Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. It
Speaker 1: is episode one O two. I'm Mike Mahardy, your host
Speaker 1: as always here with Dan Rikert, Hey and Mary.
Speaker 2: Fuck cool cool.
Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore. Let me restart. Hey, what
Speaker 1: was the bit I used to like sound disappointed that
Speaker 1: I was in tro I'm Mike Mahardy, your host is
Speaker 1: always here with Dan Riikert, Hello and Mary.
Speaker 2: Kish A little more, a little more, a little more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: Down south Nan.
Speaker 2: They refer to Porta Viera Me.
Speaker 1: What were you doing there?
Speaker 2: Is my first time. I've never been to Mexico before,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to get away from Portland's reign in
Speaker 2: the Pacific. Northwest has a really heavy rain season that's
Speaker 2: usually like four months long. So we escaped for five
Speaker 2: days and went to porta Verta. I don't know a
Speaker 2: lot about the different areas of Mexico, but porta Verta
Speaker 2: is very touristy. It's like, very clearly built to sit
Speaker 2: on a beach, have people bring you margarita's and that's it,
Speaker 2: and then you just sit there and you get drunk.
Speaker 3: Have you been to Cabo? It sounds like Cabo to me.
Speaker 2: It sounds like Cabo. I have not been to.
Speaker 4: Cabo, Okay, very resort and touristy, yeah, I said on
Speaker 4: the beach, all inclusive stuff like, yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 2: You don't really see too much like authentic culture. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's built around the tourism. But that's okay
Speaker 2: for me. I also like to experience like what it
Speaker 2: is to really you know, walk around and enjoy the sites.
Speaker 2: But for this trip, I just kind of wanted to
Speaker 2: relax and shell. I did do a food tour, which
Speaker 2: was pretty sick because they took us to ate different
Speaker 2: food trucks and I had different types of tacos and
Speaker 2: each food truck was a different taco. But they were
Speaker 2: all so good and I had more tacos than I
Speaker 2: could eat.
Speaker 3: Were any of them even remotely resembling of like a
Speaker 3: Taco Bell taco?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a Caesadia Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, well, Taco White. Because here's the thing.
Speaker 4: I've been to a million like authentic Mexican places, and
Speaker 4: of course, you know, like they're great, but like I
Speaker 4: am always a bit shocked that, like because my knowledge,
Speaker 4: my dumb American knowledge of Mexican food is Taco Bell
Speaker 4: which is not a Mexican food and everything's just drenched
Speaker 4: and cheese, not even taco bell. If you just go
Speaker 4: to like growing up in Kansas City, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 4: all these you know, quote unquote Mexican places were just
Speaker 4: like giant caeso bowls and everything's drenched in cheese. And
Speaker 4: then you go to an authentic place and it's like,
Speaker 4: that's not what it's like. So what was the cheese
Speaker 4: factor on your trip?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think this is a fair question from you specifically,
Speaker 2: like how.
Speaker 1: You you couched it and saying it's a fair question
Speaker 1: from you specifically, So.
Speaker 3: I understand it. Yes, I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: It's just a funny phrase. Sorry.
Speaker 2: There are food trucks that are very focused on the
Speaker 2: meat and the salsa, which is very important to most
Speaker 2: of these food trucks, which are like local people. These
Speaker 2: are people who make their living doing this, and so
Speaker 2: they are making these salsas by scratch, and they are
Speaker 2: sourcing their own meat and making them and so there's
Speaker 2: no cheese on those tacos. That taco consists of usually
Speaker 2: pork and or beef and then cilantro and maybe maybe
Speaker 2: some onions and other than that. Everything is the salsa
Speaker 2: that you're putting on top of it, and they have
Speaker 2: lots of different forms of it, whether it's pico digaya
Speaker 2: or something really spicy. And that's it. But we went
Speaker 2: to a very specific truck where they make caesadillas, and
Speaker 2: I swear to god, it was some of the best
Speaker 2: cheese I've ever had. And I was really impressed with
Speaker 2: the cheese flavor. Have you ever had like something that
Speaker 2: has a lot of cheese on it and you can
Speaker 2: chew it and you can taste it and it's stretchy
Speaker 2: and it sounds good, but there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: flavor going on in the cheese. Like the cheese does
Speaker 2: have a.
Speaker 3: Taste, Yeah, not all cheese has a strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even like sometimes nacho cheese, it's not tasty. It's
Speaker 2: like more of a dipping excursion. It's like avocado.
Speaker 4: It's like a texture thing. It's like avocado doesn't have
Speaker 4: the strongest flavor, but it's like pleasurable to eat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can put stuff in it that tastes good. Right,
Speaker 2: That's how guawk exists. And I feel the same way
Speaker 2: with queso, which is like a queso in America at
Speaker 2: least like we have like all this crap that we
Speaker 2: put in it, so it gives cheese, nacho cheese like
Speaker 2: a lot of flavor. So in these food trucks, the
Speaker 2: cheese that they put on these tacos is so flavorful
Speaker 2: and they tasted great. One of my favorite dishes that
Speaker 2: I had the whole trip was just straight up it
Speaker 2: was just beef and cheese and it came with tortillas,
Speaker 2: and you scooped beef and cheese in these tortillas and
Speaker 2: then you just you just mungnged them down and they
Speaker 2: were so jam packed full of flavor. I thought of
Speaker 2: you when I had them, and I wrote the restaurant's
Speaker 2: name down and I'll send it to you. And it
Speaker 2: was fricking great. It was just like the one. There's differences,
Speaker 2: I just want to clarify, Like the restaurant is like
Speaker 2: a touristy restaurant and then the food trucks are like
Speaker 2: this is a mom and pop situation, so it's different experiences.
Speaker 2: But either time, when I had a quesadilla, it was like,
Speaker 2: this cheese is fantastic. I loved the cheese there and
Speaker 2: I would do it again. Also, the food trucks were
Speaker 2: insanely cheap. Four people we ate dinner at a food
Speaker 2: truck for ten bucks.
Speaker 3: Ten bucks total total. Oh shit, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: I know you have a.
Speaker 1: Lot of good it's not.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of Margarita's. I am a mez
Speaker 2: cow girl, so I did a lot of mez cows
Speaker 2: smoky drinks.
Speaker 1: Does in Jalisco, I believe, which is where most tequila
Speaker 1: comes from.
Speaker 2: They had they had tequila tours. I didn't do a
Speaker 2: tequila tour. I only did the food tour I was.
Speaker 2: I was not adventurous this trip. I didn't do any excursions.
Speaker 2: I didn't like. I didn't ride my bike, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I didn't like. I didn't do shit.
Speaker 2: I specifically did one food tour and then the rest
Speaker 2: of the trip I basically sat on a beach and
Speaker 2: ordered drinks. If you go to these beach clubs, you
Speaker 2: can just sit and order drinks, and then often people
Speaker 2: will actually come up to you with like little things
Speaker 2: in case you want to buy little knickknacks, you know,
Speaker 2: like what they have so many different things, but you know,
Speaker 2: just knickknacks that you might want to take home. And
Speaker 2: I sat there for two days and that was it
Speaker 2: then my trip was over, so it went really quick.
Speaker 2: When you do a whole lot of nothing, I read
Speaker 2: it was nice. I think there's other people who are like,
Speaker 2: aren't you bored? I was like, I chose to be bored.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be bored. Yeah, I like paid to
Speaker 2: be bored, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: We we're uh, we just booked ten days in Ireland
Speaker 1: in June, and we liked what we did in France,
Speaker 1: whereas like there's that section in the middle where we
Speaker 1: kind of just relaxed, went to a nice hotel, did
Speaker 1: not do much at all. But we've been we've been
Speaker 1: on trips too where it's like we we're usually pretty adventurous,
Speaker 1: but also it's just awesome to not do shit for
Speaker 1: a while and also be away from home, so then
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about all this responsibilities you have when
Speaker 1: you come back, and you're also just not thinking about
Speaker 1: doing shit, so it's extra relaxing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of people who are like, I need
Speaker 2: a vacation after that vacation because it was very exhausting
Speaker 2: and they did a lot. I think this is an
Speaker 2: interesting topic because I have a girlfriend who's husband vacations
Speaker 2: very differently than she does. She's a relaxing girly like me.
Speaker 2: She likes to sit and do nothing. She wants to
Speaker 2: sleep in on her holidays and like worry about what
Speaker 2: she's gonna eat for dinner that night, Like that's what
Speaker 2: she wants to do. He's the opposite. He's like, I'm
Speaker 2: paying a lot of money to be in this amazing country.
Speaker 2: We need to do an excursion every day so that
Speaker 2: we're seeing this place and we're experiencing it and like
Speaker 2: meeting other locals and other people on this adventure, and
Speaker 2: we have lots of memories. And they both have valid
Speaker 2: things that they want, but they're extremely different. And on
Speaker 2: their honeymoon, they got into it because he was like,
Speaker 2: come on, we gotta make this boat tour by four.
Speaker 2: And she was like, I don't want to fucking walk
Speaker 2: anymore today. And he was like, but the boat tour
Speaker 2: and she was like, but my fucking like life, I
Speaker 2: don't care. I don't care about the boat, I don't
Speaker 2: care about the culture anymore. I don't care about the experiences.
Speaker 2: I want to sit by a pool and have a nap.
Speaker 2: And they had they like had like a big spat
Speaker 2: about it and now on their vacations, they're still like
Speaker 2: married and in love, but they like recognized on that
Speaker 2: trip that they were very different vacationers, and so now
Speaker 2: they plan for it and they have specific days where
Speaker 2: he goes on an excursion by himself and she sits
Speaker 2: and does fucking fuck all and then they come back
Speaker 2: and they're more in love than ever. But they had
Speaker 2: to like figure that out.
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, there's there's something to that.
Speaker 4: I feel like like when Bonka and I travel, uh,
Speaker 4: I think you know, she does a lot of the planning.
Speaker 3: Uh, Like like with the Rubo when we went there, and.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, so we're gonna have these days where
Speaker 4: it's like we're gonna get up in the morning, we're
Speaker 4: gonna do We're gonna ride horses by the shore and
Speaker 4: do all this stuff, and then we got a really
Speaker 4: nice like dinner reserve for later in the evening. But
Speaker 4: then there's this four hour chunk in between where it's
Speaker 4: specifically we're keeping this open so we can just kind
Speaker 4: of like hang out and walk along the beach.
Speaker 3: Or just kind of explore or go to a bar
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 4: And I think that was that's a good mix, you know,
Speaker 4: because like you go to a place like that and
Speaker 4: you want be able to relax, but also you want
Speaker 4: to like parasale and ride horses and do all that stuff,
Speaker 4: so you can kind of get both of your planet, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a balance some of the some of like the
Speaker 1: relaxing days end up being my favorite.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like again, halfway through our long French trip, there was
Speaker 1: one day when both of us were exhausted and well,
Speaker 1: we don't have anything, plants just kind of wander around.
Speaker 1: We ended up stumbling on supposedly one of the more
Speaker 1: famous like farmers markets in central France. Ended up just
Speaker 1: cooking at the airbnb that night and having wine from
Speaker 1: around the area that we had found, which was awesome
Speaker 1: and did not have to stay up past like nine
Speaker 1: thirty pm.
Speaker 3: Alright, yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker 2: I think the mix is good. You don't want to
Speaker 2: like you don't want to do nothing your whole trip either,
Speaker 2: and like have no memories, like because even sitting by
Speaker 2: the pool it's nice, but like you probably want to
Speaker 2: have a couple good fun things that happened. I just
Speaker 2: think I'm more of a spur of the moment person,
Speaker 2: not a planned adventure person. On our last night, where like,
Speaker 2: it's our last night, let's go out, And so we
Speaker 2: googled a couple of clubs last minute. We stumbled into
Speaker 2: them and it turned out that they were great and
Speaker 2: the DJ was super fun and we danced until four
Speaker 2: in the morning, and that's awesome. So like, you can
Speaker 2: do both, it's just that that mix. Are you a planner, Mike,
Speaker 2: Like are you planning excursions and trips?
Speaker 1: Or I'm more of a planner than my wife. We
Speaker 1: both liked to I think we both like the balance.
Speaker 1: Like for Ireland, for example, we've got we booked a
Speaker 1: restaurant in each city we're gonna We're going from Dublin
Speaker 1: to Cork to Galway, but we're leaving some time to
Speaker 1: find some like roadside pubs and spots between and little
Speaker 1: fishing towns. But I'm generally the one who planned stuff.
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely not opposed at all to sitting by
Speaker 1: a pool and not doing shit. Like our our mini
Speaker 1: moon right after the wedding, we did not do much
Speaker 1: at all, but I definitely make most of the restaurant reservations.
Speaker 1: What is this? Oh we did stuff? Oh yeah, we did,
Speaker 1: Come on, we did some stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh my God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, went through like three packs of Magnums. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, just clarifying. So I was sick though
Speaker 1: what else is new? Oh, I've been I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: keep going. We have been watching the Bond movies. We're
Speaker 1: almost back to Daniel Craig. Uh, some revelations along the way.
Speaker 1: Roger Moore was in was Bond for way too long?
Speaker 3: But he is the most right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got six or seven and we liked him
Speaker 1: at first, even though his first movie was weird and
Speaker 1: bad and racist. But his first one Live and Let Die.
Speaker 1: But by the end, uh, his last one was A
Speaker 1: View to a Kill, which Christopher Walking was the villain.
Speaker 1: I actually liked it more than I thought I would
Speaker 1: based on That's like when is the Henchwoman. He's get
Speaker 1: a he got he gets a blimp, brings it to
Speaker 1: the San Francisco Silicon Valley. His plan is to do
Speaker 1: this underwater earthquake that destroys Silicon Valley so then his
Speaker 1: criminal syndicate can manufacture all the computer chips. I actually
Speaker 1: liked it. It was dumb, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Now, which one? What was the last one you watched?
Speaker 1: We just finished we just started to die another day
Speaker 1: before recording.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, because, like I the first one that came
Speaker 4: out while I was old enough to like watch movies
Speaker 4: was Golden Eye, which we've talked about. But like, I've
Speaker 4: seen every all the Brows and ones, and then I
Speaker 4: saw the Craig Ones up until Specter, so I haven't
Speaker 4: seen Specter or No Time to Die. And I've heard
Speaker 4: Specter was terrible boring, and then I heard most people
Speaker 4: liked No Time to Die. So it's like, if I
Speaker 4: want to go back, I'm curious, should I watch No
Speaker 4: Time to Die and just skip Specter.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Specter does set up. I think it's Leah Sadu's
Speaker 1: that her character is pretty huge and No Time to Die.
Speaker 1: No Time to Die is really long. Specter is boring,
Speaker 1: is the worst part, if memory serves Yeah, I'll confirm
Speaker 1: that when we get back. But from what I remember,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to just read a Wikipedia, I
Speaker 1: do think Specter's kind of integral too. No Time to
Speaker 1: Die Okay, I do remember liking No Time to Die.
Speaker 4: Okay, I feel like I should check it out because
Speaker 4: it'srobably gonna be the last Craig One, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it is. And who knows what's going
Speaker 1: to happen now that Amazon owns all that shit, right?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I uh, I don't think this is that
Speaker 1: unpopular of an opinion. But rewatching them, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: Golden Eye is Pierce Brosnan's like only good Bond.
Speaker 4: I remember Die Another Day was like, it has some
Speaker 4: so stupid, they're kind of fun things between like the
Speaker 4: laser and surfing on the snow and.
Speaker 3: The Madonna fencing thing.
Speaker 4: Car has the invisible car the woman. I used to
Speaker 4: be like, yeah, it's the guy who was diamonds in
Speaker 4: his face. It's it's play stupid. Yeah, I kind of
Speaker 4: liked it's.
Speaker 1: Entertaining so far. We're about halfway through. I used to
Speaker 1: like when I was younger, world is not enough. Just
Speaker 1: rewatching that with Christmas Jones, Denise Richards.
Speaker 3: Who right, Christmas only comes once a year.
Speaker 1: I thought Christmas only came once a year, which, let's
Speaker 1: be clear, is a phenomenal line. The rest of them
Speaker 1: a really good one. Yes, the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: The movie though, is really bad dialogue but.
Speaker 4: Terry Hatcher and right right and Sophie uh, who's the
Speaker 4: French lady?
Speaker 3: That was in a movie about dogs. She was one
Speaker 3: of the Bond girls during one of those.
Speaker 4: And then Timothy the bad guy, the tech, the Elon
Speaker 4: type dude, and Tomorrow Never Dies.
Speaker 3: Jonathan Price.
Speaker 1: I think Jonathan Price was Yeah, he was like he
Speaker 1: was the media mogul who was like creating wars to
Speaker 1: get his broadcasting station bigger. And he's talking about how
Speaker 1: much of a genius he is the whole time. Yet
Speaker 1: he can't foresee that broadcast news would be dying in
Speaker 1: like four years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's a Katzenberg making quibi. He thought he
Speaker 3: was a genius.
Speaker 1: Michelle Yeo is his like, uh, what's the word I'm
Speaker 1: looking for? Or like a Chinese counterpart, Chinese intelligence counterpart
Speaker 1: and Tomorrow Never Dies. World is The World is not Enough.
Speaker 1: It's Denise Richards. I forget who plays Electra who ends
Speaker 1: up being the real villain. She's just pretending that she
Speaker 1: was kidnapped. Spoilers I this move two ninety nine. I think.
Speaker 3: Sophie Marceau. That's who I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1: What was she in? She was in She's in one
Speaker 1: of what we're just talking about. It might be electric.
Speaker 1: The World is not enough Electra, right, yeah, yes, Electric King.
Speaker 1: Yeah she's good. Yeah, yeah, she's a babe. They all
Speaker 1: are weird, I know. So really excited to get back
Speaker 1: to Casino Royle, which is one of the best. I've
Speaker 1: been ranking all of them.
Speaker 2: Do you have like an actual list of the rank.
Speaker 1: Yep, you want to hear my current one? So we
Speaker 1: have not finished by another day. I've watched nineteen. It
Speaker 1: might take a few. People are going to go crazy
Speaker 1: over it.
Speaker 2: Are you doing it? Can you do it? From? What
Speaker 2: do you want to see? I think interesting to start
Speaker 2: with my favorite, Okay.
Speaker 1: Because I don't think my favorite. I think my favorite
Speaker 1: will catch people off guard. Thunderball with Sean Connery specifically,
Speaker 1: because that was the first one where I feel like
Speaker 1: they finally started actually like doing a bunch of cool
Speaker 1: ass set pieces, and the dialogue is nowhere near good
Speaker 1: enough in that era to carry the movie by itself.
Speaker 1: The globe trotting gets old after like four movies. Thunderball
Speaker 1: is awesome. There's this whole sequence where they like stop
Speaker 1: a jet and it goes underwater and a bunch of
Speaker 1: divers attack it and take the bombs out, and then
Speaker 1: they put netting over it to hide it. It's great.
Speaker 1: From Russia.
Speaker 2: Would ask you another question, did you watch them insequential order?
Speaker 1: We are? Yeah, we got the Blu Ray collection.
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: It was on sale for like twenty dollars a few
Speaker 1: months ago. I was like, I should get this because
Speaker 1: I don't know why not from Russia would Love is
Speaker 1: my second. I don't think that'll surprise anybody.
Speaker 3: Never saw it.
Speaker 1: It's good, it's slow, it's it feels more like a
Speaker 1: like Criterion movie, but it's just him what's his name,
Speaker 1: Quint from Jaws? Uh oh, Yeah, he's like his Russian
Speaker 1: like assassin stalking him the whole movie. It's cool, like
Speaker 1: Cat and Mouse. GoldenEye is my third one. Were you
Speaker 1: watching Golden Eye? That movie is still great?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really good.
Speaker 1: The whole Sean or yeah, Sean being Alec Trevellian, like
Speaker 1: the fact that he I'd never paid attention to the
Speaker 1: whole leenns Cossack backstory with him when I was younger,
Speaker 1: the group that was like sided with the Nazis, then
Speaker 1: at the end of the war agreed to help the British,
Speaker 1: and then the British like killed a bunch of them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they manufactured a lot of that
Speaker 1: for I gotta I have not. I don't remember that.
Speaker 3: I've seen that movie ten times. I don't remember that
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 1: That's like his whole motivation. He wants revenge on the
Speaker 1: British government, so he infiltrated am I. He became double
Speaker 1: O six.
Speaker 3: There's parts of that movie I remember very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, still really good. Goldfingererfore Licensed to Kill Dalton. Yes
Speaker 1: that he did two movies and I loved both of them.
Speaker 1: And he's awesome. He might be my like third favorite
Speaker 1: Bond after Craig and Pierce Brosnan. He is alive. Look
Speaker 1: at that kill for him. The last thing I saw
Speaker 1: killed Timothy. He was in hot Fuzz.
Speaker 3: He was like the right, Yes he is.
Speaker 1: Living. Daylights was his first one. So he's got the
Speaker 1: five and six spot right now. Man with the Golden Gun,
Speaker 1: which I don't think a lot of people love, but
Speaker 1: I liked it quite a bit. It was really dumb.
Speaker 1: It's just Sean Connery versus Christopher Lee, who is the
Speaker 1: man with the Golden Gun who just invites people to
Speaker 1: his island and brings him into a funhouse and then
Speaker 1: like makes challenges for himself to kill them.
Speaker 3: This sounds great. That's like years.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you should watch Man with a Golden Gun.
