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Speaker 1: Welcome back to everyone to a new episode. If you're

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We'd love to hear from you. Maddi. Let's start this

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week with a AOC appearance at the Munich Security Conference. Obviously,

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she was there to burnish her foreign policy credentials. I

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don't think she really has any yet, right, but I

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think it's fair to stay. She embarrassed herself pretty badly there.

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It was excruciating to watch the clips for me, even

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though I dislike her. I'm just it's hard for me

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to watch someone when they embarrass themselves in public for

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some reason, even if I dislike them. But in a

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normal society, in a normal world, in a healthy country,

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this would put the end. This would be the end

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of any kind of presidential aspiration for her. Don't you think.

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Speaker 2: You are a better person than I am to feel

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so badly for her because I just loved every minute

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of it. I like her attitude where she acts like

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she knows so much more than everybody else. She was

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mocking Marco Rubio. What was for? I mean, it was

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an amazing thing where she didn't seem to understand the

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relationship between the country of Spain and the country of

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Mexico her last name.

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Speaker 1: She didn't seem to know that horses were actually brought

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here by Spaniards or reintroduced here after ten thousand years,

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or whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure she understands why we call the Spanish

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language the Spanish language. She seems to not have a

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strong underst standing of the relationship between Spain and the

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New World. Her last name, as Sean Davis pointed out

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on Twitter, she is her last name is Cortes, and

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she does not know anything about Cortes and him bringing

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horses to America. She My favorite thing, though, was when

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she said that the Americans had seized the dictator of

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Venezuela solely because it was south of the equator. And

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I am not the world's best at geography myself, but

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there's not even a tiny bit of Venezuela below the equator.

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Like that's bad to not know your own near neighbors.

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Speaker 1: It's bad for someone who wants to be president. It's

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bad for someone who went to an elite conference of

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foreign policy minds who couldn't ask, you know, answer basic

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questions I had. I had other problems that made me angrier.

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One was that AOC repeated the blood libel that ISRAELA

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committed genocide in Munich, where the Nazi parties started, which

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is a mile a few miles away from Dakau. And

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she had no problem doing that. What was also interesting

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to me I read this story her adviser. His name

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is Matt Dusk. He's one of these unhinged America hating

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leftists on foreign policy used to be. I think Bernie

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Sanders is the main advisor on foreign policy that had

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been coaching her for four months to prepare for this

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conference so that she would not and she was nervous

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that they would nitpick her answers. Now you have to hear.

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I think we don't do clips on this show, but

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you have to, like listen, everyone gets tongue tied. I

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am you know, I'm not the greatest speaker on earth.

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But she could not coherently answer a question. It was

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likes and ums out the answers. And she's not a

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serious person. The only thing she knows less about it,

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I think is economics, probably. But the idea that she's

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going to be running for president scares me because I

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don't know that people won't vote for her. I just

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don't know that I think she you know, she fits

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in for you know, progressive politics actually fit in very

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well with where the Democratic Party is right now. I

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think the world would be in serious danger if she

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was president. I mean that I think would be. It

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would be an existential threat to world order if she

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became the president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: So yes, and no. I think that generally speaking, Democrats

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no longer elect people who have their own views. They

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elect people who they think can be elected, and then

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they run everything through the bureaucracy. So she's not strong

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enough to battle the bureaucracy. Almost no Republican is either,

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So not to downplay how much of a threat she

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might be, but I just think, you know, we had

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Biden for four years. It was pretty dangerous for the country,

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but he was not running a single thing, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're actually making a good case that the bureaucracy

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should exist in some sense where it is I'm not

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where it is a where it is a government. But

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when when when the president does make foreign policy decisions.

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tell him when they were her when they're wrong, or

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or explain things to them in a different way.

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Speaker 2: You don't think let me let me be clear. I

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actually think the harm to the country is in the blob,

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the foreign policy consensus. They have done bad work for

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a few decades. She would not be able to resist that,

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so in that sense she would be a problem. But

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I also want to just say something about the media

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coverage of her. Part of the problem with her in

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a to answer basic questions on foreign policy is that

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the media love her and so they never give her

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tough questions at all. And it can be something of

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a barrier to success when you are treated with kid gloves.

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We've seen that with Kamala Harris, even Hillary Clinton. You know,

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the moment they face any actual, real opposition, they struggle.

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like amazing person and was a disaster when anyone interacted

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with him. And my favorite example of this, though, happens

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after the Munich Security Conference. AOC realizes she is getting roasted.

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You know, she messed up her answer about Taiwan, did

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a horrible job, you know, didn't know basic geography, didn't

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know basic history about her own region. And so she

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called a friend at The New York Times and basically said, hey,

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could you help me, like could you run a piece

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where we redo everything and you kind of give my perspective.

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And that reporter Kellen Browning, was like, yes, ma'am, I

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got you. Let's her just like uncritically respond to everything.

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And then he also adds his own like cushiness and help.

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He says something about how she hesitated in her answers.

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It wasn't hesitation that was the problem, It was just

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the wrong answers. But if you are a lefty, the

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New York Times is there to help you and help

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your party, no matter how bad of a job you do. Well.

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Speaker 1: I like I saw people defending her Taiwan answer, which

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I don't think could be called an answer, is just

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a bunch of it was a word salad, and it

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is a complicated question. I admit, what do we do

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with Taiwan? Right? If you're getting ready for this for

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four months, don't you think you'd have some kind of

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answer to that question? She could not come up with one.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I just want to point out how the

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New York Times falsely characterized this. They said she stalled

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for roughly twenty seconds before offering a response that reflected

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the United States' longtime policy of strategic ambiguity. I want

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whatever drugs Kellen Browning is on, because that's an amazing

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restatement of reality into something that nobody else experienced.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like the Kamala Harris sixty minutes interview being

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you know, being put together to make sense, like her

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drawn out answers. But it is funny that Browning says

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that Acassio Cortez was worried about having her message microscopically

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dissected and that the messaging was would being lost in

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all the commotion around this. What was her messaging? There

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is no messaging, there's no She had nothing to say

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of substance at all.

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Speaker 2: I think her message, which did come through loud and clear,

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is that the United States is evil, It does evil things.

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Other countries are great. We have no right to be

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doing anything we're doing. I got that. Did you not

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get that?

