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Speaker 1: This is Jonathan Pegel. Welcome to the symbolic world.

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Speaker 2: So several years ago I coined this frame, watched the Fool.

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And you know the purpose of saying that, I think

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I said that in twenty seventeen, maybe or maybe twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: And so when I started saying that, what I wanted

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people to be able to do is to watch the

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Fool in especially in a world that I was top

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to turby and upside down. Because this is a way

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that my brother my Tear frames it is that when

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the world is upside down, the fool is the one

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that in some ways can give you a sign of

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what is coming, can in some ways restore the world,

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you know, restore the world right side up.

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Speaker 1: Now, when you say.

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Speaker 2: Right side up, it doesn't mean it's not a question

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of morals.

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Speaker 1: It's a question of a return to order.

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Speaker 2: Right how, in some ways, the madness of the moment

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in the Fool is kind of joking and turning, and

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at the end he becomes a he becomes a victim

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of his own ploy, and then he kind of almost

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inadvertently restores things in the right side up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I started saying that.

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Speaker 2: A while ago at twenty nineteen when I saw that,

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I think it was twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen, when

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when our certain Kanye West put out an album called

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Jesus Is King.

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Speaker 1: I kind of could tell. And I've been telling people

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to watch this.

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Speaker 2: Particular person because he has a weird He's like a

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weird tuning forks, someone who catches is what is coming.

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He's a kind of inadvertent mystic. You could say he's

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able to. I don't think he does it on purpose,

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but he kind of is able to sense what is happening.

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Speaker 1: And sense what is coming in the future and.

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Speaker 2: Is manifesting it, usually in a rather contradictory way, but nonetheless,

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this is how his life seems to proceed. It doesn't

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seem to always be good for his own soul, but

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you know, if you watch him, you can kind of

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see what's coming. And so you know, in twenty eighteen,

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twenty nineteen, he put out this album in Jesus King,

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and he kind of converted to Christianity for a short time,

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I guess. And you could know by watching that to

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see that there was some things happening, and it kind

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of foretold or showed us that there would be a

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resurgence of Christianity, which happened during COVID and has been

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happening ever since. And so we've kind of seen the

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growth of the traditional churches, especially Orthodox Church and the

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Catholic Church. I think it's happening in kind of more

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traditional protesting churches as well. But you know, although you

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could say the general statistics is still of decline to

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participation in the church, there's a counter move which is

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that young people are coming back, and young people are

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coming into the church in droves.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: My church is bursting at the seams with new converts.

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This is happening all over America. And so he despite himself,

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was able to kind of perceive that in in his move.

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And so now he's gone in a whole other direction.

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For I think a year now, I don't follow him

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that closely anymore because it's a little scary. He has

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even more than a year now, he's kind of started

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to manifest a kind of Nazi fetish where he is

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bringing back all that imagery, bringing back to swastika and

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is you know, and is bringing back Nazi imagery. He's

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also is bringing back kind of a kk imagery. And

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this kind of weird imagery, but as usual, he's doing

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it in a absolutely contradictory way. In some ways, I

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keep thinking that Kanye West is four Chance final form,

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or maybe like Pepe's final form, because he is doing

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it and people can't see the contradiction, which is kind

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of funny in the same way that people couldn't see

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the contradiction in Pepe. They only see the side that

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they want to see. They only see the side that

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is kind of sailing to them, and they can't see

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that it's always proposed as a contradiction. His latest song,

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which I won't even say the words because.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's like you can look it up.

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Speaker 2: It's a song that that, let's say, calls up on.

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Speaker 1: A certain German chancellor. But the song in the song,

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the way the song.

