago, not that many years ago, but

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number of years ago, Woe and I got connected and

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started talking and chatting. We talk all the time, and

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we recognized pretty quickly that this was something that needed

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to be done. It was the sort of show that

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we needed on the right wing, and particularly the Christian

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right wing, because there were issues that were simply not

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being addressed. There were problems in the church, problems politically

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and religiously that no one wanted to touch, no one

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was willing to touch, and quite frankly, most people weren't

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suitable to address these issues. We avoided it for a

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while because we knew that doing this kind of show

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would attract a certain kind of attention, and it has

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most certainly done that. And also the time demands and

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things like that. We knew what it would entail, and

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we went into it with full knowledge of that, and

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it's played out as we thought it would. But we

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realize this was not something that we could avoid because

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God gives you certain abilities and it is your moral

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duty to use those, and so we are using those

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with Stone Choir. We're addressing those issues that even if

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they've been addressed in the history of the Church, and

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most of them have, these are not really novel issues

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by and large. They're just things that Christians in the

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modern era have forgotten because they've bought into modern propaganda,

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whether it's the post war consensus or whatever it happens

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to be. They've bought into these modern beliefs that, if

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they aren't at least alien to the historical Church, they

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are anathema. In many cases, these are things that the

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Church has historically condemned as antichrist, as anti Christian, and

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so the goal of Stone Choir is to address these

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things that are not being addressed in the Church to

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give a Christian response, partly because the right wing has

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to choose between there's the anti Christian contingent on the

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right who look at the current state of the churches,

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and they want to tear it all down because they

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look at the church and go, it's been subverted. It

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didn't defend us, it's importing illegal aliens, it's causing all

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these problems. It's not a fair characterization because the church

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was one of the last institutions to fall. The church

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held out for decades when most of the rest of

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the culture has already decayed, and so blaming the church

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isn't fair. But that's the one side, and then the

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other side would be Christians, and that is the traditional

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conservative right wing in the West is Christian. That's part

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of what it means to be traditionalist, to be conservative

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in the West is to be a Christian. And we

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want to arm those men with the actual arguments and

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the information they need to address the problems we find

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in society today, to address the problems that quite frankly,

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the leadership of the church is not addressing. And if

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they are addressing it, they're doing it wrong in most

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cases because many of them have been subverted. And that's

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the case, whether it's the Roman Catholic Church or the

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Lutheran Church or I mean, I won't say, you know,

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the Episcopalians or groups like that because they were subverted

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long ago. But even Presbyterians, we see most of the

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mainline bodies have been subverted in some way. And so

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the question is what do Christian men do in a

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scenario where the church bodies have been subverted and they

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are teaching false doctrine, false theology, they are teaching things

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that are antithetical to the history of the church. Because

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that's the situation where we find ourselves today. And so

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that's the purpose of Stone Choir is to address these

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matters in a Christian way and to address the things

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the third rail, the things other people don't want to

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touch or even get near, because those are the matters

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that truly matter today.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask Woe, why don't you, well, why don't

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you talk a little bit about the fact that you're

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both ALCMS? I assume correct, right, Okay, So talk a

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little bit about the LCMS church. Give it little history

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description so people know where we're at, where you're coming from.

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Speaker 3: Sure, the LCMS was really more of a Corey question.

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He's more of the historian. But the LCMS emerged in

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about eighteen forty seven with a group of German immigrants.

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they're basically fleeing the Unionist church that was emerging in

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Germany as they were finding out their consciences were being

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violated by what the state churches were forcing them to

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do by basically merging the Lutherans and the Reformed. They

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could not bear that anymore, and so they basically came

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here for religious freedom.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: A couple centuries after most of my ancestors showed up,

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but pursuing the same thing. So they ended up in

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the Midwest, and for the most part, the roots of

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the Missouri Synod pretty well have remained Midwestern. It's called

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Missouri Sin, but it's a national denomination. You know, their

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churches in almost every state, but they're concentrated in the Midwest.

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It is one of their three church bodies today. In

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North America, there's the LCMS Wells, which is the Wisconsin

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Evangelical Lutheran Church, and the Evangelical Lutheran Church ELS. Those

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two are in fellowship with each other. El's is I

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believe Norwegian and history and Wells is different ethnics. So

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they're all basically ethnic churches that existed among themselves and

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have common ground in terms of theology. For long time

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we were in fellowship with them as well, and then

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they broke fellowship with us. And I think in the

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sixties fifties maybe because the LCMS was starting to go

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lib in ways that Wells was found intolerable. And what

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happened in the sixties and early seventies is that the

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LCMS was on kind of the cutting edge of some

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of the apostasy that a lot of churches have since

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gone through, and it was basically the only Protestant denomination

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that actually fought it off for a while. So there

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was an event called SEMINEX. It was a seminary in

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exile where basically the entire Saint Louis Seminary of the

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LCMS was lived to the point that there were a

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lot of professors who denied the denied Scripture, you know,

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they were basically kind of Bonhaffer Christians at that point,

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so called it, you know, denied the Resurrection, that sort

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of stuff in the seventies in what was a very

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conservative denomination in the pews. And so thankfully those those

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demons were driven out. But what happened was the student

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body split and almost all the professors left, and that

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was good because they actually they went on to be

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the governing force behind ALCA today, the ELCA, which is

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the Lutherans that most people think of when you think

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Lutheran in North North America, you think rainbow flags and

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you know the Tranny DP and like it's you think

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some of the worst of Protestantism. That's ALCA, which was

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a merger of a number of other denominations in North

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America that was headed up by one of the small ones,

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but it was the Seminex guys who had left LCMS.

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now is the people that the LCMS drove out, and

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so it sort of went back in a more conservative

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direction publicly. But the problem was that we didn't drive

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out all the men who had been graduated by those

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same professors. So for twenty odd years they'd been spreading

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this stuff in the seminary quietly, you know, surreptitiously, very deliberately,

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knowing just as mL Kane, you know, he denied the

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virgin and you know, the resurrection of the body, but

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he wouldn't say it in a pulpit with a bunch

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of black Baptist ladies because he'd start a riot, so

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he knew it and he believed it, and he just

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talked about other things. They did the same stuff. So

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they became ascendant, you know, over the next twenty years,

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and in the nineties, the Elsie mess was in kind

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of rough shape again. And it's just there, as Corey

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was saying, you know, every Protestant denomination, every denomination, is

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going through the same pattern of subversion. And what we

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all see collectively is that not only do the waves

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continue to come, but you we must continue to fight

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them over and over again generationally, because any inch that

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you give, you're never going to get back. And you know,

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it's part of the reason we started Stone Choir. You know,

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Corey and I certainly listened to I used to listen

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to a ton of podcasts, and I've eventually realized, you know,

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most of them were became mostly religious and Lutheran and nature.

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I was waiting for some of the pastors whom I

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respect to speak out about some of the current issues,

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and just realizing that they weren't going to do it,

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and so Corey and I decide, well we can, and

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clearly we must, and you know, I started speaking about

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Lutheranism online probably five or six years ago, as I

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became more involved just sort of viewing the dissonant right

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on the internet, you know, seeing the talking points from

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poll and you know, all the very the things that

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used to be extremely fringe that no one would ever

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talk about in polace society, like in twenty twenty three

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on Elon's Twitter, that's almost more of the discourse. And

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as I was looking at that, I was seeing, as

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Corey was saying, a lot of guys in the dissonant right,

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a lot of guys who are outcasts for political views

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look at most of Christianity and North America and just

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find it utterly contemptible. And they're not wrong. But these

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are guys who have no christian background, no church background.

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When they look at what Christianity claims to be, they're

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rightly revolted. And so I started talking more about my

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faith and about Lutheran and saying, like, there's actually something

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that you can do in a church that doesn't turn

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your stomach. It's it's manly, it's godly at the same time,

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and those two things can be compatible. But there are

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precious few voices in any denomination that can actually tread

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that line. And so that's that's why we started.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I really had never met anyone who

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was l CMS until about six or seven years ago

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at the Mesa's Institute. You guys probably know Larry Bean,

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Larry and Grace, and I was like, Wow, this guy

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is just based. I mean, he's hardcore. I mean is

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there's there's nothing liberal about him. And then through conversations

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I had, it was like everybody was like, Yeah, the

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LCMS is just absolutely you know, hardcore. And then you know,

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I'm also friends with Ryan turnip Seed and all that started,

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you know, coming out in the I guess when a

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new version of the Larger Catechism was put out and

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there was a commentary along with it, and it seems

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like that commentary went basically right along is going right

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along with what we see in the world. So was

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that really when you guys started to ramp it up?

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When that when the Catechism came out and all that stuff,

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or you or were you going hard at it before this?

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Speaker 3: We actually started Stone aquired just one year ago. Began

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in a mid mid October of last year. Specifically, there

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one of the episodes of Stone Choir that we did

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probably about three months ago now was called the Timeline

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of Recriminations, where we describe all the events that subsequently

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happened to Quarry myself and to Ryan into another man

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as we were speaking out against the large Catechism update.

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Speaker 2: For our purposes.

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Speaker 3: A lot of that really began a few years ago.

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The first, the first seminal moment for me was when

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George Floyd O died because the Missouri syn had put

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out a press release condemning those policeman for murder after

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the video had come out showing clearly that the guy

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was suffocating in the back seat of the car. They

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accused them of murder before the trial had even begun,

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and CORNEYA were both in sense of this is just

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something that they have been convicted of. And so it

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was clear that the LCMS and the President Harrison, we're

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doing it strictly for racial purposes. It was racial agitation

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up and down. So we each independently wrote letters to

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him privately and rebuked him for it. And that was

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when we realized that they were going to go hard

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left publicly. And I think a lot of us in

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a lot of different contexts have really had the sense

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that the universe almost fractured when Floyd died. There's kind

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of a before and after, like COVID just happened at

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the same time. But the spiritual change when Floyd died

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affected everything, and suddenly people who were saying good things

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before May of twenty twenty, after that they just veered

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hard and it was all along racial lines. And as

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the churches were doing, they're like, well, okay, I guess

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this is going to be go time for us. So

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the summer prior to the Large Catechism last year, the

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Missouri sent had put on a big, very expensive youth

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event that was run by lebs. It was run by

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Lutherans for Racial Justice. These agitators that emerged just a

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few weeks after Floyd's suicide. They basically emerged from Zeus's

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four had fully formed with a racial agitation agenda within

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the Missouri Sentoate, and they ran the show last summer

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at the convention for Kids. And so we began Stone

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Choir last fall with the very first episode we did

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is related to the Missouri Senate's publishing arm publishing a

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book on theology by a girl and we made the

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argument that I don't we don't believe that Scriptural League

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girls can be teaching theology period. It's not about standing

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in the pulpit, it's about teaching theology. Because you know,

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Paul argues it was Eve who was deceived. That doesn't

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have anything to do with the pastoral office. That has

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to do a spiritual competency, and so all church history

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goes along with that. So the very first argument we did,

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the very first episode in last October was making that argument.

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And basically the Missouri Senate has just kind of been

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in free fall as we've been just watching. These events

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have happened one after another, and so the show is

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not about the inside baseball, you know, church drama for

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some tiny Midwestern church nomination, because these are problems that

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the whole church faces. You know, Roman Catholics are facing.

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Any of the statement that came out last week that

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was ambiguous at best related to transsexual baptisms, that sort

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of thing is it's happening everywhere where. You either have

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something that's actually a truly false confession or one that's

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so weak that leaves people in utter confusion. And God

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is not a god of confusion and the men who

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are speaking in God's stead today in the world can't

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cause confusion either, and so we will speak. You know,

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we called a stone choir because we don't have a

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vocation to do this where basically the stones are crying

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out because the men who should be doing this correctly.