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Speaker 1: I guess that's inherent in her philosophy. Yeah, I guess

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My question, I guess, is how much does it matter

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in broader politics today? I feel like we're in an

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idiocracy in many ways. Oh, actually, I want to go

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back to one thing. There are many times when Donald

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Trump will go on these rants where he's not making

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a lot of sense in my view, and it will

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happen with foreign policy sometimes. Do you think he could

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call the New York Times and they would fix it

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up for him? I mean, the idea would they love

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to point out to quote him verbatim, you know, all

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the UM's and all the spinning. But they did not

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do that to AOC whose answers are you know, are

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just crazy?

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Speaker 2: So just real quick. When CBS interviewed Joe Biden the

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week that Israel was attacked by Hamas, it was also

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the week that I think the Special Council said that

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he wasn't fit to stand trial. I could be wrong

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on that, but he blumbered through the interview. When CBS

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ended up like settling with Trump over a different problem

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that they'd done, one of the reasons they gave was

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that they were worried they would have to explain what

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they did in the Joe Biden interview, I interviewed people

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who said it was a quote monster edit to get

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it done, and they began by saying Joe Biden had

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had a rough week and he had shown signs of tiredness.

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You go back to the first administration and Trump is

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like yelling at Catherine Harriage, who's a great reporter, I think,

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but he was like yelling at her on behalf of

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CBS and everything. There was no such introduction like Donald

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Trump had had a rough week and was fed up

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with all of our lives about him. You know, there

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was no cushioning of it to your.

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Speaker 1: Point, No, yeah, never. Never. A lot of these politicians

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on the left but on the right too, they don't

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really have complex or you know, they haven't thought about

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foreign policy, you know, deeply, let's say. But they can

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get through messaging because they're politicians. They know how to

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speak well. They just bs their way through it. Like

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she can't even do that. I think that's like a

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minimal skill you need as a politician. On the other

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hand is Marco Rubio. He gave a speech as well

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on foreign policy this week. Gosh, now I forget was

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it at the same conference or okay, same conference? And

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I read that speech and I didn't hear him give it. People.

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Some people were very impressed. People, you know I lean

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on for a foreign policy quite often, were impressed. But

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I know what the messaging was. The messaging of that

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speech was that that Western civilization is better than the

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others and that it needs to protect itself.

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Speaker 2: It was a it was a beautiful speech. But I

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would like to also point out how the New York

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Times responded to it. And yes, he's talking about we

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always hear about the special relationship that we have with Europe,

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and that's undoubtedly true. We have a special relationship with

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Europe because we come from Europe originally, and our countries

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founding is so tied to Europe and our wars and

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you know, both being at war against them and then

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being at war with them with various countries there. And

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he talks about that, and the New York Times said, oh,

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that's actually not true because now Europe has been overrun

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by Muslims, so everything he said was false. It was like,

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I think you might have been the point of the speech,

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New York Home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I wrote a book about this.

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I think we're compactive. We have a special relationship because

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we come from them, but our morality is very comports

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well with each other, so you know, we have the

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same outlook on the world, or we used to. And

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I thought it was a fine speech when I read it,

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you know, I liked it. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,

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I think Marco Ruby is really good at this job.

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I don't know if he's going to run for president

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one day, whatever. I think this has been the best

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job for him, better than being a senator, frankly, and

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when he's asked questions, he has learned to give super coherent,

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compelling answers, in my view, to bet the big questions

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that people ask him.

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Speaker 2: So I really like him, and I loved this speech,

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and I have really loved him in this role as

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Secretary of State. Sometimes it's hard for me to reconcile

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who he is right now with who he was when

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he was doing like Gang of Eight and immigration stuff.

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It's just weird to me that this is the same guy.

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I don't know if the real person is now or

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if it was then, or if it's just a reflection

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of how we all grow and change over time, do

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you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: I said all those nice things about Rubio, but I

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don't have great respect for him as a politician because

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to me, he seems like a trend follower in many ways.

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He started as a tea party or he became then

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the Gang of Eights, then he was then he turned

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to the populist economics when everyone did. Like, I'm not

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saying that any of those positions are wrong, I just

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have suspicions.

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Speaker 2: So I do think though that there's a difference between

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you also have ambition, And I'm not saying this is

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what happened or anything, because I think, actually, who's the

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Mitch McConnell. I think opposed Marco Rubio in his primary

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to become the Senator from Florida. But let's say he

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wins the primary and McConnell says, okay, just so you know,

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like we'll give you money, but here's what you have

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to do, and so he does it understanding that sometimes

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you have to work with people who you don't totally

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agree with in order to help people in general. If

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it's something like that, I think that's more understandable than

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if it really is as you're saying, just like a

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following whatever the moment is, but he did run as

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a Tea Party challenger, and that does indicate something. I mean,

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it's populous, but it's good in my view.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's only populism I've ever liked. But I'm not

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saying it's premeditated. I don't know that Marko Uruvio sits

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down saying, Wow, this is going to be my next

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step because this will help me politically. I actually don't.

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that's it. I just think he has the inclination. Maybe

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he's not very ideological underneath at all, and it just

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kind of goes where the action is kind of I

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don't know. I do know that on foreign policy has

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been pretty consistent, and maybe he cares about that more

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than he cares about other stuff, and maybe that's why

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he's good at this job.

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Speaker 2: That was another thing I really liked about the speech,

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and I would encourage people to read it, showing that

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Trump's foreign policy is in line with traditional Republican foreign policy.

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You know, Reagan, Eisenhower, all that in between. So many

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of us came of age in that blip of I mean,

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there are always streams of thought that are happening in

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any party or any movement. But I think we have

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overstated how quote unquote Republican neo con interventionism is when

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really it's more in line with Wilsonian progressivism because it

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through well really for the Republicans it began after nine

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to eleven and last for another fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we disagree on this, not that I maybe we

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don't disagree actually, but I don't think Trump's foreign I

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think Trump's foreign policies as far away from like Lindberg

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isolationism and stuff that it is from neo conservatism. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know from Eisenhower, who is very much like

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be strong and be restrained. Reagan Alsoower blow stuff up,

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but you're not like looking for long term interventions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not saying I'm not saying that. I'm not

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saying it's neo conservatism. I'm saying that a neo conservative

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would probably be happy with Trump's foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think so too, And I think that's important

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for people thinking going forward. People who act like it

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is this idea that you never use your military just

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because you don't get involved in stupid wars. They're wrong,

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and there's not really an appetite for that in the

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American people. The American people might not vote a lot

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on foreign policy, but they tend to be pretty consistent

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in understanding we are this great power. We do need

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to exert what is to our advantage globally, but we

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just want to be smart about it and understand that

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there's a high financial cost. There's a high cost in

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human life. There's a high cost in terms of what

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you're not doing at home when you're doing things abroad.