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Speaker 2: Goes is that he uses a racial slur against black people,

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like calling black people to recognize the German chancellor. And

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so everybody is saying, don't you see that Hitler would

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have hated black people? And it's like, you don't understand,

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you don't understand the contradiction. You can't see that everything

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about this man manifested itself in a contradiction, and like

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I said, not to the benefit of his soul. It

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feels like he's being ripped apart. But if you watch,

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you can kind of see that this is happening, and

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it's happening in conjunction with a whole lot of other

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things that are showing us what is coming, that are

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showing us what is happening to us. And you know,

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I didn't really want to make this video, but it

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feels like things are becoming so confused.

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Speaker 1: Those people are so confused to watch.

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Speaker 2: What's going on that they are struggling to understand.

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Speaker 1: And so I guess we have to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: What is happening. So this has been going on for

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a little while in little doses.

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Speaker 2: But now things are kind of getting bigger and bigger,

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and it's inevitable.

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Speaker 1: You know, all.

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Speaker 2: Worlds are based on a kind of sacred origin. Every

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world has a kind of foundation and a foundation myth

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on which it is based. That foundation myth, what it

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does is it casts the light on the world, that

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kind of structure the world.

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Speaker 1: It gives you a frame.

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Speaker 2: Tell you who the good guys are, tell you who

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the bad guys are. You know, tells you what's important. Also,

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frame space right kind of stabilizes space.

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Speaker 1: For a while, you know.

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Speaker 2: And our world is based on World War two, And

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I think I don't have to explain that.

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Speaker 1: Everybody kind of knows.

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Speaker 2: Our geopolitical world is based on World War two. The

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way that we understand ourselves is based on World War Two.

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The hierarchy of values that we have is based on

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World War two.

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Speaker 1: All of this right.

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Speaker 2: World War two is a kind of foundation myth for

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our world today.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: It played an important role in kind of holding us together.

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It had its heroes, it had its its you could say,

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its principalities, and it had its enemies, it had its devils,

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and it held the world and created prosperity for quite

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a long time and it kind of stabilized things now.

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The thing about foundation myths, or you could say small

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foundation myths, is that there's always there's always a sin

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that's hidden in the foundation myth. There's always something, there's

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always something because the world, the small world that we

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participate in, these small stories that we participate in, they're

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not the full thing.

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Speaker 1: They're not the full world.

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Speaker 2: They are in order to be coherent, they can't be complete.

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And so because of that, they have to push things

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into the margins, and that to push things outside, you

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could say, so that they become blind spots, and they

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become kind of monsters hiding in the corners that we

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try to push back, we try to ignore, we try

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to fight, but we nonetheless have to do that.

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Speaker 1: And I want to be careful that.

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Speaker 2: You understand that this is inevitable, like this is something

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that all worlds do. There is no way around it.

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of World War two. And so World War two presents

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itself as a kind of victory of good over evil,

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as an establishing of a kind of world peace that

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is going to last. But it also has a kind

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of secret. And if you think about it, you know

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the secret. You know when you when you grew up,

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you were told we won World War two. We beat

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the bad guys. You know, it was a moment of

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victory of good over evil. And that's that, right, and

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it established it chrablished the world. It established the world

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moving towards democracy and moving towards a kind of you know,

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a global vision of peace and all of that. Right,

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it's in the wake of World War Two that we

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coined the end of history idea that that now history

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is over and that the tensions of history over. Of course,

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that's all impossible. There's we're not going to reach the

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end of history, at least not because.

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Speaker 1: Of World War two. And World War two in order.

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Speaker 2: To hold the stability of things together, had in it

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a kind of dark secret, right, And the dark secret

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is that who won World War two did the good

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guys win World War Two. The reality of the war

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is that we, in order to beat a very very

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bad person and a very very bad thing that was

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happening in Germany and that was spreading across the world

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and could have, let's say, brought the world into a

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form of tyranny, we had to ally ourselves with a tyrant,

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with a horrible person in order to do that. And

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then what we did is we handed half of Europe

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to that evil person. And the level of torture and

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of you know, people being imprisoned, whether it's in Romania

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or in the Gulag or you know, in all of

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these communist countries is horrible. The stories are absolutely horrible.