Speaker 3: You just christ I wouldn't kill anyone. I would just
Speaker 3: like throw pies in their faces.
Speaker 2: Man with Cheese Gun. This one, I don't expect you
Speaker 2: to do anything, mister Bond to just die. And you're
Speaker 2: eating so minute Sachs. You're eating a chili she's bean burrito.
Speaker 2: Will you try and laser his groin.
Speaker 3: That's a good time.
Speaker 1: That's just good Friday night. I think this one will
Speaker 1: be controversial. Number eight for me right now is Her
Speaker 1: Majesty's Secret Service. First one on Her Majesty's Secret Service. No,
Speaker 1: George Lazenbee's Only.
Speaker 3: I thought that was the first one.
Speaker 1: Mm. He came after Sean Connery and then it went
Speaker 1: awry and they brought Sean Connery back for Never Say
Speaker 1: Never Again. No, that was the non aon film one.
Speaker 1: He did another one it's here somewhere on this list,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember which one. Then Tomorrow Never Dies,
Speaker 1: and then For Your Eyes Only, which was Roger Moore,
Speaker 1: but they did it. That was like Grease and Turkey.
Speaker 1: They did some like revenge stuff there where the Bond
Speaker 1: girl wanted to kill James. What did I just say
Speaker 1: for yours the Spy who Loved Me, which is when
Speaker 1: he gets married and then his wife dies right at
Speaker 1: the end, okay, and he doesn't seem to care that much.
Speaker 1: I forgot how long they carry that through. Now that
Speaker 1: I say it out loud, I don't think I like
Speaker 1: that movie You Only Live Twice, which is oh thirteen.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately you only Live twice, Sean Connery basically does yellow
Speaker 1: face he e, so, uh that's not great. No, there
Speaker 1: is like a huge kung fu fight towards the end,
Speaker 1: and uh there's a secret base center a volcano. That's
Speaker 1: Those parts sound all right when I describe all these
Speaker 1: out loud. I don't think I liked any of them.
Speaker 1: The World is not at fourteen. Live and Let Die
Speaker 1: at fifteen, which is Roger Moore's first one, and they
Speaker 1: do a lot of the like like voodoo culture kind
Speaker 1: of shit that they do terribly. That not that that's shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's shit in the movie
Speaker 1: A View to a Kill Octopussy, which was terrible. Diamonds
Speaker 1: Are Forever, which is like Vegas and awful. Although there
Speaker 1: are the two henchmen in Diamonds Are Forever that are
Speaker 1: very weird and actually kind of have something to do
Speaker 1: with an email or we got for later. And then
Speaker 1: Moonraker it's as bad as everybody says, but like it's
Speaker 1: main moon Breaker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not even a good name.
Speaker 3: I think it's an awesome name.
Speaker 2: It's not a moon Raker a laser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a laser. But also the movie's boring as shit.
Speaker 1: And it came out, I believe, like right after Star Wars,
Speaker 1: so they're like, oh, we got we gotta do some
Speaker 1: sci fi stuff, gotta.
Speaker 2: Do moon stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's so weird, it's so hot right now.
Speaker 4: I just I have the only one before a Brozenan
Speaker 4: movie or GoldenEye that I've seen is I think that's
Speaker 4: a Goldfinger in college. But I think I was just
Speaker 4: so into GoldenEye the movie and specifically the game, which
Speaker 4: the game does some things where it's like you can
Speaker 4: unlock Baron, Semite and Jaws and Odd Job and all
Speaker 4: this stuff, and then you've got the moon Raker laser
Speaker 4: and all this shit that like there was a period
Speaker 4: I was just like looking up a lot of Bond stuff,
Speaker 4: so like I know all the Bonds and I know
Speaker 4: a lot of the big beats of all the movies
Speaker 4: and stuff, but I've basically just seen Brosnan and Craig
Speaker 4: and not even all those. But it's just like through osmosis,
Speaker 4: through being obsessed with the game, I think I learned
Speaker 4: like so much about that.
Speaker 2: That's cool that you got to like have all that
Speaker 2: there are. There are the ladies in the games, I
Speaker 2: feel like they're.
Speaker 4: Not and multiplayer, oh yeah, yeah, there's like a boss
Speaker 4: fight against Zenia in GoldenEye. There's a lot of like
Speaker 4: protecting Natalia from GoldenEye on.
Speaker 1: That and then may Days in it. She's a unlock
Speaker 1: character in multiplayer. Sure, sure, yeah, So not mentioning some
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 4: I mean, the only one that's really really great is
Speaker 4: Golden There's a lot of good ones, like the PS
Speaker 4: two era. I had some good Bond games. It's a
Speaker 4: really cool thing they did from Russia with love Is.
Speaker 4: They like brought Connery back when Connery was probably like
Speaker 4: seventy or at least late sixties, and they had and yeah,
Speaker 4: they had Connery voice Bond again for the first time
Speaker 4: in forever. When this game came out in like probably
Speaker 4: the mid to late two thousands, and I just thought
Speaker 4: that was a really cool thing for games, Like, all right,
Speaker 4: we can have him be young Bond again. He still
Speaker 4: sounds like Sean Connery, does he.
Speaker 2: Still sound like it. I feel like when you're seventy,
Speaker 2: you kind of sound like you're seventy.
Speaker 4: I remember not being I mean, i'd have to go back.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it forever, but like I remember thinking
Speaker 4: like this is cool, Like wasn't the best game in
Speaker 4: the world, but I thought it's like this was a
Speaker 4: noble attempt at doing something cool here.
Speaker 2: That's cool. I mean, I just like they didn't get
Speaker 2: the original actor for Indiana Jones game, you know, like
Speaker 2: he's seventy.
Speaker 4: Super worked out though, Like, yeah, they got him for
Speaker 4: the movie. They got Harrison Ford for the movie. Did
Speaker 4: a bunch of shitty the aging, but then you got
Speaker 4: Terry Baker to do the voice, which is.
Speaker 2: In the opposite though, right, Like, don't.
Speaker 1: D Indiana Baker in the movie and.
Speaker 2: Get the O G voice because all he has to
Speaker 2: do is do his little quips against the Nazis, which
Speaker 2: he can do.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I heard the Harrison Ford Conan podcast and he sounds
Speaker 4: like an old man for sure, but he's still like
Speaker 4: he's super there, Like he still has all of that
Speaker 4: wit and he's fucking hilarious on the Conen podcast and like,
Speaker 4: so he's.
Speaker 1: I love seeing old guy that.
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, that's still even though he doesn't look
Speaker 4: the same or walk the same or talk the same,
Speaker 4: like he's still that guy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He's very funny and shrinking.
Speaker 3: And I've heard I've heard the shows good It.
Speaker 2: And Shrinking, and people are talking about that show a lot.
Speaker 2: And I finally ended up watching it and it's great
Speaker 2: and it is really worth watching. I think it's a
Speaker 2: fantastic just a great acted show from everyone. But he's
Speaker 2: kind of a star. He's kind of a comic relief,
Speaker 2: which is so odd, and it has some serious subject
Speaker 2: matter in it, and anytime he's in the room, we're
Speaker 2: just like, you know that old Coot's gonna like accidentally
Speaker 2: take too many mushrooms, Like he's gonna do something. You know,
Speaker 2: he's gonna do something wacky. He ends up just always
Speaker 2: being the comedic relief in every scene.
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of old guys getting paid, Like
Speaker 4: you know, so Irison for it. I feel like was
Speaker 4: gone for like fifteen years and then he pops up.
Speaker 4: Now he's just doing car commercials, showing up and move homes.
Speaker 1: And just getting paid. What's that? Oh yeah, a whole guard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: John Carpenter is in that same category.
Speaker 4: I think like de Niro is fully DeNiro and Pacino
Speaker 4: are both in full on like, hey, we did our
Speaker 4: stuff where we want our oscars and did our art
Speaker 4: house corse asy stuff, and they can still dabble in that, honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, they will just show up in a Sandler movie
Speaker 4: or a Meet the Fokkers and just get paid, and
Speaker 4: I have all the respect in the world.
Speaker 1: Worked. There's an interview with Harrison Ford recently. I think
Speaker 1: it was some just press circuit kind of thing where
Speaker 1: they're like, the interviewer asked him because they had had
Speaker 1: a good report. He's like, so do you feel kind
Speaker 1: of like ridiculous playing the Red Hulk? And Harrison Ford
Speaker 1: like I thought he was gonna be pissed. He's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what the money's for, yeah, paying me to
Speaker 1: be an asshole.
Speaker 4: It's like every comic on where they bring John Carpenter
Speaker 4: out and somebody asks like, so, what are your thoughts
Speaker 4: they're making these new Halloween movies, and some of them
Speaker 4: are being received well, and it's like, you know, like
Speaker 4: this is your baby, and it's like he's so old
Speaker 4: now and he's just like, listen, this is my involvement
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: They say we're gonna make a movie, and then I
Speaker 4: put my hand out and they put a bunch of
Speaker 4: money in it and I say thank you, and then
Speaker 4: I never think.
Speaker 3: About it again. It's like, yeah, fuck, yeah, that guy's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There. I appreciate that they're not like stuck up
Speaker 1: enough to be like, oh, they're ruining my creations, like
Speaker 1: it's it's out of your hands.
Speaker 2: They evolve. I think like there's an element of this
Speaker 2: where the original fan base, who have worked, who have
Speaker 2: put a lot of time and energy into that space,
Speaker 2: have every right to be like, oh, this isn't for me, right.
Speaker 2: This happened with Star Wars time and time again, where
Speaker 2: the original fans are like, you have fucked up this
Speaker 2: thing that I love. Sure, but at some point it's
Speaker 2: actually just not for the original fans anymore. It's for children,
Speaker 2: or it's for like a new generation. It's for a
Speaker 2: new audience, and you have every right to say, oh,
Speaker 2: this isn't for me anymore, and not watch it. But
Speaker 2: you can't hold on to something and try and own it.
Speaker 2: It's just not in our control anymore. Once like the
Speaker 2: cultural zeitgeist has taken it, it might evolve into something
Speaker 2: you don't like, and then that's just that's just the
Speaker 2: way it is, man.
Speaker 4: That's why it's so funny when it's like something like
Speaker 4: a Ghostbusters or an Indaturnal or something that was popular
Speaker 4: among like guys my age, like a new one comes
Speaker 4: out and then like forty year old ass men are
Speaker 4: just like, this isn't for me.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, dude, those.
Speaker 4: Cartoons you watched in the eighties and nineties weren't for
Speaker 4: your forty year old parents either, Like this is our
Speaker 4: new generation here. Like you mentioned Star Wars Mary, that
Speaker 4: was the ultimate one where it's like when that new trilogy,
Speaker 4: the prequel trilogy came out and all these like older fans, now, what.
Speaker 3: The funck jar Jars a kid's character, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, well no, but you talk to kids
Speaker 4: that were like six seven when The Phantom Menace came out,
Speaker 4: and they have very fond, you know, young memories of
Speaker 4: those movies.
Speaker 2: Chargu was very popular with annoying children. They love annoying characters.
Speaker 1: They can see themselves in him.
Speaker 2: They can empathize and relate. And I feel the same
Speaker 2: way with all of the remakes of the Disney classics, right,
Speaker 2: They're like, they keep like remaking my beloved Disney classics
Speaker 2: into real life. I don't like them, but that they're
Speaker 2: not for me. They're not remaking these assex for me.
Speaker 2: They're making them for children to like relive my young
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my experience of seeing Aladdin in theaters. Oh,
Speaker 2: I just have to say, I think we are the
Speaker 2: best generation of all time. I know all generations think this,
Speaker 2: but like, I saw Aladdin in theaters as a child,
Speaker 2: and it was so fucking sick, you guys, And it
Speaker 2: blew my tiny child brain when they did this three
Speaker 2: D part of the of the rug and it was
Speaker 2: like weaving in and out and I was like, you
Speaker 2: can't animate that, that's not possible, and my dad was like,
Speaker 2: three d's here, and it just blew my fucking mind.
Speaker 4: The fucking the sand like lion thing when that opened,
Speaker 4: that looks incredible. That looks so fucking greater. The tower
Speaker 4: when it was rolling and stuff like that was magical shit.
Speaker 4: Like I feel like, yes, Mary, you're right with that
Speaker 4: Disney era. Like when I think about my Disney childhood,
Speaker 4: it is from Aladdin.
Speaker 3: It's Aladdin and it's.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: No, we're gonna we're gonna turn hard on it and
Speaker 4: the Lion King, and it's like, yes, when you're eight
Speaker 4: or ten years old, those were masterful experiences. You know,
Speaker 4: an entire catalog and entire brand obsession. And you're you know, forty,
Speaker 4: then it's a little more troublesome, but you know, they
Speaker 4: did some good stuff back then.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I'm going to go to the
Speaker 2: kingdom that they've constructed for children, you know, get the
Speaker 2: season pass and making your whole personality as a year
Speaker 2: old and get the years for each season. That's That's
Speaker 2: not how far I'm in.
Speaker 1: We just go to Nintendo museums like cool adults. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you get it. Mario, which is like gritty and adult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's totally different.
Speaker 4: Yeah time, yeah, absolutely, yeah, you get it.
Speaker 1: We're cool adults, cool gass geeks. So what's going on
Speaker 1: with you guys?
Speaker 4: Oh? Mary mentioned case earlier. I made a note on
Speaker 4: my game notes document that I need to make a
Speaker 4: case of the because well, no, yeah it does, because
Speaker 4: it literally does, and you get through.
Speaker 2: A case because he doesn't know how to spell it,
Speaker 2: and it's just a circle.
Speaker 4: Whoa, whoa, give me shit where I deserve it?
Speaker 3: Spelling is not that spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets really defensive a spelling bee chops because
Speaker 1: it's actually have I have I asked you to spell
Speaker 1: the word that I weirdly remember the word that the
Speaker 1: kid won the script spelling Bee with in When was
Speaker 1: I in sixth grade? I would have been twelve, so
Speaker 1: that would have been two thousand and three, okay, two
Speaker 1: thousand and three the script Spelling Bee. The word was autocthinous.
Speaker 1: It's a basically a synonym for indigenous. Uh. I don't
Speaker 1: think I could it's autocthinous. I think we did this
Speaker 1: like episode four?
Speaker 3: Is it aut is that it starts?
Speaker 1: Yes, say it again autocthinous?
Speaker 3: Talk oh after that.
Speaker 1: A U T O H yes, T N O us
Speaker 1: say that again, T E n like tenuous t E
Speaker 1: n O us No, but very very close T T
Speaker 1: O N O U.
Speaker 4: S okay okay, like okay, yeah, okay, sure sure, But
Speaker 4: to case it is yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've gotten way off from case.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, case it is to spell it.
Speaker 4: I'm loving cooking a lot, uh, and I'm doing it
Speaker 4: more like you know, I was doing the cocktails stuff
Speaker 4: and everything. I was like, oh, I like doing cocktails,
Speaker 4: but I can't cook. And then it's like telling.
Speaker 1: It this until now I've tell I've been telling you
Speaker 1: to learn how to cook for like ten years and
Speaker 1: you don't give me a text or anything.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna text you every time I see you
Speaker 3: a chicken.
Speaker 4: I So it's started very simple with me just being
Speaker 4: like I need to start eating vegetables and fruits or
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna die quicker than I should.
Speaker 1: And so I just.
Speaker 4: Started doing like, all right, every night, it's gonna be
Speaker 4: a bonelesskinless chicken breast that I see eed. And then
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna make a vegetable and so just be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: here's a souvd chicken breast, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 4: asparagus or something like that.
Speaker 3: And now I'm usually doing two veggies.
Speaker 4: And now I'm I got a cast iron pan and
Speaker 4: I'm doing this searring on that with some canola oil
Speaker 4: and all that tonight, I made a salmon with with
Speaker 4: a roasted carrots and potatoes, and like, I'm doing all
Speaker 4: these things with different seasonings, and uh, I want to
Speaker 4: just keep stretching out, like like the I bought a
Speaker 4: little like tacoholder thing for the air fryer and I'm
Speaker 4: making I'm spreading olive oil on little tortillas and folding
Speaker 4: them up and do an avocado mashing them up and
Speaker 4: made my own taco seasoning. I so like, yeah, when
Speaker 4: I'm a case of the Yeah, it turns out cooking
Speaker 4: super fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3: It's very exciting for me.
Speaker 2: Where come from? Because we are trying to off You
Speaker 2: told us you would cut Dan.
Speaker 1: This is this is I'm actually like this. I'm this
Speaker 1: is not a bit. I'm angry.
Speaker 3: This is not a bit with me either.
Speaker 1: Okay, then I am even more angrier. Dan, go like
Speaker 1: four episodes. I fucking told you, once you start cooking,
Speaker 1: you'll love it. I believe me. No, I'm not fucking
Speaker 1: I believe your hammerd thing. You don't listen to people.
Speaker 1: I think I feel like a lot of people take
Speaker 1: this personally or it's just like damn, I told you this.
Speaker 1: It's like Look, anyone who hears me say something that
Speaker 1: I forget it, it's.
Speaker 4: Like, just no, that's everyone. Minatti does it every fucking
Speaker 4: time on Blake Love.
Speaker 1: A solipsistic person and you're a narcissist. What got you
Speaker 1: past the stove? What got you past your sphere of flames?
Speaker 3: Wanting vegetables in my life and trying to figure out that.
Speaker 1: But you had this whole thing about you, how you
Speaker 1: couldn't find time to make broccoli because you got to
Speaker 1: beat all these video games. Where did you get the time?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, you got to change your
Speaker 4: schedule around a little bit, and like like today, I
Speaker 4: spent like an hour in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not. I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm maybe you incepted it into his brain, Like have
Speaker 2: you ever considered the.
Speaker 1: Fact that you are his hero? Get any you could
Speaker 1: find time to make broccoli? I think you're fucking with me.
Speaker 2: Maybe you've him.
Speaker 1: I swear to fucking God, I'm not with you.
Speaker 2: I was fucking there. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: I remember a conversation. I do remember that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, because I was even talking about just brocoli
Speaker 4: in the air fryer, which takes like ten fucking minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know if my well, you know what, Maybe
Speaker 4: that was during the time I was traveling NonStop, and
Speaker 4: I've actually had a couple months off of traveling, So
Speaker 4: maybe that's the no.
Speaker 1: You said you literally ran through your entire day's schedule
Speaker 1: with us Mary and I did the math. I definitely
Speaker 1: remember hours. You said these videos.
Speaker 2: I put forty five minutes down for teeth, remember that.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's too much, And now that's I'm done with
Speaker 4: the tooth stuff now, So maybe that's it. Maybe my
Speaker 4: tooth stuff got figured out. Now I'm finding all the time.
Speaker 2: His teeth is now five minutes, and now there's forty
Speaker 2: minutes extra for broccoli.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tooth is easy now. I swear to God. I
Speaker 1: swear to fucking I'm so fucking if you one day
Speaker 1: decide to spend like six months getting into wine and
Speaker 1: then you do it a bit on the show where
Speaker 1: and you just catch I don't bring up like a
Speaker 1: difference between Kyanti and Kianti Classico.
Speaker 4: I think I've gone as far as I can now
Speaker 4: with the white. I went from being like I'll never
Speaker 4: drink this because my dad says it's for high maintenance
Speaker 4: women and only that the whole time I was grown up.
Speaker 1: Then I came round and became it. Yeah, I'm behind me.
Speaker 1: That is what my dad thinks of Mike.
Speaker 3: Yes, lady, that's.
Speaker 1: What I'm That's like exactly what I'm going for. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got past all that old Paul's stuff and I
Speaker 1: got to the boy.
Speaker 4: Now we's like, oh, every once in a while, I
Speaker 4: want to have some drinks. I will just pop open
Speaker 4: a bottle of wine. And I think, you know, I've tried,
Speaker 4: you know, the fine wines, and I've tried you know, like, well, no,
Speaker 4: not I know what you're talking about. But I've had
Speaker 4: the ones that you've recommended, like when we go to
Speaker 4: restaurants and stuff like that, and.
Speaker 1: It's like it's good, It's all good. But I definitely
Speaker 1: don't have the palette to like I I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm going to become a like wine guy
Speaker 1: on that level. I just and a guy who enjoys
Speaker 1: wine on occasion, now, which is I meant. I could
Speaker 1: see you doing it to spite me. That would be funny,
Speaker 1: I know, and I'd be pissed, but I know more
Speaker 1: than you.
Speaker 2: But I don't think he would do it to destroy you.
Speaker 2: I think he would do it just to watch you squirm.
Speaker 1: But what I meant by the stove thing is what
Speaker 1: you had, like this fear of it. I know that
Speaker 1: you decided you needed to it was like Bianca helping
Speaker 1: you or did you watch videos on how to use it?
Speaker 1: What got you past? Just the actual like anxious fear
Speaker 1: of using it.
Speaker 4: A big part of it was just like the splattering
Speaker 4: of Like it was just like a murder scene every
Speaker 4: time I put a chicken breast on the thing. And
Speaker 4: now I'm just realizing now, like more like what oil
Speaker 4: to use, how much oil to use? The specific thing
Speaker 4: is padding down the chicken breast or the salmon, Like
Speaker 4: when it comes to I'm patting it the fuck down,
Speaker 4: it is pretty dry by the time I put it
Speaker 4: in there. So yeah, so I'm just getting better at that.
Speaker 4: So honestly, YouTube has been very very helpful with that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I like those, I got some good recipes, food delivery
Speaker 2: services that give you like the chicken and the recipe.
