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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host.

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It's been a busy week. This is the third live

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show in a row, starting out Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Last

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night we did the Disclosure Day, a spoiler basically review,

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so I suggest to only watch that if you want

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to know what actually happens in the movie. I thought

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it went well. I do have to say over again

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to people out there that are in the UFO world,

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if you're going there thinking that the movie was made

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for us, it wasn't. It's made for the masses. But

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there's enough I think there was enough quality in it

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to say, if you haven't seen it and you're into

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the UFO topic, I'd still go see it. Our guests,

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I'm going to be talking a little bit about that.

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I said we can't do any spoilers because that was

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last night. But sal Almato his book that he has

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written is called Hidden Powers, and it's about disclosure, of course,

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so I'm going to be talking all about that and

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how we got an interest in the topic and all that.

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So that's our guest tonight. Just a couple of other things.

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Next week next Tuesday, I have Reyes Dalton Morgan and

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he's from Australia. I met him at Contact in the Desert.

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I've heard about him for a while, a great interview.

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So I have that really nice interview coming up. On Tuesday.

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I'm hitting the road and going to the Disclosure Forum

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up in Washington, d C. Donna, who was joined me

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last night. My producer and I are going there, and

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I don't know what I'm going to be able to do.

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I've talked to Jordan Flowers, who is basically running that event,

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and he says I cannot do a live stream like

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I've done past there, but I can do all the

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recording I want. And I'm not sure who I'm going

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to be able to interview or not. But anyway, all

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I'm telling you this for is next Thursday. Just keep

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an eye on this YouTube channel, and of course everything

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that I do on YouTube, most everything goes out on

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the podcast audio as well. Just another thing for all

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the people that are grumpy at me over at Spotify,

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they pay premium, so do I. There's no way I

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can get the ads out of the audio when I

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send it over there. So I started uploading videos that

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are ad free and it's basically a video podcast, and

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it works on your podcast player. You just hold your

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phone up and you can see video. That's the only difference.

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So calm down over there and enjoy the show. So

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one other thing I want to say is we have

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a lot of really interesting guests booked all the way

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into I'm starting to get near September now, so just

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keep an eye on the show and there's going to

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be some good, really good ones. Jeff Shelly's coming up soon,

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and just countless really interesting guests that you will enjoy.

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So without further ado, I'm bringing in my guest, Sal

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: How you doing. Nice to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're too. We were just talking about Chicago.

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That's where you're from. That area and my favorite city.

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I love Chicago and that whole area out there. And

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Sam Moronto is a ufologist, lives right outside of Chicago.

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Just talked to him via text a couple of minutes ago. Kid, Yeah,

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I'll have.

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Speaker 2: To get together. So I'll tell you we'll have to

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get together and break bread.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And you kind of reminded me a little

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bit of him in some ways. So yeah, he's a

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good guy and he's really involved in Move On and

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all the talks and things. I did something out there

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at one time, and it was it was a lot

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of fun. But anyway, I have to ask you. There's

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a poster of your book behind you, and.

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Speaker 2: I just had a room done because I'm going to

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start using it more. So I got to figure else

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about what else I'm going to put in here. My

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wife wants our David Cassidy stuff in here. I don't

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think it'll work out with the rest of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the cutouts, we got to put a cutout on

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each side of that post sheet.

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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding you. She has two cutouts in the

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loft over here. She got two cutouts to him, one

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when he had to hit the longer here with the

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pirates and Panzan stuff, and then one when he was

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Keith and Partridge Family.

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a lot of people have no idea who we're talking

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about the Partridge family, and they still have no idea

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what we're talking about the younger generation. But maybe they've

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seen the reruns. But it was a fun show and

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it was based on the councils. I think, yes, yeah, yeah, back,

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it's a whole family. And yeah, and I've seen them

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play a few times. There were a lot of fun

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flowers in her hair. No, they do that, I can't remember. Yeah, yeah,

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but anyway, fun stuff. How did you get interested in

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this topic to begin with?

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Speaker 2: I was always I was interested in even as a kid,

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from Chariot to the Gods to the Sixth if you

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remember the sixth since that last time was with Gary Collins,

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very short lim it's twilight zone. Anything that just got

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you curious, made you think me And I've always been curious,

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and I've always had questions. Even when they were answered,

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I was like, I still got to get deeper, just

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to be sure and dick my clause and they'll be sure.

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And this is a subject that goes on. It goes

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on forever. You go back four or five hundred years,

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and you've got work that had less deal things in

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the sky, whether theyre UFOs, who knows, crash is the

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one crash in Texas in eighteen ninety seven or whatever

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were they supposedly?

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, they buried them and.

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Speaker 2: They gave them a nice burial and everything had a

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nice time for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having a luck on that, but I know

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exactly the one you're talking about. But yeah, come up

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with theories about the airship. They had this this type

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of dirigible, small dirigible that had the gas and it

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blew up. I forget exactly what it was that they

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don't really know, and it's an unmarked grave, so they'll

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never and I guess they figured out where the party was,

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but the city will not let them. Well incident, Yes, yeah,

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that's it.

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Speaker 2: And there was something in nineteen thirty I remember, And

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then you had this other you know stuff in Russia.

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It's not a monopoly. We don't have it. Every result

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of the United States has this. If you think that

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we're the only country that if any of this has happened,

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is the only we're the only country that has any

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of this, any of these things. Yeah, I don't know.

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It's a closed minded thought. It's not like everybody either

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came from underground, under the water, our space and they say, hey,

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let's go to the United States because that's all we

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can get the biggest bang for our buck. No, I'm

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going to apply human mentality, human thought here and say

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that's probably not what happened. What happened, I don't know.