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Speaker 1: Or not, I guess. In my case, I mean, I'm

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a cradle Catholic. And in the nineties I started going

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to a Baptist church and I ended up a Southern

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Baptist and I ended up actually working from them for

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a little while. And this was when they were still

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it was still pretty hardcore, still conservative, still addressing things

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in the culture that needed to be addressed. I could

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only I wanted to go to seminary. And the only

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seminary that was around there that I would even give

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a consideration to was a PCA seminary because I went

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to a sixteen eighty nine Baptist church, and you know,

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outside of pedo Baptism and a couple other things, there

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was really not a lot of difference. And even that seminary,

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that seminary had had a cultural center that would blast

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right way, you know, would attack Bill Clinton, would attack

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even when George W. Bush came in and you started

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seeing liberal things come out of his mouth. They would

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attack it. And then I dropped out. I had just

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a terrible falling out in my church, and I was

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I just left for a while. And then when I

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went back and I look back and I'm like, not

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only is the Southern Baptist Convention completely I mean cocked basically,

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but then I look at the PCA, which I thought

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would never for Yeah, I'm like, there's no way. I

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mean I I took classes with Archie Sproll. It's like,

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I'm like, how did how did this happen? You know?

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from a young age that there was a lot of

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things happened in the Vatican Two that were you know,

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no stretat was just awful. I just want to just

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you know, basically say invoking at anti Semitism and saying

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that anti invoking anti Semitism without even defining it. So

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it were you look around and I guess anyone who's

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in church right now, anyone who is a defender who

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looks at God's kingdom and says God has a kingdom

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on earth and needs defending, It needs building is has

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there's no real home for them. You can't look at

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a denomination and go I mean there are Orthodox right now,

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you Orthodox or screaming at me, that's fine, but there's

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no denomination that you can look at and you can go.

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They're looking for looking to defend God's kingdom on earth

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as a whole. Am I wrong? Corey?

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as a whole, but you also have really it's a

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generational divide. And the big reason for that is that

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the baby boomers. And I always give this caveat when

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I say this gen X doesn't exist. You have older

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gen X basically their baby boomers, and have younger gen X.

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They're millennials. You can choose. That's the great thing about

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being gen X. You gotta choose which one you want

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to be if you're in the middle. So, and granted,

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I mean obviously within generations there are also divisions. They're

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good and bad millennials. I'm not going to say my

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generations without problems, certainly, and then zoomers are their own thing.

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of this quite frankly, Marxist propaganda, and they bought into

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a lot of it. Because Satan was building up his case.

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He knew exactly what he was doing. He didn't attack

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the foundations of the doctrines of the church anymore because

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he tried that before. He did that with higher criticism.

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He did that with the radicals of the sixties. He

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made some headway on that, but he'd already taken the

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mainline churches with that form of attack. He'd taken all

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the people that he could with those sorts of attacks

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on the church, the attacks on doctrine, the ancient heresies,

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revived again arianism and all these things. And so he

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took a different tactic. He used the Marxist subversion of

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the reality of the nations in order to build up

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this false postwar consensus and then propagandize that in the West.

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Because this was also a thing in the USSR. It

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was openly part of state policy to subvert the reality

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of race and nation identical terms. That was part of

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their goal, because you can't create this internationalist government if

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you have these racial distinctives, because you're going to naturally

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have divisions if you recognize the boundaries God has set

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both geographical and in terms of DNA, obviously there's biology

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involved here as well. But in order to subvert the West,

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he changed that propaganda into what we see in the

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Civil rights movement, and so that became part of the

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mythos for the baby boomer generation that they'd overcome this

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prejudice and ignorance of the past and they were creating

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a better world. And that seeped into the Church because

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obviously baby boomers are the ones in positions of authority

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in the Church. That's how it naturally works. One generation

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hands off authority to the next. If you fail to

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train that next generation and the truth, you're going to

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have a disaster on your hands when they take the

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reins of power. And so that's what we have seen

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in all of the major denominations. You have these baby

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boomers who have all of these ideas they acquired in

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the sixties during the Civil rights era, and they're attempting

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to shoehorn them into Christianity and say, well, when Christ

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says justice, what he really means is social justice. And

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they may not use that term because they've been trained

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by whatever news station they watch to think that social

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justice is bad, but racial justice is good, it's the

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same thing. These are Marxist terms. There's no daylight between them,

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and so they're bringing this into the church. And that's

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why you'll see things like the SBC putting out their

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document condemning the alt right and condemning anti Semitism and

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condemning racism, literally using Marxist language that anyone who has

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studied the Marxist theorists, the Marxist ideology will recognize immediately.

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You see it for what it is. But these men,

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because they took it over the course of decades from

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basically every source available to them. It was in the

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news media, whether it was print or radio or television,

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they're using Marxist terms that they don't recognize as Marxist

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because they aren't familiar with the actual source material. Satan

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has done a very good job subverting all of the

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institutions of society, and now finally he's coming for the

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church because there are more souls that he can take

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in the church if he can continue this sort of subversion.

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in many cases many of these baby boomers, think that

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they're actually fighting for the church, that they're fighting for

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the faith, but they're not. They're actually fighting for the

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other side because they are using all the arguments of

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Satan to subvert God's ordering of creation. And they think

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that because they won these battles in the past, and

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this is particularly a problem in the l lcms, they

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think because they one at seminex kind of that what

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they're doing is right, what they're doing is good. Well,

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we beat the liberals once, we can beat them again.

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But they're fighting the wrong battle. They don't have the

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tools and they don't know what they're doing. So they're

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fighting for the other side because they think that, well,

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they're not saying that doctrine is wrong, but if you

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define your terms in a way that is contrary to Christianity,

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it doesn't matter if you're saying all the right words.

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You'll see that in many of the false theologians. They'll

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say they believe in the resurrection, but then if you

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actually look into what they say, they deny every last

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tenet of what Christianity teaches about the resurrection. So you

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have to look at what these men actually believe, what

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they're actually teaching. And we just don't have competent leadership

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in most of the church bodies today. And this is

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the case, whether it's Roman, Catholic, or Presbyterian or Lutheran.

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We have all of these men who are ill equipped

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for the battle at hand. They may be equipped for

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past battles. They can point out arianism, they can say

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that's false, that's an ancient heresy. I know how to

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refute that, But they don't know how to deal with

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the problems we face today. And it's the same sort

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of thing that we see in society at large. Because

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many of these problems. If you I'll go back to

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the example of arianism again, if you deal with arianism,

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we have all the writings of many church fathers dealing

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explicitly with that issue, and we have the creeds. We

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can just point to these things that we have and

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say this was refuted, here's why it's wrong. This is

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spelled out in the history of the church. We know

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exactly what this is and why we are not that.

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But many of the things that are being attacked today,

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we have no writings from the church fathers on them.

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we don't have a church father who directly addresses transgenderism.

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reality of biological sex because there wasn't really a thing

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for them back then. Their knowledge of biology was or medial,

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for instance. But you have these problems that are present

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in society today for which we don't have ready answers,

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in part because it was totally unthinkable. At no other

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point in history would anyone have ever stood up and said,

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except in a handful of societies around the world which

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had the idea of a third gender. You had that

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in India and some of the Amerindian cultures, but in

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European culture that was utterly unthinkable. No one would ever

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They would say you're insane and lock you up. But today,

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because so much of the foundations of Western civilization have

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already been eroded, have already been subverted, someone can stand

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up and say that. And most Christians are caught flat footed,

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particularly pastors. They don't know how to actually respond to

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these things. Part of it is because they're ill versed

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in the scriptures, and part of it is because they're cowards,

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quite frankly, because if you look at scripture, it's very

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clear man and woman He created them. That's the end

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of it. Scripture is clear God has spoken on the issue,

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but these pastors don't want to speak to it for

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many reasons. Partly they don't want the negative attention from society,

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and partly they don't want to endanger their irs classification.

476
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But you have men who are just not suited to

477
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,720
the task they have taken up. And quite frankly, they

478
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:32,240
should be terrified because Scripture is very clear that teachers,

479
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,000
those in positions authority in the church are going to

480
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:39,720
receive the stricter judgment. And these men are teachers in

481
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,160
the church. They are going to receive that judgment, and

482
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,920
they aren't willing to actually speak God's word because they're

483
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,440
terrified of men. And Scripture is very clear about you

484
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,599
should be terrified of God who can cast body and

485
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,960
soul into hell, not men who can only destroy the body.

486
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,279
We have so many false and cowardly teachers in the church,

487
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,200
and it makes the church look terrible, and it exacerbates

488
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,599
the problem because having those men in positions of authority

489
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,480
drives out the young men we need in the church.

490
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:11,759
And in this case, I'm speaking relatively men you know,

491
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,200
forty five and younger or so fifty and younger, whatever

492
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,880
it happens to be. We need those men in the

493
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,559
church because those men are the next generation of leadership.

494
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:23,440
Those men are the ones who can turn around the

495
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,880
problems in the church. If you walk into a church

496
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,599
and it is just women, that church is already dead.

497
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,640
It's not dying, it's dead. If you don't have men

498
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,720
in your church, you don't have a church. Because God

499
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,279
is very clear, men are the leaders. Men are the head.

500
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,839
You cannot have a headless body that is alive. And

501
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,599
so if you have no men in your church, it

502
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,279
is a headless church and it is not alive. And

503
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,079
that is what we see today. You have these feminized

504
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:52,119
pastors and other teachers who do not speak the word

505
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:55,160
of God truthfully, do not speak the word of God forcefully,

506
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,440
and basically just bend over backwards for whatever the women

507
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,400
in their congregation want them to do, because they're not

508
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,279
serving as actual heads, they're not serving as shepherds of

509
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,599
their flock because they aren't willing to do it, because

510
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,920
they're weakened, cowardly men, partly because they were ill trained

511
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,680
at their seminaries, because the seminaries are full of the

512
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,799
radicals from the sixties who weren't all cast out, or

513
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,799
in the case of the LCMS, we cast out the radicals,

514
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,680
but we didn't get rid of their students. When you

515
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,480
don't get rid of the students, or at least vet

516
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,559
the students to make sure they weren't corrupted, all you're

517
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,799
doing is delaying the problem by one generation. And so

518
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,200
all of these false ideas seep into society, and from

519
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200
society they wind up seeping into the church, and it

520
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,039
becomes a vicious cycle. And now you have men in

521
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,759
leadership in the church who are attempting to justify the

522
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,160
evils of society because they don't know how to refute them.

523
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,319
Speaker 1: I gues this can be either one of you can

524
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:59,720
take this talk about how you're here saying that they've

525
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,079
opted the ways of the world, the most of the

526
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:06,480
ways of the woke. I know woe has been docked,

527
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,759
and I'm sure people have who've been speaking out of

528
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:15,079
the ansays they've tried to get them fired. I've said

529
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,839
this about one of the reasons I stopped being a

530
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:24,839
libertarian is because I saw that libertarianism was infiltrated by

531
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,559
the not only the woke, but right from the start

532
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,359
by a really liberal kind of mindset, are really very

533
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,200
liberal kind of ideas, and I'm not even saying classical liberal,

534
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,880
I'm saying liberal kind of ideas. And then you saw

535
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,400
like the Libertarian party turn into this party that was,

536
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,039
you know, just we need trans writes kind of thing.

537
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,960
All of a sudden, these non collectivists all turn into collectivists.

538
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:53,200
So you talk about the you know, the kind of

539
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,160
attacks and the personal kind of attacks that you've both

540
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,279
had to suffer, and you both can take turns on

541
00:31:58,319 --> 00:31:59,440
this one.

542
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: You know, the problem with focusing everything on liberty and

543
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:08,319
freedom as the highest good is that that is functionally

544
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,599
just licensed, and as long as someone is unencumbered, is

545
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:17,119
that becomes the highest moral good. And if one acknowledges

546
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,079
the Christian understanding of original sin and of our fallen,

547
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,279
sinful nature, that can only ever possibly lead to the

548
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:29,240
worst outcomes. And so one of the things that we

549
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,559
talk about all the time on Stone Choir is a

550
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,640
genealogy of ideas, particularly these ideas, you know, the things

551
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,480
are called woke and whatever else, these things that have

552
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,559
radical roots that are antithetical to Christianity today. We find

553
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,480
them in the hearts and minds and mouths of people

554
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:49,039
who on Sunday morning are Christians. You know, they go

555
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,680
to church on Sunday. But the problem is that they're

556
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,400
catechized the other one hundred and sixty seven hours of

557
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,720
the week by the world, and so whatever they're learning

558
00:32:57,839 --> 00:32:59,920
in church, wherever they learned in the past, and church

559
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,880
in those few hours are no match for all the

560
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,559
TV and all the conversations with friends, and all the

561
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,039
movies and all the radio and all the work, you know,

562
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:15,559
training and just the general culture that we're all seeped in.

