Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host.
It's been a busy week. This is the third live
show in a row, starting out Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Last
night we did the Disclosure Day, a spoiler basically review,
so I suggest to only watch that if you want
to know what actually happens in the movie. I thought
it went well. I do have to say over again
to people out there that are in the UFO world,
if you're going there thinking that the movie was made
for us, it wasn't. It's made for the masses. But
there's enough I think there was enough quality in it
to say, if you haven't seen it and you're into
the UFO topic, I'd still go see it. Our guests,
I'm going to be talking a little bit about that.
I said we can't do any spoilers because that was
last night. But sal Almato his book that he has
written is called Hidden Powers, and it's about disclosure, of course,
so I'm going to be talking all about that and
how we got an interest in the topic and all that.
So that's our guest tonight. Just a couple of other things.
Next week next Tuesday, I have Reyes Dalton Morgan and
he's from Australia. I met him at Contact in the Desert.
I've heard about him for a while, a great interview.
So I have that really nice interview coming up. On Tuesday.
I'm hitting the road and going to the Disclosure Forum
up in Washington, d C. Donna, who was joined me
last night. My producer and I are going there, and
I don't know what I'm going to be able to do.
I've talked to Jordan Flowers, who is basically running that event,
and he says I cannot do a live stream like
I've done past there, but I can do all the
recording I want. And I'm not sure who I'm going
to be able to interview or not. But anyway, all
I'm telling you this for is next Thursday. Just keep
an eye on this YouTube channel, and of course everything
that I do on YouTube, most everything goes out on
the podcast audio as well. Just another thing for all
the people that are grumpy at me over at Spotify,
they pay premium, so do I. There's no way I
can get the ads out of the audio when I
send it over there. So I started uploading videos that
are ad free and it's basically a video podcast, and
it works on your podcast player. You just hold your
phone up and you can see video. That's the only difference.
So calm down over there and enjoy the show. So
one other thing I want to say is we have
a lot of really interesting guests booked all the way
into I'm starting to get near September now, so just
keep an eye on the show and there's going to
be some good, really good ones. Jeff Shelly's coming up soon,
and just countless really interesting guests that you will enjoy.
So without further ado, I'm bringing in my guest, Sal
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: How you doing. Nice to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're too. We were just talking about Chicago.
That's where you're from. That area and my favorite city.
I love Chicago and that whole area out there. And
Sam Moronto is a ufologist, lives right outside of Chicago.
Just talked to him via text a couple of minutes ago. Kid, Yeah,
I'll have.
Speaker 2: To get together. So I'll tell you we'll have to
get together and break bread.
Speaker 1: That's right. And you kind of reminded me a little
bit of him in some ways. So yeah, he's a
good guy and he's really involved in Move On and
all the talks and things. I did something out there
at one time, and it was it was a lot
of fun. But anyway, I have to ask you. There's
a poster of your book behind you, and.
Speaker 2: I just had a room done because I'm going to
start using it more. So I got to figure else
about what else I'm going to put in here. My
wife wants our David Cassidy stuff in here. I don't
think it'll work out with the rest of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cutouts, we got to put a cutout on
each side of that post sheet.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding you. She has two cutouts in the
loft over here. She got two cutouts to him, one
when he had to hit the longer here with the
pirates and Panzan stuff, and then one when he was
Keith and Partridge Family.
Speaker 1: He was a good looking guy. I got to say, so, listen,
a lot of people have no idea who we're talking
about the Partridge family, and they still have no idea
what we're talking about the younger generation. But maybe they've
seen the reruns. But it was a fun show and
it was based on the councils. I think, yes, yeah, yeah, back,
it's a whole family. And yeah, and I've seen them
play a few times. There were a lot of fun
flowers in her hair. No, they do that, I can't remember. Yeah, yeah,
but anyway, fun stuff. How did you get interested in
this topic to begin with?
Speaker 2: I was always I was interested in even as a kid,
from Chariot to the Gods to the Sixth if you
remember the sixth since that last time was with Gary Collins,
very short lim it's twilight zone. Anything that just got
you curious, made you think me And I've always been curious,
and I've always had questions. Even when they were answered,
I was like, I still got to get deeper, just
to be sure and dick my clause and they'll be sure.
And this is a subject that goes on. It goes
on forever. You go back four or five hundred years,
and you've got work that had less deal things in
the sky, whether theyre UFOs, who knows, crash is the
one crash in Texas in eighteen ninety seven or whatever
were they supposedly?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, they buried them and.
Speaker 2: They gave them a nice burial and everything had a
nice time for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having a luck on that, but I know
exactly the one you're talking about. But yeah, come up
with theories about the airship. They had this this type
of dirigible, small dirigible that had the gas and it
blew up. I forget exactly what it was that they
don't really know, and it's an unmarked grave, so they'll
never and I guess they figured out where the party was,
but the city will not let them. Well incident, Yes, yeah,
that's it.