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That's why I'm curious, and that's who as a writer,

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when you're write, your imagination takes over. And that's what

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my imagination did. I imagined a bunch of things said, Okay, well,

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like when you had mentioned Disclosure Day, I had. I

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wanted to go see it, just to see what his

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spin on this was from one writer and see how

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they spun it. And it was it was interesting. There

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was a foundation there. My foundation for the book was

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it wasn't really forty seven, even though rock. My foundation

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was that's where the riff began with Truman and Forestall,

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because if you and all the research that I did,

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Truman just wanted to get out of DC and go

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milk his cows. I wanted to go He's had enough,

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for the love of God, just get me out of here.

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And Forestall wanted as some of the reports and some

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of the research, the forest All wanted all of this

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stuff to be disclosed to the American public. So I

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used part of that as the foundation in the story,

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and then I used I briefly touched on the July

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fifty two events where the media want bonkers told this

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mean you can tell everybody one thing one day and

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the next day say oh, we've made a mistake, and

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her just go, oh, okay, okay, that's what's good. So

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fifty two, the two weekends in July and fifty two,

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you got UFOs. Are these things flying all over the place,

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and the media reports that thousands of people see it,

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blah blah blah. And then the day or two later,

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the media is told, this is what it was. It

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was swamp gas, it was this. So the media says, okay,

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Dopey's here's what it really was. Go about your day.

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You know, someone's good. See that's where for people like me,

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I go, well, wait a minute, I know enough about

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human nature where you couldn't tell the truth if you

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wrote it out for a lot of people. And that

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just makes me curious. So I go do research and

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I go look at things, and I kept digging. I said, Okay,

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a lot of it is this crap. There are a

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lot of crackpots out there. There are a lot of

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people who live through hopism. They tell you something because

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they hope it's true, and I want you to believe

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it so you can go fight their war with them.

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And I don't do that. It's not me. And I

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had this whole lot of scenario in my head. Started writing,

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got deeper and deeper, and they're like, man, this is

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going to really make one heck of a movie. So

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I take the hold of a guy to make me

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a promo, a promo trailer about the story, because I

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was going to use the promo trailer as a way

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to raise funds and maybe you make a movie. And

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there's two obstacles there. One it's absolutely unrealistic. I don't

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have that kind of luck. My friend used to call

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me bad luck slop rock. So I figure, Okay, I'm

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not going to be able to raise that much money here.

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and I'm thinking, man, I got to get deeper. I

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wanted to get deeper into it. Not only did I

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want to just stop with that, I wanted to go

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into the future. That's why it's called disclosure from within.

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And you have an investigator, reporter and a person in

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Victoria Stirling who works for the WPO, which I patterned

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by after the World Economic for MWEF, and she is

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the creator of all these of the systems that all

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these other companies use to suppress information, how they launch

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bots out in the system to suppress anything that might

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present a negative connotation towards them or what they're working towards.

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information as a whistleblower. So Sarah Moore and we get

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into disclosure, and like we were talking we talked earlier,

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people will fight over anything, so they become fanatical. The

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public becomes fanatical, they refuse the belief because we live

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in a world where you don't even know what to

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believe anymore. Is the true? So that was the whole

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idea of the disclosure of m within is that it

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has to be so strong and so powerful that you

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cannot just look at it and go that's a bunch

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of OUI okay.

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Speaker 2: No, that's go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I just you started. You touched on so

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many different things, and I was trying to pull up

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a couple of things as we're going along, and one

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of them was the nineteen fifty two situation, which was

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so crazy and I wanted to show people who have

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never seen this. Please Major General John Sandford's statement about

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this afterwards trying to calm everyone down. If you don't mind,

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I'm gonna I'm gonna play that rong.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love it. Yeah, go ahead, This is all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's let me get that going. So anyway, here it

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is right here, and here we go. I think that's it.

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Speaker 2: No, that's I think that's mart it's.

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Speaker 1: The right one. Here we go.

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Speaker 2: There he is.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember him hesitating so much. Let me get it,

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Speaker 2: Here. This guy, it looks like he'd be miserable if

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he won the lottery.

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Speaker 1: He's well spoken. Once he starts.

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Speaker 3: I'm here to discuss the flying Saucress. The Air Force

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interest in this problem has been due to our feeling

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of an obligation to identify and analyze, to the best

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of our ability, anything in the air that may have

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the possibility of threat or menace to the United States.

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In pursuit of this obligation, since nineteen forty seven, we

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have received an analyzed between one and two thousand reports

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that have come to us from all kinds of sources.

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Of this great massive reports, we have been able adequately

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to explain the great bulk of them explain them to

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our own satisfaction. We've been able to explain them as hoaxes,

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as erroneously identified friendly aircraft, as meteorological or electronic phenomena,

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or as light aberrations. However, there have been a certain

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percentage of this volume of reports that have been made

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by credible observers of relatively incredible things. It is this

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group of observations that we now are attempting to resolve.

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Our basic difficulty in dealing with these is that there

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is no measurement of them that makes it possible for

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us to put them in any pattern that would be

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profitable for a deliberate, custom sort of analysis to take

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the next step. We have as a date come to

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only one firm conclusion with respect to this remaining percentage,

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and that is that it does not contain any pattern

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of purpose or of consistence and safe that we can

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relate with any to any conceivable threat to the United States.

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Speaker 1: That's it for now, So let me just get us

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back up here. So yeah, so that just goes to

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show in nineteen fifty two what was happening. It was

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so crazy. There was so many UFO reports. Everyone was

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seeing them, it was and so they were leading up

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to it and then after it as well. Fifty two

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was a huge flap year, and so that's why the

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Robertson Panel was put together in nineteen fifty three to

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start the ridicule pattern so we can just stop taking

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these reports. That was one of the reasons for that.