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That doesn't mean that the American people don't support smart

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military intervention. We do.

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama was on a podcast called No Lie with

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this guy named Brian Tyler Cohen. The funny thing is,

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I see this guy lying all the time online, so

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I find that the name of the podcast pretty funny.

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But in Barack Obama said a couple things, and one

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of them was kind of a He claimed us that

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conservatives well me quote. He claimed that conservatives do quote

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the mean, angry exclusive us them divisive politics. That's their

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home court. Our home court is coming together, isn't that now?

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I'm just a mere mortal. I'm not Barack Obama. But

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I disagree that that's what the left does. In fact,

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I'm not sure I can find people out there who

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show more antipathy or its people aren't like them than

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the urban progressive or the act of it left wing activists.

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I mean, we've run across them. You see it when

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you look at polls when after the next shows us

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that the left is less inclined to want to have

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friends or family members who are who disagree with them.

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I guess that's what he means by exclusive and not welcoming, right.

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So that's the first part of it. We can get

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into this. The second part is he's the last person

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who should be talking about this. He changed American politics

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for the worst forever. He was the most divisive president

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in history, I believe, or in modern history for many reasons.

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It's not to say no one else has said bad things,

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or people came out with presents who came after and

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weren't divisive as well. It's that he changed how he

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made everything about politics and his allies. It was terrible

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for America, and we can get into that. But were

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what was your reaction when you heard the great Obama

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talking about divisiveness?

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Speaker 2: I find it interesting that the left needs to feel

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that it's true that they are uniters and that their

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opponents are dividers. I mean, a casual trip through Facebook

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with your lefty friends will just you know, it's kind

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of I don't know if people on the left understand

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how much people who aren't on the left talk about

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how intolerant and divisive and spiteful they are in their

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social media while the rest of us are kind of

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just operating with our family and friends as normal humans

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who understand that there are differences and it's okay. It's

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like a attish or something. They need to believe that

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if they say that they're not divisive and that their

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opponents are that it will mean that that's true. It

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shows a shocking lack of there's nothing realistic about that

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assessment of the Obama presidency to not realize and even

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maybe embrace how divisive it was. He and Michelle very

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strongly opposed the country and they thought it was bad,

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and they worked to convince a lot of people that

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it was bad and it worked, which is divisive. I

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mean racially, I think it put the country back. It

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makes me sad that I got to grow up in

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an era where you'd seen like steady progress in terms

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of racial harmony, and then just these horrific setbacks leading

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up to the twenty twenty race riots and the transfer

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of one hundred billion dollars in corporate wealth for reparation.

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It's very unhealthy for the country. What the what Obama did? Yeah,

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might feel guilty about it, and he thinks if he

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says this, then people will also. He knows if he

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says it, the media will say yes. Isn't that true?

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He's not divisive. I saw that on Twitter. People said

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it is true. He was very non divisive. He was

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very unifying. It's like, yeah, where.

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Speaker 1: I pined for the days when Obama was president and

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everything we lived harmoniously together. Yeah, I guess I could.

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I want to get to the core of the problem

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I have with Obama is that it goes back. If

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you remember, he started his presidency by saying that people

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who disagree with him cling are bitter and cling to

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guns and religion and hate. Yeah, and people who who

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hate him. The core problem with him and what differentiated him,

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I think from other presidents, was that he did not

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if you disagreed. He wanted unity, but unity meant that

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you had to drop boy your beliefs and accept his.

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He made no If you disagreed with him, you were

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a racist. There was something nefarious about you. You were

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clinging to the old gods. You didn't understand how great

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the future could be. He left no room for good

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faith debate. He left no room for people to disagree.

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That's why he had no qualms about going after nuns,

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little sisters are the poor. It was an example he

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was making to other religious people. To it was kind

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of like a progressive cultural supremacy, right, if you didn't

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do what he wanted. And that's how all his allies

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treated people. They treated them like they were traders. He

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came up with a new idea of America, and if

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you didn't accept that new idea of America, you were

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a bad person. When people were killed by Islamis and

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you wanted to say something about it, you were Islamophobic.

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That stupid neologism that he came up with, and they

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didn't come up with it, but he made it popular,

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right it is. He was one of the worst. I

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wrote a book called Obama's Four Horsemen. When I wrote it,

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it predicted all the things that would go. I predicted

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what I thought was going to happen after his presidency,

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and I thought the title was way way over the

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top at the time. I fought my editors not to

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have it. Boy, I think it's a great title because

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almost every the extremism on abortion, the hate of America.

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I mean, this guy went, he went to Egypt and

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he said the future must not belong to those who

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slander the prophet of Islam. But slandering Christians was fine

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with him, and he did it all the time. He

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was also, incidentally, as far as presidents go, the first one.

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And I went back and looked, it wasn't my imagination

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who popularized the idea of dual loyalty because of because

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Jewish Democrats wouldn't support his Iranian plan. He was constantly

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doing that, and when before he became president it was

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Americans for the most part, both parties supported the Jewish state,

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not everything it did, but in concept and all that

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that is no longer the case after him. I mean,

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I have so many complaints about on him, it's crazy.

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But what drives me or makes me angriest, is that

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this revisionism about him being a uniter, that he has

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a scandal free presidency. It was the opposite. The way

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they passed Obamacare blew up Washington in a way we

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will never recover from the Democrats unilaterally passed a national

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reform without any of.

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Speaker 2: The opposition of the American people. I mean a strong They.

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Speaker 1: Pulled out every trick, they did everything to undermine goodwill

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right and they did it. And everything that people warned

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about that would happen with that bill has happened and worse,

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and all the Swiss guard media called you a liar.

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They said you were trying to murder people if you

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didn't support him. They changed American po I'm not saying

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it was all great before we were all nice to

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each other. We weren't. But I think it was a

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dramatic change. And I think he laid the foundations for

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the Trump presidency and for what we have now. I

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really do. So.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that's a rant, but it just reminds me.

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Megan mccardal, who was at the Washington Post and might

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still be, wrote a great piece with that about that

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point that the passage of Obamacare ruined politics in DC.

