Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them.
Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 1: that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my
Speaker 1: head lights on, it turned and looked at us.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I remember the most, where
Speaker 2: the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 1: It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
Speaker 1: for me. And he begins to tell them that he
Speaker 1: saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 2: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 2: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 1: The top of the muzzle nose and the eyes.
Speaker 3: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,
Speaker 3: I don't like death.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Tenfoil Teals. I'm your host, Brandon Wright.
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Speaker 2: Tonight's episode, we're going to be joined by my guest, Jeanette.
Speaker 2: Jeanette is a local Indiana resident. She had a weird
Speaker 2: sighting back in two thousand and one involving a large
Speaker 2: canine creature, and then she also had a recent one
Speaker 2: here just a few weeks ago that happened to be
Speaker 2: on two legs. So I'm definitely looking forward to talking
Speaker 2: with her, especially when it comes into upright walking Canid's
Speaker 2: right up in my alley there for what I look into.
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Speaker 2: But now we're going to go ahead and bring Janet on.
Speaker 2: Definitely looking forward to talking with her, especially when it
Speaker 2: comes into the Indiana stuff. She's not too far away
Speaker 2: from where I'm at. It falls in line with what
Speaker 2: I've been recent searching and what I've been trying to
Speaker 2: make a documentary about. So definitely looking forward to talking
Speaker 2: to her, and I hope you guys enjoy our conversation.
Speaker 2: So sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I'd like
Speaker 2: to take this time to welcome my guest tonight, Jeanette.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on here and talking to me.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a pleasure. Thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 2: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 2: bit about yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a single mom. I have two sons, grown
Speaker 1: sons and live in Frankfort, Indiana, have two dogs, three casts.
Speaker 1: I'm a nurse by profession. I've been doing that for
Speaker 1: sixteen years. I guess prior to that, I was social worker.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of most recent recent history. I suppose
Speaker 1: that's about all I can think.
Speaker 2: That's fine, Okay. He reached out to me several months ago,
Speaker 2: and I've been we've been trying to get something set
Speaker 2: up here. But with you being local to Indiana, it
Speaker 2: really and not too far from where I'm at. I'm
Speaker 2: here in Miami County. It's really about maybe forty five
Speaker 2: minutes away from each other. But you had a very
Speaker 2: interesting accounter. That always when someone says they've seen upright
Speaker 2: walking canine, it always makes me want to listen because
Speaker 2: it's close home to me, because that is something that
Speaker 2: I've always been interested in. Now since i've had my experience,
Speaker 2: and for me, I've been looking into some of the
Speaker 2: things around here, a lot of the weird stuff that
Speaker 2: goes on around at least Miami County. Being in an
Speaker 2: adjacent county. It's not like these things are only in
Speaker 2: one area, right. I actually just talked to someone about
Speaker 2: a week and a half ago in Crawfordville, but they
Speaker 2: were from off Yete.
Speaker 1: And Crawfordsville is not far from me.
Speaker 2: Right, And they saw one in two thousand and six. Okay,
Speaker 2: they said it walked across the street and hopped over
Speaker 2: a guardrail.
Speaker 1: Wow, yep.
Speaker 2: I asked if they wanted to come on the show,
Speaker 2: but they didn't. Just not a whole lot to talk about.
Speaker 2: That's just kind of their thing. They didn't want to
Speaker 2: be out there. But she told me what happens. I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, well I appreciate that. So, but there's
Speaker 2: definitely a lot of those stories around here. So if
Speaker 2: you would like to begin with yours, you can go
Speaker 2: right ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll start with the older one.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: From what I say, it was around two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: And the reason I know that is because that was
Speaker 1: the year that I stopped doing social work. Is when
Speaker 1: I changed, you know, and I stayed home with my
Speaker 1: kids and for a few years, and my son at
Speaker 1: the time would have been a little over two years old.
Speaker 1: And we were driving early one morning, and I know
Speaker 1: it was some appointment associated with him, like a doctor's
Speaker 1: appointment or something. I can't remember the details of that,
Speaker 1: but we were out early one morning, driving from Frankfort
Speaker 1: to Lafayette, and that took me on the road that
Speaker 1: I took through through Mulberry. And as we were entering
Speaker 1: the town or coming close to the town, there were
Speaker 1: farm fields pretty much on both sides, but on the left,
Speaker 1: just on the edge of town was the new library
Speaker 1: that had been built for that town. And it was
Speaker 1: one of those misty spring morning where there's a lot
Speaker 1: of mist over the fields. I mean, it was clear,
Speaker 1: I could see on the roads. It wasn't like it
Speaker 1: was foggy, but there was that mist hanging over the
Speaker 1: fields one of those days. And as I approached Mulberry,
Speaker 1: on my right hand side, I saw a large creature
Speaker 1: eating roadkill, and it was so large that it made
Speaker 1: me slow down to get a good look at it.
Speaker 1: And the thing that struck me too was the ditch,
Speaker 1: you know, a ditch on the side of the road
Speaker 1: is fairly expansive, but it looked like its hindquarters were
Speaker 1: balanced on the far the side of the ditch, closer
Speaker 1: to the field, and its front was up by the road.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was huge. And I just slowed down
Speaker 1: and as I looked to my right, as I got closer,
Speaker 1: it lifted its head and it was a It looked
Speaker 1: like a wolf, and it had a huge maine, a
Speaker 1: lot of fur around its face. And it was just
Speaker 1: as I told you earlier. It was in I was
Speaker 1: in a bond of bill, so that gives you an
Speaker 1: idea of the window on the passenger side. It just
Speaker 1: looked like it could just fill that window with the
Speaker 1: size of its head. It was. It was massive. The
Speaker 1: first thing that went through my mind was I'm glad
Speaker 1: I'm in a car because I've got my son in
Speaker 1: the backseat. You know, I was. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: frightened in that sense, but not I mean, I knew
Speaker 1: I was safe because I was in a car. I
Speaker 1: could get away easily. But and just just I was
Speaker 1: more curious, dumbfounded, you know, what the heck is that?
Speaker 1: What could it be? And with the job that I
Speaker 1: did as in social work. I interacted with a local
Speaker 1: law enforcement and later on, like a week later or so,
Speaker 1: I was in a meeting with the deputy share for
Speaker 1: that town and I asked him if he knew if
Speaker 1: there were wolves around Mulberry. His response was no, you know,
Speaker 1: asked me why I asked that question. I told him
Speaker 1: what I saw and he said, you know, you probably
Speaker 1: saw a coyote. And I said, no, I know what
Speaker 1: a coyote looks like. This was way bigger than a coyote.
Speaker 1: Coyotes aren't that big. You know, I have a standard
Speaker 1: poodle who's seventy five pounds, which is probably the size
Speaker 1: of a large coyote. You know, this animal is huge.
Speaker 1: So and I've wondered about that for years, but of
Speaker 1: course you put it out of your mind as time
Speaker 1: goes by. That was several years ago. But and then
Speaker 1: in recent years when I've heard things about dog men,
Speaker 1: I've often wondered if that's what I actually saw. So
Speaker 1: that's that encounter. And then here recently, I was walking
Speaker 1: my dogs. I have another small dog here in Frankfurt,
Speaker 1: and a few blocks from my house, I was at
Speaker 1: a fairly large corner of streets that go into a neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And I was walking away from the corner towards my
Speaker 1: house and a car was going by the other way,
Speaker 1: and as it hit that intersection, it you know, it's
Speaker 1: a stop sign, but it slammed on its brakes suddenly,
Speaker 1: and it made me turn around. And when I looked,
Speaker 1: I saw what looked like a dog on upright running
Speaker 1: across the street, and more of a silhouette. There was
Speaker 1: there was a light there, but it still was late
Speaker 1: at night. I walked the dogs by myself, late at night.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. But you know, this was
Speaker 1: not a human. That car slammed on its breaks for
Speaker 1: a reason, and it had the the hawks of dog legs.
Speaker 1: And as I told you earlier the city, you know,
Speaker 1: what went through my mind was the image of the
Speaker 1: werewolf and Harry Potter, that same stance, the same curve
Speaker 1: of the upper the like the hunching look of the
Speaker 1: upper back, and the hawks of the legs, and and
Speaker 1: it was it ran across that street very quickly, but
Speaker 1: I saw it. And this thing that interested me too
Speaker 1: was my dogs. If they see something, they bark, If
Speaker 1: they see another person at they bark. They were silent.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like they weren't going to draw any
Speaker 1: attention to themselves as me myself, I was just you know,
Speaker 1: I was silent too, and I just as soon as
Speaker 1: I turned, as soon as it passed, I grabbed my
Speaker 1: dogs as that were going home and we hustled home.