Speaker 2: Those are really nice to teach you some basics.
Speaker 4: It was really helpful because, like I've done a couple
Speaker 4: of sponsorship things on Twitch with like Hello Fresh and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, and it's like, Okay, you're just gonna
Speaker 4: give me all the stuff, tell me step by step
Speaker 4: what to do.
Speaker 3: Like that was a pretty good intro to that.
Speaker 2: Hello Fresh is a great intro to cooking. I really
Speaker 2: do think so they're all about the same, right, I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone is like way above the other. They
Speaker 2: all kind of deliver you the meat and the sauce,
Speaker 2: but they give you lots of tips and tricks of
Speaker 2: like seasoning and make patting it down. And a lot
Speaker 2: of the times I was amazed with how often I
Speaker 2: was like, so, wait, you're telling me this sauce is
Speaker 2: just the chicken crusties on the pan and butter and
Speaker 2: like sour cream and that's it and that's my sauce.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I can do that. And
Speaker 2: so eventually I didn't use those anymore because I was
Speaker 2: learning that I can make a sauce from like the
Speaker 2: shit in my house. I could figure it out. But
Speaker 2: having that foundational knowledge of how to make a sauce
Speaker 2: for your chicken is really nice to have.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and like you know, like taco seasoning and
Speaker 4: stuff like that was something I never thought of in
Speaker 4: my life. And then when I learned like, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: I just you know, I'll get a little bowl and
Speaker 4: I'll put some like cumin and some chili powder and
Speaker 4: make it pepper and paprika and stuff like I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna make my own little mix here, and then you
Speaker 4: can like tweak things or it's like, oh, I really
Speaker 4: like the taste of cuman, I'm gonna be a little
Speaker 4: heavier on that, and it's what to hell.
Speaker 2: I think that's cool. I like that you're you're excited
Speaker 2: about it. I do. I also like that it pisses
Speaker 2: Mike off, So I think I'm benefiting from both ends.
Speaker 1: I'm no guy, I'm very glad you're cooking.
Speaker 6: It's just an angry guy.
Speaker 3: Hey, why don't you chill out and have a sot
Speaker 3: on yon.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're trying to say. They're
Speaker 1: for like both all three syllables. I'm glad you're cooking.
Speaker 1: I you don't sound glad. I wish I had recommended
Speaker 1: it even harder.
Speaker 2: I wish I had recommended we spend a full hour
Speaker 2: trying to convince you. And I think for the record,
Speaker 2: I think that information went somewhere into the recis of
Speaker 2: Dan's brain and he did not acknowledge it, and he
Speaker 2: may never acknowledge it. But you might have flipped the
Speaker 2: switch that started his credit.
Speaker 1: I just want to it's not credit. It's like I
Speaker 1: I want to know my voice is heard.
Speaker 4: It is in the moment, and then it's forgotten and
Speaker 4: then it comes back.
Speaker 3: But I think it was my idea.
Speaker 1: Do you sit up straight, like bolt up right in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, be like I can cook.
Speaker 3: No, I feel like I'm coming to these realizations by myself.
Speaker 2: That's how that I.
Speaker 1: Keep talking back to with you, Dan, is you keep
Speaker 1: bringing things up or we recommend things. We're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I think this would be good for your life, and
Speaker 1: you know, add some like I think there's also a
Speaker 1: meditative aspect to cooking that's really nice. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: like I recommend those things because you've said before, I'm
Speaker 1: good at recommending games and movies, Like I think I've
Speaker 1: maybe missed it once. You're great with recommendation. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're cooking. It's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like an hour I was thinking that today
Speaker 4: because it's like you can't just like my head is
Speaker 4: usually in a million different places. I'm just thinking of
Speaker 4: something stuffing my toe and I'm just like all over
Speaker 4: the place, falling downstairs and shit.
Speaker 3: And it's like when you're cooking.
Speaker 4: I got this sharp ass chef knife and I'm chopping
Speaker 4: up the town working with her.
Speaker 1: I have to be And it's like a sometimes that
Speaker 1: you can enjoy that you made. Are you great? I'm
Speaker 1: giving you one more chance to tell me you're fucking
Speaker 1: with me, Mike.
Speaker 4: I swear to fucking god, I am not fucking with you.
Speaker 4: I think Mary's right, and that, like I think people
Speaker 4: tell me that you accepted it in there, the part
Speaker 4: of my brain that is conscious, I think forgets it immediately,
Speaker 4: but I think there's some deeper part of my brain that,
Speaker 4: like everything people are telling me, goes in there and
Speaker 4: sometimes just bubbles to the surface.
Speaker 3: I'm like, ooh, idea, you.
Speaker 2: Are the sparkle in the eye of a future better Dan.
Speaker 2: You just don't know. That's not for you, you fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: This is for he's just accepting my coffee's intercepting my compliment.
Speaker 2: This is you are making him a better person over time.
Speaker 2: But you probably won't get credit for it. But that's
Speaker 2: what friends do.
Speaker 3: Magine how much bunk does that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: It tells me a good idea. And then later I
Speaker 4: just checked this thing out. I was like, I told
Speaker 4: you that.
Speaker 2: Probably probably accepts you every day. She's probably just like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, I was just thinking about how we should
Speaker 2: flush the toilet every time we use it, and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't know. Then who knows? Dan,
Speaker 2: I'm just using a hypothetical.
Speaker 1: Agent. I just know sometimes I think, like, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody should kill that neighbor I hate.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, she's evil.
Speaker 1: Gets you to do yeah, yeah, yeah, I just like
Speaker 1: to think like Bonk is like she's got to like us.
Speaker 2: Thinking best things all about Like what is that?
Speaker 1: That's? What was that? How much money do you think
Speaker 1: Giant bomb had? I'm just curious, how does it work?
Speaker 3: Have a safe right?
Speaker 1: I'm just curious people this fandom? How many people like know?
Speaker 1: Who has codes to what accounts? You know? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Something to think about. At some point, fires.
Speaker 1: Has like a dec number. Listen, do you think Mike
Speaker 1: really pays attention? Like what if? How long would it
Speaker 1: take him? How many a busy guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Anyway, go to sleep.
Speaker 1: Good for you if you're cooking, it's just in thereby night, sweetheart.
Speaker 1: H Well, I'm so glad that you're cooking. That's great.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 4: It's evolved just in the months i've been doing it,
Speaker 4: and I want to keep trying new stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, let me know if you need uh, well,
Speaker 1: you don't need any recipes, but I got some good ones. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's fun looking stuff up and finding different ways
Speaker 4: to do it, maybe really million different ways.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: You can find them some soaking sweet potato fries and
Speaker 4: bowls of ice to help you and get the start
Speaker 4: shop and yeah, yeah, I also think you're.
Speaker 2: Never too old to learn. I think like that is
Speaker 2: something that is a nice reflection of this place. Like
Speaker 2: I I hope everybody who has never cooked before or
Speaker 2: like doesn't enjoy it, gets inspired to cook at some
Speaker 2: point in their life and it's like, Okay, it turns
Speaker 2: out I actually do like cooking. For the first time
Speaker 2: in my life, I made pasta from scratch. I went
Speaker 2: to a course because I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 2: I'm doing, and they showed me what kind of flower
Speaker 2: to use, and to put an egg in it, and
Speaker 2: to like knead it into a dough, and then I
Speaker 2: put it into a little machine and I cut it
Speaker 2: out and I made posta. You can make little bow
Speaker 2: tie pastas, and they teach you how to make bow ties,
Speaker 2: and they teach you how to make like boats and stuff.
Speaker 2: And so I made all these different little shapes and
Speaker 2: then I ate them with delicious sauce and so uh,
Speaker 2: this wasn't that long ago. I learned in mid February,
Speaker 2: and I made it again on my own at home,
Speaker 2: just like last week I did. I bought it because
Speaker 2: I liked the class so much. I have the extens
Speaker 2: so I don't have the turn one. It's a machine
Speaker 2: that goes into my It's electric. It goes into a machine.
Speaker 3: Toaster.
Speaker 1: You mean the pasta? Is it like an attachment for
Speaker 1: another appliance? Is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It's an attachment for another appliance.
Speaker 1: Probably not your toaster. I'm assuming I just.
Speaker 3: Hear an electric and appliance. And that was the first word.
Speaker 2: It's like having a composition with another adult. And like
Speaker 2: some ding dong that just walked into the room.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like huh blender, Like what Yeah,
Speaker 1: now I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: The appliants the dough mixer.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, like you're I know you're talking about. Yes,
Speaker 1: it has a bowl to it, but yeah, I know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. That's cool.
Speaker 2: Kitchen.
Speaker 1: What did you say.
Speaker 2: I bet you our listeners are screaming kitchen. It's a
Speaker 2: kitchenaide and then it's an attachment for the KitchenAid and
Speaker 2: it automatical, but you still have to feed the dough
Speaker 2: through it and you get to play with it and stuff. Dan,
Speaker 2: you probably like making your own and it tastes better.
Speaker 3: It tastes good, and I'm a big pasta guy. I
Speaker 3: would like to try.
Speaker 2: You should make pasta. It's great.
Speaker 1: It is a very very good idea. If you're like
Speaker 1: having people over, it's a great like several hours everybody
Speaker 1: makes pasta together. You let it sit, you have some drinks,
Speaker 1: and then by the time it's ready and have the
Speaker 1: sauce going on the stove. It's a very fun like
Speaker 1: dinner party thing where you're all active when.
Speaker 2: You eat it. Everybody gets rewarded at the end. And
Speaker 2: I think the food tastes better because you're like, I
Speaker 2: put a lot of time and energy into this. So
Speaker 2: like he feels good when you eat it because you're like,
Speaker 2: I'm made this.
Speaker 1: I made a short rib ragou sauce with Popperdell from
Speaker 1: the we have the crank has the second attachment, which
Speaker 1: I've not used yet. It's got several pasta types that
Speaker 1: I've never heard of. We stick to, like popper Dell
Speaker 1: or Linguini or.
Speaker 4: Could could you make the thing that we had at
Speaker 4: that Dario restaurant?
Speaker 1: No one can twin. I wish you could probably figure. Yes,
Speaker 1: we have a ravioli maker, but it's a mold specifically
Speaker 1: with the circular pockets. Okay, but yeah, if you get
Speaker 1: a ravioli tray, you just have to cut like wide
Speaker 1: enough dough and then you just let it sit and
Speaker 1: put some flower on its. It's very fun.
Speaker 2: You're gonna love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 4: There's you know, I think a lot of people would
Speaker 4: I come to something way later in life than I should.
Speaker 3: There's always hardly do know how.
Speaker 1: To do this until then.
Speaker 4: For me, I am my age now, so I'm having
Speaker 4: the fun now, all the like discovery and like, oh
Speaker 4: this is fine.
Speaker 3: I like this thing. So to me, this is great.
Speaker 4: You know, It's not like I don't think like, oh,
Speaker 4: I could have been doing this for thirty years. It's
Speaker 4: like I'm going to do it now and it's fun.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you have like the beautiful mindset of like,
Speaker 2: well I didn't know what eggs were, and now you
Speaker 2: get to enjoy that experience of the egg way later
Speaker 2: on in life. I enjoy being fascinated by you. But
Speaker 2: this is not to harm you. I am just receiving
Speaker 2: my joy by seeing, like what is it like when
Speaker 2: a closet child has broccoli for the first time. I'm curious.
Speaker 4: I think I can thank that for having a podcasting career,
Speaker 4: like a main topic for you.
Speaker 2: You need to be soul Dan Ryker, but we are
Speaker 2: grateful to learn from you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing I've saying earlier is that when I'm
Speaker 1: recommending when I was recommending that you start cooking your
Speaker 1: your like response every time I brought it up, which
Speaker 1: was several many, he's throwing that last wee, It's no,
Speaker 1: I meant it. I meant it. I remember these conversations
Speaker 1: said you said, like I don't know how like did
Speaker 1: any of this works. I'm like nobody did at first,
Speaker 1: Like you did not know how to produce live streams
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, you learned I didn't come out in
Speaker 1: the hospital, we'd be like, oh, suvie, I.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is a cop out excuse, but like, I
Speaker 4: don't think people understand enough how much of an influence,
Speaker 4: good and bad my father had on me.
Speaker 3: Where it's like.
Speaker 4: Literally I get it, Like like within the last like
Speaker 4: year or two, he's asked me questions about like I
Speaker 4: want to figure out, like I got a somebody gave
Speaker 4: me a slow cooker. I need something really low effort
Speaker 4: that I can make in it. And then like I
Speaker 4: forgot who was I think he puts this on social
Speaker 4: media and somebody was like, oh yeah, so you just
Speaker 4: got to like chop up and he's like no, no, no,
Speaker 4: low effort. You're like idea of like chopping up a
Speaker 4: vegetable or something was like, I'm not going to get crazier.
Speaker 3: I'm not Emerald, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's like growing up, it was just mister frozen
Speaker 4: food and fast food and that was it. And mom
Speaker 4: was a waitress at night, so it's not like I
Speaker 4: was learning anything there with food stuff, So all I
Speaker 4: knew was Totino's party pizzas and stuff like that. So
Speaker 4: it's like this is new to me for a reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, reasons. I'm just saying every time you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know how people know how to do that,
Speaker 1: and like you have again getting good at it. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I still have that.
Speaker 3: Again. I'm still trying to scoop out all the props
Speaker 3: of my brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right, Well you guys want to talk
Speaker 1: about tariffs? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, we're back.
Speaker 1: Mary has a fly that's annoying her. She's gonna busy
Speaker 1: herself with trying to snatch it.
Speaker 3: It's like the Breaking Bad episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like that high on meths.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: It's like makes a.
Speaker 1: Lot of a bunch of parallels.
Speaker 3: Do you think math is fun?
Speaker 1: But probably parallel?
Speaker 4: Like, I know it's bad and it kills people and stuff,
Speaker 4: but like when it's good, you think it's like really good.
Speaker 1: I think most addictive drugs are good when they're good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one made that's what makes them troublesome addictive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what makes them addictive.
Speaker 1: So yeah, math is very very fun. Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the way, this is a total aside that I
Speaker 3: just thought of.
Speaker 4: Okay, I know specifically, Mike, I know you know this
Speaker 4: Instagram account, there's that like Norm McDonald's account that we
Speaker 4: we've constantly, you know, we've sent each other, you know,
Speaker 4: old norm bits back and forth from it.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this ship going on with it? No?
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is such niche dumb drama. It's like
Speaker 1: daughter or whatever.
Speaker 4: No, the granddaughter thing, yes, because it's like every other
Speaker 4: post ever is just like here's a Norm clip from whatever.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, Norm
Speaker 4: McDonald's daughter or granddaughter is doing only fans check the sense,
Speaker 4: Like what the is this? And also I know that
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a granddaughter, And.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: And I saw like all these people saying like unfollowed, unfollowed, unfollowed, unfollowed,
Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, is this some shady like
Speaker 4: bait and switch type thing? And I look back and
Speaker 4: there was another one previously. So it was like one
Speaker 4: of those shitty things where it's like, let's get a
Speaker 4: huge following by posting this thing that everyone loves, and
Speaker 4: then we're gonna be like, oh, and also check out
Speaker 4: this only fans.
Speaker 1: What fuck?
Speaker 4: Like I unfollowed it, It's like, man, it I like
Speaker 4: getting my Norm McDonald's stuff all the time. But it's like,
Speaker 4: not if it's just gonna feed me some random only
Speaker 4: fans have you know.
Speaker 1: Got the clips? Whoever made the account understood Norm's humor
Speaker 1: because they were finding good clips.
Speaker 3: It was, yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 1: When he's talking to Adam he get He's like, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a doctor the other day and yeh he said
Speaker 1: to me, you uh, you got to stop eating like
Speaker 1: shit and you gotta lose weight or else you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a heart attack. And then Adam he gets like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not funny. It's like, what do you mean it's
Speaker 1: not funny. I was expecting a joke. He's like, from
Speaker 1: my cardiologist, he's not a comedian.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I followed that.
Speaker 4: So if anyone wants to make a really great Norm
Speaker 4: McDonald daily Instagram account, I'll follow that.
Speaker 3: Just don't bait and switch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get it, get it? Dan? What have you been playing?
Speaker 1: We both did?
Speaker 4: It looks like yeah, I played it a little bit.
Speaker 4: I played like four hours of it and you know what,
Speaker 4: how was the series that?
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 1: Do you remember? What? Like? What monster? You got to?
Speaker 4: I only a few Like it wasn't like I was
Speaker 4: doing the side stories and stuff like I did the
Speaker 4: first couple like kill the cattle tackletists and then kill
Speaker 4: the this thing, and then kill six of these things,
Speaker 4: and then I started doing some optional ones. And that's
Speaker 4: always been a series that I've struggled with because, like,
Speaker 4: I know, people love it. And I reviewed one back
Speaker 4: in the Day game and former I got kind of
Speaker 4: into worlds, like I played like fifty sixty hours of
Speaker 4: world so I was like, Okay, I'm kind of getting
Speaker 4: what this is about here, and then this one, I
Speaker 4: don't know what, Like it just felt streamlined in a
Speaker 4: way that like I want to at least feel like
Speaker 4: if I'm playing this hunting game that I'm like go
Speaker 4: out into the wilds and you know, I'm like surviving,
Speaker 4: and like there is something about the cooking and prepping
Speaker 4: and stuff that I felt like in other games that
Speaker 4: would have annoyed me, but in this it felt right.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, oh, oh, press up for a
Speaker 1: big like big excursion that is like has this gravitas
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then this one it was just a lot
Speaker 4: of like Okay, I'm gonna talk to people at the
Speaker 4: base camp. Then I'm gonna hop on my ostrich and
Speaker 4: then I'm gonna press the hey take me to the
Speaker 4: thing button and then it's just like a bunch of
Speaker 4: just like the like walk and talk stuff where it's
Speaker 4: like I was like, oh, here's the part where I
Speaker 4: get to like go out into this like big world.
Speaker 4: It was like, no, it just takes me straight to
Speaker 4: like my guy hops in a very specific way across
Speaker 4: these specific rocks and then takes me to this thing
Speaker 4: and I'm just shooting a slingshot at things that I
Speaker 4: don't know what they do and collecting a bunch of
Speaker 4: shit that I don't know what it does, and like
Speaker 4: did I get there and say, Okay, the combat's good?
Speaker 4: Like I like the combat of just like and the
Speaker 4: stuff with the wounds and how you can like pull
Speaker 4: this button to kind of focus in on like that's
Speaker 4: where he's hurt, and then I can like do a
Speaker 4: bunch of damage if I do. Like that part felt good,
Speaker 4: the hunting, but then everything around it was just kind
Speaker 4: of like they seem to simultaneously be trying to streamline
Speaker 4: it to be accessible to new people, but also it's
Speaker 4: still retained a bunch of extra shit that like my
Speaker 4: understanding is that like people are like, oh, you don't
Speaker 4: have to pay attention this, You don't have to pay
Speaker 4: attention this, Like well, yeah, but when I'm playing a game,
Speaker 4: I would like to understand the stuff I'm doing. So
Speaker 4: if it's giving me a million things and introducing a
Speaker 4: million systems, I don't really care if it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you don't need to worry about it, because I'm gonna
Speaker 4: want to figure it out. And it's just it just
Speaker 4: seemed weirdly put together in a way that I wasn't enjoying.
Speaker 4: So I don't feel the need to keep playing this.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a very oddly paced game, because yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a weird amount of story up front with
Speaker 1: like several side characters, and you're doing walking talks and
Speaker 1: know you lost your secretees back to the village they
Speaker 1: came from, and then all of a sudden you don't
Speaker 1: have them. You're like, oh, maybe they're just going to
Speaker 1: make this like an arduous journey now they don't have
Speaker 1: It's like, nope, you'll get it soon enough. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're hopping around these stone pillars
Speaker 1: like you mentioned. But also, I still don't think they
Speaker 1: figured out what they need to tutorialize because there's still
Speaker 1: a certain things. And I play a decent amount of
Speaker 1: Rise the one after World, and I still in this one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, wait a minute, Uh, why don't I
Speaker 1: have Amo? Oh right, I didn't manually take it from
Speaker 1: the tent? How do I switch? How do I have
Speaker 1: my other weapon? Oh? I got to board my mount
Speaker 1: my ostrich again. The two weapons thing is cool, but
Speaker 1: now it doesn't. I almost see why they didn't let
Speaker 1: you do that in past games, because now it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel as dangerous and like you're not locked into one weapon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like so much of the It feels good on
Speaker 1: a second moment to moment basis when you are actually
Speaker 1: in combat. But yeah, like getting around the world so quickly,
Speaker 1: it's just I feel like a tourist more than an
Speaker 1: actual like hunter there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just not well put together in terms
Speaker 4: of like if you're trying to bring in new people,
Speaker 4: Like there was a thing at the camp at the
Speaker 4: beginning where they were like, hey, let's pick a weapon.
Speaker 4: You know, there's fourteen weapons, whatever, let's figure out what
Speaker 4: works best for you. Do you want to get in
Speaker 4: close or do you want to focus on defense do
Speaker 4: you want to be high flying? And so I was
Speaker 4: like picking all this stuff and it's like, oh smart,
Speaker 4: They're going to like kind of like suggest something for
Speaker 4: me as a newer player. That's gonna be a good
Speaker 4: way for me to not have this choice paralysis. And
Speaker 4: so I answered these things and they were like, you
Speaker 4: should use the insect glave and I got it.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, what, I have to send
Speaker 3: this bug.