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It does make me angry that we just spent much

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of the last year trying to rescue Obamacare. And I

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don't understand why we all have to rescue something that

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was passed over the opposition of the American people and

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in complete opposition to the Republican Party and then the

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Republican parties. Well, we got to save it, which is

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why people hate the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: Well, the problem with these kind of left wing welfare

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programs that's all Obamacare really was, is that once you

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hook people on it, and once you have it implemented,

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it's very hard to take it away. We're still dealing

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with with programs passed in the sixties, massive entitlement programs

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that are bad for Americans that don't work, that costs

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more than they knows, trillions more than they were initially

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predicted to cost, and it's very difficult to extricate yourself

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from them. I'm not making excuses for these Republicans, but

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there's a painful political price to pay. Probably like you

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remember when George Bush tried to reform Social Security. Literally

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it was such a tep it like you would be

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able to keep young people would have been able to

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keep more of their money. They could have chosen to

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stay on the program and you would have thought he

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was hitler right at the time. I mean, it probably

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ruined his president, helped ruin his presidency with Iraq, right,

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and it was crazy. I don't know. I'm rant in

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and raving today about things.

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Speaker 2: This is so unimportant, but I can't help but think

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about it every time Barack Obama's name comes up. First off,

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is that he whatever you want to say about him,

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he is so loving toward his wife and daughters. He

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always praised them, speak well of them. I don't think

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I've ever publicly heard him give even a tiny indication

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that he's in thing other than completely elated that they

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are his family. And then his wife, it's the opposite.

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She's just constantly tearing him down about how he kind

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of ruined her life. And it's weird, right, like why

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she's one of the most privileged people. I think we

478
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,599
talked about that last week. The other thing is I

479
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,880
can't quite get out of my mind. This is a

480
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,480
little bit in contradiction to what I just said, But

481
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:32,240
that biography of him, which revealed his multiple times of

482
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:35,960
writing down his fantasy about having sex with men, and

483
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:41,799
that's very I am. I can say with a pretty

484
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:44,079
high degree of confidence that I have not encountered that

485
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,000
among the best, best, best majority of men in my life,

486
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:51,119
kind of close to the opposite. And it's so weird.

487
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Right when you're a straight man, you don't talk about

488
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,000
wanting to be in gay relationships. That's something. I think.

489
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,960
The book is called Rising Are the Making of Barack Obama.

490
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:05,480
It's a it's a door stopper. It's like thy two

491
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:07,759
hundred pages or something. I've not read the whole thing,

492
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,079
but I've read into it and it has a lot

493
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:13,079
of incredible information and.

494
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,319
Speaker 2: It's kind of difficult to move past that in particular, right, Like,

495
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:19,039
it's just and it's weird that nobody talks about it

496
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:21,039
when it's it's right there.

497
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I think, Molly, there's so much to talk about

498
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,519
with him that we don't need to go back into

499
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,519
his youth. I don't know, I mean, you know, but yeah, yeah,

500
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,079
his wife, I don't you know. His wife is just

501
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,720
so bitter about her life. I just it's hard for

502
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:38,880
me to understand by the way I think people like

503
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,400
Barack Obama on a personal level. I mean, it got

504
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,599
grating with his supercilious like lecturing constantly. Oh my lord,

505
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,319
I did not. I do not want to go back

506
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:52,079
to that. But he was. He seemed like a good

507
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,640
family man, which is weird. So I ask you this question.

508
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,279
I've asked lots of people. I'll say this about myself. Actually,

509
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:00,880
I would rather vote for a sociopath if he's going

510
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,039
to do the right thing when he gets elected. Then

511
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,440
a good person who does all the wrong things. Oh yeah, yeah.

512
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,160
And when I say this or right this, people go

513
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,400
berserk on me. But I don't really care that much.

514
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,240
I mean, I think when you're a bad person in

515
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,160
your personal life, you're probably going to be a bad

516
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,480
person anyway in politics. But I might not be the case.

517
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:20,279
The reverse isn't the case.

518
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: I would strongly prefer a good person who is also

519
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:30,039
good and wise about the direction of the country. It's

520
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,039
probably hard to be a sociopath and care about the

521
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:33,039
direction of the country.

522
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love Lazy politicians are my favorite because

523
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,680
they don't want to do anything, and that's a good

524
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,480
way to be. How could could Obama be where his

525
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:49,400
whole career, like early career was hitched to reverend right,

526
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,079
where he takes pictures with Fara Khan, you know all

527
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,039
that stuff. I mean, is he really a good person.

528
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:54,640
I don't know.

529
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: The CNBC needs to start honest with themselves. The watch

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531
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535
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536
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540
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Speaker 1: All right, sorry about that. Let's talk about Oh, another person.

541
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,599
Speaker 2: Transition to talk about?

542
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,759
Speaker 1: Right, Let's talk about Jesse Jackson. I was I noted

543
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,240
on Twitter, how quaint, how quaint the term HEIMI toown

544
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,480
was now, you know, compared to what's going on. But

545
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,440
Jesse Jackson was the original, one of the original Racehouse stars.

546
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,759
So he shook down He died today. He was eighty four.

547
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:05,000
Leave shook down companies all the time. He ran for

548
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,000
president in eighty four. Was it I forget exactly what I.

549
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: Think A couple of times I could be wrong. And

550
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,160
he gave great speeches. He's one of the great speech givers.

551
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: Fantastic speaker. A lot of rhyming going on, gets you

552
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,519
really worked up. He was. He was in one of

553
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:25,400
the great actually think Mark retweeted this. He was in

554
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,119
one of the great State life skits, The question is Moot,

555
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,920
where he's a game show host and no matter what

556
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,640
anyone says the answer to the trivia, says the question

557
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,039
is moot, and then goes into some political tirade. It's

558
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:41,119
very funny. You know. He was a fixture in American

559
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,079
politics for a very long time, not so much in

560
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,519
recent years. And I passed away, And you know, I

561
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:48,759
don't want to rip a guy the day he died, really,

562
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,440
but I was not a fan of overall of Jesse

563
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,000
Jackson's politics, or the way he handled himself, or the

564
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:57,039
kind of racial strife he caused in this country needlessly

565
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,720
quite often. And I don't know, you have anything, say,

566
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,400
oh I do, Okay, you go for it.

567
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: So this morning, okay, So I'm still in Colorado with

568
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,359
my mom. We talked last week about how my dad died,

569
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,079
and I've been going through all the paperwork and stuff

570
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,440
and my parents have this like massive California king sized bed,

571
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,160
like it's so big. So I've just been staying in

572
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,319
that bed with my mom. And this morning when I

573
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,960
woke up, she said, your friend died. I'm like, who,

574
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:31,160
Jesse Jackson. And I was like, oh, you know, because

575
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,839
I knew he'd been in hospice for several months, and

576
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:36,640
I knew that there was like a deathwatch even a

577
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,680
few months ago, where they thought it was quite imminent.

