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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>With Cliff and Bobo. These guys, are you fav It's

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<v Speaker 2>so like say subscribe and rade it five star and

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<v Speaker 2>me greatest on Quesh today listening watching limb always keep

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<v Speaker 2>it's watching.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond with Cliff and usually Bobo. Bobo is not in today.

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<v Speaker 2>The doctor is not here, so anyway, Yeah, he's got

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<v Speaker 2>some other more pressing issues at the moment, including flat

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<v Speaker 2>tires and I don't know this crazy Bobo stuff. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to hear it directly from him when he gets back.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is another opportunity for us to do an

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<v Speaker 2>episode with Matt Pruitt. The lovely and talented Matt Prue

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<v Speaker 2>will be subbing. Hi, Matt, how you doing today?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great because this marks a historic first because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the clock and this is the first time

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<v Speaker 1>that we've ever hit record in the minute that we

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<v Speaker 1>were scheduled to start in five and a half years,

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<v Speaker 1>So congratulations to us. Yeah, I had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>great updates for Bobo, so I will miss him a

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<v Speaker 1>lot because I was really looking forward to reading some

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<v Speaker 1>sentiments that were sent in for him to him, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll save that for next time. So, Bobo, you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>missed and you'll be pleasantly surprised when you rejoin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I understand a lot of people wrote in

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<v Speaker 2>condolences about his trailer. Is that correct? Is that why

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<v Speaker 2>he's getting condolences?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think he got more sympathy for losing the

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<v Speaker 1>trailer than maybe he did for either his dog or

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<v Speaker 1>his bird.

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<v Speaker 2>So, oh my gosh, Monkey and Sergio didn't get as

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<v Speaker 2>much love as the trailer did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When Sergio transitioned to the other side, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Bobo was talking about I love that bird so much, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>he was so great. So I went back through a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of our old raw files to try to find

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<v Speaker 1>instances of him talking to the bird to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>support that everyone, and was like, Sergio shut up. So

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<v Speaker 1>Bobo's he's got a very particular way of showing love.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and it makes me think he must really

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<v Speaker 2>like me for all the cliff that I get from him.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, he's told me to shut up many times,

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<v Speaker 1>so he must adore us. He's probably doing it right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now because I know he's listening to.

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<v Speaker 2>This probably probably, yeah, he does listen to every single

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<v Speaker 2>episode and as a member, a member, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>hit that member link and I'll tell you all about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You get good stuff for an extra hour of Cliff,

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<v Speaker 2>Bobo and Matt. Every single week, you get this episode

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<v Speaker 2>with zero commercials at all. Matt Proud goes in and

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<v Speaker 2>on to make sure that your listening experience is what

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<v Speaker 2>you pay for. And what else do you get? Matt? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Matt, you know, you and I were talking

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<v Speaker 2>earlier in the week and there's a couple of things

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<v Speaker 2>that we've noticed from our audience. You know that we

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to bring attention to number one, One of our

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<v Speaker 2>most ihard fans ever was completely unaware that every once

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<v Speaker 2>can you tell us a little bit more about that,

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<v Speaker 2>because one of our most diehard fans was surprised that

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<v Speaker 2>want anybody to be missing out. What can our listening

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so when you join our Patreon account, Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>so some people will sign up for the app and

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<v Speaker 1>oh well, if you if you use the Patreon app,

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<v Speaker 1>And we also have community chats where you can chat

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<v Speaker 1>with other members of the Bigfoot and beyond membership community.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's always cool conversations going on there and people

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<v Speaker 1>really does generate a great sense of community.

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<v Speaker 2>And Bobo logs in everyone, believe or not, Bobo is

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<v Speaker 2>a member of our own podcast, so he logs in

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<v Speaker 2>every once in a while and you know, shoots the

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<v Speaker 2>poop with people and makes comments and all that sort

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<v Speaker 1>So Bobo's better about interacting there, although he does that

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<v Speaker 1>on our Facebook and Instagram accounts and things like that occasionally,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, he's good about it on Patreon. So it

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<v Speaker 1>makes it easy too. So if you are thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a member, you can get the Patreon app for free. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really great, really easy to use and interact with.

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<v Speaker 1>It just makes the whole experience a lot better than

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<v Speaker 1>and you could watch whatever video we've posted. Cliff is

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<v Speaker 1>kind enough to share a number of the ABC videos

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<v Speaker 1>with us, So if an event happens that gets captured

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<v Speaker 1>on video while close film and stuff for the ABC,

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<v Speaker 1>podcast side so people can see the visuals that went

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<v Speaker 1>do all that right through the app rather than having

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just be clear that the North American Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>Center the museum, I'm always talking about has a separate

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon account. A lot of people think that they sign

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<v Speaker 2>in for one, it's g get both, and I'm afraid

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<v Speaker 2>that's just not the case. It's a separate entity, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a separate job, it's a separate everything. So it just

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<v Speaker 2>just heads up on that one. Although there is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of crossover obviously, because you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>share whatever I can with people, so yeah, sometimes if

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<v Speaker 2>it's pertinent or whatever, the NABC videos end up on

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<v Speaker 2>the Bigfoot and Beyond video feed as well. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>the NABC members they get two a month, and the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast folks get won every blue moon. So but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>enough about all that stuff. But we're going to plow

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<v Speaker 2>what we had planned. We're just gonna kind of take

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<v Speaker 2>out those questions that are more Bobo centric and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of focus on the ones that are more Cliff and

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<v Speaker 2>Matt centric. So so Bobo will still have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it our next Q and A, but

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<v Speaker 2>in the meantime, we hop on and take the first voicemail.

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<v Speaker 1>We got two voicemails that came in recently, so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get through those first and then move on to the

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Cliff and Bobo, this is Kyle coming at you

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<v Speaker 3>from Bozeman, Montana. I was just wondering. You guys talk

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<v Speaker 2>We got I don't know. You know, that's a really

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<v Speaker 2>good question because I don't know, But I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Mattel had more insight, but you know, I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>the number five thousand calories a day tossed around, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably just based on mass or whatever. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>dimorphism in humans, just like all the rape species. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're just basing it on just mass. But what

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<v Speaker 2>they don't take into consideration is physiology. I think, like

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<v Speaker 2>in general, because the apes seem to have a rather

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<v Speaker 2>slow metabolism from what I understand, I could be wrong

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<v Speaker 2>but from I understand, they have just generally slower metabolism.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they don't need as many calories as people think.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that that's kind of a human cage we're putting

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<v Speaker 2>over the bigfoot as far as speculating how many calories

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<v Speaker 2>a day they would need. And also when you think

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<v Speaker 2>of that on average, I imagine there's plenty of days

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<v Speaker 2>where sasquatches perhaps don't eat at all, or eat very

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<v Speaker 2>And you've probably heard me speaking before about deer versus elk.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you always see where the sunlight hits the

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<v Speaker 2>forest floor, like road sides and meadows and power line

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<v Speaker 2>cuts and railways and all that sort of stuff. Because

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<v Speaker 2>deer need higher quality foods than say elk. Do elk

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<v Speaker 2>can actually feed under the forest canopy in the shade

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<v Speaker 2>where there's lower quality foods because they have an elongated

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<v Speaker 2>intestinal track, so more time and more opportunity for the

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<v Speaker 2>food product potential food product to have the nutrients extracted

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<v Speaker 2>from it by retaining contact with the intestinal walls, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and sasquatches very likely have that as well. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>can utilize very low quality foods, so that that would

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff all the time, which it might might be

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<v Speaker 2>another small contributing factor about how or why they're seen rarely.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I've talked about this before as well. When

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the good pictures, like say that beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful composite page photograph of all the different frames of

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<v Speaker 2>Long winded, and this is okay here because that's just

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<v Speaker 2>matter how slinky and fast and strong you probably are.

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<v Speaker 2>They're probably one of the more challenging prey items that

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<v Speaker 2>are on the menu recent that are with any regularity. So,

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<v Speaker 2>say that a sasquatch takes down a deer a week

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<v Speaker 2>or every two weeks and supplements their their diet with

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<v Speaker 2>all the other stuff that the stuff that not only

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<v Speaker 2>These things are also tearing apart cedar stumps, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>presumably going after grubs or termites or you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>quality foods that are available readily, you know, more or

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<v Speaker 2>less pretty much every day. They probably they can probably

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<v Speaker 2>I think rodents wouldn't be that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Are probably snacking on some rats and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm guessing. Deer and maybe small bear or

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<v Speaker 2>her life, and she has seen sasquatches on that property

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<v Speaker 2>on a number of occasions, and she says, yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 2>gone for a while, then they come back, and she says,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the big indicators that they're back at all

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<v Speaker 2>is that all the raccoons and skunks and possums go missing,

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<v Speaker 2>because the calorie caloric needs of these animals must be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty high, no matter how slow their metabolism is. So

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<v Speaker 2>those are my general thoughts. And I know that's a

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<v Speaker 2>you think your answer was long winded for I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just topped. So I don't know that we'd ever

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<v Speaker 1>be able to accurately calculate or guestimate even a sasquatch's

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<v Speaker 1>caloric requirements in the absence of observing living individuals feeding

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<v Speaker 1>over a long period of time or without a specimen.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a general rule for mammalian body size

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<v Speaker 1>and its coloric requirements, and it's called a Cliber's law

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five, or like three quarters of its three quarters

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<v Speaker 1>of the power of its body mass, So meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>basically larger animals have a higher overall energy need, but

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<v Speaker 1>they actually generate lower energy expenditures per unit of body

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<v Speaker 1>like that in and come up with some rough number,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you guestimated the weight of a sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 1>But it depends on what you're comparing it to. I

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<v Speaker 1>think comparing to humans in some regards is reasonable because

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<v Speaker 1>we're bipedal and they're bipedal, and bipedalism is a much

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<v Speaker 1>more energy efficient form of locomotion than quadrupedalism. But then

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<v Speaker 1>and we have very large brains per our body mass,

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<v Speaker 1>and the brain is a very resource intensive organ It

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<v Speaker 1>uses up a lot of energy and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>metabolism requires a lot of energy, and so there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be trade offs there whether you're comparing the sasquatch

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<v Speaker 1>to a gorilla and scaling it up or a human

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<v Speaker 1>and scaling it up. So I just don't think we'll know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I agree with you that in general would probably

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty high, but certainly not any higher than the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of energy that it would require animals of similar

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<v Speaker 1>size or weight, So we might look towards things like

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<v Speaker 1>elk or buffalo, or grizzly bears, or I mean, even

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<v Speaker 1>some black bears in some regions have attained sizes of

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred pounds. Like the coastal North Carolina black bears

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be significantly larger. I think the largest one

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<v Speaker 1>there is well over eight hundred pounds. So there's comparisons

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<v Speaker 1>to be made within the animal kingdom and even within

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<v Speaker 1>North America. But I don't think any answer would be

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<v Speaker 1>anything better than a gas, no matter how reasonable the

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<v Speaker 1>gas might be.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after these messages. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps important or something at least keep in mind, is

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<v Speaker 2>that when we think of five thousand calories a day

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that, well you got to average that out.