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we tend to hide that aspect of the story.

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Speaker 1: In order to establish order. And so I want to

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be careful. I want to I want to be careful.

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Speaker 2: And does not say that there's necessarily an it's necessarily

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of ill intent that we hide that, but it is

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almost necessary in order to establish a kind of order.

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And so you have a good guy and a bad guy,

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and you know, and for all intents and purposes, the

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bad guy is Hitler, and Hitler is a devil, like

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Hitler is the devil of our world. If those two

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words are interchangeable, you know, you you call if you

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want to say that someone is the worst thing in

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the world, that's what you do. You call them Hitler.

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That's how you characterize it. It's even worse than calling

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someone the devil. Actually calling someone Hitler is worse than

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calling them a devil. That's how much Hitler has become

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the devil for our current world. And you know, but

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there's an issue, right, It's that you could say it

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this way, is that this story, this myth, it has

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an expiration date. Right, It can hold the world together

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for a certain amount of time, but at some point

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it will stop holding the world together. Now, the question

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started at the end of World War Two, and there

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was there's no way for World War two to hold

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the narrative of the world together forever.

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Speaker 1: And you understand that, whether you whatever, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, whatever you think, like I hope, you can understand

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that it is impossible for that story to kind of

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be the narrative let's say the narrative underlying pattern of

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reality forever. And it is also impossible for Hitler to

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remain the devil of the world forever, because although he

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is a horrible evil person, you know, he cannot be

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he is not worse than the devil. He is much

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less worse than the devil, and he cannot play that

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role of being worse than the devil and being the

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devil forever. And so there was a time when that

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would expire. And so anybody who knows how stories function,

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and anybody who knows how stories kind of capture the

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worlds and run through them, you know, knew or knows

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that at some point will that structure is is going

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to come apart and some new structure or a new

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story will establish itself. I have intuited this a very

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long time ago, a very very long time ago, and

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I have said many times.

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Speaker 1: I might even have said it on a video. I've

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said it in private.

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World War two die, the memory, you could call it,

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the memory of that story will start to fade, and

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that will have major consequences on our world, because the

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story holding the world together is indistinguishable from memory. That is,

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if we remember the story, then that story has a

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hold on us. But as we if we forget the

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story or the reason for the story, you could say

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then at some point the story starts to break down.

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all over around us is the breakdown of the World

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Speaker 1: It's the breakdown of the whole that that story has

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upon us.

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Speaker 2: And it's something which it's not even a moral question, folks,

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we can see it kind of happening now, and it's

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happening in all kinds of guyses. It's happening at all

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these different levels. It's happening in terms of the way

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that we view ourselves. It's happening in the way that

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politics is playing out, you know, the geopolitical vision of

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the map even and how and what are the axes

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that are holding things together, What are the alliances that

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are holding the world together. All of these are shaking

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right now, and people are kind of playing through this breakdown.

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to save it, you know. But the problem is that

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in trying to save it, you can extend it for

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a little while, but there is a time in which

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it's going to fail you because the story of World War.

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Speaker 1: Two is not sufficient to hold the world together.

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Speaker 2: Because all sacred stories have taboos, they have sacred places,

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they have, you know, certain things that you're not allowed

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to touch, you know, because if you touch them, you

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make everything shake.

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Speaker 1: And that is what's happening now right the.

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Speaker 2: Entire the entire story of the whole Douglas Murray and

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Joe Rogan discussions the Darryl Cooper situation, the Tucker Carlston situation,

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the crisis King question. Everything is kind of shaking that story,

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you know. And one of the things that we notice,

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and it's important to notice it to kind of understand

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also why things are shaking the way they are is

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because because of the taboo of the end of the war,

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because it created a taboo, and it created a kind

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of secret. You could say that the secret. It's not

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a secret, but the deal that we made with Stalin

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in order to win World War two created a pattern,

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created a form that led the world. What do I

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mean by that, which is it means that you know

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my friend, you've heard my friend Jordan Peterson, I've heard

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him several times when you know, saying, why do communists

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get a pass in the West? Why is it that

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you know, the fascists and the Nazis are the devil

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and absolute evil, and you can't invoke any of their imagery.

