WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:13.000 Okay, we've got shooters here, shooters here. I'll tell you 2 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:25.199 don't trig Hey, what's your probably? 3 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:30.920 Draw it again? Draw it again? Here the ace field man. 4 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:34.000 Draw it again. It's a simple diagram. Just draw it again. 5 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:39.640 Draw what you saw? Draw it again, Draw it again. 6 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:44.479 Two shooters. 7 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:47.920 Car comes through here, shooters across from each other, kill 8 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:48.560 each other dead. 9 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:50.039 Oh my, where'd you learn that? 10 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:50.640 Huh? 11 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:51.560 In a regiment? 12 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:52.600 What regiment was that? 13 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:54.880 The twenty second Special Air Service? What's the color of 14 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:55.399 the boat house? 15 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:55.759 In here for? 16 00:00:57.320 --> 00:00:58.799 What's the color of the boathouse? 17 00:00:58.840 --> 00:00:59.880 And here for at all? 18 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.399 You're at the color of the boat color? 19 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:09.439 You got my arm? Go ahead, shothing. 20 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:21.120 Tell me about an ambush. 21 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:27.560 Tell me about an ambush. 22 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:31.439 You'll get your money when we get the kiss. 23 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:34.200 The other's two. That is what I understood. 24 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:47.400 Come on, we've gotten the word. We're moving. 25 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:57.920 Welcome to cinem Ego, a podcast all about expanding the 26 00:01:58.000 --> 00:01:59.959 cinematic horizons of its home. 27 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:04.959 Matt, My god, I haven't been fucked like that since Great. 28 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.319 School, Rob, Do I feel lucky? 29 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:08.879 Plump? Do you? 30 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:12.240 And hydro Bern? Plump? 31 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:23.560 Fuck? Why younger than what? Listen, lady, what's our review? 32 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:27.000 Is it? Something old, is it something new? Is it foreign? 33 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.319 How many reviewers? Is it just Heideberg, Matt and Rob. 34 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:32.840 If it's gonna be amateur night, then the review of 35 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:34.759 the film has got to be my choice. It's got 36 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.759 to be John Frankenheimer's Ronan, and everyone here has got 37 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:38.319 to review it. 38 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:41.759 Are cigarette? 39 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:47.120 So yeah, we we are gonna be covering nineteen ninety 40 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:52.719 eight's Ronan, directed by John Frankenheimer. Have any of you 41 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:54.240 guys seen this film before? 42 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.479 I have seen this film in the theaters, Uh, the 43 00:02:58.560 --> 00:02:59.719 first time I released? 44 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:03.479 Yes, No, I did not know this movie existed. 45 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:05.560 All right, this is gonna be fun. 46 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:08.560 Why did you pick it? Rap? 47 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:09.840 Well, let me tell you. 48 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:10.560 So. 49 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:12.680 This is a film that I saw as soon as 50 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:15.280 it was available to rent because this is a film 51 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:19.159 that my father was interested in. And I've stated this previously, 52 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:22.120 but anything with cars and motorcycles and a good chase 53 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:26.000 scene are movies that my dad enjoys. And because of that, 54 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:29.439 I've also developed the same love and Ronan is right 55 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.719 up there with the great chase scenes in cinema history. 56 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:35.319 And we've been on a We've been on this really 57 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:40.199 weird kick of spy films recently which was not planned. 58 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:43.800 But I chose Ronan because it's a very different type 59 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.719 of spy film, which has more similarities to Les Samurai 60 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:51.680 more so than North By Northwest or Atomic Blonde. So 61 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.439 I wanted to bring this to the Cinamigo's crew and 62 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:55.759 see what you guys think about it. 63 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:57.039 Nice. 64 00:03:57.560 --> 00:03:59.360 I think it's funny that you think this is a 65 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.759 spy film, because in my my brain, this is a 66 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:04.960 heist film. Yeah, those are different things. 67 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.680 Well, it's a little bit of both. Yeah, But I 68 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:10.800 even thought about that just before, and I was like, 69 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:13.159 I was kind of calling it a spy thriller ask 70 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:15.319 heist film, and I'm like, it's a little bit more 71 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:17.920 heist than spy, but there's spies in it, Like there's 72 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:19.399 X spies and spy stuff. 73 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:21.839 Yeah, milange. 74 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:26.399 Yeah, it really is a milange of it's paying a 75 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:28.600 tribute to a lot of yeah, paying a lot of 76 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:32.759 different tributes to certain types of film. And we'll we'll 77 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.360 we'll talk about that as we go along. But I uh, 78 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:37.720 it's just a really interesting film that I can't wait 79 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.160 to cover with you guys. But when do we get 80 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.000 that pended hydroberd spoiler warning and I'll get the synopsis 81 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.199 and talk about some pre production. 82 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:51.160 Nice you hey you yeah you I'm looking at you. 83 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:53.480 Don't you daan spoil this movie? 84 00:04:53.879 --> 00:05:00.319 You freelancing former US intelligence agent tries to try down 85 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.920 a mysterious package that is wanted by the Irish and 86 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:03.920 the Russians. 87 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.079 All Right, So I saw this movie in the theater 88 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.680 and it was definitely a movie I remember pretty well 89 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:12.879 in the theater. This was a fun I don't know, 90 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.839 this was like, I guess one of my big boy 91 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.120 de Niro movies, like when I was able to see 92 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.560 de Niro films in the theater and Rob you had 93 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.680 mentioned outside of this recording that this might be one 94 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.279 of his like last great like films of this nature, 95 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.639 you know, leading man sort of driven. Yeah. 96 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.199 I really do feel that this is kind of the 97 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:37.720 last great Robert de Niro as we know him from 98 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:42.319 all of his past filmography, from like The Godfather or 99 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.000 Heat stuff like that, where it's like this is in 100 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.120 that same caliber of acting that we just don't get 101 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:53.680 any anymore from him until like The Irishman, but that's 102 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.680 you know, it's like twenty five years later. 103 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.879 And a role that's probably specifically written for him as well. 104 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.759 Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that, but as far as 105 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.600 some pre production, our film got its start as a 106 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:12.360 screenplay written by John David Syke, who did things like Pistol, 107 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:16.600 Whipped the Touch, and the witch Blade TV series, and 108 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.160 he was inspired by the James Clavell novel Shogun and 109 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:23.000 the story of the forty seven Ronin and developed a 110 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.839 story said in modern times with the philosophies of those 111 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:30.639 two stories. Just before filming began, bame screenwriter David Mammont, 112 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.160 who did things like The Verdict, The Untouchables. Glengarry Glenn 113 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:37.600 Ross was brought on to expand certain elements of the story, 114 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:41.839 including further developing Robert de Niro's character and developing more 115 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.120 of a love interest between the de Niro character and 116 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:49.360 Natasha mclhaney's character. However, problem developed in dishing out which 117 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.680 writer was to be credited with what The Writer's Guild 118 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:56.639 of America awarded majority credit to psych which Mammoth, the 119 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:59.800 more experienced writer, contested, and when he did not win 120 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:02.439 the argument, he withdrew his name from the film and 121 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:07.160 used the pseudonym Richard Weiss. And as I say that 122 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:10.680 this is directed by John Frankenheimer, he's do on films 123 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:15.120 like The Train French Connection two in Grand Prix, and 124 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:18.399 this was Frankenheimer's penultimate film, as he would pass away 125 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:22.160 in two thousand and two. Many of Frankenheimer's films had 126 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:25.040 been shot in France, and the director also lived there 127 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.959 and chose this script because he liked the story and 128 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.399 felt he could best showcase the real France and through 129 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.800 that created an interesting pairing of nineties action, spy, thriller 130 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:39.000 and neo noir films. Because of his connections in France 131 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.439 and the desire the powers that be in France wanting 132 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.920 to make a desired film. Because of his connections in 133 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.600 France and the desire of the powers that be in 134 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.279 France wanting to make it a desired filming location for 135 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:55.839 Hollywood films, they waived the law that prohibited the firing 136 00:07:55.839 --> 00:08:02.040 of weapons during film shoots for this film. Yeah, and 137 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:06.680 initially Jerry Goldsmith, who we discussed on our Legend episode, 138 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:08.839 was commissioned to write the score for the film, but 139 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.439 left the project. Frankenheimer was given a choice between a 140 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:17.839 group of composers and chose check composer Aleah Smiril, who 141 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:20.639 had never done a film score before. Well Smyral was 142 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.000 shown to was shown the final edit of the film. 143 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:25.600 The only notes that director gave him was that the 144 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:30.360 score had to reflect the themes of sadness, loneliness and heroism, 145 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.919 and to do that, one of the instruments he used 146 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.639 was an Armenian is ring called the du Duke, which 147 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.399 is heard prominently in the main theme of the film. So, 148 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.679 like when you hear the title thing, that's the yeah, 149 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:49.559 that's kind of the yeah. That's the instrument that he's 150 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.879 using to kind of create that that feel. 151 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.200 It does sort of I guess maybe it's supposed to 152 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.799 vote that Japanese sort of vibe a little bit. Absolutely, yeah, 153 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:01.759 But there are times where it feels a little off. 154 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:03.919 I could see why though, because you're like, it's supposed 155 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.720 to be like a heroic moment, a sad moment, you know, 156 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:10.639 and sometimes music doesn't fit quite that way exactly. So 157 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.399 there are a couple of moments where I think, and 158 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.159 like I said, and this is also a guy who's 159 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:17.200 doing a film score for the very first time. 160 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:20.679 He had been an accomplished composer, but not really a 161 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:21.360 film score. 162 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:23.600 It's still good, but there were a couple of moments 163 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:25.720 where I noticed it in the beginning, especially where I 164 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:27.639 was like, this feels a little weird, like some of 165 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:28.720 the music here and there. 166 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:32.720 Yeah, but when do we dive into the film. 167 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:34.799 I just want to say right away, I do like 168 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:37.440 that it's Paris, but it's not the Paris we're used to, 169 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.360 you know, it's the countryside Paris. Like, I like that 170 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.720 about it, And I also love I love the way 171 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:47.440 the movie starts and the way the group meets Matt. 172 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:50.159 You might agree with me here. It starts like a 173 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.799 D and D campaign, much like one. They all meet 174 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:54.559 in a pub, they don't know each other. 175 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:55.960 Yeah, yeah, and. 176 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:00.600 Yn a job, I. 177 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.320 Would say, I like the beginning of this movie is 178 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:08.559 probably the weakest part of the movie. The I think 179 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:12.000 it's too long to set everything up and then like 180 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:14.399 they go on like this side first thing is like 181 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.080 the site side mission where they're getting to know each other, 182 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.240 and I feel like, I feel like like it's very 183 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:23.200 clunky in it. 184 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:24.720 What do you mean in the car like when they 185 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:25.799 did the gun job. 186 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:29.240 Well, so so the whole the whole bar thing, the 187 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:32.240 whole bar thing feels clunky. I like the bar the bar, 188 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:34.960 I love the setting. I just I think it could 189 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:37.559 have been more smooth out. They could have they could 190 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:40.519 have explained to me why I'm along for the ride. 191 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:44.879 I felt like I was being Yeah, well but but 192 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.120 still I feel like I'm being dragged along. I get 193 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.279 drugged from the bar to the warehouse, I get drug 194 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.879 from the warehouse to buying the guns, and then when 195 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.120 we get done buying the guns, I feel like that's 196 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:57.519 when the movie actually starts. 197 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:02.200 Uh and a degree, Your right, Matt. But here's why 198 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:05.480 I think that this does work. And because these are 199 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:09.000 these are all mercenaries that are being hired by what 200 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:12.360 as far as we know, Deirdre, who will come to 201 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.879 find out is her name. She's the one who's hiring 202 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:18.679 these guys for a mission. So they are meeting at 203 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:21.080 this pub and we're going to stand. 204 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.600 Like cases it out checks this exit strategy choking points 205 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.000 like that sees who's going in and out for us. 206 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:29.519 Yeah, so, like I said, we're we're getting an idea 207 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:33.039 of who our characters are, their personalities. We're meeting at 208 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:36.840 this Yeah, we're meeting at this pub, and then we 209 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:40.279 are going to the hub like where we're going to 210 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.399 be working on figuring out this mission, which is getting 211 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:49.519 this case, and in doing so we realize, ok, well, yeah, 212 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.159 once again, Yeah, it's a mcguffin that ultimately we never 213 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.759 figure out what it is. Yeah, but we One of 214 00:11:54.799 --> 00:12:00.919 our characters is a requisitions guy, h Vincent, and he is, Okay, 215 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.720 what are we gonna We know a little bit about 216 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:06.080 what we need to do. What are we gonna need 217 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:09.440 to do to accomplish that? We need cars, we need guns, 218 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:13.480 we need this, we need this technical computer equipment. And 219 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.960 so in doing that, that's why we go on the 220 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:17.120 mission to get the guns. 221 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:21.000 Like it shows people's specialties and what each person's bringing 222 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:23.120 to the group because they're not all gunmen. And then 223 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:27.720 it shows like Sam's very capable, like he seems to know. 224 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.879 Robert de Niro saves them scenes. As far as I'm concerned. 225 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.679 I feel like you feel dragged along because you are 226 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.159 thrown in the mix, because you're thrown into Sam's perspective. 227 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.320 But we don't know much about Sam because he's a spook. 228 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.720 Well, there's really like three scenes where they are asking 229 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:51.519 the Laura Laura's Didra like Dedra. They're asking Didra, Hey, 230 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:53.960 so what's going on? And She's like, I can't tell 231 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.480 you yet, and I'm like, this is the third time 232 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:58.879 they're not on. 233 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:04.159 They don't need to know, and yeah, it's it's Uh. 234 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:07.399 That's one of the things that is a running thing 235 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:10.080 of this film because we don't really know who the 236 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:13.679 the backers, because Deirdre is not the backers, She's just 237 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.600 the front man of this group that is hiring these 238 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.399 guys and we'll find out about that later. 239 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:22.919 But man, I like, I feel like I jumped in. 240 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:26.720 Yeah, no, no, that's I just wanted to give the 241 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:28.679 movie a little bit of bail. And maybe because this 242 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.480 is your first time watching it. See, this is a 243 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:34.919 film I've seen. I couldn't tell you how many times. 244 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.879 So me for what we're. 245 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.320 Gonna get, yeah, Cloak and Dagger, we don't have all 246 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:44.039 the answers exactly. 247 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:45.919 And so but like I said, and Matt's going to 248 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.639 give us a great perspective because this is his first time. 249 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:51.240 So I'm looking forward to that. But that, like I said, 250 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.639 this first scene really sets up some of our characters 251 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:59.120 and like their their personalities, especially Sam, who we see 252 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:05.240 him as very calculated. He's he's not fucking around and uh, 253 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:08.639 as I said earlier, like this is this is our 254 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.600 first real Robert de Niro film Robert de Niro, who 255 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.919 plays Sam And like I said, I enjoyed our early episodes, 256 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:16.480 the movies that we covered with him. 257 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:17.759 Wow, I mean, I don't know. 258 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:23.039 I guess that's that's a that's a that's a salone movie. 259 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:26.000 That's not a de Niro film. DeNiro is plays a 260 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:27.879 big he plays a big part in it, but he's 261 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:31.200 a supporting character. We see for ten minutes in the film. 262 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:34.320 He's not really our main character. This is a de 263 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:39.960 Niro film. Yeah, And he and like you like you predicted, 264 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:44.000 he was a desired actor for the role and Frankenheimer 265 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.720 was actually surprised that he was one available and two 266 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:52.120 interested in the role. And I like DeNiro. Yeah. DeNiro 267 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.919 plays like a character that I really love, a character 268 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:59.519 that's both intelligent, observing and kind of a smart and 269 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:02.519 a smart as I likes like. 270 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:06.080 That moment where he's like when Sean Bean's character is like, y'all, 271 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.080 ever you have killed anybody, and he's like, I heard 272 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.960 somebody's feelings. Once you know, he's not revealing what he 273 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:14.720 who he is. First of all, Sean Bean's character Spencer 274 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.279 is like a blowhard and instantly you can tell he's. 275 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:20.360 We're gonna we are going to talk about that he 276 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:21.000 doesn't die. 277 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:22.200 He doesn't. 278 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:25.759 Yeah, well, one, I have a I have a theory 279 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:29.879 about about his character and too, we'll talk about him 280 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:32.159 not dying in this film and how close he did 281 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:32.799 come to dying. 282 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:35.720 Are you gonna say, Matt, Well, I was just I 283 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.399 don't think Sam is a smart ass. I think he's 284 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.360 just he's just no nonsense and he wants to be 285 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.960 your own business, and he gets when people aren't, like 286 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.759 when people are goofing off when it's time to work 287 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:47.360 the jobs. 288 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:48.360 Yeah, exactly. 289 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:51.559 Yeah, well I like the comments is like what you 290 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:53.600 care about saving your own is? All you care about 291 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:54.519 is saving your own skins? 292 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.879 Like, yeah, covers my body's my body. 293 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:57.200 Yeah. 294 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:59.320 I love that. Even Deirdre had to like try not 295 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:01.519 to laugh because she's like she can't take a side, 296 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.320 but she's already a note. Like everybody's noticing that Sam's 297 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:05.879 the one in the room to listen to it in 298 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:09.200 a way they're not like only Sean Bean's character is 299 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:09.919 like you. 300 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:12.480 Know, yeah, in a lot of ways, he's the real 301 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:13.759 leader of this group. 