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<v Speaker 2>If they get two thousand one day, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be hungry and they can get some more later. You

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<v Speaker 2>know there's going to be an average of that amount.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get stuck in the human habit of very rigid thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>where if they don't get that, then they're failing somehow.

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<v Speaker 2>And that kind of goes back to the mountain lion

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<v Speaker 2>and the deer an elk. Thing I was rambling about

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<v Speaker 2>earlier is that if they bring down a deer, that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably a couple of days worth of food, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>until it starts going ran sid or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you know, they could even be employing strategies like

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<v Speaker 2>the grizzly bear it uses. Grizzly bears sometimes kill the

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<v Speaker 2>deer or elk, they eat a little bit of it,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps some of the organs, because that's highly nutritious and

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<v Speaker 2>that vitamins and all that jazz, and then they leave it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the grizzly bear continues to come back to

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<v Speaker 2>the kill site to eat the maggots that are growing

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<v Speaker 2>and breeding on the on the on the corpse. Maggots

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<v Speaker 2>are very very high in protein and calori like everything

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<v Speaker 2>good about it. You know, Maggots are a fantastic food.

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<v Speaker 2>And grizzly bears figured it out somehow, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>they actually do that. They leave the corpse for flies

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<v Speaker 2>to lay eggs, and then the larva to grow on

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<v Speaker 2>them and then they eat the larva. So sasquatches are

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<v Speaker 2>likely doing something like that as well. So anything's on

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<v Speaker 2>the table as far as sasquatch diet goes, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that they have They're clever. Animals are really really smart,

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<v Speaker 2>so they have probably figured out quite a few different

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<v Speaker 2>ways to get the necessary nutrients that they need, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or that's redundant, but then the nutrients that they need.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the best answer would just be.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, a lot, yeah, well the best the easiest

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<v Speaker 2>answer is, like I don't know, probably a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we have a podcast to do, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're thinking and talking and doing, you know. Well before

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<v Speaker 2>we go to the next question, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking while we were talking here that I want to

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<v Speaker 2>point out a couple of things and maybe clarify something before.

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<v Speaker 2>We have some pretty interesting listeners out there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>all of our listeners are special, of course, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>probably a lot of listeners that I know nothing about

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<v Speaker 2>and know nothing about their qualifications. But I know that

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<v Speaker 2>two of our listeners at least have have like advanced degrees,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've both been guests on the show before. A

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Hogan Chero, of course is a PhD in primatology.

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<v Speaker 2>He listens all the time, so shout out to him

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<v Speaker 2>and he I bring him up because a few weeks back,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe two months ago now, he was kind enough

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<v Speaker 2>structure of paranthropists and and like, because I was speaking

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<v Speaker 2>at the time about how not a lot is known

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<v Speaker 2>about these things, and he sent me a lot of articles,

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<v Speaker 2>and very little is known about paranthropist foot structure. I

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<v Speaker 2>I noted that one there was one partial foot fossil,

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<v Speaker 2>if I remember right. And I don't need to call

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<v Speaker 2>Hogan and talk to him about that. He invited me to.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, if God, if I have a PhD

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<v Speaker 2>in primatology that wants to speak to me, I need

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<v Speaker 2>to take advantage of that, of course, because I always

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<v Speaker 2>learned so much. And this was brought to mind, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>because just this past week I was corresponding with Darren

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe Matt you can link these two episodes for

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners in the show notes below. Yeah, but Darren

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<v Speaker 2>an early Homo as a lot of the paleoanthropologists are

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to clarify that his takeaway when listening

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<v Speaker 2>than chimpanzees are related to humans.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what you said. I mean, I was on

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<v Speaker 1>the call, and you know, when I edit it, I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to it basically three times, and then when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>done with the edit, I put it in my headphones

422
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<v Speaker 1>to walk around and listen to the final product to

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<v Speaker 1>see if there's anything that distracts me. So I heard

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<v Speaker 1>that four times that you said the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, yeah, just for whatever it's worth, that's what

426
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<v Speaker 2>I intended to say, and if there is anything if

427
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<v Speaker 2>I so, I apologize if I wasn't clear with my language,

428
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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to make sure that that I don't

429
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<v Speaker 2>think bonobos are more closely related to humans than they

430
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<v Speaker 2>are to chimps, all right, So anyway, I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that my intent, what I intended to communicate,

432
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<v Speaker 2>is actually out there, just in case there's any other misunderstandings.

433
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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong a lot, but occasionally when I am right,

434
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<v Speaker 2>I want to make sure that I say the right things.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Because even if I am right and I say it incorrectly,

436
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<v Speaker 2>you know, it doesn't help anybody. So but anyway, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't we hop onto the next question.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi Cliff and Bobo. This is Robert, currently living in Pittsburgh,

439
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<v Speaker 4>originally from Scotland. You've always said you should read a

440
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<v Speaker 4>lot about Bigfoot, and I've done exactly that, And in

441
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<v Speaker 4>one of the books I was reading, it mentioned that

442
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<v Speaker 4>people used to use seismic detectors to see if any

443
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<v Speaker 4>big Foot were passing. Has this happened or been forgotten

444
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<v Speaker 4>or is this something we should be doing maybe to

445
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<v Speaker 4>triangulate movement. Look forward to hearing her answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all right, Robert, thank you for that question,

447
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<v Speaker 2>and I hope you're enjoying Pittsburgh. My wife is there

448
00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:15.359
<v Speaker 2>right now, although she's actually driving to Virginia. Our niece

449
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<v Speaker 2>is getting married this coming weekend, so I am in

450
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<v Speaker 2>a bachelor situation right now, which means not a lot.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Really my life doesn't change very much, but anyway, so Robert,

452
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<v Speaker 2>thank you for that question. Yes, seismic detectors have reportedly

453
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<v Speaker 2>been used before, most notably by the peter Burn Projects,

454
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<v Speaker 2>a big Foot research project. I think back in the

455
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<v Speaker 2>nineties they were using something to that effect. I know

456
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<v Speaker 2>a few other people kind of in the peter Burn

457
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<v Speaker 2>camp that love that sort of technology. But I've often

458
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<v Speaker 2>thought like, even if we did use it, what is

459
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<v Speaker 2>to differentiate a sasquatch from say an elk or an

460
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<v Speaker 2>animal of similar body weight? And the way I mean,

461
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<v Speaker 2>I've been around sasquatch is a fair amount. You know,

462
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<v Speaker 2>I've heard them walking around and doing stufft least I

463
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<v Speaker 2>think I have. That's why I interpret, and they're pretty

464
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<v Speaker 2>light footed in a lot of ways. But even if

465
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<v Speaker 2>you get a hit on one of these things, and

466
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<v Speaker 2>you have reason to believe it's a sasquatch, how is

467
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<v Speaker 2>that much better than a siding report When a siding

468
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<v Speaker 2>report will also tell you that a sasquatch was at

469
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<v Speaker 2>a certain place at a certain time, you know what

470
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<v Speaker 2>I mean? And I guess one is real time and

471
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<v Speaker 2>you have to be out in that particular area to

472
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<v Speaker 2>get the information and the data and stuff. But I

473
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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't know. That technology is not something

474
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<v Speaker 2>that has really appealed to me because I don't see

475
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<v Speaker 2>that I don't see it as being a very high

476
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<v Speaker 2>value technology for the information that you get out of it.

477
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<v Speaker 2>But having said that, you know, in bull Run Watershed,

478
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<v Speaker 2>which I'm always talking about, which is a few ridges

479
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<v Speaker 2>over from my house here, it's an off limits watershed

480
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<v Speaker 2>gives Portland it's water supply. It's also, from what I understand,

481
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<v Speaker 2>where Peter and and the gang, Peter Burn and the

482
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<v Speaker 2>gang for the Bigfoot Research Project put these sensors in.

483
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<v Speaker 2>I understand that they deploy those at various obvious entrance

484
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<v Speaker 2>points into the water shed, so the cops and the

485
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<v Speaker 2>securities and folks and all that stuff can intercept people

486
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<v Speaker 2>who are going into the watershed. I don't know if

487
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<v Speaker 2>that's true or if that's just some sort of rumor,

488
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<v Speaker 2>you know how rumors are. Yeah, the seismic thing was

489
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<v Speaker 2>actually on my radar recently because just a few weeks

490
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<v Speaker 2>ago I went to the memorial service, the celebration of

491
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<v Speaker 2>life for Henry Franzoni. I was one of the only

492
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<v Speaker 2>bigfooters there. Suzanne Fahrenjack was there, she flew all the

493
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<v Speaker 2>way from Ohio, being a dear friend of Henry's. And

494
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<v Speaker 2>also Tom Powell and his wife were there. But other

495
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<v Speaker 2>than that, we're the only bigfooters there. And Tom Powell

496
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<v Speaker 2>went had the microphone for a minute or two and

497
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<v Speaker 2>talked about some of Henry's contributions to the Bigfoot thing,

498
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<v Speaker 2>which is probably a little mind blowing for a lot

499
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<v Speaker 2>of people there, and they knew Henry was into bigfoot,

500
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<v Speaker 2>but Henry was best known as musician, an eccentric thinker.

501
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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what I gathered from his friends there.

