WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:06.799 H oh g is, folks. 2 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:07.960 It's show tied. 3 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:10.599 People say, good money to see this movie. 4 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.560 When they go out to a theater. They want clod sodas, 5 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:17.199 hot popcorn and no monsters in the protection booth. 6 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:44.640 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. Don it off. You used 7 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:46.840 to czar of the Telo on your neros to a 8 00:00:46.960 --> 00:01:32.719 mast motor, so it's a dirty sell a. 9 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:39.239 Hey, folks want too. A special episode of the Projection Booth, 10 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:41.840 I'm your host, Mike White. On this episode, I'm talking 11 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.959 with Sandermaran, the writer and director, and Jan Andressen, the 12 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:50.799 producer of the new film Chainsaws Worth Singing. This is 13 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:54.480 a film that was I think eleven years in the making. 14 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:58.760 It is a musical. It is about a chainsaw wielding killer. 15 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.280 It is wonderful. Thank you so much for listening to 16 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:05.879 this interview. Definitely find chain Saws Were Singing. It is 17 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:09.280 currently making the rounds at festivals. You can find out 18 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.039 more chainsawsworth Singing dot com. Thanks so much for listening 19 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.599 and I hope you enjoyed this interview. Tell me a 20 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.400 little bit about you guys. How did you get into 21 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:19.719 filmmaking and how long have you been working together? 22 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:23.479 We met back in twenty ten. I started making short 23 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.960 films back in high school, which was two thousand and 24 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.599 eight something like that. Jan as well separately, and then 25 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:32.280 our path crossed and then we Yeah, we did a 26 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:35.840 bunch of short films which was it's pretty crazy, and 27 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.479 we tried it doing some special effects there and a 28 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:43.080 couple of successful short film projects, which ultimately led us 29 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.719 to change house. We're singing because we were figuring why 30 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.280 do we keep doing these shorte little things when we 31 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:51.039 could just spend our time and focus on one big thing. 32 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:56.000 And there was a lot of time on this film 33 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:57.560 with Yeah, so this was. 34 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:59.680 Your first feature. What kind of challenges did you have 35 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:02.400 making such a long feature compared to all the shorts 36 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:03.039 we've been doing. 37 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:06.080 The film school that we went to and everything has 38 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:09.000 taught us how to do like a short movie, So 39 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:11.520 we had no idea how to do that feature one. 40 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.240 So in a way, it's under even wrote the script 41 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:17.520 in a way that every scene is a short movie 42 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:19.599 with a beginning, mid part and then. 43 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.719 So yeah, it was basically like get twenty eight short 44 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.919 stories or sketches even, I'd say, and that's what gives 45 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:30.120 the film the sort of money. Quiet on esque sketch structures. 46 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:32.800 We just want to just have some cool shit happen 47 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.240 there and just across the lines or how we can 48 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:40.120 get from one situation to another so it makes sense. 49 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:42.960 And again that was our main main challenge, just coming 50 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:45.439 from the short film background, that you don't really think 51 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.039 about the narrative as a whole, and how are you 52 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:51.800 going to keep the viewers interested? Sort of get the introduction, 53 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.479 then you get the introduction, then you developed the story 54 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:56.960 and then you come to a climax of the story 55 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.280 with every short film, but it turned out that you 56 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.599 only can keep the middle part or else it's just 57 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:04.560 going to drag way way too much. 58 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.000 So that's pretty much what we learned basically in the 59 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.400 script wasn't written in the right format. 60 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:13.800 Usually you have the Celtics, a no Celtics, no Curier 61 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:18.439 new fontsying like that, there is a way to do it, 62 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:19.040 and we didn't. 63 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:22.639 We better had just like a microsoftort document with it 64 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.800 was very chaotic, so we had no idea how along 65 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:27.560 the movie was going to be. So the first cut 66 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.040 was like three and a half hours or something. That 67 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.839 was back in twenty thirteen when we wrote and shot. 68 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.480 To think I believe we've grown a bit wiser since then, 69 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:38.600 just a bit maybe. So there was a bunch of 70 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:42.040 dumb stuff that we ended up cutting out, and we 71 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:43.920 unless the bunch of dumb stuff in. 72 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.079 Of course, where did you find your cast? I love 73 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:48.879 everybody that's in this movie. 