302 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:16.879 He's the one asking the question, like the really important questions, 303 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:20.159 but everybody else is capable. The driver guys capable, Larry uh, 304 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:20.440 you know. 305 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:22.919 And I grew. 306 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:25.200 I grew very fond of the driver guy. 307 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:26.559 I did too. I wish we got more. 308 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.679 He has so few lines, and yet I'm like, yeah. 309 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.519 I get he's a stoic guy, and you could tell 310 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:34.639 like that's part of his character. But at the same time, 311 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:36.879 I would have wish they would like talk more about 312 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:38.720 their personal lives a little bit. I wish there was 313 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.559 a little bit more of that. Actually, I get why 314 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:42.240 you don't have that, because they're like, you know, we 315 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:44.200 can't tell each other who we are. But there is 316 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.399 a budding friendship between Vincent and Sam. We get that 317 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.799 early on, and it feels natural too, the way they 318 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:51.440 start having a mutual respect for well. 319 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.200 So I also noticed that the Sam tests some people, 320 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:57.279 but not not the ones that we meet in the club, 321 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.399 and and. 322 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:04.279 I think he can't figure out right away, right right. 323 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.640 And Greg, Gregor and Spence, he tests them and like, oh, 324 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.119 just kind of like a little thing, like, oh, Gregor 325 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:14.359 has really good reflexes. Spence has no idea what the 326 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:15.160 fuck is going on. 327 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:19.079 I can tell you that himself just by talking. 328 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:21.680 Yeah, but uh. 329 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:25.279 At first I was like, Sean Bee's doing a horrible job. 330 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.359 And then I was like, Sean Bee is doing a 331 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:29.920 great job of making me hate him. 332 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:31.160 He seemed like a cokehead. 333 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:35.720 Yeah. Yeah, like he seemed we're gonna do it, right, 334 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:36.319 We're gonna do it. 335 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:36.720 Let's go. 336 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.279 I've I'm sure rob you too. I was in the 337 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.960 military and I've ran into this guy. Yeah, but to 338 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.319 think he is the alpha male and he's like he's 339 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:53.279 just wanting everyone to think he's cool, so bad that. 340 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:57.400 He's in line and learning he's a fucking idiot. Yeah, 341 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.720 learn when somebody else in the room knows more than 342 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.000 you and fucking follow their lead. I love that moment too, 343 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.200 where he's like, yeah, I got this, give me, give 344 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:06.680 me some of the money. And I like de Niro 345 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:08.480 like he's like, you know what, you think too much? 346 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:10.119 He's like, nobody ever told me that before? 347 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:10.759 You know? 348 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:13.519 Uh? And I like how he plays that situation, like 349 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:15.240 you want us to go in there with you? Nah, 350 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:17.200 I don't like. I like how that situation plays because 351 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.799 it shows our team starting to build. Like Larry pulls 352 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.039 up in the car. That was smart. He pulls up, 353 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.839 he grabs whatever guns were there at the deal, you know, 354 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:27.160 starts loading up the car like they're starting to be 355 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.079 a well oiled machine. In a way, I feel like. 356 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:35.480 That was Sam give me Sean Bean's character chances to think. 357 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:40.359 He's like he's giving him enough, Like are you sure? 358 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.039 This is why I'm not. 359 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:44.039 That's why he tells Vincent too, like all right, you're 360 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:45.640 gonna go in there. Here's what you need to know 361 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:49.160 if something goes down. And he was right that this is. 362 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.599 Where you learn. Vincent's Vincent's the fucking RD or die 363 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.599 good guy. Like he's like this is so stupid, but 364 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.440 I can't let this little boy get killed. 365 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.720 Yeah, He's like, they're paying me to do this, so 366 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:03.400 I have to do it. Yeah, he's got he's got 367 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:04.880 some kind of code, you know what I mean. There's 368 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.079 like a code you could tell. 369 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:10.680 The other Yeah. The other thing too, is he is like, 370 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:14.240 what what would it What would it benefit you with 371 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:17.920 me dying? It's like, well, I need the money. It's 372 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.759 like the money is right here, you can take the money. 373 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:22.720 And then they say it later too, we have the 374 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:24.960 money still and he's like yeah, but who you know 375 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.119 whose money is it? Like who are we who are 376 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.799 we doing this for Yeah, and that's smart. Yeah, but 377 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:34.599 that that reveals that's like him testing Sam as well. 378 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:36.960 That might be Vincent testing Sam to see if he 379 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:39.599 was the kind of guy who would just take the money, right. 380 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:43.640 And uh so we you know, we we have our 381 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:48.400 group that going from the pub to the this location 382 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:51.039 and that's where we meet our all our other characters. 383 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.400 I'll kind of introduce all our members of the team 384 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.920 that we're going to be discussing. And we've we've already 385 00:19:55.920 --> 00:20:00.880 talked about them a little bit. Yeah, Jehan Jean Renaud 386 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:05.000 who plays Vincent. He's been in films like Let Them, Nikita, Leon, 387 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:10.240 The Professional, The First Mission, Impossible, and like we we already. 388 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:12.319 Talked about by Nikita. 389 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.680 I have actually not seen the film. I saw the show. 390 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:19.559 Yeah, it's film with Jodi Foster. I think it's Jodie Foster. 391 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:26.720 Maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, wrong actress. Anyway, it's a good movie. 392 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:29.759 Yeah, I'm not said I've seen the show. I've just 393 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:33.720 never seen the film. But I like, we've talked about this, 394 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:36.599 but I love the friendship that develops between Sam and Vincent. 395 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:39.759 But I do have a question for you guys, why 396 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:43.519 do you think Vincent initiates the relationship between them. 397 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:45.720 What do you mean between Like. 398 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.359 Yeah, because he's the one that kind of approaches Sam 399 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:53.079 cigarette cigarette. Yeah, Like what do you just see? 400 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:57.119 It's like a professional, an older man who seems to 401 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:01.559 know his thing. He's quiet, he seems you know, I 402 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.240 don't know, like genuine in a way. So I feel 403 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:05.480 like he's gravitated towards him. 404 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:09.160 If you're gonna do something dangerous with another person, like 405 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:11.880 you want to kind of get a you want to 406 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:13.880 dial in their character and see what they're like, can 407 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:18.359 I really Yeah? And like so they they know immediately 408 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:22.319 not to trust Sean Bean's character. But like I feel 409 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:24.400 like they go around and they figure everyone else out 410 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:28.480 and they're like not not Pop a Scars guard, but 411 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:32.160 the driver, the driver, the French Gry and Sam. I 412 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:36.000 think those those three right there, they would have been. Yeah, 413 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:37.559 they're real on each other. 414 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:41.200 Yeah for sure, because like Vincent's good at getting this stuff, 415 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:43.200 the guys good at the getaway stuff. And then you 416 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:45.599 got Sam who's just the all round like know it, 417 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:47.599 he knows, he knows how to think. 418 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:52.240 About when it's time to be how much can we joke? 419 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.119 You're like like on the prize, but like, let's not 420 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.599 be Dick's you know, like they're all dialed in together 421 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:01.759 and then the other two or outliers. 422 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:04.000 Yeah. I think that's why he tests Gregor because he's 423 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.200 sort of like, is this guy KGB or like what 424 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.400 I don't know. Greg's supposed to be German? Yes, okay, 425 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.200 that's what. So he's thinking this guy is like probably 426 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:13.519 was like some kind of German. 427 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.160 He's no, actually sorry, he is Russian actually, because he's 428 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:19.440 KGB not k s A. 429 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:22.799 That's what it is. Yeah, So he's testing them to 430 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:25.039 see if he's just some kind of smart guy number 431 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:28.680 pusher or like, you know, if he can perform I guess, 432 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:33.519 and you know, if he can lethal. Dude, if he's lethal, yeah, d. 433 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:39.119 Dra Didre's boss meets up with her in the subway. Yeah, 434 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.160 he says, we gotta go now. You don't got time 435 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.759 to get shipped together. Was that before the guns are after. 436 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:48.599 Okay daring the guns? 437 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:50.799 Yeah, the guns. 438 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.440 When they got rid of Sean, they were already planning 439 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:56.319 phase at that point. 440 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.480 No. Here's the thing though, we yes, we see that 441 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:03.839 scene afterwards, but that was happening during Yeah, but. 442 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.839 Because she comes home immediately after and relays that same 443 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.960 information later in the. 444 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:11.160 I don't know that was happening. 445 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.960 They know they had moved into that apartment because she 446 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:15.839 came back to that apartment correct and was like, we 447 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:16.400 have to do it now. 448 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:19.079 No, this this happened while they were at the warehouse. Still. 449 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:20.960 Yeah, but they don't do the heightst from the warehouse. 450 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:22.880 They plan it from the apartment. 451 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:26.599 No, they know because the apartment is That's like, that's 452 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:27.440 a next That's. 453 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:28.960 What I'm saying, that's where the heist starts. 454 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:31.279 They they I think they had planned to stay in 455 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:34.720 the warehouse for a while and train and figure out 456 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:35.839 everything they were going through. 457 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.480 I forgot And then when she that happened. 458 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:40.440 Last she's like, we can't. We have to go straight 459 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:41.319 into the apartment. 460 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:44.319 That Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is this is 461 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:47.119 happening while they're acquiring the guns, this meet up between 462 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:53.039 Deirdre and Yeah. But anyways, So Natasha mcalhanney, she plays Deirdre. 463 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.880 You've seen her in the Truman Show, this remake of 464 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.400 Solaris and I remember her from the show California Indication. 465 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:04.720 Both her and Jonathan Price had a dialect coach to 466 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:09.960 help them with their accents because neither are from Northern Island. 467 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:13.400 We have Sellin Scarsguard, who plays Gregor. He's a returning 468 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:17.359 champion for us. Frankenheimer praised the level of the work 469 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.200 that scars Gard did that he brought to the role, 470 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.680 which included him developing a whole background as to why 471 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.640 his character acts in the way that he does. Obviously 472 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:28.359 that doesn't show up in the film or like any 473 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:31.960 sort of dialogue. But a lot of these actors, yeah, well, 474 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.680 a lot of these actors that like a Sellin scars 475 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.039 Guard will do work on their character like who am 476 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.160 I like let and they'll write up like a whole 477 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.240 essay on who their character is. I'm sure Robert de 478 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:47.680 Niro did the same thing. But stars Guard, Yeah, scars 479 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.599 Guard definitely did this. And Frankenheimer's just really impressed that 480 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:55.039 even even though he's not on screen all that much, 481 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.160 he still like is doing this crazy amount of work 482 00:24:58.160 --> 00:24:58.680 for the character. 483 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:03.440 And Guarden Dragon Tattoo, right, was the other film, that's correct. 484 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:07.839 Yeah. We have Sean Bean who plays Spence. He's been 485 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.880 in films like GoldenEye, The Lord of the Rings, and 486 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:14.319 he's in Game of Thrones one of the few films 487 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:17.240 that he does not die in, despite it being debated 488 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:19.720 by the director wondering if he should die or be 489 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:21.880 left to be on his way. 490 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.200 There is ambiguity whether like they might have cleaned up 491 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.440 after who knows what, We don't know. 492 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:33.160 So so there Frankenheimer taught because he's the I listened 493 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:35.119 to his audio. Yeah, because I was listening to the 494 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.440 audio commentary of the film that Frankenheimer. 495 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.759 Does because Seamus, I could see Shamus killing him just 496 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:41.519 to get him out of there. 497 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.000 Yeah. But what happened is, like the debate was that 498 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:47.359 Frankenheimer had kind of had it with themselves like should 499 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:49.559 I kill the off this character or should I just 500 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:52.759 let him kind of just go on his way? And 501 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.920 uh there they kind of filmed it both ways, like 502 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.000 where you just hear a gunshot and you know, as 503 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.000 they're going out out and he's like, no, I think 504 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.960 we're just gonna let him live and be kind of 505 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:09.720 live in this like in Shame essentially, Yeah. 506 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:10.880 He tried to play with the big boys, but you 507 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:11.640 were faking it. 508 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:16.960 So being described his character as being egotistical and out 509 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:22.680 of his depth quote unquote. However, I contend his character 510 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.519 is a fake. He claims that he's a firearm specialist 511 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.960 that served in the Special Air Service, but the questions 512 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.160 he asked of Sam and the group seemed to me 513 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.799 to be suspect, have you guys killed anyone? What kind 514 00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.240 of weapons do you use? Putting the guys in a 515 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.519 dangerous situation and not reading the danger, talking too damn much. 516 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:44.799 What do you think about I read it. 517 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.319 As a guy who didn't like was in the military 518 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:51.359 and either a like sucked right and never saw any action, 519 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.480 and he's pretending like he has, or he maybe flunked 520 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.480 out and never even fucking finished, but he learned a 521 00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:59.400 little bit, Like he knows his way around some guns, 522 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:01.759 and he knows a little bit, but he's always he's 523 00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:03.559 pretending the rest because he hasn't seen. 524 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.359 Any in reality. But I agree with you to a degree, 525 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.240 But like, overall, he's a fake. He's a fake. 526 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.200 I think I think he I think it doesn't matter 527 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:17.000 whether he knows the color of the boat house or not. 528 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.039 I don't think that's a well Sandon know the color 529 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:20.359 of the boat. 530 00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:26.240 I know he's bluffing, but uh, you know, that doesn't 531 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:27.559 mean that he didn't go to the school either. I 532 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:29.279 don't think that confirms it necessarily. 533 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:31.559 I don't. I don't think he ever did. I think 534 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.920 I think he failed out in boot camp. I guarantee 535 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:36.119 that he bailed out the next camp. 536 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.599 And he's just been like trying to, you know, pick 537 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.559 up jobs. How does a guy like that even find 538 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.319 out about a job like this? Then you know it's 539 00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:45.599 the only one that doesn't really have any qualifications like 540 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:46.000 the rest. 541 00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:50.599 Well that's something he had to at least do something. 542 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.160 I guess he just wanted like one more hired gun. 543 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.039 So like an next chacher. So here, here's the thing 544 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.319 I'm thinking about, because we have two different factions here, 545 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.039 well actually different factions if you will, because Deirdre and 546 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.960 Seamus are on their own faction. But because we have 547 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.759 the people that met in the pub. There's Vincent, there's Sam, 548 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.039 there's Larry, and then there's the people that were already 549 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:16.079 at the warehouse and that's Spence and Gregor. And the 550 00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.799 people that Sam doesn't trust are the people in the 551 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:23.079 warehouse and he tests them and those are also people 552 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.160 who the people that were already in the warehouse are 553 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.559 the people who fucked the mission or are at least 554 00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.920 attempted to in some degree. And that's where later on, 555 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.680 when Deirdre and Seamus are having this discussion, it's like 556 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.240 I hired them because there was from your fucking contact. 557 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.720 Why did your contact give me these people? 558 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:46.880 And they never find out who the contact is. The 559 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:47.799 man in the wheelchair right. 560 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.160 The man well, which is supposedly this this film takes 561 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:55.640 place in the Jason Bourne universe because the man in 562 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.240 the wheelchair is is a kind of a type of 563 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:03.680 person like that in the uh in the Bourn universe. 564 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.480 Is a man in the wheelchair in the Born universe? 565 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:05.720 Yeah? 566 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:06.119 Remember? 567 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.119 Yeah, Well we don't. Yeah, it's like we I don't 568 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.039 Born esque. Well, we don't necessarily see that in the films, 569 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.559 but we do see it in in the books that 570 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.720 they're based off of. There is a man in the wheelchair. 571 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:20.359 Uh. 572 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.400 But and then uh. We also have Skip Sudith who 573 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.400 plays Larry Uh. Mostly a journeyman actor, but many people 574 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.559 might know him from the TV series Third Watch. Yes 575 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.839 and yeah, Unlike the other actors, he actually did a 576 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:36.680 majority of his own driving stunts. 577 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.240 I thought, so it looks like it. Yeah, impressive, dude. 578 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.200 I fell in love with that car after seeing this 579 00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:47.839 movie eight Yeah that was in Sedan and just the 580 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.119 sound of it, like because I love how he's just 581 00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:51.799 like I need this, this and that and a fucking 582 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:52.559 nitrous tank. 583 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.519 And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, well he said nitrous. 584 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.960 I was like, Oh, that's so like Nights was new. 585 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.279 Like they had to show it, like in every movie 586 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.480 they're like this is this is this new fingle technology 587 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:10.640 that makes cars go fast. It didn't feel real, uh, 588 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.079 And we've slowly grown we've gotten away from that in movies, 589 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.799 but like there was like a six seven year period 590 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.079 where every car had nice not niciss, and you would see. 591 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.640 Them in this whatever. It's always been in movies, it 592 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.599 just hasn't had a name, Like it's been James By 593 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.119 movies all the time, but you just don't like they 594 00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.319 never name it. But it's like the switch and then 595 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:31.759 fucking the car zooms, you know. 596 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:34.119 It's also been around in racing, even though it's. 597 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.160 A little exactly know, but it's like it depends on 598 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.359 the race. It depends on racing. Like if you're doing 599 00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.880 drag racing, it's not necessarily illegal double yeah. 600 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:43.880 But as far as like any sort of like indy 601 00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.039 car or stock car racing. It's been around, but. 602 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.559 It makes sense for someone like this to install it, 603 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.960 like it's not like a fast and the furious sort 604 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.160 of like use of it. And then in this it's 605 00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:56.440 like he's building a getaway car, so he wants a 606 00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:58.799 little bit if they need to boost the fuck out 607 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.599 of there or catch up to the convoy, he needs 608 00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:03.880 that little bit of extra horsepower. He's probably pushing like 609 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.400 eight hundred horsepower and that fucking thing. 