502
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<v Speaker 2>But he brought up the seismic thing. He brought up

503
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<v Speaker 2>the seismic study. So that's kind of funny that Robert

504
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<v Speaker 2>asked this question today because it was just recently on

505
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<v Speaker 2>my radar because of Henry friend Zoni.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Matt, what are your thoughts on seismic detectors

508
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<v Speaker 2>and their deployment and what good if any, could come

509
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<v Speaker 2>from them.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally don't think it would make a whole lot

511
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<v Speaker 1>of sense to employ those because to me, the only

512
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<v Speaker 1>context within which they would make sense is as a

513
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<v Speaker 1>predictive measure to lead to more evidence. So, for example,

514
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<v Speaker 1>if you had enough seismic sensors to cover a significant

515
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<v Speaker 1>portion of an animal's home range, and let's say for

516
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<v Speaker 1>the sake of argument, that we could put a sasquatch

517
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<v Speaker 1>within a home range of somewhere between like fifty or

518
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<v Speaker 1>eighty square miles, which is pretty large, but for an

519
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<v Speaker 1>animal of that size would be small ish. You'd need

520
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of seismic sensors, and I think the utility

521
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<v Speaker 1>of something like that is that if you were watching

522
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<v Speaker 1>a map with a grid real time, and then you

523
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<v Speaker 1>knew that something was moving through an area in real time,

524
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<v Speaker 1>that you could respond to either to deploy personnel with

525
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<v Speaker 1>cameras or you know, at least respond to rapidly enough

526
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<v Speaker 1>to hopefully find or document tracks if you're not trying

527
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<v Speaker 1>to document the animal itself. The expenditure of resources that

528
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<v Speaker 1>you would need to have that many seismic sensors and

529
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<v Speaker 1>to install those in the ground in a way that's

530
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<v Speaker 1>not going to disturb the environment such that it actually

531
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<v Speaker 1>hinders the animal from moving the way it would normally

532
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<v Speaker 1>move through the environment, because you can imagine it would

533
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<v Speaker 1>take either one person a very long time or a

534
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<v Speaker 1>lot of personnel moving through an area to plant these

535
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<v Speaker 1>things in the ground. So to me, it just seems

536
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<v Speaker 1>like a tremendous amount of work and time and energy

537
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<v Speaker 1>and resources for very little gain unless you had enough

538
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<v Speaker 1>coverage and the ability to watch it in real time

539
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<v Speaker 1>so that you could respond in real time. So I

540
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<v Speaker 1>think there's much better ways to go about aiming for

541
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<v Speaker 1>photographic or video graphic evidence and or trying to find

542
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<v Speaker 1>tracks then to employ something like that. So even if

543
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<v Speaker 1>I had unlimited resources, I wouldn't put them into seismic

544
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<v Speaker 1>sensors personally.

545
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<v Speaker 2>Now, who knows how much these things cost anyway, you know.

546
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<v Speaker 1>And who knows? Like you said that, you might get

547
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<v Speaker 1>false positives because something is of a significant size or weight,

548
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<v Speaker 1>and then you deploy the team and you wind up

549
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<v Speaker 1>with a bear or an elk or something like that,

550
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<v Speaker 1>false alarm. But now you've just disturbed the area further

551
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<v Speaker 1>because let's say that happens at night, and you've got

552
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<v Speaker 1>to infiltrate an area with lights or get close with

553
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<v Speaker 1>vehicles or whatever the case may be. So you're fundamentally

554
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<v Speaker 1>changing the environment. You know, if you're trying to test

555
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<v Speaker 1>a certain hypothesis about a very rare, elusive, furtive animal

556
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<v Speaker 1>and then you inundate that animal's environment or habitat with

557
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 1>the stimulus of human sounds and smells and lights and

558
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 1>all those things, then well you might not have just

559
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 1>had a false positive, but you might have just ensured

560
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<v Speaker 1>that nothing positive is going to happen there the way

561
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<v Speaker 1>that you want it to for the next however many

562
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<v Speaker 1>hours or days, wherever the case may be, so I

563
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<v Speaker 1>don't seem much positive use for technology like that.

564
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<v Speaker 2>Now, and even a cursory glance here, most seismic detectors

565
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<v Speaker 2>are for earthquakes sort of things. And I see price

566
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<v Speaker 2>ranges from one hundred and fifty to several thousand dollars

567
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<v Speaker 2>here by doing a quick web search, And of course

568
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<v Speaker 2>some of these are probably very high end sort of

569
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<v Speaker 2>geologic gear. But at the same time, what are you

570
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<v Speaker 2>going to get out of that? You know, game cameras

571
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<v Speaker 2>might do something similar, you know, you know, thread could

572
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<v Speaker 2>do something very very similar. I mean at Area X,

573
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.279
<v Speaker 2>and they deploy thread between trees to figure out which

574
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<v Speaker 2>way animals are walking.

575
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we deployed these things. You know, they did it

576
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<v Speaker 1>for years before I joined the organization. So you know,

577
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<v Speaker 1>when I say we, I was continuing a a sort

578
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<v Speaker 1>of research tradition that they had long started. So I

579
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<v Speaker 1>certainly can't take any credit for that. But you know,

580
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<v Speaker 1>areas around the base camp where activity would occur, they

581
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<v Speaker 1>were trying to sort of parse out which directions that

582
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<v Speaker 1>things might have been coming in from or heading out to,

583
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<v Speaker 1>coming to or from this central location, and so Alton

584
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<v Speaker 1>Higgins had put up these we colloquially called them string traps.

585
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<v Speaker 1>And you know, sewing thread is pretty hard to break,

586
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>surprisingly so and so you can fix it to one

587
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<v Speaker 1>tree and then string it across a gap and then

588
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>wrap it around another tree a time or two, and

589
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>it'll stay in place for a very very long time.

590
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<v Speaker 1>And then when something moves through it, rather than the

591
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>thread breaking, it'll usually just unravel the thread, and if

592
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you have enough surplus thread, it'll unravel it in the

593
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 1>direction that the animal was moving. And so then you

594
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<v Speaker 1>can check those in the morning, and you want to

595
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:36.119
<v Speaker 1>set those at heights that they're not going to be

596
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:39.319
<v Speaker 1>moved by something smaller and lower to the ground, like

597
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>a bear or a deer. So you set those at

598
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>certain heights and then if there's activity and go look

599
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>in the morning and like, oh, wow, something walked through

600
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.839
<v Speaker 1>heading in this particular direction. And you have a perimeter

601
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 1>of those around camp and there's you know, one that's

602
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.279
<v Speaker 1>unraveled into camp and one that's unraveled going out of camp.

603
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<v Speaker 1>You kind of have an idea that, well, something came

604
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<v Speaker 1>in this vector and then was inside this perimeter and

605
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<v Speaker 1>then exited through this vector. So it's a really useful

606
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<v Speaker 1>tool that is very cheap and inexpensive and easy to deploy.

607
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<v Speaker 2>There, and you get directionality, which is something I'm not

608
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<v Speaker 2>so sure you would get with the most seismic sensors, right.

609
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean again, to get directionality with seismic sensors,

610
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<v Speaker 1>you would have to have so many of them evenly spaced,

611
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<v Speaker 1>which you know that's a really hard thing to do. Too,

612
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<v Speaker 1>is that when I was in the NAWAC, we had

613
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<v Speaker 1>this camera trap project called Hadrian's Wall, and one of

614
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<v Speaker 1>our brilliant members, a guy named Ed Harrison, had laid

615
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<v Speaker 1>out this excellent design to have them all sort of

616
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<v Speaker 1>equidistant in such a way that you know something would

617
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<v Speaker 1>move through this trap line of cameras and at any

618
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>given point, you know they should be captured by two,

619
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<v Speaker 1>sometimes three cameras at a time. And so of course

620
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<v Speaker 1>that's all great when you grid it out on paper,

621
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<v Speaker 1>but then you get boots on the ground there and

622
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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, well, the trees didn't conveniently grow at

623
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<v Speaker 1>all the right distance from each other for us to

624
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>always have a perfect overlap, so you have to make

625
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>some concessions. And the same would be true that if

626
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<v Speaker 1>you've got a host of seismic sensors that needed to

627
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<v Speaker 1>be in a grid let's say, you know, twenty by

628
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty square feet apart, you know, whatever the case may be.

629
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<v Speaker 1>And then you get to the point where it needs

630
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>to be and well, now there's a rock. You can't

631
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.039
<v Speaker 1>dig in the ground there and put it there. Or

632
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a tree there, and so what are you going

633
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to do? Well, you have to put it somewhere around

634
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the tree. So there's probably gonna be places where they're

635
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>not overlapping, little gaps in your system where something can

636
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 1>get through. And so the number of headaches that I

637
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>could envision with seismic sensors just keeps growing and growing

638
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the more I think about it. Yeah yeah, yeah, and

639
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>again for what so that you would find out that like, oh,

640
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.599
<v Speaker 1>something heavy moved through here, and that maybe that's all

641
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 1>the information you get, and so it's like, well, we

642
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 1>did all that work for something that no one cares about.

643
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, So, Robert, that's I guess you didn't really

644
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>ask for about our thoughts necessarily, you asked if they

645
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>actually did it and whatever, But that's what you get

646
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:00.319
<v Speaker 2>from us more.

647
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.799
<v Speaker 1>No, he did, he asked, He asked if this is

648
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>something we should be pursuing.

649
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, oh, very good, was very good. I thought it

650
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>was just like, had they actually done this and what

651
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 2>results were there? I guess you always hear the question

652
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.200
<v Speaker 2>you wish you were asked, right, But yeah, that's our

653
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.519
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on that. I'm not sure that as far as

654
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.240
<v Speaker 2>bang for the buck and effort and stuff like that,

655
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure there's much there. I mean, a lot

656
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:24.160
<v Speaker 2>of people deploy them. Well not actually almost nobody deploys them,

657
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>but I know a couple people that have deployed them

658
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>or have them, but I'm not sure they've gotten anything

659
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.160
<v Speaker 2>at all from it except for just the joy of

660
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.119
<v Speaker 2>saying I got some technological toys that I put out there,

661
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.680
<v Speaker 2>and for a lot of people in bigfoot Land, that's enough,

662
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, And that's fun. And I'm not saying don't

663
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.359
<v Speaker 2>try it, but I think that we're both saying that

664
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 2>we don't. And those are the reasons why. But if

665
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.400
<v Speaker 2>that tickles your fancy, you know, if that is something

666
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>that you want to pursue, by all means, do it

667
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and maybe maybe you'll get something amazing from it, and

668
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, publish something in the RhI or write some

669
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.720
<v Speaker 2>up and you know, maybe is there something we can

670
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 2>learn from that? I don't know, but for me, not

671
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 2>worth the hassle, not worth a hassle, and not worth

672
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>the money, and not worth the time. Stay tuned for

673
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.240
<v Speaker 2>more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be

674
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:24.000
<v Speaker 2>right back after these messages. And you know, as far

675
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 2>that thread thing, I was thinking, You know, you have

676
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.119
<v Speaker 2>to put it at a certain level to avoid deer,

677
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and gosh, deer are pretty big and they've got to

678
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 2>be five feet tall or more. Oftentimes you have to

679
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 2>put it probably six and a half seven foot up

680
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 2>and catch the sasquatch across the face or something like

681
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.720
<v Speaker 2>that with the thread. But that brought to mind that

682
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>a good friend of mine, the guy named Alan, saw

683
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>a sasquatch a couple of weeks ago and he saw

684
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>the most frightening kind a three footer. So, and of

685
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>course Alan's also a listener, so shout out to Alan there.