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So this is just I'm just saying this and showed

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that for someone who's actually more new to the topic

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that may not know that. That's why I thought I'd

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show that.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting topic because you can go down rabble

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holes forever in this topic. That's so you got to

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lead out the crazys and hope the hope, and I'm

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interested in just I want it to be, but I'm

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not fanatical in the sense where I'm gonna believe everything.

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There are just people out there who want it to

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be so they will make up things so people will

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think it is. And that doesn't really and it doesn't

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help anything because all you do is if there is

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a group of people who are suppressing all of this stuff,

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they're going to use idiots like that to show how

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the whole concept is filled with crack pots and lunatics,

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and that's gonna be what they trump it out as

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the mainstream news, like when we were talking about Agent

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Disclosure that came out earlier. Right, Agent Disclosure is not

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a movie, just like Disclosure is not a movie for

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guys like you or me, because a lot of this

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stuff we already know about. I mean, I researched it

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when I wrote, and I remember a lot of it

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through history. But aged disclosures. I call it UFO fast

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Track for dummies because for people who don't really follow it,

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at least if they still have a functioning brain, they

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might get curious and go, look some of this stuff up.

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Just tell you when I write it's look, just be curious.

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Don't let your brain fall asleep. Don't let somebody who

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you think is your guy tell you what to think.

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They don't know anything more than you do. Go figure

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it out. Get curious. And that's what I did. I

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got really curious about the subject, and I had ideas

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in my head, and I said, okay, let me tie

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that into this, and oh, that would be cool if

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I tie that into this. It's an imagination and I

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do have some genuine thoughts on a lot of this stuff,

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and I've already shared someone I think it's obvious that

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I think. I think we're being lied to, but I

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could be wrong too. I'm not going to go to

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war with people over it because we don't know, and

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I'm not that fanatical, and I'm not a tribalistic kind

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of guy that'll go surround myself. What a bunch of

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people only think like me? So I can feel good.

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Speaker 1: It's when it comes to the thoughts of movies and

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things like that, You're right about that. When I do,

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I do. Sometimes I speak at conferences, sometimes at UFO conferences,

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and sometimes like I have coming up, I'm going to

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be speaking at a public library up in New Hampshire.

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They're doing a big Betty and Barney Hill thing then

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the Exeter incident, and so I'm going to like the

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public library. And in a case like that, it's basically

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UFOs one oh one for people who have not paid

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attention to that or have some interest in it. But

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you have to gear your talk. And that's one of

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the things I said last night about Disclosure Day. He

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can't gear that movie. It would be a bust if

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he geared that for people just about UFOs. He had

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to gear it for everyone, interests for everyone, and make

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it what he could out of it by adding some

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of the truths.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I enjoyed it. I thought it was a little slow.

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I'm a fast, quick kind of pace guy. I like

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to move things along. But honestly, I'm a Colin Firth

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as an actor, I think Colin Firth is a great actor,

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and I don't think he's ever done a bad Even

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while he was in a bad movie, he was still

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the best part of the movie. And Emily Blunt did

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a great job. And the girl at the end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the news character. Yeah, we're not going to get

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you know, boiler, going to be careful sports.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say anything else about it. But

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I enjoyed the movie. And I enjoyed close and Coolers

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as much as I enjoy Arthur with Dougley Moore and

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anything you enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, have you yourself ever had any type of

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UFO sighting that you couldn't know?

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Speaker 2: No, And I've tried. I've tried so hard. I've had

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really serious discussions me and my dog and look, can

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you just come? And there was another idea about the book.

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When I wrote the book, I said, oh my god,

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there's no way out of this mess down here. On Earth.

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There's only two ways out of this. Either insert your

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deity of choice. I don't offend anybody. Your deity of

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choice comes down and says, look, you people have got

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it all wrong. Or you get an alien who comes

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from either space, another dimension, or underwater and says, hey,

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you got it all wrong. This is the way you

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have to do it. And when I wrote the book

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is okay, people have no they have faith in things,

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but they have no point of true reference. There's no

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true reference to point to to say Okay, yeah, I

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guess I probably shouldn't do that. I have to do

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it this way because we all have our own beliefs

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that are based on how we've been programmed and conditioned

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through who we've come up with through the years, and

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it's very hard for people to get out of that

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mindset and jump out of what they've been conditioned to believe.

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So a lot of people refuse to believe this, and

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they think it's it's a religious think. I don't think

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this has anything to do with it. I'm Catholic. I

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don't think this has anything to do with religious I

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just don't. I think this has got something new, that's

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something completely different and to make how to be lash,

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don't be mean, Like, look, even God got mad enough

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twice to wipe out the whole planet. Take any easier

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with this insanity. So I really came at it from

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a just a curious, little kid's point of view. This

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I like a little kid. I was giggling at times

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when I was writing this is kind of cool, and

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then there are times like, oh my god, this person

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is just disgusting. God, I love them.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about that the theme of

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the book. We're going to be talking about other things.

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Of course. I always try to make sure that people

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don't feel like it's an infomercial for a book or

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anything like that. So that's why we're going all over

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the place here. But I think it would be good

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timing for me to actually play the trailers you mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had two different ones made. The first one

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was more you want me to set up up or

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do you want to just play it?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get it right now, but go ahead.