578
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:46,480
But back in nineteen ninety two, he led He was

579
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,640
a big proponent of what has become a very common

580
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:56,119
usually Democrat scheme to help drive out votes for the

581
00:33:56,119 --> 00:34:01,799
Democrat Party, which is early voting. And he had even

582
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,519
part of a coalition that got early voting into Colorado

583
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,719
in nineteen ninety two, and he was leading a march

584
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:15,840
to go early vote. And I do I loved watching

585
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,719
political conventions when I was quite young, and I distinctly

586
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,360
remember I'm pretty sure it was eighty four, given the

587
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,119
age I think I was a speech he gave, and

588
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,840
also eighty eight. I'm almost positive he ran at least

589
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,880
twice in those years. And I'd always just kind of

590
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,760
followed him and found him interesting, and I decided to

591
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,239
join the March to Early Vote holding a sign for

592
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,280
my candidate, who was not the same candidate as everybody

593
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:53,039
else in the March to Early Vote. So I joined

594
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:55,320
the march. There were a few other people who also

595
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,960
had signs for this was George H. W. Bush and

596
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:03,320
Dan Quail, and they all got kind of kicked out

597
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,960
of the march early. But I was a little smaller

598
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,960
and scrappier, and so I just kind of went into

599
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,719
the middle and I kept marching. It was from the

600
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,039
you know, the CU Denver campus to the City and

601
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:24,719
County Building, I think so that is. And this one

602
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,280
guy named Albertus Simmons was like a big guy and

603
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,679
a close associate of Jesse Jackson's, tried to get me

604
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,559
out of the march. He literally would stand in front

605
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:39,280
of me and tell me to leave the march, tell

606
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,840
me I was not welcome in the march, and I

607
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,199
just kept declining to leave the march, but he kept

608
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,760
coming after me, and finally he takes my sign and

609
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,000
rips it up into a bunch of different pieces. Side note.

610
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:57,960
Side note. I kept the sign and I have it.

611
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,800
I'll show it stud I kept all the pieces, so

612
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,800
I just kind of knew that my voice had been

613
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,519
taken at that point, and I just stood on the

614
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:14,199
sidewalk crying, Oh no. And I'm also like it was

615
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,199
not like the world's most street savvy eighteen year old,

616
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,960
so I was far from campus. I didn't know, like

617
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:22,960
like it'd all been kind of chaotic. All my friends

618
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,760
had gotten kicked out early. And I'm just standing there

619
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,679
crying and holding my sign and I hear someone say,

620
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,159
can you tell us how you feel? And I look

621
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,639
up and it's like TV cameras and reporters with notebooks,

622
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:44,199
and I said, I thought this was the Rainbow Coalition.

623
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,039
I guess it's for everyone but me.

624
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. Oh did they run with it now?

625
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, like major news coverage. Rush Limbaugh, who also

626
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,679
died on this day, by the way, Oh wow, Limbaugh

627
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,960
called my house had me on his show. It was

628
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,480
the first time that like I was ever mentioned on

629
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,440
the show. Oh makes me cry because I love Rush

630
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:19,719
so so much. And then the Reverend Jesse Jackson called

631
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:27,039
my parents because he wanted to apologize. And I don't

632
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:32,519
know what his claim to that title is, but my dad,

633
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,760
who is a pastor and you know, went to seminary

634
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,599
and is a reverend. He does not like it when

635
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:44,559
people call themselves reverend when they're not actually leading a congregation.

636
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,320
And so he calls my dad and he's like Reverend Ziegler,

637
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,400
you know, trying to get hold of Molly, and my

638
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:57,559
dad just kept calling him mister Jackson, which cracked me up. Anyway,

639
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,599
I did end up having with him, and he did apologize.

640
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,480
Blow like, that's like a lame ending to the story.

641
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,280
But we ate at this soul food place in Five

642
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,320
Points that was really good. I can't remember the name

643
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,880
of it, and he apologized for real.

644
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,199
Speaker 1: This story, it blows my mind that I have not

645
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,760
I've known you this long, and I've never heard this story.

646
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,119
The rush Limbaugh. It kept getting better, It kept getting better. Yeah,

647
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,039
so he called you. Did he rhyme in real life? Like?

648
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,519
Did he speak the way he speaks in real life?

649
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:36,400
Was he nice? Like to tell us more? You had

650
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,679
a dinner with him?

651
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,159
Speaker 3: You know?

652
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean it was a real bad thing he did

653
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:46,480
probably almost certainly violated my civil rights by how they

654
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:52,280
handled that march right. And if I were a litigious person,

655
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,639
or if people were smarter about how to handle it,

656
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:58,519
they would have gotten sued very badly, so I'm not downplaying.

657
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,519
He really did seem since in his apology, but he

658
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,639
also had to apologize before it got comuch work.

659
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, well here is. Jackson got a BS in

660
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,960
sociology in nineteen sixty four. Then he attended the Chicago

661
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,599
Theological Seminary on a scholarship. He left a seminary in

662
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,800
sixty six, three classes short of earning his master's degree,

663
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,840
to focus full time on the civil rights movement. He

664
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:36,119
was ordained a minister in sixty eight, but it doesn't

665
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:37,760
look like he earned it. It looks like he was given

666
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,159
to him by the Chicago don't know.

667
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,119
Speaker 2: I mean, I think for my dad it was more

668
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,159
the issue.

669
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,679
Speaker 1: That you didn't have a church master.

670
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:48,599
Speaker 2: You should have flocks, right they should be, and then

671
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:50,679
it's okay to do other stuff. Like my dad ended

672
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,800
up getting very involved in politics himself, but not as

673
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,000
a pastor. As a pastor, he cared about his flock.

674
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:04,599
So yeah. I Also, my husband was reminding me that

675
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:10,239
Ryan Liza wrote a really monumental takedown of Jackson as

676
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,800
it related to blood Diamonds. Somewhere in Africa. The Clintons

677
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,480
had put Jackson in charge of negotiating treaties in Africa,

678
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,840
and he something somehow had something to do with blood diamonds.

679
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,039
I have to reread that story with the caveat that

680
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,079
I have never found Ryan Liza to be the most

681
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:35,280
accurate in his description of events.

682
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to look that up. We can talk

683
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,280
about him in the future. I mean, you know, he

684
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,920
just passed away. It's kind of I detested him when

685
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,239
I was younger, but other characters have emerged that make

686
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,800
him less to test, Like Al Sharton came and he

687
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,079
was worse in my view, you know. And then obviously

688
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,440
the Black Lives Matter stuff and other leaders of those

689
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:04,800
kind of movements were far more extreme and divisive and

690
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:08,840
than he was. So I guess now looking back at

691
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,159
his history, he seems bad, but not as bad somehow.