Speaker 4: Out and it harvests and then I can also like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I like the mobility stuff, but what the fuck is
Speaker 4: this bug? And I was describing this on Giant Bomb
Speaker 4: and I saw people being like, oh, you picked the
Speaker 4: most confusing weapon. It's like, what question the tutorial ship Like, I,
Speaker 4: it's not my fault is not.
Speaker 1: Yes. I was gonna say, if you answer very if
Speaker 1: they're giving you, like what's the what was the website
Speaker 1: that was famous for those quizzes for a while, then
Speaker 1: it went to news No, then it went to news
Speaker 1: people are.
Speaker 2: You know it must be Sparkle. I think he's talking
Speaker 2: about Sparkle.
Speaker 1: It'll kind of it's a thing if if you're answering
Speaker 1: like a sparking level of quiz and they give you
Speaker 1: the most complicated weapon as a recommendation. That's their problem,
Speaker 1: not yours.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I am like, yeah yeah, they talk about
Speaker 4: like you know, because that was the thing. That's why
Speaker 4: I played World and give it a shot, is because
Speaker 4: they said, like, this is gonna be the good one
Speaker 4: for like newcomers, and and I did butt my head
Speaker 4: against a bunch of stuff that didn't make sense back
Speaker 4: then eventually got it, and I'm sure I would with
Speaker 4: this as well, but like, I don't know if this
Speaker 4: is supposed to be this like streamlined good for new
Speaker 4: people thing and I'm gone in here goddamn, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: oh right right, yeah, it's I just don't think it's
Speaker 4: really succeeding at what it's trying to do if like,
Speaker 4: and I also don't understand like it's just a weird
Speaker 4: reaction this game because they did very well on like
Speaker 4: Metacritic and a lot of reviews. But I feel like
Speaker 4: a lot of newcomers or you know, casuals like me,
Speaker 4: and then also a bunch of a hardcore monster under
Speaker 4: people don't seem happy with it.
Speaker 3: So it's like what is going to.
Speaker 2: Are you playing on this gable or are you yourself?
Speaker 2: I feel very fortunate that my very first Monster Hunter
Speaker 2: was Monster Hunter four Ultimate, which you could play on
Speaker 2: a three DS, but I think you could also play
Speaker 2: it on the WU and it had cross play, so
Speaker 2: I played it on the WU while like somebody else
Speaker 2: would play it on the three DS, and we played
Speaker 2: it together in the same world, and so we were
Speaker 2: both like you, I'm gonna do bow and arrow so
Speaker 2: I can be more range, and you'll be the person
Speaker 2: with the shield and the hammer, and so you'll be
Speaker 2: the clothes damage. And it got a little RPG for
Speaker 2: me where I was like, I'm a huntress and I'm
Speaker 2: covered in feathers, and like I really want this other armor.
Speaker 2: So like let's go, but I'm gonna have like a
Speaker 2: cheesy bun before we leave because it's gonna make me
Speaker 2: a little faster, you know. And so like I would,
Speaker 2: I got really into the cooking aspect of it, and
Speaker 2: I got really I got really excited about like building
Speaker 2: my character and having the right set up for like
Speaker 2: the very particular bird we were gonna kill, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera that was sick, and I got it. It
Speaker 2: was like the first time where I was like I
Speaker 2: get why people fucking are obsessed with this game because
Speaker 2: you can really get immersed in the world of figuring
Speaker 2: out what food you want, which armor set you're interested in,
Speaker 2: which which dude you're gonna take down, and then it
Speaker 2: takes an hour to get out there and kill the
Speaker 2: dang thing. But it's very fun to have that experience.
Speaker 2: I have not played this one, so I'm I'm very interested,
Speaker 2: but it's a bummer that. Like, I don't think the
Speaker 2: point of it is to streamline or to even be
Speaker 2: accessible for newcomers. I don't think that's the point. I
Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think like Dark Souls was ever, like,
Speaker 2: how do we make this easier for new people? It's
Speaker 2: to make the game that you want to make.
Speaker 1: I would say Dark Souls is maybe the like Dark
Speaker 1: from Software is probably the best developer ever at nonverbally
Speaker 1: communicating how things work. I think Monster Hunter can't find
Speaker 1: the middle ground of like here are some things that
Speaker 1: are worth keeping a very high skill ceiling on, and
Speaker 1: here are some things foundational things that would help people
Speaker 1: start the learning process when you're getting given a new
Speaker 1: weapon right away. In that games like I went Sword
Speaker 1: and Shield and the Lance Lance is a bit more complicated,
Speaker 1: but I still think they could do. They could streamline
Speaker 1: the weapon tatorials a bit earlier on rather instead of
Speaker 1: just giving you a dummy to hit and showing you
Speaker 1: these combos that you still they don't tell you the
Speaker 1: exact timing that you need to use to pull them off,
Speaker 1: so you're kind of just experimenting, which can be fun.
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, Yeah, it's a walk
Speaker 1: and talk, and then you're moving really quickly to the
Speaker 1: next monster and you fight a big monster that they
Speaker 1: built up to and it's cool as shit. But now
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, well, I'm back at the camp.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I learned anything worthwhile there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they give you some tools that are nice
Speaker 4: where it's like I spend some time with like you
Speaker 4: talk about the dummy and the camp, and it's like
Speaker 4: it's this kind of like big machine thing and you
Speaker 4: can set it like, Okay, do I want this thing
Speaker 4: to just sit there and I can practice my combos?
Speaker 4: Or do I want it to move around and attack
Speaker 4: me and I can practice defense and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So like it has some tools where you can try
Speaker 4: that stuff out, but it's still super fucking overwhelming. Like
Speaker 4: every time I try out a new weapon, it's like,
Speaker 4: all right, I'm gonna try why and b and see
Speaker 4: what happens. But then like in the middle of the animation,
Speaker 4: you'll see six different things in the corner that you
Speaker 4: can do or it's like after blade dance do that.
Speaker 3: It's just like, it's it's a lot.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure if you want to dig super fucking deep,
Speaker 4: if this is your game, Like, I'm sure, it's great
Speaker 4: to have that many options, but it's still really overwhelming.
Speaker 4: Who hasn't played that many games?
Speaker 2: I think playing with buds is the way to go,
Speaker 2: like playing with another person that will guide you, they
Speaker 2: will protect you, like.
Speaker 1: Learn some stuff. It's it's extremely fun. That series is
Speaker 1: very fun co op and I I love the depth
Speaker 1: of it. Again, I love the high scale ceiling. I
Speaker 1: just think they did choose to streamline weird parts here.
Speaker 3: It's clearly a well made game.
Speaker 4: It's one of those things where it's like I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna come shit on it or anything like that, but
Speaker 4: it's like I play it and I try it, and
Speaker 4: I'm just like, I I just don't think this is
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I'm gonna keep playing it for the
Speaker 1: time being, I don't I haven't played any other I'm
Speaker 1: not actually only the other playing. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: can't talk. The only other game I'm playing is Avowed
Speaker 1: right now, dan't on you finished it, Mary, you played
Speaker 1: more of it, and curious what you think now, because
Speaker 1: you seem sort of like you weren't positive what you
Speaker 1: thought yet.
Speaker 2: Last Yeah, I was on the fence because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of talkie in that game. My side characters will
Speaker 2: not shut the fuck up about like their problems and issues,
Speaker 2: and like I don't really care about them. But I
Speaker 2: did like solving crazy mysteries and finding random stuff in
Speaker 2: the world, and I liked the parkoer and I I
Speaker 2: played more in the last six hours. I am a
Speaker 2: parkour junkie. Actually really like the climbing aspect of it.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of just like old school games where
Speaker 2: it's like, solve it the way you want, here's a
Speaker 2: giant building, figure it out. I had this I had
Speaker 2: this like quest where it was like there's been a
Speaker 2: murder and you have to figure it out. I ended
Speaker 2: up like climbing through like the backyard and then the roof,
Speaker 2: and because I was able to do that. I got
Speaker 2: to like see the people in the action before it happened.
Speaker 2: It was sick. It was really fun experience just climbing
Speaker 2: these buildings and like finding these secrets that I swear
Speaker 2: I would not have gotten that ending if I didn't
Speaker 2: and figure out the climbing part of it. It's unique
Speaker 2: to this game. I mean, I just I think it's
Speaker 2: really cool that they're giving me physical puzzles to solve.
Speaker 2: And because I haven't played a lot of other games
Speaker 2: of this nature, I compare it to like tomb Raider,
Speaker 2: but it's sick.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: When you're solving puzzles physically by how do I get there?
Speaker 2: That is something I'm like really into.
Speaker 4: I think this game does that stuff, like the Parker
Speaker 4: stuff especially well, because like there, I don't just like
Speaker 4: Parkop for the sake of parkerp Like I know that's
Speaker 4: a big part of like Dying Light, and I do
Speaker 4: not like those games. I didn't like Mirrors Edge as
Speaker 4: much as people like that. This one, like it does
Speaker 4: feel like like the Parkore on a mechanical level feels good,
Speaker 4: but more importantly, it does feel like you're rewarded for it,
Speaker 4: and that there is like a fun search for it,
Speaker 4: and it's like an open game. It's so cool to
Speaker 4: just see something high up and be like, oh, I
Speaker 4: know there's probably like I'm supposed to going through this entrance,
Speaker 4: but I wonder if I can just get over this
Speaker 4: ridge here. I wonder if I get at the very
Speaker 4: tip top of this tower, and it's it really encourages
Speaker 4: you to do that, and asted Yeah, there's always a
Speaker 4: chest for something. There's always pretty stuff or an interesting story.
Speaker 4: I think a skeleton with a note by it. And
Speaker 4: then there's like amulets and stuff that are like plus
Speaker 4: thirty percent part core speed and things like that. Or
Speaker 4: you can get like magic abilities that like speed up
Speaker 4: all your you know, movement abilities, and you can really
Speaker 4: feel like you're just like sprinting around, clamber and up
Speaker 4: stuff and everything like it feels great in that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a I've played a decent amount now, not
Speaker 1: a ton six hours in. Maybe I'm love how simple
Speaker 1: and satisfying the combat can be, but there is enough
Speaker 1: depth there where I never get bored. Like they found
Speaker 1: just the right balance between just like crunchy and straightforward.
Speaker 1: But it's as complicated as I want it to be.
Speaker 1: I've just been going spear in one hand and Spellbook
Speaker 1: Grimoire in the other, which is super fun because then
Speaker 1: I have like elemental shit that like I can keep
Speaker 1: people at a distance, I'm fast where I can dodge,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm liking the game in the sense that it
Speaker 1: gets out of its way as an RPG, like there's
Speaker 1: talkie stuff, but at least it's like it's still, at
Speaker 1: least as far as I am in the game, it's
Speaker 1: still pretty tasteful how much everything lasts. It's also got
Speaker 1: as a thing of like there's enough skill checks in
Speaker 1: the conversation where like it keeps be just engaged enough.
Speaker 1: It's not even a complaint really sometimes the world design. Again,
Speaker 1: maybe this changes later in the game, but right now
Speaker 1: I'm still in the the areas where it's like it's
Speaker 1: more zones with branching paths out of them. I see
Speaker 1: why something like Skyrim works so well. That's not what
Speaker 1: they're trying to make exactly here. It's not a completely
Speaker 1: open world that you can go in any direction and
Speaker 1: find something on your compass. It's oh, there's a cave
Speaker 1: up there on that cliff. I'm going to go explore
Speaker 1: that and then come out Oh, I have a bunch
Speaker 1: of side quests to pursue. Oh, there's a little like
Speaker 1: to the northeast on my map. I haven't explored that yet,
Speaker 1: let's go check it out. I'm almost like, there's too
Speaker 1: many directions. I'm sorry, not not too many directions. There's
Speaker 1: there's so many directions I can go at once that
Speaker 1: once I do, they don't feel as consequential as they
Speaker 1: would in something like Skyrim or Breath of the Wild,
Speaker 1: where everything I do is this kind of like surprising
Speaker 1: mini adventure. But again, the game is peppering everything with
Speaker 1: so many mini challenges and like new loot that has
Speaker 1: this actual effect on the way I play the game.
Speaker 1: And then there's a bunch of like interesting enemy mobs.
Speaker 1: Now is a mini boss popping up. It really just
Speaker 1: keeps me hooked every step of the way. It doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like the most organic exploration, but that's fine, that's
Speaker 1: not what it's trying to do. I don't think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's compartmentalized a bit where it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: we've talked about Tears the Kingdom and stuff where it's like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, you go underneath the ground and there's
Speaker 4: this giant fucking map that's as big as the overworld
Speaker 4: and I got to find all this stuff. Like that's overwhelming,
Speaker 4: like in a good way. I mean, obviously the game
Speaker 4: did it very well this one. I kind of like
Speaker 4: the fact that it's like, all right, I'm gonna do
Speaker 4: every fucking thing in the old stare before I move
Speaker 4: on to the.
Speaker 2: Next area, and you can, you can.
Speaker 1: You can, yeah, you can.
Speaker 4: You can make it so there's not a single open
Speaker 4: quest on that quest log. It's not like, you know,
Speaker 4: like I love Skyrim, I love Fallout, but like you
Speaker 4: will just amass dozens of quests and like, I've definitely
Speaker 4: never like one hundred percent of every quest in one
Speaker 4: of those games.
Speaker 3: With this, I think I almost did every single thing.
Speaker 2: That's really cool. I do think there are some big
Speaker 2: ones that might shock you. I forget what world it's in,
Speaker 2: and I talked about it on the last episode, but
Speaker 2: I did a side quest where guy was like, I
Speaker 2: went on a quest with my brother and we were
Speaker 2: gonna die, so I left, but my brother's still there.
Speaker 2: Can you go get him? If you see that quest,
Speaker 2: do it because that's a sick quest and it does
Speaker 2: have a lot of really cool shit.
Speaker 3: Under there is the one with a brother who's a virgin.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I.
Speaker 2: And it kept going, like it just keeps going and
Speaker 2: the world there's it is an under first of all,
Speaker 2: it is an underground area like in a cave, and
Speaker 2: then the cave there's systems and it's really cool. I
Speaker 2: started it, and Okay, well I want to like there's
Speaker 2: like a god down there, like there's a lot of
Speaker 2: shit in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, that one's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's like the entire map from remember the Forbidden City
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago? Oh yeah, time Loop game.
Speaker 1: It's like they put that entire game underground and there's
Speaker 1: a whole Yeah, the guy's been down there doing experiments
Speaker 1: and there's other this other wizard that has been like
Speaker 1: corresponding with him. I'm sitting so good at that environmental
Speaker 1: kind of like.
Speaker 2: They did it. It's foreshadowing, right, foreshadowing and like kind
Speaker 2: of guiding you of like what to do. And what's
Speaker 2: really cool about that one. That's like the first time
Speaker 2: in any of these games ever where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I think I made the wrong call. I like destroyed
Speaker 2: the god set up because I was like this seems evil.
Speaker 2: But I was like I actually think there's a different
Speaker 2: ending here. I went back in time, like thirty five
Speaker 2: fucking minutes. I did it all over again, but I
Speaker 2: completed it, and I finished it instead of destroying it,
Speaker 2: and it was a really cool ending, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's actually exactly what these games are meant to do.
Speaker 2: It's like I had the power in me of all
Speaker 2: the time and just going backwards and like tweaking my choices,
Speaker 2: I was able to see this like really cool different
Speaker 2: version of the story. And I walked away from that
Speaker 2: like a changed person. I was kind of going into
Speaker 2: that session of avowed being like I don't know exactly
Speaker 2: what Dan sees in it, but like we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: And I walked away and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: like yeah, this game is duck cool.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's the most I'm I'm more excited to
Speaker 1: play that than Monster Hunter Wild's after this or whenever it's.
Speaker 1: It's the most eager to get back to a game
Speaker 1: I've been in a long time and.
Speaker 4: I can't win the last time I've had a game
Speaker 4: where it's like I am doing like eight hour sessions
Speaker 4: of this game, I am up till player four in
Speaker 4: the morning, because I just want to keep seeing the
Speaker 4: next thing like I while else has been that that indocith.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you. I'm glad that you had.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question, like, because a lot
Speaker 2: of times, much like Lost, you might enjoy the journey,
Speaker 2: but if the end isn't good, you might be like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? You guys didn't answer any of these questions.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of questions in that game. I have
Speaker 2: a lot of questions about why I'm a and I
Speaker 2: would like to know if you were satisfied, not literally
Speaker 2: absolutely satisfied.
Speaker 4: I was absolutely satisfied with the overall like story, conclusion, everything,
Speaker 4: and also I was very satisfied and surprised by some
Speaker 4: of the stuff that, like, you know, sometimes it's very obvious,
Speaker 4: like you know, like Fallout three, are you gonna make
Speaker 4: a ton?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 4: Like that type of stuff where it's like, well, this
Speaker 4: is a pretty big decision. You know, there were things
Speaker 4: that it was alluding to at the end. There's definitely
Speaker 4: like us at the end a thing where it's like,
Speaker 4: here's the consequences of your actions and you kind of
Speaker 4: see all this stuff, and I learned things that like, oh,
Speaker 4: I thought that was just a part of the story.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize it could have gone a different way. Right,
Speaker 4: I'll speak generally here, but there is a part where
Speaker 4: like a big thing happens to an area in the
Speaker 4: game that is like, oh God, this area got fucked
Speaker 4: up or whatever, and I just thought that was a
Speaker 4: scripted thing, and then I found out, oh, I could
Speaker 4: have avoided that if in this one specific thing where
Speaker 4: it wasn't It wasn't they clearly spelled out thing where
Speaker 4: it's like do you want to do or good thing?
Speaker 4: It was just like it was a gameplay thing, even
Speaker 4: where it's like, oh, did you do things this way
Speaker 4: or did he do things that way?
Speaker 3: And you could have saved this area.
Speaker 4: And it's like, holy shit, Because like most of myself
Speaker 4: was all like the positive stuff. I was very happy
Speaker 4: with my decisions. Certain things I didn't even realize would
Speaker 4: have impacts had huge impacts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I sing that too. In our worlds as well.
Speaker 2: I've had a couple of those as well, where it
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily whether or not it was wrong or right.
Speaker 2: One in the first area, there was a lady bringing
Speaker 2: a cart in and the government stopped her and they
Speaker 2: were like, well, you search her cart and I saw
Speaker 2: a grenade in the cart, and so I was like,
Speaker 2: this lady's a terrorist. That was my instinct, and so
Speaker 2: I told him and called her out. It turns out
Speaker 2: like so she went to jail, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I did the right thing. But then for the rest
Speaker 2: of that area, the police were like thanks a lot
Speaker 2: for helping us take out these terrible savages, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that sounds a little bad.
Speaker 6: And all and all the people who are trying to
Speaker 6: help help the poor people are like we hate you.
Speaker 6: You're like yeah with the police, and I was like
Speaker 6: I never meant to be properly, like I went down
Speaker 6: this terrible path.
Speaker 4: That one's so smart because it's early enough towards like
Speaker 4: you know, it becomes pretty apparent pretty quick that like
Speaker 4: the Adyrians that you represent the stuff are like you
Speaker 4: kind of this evil empire, you know. But like earlier,
Speaker 4: that was like one of the first things I ran
Speaker 4: into and I was like, aw, that's a terrorist.
Speaker 2: Grenades are bad, and she's down something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every other decision I made later it was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I was like anti Adirrians with everything going forward, but
Speaker 4: at that moment in the game. I was like, but
Speaker 4: you're right, Mary, like I had the exact same experience
Speaker 4: where like, oh man, I feel bad about that.
Speaker 3: Well, Mary, you probably you probably you know reported that
Speaker 3: woman for trying to get contraceptives.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, anti contra anti grenades, stay in there, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm always trying to hold women down, and I I
Speaker 2: feel like I never support them. There was another one
Speaker 2: in the second area where someone said there's something at
Speaker 2: the bottom of this lake and it is pretty nice,
Speaker 2: but it's also very coveted, so like everyone's gonna want it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, bitch, I'm going down there.
Speaker 2: And I swam to the bottom of that lake and
Speaker 2: I got that gemstone and then all these fucking skeletons
Speaker 2: came out of the woodwork and they have been trying
Speaker 2: to kill me since. I still don't really understand the
Speaker 2: facets of that one, but I think if I knew,
Speaker 2: I wonder if it was worth getting that gem because
Speaker 2: I just keep getting fucking shot by skeletons. I cannot
Speaker 2: get away from these skeletons.
Speaker 3: This game kicks ass, and it really does.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good.
Speaker 4: And you know, I said, I did pretty much everything,
Speaker 4: and I wound up beating it in like fifty two
Speaker 4: to fifty three hours, which, like I think that's awesome. Though,
Speaker 4: Like you could beat the game if you want to
Speaker 4: just kind of mainline the story do in like thirty
Speaker 4: hours probably, And if you want to do everything, you know,
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty something. It's that's a very reasonable amount,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I'm not, again sta a huge spread.
Speaker 4: If I'm loving something like a breadth the wild, like
Speaker 4: I'll put one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty
Speaker 4: hours into it. But like I felt like this was
Speaker 4: exactly the right amount of time. I feel like if
Speaker 4: this had stretched on more, I might have fallen off
Speaker 4: or gotten tired of it or just prayed for it
Speaker 4: to end.