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The first one is what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first one I used. It shows you the

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foundation that I laid out for the story. I was

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intrigued by the idea of Holloman Air force base, and

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Eisenhower and the military personality intelligencia that we're there, and

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anybody else that may have been there. If this really

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happened in February of fifty four, where the supposed Greata

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Treaty happened, I said, Wow, if that really happened, Holy Coyle.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine discussions that them people would have had

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each other stands on the brink? Is it by design?

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Speaker 5: But the real war has been hidden for decades. One

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offered piece the other power. I hope this doesn't come

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back to fitus in the ask society would have all

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its problems solved. But was it all too good to

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be true? And now the secrets are about to be exposed.

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Disclosure must be stopped at all costs. We are receiving

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widespread reports of people being abducted, looting, and open warfare

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in streets around the world. The hidden powers will sacrifice

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billions for control and power. We have been lied to

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for seventy years, and now the truth must be exposed.

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The WPO has controlled mankind for decades under the guise

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of peace and a.

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Speaker 2: New world of railword provernment.

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Speaker 5: These ungrateful bastards.

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Speaker 6: Let them all die.

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Speaker 1: We all have contingency plans.

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Speaker 7: We'll be fine.

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Speaker 5: Now the people have seen the light. After being ruled

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to buy those in the shadows for so long, mankind

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finally has a chance to be free. And this time

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the choice is ours hid in powers. When all the

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conspiracy theories become reality, will the truth set us free?

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Speaker 1: That's something that's surety. Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to get the idea that, you know,

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if my whole thought process, and I always go back,

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I always say this, but I always go back to

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the Federalist papers, the amazing discussions going back and forth

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and back and forth, and I thought, wow, can you

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imagine the discussions that had to happen if this thing

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really did happened in fifty four. I mean, you got

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all these general's, military, industry people, all this some people

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looking at this this offer as well, imagine how far

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I had This will catapult us technologically wise? And you

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get the other people who are in those groups saying, wow,

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imagine the power we can have if we can get

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the power, if we get this technology and use it

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for our own benefit and control it and suppress it.

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That's where my story. The story goes in that direction.

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It goes in that direction, and it's after seventy years,

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you just can't keep the can't keep the top on

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the pressure cooker much longer. It's going to go. And

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that's what I That was the first trailer, and the

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second trailer got more into Victoria and more into Sarah.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll play that a little bit later on here.

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And so now you wonder a lot of that stuff.

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You probably started on this before a lot of these

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things were happening. Did you start in this before the

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first movie we were just talking about early on Disclosure Day,

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the other one Agent disc Closure, Age of Disclosure.

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Speaker 2: Did you start out, I'll give you that, Yep, Martin.

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Here's what I was doing. So I was writing a

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animated show called Bakers and the Urbs, which is getting

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picked up for a vertical drama platform. I wrote, I'm

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writing that, and at the same time I started laying

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out Hidden Powers Disclosure from Within. And this is November, December,

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January twenty four, going into twenty five, coming into twenty

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twenty five. So I get done with Bakers and the Urbs,

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and I'm still I'm still looking at all these stories

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about UFOs and I don't remember that yeah, I remember that,

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and I'm so fed up with how screwed up everything is.

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And I also was in DC for seven years as

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a lobbyist, so I saw a lot of crap that

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didn't make any sense, and all that went into my therapy.

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As I call it, it's therapy. Writing is therapeutic, and

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it really helps control your anger management issues because it

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just if I can write it out, I'll be mellow

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and I could calm down. So I started really getting

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serious in about January at twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Wrote.

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Speaker 2: All the way through the year, I probably had about

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twenty five thirty edits changed. It didn't like this, yuck,

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got that, got rid of this, got rid of that,

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and I kept I would give it to my mom.

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My mother was in the entertainment industry. My wife would

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read it. I had what they call beta readers. I

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had about seventy beta readers, and I said, look, whether

475
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,279
it's good, don't be nice to me. If it sucks,

476
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,000
just tell me it sucks. I don't want you to

477
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,440
help my leg and tell me how great it is.

478
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,920
If you don't like it, let me know. So everybody

479
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,160
liked it. Some people said I just don't care about UFOs,

480
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,359
I said, or I just don't care about disclosure. Whatever

481
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,759
that disclosure, I said, okay, fine, whatever, that's cool. Great.

482
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,200
But the people really liked it. It was at least sixty

483
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,640
percent of the people who read it were fans of

484
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,640
the stuff. Anyways, So my mom got really ill about

485
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,440
October of last year and she never got a chance

486
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,880
to read the final version of it. It passed away

487
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,119
in man, thank you. She passed away on New Year's date,

488
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:24,720
and I was going back and it was hard because

489
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,279
I'm doing I'm already doing pre problem for the books.

490
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:29,119
I'm looking for an agent. I don't know where. I

491
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,519
get a call from a publisher who wanted who had

492
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,680
seen the trailer, And there is nothing for people who

493
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,079
think trailers for your books. You never know who's going

494
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,920
to see your work somewhere. As a writer, it doesn't

495
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,720
hurt to market. I don't care where it is. Get

496
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:50,720
it out there. If I was fortunate, the publisher had

497
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:55,119
saw the one of the trailers, asked if she could

498
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,039
see the manuscript, the first thirty pages or whatever it was.

499
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:00,640
It sent me an nda. I sent her she wanted

500
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:05,200
and the next thing she says, look, this is thank you. Yeah,

501
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,359
I mean the next thing, you know, just look, this

502
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,519
book has to be published. I want to publish this book.