692
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that maybe the better thing

693
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,840
to say would be that once he admitted that he'd

694
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,920
had all those affairs and different children from different women,

695
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:24,679
all right, he kind of stepped out of that arena

696
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,000
where he had been treated as a reverend who was

697
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,199
this moral voice of a nation. He just I think

698
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,559
that was like twenty five years ago. He just kind

699
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:37,320
of faded away. So it's easier to let things go

700
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,960
when you forget the race hustling, and you forget the

701
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,880
anti Semitism, and you forget the partisan politicking under the

702
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,280
guise of Christianity or whatn't But.

703
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,039
Speaker 1: Do you remember during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, there would

704
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:54,159
be pictures of Clinton walking with Jesse Jackson, who was

705
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:58,000
his spiritual advisor at the time, where he too was

706
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:02,159
having affairs with the younger women, you know, making children elsewhere,

707
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:06,320
And he was often a spiritual advisor and often the

708
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:12,880
place that Democratic presidential candidates would go to get permission

709
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,239
basically to run, and that was later handed off to

710
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,360
Al Sharpton, where every single Democrat goes to Al Sharpton

711
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,239
and gets his blessing to run. Not good, All right,

712
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,280
We've spoken about a lot of interesting personalities. The personalities. Today,

713
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,480
let's talk about Robert Duval who passed away. Actually, first,

714
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:35,119
let's talk about the Olympics for a second. Okay, I'm

715
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:39,719
sorry about that. We have two topics i'd like to

716
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,960
touch on. Both involve communist countries. One is Canada and

717
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:48,519
the others China. Canada has been embroiled in the cheating

718
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:53,400
scandal in curling, which I watch. I love. I watch

719
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,599
all the curling I can and there's a lot Americans

720
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:01,239
are doing. Okay, the Canadian cheat. Did you see this?

721
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: Yes? I believe it like they did it so brazenly.

722
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,840
They're not even denying it.

723
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: Well, initially he did. He cursed at the Swedish guy.

724
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,920
One of the Canadian curlers cursed at the Swedish guy

725
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,280
and said, and then the Swedish person told him to

726
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,440
look at the videotape, which then they showed. But what

727
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,280
I didn't know about curling, Let's be honest, I didn't

728
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,280
know anything about curling piano about a week ago, even

729
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,800
though I watched it last time. But a lot of

730
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,280
it's sportsmanship, a lot of it. There's no ref there,

731
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,440
there's they come in, they'll measure, they'll do certain things,

732
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,400
but it's basically up to the players to exhibit good

733
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,519
sportsmanship and follow the rules. And one of the rules

734
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,719
is when you're throwing the stone it's called molly, that

735
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,679
big forty six pounds forty six for forty two pound rock,

736
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,039
you cannot you let it go where there's a line.

737
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,800
I think it's a green line. But these Canadians would

738
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,360
like push it again against the rules. And not just

739
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,280
the men's team did this, but the women's team as well.

740
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,519
I think they should be kicked out of the Olympics.

741
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I thought that before I saw the

742
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,880
cheated so I definitely feel that way. I loved how

743
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,079
the Canadians said that they were upset with the Swedes

744
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,280
for catching them cheating is.

745
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: What it said. Ysh, just just embarrassing.

746
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: You should be able to win on your own merits.

747
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,079
On curling. When I went to Oregon for Thanksgiving, my

748
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:42,599
husband's families from the mountains Bend and we drove into

749
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,760
Bend and it was like eleven PM and there was

750
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,039
major curling going on in the open air ice rink.

751
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,880
But I think it's as close And I was like,

752
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,840
this is cool. Spread to Bend Orgon.

753
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: It looks like a fun game. Yeah, I think.

754
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,079
Speaker 2: It's a cool thing. I think it's also the only

755
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,000
sport that they should let women play with men or

756
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:04,840
men play with women.

757
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: I should say so no tennis, no? Uh?

758
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,159
Speaker 2: Did they have couples like a mixed a mixed doubles

759
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,519
that'll work too.

760
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,159
Speaker 1: But I'm not trying to undermine you here.

761
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: I'm just despite my general dislike of Canada. I've seen

762
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,519
a bunch of people saying recently that their estimation of

763
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:27,679
Canada has decreased in things like the cheating in curling

764
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,800
has not helped them. But I started hating Canada when

765
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,199
I was a teenager because I read this book by

766
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,639
this guy who was an AI scholar, oh man, what

767
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,519
was his name, Benjamin something. He kind of like did

768
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,320
analysis of poles and stuff.

769
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,599
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

770
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: He showed this one poll where they asked Americans what

771
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,679
they thought of Canadians, and the top ten responses were

772
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,840
like awesome, nice, neighborly, cool, funny, we love them, you know,

773
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,760
like that kind of thing. And then they asked Canadians

774
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,639
what they thought of Americans and it was all jerks, mean, awful, losers, whatever.

775
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,280
So I decided I would be the one American who

776
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,119
didn't like Canadians. And then my brother married a Canadian

777
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:12,960
and they have, you know, aw children and stuff, and

778
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,400
she's wonderful, of course, but I try to keep it

779
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,920
up anyway, my dislike of Canada. I will say a

780
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,199
Canadian I believe took the gold in the competition with

781
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,960
the other Communists that you're talking about. Elaine Gou who's

782
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,920
worse than an average communist. She's got a really weird

783
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:37,679
backstory and is an American because we all know that

784
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,760
if your mom conspires to have you born in America

785
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,599
and has no intention of you of actually being a

786
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,760
citizen of America, that you are just as American as

787
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,880
you and me. So she's an American, and she competes

788
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,119
for China, communist China, and is really into it, loves

789
00:46:56,159 --> 00:47:00,440
to celebrate communist China, and her family all work for

790
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,000
the CCP, and I think her mom, you know, was

791
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:07,960
an agent of the CCP prior to pretending to become American.

792
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: This woman, by the way, is loaded. She's worth twenty

793
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,519
three million dollars. And now we learn that the Chinese

794
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,760
gave around fourteen million to American athletes to play for them.

795
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:28,320
Probably she was given around six million dollars. Reportedly. There's

796
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,960
another figure skater, I think Juye is her name, and

797
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:34,440
she was also given a bunch of money. It's like

798
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,320
the Chinese, they steal your technology, they steal your athletes.