Speaker 3: I was happy the whole way through this game. Loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to. I'm gonna play much more. I
Speaker 1: haven't even gotten out of the first major area yet.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, there's so much good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like each of the areas does feel very
Speaker 4: distinct from each other, Like, Mary, are you on the
Speaker 4: second or third area?
Speaker 2: I must be on at least to the second area,
Speaker 2: But I think I'm getting finished with that. I might
Speaker 2: be headed to the well. Actually I don't know. Is
Speaker 2: the third area I'm in like an area where the
Speaker 2: crops are all dying?
Speaker 4: Is it the animancy stuff and the like the crops
Speaker 4: and the yo gets here in the second area and
Speaker 4: the Emerald stare.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm at the second I'm at the end
Speaker 2: of the second area.
Speaker 3: Then there's plenty of good stuff to come.
Speaker 2: I'm excited. It's been it's been fun. I've enjoyed the ride.
Speaker 2: And to Mike's point, when I think about a new
Speaker 2: game and everybody's talking about Monster Hunter, there's like, you know,
Speaker 2: back and forth about it, and I have this sick
Speaker 2: game in my living room I'm interested in playing about,
Speaker 2: Like that's what I will play probably when we finished
Speaker 2: recording tonight. It's maybe it's just low pressure. I just
Speaker 2: know I'll enjoy it. It's a good story.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm having fun. I made my character really hot and
Speaker 2: I like looking at them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, got some weird fungus growing.
Speaker 2: Really so fucking hot with my fungus.
Speaker 1: You gotta see my character. I picked the what is
Speaker 1: it called the god Touched. Yeah, I did as much
Speaker 1: of that ship on my face as possible. I did
Speaker 1: the one mushrooms the fungus mushrooms out of my eyes.
Speaker 3: So I did the most like a couple little red
Speaker 3: spots on my cheeks that.
Speaker 2: I was grown out of micro bus.
Speaker 1: So anytime they're talking to me, it comes back, and
Speaker 1: I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like, everyone can't stop it, and you know what's funny?
Speaker 1: And they squelch every time I blink. It's and I see.
Speaker 2: The NPC that's in the jail cell. And the first
Speaker 2: thing she says to you was like they say you're
Speaker 2: God touched, but like I wouldn't say that by looking
Speaker 2: at you, and I was just like, how dare you?
Speaker 2: I'm hot?
Speaker 3: Mine was minimal.
Speaker 1: I went as overboard as you can.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: It's it's annihilation ship, Tessa Thompson relation ship.
Speaker 2: That's really like right up your alley visually.
Speaker 1: I love the speaking of are you playing Pirate Yakuza
Speaker 1: in Hawaii?
Speaker 4: Uh No, I'm Yakuza is a weird thing with me
Speaker 4: where it's like I have nothing but respect for that
Speaker 4: series of like how fucking weird it is? It almost
Speaker 4: like stricks like metal gear mix of like deadly serious
Speaker 4: with also the dumbest shit you've ever seen, Like I
Speaker 4: really do.
Speaker 3: I like that serious a lot.
Speaker 4: I maybe I like the idea of it more than
Speaker 4: I enjoy playing it, although the turnament stuff.
Speaker 3: I didn't beat it.
Speaker 4: I mean I played like forty hours of it, and
Speaker 4: it's like there's another forty Like I don't know. It's
Speaker 4: a game I didn't want to spend eighty hours play. Yes, certainly, yeah,
Speaker 4: I I like those games. I don't need to play
Speaker 4: them all.
Speaker 1: No, you don't have to justify. I was mainly curious
Speaker 1: because it's like the game title just seems like something
Speaker 1: that you would love, Like I love that they did that.
Speaker 4: I think that's great. But yeah, also, like pirate stuff,
Speaker 4: never really did it for me. I don't really care
Speaker 4: about pirate stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: People seem to like it, but I'm good. Everyone smile.
Speaker 4: I'll dive into a Yaka said.
Speaker 1: But I might go back to Eashan at some point
Speaker 1: with Gunshan. Yeah, yeah, but what a split fiction? What
Speaker 1: is it? I'm just it's my segue. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: know it is, but go for it. It is.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the uh you know, it takes two.
Speaker 4: It's Joseph Ferris and Hayes Lights next co op game,
Speaker 4: and uh, it's really fucking good. It is easy, I
Speaker 4: guess to be cynical about these games because like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I think about It Takes Two and we're
Speaker 4: really enjoying it a lot. Me and Bank played it together,
Speaker 4: but then it like super overstated, it's welcome, it was
Speaker 4: a lot longer than it needed to be. And also
Speaker 4: there is you know, I'm sure Joseph Haerris is a
Speaker 4: nice guy and everything, but like there's a bit of
Speaker 4: an obnoxious presence about his whole thing, you know, and
Speaker 4: like constantly putting himself into stuff, and like here again,
Speaker 4: like the two characters are named after his daughters, and
Speaker 4: we've once again put my fuck the Oscar speech into
Speaker 4: a game. And it's a lot of like look at
Speaker 4: me type stuff, which can be a little obnoxious with
Speaker 4: certain whether it's a movie director or game director anything.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I came in not being super excited about it,
Speaker 4: but Bonk and I have played probably five or six
Speaker 4: hours of it now and it's it's just undeniably fantastic game.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 4: I like it a lot more than It Takes Too
Speaker 4: so far, and I thought It Takes Two was great.
Speaker 4: I think it looks a lot better. It doesn't have
Speaker 4: the weird like kind of wooden toy stuff. And also
Speaker 4: everything's like kind of his family.
Speaker 2: And they're not having a divorce in the middle of
Speaker 2: the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, girl cry.
Speaker 3: Oh lots of things like that.
Speaker 4: It was like the elephant thing and the girl crime
Speaker 4: thing and all that, and it's just a weird tone
Speaker 4: for this game.
Speaker 1: You so far as even going back as far as
Speaker 1: a brothers, he's way better. His teams are way better
Speaker 1: at telling stories through gameplay. When they actually try to
Speaker 1: script something, well, it kind of falls apart.
Speaker 4: It's it is similar here where it's like, look, the
Speaker 4: cutscenes are not gonna like it's a very straightforard. It's like, oh,
Speaker 4: these two girls are writers. One's a fantasy writer, one's
Speaker 4: a sci fi writer. One likes the city, one likes
Speaker 4: the country. They don't get along, they don't relate, and
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden they get sucked into the
Speaker 4: same computer bubble thing because the evil publisher wants to
Speaker 4: suck their ideas out for a publishing.
Speaker 2: Whatever thing the fuck is that story?
Speaker 4: No, that's it, And so it's like but it's all
Speaker 4: just a setup for like allowing them to jump between
Speaker 4: a bunch of totally disconnected in a good way sci
Speaker 4: fi and fantasy settings and just wacky wilds things because
Speaker 4: like they get.
Speaker 2: Like because it's like you can just you can be
Speaker 2: like you're in a new chapter now, so now you're
Speaker 2: actually in a western yeah, or like.
Speaker 4: There's one word, you're a couple of pigs on a farm,
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, yeah, I wrote this is the
Speaker 4: first thing I wrote when I was like a little
Speaker 4: kid and stuff. It's like it kind of just makes
Speaker 4: sense where it's like, Okay, we're playing through what these
Speaker 4: writers they yeah, I mean yeah, not quite as rapid,
Speaker 4: but it is the thing where you don't know what's
Speaker 4: coming next, and like that is the pace of the
Speaker 4: game never gives you a chance to get bored, you
Speaker 4: know it Like you'll get into an area and like
Speaker 4: I have these powers and Bonk has these powers, and
Speaker 4: we play this for you know, fifteen twenty minutes and
Speaker 4: then it's a completely fucking different thing. And now we're
Speaker 4: a couple of hot dogs and now it's like, oh
Speaker 4: my hot dog can jump. Oh, Like there's that fun
Speaker 4: moment of like oh, I'm this new character or this
Speaker 4: new setting, like what do my buttons do, and it
Speaker 4: never overcomplicates things. You've got like a jump, a dash,
Speaker 4: You've got your L two and R two that kind
Speaker 4: of does different abilities and it explains things. It doesn't
Speaker 4: have to explain things because it's not ever complicated. But
Speaker 4: the variety is so good that you just kind of
Speaker 4: want to keep seeing what the next thing is. And
Speaker 4: it'll go between like really.
Speaker 1: High fast paced boss fights and chase.
Speaker 4: Sequences and stuff to like, here's a big fun area
Speaker 4: for you to just kind of like sandbox run around, like,
Speaker 4: look at it.
Speaker 3: Here's all these pigs doing these cute things.
Speaker 4: Look at this. It's just everything seems so smartly put together.
Speaker 4: It's like the fact that there are no collectibles or
Speaker 4: anything like that to find. I think in a lot
Speaker 4: of games, like you know, you want a pepperine collectibles
Speaker 4: inside things to do.
Speaker 1: But here, if there were collectibles, the pacing.
Speaker 4: Would be so different because it's like, oh, let's say
Speaker 4: box charging forward and I'm like, hang on, hang on,
Speaker 4: I think there might be something over here that's going
Speaker 4: to fuck up the pacing of a game like this
Speaker 4: that's meant to be a co op thing. So like,
Speaker 4: because that stuff isn't there you can feel comfortable be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we're just running forward, Okay, we're grappling, we're jumping, we're fighting,
Speaker 4: we're doing all this stuff, and like the pace never
Speaker 4: left up. And when there is side stuff, it is
Speaker 4: in the form of like these like orbs that you
Speaker 4: can go into and they're called side stories, and those
Speaker 4: are the ones that are just totally disconnected front. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is a hang gliding thing, this is the pig sequence,
Speaker 4: this is all this and I you don't it's not
Speaker 4: like you get a level. There's no leveling up or
Speaker 4: anything like that here or currency. You just want to
Speaker 4: do it because it's like, man, that could be anything
Speaker 4: in that orb, but I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 4: that's gonna be.
Speaker 3: And all of this shit's been fun to do.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it looks incredible. The writing is not great,
Speaker 4: but I do like that it doesn't get bogged down
Speaker 4: in over explaining the story. Like you literally get sucked
Speaker 4: into this machine and then the two girls are like,
Speaker 4: I guess we got to collect these glitches to get
Speaker 4: out of here. Great cool, Like there's no like we
Speaker 4: don't have to understand what the machine is or go
Speaker 4: into the backstory of the villain and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: It's just it's incredibly well put together. Like I saw
Speaker 4: I was like a ninety two or something on Metacritic.
Speaker 4: It's like yeah, yeah, I mean, I like, I don't
Speaker 4: know how you could play this game and not be like, oh, hey,
Speaker 4: this is like masterfully put together.
Speaker 2: Did you think I am wonderful that it's doing so well?
Speaker 1: Was it was the game about escaping brother a way Out,
Speaker 1: Away Out? Did you play that? We started that?
Speaker 2: I did not care for it.
Speaker 1: That was self serious, right, there's more like Spielberg shots
Speaker 1: and whatnot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to do this like I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's like a shashank thing or something, but like a
Speaker 4: lot of like kind of walking down hallways and walking
Speaker 4: talk type stuff, and like I've kind of liked all
Speaker 4: their stuff.
Speaker 3: I like Brothers. I liked it Takes two.
Speaker 4: I love this, but like it Way Out was the
Speaker 4: one where it's like, okay, we're getting a little kind
Speaker 4: of the pacing. I didn't love of it, whereas this
Speaker 4: is just kind of slam bang fucking platforming action. Like
Speaker 4: it's thing the thing, the thing, the thing, And I've
Speaker 4: loved all of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to play at some point, maybe i'll
Speaker 1: with Amanda.
Speaker 2: I root for that studio. I think they do interesting things.
Speaker 2: I think A Tale of Two Brothers was so brilliant
Speaker 2: and it's really cool. The progression of the studio has
Speaker 2: taken with more budget, more time, more people to be
Speaker 2: able to make these robust adventures, and It Takes two
Speaker 2: was the pinnacle of a lot of that work. Right,
Speaker 2: Like Tailor Brothers, A Tale of Two Sons is genius
Speaker 2: and I think it's my favorite, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: it's the best. It's just it's the one that, like
Speaker 2: I think, had a tremendous story. It was so gripping
Speaker 2: and so powerful, and the gameplay helped helped tell the story,
Speaker 2: which is the brilliance of this medium.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: If it's just a story, that's Netflix. If it's gameplay,
Speaker 2: you've lost the touch. It's the connection of the two.
Speaker 2: This studio has consistently struggled with finding the connection between
Speaker 2: a good story and good gameplay. In my opinion, I
Speaker 2: just haven't seen it yet. The one where they're breaking
Speaker 2: out of prison, I think had a good story, but
Speaker 2: the gameplay was a mess. It just was like all
Speaker 2: over the place, and you couldn't. No one was ever
Speaker 2: really in control. It felt like we didn't know which
Speaker 2: one was meant to be doing what. And then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden they were like, now you're shooting at
Speaker 2: the police on the back of a car, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I think we've just lost the plot a
Speaker 2: little bit about what we were doing here. I'm hoping
Speaker 2: that this game. It's a shame to hear you say, like, hey,
Speaker 2: listen to the writing's not great, but I do root
Speaker 2: for this studio because they're doing something that I want
Speaker 2: more studios to do. It's just co op adventures for
Speaker 2: other people with excellent gameplay, like advanced concepts of that,
Speaker 2: and it has a story that you can deal with
Speaker 2: and handle, but I would love for them to actually
Speaker 2: have like a really gripping story one day.
Speaker 3: It's a really cool niche that they found.
Speaker 4: And I'm with you marea where it's like I want
Speaker 4: to see more of this because, like you know, I
Speaker 4: think about like you know, me and Bank where it's
Speaker 4: like we both work in games, we both love games,
Speaker 4: and like you know, people assume they' oh you're probably
Speaker 4: playing you got a co op partner all the time,
Speaker 4: and it's like no, because we we kind of like
Speaker 4: different games a lot, and like even like a lot
Speaker 4: of co op games or a Monster Hunter and things
Speaker 4: like that are just a little over complicated and aren't
Speaker 4: really like meant for you know, like couch co op
Speaker 4: type stuff, whereas this and it takes two we're ones
Speaker 4: that Like Bonk and I are like, okay, yeah, we're
Speaker 4: gonna sit on the couch and we're gonna play this
Speaker 4: and laugh and you know, we're fucking We're fucking up
Speaker 4: and laughing at each other and die and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And you really do feel like it's a lot of
Speaker 3: like you know, you're.
Speaker 4: Okay, get that, shoot that thing, okay, and then I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go through a good time those one, two, three,
Speaker 4: and it's it is really an ideal co op local experience,
Speaker 4: And I think that doesn't happen a lot. I think
Speaker 4: you see a lot of like these throwback like oh
Speaker 4: these Power Rangers or Turtles Shredders Revenge type games and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, but like those are throwback nostalgia things,
Speaker 4: so like you know, Bunk's not really interested in like
Speaker 4: those with me as much, but like this is this
Speaker 4: does it so well that this is such a great
Speaker 4: excuse to like, all right, let's get down there and
Speaker 4: let's knock out a couple hours and have a great
Speaker 4: time doing it.
Speaker 3: So I've really been loving playing with her.
Speaker 2: I think that's great. You've inspired me. I will probably
Speaker 2: play this, although I would play even a bad co
Speaker 2: op game because I like them and I seek them out,
Speaker 2: and I look at co optional and like other places
Speaker 2: to seek out co op games to play with other people.
Speaker 2: So this is right up my Ali. I would be
Speaker 2: playing it too. But yeah, I hope that they continue
Speaker 2: to be able to make these types of games, and
Speaker 2: one day I look for like the Ultimate Brother's Tale
Speaker 2: of Two Sons Pinnacle, which is like a really gripping
Speaker 2: story and beautiful co op gameplay. So let's go.
Speaker 3: I don't think you'll get the story thing here, but
Speaker 3: I think you'll have a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I believe you because we're both Dewey's and so if
Speaker 2: you're not griped by the story like they've fucked up.
Speaker 3: Like, oh it's ship for sure, it's super Dewey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll survive.
Speaker 1: What's my side?
Speaker 2: Can can you do me a favor? Can you not
Speaker 2: google this game?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I would be happy to talk to you about this.
Speaker 1: Do you want us to play it? Or do we
Speaker 1: you not want us to google it while you're talking
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna describe it and then you can decide whether
Speaker 2: or not you want to play it. But I think
Speaker 2: that if you google it it will ruin it because
Speaker 2: a flame. No, that's not what I'm worried about.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, I can say that.
Speaker 2: Dan. You remember when I told you to play that
Speaker 2: watch that horror movie and I said, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Loved it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I want to be careful here. This isn't
Speaker 2: barbarian level my side. It is a don't do it
Speaker 2: not my side.
Speaker 1: Is a.
Speaker 2: A hell of a twisty game. And I didn't know
Speaker 2: a lot about it, and I didn't have anything to
Speaker 2: play on Monday, and so I started googling games that
Speaker 2: are like high reviews. This game is like crazy high reviews,
Speaker 2: but I'd never heard of it, which I think is
Speaker 2: weird and suspicious. Yes, don't google it and it okay,
Speaker 2: just hear me out. So I was like, either this
Speaker 2: game is committing fraud because it has it has extremely
Speaker 2: high reviews, or like it is really good but no
Speaker 2: one's talking about it, which is also weird. So I
Speaker 2: played it. I finished it. It's about a four hour journey.
Speaker 2: It's pretty fun good, uh it is. The concept is
Speaker 2: that you are playing a game where you have like
Speaker 2: a wife fu and she's.
Speaker 1: Like you lost him? Yeah, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 3: Also you just describe that again please, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you're a game and you have like a wife
Speaker 2: and which is like a hot lady or she's a
Speaker 2: super cute like woman anime style. She's got like a
Speaker 2: cute little dress. You're literally the game starts. You're in
Speaker 2: your bedroom and you take out your phone and then
Speaker 2: the game and then the camera like zooms into your phone.
Speaker 2: So you're playing this game on your phone and she's like,
Speaker 2: help me cook dinner. And so you're like cooking dinner
Speaker 2: and she's like help you play some mini games like
Speaker 2: I need to like buy I want to I want
Speaker 2: something for this house, like help me. And so you
Speaker 2: do these many games and you get currency and you
Speaker 2: buy something for her, and then she's like I love
Speaker 2: you so much, like come stay with me. And then
Speaker 2: you're like, well I can't. You're you're a game, sweetie.
Speaker 2: This game takes a pretty interesting twist pretty quickly. In
Speaker 2: this game it is not about that at all. But
Speaker 2: the more I tell you, I think, the more it
Speaker 2: kind of takes away from the adventure that you go
Speaker 2: on and.
Speaker 1: What you learn.
Speaker 2: And I will warn all of our viewers who are
Speaker 2: like interested in what I'm saying is that this game
Speaker 2: has strong themes, including like violence and stuff, and there
Speaker 2: are homages to PT in it. It gets really fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: I swear it, yes, physical therapy or like playable teaser PT.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, yes, Okay, So it.
Speaker 2: Has like it has like a lot of like really
Speaker 2: cool elements to it of maybe horror and it twists.
Speaker 2: It's on Steam but and it's important you play it
Speaker 2: like the whole game. You're playing as a person playing
Speaker 2: on their phone, and that actually does come into.
Speaker 1: Play first story something like that, like anything does I
Speaker 1: think it.
Speaker 2: It has a lot of narrative design choices in it.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminded me of Slay the Princess.
Speaker 1: Visual novel.
Speaker 2: But but it's not it's not talky. It's dewey, but
Speaker 2: it's not talky. It's not talky. It's dewey. Okay, But
Speaker 2: the said, yeah, I lost you with that, I understand,
Speaker 2: and I know how quickly you quit games, you have
Speaker 2: to at least make it five minutes.
Speaker 1: Five minutes.
Speaker 3: I can do five minutes.
Speaker 2: No you can't, bitch. We know you've quit games in
Speaker 2: thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: I've made it twelve minutes in a metaphor, No you didn't.
Speaker 1: I I was not twelve minutes. He didn't say the
Speaker 1: what is fantasy when you die? Or something? But he's
Speaker 1: got all this time he is for he needs more
Speaker 1: time for cooking these days.
Speaker 2: So I think you might like the cooking sim I
Speaker 2: think you might like like what it does with the story.
Speaker 2: I will admit I think this is I think I
Speaker 2: should say like this other piece, which is like I
Speaker 2: think it overstays, it's welcome. I think this would have
Speaker 2: been really perfect three hour game. By the end of
Speaker 2: the fourth hour, I was like, all right, I understand
Speaker 2: what you're doing here. I still recommend this game fully.
Speaker 2: It's full of twists and turns. It surprised me, it
Speaker 2: delighted me. I think it's actually like quite well made.
Speaker 2: But you have to get past that hump because at
Speaker 2: first I was like, oh my god, is this highly
Speaker 2: reviewed because of a hunter like a bunch of horny boys,
Speaker 2: And I think that's possible, but it's not. That's not
Speaker 2: what this game is. But I can't tell you anymore
Speaker 2: because I think the joy that I received of playing
Speaker 2: it is because I had no idea what was going
Speaker 2: to happen. So I can't tell you what happens. And
Speaker 2: I don't think you should google it because what happens.
Speaker 4: I would have been more open minded if you hadn't said, wife,
Speaker 4: I disagree.