Speaker 2: And there was something in nineteen thirty I remember, And
then you had this other you know stuff in Russia.
It's not a monopoly. We don't have it. Every result
of the United States has this. If you think that
we're the only country that if any of this has happened,
is the only we're the only country that has any
of this, any of these things. Yeah, I don't know.
It's a closed minded thought. It's not like everybody either
came from underground, under the water, our space and they say, hey,
let's go to the United States because that's all we
can get the biggest bang for our buck. No, I'm
going to apply human mentality, human thought here and say
that's probably not what happened. What happened, I don't know.
That's why I'm curious, and that's who as a writer,
when you're write, your imagination takes over. And that's what
my imagination did. I imagined a bunch of things said, Okay, well,
like when you had mentioned Disclosure Day, I had. I
wanted to go see it, just to see what his
spin on this was from one writer and see how
they spun it. And it was it was interesting. There
was a foundation there. My foundation for the book was
it wasn't really forty seven, even though rock. My foundation
was that's where the riff began with Truman and Forestall,
because if you and all the research that I did,
Truman just wanted to get out of DC and go
milk his cows. I wanted to go He's had enough,
for the love of God, just get me out of here.
And Forestall wanted as some of the reports and some
of the research, the forest All wanted all of this
stuff to be disclosed to the American public. So I
used part of that as the foundation in the story,
and then I used I briefly touched on the July
fifty two events where the media want bonkers told this
mean you can tell everybody one thing one day and
the next day say oh, we've made a mistake, and
her just go, oh, okay, okay, that's what's good. So
fifty two, the two weekends in July and fifty two,
you got UFOs. Are these things flying all over the place,
and the media reports that thousands of people see it,
blah blah blah. And then the day or two later,
the media is told, this is what it was. It
was swamp gas, it was this. So the media says, okay,
Dopey's here's what it really was. Go about your day.
You know, someone's good. See that's where for people like me,
I go, well, wait a minute, I know enough about
human nature where you couldn't tell the truth if you
wrote it out for a lot of people. And that
just makes me curious. So I go do research and
I go look at things, and I kept digging. I said, Okay,
a lot of it is this crap. There are a
lot of crackpots out there. There are a lot of
people who live through hopism. They tell you something because
they hope it's true, and I want you to believe
it so you can go fight their war with them.
And I don't do that. It's not me. And I
had this whole lot of scenario in my head. Started writing,
got deeper and deeper, and they're like, man, this is
going to really make one heck of a movie. So
I take the hold of a guy to make me
a promo, a promo trailer about the story, because I
was going to use the promo trailer as a way
to raise funds and maybe you make a movie. And
there's two obstacles there. One it's absolutely unrealistic. I don't
have that kind of luck. My friend used to call
me bad luck slop rock. So I figure, Okay, I'm
not going to be able to raise that much money here.
But I really love the idea and I love the story,
and I'm thinking, man, I got to get deeper. I
wanted to get deeper into it. Not only did I
want to just stop with that, I wanted to go
into the future. That's why it's called disclosure from within.
And you have an investigator, reporter and a person in
Victoria Stirling who works for the WPO, which I patterned
by after the World Economic for MWEF, and she is
the creator of all these of the systems that all
these other companies use to suppress information, how they launch
bots out in the system to suppress anything that might
present a negative connotation towards them or what they're working towards.
And then there's a line in the sand that Victoria
Sterling will not cross. So that's how she starts leaking
information as a whistleblower. So Sarah Moore and we get
into disclosure, and like we were talking we talked earlier,
people will fight over anything, so they become fanatical. The
public becomes fanatical, they refuse the belief because we live
in a world where you don't even know what to
believe anymore. Is the true? So that was the whole
idea of the disclosure of m within is that it
has to be so strong and so powerful that you
cannot just look at it and go that's a bunch
of OUI okay.
Speaker 1: Can I I'm sorry, keep going?
Speaker 2: No, that's go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I just you started. You touched on so
many different things, and I was trying to pull up
a couple of things as we're going along, and one
of them was the nineteen fifty two situation, which was
so crazy and I wanted to show people who have
never seen this. Please Major General John Sandford's statement about
this afterwards trying to calm everyone down. If you don't mind,
I'm gonna I'm gonna play that rong.
Speaker 2: Oh I love it. Yeah, go ahead, This is all right.
Speaker 1: Let's let me get that going. So anyway, here it
is right here, and here we go. I think that's it.
Huh yeah, No, this can't be it.
Speaker 2: No, that's I think that's mart it's.