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but if anyone is able to link anything you say

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through one, two, three, four steps, as many steps as

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you need it too fascism or to Nazi imagery, even

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if it's not directly, even if it's like this person

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met this person met this person. Therefore you can't this

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first person he talked about, you can't mention them because

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they knew someone who knew someone who knew someone who

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was a Nazi. It's like, why is it that strong

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and the Communis get a total pass? Why is it

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that the Communists their intellectuals filled the universities.

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Speaker 1: Why is it that, you know, even in.

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Speaker 2: Terms of imagery, think about the Trucker protest in Canada

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was a great example. You know, in the actual Trucker protest,

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someone came to the protest and brought a Nazi flag

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and the person it seems like the person was actually

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some kind of fed, was actually a policeman or some

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kind of infiltrator that was there to bring that flag

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into the protest so that the media could talk about

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it NonStop every day until the end of the protest.

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him to leave, you know, got angry with this person,

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and he finally had to leave because people around him

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were getting aggressive about him holding that flag.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: The simple touching, like the infection of being connected to

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that imagery was enough so that the main story that

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the media went with was saying, they're all Nazis, right.

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had Communist flags all around. They had literal Communist flags

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in the counter protest, even though the Communists killed way

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more people than the Nazis killed that the Gulag slaughtered

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more people that the Communists. Although whether it's if you

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join them all together, especially the Chinese, the Russians, the Vietnamese.

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Speaker 1: The the you know, the.

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Speaker 2: Cambodians, like all of the in Romania, in all the countries,

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if you bring it together, their level of sustained slaughter

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was much worse than the Nazis. Obviously, I'm not defending

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the not saying that the Nazis are not as bad

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or whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's not the point.

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Speaker 2: The point is to see that why is it that

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that side is completely available, but the other side, if

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you even touch, if you're even touched by.

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Speaker 1: Their imagery, you are completely destroyed. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And that's because of the secret. It's because the secret

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of World War Two. It's it's because we made a

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deal with Stalin in order to beat the Nazis. And

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because of that, there's a kind of taboo, and there's

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a pass for the for our for our allies, and

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it just happens. It's not it's not even anybody doing

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it on purpose. It just happens through natural narrative causes,

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you could say. And so we have this problem, right,

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and everybody has kind of experienced this problem.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, which is that identity itself? As the time

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went on, identity itself, whether it's gender identity in terms

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of normal gender identity, whether it's national identity, whether it's

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ethnic identity. Uh, any kind of tribal identity right is

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in danger of being called the Nazi like. That's that's

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how bad it was. And we've seen a kind of encroaching.

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will have seen this. One of the things that happened

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is that, for example, every image of the South of

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the United States is now equivalent to racism. And so

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no matter what it is, the Confederate flag, Confederate images,

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Confederate characters, you know all of these characters because they

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are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven steps removed

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from the from the sin of World War two, like

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the the idea of how in the end, what happened

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in World War two was an excess of tyranny and

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identity in the in the Germans, and we made a

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deal with the anti identity.

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Speaker 1: We meant it.

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Speaker 2: We made a deal with the with the communists that

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are kind of revolutionary identity.

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Speaker 1: We made a deal with them in order to beat

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the tyranny of identity.

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Speaker 2: Now everything that is associated with normal identity is associated

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with power. Anything that's associated with normal identity becomes associated

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with tyranny and ultimately can be associated with Nazi And

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so that's why there's this like slide and everybody's experienced that,

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and everybody is kind of seeing that.

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Speaker 1: Now that is not a balanced portrayal of reality. Right,

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that can't hold.