Speaker 1: So you know, there's something out there. But that's basically
Speaker 1: my experiences in a nutshell.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask a couple of questions about
Speaker 2: the first one and then we can talk about the
Speaker 2: second one.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: The first one, you said you.
Speaker 1: Saw it eating, Yes, I did.
Speaker 2: Could you tell what it was actually eating? What the
Speaker 2: actual roadkill was?
Speaker 1: You know, I could. I didn't get enough look at that,
Speaker 1: and I just I just know it was large enough
Speaker 1: that it wasn't. I mean, we see, we have a
Speaker 1: lot of raccoons.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: You know, could be any it could be a possum.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it did. When it brought its
Speaker 1: head up, there was blood in and I saw its
Speaker 1: teeth and those were not coyote teeth. I can tell
Speaker 1: you that that was startling. It's like, oh my god, you.
Speaker 2: Know, what side of the road was it on when
Speaker 2: you were driving? Was it on your passenger side, of
Speaker 2: your driver's side side.
Speaker 1: It was on my right hand side.
Speaker 2: So what did to do when you drove past it?
Speaker 1: It brought its head up because I was going to
Speaker 1: at that point.
Speaker 2: It didn't try and run off or anything, so it
Speaker 2: wasn't even afraid.
Speaker 1: No, I just looked right at me. It brought its
Speaker 1: head up and looked in my window. I mean it
Speaker 1: was big enough that I was looking in my window
Speaker 1: and that was like WHOA for me.
Speaker 2: I think if it was a normal coyote type of
Speaker 2: an animal, it would have ran off scared at the lights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was totally on it. It was unfettered by me.
Speaker 1: Didn't care.
Speaker 2: It just you know, I've heard from several people that
Speaker 2: these things actually don't eat. But then I've heard it's
Speaker 2: just like what you just told me that there's been
Speaker 2: times they've been seen eating roadkills. So what is it.
Speaker 2: Do they eat things or they don't eat things? Why
Speaker 2: were they pretending to eat things if they're not actually
Speaker 2: eating it.
Speaker 1: I've heard that too, And because in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, as I've told you, I've listened to some
Speaker 1: other podcast about it, and that's when it kind of
Speaker 1: confirmed that what I saw was not normal. There you know,
Speaker 1: there is a basis for it. And yes, I've heard
Speaker 1: people say that they don't eat, that there's some kind
Speaker 1: of ethereal thing. Now I think they're flesh and blood
Speaker 1: and they're going to eat. Yeah, I'm sure they eat.
Speaker 1: Of course they do. You know I'm not. And I've
Speaker 1: heard people say, oh, I have a spiritual connection. I've
Speaker 1: heard podcasts where people say, yeah, I have a spiritual
Speaker 1: connection with these animals. I feel totally safe around them.
Speaker 1: I don't take that very seriously. If I encountered one
Speaker 1: of these face to face and I wasn't in a
Speaker 1: car knowing I could get away, you can better believe
Speaker 1: I'm going to be intimidated and afraid. You know.
Speaker 2: That's the thing I think they other people say they
Speaker 2: want too, And that's what I've been told about some
Speaker 2: of my stuff, is they want that fear because that's
Speaker 2: what they actually feed on.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, I've heard stuff.
Speaker 2: Where people claim that these things have on their windows
Speaker 2: and they've done the whole mind speak stuff to them,
Speaker 2: which is very reminiscent of what you hear with sasquatch
Speaker 2: people when they've had encounters too.
Speaker 1: That could be that could be. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't deny that, but I'm not going to you know,
Speaker 1: just yeah, I'm not going to go out looking for them.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I encounter them, you know, uh, or
Speaker 1: I've had had these sightings and people. You know, you're
Speaker 1: probably going to be more likely to see them if
Speaker 1: you're out in the country a lot, out in the
Speaker 1: woods a lot. But you know, they come into town,
Speaker 1: you know, I think they do. I mean I think
Speaker 1: I saw one this one. Last one I saw was
Speaker 1: late September. I think maybe mid to late September. It
Speaker 1: was pretty recent, and uh, you know, there's nothing to
Speaker 1: stop him from coming into towns. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: wooded areas all around Frankfurt, so it very could very
Speaker 1: easily happen. But yeah, I'm not going to go out
Speaker 1: looking for them.
Speaker 2: No, That's what I'm about to start doing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well i'd be prepared if I did. But
Speaker 1: you know, you hear about two people that go hunting them,
Speaker 1: trying to kill them. Yeah, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm curious as to why you're hearing more about them.
Speaker 1: It seems like more people see them. It's kind of comforting.
Speaker 1: To me because you know, I just kind of blew
Speaker 1: it off over the years. I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 1: nobody seems to know anything about this or telling me
Speaker 1: it's a coyote. I don't believe that. I know coyotes
Speaker 1: aren't that big, but.
Speaker 2: Do you happen to get a good look at its
Speaker 2: paws or anything, or just basically.
Speaker 1: The face, just the face. I mean it was, you know,
Speaker 1: busy eating. I didn't see it. Just what I did
Speaker 1: see was the huge body. I mean, the fact that
Speaker 1: it could extend its body over the ditch like that.
Speaker 2: Did it have a title?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't remember. It probably did, but I didn't
Speaker 1: see the details of it.
Speaker 2: That's the other weird thing that I've noticed. If you
Speaker 2: hear a lot of people's like encounters stories, they claim
Speaker 2: that it didn't have a tail, which I.
Speaker 1: Heard that too, Yeah, but then there's people that say
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: Right. The thing I saw how a big bushy tail,
Speaker 2: which I didn't know at the time that was a
Speaker 2: thing that they didn't have tails. But I was like,
Speaker 2: well this did.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's more than one sort of I
Speaker 2: guess dog man. I don't like saying dog man, to
Speaker 2: be honest, but that is basically what they've.
Speaker 1: Been called, but they've been pegged to be. Yeah, right, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably there probably is. It seems like there's some that
Speaker 1: are furry and some that aren't so furry. Like the
Speaker 1: one that I saw, you know, back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. It had a lot of fur around its
Speaker 1: head and you know neck, it was very furry, a
Speaker 1: lot or a lot of hair, but if you will,
Speaker 1: you know very it was very thick and full and
Speaker 1: hair and it's kind of up on the back of
Speaker 1: its head too. I mean I saw that as I
Speaker 1: approached it, that it had like the main kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And then but the one I saw in September of
Speaker 1: this year was not so much. I didn't see a
Speaker 1: lot of fur around it, so, you know, it was
Speaker 1: just a silhouette. It was more like it like the
Speaker 1: thing you saw on Harry Pop or the werewolf. It
Speaker 1: was kind of almost like it had been shaved, you know,
Speaker 1: but the silhouette and the stance of the legs, that
Speaker 1: was not a human, you know, And I feel validated too.
Speaker 1: But but by the fact that that car slammed on
Speaker 1: its brakes, it's like it had it had gone past
Speaker 1: the stop sign. You know, it stopped and then as
Speaker 1: it took off or started to drive, it saw this
Speaker 1: thing like I did, and it slammed on its brakes
Speaker 1: enough that I heard the slamming of the brakes and
Speaker 1: you know, to not hit it. And also they probably
Speaker 1: were like, what the heck is that? You know like
Speaker 1: I like I did. But you know, one of the
Speaker 1: stories that interests me that I, you know, I saw,
Speaker 1: I am more inclined to think that there's some type
Speaker 1: of experimentation going on with these creatures, like mutation mutations.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because one of the encounters I listened
Speaker 1: to and I've listened to this one probably three times
Speaker 1: because I'm so fascinated by what this person saw when
Speaker 1: he the guy was driving through Joshua Tree in California
Speaker 1: and he saw like a group of them literally running
Speaker 1: information through that part in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: And you know, his description of them is pretty diverse.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like a bunch of them, and
Speaker 1: you know, and there's a lot of that. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of strange things that go, strange things that go
Speaker 1: on in California with government experiments, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I listened, I listened to a lot of things about
Speaker 1: that too, So that kind of made me one that
Speaker 1: I often think that it's products of experimentation with animals
Speaker 1: and mutations genetically. I would say that's a plausible thing
Speaker 1: going on in our world today. Why, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, it.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't really surprise me one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The thing with me though, is there's been reports from
Speaker 2: these things for thousands of.
Speaker 1: Years, true, which that kind of negates that. Yeah, yeah, trials. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the ancient Egyptians had a god that was Anubis,
Speaker 2: but he was basically a jackal headed person.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, And there's.
Speaker 2: Been stories of there was supposedly a tribe of these
Speaker 2: things somewhere I think home if it was India or
Speaker 2: somewhere in that area, but it was over somewhere on
Speaker 2: the other continent.