503
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,359
I said, Okay, great, I'm thinking of myself. God, I

504
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,640
hope this Ladies for real, because you know, there's a

505
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,400
lot there's a lot of like I said, Predpot's crazy

506
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,039
people you don't know. You just don't know. And I

507
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,279
looked in and I said, oh God, she is real,

508
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,799
and she's a wonderful spirit. She's a wonderful human being

509
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,000
who has been tremendously helpful because I've never published a

510
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:38,359
book before. I'm an actor. I've done TV, I've done commercials,

511
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,880
I've done voiceover work. I did Second City, I did

512
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:45,359
stand up But it does you know, it doesn't mean

513
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,039
that I'm pigeon holed into those things. I was in streaming.

514
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:51,680
I was online streaming thirty years ago. I worked with

515
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:56,160
Hulu and their development, worked with Roku, who just sold

516
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,920
themselves for twenty two billion dollars. I would like a

517
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:05,640
little bit of that writing. When I get in that zone,

518
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,759
and when I get a subject like this, especially a

519
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,920
subject like this, I really get into it. And I

520
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,599
spent a good part of the entire year last year

521
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,720
knee deep writing it, rewriting it, and I'm very happy

522
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:22,720
with the way it came out.

523
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. So you've been paying

524
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:31,440
attention obviously, what's happening out there, and do you feel

525
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,640
like we're on the road to something or do you

526
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,240
think this is status quo as it always seems to happen,

527
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,680
the two steps forward, one step back type of situation.

528
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,319
Speaker 2: To avoid hopism, like I always speak about, I'm going

529
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,720
to liken it to this. Back in the early eighties,

530
00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:53,359
country music hit the pop charts for a while a

531
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,400
year or two everybody thought, oh god, country music can

532
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,039
take over pop music forever. You had Islands in the

533
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:03,000
Stream with Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton, Eddie Rabbit, I

534
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,519
Love a Rainy Night and Driving My Life Away, and

535
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:09,200
then you had Lady Jenny Rodgers. So it was a

536
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,440
span of two years where country music was really starting

537
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,519
to hit the pop charts. This stuff is really starting

538
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:20,640
to hit the pop mainstream. Now. I hope that something

539
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,920
comes of it. I hope it doesn't wind up like

540
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,559
that country music in the early eighties where Yeah I

541
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,839
had it was like a star and it was like oooh,

542
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,720
and then it just fizzled out. I hope that they're

543
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,960
on something here to get to a to get to

544
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,960
some kind of truth, because I don't care where you

545
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,319
stand in life, where you're at life, anywhere in the world,

546
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:47,160
unless you're just really a radical, crazy lunatic. Truth is

547
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,359
what you seek, Truth is what you want. How do

548
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,279
you live your life if you don't know what truth is?

549
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,720
And I think a lot of people are looking for

550
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,160
some kind of some truth and you can't bs yourself,

551
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,759
You can't just you gotta really got to think about

552
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,119
it and dig in. And then we're even wonder, Okay,

553
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,160
who's telling me the truth? What is their agenda? We

554
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,759
live in a world you can't trust anything. It's sad,

555
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:14,880
it's so sad. And when I wrote this, I wrote

556
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,559
it in that manner where you don't know who to do,

557
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,400
you don't know what to trust, who to trust. It's

558
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,519
because it's life, it's our experience today, it's what we

559
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,799
go through today. And too many people become fanatical and

560
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,480
then they get involved with a tribe and then they

561
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:34,160
stay close minded and they're not willing to open that

562
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,960
mind to a different thing, of different possibility. I hope,

563
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:44,519
I hope that this is a year where something. Finally,

564
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,359
somebody's got to somebody's got to do a massive data

565
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,880
dump that you can't suppress, that it has to come out.

566
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,319
And then the question is, Okay, now it's there. Are

567
00:31:57,319 --> 00:31:59,119
we gonna believe it? Are we going to keep fighting

568
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,519
each other like we always do?

569
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,519
Speaker 1: That's right, It's very everything's polarizing, including this topic. You

570
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:10,559
know what I mean? No matter what is written, that

571
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,000
someone will write something rather mean, I stay off the

572
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,559
social media part of this. I posted something on X

573
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:23,160
a while ago and got into a big situation. I

574
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,720
don't want to get into it, but I mean, I

575
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:28,720
basically lost a friend who did something not cool at all,

576
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,440
and it's kind of sad when that happens. But so

577
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:36,079
I've always wondered where this will go and how far

578
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,640
it will What are they going to let out there

579
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,000
when it comes down to what do they know about

580
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:47,400
what is really going on? And I think I've said

581
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,559
this many times on this show and people are probably

582
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:51,839
tired of it, but I don't think they have the

583
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,400
full picture. And because they don't have the full picture,

584
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:59,480
then how can they really say that they can protect

585
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,200
us from whatever it is if they need to.

586
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: I'm a fifty to fifty guy Martin, and that's a

587
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,279
good possibility. Just like I've told people too, Hey, maybe

588
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:12,039
this stuff really is bad. Maybe some of this stuff,

589
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,920
maybe they are doing it to protect people and protect

590
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,960
the world. I don't know. I'm not willing to go

591
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:20,079
one way or the other because I just don't know.

592
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,279
So I'm not willing to start a fight with somebody

593
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,880
and argue over it's something I don't know. But some

594
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,880
people want to because they're behind the keyboard. And that's cool,

595
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:30,440
that's fine, you want to be. But this is part

596
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,240
of the problem too in our life today, is that

597
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,720
people could take swipes at everybody. They all think they

598
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,039
know what they're talking. I know what this is, I

599
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,920
know what he's about, I know what he's thinking. That's okay,

600
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,079
come say that to my face so I can drop

601
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720
kick you in the throw and then we can settle

602
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,759
the fight. See, they want to fight on online and

603
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:49,839
nobody gets a problem. Nobody gets punched in the mouth

604
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,119
anymore for being ignorant. And it drives me nuts because

605
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,079
they I see comments, even like comments on the show

606
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:58,519
that you don't know anything about what these people are

607
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,160
talking about. Yet you already to think you know everything

608
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,279
about that person. It's such a shell peasant mindset. It

609
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:08,159
drives me nuts.