686
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Alan was down on the coast. He saw it in

687
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Cummin's Creek Wilderness area, which is a really really neat

688
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 2>wildernes area just north of Florence, Oregon. I went on

689
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.599
<v Speaker 2>years and years and years ago, probably twenty thirteen or

690
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.039
<v Speaker 2>something like that my good friend and excellent bigfoot or

691
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Chris Minier ran an expedition for the BFRO out of Florence,

692
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and he asked if I could come down. And I

693
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:16.760
<v Speaker 2>hadn't seen Chris for a while, so I came down

694
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:18.480
<v Speaker 2>for a night and hung out with him, and I

695
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:20.840
<v Speaker 2>took a group out into the Common's Creek wilderness area

696
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 2>on this trail and we ran into a sasquatch out there,

697
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>banged a bunch of trees at us and ran and

698
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.079
<v Speaker 2>heard it running off, and it was a cool It

699
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 2>was a cool event. So I said he was going

700
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.840
<v Speaker 2>to be down in Florence and I said hey, or

701
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>he says to me, Hey, like, where should I go

702
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:35.960
<v Speaker 2>down in Florence area? I go, well, I don't know.

703
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't get down there very often, but I did

704
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>take a group into there and we ran across one

705
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>He goes, oh, great, we'll go there. And it's kind

706
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 2>of a funny story. And because he went to the

707
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>ranger station when he was down there and he says,

708
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:49.559
<v Speaker 2>I want to go hiking in the Cummins Creek Wilderness

709
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 2>area and the rangers like, oh that's great, that's great

710
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.360
<v Speaker 2>here blah blah blah, here's how you get in there.

711
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 2>And there's a trailhead and this and that, and Alan goes, non,

712
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I want to go in that road the other trail

713
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:04.719
<v Speaker 2>and the guy and the ranger goes, no, No, you don't.

714
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Want to do that.

715
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 2>The trees are down, it's a terrible road, the road's

716
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.199
<v Speaker 2>blown out, there's flooding damage, blah blah blah, hard to get,

717
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.480
<v Speaker 2>hard to get anywhere in there. You don't want to

718
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 2>go in there. And he goes, it's exactly where I

719
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.039
<v Speaker 2>want to go. And the ranger goes, well, why do

720
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:17.119
<v Speaker 2>you want to go there? And he goes, well, I

721
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 2>want I'm going to go squatch it. I'm want to

722
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 2>go look for sasquatches. And the guy laughed, and then

723
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.039
<v Speaker 2>Alan goes, no, No, they're real, they're really, you know. And

724
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.039
<v Speaker 2>the guy kind of stopped laughing and said, well, I

725
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 2>guess if they're going to be anywhere, that's where they're

726
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.719
<v Speaker 2>going to be, because no one goes in there, you know.

727
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>And so he Alan went in there with his wife.

728
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.320
<v Speaker 2>But he was walking in there and he said, on

729
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 2>the side of the road there were thirteen inch impressions,

730
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.360
<v Speaker 2>but they weren't very clear or anything like that, but

731
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.119
<v Speaker 2>there are space forty two inches apart, which is spot on.

732
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 2>That's textbook right there, you know, from you know, heel

733
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to heels forty two inches, that's textbook bigfoot there. And

734
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.639
<v Speaker 2>of course thirteen inch impressions right in there as well,

735
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.119
<v Speaker 2>no big deal thirteen fourteen inches. And you can think, well,

736
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>but he says, I didn't know. I didn't didn't think

737
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.480
<v Speaker 2>that much of him, and not really sure.

738
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Yea.

739
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I think he also heard a mountain lion yowl at

740
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.239
<v Speaker 2>the trailhead. I think that may or may not be

741
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.039
<v Speaker 2>important as well, And I'll get to that in a second.

742
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>So he's going in there, and about a mile and

743
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 2>a half in he's ahead of his wife, and then

744
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:17.519
<v Speaker 2>he sees something black in color upright on two legs

745
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 2>and about three feet tall or so, just rush across

746
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.760
<v Speaker 2>the road and then drop over the precipice the edge

747
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 2>on the side, and like he was startled. He took

748
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:29.639
<v Speaker 2>a couple of steps back and he goes, oh my god,

749
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.639
<v Speaker 2>what the the His wife says, what's wrong, honey, you know,

750
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think I just saw this, and you know,

751
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:37.599
<v Speaker 2>and they went and looked over the edge and they

752
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:39.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't see anything. And of course the thing was probably

753
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:41.960
<v Speaker 2>just hunker down waiting for him to leave. They did

754
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.039
<v Speaker 2>a recreation photograph and that sort of stuff, and he

755
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.199
<v Speaker 2>was very, very bugged out. I spoke to him that

756
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 2>night when he got back to the hotel room in Florence.

757
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I spoke to him, and he kept going, I don't

758
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 2>know what I saw. I just don't know what I saw.

759
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I said, well, dude, it was it was

760
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.079
<v Speaker 2>upright and black in color. You know, that's probably a sasquatch.

761
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>You probably saw a sasquatch, a three footer. And he said, so,

762
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I maybe I just don't know what

763
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>else it could have been. It's like, I'm not going

764
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:08.800
<v Speaker 2>to try to convince you saw one only you know,

765
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 2>of course, but but you know, so I thought that

766
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.760
<v Speaker 2>was pretty interesting. And then the next day they went

767
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>to the other trailhead, the more easily accessible one, and

768
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 2>they got there at pretty much at daybreak, you know,

769
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>right at dust or dawn, rather the opposite of dusk.

770
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:26.920
<v Speaker 2>And the second they got out of their car from

771
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>one direction, they heard another mountain lion yell. And by

772
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the way, this trailhead, I guess is basically at the

773
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 2>base of the ridge that he saw the thing on

774
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the day before. You know, we're very very close, not

775
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.719
<v Speaker 2>far away. So he heard another mountain lion yell and

776
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 2>it was that's odd, And then he heard one from

777
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:45.760
<v Speaker 2>the opposite direction. He goes, well, what's even odder, you know,

778
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.800
<v Speaker 2>And then then he heard a power knock from in

779
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:50.840
<v Speaker 2>between the two, and he goes home, and they actually

780
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>were so scared they got back in the car, and

781
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 2>I believe it was his wife who basically said, we

782
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>got to not be whimps about this.

783
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:57.599
<v Speaker 1>We got to go.

784
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>And then they went for a long, grueling high mostly uphill,

785
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.320
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, and whatever had to day. But now I'm wondering,

786
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.320
<v Speaker 2>of course, I'm like thinking back to one of our

787
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>witnesses we had on the podcast a long time ago,

788
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:14.400
<v Speaker 2>who went by the name of Lance. He actually observed

789
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>a sasquatch like he had his eyes on it when

790
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 2>it made a mountain lion call, which is really interesting

791
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:23.880
<v Speaker 2>as far as like mimicking and all that stuff goes.

792
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 2>But I'm wondering where those mountain lions at all.

793
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question. And I would say if there's

794
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 1>any sasquatch researchers in that area, that's exactly where you

795
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.119
<v Speaker 1>want to go, because if you take any lessons from

796
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 1>analogous mammals, you would know that an animal occupies a

797
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>home range. Within that home range, it has a territory,

798
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.119
<v Speaker 1>and within that territory, it will have a core area.

799
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>And the best way to identify core areas of most

800
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 1>species that are analogous would be to figure out where

801
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the females and especially the juveniles are. And so if

802
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 1>you needed like a codex for finding sasquatch core areas,

803
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.440
<v Speaker 1>you would pay attention to where sightings of females occur,

804
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.199
<v Speaker 1>and especially of juveniles. So if I was in an orgon,

805
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.440
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly where I'd be spending my time. Of recent

806
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 1>juvenile siding is a very good sign, especially from a

807
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.199
<v Speaker 1>source that you know, you trust and find reliable.

808
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Allen's a good guy and he certainly wouldn't

809
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.519
<v Speaker 2>be making anything up. Worst case scenario and misidentified something.

810
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:24.119
<v Speaker 2>But he kept saying it was on two legs, and like,

811
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:27.079
<v Speaker 2>what else do you have? What else? He said? I said, Well,

812
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 2>you have grandchildren. I mean, how old would this kid be?

813
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, if it was a I don't know, maybe seven,

814
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I think is what he said, seven years old and

815
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.159
<v Speaker 2>just running across a trail mile and a half up

816
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 2>in a desolate sort of a wilderness area. I don't know.

817
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 2>I think he saw one. I think he saw one,

818
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 2>and again I ran into one there, and he went

819
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.480
<v Speaker 2>there on my recommendation and saw one. How cool is that?

820
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.079
<v Speaker 2>And then heard other weird things. Yeah, if I lived

821
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 2>in the Florence area, that's where I would be spending

822
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of my time, a lot of my time

823
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's public land, easily accessible, and you know, co

824
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>strange people here in I love the Coast Range, and

825
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I love the people that live there, but they're kind

826
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:06.039
<v Speaker 2>of like people in Maine. They don't want anybody around.

827
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.119
<v Speaker 2>They live in a very isolated area to kind of

828
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:12.440
<v Speaker 2>keep people away. A lot of the area's private lands,

829
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:13.880
<v Speaker 2>so no one's allowed to be on it except in

830
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 2>the sayas Law National forests and places like the wilderness

831
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:19.679
<v Speaker 2>areas and that sort of thing. So that to me

832
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.920
<v Speaker 2>just shouts go there, go there frequently. Because looking back

833
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:25.519
<v Speaker 2>on his first day, not only did he see that

834
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.199
<v Speaker 2>three footer, he found thirteen or so inch footprints. I

835
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.920
<v Speaker 2>mean he didn't say footprints, he said impressions, but they

836
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 2>were probably footprints. They were spaced appropriately. Yeah, that's probably

837
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:41.000
<v Speaker 2>mom and the kid right there. So go there. And

838
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 2>of course if you do find anything cool, let me know.

839
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Let us know. Emailed the podcast. You Know the count

840
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>be on podcasts at gmail dot com. Let us know

841
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.159
<v Speaker 2>what you're finding them there. And of course all the

842
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>bigfooters who actually are working that area are probably really

843
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.239
<v Speaker 2>pissed at me right now. But sorry, as far as

844
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:57.159
<v Speaker 2>I know, no one's working it.

845
00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, what's really funny is that people will reach

846
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.400
<v Speaker 1>out to me, very often, people I've only interacted with

847
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 1>online or total strangers, and they'll be like, Hey, I

848
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 1>live in this particular area. Where do you think I

849
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 1>should go? And I'll give them places that I'm comfortable

850
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>talking about. You know, hey, I think you should check

851
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 1>out this area. And then we'll get a question like

852
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 1>that on the podcast and I'll recommend the same area.