563
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,640
And so I think the reason that the generations have

564
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,680
decayed and now we're getting to sort of a revolutionary

565
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,960
spirit among some of the youngest, just you know, knee

566
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,920
jerk rebelling against the old people because everything is so bad,

567
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,880
is because you know, the boomers were the first to

568
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,079
be propagandized so heavily, and they were they had no

569
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,359
immunity whatsoever. They just absorbed it. It was kind of

570
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:43,400
a lightweight version of the propaganda, and because they went

571
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,279
along with it, it got harder. The propaganda went harder

572
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:48,720
and harder, and now it's so blatant that it's a

573
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:52,480
it's it's like a cleaver being taken to a diamond.

574
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,519
You know, it's getting hit and it's gonna shatter, and

575
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,359
you're going to go in one direction or the other.

576
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,960
And I think that's we see. The Zoomers are all radical.

577
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,039
They're either radically left or radically right. There are really

578
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:06,400
no milk toast Zoomers, you know, at least the ones

579
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,639
who paid any attention at all. When when we talk

580
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,119
on Stone quire about the genealogy of these ideas that

581
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:17,079
are causing these problems, it's to say, in our case, specifically,

582
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,639
to say to Christians, if you believe that you're a

583
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,559
Christian and you believe that racism is a sin, where

584
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,719
did that sin come from? You know, one of the

585
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,079
episodes we did in our Race series was entirely on

586
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,719
the history of racism, the fact they was invented, you know,

587
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,000
one hundred and fifty years ago. You know, the book

588
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,079
was written by a Jew at the beginning of the

589
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:40,639
twentieth century, specifically, as Corey was describing and what the

590
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,159
Soviet Union's plans were for global communism, what that Jew

591
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,079
wrote in the book on racism was a part of that.

592
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,559
It was a disillusion of all the nations in order

593
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,480
to make the next steps possible, and so the genealogy

594
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:57,480
of the idea that a Christian will hold up is

595
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:01,599
the highest moral good. The reason that Corey had the

596
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:04,400
you know, the hit piece in Rolling Stone and I

597
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,960
got docs to Antifa and had a hit piece in

598
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,400
my local paper wasn't because I was talking about Christianity,

599
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,800
although that was the underlying reason. It's because they called

600
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,000
it a neo Nazi podcast, which is to say, racist

601
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:20,920
and racist is the most evil thing anyone could possibly be,

602
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,000
whether you're secular or you're Christian. That is, you know,

603
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,559
that's why literally Hitler is the new Satan. There's nothing

604
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:32,880
worse than that. And so when that becomes your north

605
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,679
star for morality, everyone gets reoriented. The whole church gets

606
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,079
reoriented along this new axis. And one of one of

607
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,159
the things we talk about all the time is where

608
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:47,039
did these ideas come from? Because they're new ideas, they're

609
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:50,760
not ancient. These are not ideas that our forefathers would

610
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,199
recognize in any prior millennium, and in you know, in

611
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,679
most cases virtually none of this would be recognizable prior

612
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:04,440
to the Enlightenment. And so the frog is getting boiled.

613
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,079
And today, you know, as Corey said, the being the

614
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,880
last bastion of what should be the West. You know,

615
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,519
a faithful West should be the church. It should be

616
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,679
the most conservative body because if God doesn't change, then

617
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,320
the church doctrine shouldn't be changing either. And yet what

618
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,760
we find is that they're going along with everything else.

619
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,800
You know, the reason that the Missouri syn haddocksed me

620
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,360
to Antifa, they headquarters in Saint Louis transmitted by personal

621
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,960
information to an ANTIFA cutout for publishing, specifically because of

622
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,480
the episodes that we did on Stone Choir calling them

623
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,000
to account for their radical shift left. And what is

624
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,360
the go to that everyone has today? If you can

625
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,800
personally destroy a man's reputation, that you can make him unemployable, untouchable,

626
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,679
and unlovable. No one will talk to someone who's been

627
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,360
labeled that way. Well, one, it's an example for anybody else.

628
00:36:58,639 --> 00:36:59,719
You want to get up at eat, you want to

629
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,039
run your mouth, look what's going to happen to you?

630
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,679
And two, it just separates the sort of person from

631
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,280
the herd, so that you're not permitted to have friends.

632
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:11,800
And that's been the next stage. What's being done to

633
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,000
Cory Mean, it's been happening all along. You know, Ryan

634
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:17,159
turnip Seed. He wasn't called to account for anything that

635
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,519
he had said. He was called to account for things

636
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,400
that Corey had said. He was called to repent for

637
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:26,199
not publicly condemning Corey. Is if that's a sin, whether

638
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,559
or not Corey's right or wrong about anything, for another

639
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,000
man to be held to account simply because he talked

640
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:35,559
to him online is deranged. It's completely deranged. It's beyond

641
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:39,320
any normal human behavior. And yet today it's just just

642
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:42,360
it's the it's the playbook.

643
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: Corey.

644
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: What we really see happening is simply the Marxist playbook

645
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,599
followed practically point by point. This is a Lensky is

646
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:58,840
what we see happening. All of our enemies and adversaries,

647
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:04,760
whether they are hard left, Antifa, or supposedly Christians, even

648
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,000
supposed Christian leaders, they're following Alinsky if you read what

649
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,679
he wrote, and Olinsky is obviously just parroting his father below,

650
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,039
but if you read what he wrote, these men are

651
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,559
following point by point what he says. This is the

652
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:23,119
politics of personal destruction. The goal is never to have

653
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,320
an actual discussion, to have a debate on these ideas,

654
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:29,639
which sometimes that is appropriate some things are so evil

655
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,280
that you don't really need a debate, but sometimes you

656
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,400
need to discuss the issues. That's never the goal for

657
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,159
the adversaries. For the enemies, the goal is to destroy

658
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,800
anyone who stands up and happens to challenge whatever the

659
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,440
prevailing ideology is of the day, whatever the idol they're

660
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,719
currently propping up, whatever golden calf they're currently worshiping. And

661
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,719
so if you say, where is racism and scripture as

662
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,079
a sin? They can't stand that because that is one

663
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,599
of the core tenets their new religion, that you have

664
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,920
to be not just not racist, but actively anti racist.

665
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,280
And they'll go farther than that, and they have already,

666
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,159
but they'll keep going. They'll keep pushing until they're actually

667
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,599
opposed and destroyed, quite frankly, because they don't stop. Satan

668
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:19,639
never stops. But if you attack their idols, they're going

669
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:23,079
to respond violently, and that's what they have been doing,

670
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,360
and that's always been the case. When you attack a

671
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,320
man's idols, that's how you know it's an idol. The

672
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,239
way he responds tells you it is an idol, and

673
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,440
that is what we see from these enemies. So in

674
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,519
my case, they basically said they excommunicated me, but they

675
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,079
didn't follow any of the required procedures, and so they

676
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:46,119
both violated scripture and the civil law in what they did.

677
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,880
It's an ongoing issue. It's not yet put to rest.

678
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,239
That will be I'll have more to say about that,

679
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,599
hopefully in the not too distant future, although bureaucracies tend

680
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:00,159
to grind slowly. But they basically barred me for from

681
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:04,320
the property by calling in the police, which is utterly

682
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,599
unheard of, completely ridiculous for Christians to do that unless

683
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,599
there's an actual legitimate threat, which obviously in my case

684
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,719
there's not. And I can say confidently that I know

685
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,119
there's no threat that they perceive, because, for instance, I

686
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:22,760
don't live that far away from my former pastor. I

687
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,920
helped him move into his current house. If he thought

688
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,119
I were a threat, he would have taken out restraining order.

689
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,320
He hasn't done that. The same is true for a

690
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,320
number of the elders. I didn't help them move into

691
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,840
their houses, but I know where they live. I've been

692
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,960
to their houses. They didn't take out restraining orders. So

693
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:39,960
any supposed argument that there was a threat, which is

694
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,920
what has been spread by certain pastors online clearly in

695
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:48,199
high handed violation of the Eighth Commandment. It's obviously all false,

696
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,000
provably so. But they barred me from the property despite

697
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,079
the fact that the constitution and by laws of First Lutheran,

698
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,719
the church I was attending, say that even in the

699
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,880
case of those who are excommune, and this is in

700
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,760
all caps in the original document, which written by German Lutherans,

701
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,559
it tells you something. If Germans were going to use

702
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:12,440
all caps, even if you're excommunicated, you are cordially invited

703
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,360
to attend all divine services. And yet they called the

704
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,320
police on me. So you can see the animating spirit

705
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:23,159
of these men. It is not the spirit. They have

706
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:28,360
a different spirit. Indeed, and one hundred percent came down

707
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,599
from on high. It came down from Synod because Synid

708
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,519
responded to our critique of the Large Catechism with annotations

709
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:40,920
and contemporary applications. I want to be clear, that's not

710
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,320
the Large Catechism. Luther's Large Catechism is a static document.

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It was created by Luther. It's part of the Confessions.

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It's unchanging. What they did was they added a bunch

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of essays and annotations in order to completely subvert it. Basically,

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they created like a proto version of the Talmud for

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the LCMS, because what the Talmud does is completely subverts

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the Torah. As we have said previously in episodes of

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Stone Choir, one of the sayings amongst those who study

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the Talmud is that what Torah forbids, Talmud permits. And

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that is simply what the purpose of the Talmud is.

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It's to subvert all of God's rules by pillpoll to

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get around them, and in most cases just outright lying.

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The same thing is true of many, if not most,

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of the essays in that supposed new version of the

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Large Catechism. The goal of that document and this document

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is really the crux of why they decided to go

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after us, because we threw a wrench into their plans.

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We brought it to the attention of more people what

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they were attempting to do, because we saw clearly what

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they were doing. It's the same playbook you see everywhere.

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They bring in this document and say this isn't doctrine,

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this is just a discussion, this is an application, these

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are for study these issues. Well, it's not, because it's

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already on the syllabus at the seminary as a required

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document for future pastors. They are currently training men with

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this document. They have basically made it into the doctrine

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of the LCMS and they will just push it through

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and the next version will be even worse. And so

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that's why they hate us and hate what we have done,

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because we're opposing their evil. What they're doing is openly

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and high handedly evil, and they are going to go

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after an attempt to destroy personally any man who stands

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up against them, and that's why many are not willing

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to do it because there's a very real cost. There's

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going to be a cost personally. There's going to be

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a cost financially in terms of your your finances, your

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social relationships. There's going to be a cost if you

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stand up and speak the truth. And that's always been

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the case in human history. Sometimes it's more costly than others.

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Certainly today it has a higher cost. And there's also

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obviously safety concerns either the sort of people who try

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to swamp, and they've hinted at that online that their

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goals are to do that to woe and me, and

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so there's going to be a very real cost. But

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At the same time, Christians are not permitted to avoid

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speaking the truth just because there's a cost associated with it.

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This is one of those cases where you are required

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to speak the truth about God and his word regardless

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of cost, because this is a matter of the faith.

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If it's a matter of something that is tangential or

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not related to the faith, may be parallel to the faith,

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it's left to wisdom. There's some matter of wisdom here,

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which is how you say the truth. But whether or

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not you speak the truth is not left to the

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discretion of the individual Christian. When you are called on

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to confess the truth of God, the truth of Christ,

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you have to speak that truth. The consequences are in

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God's hands. He will permit or not permit as he

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sees fit. And so that's why we are willing to

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speak these issues, why we are willing to address these

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things in the episodes of Stone Choir and elsewhere, even

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if there is a cost to it, because we feel

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like we don't have a choice, because we know we

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don't have a choice. Well, we do have a choice,

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because there's always that choice, heaven or hell. You can

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choose to be an apostate. We're not going to choose

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that we're going to speak the truth regardless of the

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personal cost, and so we are going to be attacked

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by those who are attempting to subvert the church.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it appears what they're doing by inserting notes and

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commentary into with that catechism is that they are doing

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exactly what happened to the evangelicals in the early nineteen

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hundreds by inserting the Schofield Bible into Moody Bible College

783
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and places like that, where they basically judaized Christianity Evangelicalism.