74 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:53.279 Yet, first we reverse engineered, like Robert Dodriguez taught us, 75 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.600 if you have a friend and use him if you 76 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:57.240 have your kid brother, we did. 77 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:57.920 So. 78 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.040 I knew some twins for back in college, and I 79 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:03.639 knew I wanted them to be in the film in 80 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:05.600 exactly the same way they are. I'm not going to 81 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.600 give away spoilerers, but yeah, twin with the Chase Saws. 82 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:13.040 And also Carl Jose who plays the main character Tom. 83 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.160 He was one of our crew as well. We've been 84 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:19.480 making the short film with him since high school. Then 85 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:25.439 the yond character who's plays the goofy goofball guy. He 86 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:28.399 actually turned out was a big fan of our previous 87 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.519 short films, so when we contacted him, he was like, yeah, 88 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:33.680 I mean whatever, I didn't need to read the script. Yeah, 89 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.360 I'll do it whatever it is. So that was cool. 90 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.639 And Laura will play Maria in the film. We actually 91 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:44.399 found through casting which was a killer. Yeah. Also the 92 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:48.959 killer character I recalled, I had seen him somewhere in 93 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:51.920 a short film and so I contacted him. He's otherwise 94 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:55.360 at music festival producer at a film producer, so he 95 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:59.600 didn't have a long background in acting. And also all 96 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.160 of my friends and family are in distinct they die 97 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.920 one way or another. But yeah, what else was there? 98 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:10.759 I think that pretty much covered the female character at first, 99 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:14.600 before we found Laura needs to play Maria. We got 100 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.639 plenty people to show up at a casting and once 101 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:19.759 they realized what the film was about, what the sprit 102 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:23.519 was about, they just left. So at one point we 103 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:25.959 were actually really afraid that we have written a film 104 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:30.040 that was just unplayable for any momental wants to do 105 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.639 like serious films or whatever. So it was so great 106 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:34.360 we found her. 107 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:37.480 Oh and the female main antagonist that we did the 108 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.079 previous project with her, a short movie, Yeah, Rid the 109 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.720 rat Step played the place the. 110 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.839 Evil mother was in our previous short film Curiosity Kills, 111 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:51.519 which was also somewhat successful on genre film festivals, in 112 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.040 which and also with my kid brother plays in that 113 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:57.279 one who was also in the film. And by the way, 114 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.560 that fun fact the little kid brother from the film 115 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:03.079 with the Cross Spoke. He was twelve when we shot 116 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.639 the thing. Then he went through middle school, grade school, 117 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:11.839 high school, college, amendatory what is it the amandator hornby 118 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.600 Army constructor description thing we have in Stonia. And now 119 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.600 as a twenty three year old, he's joined our film 120 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.040 as a producer. So now he is a full time 121 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:24.360 producer here. And also he is in the film, actually twice, 122 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:26.839 he's in the film as a grown up as well. 123 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.319 It was one of the last things we shot is 124 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.480 in the gas station sequenced with the shootout. He's actually 125 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:35.360 one of the last big big times. If you watch 126 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.879 it very closely, Hysteros has grown up, don Trivia. 127 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.480 Were you guys inspired by Richard Linklater with that whole 128 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:47.600 boyhood thing where we're gonna start here and wait twelve years? 129 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:52.040 Absolutely not, although someone pointed out that technically our film 130 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:56.160 did take longer to make it to the audience. Now, 131 00:07:56.199 --> 00:07:59.480 it was never intended hell, someone said that, Yeah, So 132 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:03.480 we shot the team twenty thirteen, and initially it was 133 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:05.519 going to be ready by twenty fourteen, That's what we 134 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.399 promised our our home genre film festival, and then we 135 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:12.160 said maybe next year. And at one point they just 136 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:16.000 stopped asking us. But yeah, it was never meant it 137 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.560 to be this way. Just ten years for post production 138 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.079 is not something you plan on happening in your life. 139 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:26.639 So what was taking eleven ten years to do in post? Right? 