610
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,079
Speaker 1: Now I know you've worked in technology, So has that

611
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:19,159
background influenced your view of the disclosure, secrecy and all that?

612
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,639
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely specially. But yeah, when I was writing, I

613
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,159
used a lot of it. I was online probably aside

614
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,519
from the common or computer days. I was actually online

615
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,559
in eighty eight when I was a stockbroker, I was

616
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:36,800
already online getting candlestick shirts. By ninety I was using

617
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,119
the Internet, going back and forth and importing and exporting

618
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,480
vinyl and stuff. And then by ninety three ninety four,

619
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,039
I was working with cu see Me technology if people

620
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:49,360
remember see You see Me out of San Diego State.

621
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,320
It was just video originally, and then I paired up

622
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,280
on audio. If you had this other thing, you can

623
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,079
do the video and the audio. Then real networks came along.

624
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:02,760
Microsoft had net Show, became Windows Media. We were streaming,

625
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,039
and real networks who were streaming even before their G two.

626
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:09,559
Their original was real Player, and then there's they were

627
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,719
charging people for their real server, and then you had

628
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,599
to pay for how many streams. I was in bed

629
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,000
with them very early. Same thing with Hulu at the end,

630
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,039
and and Roku. Roku wasn't even a streaming company yet

631
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:27,039
that Roku was building little and little internet radio tuners.

632
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,400
If you go back to two thousand and six, I

633
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,480
think it was six. That's when I was working with

634
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:34,199
them in the development because I had I had a

635
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,920
streaming company. We're doing out seven million people a month

636
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,880
listeners online. So I used a lot of that technology

637
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,639
and a lot of them understanding a lot of them

638
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,840
know how how to how to how to get the

639
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,679
signal and how to get how the algorithms work. I

640
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,079
was very beginning stages of algorithms back then about how

641
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:54,480
they work today. I utilized a lot of what I knew,

642
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:58,280
and I fudged a little here and there, made up

643
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,239
some snuff, and but I had to do some research

644
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,519
to see if how much was really going to be

645
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:07,280
possible for disclosure. So I used a lot of that

646
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,159
technology stuff from the past.

647
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I see. So when you were doing the research

648
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:19,360
actually for this book, was there any part of it

649
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,159
that kind of changed your worldview or your view on

650
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,280
things that you discovered by writing this book.

651
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: No, everything that I discovered was everything I assumed. And

652
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:41,119
again it's I was raised a certain way and I

653
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:43,599
look at things, but then I would jump out of

654
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,119
my mindset and then i'm look and I go, yeah again,

655
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,840
if this is a finger, it's still a finger, no matter,

656
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,000
you can't change what it is. So when I would

657
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,239
look at something like when you were talking about fifty

658
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:02,119
two in July, all right, these people saw something, everybody

659
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,239
was told what it was, and then a day later

660
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,119
they're told that's not what it was. And they saw

661
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:11,480
it for themselves, and they were told this is what

662
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:14,840
you should believe, and then look, you know, don't believe it.

663
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,000
I can't get what that kind of mindset. I can't

664
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:20,000
When I see my finger. I know my finger is

665
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,280
a finger, that's all. And you're not gonna tell me

666
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,159
that's my car key, it's my finger. So I didn't

667
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:32,599
really learn about human nature because I just I have

668
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,239
this outlook on it. The only thing I did learn

669
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,960
was some pretty cool stories, like the Betty and Barney

670
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:39,960
Hill thing. I had heard about that, and I'm taking

671
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:42,679
and I said, holy cow, this poor guy and this

672
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,360
lady if they if that happened, what would be the

673
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,440
purpose of them to just come out of nowhere and

674
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,639
lie In nineteen about sixty sixty one, exactly. Yeah, and

675
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,760
their mixed race couples. Hey, couple, I need some attention. No,

676
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,960
probably not something. What do they call it. They call

677
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,880
experiencers people who experience something. I don't think they're all

678
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,159
lying something. These people experience something, and you can't just

679
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,519
dismiss that, especially when they were when you were looking.

680
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:14,480
Like when I read when I started reading more and

681
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,960
more about Benny and Barty Hill, It's my god, their

682
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:19,800
story never changed. It was the same story every single

683
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,800
time they were asked, no matter what time, what that

684
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,719
you know, what year it was, so something there are

685
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,039
things there and that just make that. I just something's

686
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:32,920
got to be there. I just don't know what it is,

687
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,440
but there's something definitely there. What it is I don't know.

688
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:39,039
So I used my imagination and I wrote a story

689
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:39,519
about it.

690
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:45,039
Speaker 1: And a lot of what you wrote may actually come true, right,

691
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:48,320
may be true in certain ways. So you had to

692
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,199
kind of parallel a lot of things that you knew

693
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,639
were happening. I would imagine, is that what you did.

694
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of hopism too, because it goes

695
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,159
from dark to light, and it's really about it's odds.

696
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:03,880
It's how we live now, how we live today. The

697
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,360
issues and things we fight about, why we fight about them,

698
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:10,440
And half of us don't even understand why we're fighting.

699
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:12,639
Half people people, most people don't even know what they're

700
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:15,599
talking about. They just listen to some idiot that they

701
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,280
think is wonderful, and they pairing them all day long.

702
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:21,480
They have no clue what they're babbling on incessantly about.