610 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:10.160 I feel like, dude, if in it feels like these Yeah, 611 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.680 these guys also were the stunt drivers were driving fast, 612 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.079 like really fast, And we'll we'll we'll talk about that 613 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.480 towards the. 614 00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:21.960 Hugi reaults. 615 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.720 So they're there. They had a Citron, they had a Pougeot, 616 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:30.720 they had m W they had a Diesel Mercedes. Uh, 617 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.039 but it's uh, we'll talk about that at the end 618 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.039 how they did some of those stunts when we get 619 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:38.160 to those those scenes. But man, they were fucking flying. 620 00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.519 And even the camera work when the camera we get 621 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.200 in the POV shots of the cars. 622 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.960 Yeah, and and certain the shots also make it even 623 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.079 look more frantic, but they really were driving at a 624 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.400 pretty aggressive speed. 625 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.480 You can tell from the interior shots like too. 626 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.279 Yeah. I wanted to talk about the the gun acquisition 627 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.839 scene as they're going to meet uh, their suppliers of 628 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:07.400 these guns, because I think this is obviously a very 629 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.119 important scene in the movie. 630 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.319 Doesn't know that they're going to get double cross here, right, 631 00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:14.000 This is just bad a bad connection because this is 632 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:15.319 through Vincent anyway. 633 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.000 Yes, through Vincent, through some French contents. 634 00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.440 Like you know these people or did your boss give you? 635 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.240 Just give you a phone number? Yeah, So, like he 636 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:26.160 suspect to begin with, he doesn't even want to go 637 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.319 he wants to go with them. 638 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:32.319 He wants to follow the boss lady. Yeah, she wants information. 639 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:33.720 They all would have died. 640 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:39.039 Yeah, because she's been so you know, stand offish with information, 641 00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:41.359 Like every time he asks a question, she's just kind 642 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.119 of deflecting, and he's like, something's not right here. I 643 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.599 don't like this. And so he's wanting to figure out 644 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.960 if going with her to figure out more things, and 645 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.160 she's like, no, go with go with these guys, and 646 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:55.759 Gregor stays behind. I think this is also a very 647 00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:57.759 important point because this is the only time when he 648 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.920 did Yes, I believe this is when he did the 649 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.319 case because no one else was there, So this is 650 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.160 the perfect time for him to get the the fake 651 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:07.799 case made up. 652 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.799 True if they hadn't picked the case yet though, that's 653 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:13.119 the only thing. So I don't know if that was 654 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:13.359 the thing. 655 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.200 But they knew that they were getting a case, and 656 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:17.519 they saw the picture of the case. 657 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:18.680 Okay, so he already knew that. 658 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.799 So he already had that information. So he was the 659 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:26.160 ice skating already all and now I'm I have a 660 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.400 feeling that Gregor and you exactly what's in the case, 661 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.839 and he knew what he could get for it, and 662 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:36.079 he was already working on this double cross, like, oh, 663 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.039 he's totally looked in the case. 664 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:44.079 Yeah, he he knows, he knows he's setting up the sell. You, 665 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:45.559 I mean, you have to know what something is if 666 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:46.440 you're going to sell it. 667 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.319 So yeah, that's why they should have kept more eyes 668 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.000 on him in the first place, if he's the guy 669 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.599 who's like setting up the sale of the item. Well, 670 00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.160 actually I thought Deirdrew was doing all that right, she'd no, 671 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:57.240 because they needed. 672 00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:58.799 They needed him. 673 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:05.680 With the purpose of to the Russians, to the Russians, 674 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.599 so he has to know what it is. He wouldn't 675 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:10.840 risk he wouldn't risk all this if he didn't know 676 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:11.239 what it is. 677 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:16.039 Yeah, the IRA is trying to steal the case because 678 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.480 they don't have enough money to actually buy the case. 679 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.320 The Russians have the money to buy the case. And 680 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.000 what they don't realize is that Gregor is actually technically 681 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.840 still working well, he's working for himself, but he is 682 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.639 he knows what's in the case. He's technically working for 683 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.039 the Russians, and he's gonna steal the case for himself 684 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.119 and sell it back to them so that he can 685 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:36.840 make money. 686 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.800 Now I have a question, It's just do you think 687 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.400 this whole time that d Niro's character is an x 688 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.599 CI a mercenary now or is he still somehow connected 689 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:47.320 to the CI. 690 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.320 So that that that is a theory that a lot 691 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:51.119 of people think. 692 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:52.519 That he's trying to get the case. 693 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:56.119 That's right, that he's actually trying to get the case 694 00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:01.280 for the Americans because he's still working with that. Yeah. Yeah, 695 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.039 he's he's pretending to be x that he's like that 696 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:09.480 he's a burned spy that is uh, and he's but 697 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.559 in reality, he's actually still working for the CIA. And 698 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.360 I think I think the ending does portray that because 699 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.480 going off. Yeah, because he ends up going off with 700 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.480 that guy again, meaning that maybe he's still connected with 701 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:23.000 the CIA. 702 00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:26.119 That's what I was wondering. But then he tells Renault's 703 00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.760 character as if they're going to see each other again, 704 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:29.280 He's like, I'll get the bill next time. 705 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.360 Well, I think he's I think now that he knows 706 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.719 Vincent is a guy that he can rely on and 707 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.679 might be able to Hey, if I have another job, 708 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.360 this is the guy I want to use on another job. 709 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:41.239 Yeah. 710 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:47.320 Upon my second launch, I I thought, I don't think 711 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.599 that uh in our A ever or right nine r A. 712 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.679 I don't think the Irish people I used to think 713 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.880 the IRA, I don't think they ever actually planned on 714 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.639 paying these guys because when Robert Niro flips out and 715 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.880 he's like, no, I'm gonna need a fucking giant raise 716 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:04.760 it at. 717 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.199 Dude, I love that fucking moment. 718 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.360 Yeah, to pay. 719 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.480 All of them one hundred thousand dollars, but they can't 720 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:13.280 afford the case. 721 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.840 I don't think they're also like, I don't think the 722 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.079 theater is like she's not necessarily innocent, but she's not 723 00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.880 in control of everything that Shamus is doing. So like 724 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:25.039 when Seamous pulls a double cross later she just has 725 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:26.039 to go along with it. 726 00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.920 And her in the dark. 727 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.519 Like, I don't think she ever planned on the killing Larry, 728 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.039 Like that wasn't part of her plan. If it was 729 00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:36.639 up to her, she probably would have paid these people 730 00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:38.480 off and sent them on their way, just like Sean 731 00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:39.159 Bean's character. 732 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:42.000 Yeah, but we like said, they're still in the case 733 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.039 because they don't have the money. And it's from what 734 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:50.039 I understand, it seems like Seamus is kind of Yes, 735 00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.000 he's part of the IRA, but he's almost like a 736 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.800 fractured stegment of the IRA, Like he's a splinter cell 737 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:57.960 from the IRA that they don't even want this guy around. 738 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:01.440 That's why he has to hide, because he's under so 739 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.920 much suspicion from all these different people. That's why Deirdre 740 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:05.960 is his front man. 741 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.360 He's a little weasy fuck in this movie too. 742 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:12.320 Oh dude, I do I love. I fucking love Jonathan 743 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:12.960 Brice acting. 744 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.440 Yeah, yeah, you don't like h. 745 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:18.360 Like I said, I just I love this scene where 746 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.239 they acquire the guns. There's this whole fucking thing that 747 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.519 goes on. But like I said, we talked about how 748 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:28.360 all the characters kind of play their role, and what 749 00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.920 Sam anticipated was gonna happen is that there is gonna 750 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.920 something is just very weird about this. They didn't bring 751 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:36.440 all the stuff. 752 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:41.239 That we asked them to bring, and they. 753 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.400 Lured into it like a kill box essentially, and he's like, 754 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.079 I ain't going I ain't going in there. We have 755 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.639 all all that ship breakdown, they shoot up the everybody. 756 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:54.039 They end up keeping the money, getting the guns, some 757 00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:00.320 guns at least, And dude, that's the the the running 758 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.880 away from the cops, to get away from the cops. 759 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.559 Oh man, that was crazy. 760 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:11.159 Jamm back there, boys, Yeah much. 761 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.920 I don't even know what to follow. Cut the murment 762 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.280 out out right. 763 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.000 Yeah, a little bit of raspberry can there? Yeah yeah, 764 00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:21.880 jump chop. 765 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.760 The moment the adrenaline wears out, he has to. 766 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.679 Keep sucking, like hitting the car right, because he's never 767 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:32.800 he's never shot a gun and he's never killed anybody. 768 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:33.800 That's why he throws up. 769 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.360 We're been even had bullets shot at him, probably live rounds. 770 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.639 He's a little bitch boy. You could have just left 771 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.920 him there on the street. That's where they should have 772 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.480 shot him in the fucking head when he was throwing up, like. 773 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.920 Yeah, the gun buyer's got him. Sorry. 774 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.960 I love how they look at each other, like like. 775 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.679 This this guy and well, it's like and you have 776 00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:57.599 when he's outside hurling on the sidewalk, you have Vincent 777 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:01.039 look at Sam and it's like it's like I need 778 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.039 the money. It's like the money's money's right here and 779 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.840 taking it. It's like, but who's the one that provided 780 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.239 the money? Because like I. 781 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:11.559 Feel like maybe he's not really needing the money. I 782 00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:13.320 used to think that he was just a mercenary, but 783 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.119 now I'm starting to think that he Yeah. 784 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:18.079 I really now, Yeah, now that I'm really looking a 785 00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.920 bit about a super critical eye is that he is 786 00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:27.159 an undercover rogue agent essentially that is infiltrating this this 787 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.880 group to figure out what's going on, what who are 788 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.639 our buyers? And he's asking all these questions yes to. 789 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:40.760 He's so like he's not supposed to be using CIA information. Money, 790 00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:43.119 doesn't need to like the number triangulation, that was a 791 00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.000 last ditch effort. He didn't really want to do that. 792 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.440 Yeah, and he also knows that he he knows how 793 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:51.199 to do that, how to live off the grid, he 794 00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.280 knows how he knows how to do all that to 795 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.599 keep his cover up and in a lassage effort to 796 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.280 like really make sure that this case doesn't get into 797 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.400 the wrong hands. He utilizes like I have to go 798 00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.079 to my guys and figure this out. And that's where 799 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.679 it's like when when he's asked, like, who's that Guy's like, 800 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:11.239 he's my high school buddy. 801 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.440 But skipping ahead, let's spreak down the heist and the 802 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.480 apartment like planning moments, because that's what we're here for anyway, right, 803 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.960 the highest thing, Like I just it's one of the 804 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.719 moments that sticks out the most to me in this movie. 805 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.320 Before though, when do you think the moment Sam decided 806 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:31.840 he was gonna get rid of Sean being? Like when 807 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:33.719 do you think was it when he was at the 808 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:36.519 whiteboard fucking up? Or was it like. 809 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.760 In the car acquisition? 810 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:42.679 Yeah? 811 00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.960 I think, but the whiteboard was like I can't stand 812 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:47.440 this to him. If Sean being sat there at the 813 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:49.400 table and shut up and just listened, I don't think 814 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:51.039 he would have buffet him as quickly. 815 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.800 When he told him to draw it again six times 816 00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.519 in a row, like I drive again, every one of those, 817 00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:58.679 Draw it again, draw it again. 818 00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.199 Draw a simple diagram, Just draw it again. 819 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:04.559 Yeah, but like I. 820 00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:07.960 Like the way they play it too, because you don't 821 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.639 know what he's doing. He's sipping his coffee, but then 822 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:11.519 he puts the coffee down and just like we look 823 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.079 at it real fast for a moment, and we go 824 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.559 back to the drawing board that he's on, and just like, Okay, yeah, 825 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:18.960 obviously I guess, like I didn't even go to fucking school, 826 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.840 because like, that's stupid putting two people shooters a cross. 827 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.840 You put a shoot ahea in a shoot of the 828 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.599 right right raspberry jam. 829 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.599 It's a fucking idiot. And he's like, yeah, you know 830 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.000 what happens when you put a shooter here and a 831 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.239 shooter here. They shoot at each other and they're all dead. 832 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.280 What's what color is the bow house at Hereford? What 833 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:42.960 color is the bow house at Herefords? That dude, that 834 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.239 scene is fucking amazing. I love it. 835 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.119 That's probably that scene is Bruen. I got pulled into 836 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.960 the movie when I was like, oh, okay, this movie, 837 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:54.800 this movie is now taking a turn. This is a 838 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.400 different type of movie. It's not it's not a movie anymore. 839 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.840 Yeah. I also think this is the way where Dieter 840 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.119 realizes that, like, shit, like some of these contexts, maybe 841 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:04.639 they're not. 842 00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.360 The best, but it also shows that like okay, maybe 843 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.320 this guy's a serting himself, but also this is the 844 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.360 guy to get it done as well, like the reason 845 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.360 that he's taking because he wants to do the department. 846 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:22.079 He becomes the boss, like just riding shotgun at that point. 847 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.400 Yeah, I don't really know how much I love the whole. Like, hey, honey, 848 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.480 puts some pearls on and let's go for a walk 849 00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:28.039 kind of deal. 850 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.039 Every time he said when he's given her like your 851 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:34.079 wife clean up really good, I kept thinking a boar rat, 852 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.559 he's like my wif. I was laughing. 853 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.360 See, here's the thing is, I don't think that that 854 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.000 was necessarily a derogatory thing. It was just more to like, 855 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.559 it's a play a part, and only I only say 856 00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:53.599 that because Natasha mcelhaney she talking about her character, she 857 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.000 really feels like she was actually really excited to do 858 00:42:56.119 --> 00:43:00.000 this role. One because she's a woman who is essential 859 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.280 the leader of this group. She's the one that brought 860 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.159 it all together. But and the fact that she's a 861 00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.199 woman is not even really like talked about her considered. 862 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.000 It's not thrown on the dial, like it's like, what 863 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:13.280 the hell is a woman doing telling us whatever question 864 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.639 that's not even Yeah, it's not even a question. Which 865 00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.559 is and she is and she is a powerhouse figure 866 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:23.039 in this movie. She's not. It's not played for like, 867 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:26.639 oh well, she's a woman, she can't handle anything. So 868 00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.119 I kind of like, I don't mean that. 869 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.840 I just think the whole the relationship between her and him, 870 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:32.639 like you said, it was added on. It feels a 871 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:33.440 little added on. 872 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.400 Yeah, But I also feel. 873 00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:40.159 Like it futual respect, fine, mutual respect. I don't know 874 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.519 if I need like love, like get out of here. 875 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.440 Well, they touch on it a little bit, but I 876 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.760 don't and I think there is. There isn't a. 877 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:54.119 I just don't take that as romance. I took that 878 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.599 as he realized that her boss is a horrible person 879 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.320 and she got stuck in the middle, and he's like, 880 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:01.960 get out of here. 881 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:07.320 True, why did he do because he's a sucker for 882 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:07.920 any of them? 883 00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:13.679 Uh yeah, and. 884 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.639 Pushed he totally you could have pretended to be doing anything. 885 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.559 But he was like, we're gonna, hey, we gotta be 886 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:20.639 lipsmack and let's go. 887 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.079 That. Public displays of affection make people uncomfortable. 888 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:33.760 So the other thing too is I don't know what 889 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:37.039 it is, but both Robert de Niro and al Pacino 890 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:42.840 having sex scenes is just weird to me. Those actors like, 891 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.000 for whatever reason, like them being in a sex scene, just. 892 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.760 Can't wait till we covered heat and they both have 893 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.920 sex with each other. Oh sorry, I spoiled it. 894 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.920 Uh now I have to see. 895 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.000 It's one of the most craziest sex scenes ever. Uh. 896 00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.519 But yeah, the heistman, I just like high stuff, like planning. 897 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.760 U like moments. I like them in the you know, 898 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:08.599 in the hotel, smoker cigarettes, wagons. I like seeing like uh, 899 00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:11.159 you know, Vincent getting stuff and and I like seeing 900 00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.800 little stuff like Larry went out and got groceries, you know, 901 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:15.679 just a little ship that adds detail. Like they've been 902 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:16.960 here for a little while. They have a little bit 903 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:18.039 of a routine while they're planning. 