Speaker 1: Well I've never heard of that. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: There was a tribe of them, Huh. Again, I don't
Speaker 2: know if any of this stuff is real when it
Speaker 2: comes to like the old stories or whatever. But that's
Speaker 2: just stuff that I've come across trying to dig up stuff.
Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, and there's certainly a lot of people having
Speaker 1: some pretty interesting I mean, people are seeing them, and
Speaker 1: that's you know, that was it was, like I said,
Speaker 1: a comfort to me when I first encountered some of
Speaker 1: the podcasts, not yours, but I've heard some of yours recently.
Speaker 1: But are some stuff from you. I think I heard
Speaker 1: you interviewed on something. Possibly. I can't remember how I
Speaker 1: first encountered you, but I've listened to dog Man Encounters,
Speaker 1: and I've listened to the things people the stories people
Speaker 1: tell and their experiences. People are seeing these more and more,
Speaker 1: and at least or at least they're feeling more comfortable
Speaker 1: talking about it, you know, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: get poohooed. You didn't see that, you know, you're imagining things.
Speaker 1: Fortunately I have family that doesn't do that to me.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's there's something going on out there.
Speaker 1: And like the same with Sasquatch, you know. And I
Speaker 1: grew up in Missouri, and in Missouri it was they
Speaker 1: called sasquatch Momo the monster. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: ever heard of that, but people talked about it all
Speaker 1: the time, you know. And my my my father's family
Speaker 1: was from the Appalachians, and I spent a good part
Speaker 1: of my childhood there, spent summers there a lot parts
Speaker 1: of my summers, and you know, and that was out
Speaker 1: in the mountains. And I remember my father saying, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to go out in those mountains, spend
Speaker 1: too much time in those mountains at night because alone,
Speaker 1: because there's things out there you don't want to encounter
Speaker 1: by yourself. It was just kind of a given you.
Speaker 1: You just don't do that unless you know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: So but you know, so I don't. I don't discount
Speaker 1: people's experiences and what's out there.
Speaker 2: So I try and remain somewhat skeptical because I think
Speaker 2: I have to in order to keep some sort of balance,
Speaker 2: m right, because there's always going to be people out
Speaker 2: there that want to just make stuff up, and I
Speaker 2: don't understand the desire to do that.
Speaker 3: Either.
Speaker 2: It ruins it for people that actually have real experiences,
Speaker 2: I think. But again, there's no way of detecting someone
Speaker 2: that's real or sincere or whatever. But I think majority
Speaker 2: of the people I talk with I try to give
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt, right, And I've been doing
Speaker 2: a lot of research here, I say quote unquote research,
Speaker 2: but I've been trying to find people around my area
Speaker 2: that have had experiences. And I actually was talking to
Speaker 2: someone yesterday and they were fishing along the Walbash River
Speaker 2: east of Peru, and this was back in two thousand
Speaker 2: and twenty two, so two years ago actually long they
Speaker 2: heard some sound like coyotes ship and then they heard
Speaker 2: a very loud, deep howl type thing and their dogs
Speaker 2: kind of like freaked out by it. And he said,
Speaker 2: the hairstood up on the back of his neck. And
Speaker 2: then as they were walking back. He actually has photos
Speaker 2: and stilt to me, he's got his normal dog's footprint,
Speaker 2: which is a sixty pound dog that he had, a husky,
Speaker 2: and then there's another large print next to it, and
Speaker 2: a large print is a lot bigger than the husky print. Wow,
Speaker 2: he said. The thing that about it to him that
Speaker 2: was odd is it appeared to be just a set
Speaker 2: of footprints walking, not for footprints, but just two. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So he's not necessarily a dog man or something like
Speaker 2: that type believer per se or looked into stuff like that,
Speaker 2: Like he just was out fishing and heard something and
Speaker 2: came across though, So that's kind of got what like
Speaker 2: he started looking into kind of things too, because he
Speaker 2: doesn't know what would have made that. He doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: believe dog Man are real, but he doesn't understand why
Speaker 2: the tracks of that in the tracks. Like I said,
Speaker 2: the photos are really.
Speaker 1: Big but right for.
Speaker 2: Me, the interesting part about this is the location he
Speaker 2: sent me. At the location of where it happened. Just
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks later, not even like a mile away,
Speaker 2: someone reported seeing a bigfoot. I said, I wonder if
Speaker 2: they actually saw a big foot or if they saw
Speaker 2: whatever this thing was, because it's literally like maybe a
Speaker 2: two week time frame right literally right in the same area.
Speaker 2: While I've also been digging into things and it seems
Speaker 2: to be I've pinpointed the exact location to two different
Speaker 2: people have had encounters what they claim when it were werewolves.
Speaker 2: So I have that mapped out, actually have an X
Speaker 2: on it on my map here. And I know someone
Speaker 2: else that lives in the area and they have weird
Speaker 2: stuff happening around their place where they at least feel
Speaker 2: like there's something weird, and they're in that same general area,
Speaker 2: and there's also been bigfoot sightings in that area. So
Speaker 2: for some reason, this little area, it's basically where the
Speaker 2: Walbash River and the Mississina Wall River connect.
Speaker 1: Well, and that makes sense. I mean it's a water
Speaker 1: sores and you know it's a good place for animals
Speaker 1: like that, and if there is a lot of wooded
Speaker 1: areas around there mm hm as well, it's easy for
Speaker 1: them to hang out if you.
Speaker 2: Fall, if you follow the river, the Mississinewa River up
Speaker 2: to the dam because we have the missus Sinewa Reservoir.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: There is an area through there called Oki Panoki and
Speaker 2: a lot of people had weird experiences out there too,
Speaker 2: and not so much like with dog man type things,
Speaker 2: but there's been reports of bigfoot and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of like weird paranormal supernatural stuff that go on out
Speaker 2: there right right, So it's like this whole little area
Speaker 2: has a lot of high strangeness activity going on. There's
Speaker 2: been someone send me a UFO video back in June
Speaker 2: over the same exact location of where I've put this.
Speaker 1: X at interesting and I've seen UFOs too. It's funny.
Speaker 1: I've seen those in believe it or not, in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: I'm always in Indianapolis when I see them.
Speaker 2: There was some in Frankfort about a month ago. Did
Speaker 2: you happen to see those? There was three orbs there
Speaker 2: was three orbs came from Frankfurt area up through Cocomo
Speaker 2: through my area. There was three orange orbs. There's two
Speaker 2: sets of them. There's actually six lights that were flying
Speaker 2: in a pattern.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I saw several different videos. My sister in law and
Speaker 2: my niece saw it that she actually called my wife
Speaker 2: to tell her about it, to tell me that my
Speaker 2: aunt and uncle were out trying to videotape it. My
Speaker 2: other uncle actually saw it, didn't realize what it was.
Speaker 2: So I know several family members obviously that have seen it.
Speaker 2: And that was I think it was October seventh, so
Speaker 2: not very far or not very long back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I've seen orbs, but like I said,
Speaker 1: I was always over in Indianapolis. I was driving in
Speaker 1: Indianapolis and i'd see it, and of course you're in
Speaker 1: the interstate and you can't you can't stop take a picture,
Speaker 1: and but i'd see them, you know, and they hang
Speaker 1: in the sky and they The one I saw that
Speaker 1: was most striking was it was a big it was
Speaker 1: a larger orb and then it kind of split into
Speaker 1: like four or five and then the one, the original
Speaker 1: one kind of sat just sat there, and the other
Speaker 1: ones that split off it just kind of went around it,
Speaker 1: and then they all came together again and it took off,
Speaker 1: and I was it was as I was driving on
Speaker 1: sixty five and just coming off. You know, you drive
Speaker 1: down sixty five into Indie and it's the exit, you know,
Speaker 1: you either go on to four sixty five and you
Speaker 1: stay on sixty five into the city, right. And that's
Speaker 1: because I used to work at Methodist Hospital and that's
Speaker 1: exactly how you go in. And I'm driving along there
Speaker 1: and I see all those see it up in the
Speaker 1: sky and I worked nights there, but I was going
Speaker 1: in for like a training, so it was daytime and
Speaker 1: I I can't believe I'm seeing this, you know. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wish I could talk to the other drivers,
Speaker 1: you know, do you see this? Do you see that?
Speaker 1: But of course you can't do that, can't take a picture.
Speaker 1: And it's very distinctive. And I've seen that happen twice.
Speaker 1: And then I coming out of Indianapolis one evening. I'm
Speaker 1: a yoga instructor or you know, I was. I'm not
Speaker 1: active now, but I was doing a training for my
Speaker 1: yoga certification and I was coming out of Indianapolis on
Speaker 1: Michigan Road at night. The training was an evening event,
Speaker 1: and I was coming home. It was dark, and it
Speaker 1: was near the Art Museum. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know how Indianapolis laid out. There's like a university there,
Speaker 1: a religious university. I can't remember what it's called, but
Speaker 1: it's right across the museum on thirty hour Michigan Road.