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Speaker 2: That cannot happen because what you end up with is

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a rainbow tyranny. Right, you end up with a kind

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of imposition of openness.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I think of Justin Trudeau that says openness is our

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only value. Right, we post national nations where we don't

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actually have a nation. We are just openness to the outside.

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And we need indefinite migration, and we need indefinite immigrants,

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you know, because our.

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Speaker 1: Identity is actually bad.

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Speaker 2: We actually want secretly, even knowingly orknowingly, we want to

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destroy identities. We want the whole world to just be

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a giant soup that doesn't have identity. Right, because of this,

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all of this, because of the myth of World War two,

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at first kind of holding the world together in a

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beautiful way, but then ultimately that story running its course,

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and you could say the side effects of the story, right,

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the negative aspects of the story started to play themselves

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out more and more and more and more and more

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and more. Now we end up in this problem. And

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now what we're going to see and we're going to

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see the breakdown of those taboos and the breakdown of

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those myths. And it's going to happen in all kinds

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of ways that are going to seem contradictory at the outset,

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But if you pay attention, you'll notice that that is

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what is going to happen NonStop, and so and even

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people who will hate each other will end up playing

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out the breakdown of the World War two consensus. Here's

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a simple example, you know, a simple example to show

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you how it's not as simple as you think. So, right,

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Donald Trump is elected president. He decides that all of

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these national identities, all these kind of borders that exist,

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that they don't seem to matter to him, like he

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just wants to seems to think that he can redefine them. However,

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he wants and has this kind of populist, you know,

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stance and so and he's being accused, of course, of

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being a Nazi. Obviously that's how you do it. You know,

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he's the devil. If he's bad, he's the devil. If

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he's the devil, then it's better to say he's the Nazi,

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to say that he's Hitler, rather than say that he

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is the devil. But that's playing out in a way

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that people don't expect, which is that in the actions

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that he's doing, and in saying to Canada, well, if

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you're a post national nation and you don't have an identity,

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why are you opposed to just joining us? Like, why

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are you opposed to just being taken over? Because you

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keep saying that you don't have an identity. You've been

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saying that for ten years, and so let's just take

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you in. I mean, you don't care, right, You're just

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about openness. And then the Canadians react and they're like, no,

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our nation. We are proud Canadians, we are proud nationalists.

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And it's like, oh, my goodness, can you see what's happening?

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Can you see that it's all playing out that no

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matter what you do, that the breakdown is playing out.

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And so it's just important to kind of notice that.

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And so you know, and this is of course what

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mister West is manifesting in his own confusion, in the

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own kind of breakdown of his of his world, and

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in some ways, in his desire to transgress every single

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boundary and try and dress every single taboo in his

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kind of clown contradiction, he is grasping to reassimilate the

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imagery of the of the.

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Speaker 1: Of the World War two taboo.

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Speaker 2: And it's happening in all kinds of chaotic ways, like

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it's not just him, it's happening all over the place,

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and it's and it's it is in some ways an

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extremely dangerous, dangerous time because if we're not careful, obviously,

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you know, we're become you could say, we become Satanists

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to our little story.

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Speaker 1: That is that.

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Speaker 2: We we naively embrace the opposite of the narrative and

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we think, oh no, and you see it happening, right,

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you see all these morons that they're like, it's actually

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the Nazis that were right and there everything about them

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was right, and everything about what they were doing was right.

480
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,759
Speaker 1: And it's like it's like, oh my.