853
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 1>And then those people will reach out to me the

854
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.280
<v Speaker 1>initial question askers and they'll be like, hey, why are

855
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you telling people about my spot? I'm like yours spot. Like,

856
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Speaker 1>first of all, I had no qualms telling you, and

857
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 1>so I have no qualms telling someone else. And second

858
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>of all, like you don't go out to those places.

859
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:41.320
<v Speaker 1>So it's a funny thing that happened. So I guess

860
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:43.360
<v Speaker 1>I can't fault people for that, but it is just

861
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>a funny observation to have that happen so many times

862
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 1>over the years. It's that they'll ask me for input

863
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 1>and then get upset that I gave the same input

864
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:55.360
<v Speaker 1>to someone else.

865
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, here's a news flash for everybody listening. Every

866
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.480
<v Speaker 2>every single official designated wilderness area in the United States

867
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:10.440
<v Speaker 2>is perfect bigfoot habitat. Go there, Okay, there you go.

868
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.760
<v Speaker 2>If you live anywhere near a wilderness area, go there.

869
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.199
<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that. I'm not giving anything away.

870
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.039
<v Speaker 1>And most public lands, and you know, if you were

871
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.280
<v Speaker 1>to look at a map, don't even worry about sasquatch reports.

872
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's helpful to have, but you know, there's

873
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of great places to where very few people go,

874
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and so you should not expect there to be sasquatch reports.

875
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>But look at a map, what's close to you and

876
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>what looks like good habitat, And especially if you research

877
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:40.159
<v Speaker 1>other animal populations, like what's the bare density and what's

878
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 1>the ungulate density, et cetera, et cetera, And you know,

879
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.840
<v Speaker 1>but if you're asking for input, I'll give it to you.

880
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 1>And if someone else asked me for input and they're

881
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:49.559
<v Speaker 1>in the same general area, I'm going to give it

882
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.280
<v Speaker 1>to them too. And my favorite spots I'm not going

883
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to tell you about.

884
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I don't give away my fishing spots. You know.

885
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:58.519
<v Speaker 2>That's how I found one of my best spots is

886
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.719
<v Speaker 2>I just I was looking at apps and stuff like,

887
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, wow, that looks like it they should be there,

888
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 2>And I started going there and shure up they were.

889
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 2>We're getting Knox, we're getting calls. There's been a couple

890
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:10.519
<v Speaker 2>of sidings, there's been a couple of footprint finds there.

891
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I found a footprint there just a few weeks ago. Actually,

892
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, one of my favorite spots had no sidings,

893
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.400
<v Speaker 2>no reports from it whatsoever. It just looked like they

894
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.719
<v Speaker 2>should be there. Which is a wilderness areas by the way,

895
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Cumm's Creek Wilderness Area. It doesn't really matter. Yeah, bull

896
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the woods down there on the Cala Wash. Of course

897
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.440
<v Speaker 2>they're in there. Of course they are. You know, you

898
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.719
<v Speaker 2>just look at a Forest Service map, any designated wilderness

899
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:39.360
<v Speaker 2>area or any area a big chunk of land with

900
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.760
<v Speaker 2>suitable habitat that there are no roads into. Yeah, that's

901
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.119
<v Speaker 2>where they are. Go there, it's not a secret. If

902
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.480
<v Speaker 2>you didn't know that by now, then you don't. You

903
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:56.320
<v Speaker 2>don't deserve the specific locations. So exactly, stay tuned for

904
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.400
<v Speaker 2>more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be

905
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>right back after these messages. All right, well, anyway, should

906
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:08.920
<v Speaker 2>we go onto the written questions?

907
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Let's do?

908
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay? The first written question comes from Neil and Marnie.

909
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to them, by the way, a long time listeners.

910
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 2>They realterally enjoy the podcast, and thank you so much

911
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Neil and specifically to Marnie for listening. We really really

912
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.960
<v Speaker 2>do appreciate your ears on the podcast every single week,

913
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.039
<v Speaker 2>and then we're happy that we can give you some

914
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:32.159
<v Speaker 2>sort of some sort of smile on a weekly basis. Anyway,

915
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:36.159
<v Speaker 2>the question is what do you three think about coastal

916
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:41.079
<v Speaker 2>environments as they relate to Sasquatch habitat and activity. Oh, well,

917
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, Bobo's not here obviously, so it's what do

918
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>we too think? But Bubo lives on the coast, and

919
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that says a lot right there. He lives

920
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:53.599
<v Speaker 2>in the Arcada area of northern California and Humboldt County,

921
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and he moved there from southern California because it is

922
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.840
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot habitat. His best spot, or some of his best

923
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.159
<v Speaker 2>spots are like right on the coast up in the

924
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Redwood National Park and at Redwind National or State Forest.

925
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it's called our state park up there. Some

926
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:14.320
<v Speaker 2>of his best spots are virtually hugging the ocean, and

927
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:17.159
<v Speaker 2>I think that says a lot about coastal habitat.

928
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:19.599
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't it be funny if we just lamited not giving

929
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 1>away our best spots, But we just decided to give

930
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>away all of Bobo's best spots since he's done here.

931
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, no, we're not saying specifics, but we could

932
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:28.440
<v Speaker 1>you hear that, Bobo?

933
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.199
<v Speaker 2>We could tell him, well, he said, yeah, we could. Yeah,

934
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.880
<v Speaker 2>you don't show up to a podcast and it's our rules,

935
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 2>not yours, sorry Bobs. Yeah, but Bobo said several times

936
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:39.920
<v Speaker 2>in the podcast that he goes up to the Redwoods

937
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.400
<v Speaker 2>to go big footing. So I don't think I'm giving

938
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:44.280
<v Speaker 2>too much away here, but yeah, but I think that

939
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.239
<v Speaker 2>says a lot. So even though Bobo is not here

940
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.519
<v Speaker 2>to give his two cents about coastal habitat here. But

941
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that that says a lot. He specifically moved

942
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:59.000
<v Speaker 2>there to see sasquatches because he he took logging jobs

943
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>on the coast to do that. He started taking fishing

944
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.559
<v Speaker 2>jobs as how. He became a crab fisherman because he

945
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>was hearing that these people were seeing him from the

946
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.199
<v Speaker 2>boats sometimes like on shore. That's why he did all

947
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:12.679
<v Speaker 2>these things. So that says a lot from Bobo, even

948
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.519
<v Speaker 2>though his voice is not on the air today. But

949
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 2>as far as I'm concerned, I mean, that's where the

950
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 2>food was, you know. I mean, if things went sideways,

951
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and I mean for humanity, the coast would be the

952
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:28.280
<v Speaker 2>place to be because the ocean is just an abundant

953
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 2>resource of food. I know, years and years and years ago,

954
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.639
<v Speaker 2>I went I met I flew down to Baja California, Mexico,

955
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.079
<v Speaker 2>and met some of my friends who were down there.

956
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 2>They were down there for six months doing research for

957
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 2>a sea kayak guide to book. You know, these are

958
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>like outdoors, these sort of folks. Obviously they're writing books

959
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.199
<v Speaker 2>about various sea kayak routes to take and stuff in Baja.

960
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 2>And I met him down there, and you know, and

961
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.400
<v Speaker 2>We camped on the beach for a week, and virtually

962
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 2>every day we kind of went swimming for lunch and dinner. Yeah,

963
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 2>we went to the store and got carrots and some

964
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 2>vegetables and that sort of stuff. But and some beers,

965
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:06.719
<v Speaker 2>of course, But for the most part, the meat that

966
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 2>we ate that week we got from the ocean that day,

967
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, whether we were fishing, or we were clamming,

968
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.719
<v Speaker 2>or you know, picking scallops and whatever off the rock,

969
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.920
<v Speaker 2>we went in the water and pulled the food out.

970
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:24.440
<v Speaker 2>So Baja is, of course exceptional, but in northern California

971
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 2>or you know, Oregon and Washington, there is so much

972
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.480
<v Speaker 2>food on the beach. I remember one time I was

973
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.360
<v Speaker 2>fishing in Redwood National Park, I think it is, and

974
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.679
<v Speaker 2>it was a gold Bluff beach, great little campsite on

975
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>the ocean there. It's generally too crowded and you know,

976
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.320
<v Speaker 2>popular to get in most of the year, but I was.

977
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 2>I was there in the winter or something like that,

978
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:50.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I got a spot in there. And

979
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't usually pay for camping anyway, but back then

980
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I did at that this night, because it's such a

981
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.119
<v Speaker 2>great campsite. There's elk everywhere pushed up against the cliffs

982
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 2>would be a lot easier to catch and kill if

983
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't, you know, if I were a sasquat to

984
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:03.840
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. But I remember I was fishing.

985
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:06.039
<v Speaker 2>I was fishing for a barred surf perch. No, no, no,

986
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 2>for a redtail surf perch at the time. And you know,

987
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 2>so I was fishing in the ocean in the waves,

988
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, like probably kneedy water, that sort of stuff

989
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 2>coming in and out. And I was casting or whatever.

990
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.400
<v Speaker 2>A big wave came in and I stepped back, and

991
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:25.320
<v Speaker 2>that wave literally deposited a dungeness crab on the beach,

992
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 2>not fifteen feet from me. And I just thought to myself,

993
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.079
<v Speaker 2>as I'm looking up and down this coast where there's

994
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.840
<v Speaker 2>absolutely zero people as far as the I could see

995
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.199
<v Speaker 2>except for me, but in beautiful redwoods and dense forests,

996
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>like right there on the cliffs above me. Yeah, and

997
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 2>somebody the ocean literally deposited a dungeness crab virtually at

998
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.519
<v Speaker 2>my feet as I was standing there. And think, think

999
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.159
<v Speaker 2>how many times a day that happens within ten miles

1000
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of that spot, you know, or up and down the

1001
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>coast in general. But like the ocean gives. I didn't

1002
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:58.719
<v Speaker 2>need it a course, but I wasn't into it, you

1003
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.199
<v Speaker 2>know at the time, and I didn't want to it

1004
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 2>and deal with it and get pinged and everything. But still, like,

1005
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.320
<v Speaker 2>think about a sasquatch just roaming up and down the

1006
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.960
<v Speaker 2>beach looking for things that the ocean deposited on the shoreline.

1007
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.760
<v Speaker 2>There's there's kelp. Most kelp is edible, of course, there's

1008
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh dungeon is crab. There's various crabs of

1009
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 2>various source. You know, if you know where to look,

1010
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.079
<v Speaker 2>you can put you can scoop your hand under the

1011
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 2>sand and come up with thirty or forty mole crabs.

1012
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was doing as using those for bait

1013
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:30.360
<v Speaker 2>at the time. You know, occasionally a dead seal or

1014
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.599
<v Speaker 2>a dead whale gets deposited on the shore and of

1015
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 2>course all the other animals take advantage of that, and

1016
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:39.079
<v Speaker 2>human beings did as well for many, many long years.