140 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.879 Basically, like all the stars aligned when we were shooting, 141 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:34.200 so everybody was doing it for free and crazy enough 142 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:37.720 during that summer people had time, yeah, and they were 143 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.279 up for it. And then when we had finished with 144 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:45.360 our principle photography, then everybody moved on with their lives 145 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:49.159 and got like digs working somewhere. So Saunder was the 146 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:52.440 only guy who had ye time to deal with it. 147 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:55.240 Yeah, and I got a comment, Okay, so the film 148 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.759 should be I think it was about sixty four days 149 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.600 all in all, and we shot mostly during summer, and 150 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:04.679 it's also dripped in the autumn. But yeah, I'm pretty 151 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:07.200 sure I got some serious PTSD from the film shoot, 152 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:10.279 just because it was very fun but very tiring, just 153 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.639 two hours of sleep and then but I smoked way 154 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.200 too many cigarettes during the day, and it's just it 155 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.000 was just harrowing when the when the film shoot stopped, 156 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:22.200 everyone was just congratulating us to yeah, it's finally over, 157 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.200 but I knew that all of dear Lord. Okay, so 158 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:27.879 now I have eight thousand video files and it took 159 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.519 me two months to just to log and rename the 160 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.320 files to get it systemized, not us the figure on 161 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:35.799 the idea yet, not even talking about the audio recordings 162 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:38.399 that we did have. So yeah, just to get a 163 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:43.919 brief timeline. For two years I edited, which was all alone, 164 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:48.480 which is normal considering the film. Then for a year 165 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.399 I did the VFX and we started putting together a 166 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.919 team to finally have it ready by twenty eighteen with 167 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.080 a bigger post production crew. But that sort of imploded 168 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.440 because we ended up paint a bunch of people, but 169 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.679 that really didn't get us the results we wanted, at 170 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:08.159 which point I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna go rogue, 171 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.320 and then I did. So I ended up doing the 172 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:14.840 sound design, mostly by myself for about another two years. 173 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:18.919 Then for two years I learned musical orchestration from scratch 174 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.919 to get the songs done. And then to top that off, 175 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:25.159 it was two years of color correction. Because I don't know, 176 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:27.840 if you saw the film on a screener, perhaps you 177 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.799 don't see the vivid colors, but on a cinema screen. 178 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.039 It looks really cool right now, and it did not 179 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.559 at first, since it was shot with the crappiest, cheapest 180 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.440 cameras you could get, and that's why we had to 181 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:42.919 focus so heavy on the visual look of it. So yeah, 182 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.200 that's where what gets us to twenty twenty four. Don't 183 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:47.639 recommend doing that anyone. 184 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.759 I definitely saw some of that color and just some 185 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.080 of that vividness that you're talking about, especially with the 186 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:56.279 car explosions, of which there are many. 187 00:10:55.759 --> 00:11:00.399 Yes, there are. Also the vfcs aren't believed the ball, 188 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.519 but I'd say their cartoon, their cartoonist in just the 189 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.240 right way. So they were comment. 190 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.639 Had you guys done a musical before this one? 191 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.519 Technically? You know, I done a song during a high 192 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:19.039 school There was a song in one of your shorts. Yeah, 193 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:23.320 in high school, but not like a fulaw musical having 194 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:27.279 the entire musical structure to it. It was just another 195 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.440 exploitation element, just just because we were shooting the thing 196 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.240 so cheap. I knew that during a musical, number of 197 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:36.440 people are most probably gonna get bored, so that was 198 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.240 like a cheap way of entertaining the audiences. Plus there 199 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:43.399 was always like this sort of few moment to like 200 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:47.320 making this. Doing a subject matter that's violent, made sure 201 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:50.759 it's just Cannibal the musical. Actually, our shooting script was 202 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.679 a serial killer of the musical, But yeah, the songs were. 203 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:57.879 I dabb believe piano, but I don't have a musical background. 