Speaker 1: The right one. Here we go.
Speaker 2: There he is.
Speaker 1: I don't remember him hesitating so much. Let me get it,
get into it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Here. This guy, it looks like he'd be miserable if
he won the lottery.
Speaker 1: He's well spoken. Once he starts.
Speaker 3: I'm here to discuss the flying Saucress. The Air Force
interest in this problem has been due to our feeling
of an obligation to identify and analyze, to the best
of our ability, anything in the air that may have
the possibility of threat or menace to the United States.
In pursuit of this obligation, since nineteen forty seven, we
have received an analyzed between one and two thousand reports
that have come to us from all kinds of sources.
Of this great massive reports, we have been able adequately
to explain the great bulk of them explain them to
our own satisfaction. We've been able to explain them as hoaxes,
as erroneously identified friendly aircraft, as meteorological or electronic phenomena,
or as light aberrations. However, there have been a certain
percentage of this volume of reports that have been made
by credible observers of relatively incredible things. It is this
group of observations that we now are attempting to resolve.
Our basic difficulty in dealing with these is that there
is no measurement of them that makes it possible for
us to put them in any pattern that would be
profitable for a deliberate, custom sort of analysis to take
the next step. We have as a date come to
only one firm conclusion with respect to this remaining percentage,
and that is that it does not contain any pattern
of purpose or of consistence and safe that we can
relate with any to any conceivable threat to the United States.
Speaker 1: That's it for now, So let me just get us
back up here. So yeah, so that just goes to
show in nineteen fifty two what was happening. It was
so crazy. There was so many UFO reports. Everyone was
seeing them, it was and so they were leading up
to it and then after it as well. Fifty two
was a huge flap year, and so that's why the
Robertson Panel was put together in nineteen fifty three to
start the ridicule pattern so we can just stop taking
these reports. That was one of the reasons for that.
So this is just I'm just saying this and showed
that for someone who's actually more new to the topic
that may not know that. That's why I thought I'd
show that.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting topic because you can go down rabble
holes forever in this topic. That's so you got to
lead out the crazys and hope the hope, and I'm
interested in just I want it to be, but I'm
not fanatical in the sense where I'm gonna believe everything.
There are just people out there who want it to
be so they will make up things so people will
think it is. And that doesn't really and it doesn't
help anything because all you do is if there is
a group of people who are suppressing all of this stuff,
they're going to use idiots like that to show how
the whole concept is filled with crack pots and lunatics,
and that's gonna be what they trump it out as
the mainstream news, like when we were talking about Agent
Disclosure that came out earlier. Right, Agent Disclosure is not
a movie, just like Disclosure is not a movie for
guys like you or me, because a lot of this
stuff we already know about. I mean, I researched it
when I wrote, and I remember a lot of it
through history. But aged disclosures. I call it UFO fast
Track for dummies because for people who don't really follow it,
at least if they still have a functioning brain, they
might get curious and go, look some of this stuff up.
Just tell you when I write it's look, just be curious.
Don't let your brain fall asleep. Don't let somebody who
you think is your guy tell you what to think.
They don't know anything more than you do. Go figure
it out. Get curious. And that's what I did. I
got really curious about the subject, and I had ideas
in my head, and I said, okay, let me tie
that into this, and oh, that would be cool if
I tie that into this. It's an imagination and I
do have some genuine thoughts on a lot of this stuff,
and I've already shared someone I think it's obvious that
I think. I think we're being lied to, but I
could be wrong too. I'm not going to go to
war with people over it because we don't know, and
I'm not that fanatical, and I'm not a tribalistic kind
of guy that'll go surround myself. What a bunch of
people only think like me? So I can feel good.
Speaker 1: It's when it comes to the thoughts of movies and
things like that, You're right about that. When I do,
I do. Sometimes I speak at conferences, sometimes at UFO conferences,
and sometimes like I have coming up, I'm going to
be speaking at a public library up in New Hampshire.
They're doing a big Betty and Barney Hill thing then
the Exeter incident, and so I'm going to like the
public library. And in a case like that, it's basically
UFOs one oh one for people who have not paid
attention to that or have some interest in it. But
you have to gear your talk. And that's one of
the things I said last night about Disclosure Day. He
can't gear that movie. It would be a bust if
he geared that for people just about UFOs. He had
to gear it for everyone, interests for everyone, and make
it what he could out of it by adding some
of the truths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I enjoyed it. I thought it was a little slow.