1017
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.880
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the ocean is where it's at as far

1018
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:45.960
<v Speaker 2>as easy food goes, So of course sasquatches utilize that.

1019
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.119
<v Speaker 2>And of course we've also heard the stories of them

1020
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 2>digging clams and whatever else on you know, on those

1021
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.320
<v Speaker 2>low tides, especially up in PC. I know that doctor

1022
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Bindernoggle was really interested in that aspect of it, as

1023
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:02.199
<v Speaker 2>well as doctor Rob Allley. So, yeah, ocean, the ocean

1024
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.280
<v Speaker 2>environment where the land meets the ocean is just a

1025
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:09.119
<v Speaker 2>bountiful resource of food of virtually every kind you can imagine.

1026
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 2>So they would be a fantastic habitat for them. Yeah.

1027
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.559
<v Speaker 1>The BC Sunshine Coast and all that Pacific Coast is

1028
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.440
<v Speaker 1>just incredible and obviously has a very long, very rich

1029
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:23.639
<v Speaker 1>history of encounter and observation reports and incredible habitat. I

1030
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:26.079
<v Speaker 1>would love to go up there if people are interested

1031
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 1>in reading about that region specifically. We had John Zada

1032
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.599
<v Speaker 1>on a little while back in his book in The

1033
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Valleys of the Note Beyond. It's all focused on that

1034
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:39.079
<v Speaker 1>particular region of British Columbia and it's amazing, and so

1035
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.679
<v Speaker 1>once again I would highly recommend that or Rob Alley's

1036
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Raincoast Sasquatch.

1037
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, Like all that stuff was around Ketcha

1038
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Can and the islands offshore. So the Sasquatch is on islands.

1039
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:52.239
<v Speaker 2>It tells you a lot. You know, there's a lot

1040
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.119
<v Speaker 2>of food there and they take advantage of everything from

1041
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the inland stuff like the deer and elk and I

1042
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.199
<v Speaker 2>just mentioned elk are on the beach. They're on the beach,

1043
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:05.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, so there's food of plenty. So yeah, any

1044
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.119
<v Speaker 2>of these resources would be great. The Rob Alley book

1045
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 2>or the is that a book? All these things I

1046
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:12.039
<v Speaker 2>really like this next question, All right, well you want

1047
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:12.400
<v Speaker 2>to read it?

1048
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I can read it. So this comes from our

1049
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.719
<v Speaker 1>listener Nathan Craig, and he asks what things have been

1050
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.840
<v Speaker 1>made easier and or more difficult when it comes to

1051
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.280
<v Speaker 1>squatching in the last fifteen to twenty years or more.

1052
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:26.280
<v Speaker 2>You want to go first? Yes, I know you're chomping

1053
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:27.079
<v Speaker 2>at the bid here.

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00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 1>You know. I think there are some things that have

1055
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:33.880
<v Speaker 1>been made easier via the Internet, like being able to

1056
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:38.280
<v Speaker 1>communicate and network with other researchers and share information and

1057
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.280
<v Speaker 1>coordinate field efforts together. I mean, most of my field

1058
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:47.519
<v Speaker 1>research partners are they live hours and hours and hours

1059
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.480
<v Speaker 1>from me, and so you know, we're working on areas

1060
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 1>together that are central to us, and so they're nowhere

1061
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.199
<v Speaker 1>close to home. And that's all facilitated by the Internet

1062
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and by the ability to you know, find information quickly

1063
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 1>about these habitats and about the history of reports and

1064
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 1>places to access and all of the above, and then

1065
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 1>obviously other technological advances. So there's a lot of things

1066
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that have been made easier that I cannot imagine how

1067
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 1>hard it would have been if I was a sasquatch

1068
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:19.960
<v Speaker 1>researcher in the fifties or sixties, in the early days

1069
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 1>of the four Horsemen and those types. I think the

1070
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.960
<v Speaker 1>things that have made it more difficult are related to

1071
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the same issues, and specifically with the

1072
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 1>interconnectivity of people and the Internet and the speed at

1073
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:35.840
<v Speaker 1>which information moves in that we're in this environment that

1074
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of people that are involved

1075
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 1>in this subject that their primary focus is about their

1076
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:49.519
<v Speaker 1>presence online. Now they might have communities they've built by

1077
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.679
<v Speaker 1>which you know, we're no different, although you know, you

1078
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 1>guys built a community in a different way, you know,

1079
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.599
<v Speaker 1>through years of research and networking and then through a

1080
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.599
<v Speaker 1>television series, and then by the time we launched this podcast,

1081
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was already an existing community around that.

1082
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:09.199
<v Speaker 1>But like, here's a good example. So very recently, a

1083
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:14.480
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine was on a field excursion and something

1084
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:18.480
<v Speaker 1>occurred and phone calls were made between people who were

1085
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 1>also there and then someone who wasn't there posted about

1086
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.199
<v Speaker 1>it and made claims about what had happened that bore

1087
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.679
<v Speaker 1>little to no resemblance to what actually happened. And then

1088
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.239
<v Speaker 1>before anyone could correct the record, a number of people

1089
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:39.199
<v Speaker 1>with their own platforms, podcasts, YouTube channels, social media outlets,

1090
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:42.639
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, were reporting on the claims that this person

1091
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.239
<v Speaker 1>who wasn't there made at all, saying like that they

1092
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.679
<v Speaker 1>basically had an inside scoop and that if you wanted

1093
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:50.840
<v Speaker 1>to learn more and follow for updates, you know, make

1094
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 1>sure that you like and subscribe and keep a close

1095
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.800
<v Speaker 1>eye on their channels because they would bring you the

1096
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 1>news as it broke. And so of course I got

1097
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Speaker 1>inundated with messages from people like, hey, do you know

1098
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.000
<v Speaker 1>anything about this? And I was having to be very

1099
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 1>careful because I don't want to compromise the people that

1100
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.880
<v Speaker 1>were actually there and in this situation, because it's their

1101
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:13.239
<v Speaker 1>story to tell I equally was not there. But I

1102
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.199
<v Speaker 1>was saying, well, you know, I do have a friend

1103
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 1>who was there, and what's being said is not exactly

1104
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 1>what happened. And then I was able to review the

1105
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.360
<v Speaker 1>evidence that was collected and come to a conclusion about

1106
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.760
<v Speaker 1>what actually happened, so beyond just hearing the claims of

1107
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:30.880
<v Speaker 1>my friend who was there, I actually saw what was

1108
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:36.760
<v Speaker 1>collected in that case. But the news, the sensational version,

1109
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.320
<v Speaker 1>had spread so quickly and so many people had bent

1110
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:45.159
<v Speaker 1>it to serve their own goals in terms of entertaining, captivating,

1111
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:49.480
<v Speaker 1>or motivating their own audiences, that if I were to

1112
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.559
<v Speaker 1>go and try to correct the record, well it would

1113
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.400
<v Speaker 1>have taken, you know, one hundred times more energy than

1114
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I was willing to expend on it. And also, again

1115
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the responsibility of the people who are

1116
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.519
<v Speaker 1>actually there to lay out what happened. That's just one

1117
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.440
<v Speaker 1>example of something I see happening over and over again,

1118
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.239
<v Speaker 1>and that the vast majority of things I read online

1119
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:15.880
<v Speaker 1>in the Sasquatch space are just so wildly inaccurate, and

1120
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.559
<v Speaker 1>most of it is not malicious, The vast majority of

1121
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:21.239
<v Speaker 1>it is not. It's well meaning people with good intentions

1122
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.320
<v Speaker 1>reporting what they heard or what they think they heard.

1123
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And I just come from a different school of thought

1124
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and of action in that, you know, I've been very

1125
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:33.800
<v Speaker 1>fortunate I have a bit of a different life than

1126
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:36.400
<v Speaker 1>many of these other people in that, you know, I've

1127
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.480
<v Speaker 1>always had the energy and the time and the bandwidth

1128
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:44.039
<v Speaker 1>to devote serious attention and energy to all these things.

1129
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Speaker 1>And so many times people will tell me, oh, well,

1130
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:51.519
<v Speaker 1>here's the deal with such and such, you know, pick

1131
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.119
<v Speaker 1>a case out of a hat, and I'll be like, okay, well,

1132
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:57.159
<v Speaker 1>why do you think that it's something that they heard

1133
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:02.000
<v Speaker 1>third hand on a podcast channel? And very often in

1134
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.679
<v Speaker 1>these cases it just happens to be the case that like,

1135
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:06.880
<v Speaker 1>oh no, well, I actually know those investigators, and I

1136
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.239
<v Speaker 1>know that witness, and I've been to that property and

1137
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:11.599
<v Speaker 1>I spent a lot of time there. Here's what actually happened.

1138
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Or nope, you know, have you ever read this book? No,

1139
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I've never read it. Okay, well, here's what actually occurred

1140
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.480
<v Speaker 1>according to the people that were there, not the sixth

1141
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 1>hand version that you heard in you know, a forty

1142
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:27.840
<v Speaker 1>five second reel on a social media platform. And so

1143
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:31.000
<v Speaker 1>all of that makes it very difficult where the facts

1144
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:35.679
<v Speaker 1>have been so obscured or lost that you could imagine that,

1145
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:39.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're in this field of sasquatchery, you know,

1146
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and if you used an analogy like okay, this is

1147
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.519
<v Speaker 1>a territory, a geographical space, Well, we have this center

1148
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.880
<v Speaker 1>that existed for so long. That's the sort of like

1149
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.800
<v Speaker 1>established facts as the best we know them. And then

1150
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:57.119
<v Speaker 1>as you get more familiar with that center, you get

1151
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:58.639
<v Speaker 1>better and better at being able to go out to

1152
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:01.199
<v Speaker 1>the frontier into the what we don't know yet or

1153
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 1>what we're trying to know, and encounter new things and

1154
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:08.840
<v Speaker 1>responsibly discern those against information that's not necessarily related to

1155
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:11.039
<v Speaker 1>useful and bring that back to the center. And I

1156
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.880
<v Speaker 1>feel like with the advent of social media and the Internet,

1157
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.719
<v Speaker 1>we've completely lost the center, and I spend more time

1158
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to re establish that center so that people know

1159
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:24.239
<v Speaker 1>where we are here in twenty twenty four. I mean,

1160
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I think we all do that, Like that's part of

1161
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>why I wrote the book. I think that's part of

1162
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:32.800
<v Speaker 1>why Mark Marcell digs into Ape Canyon. That's part of

1163
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.440
<v Speaker 1>why you reinvestigated the Bosberg events or the Freeman evidence

1164
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.199
<v Speaker 1>or the Blue Mountains evidence, etc. Is that we're trying

1165
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:43.079
<v Speaker 1>to re establish that center because these things that were

1166
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.719
<v Speaker 1>known not that long ago now seem to be so

1167
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:50.400
<v Speaker 1>lost in the wind, and people don't have the same

1168
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.199
<v Speaker 1>foundation that they used to have. And I think a

1169
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.079
<v Speaker 1>lot of that is driven by this social media environment.