Speaker 2: Because you would have opened the game and played it,
Speaker 2: and then you had been like, why does Mary want
Speaker 2: me to like buy this TV for this sexy little
Speaker 2: girl who like And there's also I'm just telling you
Speaker 2: the truth, which is like she's she's like t he
Speaker 2: thank you for helping me, And you're like, why am
Speaker 2: I playing this? But you you figure it out within
Speaker 2: with within ten minutes, give it tenntes.
Speaker 1: No, I'm I was going to get it on Steam.
Speaker 2: It's four hours. But don't look at the trailer.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just I'm on the Steam page.
Speaker 2: I actually regretted looking at the trailer because like, there
Speaker 2: were things that the trailer revealed that I would have
Speaker 2: really enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Holy shit. Discovering ninety thousand overwhelmingly positive reviews.
Speaker 3: Oh really is this Mary? Would this be a good
Speaker 3: one to go in blind on streamed?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I did?
Speaker 4: Okay, I had really not like some weird it's going
Speaker 4: to be some demon vagina anime.
Speaker 2: Thing demon vagina, but there are like tough.
Speaker 3: Am I going to get arrested?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, it's not like he was great. It took out
Speaker 2: some like peanut pervert game. Okay, I will say all
Speaker 2: the time. I will admit that the girl is very
Speaker 2: cute and her age is nebulous, and like, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure she's eighteen.
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm downloading. I might call the cops
Speaker 4: on by the endless podcast.
Speaker 1: Now, what's gonna happen? Is he gonna forget this whole
Speaker 1: conversation happened. He's gonna get really into wife fu fiction
Speaker 1: in like three weeks and then he can forget And
Speaker 1: have you checked out why fiction? There's his wife who
Speaker 1: games called me sid side. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: thought to play this, but I got into white fou fiction.
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that I played this. This is how
Speaker 2: we'll end it. I think it was worth the money.
Speaker 2: I think it was worth absolutely the four hours. I
Speaker 2: am recommending it, but it is a journey, and I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone should google it. That's just how I
Speaker 2: feel about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, as long as I without getting arrested.
Speaker 2: Mike, what are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm on the Steam page. You didn't tell me not
Speaker 1: to look at stuff.
Speaker 2: Don't look at the Steam page.
Speaker 1: I saw the developer content description warning like that includes
Speaker 1: this and this and this and what the fuck? It's
Speaker 1: a different not not perfect, weird.
Speaker 2: Stuff, not perfect weird stuff, but there's O stuff this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a cool game. I really, I really liked it.
Speaker 2: I will say, like, yeah, it's it has moments where
Speaker 2: it will surprise you or maybe even scare you. I think, like,
Speaker 2: I would not recommend this for people who are like
Speaker 2: I don't like being scared. It's like, okay, well then
Speaker 2: you won't like this game. Like I think this game
Speaker 2: tests your emotions and like, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's just did ship.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I haven't seen in a long time, you guys.
Speaker 1: I I will take I will not. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not, but I don't want to describe it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, hard headed.
Speaker 2: I played it on the stream Dan. I started it
Speaker 2: and finished it in the same stream.
Speaker 1: It's fifteen dollars, I will consider doing it.
Speaker 2: Don't be a little cheap ass.
Speaker 3: That's like four cases the cheap thing. It's just the
Speaker 3: anime stuff.
Speaker 2: That I that, but that actually also comes into play
Speaker 2: in it, so like, I think it's actually important to
Speaker 2: the story. But it is hard. Probably it's a hard
Speaker 2: pill to swallow, but I think it's it's it's worth
Speaker 2: it because it kind of plays on these tropes. So anyway,
Speaker 2: I can't describe it anymore without like giving too much away.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's how I have.
Speaker 2: That's all I have to say.
Speaker 3: I think I will probably next time we record and
Speaker 3: have something to say about it.
Speaker 2: Four hours, Like give it four hours and I'd be
Speaker 2: very curious what you have to say.
Speaker 1: Okay, wit, I think.
Speaker 2: That's also interesting.
Speaker 3: I will probably that's not it.
Speaker 2: Don't don't quit in ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Come on, we'll see if they say white fu, I'm
Speaker 3: fucking out.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 1: They don't say that, Okay. I think he's going to
Speaker 1: get to the Steam page to download it and see.
Speaker 2: Just like the artwork, I'm more that when you download it,
Speaker 2: you're gonna look at it and you're gonna be like this,
Speaker 2: is like for little Wiener boy, is there a weight?
Speaker 1: Well, if you can describe a game like that, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't recommend it to somebody or lit is that the genre?
Speaker 1: It does sound like something Dan Dad would say, Well, boys,
Speaker 1: and it's fucking high made. It's a woman drinking Francia.
Speaker 3: Drinking Francion playing wife who games?
Speaker 1: Is that what he imagines I do all day?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: He just gets mad every time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that woman. But then we had out like we
Speaker 1: get along really well.
Speaker 4: Or is he just that's the thing, Mike, like he
Speaker 4: would He finds you funny and smart and everything, but
Speaker 4: like everything about your interests and everything he just deeply
Speaker 4: disapproves of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. Yeah, Dan, you also played w
Speaker 1: W two K twenty five.
Speaker 4: I won't worry you for too long with this because, uh,
Speaker 4: this is not the wrestling podcast by any means. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I wish I liked wrestling video games more than I do.
Speaker 4: I think that they have done a really good job
Speaker 4: in the last few years of turning it around after
Speaker 4: very disastrous like two K twenty. I feel like they've
Speaker 4: gotten every one of them has gotten a bit better
Speaker 4: since then. But as good as they've gotten, I still,
Speaker 4: you know, every year I play them, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's getting better, and then I don't feel any desire
Speaker 4: to play them longer. So it's just weird to me that,
Speaker 4: like I'm the guy who the two things in my
Speaker 4: life forever have been video games and wrestling, and I
Speaker 4: just cannot get into the new wrestling games, even if
Speaker 4: they're good. So, like the gameplay is is solid, it
Speaker 4: feels okay, but like all the new stuff they added,
Speaker 4: Like there's this thing called the Island where you're like
Speaker 4: living on this Roman Reigns island and you create a
Speaker 4: character and you get a smart watch that sends all
Speaker 4: of your data to Roman Reigns, so like your wins
Speaker 4: and losses and stuff like that, to like, oh, sit
Speaker 4: next to them on the I'm not gonna bory with
Speaker 4: the Bloodline stuff and what that is and everything. It's
Speaker 4: just like that mode is just a bunch of like
Speaker 4: micro transaction stuff and online play that like I never
Speaker 4: do online.
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in that.
Speaker 4: The Showcase mode thing where you kind of play through
Speaker 4: like history and stuff like that is based on the
Speaker 4: blood Line and all the different members of the Bloodline
Speaker 4: and Yokazuna and Roman reigns and the USO's and everything,
Speaker 4: and those are fine. It got rid of the parts
Speaker 4: where you're watching like real matches and things like that
Speaker 4: eight times between every normal match, which gets annoying. It's
Speaker 4: still a lot of putting the controller down and watching
Speaker 4: as things play out. The gameplay feels pretty wooden. They
Speaker 4: added intergender matches, which I that was a thing that
Speaker 4: my understanding from knowing people who have worked there over
Speaker 4: the years is that like people are weirdly ravenous about
Speaker 4: wanting to have inter gender matches in w A Duque,
Speaker 4: and they brought them back, so I'm sure those folks
Speaker 4: are thrilled. I did one match where I was Terry
Speaker 4: Funk and I fought Stephanie McMahon and a backstage prawl,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure it just feels like every other match.
Speaker 3: Basically.
Speaker 4: They added the Logan Paul's Prime bottle to the center
Speaker 4: of the ring and also the hydration station then, so
Speaker 4: there's plenty of Logan Paul advertisements throughout the game. It's
Speaker 4: there's too many modes. It's for me, like, the only
Speaker 4: things that appealed to me is like, Okay, the roster's updated.
Speaker 4: It's like if you were like into Madden and it's
Speaker 4: like you get the year to your stuff, Like, okay,
Speaker 4: at least the rosters are updated, and if there's a
Speaker 4: new stadium or something that's included, like oh, that's that's
Speaker 4: the most recent WrestleMania stage is there? And bron Breakers
Speaker 4: here and all these different like you know, the it's
Speaker 4: just the gameplay feels the same. The gameplay doesn't really
Speaker 4: inspire me. I'm sure I will download a bunch of
Speaker 4: stupid creative wrestlers and make AI fight each other and
Speaker 4: laugh about it on a stream, but there's too many
Speaker 4: fucking modes here and most of them are not good.
Speaker 4: I'm glad the gameplay has gotten better year after year,
Speaker 4: but like it is still not a thing that is
Speaker 4: that I will keep coming back to.
Speaker 1: You know, I get, I get the desire to play
Speaker 1: it as like someone who used to be in the
Speaker 1: year least sports games, but not so much anymore.
Speaker 4: But it's just been like I haven't like wrestling is
Speaker 4: such a weird fucking industry and it has not translated
Speaker 4: to games well in a long time. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: like everyone has their N sixty four, you know, memories
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, and even before that. I liked
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff, but like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: the more simulation it is, the more it's trying to
Speaker 4: simulate what actual like pro wrestling matches on TV look like,
Speaker 4: the less I'm interested in it.
Speaker 3: And that's a common thing.
Speaker 4: People like the more arcadie stuff typically, it's just it's
Speaker 4: it's a weird industry to translate to video games, and
Speaker 4: I don't like most of them all right, fair enough,
Speaker 4: but to say this is a good game, like this
Speaker 4: is a they've definitely made huge improvements for several years now,
Speaker 4: but like it's still not for me.
Speaker 1: Really, when did When was the last time a wrestling
Speaker 1: video game was good that you liked? Well?
Speaker 4: I mean, but that I liked, okay, because like I said,
Speaker 4: like this is I think this is a good game,
Speaker 4: but that I was really into. Uh here comes the
Speaker 4: Pain on PlayStation two, so we're wow. Can I give
Speaker 4: you sure?
Speaker 2: You know how Mike has a tiered list of all
Speaker 2: the Bond films. Would you do a tier of your
Speaker 2: best to least wrestling games for next EPI?
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean that that'd be easy. I
Speaker 3: could do that. I could rattle it off right.
Speaker 1: Now here comes the Pain number one, no N sixty four,
Speaker 1: what would have been.
Speaker 4: All the N sixty four one, so like no Mercy,
Speaker 4: then wrestlemin In two thousand, then WCWNW Revenge. Then I
Speaker 4: would probably say here comes the Pain, and it's just nostalgia.
Speaker 4: I kind of like the Roy Rumbling Raw ones.
Speaker 2: And you don't want to think about this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've already.
Speaker 4: Named the important ones, like the sixty four ones, and
Speaker 4: here comes the Pain are like the important ones to me.
Speaker 4: And then there's a bunch of like bad ones that
Speaker 4: I have nostalgia for, like the acclaim in sixty four,
Speaker 4: war Zone attitude stuff and roll Rumbling Raw, And then
Speaker 4: there's just a lot of super fucking forgettable modern ones.
Speaker 1: There you have it, homework finished.
Speaker 2: I'm a plus, thank you, A plus plus plus plus
Speaker 2: plus plus.
Speaker 1: Dan doesn't get it. Damn.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's cool.
Speaker 4: It's uh it's an old PS two game, and uh,
Speaker 4: I think we all like the thing here right, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's Mary's favorite movie, my third.
Speaker 4: Favorite thing podcast. Yeah, yeah, it's just uh, it's interesting
Speaker 4: to play now. And like night Dive what they're doing
Speaker 4: Night Dive Studios, I have so much respect for what
Speaker 4: they're doing because like they are just taking these games
Speaker 4: that are not the most you know, like it's not
Speaker 4: a Metal Year or a Zelda remake. It's not the
Speaker 4: most you know big you know, Triple A name and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. They're taking cool, weird stuff from like
Speaker 4: air like I love that PS two era where you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of weird stuff was getting tried, including this
Speaker 4: thing remastered, which I didn't play back in the day.
Speaker 4: I had not seen the movie back then, and uh,
Speaker 4: it clearly was doing the thing where they're trying to
Speaker 4: do justice to the movie. Where back then, especially if
Speaker 4: you saw a license on a game, it was just
Speaker 4: like some studio got or some publisher got access to
Speaker 4: the license and they just make just a very you know,
Speaker 4: it's going to skate by on the license and not
Speaker 4: have anything interesting in storage. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're And this was clearly going for like the themes
Speaker 4: of the thing and like not being able to trust
Speaker 4: the people around you and like, Okay, you'll find these
Speaker 4: people that join your squad, but they might like get
Speaker 4: freaked out because they saw a bloody murder scene and
Speaker 4: you need to like you know, give them adrenaline shots
Speaker 4: to make them cool or whatever, or like you need
Speaker 4: to give yourself a blood test to show that you're
Speaker 4: not the thing, or you need to give them a
Speaker 4: blood test so you're proved to the other guys that
Speaker 4: they're not the thing. And it's it's all very like
Speaker 4: it is from O two or something like that, so
Speaker 4: don't expect it to be this like Super Deep AI
Speaker 4: or anything like that. They're getting stuck on walls. They'll
Speaker 4: be like, hey, where the fuck are my guy that
Speaker 4: they were supposed to be with me but they were
Speaker 4: going for. It is all set in that very antarctic nighttime.
Speaker 4: There are reference the movie. There's the likeness of John Carpenter,
Speaker 4: and you'll see cameos from other characters from the movie
Speaker 4: and stuff. It was meant to be like a canonical
Speaker 4: follow up to the movie. So it's just like all
Speaker 4: those things are really cool that it takes from the movie,
Speaker 4: where it's like the tiny little critters and stuff you
Speaker 4: can kill, which is like a gun, but like the
Speaker 4: bigger things are like if one of your crewmates turns
Speaker 4: into the thing, you need to shoot him with guns
Speaker 4: and stuff until he's weaken up, and then you turn
Speaker 4: on like a blow toward to a flamethrower or flame
Speaker 4: grenade to just torch him.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I really respect. I respected.
Speaker 4: I respect the ambition more than maybe I enjoyed the
Speaker 4: moment to moment. Although I didn't like the moment to moment.
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was a bad game by any means.
Speaker 4: But more than anything, I was just like, kind of
Speaker 4: impressed with the ambition of this thing in an era
Speaker 4: where license games had anything but ambition.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, well I check this out. It was cool.
Speaker 3: I writ a great steam Deck game. I play the
Speaker 3: whole thing on steam Deck.
Speaker 1: It was great. Cool. Mary, have you played that? You
Speaker 1: origin like the game or the remass? Sure, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's something you play.
Speaker 2: Uh No, I feel like I should and I have not,
Speaker 2: And this is all news to me. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: honest with you. I don't think I knew that this
Speaker 2: game was ever a thing.
Speaker 3: It's called the Thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that it existed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's not really one that anyone
Speaker 3: talked about that much.
Speaker 2: It's just that every time the Thing ever had any adaptations,
Speaker 2: including like sequels, they were dog shit. And I'm just
Speaker 2: when things are perfect, you just don't mess with them.
Speaker 4: So and this isn't perfect, but like I do feel
Speaker 4: like it. It's earnest and it's it's clearly came from
Speaker 4: people who loved the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 2: I mean I find that appealing. I really really liked
Speaker 2: I mean, this is my favorite movie. It's just hard
Speaker 2: to like imagine it as a game, but I could be.
Speaker 3: I could be convinced it's better than you might think
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 2: All right, I would like to play it, just just
Speaker 2: to have the experience of it. And Michael.
Speaker 1: War Hammer, Oh yeah, I won't talk that about that enough.
Speaker 1: Vinnie and I have started both of our campaigns for
Speaker 1: the shows we're doing. I've seen a bunch of people
Speaker 1: say they are subscribing to both to watch the Evil
Speaker 1: and the Good campaign. It's going well, then, he's learning quickly.
Speaker 1: The Good campaign is a lot more in depth because
Speaker 1: he's playing we're playing fact, He's playing a faction that
Speaker 1: takes more thought. In the Evil campaign, he's playing a
Speaker 1: faction that you just send demons with flaming swords and
Speaker 1: people on motorcycles with blood shrines and giant monsters at
Speaker 1: people and let them do their thing. But I'm the
Speaker 1: Vampire Pirates in that campaign, so I'm trying to like
Speaker 1: work my way down the ocean and come into Lustria
Speaker 1: where he's fighting. So we're going to try to figure
Speaker 1: out an alliance. I might backstab him, I might not.
Speaker 1: We'll see if I'm in a good mood that day.
Speaker 1: And then the other one's going, well, I'm a warp
Speaker 1: I'm a lizard who warps around the world do an
Speaker 1: X comstyle mission, and I'm trying to get a mission
Speaker 1: to proc to uh what's the word to spawn near him.
Speaker 1: Have not gotten that rang yet, but I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: and then once I get over there, we'll join forces.
Speaker 1: It's really fun.
Speaker 4: It's nice to play co is on both our patreon,
Speaker 4: the fire Escape Patreon and the Next Lander Patreon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Evil campaign is specific to Next Lander, and
Speaker 1: you can just you're not gonna miss any episodes of
Speaker 1: each campaign if you only subscribe to one. If you
Speaker 1: want to watch the Evil campaign, Vinnie's playing skull Taker,
Speaker 1: I'm playing Vampire Pirate captain, and then the Good campaign
Speaker 1: is on fire Escape. Both of them are the top
Speaker 1: tiers for our respective sites, So if you it's our
Speaker 1: video tier and it's there I don't know what the
Speaker 1: name of the tier. It's their top tier, so go
Speaker 1: subscribe to that if you want it. But it's very fun,
Speaker 1: a good mix of like me shirt puying Vinnie through
Speaker 1: the game and also like also just fun and funny.
Speaker 2: Plus it has Vinnie, like you can't lose. What else, Like,
Speaker 2: what a great person to go through this with. Like,
Speaker 2: we are obviously big fans of Next Lander, so this
Speaker 2: is a match made in heaven. But Vinnie is just
Speaker 2: such a lovely person to co op with. I've played
Speaker 2: co op games with Vinnie. We used to do our
Speaker 2: like cute little cozy corner games section together. It was
Speaker 2: really fun. I'm like really happy for your journey. And
Speaker 2: I feel like anyone who loves Vinnie's gots to get
Speaker 2: in on this series. It's a miss to not see this.
Speaker 3: And if you don't love Vinnie, maybe try to figure
Speaker 3: out what's wrong with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just like put up with Mike. It's Vinnie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, Mike's not great, we all agree, but Vinnie's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's Vinnie and me, but Vinnie and Mike's there and
Speaker 1: me and Vinnie. Guys want to do you guys want
Speaker 1: to talk about some you want through emails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vinnie, that'd be great, all right.
Speaker 1: As usual, you can write in questions you want read
Speaker 1: on the show. Comment concerns to fire Escape cast at gmail.
Speaker 3: Concerns dot com.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we read concerns. Don't you were about that? It's
Speaker 1: Firescape past at gmail dot com. We've got some questions
Speaker 1: left in the tank, but send in some morgues. We've
Speaker 1: been going through them. Which one we want to start
Speaker 1: with this week? Wes, who's a constant emailer, always sends
Speaker 1: in good questions. This one I did. We had that
Speaker 1: conversation several episodes ago where we were saying some of
Speaker 1: these would be better if we knew beforehand. We were
Speaker 1: aware of this one, and I like during our breaks
Speaker 1: when we're recording, I've thought of a few answers and
Speaker 1: I think it'll be good. Mary, do you want to
Speaker 1: read this first one from Wes?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, So. I recently watched the coming of age
Speaker 2: film Sweethearts. In it, there was a minor character named
Speaker 2: Kurt who had like a minute of screen time, but
Speaker 2: he absolutely nailed it and ended up being one of
Speaker 2: the most memorable parts of the whole movie. What are
Speaker 2: some of your favorite minor characters in movies that had
Speaker 2: a big impact on the film. Thanks West from Baltimore.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna caveat this and say, I don't think this
Speaker 2: is just a big impact on the film, but like
Speaker 2: big impact on you, right, Like you're like, I.
Speaker 1: Love I'm just thinking of it like amazing actors who
Speaker 1: fucking stole that one scene they were in.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, so mine is very much of that, because
Speaker 4: it's not a big impact on the film. In fact,
Speaker 4: I think most people who have seen Roadhouse, which is
Speaker 4: my choice here, probably don't even remember this moment.
Speaker 3: But it's just one of the fucking henchmen.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: He's gonna do it, Mike's gonna do no. No, You're
Speaker 4: not getting in there with the legs, all right. I
Speaker 4: am not nearly as aggressive as the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. I know. They even describe it for
Speaker 1: our audio listeners. So it.
Speaker 4: Is near the end were Swayze is like driving a
Speaker 4: car into the evil guy house or whatever, and there's
Speaker 4: just a bunch of henchmen out on the lawn with
Speaker 4: like shotguns and they're all just looking like eighties you know,
Speaker 4: movie henchmen and stuff. But There's one guy with a
Speaker 4: hilarious fucking mustache who was doing the funniest fucking thing
Speaker 4: with his leg ever and face while he Shooting's like
Speaker 4: the leg you can't like.
Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, I don't he's I don't understand.
Speaker 1: No one's ever shot a gun like this ever. In fact,
Speaker 1: it's detrimental to shooting a gun to lift your leg
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a shotgun. He's shooting at a car and it's
Speaker 4: speeding and like we just die. We frame by frame
Speaker 4: that in college, like just the best ship.