904 00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:19.519 And he's also the kind of the he's the one 905 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.159 that they and everybody too. 906 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.000 Yeah, yeah, he's a food kind of guy. 907 00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:26.320 It definitely it's definitely funky in there because Larry's fucking 908 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:27.760 smoking twenty. 909 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:31.639 Four and that little bit of like they're getting pent 910 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:33.559 up too, because like Gregor is like I just want 911 00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:35.559 to do something. He's like, we are doing something waiting 912 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.159 and then I like how Sam sort of like you 913 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.480 know what, let's do it now, let's go check it out, 914 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:42.840 like kind of drags the map. 915 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.599 The map's not the the map's not the territory. Let's 916 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:46.760 let's see the. 917 00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:48.480 Map is not the land. I wrote it down. 918 00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:50.440 It was like it was, yeah, the map's not the land. 919 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:54.000 Stuck out. Uh. So like he go down there and 920 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:57.119 walk around. He takes a he pretends like he's a tourist, 921 00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.519 so he has an excuse to take I was slick, 922 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.280 and he grabs that poor French guy and he's like, 923 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.239 take a picture of my wife, take a picture. 924 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:04.480 Of mind what. 925 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.360 Yeah, he's like he sets up that little bit of 926 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.400 sign though, to see what they'll do under you know, pressure, 927 00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.559 if they think the shots fired, which was smart to 928 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.079 see like what they're dealing with, because otherwise they would 929 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:17.199 have known none of that information. 930 00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.360 Now you stand with my wife and I think. 931 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:25.400 They or something eight to ten people to three cars. 932 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.519 That's all the information they had until he went down 933 00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:28.679 there and checked it all out. 934 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.559 Yeah, it's like I said, it's it just shows how 935 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.719 much of an intelligent guy, this guy, uh that Sam is. 936 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:38.880 And then and then the reason they're in the car 937 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.519 later is because they're waiting, and he's like, well, we 938 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.239 should we should still be getting information. That's why he 939 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.559 drove down there. He's like he was up to wait 940 00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:51.880 till tomorrow. We have more to get more intel. 941 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.519 Let's put these guys to bed, and like they're just 942 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.320 watching and listening to what's going on in that villa 943 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.920 that these guys are staying in. And obviously they when 944 00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.840 cars go by and all that stuff that they're like, oh, 945 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:07.639 we have to pretend like we're looking at the map 946 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:11.679 or oh the cops. Let's uh, you know, let's have sex. 947 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:20.159 Yeah, she he likes a good kiss her, and yeah, 948 00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:21.519 he had a little chemistry. 949 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:25.199 Kiss and then she got turned on and she ended 950 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:26.000 up boning him. 951 00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.920 And I wasn't like I'm gonna try and get I 952 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.360 don't think she was kind of trying to like gaslight 953 00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:33.400 him so that later she could double cross him and 954 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:35.280 he would have feelings. I think she genuinely was just 955 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.559 like caught up in the moment like this that's sucking. 956 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:40.360 It's it's it's one of those things that it was 957 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:41.800 in the moment she liked it. 958 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:42.840 She liked him, and. 959 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.880 Until this moment she was like tired of his ship. 960 00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.280 She's like, I'm trying to be the I'm trying to 961 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:52.440 run this group here, and you keep stepping I think 962 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:53.920 a little. 963 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.159 Bit she might have been turned on by it away too, 964 00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.360 because he's the only one in the group who was 965 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.559 like assertive at all about it anything they had. 966 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:03.599 There's a really good line while they're in the car. 967 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.320 He asked her how she got into it, and she 968 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.760 was like, I was seduced by a not good gentleman. 969 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:12.679 He's like me too, and like I laughed pretty hard 970 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:12.840 at that. 971 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.639 I did. There's bits of in a very serious movie, 972 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:18.320 there are some bits of humor, for sure. 973 00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:23.159 Yeah, yeah, well that's like because because Sam's a witty, 974 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.360 witty guy, you know, he likes to say stuff off 975 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.360 the cuff, very you know, James gunnstyle, Harry. 976 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.280 I think those I think those are the David mammontt 977 00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:37.360 touches to the screenplay, like as far as like expanding 978 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.440 upon the character of Sam, which is one of his jobs. 979 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.559 And I have a feeling that those little bits of dialogue, 980 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.599 the little quips that he has, I think that gives 981 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:49.719 it a little bit more character and makes the character 982 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:51.599 a lot more fun. 983 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:56.000 It feels real, yeah yeah, yeah, Like he says these 984 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.480 things because he knows these things. He's not lying. 985 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.159 What makes you feel like a real person and not 986 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:09.559 just reading dialogue. This is the heiste dude together. 987 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.320 You don't know. You've heard the planning, you've seen the board, 988 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.840 you heard about the fire cracker thing. You didn't know 989 00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.079 what that was, the simulator or whatever. And then when 990 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.159 you get to see it all start to come together 991 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.559 like that. 992 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:25.480 Like in between two plants, like it's just out in 993 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.199 the open. He's like, no one, I'll funk with it. Well, 994 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.039 like you just lay shit around like that. 995 00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.840 This was one of This is such a great scene 996 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:41.719 because now now because like Sam said, the map is 997 00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.840 not the land, and so now we as an audience 998 00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.480 are seeing the land like the reality of the situation. 999 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:49.599 What's gonna be taking back like ran on the side 1000 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.639 of the road right, and now we see like where 1001 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:56.480 people are getting set up. We have Larry who's uh 1002 00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:00.159 parking his car in a certain strategic position. We have 1003 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.119 Gregor in the band with all the computers and like 1004 00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:05.559 we were figuring out like oh he's he's gonna be Yeah, 1005 00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.639 the guy in the chair that's monitoring everything. 1006 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:08.480 Yeah. 1007 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.599 Uh. And we have Sam and Vincent together in the 1008 00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:19.199 Mercedes and they are I think all that. Dude, they're 1009 00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.800 setting up to figure out like okay, we were monitoring things. 1010 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:26.519 We're setting up the little clicker to change the stop 1011 00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.039 light so we can create a diversion there. 1012 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.559 Like how Gregor's too. He's got aware. He's aware of 1013 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:35.880 everything so he can give relay information to them. Wants 1014 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:36.599 to chase the light. 1015 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:40.280 Those those nineties computers, man, they were they were making 1016 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:41.039 me so happy. 1017 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:42.280 I was like, that's how. 1018 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.960 Yes, remember when a computer took up half a van. 1019 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.840 Yeah, yeah, but that's how Larry Because Larry's is a 1020 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:50.519 very capable driver, but now he can drive without even 1021 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.440 really focusing on the road as much, like just his 1022 00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:55.119 you know, like you're going to make a left here 1023 00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:56.480 and boom, he's like doing it. 1024 00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.880 Yeah. Yeah, his instincts are to h. 1025 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.719 He would just put his He just put the GPS 1026 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.719 like in the cigarette the ashtray. 1027 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:08.840 The other thing I yeah. The other thing I really 1028 00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:12.840 like too is there's a great line up. When everything's 1029 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.440 getting ready to go down and Vincent comes back into 1030 00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:19.639 the car where Sam is at and he asked us, like, 1031 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.480 what's your wish for Christmas? It's like, I want my 1032 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.119 two front teeth, May it be granted? And then he 1033 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.559 grabs that like rocket launcher or the grenade launcher that he. 1034 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:32.840 Has, and yeah, and that ship it all hell fucking 1035 00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:35.599 breaks loose. They're not fucking around either, like they're not 1036 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:37.840 trying to take the case without killing anybody. They're like, no, 1037 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:39.800 we're going to blow up the first car and really 1038 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:42.079 make a statement here. And then the whole plan is 1039 00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:44.639 to actually get the car to go to run. 1040 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.840 Yeah that is Yeah, they're trying. They're trying to isolate 1041 00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:50.800 the car with the case, taking out all the other 1042 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.960 security guards. That was the whole point of this. And 1043 00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:58.039 fuck yeah, dude, this this is a great chasing that 1044 00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:58.679 happens here. 1045 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:01.760 One moment then that took me out. Though there's a 1046 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.719 moment where like the cars pull up, Vincent's shooting by 1047 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:10.480 the fruit stand. He runs for cover. He runs as like, uh, 1048 00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.920 Sam's covering him with the assault rifle. Because aftery blows 1049 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.159 up the front car, he pulls out a fucking ar 1050 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.599 and just starts laying a waste all the henchmen as 1051 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:20.800 they get out, the main case guy goes flying you know, 1052 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.199 out in the in his car, and then the other 1053 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.800 guys pull up and starts shooting at Vincent, and there's 1054 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.880 a moment where Vincent runs and it's like everybody behind 1055 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.920 him at the fruit stand gets like shot except for him, 1056 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:36.360 Like he's like, ok yeah, I just it was one moment. 1057 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:40.199 I was like, yeah, okay, it's a little dumb. I 1058 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:43.159 I agree, but I really. 1059 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.519 Liked it when he pulled out that Tormato two Grene launcher. 1060 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:47.840 I got qualified for that gun while it was in 1061 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:49.679 the Navy, and it's super fun to shoot. 1062 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:51.039 Oh monkey bastard. 1063 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.960 I mean, I think makes a while. You know, honestly, 1064 00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.280 this would be like a great video game. 1065 00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.159 Fuck yeah, dude, I pay. 1066 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.039 To get Away. No more like a third person like 1067 00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:06.599 shooter with driving segments and. 1068 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:11.400 GTA Yeah a little bit, yeah, but more. Just notice 1069 00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:12.760 how red the blood was. 1070 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:15.599 It was like Italian. 1071 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.039 Italian horror movie blood in the Colisseum. 1072 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:19.079 I noticed that scene. That's what. 1073 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.559 Yeah, but that's I feel. Yeah, I really do believe 1074 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:27.199 that because Frankenheimer, he's kind of one of the classic 1075 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:29.840 Hollywood directors because he did a lot of stuff in 1076 00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:34.960 the sixties and seventies, and he's paying tribute to those, uh, 1077 00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.440 not like the noir films of the forties, but like 1078 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.519 what the neo noir films that were coming out in 1079 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.719 the sixties and seventies. And I'm sure, like I said, 1080 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.400 I I have to imagine that Le Samurai was one 1081 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:49.840 of his uh one of the films he was paying 1082 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.360 tribute to, but like a lot of those Italian and 1083 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.159 French neo noir films, and well he did he didn't 1084 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.519 do the original French connection. He did the second the sequel. 1085 00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:02.039 But I'm saying I haven't. Yeah, this is uh, you know, 1086 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.320 this movie is like an amalgamation of the things that 1087 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.320 he's inspired by. He wanted to make a couple of 1088 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.000 different films and one that's why it's a spy, thriller, heist, 1089 00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:13.519 fucking right, D and D movie. No, I'm just kidding. 1090 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:15.440 And I think and I think he I think he 1091 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:18.320 is merging a couple of different worlds where this is 1092 00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:23.519 a he's merging the nineties action film into like these 1093 00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.719 old films. Yeah, and that's where I think some people 1094 00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:30.440 might not like the pacing of this film, because there 1095 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.800 are a lot of slower moments. But and but the 1096 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.039 action we get is like snap of your finger. 1097 00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.639 Very well choreographed. Yeah, and very stylist. 1098 00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:44.679 This car chase gets out of the city pretty fast. Yeah, 1099 00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.239 now we're not liked about that. We're full dukes of hazard. 1100 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.519 Now we're off roads roads. 1101 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.679 And in like big dust trails. 1102 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:55.559 And I love how they start taking out these cars though, 1103 00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:57.800 like the Bazuka moment. You can tell it's not rabber 1104 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.679 than Hero, but it's still cool, like how they're just like, yeah, 1105 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:03.800 we're going to take out that one trailing car real 1106 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.840 quick with the Bazuka. And then then we queue in 1107 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.519 the driver Larry, like they're coming up there on you 1108 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.239 almost in a moment. And that's where Gregory's really coming 1109 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.760 in clutch. I think, relaying all these information to both 1110 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.239 drivers so that they can get like this one car 1111 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:21.039 like well after. 1112 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:25.199 I mean, so this chasing runs a little long, but 1113 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:28.320 it's capped with it starts with a gunfight and then 1114 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:29.360 it ends with a gunfight. 1115 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:30.280 Yeah. 1116 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.960 That that ending gunfight I think is damn You're perfect. 1117 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:36.960 It is. I like the way it's situated too, Like 1118 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.400 it feels really I understood. 1119 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.400 Everything that was going on into the area, right, Like, Yeah, 1120 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.320 usually they get choppy that they don't want you like 1121 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:49.559 like this person might be over here, might be over there, 1122 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.079 and they don't want you to know exactly so they 1123 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.000 they don't mess up. But everything was crystal. 1124 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:56.559 I thought it was really good the way he comes 1125 00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:58.679 through with the big gun and then like the other 1126 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.239 car comes down the alley and he starts firing on them, 1127 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:03.400 and you could see like the camera pans and we 1128 00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:05.440 could I like how Larry starts shooting when he first 1129 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.280 pulls it up, because he like knocks them out of 1130 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.880 the UH into the UH, into the fucking the wall 1131 00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.880 and he just starts shooting at the other guys, the drivers, 1132 00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:16.079 And I like when we panted, like you said, there's 1133 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:17.880 a moment where you get to see Deirdre and she's 1134 00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:20.000 in she's kind of pinned between the two cars, but 1135 00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.760 she's using it as cover because for that moment, it's 1136 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.920 like she can't really get out of there, but it's 1137 00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:27.679 it's keeping her alive at least, and she's firing from 1138 00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:29.039 cover there. And I thought that was a good bit 1139 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.000 of like like you said, they used the environment really 1140 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.159 well and paint it well where you it feels believable, 1141 00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:35.960 and I could picture it like, oh, there, and Gregor's 1142 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.960 over here, and that's how Gregor is able to do 1143 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.039 the switch because nobody can fucking see what's going on 1144 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.199 with him. They're too wrapped up, which he had planned on, 1145 00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:45.119 I'm sure. Yeah. 1146 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:48.920 And the only thing that gets them to understand like, oh, 1147 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.559 that there's a switch is the the paint hasn't dried 1148 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:52.440 on the case yet. 1149 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:53.280 Which is kind of sloppy. 1150 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:56.760 Yeah, it does feel a little sloppy, but it's it's 1151 00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:58.639 for us the audience to know that the case has 1152 00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:01.760 been switched. And was like, oh fuck, throw that ship 1153 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:05.559 away and toss it under the car and big fucking explosion, 1154 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.920 And I like, it's the law of cool. I think 1155 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.199 it works for the film. It makes it awesome, But yeah, 1156 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:13.039 it is sloppy. 1157 00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:18.119 Yeah, you ever think about like the people like just 1158 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:21.119 sitting there having lunch at that cafe. It's just a 1159 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:24.480 normal day and then like four cars wreck in front 1160 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:25.840 of you and start shooting at each. 1161 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:27.559 Other, blowing up and ship. 1162 00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.639 That will be the one day you think about every 1163 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:32.639 day for the rest of your life. 1164 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:34.519 I don't think you're going out to eat over again, 1165 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:36.719 Like I'm saying I'm getting uber. 1166 00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.800 Yeah, those were all sun people. They knew that the 1167 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.480 car was coming, and they were If you watch a 1168 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.480 little bit of the behind the scenes, you'll see them 1169 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.880 like jumping just before the car gets there. But yeah, 1170 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:51.800 it's stilly. But based on the movie, yeah, it is like, 1171 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.079 fuck that ruined their fucking day. 1172 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:58.960 Yeah, I can just imagine. But uh yeah, so this 1173 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.800 is the first big, big double cross I think that 1174 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:02.239 comes in. 1175 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:04.679 Yeah, and this is where we learn it's so they 1176 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.400 cut away and now we learn it's a sneaky Christmas 1177 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.360 m movie. Yep, because as they go back to the apartment. Uh, 1178 00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.039 there are people out caroling. There's a church group Caroline. 1179 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:18.840 I think, mm, yeah, that's when we find out that 1180 00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:20.440 much his name was hit or injured. 1181 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:21.320 Yeah. 1182 00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:23.920 I think in the I think in the explosion there 1183 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:28.920 was like Strapannel that hit went into Larry's leg and 1184 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.199 so there so you have Sam acquiring materials to help 1185 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:33.079 heal his leg. 1186 00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.880 I like that moment. See Larry doesn't talk a lot, 1187 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:37.480 but there's a moment where like Sam gives him a 1188 00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:39.679 cigarette because he wanted a camel and he didn't and 1189 00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:43.159 it's not Sam Vincent did. Sam didn't get him cigarettes. 