Speaker 1: And I was a little waist down the road and
Speaker 1: there's kind of a spot where there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of buildings, it's a lot of trees, and I'm driving
Speaker 1: along and there was and it was a clear night.
Speaker 1: I could see the stars. It wasn't it wasn't real
Speaker 1: cloudy or anything. But then all of a sudden, it
Speaker 1: was very very dark, and I looked. I looked out
Speaker 1: my window and looked, you know, like through my front window,
Speaker 1: and it was like the sky just had disappeared. And
Speaker 1: then and then I saw the lights like on a train.
Speaker 1: It was a triangle, and the lights on the points
Speaker 1: of a triangle lit up, and it was just hovering
Speaker 1: above me. And then it slowly took off and then
Speaker 1: it was gone. And then I saw the stars again.
Speaker 1: I thought, this is so weird, you know, and I couldn't,
Speaker 1: you know, what can you do? It's dark. I can't
Speaker 1: to know way I'm going to get a picture of this.
Speaker 1: And you know, I wasn't going to stop my car.
Speaker 1: It was enough because I thought about it. I thought,
Speaker 1: should I stop my car and get a good look
Speaker 1: at this? But it really was no place for me
Speaker 1: to stop. But there was no turn offs or anything
Speaker 1: on that little stretch right before you get to where
Speaker 1: the businesses and shopping areas are not shopping areas but
Speaker 1: you know, strips of stores and stuff. Then it's more lit.
Speaker 1: But I know what I So I've seen those things,
Speaker 1: you know, and so I don't you know, when people
Speaker 1: tell me things that they've seen, I don't discount them,
Speaker 1: but I don't. Yeah, I don't really talk about it
Speaker 1: too many people. I've told my kids and they believe me,
Speaker 1: you know, they think it's interesting. But yeah, something's definitely
Speaker 1: out there. And as far as you know, people will say, well,
Speaker 1: like with Sasquatch, well why hasn't somebody seen it? You
Speaker 1: think we'd see them more. Well, they're not going to
Speaker 1: come into They're not going to make themselves visible that much.
Speaker 1: It seems. My impression of the dog men or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call them. They seem intelligent. So they're
Speaker 1: not going to show up in town in broad daylight.
Speaker 1: They're going to show up in town at night or
Speaker 1: if they come into town for whatever reason, like little
Speaker 1: towns like mine's a small town, they're going to they're
Speaker 1: not going to like make themselves known in broad daylight.
Speaker 1: And they're going to live in the woods. And when
Speaker 1: you think of the number of people, very few people
Speaker 1: really go into the woods two do whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: they might hunters go out into the woods. Uh, of course,
Speaker 1: fishermen like you're you know the man you talk who
Speaker 1: went fishing, But we don't really get out into the
Speaker 1: woods much. You know, I did as a kid growing
Speaker 1: up in Missouri. I was in the woods all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean we lived you know, the woods were the wooded,
Speaker 1: lots of woods. That was my backyard. You know. I
Speaker 1: walked out and I went hiking to the creek and
Speaker 1: I was out there all the time as a kid.
Speaker 1: But here, you know, and you go to your day
Speaker 1: to day life. You go to work, you do what
Speaker 1: you do. You know, you take care of your house,
Speaker 1: your you have children, you know, your pets. Whatever. You're
Speaker 1: not getting out into the woods. Very few of us
Speaker 1: really do that, but so we don't see what's going
Speaker 1: on out there. You know. It's like my dad told me,
Speaker 1: in the mountains of North Carolina, you don't go out
Speaker 1: in those woods at night unless you know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and you know, you just don't go out alone. There's
Speaker 1: things out there you don't want to encounter.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: That's probably what he was talking about. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's their place. It's not necessarily where we hang out,
Speaker 1: not in our modern society anyway.
Speaker 2: So I've noticed there's been a correlation with people that
Speaker 2: have had encounters with a bigfoot or a dog man
Speaker 2: or a crypti or whatever. They've usually had an experience
Speaker 2: with a UFO. They've usually seen a UFO.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've seen them.
Speaker 2: They've also typically had some weird paranormal supernatural encounter. It's
Speaker 2: almost as if once you have one experience, it makes
Speaker 2: you open to more. And I don't know what the
Speaker 2: one is that actually triggers it, but there's one that
Speaker 2: always stands out that makes you start noticing. Because I
Speaker 2: think we all have experiences throughout lives, but for the
Speaker 2: most part, I think we all just typically ignore them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you ignore them, or you rationalize them. You know,
Speaker 1: you reason that reason them out of your mind. M
Speaker 1: are you just you don't want to. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people, just if they do have experiences, they
Speaker 1: don't They're afraid to talk about it. They're afraid to
Speaker 1: be afraid of being belittled by others. I think that's
Speaker 1: an issue. And they also they don't want to believe
Speaker 1: it themselves. It's easier just to negate it. However you
Speaker 1: go about negating it, you just do that, you know.
Speaker 1: And like the first time I saw that which I
Speaker 1: now would call a dog man, At the time, I
Speaker 1: didn't know what to call it. I just called it
Speaker 1: a big wolf. But now that I've heard more about this,
Speaker 1: you know, other people encountering things like this, so I
Speaker 1: do see, I must have it has to have been
Speaker 1: a dogment. It was not a wolf, and it was
Speaker 1: it was too it wasn't it was way too big,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's you know, I believe what I saw.
Speaker 1: But at this for all those years though, I just thought,
Speaker 1: well maybe I you know, I just didn't know what
Speaker 1: it was. I just I didn't know what I couldn't
Speaker 1: get validation of any type. So I just kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: I saw something, and I just kind of went about
Speaker 1: your lot in my life.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to rationalize when you're seeing something
Speaker 2: like that and you don't, Yeah, your mind doesn't go
Speaker 2: right to the fact that this is something weird. Even
Speaker 2: if it is weird, and you know it's weird, you
Speaker 2: try and write it off as being.
Speaker 1: Normal, right right there, Yeah, even.
Speaker 2: When your normal explanation is worse than just admitting the
Speaker 2: news a something weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I saw something that was not a wolf,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I've heard of more, you know,
Speaker 1: the normal wolves are becoming more you know, prevalent in
Speaker 1: our country. So but I hadn't. That was my question
Speaker 1: to that law enforcement officer, we are we having or
Speaker 1: do we have wolves coming into Indiana now? And he said,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no. I told him what I saw
Speaker 1: and he said, oh, you just saw coyote. Well, like
Speaker 1: I said, that was no coyote. The color was wrong,
Speaker 1: the size was wrong. I mean, coyote is just looks
Speaker 1: like leggy dogs. You know, they're not that big.
Speaker 2: No, they're not even Like I have a golden doodle
Speaker 2: that's a puppy. He's about six months old. And then
Speaker 2: I have an all white German Shepherd. She's four years old.
Speaker 2: I think she's a pretty big dog, right, But I
Speaker 2: saw a coyote dead on the side of the road
Speaker 2: the other day, m h. And I'm like, they're not
Speaker 2: as big as you think they are.
Speaker 1: They're not that big. No, no, I mean I think
Speaker 1: that the biggest they get is about seventy five pounds,
Speaker 1: and my standard poodle is seventy five pounds, and that's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good sized dog. But you know,
Speaker 1: and I've had bigger dogs than him, but I've always
Speaker 1: had big dogs. But you know, that's a big coyote.
Speaker 1: A seventy five pound coyote is a big coyote. They're
Speaker 1: usually not that big. I actually kind of looked into that.
Speaker 1: I mean, they usually top out it about sixty pounds.
Speaker 1: They're not that not that big, and they're leggy and
Speaker 1: scrawny looking.
Speaker 2: Wolves are actually bigger.
Speaker 1: But right.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say there aren't wolves around here,
Speaker 2: because I know for sure that people do have hybrids.
Speaker 2: Well doesn't mean why of them hasn't gotten out, but true,
Speaker 2: I still don't think the size of a hybrid or
Speaker 2: a full on wolf would be big enough for some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that people have told me about.
Speaker 1: Oh. No, I've lived in different parts of the country.
Speaker 1: I've been in Indiana for about twenty well twenty five,
Speaker 1: twenty six years, since my oldest son was born here.
Speaker 1: But I also lived in upstate New York for a
Speaker 1: while and a friend of mine had a hybrid shepherd wolf,
Speaker 1: beautiful dog, and he was big, but he wasn't as
Speaker 1: big as what I saw, not nearly as big. This
Speaker 1: was a large animal, you know, the fact that its
Speaker 1: body could it be, could extend the distance that it did,
Speaker 1: the way it balanced itself over that day as it
Speaker 1: was eating. I mean, it was huge. It was huge
Speaker 1: enough to me if that had been just a dog
Speaker 1: on the side of a road, or just even a
Speaker 1: regular sized wolf, I probably would have been startled by
Speaker 1: a wolf being there, but I wouldn't have slowed down.