799
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,679
Goo says is a Jugu, and Goo says that she

800
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,599
is trying to inspire women in China, a young girls

801
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,199
in China to ski and so on, And I say

802
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,599
she should be skiing for Taiwan then, but mostly I

803
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,320
think she should be skiing for the United States because

804
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,360
she goes to Stanford. She is a beneficiary of capitalist

805
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,320
system now of the Chinese system, and it is very

806
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:05,440
I don't know, I don't know what can be done.

807
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: She's just start fishy about it too, like her mom

808
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,320
raised her as a single mother with an unknown or

809
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,519
like possibly sperm downer father in one of the wealthiest

810
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:21,559
areas of the United States. Her grandfather was high up

811
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,360
with the CCP. It's just kind of weird to me.

812
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,719
Like she loves China, that's fine, she should just live

813
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,199
there and not benefit from all of what we do here.

814
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean this goo is on the cover of Time magazine.

815
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:45,679
We talked about this last week. Yeah, and the.

816
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: New York Post of all publications, said that when she

817
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,840
failed to win the gold again that it was a heartbreaker.

818
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,280
And I'm like a heartbreaker for people who love treason

819
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:00,679
and communist China. Like who's heartbroken over a bad person

820
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,719
not getting gold but getting silver? Like he's still too high.

821
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Should deport her, should make a

822
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,000
special Trump should sign a special executive order and deport her.

823
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:23,360
So as I get older, people who have been part

824
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,639
of my life, I don't know them, but there in

825
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,320
my cultural life are dying. Robert du Val has been

826
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,079
in my life since I'm a kid, you know, in

827
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,880
so many great movies. He described himself. I love this

828
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,199
quote I wish I had in front of me. But

829
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:39,280
he described himself as character actor, which I think is perfect.

830
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:41,800
He was like a character actor who was a star.

831
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,440
He wasn't, you know, He wasn't Robert Radford. He didn't

832
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,039
have like the obvious good looks or anything like that.

833
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,239
But he had a real presence on screen, and he

834
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,360
had a real ability to play all kinds of interesting characters,

835
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,719
from bad guys to heroes to anything right. I mean,

836
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,760
he was just one of the greats. That's like my

837
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,239
cue to you. Do you agree?

838
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: I love Robert Duval. Love him partly, I think because

839
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,719
he looks like a member of my dad's family. I mean,

840
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,559
he if you told me that he was an uncle,

841
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:22,760
I'd say totally believe it. And I love his acting.

842
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,320
I love his humility in his acting, and I love

843
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:32,639
that he just was steadily working for sixty years doing

844
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,159
great work in so many things. Did you see I

845
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:37,719
know we talked about it, but I can't remember if

846
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,000
you saw it the Judge.

847
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Robert Downey Junior. Maybe was that it?

848
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: Yes, highly, highly recommend it. But yeah, there's so many

849
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,159
things I really really liked. Also, I love the Apostle.

850
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,039
Have you ever seen that?

851
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Not in a long time. I mean when I

852
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,159
think of him and I sat down, I'm like, what

853
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:05,480
was he great? And obviously The Godfather comes to mind,

854
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,320
even though I would say that that's not like his

855
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,280
most impressive role Apocalypse Now, he just was Charlie, don't

856
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,400
surf that whole scene. He's just so amazing. I think

857
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,800
he steals a movie, really, and I love that movie.

858
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,039
Speaker 2: And do you remember him in the Natural?

859
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: Yes? He was in the Natural. I hadn't even thought

860
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,400
about that. Yeah.

861
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,079
Speaker 2: And then I also love Tender Mercies. Yeah, it's a

862
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,000
great soundtrack if you if you ever get a chance

863
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:34,440
to hear that.

864
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: But did you ever see The Great Santini? No?

865
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure we will see it soon because there's something

866
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,599
about that that my husband has always felt like that

867
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:47,880
movie so perfectly captured his grandfather. I think it was

868
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,239
that he was suspicious about whether it was maybe actually

869
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,880
about his grandfather.

870
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,639
Speaker 1: The paper. Have you ever seen this movie? No?

871
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,159
Speaker 2: I didn't? You just watch this again?

872
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,159
Speaker 1: Maybe I love this movie. It's got Michael Keaton is

873
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:06,519
an editor of like a New York post style paper,

874
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,599
and the New York Times is trying to hire him

875
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:11,519
for their metro page. And it's got Marisa TomEE And

876
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:14,440
Robert Duval is the editor in chief of the paper.

877
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,840
Glenn Close, isn't it? Randy Quaid is the columnist. People

878
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,320
always trying to kill him because he's upset them so badly.

879
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,840
It's great, if you know, if you've worked in journalism,

880
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,840
it's just like it's fun. First of all, it's nothing

881
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,639
like really working at a paper, but it is a

882
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:32,000
lot of fun. And he's great in it. He's great

883
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:38,400
in it. Okay, Molly, do you have anything else culture related?

884
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: Not really. I have been knee deep in papers and

885
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:47,239
taking care of everything for my dad. Although wait, I

886
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,840
might have mentioned this last week. I probably did. My

887
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,039
dad's odd love of LBJ.

888
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, just surprised you.

889
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,679
Speaker 2: Totally surprised me. But I also by going through his papers,

890
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,599
which has been so fun, I've divided them into you know,

891
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:11,960
he has a lot of sermons, Bible studies, things he's written, prayers,

892
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,400
just beautiful things that will be a treasure for my family.

893
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,320
There are also a lot of mementos from his crazy

894
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,360
childhood in the sixties in Denver when it was much

895
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,599
less populated. He was on the board of the Douglas

896
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:32,559
County Parks and Recreation and was for at least a decade,

897
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:39,360
and his love of nature and Colorado animals, wildlife, fishing,

898
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:43,880
parks and preserving them. And then he was also actually

899
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,320
active in the Republican Party toward the end of his life,

900
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,360
so he clearly made a change, and he was a

901
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,639
district captain in the Republican Party, and he like his

902
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,679
notes on getting out the vote. I'm kind of surprised

903
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:58,440
I didn't talk to him about it more. I'm not

904
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,000
saying I didn't talk to him about it at all,

905
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,440
but he was more focused on GOOTV earlier than a

906
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,000
lot of people on the right were. I think.

907
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: You sent me so you sent me a picture of

908
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,519
one corner of his office, just pile books to the

909
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:17,239
ceiling papers everywhere. When I see something like that, my

910
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,719
heart just warms. I love it, like that's how I

911
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:23,039
love to be surrounded by books in that way. I

912
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:25,440
often wonder what is going to happen when I die

913
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,400
to all the crap I've collected, all the books that

914
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,400
I will probably never read again. I wrote a comment

915
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,760
about this once. It was basically me making the argument

916
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,559
an excuse for why I have like nine thousand books.