1190 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:46.400 But there's like this like just like you speaking too much. Yeah, 1191 00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.239 but there's this moment on Larry's face where he's just 1192 00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:50.360 happy and he's sort of like I'm with my buds, 1193 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:51.960 you know what I mean. My buddy over here is yeah, 1194 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:53.760 leg up, and my buddy over here gave me a 1195 00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.039 cigarette and like things could be worse, you know, And 1196 00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:58.519 I just kind of wish we heard more about Larry, 1197 00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:00.280 Like I don't know, maybe he talked about his favorite 1198 00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.239 food or why he's into food or just something just 1199 00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:05.239 a little bread crabba who he was, you know, American 1200 00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:06.800 And you. 1201 00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:10.199 Realize, you realize that you didn't die, and like there's 1202 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:14.159 a euphoria like I came very close to dying and 1203 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:18.519 I didn't, like so like this isn't guaranteed, and now 1204 00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:20.719 I have a cigarette and my friend here. 1205 00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:24.360 Well and he also knows that because Sam saved his 1206 00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:30.800 life essentially kill him. Yeah well even yeah, even like 1207 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:32.920 dere is like why the fun did you kill Mary? 1208 00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:38.119 Why to take to take your car? You can Larry drive. 1209 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:44.119 Fam forgave her because yeah, uh he doesn't know that 1210 00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.239 she wasn't in on it. I mean he might have 1211 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:50.159 because he knows her as a person by now, but 1212 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.159 still I. 1213 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.840 Mean because at the end, like he's waiting in that 1214 00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.599 cafe hoping that she's going to show up. He does 1215 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.119 because he because he's like he was, because he he 1216 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.239 actually has attracted her, he likes her. 1217 01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:05.199 Yeah, and I do kind of like the way that 1218 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.280 they ended on that cafe again. 1219 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:10.719 Nice, it's a nice book end to the film. 1220 01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:13.800 Yeah, and it's like you get the staircase again. But 1221 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:18.199 I I like the exchange too between him and Renault's 1222 01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.440 character in that moment, because that's where you know that 1223 01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:22.960 like they're friends, like this, this is a friendship that's 1224 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:26.239 went beyond this heist, Like especially the moment where he 1225 01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:30.119 brings them to Jean Pierre's house, like that was because 1226 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.079 we we didn't touch on it because we didn't get 1227 01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.599 to it yet. But there's a moment where de Niro 1228 01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:38.840 saves what's his name's life, Vincent's life in a way 1229 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:40.760 like he but he not the way you think. He 1230 01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:42.239 thinks he's gonna shoot at the guy, but he ends 1231 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.519 up just distracting the guy. He catches the ricochet at 1232 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:48.119 the coliseum at the meat but he ends up saving 1233 01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:50.760 Renault's life. You know it gives Renaul a second to 1234 01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:53.679 shoot the guy, and then later on I feel like 1235 01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:56.440 he's able to, you know, return the favor. At the 1236 01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:57.639 end of the movie. 1237 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:01.360 After they after they helped Larry out, we cut back 1238 01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:05.800 to Gregor and yeah, he he picks up a Russia 1239 01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.519 guy and they go to a playground together, which is weird. 1240 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:12.440 Yeah, he's gonna do the meat for yeah, the exchange. 1241 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.440 So so the first uh, Jan Triska is the guy 1242 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.440 who plays that that first Russian that Gregor tries to 1243 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.320 sell the case to, and he's a chechen actor. I've 1244 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.320 done a bunch of things over in the Czech Republic. 1245 01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:31.239 But yeah, that was a very weird scene. Uh, just 1246 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.559 the fact that showing how crazy Gregor is. And yeah, 1247 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.639 he's like, I don't like you, but look look what 1248 01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.519 I'm willing to do to someone I don't even know, 1249 01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:42.039 a kid. What do you think I'm going to do 1250 01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:44.000 to you if you fuck me over? 1251 01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.880 It establishes that, but I don't need to honestly, because 1252 01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:50.880 it's it's it's one he ends up having a buy 1253 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:54.119 like a sale with these people twice, right, and and 1254 01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:56.039 the one where they catch him at the coliseum that 1255 01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:58.519 works for me. Him being double crossed by them, and 1256 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:02.039 then and then guys showing up to finally find Gregor. 1257 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.199 That's enough. I think there's moments of bloat in this film, 1258 01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:06.800 and I think that's one of the moments where it 1259 01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:09.719 could drag. Yeah, showcases Gregor's fucked up, but we already 1260 01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:12.119 know he's fucked up. I got enough breadcrumbs to know 1261 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.239 he's fucked up. I don't need to see him shoot 1262 01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:16.079 at the kid and then get that, Like, if you 1263 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:17.719 got double cross by the people, why are you going 1264 01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.639 to go back to them again for another sale? It 1265 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:24.039 just felt like redundant. Yeah, well, I don't have too 1266 01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.079 many people the Irish. 1267 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.719 People, Like, well, he knows the Irish people won't give 1268 01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:32.000 him the type of money that he wants, but he 1269 01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.960 can raise the price three on the Russians and he 1270 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:36.079 knows they're still good for it. 1271 01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:38.840 Yeah, but I just don't need that extra moment. 1272 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.599 Yeah true. But and like I said, yeah, because he 1273 01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:45.239 is former kJ B, so he knows what these guys 1274 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:47.519 have in their coffers. 1275 01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:50.239 M Like, it just doesn't do anything for me. I 1276 01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:53.039 can have the moment on the phone with the nameless 1277 01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:55.920 Russian guy, uh with the ice skating girlfriend with the 1278 01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:58.760 great but who he sacrifices by. 1279 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.679 The way, when he's yes he does when he shoots 1280 01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:04.519 him in the head and the blood hits that window. 1281 01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:07.119 That that's really good practical effects. 1282 01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:07.800 Yeah. 1283 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:09.760 Well yeah, I like how he got to jump on 1284 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:11.440 him too, because he thought he had to jump on him, 1285 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:13.159 but he didn't, and then he was able to still 1286 01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:13.920 get to jump on him. 1287 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.079 But jerking the car, he just let his foot off 1288 01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:16.440 the bricks. 1289 01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:18.559 First of all, you would have put the car in park, 1290 01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:23.000 I think not if you're crazy killer. Well, you want 1291 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:24.440 to get a good shot on the kid, right, so 1292 01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:26.800 you got to punk the car. What's with that crazy 1293 01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:29.199 sniper rifle fucking pistol that he's got. He's got like 1294 01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.840 the Golden eye. Fucking yeah, it looks like something. 1295 01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:35.400 Well, I will I will tell you. There's a lot 1296 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:38.000 of there's a lot of double oh seven connections in 1297 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:41.719 this film, by the way. Yeah, well we haven't well 1298 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:45.920 we didn't talk about essentially, we've we've already met Seamus O'Rourke, 1299 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:49.280 who's played by Jonathan Price. He's in films like Brazil, 1300 01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.280 who he was in with Robert de Niro. Uh, he 1301 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.559 was the bad guy in Tomorrow and never dies, and 1302 01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:59.960 he's in the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy and uh, 1303 01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:04.000 later on we're gonna meet Michael Lonzi plays Jean Pierre. 1304 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:10.880 Uh mainly, well, yeah, he's he's a journeyman actor in 1305 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:14.159 French films, but most people here in America will know 1306 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.239 him as Hugo Drax from Moon Breaker. 1307 01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:19.320 M He. 1308 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.519 Looked very much like Gary Guyax. 1309 01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:29.119 And then that makes sense. And then there's D and 1310 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.360 D ties to the you know, meeting in the pub. Maybe, 1311 01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:33.320 so maybe Frankenheimer is a fucking. 1312 01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:34.840 That. 1313 01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:37.599 One of my main hobbies is painting minies like that. 1314 01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:41.159 So like I was super nerdy out in this scene. 1315 01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:45.840 It's funny. So you are right, Frankenheimer had a love 1316 01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:49.760 for building miniatures, and he created a character that was 1317 01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:52.960 a miniature artist, and that was and obviously he was cracking. 1318 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:55.440 The story of the forty seven ronin which I do 1319 01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:00.079 is obviously. Yeah, it incorporates the the inspiration of the 1320 01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.199 screenplay that J. D. 1321 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:07.119 Syke had and films that we have covered as well. 1322 01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:12.199 Yeah, exactly, And Frank Nimberg wasn't a fan of creating 1323 01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:15.440 these miniature creations, and so it's just kind of a 1324 01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:18.679 mixture of the two, uh, the two worlds. 1325 01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:20.719 I like this guy. He's a retired guy. He lives 1326 01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:22.880 by himself with ex pain, his min hes, probably smokes 1327 01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:25.440 like a nice pipe of fucking some l s bud, 1328 01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:28.480 and like lives with his dog, like I dig it. Yeah, 1329 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:31.000 and his area looks like he could take like hiking 1330 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:32.719 trails and stuff around that area. 1331 01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:34.880 Oh, Jean Pierre is fucking bad. I want to learn 1332 01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:35.360 more about it. 1333 01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:37.280 I want to like go back to Jean Pierre's house. 1334 01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:38.880 It's all over you know, and parties. 1335 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:40.480 You know. 1336 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:42.480 I thought they were setting it up to where like 1337 01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:48.559 they would come and hunt them down like the Russians. Yeah, 1338 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:52.679 we were going to get a sword fight. I just 1339 01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:54.760 I was just like, get out of here back. 1340 01:05:55.960 --> 01:06:00.199 So, when I was younger, I always thought that he 1341 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:02.599 was the guy in the wheelchair or the guy in 1342 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.199 the chair that they were talking about at the beginning. 1343 01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:07.559 And now the obviously now that I'm older and I 1344 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.000 can understand more, I'm like, oh no, no, that's not 1345 01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:12.119 the case at all. This is just a contact that 1346 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:16.320 Vincent has that you know, maybe they serve together or whatever. 1347 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:22.519 So after Gregor Steel goes bad, we end up at 1348 01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:24.800 the post office, which is, like I think, a real 1349 01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:27.960 important scene for Sam's character, even though it might not 1350 01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:31.599 be that important for the movie, it lets us it 1351 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:33.960 makes you think about Sam different the rest of the movie. 1352 01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:36.440 I mean, we've all thought I think I think you 1353 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:39.559 think that Sam's CIA, and all the characters in the 1354 01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:42.280 movie kind of have tried to you know, thought it 1355 01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:45.119 a little bit too, but he never confirms it, you know, 1356 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.320 and I think this sort of shows you that as 1357 01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:50.079 well as it shows them like he has other means 1358 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:52.679 to do things that he do not necessarily like wants 1359 01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:53.880 to go to. But he's like, a right, fine, I 1360 01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:56.599 can I have contacts that can do this, and like, yeah, 1361 01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.159 maybe it shows too much information to them about who 1362 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.719 he is or what his background is. As well as 1363 01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:05.199 us the audience is wondering is he still in the 1364 01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.119 CIA or is the Ronan thing about him? Because he's 1365 01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.159 not in the CIA anymore so the sea, you know, 1366 01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:12.239 he doesn't have a master to serve necessarily. 1367 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.239 So the idea, the way that I took it as 1368 01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:19.199 is that all of our characters are Ronan because they're 1369 01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:24.480 all X. Yeah whatever their their xpis from their expats, 1370 01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:27.639 from their their countries. So if the idea is that 1371 01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:31.000 they don't longer have a master that they serve, so 1372 01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:32.400 they're Ronan. 1373 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:34.199 Interesting. 1374 01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:39.800 I like it, but they get this his CIA contact 1375 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.800 at the post office lets them know where Gregor went, 1376 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:46.840 and like now, like I feel like the movie paused 1377 01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:49.719 here for us to take a breath. But I don't 1378 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.119 know if I necessarily needed to take a breath. I 1379 01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:53.880 think I think I would have been fine. 1380 01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.599 Yeah, I saw. I'm wondering if this movie maybe didn't 1381 01:07:57.639 --> 01:07:59.679 connect as well to when it released because it's called 1382 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:02.719 Ronan and it's a spy, you know, a thriller set 1383 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:05.400 in France, heist film, and then it's you know, starring 1384 01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:07.360 an American. So I don't think people knew what to 1385 01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:10.480 make of this film, even though the people that did 1386 01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.599 see I think enjoyed it for the most part. 1387 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:16.800 You know. Yeah, I think that that is the I. 1388 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:18.920 Remembering issue when it came out. 1389 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:24.159 Well, yeah, you were right, it was mixed. And once again, 1390 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:28.000 the issue goes back to the mixture of genres that 1391 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:30.479 are going on in this film and the mixture of 1392 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:33.399 philosophies as well, because this is not your like I said, 1393 01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:34.479 this is not your still. 1394 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:37.640 Film it's like, it's not like it's a French film. 1395 01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:40.520 Basically, it does it does be. Like I said, it's 1396 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:44.800 more Les Samurai more so than Mission Impossible or Adjason 1397 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:48.840 Bourne film. So it's it's not quite the same thing. 1398 01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:54.039 And in like the sixties and seventies, when John Frankenheimer 1399 01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:56.680 was really at the height of his career, this type 1400 01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:00.279 of film would have worked fantastically. What you also have 1401 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:02.880 had the same type of kinetic action that you get 1402 01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:05.760 in in this film that you could now do in 1403 01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:10.119 the nineties, and a lot of the the the current 1404 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.760 audience of the nineties looks at the action is like 1405 01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:17.039 being great. I think most people will remember the the 1406 01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:21.760 car chase scenes and the explosions, and that's awesome. But 1407 01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:24.119 I think the problem people have is with like the 1408 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:28.359 slower pace scenes and trying to build characters and understanding 1409 01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:30.159 what's going on, and. 1410 01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:34.279 You know, on a first watch, some people might be confused. 1411 01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:37.760 Or exactly And this is also one of another one 1412 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.039 of those films similar to like Atomic Blonde or you know, 1413 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:43.600 some of the films we've covered recently where it does 1414 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:47.560 require multiple viewings to catch those little details that are 1415 01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:50.640 being thrown out there that are being they're being they're 1416 01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:52.720 being shown to us, they're not being told to us, 1417 01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:56.800 so you might not necessarily get it right away. 1418 01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:00.000 Which is good storytelling, but it's so in a film. 1419 01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.680 I'm like this, sometimes it doesn't all. You don't soak 1420 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:03.800 it all. In first watch. 1421 01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:08.000 I did enjoy it more of my second watch. Yeah, yeah, 1422 01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.119 even though they were just like a day apart. 1423 01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:12.680 Yeah, but you understood the heist more, and that the 1424 01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:15.000 where things fit I think a little bit better. So 1425 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:16.760 like when you see it the second time, you're like, Okay, 1426 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:20.239 that makes sense now, because I do remember, like Seamus 1427 01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:22.199 and Gregor and the whole double cross, and then the 1428 01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:24.399 Russians coming in in the end, it gets a little 1429 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:27.159 muddled a little bit towards the end, I'll be honest, 1430 01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:29.119 The ending sort of, I don't know. It goes in 1431 01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.560 a trajectory where I honestly like the beginning and I 1432 01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:34.560 like the heist planning, and I like the heist. But 1433 01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:36.239 then we get the heist done and we have a 1434 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:38.560 good amount of film after that, and then it's all 1435 01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:40.680 like we now you need to find the case and 1436 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:42.319 it becomes more of a double cross. 1437 01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:46.000 So we leave there at this point we're leaving Paris 1438 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:49.279 and we go to this little tourist town and uh 1439 01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:53.159 like Seamus shows up and kills Larry like the Kyle 1440 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:57.119 sam Like there's tourist groups going around. The Russians are there, 1441 01:10:57.680 --> 01:10:59.720 Like there's I feel like there's like three groups of 1442 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:02.920 people moving around. There is to keep the track of 1443 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:03.720 all of them. 1444 01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:07.920 Yeah, there there's our there's our group. There's the Russians 1445 01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:11.000 with Gregory Gregor trying to sell the case. And then 1446 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:15.960 we also have Seamus and his and we yeah, wandering 1447 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.880 around and he's trying to take the case for himself, 1448 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.159 maybe trying to do it himself so he doesn't have 1449 01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:24.319 to pay this group that he hired. 1450 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:27.560 He's a piece of ship. I just thought, man, this 1451 01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:30.960 movie really does We got le Samurai, we have forty 1452 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:33.600 seven row, and we got Ricochet here that we covered 1453 01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:39.199 and in this movie. Yeah kind that's yeah, there's a 1454 01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:41.119 lot of ties ends to older older. 1455 01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:43.960 I will say this, this movie is better than Ricochet. 1456 01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:48.760 Absolutely, the ricochet itself is better than Ricochet. When do 1457 01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:51.239 you ever see a ricochet? And I love this moment 1458 01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:53.840 too later on when he's like this fucker sprayed his 1459 01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.439 bullets with teflon and went through his vest. Yeah, you 1460 01:11:57.479 --> 01:11:59.159 don't realize the moment right away. 1461 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:01.399 Yeah, the thing is like I don't even know if 1462 01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:05.000 like that's a real thing, but it it certainly worse 1463 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:07.880 for the film. They made it worse. 1464 01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:11.960 When Gregor's running away and he always got cancer, he 1465 01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.640 looks he looks like a damn toddler, Like he he 1466 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:20.119 jumps like a little boy and almost fall while Sam's 1467 01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:21.560 chasing him. 1468 01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:24.439 But maybe it's supposed to show that Gregor is not 1469 01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:27.560 necessarily like the most capable guy in that aspect. You know, Well, I. 1470 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.720 Feel like I feel like Gregor's used to I think 1471 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.680 Gregor's used to being ahead of everyone that he doesn't 1472 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.800 like that Sam Sam got ahead of him, and now 1473 01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:39.439 he's now that when he's caught off guard, he's not operating. 1474 01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:41.960 He says that on the phone too, right when he 1475 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:43.840 calls back the next meet, he said, I'll call you 1476 01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:46.560 in a better moment when like I have the advantage. 1477 01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:47.439 Yeah. 1478 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:51.600 Yeah, and this this also goes to his expertise. We 1479 01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:55.359 know he's a computer guy. He has a lot of expertise. Yes, 1480 01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:58.600 he's normally ahead of people. He is, he does, he 1481 01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:02.439 is very capable with weapons too, But like I said, 1482 01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:06.079 it's always with the advantage. And this is where Sam 1483 01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:08.800 is much. I think he's much more capable than Gregor, 1484 01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:10.760 and he's able to get ahead of him, and that 1485 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:13.720 really throws Gregor off, and that's why he looks kind 1486 01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:15.479 of listless in this moment. 1487 01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:17.840 Now, do you almost feel like we could have just 1488 01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:19.960 like combined the Gregor and Seamous character? 