Speaker 1: I mean, it made me slow down, you know what
Speaker 1: am I seeing? I wanted to get a good look
Speaker 1: at it, but I wasn't going to stop. I mean,
Speaker 1: I had a child in the backseat. I wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have put I didn't want to put myself
Speaker 1: in danger, you know, but it didn't. It didn't run off,
Speaker 1: you know, a coyote. If it was a coyote, coyote
Speaker 1: probably would have run off.
Speaker 2: What I would think too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this just reared its head up and looked at me.
Speaker 1: You know, like this is just completely unfazed by me
Speaker 1: slowing down looking at it. But it was striking at
Speaker 1: the time, you know.
Speaker 2: So the most recent one was about a month or
Speaker 2: so ago. You said another vehicle had to have seen it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the drive they had to have seen it.
Speaker 2: Because you said they hit their brakes.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, there's a stop sign there. It's a four
Speaker 1: way stop, but it's it's like a lar it's a
Speaker 1: it's an odd the road's coming to it. They one
Speaker 1: comes at an angle, so it's kind of a wide space,
Speaker 1: you know that you do if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's not just a solid ninety degree angles. So there's
Speaker 1: it's four roads coming together, but one. Like the fact
Speaker 1: that one comes at an angle, it makes it like
Speaker 1: a bigger intersection. So you stop, you're stopping aways That
Speaker 1: car stopped. I think I think it stopped, is my feeling,
Speaker 1: because it slammed on its brakes. It was in the
Speaker 1: middle of the intersection and it, you know, started up
Speaker 1: and then stop suddenly to the point that I heard
Speaker 1: it stop, turn around and saw that creature run across
Speaker 1: that intersection in that silhouette look with the street lights,
Speaker 1: you know. And like I said, it wasn't a human.
Speaker 1: That was no human. How tall humans don't have legs
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: How tall do you think it was?
Speaker 1: I would say, I'd say, I mean, if I put
Speaker 1: a man, and that's probably a six foot man as
Speaker 1: a reference, I would say seven feet.
Speaker 2: I was trying to think. You said the legs and
Speaker 2: everything were not a person, but no, I've tried to
Speaker 2: rationalize the thing that I had seen as someone on
Speaker 2: a werewolf costume before, because.
Speaker 1: And they had the end and also the arms were
Speaker 1: really long, okay, you know, they were like hanging down,
Speaker 1: and it was hunched that hunched over, you know, like
Speaker 1: like the character in Harry Potter when he turns into
Speaker 1: the wear he has that hunched over look when he
Speaker 1: stands over his behind legs. And it ran very and
Speaker 1: it scaled that intersection very quickly. But I got a
Speaker 1: good look at it, a good look of the silhouette
Speaker 1: of it running, and you know, and I noticed immediately that, Gee,
Speaker 1: my dogs aren't barking at this. This is not normal.
Speaker 1: They're staying quiet, you know.
Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact time frame. I actually believe
Speaker 2: this was in the eighties, but someone had come up
Speaker 2: to one of the events that I was speaking at
Speaker 2: and they were talking to me and they said that
Speaker 2: it was down off of the Highway eighteen. You're twenty eight,
Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure they said it was an all
Speaker 2: white both run across the road on two legs. Interesting
Speaker 2: for me, that's like, you don't hear all white too often.
Speaker 2: I had an episode recently about a female that was
Speaker 2: supposed to be all white. But that's an interesting story.
Speaker 2: We'll just leave it at that one. But the I said,
Speaker 2: I've talked to several people here since I've been trying
Speaker 2: to find more information regarding this in the surrounding areas.
Speaker 2: I went to a couple of different events where I've
Speaker 2: spoke about this to try and see if others would
Speaker 2: come up and talk about it, because there is a
Speaker 2: lot of weird stuff that goes on around here, and
Speaker 2: for some reason, I was just as guilty. But no
Speaker 2: one wants to talk about it, right right. I know,
Speaker 2: there's the stigma to it. I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well people think, you know, people just want to
Speaker 1: blow off things they don't understand. And I'm more curious,
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, I know there's more out there
Speaker 1: than there's things out there we don't know about. The
Speaker 1: World's a big place. I mean, like there's things down
Speaker 1: in the ocean that we have no clue about because nobody,
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know it's down there. Same in
Speaker 1: the sky. I mean it's you know, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: My viewpoint is like a friend of mine put it
Speaker 1: one time. You know, people say you have to prove
Speaker 1: it's real. We'll prove it's not real. Right. It's just
Speaker 1: as hard to do either way. You know, you can't
Speaker 1: if somebody says they experienced something, I believe them. You know,
Speaker 1: why would you. You're not going to get anything from
Speaker 1: lying about it or making things So I guess people
Speaker 1: get attention for making things up. But you know, uh,
Speaker 1: I just keep an open mind. I guess about other
Speaker 1: what people tell me, and try to keep an open
Speaker 1: mind about my experiences. But I'm the first one to
Speaker 1: sit there and rationalize. I thought, oh, there has to
Speaker 1: be a logical explanation, kind of thing. But there was
Speaker 1: no There was no logic that it can explain what
Speaker 1: I saw in two thousand and one. It just, you know,
Speaker 1: that was it was no coyote, and it was bigger.
Speaker 1: That was an awful big wolf. And the way that
Speaker 1: it's it was like balancing itself, and it was so
Speaker 1: you know, its body was the length of that ditch
Speaker 1: and as long as the width of that ditch. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty big space between you know, balancing
Speaker 1: on the edge of that field and getting up to
Speaker 1: that roadkill on the side of the road like that,
Speaker 1: and it was just eating. And the fact that it
Speaker 1: didn't run like you said, it didn't run or I said,
Speaker 1: it didn't run off when I slowed down. It just
Speaker 1: it was completely unintimidated by me. Most animals will run
Speaker 1: off when a car slows down nearby or even goes by.
Speaker 1: Didn't do that, So.
Speaker 2: It's almost as if it wasn't afraid. It had no
Speaker 2: reason to be afraid.
Speaker 1: No, it's not intimidated by me at all. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think so at all.
Speaker 2: Which in itself is strange. But I talked to a
Speaker 2: lady back in the summer, and she was from southern Indiana,
Speaker 2: and she had said that she had seen hey werewolf
Speaker 2: drinking from a fountain.
Speaker 1: Oh, for heaven's sakes, that would be something.
Speaker 2: It was drinking the water up out of one of
Speaker 2: someone's yard fountain.
Speaker 1: Wow. Interesting. So it was in somebody's yard.
Speaker 2: It was either in a yard or a park. But
Speaker 2: they drove by her and her husband I think drove
Speaker 2: by it or boyfriend or whatever it was at the time,
Speaker 2: and they turned around I think, went back and it
Speaker 2: was still there.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So and I think they both saw it. It's weird
Speaker 2: again when you there's been so many different versions of
Speaker 2: stories and everything about these things having some sort of
Speaker 2: supernatural abilities or not flesh and blood. They're not here.
Speaker 2: But then why are they eating? Someone says they don't
Speaker 2: actually eat, They just make it themselves, see like they do.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, that doesn't make any source of
Speaker 2: why would you pretend to be eating?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, why would you pretend to be eating?
Speaker 1: And also why can't they just be flesh and blood?
Speaker 1: Why do they have to be something ethereal or esoteric?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I think that goes back to the fact that there's
Speaker 2: been no bodies. There's been No, there's been no proof
Speaker 2: of a dead animal, like, no one's actually ran one
Speaker 2: over unlested it walks out in front of me again,
Speaker 2: then I'll be the first one that does, because I'm
Speaker 2: said that before. I'm going to run it over. So
Speaker 2: I have my proof.
Speaker 1: So you can get it if you could just be
Speaker 1: hoping that if you don't kill it, though, it might
Speaker 1: get kind of angry.
Speaker 2: I guess if it gets angry, then I'll know for
Speaker 2: a few seconds what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: I can die with answers.
Speaker 1: Well, there is some postings online. There's pictures of supposedly
Speaker 1: what they say is a dog men body and it's
Speaker 1: like laying on the back of a truck. It's pretty big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually that is a prop from a movie.
Speaker 2: Actually I know, I know the person that's made it.
Speaker 2: He's actually been in a Reddit group that I've been
Speaker 2: heard of for dog Man and well it is his artwork,
Speaker 2: stuff that they're making for a movie prop and people
Speaker 2: used it and stole it, saying it was real when
Speaker 2: it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well.