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And it seems like they're doing the same thing. There

785
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can say during you know, I think we I think

786
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you guys have gone over where a lot of this

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transgenderism and all these things that there's on and about

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actually come from and derive from, and where the activism

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for that comes from.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen the same sort of thing that has

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happened in decades past. In the case of the Roman Church,

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you mentioned nostra Ititat, notably on the very same day

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that that was issued, that is when they issued the

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document that suppressed the Trent, the cult of Simon of Trent,

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when they basically said that he is no longer a

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saint that happened the exact same day as nostra Ititat.

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And for those who aren't familiar, that was the case

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of a Christian boy who was ritually murdered by the Jews.

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And this was recognized for centuries by the Church as

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a case of Jewish ritual murder. And because they wanted

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to suppress, suppose it anti Semitism in the Church, because

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they wanted to bring in Philo Semitism, they had to

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get rid of Simon of Trent. Because it's very hard

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to buddy up to Judaism when one of your saints

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is a child who was murdered for his blood by

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the Jews.

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Speaker 1: And well, I guess this leads me into this. You

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have people out there like and I'm not even saying

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I hate the guy. I mean, I don't know him.

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I've never talked to him. But Adam Green who basically

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openly says that, no, Christianity hasn't been subverted by Judaism,

812
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by by by the Jews. No, it's been a Jewish

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plot from the start. So the only way that you

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can that you can defeat it is Christianity has to

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go away, which to me sounds like the libertarians and

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the end caps who say, well, the only way to

817
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solve this is we got to make the government go away. Okay, well,

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good luck pal, all right, But it's funny that they

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would say that when I don't know, Christian Christians are

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openly mocked in the town square, and they've when you

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look at the history of how even if you want

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to invoke the Spanish Inquisition, why was the Spanish Inquisition started?

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It's like the only thing that, it seems in the

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last two thousand years who have stopped these people who

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deny logos is the Church. Yet they want because the

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Church now has become weakened, it's been attacked, and this

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worldview has been adopted by so much of it, it

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has to go away. But you know, as far as

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I'm concerned, really, it's the only thing that stands up

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against it. Comment on that.

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Speaker 3: Those arguments are just I would fully agree those arguments

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are just reddit to your atheism. I mean, that's any

833
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any completely neutral look at history demonstrates how utterly false

834
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that is. You know, the disputation of Paris under King

835
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Louis the ninth, really, for the first time in the

836
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West laid bare just precisely how evil the talent is

837
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and therefore how evil those who practice what it teaches are,

838
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which was the bulk of the Jewish community in those

839
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places nearly a thousand years ago. You know. To say

840
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that that Christianity has been a Jewish plus to topple

841
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,960
the West pretends that what the West had, what Europe

842
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was before Christianity, was better than what it is now.

843
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And the same people will say that sort of thing.

844
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Want to point to, you know, the cathedrals and the

845
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art and all the things that are the highest achievements

846
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,760
of Europeans in history. It's basically all at the very

847
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peak of Christianity in the West. You know, there was

848
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,639
a period of time of accumulation of talent and wealth

849
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:57,039
and things that made it possible do have great works

850
00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:00,119
of art. But the talent and the beauty was not

851
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,920
not only created in those places by Christians, but it

852
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:06,679
was done for the glory of God first and foremost.

853
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:09,079
You know, SAME's true of the exploration of the world.

854
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,920
You know, regardless of the politics of the man who

855
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,719
landed on foreign soil, he always brought the cross with him.

856
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:21,199
The conquest of the Americas and of Africa was done

857
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,760
in the name of Christ. And that's one of the

858
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:27,000
that's one of the things that makes the world makes

859
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:30,679
Satan seethe so much today, is that the loss of

860
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,360
the so called Global South, these populations who for literally

861
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,880
thousands of years communed with demons uninterrupted, and so when

862
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European Christians showed up, they found horrors that were indescribable.

863
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,039
You know, they would just vomit on contact in many

864
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:46,800
of the things that they saw, and they described it

865
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,559
when they when they sent descriptions home of the godless

866
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,519
depravity of those people. Europe was never that bad, but

867
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:59,559
that was only because we were Christianized, we would have

868
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,840
been on that path. And when you look at modern history,

869
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,519
just in the last century or two, these subversions, including

870
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things like the Schofield Bible I was financed by Jews.

871
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:12,119
It's always the case that you will find a connection

872
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,360
to the very people that guys like this Green character

873
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,880
are saying, Oh, it's they wanted to make Christianity better

874
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,639
to destroy white people. No, Christianity is the reason that

875
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:25,639
white people have something to be proud of. I mean,

876
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,400
there's Greece and there's Rome, and there's pride in that

877
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:32,119
sort of accomplishment. But those pagan places, when you look

878
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:35,360
at their practices, they had exposure of infants to kill them,

879
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:37,679
which is exactly what we saw this week in the UK,

880
00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:40,639
murdering an infant who was sick, who might maybe could

881
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,440
have survived with modern treatment. It was denied her. She

882
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:48,000
was left out to die, just as Europeans did two

883
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,960
thousand years ago. It was Christianity that brought an end

884
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:54,360
to those sorts of practices. So while Greece and Rome

885
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,239
had art, they had culture, they also had rampant sodomy.

886
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,440
They had you know, the killing of the of the

887
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,000
the infirm, of the aged, all these things that Christianity

888
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:09,079
is like, No, there's actually an inherent human value in

889
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,920
every person, regardless of age or station in life. Even

890
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,840
if someone's a slave, you still can't mistreat them. You know,

891
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,440
Christianity didn't bring an end to slavery. It brought an

892
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:23,679
end to the mistreatment of slavery, at least when Christianity

893
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:29,000
is observed. And yeah, it's just these arguments are they're

894
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,639
worse than specious because they're just they fly in the

895
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,000
face of anything that you can look up on Wikipedia.

896
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,039
I think people like that should just be bullied and mocked.

897
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:38,400
There's no point even arguing.

898
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,519
Speaker 1: But come on, Jesus was a Jew. It comes out

899
00:52:42,519 --> 00:52:46,559
of Judaism. I mean that's literally that, that's the argument.

900
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,559
I mean when you once you start going like I'll

901
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:53,199
start mentioning church history and they'll just default to this.

902
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:56,440
I mean, this isn't even midwig tier. This is like,

903
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:00,280
you know, eighty five iq tier. But it came matter

904
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,079
of Judaism. But how do you argue with that?

905
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: Well, you really can't. It's the arguments are so fundamentally

906
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,039
unseerious and unsound. Many times. What they are it's the

907
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:16,159
word concept fallacy. They think that if I use the word,

908
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:18,719
it necessarily represents a certain concept, and that's just not

909
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,920
true because as you use the word determines what concept

910
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,880
you are referring to with the word. The reference depends

911
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,440
upon the person using the term. And so, for instance, historically,

912
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:33,679
when we use the word Jew to translate what is

913
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,760
in the Greek Judean in scripture, that was fine because

914
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,039
everyone knew what it meant. It didn't mean these weird

915
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:45,239
people wearing special hats wandering around and charging interest. It

916
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,599
didn't mean them. It meant the historical people who lived

917
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:51,199
in that region from whom Christ descended, because yes, he's

918
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,800
the lion of the tribe of Judah. He was not

919
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,559
a Jew, because when you use the term Jew in

920
00:53:56,599 --> 00:54:00,239
the modern context, what you mean is it inherent two

921
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:05,039
or someone who is culturally steeped in Judaism. And Judaism

922
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,719
is a modern heresy. It is a modern false religion

923
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,719
because it is based on the Talmud, which was only

924
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,519
completed in the five hundreds. It's significantly younger than Christianity.

925
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,639
And it is again a false religion that is contrary

926
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:23,840
to that is hostile to Christianity. It has been from

927
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,119
the beginning. And so these men are ignorant on so

928
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:29,119
many levels. They don't know the history, they don't know

929
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:32,000
the meaning of the terms. Because they aren't arguing in

930
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:35,280
good faith. These men are arguing in bad faith because

931
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,159
they want to tear down Christianity because for whatever reason

932
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:42,519
they hate Christianity. In some cases it's just because they're idiots,

933
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:44,440
but in other cases there's malice.

934
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,519
Speaker 1: Who else who else hates Christianity.

935
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:50,639
Speaker 2: It's really just Pagans well, and the supposed neo Pagans,

936
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,760
Jews and Jews exactly. And it's funny they want to

937
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,320
make stupid arguments. I'll make arguments too. It's not even

938
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,599
It's not even a stupid argument though, because look the history.

939
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,519
Who is the first major supporter of the Jews against Christians,

940
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:08,320
specifically Julie and the Apostate, the Roman emperor who wanted

941
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,280
to take the Roman Empire back to paganism. Pagans and

942
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:16,760
Jews have been cooperating across the centuries. Pagans, Jews, and

943
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,840
Christians have not been cooperating. Most certainly, Look at the

944
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,719
homilies of Saint John Christistom. Look at any pope before

945
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,719
the last you know one or two or three. These

946
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are men who, by any modern standard would have been

947
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called absolutely vile, anti Semites and ostracized from society. And

948
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:38,840
these are considered the great saints of the Church by

949
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:42,039
the entire church. This isn't even limited to one particular

950
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tradition or denomination. Everyone agrees that John Christistom is a saint.

951
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,679
Everyone agrees that Gregory the Great is a saint. These

952
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:54,280
are men who are recognized by the historical church as

953
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,840
men who were giants of the faith, who taught the

954
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,280
faith truthfully. Who are saints who are now in Paradise,

955
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,360
and they wrote things against the Jews that, quite frankly,

956
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:11,360
make anything said by Adolf Hitler look like a playground spat.

957
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,360
And somehow we're supposed to believe that Christians and Jews

958
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,519
are friends, that we happen to get along. Do they

959
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:23,039
not recognize that the Jews pray curses upon us every

960
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:25,679
single day, many times a day, if they're traditional Jews,

961
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,760
at least three times a day. And somehow we're supposed

962
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,400
to think that, oh, we're perfectly good friends with them.

963
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We're not. And quite frankly, Christians also play pray curses

964
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,440
against the Jews, because when we say Thy Kingdom come,

965
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,159
thy will be done, that is indeed polemical against the

966
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,079
enemies of Christ, which certainly includes the Jews, who hate

967
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:49,840
Christ more than anything else. He is the only thing

968
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,559
they hate more than whites.

969
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,599
Speaker 3: I think one of the crucial things that we try

970
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:56,840
to emphasize on Stone Choir when we're talking about that

971
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,400
particular timeline of history is that Adam was not a Jew.

972
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,679
You know, six thousand years ago, Adam was a man.

973
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:08,599
There's no such notion. And Adam was a Christian because

974
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,760
the proto Evangelium was given to him in Jenesis three fifteen,

975
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:18,079
promising the Messiah. And throughout the course of history, God

976
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:22,360
progressively revealed more of the prophecies of the Messiah. So

977
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,559
Noah walked with God by faith. There was no Abraham.

978
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:28,760
Yet there was no Isaac or Jacob. There was no

979
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,519
man named Israel. They were just men, and they were

980
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:36,559
Christians because they had faith. Abraham had faith and it

981
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:39,760
was counted to him as righteousness. Abraham was not a Jew.

982
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,679
He was his grandson, who was named Israel. Now the

983
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,880
lineage is trace there, but the Israel, the lineage of

984
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,039
Muslims or the Arabs, is trace to them as well.

985
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:54,239
So to call Abraham a Jew is necessary to also

986
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,760
call him an Arab. It's just nonsense. He was, He

987
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,920
was Abraham, He was a son of Her. I believe.

988
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,400
So it's it's important because when you separate the belief

989
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:08,519
in the promise of the Messiah, whether it's forward looking

990
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,519
as it was for Adam and Noah and Abraham. And

991
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:15,760
indeed Mary, Mary was a Christian because when the Angel

992
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,320
came to her and announced the blessing of the Messiah

993
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,960
to be bestowed in her womb, she knew what he

994
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,039
was talking about. It wasn't it wasn't out of left field.