1170
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Where people are competing with not only each other, but

1171
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:03.719
<v Speaker 1>with these algorithm in order to drive visibility, in order

1172
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.679
<v Speaker 1>to grow their audiences, et cetera. And that has made

1173
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:10.159
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this endeavor so much more difficult than

1174
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:12.079
<v Speaker 1>it used to be. So I know that's a very

1175
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:17.800
<v Speaker 1>long answer, but that's what I see happening. It's very frustrating.

1176
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. Social media is a plague. Yeah it is.

1177
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:25.280
<v Speaker 2>And it's not only social media that you're talking about,

1178
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:31.039
<v Speaker 2>but we now live in a world of influencers as

1179
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:35.199
<v Speaker 2>opposed to researchers essentially, and that's the Bigfoot community has

1180
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of been taken over by that, unfortunately. And I

1181
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.800
<v Speaker 2>know that people out there, but well, if you're an influencer, yeah,

1182
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:42.639
<v Speaker 2>but I don't want to be. I don't care if

1183
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 2>anybody listens. You know, I'm doing this anyway, is what

1184
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.159
<v Speaker 2>it comes down to. I would be doing this if

1185
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.400
<v Speaker 2>nobody was watching. And I'm not sure that's true for

1186
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:54.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the people who are out there on

1187
00:58:54.719 --> 00:59:00.119
<v Speaker 2>podcasts and websites and facebooks and things like that. You know,

1188
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.239
<v Speaker 2>so social media I read this. I think this is

1189
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:10.320
<v Speaker 2>a an approximate quote. Social media allows darkness to spread

1190
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:12.559
<v Speaker 2>at the speed of light, you know, and that darkness

1191
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:16.880
<v Speaker 2>comes in many forms like misinformation or hoaxes, or narcissism

1192
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 2>or any variety of things, you know. And I think

1193
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:24.480
<v Speaker 2>that's probably the most difficult thing that has happened the

1194
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:27.360
<v Speaker 2>big footing in the last fifteen to twenty years. To

1195
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:29.599
<v Speaker 2>get back to Nathan's question, but also at the same time,

1196
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.559
<v Speaker 2>every curse has a blessing, and vice versa, every blessing

1197
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:36.440
<v Speaker 2>has a curse. John Green was commenting on the advent

1198
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:39.800
<v Speaker 2>of the Internet and how it would have affected his work.

1199
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Because I don't have the exact numbers or anything like that,

1200
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.199
<v Speaker 2>but I think by the time he wrote his book

1201
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.239
<v Speaker 2>that I think was published in seventy eight, if I

1202
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.159
<v Speaker 2>remember right, Sasquatch Apes among us, I think he has

1203
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:53.400
<v Speaker 2>something like seventeen hundred sightings, sixteen hundred sightings or something

1204
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:58.440
<v Speaker 2>like that. Well that's from nineteen, you know, fifty six,

1205
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:02.079
<v Speaker 2>I think is when he started to nineteen seventy eight,

1206
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:06.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, So that's just a few decades. That's nothing. Nowadays,

1207
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:10.159
<v Speaker 2>that's nothing. I mean, I accrued that many sighting reports

1208
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I think written siding reports in just like five or

1209
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.960
<v Speaker 2>ten years, just by being out there, and I'm not

1210
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.840
<v Speaker 2>the biggest platform by far, you know, so it did

1211
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:25.840
<v Speaker 2>get easier to find sasquatch reports, to connect with other bigfooters,

1212
01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:31.920
<v Speaker 2>to find information networking in general, you know, and I know,

1213
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:35.320
<v Speaker 2>for me personally, weather reports and snow depth maps and

1214
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:40.719
<v Speaker 2>that sort of stuff, extremely valuable information available online. But

1215
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:42.760
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, the dark side of that is,

1216
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, the whole social media influencer folks jumping up

1217
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:49.119
<v Speaker 2>and down saying look at me, look at me, look

1218
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:54.079
<v Speaker 2>at me me, and very few people are left pointing

1219
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:57.800
<v Speaker 2>at the sasquatch and saying look at them. So that's

1220
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:01.920
<v Speaker 2>that's my biggest woe I think with bigfoot stuff is

1221
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:04.559
<v Speaker 2>that it's always has been that way. You know, it's

1222
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:06.519
<v Speaker 2>just a different form now and it's a lot faster

1223
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:10.159
<v Speaker 2>now and the misinformation spreads much more quickly. The gossip

1224
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:14.599
<v Speaker 2>essentially that bigfoot has always been a gossipy game, whether

1225
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about the hindon the Green and Peterburn era,

1226
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, or nowadays on Facebook, you know, that sort

1227
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:25.480
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. But it's always been very gossip oriented because

1228
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:29.079
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of bigfoot stuff goes on, you know,

1229
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:33.039
<v Speaker 2>there aren't footprint finds, you know every day, or their

1230
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 2>new videos aren't being taken, new film, you know, that

1231
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.719
<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff. There's not a lot of big breakthroughs.

1232
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Scuokom cast level stuff is rather rare, and because of that,

1233
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and people love the subjects so much, they want to

1234
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:47.119
<v Speaker 2>talk about the other people instead of the animals. And

1235
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I think it's just better for all of us to

1236
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:53.280
<v Speaker 2>stay focused, stay focused on what's important. The Sasquatches are important,

1237
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:57.159
<v Speaker 2>not the people who look into it, you know, And

1238
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.559
<v Speaker 2>it's the evidence, it's not the people again, So that's

1239
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:03.639
<v Speaker 2>my answer for you, Nathan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with all that, and I don't think

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01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.840
<v Speaker 1>it's restricted to the Sasquatch subject. I just see it

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01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:11.760
<v Speaker 1>everywhere that I look, you know, with all the subjects

1243
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.679
<v Speaker 1>that I'm interested in and pursuits that I have and

1244
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:18.239
<v Speaker 1>subjects that I follow, And so I think it's just

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01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:23.079
<v Speaker 1>a symptom of that particular environment, of the online environment.

1246
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:27.039
<v Speaker 1>It drives certain behaviors and you know, it comes along

1247
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:29.880
<v Speaker 1>with certain temptations, and you know, obviously we're in the

1248
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:32.039
<v Speaker 1>same space. I mean, we have a podcast and we

1249
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:34.480
<v Speaker 1>have an audience, and we would like for those things

1250
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:37.840
<v Speaker 1>to grow, and we do our very level best to

1251
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:40.679
<v Speaker 1>always be accurate, and so of course we're going to

1252
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 1>make errors and faux pause. And again, when I am

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01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.639
<v Speaker 1>speaking about the things that I see, I'm not attributing

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01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 1>malice to those people. I think in most of those cases,

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01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:54.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the things that get passed around as misinformation,

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01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:59.119
<v Speaker 1>it's just you've taken an oral tradition and extended it

1257
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.880
<v Speaker 1>to the internet. So it's just the spreading of folklore

1258
01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and mythology. But it's just in this digital format, and

1259
01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:09.280
<v Speaker 1>those people are not intending to mislead other people. They

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01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:12.880
<v Speaker 1>are reporting on what they believe to be true. Although

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01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:17.039
<v Speaker 1>the frustration is that, well, if more diligence was done,

1262
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.239
<v Speaker 1>they could have easily come to their own conclusions that no,

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01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.639
<v Speaker 1>in fact, the story is much different than it's being reported,

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01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:27.079
<v Speaker 1>or the facts are not being presented, and what's being

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01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.760
<v Speaker 1>presented instead or counterfactual. But I think because of the

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01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:34.320
<v Speaker 1>need for speed in that environment, to be first to print,

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01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:38.320
<v Speaker 1>so to speak, first to publish, like they're competing with

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01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:41.840
<v Speaker 1>each other, so that their episode or video on this

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01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.920
<v Speaker 1>subject has that primacy effect and it's the first to

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01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.960
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, and so they don't have they're not

1271
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:50.920
<v Speaker 1>affording themselves the luxury of doing the deep dive and

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01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:54.039
<v Speaker 1>diligence and things like that, and those are all just frustrations.

1273
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:57.400
<v Speaker 1>So again, I'm not castigating anyone as much as I'm

1274
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:01.519
<v Speaker 1>just lamenting the state of affairs that is brought about

1275
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:05.280
<v Speaker 1>by social media and all those drivers and incentives that

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01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:08.599
<v Speaker 1>people have. It just makes it a difficult game.

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01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:10.840
<v Speaker 2>You kids, get off my lawn.

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01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And you know, if this technology had been

1279
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:16.719
<v Speaker 1>around when I first got into the subject, I would

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01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:19.280
<v Speaker 1>be doing the same thing. Because when I first got

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01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:22.239
<v Speaker 1>into the subject and was young, you know, it took

1282
01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 1>me years to find another researcher that I could speak with. Honestly,

1283
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean I would reach out to people, nobody would respond,

1284
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:32.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I was some young kid from Georgia basically,

1285
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:34.639
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I wasn't in the Pacific Northwest, and

1286
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have experience, and I didn't have people who

1287
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:40.079
<v Speaker 1>could vouch for me in the field, and so you know,

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01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:43.519
<v Speaker 1>if I could have built my own online thing and

1289
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 1>talk to people about it, I would have. You know,

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01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just that YouTube didn't exist back then and social

1291
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:51.760
<v Speaker 1>media didn't exist back then. So you know, the only

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01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:55.480
<v Speaker 1>thing that separates me from those people of a younger age,

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01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.000
<v Speaker 1>is that, like, well, they have access to a technology

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01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:00.280
<v Speaker 1>that I didn't. So I'm again, I'm not making any

1295
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:03.599
<v Speaker 1>sort of moral judgments or value judgments as much as

1296
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:06.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to explain to Nathan, like that's it's

1297
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.519
<v Speaker 1>a frustrating thing to see, because man, I love details,

1298
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:12.880
<v Speaker 1>like I want to know anyone who knows me personally

1299
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.519
<v Speaker 1>will tell you, like the things that I love, I

1300
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:21.360
<v Speaker 1>will obsessively learn every single thing I can about it,

1301
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Like if I fall in love with the band, I

1302
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:27.719
<v Speaker 1>will get obsessed with their entire catalog and everything they've

1303
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:31.159
<v Speaker 1>ever done. I'm either I don't like it or I'm

1304
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:33.480
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with it, Like I'm not a casual fan of

1305
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.920
<v Speaker 1>many things, and so I guess part of me expects

1306
01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:39.519
<v Speaker 1>that people who are into the Sasquatch will be as

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01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:43.559
<v Speaker 1>into all the digging and searching and foraging for information

1308
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:45.320
<v Speaker 1>and trying to get to the bottom of things as

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01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.360
<v Speaker 1>I am. And that's just an unrealistic expectation. I have

1310
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to keep that in mind that like, oh, well, you know,

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01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:53.000
<v Speaker 1>for other people, they're just having fun and there's nothing

1312
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:56.280
<v Speaker 1>wrong with that, but for me, like it it tears

1313
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 1>me up when something' is like, oh no, you were

1314
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:01.000
<v Speaker 1>so close, but you missed it this that or the other.