Speaker 2: It looks really good. But he does he supposedly made
Speaker 2: all that stuff. He sent He's posted up behind the
Speaker 2: scene photos of how they made all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So okay, well that's disappointing. Well I thought I just
Speaker 1: assumed it was real, But yeah, it's that's true. They
Speaker 1: haven't found any bodies of it, But you know, do
Speaker 1: we always find bodies of all of the other animals
Speaker 1: that die in the wild. I mean that we don't
Speaker 1: even see.
Speaker 2: You know, if you talk to hunters, and I've done
Speaker 2: this before and it might make some of them angry,
Speaker 2: but I don't really care when people say these things
Speaker 2: don't exist because you've never found a body. How often
Speaker 2: have these hunters that say these things don't exist because
Speaker 2: they're in the woods all the time. How many times
Speaker 2: did they have come across a.
Speaker 1: Bear carcass right exactly?
Speaker 2: Or a mountain lion carcass. I'm using I'm using the
Speaker 2: predator type animals as a thing because it's very rare
Speaker 2: that you ever hear someone having that. So where do
Speaker 2: they go?
Speaker 1: You don't where do they go? I mean they probably
Speaker 1: get eaten by you know, vultures. The carcass just gets
Speaker 1: consumed by other creatures.
Speaker 2: You might run across the random bone here and there,
Speaker 2: but you're just going to think it's just a normal
Speaker 2: animal and not thinking much of us.
Speaker 1: About it, right, right, So you can't really use that
Speaker 1: as an explanation. Yeah, there's you can't just write off
Speaker 1: because and that you know with that explanation, I don't
Speaker 1: that doesn't Yeah, you're right, you don't come across the
Speaker 1: cougar carcass. I don't know what happens to them. Well,
Speaker 1: they deteriorate their rot, you know, are they get eaten.
Speaker 1: That's the nature of the wild things get eaten.
Speaker 2: There's so much out there that we don't know about.
Speaker 2: That could be right again, even if you just want,
Speaker 2: how often you ever just come acar across a skeleton
Speaker 2: or a carcass of any animal?
Speaker 1: You don't exactly, you don't, You don't, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: especially if you're in town. You know you might see roadkill.
Speaker 1: You know, you see a squirrel that's been hit by
Speaker 1: a car. But you know, they don't just stay there
Speaker 1: while the city comes and cleans them up easily usually.
Speaker 1: But you know, one thing, and I've thought about too,
Speaker 1: is you're kind of getting away from that aspect of
Speaker 1: it is the Michigan encounters. I mean, Michigan seems to
Speaker 1: be just dense with it as far as the you know,
Speaker 1: the dog men and but and it makes sense that
Speaker 1: they'd be up there. There's so much you know, more
Speaker 1: open country up there, especially when you go up north, and.
Speaker 2: That's where they originated from. What the term dog man
Speaker 2: because I think in the nineteen eighties they had that
Speaker 2: song and it was talking about a dog man is
Speaker 2: around Halloween time. It was kind of a joke and
Speaker 2: people started calling into the radio station reporting seeing these things.
Speaker 3: MM.
Speaker 2: So the people that did it did it as a joke,
Speaker 2: but apparently there was actually people out there that were like, no,
Speaker 2: I've been seeing this stuff. I'm glad someone said something
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, probably the maybe it was originated as a joke,
Speaker 1: but that could be the joke kind of got inspired
Speaker 1: by what people had seen. Right. So, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's no reason to believe that they're just going to
Speaker 1: stay in Michigan and not come down in Indiana. We're
Speaker 1: not that far away.
Speaker 2: Native Americans around the country have different variations of their
Speaker 2: old supernatural legends or whatever you want to call the lures.
Speaker 2: Like right, they had window goes more. I think that's
Speaker 2: a I love, it's a cree things. I don't want
Speaker 2: to start picking things apart. But I know, like skin
Speaker 2: walkers is a term that the Navajos use for like
Speaker 2: when they're medicine men, witch doctors or whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call them, would turn into these things, right, Why
Speaker 2: were they talking about stuff like that?
Speaker 1: Though? Yeah, well, yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 2: What started those stories from the Native Americans? Something had
Speaker 2: to influence that. I've said this about all sorts of
Speaker 2: lures when it comes to the old stories, like why
Speaker 2: were people talking about where wolves in Europe a thousand
Speaker 2: years ago?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like those stories are not just modern like
Speaker 2: those have been around for a long time.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, there's I think myths are they're not untrue.
Speaker 1: They're based on people's experiences. They're based on real events
Speaker 1: or real experiences that people had. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't. You know, I give a lot of credibility
Speaker 1: to myths and legends and stories, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a.
Speaker 2: Couple there's a couple of things that I've try to
Speaker 2: bring up here and there every once in a while
Speaker 2: to people have had these experiences and try to look
Speaker 2: into things.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, like.
Speaker 2: Look at the old grim fairy tales. For the most part,
Speaker 2: what was one of the what was one of the
Speaker 2: main bad guys of those stories, the big bad.
Speaker 1: Wolf, right, the big bad wolf exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, in the story of Red Riding Hood. What did
Speaker 2: the Big bad Wolf do? Well, he impersonated a person
Speaker 2: he ate Grandma and dressed like her, right, right, So
Speaker 2: that's a wolf that can wear people clothing, and so
Speaker 2: it's like a wear wolf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And then you had the three Little Pigs the wolves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the wolf was the bad guy in that, and he
Speaker 2: would huff and puff and blow their house down. You
Speaker 2: go on to the next one. But one of the
Speaker 2: things that he said was little pig, little pig, let
Speaker 2: me in. And I've heard another interview and I don't
Speaker 2: know where it was, but someone said this thing was
Speaker 2: tapping on the window and telling him to let it in.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The let it in thing, for me sounds very much
Speaker 2: demonic in a sense, poor vampire like it, because you
Speaker 2: have to invite it in. If something's that big and
Speaker 2: it's out there and it wants to come in, why
Speaker 2: couldn't it just bust through the.
Speaker 1: Window, right, That's true. Yeah, that is a good question.
Speaker 1: And you I've listened to some encounters where they people
Speaker 1: say they're tapped on the window. I get that would
Speaker 1: freak me out, but yeah, because then you're not safe
Speaker 1: and your own space. If you don't feel it threatens
Speaker 1: your own safety and it intimidates you.
Speaker 2: Other people have tried to say, well, they don't understand
Speaker 2: how doors and windows actually are. Well, if they're smart
Speaker 2: enough to tap on the window, I'm sure they can
Speaker 2: know it breaks, especially if it has the ability to
Speaker 2: telepathically tell you to let it in.
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: So to me, like that's where I start to wander
Speaker 2: with the whole flesh and blood aspect to it, Like,
Speaker 2: if it has those abilities, I don't necessarily think it's
Speaker 2: just a normal animal because biologically it can't. It doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sort of sense as to how it could
Speaker 2: be anyways, And then you start adding into supernatural elements
Speaker 2: of mind speak and everything else. To me, then you're
Speaker 2: starting to get into that whole WU factor over here
Speaker 2: to where it's kind of a little strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I didn't have that kind of
Speaker 1: encounter with what I saw. I didn't feel I mean,
Speaker 1: they weren't. I didn't feel like I was being communicated
Speaker 1: to on a psychic level, you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: probably have more psychic connection with my own dogs, but
Speaker 1: that's just because I know them. But yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: have that experience. And you do hear people say they
Speaker 1: have that experience that they you know, they had the
Speaker 1: sense of fear before they even saw anything, and that
Speaker 1: is interesting. So yeah, but the creature that I saw
Speaker 1: was eating. It's just so, I mean, maybe they could
Speaker 1: the whole parallel universe thing.
Speaker 2: They could interdimensional.
Speaker 1: Right, interdimensional in this dimension though, but while they're here,
Speaker 1: they have to eat, right, so they still have to eat.
Speaker 2: What if they come here to eat?
Speaker 1: Could be? That could be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of questions. And again,
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't have any answers. I'm just
Speaker 2: a guy with a microphone. But I try and search
Speaker 2: for things like that. I'm searching for a truth. That's
Speaker 2: why I do what I do. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'll ever find it or not, but that's what I'm
Speaker 2: out here doing.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's what I do every day, try to
Speaker 1: find out what the truth of things is. In a
Speaker 1: lot of aspects of our lives, trying to find out
Speaker 1: what the truth is. There's so much that we humans
Speaker 1: don't know, even those of us who try to find
Speaker 1: out things, to find out what the truth is. There's
Speaker 1: always something you don't you don't know.
Speaker 2: That's probably by design.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by design, But yeah, I do believe there's things
Speaker 1: out there I do, you know. And what I saw
Speaker 1: was not normal. Call it weird. It was just not
Speaker 1: It's not what we're accustomed to seeing, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: And each time I the two you know, the first thing,
Speaker 1: I mean, people call them encounters. It's they're not like
Speaker 1: they're encounters. And I don't feel like I encountered them.