204 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:02.440 I don't know any music theory. I think it's actually 205 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:06.039 a pretty pretty great piano. I must add, No, I 206 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:08.720 couldn't play anything live as what I'm saying, But yeah, 207 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.799 just having watched all the great Accounibal the Musical and 208 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:15.799 Little Chopple Horrors and everything by Trey White, Parker Matt 209 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.840 Jone and the Money Python Guys and Katieing the wrong 210 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.240 kind of music Bulls is what drove me to make 211 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.000 a musical that doesn't make you vomit with its prancing 212 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:28.799 and dancing, so it's just contained. 213 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:31.399 When was the first time that you actually saw this 214 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:32.240 with an audience? 215 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:37.039 And April a live public viewing. Our world premiere was 216 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:40.799 in April, which was very lively because all of our 217 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:42.919 cast and crew and everybody involved with the film who 218 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:45.519 had been waiting for ten years fighting got to see it. 219 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.879 So that was great. But yeah, we've been doing private 220 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.679 home screaming since she can believe it or not, since 221 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:56.960 twenty sixteen when it didn't have any sound yet. The 222 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:01.000 color was crappy and there was no music. So throughout 223 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.000 the post production process we'd be doing this more updated screenings. 224 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.240 And that's why we were continent that it works on 225 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:12.159 a crowd, because we had so much different backgrounds of 226 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.480 people see it, and even when it was work in progress, 227 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:19.320 they still laughed a lot, so that was fun. But yeah, 228 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:22.679 other than that, Fantasia was also really cool, So we're 229 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.200 looking forward to fantastic screening. 230 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:29.120 Were you still doing other films at the time or 231 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.639 were you just fully dedicated to chainsaws or singing? 232 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:35.480 But you had like gigs but in the beginning, but 233 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.360 then yeah, at first I tried to earn some money 234 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.840 on the side and do at least something, But then 235 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:45.840 I realized that my obligations on the project were so 236 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.559 huge that even if I sign up for a day, 237 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.279 project still always took about a week. So at one 238 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.600 point I just stopped and just went all in on 239 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:58.399 this one. So this is a true labor of love 240 00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:58.960 and hate. 241 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:03.240 Are you full time filmmakers now or are you working 242 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:04.600 other jobs at the same time? 243 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.440 I have been actuity of full time Solms and recurd 244 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:12.159 his production sound mixer projects for years now. 245 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:16.039 But the sunder is now full time on this one. 246 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.639 This is the only thing I've made, and it wasn't 247 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.799 supposed to take so long, So I have to rebuild 248 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:24.360 my life once I get out of this project. The 249 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.559 other producers on our team are my brother's a journalist 250 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:32.399 who played the hippie, my older brother, and the younger brothers. 251 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:35.440 So for this year he's helping us out on the film, 252 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:37.440 but the next year he's going to go to I 253 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:42.039 think it something well, we're not really professional flat filmmakers 254 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.440 per se. Maybe it shows in the film. I don't know. 255 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:49.600 I think it's a fantastic I find so much energy 256 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:51.519 in the film, and even just the way that you're 257 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.200 shooting it and especially the way you're cutting it. It 258 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:55.759 just moves so quickly. 259 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.600 Yeah. I always loved Frank Kappra's quote and there are 260 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.960 no rules of filmmaking, only sins, and the original sin 261 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:09.000 is dullness. So yeah, I watched a lot of films. 262 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.879 I worked through the one thousand movies you have to 263 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:14.879 See before you die book, like, actually watched all the 264 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.360 films now I watched most of it within a year, 265 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.279 but then it tripped into two or three years. Anyway, 266 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.360 as far as I respect arthouse films, I think I 267 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.759 overdosed on them and I never want to see them against. 