703
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,920
It's ridiculous. And and then they all surround themselves well

704
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,159
like minded idiots and yeah, we know what it is. No,

705
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,599
you don't know nothing, man. You know exactly what they

706
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,760
told you, and that's all you know. And it could

707
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,800
be the exact opposite and you'll still never admit it ever.

708
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,920
And that's how I wrote. That's how I wrote a

709
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,039
lot of the stuff in Hidden Powers. It's a lot

710
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,440
of that insanity that goes down in the story.

711
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a I think there's a saying, and it's

712
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:51,000
an old saying as way back with books and newspapers

713
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:52,880
and all that. I think it says people read what

714
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,840
they believe, and that's kind of what's happening when that's

715
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,280
right into social media too. So I'm going to play

716
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,079
your second if I can actually do it. Okay, my

717
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:06,880
longtime watchers and listeners know how technically challenged I can

718
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,119
be solely.

719
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:10,199
Speaker 2: Good on the first one. You did really good on it.

720
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, here we go.

721
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 6: Seventy years they called us paranoid, told us to trust

722
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,000
the system, trust the science, trust our leaders, while they

723
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:31,519
buried the truth until investigative journalist Sarah Moore uncovered what

724
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:36,119
they never wanted us to see. On October seventeenth, twenty

725
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:41,480
twenty six, whistleblower Victoria Sterling stepped forward and proved every

726
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:47,719
conspiracy was real, every single bit of it. The suppressed cures, the.

727
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 8: Hidden energy technologies, the silenced inventors, the cures for diseases,

728
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,000
the answers to our greatest problems, all buried because those

729
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:00,519
in control.

730
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,159
Speaker 2: We needed to be managed.

731
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:06,639
Speaker 8: In nineteen fifty four, two alien species arrived.

732
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,559
Speaker 7: One offered partnership, the other offered power, power that elites

733
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:18,599
used to treat humanity like property. Forty seven trillion dollars missing,

734
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:25,119
seventy years of lies, control and engineered suffering finally exposed.

735
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 8: They say the truth will set us free?

736
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: Will it? The world erupted.

737
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,599
Speaker 8: People were terrified, turning to each other and on each other.

738
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 9: Economies imploded, institutions crumbled, and then, even with undeniable proof,

739
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,000
millions still refused to believe it.

740
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,599
Speaker 6: Decades of conditioning didn't just blind.

741
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,199
Speaker 9: People, It made them loyal to the very powers that

742
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,800
owned them. They defended their cages and their owners because

743
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,000
they believed their cages were freedom. What happens when we

744
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:05,119
learn our entire lives were manufactured? When the heroes we

745
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,119
trust it betrayed us, When those who were supposed to

746
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:15,360
serve us serve themselves, When we finally realized that wars, diseases,

747
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,880
and famines were engineered by those who profited from it all?

748
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,239
Can we survive the truth if we were never meant

749
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,039
to know about it?

750
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,639
Speaker 2: Some of you are ready to fight, some think were

751
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:30,440
the enemy, Some no longer know what to believe.

752
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 9: I understand for seventy years we were conditioned to mistake

753
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,440
slavery for freedom. But together we will make sure that

754
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,880
never happens again and build a bridge to a better

755
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,239
way of life with liberty, justice and freedom for all.

756
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:54,800
When all the conspiracies become reality, will the truth really

757
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,159
set us free? Hidden Powers, a new book by Sala

758
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,599
motto Ski.

759
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,159
Speaker 1: I don't know how I did that time. I can't

760
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,599
never tell I'm on the other side of the screen.

761
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:11,360
But yeah, pretty cool, interesting, and so much of that.

762
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,960
Parts of that I'm thinking, yeah, that could happen, and

763
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,679
that could happen.

764
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,599
Speaker 2: Look, the best stories do people. You can never run

765
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:21,079
out of something, right. All you got to do is

766
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:23,559
look what's going on in the world, use a little

767
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:29,079
imagination and write your own story. It's it's not rocket science.

768
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,000
You just you just have to make it make sense.

769
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,239
That's where the and you have to be able to structure.

770
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:39,400
I wanted to structure. And this thing really covers almost

771
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,880
one hundred years because it goes past everything too. But

772
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:51,880
it's everything that I hope and everything that I hope

773
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,599
people will look at and say I get that, I

774
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,639
understand that, or and it seems like what we're going

775
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:02,199
through today, because a lot of it is what we're

776
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,360
going through today. We're going through a lot of this

777
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,480
stuff today, and I just put it all together to

778
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,280
make a story because we are experiencing a lot of

779
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,079
this today where people choose sides for a team that's

780
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:18,320
not really theirs. Like we spoke about earlier, we don't

781
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,760
know a lot of things, and we just wish more

782
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,679
people were curious rather than being set and thinking they

783
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,760
know everything. Get a little curious, man. You might realize

784
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,639
that the person you hate it's probably a person you

785
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:33,199
should like. And maybe the person that you're humping their

786
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,000
leg and think they're wonderful, maybe you probably shouldn't like them.

787
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,840
Just takes a little digging to figure it out.

788
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: Now, you must have also thought about because a lot

789
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,440
of times when people are talking about disclosure, they think

790
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,599
it will disrupt things, and I personally don't. I think

791
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:58,199
it would be it would have to be something that

792
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,320
would be really harmful plasus be harmful to us before

793
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,880
there'd be a lot of disruption. But I think that

794
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000
there may be various religious beliefs in the world that

795
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:10,039
would have a problem with it. But I do think

796
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:13,079
that I don't think the world would collapse. I feel

797
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,639
like we're some people are saying we have a soft

798
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,840
disclosure now, and it's kind of getting people putting our

799
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,719
toe in the water and kind of getting people used

800
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,840
to the thought of it. So what is your thoughts

801
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,199
on all that.