Speaker 1: I saw them, you know, I didn't have right, I didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, an encounter to me is walking through the
Speaker 1: woods and coming around to Ben and there it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, this, it's right in front of you. That's
Speaker 1: an encounter. The people that have been you know, some
Speaker 1: people have been terrorized by these things, like you said,
Speaker 1: banging on the windows or even you know, threatening them,
Speaker 1: some real negative experiences. But then some people they see
Speaker 1: them and they you know, they're not they're afraid, but
Speaker 1: they're not harmed or you know, directly threatened by the
Speaker 1: creature in any way. But some people really have been
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I kind of wonder why they
Speaker 1: had those kind of experiences. So, and that's another thing too.
Speaker 1: It's like there's different personalities to these creatures. Some of
Speaker 1: them just mind your at their own business. They see
Speaker 1: people and then they don't threaten them at all, and
Speaker 1: then they just go away. But then some people are
Speaker 1: actually feel like they're hunted by them, and you know,
Speaker 1: so there's different personalities in these creatures. Not some not
Speaker 1: so nice, and some they just don't really bother you.
Speaker 2: And that could be just like people too.
Speaker 1: True. And you hear the same thing about sasquatch. There
Speaker 1: are some sasquash that are really very you know, frightening
Speaker 1: and some but for the most part they're not. You know,
Speaker 1: I can't say either way the ones I saw, if
Speaker 1: the ones I saw, you know what they were like
Speaker 1: the one that we eating, if I had been not
Speaker 1: in a car, I don't think I would have felt
Speaker 1: very safe. For one thing, it was eating. I mean,
Speaker 1: any wild animal is eating. You don't want to you
Speaker 1: don't want to bother them. That's not a good time
Speaker 1: to to be around them because they're going to feel
Speaker 1: threatened that you're going to take their food away.
Speaker 2: So did that one have pointed ears.
Speaker 1: It did kind of like like a wolf, not as
Speaker 1: not as big as I've had a shepherd mix that
Speaker 1: had the point of ears, not as big as a
Speaker 1: shepherd's ears as far as in relation to it's head,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was more like lower
Speaker 1: pointed ears. But then there was a lot of fur
Speaker 1: around it too, so I yeah, kind of had the
Speaker 1: chow like look about it. And the shepherd mix that
Speaker 1: I had was a shepherd chow mix, a great dog.
Speaker 1: She was the best dog ever that I acquired, you know,
Speaker 1: and she had more shepherd type years, but she had
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of fur around her face,
Speaker 1: but not quite as much as the full blooded chow.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what I saw had that chow fur around
Speaker 1: the face, around the head rather not the face, but
Speaker 1: the head.
Speaker 2: The thing that I saw looked like a large black wolf,
Speaker 2: but it had very puffy fur like a child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what this one looked like. It wasn't black though,
Speaker 1: it was more gray, kind of grayish like a you know,
Speaker 1: not had like like there was different colors mixed into
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it was beautiful in a way. It
Speaker 1: was really pretty, you know. But then I love animals,
Speaker 1: so and but but yeah, the teeth were I mean,
Speaker 1: it was bearing its teeth at me because it was
Speaker 1: in the middle of eating. I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: trying to frighten me. It just its mouth was open.
Speaker 1: It had whatever it was eating in its mouth, and
Speaker 1: there was you know.
Speaker 2: Was its eyes reflecting the lights that I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that as much. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: looked at me. Its eyes were dark.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, you hear about those red eyes or the
Speaker 1: yellow eyes. It wasn't like that. They were just kind
Speaker 1: of dark. Just that didn't that didn't know, Okay, I
Speaker 1: couldn't say that.
Speaker 2: So usually always hear about the glowing eyes. And yeah,
Speaker 2: even the thing I saw its eyes, I say they
Speaker 2: weren't glowing. They were, but they weren't because my headlights
Speaker 2: were shining on the guy with me. The headlights were
Speaker 2: shining on it. So the headlights.
Speaker 1: Shining, and plus you know, it was it was daylight.
Speaker 1: It wasn't dark, yea. So it was morning morning light.
Speaker 2: So so in broad daylight, you basically got a better
Speaker 2: look out of it when anyone else would have gotten anyways,
Speaker 2: because it's in daylight. And that's the thing that for
Speaker 2: coyote purposes kind of eliminates that in my opinion, because
Speaker 2: they're more nocturnal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're more.
Speaker 2: Out during the night rather than the day.
Speaker 1: Right, Right, This was morning, Yeah, so early morning, and
Speaker 1: it was you know, the sun had you know, was up,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was driving away from the sun, so,
Speaker 1: but it was the day was clear, but there was
Speaker 1: it had you know. Yeah, you springtime, it rains the
Speaker 1: day before and then the next day it's clear, but
Speaker 1: there's still that dampness and that hovering of that mist
Speaker 1: over the fields. That's that's what I remember seeing. I
Speaker 1: remember that very distinctly. And but the daylight, it was
Speaker 1: a clear morning and yeah, it was out in broad daylight,
Speaker 1: just having breakfast on the side of the road, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was huge. It's huge.
Speaker 2: Ever since that day though, it's kind of changed your perspective,
Speaker 2: hasn't it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say so.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't understand how it does it for everyone else.
Speaker 2: I just know for me personally and from other people
Speaker 2: that I've talked to, like it's almost like an awakening
Speaker 2: that there's some thing out there and we don't really
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 1: It is, right that we don't Yeah, we don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, and I just kind of accepted I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to find anybody who could tell me anything.
Speaker 1: I tried to find somebody to give me information that
Speaker 1: I thought might know, and you know, it was just
Speaker 1: kind of blown off. And you know, he didn't you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't rude about it. He just oh, it's just coyote.
Speaker 1: It's nothing, you know, and I s, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a coyote. But it was when I started listening to
Speaker 1: dog Men Encounters and other podcasts, but mainly dog Man Encounters,
Speaker 1: that I thought, well, that's what I saw. It was
Speaker 1: the first time I listened to it. I don't know
Speaker 1: how I came across it. I wasn't looking for it.
Speaker 1: It just came up on, you know, something I was.
Speaker 1: I was watching something else on YouTube, I think, and
Speaker 1: that there it was, and I thought, you know, what's that?
Speaker 1: And so I listened to it and then that's exist
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, that's exactly what I saw.
Speaker 2: VIC show because someone reached out to me because someone
Speaker 2: from my area had an encounter. So I listened to
Speaker 2: that episode and that's how I got in contact with
Speaker 2: a VIC. But that is one of those things again,
Speaker 2: like one of the area that that person had their
Speaker 2: experience at. I also have on my map, which is
Speaker 2: also in the same general areas, so the other things
Speaker 2: around here. Like I said, so there's like four or
Speaker 2: five different events have happened, at least in my close proximity.
Speaker 1: M HM said, I wish I could find the the website,
Speaker 1: and I was almost certain I found it through the
Speaker 1: dog Man Encounters website where there was like a map
Speaker 1: and it was a national map, and it had like
Speaker 1: the little marks on the map to tell you where
Speaker 1: people had reported dog Man and there were few in Indiana,
Speaker 1: and the one that I click on it and it
Speaker 1: tells you where it's at, and it was in Forest
Speaker 1: and Forrest is just outside of Frankfurt. It's a little
Speaker 1: little dinky you know. They're not even a stop sign there.
Speaker 1: It's a what do you call that kind of town,
Speaker 1: like a a grain elevator town, and there's nothing there,
Speaker 1: but there's one they say there, And I thought, well,
Speaker 1: that's or has at some point in time there had
Speaker 1: been an encounter reported there, and that's just real close
Speaker 1: to Frankfort. So I thought, well, there's no reason why
Speaker 1: what I saw isn't a dog man, I'm sure they
Speaker 1: get around. You know, they're going to move around. They're
Speaker 1: not going to just stay in one place. And if
Speaker 1: you look at that field, beyond that field, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of trees in the beyond the field, there's a
Speaker 1: you know, there's some areas of trees, so they could
Speaker 1: hide out in there. There's water sources not far away.
Speaker 1: I mean, all those things that would attract them to
Speaker 1: that area, you know, and plenty of wildlife that they
Speaker 1: could eat. So so if it just makes sense that
Speaker 1: they'd be there. And the same with around Frankfort. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, there's a lot of farm
Speaker 1: land around this, but there are a lot of wooded
Speaker 1: areas near and there's plenty of water the Wabash River,
Speaker 1: you know, Prairie Creek runs through town. There's plenty of things,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's plenty of wildlife right here in town. Squirrels,
Speaker 1: there's raccoons, possums, you know all the time.