I'm a fast, quick kind of pace guy. I like
to move things along. But honestly, I'm a Colin Firth
as an actor, I think Colin Firth is a great actor,
and I don't think he's ever done a bad Even
while he was in a bad movie, he was still
the best part of the movie. And Emily Blunt did
a great job. And the girl at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the news character. Yeah, we're not going to get
you know, boiler, going to be careful sports.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say anything else about it. But
I enjoyed the movie. And I enjoyed close and Coolers
as much as I enjoy Arthur with Dougley Moore and
anything you enjoy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, have you yourself ever had any type of
UFO sighting that you couldn't know?
Speaker 2: No, And I've tried. I've tried so hard. I've had
really serious discussions me and my dog and look, can
you just come? And there was another idea about the book.
When I wrote the book, I said, oh my god,
there's no way out of this mess down here. On Earth.
There's only two ways out of this. Either insert your
deity of choice. I don't offend anybody. Your deity of
choice comes down and says, look, you people have got
it all wrong. Or you get an alien who comes
from either space, another dimension, or underwater and says, hey,
you got it all wrong. This is the way you
have to do it. And when I wrote the book
is okay, people have no they have faith in things,
but they have no point of true reference. There's no
true reference to point to to say Okay, yeah, I
guess I probably shouldn't do that. I have to do
it this way because we all have our own beliefs
that are based on how we've been programmed and conditioned
through who we've come up with through the years, and
it's very hard for people to get out of that
mindset and jump out of what they've been conditioned to believe.
So a lot of people refuse to believe this, and
they think it's it's a religious think. I don't think
this has anything to do with it. I'm Catholic. I
don't think this has anything to do with religious I
just don't. I think this has got something new, that's
something completely different and to make how to be lash,
don't be mean, Like, look, even God got mad enough
twice to wipe out the whole planet. Take any easier
with this insanity. So I really came at it from
a just a curious, little kid's point of view. This
I like a little kid. I was giggling at times
when I was writing this is kind of cool, and
then there are times like, oh my god, this person
is just disgusting. God, I love them.
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about that the theme of
the book. We're going to be talking about other things.
Of course. I always try to make sure that people
don't feel like it's an infomercial for a book or
anything like that. So that's why we're going all over
the place here. But I think it would be good
timing for me to actually play the trailers you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had two different ones made. The first one
was more you want me to set up up or
do you want to just play it?
Speaker 1: I'm going to get it right now, but go ahead.
The first one is what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first one I used. It shows you the
foundation that I laid out for the story. I was
intrigued by the idea of Holloman Air force base, and
Eisenhower and the military personality intelligencia that we're there, and
anybody else that may have been there. If this really
happened in February of fifty four, where the supposed Greata
Treaty happened, I said, Wow, if that really happened, Holy Coyle.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine discussions that them people would have had
each other stands on the brink? Is it by design?
Speaker 5: But the real war has been hidden for decades. One
offered piece the other power. I hope this doesn't come
back to fitus in the ask society would have all
its problems solved. But was it all too good to
be true? And now the secrets are about to be exposed.
Disclosure must be stopped at all costs. We are receiving
widespread reports of people being abducted, looting, and open warfare
in streets around the world. The hidden powers will sacrifice
billions for control and power. We have been lied to
for seventy years, and now the truth must be exposed.
The WPO has controlled mankind for decades under the guise
of peace and a.
Speaker 2: New world of railword provernment.
Speaker 5: These ungrateful bastards.
Speaker 6: Let them all die.
Speaker 1: We all have contingency plans.
Speaker 7: We'll be fine.
Speaker 5: Now the people have seen the light. After being ruled
to buy those in the shadows for so long, mankind
finally has a chance to be free. And this time
the choice is ours hid in powers. When all the
conspiracy theories become reality, will the truth set us free?
Speaker 1: That's something that's surety. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to get the idea that, you know,
if my whole thought process, and I always go back,
I always say this, but I always go back to
the Federalist papers, the amazing discussions going back and forth
and back and forth, and I thought, wow, can you
imagine the discussions that had to happen if this thing
really did happened in fifty four. I mean, you got
all these general's, military, industry people, all this some people
looking at this this offer as well, imagine how far
I had This will catapult us technologically wise? And you
get the other people who are in those groups saying, wow,
imagine the power we can have if we can get
the power, if we get this technology and use it
for our own benefit and control it and suppress it.
That's where my story. The story goes in that direction.
It goes in that direction, and it's after seventy years,
you just can't keep the can't keep the top on
the pressure cooker much longer. It's going to go. And
that's what I That was the first trailer, and the
second trailer got more into Victoria and more into Sarah.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll play that a little bit later on here.
And so now you wonder a lot of that stuff.
You probably started on this before a lot of these
things were happening. Did you start in this before the
first movie we were just talking about early on Disclosure Day,
the other one Agent disc Closure, Age of Disclosure.
Speaker 2: Did you start out, I'll give you that, Yep, Martin.