268 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:30.559 So that's why I felt like a film has to 269 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.720 evolve a lot of stuff happening in it just keep 270 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:35.519 me entertained, and that's what I wanted to do to 271 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:39.000 the audience as well. And technically, I might add why 272 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:44.080 it's so fast, it is because our cameras they were 273 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:50.120 crappy canon rebels, which meant we couldn't change the focus 274 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.679 during when we were shooting. That means we have a 275 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.159 picture storytelling structure where we have to edit so much. 276 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.519 So that's made the process way lots of cuts, but 277 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.240 it made it simpler. The viewers these days are actually 278 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:10.360 more customs fast editing, so it helps us long and 279 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.840 I don't know, I think it works well all in 280 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:17.120 all that it went the way it did. Yeah, although 281 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:19.840 in terms of color correction, where I said two years, 282 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.080 that means that that means that there were three thousands 283 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.600 of five hundred shots that I had to engineer from scratch, 284 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:31.039 basically rebuild one by one, and that was a lot 285 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:32.039 of work that make. 286 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:36.200 Them thick with each other. Yeah. So the fast edit, yeah, 287 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:39.960 it was a nail. The process behind that. 288 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.519 I was in an Adobe premiere where I did it, 289 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:46.159 and it was like a shot and then another another 290 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:49.360 twenty eight or thirty video layers on top of each 291 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:53.480 one containing all sorts of video facts as well, and 292 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.840 so combining them together, and then I for one minute 293 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.639 of the film, I put it to render for eighteen hours, 294 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.960 come back the next day and find out, Nope, it's 295 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.039 all crappy. To do a middle minor for a judgments, 296 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.160 and then then again eighteen hours and then you see it. 297 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.440 And I went through the whole thing that way. Yeah, yeah, 298 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:13.400 it's very manual. 299 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:16.799 But what he did with the picture, there's no like 300 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:20.559 a filter just slapped on and okay, we're good. 301 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:23.640 No, see, you fine tuned every bit of like. 302 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:28.880 Old movie scratches and stuff like in which scene it 303 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.759 should be more and in which the shot it should 304 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:33.400 be less, and he did them. 305 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.559 Yes, that was never the plan though. Yeah, I was 306 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:38.839 never planning on doing so much stuff alone. It just 307 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.559 went this way because we didn't have a budget, and 308 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.319 the budget we did try to put together, if we 309 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.319 started paying people. It turned out that it's just so 310 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.640 much the genre rich content in the film, which requires 311 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:56.039 heavy sound editing and the visual effects and everything. It 312 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.160 was just so much that any professional just didn't have 313 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:03.440 time to invest in such a huge project. So that's 314 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:05.480 why weight it went the way it did. But I 315 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.880 think it gives it character that it's done at home. 316 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.119 This way, it's certainly different. 317 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.079 One week before the shoot, or or a few days 318 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.519 before the first shooting day is when we got together 319 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.079 is okay, we are not doing great with the preparations, 320 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:25.480 so shall we do it next year or just go 321 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:25.960 for it? 322 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.279 And we decided to go for it. So everything was 323 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:30.359 very chaotic during the shoot. 324 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.720 Yeah, and as a director, he hasped scratched out a plan, 325 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:36.720 so he was like shooting day by day. Like when 326 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:39.559 we had done one day, then you can see him 327 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:42.480 on the porch with a cigarette, just take it. Look 328 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.680 at the next day's material, like how the director slept 329 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.000 two hours then straight to do it. 330 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.920 And the survival mode. It was survival moment and it 331 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:54.559 was wared. It reminded us of going into battle. But 332 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:57.559 the reason I think that it looks the way it 333 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:01.319 looks and it has that sort of energetic. The chaotic 334 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:04.400 element to this is because of the decision to go 335 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.119 forward with doing it that year. Yeah, because if we 336 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:12.200 hadn't done that so seriously, our started aligned there. Everybody 337 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:14.960 was just available and wanted to do it during this summer. 