Speaker 1: It's really good. He's good. There's one line I don't
Speaker 1: even know if you can see the character when he
Speaker 1: says this caveat this by saying, I don't know how
Speaker 1: cool Runnings has aged. I was just thinking about that,
Speaker 1: But you were just thinking of cool running, thinking about
Speaker 1: yeah becau.
Speaker 4: Jeff Grebb was talking about doing a toboggan trip with
Speaker 4: his family, and I was like, woll, what's the difference
Speaker 4: to that?
Speaker 3: No, how was cool Runnings held up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Runs?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So again. I barely remember most of the movie, but
Speaker 1: I do remember this one scene where the characters basically
Speaker 1: like convincing the Jamaican guys to do the bob Sled event,
Speaker 1: and he's giving the speech in next to a bob
Speaker 1: sled and there's a crowd, and he says, the bob Sled,
Speaker 1: Gentleman is a sophisticated machine. And then just in the background,
Speaker 1: you hear some random dude shout, yeah, so it's a toilet.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: My friend and I have just quoted that our whole lives,
Speaker 1: just and it gets more ridiculous each time we say it.
Speaker 1: So at this point we just be like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was a toilet. That guy just that's one of the
Speaker 1: funniest things I've ever heard in my life. And I
Speaker 1: don't I don't even think he's credit. I don't think
Speaker 1: they show him, and they might, but in my memory
Speaker 1: they don't. He's just some unnamed person.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I did it differently.
Speaker 2: I was thinking of someone who was on the main
Speaker 2: character and like, maybe not.
Speaker 1: Actual characters yet, but it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that they are like a nothing character. I
Speaker 2: just recently watched The Big Lebowski again. It has so
Speaker 2: many memorable characters, but I think one person that really
Speaker 2: just blew my mind because I kept thinking about them
Speaker 2: later was Julian Moore, who plays the crazy artist in it,
Speaker 2: and she just has she has such great it's her delivery.
Speaker 2: You have to see the doctor please. He's good and
Speaker 2: thorough and she's just so dictionate and every line she
Speaker 2: delivers I can't get out of my head.
Speaker 4: Coen Brothers are fantastic, fantastic characters.
Speaker 1: One of my Yeah, Alfred Molina and Buggie Knights of
Speaker 1: the Firecrackers and and he fucking sells it. And then
Speaker 1: he just starts singing Jesse's No not what song is this?
Speaker 1: It's No.
Speaker 3: Eight six, seven, three or nine or it's one of
Speaker 3: those like eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And is Juzefan in this back car? Yeah? But
Speaker 1: he's amazing in that scene. He's another one. It's like,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that movie. That scene is basically integral
Speaker 1: in the sense that that's showing his continued downfall. But
Speaker 1: I still think the movie could exist without the scene.
Speaker 1: But I can't imagine existing because of his performance. Oh
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the Cohen's reminds me that there's a part
Speaker 4: in Raising Arizona where Nicholas Cage is like going to
Speaker 4: a gas station like side of the road and highway
Speaker 4: and he's like looking at the balloons. There's like a
Speaker 4: bunch of balloons on the counter, and he's like, do
Speaker 4: we got any balloons that come in like, you know, funny,
Speaker 4: funny shapes or anything like that. And there's just this
Speaker 4: like older guy working the gas station, stone faced, and
Speaker 4: he goes, not unless round's funny.
Speaker 1: It's a good line. Well, the in the gas station
Speaker 1: scene with Anton Sugar Oh the No Country. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: dude he's talking to is perfect for that scene. Just
Speaker 1: this like West Texas dude, who it now that I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of this scene, I mean that scene's amazing for
Speaker 1: the coin flip monologue. But he also at one point
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, so I own this shop. Well, my
Speaker 1: wife's father owned it. So Anton Schiger like coughs, He's like,
Speaker 1: you inherited this gas station was the most like he's
Speaker 1: already this evil character. He's just being so fucking condescending
Speaker 1: to this guy that he's about to potentially kill if
Speaker 1: the coin lands a certain way. Also a recent one
Speaker 1: which was not funny. In fact, it was very grim.
Speaker 1: Jesse Plemon's character in Civil War. He was fucking amazing
Speaker 1: in that role. And I don't think he has more
Speaker 1: than the scene itself is a is like probably maybe
Speaker 1: six minutes, but he is he is like he talks
Speaker 1: for three of them and he's I.
Speaker 3: Mean, you're telling the trailer of that. When he's like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, kind of American area, it.
Speaker 1: Like like, oh this, yeah is amazing. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: uncomfortable as they as Alex Garland wanted me to be
Speaker 1: that whole scene. It was rough. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I have any others that are like coming and out,
Speaker 1: and there's probably some like supporting characters that say a
Speaker 1: one offline that I quote all the time to my
Speaker 1: friends and just forgot about.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Chris Farley and dirty work, dirty work.
Speaker 1: Dirty work. You sent me the scene with Norm in
Speaker 1: the movie theater and what's his name? Oh Don Rickles,
Speaker 1: Don Rickles, Yeah, keeps making him laugh.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's good.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, ol for Milliam is great. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was a toilet Okay, Dan, you want to
Speaker 1: read this one from Oh actually, yeah, I guess does
Speaker 1: make more sense if you read let me let me
Speaker 1: read this one.
Speaker 4: Oh, let me raise my desk for my camera. This
Speaker 4: might be wanting to watch the video for Maybe we'll
Speaker 4: do a social okay.
Speaker 1: I did check with Dan before this to see whether
Speaker 1: he wants to double up with giant bomb content, but
Speaker 1: oh no, we can do this. Yes, hey, fire escapists.
Speaker 1: I'm currently watching a program titled Voicemail Dump Truck that
Speaker 1: a certain Dan Riker is on. He's attempting to Oh,
Speaker 1: he's currently watching it. Okay, he's attempting to explain how
Speaker 1: he puts his phone in his pocket. Since I greatly
Speaker 1: value your collective input, if it's not too much trouble,
Speaker 1: please give us a live reaction to Dan as he
Speaker 1: demonstrates how to put his phone in his pocket. And
Speaker 1: also please ask Dan what the fuck he is doing
Speaker 1: after you witness it. Thanks, This is very important. Jerry
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin. So Mary and I don't know.
Speaker 3: You haven't seen the clips or anything. So you're totally.
Speaker 1: Imagine based on the email. If you're doing well, it's.
Speaker 4: Okay, or maybe you will for the audio listener. For
Speaker 4: the audio listener, definitely describe what you're seeing here. Well,
Speaker 4: let me start by asking when you put your phone
Speaker 4: in your pocket?
Speaker 1: Oh, now I'm wordy, I do it weird? Well?
Speaker 3: Which, first of all, which pocket you're doing?
Speaker 1: Front? You're doing? Back?
Speaker 3: I do front your front.
Speaker 1: Mary.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we'rell on the same page here, screen out, screen.
Speaker 1: In, screen facing my thigh, Mary, I don't care.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's probably reasonable. The charging port is that facing
Speaker 4: down into the pocket or up towards your face, facing
Speaker 4: up toward me like okay, I kind of treat it
Speaker 4: like a gun holster again, and I do not care
Speaker 4: or sa Mary. You're probably the reasonable one here. Okay, Mike,
Speaker 4: you were doing it the total opposite way of me.
Speaker 4: I do screen out, port down, and so this is
Speaker 4: what everyone freaked out about, is how you have to
Speaker 4: pull it out. So let's say, so I've got my
Speaker 4: phone in my pocket as described right now. Yeah, as always,
Speaker 4: it's poured down, screen out. So if someone's sending me
Speaker 4: a text, this is what I have to do. Okay,
Speaker 4: and just describe what I'm doing here because I'm in
Speaker 4: a backup.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's backing up. Someone just send him a text. Okay.
Speaker 1: He's realizing he just pulled it out. Wow, you just
Speaker 1: did like a one to eighty, like a but a
Speaker 1: forward gainer twirl with your one more time? Okay, sound okay,
Speaker 1: do it slower more slowly. He's slow motion. Am getting
Speaker 1: a text. Yeah, I think you got it's vibrating. It's
Speaker 1: like a gym. It's a fucking like twirl and a twist.
Speaker 1: Now let me ask, so you do port Yes, so
Speaker 1: watch screened. Well, okay, and then I'll try your way
Speaker 1: to Okay, tell me I'll get in a text. You're
Speaker 1: getting a text, Mike.
Speaker 2: This isn't how phones work.
Speaker 3: He had to do a little turn. He had do
Speaker 3: an inverted hand.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to spin it. It was in my position,
Speaker 1: in my hand, I just flipped it.
Speaker 3: Now I've got my phone in my pocket. Mike's style
Speaker 3: weird style.
Speaker 1: Now let me try this. Yeah, to be clear, I
Speaker 1: pulled my phone out. And then you know, if you
Speaker 1: have a text, you have to cut. Yes, you're getting
Speaker 1: it getting a text?
Speaker 3: What There's so many more steps involved. If you do
Speaker 3: it your way, mic.
Speaker 1: I just showed you how to do it normally. If
Speaker 1: you put your.
Speaker 3: Hands, do it again.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're getting a text. Okay, Wait, so what are
Speaker 4: you doing? Go slower so I can see. I'll try
Speaker 4: it your way.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm reaching into. Let's do it on the outside
Speaker 1: of my pocket. Pretend it's X ray reaching in. I'm
Speaker 1: grabbing it. My hand is already in the position it's
Speaker 1: going to be when I finally read it. I pull
Speaker 1: it out and I look at my phone. Let me
Speaker 1: try like a gun like you don't let me make
Speaker 1: you're like doc holidaying with your phone.
Speaker 4: And it's not necessary. So screen and so it's upstand
Speaker 4: down both ways. Okay, it's not up.
Speaker 1: Am I getting a text? Go? Yes? You are? What?
Speaker 1: Is he so fucked up?
Speaker 3: When I pull it out of my pocket that way?
Speaker 1: Okay? I was at first trying to do it your way,
Speaker 1: but it's upside down first and up first. I have
Speaker 1: to are you sure you're doing it my way? Because
Speaker 1: at first I thought you were. You're saying upside down
Speaker 1: screen in so let me try. Let's see you know what? Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is time. Look here's here's the camera on
Speaker 1: my phone. Literally it's flipped upside down like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the camera.
Speaker 1: You see that? Yes? Put okay, yes, okay, slip it
Speaker 1: into your pocket and don't let go of the phone.
Speaker 1: Don't let go the phone. Now pull it out the
Speaker 1: same way you just put it in. Do the reverse,
Speaker 1: b just.
Speaker 5: Just do the reverse of how you put it into
Speaker 5: your pocket. We're so confused how simple it is.
Speaker 2: It can't be that simple.
Speaker 3: That is better?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you go no, no, no, no, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do. To be clear, I get.
Speaker 1: I get how muscle memory is a powerful thing, Like
Speaker 1: I have you had a shower before? Well we talked
Speaker 1: too much about showers last time when you yeah, stop,
Speaker 1: it feels weird what you're doing because you did one
Speaker 1: thing out of order, like, oh god, I got to
Speaker 1: start over. Like I get it, but I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what you're doing. You you had to do
Speaker 1: like two full spins, so let me go slow my way.
Speaker 1: I have to describe it to listeners. I I don't
Speaker 1: know how it looks like this way, So I'm going
Speaker 1: mm hmm. I mean that's that's definitely not as simple
Speaker 1: as I right, no, but there's no but the way
Speaker 1: you just did it, it's almost like in order to
Speaker 1: do what you just did when your phone is put
Speaker 1: in your pocket like I do, instead of just going
Speaker 1: to the simplest route like I just showed you, your
Speaker 1: body' is like, oh, we need to do hours and
Speaker 1: then a ring like account for the second one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I'm gonna have to like, look, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Keep doing what you've been doing.
Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want. There's a reason that
Speaker 2: when cops holster their gune, when that they put their
Speaker 2: hand in the holster, it's in the exact position that
Speaker 2: it needs to be to use the gun. And I
Speaker 2: ask you, have you ever seen a cop where they
Speaker 2: have to take the gun and then turn it around
Speaker 2: and flip it.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: Wow, there's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Things where they could do it to the Wild West
Speaker 1: gun thing, because I like to think of Dan going
Speaker 1: into the middle of like this, like there's a tumbleweed
Speaker 1: goes by challenges to a duel. Yeah, the revolver gun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your gun. In this metaphor, the barrel would be pointing
Speaker 1: up and the handle would be forward. Look if I
Speaker 1: as long as I get there quick enough, that's all
Speaker 1: the other.
Speaker 2: Off's work.
Speaker 1: Well, the part where I.
Speaker 4: Got extra confusing was I was like, oh God, is
Speaker 4: this some stupid thing that like, is this a genetic thing?
Speaker 4: I called my dad on the dump truck live and
Speaker 4: I put them on a speakerphone. It was like, Dad,
Speaker 4: when you put your phone in your pocket, is it
Speaker 4: screen out screen in?
Speaker 3: And he said, it's facing my ass.
Speaker 1: How he goes back pocket. It's back pocket, I think,
Speaker 1: am I correct in thinking a lot more women put
Speaker 1: their phone in their back pocket? I think because of
Speaker 1: pant I think women have pant pocket.
Speaker 2: Option is thatationally, front pockets in our pants are deceptively shallow,
Speaker 2: and that's to allow for like maximum thinness. We look
Speaker 2: really streamlined. But I do think that our pants in
Speaker 2: general are sexist. My favorite dresses have pockets.
Speaker 3: Okays are great. We should bring cargo pants back?
Speaker 1: They are there? Are they? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Good news?
Speaker 1: Dan? Yeah? Really? Could I get wearing cargo pants a
Speaker 1: good I mean there's a third they're they're like I
Speaker 1: don't know what brands are selling, but there's like nice
Speaker 1: ones of people are.
Speaker 2: Par of Jenko's.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 4: No, I even back in the day, I was in
Speaker 4: the ground zero of Jinko's culture, and I never I
Speaker 4: was too afraid to do jink I don't want to
Speaker 4: stand out hanging off of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to stand out.
Speaker 1: Like a loose fit. Yeah, like these are these are
Speaker 1: I'll send it to discord. These are in now? I
Speaker 1: see these a fair amount more and more every day
Speaker 1: like that, you've probably seen these four Now that you
Speaker 1: think of it, kind of a bit baggy, loose fitting,
Speaker 1: but like the olive green okay, like gapscot One something.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, cargo.
Speaker 4: That's great, especially now because I always want to carry
Speaker 4: around a bunch of like handheld and stuff.
Speaker 1: Remember remember Carpenter jeans with the hammer loop. Did you
Speaker 1: wear those? Was? No?
Speaker 4: Again, I never wore anything that was in style. I
Speaker 4: just didn't want to be noticed ever. So just like
Speaker 4: plain colors and normal pants and nothing in trend ever.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, but anyway, Yeah, I keep doing what
Speaker 1: works for you, but I I will, but I do.
Speaker 1: You did help me there.
Speaker 4: I think doing it outside the pants I think showed
Speaker 4: me that, like, oh that is a pretty smooth Yeah.
Speaker 2: You all thought it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twist it's like part of your like little mini
Speaker 1: routines throughout the day.
Speaker 2: You can't do it. You can open your phone however
Speaker 2: you want. I think they just want the acknowledgment that
Speaker 2: it's not it was street.
Speaker 1: It was confusing that you thought that was the simplest way.
Speaker 3: I never I just never thought about it ever. It's
Speaker 3: just like that's how you put your phone in your pocket.
Speaker 1: Because I will say I think that's it.
Speaker 4: It's like I'm not going to intentionally ever put something
Speaker 4: upside down.
Speaker 1: But it would just be so Honestly, Now, the more
Speaker 1: I think about it, kind of is weird because that
Speaker 1: would be relliant, that would be more. It's it's not
Speaker 1: the screen facing out that messes with me. It's the
Speaker 1: charging port, the bottom of the phone being at the bottom.
Speaker 3: That's them. But that's the bottom. What's the bottom of
Speaker 3: your body? Your feet?
Speaker 1: I don't disagree that it's the bottom of the phone.
Speaker 1: It literally it is, but you're not. That's not how
Speaker 1: like pockets work. Again, that's my like. That is the
Speaker 1: barrel of the gun facing up.
Speaker 4: When you put your wallet in your pocket? Are all
Speaker 4: of the dollar bills upside down? No one thinks about that.
Speaker 4: I can't even follow my own dumb logic.
Speaker 1: That I put in actually.
Speaker 2: Heads facing of.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not that O use a do use
Speaker 1: a bifold wallet? I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: I got one of those minimalist gimmicks. If it's like
Speaker 3: five cards, yeah.
Speaker 1: I still use a wallet, I will say. People who
Speaker 1: put their wallet, I'm curious now if there are anybody
Speaker 1: who puts their wallet in their pocket. Crease up, open
Speaker 1: part down, No, open part down is what I do
Speaker 1: really that feels. It feels if it's like the open
Speaker 1: party is near the opening, there's too much open it down.
Speaker 1: I could see that logic, but I feel like it's
Speaker 1: more likely it will like something will fall out into
Speaker 1: my like be less secure. And also again, when I
Speaker 1: pull it out, it's already at the facing the way
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be.
Speaker 4: Straight out wallet, but the opening is facing up. All
Speaker 4: things would fall out if they were facing down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Well, thank you from Jerry in Wisconsin. Uh, Dan,
Speaker 1: you want to read this one. This is not necessarily
Speaker 1: for me. It just mentions an example of me at first.
Speaker 4: Sure, I fire Escape a fair while ago. Mike spoke
Speaker 4: about House of Leaves. His description sounded intriguing, and I
Speaker 4: finally got around to starting it this last week, about
Speaker 4: half way through and loving it. The structure is so
Speaker 4: interesting in the plot is extremely creepy and compelling. My
Speaker 4: question is, do any of you have any recommendations in
Speaker 4: this vein for books, movies, games, or any other media
Speaker 4: that play with the form of the medium to create
Speaker 4: interesting new ways to tell a narrative. The only other
Speaker 4: examples I can think of are the game The Beginner's
Speaker 4: Guide or any of the games made by Remedy, Alan Wake,
Speaker 4: one of two Control, et cetera. I would love to
Speaker 4: hear any of all thoughts on this topic. Thanks Will
Speaker 4: from Australia. Yeah, oh hell yeah, that's a fun topic.
Speaker 4: So many Yeah, well so your Beginner's guide.
Speaker 1: Check out Stanley Parable for sure, especially Stanley Parable, get
Speaker 1: the Deluxe, additional Ultra Deluxe, play the original content and
Speaker 1: then do stuff after.
Speaker 3: That's one of the best of that.
Speaker 4: Honestly, metal Gear, like metal Gear does a lot of
Speaker 4: just kind of playing with like you know, the interaction
Speaker 4: of a player in a game and things like that.
Speaker 3: Mental Gear is great at that I.
Speaker 1: Mentioned it earlier. This isn't as much as like picking
Speaker 1: apart how games are played. But I do love like
Speaker 1: her story and I didn't I didn't fully like what
Speaker 1: was the video editing one from like two years ago
Speaker 1: Sam Barlow as well, Yeah, Immortality. I didn't love the
Speaker 1: game overall, but I did like the gameplay concept of
Speaker 1: scrubbing through timelines to find like frames that were out
Speaker 1: of place. Sure, so anything by Sam Barlow.
Speaker 2: And her story is brilliant and I really appreciate you
Speaker 2: bringing it up because I think it really does mix
Speaker 2: people who love maybe like a book that's like a
Speaker 2: who Done It? Or murder mystery or where is She? Discovery?
Speaker 2: But the game is the only way where that you
Speaker 2: can actually have a choose your own ending novel, and
Speaker 2: it is the perfect use of game as a medium.
Speaker 2: But you get to discover it and read it your way,
Speaker 2: And so I really think her story is genius in that.
Speaker 2: So I just appreciate you saying that. I think that's
Speaker 2: like one of the best exams of like a genre bending.
Speaker 2: It's a book, it's a movie, it's a game. It's
Speaker 2: all three, and it's the best as a game. It
Speaker 2: has to be a game for it to work.
Speaker 1: I still like Cabin in the Woods. I went back
Speaker 1: to it recently. I was wondering if it was going
Speaker 1: to be like, has this not aged well? Was I
Speaker 1: just like in my college years, thinking oh, this is great.
Speaker 1: I don't like most shit Joss Whedon does in retrospect, but.
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that was Josh Whedon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cabin in the Woods. Unfortunately, I still like quite
Speaker 1: a bit.
Speaker 2: It's very it's such a good movie.
Speaker 1: It's so fucking fun. It's still just for it yeah,
Speaker 1: it like keeps video gamy.
Speaker 2: Changing your expectations every time you think something is going
Speaker 2: to happen. It's like fucking with you. I think it's
Speaker 2: very well done. That's such a good you're killing it.
Speaker 2: These are like examples I wish I came up with.
Speaker 1: Those are These are all like fart sniffy games. So
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that stuff.
Speaker 1: Those are all But is there subtext?
Speaker 2: Is what I want to know?
Speaker 3: This is probably about capitalists?
Speaker 1: Oh the t tarriffs?
Speaker 2: Yeh, smartly?
Speaker 1: Do you think about it? And then and then and
Speaker 1: then there's and then the met and the terriffs. Have
Speaker 1: you wait, have either of you read going back to
Speaker 1: the original email, have either of you read House of Leaves?