Here's what I was doing. So I was writing a
animated show called Bakers and the Urbs, which is getting
picked up for a vertical drama platform. I wrote, I'm
writing that, and at the same time I started laying
out Hidden Powers Disclosure from Within. And this is November, December,
January twenty four, going into twenty five, coming into twenty
twenty five. So I get done with Bakers and the Urbs,
and I'm still I'm still looking at all these stories
about UFOs and I don't remember that yeah, I remember that,
and I'm so fed up with how screwed up everything is.
And I also was in DC for seven years as
a lobbyist, so I saw a lot of crap that
didn't make any sense, and all that went into my therapy.
As I call it, it's therapy. Writing is therapeutic, and
it really helps control your anger management issues because it
just if I can write it out, I'll be mellow
and I could calm down. So I started really getting
serious in about January at twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: Wrote.
Speaker 2: All the way through the year, I probably had about
twenty five thirty edits changed. It didn't like this, yuck,
got that, got rid of this, got rid of that,
and I kept I would give it to my mom.
My mother was in the entertainment industry. My wife would
read it. I had what they call beta readers. I
had about seventy beta readers, and I said, look, whether
it's good, don't be nice to me. If it sucks,
just tell me it sucks. I don't want you to
help my leg and tell me how great it is.
If you don't like it, let me know. So everybody
liked it. Some people said I just don't care about UFOs,
I said, or I just don't care about disclosure. Whatever
that disclosure, I said, okay, fine, whatever, that's cool. Great.
But the people really liked it. It was at least sixty
percent of the people who read it were fans of
the stuff. Anyways, So my mom got really ill about
October of last year and she never got a chance
to read the final version of it. It passed away
in man, thank you. She passed away on New Year's date,
and I was going back and it was hard because
I'm doing I'm already doing pre problem for the books.
I'm looking for an agent. I don't know where. I
get a call from a publisher who wanted who had
seen the trailer, And there is nothing for people who
think trailers for your books. You never know who's going
to see your work somewhere. As a writer, it doesn't
hurt to market. I don't care where it is. Get
it out there. If I was fortunate, the publisher had
saw the one of the trailers, asked if she could
see the manuscript, the first thirty pages or whatever it was.
It sent me an nda. I sent her she wanted
and the next thing she says, look, this is thank you. Yeah,
I mean the next thing, you know, just look, this
book has to be published. I want to publish this book.
I said, Okay, great, I'm thinking of myself. God, I
hope this Ladies for real, because you know, there's a
lot there's a lot of like I said, Predpot's crazy
people you don't know. You just don't know. And I
looked in and I said, oh God, she is real,
and she's a wonderful spirit. She's a wonderful human being
who has been tremendously helpful because I've never published a
book before. I'm an actor. I've done TV, I've done commercials,
I've done voiceover work. I did Second City, I did
stand up But it does you know, it doesn't mean
that I'm pigeon holed into those things. I was in streaming.
I was online streaming thirty years ago. I worked with
Hulu and their development, worked with Roku, who just sold
themselves for twenty two billion dollars. I would like a
little bit of that writing. When I get in that zone,
and when I get a subject like this, especially a
subject like this, I really get into it. And I
spent a good part of the entire year last year
knee deep writing it, rewriting it, and I'm very happy
with the way it came out.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. So you've been paying
attention obviously, what's happening out there, and do you feel
like we're on the road to something or do you
think this is status quo as it always seems to happen,
the two steps forward, one step back type of situation.
Speaker 2: To avoid hopism, like I always speak about, I'm going
to liken it to this. Back in the early eighties,
country music hit the pop charts for a while a
year or two everybody thought, oh god, country music can
take over pop music forever. You had Islands in the
Stream with Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton, Eddie Rabbit, I
Love a Rainy Night and Driving My Life Away, and
then you had Lady Jenny Rodgers. So it was a
span of two years where country music was really starting
to hit the pop charts. This stuff is really starting
to hit the pop mainstream. Now. I hope that something
comes of it. I hope it doesn't wind up like
that country music in the early eighties where Yeah I
had it was like a star and it was like oooh,
and then it just fizzled out. I hope that they're
on something here to get to a to get to
some kind of truth, because I don't care where you
stand in life, where you're at life, anywhere in the world,
unless you're just really a radical, crazy lunatic. Truth is
what you seek, Truth is what you want. How do
you live your life if you don't know what truth is?
And I think a lot of people are looking for
some kind of some truth and you can't bs yourself,
You can't just you gotta really got to think about
it and dig in. And then we're even wonder, Okay,
who's telling me the truth? What is their agenda? We
live in a world you can't trust anything. It's sad,
it's so sad. And when I wrote this, I wrote
it in that manner where you don't know who to do,
you don't know what to trust, who to trust. It's
because it's life, it's our experience today, it's what we
go through today. And too many people become fanatical and
then they get involved with a tribe and then they
stay close minded and they're not willing to open that
mind to a different thing, of different possibility. I hope,
I hope that this is a year where something. Finally,
somebody's got to somebody's got to do a massive data
dump that you can't suppress, that it has to come out.