995
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:29,000
She believed the promises that have been transmitted through time

996
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,960
in the Jewish culture and in the Jewish the the

997
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:37,880
faith that they preserved, and there were indeed among the Judeans,

998
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,639
among the Jews of Jesus day, there were people who

999
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,800
were Christian because when he showed up and he preached, like, yes,

1000
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,000
this is the Messiah, he did what the what the

1001
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,280
the tana said it would do, and he's doing these

1002
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,679
miracles that God said he would do. This is the Messiah.

1003
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:54,239
This is the one who was promised. They were Jews

1004
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,280
because of their ethnicity, but they were Christians because of

1005
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,719
their belief. And the whole jewday Christian myth that has

1006
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,400
emerged only in the last century is specifically erasing everything

1007
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,360
that happened from six thousand years ago to four thousand

1008
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,440
years ago and pretending that the two thousand years prior

1009
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,559
to Christ's birth that was the period of Israel, has

1010
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:18,360
anything to do with what came before it. It wasn't

1011
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,599
Jews who gave us the Messiah. It was God. God

1012
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:24,960
gave the promise to Abe to Adam, passed it through Abraham,

1013
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:27,719
and then delivered it through Mary and we had Jesus.

1014
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,599
That is God's work. It's not the work of a people.

1015
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,840
And the fact that God chose a nation to be

1016
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,960
the vessel both for the promises and for the delivery

1017
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,000
of those promises, is to God's glory. I mean, they

1018
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,840
were some of the most irascible, miserable people ever recorded.

1019
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:47,360
They did things that there's no other group of people

1020
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,400
who would have murdered Jesus when he came along, producing

1021
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,800
infinite quantities of food and raising the dead. Nobody else

1022
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,320
would have murdered him except for them, because they were

1023
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,119
necessary to to be them, their evil selves, so that

1024
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,760
the prophecy could be fulfilled. But it doesn't get them

1025
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,639
off the hook. So there's no legacy of Judeo Christian

1026
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:12,199
we are. It's six thousand years of Christians in heaven today,

1027
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,159
and some of them were Jews prior to Jesus day.

1028
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,639
Once he showed up, you either stopped being a Jew

1029
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,039
or you had no hope of salvation.

1030
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:27,079
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that there are Orthodox Christians, Catholics, Evangelicals,

1031
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:34,559
Liturgical Protestants who listen to your show. What do you

1032
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:38,000
attribute that to the fact that you have this? You

1033
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,400
have an ecumenical audience.

1034
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: There's almost a bit of irony in it because particularly

1035
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,960
from may end, but from woes as well. To a

1036
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,679
certain extent, I'm a little polemical when it comes to

1037
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:58,559
distinctives across denominations and traditions. But ultimately, as Christians, we

1038
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:02,000
can recognize each other even if we have our disagreements.

1039
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:06,000
We are brothers in disagreement, and I don't view those

1040
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,280
in other traditions as enemies. They are brothers. I view

1041
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,760
them as being in error because we disagree on certain doctrines.

1042
01:01:13,239 --> 01:01:15,880
But the things that we are discussing on Stone Choir

1043
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:21,199
are by and large things on which all Christians agree.

1044
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,320
Now they are going to be exceptions. We did recently

1045
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,599
do episodes on baptism in the Lord's Supper. We're very

1046
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:29,440
clearly going to disagree on those. We're going to agree

1047
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,079
they're important. I would say that even the Baptists are

1048
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:35,199
going to agree that baptism is important. We're going to

1049
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:37,039
disagree on what they do and what the nature of

1050
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:41,000
these things are. Because those who are magisterial Protestants are

1051
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:44,480
going to believe that they are sacraments and agree with

1052
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:47,239
both the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox on that

1053
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,280
insofar as it goes. But we are discussing matters that

1054
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,559
are fundamental to the Christian faith. They are things that

1055
01:01:56,639 --> 01:02:02,760
are not necessarily doctrinal distinctive. Because whether or not you

1056
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,800
think that baptism now saves you, you can probably agree

1057
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,280
that having Christian rulership of your country is better than

1058
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:17,239
what we have today. You can agree that not charging

1059
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,199
interest is a matter that is addressed in Scripture and

1060
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,400
is something on which all Christians can and should agree.

1061
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,079
And so there's this wealth of issues on which we

1062
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,599
as Christians can agree, the basics of the faith, certain

1063
01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:39,599
things about Christian society, and so there's partly those reasons

1064
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:42,800
are part of why people can listen to Stone Choir

1065
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:46,559
even if they disagree with us on some doctrine in

1066
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,480
some theology. But there's also the aspect we're the only

1067
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:54,280
ones doing it, and so where else are they going

1068
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:59,159
to turn for the information presented as it is in

1069
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:02,480
the way it is, there are not that many options.

1070
01:03:03,519 --> 01:03:05,880
And so even if we happen to be Lutheran and

1071
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,840
we have a Presbyterian in our audience, he's going to

1072
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,280
listen to us, He's going to disagree with us. On

1073
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:14,559
the specifics of the sacrament of the table and some

1074
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:19,800
other things. Obviously predestination to some degree, but he's going

1075
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,639
to agree with agree with what we say on ninety

1076
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:25,320
percent of issues. And so because of the fact that

1077
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,480
we're willing to say the things we're willing to say

1078
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,679
in the way we're willing to say them, I think

1079
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:34,599
that's why we have the ecumenical audience, because they recognize

1080
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:39,079
that even where we disagree, we are all brothers in Christ,

1081
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:43,719
and ultimately the differences in doctrine and theology, dogma, what

1082
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,000
have you, will be resolved in Paradise. We won't disagree

1083
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,960
there because we'll know the truth and we'll certainly have

1084
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:53,760
God right there to give us an answer. Here and now,

1085
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,039
in time, we are going to continue to disagree on things,

1086
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:00,400
and sometimes yes vehemently, sometimes in a little heated that

1087
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:05,119
will be polemics, and I don't think that's unbecoming. Americans

1088
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,920
by and large have developed this. You can call it genteel,

1089
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,280
but it's not even really that it's effeminate. They have

1090
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,639
developed an effeminate way of dealing with disagreement. And so

1091
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,440
you'll have people who will realize they disagree with someone

1092
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,480
and just totally avoid it, or they'll so called agree

1093
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:25,880
to disagree, they'll avoid the issue instead of meeting it

1094
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,239
head on and addressing it. Men deal with disagreement by

1095
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,880
talking to each other, by arguing with each other, and

1096
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,599
sometimes in a little bit of a heated fashion. That

1097
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:39,480
is how men argue. That is how men address disagreements.

1098
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,480
We're willing to do that on stone choir. We're entirely

1099
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:45,400
willing to tell part of the audience you're wrong. This

1100
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,760
issue is wrong. Here it is in scripture. This is

1101
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,639
why you're wrong. We're not going to say, well, you

1102
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:54,480
can some people think and some others think, but really no,

1103
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,519
We're going to say, here is what we believe, this

1104
01:04:57,559 --> 01:04:59,960
is why we believe it, Here is what you believe.

1105
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,639
When we're going to characterize the other side as best

1106
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:05,360
we can. We're not going to make straw men, and

1107
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,280
then we're going to address why we think it's wrong.

1108
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,519
And that is historically and that is today how they should.

1109
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:15,119
But it is historically how Christians and how men disagreed

1110
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:18,599
with one another. You have that even in pagan cultures. Historically,

1111
01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:21,880
the ancient Greeks didn't dance around the issue. They would

1112
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,559
come out and talk with each other about these issues,

1113
01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:29,760
and for various reasons, in American culture, some of that

1114
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,599
has fallen by the wayside. Partly it has come from

1115
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,760
the academy because of the way that academic debate has

1116
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,599
taken place in the US. You actually have a little

1117
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:42,400
bit less of this in some of the continental academic culture,

1118
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,960
because you still have insults in academic papers on the continent,

1119
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,280
which is totally foreign to Americans, the idea of insulting

1120
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,719
someone in a formal paper. But that's fine over there.

1121
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,559
So we have this weird culture in the US where

1122
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:00,960
we've lost the ability to confront each other. And that's

1123
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:05,599
just alien to men in general, and it's also particularly

1124
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:10,039
alien to Christianity. Scripture is clear, we are to confront

1125
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,679
each other when we believe that a brother is in error,

1126
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,719
and then together we research the scriptures, we search the

1127
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:20,719
scriptures and find the solution to the issue. And yes,

1128
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:22,800
it may seem like some of these problems are intrat

1129
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:28,400
intractable or unsolvable because they've been ongoing for centuries. Lutherans

1130
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,039
and the Reforms have been at each other for five

1131
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:34,880
hundred years, and even more so than Lutherans and Roman Catholics.

1132
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,559
We tit for tat every so often, exchange things back

1133
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:39,239
and forth, but really the Lutherans and the reform to

1134
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:41,519
have just been at it constantly for five hundred years.

1135
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:44,280
So it seems like there's no solution. But that doesn't

1136
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,760
mean that you stop. You still discuss the issues, you

1137
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,119
still address the points of the other side, because that

1138
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:53,159
is what men are supposed to do. And so we

1139
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,679
have this listenership because that's what we're doing and almost

1140
01:06:57,679 --> 01:06:59,840
no one else is willing to do it in this

1141
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:00,880
particular space.

1142
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: And we specifically tackled subjects that get you canceled, that

1143
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,760
make people hate you. You know, there's there's not a

1144
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,000
lot of fluff in our catalog because we're not going

1145
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:16,199
to do much coverage of things that have been hashed out.

1146
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,159
You know, the episodes we did on communion and baptism

1147
01:07:19,159 --> 01:07:21,440
were really exceptions because we had a lot of people

1148
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:25,159
asking what a Lutherans believe about this stuff, because you know,

1149
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,840
most people have never heard of Lutherans, were never met

1150
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,039
one like you until seven years ago. You never met

1151
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:33,880
a conservative Lutheran. That's something Lutherans are absolutely terrible for,

1152
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:37,360
and it's it's unforgivable. It's just it's a wicked thing

1153
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:42,159
that we were given an inheritance of defensible theology and

1154
01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:45,079
then forgot to tell anybody else. We just sit around

1155
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,039
on our laurels, happy with ourselves that we got all

1156
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:51,480
this stuff right, not because we're bright, but because somebody

1157
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,679
handed us a five one year old book that's not

1158
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:57,800
the Christian life. So the subjects that we tackle are

1159
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:02,719
things that you like. Today's episode was against the idolatry

1160
01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:05,400
of capitalism. That when you look at the things that

1161
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,400
are held up as being capitalism and subtract the historic

1162
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,920
falsehoods from the definition, what you're left are things that

1163
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,640
are on scriptural harm to neighbor, almost exclusively, you know.

1164
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,279
So you know, in the intro we talked about you know,

1165
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,840
there's this binary thinking that everyone's been programmed with. Oh

1166
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,760
you don't like capitalism, what are you a socialist? It's like, oh,

1167
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,279
you don't like Trump, you must be a Biden supporter. Like, no, man,

1168
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:33,279
I'm way on the outside the spectrum from Trump that

1169
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,680
you can't approach subjects like that. And yet that's the

1170
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,880
way pretty much everything and discourse today goes. So we exist,

1171
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,640
you know now that we're neither of us have families.

1172
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,199
There's there's nothing that can be done to us that

1173
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:51,000
won't simply harm us personally, and we're willing to bear

1174
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:53,680
that cost because the alternative is for no one to

1175
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,960
be speaking clearly about these things. I think one of

1176
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,239
the things we do well is that we're able to

1177
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,520
take a relatively complex subject and presented in a way

1178
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that someone who even disagrees with us can at least

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01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,760
get the gist of what it is we're saying, and

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01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,399
they if you disagree with what we've said, you understand

1181
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,279
why you disagree. There's not confusion because we were very

1182
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:15,159
clear as much as possible with terms. We don't want

1183
01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:18,359
to engage in some of the historic errors that have

1184
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:21,439
occurred where people try to pretend to agree. You know

1185
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,800
something that after Luther died, malank and did with the

1186
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,920
Lutheran Confessions, he tried to change wording and get people

1187
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,560
to agree that, you know, the Reformed and Lutherans actually

1188
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,199
believe the same thing about the sacrament of the altar

1189
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,119
when we don't. But if you redefine words in such

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01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:38,000
a way that everyone can say, oh, yeah, I'm sure

1191
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,199
we're on the same page, that's nonsense. It's not true.