481
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,559
Speaker 2: Goodness, it's sohedeous and embarrassing, which is why I don't

482
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,359
like to talk about it, you know. But that's the

483
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,079
danger of what's coming is that is that there has

484
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,880
to be a way to reintegrate this story in a

485
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,640
manner that won't let all the demons out of hell,

486
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,640
that won't let all the demons that are resentful and

487
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:20,119
angry that have come to realize because they have no

488
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:24,039
place in the current story, that the anti story is

489
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:27,480
actually the completely right one, that the anti version of

490
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:30,799
the story is the right one. They're for all intents

491
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:34,119
and purposes, they're like, let's say World War two metal

492
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:36,920
heads right, world War two Satanists in that sense where

493
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,440
it's like the upside down story is the right one,

494
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,960
but that is not the right way to go. There

495
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,839
has to be a kind of reintegration so that we

496
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,680
can come back to a type of synthesis. Now I

497
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,079
don't know how that reintegration happens. I don't know the

498
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:55,119
way to do it. I don't think it's also my

499
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:58,519
job to do that, but I'm just warning everyone that

500
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,680
it is going to happen, and what I hope is

501
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,480
that it happens in the least insane way, in a

502
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:10,720
way that doesn't provoke just an anti story, which is

503
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:16,680
something that is that is definitely possible, because there are

504
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,880
some things like a little example like this is actually

505
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,160
one of the best examples to kind of understand how

506
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:27,200
at some point the story has the myth has to

507
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:32,240
kind of be reintegrated more completely into a bigger story,

508
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,039
which is a good example of the swastika. It's like,

509
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,519
the swastika is the most ancient image. It's the most

510
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,079
universal image, one of the most universal images that exists.

511
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,680
It is found in every single culture. It is found.

512
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:49,720
It is one of the oldest images. You find it

513
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:54,160
in all over the world in thousands and thousands of

514
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,119
years ago, you know, four thousand, five thousand years before

515
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:00,920
before Christ.

516
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: It's everywhere, you know.

517
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:05,519
Speaker 2: You can find it in India, in South America, you

518
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,839
can find it in you can find it in uh

519
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,720
in European churches.

520
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,359
Speaker 1: You find it everywhere, you know.

521
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: And so so the Nazis capture this image, right, and

522
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,039
they use it for their diabolical purpose, you know. But

523
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:25,720
then what happens is because they use it for their diabolical.

524
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:28,119
Speaker 1: Purposes, then it's it's captured.

525
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,559
Speaker 2: And so now this is a scary image for how

526
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:38,880
long forever? Like forever, this image that is the mo

527
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,640
one of the most powerful images in the world, is

528
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,720
captured by by these these these devils. That is not possible,

529
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,119
you know, Just that image at some point has to

530
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,640
break out because it's bigger than the Nazis, and it's

531
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,440
bigger than them, and and and the swaska is kind

532
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,119
of like a little example of how things get this

533
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:07,279
problem of like capture and infection. You know, the idea

534
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:11,359
that everything how can I say this, like the idea

535
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,599
that something if it's tainted, you know, with the Nazis

536
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,079
is now were boating forever and you saw that happening,

537
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,519
like all over all of a sudden, it's like you

538
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,160
can't say this, you can't do this, all these things

539
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,440
you can't do. And if you remember, like all the

540
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,039
four chan trolls were playing jokes on this narrative, like

541
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,759
they were doing that in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and

542
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,119
they would you know, if you followed that, it was

543
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,319
kind of funny. They started saying, just to just to

544
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,200
provoke people, that the okay sign, like this sign that

545
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:40,920
Trump was doing, he was always kind of doing this

546
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,920
okay sign, that that meant white supremacy. Then immediately when

547
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,920
they said that, the left said, now you can't do

548
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,640
the okay sign anymore because it's white supremacy. And then

549
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,599
they started saying that drinking milk was like white supremacist.

550
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,079
And so then the left started saying you can't use

551
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,960
milk anymore, like drinking milk is racist, you know, and

552
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,720
it's like they were kind of playing with this problem,

553
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,319
which is that, you know, this weird capture of the

554
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:06,599
story that has had become a kind of parody, and

555
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,880
that's the issue. I remember watching a video when I

556
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,559
was a teenager.

557
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,599
Speaker 1: It really struck me.