And then the question is, Okay, now it's there. Are
we gonna believe it? Are we going to keep fighting
each other like we always do?
Speaker 1: That's right, It's very everything's polarizing, including this topic. You
know what I mean? No matter what is written, that
someone will write something rather mean, I stay off the
social media part of this. I posted something on X
a while ago and got into a big situation. I
don't want to get into it, but I mean, I
basically lost a friend who did something not cool at all,
and it's kind of sad when that happens. But so
I've always wondered where this will go and how far
it will What are they going to let out there
when it comes down to what do they know about
what is really going on? And I think I've said
this many times on this show and people are probably
tired of it, but I don't think they have the
full picture. And because they don't have the full picture,
then how can they really say that they can protect
us from whatever it is if they need to.
Speaker 2: I'm a fifty to fifty guy Martin, and that's a
good possibility. Just like I've told people too, Hey, maybe
this stuff really is bad. Maybe some of this stuff,
maybe they are doing it to protect people and protect
the world. I don't know. I'm not willing to go
one way or the other because I just don't know.
So I'm not willing to start a fight with somebody
and argue over it's something I don't know. But some
people want to because they're behind the keyboard. And that's cool,
that's fine, you want to be. But this is part
of the problem too in our life today, is that
people could take swipes at everybody. They all think they
know what they're talking. I know what this is, I
know what he's about, I know what he's thinking. That's okay,
come say that to my face so I can drop
kick you in the throw and then we can settle
the fight. See, they want to fight on online and
nobody gets a problem. Nobody gets punched in the mouth
anymore for being ignorant. And it drives me nuts because
they I see comments, even like comments on the show
that you don't know anything about what these people are
talking about. Yet you already to think you know everything
about that person. It's such a shell peasant mindset. It
drives me nuts.
Speaker 1: Now I know you've worked in technology, So has that
background influenced your view of the disclosure, secrecy and all that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely specially. But yeah, when I was writing, I
used a lot of it. I was online probably aside
from the common or computer days. I was actually online
in eighty eight when I was a stockbroker, I was
already online getting candlestick shirts. By ninety I was using
the Internet, going back and forth and importing and exporting
vinyl and stuff. And then by ninety three ninety four,
I was working with cu see Me technology if people
remember see You see Me out of San Diego State.
It was just video originally, and then I paired up
on audio. If you had this other thing, you can
do the video and the audio. Then real networks came along.
Microsoft had net Show, became Windows Media. We were streaming,
and real networks who were streaming even before their G two.
Their original was real Player, and then there's they were
charging people for their real server, and then you had
to pay for how many streams. I was in bed
with them very early. Same thing with Hulu at the end,
and and Roku. Roku wasn't even a streaming company yet
that Roku was building little and little internet radio tuners.
If you go back to two thousand and six, I
think it was six. That's when I was working with
them in the development because I had I had a
streaming company. We're doing out seven million people a month
listeners online. So I used a lot of that technology
and a lot of them understanding a lot of them
know how how to how to how to get the
signal and how to get how the algorithms work. I
was very beginning stages of algorithms back then about how
they work today. I utilized a lot of what I knew,
and I fudged a little here and there, made up
some snuff, and but I had to do some research
to see if how much was really going to be
possible for disclosure. So I used a lot of that
technology stuff from the past.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see. So when you were doing the research
actually for this book, was there any part of it
that kind of changed your worldview or your view on
things that you discovered by writing this book.
Speaker 2: No, everything that I discovered was everything I assumed. And
again it's I was raised a certain way and I
look at things, but then I would jump out of
my mindset and then i'm look and I go, yeah again,
if this is a finger, it's still a finger, no matter,
you can't change what it is. So when I would
look at something like when you were talking about fifty
two in July, all right, these people saw something, everybody
was told what it was, and then a day later
they're told that's not what it was. And they saw
it for themselves, and they were told this is what
you should believe, and then look, you know, don't believe it.
I can't get what that kind of mindset. I can't
When I see my finger. I know my finger is
a finger, that's all. And you're not gonna tell me
that's my car key, it's my finger. So I didn't
really learn about human nature because I just I have
this outlook on it. The only thing I did learn
was some pretty cool stories, like the Betty and Barney
Hill thing. I had heard about that, and I'm taking
and I said, holy cow, this poor guy and this
lady if they if that happened, what would be the
purpose of them to just come out of nowhere and
lie In nineteen about sixty sixty one, exactly. Yeah, and
their mixed race couples. Hey, couple, I need some attention. No,
probably not something. What do they call it. They call
experiencers people who experience something. I don't think they're all
lying something. These people experience something, and you can't just
dismiss that, especially when they were when you were looking.