1489 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:21.279 Yeah? 1490 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:24.319 Yeah, almost two evils of the same evil. It's like 1491 01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:26.720 Gregor's cross. 1492 01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:31.840 Yeah, it's almost like there's too many like things happening 1493 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:34.239 at once. I would I would I think a Gregor 1494 01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:37.079 Seamous mixed mixing of those characters would have been a 1495 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:41.880 better idea. I mean that, so where what I think 1496 01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:46.079 would have worked better is maybe so we mix Seamus 1497 01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:49.079 and Gregor together. So like that's the that's the person 1498 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:52.399 that is UH is using Deirdre as a front man, 1499 01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:55.399 and Deirdre ends up really becoming a part of the 1500 01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:59.520 team that is created and she and everyone's double crossed. 1501 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:04.920 You have been like if Gregor was the mastermind the 1502 01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:07.000 whole time, and he was working from within the group, 1503 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:09.520 as if he was just a mercenary guy, but he 1504 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:11.960 was actually the guy who was feeding the information that 1505 01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:14.159 Deirdre Deer just didn't know it, or maybe she does, 1506 01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:15.399 but nobody else knows that. 1507 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.920 All the usual suspects all yeah, usual suspects. 1508 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:20.399 Oh that would have been the guy was in the 1509 01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:23.399 room the whole time. And then then the double cross 1510 01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:27.479 comes and you could stubs, but Gregor double crosses you. 1511 01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:29.479 But it ends up being you know, like Sam constantly 1512 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:32.239 asking those questions is like causing a lot of friction. 1513 01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:35.359 Oh dude, that would have been I think that would 1514 01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:39.319 have made this film like probably much more prominent than 1515 01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:40.000 it really is. 1516 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.720 I just think we like, we get these double crosses, 1517 01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:45.039 it's like several of them at once, and it's just 1518 01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:47.800 seems redundant too, because it's just like same shame. It's 1519 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:50.000 just a shitty character and he's willing to do whatever, 1520 01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:51.560 and Gregor's almost the same fucking guys. 1521 01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:54.000 It's just a lot to put in one movie. 1522 01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:56.119 Yeah, exactly, this was. 1523 01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:59.159 Like a sixth episode HBO show. We only got one 1524 01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:03.000 double crossing episode. Yeah, that would that would be great. 1525 01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:07.039 You could make a cool show out of that. Like 1526 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:09.760 the heist itself would be a cool fucking It's like 1527 01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:12.600 four parter, The Heist and the actual like planning and 1528 01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:15.039 then the actual heights. You could show more stuff like 1529 01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:17.600 with them getting the guns and then getting materials and 1530 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:19.479 ship like like I will say that the car, that 1531 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:21.760 car was put together very fast. How much time is 1532 01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:24.319 like he was like, I need new valves and injectors 1533 01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:26.680 and this that that doesn't just happen overnight. Even if 1534 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:29.159 Vincent knows Dominic Toreto, I. 1535 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:31.960 Think they do a good job all about family. Yeah, 1536 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.479 it is like there's a loose timeline, but they're not 1537 01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:38.239 exactly how many days this is. 1538 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:41.000 Yeah, give me a couple of day night cycles. Then 1539 01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:42.720 if you're not gonna give me a number on the screen, 1540 01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:43.640 then just show me a couple. 1541 01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:48.720 Yeah, the timeline is very loose on this movie. 1542 01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.840 Most of it doesn't bother me. But the fact that 1543 01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:53.800 that like that car was up and running like the 1544 01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:55.880 next day, I felt like and I was like, you 1545 01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:57.880 put a nitrous system in there. And I guess Mention 1546 01:15:58.039 --> 01:15:58.840 is just very capable. 1547 01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:02.880 He knows well that it's okay. So Vince is able 1548 01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:05.680 to Vincent is able to get acquire all the stuff. 1549 01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:08.640 I'm sure he knows people. He probably has a team 1550 01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:10.239 of people to put it in. 1551 01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:12.960 And that and it turns out Dominic tourto was actually 1552 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.399 spending time in Paris at this moment in the time. 1553 01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:17.520 Oh yeah, probably. 1554 01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:19.319 Yeah, he did it. He was the one that's put 1555 01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:19.760 it in there. 1556 01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:22.560 The Fast and the Furious guys were right there helping them. 1557 01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:25.000 Out back when they actually raced cars stuff. 1558 01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:28.199 And not going into space. 1559 01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:30.680 I haven't even seen those newer ones. 1560 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:35.239 I think I stopped at Tokyo Drift, like that's where 1561 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:37.319 I stopped too, But I do know about the fucking 1562 01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:38.520 them going in some good. 1563 01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:40.479 There's some good drifting in Tokyo Drift. 1564 01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:42.439 Tokyo Drifts actually pretty good. 1565 01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:46.159 I thought that movie was dominant first, and it is, 1566 01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:48.199 but it's like fun, dumb, like I've I've. 1567 01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:52.239 Like it's like a sequel to Sling Place because the 1568 01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:54.159 kids in it. 1569 01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:55.479 Have you all seen. 1570 01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:01.239 Oh yeah many many times. 1571 01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:03.960 There my biscuits. Yeah, I seen them French, but. 1572 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:12.600 We could easily put that on the commentary listen with commentary. 1573 01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:15.800 A lot of civilians get shot. 1574 01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:21.680 Yeah, all those people at the farm stands like earlier. 1575 01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:23.199 What a what a shitty day to take a tour? 1576 01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:30.159 Yeah, like people that die, the five tourists that die 1577 01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:33.279 in this uh this thing, but. 1578 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:39.079 Uh Yeah, Sam, Sam gets shot and yeah, they take 1579 01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:40.720 him over to Gary Gax's. 1580 01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:42.600 He does. 1581 01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:48.560 But yeah, I like I said, I I love the 1582 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:53.600 Jean Pierre character, and he uh uh. Obviously like Sam 1583 01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:56.119 is like, I'm leaking here. I got I gotta do something. 1584 01:17:57.239 --> 01:17:58.720 That's why he's like, all right, I'll bring it in 1585 01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:01.760 my buddy's house, who normally I wouldn't bring anybody to. Yeah, 1586 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:03.720 that feels like this is a this is risk and 1587 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:06.479 John Pierre, but I like that. 1588 01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:10.439 Yeah, he reassures the post office right in front of Hilm, 1589 01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:12.920 so like, I feel like that's true. The walls a 1590 01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:14.439 little bit, that's true. 1591 01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:16.199 I didn't think about that heat. They are dropping the 1592 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:19.119 walls and that's there. They're Yeah, it's like a scale, 1593 01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:23.359 and they're meeting each other both ways constantly in this 1594 01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:26.079 whole heights where they're they're gravitating towards each other. 1595 01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:28.640 I'm never showing they're they're showing a little bit of 1596 01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:30.600 their cards to each other in a. 1597 01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:32.159 Sense, because they're growing some trust. 1598 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:35.640 I've never seen the Professional. Is he playing a similar 1599 01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:37.399 character that he did in that movie? 1600 01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:39.359 You've never seen on the Professional? 1601 01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:41.800 Yeah, we should cover oh. 1602 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.800 Man, we definitely need to cover that. He's a hit 1603 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:46.560 man in that, but he's a he's a protector in 1604 01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:47.479 that essentially. 1605 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:50.680 Yeah, but he's like the cool, collective French guy that 1606 01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:51.479 doesn't talk a lot. 1607 01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:55.600 Yeah. Yeah, that's not of his character in most of 1608 01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:57.359 his films. 1609 01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:00.520 This is it's a that I'm sure that The mandal 1610 01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.000 The Mandalorian is based off of. I would assume that 1611 01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:06.119 it's a little bit like Leon the Professional. Yeah, so 1612 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:08.399 if you've seen The Mandalorian, it has a little bit 1613 01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:10.800 of those elements, and Leon the Professional. 1614 01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:13.680 A bad guy who's been given a job to protect somebody. 1615 01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:15.199 Yeah. Yeah. 1616 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:17.119 And Gary Oldman's in it. He's amazing. 1617 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:24.119 The Washington movie like that too, right where he's uh yeah, 1618 01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:24.720 man on Fire. 1619 01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:28.199 That's a great movie. You never seen that map? What 1620 01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:29.960 we come a manifire? 1621 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:31.279 Hell? Yeah? 1622 01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:33.159 Nice anyway. 1623 01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:39.960 So yeah, so they're they're while they're while they're at uh, 1624 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:43.439 Sam does surgery on himself and this seems pretty bad ass. 1625 01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:45.800 And I watched a lot of horror movies. 1626 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:50.079 Then I get queezed, Yes, I want guys appendix with 1627 01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:51.079 the Grape group spoon. 1628 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:54.640 So I was wondering if that was like a reference 1629 01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:55.479 to another film. 1630 01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:59.319 No, I don't. I don't think so. I don't think so. 1631 01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:00.239 But god his. 1632 01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:08.279 Cousin, Yeah, yeah, you love that moment too. He's like, 1633 01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:09.960 all right, now that that's done, I'm just gonna pass. 1634 01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:10.960 That can catch me up. 1635 01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:14.039 He's like, they're like you want to you want some booze? 1636 01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:14.880 He's like, no booze? 1637 01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:19.479 Yeah, why not till he was done? Man, I think yeah, yeah, 1638 01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:22.279 which you're smart, but it just shows it like Sam's 1639 01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:23.600 been around the block, bro. 1640 01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:26.079 And uh, as soon as they're done with that, they 1641 01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:28.479 cut the Dedra cussing her boss out. 1642 01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:29.399 Mm hmmm. 1643 01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:33.840 I think the audience needed that, so we know. 1644 01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:36.479 We know that, just so we know that, like she's 1645 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:40.359 not Yes, she has been working for Seamus, but she's 1646 01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:42.119 not necessarily on Seamus's side. 1647 01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:44.840 They have different character alignments. 1648 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.880 Why do you have to kill Larry? And it's like yeah, 1649 01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:51.399 and he's he's blaming her for the failure of getting 1650 01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:53.920 the case, like, yeah, the only reason I hired these 1651 01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:56.079 guys because through your fucking contact. 1652 01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:59.720 But he also never answers her like why did he 1653 01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:01.479 kill Larry? They don't have to? 1654 01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:07.399 Yeah, And also like so did Seamus hire Gregor? Because 1655 01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:11.960 Seamus is technically behind the hiring of Gregor and h Spence, 1656 01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:15.880 who was a fuck up. So is it just because 1657 01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:18.840 they were cheap and like, but did he know that 1658 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:20.399 Gregor was gonna fuck them over? 1659 01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:21.319 I don't know. 1660 01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:25.199 There's something there's there's a part of Seamus that like, 1661 01:21:25.239 --> 01:21:28.760 I'm just really it doesn't make sense, Like there there's 1662 01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.399 something that he knows that we're not privy to. 1663 01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:34.800 Yeah, you think if he didn't, if he plans on 1664 01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:38.319 not paying them, he would have got better people, because. 1665 01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:42.960 Yeah, you're right, it just happens that Sam is very 1666 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:46.960 capable and and Vincent and Larry are capable, but the 1667 01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:49.199 other two guys that are hired are. 1668 01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:52.239 Not to get the fucking case. 1669 01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:55.399 Well, I will say this, Gregor is capable, he's just 1670 01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:57.159 a he's a backstabber. 1671 01:21:57.640 --> 01:21:59.920 Ye, we just don't know where. At some point Shame 1672 01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:03.199 was going to double cross them too. It had to 1673 01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:06.560 be that. Yeah, absolutely, I doubt that was going to 1674 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:08.720 be able to just pay everybody and then everybody's going 1675 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:10.399 to be in their way as as much as she 1676 01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:12.239 thought she was going to be able to. Like when 1677 01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:14.119 she tells them that I think she believes that. 1678 01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:16.680 Yeah, did is being double cross too. 1679 01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:19.920 I think she's only been given certain pieces of the 1680 01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:22.479 of the puzzle. When she's when it's you know, when 1681 01:22:22.479 --> 01:22:26.479 they deem her lucky enough to have that information. Yeah, 1682 01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:28.800 but yeah, he patches himself up. We get that cool 1683 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:32.159 like moment of the plot behind the forty seven Ronin 1684 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:36.199 and there's just a little kind of tangent, not necessarily, 1685 01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:37.560 but it's still a cool scene. 1686 01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:40.439 I will say this is my first. 1687 01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:43.840 It's like a poetic nature to the scene. But he 1688 01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.640 does drag a little bit, like it slows down the film. 1689 01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:48.680 In a way. So this is this is my This 1690 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:51.199 is my intro to the understanding of what the forty 1691 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:53.680 seven Ronin was because I never knew this story until 1692 01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:58.479 me to watch this movie. And obviously this turned me 1693 01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.359 down to a road I didn't even know check a 1694 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:03.479 lot of yeah, I didn't know either. This is this 1695 01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:08.560 is my introduction to this Japanese philosophy and obviously is 1696 01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:14.439 the start of my love for Japanese film and for me, Uh, 1697 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:18.039 the gunfight at the OK Corral, that's that is our 1698 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:23.000 version of the forty seven ronin. That's the So once 1699 01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:25.159 I understood that, I was like, oh, that this is 1700 01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:28.319 like their their version of that. This is there the 1701 01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:31.760 story that is told in Japanese lored over and over 1702 01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:34.920 and over again, and so yeah, it's just kind of 1703 01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:37.760 cool being introduced to it through this film. 1704 01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:40.000 Now, Matt, do you think it's heavy handed though? Because 1705 01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:40.920 the movie's already. 1706 01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:44.119 Called so I'm already familiar with it. But I'm wondering 1707 01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:46.880 if I if I came into this movie not knowing 1708 01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:49.840 what a fucking Ronan was and not hurting the. 1709 01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:52.319 From nineteen ninety eight, I didn't know it was, you know, 1710 01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:52.960 who knows what? 1711 01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:56.479 Who knows the pop culture references people have coming in 1712 01:23:56.920 --> 01:23:58.840 because there was you know, the Internet wasn't big yet, 1713 01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:01.319 so like you just knew what you you know, like 1714 01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:02.319 what you just tried. 1715 01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:05.239 And you're a history buff and you also you like 1716 01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:06.920 sword stuff, so I feel like you. 1717 01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:11.079 So yeah, coming to this in twenty twenty five, people 1718 01:24:11.079 --> 01:24:13.039 would be like this is very ham fisted, But in 1719 01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:17.479 nineteen ninety eight, I would guarantee that most Americans watching 1720 01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:20.359 this had no idea what the fuck a Ronan was 1721 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:25.199 or the story of the forty seven Ronan at all. Yeah, exactly. 1722 01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:28.439 And and so when JD. Syke, who was the screenwriter, 1723 01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:32.359 these were the stories that he read the Shogun novel, 1724 01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:37.199 the James Glovell novel, and he had read about the 1725 01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:41.199 forty seven Ronan and wanted to create a modern version 1726 01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:44.960 of that. And I to a degree, I think he's successful. 1727 01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:50.399 But maybe because the idea that like these stories aren't 1728 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:54.199 really well known in Western culture. This is why we 1729 01:24:54.279 --> 01:24:56.039 have a scene like this here. 1730 01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.840 There's a really good line here where he says, uh, 1731 01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:04.199 whenever there is doubt, there isn't any doubt, and that 1732 01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:05.800 that kind of stuck with me, Like the fact that 1733 01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:08.960 you doubt is yeah, if you if you're if you're 1734 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:12.640 not unsure, fucking don't do it like yeah, And I 1735 01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:15.000 mean that's just good advice for any one. 1736 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:17.560 I got you, Like, you can't have doubt about having doubt, 1737 01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:22.399 it's you already have the doubt. So then that's your feeling. 1738 01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:25.239 Basically saying, trust your gut if something's telling you that 1739 01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:28.119 it's wrong, there's something wrong, like don't. 1740 01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:30.880 Don't, which we see several times in Sam Sam's character 1741 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.840 where he feels something's off, you know, yes, and doesn't want. 1742 01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:36.119 To go along. Well, I mean the whole movie, Sam 1743 01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:40.119 knows something's off. That why he's always questioning things. He's 1744 01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:44.640 always very careful of certain characters. That's why he's testing people. 1745 01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:49.880 He's always doubting things and questioning things, and that's what 1746 01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:52.399 keeps him alive and keeps the people that he cares 1747 01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:53.359 about alive. 1748 01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:58.039 And so now once he recoups, they find they find 1749 01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:02.359 Deirdre and Gregor's location because of the case. Correct, they 1750 01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:06.960 realized that the case was a skatecase. They back to 1751 01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:08.199 the Russians. 1752 01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:11.680 Right because the idea was because him and Vincent are 1753 01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:15.640 are the last remaining two and they're figuring out like, 1754 01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:17.760 so how do we how do we find out where 1755 01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:21.000 Gregor is? And when they realized, well, he's selling it 1756 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:23.640 to the Russians, like we don't have to find how 1757 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:26.079 they had to find the Russians. 1758 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:30.239 Again because they have the chase scene. I forgot what 1759 01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:32.399 that was from. Was that still from the cell phone? 1760 01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:34.840 Were they still using the cell phone triangulation at that 1761 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:36.439 point because there's a chase scene in. 1762 01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:40.560 Between before, Yes, yes, that's what it was initially, So 1763 01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:48.119 initially it was them with the found no hold on 1764 01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:48.600 a second. 1765 01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:51.199 Then later there's a chase scene with Gregor in the 1766 01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:54.720 car and where they chase Gregor what's his name? And 1767 01:26:54.920 --> 01:26:57.520 Dedre right, am I wrong? 1768 01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:04.359 Right at Gregor down and I think Dedre kidnaps Gregor 1769 01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:07.079 in front of them, like they come out of the 1770 01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:09.920 house together. I don't know how they got. 1771 01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:13.319 And then that's yeah, that's when they and then that 1772 01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:15.279 that's when the car flips off the bridge and then 1773 01:27:15.319 --> 01:27:17.199 they shoot at it and it blows up and then 1774 01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:19.520 but everybody gets out. Anyway, that would have been a 1775 01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:21.600 good moment for me for like DJ to die. 1776 01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:28.119 Would be yeah, like dmage uh D is driving like 1777 01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:32.640 pretty nonchalantly, but the whole time Sam's driving like Robert 1778 01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:34.399 de Niro looks like he's trying to hold the ship in. 1779 01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:36.720 And I don't know they do. They all looked like 1780 01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:39.319 they were driving for real. Like DD's face look worried, 1781 01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:40.560 and Ert. 1782 01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:45.520 He's like, well, you know, he's like yeah, he's got 1783 01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:49.720 his hands very tight, like he's so I'll talk. So 1784 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:51.399 now we're at the chasing, I'll talk. 1785 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:53.640 I will just say real quick. It does make sense 1786 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:56.439 because realistic, like you don't make big fucking movements with 1787 01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:58.039 the wheel like do you see in a lot of movies, 1788 01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:00.640 right they're like, so him just having his hands tight 1789 01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:02.840 is more like a race car driver. And in that moment. 