917
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:41,079
And part of it is that it tells your intellectual history,

918
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:44,000
like you're what you were thinking about, what things interested you.

919
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:47,039
High minded stuff, but pretentious stuff sometimes, you know. And

920
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:49,199
just I think that now as you go through your

921
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,280
dad's stuff, that's what you're seeing.

922
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,639
Speaker 2: It is such a gift. And then also it's funny

923
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:59,119
what I value is different than what my brother and

924
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:04,679
sister value you. And like early on when we first

925
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:06,679
started this, I said to my brother something about how

926
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,639
we could donate all of these books on American history,

927
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:12,079
and he looked at me like I was insane. He's like,

928
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:16,840
that's literally mostly what I want. He has complete collections

929
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,400
of Luther's works and other really amazing theological books. That's

930
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,480
what I want, or to make sure they go to

931
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:26,639
the right person. And then he has so much stuff

932
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:29,199
on the West, on the history of Denver, on the

933
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,159
history of Colorado, history of other places he's interested in,

934
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,519
and lots of Westerns, you know, complete Zane Gray and

935
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:41,039
Louis Lamore. And it's funny because my sister, who's like

936
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:44,199
you've met her, she's such a force of nature, like

937
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,280
I'm getting those. I'm like, okay, I like them too,

938
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:51,239
but she's like, no, I read them to Dad, and

939
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,440
Dad read them to me, So I'm getting those. And

940
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,880
I love that she has that connection with that fiction,

941
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,440
that Western. So we all will make sure that the

942
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,840
books go to the right place, even if that is

943
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:08,039
to be donated to someone else who will appreciate them

944
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:11,320
like he appreciated his. But yeah, I've been like taking

945
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,639
pictures like books he has that were written by people

946
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:16,599
I know. It's just fun to take a picture and

947
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be like, my dad was reading your book or your

948
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,559
I sent you a picture of an article that you

949
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had of yours, which I thought was funny.

950
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, it's nice to know someone's reading

951
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,039
it is funny. Just last word on this is that

952
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when I was you know, when you're young, you think

953
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you're not like your parents at all. And I remember

954
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one day going to my dad's library as a lot

955
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of books as well. I'm being like, all these books

956
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,199
are so interesting. I love all of these books, Like, oh,

957
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:49,400
just my dad right now. You know, we had a

958
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lot of the same books we had bought. So but

959
00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:56,920
it's interesting that your dad's book collection in his papers

960
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,760
appealed to the three of you in different ways, and

961
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,679
you all, you know, came you know, you all grew

962
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up with them and all that. So it's wonderful and

963
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:04,000
it's so cool too.

964
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Speaker 2: This one last thing that's gratuitous here, but he I'm

965
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the youngest of my parents' children, and my mom had

966
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very difficult pregnancies and deliveries with my siblings, and we

967
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,000
were living in Wyoming at the time that I was

968
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to be born, and I can't remember exactly what the

969
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,920
situation was, if the hospital there did not have adequate facilities,

970
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:27,519
if there even was a hospital, if the doctor was

971
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,400
going to be on vacation, something like that. So she

972
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moved with my brother and sister down to Denver for

973
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a few weeks to prepare to give birth to me.

974
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So I happened to have continued my dad's lineage in Colorado,

975
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,320
unlike my siblings because of this health reasoning, And he

976
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,400
wrote letters to my mom, and it's just so cool

977
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,920
to see him talking about the family and about the baby,

978
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,880
because of course they didn't know whether I would be

979
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:01,599
a boy or a girl. And you just get to

980
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,719
transport yourself to where your parents were at a different

981
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,519
part of their lives, and it's it's just such a

982
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:11,800
gift that my parents do love each other, did love

983
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,679
each other, and that they had a beautiful marriage, and

984
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:16,559
that they wrote stuff down too.

985
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: I guess we're going to lose something. I have some

986
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,159
letters as well, from you know, relatives and et cetera.

987
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:26,599
But I think that having email will kind of take

988
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:30,440
that away from future generations. And it also doesn't let you,

989
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:32,960
I think a letter. I don't know if you did

990
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,559
this in elementary school, but we used to have to

991
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:36,880
write like pen find we have pen pals, and they

992
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,039
would make us write letters and stuff. You really think

993
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,239
through what you're going to say when you're writing a letter.

994
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,800
In ways, you probably don't an email, right, Like, it's

995
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,079
just an art that you don't have when you're in

996
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:51,719
instantaneous connections with people. Now, people like emails are antiquated

997
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:55,519
and my kids just text each other, right all right,

998
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:57,480
thank you for listening.

999
00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:59,039
Speaker 2: We'll be Uh, you didn't have but you didn't have

1000
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:00,800
any other culture to talk about.

1001
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: I did sort of want that seemed like such a

1002
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:06,159
nice topic. But I will mention I watched a movie

1003
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:09,719
that I think is the worst, the best worst movie

1004
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,920
maybe ever made, called The Thirteenth Warrior. Have you ever

1005
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,039
seen this movie? Oh?

1006
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: I love bad movies.

1007
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: Though it's bad but great in a way. It stars

1008
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,800
Antonio Benderis, who's an Arab chronicler and diplomat who goes

1009
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,639
hooks up with these Vikings and then you're like, this

1010
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:32,440
is pretty awesome already. And then they're fighting like zombies

1011
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:35,920
up in Viking territory in a war, and then you're like,

1012
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:39,119
this is amazing. I wish the movie was about an

1013
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:42,000
hour longer, because this is one of the few movies

1014
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:44,239
I don't think has enough exposition or it doesn't have

1015
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,079
enough background because you don't know what's going on. It's

1016
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,239
based on a Michael Crichton book called Eaters of the Dead.

1017
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:54,199
It was a huge it's directed by the guy who

1018
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:57,719
directed Diehard. It it was a big failure. But I

1019
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:02,119
think it has called status now. Yeah, yeah, John mctierney McTiernan,

1020
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:07,960
I think, but it uh it it it has it's

1021
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,440
a cult classic. I think. I think a lot of

1022
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,800
people enjoy watching it because when I tweeted about it,

1023
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,880
there were many men of a certain age who are

1024
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,960
very interested in this. That's it for me this week,

1025
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,800
though I didn't have much time. If you'd like to

1026
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,599
email the show tell me what you think of the

1027
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,800
thirteenth Warrior, please do so at radio at the Federalist

1028
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dot com. You'll be back next week. Until then, you

1029
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lovers of freedom dress, Yes, beautiful love the dress which

1030
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is now