Like when I read when I started reading more and
more about Benny and Barty Hill, It's my god, their
story never changed. It was the same story every single
time they were asked, no matter what time, what that
you know, what year it was, so something there are
things there and that just make that. I just something's
got to be there. I just don't know what it is,
but there's something definitely there. What it is I don't know.
So I used my imagination and I wrote a story
about it.
Speaker 1: And a lot of what you wrote may actually come true, right,
may be true in certain ways. So you had to
kind of parallel a lot of things that you knew
were happening. I would imagine, is that what you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of hopism too, because it goes
from dark to light, and it's really about it's odds.
It's how we live now, how we live today. The
issues and things we fight about, why we fight about them,
And half of us don't even understand why we're fighting.
Half people people, most people don't even know what they're
talking about. They just listen to some idiot that they
think is wonderful, and they pairing them all day long.
They have no clue what they're babbling on incessantly about.
It's ridiculous. And and then they all surround themselves well
like minded idiots and yeah, we know what it is. No,
you don't know nothing, man. You know exactly what they
told you, and that's all you know. And it could
be the exact opposite and you'll still never admit it ever.
And that's how I wrote. That's how I wrote a
lot of the stuff in Hidden Powers. It's a lot
of that insanity that goes down in the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a I think there's a saying, and it's
an old saying as way back with books and newspapers
and all that. I think it says people read what
they believe, and that's kind of what's happening when that's
right into social media too. So I'm going to play
your second if I can actually do it. Okay, my
longtime watchers and listeners know how technically challenged I can
be solely.
Speaker 2: Good on the first one. You did really good on it.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, here we go.
Speaker 6: Seventy years they called us paranoid, told us to trust
the system, trust the science, trust our leaders, while they
buried the truth until investigative journalist Sarah Moore uncovered what
they never wanted us to see. On October seventeenth, twenty
twenty six, whistleblower Victoria Sterling stepped forward and proved every
conspiracy was real, every single bit of it. The suppressed cures, the.
Speaker 8: Hidden energy technologies, the silenced inventors, the cures for diseases,
the answers to our greatest problems, all buried because those
in control.
Speaker 2: We needed to be managed.
Speaker 8: In nineteen fifty four, two alien species arrived.
Speaker 7: One offered partnership, the other offered power, power that elites
used to treat humanity like property. Forty seven trillion dollars missing,
seventy years of lies, control and engineered suffering finally exposed.
Speaker 8: They say the truth will set us free?
Speaker 2: Will it? The world erupted.
Speaker 8: People were terrified, turning to each other and on each other.
Speaker 9: Economies imploded, institutions crumbled, and then, even with undeniable proof,
millions still refused to believe it.
Speaker 6: Decades of conditioning didn't just blind.
Speaker 9: People, It made them loyal to the very powers that
owned them. They defended their cages and their owners because
they believed their cages were freedom. What happens when we
learn our entire lives were manufactured? When the heroes we
trust it betrayed us, When those who were supposed to
serve us serve themselves, When we finally realized that wars, diseases,
and famines were engineered by those who profited from it all?
Can we survive the truth if we were never meant
to know about it?
Speaker 2: Some of you are ready to fight, some think were
the enemy, Some no longer know what to believe.
Speaker 9: I understand for seventy years we were conditioned to mistake
slavery for freedom. But together we will make sure that
never happens again and build a bridge to a better
way of life with liberty, justice and freedom for all.
When all the conspiracies become reality, will the truth really
set us free? Hidden Powers, a new book by Sala
motto Ski.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I did that time. I can't
never tell I'm on the other side of the screen.
But yeah, pretty cool, interesting, and so much of that.
Parts of that I'm thinking, yeah, that could happen, and
that could happen.
Speaker 2: Look, the best stories do people. You can never run
out of something, right. All you got to do is
look what's going on in the world, use a little
imagination and write your own story. It's it's not rocket science.
You just you just have to make it make sense.
That's where the and you have to be able to structure.
I wanted to structure. And this thing really covers almost
one hundred years because it goes past everything too. But
it's everything that I hope and everything that I hope
people will look at and say I get that, I
understand that, or and it seems like what we're going
through today, because a lot of it is what we're
going through today. We're going through a lot of this
stuff today, and I just put it all together to
make a story because we are experiencing a lot of
this today where people choose sides for a team that's
not really theirs. Like we spoke about earlier, we don't
know a lot of things, and we just wish more
people were curious rather than being set and thinking they
know everything. Get a little curious, man. You might realize
that the person you hate it's probably a person you
should like. And maybe the person that you're humping their
leg and think they're wonderful, maybe you probably shouldn't like them.