1192
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,880
There's the number of men who are capable of speaking clearly,

1193
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,760
and the intersection of that with the number of men

1194
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,199
who are willing to speak clearly is is a vanishingly

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01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:55,119
small set. And so, like Cory said earlier, God has

1196
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:58,399
given us these abilities. And as far as I see

1197
01:09:58,479 --> 01:09:59,960
like this is, this is what I'm going to do

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01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:02,840
until I'm not able to do it anymore. I don't

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particularly enjoy it, but I don't care. You know, if

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it's if it has to be done, it has to

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01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,279
be done. That's a sense of duty is incumbent upon

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01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:14,800
a man who has a gift, whatever it is. If

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01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,399
you're if you were only good at one thing, don't

1204
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:20,760
waste that thing. In the case record, we're good to

1205
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,279
lots of different things. Unfortunately, we're able to kind of

1206
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:25,439
bring a lot of them to bear on this particular task.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me bring up four episodes in particular that

1208
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:35,760
I've recommended to a bunch of people because I think

1209
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:41,000
they're very in depth. You did four episodes on the Jews,

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starting way back in history and coming up to post

1211
01:10:46,039 --> 01:10:50,079
World War two. What compelled you to do that? Why

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01:10:50,119 --> 01:10:52,680
did you Why did you think that needed to be

1213
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put out there.

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Speaker 2: In part, that was necessary because we were building up

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to we've actually done a episodes on that really because

1216
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,319
the episode on dispensationalism is effectively a continuation of the

1217
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:08,960
series on the Jews, and that's part of why we

1218
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:13,760
did it. When you have modern live heresies in the church,

1219
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,239
it is in part necessary to address the historical context

1220
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:22,520
so that people have something to grasp, some understanding of

1221
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,319
how we got here and why we got here, because

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01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:29,000
dispensationalism in and of itself doesn't make any sense. Where

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01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,960
did this thing come from? What are these claims? If

1224
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,800
you understand, as we went over very early on in

1225
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,119
the podcast, the genealogy of ideas, if you go all

1226
01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:41,560
the way back and find a wicked tree, the fruit

1227
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,520
is wicked as well, because an evil tree produces evil fruit,

1228
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,119
a good tree produces good fruit. And so if you

1229
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,239
search all the way back, for instance, with dispensationalism, and

1230
01:11:52,359 --> 01:11:55,239
you find that the roots of that tree are in

1231
01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:59,159
Judaism and Zionism and Marxism and all of these evils,

1232
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,840
you know for a fact that dispensationalism is evil. You

1233
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,800
can't possibly say that it's a good thing because an

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01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,560
evil tree will not produce good fruit. Scripture is abundantly

1235
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,840
clear on that, and so we went over these issues,

1236
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,560
this history of the Jewish people, because it is vitally

1237
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:22,359
important for modern Christians to understand. For instance, Jesus was

1238
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not a Jew. A Jew and a Hebrew are different things.

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When you say Israelite, that means something different from Israeli.

1240
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And you have many modern Christians who have no idea

1241
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,159
what these things mean, and so they have this just

1242
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:41,159
absolute mud of ideas in their head that they've got

1243
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:44,279
from various propaganda outlets, and they don't know how to

1244
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,680
understand this information. They don't know what the Christian faith

1245
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:51,399
actually teaches on these subjects, and part of it is

1246
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,720
just history. Obviously went over the rebellions against Rome and

1247
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,359
the fact that they were basically constantly murdering people throughout

1248
01:12:58,399 --> 01:13:02,199
the history of their exile and their occupation by Rome,

1249
01:13:02,279 --> 01:13:05,159
their subjugation by Rome, which was a punishment from God.

1250
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:08,479
Scripture is again clear on that point. And so if

1251
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,880
you don't have the history, you don't have the context,

1252
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:15,640
you wind up falling for every Charlatan, for every deceiver

1253
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,960
who comes along with some if not new then at

1254
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,239
least repackaged heresy. And if you're steeped in Church history

1255
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,279
and you understand the history of this people in this region,

1256
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,880
you understand the actual teachings of Scripture couched in the

1257
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,960
context in which they must be couched to be understood correctly,

1258
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:40,279
you will never fall for dispensationalism because dispensationalism constantly conflates

1259
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:46,279
categories that are distinct categories, the biggest example being the

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01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:51,159
modern nation state of Israel and Old Testament Israel. They

1261
01:13:51,159 --> 01:13:55,319
aren't the same. One is not a continuation of the other.

1262
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,359
Jew and Israelite are not the same. One is not

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01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:02,159
a continual of the other, except in so far as

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01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:06,520
some of the modern Jews are a degenerate apostate descendant

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01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,520
group from the ancient Israelites. To a certain degree, they've

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01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,239
been intermixed in large part in part due to God's judgment.

1267
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He took them into captivate into captivity variously under the

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Assyrians and the Babylons, and then the Romans, and then

1269
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,640
destroyed them in seventy a d. You need the context

1270
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,199
to understand the Christian faith. Yes, you can understand the

1271
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:30,680
basics without the history, and without the context, it is

1272
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:34,439
perfectly fine, It is perfectly possible to have a very

1273
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,720
simple Christian faith. So, for instance, the mentally disabled can

1274
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,920
still be Christian without knowing all of this history. But

1275
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:46,600
knowing the history prepares men to stand up and refute

1276
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,880
heresies when they hear them. So if they have a

1277
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,800
false preacher who stands up and says the Jews are chosen,

1278
01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:55,840
if you don't know the scriptures and you don't know

1279
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,159
the history, you will not know how to respond to

1280
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:00,720
that man, and then you're going to fail. You're going

1281
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,520
to fall down in your duty as a man, particularly

1282
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,119
if you're a father or a teacher, where it is

1283
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,720
your duty to refute that false teacher so that those

1284
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,199
under your care, those entrusted to your care by God,

1285
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,680
don't fall for that false doctrine. And so we did

1286
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:19,359
those episodes that the men listening to the podcast will

1287
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:23,039
be prepared to address these ideas because they come up constantly,

1288
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,800
particularly right now when there's a war going on over

1289
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,159
in that part of the world, and you have a

1290
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:32,119
huge chunk of the supposed right wing in the US

1291
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:35,680
and to a smaller degree but still a significant degree

1292
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,439
elsewhere saying that we have to support Israel because as Christians,

1293
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:44,920
it's our duty, which is just absolutely false. They're not

1294
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:49,880
our brothers by blood or by faith. They are haters

1295
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,079
of God. They hate God more than any other people

1296
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,520
in all of history. They despise Christ, they curse Christ,

1297
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,880
they teach in their Talmud that he's boiling an extra

1298
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:03,239
for all of eternity. There have never been a people

1299
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:07,199
who hate God more than the modern Jews. And yet

1300
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,640
we have supposed Christians in the US who are saying that, oh, well,

1301
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,279
we have to support them simply because they claim to

1302
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:16,520
be an extension of Old Testament Israel, and because of

1303
01:16:17,119 --> 01:16:19,960
is of Jesus, of various passages in scripture, not least

1304
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,600
of all the one hundred and forty four thousand Revelation,

1305
01:16:23,119 --> 01:16:26,680
which is a symbolic number representing all believers throughout all time.

1306
01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:30,560
It is not literally one hundred and forty four thousand Jews.

1307
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,840
So that's why we went over these issues, because you

1308
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:37,600
have to have the context, you have to have the

1309
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,399
ammo to fight the modern battle, and the modern battle

1310
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,439
right now for the Church in large part, yes, they're

1311
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,720
a handful of them. We're fighting on many battlefields because

1312
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,279
Satan is kind of doing he seems to think that

1313
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:52,439
he has an advantage right now, which arguably he does,

1314
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,119
and so he's pushing that advantage. He's going to press

1315
01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:57,760
the advantage as best he can. But this is a

1316
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,479
major one, because if you get this one wrong, so

1317
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,920
much else, so much other evil flows from this mistake.

1318
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,239
You have to understand the place of the Jews in

1319
01:17:09,279 --> 01:17:13,199
the history, what it means to be a Jew in

1320
01:17:13,239 --> 01:17:17,399
the ancient sense and the modern sense, and what we

1321
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,439
as Christians should do with relation to the modern Jews.

1322
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,079
And quite frankly, in summary, what we should do is

1323
01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:26,920
oppose them because they're evil and they hate God, not

1324
01:17:27,039 --> 01:17:29,000
support them and keep sending them weapons.

1325
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,520
Speaker 3: We mentioned, I think in that series that prior to that,

1326
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,359
we've done about thirty six episodes, and in at least

1327
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:39,359
a third of them we had also mentioned Jews. And

1328
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,479
it wasn't because we hate these people for racial reasons

1329
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,079
or we hate them at all. It's because whenever we

1330
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:49,000
look at problems in the West, whenever we look at

1331
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,920
problems in the Church, we inevitably find Jews at the

1332
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,159
nexus of the issue. You know, the episode on feminism,

1333
01:17:57,239 --> 01:18:01,239
the origins of feminism, The origins are not explicitly Jewish,

1334
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,039
but the entire twentieth century history is when we did

1335
01:18:04,079 --> 01:18:07,760
the episode on Michael Martin Luther King Junior, the Marxist Agitator,

1336
01:18:08,279 --> 01:18:11,079
it was mostly a list of Jewish names. I meane

1337
01:18:11,079 --> 01:18:13,479
the joke that is basically reading a Jewish telephone book,

1338
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,960
because so many of the men who were influencing what

1339
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,840
that man did publicly in this country were of this

1340
01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:24,960
race and of this religion. And it's inextricable, you know,

1341
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,760
the one. You know, the fact that you can have

1342
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:31,720
an entire category and Wikipedia of Jewish atheists is a

1343
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,359
demonstration that is not principally religious. It's principally racial. And

1344
01:18:35,399 --> 01:18:38,359
whether or not it's an ethnic Jew who practices the

1345
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,439
religion or not, they're all steeped in a culture that

1346
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,000
has this hatred of God is an inheritance. So the

1347
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:49,560
vehemence with which the orthodox Jew hates and curses Christ

1348
01:18:50,119 --> 01:18:55,000
is matched only by the nonpracticing Jew, the atheist Jew.

1349
01:18:55,319 --> 01:18:58,760
They deny that God exists, but they hate him. You know.

1350
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,560
It's what C. S. Lewis was like when he was

1351
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,119
a teenager, except none of them have managed outgrow it.

1352
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,119
And so yeah, a lot of our episodes have dealt

1353
01:19:06,119 --> 01:19:09,760
with that again, it's a hop on issue who there

1354
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,880
are not many people who will show their face in

1355
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,359
public who will say, here are all the things that

1356
01:19:14,399 --> 01:19:18,800
are wrong with the Jews. And we did four episodes

1357
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,119
to cover four different aspects of it, and we talked

1358
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:24,359
about and you mentioned the timeline, there's Hebrews, Israelites and Jews.

1359
01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:26,720
We talked about it in scripture. We talked about what

1360
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,359
happened in the immediate aftermask of the murder of Christ.

1361
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,760
And one of the reasons that we want to tackle

1362
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:35,039
that subject in particular is that I've personally sat in

1363
01:19:35,079 --> 01:19:39,399
the pews and listened to Lutheran pastors literally changed the

1364
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:43,199
text of a reading from the Jews to the Pharisees

1365
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,199
because they refuse to attribute to the race of people

1366
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:50,840
as Scripture does. The evil that is done, not because

1367
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,159
it's anything that they get from scripture, but it's what

1368
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:56,119
they get from their catechisis in the world. It's a

1369
01:19:56,199 --> 01:19:59,439
cultural imposition. And these are like, these aren't left wing

1370
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,479
pastors talking about their guys were, but they made them

1371
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,319
so uncomfortable. They knew they would get some static for

1372
01:20:05,399 --> 01:20:08,159
saying the Jews killed Christ. From the pulpits they saw

1373
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:10,560
the Pharisees did it is that sort of sleight of

1374
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,600
hand that you know, these very small things that you know,

1375
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,840
start in seminaries and they have these little bits and

1376
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,720
pieces and sermons. It only takes a generation before no

1377
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,239
one can think the opposite. And the problem is that

1378
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:25,840
the opposite in this case is what Scripture says.