802
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:27,519
Speaker 2: I think it's like, what do they call that managed descent?

803
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,559
It's being managed to think, based on my experiences with humans,

804
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:36,119
it seems like a managed descent. I could be wrong.

805
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:43,199
Don't know. However, I think that I think we would

806
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,840
go through a bit of a rough patch in certain areas,

807
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,039
a bit of it. It's possible, I don't know, but

808
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,559
some people may not just it may not react to

809
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,519
it very well. I don't think it's going to be

810
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:57,360
the end of the world. I think, like anything, you

811
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,800
got to go through the mud. So there's going to

812
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,400
be certain areas, in certain pockets where there's quicksand, and

813
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,119
we won't have a monopoly on that here in this country.

814
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,800
It'll occur in other countries. It could happen in New Zealand,

815
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,559
it'll happen in Australia, it could happen in Belarus, it

816
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,480
happen in Nepal. I don't know. But humans are finicky bunch.

817
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,880
As Marlon Braindall said in the formula, there are paradox

818
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,960
and a dangerous animal at times human beings.

819
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,199
Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned you worked on did you say you

820
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:29,079
worked on Wall Street?

821
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: On the I was, I was on a Wall Street

822
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,079
I was. I was a stockbroker years ago.

823
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:38,119
Speaker 1: So yeah, My question is, so would you think that

824
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:40,360
there would be a financial collapse?

825
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: It's an interesting you know, and Martin, I could flip

826
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,440
a coin on that one, I think. And initially you're

827
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,559
gonna have I think maybe what we used to call

828
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,679
those whip saws, you know, I think you're going to

829
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,159
see whip saws. If you're a day trader and you're

830
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:55,440
on the right side, you're gonna make a You're gonna

831
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,239
blow right past the elon musk of your long s

832
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,480
and P five hundred contracts. If you're way out the

833
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:05,840
money and then they've hit the money, you're going to

834
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,679
be by your own planet. I think you're gonna see

835
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,639
a lot of whips on, a lot of volatility, anything

836
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:19,559
that is earth shattering for lack of a better term, we'll.

837
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: Change the market.

838
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, and as a as a trader, and I

839
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,840
don't mean just like a date trader, but if you're

840
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,840
there's two kinds of investing. You invest for the long term,

841
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:33,760
there's a couple you invest for the long term. So

842
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,599
you don't care where you get in. That's silly to

843
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,719
You should always try to get in even on the dip.

844
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:40,320
You don't want to buy at the top. You want

845
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,920
to try and buy it a dip at a low end.

846
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,400
And if you do buy it too high. Then you

847
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,079
could come back in and you can dc dollar cost

848
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:48,719
to average your way in to lower your in your

849
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,800
purchase price. But then there's also date traders who are like, good,

850
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,159
I'm going to buy a thousand chares, I'm gonna buy

851
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,960
five hundred calls. I'm gonna try and make a teeny

852
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:00,920
out of each point. So if you make a few

853
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,239
thousand dollars a day, you're good. There's all kinds of

854
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:08,039
different ways that you can utilize the market for your benefit.

855
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,760
Most people look at it from the long term, especially

856
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,960
now that we're at the highs where around fifty two

857
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,760
thousand on the doll the smps and a record high,

858
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,239
so the four to one ks and the pension's got

859
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,119
to be in pretty good shape for people right now.

860
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:24,639
But if you get a story like that, you're going

861
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,880
to be all over yourself. You're a trader. It's gonna

862
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,519
be a whole man. I just want to get my

863
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:31,840
orders filled. If I could just get in and some

864
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,960
of it's to be great.

865
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. What I was just having a conversation

866
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,679
earlier with about money. It's something that we all agree on,

867
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:45,840
otherwise it wouldn't work. It's a strange concept how it all.

868
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,239
It's something we agree on, but it's not really a thing.

869
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:52,119
It's a bizarre it's a power of some kind that

870
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,679
we agree on. But anyway, this has been a real pleasure.

871
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:58,199
Your a book is link below and it's been a

872
00:48:58,199 --> 00:48:59,480
lot of fun to talk to you tonight.

873
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. The book will be out probably July or August.

874
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:05,719
You can find out more info on my website at

875
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,079
Salomodel dot com.

876
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,559
Speaker 1: Very good, all right, you take care now.

877
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:12,639
Speaker 2: Oh it was great to talk with you, Martin. This

878
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,920
is fun. I love those Is that neon behind you

879
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:15,679
the podcast?

880
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had that made in Australia.

881
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: That is super cool man. I like that. Thank you,

882
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:23,639
my friend. I appreciate you and thank you. Thank you.

883
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:26,519
Speaker 1: All right, you take care, all right, everyone, so don't forget.

884
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:32,119
We'll be back next Tuesday. And that's with Reese Dalton Morgan.

885
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,199
Sorry he's a three one of those three names from Australia.

886
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,800
It's a great interview. I did a pre record at

887
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,760
Contact in the Desert. You're gonna love it. It's a

888
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,480
really great be a really great show to watch. That's

889
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,519
Tuesday night at eight o'clock and then just watch our

890
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:49,159
YouTube channel, we'll have something or not. Maybe I might

891
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,000
just be able to run some clips on next Thursday

892
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,440
night and when I'll be up in Washington, DC at

893
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,280
the Disclosure Forum. So thanks again everyone, and we'll see

894
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,519
you next week. And don't forget to keep your eyes

895
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,320
to the sky.

896
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: Hm mm hmm