1790 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:05.239 That's kind of how you're gonna be white knuckled. 1791 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:09.359 So here here's how this scene, how these scenes played out. 1792 01:28:09.399 --> 01:28:13.720 What was which is really great one Deirdre is worried 1793 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:17.479 because she is being essentially being held at gunpoint and 1794 01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:21.720 she's running for her life because Seamus is gonna kill 1795 01:28:21.720 --> 01:28:26.159 her if she doesn't run. You have de Niro, who 1796 01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:30.359 is Sam, who is obviously he's going after. But our 1797 01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:36.199 stunt drivers are two main sunt drivers. They're professional race 1798 01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:38.439 car drivers. We had there was like ne f one driver. 1799 01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:41.960 There was a i think like a sports car driver. 1800 01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:44.640 That was all that was also in this. And so 1801 01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:49.439 are our actors, uh, And they were sitting over in 1802 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:54.279 essentially the they were in the opposite side of the car, 1803 01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:58.039 and our actors are mimicking their movements and how they're 1804 01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:01.439 driving because our actors, like so they had dual steering wheels, 1805 01:29:01.520 --> 01:29:06.520 dual pedals, and the actors didn't have control of the car. 1806 01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:10.800 The professional stunt race car drivers did, and so they 1807 01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:13.479 were just mimicking their movements. And as far as like 1808 01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:17.800 the minimal like steering wheel movements and yeah or like yeah, 1809 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:21.840 it's it is tough. And you also had so they're 1810 01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:25.920 gunning it. They're going one hundred miles an hour, and 1811 01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:29.680 they also had a mixture of all the other people 1812 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:32.479 that are on the road. They're also sun drivers, but 1813 01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.640 they're driving at a slower speed, which makes the pace 1814 01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:38.680 look even more frantic. So they're driving i think at 1815 01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:41.520 like forty miles an hour and in a in a 1816 01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:43.079 set style. 1817 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:47.079 Yes, that's like the other cars are going even faster. 1818 01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:50.960 Right, and so it creates this like frantic look and 1819 01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:53.359 it looks great. And this is this is one of 1820 01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:56.760 the great chase scenes in cinema history, up there with 1821 01:29:56.840 --> 01:30:00.319 the French Connection or Bullet if you will. 1822 01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:03.039 Yeah, it's great neck for sure. And there's a lot 1823 01:30:03.199 --> 01:30:05.399 a lot going on. If you watch all the back 1824 01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:07.960 and forth when they're going down the highway like the 1825 01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:10.720 wrong way, it's there's a lot of tough driving there. 1826 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:14.880 There's a lot of yeah it down the streets in 1827 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:17.039 this in this chase scene. 1828 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:18.960 Remind me of the Matrix too a little bit. 1829 01:30:19.039 --> 01:30:20.920 Hit me on the edge of my seat, like literally 1830 01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:21.279 I was like. 1831 01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:26.399 Oh no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, And it's this is 1832 01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:30.279 probably what we'll remember from the film is this particular scene, 1833 01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:32.640 which is you know, a good like ten minute chase, 1834 01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:37.039 and it's it is exciting, it's fun, it's it's crazy 1835 01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:37.439 the way it. 1836 01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:41.239 Ends when they hit the the car off the edge, 1837 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:43.479 and I like how they're like shooting down below. They 1838 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.119 can't quite get down there, so they can't get to 1839 01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:48.520 the people in the car, you know. So yeah, they're 1840 01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:50.800 like ship, we can't get to them. 1841 01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:54.199 Yeah, shooting at like so the crash causes a lot 1842 01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:57.039 of fluid, the leak, and you have Vincent and Sam 1843 01:30:57.079 --> 01:30:59.359 shooting at the car, which ignites that fluid. 1844 01:30:59.439 --> 01:31:02.239 But then they can't anymore because like there's other bystanders 1845 01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:03.800 getting the way, like the construction guys. 1846 01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:06.319 Yeah, because they're they're trying the construction guys are trying 1847 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:06.960 to pull them out. 1848 01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:09.800 Is just a horrible Save that hot blonde, quick, save 1849 01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:14.920 the dirty. Yeah, very blonde. She's very attractive in this. 1850 01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:18.000 I actually like her better when she's not dressed up. 1851 01:31:18.039 --> 01:31:19.960 I like her better when she's in the pub and ship. 1852 01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:22.000 Oh yeah, same here, dude. 1853 01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:23.279 She's a planning stage. 1854 01:31:24.079 --> 01:31:26.880 Like I said, she's not a like a bombshell. But 1855 01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:30.159 there's there's a sexiness too. There's a sexiness to her 1856 01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:31.359 that I really love. 1857 01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:34.159 And like we said before. She's assertive in a moment, 1858 01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:37.159 and you don't view her as like the female, like 1859 01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:39.439 she's just one of the crews. 1860 01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:43.319 Yeah, exactly, and that I think that that's what that's 1861 01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:46.439 what attracted her to this role she wanted. She she's 1862 01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:48.720 just one of the guys essentially, but. 1863 01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:51.199 She still does have that sex appeal when you know, 1864 01:31:52.399 --> 01:31:54.800 you know complex. It makes her character because she is 1865 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:57.039 a she is a female. She can use those feminine 1866 01:31:57.039 --> 01:31:59.680 ways as she has to, especially in this kind of world, 1867 01:31:59.800 --> 01:31:59.960 you know. 1868 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:05.000 Yeah, right, And this is where because obviously our guys escape, 1869 01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:09.039 and this is where Benson and Sam are realizing that 1870 01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:11.279 we don't have to find Gregor. We just have to 1871 01:32:11.359 --> 01:32:15.399 find the Russians and we'll figure out like what we 1872 01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:17.439 have to do. And this is what sets up our 1873 01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:21.079 our final the case, if you will. Okay, now, now 1874 01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:23.159 now that we're talking about it, now, I figured this 1875 01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:24.560 is this is what's going. 1876 01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:28.199 On the showdown at the ice skating rink. 1877 01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:34.199 Yeah, and so there's a giant skating billboard behind them 1878 01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:37.159 while they're at the car shop talking to the Russians. 1879 01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:42.880 The clue it is this giant billboard behind well, the. 1880 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:44.840 Guy does give them a clue. It's like, well, if 1881 01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:47.199 you're looking for Russians, you might find them at this 1882 01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:49.760 ice skating show. And it just happens that there's an 1883 01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:53.960 advertisement for that ice skating show right across the way. 1884 01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:58.800 It's like the dungeon Master like was giving small clues, 1885 01:32:58.840 --> 01:32:59.840 and the small clues. 1886 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.720 Yeah, because he's like, the players aren't getting it. I 1887 01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:05.880 gotta drop a real nugget, like an MPC is in 1888 01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:08.079 point the way exactly exactly. 1889 01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:13.359 But we have so are our Russians here that we 1890 01:33:13.399 --> 01:33:17.840 haven't talked about yet. We have Fodor Atkin who plays Mickey. 1891 01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:23.199 He's actually a journeyman French actor and people might know him. 1892 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:27.319 He's the French language voice dub for Marvel Disney characters 1893 01:33:27.399 --> 01:33:31.239 played by William Hurt, Ben Kingsley, Hugo Weaving and others. 1894 01:33:31.279 --> 01:33:33.720 So like a lot of our Marvel characters, he's the 1895 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:40.640 French dubb artist for them. And the skater Natasha Kirilova 1896 01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:44.239 is played by Katerina Witt, who is a two time 1897 01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:48.039 Olympic champion for East Germany, both in the eighty four 1898 01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:51.720 Sarajevo and the eighty eight Calgary Winter Olympics for figure. 1899 01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:54.479 Skating MM she's got buns of steel. 1900 01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:57.279 She does have buns of steal. She's hot. 1901 01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:00.520 Yeah, she got shot though, so a little young too, 1902 01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:02.520 looks like for dating a soulder guy. 1903 01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:05.640 Well yeah yeah, he's exactly how. 1904 01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:09.520 Young but she definitely looks twenties compared to him. But 1905 01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:10.680 he was like. 1906 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:13.960 Yeah, well yeah, because he doesn't care about her. She's 1907 01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:14.760 just an ends to. 1908 01:34:14.920 --> 01:34:18.680 Like I took it different. I took it that he 1909 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:20.760 does care about her, But no, he doesn't. 1910 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:23.680 Is that important he shoots. 1911 01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:26.920 Him, no problem, He cares about the He walks out 1912 01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:29.800 there and the case, and the case is more important 1913 01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.600 than the than his figure skater girlfriend or what. 1914 01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:35.439 He doesn't even weigh the situation that he just shoots. 1915 01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:38.720 He makes a decision right away. The case. What is 1916 01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:42.720 in the case that's so important? You think launch coades 1917 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:46.600 like the same thing from Atomic Bond, Like. 1918 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:50.159 This suitcase from Iron Man two. 1919 01:34:50.279 --> 01:34:51.319 That's something to look at. 1920 01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:53.720 Oh yeah, I mean it's the same thing with like 1921 01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:56.600 with the pulp fiction or kiss Me Deadly, Like, we 1922 01:34:56.640 --> 01:34:58.760 don't know what the fuck is in the case. It's 1923 01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:02.640 just this Nero does. Well, de Niro knows, but we don't. 1924 01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:05.880 We Gregor did not know what's in that case? Well, 1925 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:08.319 obviously Gregor knows what's in the case, because why would 1926 01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:10.800 he be working so hard to steal it so he 1927 01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:14.319 can sell it. Yeah, it's just we as the audience 1928 01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:16.119 have no idea what the hell is in that case. 1929 01:35:17.279 --> 01:35:19.720 I like, when they're trying to get back into the 1930 01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:23.000 ice skate ring, we hear the we went to high 1931 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:25.239 school together line again. 1932 01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:27.439 Oh yeah, Vincent. 1933 01:35:28.359 --> 01:35:28.600 Yeah. 1934 01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:36.560 Vincent uses the same line that Danira used on him later, tangulation. 1935 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:37.199 They have to beat that guy up, and Vince's like, 1936 01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:40.399 I can't. I can't. I couldn't live with myself. Yeah, 1937 01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:44.760 you have to, I can't do. Yeah, such a good thrid. 1938 01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:47.880 Oh yeah, it's so great. 1939 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:50.520 I felt bad when Vincent gets shot too, because I 1940 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:53.000 was like, oh fuck, Like he gets shot pretty bad, 1941 01:35:53.319 --> 01:35:54.119 like twice. 1942 01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:56.439 Sham it. Yeah yeah, Shaman's shoots him twice. 1943 01:35:56.920 --> 01:35:59.479 Yeah, and you're like fuck. And then we see Sam 1944 01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:01.960 get shot. But I love this moment where he can't 1945 01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:04.399 because Sam was gonna. Sam was done for in that moment. 1946 01:36:04.479 --> 01:36:06.800 I thought Sam was bluffing at first, like he's got 1947 01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:08.840 to take one on the shoulder just to glure him in, 1948 01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:10.920 but he was really you know, hurt. 1949 01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:15.520 Yeah, and that's his shooting hand too, so it's he's 1950 01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:19.119 fucked in that moment before, Well, Vincent just comes in 1951 01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:20.319 and saves. 1952 01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:23.880 The day before that, they double crossed Gregor again. Gregor 1953 01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:28.000 thinks he he has a snipe for on his on 1954 01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:31.720 the the salesman's girlfriend out there ice skating, and he's 1955 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:35.399 confident that he will pay him and let him leave 1956 01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:38.560 or because he's not gonna his girlfriend gets shot, and 1957 01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:42.279 we find out that that's not true. So even though 1958 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:46.279 the case is very important, apparently it's not important enough 1959 01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:50.119 just to pay for. But the graphics that they use, 1960 01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:54.640 the the practical effects they use for this headshot, I 1961 01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:55.680 thought looked good. 1962 01:36:56.119 --> 01:36:58.640 He's like the bullet was just lodged right in there. Yeah, 1963 01:36:58.680 --> 01:37:00.840 like you don't even get to see blood. Uh. 1964 01:37:01.359 --> 01:37:05.159 I'm sure they quick. I'm sure if they lingered on it, 1965 01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:07.000 it might not look as good as I think it does. 1966 01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:09.600 But with the editing, I was like, damn it was. 1967 01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:12.279 It was definitely like because you don't anticipate it, I 1968 01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:14.399 think too, And then you weren't. You're wondering like did 1969 01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:15.960 that come from the sniper? Where did it come from? 1970 01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:17.760 Because they don't show the gun shoot it right, like 1971 01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:18.479 it's just shot. 1972 01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:21.159 After he gets a shot. 1973 01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:23.880 Yeah, so it's not like you you never see the 1974 01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:26.720 Russian shoot him and then there's that guy that's with him. 1975 01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:28.359 So I was always wondering, like, oh, did the other 1976 01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:30.760 guy show up and shoot Gregor? Like or did our 1977 01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:32.079 guy decide to shoot Gregor? 1978 01:37:32.199 --> 01:37:32.239 No. 1979 01:37:32.359 --> 01:37:34.880 I think they have to show the gun because Gregor 1980 01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:38.720 starts to he starts to realize, oh no, I'm not 1981 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:41.640 I'm in danger like he thought he had it locked 1982 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:43.239 in with the with the. 1983 01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:45.359 But I never remember a gun trained on him. So 1984 01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:46.760 that's why I was like when the gun, when the 1985 01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:48.359 bullet hits him in the head, all of a sudden, 1986 01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:49.680 I'm like, oh, ship, where did that come from. 1987 01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:53.199 I was surprised that the skater got shot. 1988 01:37:53.479 --> 01:37:57.159 I was, ye, well he never RelA information we did 1989 01:37:57.279 --> 01:37:59.560 we Yeah, we had said we saw the sniper in 1990 01:37:59.600 --> 01:37:59.920 the rap. 1991 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:04.960 Gregor wasn't Yeah I saw it. I like the movie. 1992 01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:08.079 The movie audience member in me was like, oh damn, 1993 01:38:08.119 --> 01:38:10.680 they did it. They really did it well. 1994 01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:14.439 I that also makes the scene with the uh the 1995 01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:16.840 when he's in the car with that first rush in 1996 01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:19.479 and he's ready to shoot the kid like he's not bluffing. 1997 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:22.640 He was going to shoot that kid, and so the 1998 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:28.479 idea of him having a sniper in the rafters essentially 1999 01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:33.199 he thought he had the upper hand, that he was 2000 01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:37.000 targeting something that he thought was more the most important 2001 01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:42.359 thing in Mikhal's life, which was a skater and Gregor missing. 2002 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:46.359 I guess misunderstood that, like he was saying, this is 2003 01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:48.840 the most important thing for him. He's going to protect 2004 01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:51.279 her at all costs so that I will be safe. 2005 01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:54.439 But in reality, whatever's in that case is the most 2006 01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:56.279 important thing now. 2007 01:38:56.439 --> 01:39:00.279 So now they're now the whole ice skating ring is 2008 01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:06.319 like in a tussle, like every everyone. And I really thought, 2009 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:10.760 because like uh Sam, Sam and the team are going in, right, 2010 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:13.760 was all hell breaks loose? And I was like, oh no, 2011 01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:18.680 they're gonna get blamed for this. Uh yeah, Like I 2012 01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:20.960 really I thought that was the setup where I thought 2013 01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:23.119 they were about to get have to fight the cops 2014 01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:25.159 and all kinds of stuff, and they kind of do, 2015 01:39:25.800 --> 01:39:28.279 but uh yeah, Like I was like, this is going 2016 01:39:28.319 --> 01:39:30.359 horribly wrong and they're not even there yet. 2017 01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:33.479 Yeah, and then we find out that Seamus is there. 2018 01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:37.600 He he's dressed up as a police officer and he 2019 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:43.159 ends up shooting Michale and his bodyguard takes the case 2020 01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:47.199 and they realize that he's out there. They get out 2021 01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:50.279 to like where they need to go. And this is 2022 01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:52.600 like the last like Little Chase and Seamus. 2023 01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:55.960 They he's trying to make it the he's trying to 2024 01:39:55.960 --> 01:39:58.520 make it to get away car, but Sam gets there 2025 01:39:58.640 --> 01:40:01.000 first and talks her to just leave him with out 2026 01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:05.000 ing yeah, which you know, like, I I'm surprised, you Like, 2027 01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:07.720 I think that's a good happy medium because he's like 2028 01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:11.279 he's not killing her, but he doesn't expect her to 2029 01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:13.920 help him. He's like just leave. 2030 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:15.520 Yeah. 2031 01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:18.000 I think the more civilians get shot in the scene too. 2032 01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:20.520 I feel like at the moment where you think she's 2033 01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:22.479 not even gonna get out of there, but she does 2034 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:22.960 get out. 2035 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:26.640 Yeah, she finds a way. She just fucking high tails 2036 01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:27.199 it out of there. 2037 01:40:27.319 --> 01:40:30.600 And it was Sam's people coming, you see. That was 2038 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:31.279 the guy again. 2039 01:40:31.399 --> 01:40:36.319 But and this this also, I think pays more to 2040 01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:39.880 that the theory that he's actually really in the CIA 2041 01:40:40.039 --> 01:40:42.399 still m Well, he. 2042 01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:47.359 Works somehow through like on the outskirts. I don't know somehow, Like, yeah, 2043 01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:50.520 it's interesting. I could live in this world a little 2044 01:40:50.520 --> 01:40:53.720 bit longer, if not with these characters, like I could 2045 01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:56.560 see like Jean Renaud's character, like I could follow him 2046 01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:58.680 to his next job, or I don't know, there's just 2047 01:40:59.000 --> 01:40:59.680 I like this world. 2048 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:03.680 I'll be honest. I would love more Sam and Vincent together. Yes, 2049 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:06.680 I think those two, those two together, I want to 2050 01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:08.119 see more missions with them. 2051 01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:14.479 I think they would be great. From from fucking Uncharted Uncharted. Yeah, absolutely, 2052 01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:18.560 in a way. I do like their their relationship, and 2053 01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:20.760 I like the way it leads, it lens uh it 2054 01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:22.119 ends with them sort of. 2055 01:41:22.600 --> 01:41:25.199 Yeah, But like I said, we we end up having 2056 01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:31.239 the whole situation. Uh Vincent gets shot, Uh Sam chan Us, Yeah, 2057 01:41:31.239 --> 01:41:36.600 the Russians get killed. Uh. Seamous shoots Sam in the shoulder, 2058 01:41:37.079 --> 01:41:39.279 and we're thinking, like, oh ship, you know this is 2059 01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:44.039 it's Seamus is gonna win. And then Vincent you know, 2060 01:41:44.199 --> 01:41:47.760 drags himself essentially we thought was dead, and he drags 2061 01:41:47.840 --> 01:41:52.159 himself to kill Seamus and saves the day. And this 2062 01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:55.840 is where we we actually don't see the conclusion of that. 2063 01:41:55.960 --> 01:42:00.520 We just we end up cutting to the cat cafe 2064 01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:03.800 that we started out our movie in. They're both benches up. 2065 01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:08.560 We see that obviously both of them survived and they're 2066 01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:12.439 talking about the events, and Vincent asked him, was like, 2067 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:15.560 what actually was in that case? Like I don't remember, 2068 01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:18.880 you know, going back to the the idea of the 2069 01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:24.199 the the the Spy Credo essentially, and rule number two 2070 01:42:24.359 --> 01:42:30.680 is that you don't remember anything. Yeah, exactly. And there 2071 01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:34.399 he goes to reach for his his walls, like I 2072 01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:36.920 I can't even reach for my wall. It's like, don't worry, 2073 01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:41.920 I got this one. And they remain friends they departed. 2074 01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:44.720 He says it's okay, I'll get the next one, meaning 2075 01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:46.199 like I do plan to see you again? 