Just takes a little digging to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Now, you must have also thought about because a lot
of times when people are talking about disclosure, they think
it will disrupt things, and I personally don't. I think
it would be it would have to be something that
would be really harmful plasus be harmful to us before
there'd be a lot of disruption. But I think that
there may be various religious beliefs in the world that
would have a problem with it. But I do think
that I don't think the world would collapse. I feel
like we're some people are saying we have a soft
disclosure now, and it's kind of getting people putting our
toe in the water and kind of getting people used
to the thought of it. So what is your thoughts
on all that.
Speaker 2: I think it's like, what do they call that managed descent?
It's being managed to think, based on my experiences with humans,
it seems like a managed descent. I could be wrong.
Don't know. However, I think that I think we would
go through a bit of a rough patch in certain areas,
a bit of it. It's possible, I don't know, but
some people may not just it may not react to
it very well. I don't think it's going to be
the end of the world. I think, like anything, you
got to go through the mud. So there's going to
be certain areas, in certain pockets where there's quicksand, and
we won't have a monopoly on that here in this country.
It'll occur in other countries. It could happen in New Zealand,
it'll happen in Australia, it could happen in Belarus, it
happen in Nepal. I don't know. But humans are finicky bunch.
As Marlon Braindall said in the formula, there are paradox
and a dangerous animal at times human beings.
Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned you worked on did you say you
worked on Wall Street?
Speaker 2: On the I was, I was on a Wall Street
I was. I was a stockbroker years ago.
Speaker 1: So yeah, My question is, so would you think that
there would be a financial collapse?
Speaker 2: It's an interesting you know, and Martin, I could flip
a coin on that one, I think. And initially you're
gonna have I think maybe what we used to call
those whip saws, you know, I think you're going to
see whip saws. If you're a day trader and you're
on the right side, you're gonna make a You're gonna
blow right past the elon musk of your long s
and P five hundred contracts. If you're way out the
money and then they've hit the money, you're going to
be by your own planet. I think you're gonna see
a lot of whips on, a lot of volatility, anything
that is earth shattering for lack of a better term, we'll.
Speaker 1: Change the market.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and as a as a trader, and I
don't mean just like a date trader, but if you're
there's two kinds of investing. You invest for the long term,
there's a couple you invest for the long term. So
you don't care where you get in. That's silly to
You should always try to get in even on the dip.
You don't want to buy at the top. You want
to try and buy it a dip at a low end.
And if you do buy it too high. Then you
could come back in and you can dc dollar cost
to average your way in to lower your in your
purchase price. But then there's also date traders who are like, good,
I'm going to buy a thousand chares, I'm gonna buy
five hundred calls. I'm gonna try and make a teeny
out of each point. So if you make a few
thousand dollars a day, you're good. There's all kinds of
different ways that you can utilize the market for your benefit.
Most people look at it from the long term, especially
now that we're at the highs where around fifty two
thousand on the doll the smps and a record high,
so the four to one ks and the pension's got
to be in pretty good shape for people right now.
But if you get a story like that, you're going
to be all over yourself. You're a trader. It's gonna
be a whole man. I just want to get my
orders filled. If I could just get in and some
of it's to be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. What I was just having a conversation
earlier with about money. It's something that we all agree on,
otherwise it wouldn't work. It's a strange concept how it all.
It's something we agree on, but it's not really a thing.
It's a bizarre it's a power of some kind that
we agree on. But anyway, this has been a real pleasure.
Your a book is link below and it's been a
lot of fun to talk to you tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The book will be out probably July or August.
You can find out more info on my website at
Salomodel dot com.
Speaker 1: Very good, all right, you take care now.
Speaker 2: Oh it was great to talk with you, Martin. This
is fun. I love those Is that neon behind you
the podcast?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had that made in Australia.
Speaker 2: That is super cool man. I like that. Thank you,
my friend. I appreciate you and thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, you take care, all right, everyone, so don't forget.
We'll be back next Tuesday. And that's with Reese Dalton Morgan.
Sorry he's a three one of those three names from Australia.
It's a great interview. I did a pre record at
Contact in the Desert. You're gonna love it. It's a
really great be a really great show to watch. That's
Tuesday night at eight o'clock and then just watch our
YouTube channel, we'll have something or not. Maybe I might
just be able to run some clips on next Thursday
night and when I'll be up in Washington, DC at
the Disclosure Forum. So thanks again everyone, and we'll see
you next week. And don't forget to keep your eyes
to the sky.
Speaker 2: Hm mm hmm