Speaker 1: I own it.
Speaker 4: I always liked the idea of it because like the
Speaker 4: gimmick of like, you know, the house that's bigger on
Speaker 4: the inside than it is on the outside. And then
Speaker 4: like I've seen the pages where it's like it works.
Speaker 4: There's blank pages and there's one of the texts spiraling
Speaker 4: around like I like gimmicks, Like it seems kimmicking in
Speaker 4: a good way, and I like good gimmicks.
Speaker 3: And so I've always wanted to read it.
Speaker 1: It's got control vibes for sure, like remedy, remedy, like
Speaker 1: Kyle Riley and Sam Lake absolutely like that helped inspire
Speaker 1: control among other things. I think. Actually that's two things
Speaker 1: now that just came to mind as well. SCP Foundation.
Speaker 1: Do you guys know that internet archives?
Speaker 3: I've heard of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are still fun. Every once in a while,
Speaker 1: I'll like if I'm like, if I have Wi Fi
Speaker 1: and a plane or something. Actually, actually I had a
Speaker 1: weird one where I came across a plane horror story
Speaker 1: on SCP while I was on a plane, so maybe
Speaker 1: be careful. It's an internet archive. That's basically if you're
Speaker 1: into the environmental storytelling in Control, it's very much that
Speaker 1: like CIA that hunts down and covers up supernatural shit
Speaker 1: that they don't want people to know about, and it's
Speaker 1: really eerie and surreal and off putting. There's also that
Speaker 1: other one, the backways hallways spaces, and that's very video
Speaker 1: game of fight and it's actually now, I got to
Speaker 1: let me look.
Speaker 3: At this, Mary.
Speaker 4: When we were in Portland, Cee and you, our uber
Speaker 4: driver was asking about what we did, and we brought
Speaker 4: up video games and he brought up this game and
Speaker 4: it's like we had not heard of it before, and
Speaker 4: it's like this sounds fucking crazy, and well.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's such a fun interaction to have.
Speaker 4: Ye, it was a great talk. Yeah, backways, Oh god, somebody,
Speaker 4: it's like a big building. There's different floors and stuff.
Speaker 1: Right the back back rooms. So just yeah, what is
Speaker 1: the website? It's actually really cool. It's so it's at
Speaker 1: its core, it's a collaborative fiction project that structured like
Speaker 1: SEP Foundation. If you just go to it's basically a
Speaker 1: wiki and it's designed for you to go down individual
Speaker 1: rabbit holes and if you want to write some stuff
Speaker 1: for it, you have to post photos and you have
Speaker 1: to describe the rules of how they got there. It's
Speaker 1: the fiction is like once someone gets into the back rooms,
Speaker 1: they're caught there forever. But most of the photos start
Speaker 1: with like liminal spaces, like abandoned. There's the one that
Speaker 1: really has stuck with me. Did you guys ever go
Speaker 1: into the back hallways like the maintenance corridors at your mall?
Speaker 4: I've been in those type of things that like a
Speaker 4: bunch of like arenas and different so I feel like
Speaker 4: I know what you're talking.
Speaker 1: I used to. I met someone who worked down in
Speaker 1: the food court when I was working on My first
Speaker 1: job was at the movie theater Regal Cinema is the
Speaker 1: Carousel Ball at the time. It's now Destiny and Syracuse.
Speaker 1: And to get from the movie theater, which was third floor,
Speaker 1: I used to have to go across these two walkways
Speaker 1: and I'm terrified of heights, and the center of this
Speaker 1: mall is big and open, and I would hate going
Speaker 1: across the hallways. I got a new conversation with someone
Speaker 1: at the time who worked down in the food court,
Speaker 1: and I was saying, I hate having to walk across
Speaker 1: those to get back to the main escalator. She's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: just take the back stairs down the back hallway. I'm
Speaker 1: out behind the taco bell and you'll be near the
Speaker 1: parking lot. I'm like, oh, wouldn't I be in trouble.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you work here. No one gives a
Speaker 1: Shit's not like the custodian's gonna be like, hey, what
Speaker 1: are you doing. You're in a fucking the red Polo
Speaker 1: shirt that says Regal Cinema. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I guess like this is what it feels like to
Speaker 1: have some privilege. And then so I went down, And
Speaker 1: there are certain nights when I got out at like
Speaker 1: two am, after Resistance with Daniel Craig had ended, and
Speaker 1: I cleaned up the final movie theater and I went
Speaker 1: down and it would be just empty and eerie, and
Speaker 1: it was so weird because I knew this whole public
Speaker 1: space was right next to me, but there was no
Speaker 1: one in these ways. It felt like I was trespassing
Speaker 1: even though I hadn't. So the back Rooms is very
Speaker 1: much about those quote unquote liminal spaces. Sure, abandoned places
Speaker 1: that used to have a purpose. Now they just feel
Speaker 1: like they're floating in the middle of nowhere, and it's
Speaker 1: actually kind of cool. You can lose hours. It's just
Speaker 1: if you've ever gone down a wiki rabbit hole, that's
Speaker 1: what it is like. Oh so to get to level three,
Speaker 1: which is just these like abandoned underground maintenance corridors with
Speaker 1: pipes running, and then oh, if you get to level four,
Speaker 1: no one's ever come out, and then there's different factions
Speaker 1: down there. I don't like that stuff. I just like
Speaker 1: the horror more. It's like it's pitch black. There's no noise,
Speaker 1: supposedly we did find a no then how would they
Speaker 1: have escaped? I don't know. They're like, if you get
Speaker 1: down there, there's been rumors that there's a pitch black
Speaker 1: level and it stretches on for as long as like Canada,
Speaker 1: and no one's ever gotten out and they can't see
Speaker 1: and then they have to feel their way around the
Speaker 1: walls and map it out like that. It's cool, but
Speaker 1: it plays with the act of going down a rabbit
Speaker 1: hole in a really interesting way. And also some of
Speaker 1: the people on there super talented writers. There's actually a
Speaker 1: young game developer who I don't know what the progress is,
Speaker 1: but was making a video game based on it, and
Speaker 1: people are like, when's it happening, when's coming out? I
Speaker 1: think it's on Steam like the preview page. But yeah,
Speaker 1: super cool stuff. I have two.
Speaker 2: I think Dokye Dokie Literature Club belongs in here because
Speaker 2: it is genre bending where you think you're having an
Speaker 2: experience and it's not the experience you expected. Dan, do
Speaker 2: you know anything about dokyduk?
Speaker 3: You literally a vis right?
Speaker 2: It is, yeah, but it takes he knows he It
Speaker 2: takes large twists and turns, and it also does really
Speaker 2: fun stuff where it like it self quits if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. It does the thing there's a bit of
Speaker 2: a spoiler, but I think it's it helps to answer this,
Speaker 2: which is like it does this thing where like it
Speaker 2: says it's going to quit the game, but you're still
Speaker 2: in the game, and it even like shows you the
Speaker 2: file of where the game is on your computer. Shit
Speaker 2: like that. It fucks with you. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: that's so brilliant where it's like, we know you're playing
Speaker 2: a game, but that doesn't mean you're out, bitch, like
Speaker 2: you think you can quit me. That shit is so
Speaker 2: sick when it does stuff like that. Another game that
Speaker 2: does that is Inscription. Inscription as a section where it
Speaker 2: actually shows you files on your computer and says, I'm
Speaker 2: going to delete this permanently off your computer if you
Speaker 2: don't do what I say, And it might show you
Speaker 2: a file that you really like, right like it might
Speaker 2: show you like me and Me Ma Photos twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: and you'll be like, I can't lose this. And it's
Speaker 2: just like, it's very interesting that it actually searches your
Speaker 2: fucking hard drive for files that you personally have and
Speaker 2: then throws it back in your face as a way
Speaker 2: to like whether or not you are going to be
Speaker 2: able to get through that game. I think both of
Speaker 2: those examples are great games where they they literally play
Speaker 2: on your your brain that you can always quit the game,
Speaker 2: and these games are like but can you? And I
Speaker 2: really respect that in the genre for going outside of
Speaker 2: the box of maybe you can't quit the game. Maybe
Speaker 2: the game is playing you and if you think you
Speaker 2: can leave, then this is we're like actually gonna fuck
Speaker 2: with you now and we're gonna get you such a
Speaker 2: good moment. Anytime a game can do.
Speaker 4: That to you, And that's the stuff that makes me
Speaker 4: think of like when I say Meddle, you're solid because
Speaker 4: like specifically the narrow down to one and two, you
Speaker 4: know one had the boss fight with Psychomantis where he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to read your mind and he reads your
Speaker 4: fucking PlayStation memory.
Speaker 3: Card like Castlevania Symphony the Night.
Speaker 4: That's my saying stuff based on like, oh, you easily
Speaker 4: fall for traps and he'll only say that if you
Speaker 4: fell into a bunch of traps and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And then in two when like to the colonel calls
Speaker 4: like right, and you've been playing the game a long time,
Speaker 4: you should probably turn the game off. You should probably
Speaker 4: stop playing this video game. Like it's just like so
Speaker 4: many people were like, I've been playing for six hours.
Speaker 4: This points in the middle of the night, and the
Speaker 4: colonel's telling me, like to just turn off my PlayStation
Speaker 4: two and.
Speaker 2: Telling me to turn off my station two.
Speaker 1: Imagine a kid coming up to the like the living
Speaker 1: room and his mom didn't know what he was doing,
Speaker 1: and the kids like, yeah, the colonel told me to
Speaker 1: stop playing. Yeah, like there one and two.
Speaker 4: I think, really, if you play one and then you
Speaker 4: played two, the entirety of two is just this commentary
Speaker 4: on expectations of a sequel and the player relationship to
Speaker 4: a character and stuff from controlling Solid Snake and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, and you were basically riding's kind of the
Speaker 4: surrogate for the player. It is you need to play
Speaker 4: both of them and then just look up a bunch
Speaker 4: of shit. And I'm sure there's a million YouTube videos
Speaker 4: about the subtext of two, and it is just I
Speaker 4: still think it's the most fascinating thing that video games
Speaker 4: have ever done.
Speaker 3: Is middle of your selid two.
Speaker 1: There, remind me have a few last ones or for
Speaker 1: me last ones monument Valley. Those mobile puzzle games. Third
Speaker 1: one just came out on Netflix recently through Netflix subscription.
Speaker 1: But the way you're kind of rotating your phone and
Speaker 1: playing with perspective, same with fees. Yeah, speaking of fez
Speaker 1: games that basically tell you up front you should have
Speaker 1: a notebook as an ancillary thing. Return of the ober
Speaker 1: Din Oh and LAURAAI and her Laser Eyes, which I
Speaker 1: still have. Sorry, Jake, I still have not played. I
Speaker 1: need to. I told Jake it's top of my list.
Speaker 1: Simogo the top of my list. Swedish developer who'd made
Speaker 1: her Laser Eyes and Cyanara Wildheart's the former of the
Speaker 1: latter of which I don't love made device nine or
Speaker 1: device six, Device six back in twenty thirteen. Mobile puzzle game.
Speaker 1: If you're looking for a good puzzle game, and I
Speaker 1: know it's twelve years old at this point, if you
Speaker 1: could still find it on I don't know why it
Speaker 1: wouldn't still be in the Apple Store, probably only a
Speaker 1: few dollars. Three hour puzzle game. Incredible aesthetic kind of
Speaker 1: like weird art deco, mid century modern, but eerie incredible puzzles.
Speaker 1: I remember weirdly. I talked to Jeff Cork who also
Speaker 1: loved it back in the day because I had just
Speaker 1: finished my Internship when it came out, and I had
Speaker 1: messaged him saying it seems like something he would like,
Speaker 1: and he said he would already played it. But that game,
Speaker 1: similarly is playing with being a phone mobile game, which
Speaker 1: was pretty cool back in twenty thirteen on my I
Speaker 1: might have even played that on my eye touch at
Speaker 1: the time. I can't remember what phone I would have
Speaker 1: had in twenty thirteen, but anyway, I like that stuff
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, all right, thanks, that's a good question.
Speaker 2: It's great to just ask that because I usually do
Speaker 2: find my favorite things by saying, like, this is something
Speaker 2: that maybe you don't recognize is so valuable because it's
Speaker 2: niche in this very nuanced way. I think it's cool
Speaker 2: to have that conversation where you're just like, this isn't
Speaker 2: for everyone. Like the games we've all recommended aren't universally beloved.
Speaker 2: They're just like really good for a very specific reason,
Speaker 2: which is just they're kind of fucked up and play
Speaker 2: with you a little bit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all right, thank you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought of another. I thought of another one
Speaker 2: that uses the medium really well. Yes, undertail. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it's crazy, guys, Like it's just like you'll like play
Speaker 2: the game and by the end of it it'll be like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean you murdered people?
Speaker 1: Like it's so near automata. That's a good trigger.
Speaker 2: Back in ninety eight, was doing was like the first
Speaker 2: it was like laid the groundwork for this question.
Speaker 1: You're my way off with ninety.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one thing that I thought was sending cowardly
Speaker 4: about fucking Sindy was the whatever the head? Well yeah,
Speaker 4: they said that, like, oh yeah, if you do this
Speaker 4: or if it gets too bad, it's going to delete
Speaker 4: your save. Oh oh, I fucking love that's some Kajimas ship.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: And it turns out it was just a bluff, and
Speaker 3: it's like, no, fucking commit to it. If you're going
Speaker 3: to say it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna say that delete my safe because I suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I want that.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. There was a point where I
Speaker 2: was losing and like I just wasn't doing good enough,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't want my save to
Speaker 2: be deleted.
Speaker 1: But man, it real? Yeah it made in playing Devil's Advocate?
Speaker 1: Didn't it make it more tense every time you died
Speaker 1: because you thought it was real? Kill?
Speaker 3: It was real?
Speaker 1: I can't agree.
Speaker 4: I agree, But like Kajemo wanted to be a fucking
Speaker 4: game back in the PlayStation era when if you died,
Speaker 4: your fucking disc.
Speaker 1: Burnt up just drive. Yes, I know, I so wish
Speaker 1: that happened. He made the game he made Tie where
Speaker 1: you has a solar panel and you have to take
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 2: Then it's like a banksy it like it like erases
Speaker 2: itself and like ships its pants if you don't win.
Speaker 1: But but like I want to draw the comparison between
Speaker 1: Kojima and uh ninja theory? Am I getting? Is a
Speaker 1: ninja theory?
Speaker 3: Gama has balls? Ninja theory doesn't hold on?
Speaker 1: Hold on? Is it ninja theory? I want to make
Speaker 1: sure I'm naming them correctly before I say this, yeah
Speaker 1: theory blade, I mean I get that gick. So, so
Speaker 1: Kojima never lied about anything, especially like big gameplay demos
Speaker 1: before a game came out. Is that what you're saying,
Speaker 1: he should.
Speaker 3: Have stopped lying about the fucking.
Speaker 1: Going to be and that was incredible? Okay, So he lies,
Speaker 1: obsting the He lied in order to get to an
Speaker 1: intended emotional effect with the game. They lied because they
Speaker 1: wanted to feel like you might lose your progress at
Speaker 1: one point. It's just there's similar.
Speaker 4: But when you found out so smarts' if you when
Speaker 4: you find out the reasoning for why Kajima did that,
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, I get that. When it's you find
Speaker 4: out what happened with the hell Blade, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: they're cowards.
Speaker 1: No, they were creating. They were making it more tense
Speaker 1: every time they've done did you find out balls? Hell Blade?
Speaker 3: Cowards?
Speaker 1: Kajima was trying to get to the player, to a
Speaker 1: specific place.
Speaker 4: The great game to have big balls, just swinging, hairy
Speaker 4: balls coming off the disc.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like truck nuts coming off my metal.
Speaker 1: Your disk. It just won't even go into your console
Speaker 1: because the truck nuts. They can't shut the lid.
Speaker 2: Did your game cartridge hap nut?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's discussing. You got one of these pussy as games?
Speaker 1: No nuts? Not that? What is this game? Eldon Ring
Speaker 1: has no nuts? The game's probably for posting.
Speaker 3: The Elder Ring's got nuts. Brother, No, there's no truck
Speaker 3: nuts on it.
Speaker 1: It's for pussies. No truck nuts on that game, got
Speaker 1: truck nuts? These these from soft ware guys must be
Speaker 1: huge pussy's for not putting truck nuts on their discs.
Speaker 1: It's such a stupid vision, much more than pretty small
Speaker 1: truck nuts. It's trying to go to the console, but
Speaker 1: it won't, so it just keeps trying to.
Speaker 3: Go in console because they put nuts on this.
Speaker 1: The next p S five version is going to have
Speaker 1: a slot for the nuts to go through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jim would do it. Yeah, yeah, he would do yeah.
Speaker 2: Nuts, yes, center the nuts fallen.
Speaker 4: The PS six will have a little like trough for
Speaker 4: the nuts so it doesn't break the laser.
Speaker 2: Yeh, fins so it goes upwards.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the centrifical forest the nuts.
Speaker 2: Because of the centrifugal force. Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 1: The game's gonna be it's good. The game is gonna
Speaker 1: be called like nut Trey, and it's gonna have characters
Speaker 1: like Dickman and Penis Woman and Vagina bay Tray and
Speaker 1: he's like. The intention was we wanted to create a
Speaker 1: metaphor for players who might buy a console with a
Speaker 1: truck nut slot scrotum. Dick Man is a stand in
Speaker 1: for energy drink drinkers, so we needed to include Monster.
Speaker 3: We don't deserve him, No, we don't.
Speaker 2: But I love that we're like de evolving games because
Speaker 2: we have to have little connected nut sacks on them.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: I think that's the next physical media is dead, but
Speaker 3: I think this is it's gonna come back.
Speaker 1: That's stranding. Best game of twenty twenty two was all
Speaker 1: about deconstructing Fetch quests. It's true, that's Stranding Director's cut,
Speaker 1: best game of twenty two.
Speaker 3: That's what we said.
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Speaker 1: What do you have going on in the meantime?
Speaker 4: Oh, we're doing fun stuff over at the Giant Bomb.
Speaker 4: We're launching new kind of like always on during the
Speaker 4: day programming schedule stuff, and I got my own show
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Speaker 4: I don't want to name specific shows that have been
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Speaker 4: So basically, tune into Giant Bomb or game spots, YouTube
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Speaker 4: It's been very fun cool.
Speaker 1: Mary what about you.
Speaker 2: Usual Twitch for live streaming game experiences, because I'm downloading
Speaker 2: a lot of my old VODs. They're all going on
Speaker 2: my YouTube channel just so that you can watch old
Speaker 2: Twitch pods from twenty eighteen, which is such a mind
Speaker 2: fuck for me that I've been streaming for that long.
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 1: What about you? Just here forward facing, busy with day
Speaker 1: job consulting stuff. Wine certification tests coming up on May first? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike, if I wanted to as a bit, could
Speaker 3: I sign up?
Speaker 1: And like?
Speaker 3: Could I laugh?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 3: Could? I? Yeah? Could I get past you?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: If I put my entire free time towards this, I
Speaker 3: think there's.
Speaker 1: Like an intensive, week long version of what I don't
Speaker 1: know mine sixteen weeks two and a half hours class
Speaker 1: time a week, but like sixty hours of self study.
Speaker 3: I don't think about it.
Speaker 1: You would have to you'd have to gain No, I
Speaker 1: mean feasibly maybe, but you would have you're skipping the
Speaker 1: level three.
Speaker 3: I just think it'd be funny to like, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden no more than you about it.
Speaker 1: I just think it would be hilarious as well. But
Speaker 1: just talking realistically, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well then maybe I won't do it. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: talked me off the ledge.
Speaker 1: Like what what what reagion in Spain has the most
Speaker 1: you know, the Pagos.
Speaker 3: Madrid? No, you just Spain place. That's the only Spain
Speaker 3: place I know.
Speaker 1: It's named Spain, the only Spain I know. So I
Speaker 1: got no you know other you know, at least one
Speaker 1: other big city in Spain.
Speaker 3: Hang on hand, don't wait, Madrid, Spain.
Speaker 1: Mary was here? Barcelona, right, run of the Bulls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Pamplona, Barcelona.
Speaker 2: I believe what it's called.
Speaker 3: Barcelona was the Olympics, right, it wasn't like ninety two.
Speaker 1: Or I'm sure at some point. I'm sure every city
Speaker 1: was the Olympics at some point in my lifetime. I
Speaker 1: feel like Barcelona, Atlanta the Olympics. I think Barcelona was
Speaker 1: the Olympics when I was a year old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's the one I remember. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 4: watch it, but I knew it was the only way
Speaker 4: I keep.
Speaker 2: My countries in order. It's have they been an Olympic
Speaker 2: and what year?
Speaker 1: Well that's our episode. That's what I'm too. We'll be
Speaker 1: back in the meantime. Like I said, if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this episode as of Right now, you can go
Speaker 1: watch the first episode of the evil campaign of that's
Speaker 1: called Mike and Vinnie Destroyed Vinnie and Mike Destroy the World.
Speaker 1: Next episode of Mike and Vinnie Save the World will
Speaker 1: be up on Monday this coming Monday on our Patreon,
Speaker 1: we're alternating. We got a bunch of banks, so we're
Speaker 1: not gonna miss any We'll see you in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, Dan, Mary, see you two. Yeah. Uh. Until then, everybody,
Speaker 1: have a good couple of weeks. Bye.