2076 01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:49.880 Yes, And I think I think I think Sam wants 2077 01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:51.000 to see him again too. 2078 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:53.119 Yeah, even if for like a bite to eat in 2079 01:42:53.159 --> 01:42:56.600 a cafe again like this or something. Not a job now, absolutely, but. 2080 01:42:56.760 --> 01:43:01.399 Just yeah, absolutely. And we also see that Girdra is 2081 01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:03.720 doing what Sam did at the beginning of the film, 2082 01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:07.239 is she's observing everything that's going on and she I 2083 01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:10.520 think she wants to make contact with Sam again, but 2084 01:43:10.640 --> 01:43:15.000 she's also very hesitant in doing so. And after they 2085 01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:18.119 leave and she's just kind of watching. And that's where 2086 01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:22.680 we get the Vincent's little monologue there at the end, 2087 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:26.880 talking about the credo essentially, of what a spy is 2088 01:43:27.159 --> 01:43:28.800 and like what they have to live by. 2089 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:33.359 Do you think it makes contact after like we going dark? 2090 01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:36.800 Well, that's so there was a lot of there was 2091 01:43:36.840 --> 01:43:41.560 actually several different ideas that the director was thinking, and 2092 01:43:42.279 --> 01:43:45.640 this is what they chose, and so I based off 2093 01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:49.359 of what they chose, I think that she does not 2094 01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:53.119 make contact with him again, but there is this there's 2095 01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:56.800 this attraction and a longing to be to connect with 2096 01:43:56.840 --> 01:44:01.039 Sam again. Maybe somewhere down the line they do, but 2097 01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:03.840 that is we just don't know that. It leaves it 2098 01:44:03.880 --> 01:44:05.920 with like a little bit of an ambiguous ending there. 2099 01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:09.119 Yeah, I feel like this is the uh, there could 2100 01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:12.520 be a sequel if we get the money, Like yeah, you. 2101 01:44:14.439 --> 01:44:16.720 So, I know. I actually don't think that that's what 2102 01:44:16.720 --> 01:44:19.720 they were going for because there there was so there's 2103 01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:20.720 a couple of different. 2104 01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:22.720 Alternations showing everybody scattering in the wind in a way 2105 01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:25.199 because much like spy movies, that's what happens. People go there. 2106 01:44:25.439 --> 01:44:29.159 Yeah, it feels a little bit more like Ocean's eleven 2107 01:44:29.239 --> 01:44:31.439 at the end, like where everyone just kind of goes 2108 01:44:31.479 --> 01:44:37.119 their own way. And although obviously that did have sequels, yes, 2109 01:44:37.399 --> 01:44:41.279 but it that intention then it doesn't lead. 2110 01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:45.520 It doesn't lean entirely on like a romantic side. It's like, yes, 2111 01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:47.800 this could have happened, but they're not gonna be because 2112 01:44:47.800 --> 01:44:48.279 they can't be. 2113 01:44:49.119 --> 01:44:51.800 Lesser film would have had them reconnect and like they 2114 01:44:52.199 --> 01:44:56.479 drive off into the sunset together. That's not what's gonna happen. Yeah, 2115 01:44:56.479 --> 01:44:59.199 but that's that's our film. A little bit of post 2116 01:44:59.239 --> 01:45:04.199 production after filming was complete with the main scenes, Frankenheimer 2117 01:45:04.279 --> 01:45:08.520 and cinematographer Robert Frazy filmed all the wide shots of 2118 01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:11.840 the action scenes with some three hundred sun drivers, including 2119 01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:16.800 former F one driver Jean Pierre Jacques Jareer. Normally, this 2120 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:20.199 would be done with what's called a second unit, which 2121 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:22.199 is a group that will have a director that answers 2122 01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:26.039 to the main director and captures specialized footage like white 2123 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:29.399 shots or action scenes that don't necessarily involve the main cast. 2124 01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:36.119 But for this film, either due to the budgets or 2125 01:45:36.199 --> 01:45:39.560 to maintain a certain standard, they chose not to have 2126 01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:44.159 a second unit, so it was done by our main 2127 01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:48.439 cinematographer and the director, our main director. There was an 2128 01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:51.600 alternate ending filmed in which Deirdre is kidnapped and killed 2129 01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:56.439 by the IRA members that felt she betrayed them after 2130 01:45:56.520 --> 01:46:00.920 Sam and Vincent left the cafe, but tests audience hated 2131 01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:03.920 it so much we were giving the ending that we got. 2132 01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:08.239 The film debuted at the Venice Film Festival on September twelfth, 2133 01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:11.439 nineteen ninety eight, and gained a wide release on September 2134 01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:14.920 twenty fifth, nineteen ninety eight, and for many critics, it 2135 01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:19.239 was considered a return to form for John Frankenheimer. Well 2136 01:46:19.319 --> 01:46:22.000 received well critically, it did not perform well in the 2137 01:46:22.039 --> 01:46:24.920 box office, making only seventy million dollars off of a 2138 01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:28.199 fifty five million dollar budget. Films usually need to make 2139 01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:30.159 two or three times their budget to be considered a 2140 01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:36.600 financial success, and it garnered no major award nominations. But 2141 01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:39.000 just before I give my final thoughts on the film, 2142 01:46:39.159 --> 01:46:39.520 how do. 2143 01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:42.439 You not nominate like just that the chase sequences. 2144 01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:46.319 No, there's not really a category for that. I don't 2145 01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:50.119 even think there's a category as far as Yeah, there's 2146 01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:54.319 not really an Oscar award thing now they are working 2147 01:46:54.319 --> 01:46:57.760 on that now. I think there will be a stunt 2148 01:46:57.960 --> 01:47:01.199 awards coming out as far as like for an Oscar, 2149 01:47:01.319 --> 01:47:03.640 like best Stunt or Best Stunt Work. 2150 01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:07.319 Long ago, A long. 2151 01:47:07.119 --> 01:47:09.920 Ass time ago, even going back to like the like 2152 01:47:10.039 --> 01:47:12.600 at the beginning of the sixties because there was being waited. 2153 01:47:13.640 --> 01:47:16.359 Even going back to like the late twenty the twenties 2154 01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:19.680 and thirties, there was a lot of stunt work exactly 2155 01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:22.359 there should there should have always been this category. But 2156 01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:25.920 we're finally getting to the point where they are recognizing that. 2157 01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:29.920 We remember silent, We're meant to believe that that stunt 2158 01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:31.760 was done by the octor, you know what I mean? 2159 01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:35.319 And in some cases, yes it is. But like as 2160 01:47:35.359 --> 01:47:38.000 far as like actually best stunt work, I think that 2161 01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:40.399 is going to be a category here coming up very soon. 2162 01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:44.239 It's just not the reality. But there is great stunt 2163 01:47:44.239 --> 01:47:47.960 work that was done here. But as far as our 2164 01:47:48.039 --> 01:47:51.720 rating system goes, we have at the top instant classic, 2165 01:47:52.239 --> 01:47:55.199 buy it, rent it, just watch the trailer, or never 2166 01:47:55.279 --> 01:48:00.159 ever watch a ship. And my final thoughts on brown In. 2167 01:48:01.479 --> 01:48:03.880 As a young man, this was a regular watch for me, 2168 01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:07.000 but I'm surprised to find that this isn't a film 2169 01:48:07.039 --> 01:48:09.760 that's talked about much or that a lot of people 2170 01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:13.199 don't really know about. To me, this is a great 2171 01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:16.399 mixture of new school and old school, combining fast paced 2172 01:48:16.479 --> 01:48:20.840 nineties action with the slow burn of neo noor aesthetics. Well, 2173 01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:23.760 I enjoy the disparity in pacing. I can see where 2174 01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:27.640 that could be a detriment for some. The ensemble cast 2175 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:30.399 is perfect for me, with a good mixture of great 2176 01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:35.720 established actors, great character actors, and some relative newcomers. The 2177 01:48:35.760 --> 01:48:38.880 Sam Ambisson relationship is enjoyable to me, and I would 2178 01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:42.039 love to see them on more adventures together. As we 2179 01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:46.319 talked about, the car chase is incredible, deserves to be 2180 01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:49.319 in the same conversation as the Chase and Bullet, or 2181 01:48:49.359 --> 01:48:52.399 the French Connection and any of the other great car 2182 01:48:52.520 --> 01:48:56.239 chases in cinema. Another spy film in which we have 2183 01:48:56.279 --> 01:48:59.399 a mcguffin which ultimately we never see what it is, 2184 01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:03.239 and you know, all the things we talked about, like 2185 01:49:03.279 --> 01:49:07.560 this film just this also is reminiscent of Copland, This 2186 01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:11.399 great ensemble cast that is just goes way under the 2187 01:49:11.479 --> 01:49:15.359 radar that not a lot of people talked about. And 2188 01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:18.239 I think it's like a little bit of like what 2189 01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:20.600 we talked about, maybe some of the pacing issues or 2190 01:49:21.399 --> 01:49:24.239 characters that maybe should be merged, and it just it 2191 01:49:24.279 --> 01:49:29.680 doesn't fully work. And not that it's not a good film. 2192 01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:32.359 It's a great film, but maybe it's just like these 2193 01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:36.119 little things that pile up into something that where it 2194 01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:38.640 just does not get recognized as the great film that 2195 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:42.680 it is. And so with that, my rating is a 2196 01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:47.760 by it slash instant classic. Mister Matt, it's your first 2197 01:49:47.760 --> 01:49:51.359 time watching this, what are your final thoughts on Ronan? 2198 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:56.399 I agree with you the parts that definitely stick out 2199 01:49:56.720 --> 01:50:00.000 is the car chase scenes. But I also I really 2200 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:04.920 we enjoyed the gunfights. I felt like the gunfights weren't stylized. 2201 01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:07.680 They felt real and gritty and stuck with me after 2202 01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:12.199 I watched it. The beginning was rough. I think it 2203 01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:16.000 felt clunky. I know we're supposed to be made to 2204 01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:20.880 feel frustrated for saying like Sam's supposed to be frustrated, 2205 01:50:21.319 --> 01:50:24.760 so we feel frustrated too, and like I get it, 2206 01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:29.279 but like that's just not an enjoyable experience. But like 2207 01:50:29.399 --> 01:50:33.119 after after the they get to the hotel and start 2208 01:50:33.199 --> 01:50:36.159 casing the hotel and get ready for the actual heist, 2209 01:50:36.520 --> 01:50:39.159 I think the movie really takes a turn. I hope 2210 01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:42.840 people watching it for the first time let their self 2211 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:46.720 get through that beginning. The pacing is a little off. 2212 01:50:47.359 --> 01:50:49.399 I feel like we're either dialed up till eleven or 2213 01:50:49.439 --> 01:50:53.600 dialed down to two. That's like there's no real medium. 2214 01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:57.079 I did enjoy the scenery, Like, I don't think this 2215 01:50:57.319 --> 01:51:00.960 movie would have been as good if it wasn't in Europe. 2216 01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:04.439 If like, if this had been in an American city, 2217 01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:07.399 I think it would have felt totally different and not 2218 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:14.239 to the movies benefit. Well. Also, the the acting. I 2219 01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:20.359 enjoy Sam, I enjoy hanging out with Sam, I enjoy Dedrah. 2220 01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:24.399 I think they're The love story, though, was a bit forced. 2221 01:51:24.840 --> 01:51:27.760 I would have liked it. I find let them make 2222 01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:30.119 out or whatever, But like at the at the end, 2223 01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:32.640 like I think they're trying to project that he has 2224 01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:34.680 fallen in love with her, and I think it should 2225 01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:37.600 have been more like he has a deep friendship with her, 2226 01:51:38.159 --> 01:51:40.720 just like everyone else in the group, and that you 2227 01:51:40.840 --> 01:51:42.560 might be able to read it that way. I just 2228 01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:44.560 feel like that's not the way they wanted us to 2229 01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:47.560 read it. But that being said, I'm really glad I 2230 01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:50.119 watched this. I probably will watch this again. 2231 01:51:50.720 --> 01:51:51.119 I will. 2232 01:51:51.159 --> 01:51:53.680 I'm going to give this a rented slash by it. 2233 01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:56.920 And if if any of your friends like action movies 2234 01:51:56.920 --> 01:51:58.960 and they haven't heard of this movie, let them know 2235 01:51:59.039 --> 01:52:02.760 about it, Hydro Bird, what's you're writing for this movie? 2236 01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:03.560 Yeah? 2237 01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:08.199 My my review is pretty similar to you guys. Uh 2238 01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:11.399 you know, I just I think the stunt work and 2239 01:52:11.479 --> 01:52:15.479 driving sequences are just jaw dropping. They still hold up. Now, 2240 01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:16.720 I was worried that they won and I was like, 2241 01:52:16.720 --> 01:52:18.760 well do they still hold up? And I do think 2242 01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:20.800 that they kind of hold them. They propped the movie 2243 01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:23.520 up a little bit, like, but there's still movie here. 2244 01:52:23.560 --> 01:52:27.159 There's plot, there's good acting, there's a good cast, good characters. 2245 01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:31.680 Characters aren't necessarily like deep, but there's something there they're like. 2246 01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:34.119 They not to say that they're not deeper. There's you 2247 01:52:34.159 --> 01:52:36.319 don't get a lot, but there maybe there's a deepness. 2248 01:52:36.319 --> 01:52:38.840 But we only scratch the surface with some of them, unfortunately, 2249 01:52:39.359 --> 01:52:41.640 but they are acted well. Like Larry, I still feel 2250 01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:43.760 like Larry has a life outside this movie, and he 2251 01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:46.640 has wants and needs and likes. He just doesn't express 2252 01:52:46.680 --> 01:52:48.520 them all through words, but we get to see them. 2253 01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:50.880 He likes to smoke, he goes out shopping, he's gotta 2254 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:54.720 taste for cars, driving food. We get little bits of 2255 01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:57.279 things with people that like, you know, whiskey or like 2256 01:52:57.359 --> 01:53:00.520 stuff like that, cigarettes, little bits of character. There's a 2257 01:53:00.560 --> 01:53:04.640 lot of showing not telling in this cinematography I think 2258 01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:06.880 is amazing and it showcases France. I thought in a 2259 01:53:06.920 --> 01:53:10.319 good way too. It's not your, you know, everyday France locations. 2260 01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:14.520 It's not the touristy stuff. I like these bits where 2261 01:53:14.560 --> 01:53:16.359 like the cars go off road in a moment where 2262 01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:17.840 you're just like, oh shit, we're going off road and 2263 01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:19.520 we're cutting through the woods and I forget like I'm 2264 01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:22.279 even in France. I'm just like, wore this. This looks cool, 2265 01:53:22.319 --> 01:53:24.199 Like where's this wyoming? You know, like you know, I 2266 01:53:24.199 --> 01:53:26.760 don't even know. It's just a cool I like the 2267 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:31.520 setting and the sets. They all feel real, you know, 2268 01:53:31.560 --> 01:53:34.239 it's all on location. None of it felt like Hollywood 2269 01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:37.600 set design. It all just felt like real areas that 2270 01:53:37.680 --> 01:53:41.800 they filmed, and I appreciate that. It lends an authenticity 2271 01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:43.880 to this film where you feel like you're watching a 2272 01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:48.039 real like like spy heist movie, like this is just 2273 01:53:48.079 --> 01:53:51.039 taking place where a fly on the wall, if you will. 2274 01:53:51.479 --> 01:53:54.840 I really like the plot and like be intrigued that 2275 01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:57.680 builds with it, the double crosses and the swerves and 2276 01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:00.520 the plot. Some of it's extra, but for the most part. 2277 01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:02.920 I mean, that's what we're here for. It's it's gonna 2278 01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:06.159 be like this kind of tight woven story that's gonna 2279 01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:08.399 zig and zag a little bit and keep us on 2280 01:54:08.479 --> 01:54:11.920 our toes. As well as the characters in it. I 2281 01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:14.279 did like this sort of like spy thriller asque heisk 2282 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:19.159 milange if you will. I think him paying homage to 2283 01:54:19.279 --> 01:54:22.039 several genres and films that inspire him, or that he 2284 01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:24.880 likes doing his own version of I think it's cool. 2285 01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:27.279 I like that this movie kind of weighs a little 2286 01:54:27.279 --> 01:54:29.199 bit out on his sleeve in a way, but it's 2287 01:54:29.199 --> 01:54:32.680 its own thing. Uh I. And I said I'd like 2288 01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:35.479 the characters, like we don't get a lot of them, 2289 01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:39.279 but I like them. I like Deirdre, I like Larry, 2290 01:54:39.359 --> 01:54:44.159 I really like Vincent, and Sam's a likable guy, and 2291 01:54:44.279 --> 01:54:46.840 even like the little bits in between, like his his 2292 01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:50.920 guy that he goes to and Seamus. These other characters 2293 01:54:50.960 --> 01:54:54.000 are Russians. There's not much going on there, but for 2294 01:54:54.039 --> 01:54:59.119 the most part though, it's all fleshed out. I I 2295 01:54:59.159 --> 01:55:01.520 do like the beginning, but I do have issues with 2296 01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:04.560 the pace as well. Matt. I think there are moments 2297 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:06.920 where we just dip we get some really high end 2298 01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:09.479 action scenes and then we get moments of a little 2299 01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:12.760 bit of drag or redundancy here and there. Maybe that 2300 01:55:12.840 --> 01:55:15.600 blowed the film just a little bit. It could just 2301 01:55:15.640 --> 01:55:17.600 be a little tight. This movie could have been dialed 2302 01:55:17.640 --> 01:55:20.720 in a little bit on some certain things, and I 2303 01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:23.479 think it could have been talked about more and held 2304 01:55:23.560 --> 01:55:27.239 up higher. I like, I wish we got a little 2305 01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:31.039 bit more from the cast, like especially Larry, he's just 2306 01:55:31.119 --> 01:55:34.039 very quiet. It's a little long, like I said, and 2307 01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:37.239 you know, drags here and there. It's a little anti 2308 01:55:37.279 --> 01:55:41.119 climactic towards the end, like the whole showdown at the 2309 01:55:41.720 --> 01:55:45.279 at the skating rink just felt a little extra. And 2310 01:55:45.319 --> 01:55:48.039 then it's all kind of tied up very neatly in 2311 01:55:48.079 --> 01:55:51.560 a way like yeah, not everybody's like gonna have the 2312 01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:54.600 happiest ending, Like yeah, we can't be friends all the time, 2313 01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:57.079 and you know my love interest is but she's still 2314 01:55:57.079 --> 01:55:59.000 out there, she's still living her life, you know what 2315 01:55:59.039 --> 01:56:00.920 I mean, Like, yeah, you're nothing together, but and you 2316 01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:02.479 got the bad guy at the end of the day, 2317 01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:04.960 and he got the case. So I don't know, I 2318 01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:07.439 think it played a little safe there on the end, 2319 01:56:09.039 --> 01:56:11.720 and it's missing something that I just can't put my 2320 01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:14.079 finger on, but that would make it an instant classic, 2321 01:56:14.239 --> 01:56:16.760 you know what I mean. There's just something missing. That's 2322 01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:19.359 the reason maybe why other people don't pass this movie 2323 01:56:19.359 --> 01:56:21.000 around as much. But that's what we do here at 2324 01:56:21.039 --> 01:56:22.039 the Cine of Me Goes. And I think this is 2325 01:56:22.039 --> 01:56:24.800 a perfect film for us, because it is a really 2326 01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:26.600 good movie that you should check out. And I do 2327 01:56:26.640 --> 01:56:29.840 think it's one of the last really great fucking DeNiro rolls. 2328 01:56:29.880 --> 01:56:32.039 If you want to see him like kicking ass and 2329 01:56:32.079 --> 01:56:35.399 doing like leading man type shit, yeah, this is it. 2330 01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:38.399 And this is outside a little bit outside his wheelhouse too, 2331 01:56:38.479 --> 01:56:41.079 And I thought he showed some different range here that 2332 01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:43.880 I appreciate. He still brought the stuff we know him for, 2333 01:56:43.960 --> 01:56:47.600 the witty comebacks and you know, the assertiveness and the confidence. 2334 01:56:47.640 --> 01:56:51.319 But I thought it was cool to see DeNiro's in France. 2335 01:56:51.479 --> 01:56:54.159 You know, I don't know. But with all that said, 2336 01:56:55.720 --> 01:56:57.279 I'm going to give Ronan. I'm going to give it 2337 01:56:57.319 --> 01:57:01.319 a buy. From nineteen ninety eight, Ronan alould buy. I 2338 01:57:01.319 --> 01:57:05.319 think this is worth owning. And yeah, I think it's 2339 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:06.239 definitely worth owning. 2340 01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:11.840 That's awesome, all right, everyone's pretty high on it, all right, Berg, 2341 01:57:12.760 --> 01:57:15.079 next week is your pick? What are we doing? 2342 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:18.640 It's my pick and we're keeping it Japanese themed with 2343 01:57:18.840 --> 01:57:23.000 nineteen ninety three's Rising Sun based on the Michael Brighton book. 2344 01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:26.680 Oh, it will be our second film the base off 2345 01:57:26.720 --> 01:57:27.800 of Michael Freton novel. 2346 01:57:28.279 --> 01:57:31.840 Yeah. What was the first thirteen thirteenth word? That's right, 2347 01:57:31.840 --> 01:57:33.479 I forget about that one. Eaters of the Dead is 2348 01:57:33.479 --> 01:57:34.119 the name of the book. 2349 01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:36.119 That's correct. Yeah, it's really good. 2350 01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:38.359 It's a good movie. Have you seen the movie. 2351 01:57:38.720 --> 01:57:42.039 I'm really excited for the movie next week. I've heard 2352 01:57:42.079 --> 01:57:42.680 good things. 2353 01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:45.600 It's from my. 2354 01:57:47.439 --> 01:57:49.520 Sean Connery's last great movie. 2355 01:57:49.960 --> 01:57:53.800 So then it has other themes like with this movie, 2356 01:57:53.800 --> 01:57:57.720 then we can connect it. Cool. Yeah, so that'll be 2357 01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:00.520 our pick for next week. It's a Rise Thin Sun 2358 01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:04.680 from nineteen ninety three. It's starring Wesley Snipes and Sean Conrie. 2359 01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:08.199 If you're looking, we've got a lot of returning champions. 2360 01:58:07.680 --> 01:58:08.520 Yeah, we got several. 2361 01:58:08.880 --> 01:58:11.880 All right, all right, Well, we all have other projects 2362 01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:15.159 around here, myself included. You can find me on YouTube 2363 01:58:15.159 --> 01:58:17.720 Circle of Drinks podcasts. Me and my co host Andy 2364 01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:23.600 We talked about all sorts of different things, movies, news, topics, philosophy, 2365 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:27.000 What name you? And you can find us on Instagram, 2366 01:58:27.039 --> 01:58:32.399 Circle of Drinks podcasts and on x app podcast cj BG. 2367 01:58:32.439 --> 01:58:34.239 You do some fun stuff. What do you do? 2368 01:58:34.680 --> 01:58:37.199 I do? I do another show called The Cut Above 2369 01:58:37.239 --> 01:58:40.439 Horror Review, where we rate and review horror movies each week. 2370 01:58:40.600 --> 01:58:44.600 John Jacquelin and myself. We have a great time. Sometimes 2371 01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:47.760 Rob Zombie joins us. You know, we have guests. It's fun. 2372 01:58:48.439 --> 01:58:50.000 If you like horror movies. I just want to hear 2373 01:58:50.039 --> 01:58:53.319 people talk about films. Check us out on all the podcasters. 2374 01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:55.640 You can find us on socials, on Instagram at a 2375 01:58:55.640 --> 01:58:59.560 cut above one word, dot r Underscore Review, on x 2376 01:58:59.600 --> 01:59:02.479 at a Horror and on Facebook at a Cut Above 2377 01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:05.439 Horror Review. What about you, Matt? You have a side 2378 01:59:05.520 --> 01:59:07.000 quest that you do here and there? Right? 2379 01:59:07.399 --> 01:59:12.600 Yeah, So, I own and manage a historical fencing school 2380 01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:18.479 in Jacksonville, Florida. We focus on historical European martial arts. 2381 01:59:18.600 --> 01:59:22.920 We do rapier, long longsword and army sword and buckler. 2382 01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:26.760 So if you're in the northeast Florida area, you should 2383 01:59:26.800 --> 01:59:31.319 swing by. Also, we have we have a podcast talking 2384 01:59:31.319 --> 01:59:35.640 about historical fencing. Our backlog is still up it's called 2385 01:59:35.680 --> 01:59:37.680 Swords and Stereo. So if you want to learn about 2386 01:59:37.760 --> 01:59:39.640 historical fencing, go check it out. 2387 01:59:39.760 --> 01:59:42.720 And berg if they want to watch more cinemigos or 2388 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:45.279 listen to more cinemigos, where where can they find us? 2389 01:59:45.880 --> 01:59:50.000 You can find us on Instagram at Cinemigo's Underscore podcast, 2390 01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:52.920 or you can send us an email at the Cinamigos 2391 01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:54.920 podcast at gmail dot com. 2392 01:59:55.159 --> 01:59:58.319 You can also reach us on x at Tres Cinnemigos 2393 01:59:58.439 --> 02:00:01.199 t R E S ce I E M I G 2394 02:00:01.319 --> 02:00:04.680 O S, or on our letterbox and amigos and make 2395 02:00:04.720 --> 02:00:07.159 sure to give us those five star reviews and leave 2396 02:00:07.199 --> 02:00:11.680 some comments on the episodes either on Spotify or speaker 2397 02:00:11.920 --> 02:00:13.920 or wherever you listen to your podcasts. 2398 02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:17.720 We're also on Facebook, on Facebook dot com, slash c 2399 02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:18.359 and amigos. 2400 02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:22.680 What were you doing back here, lady? I never walked 2401 02:00:22.680 --> 02:00:24.359 into a place I don't know how to walk out of. 2402 02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:26.920 Then why would you walk into that van? You know 2403 02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:27.439 the reason? 2404 02:00:36.439 --> 02:00:40.199 Hey, you badger, we ain't got no budges, we don't 2405 02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:42.479 need no vudges. I don't have to show you on 2406 02:00:42.600 --> 02:00:43.159 U stinking