1315
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:04.800
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm trying to preserve again that center

1316
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:09.760
<v Speaker 1>of reliable information because we are trying to get somewhere.

1317
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:12.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, no one's proved that these things are real,

1318
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:16.440
<v Speaker 1>and no one's accurately tested these hypotheses to a conclusion,

1319
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:20.599
<v Speaker 1>and so it's it's frustrating to see missed opportunities like that.

1320
01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:23.679
<v Speaker 1>But oh well, such as the nature of life, I suppose.

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01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:26.719
<v Speaker 2>I still struggle with the idea that there are casual

1322
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.440
<v Speaker 2>fans of Bigfoot, not that I don't realize they're there.

1323
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:32.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I have, but I forget all the time

1324
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:36.559
<v Speaker 2>because I'm just so over the top and obsessed. And

1325
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:38.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, if I'm not in the woods, I have

1326
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I fear of missing out Foma pretty bad. Just yesterday,

1327
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I was like, going, gosh, darning, you know what I thought,

1328
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Uh see, I thought our podcast was yesterday. And when

1329
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:48.599
<v Speaker 2>I figure, oh, shoot, I could have gone to the

1330
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:50.440
<v Speaker 2>woods today, I didn't go, And then I wonder if

1331
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I can go tomorrow after No, I got to go

1332
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:53.800
<v Speaker 2>to work tomorrow after, you know, and I'm thinking, oh,

1333
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:55.639
<v Speaker 2>I got to go and I realized, oh, well, you

1334
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:57.639
<v Speaker 2>know what, this will be the first week that I

1335
01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:00.840
<v Speaker 2>can remember that I didn't go Bigfoot at least once,

1336
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:03.320
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, i'd have to think all the

1337
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:06.440
<v Speaker 2>way back to like spring or fall or something, and

1338
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:08.480
<v Speaker 2>with my memory, that's that's kind of stretching it, you know.

1339
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:10.280
<v Speaker 2>But then I realized, wait, I was out on Monday.

1340
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:12.880
<v Speaker 2>I did go this week, So I thought I was

1341
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 2>going to take a week off, and that didn't even

1342
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.800
<v Speaker 2>work out because I'm just so obsessed with it. So

1343
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:19.320
<v Speaker 2>the fact that people would like, oh, I like Bigfoot.

1344
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:22.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, I know Roger Patterson's name, and I know

1345
01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Bob Gimlin was with them, and I watched the TV

1346
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.199
<v Speaker 2>shows and you know, and that sort of stuff. I

1347
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.920
<v Speaker 2>forget that are people like that instead of people like

1348
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:35.480
<v Speaker 2>you and I, who like, we're calling people to try

1349
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:38.000
<v Speaker 2>to find out these nitty gritty details from you know,

1350
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:40.360
<v Speaker 2>decades ago, and are there any photographs of this? Like

1351
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:42.519
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, and like when we score a photograph

1352
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:44.559
<v Speaker 2>or a piece of footage of a footprints in the

1353
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.320
<v Speaker 2>ground or something, I'm just over the top and like

1354
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:49.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm riding high for like two weeks on that, you know,

1355
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I forget that there are people out there who just

1356
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:54.679
<v Speaker 2>are interested in the subject. And I should know better

1357
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.000
<v Speaker 2>because I'm at the museum a lot, and when people

1358
01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:00.559
<v Speaker 2>tell me, you know, generally speaking, most stuff I hear

1359
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.079
<v Speaker 2>is like sound events, and I'm a hunter and fishermen,

1360
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:05.320
<v Speaker 2>and I've never heard such a thing. And so I

1361
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I'm thinking to myself, yeah, they're real. And

1362
01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:10.719
<v Speaker 2>I usually said, yeah, it turns out the real animals,

1363
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:13.039
<v Speaker 2>and then they go on a lengthy five or eight

1364
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.880
<v Speaker 2>minute explanation about how nothing else could have made that noise.

1365
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:19.239
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, yeah, yeah, so, and but that's that's

1366
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:21.840
<v Speaker 2>a consequence of being a casual fan, is that you're

1367
01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:24.800
<v Speaker 2>still stuck in the are they real? Question?

1368
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:28.439
<v Speaker 1>And that's the beauty of like when you find like

1369
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:32.000
<v Speaker 1>minded people. I mean, people might be shocked to find

1370
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:34.079
<v Speaker 1>out that because you know, we record all the time,

1371
01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:36.439
<v Speaker 1>but like you and I, for example, speak on the

1372
01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:38.279
<v Speaker 1>phone for at least a couple of hours a week

1373
01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.840
<v Speaker 1>about sasquatch stuff, sometimes more, you know, like we're always

1374
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:43.920
<v Speaker 1>getting into the weeds and that stuff. So it's not

1375
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:46.239
<v Speaker 1>like we only talk when we're recording this show. We're

1376
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.199
<v Speaker 1>always talking squatch. And you know, it reminds me of

1377
01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:52.279
<v Speaker 1>like there's bands that I love that they've never really

1378
01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:55.159
<v Speaker 1>crossed into the mainstream, and so, you know, I'll do

1379
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:58.000
<v Speaker 1>all this searching as I've moved around the country and

1380
01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:00.119
<v Speaker 1>people talk about music, and I'll be like, oh, what

1381
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:02.800
<v Speaker 1>about this band? Like ninety nine percent of the people

1382
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you encounter like I never heard of them, you know,

1383
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:07.119
<v Speaker 1>or oh, I remember that one song on the radio

1384
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.039
<v Speaker 1>because they might have had like one minor hit. And

1385
01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:13.000
<v Speaker 1>then you know, they'll play like a reunion show and

1386
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:14.800
<v Speaker 1>you go there and you're in a room with three

1387
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:18.680
<v Speaker 1>thousand other people who know every single word to every song,

1388
01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.439
<v Speaker 1>and this thing matters to everyone in that room as

1389
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:23.520
<v Speaker 1>much as it matters to you, and it's like, Oh,

1390
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:25.600
<v Speaker 1>you found your people there for a moment, you know.

1391
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:29.399
<v Speaker 1>And I feel the same way with certain researcher friends,

1392
01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:32.600
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, like we've mentioned before, Oh, he's a lifer,

1393
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:35.159
<v Speaker 1>she's a life Like that's someone who really gets it,

1394
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's so few and far between, and

1395
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:40.359
<v Speaker 1>so it's a it's a special thing. But yeah, I

1396
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:44.520
<v Speaker 1>think that's again the costs and benefits. The benefit of

1397
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:47.119
<v Speaker 1>all this social media and internet stuff is that it is.

1398
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:49.760
<v Speaker 1>It does make it easier to find your people in

1399
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:52.640
<v Speaker 1>that regard too. You know, there's all sorts of people

1400
01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I met as a consequence of this and the online

1401
01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:58.479
<v Speaker 1>connectivity that I wouldn't have met otherwise that I've learned

1402
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.119
<v Speaker 1>so much from, you know, So I'm equally grateful as

1403
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.279
<v Speaker 1>much as I am frustrated by this thing.

1404
01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but all the goods man, that sigal noise

1405
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.079
<v Speaker 2>ratio is just off the charts as far as the

1406
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:10.680
<v Speaker 2>internet goes.

1407
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of our people, I think we have some

1408
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:17.119
<v Speaker 1>great questions that came in from the members for the

1409
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:20.079
<v Speaker 1>members only Q and A, which you know for new listeners.

1410
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:22.600
<v Speaker 1>We always record the members episodes as soon as we're done,

1411
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:24.920
<v Speaker 1>we're recording me. So if you're a new member, you're

1412
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:28.199
<v Speaker 1>going to get this. This is Monday hopefully when you're

1413
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:31.239
<v Speaker 1>hearing this when it's released and the bonus episodes come

1414
01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:33.560
<v Speaker 1>out on Thursdays. But so, I think this would be

1415
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.439
<v Speaker 1>a good time to pivot and answer some questions from

1416
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:37.399
<v Speaker 1>our people there.

1417
01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. I think so. I mean, and

1418
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:41.600
<v Speaker 2>you know what, we've didn't get through a lot of questions.

1419
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:43.079
<v Speaker 2>I think we had a lot of good discussions in

1420
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:45.840
<v Speaker 2>this episode, and Boba will be back with us as

1421
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:47.760
<v Speaker 2>soon as he's able to sin as he gets through

1422
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:52.039
<v Speaker 2>the quagmire, this temporary quagmire that he's stuck in. So yeah,

1423
01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:53.640
<v Speaker 2>why don't we go on to do the members episode

1424
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:55.600
<v Speaker 2>right now? And of course people can be members by

1425
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:58.600
<v Speaker 2>going to the website, hitting that membership button and learning

1426
01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:00.399
<v Speaker 2>all about it if they're into it, and if not,

1427
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.159
<v Speaker 2>that's cool too. We have casual listeners, I bet too,

1428
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:07.439
<v Speaker 2>but for the diehards, we got a membership section, so well,

1429
01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:09.079
<v Speaker 2>I guess with that, then why don't we get out

1430
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.119
<v Speaker 2>of here? And thank you very much for listening. We

1431
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:14.279
<v Speaker 2>really do appreciate every single ear and every pair of

1432
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:17.840
<v Speaker 2>ears that is put on our podcast every single week.

1433
01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:21.199
<v Speaker 2>And I mean otherwise we just be sitting around talking

1434
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:23.279
<v Speaker 2>about Bigfoot without you, by the way, which we would

1435
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:27.239
<v Speaker 2>be doing anyway. Again, everybody on this podcast, Bobo, Matt

1436
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:29.760
<v Speaker 2>and I are all lifers. We would be sitting around

1437
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:33.199
<v Speaker 2>having very similar conversations. The only difference is that you,

1438
01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:35.720
<v Speaker 2>most important person on this call, would not be with us.

1439
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:37.680
<v Speaker 2>So thank you very much for being with us, and

1440
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:45.920
<v Speaker 2>until next week, keep a squatchy. Thanks for listening to

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