558
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,839
Speaker 2: There was a kind of more conservative writer in France

559
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,720
that was writing, was writing I'd created like a conservative group,

560
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,079
and he was using the image of a kind of

561
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,599
Germanic image of a night on a horse that had

562
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,440
been developed in the Middle Ages, you know, And then

563
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,240
their critics what did they say, Well, they said Germanic

564
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:32,160
night on a horse.

565
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:33,759
Speaker 3: Huh.

566
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,359
Speaker 2: You know that some Nazi at some time point in

567
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,680
the World War two use that image or use an

568
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:46,720
image that looks like it, and so are.

569
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: You a Nazi? You know, because you're using that image.

570
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: And it's like the guy was like, what, this is

571
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,640
a medieval image, and it's like it doesn't.

572
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: Matter, it doesn't matter. You can't use it. And so

573
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:55,200
that's not possible.

574
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: You can't hold the world prisoner forever, and you can't

575
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,359
hold European identity prisoner forever, and you can't hold the

576
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,559
swastika prisoner forever. Like it just some point has to

577
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,280
be reintegrated, and the question is how do we do it?

578
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:12,000
What is the best way to do it? You know,

579
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,360
I have some ideas about that. I don't know. It's

580
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,360
a very like I said, it is nonetheless a very

581
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,400
dangerous time, and so I would say, be very careful.

582
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,440
Please don't take this in as a kind of Please

583
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,679
if you're watching this and you have a temptation for

584
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,920
the anti story in you, please understand that the anti

585
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,639
story is.

586
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: Not the way to go.

587
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: Which we need is a proper kind of integration so

588
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,760
that we can elevate this into a new, more powerful

589
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:47,920
and more encompassing story.

590
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,199
Speaker 3: You know.

591
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: And it's happened before, you know. It's like.

592
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: The generals in the and the wars in the past,

593
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,800
some of the things that happen.

594
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: If you take Alexander the Great.

595
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: You know, Alexander the Great is a horrible, horrible man,

596
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:09,000
you know. He he the way that he destroyed those

597
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:12,880
that resisted him even a little, and just raised the

598
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,079
city to the ground and salted the earth and just

599
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:17,880
killed everybody, all the men, all the women, all the children.

600
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:21,639
Like he's a monster, you know, And we can still

601
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,159
say that, but he has been reintegrated into the story

602
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:32,119
in a way that recognizes, you know, the effect that

603
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,960
he had on the world, also seeing all the monstrosity

604
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,239
that he's done, and that in some ways, ultimately that

605
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,519
is what is going to have to happen to the

606
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:43,960
World War two story. It doesn't mean that it has

607
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,719
to happen fast. It can happen slowly. It can happen

608
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,280
over decades, can happen over generations. But there this is

609
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,880
the inevitable way in which it moves because if we

610
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,280
tried to hold on to the taboo forever, at some point,

611
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,719
that taboo, all the all the demons that it's held

612
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,800
at the bottom, like all of this repression that it's done,

613
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,599
and that repression is a repressed story. But it finds

614
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,239
body and those that are repressed. It finds body in

615
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,719
those that are marginalized and those that are held outside

616
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,239
of the narrative. And so it's not just a story.

617
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:22,280
It's embodied in people. So the angry, the resentful, those

618
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,320
that see that they have no stake in the story

619
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,599
are tempted and you can understand why to embody the

620
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,760
counter story to become Satanists for all intents and purposes,

621
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,800
for this little, this particular story and so we can't

622
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,920
let that, we can't let.

623
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: The satanic moment win, and so we have to find

624
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,119
a better, a better solution. So that's my little thought

625
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:50,639
on that. I hope it is useful.

626
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: These are very difficult subjects to talk about, but I

627
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,800
hope that I brought you a little further on this reflection,

628
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,400
and so wishing everybody all the best and talk to

629
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,000
you very soon.

630
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: Bye bye.

631
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,559
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632
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,280
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633
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,440
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634
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635
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636
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