1379
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:27,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1380
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Speaker 3: As E.

1381
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 1: Michael Jones points out, the Gospel of John mentions Jews,

1382
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,439
I think seventy two times and seventy one times, it's

1383
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:41,199
a it uses a pejorative. So yeah, and I think

1384
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,000
anyone who's looked into the history of it knows how

1385
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,600
a lot of Jews feel about John chapter eight. I

1386
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:54,640
mean they that it infuriates them that Christ is basically

1387
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,039
saying thereof the devil.

1388
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 3: And it's a statement that's it's reiterated in the in Revelation,

1389
01:21:01,079 --> 01:21:04,800
the Epistles from Jesus Christ to the Seven Churches, and

1390
01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:08,399
Revelation two nine and three nine. He calls them the Jews,

1391
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,640
the ethnic Jews, the race of those people, the Synagogue

1392
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,479
of Satan, which is a phrase that gets you insta

1393
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,000
band on Twitter if you use it, even Elon's Twitter typing,

1394
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,520
Synagogue of Satan will get your posts deleted and you

1395
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:22,560
get a strike for it.

1396
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: I got away with it. It's still up. I don't

1397
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,399
know how. I don't know how I'm pulling off some

1398
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,119
of the stuff that I'm You must be in a session.

1399
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:33,880
I definitely.

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Speaker 2: There seems to be a jubilee right now. We'll see

1401
01:21:38,359 --> 01:21:40,960
how long it lasts, hopefully for a while so we

1402
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,399
can get some good done. But you very clearly have

1403
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,279
two competing groups in scripture. You have the Synagogue of

1404
01:21:47,359 --> 01:21:52,000
Satan and you have the Church of Christ. And that

1405
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:54,399
is again part of why we went over this issue

1406
01:21:54,439 --> 01:22:00,159
because the term Israel confuses many modern Christians because this

1407
01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:03,239
is the word concept thing. Again, it depends on what

1408
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:08,560
the term is referring to. The referent matters, and so

1409
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,279
when you say Israel, well, do you mean Jacob, do

1410
01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:14,119
you mean Old Testament Israel? Do you mean the Israel

1411
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:16,319
of God, which is to say, the Church. Do you

1412
01:22:16,359 --> 01:22:20,319
mean modern Israel, which is a geopolitical thing, not anything

1413
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:23,039
to do with our religion, not anything to do with

1414
01:22:23,039 --> 01:22:28,920
the truth. And dispensationalism, for instance, relies on flattening all

1415
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:32,960
of that and confusing people by not clearly delineating which

1416
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:38,239
one is meant you have two competing groups. Satan has

1417
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:42,079
his high priests, those are the Jews, and Christ has

1418
01:22:42,119 --> 01:22:46,439
his sheep, the Church. If you don't divide these groups,

1419
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,880
if you don't understand the division between them, you are

1420
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,960
going to wind up not just with a false religion,

1421
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,399
not just with a false understanding of scripture, but you're

1422
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,560
going to wind up with evil politics. And that's what

1423
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,399
we see to They are very real consequences of getting

1424
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,359
these things wrong. Yes, of course there's the consequences to

1425
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:09,520
your eternal soul personally, but there are the societal consequences

1426
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,000
where we have an entire nation of people who are

1427
01:23:13,039 --> 01:23:15,840
supporting to the tune of billions of dollars trillions of

1428
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,039
dollars over the many years we've supported them, a nation

1429
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,239
full of people who base their entire culture, their entire

1430
01:23:23,279 --> 01:23:26,680
religion off of hating God. And then we are supposedly

1431
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,560
saying we're going to be blessed because we support these people.

1432
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,760
It's completely ludicrous.

1433
01:23:34,039 --> 01:23:36,119
Speaker 1: Here's a question for you. I wasn't even planning on

1434
01:23:36,199 --> 01:23:39,800
asking this question. It just came to me when you look,

1435
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:46,319
and it seems that over the past month and a half,

1436
01:23:46,359 --> 01:23:52,039
since this whole thing started, it's one of those either

1437
01:23:52,239 --> 01:24:00,479
or arguments. If you're seeing the opportunity that's happening to, yeah,

1438
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:04,760
tear down Israel as much as possible, tear down Zionism

1439
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,600
as much as possible. You're on the side of the Muslims,

1440
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:11,039
you know, you're on the side of Islam at this point.

1441
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:13,640
Which one do you think is more of a danger

1442
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,520
to the West?

1443
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,199
Speaker 3: I think that I like for the next six months.

1444
01:24:20,199 --> 01:24:23,720
I don't have any problem with us having troops there.

1445
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,239
I think they should be facing the other direction. I

1446
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:29,800
think that we should be preventing anyone from interfering with

1447
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:34,720
this battle that they started. You know, there's been I'm

1448
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:39,159
thankful there's been. With the reduction of censorship on Elon's Twitter,

1449
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,560
it's possible for people to share maps that show in

1450
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:48,000
nineteen forty seven, going back many centuries, the place where

1451
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:50,840
the state of Israel today is on the map was

1452
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,520
Palestine for centuries. These people who live there, who had

1453
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,399
their land taken are they're the victims. They're living in

1454
01:24:59,399 --> 01:25:04,000
an open air concentration camp. And yes they're Muslims, and

1455
01:25:04,079 --> 01:25:06,399
I have a problem with their religion and to the

1456
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:08,640
extent that they want to be violent against my people.

1457
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,319
We'll finish that fight when they bring it. But this

1458
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,600
is not our backyard. This is a problem that happened

1459
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,199
when you know, after nine to eleven, the argument was

1460
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:21,319
May we got to go bomb I Rack because if

1461
01:25:21,399 --> 01:25:22,840
we don't fight them over there, we'll have to fight

1462
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,000
them over here. When it wasn't the same people at all,

1463
01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:28,479
and it was very arguably even apart from the Israelian

1464
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,159
Saudi connections, you have the CIA training and funding bin

1465
01:25:32,199 --> 01:25:35,880
Laden directly. So we mess with these people and then

1466
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,760
when there's the historic blowback, suddenly it just it's an

1467
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,600
excuse for the military industrial complex to make even more

1468
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,319
money and pour out more American blood in a place

1469
01:25:46,319 --> 01:25:49,359
where we have no business being I You know, it's

1470
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,439
these are always dangerous times for the online right because

1471
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:59,000
they're subversive narratives that are very easily to sell to people,

1472
01:25:59,119 --> 01:26:02,319
and one of them is is the pro Islamic Like

1473
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,399
I saw a tweet today from Andrew twit Tait who

1474
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,840
is basically saying that Islam is a better choice than

1475
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,079
trans and kids and providing that is a false dichotomy

1476
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,680
for the West, saying like, oh, you don't want your

1477
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,119
kids to be transill Muslims are the only ones fighting it.

1478
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,600
That's the sort of stuff that the retarded people on

1479
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,520
the right fall for, and it's shameful, and I abuse

1480
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,680
them as much as I'll abuse anybody else, because it's

1481
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:29,640
that's intolerably stupid. When something is false, and when something

1482
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,760
is evil, you confront it. And if that turns out

1483
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:37,520
to be racist, or it turns out to be politically incorrect, whatever, Muslims,

1484
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:43,039
when they're following the Qoran correctly, are not the friends

1485
01:26:43,039 --> 01:26:45,359
of the West. You have to be completely ignorant of

1486
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:49,000
the entire history of Europe to believe that it has

1487
01:26:49,039 --> 01:26:51,720
always been a religion of conquest and rape and murder.

1488
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:56,000
And the fact that there are lib Muslims today who

1489
01:26:56,039 --> 01:26:58,359
don't want to do those things doesn't change the nature

1490
01:26:58,399 --> 01:27:03,560
of the religion because they behave as they've been taught.

1491
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,520
When they're a minority, they will act in one way.

1492
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,880
As soon as they're majority, a switch flips and they

1493
01:27:10,079 --> 01:27:14,239
will impose taxes on non Muslims and all the other things.

1494
01:27:14,399 --> 01:27:18,439
So it's a political system inextricably linked to a religion,

1495
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,520
and it is both a competing enemy religion and is

1496
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,399
a competing enemy political system. Now that doesn't mean we

1497
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,600
topple or on. I don't care. Let the Persians be Persian.

1498
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,479
I wish they were Persian again instead of Iranian. I

1499
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,119
think when the Iatolas took over again, you know, we

1500
01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:38,000
were heavily involved in that crap. We keep going over

1501
01:27:38,039 --> 01:27:40,880
there and messing with these people for good or ill,

1502
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,319
and then more Americans have to die to clean up

1503
01:27:45,319 --> 01:27:49,239
a mess. I don't It is complicated, but it's very

1504
01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:51,399
simple what we should do. We should do nothing. And

1505
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,039
if that means it Israel gets wiped out, well it

1506
01:27:54,039 --> 01:27:58,359
shouldn't have existed to begin with, which is crucially completely

1507
01:27:58,399 --> 01:28:02,000
separate from saying that the race of Jews today shouldn't exist.

1508
01:28:02,199 --> 01:28:06,359
That's not a genocidal comment. The United Nations formed the

1509
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:10,279
state of Israel by stealing land from other people in

1510
01:28:10,319 --> 01:28:13,920
a place where literally all their neighbors hate them as

1511
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,000
an ethnicity and as a religion. They're at enmity with

1512
01:28:17,079 --> 01:28:20,760
everyone around them, but the un chose to put them there.

1513
01:28:21,159 --> 01:28:24,079
So yeah, there's going to continue to be battles until

1514
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:28,760
one side loses. That doesn't constitute an emergency on my part.

1515
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 2: I don't support others either side in this conflict because,

1516
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,600
quite frankly, I don't have a dog in the fight

1517
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,000
insofar as the conflict spills over into the West with

1518
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,000
if it happens to be supposed refugees or something like that,

1519
01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:49,640
then I have an interest. But if they're over there

1520
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:54,600
killing each other, it's one pagan group against another pagan group,

1521
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:58,319
I have no interest. They both hate God, they both

1522
01:28:58,359 --> 01:29:00,920
are not Christian. They're not my brothers by blood or

1523
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:05,960
by faith. I don't care what they're doing over there. Yes,

1524
01:29:06,079 --> 01:29:09,399
what Israel is doing is more evil, but I don't

1525
01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:13,199
think that means we have to support either side. If

1526
01:29:13,239 --> 01:29:17,640
we happened to give arms to the Palestinians and that

1527
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,039
just caused more chaos for those two groups, I wouldn't

1528
01:29:21,039 --> 01:29:24,439
necessarily object to that, because those groups weakening each other

1529
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:28,039
is good for us in so far as Israel doesn't

1530
01:29:28,039 --> 01:29:31,800
decide to exercise the Sampson option anyway, which is obviously

1531
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,720
a major problem. They should not have nuclear weapons, and

1532
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,359
under US laws, illegal for US to give them foreign

1533
01:29:38,399 --> 01:29:41,600
aid if they have nuclear weapons, which they've now admitted openly.

1534
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,880
They've publicly admitted this number of times now. They used

1535
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,119
to be coy about it. They've decided they're quite bold

1536
01:29:47,159 --> 01:29:50,680
these days. So now I have no interest in that

1537
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,319
conflict and I would like us to be uninvolved in it.

1538
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,199
But it comes back to again, it's the issue of dispensationalism,

1539
01:29:57,199 --> 01:30:00,000
these false ideas in the Church about what Scripture means

1540
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,800
and what Christians are supposed to do. And to tie

1541
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,640
this back to an earlier point, we were speaking about

1542
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,520
Pagans earlier, and I call them pagans in the vague sense,

1543
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:15,640
the more expansive sense of the term. The neo Pagans

1544
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:20,319
really are spiritually and intellectually just like the Jews. And

1545
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:25,439
the reason for that is fairly straightforward. The Jews believe,

1546
01:30:26,039 --> 01:30:29,359
and they did believe. It's part of why they rejected Christ.