338 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.480 The next summers they were all gone, so that was 339 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:19.920 our window and just to go all in and we 340 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:23.039 risked it. It took about too many years of my life, 341 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:27.000 but I'm glad we did it then. But yeah, sorry 342 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.759 if I'm talking too much about in detail, but I 343 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:34.440 just recalled. So the first day was rough. We filmed 344 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:36.720 a bunch of stuff, but we felt maybe we could 345 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:40.240 pull this off. And then almost all of the footage 346 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:44.240 got deleted, which was a very bad start to filming process. 347 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.240 And we had a meeting and it was like, let's 348 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.039 just keep on going. We're not gonna lose anything here. 349 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:52.519 But then we picked up the pace and then found 350 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.119 out that you lose some footage, you can always just 351 00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:00.519 reshoot it. Yeah. The one we deleted was one with 352 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.920 the flower killed in the eye. That got the leted. 353 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:08.160 Okay, but we'll try to It's quite a minimal. Yeah, 354 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:12.200 you wouldn't like have suicidal thoughts in the edits, so 355 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:12.839 I should. 356 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:15.680 After this arduous process, are you going to be able 357 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:17.359 to handle shooting another film? 358 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.440 I have to get a long outro out of this 359 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.359 film because it's taken literally ten eleven years of my 360 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:28.880 life and nothing else. Yeah, just thinking about doing another project. 361 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.559 I don't even know what my life is going to 362 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:34.720 be after we finish selling this and showing this. 363 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.359 Just to give you an example, he has been with 364 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:43.400 windows covered up fully in his room for several years. 365 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:46.960 So he's not even accustomed to the light the same ways. 366 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.440 Oh yeah, that was funny yet because I have to 367 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:53.880 drive out all of my working station and it's in 368 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:58.200 residential building, so it's like a film vampire. In one 369 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:01.000 of the interviews with Dead with the Estonian, I actually 370 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.160 told them that I don't know it. Throughout the years, 371 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:08.559 the neighbors would hear screams, chainsaws, gunshots and fucking singing. 372 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:12.160 I think it must have been so weakly. Yeah. 373 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:14.880 Is there a good place mine for people to keep 374 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:16.559 up with you guys and with the film? 375 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:17.079 Yeah? 376 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.160 Change Thus we're singing if you search or they are 377 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:22.720 all in the Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. 378 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:26.839 Yeah, and also we have our website www dot changeaws 379 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:29.200 for singing dot com, which sort of combines all the 380 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:32.640 screening informations there and all the linkster and social media 381 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.319 handles are also there. So fine. Actually, yeah, our webite 382 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:37.920 is the best source information. 383 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.359 Yeah, fantastic. I want more people to check out this 384 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:43.839 movie and see it on the big screen if they 385 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:46.279 possibly can, because you guys have a lot to be 386 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:47.240 proud of for this one. 387 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:50.039 Oh, thanks so much, Mark, I mean love. 388 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:52.680 Thank you so much for your time. Fellows, this was 389 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:53.880 really nice talking with you. 390 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:56.440 Yeah, youto, thanks for having. 391 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:15.359 Us who are going into bacos? 392 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:20.599 Ever, do they know what's a brock a. 393 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:25.799 B so your father us can bull it down when 394 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:27.000 the jackson. 395 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:37.079 Who am a ramon over the bod whom a real low? 396 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:41.039 They go d when they dig a I. 397 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:48.759 Mean start Miss Sabi, I said, Alma tack the baby 398 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:52.240 and I'm gonna clutch you. 399 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:53.400 I'm sad. 400 00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:04.240 Why am I Alma tat a? 401 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:11.960