1547
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,800
They believe they're saved by their blood. They believed that

1548
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,600
this was an ethnic religion, that it was God came

1549
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,079
down and told the Jews, you're special. I'm going to

1550
01:30:38,079 --> 01:30:40,920
save you. Everyone else is subhuman, and I'm going to

1551
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,960
kill them and make them serve you. That's what they believe.

1552
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,560
That's what they write in the Talmud and John the

1553
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,319
bapt is very clear God can raise up for Abraham

1554
01:30:50,359 --> 01:30:56,479
from these stones new sons. They are not special, and

1555
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,199
they are not saved by their blood, and they hate that.

1556
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:02,039
That's one of the reasons that they hate christ. Neopagans

1557
01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:04,840
are the same way. They want to say that, well,

1558
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,840
we're white and we're European, and so our blood is

1559
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,560
so special that we are above everyone else and great

1560
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,279
and wonderful, and we're saved by our blood, and we

1561
01:31:13,279 --> 01:31:16,800
should worship our ancestors and our blood. They're just doing

1562
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,680
the same thing as the Jews for their own group.

1563
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,560
It's no different, and that's not true. And the reason

1564
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,920
it's not true is very simple. Truth is objective. Something

1565
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,560
is either true or it is false. It is not

1566
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:34,119
a matter of well, i'm Europeans, so this is true. No,

1567
01:31:34,279 --> 01:31:38,079
it's true or it's false. Either God is God or

1568
01:31:38,119 --> 01:31:41,239
he is not God. It doesn't matter if you're European,

1569
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:45,279
or you're Indian, or you're Asian, whatever you are. God

1570
01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:49,159
is God because he's God. And some Neopagans don't like

1571
01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:52,239
that about Christianity. They'll say it's a universalist religion. It is.

1572
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,960
Christianity is a universalist religion in terms of its claims

1573
01:31:57,039 --> 01:32:00,399
and in terms of its truth. If Christianity is true,

1574
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:05,119
it offers salvation to all. However, it is not universalist

1575
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:08,880
in the sense of destroying distinctives between and among people groups.

1576
01:32:09,359 --> 01:32:12,199
Because God is very clear in scripture he sets the

1577
01:32:12,199 --> 01:32:15,119
boundaries in the times of the nations, which means he

1578
01:32:15,159 --> 01:32:18,840
created the races, and he is the one who decided

1579
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,920
in his wisdom that human beings should have races, they

1580
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:27,000
should be distinct, they should be separated geographically, and that

1581
01:32:27,119 --> 01:32:29,760
is something that we should not seek to subvert. And

1582
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:34,399
so the neo pagan idea that it's wicked or it's wrong,

1583
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:38,800
that Christianity is universalist is just completely ludicrous. The laws

1584
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,279
of logic don't depend on your race. A is a

1585
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:46,319
whether you're white, black, or brown, that doesn't change. The

1586
01:32:46,359 --> 01:32:49,359
same is true of religious truth claims. They are true

1587
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:53,079
or they are false, regardless of race. And so trying

1588
01:32:53,079 --> 01:32:55,920
to make an ethnic religion is just trying to do

1589
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:00,640
what the Jews have been doing for millennia. It's filling Hell. Jews.

1590
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,479
I'd rather we not fill Hell with Europeans doing the

1591
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:07,760
same thing, but you know, worshiping Thor instead of worshiping

1592
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:14,000
whatever various gods the Jews worship. And so I would

1593
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,039
oppose the Neopagans because of that. But back to the

1594
01:33:17,279 --> 01:33:20,880
immediate question. I obviously oppose both sides because the Muslims

1595
01:33:21,279 --> 01:33:25,720
are ancient, hereditary enemies of the Christian name and religion.

1596
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:29,600
To paraphrase the preface to the Augsburg Confession, because that

1597
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:33,239
was part of what was discussed when the Lutheran Confession

1598
01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:36,920
was introduced. They were discussing at Augsburg what to do

1599
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:40,760
about the Muslims invading Europe at the time. And the

1600
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:44,399
term used in the Lutheran Confessions, and this is very

1601
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,800
relevant today for Lutherans, particularly because it makes some Lutheran

1602
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,399
pastors uncomfortable, which is generally good. They should be uncomfortable.

1603
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:58,279
The term used is abfind, which means blood enemy. It

1604
01:33:58,359 --> 01:34:01,159
is an ancient, it is an hereditary enemy. It is

1605
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:05,319
someone who is your enemy by blood, by race. And

1606
01:34:05,399 --> 01:34:09,119
that is the case historically and today for the Muslims.

1607
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:13,239
They encompass a number of races. Today obviously it's the Persians,

1608
01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:17,119
the Arabs, and a couple others. But they are an

1609
01:34:17,319 --> 01:34:21,359
enemy of the West of Christianity by blood, and the

1610
01:34:21,359 --> 01:34:23,960
same is true for the Jews. So no, I don't

1611
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:28,119
support either side because they both hate Christians. They hate Christ,

1612
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:31,000
they hate God. They are my enemies because they are

1613
01:34:31,119 --> 01:34:33,159
enemies of all that is good and true. They are

1614
01:34:33,239 --> 01:34:37,279
enemies of God. As I've said many times before, I

1615
01:34:37,319 --> 01:34:39,960
do not have personal enemies. I don't count anyone my

1616
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,920
personal enemy, even those who are trying to swap me

1617
01:34:43,119 --> 01:34:45,800
or do various other things. I would be very annoyed

1618
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,800
if they got my dog shot, admittedly, but I don't

1619
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,479
consider these people personal enemies because the only enemies I

1620
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,600
have are those who are enemies of God. Because that

1621
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:58,680
is what Scripture commands us to do. We are to

1622
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,960
forgive our person personal enemies inimiki to use the Latin,

1623
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,680
because there's a distinction here between the personal enemy and

1624
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,800
the public enemy. And so a public enemy of your state,

1625
01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:12,479
you can oppose someone who seeks to destroy your people,

1626
01:35:13,079 --> 01:35:16,000
but the public enemies, in terms of being public enemies

1627
01:35:16,039 --> 01:35:20,279
of God, you are required to hate. And that is

1628
01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:23,039
something that is missed by so many modern Christians. They

1629
01:35:23,039 --> 01:35:26,800
seem to think that you just love everyone. And yes,

1630
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:30,439
you show love in the sense that you pray for people,

1631
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,159
You hope that they repent, You hope they turn to Christ.

1632
01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:36,479
I obviously hope that for all of the people over there.

1633
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:39,960
Imagine the peace and the prosperity we'd have in the

1634
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,880
world if we woke up tomorrow and everyone we're Christian,

1635
01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:46,960
we'd live in a virtual paradise as close as we

1636
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:52,560
can get in this fallen world. That won't happen. Those individuals,

1637
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:57,279
those nations, those peoples, those races are enemies of God,

1638
01:35:57,359 --> 01:36:01,159
and therefore they are enemies of individ Jewel Christians, and

1639
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:04,039
we are required because they are God's enemies and he

1640
01:36:04,119 --> 01:36:07,760
hates them, we are required to hate them. You still

1641
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pray for them, because you can pray for your enemies

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at the same time as hating them. Someone who is

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seeking to destroy you, you can pray for his conversion

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so that he will stop his evil, so he will

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stop being wicked and stop being your enemy. But so

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long as he is the enemy of your people, the

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enemy of God, you are required as a Christian to

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hate him, because there is no love without hate, because

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to love something necessarily entails to hate that which seeks

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to destroy it.

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Speaker 1: If you have no objections, I think we can end

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it right there. Tell everybody where they can find the

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01:36:43,119 --> 01:36:45,359
podcast and anything else you would like them too.

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Speaker 3: You can find well. The podcast is available on every

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01:36:49,399 --> 01:36:52,840
of the podcast director. You can find in every app store,

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01:36:53,079 --> 01:36:56,880
every app outlet, with the exception of the episode the

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Big Lie, which was on the Wholeabunga has been removed

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01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,600
moved from Spotify. That's the only thing we know has

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01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,159
been censored so far. Probably won't be the last one.

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So if you do the big lie about the Hula Bunga,

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01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:14,279
the whole Holocaust, oh okay, yeah, uh, everything else, you

1662
01:37:14,279 --> 01:37:16,840
can find and pretych all the services. It's also a

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stone hyphen choir dot com if I can just make

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a brief comment on the episodes, we've as much as possible.

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We try to avoid doing anything timely. There's often a

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lot of coincidental timing, but we've endeavored to create a

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01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:35,359
back catalog that will be timeless. So if you listen

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to a random episode and like it, I would encourage

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you to start from the beginning, in part because you know,

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01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:46,079
every episode tackles something we think was important to address,

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01:37:46,279 --> 01:37:50,399
and many of them build over time, so there as

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we get further and further along, there's more and more

1673
01:37:53,079 --> 01:37:57,079
references back to principles or points that were established in

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previous episodes. So we try to make sure that each

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episode will stand alone topically, but in terms of the

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overall arching flow of everything we're getting across. It is

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worth actually going back. And I'm not just saying that

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because you know, we did it and we worked on it,

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but a lot of people who have done that from

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01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:17,479
the beginning have have told us that they were very

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grateful they did.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of podcasts, so you can you

1684
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,520
know it's because it's you're ripped from the headlines. Unless

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01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:25,319
you want to go back and get the pulse of

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01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:28,159
a certain day on the calendar, there might not be

1687
01:38:28,199 --> 01:38:31,479
a lot of interesting content, but that will not be

1688
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the case for what we do, and there's only there's

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01:38:34,119 --> 01:38:37,640
We put up episode fifty two today, so it's an

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achievable amount. I'll mention just the subject of the length,

1691
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because we were shy about it. In the first couple episodes.

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We didn't know we've never well Quarrey's out a podcast before,

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01:38:47,039 --> 01:38:50,680
but specifically you know, doing Bible readings and such and

1694
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:56,560
occasionally doing homilies. We didn't know how long we want

1695
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to be, and we didn't know if anyone would listen

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and what they would tolerate. So the we were initially

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shooting for like an hour. I think the first episode

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is about seventy five minutes, and then the second one was

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like ninety minutes, and then pretty quickly we did a

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01:39:08,119 --> 01:39:09,840
two hour episode and we called it at the time

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a double episode. It was on election and view of Headship.

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Because we thought two hours was absurd. We didn't think

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anybody listened to it. It turns out that a whole

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lot of people are willing to listen for two hours.

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One of the things that we were good at because

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I've listened to a ton of podcasts. I know what

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01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:29,399
annoys me. There's no fluff. We go straight to the point,

1708
01:39:29,399 --> 01:39:32,159
there's no joking around. So in two hours, you're really

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01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:34,479
going to get three or four hours of content and

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01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,560
a lot of other shows. So you know, it's nice

1711
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,079
thing about a podcast. You can pick it up and

1712
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:40,479
put it down. You don't have to listen to it

1713
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,199
all in one session. But some of them are pretty long.

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01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,439
If you look at the two hour length and thinking

1715
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,079
I'm not listening to that crap, give one a shot

1716
01:39:48,359 --> 01:39:52,119
because time will actually fly. You'll be surprised at how

1717
01:39:52,199 --> 01:39:54,600
quickly it goes because you're not going to be sitting

1718
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,399
there tolerating a couple of guys just kind of shooting

1719
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,319
the crap we we're going to bear you. There are

1720
01:40:01,039 --> 01:40:02,439
a lot of episodes you're gonna want to listen to

1721
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:05,680
you more than once, just because there's so much information conveyed.

1722
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,079
So that's my pitch for the for the back catalog.

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It's it's all important. And as we go further along,

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more and more we realize that I'm glad we got

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01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,680
an episode laid down because it's it turned out to

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be crucial for something that we had to address next.

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Speaker 1: I agree with all of that. Thanks guys, I really

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appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having us