Speaker 2: How far were you from the river where this thing was.
Speaker 1: The first time? Both, Yeah, Well, there's Prairie Creek runs
Speaker 1: right where I saw where the car stopped. There's a
Speaker 1: little park beyond there, and there's a dog park back
Speaker 1: there too, where I take my dogs. And there's a
Speaker 1: creek that runs right there. It's right there, right by
Speaker 1: that road, right by the intersection. So and that runs
Speaker 1: all the way through town as far as Mulberry. I
Speaker 1: know there's I want to say, is it just Sugar
Speaker 1: Creek runs through there? I can't remember there is a
Speaker 1: creek back beyond those fields, so I can't remember which
Speaker 1: one it is. Of course, the Wabash River is all along.
Speaker 1: There's typically you know, Yeah, the Wabash rivers around and there.
Speaker 1: I'd have to I can't. I'd have to look at
Speaker 1: a map to tell you. But there's water all around there.
Speaker 2: If you happen to get a chance, m and you
Speaker 2: can pinpoint it on a map, you can email that
Speaker 2: to me. Because again I'm gonna I'm taking all these locations.
Speaker 2: I'm doing the whole little conspiracy crazy person here, but
Speaker 2: I'm doing the corkboard with the little red lines and
Speaker 2: I'm mapping out everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah I could do that. Yeah, figure out how to
Speaker 1: get a map up and yeah, yeah, I could do that.
Speaker 1: And the one, the first one I saw really wasn't
Speaker 1: in Frankfury, was more in Mulberry, you know, where Mulberry.
Speaker 2: Is there is I know the name. I have to
Speaker 2: look on my.
Speaker 1: Map, basically between Frankfort and and.
Speaker 2: Lafia. Yeah, I was just down through there not longer.
Speaker 2: I had to go to Crawford ZI. I was at
Speaker 2: one of those conventions they had going on down there.
Speaker 2: So I just drove through that area recently. And I
Speaker 2: had some work stuff in Frankfort not long ago. So
Speaker 2: I've been in Frankfort not too long back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know in Crawfordsville's not far west of here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not far at all.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, if you have anything
Speaker 2: else we can talk about, but if not, we can
Speaker 2: probably wrap this up. We've been going on for over
Speaker 2: an hour.
Speaker 1: Yeah sounds good. Sounds good. Yeah, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: we pretty much covered it. Yeah. I just had the
Speaker 1: two experiences. But m so.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I hope I've been helpful.
Speaker 2: Oh you have. I definitely appreciate talking with you. I'm
Speaker 2: always I had to hear from a fellow who's your
Speaker 2: especially one that's not that far away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it happened, Yeah, and I was That's why
Speaker 1: I think you must I don't know was I were
Speaker 1: you interviewed by Vic.
Speaker 2: I was on Vic's show because I actually heard. I
Speaker 2: reached out to Vic originally because I was trying to
Speaker 2: figure out if he had any information or if he
Speaker 2: could relay my information to the guy that he'd interviewed
Speaker 2: that was in Peru, right, and he didn't, but he
Speaker 2: asked if I wanted to come on the show because
Speaker 2: maybe that guy would listen and reach out. So I've
Speaker 2: still never heard from that guy because I would.
Speaker 1: Love to talk to him. Yeah, that's too bad.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't even care if it's for an interview
Speaker 2: for the show. I just want to hear yea his
Speaker 2: experience in person and kind of figure out exactly where
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I was intrigued because you said Peru,
Speaker 1: you told your stories about Prue. I thought, well, geez,
Speaker 1: that's not that far from here. And it validates, you know,
Speaker 1: it helps to validate your own experience when you know
Speaker 1: people near near, in the general area are also having
Speaker 1: those experiences, so you're not you're not crazy.
Speaker 2: You know, I might be crazy, but I'm not crazy
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, but you know you know what I mean. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: but you know, and I feel bad for a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there who do see these things and
Speaker 1: they tell their family members, you know. And Vic talks
Speaker 1: a lot about this too, how they tell them, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you're seeing things, or they just you know,
Speaker 1: tell them they're crazy. And that's you know, I believe.
Speaker 2: Most people that I talked about originally because I didn't
Speaker 2: say a whole lot, but I I had family members
Speaker 2: laugh at the time. I still love at my parents' house,
Speaker 2: they laughed about it because they didn't think it was real.
Speaker 2: And I've had other people not say anything. I've told
Speaker 2: a couple of people about it and they laughed about it.
Speaker 2: The co worker didn't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 2: So it's like you write it off in your mind
Speaker 2: because the people that you think should be there to
Speaker 2: believe you and support you typically don't, so then you
Speaker 2: start to question yourself.
Speaker 1: Right right. Well, Fortunately, my the main people in my
Speaker 1: life are my sons, and they do listen to me
Speaker 1: and they don't discount me, you know. And my oldest
Speaker 1: son is an engineer and he's very analytical, so you know,
Speaker 1: he's kind of probably the opinion that, well, if I
Speaker 1: believe if I see it, then I'll believe you. But
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say what you that you are
Speaker 1: seeing things? You know, say, he's not telling me I'm crazy,
Speaker 1: but you know he wants to have proof too, But well,
Speaker 1: you weren't there, so you can't. If you can't, you know,
Speaker 1: you're just going to have to believe me.
Speaker 2: Right, It's hard to prove anything, especially as much as
Speaker 2: we would like to. When someone sees something, that's that's
Speaker 2: all you get to hear that that the proof is
Speaker 2: their story. So it's hard to right, hard to prove
Speaker 2: anything based on that. Like, I don't think people are lying.
Speaker 1: No, and you can't. People say, well, why don't they
Speaker 1: take pictures? In this day and age, everybody has a
Speaker 1: phone you could take Well, for one thing, in two
Speaker 1: thousand and one, you know, I had a flip phone.
Speaker 1: It didn't take pictures, so and I wouldn't have even
Speaker 1: the thought of stopping and taking a picture doesn't even
Speaker 1: enter my mind. I wouldn't have entered my mind. And
Speaker 1: as far as what I saw in September running across
Speaker 1: the road, well there's no way I would have gotten
Speaker 1: that in a picture. I couldn't have gotten the phone
Speaker 1: up fast enough to get a picture. And I'm also
Speaker 1: I don't always carry my phone with me. Maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: some people find that crazy, but you know, I'm old
Speaker 1: enough that it's not permanently attached to my hip, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm using I'm using the phone
Speaker 1: to talk to you right now because frankly, I need
Speaker 1: a new laptop and my desktop is it's just would
Speaker 1: be just too inconvenient to use. So you know, I
Speaker 1: have to use a phone, my phone for this. But
Speaker 1: I'm not the type to carry my phone around with
Speaker 1: me all the time. So you know, I will go
Speaker 1: out at and I walk my dogs without my phone.
Speaker 1: And maybe some people say, well, you know what if
Speaker 1: something happens, you know, but you know, well, I'm taking
Speaker 1: my chances, like there was a time when we didn't
Speaker 1: have phones and we walked took our dogs for walks
Speaker 1: without them, you know. So but even if I'd had it,
Speaker 1: I couldn't have gotten that picture of anything. It was gone,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm not going to chase after it
Speaker 1: to get a picture. You know, that would be that
Speaker 1: could be dangerous, right.
Speaker 2: I don't encourage anyone to go after them. Me and
Speaker 2: the people that are going to go out and film
Speaker 2: with me, we're dumb enough to go after it. I
Speaker 2: actually had this conversation with one of my friends is
Speaker 2: going to be doing the video portions, and he said,
Speaker 2: what happens if we actually find something? I was like, well,
Speaker 2: then we'll worry about that when it happens. I don't
Speaker 2: have a plan. I don't. I don't honestly expect to
Speaker 2: find anything, to be honest. But if I guess the
Speaker 2: random case that we do, then I guess we will
Speaker 2: figure that out and just don't be the slowest.
Speaker 1: Person, right right, make sure you can run. I you know,
Speaker 1: and I probably would be intrigued to do something like
Speaker 1: that as a group. I would be willing to do
Speaker 1: that if I had a group of people that would
Speaker 1: be interesting to me, and but to go out by
Speaker 1: myself and hunt for them, no, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do that. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a few people out, but when
Speaker 2: it comes time to actually do what I'm planning on doing,
Speaker 2: I'm not going out with a bunch of people because
Speaker 2: you're never going to find something if you have a
Speaker 2: lot of people with you, because there's too much noise,
Speaker 2: too much stuff. So if I do something, it's going
Speaker 2: to be with me, a camera person and maybe one
Speaker 2: of person.
Speaker 1: If that right, well, yeah, and I wouldn't feel afraid
Speaker 1: to do that at all. You know, you're not alone.
Speaker 1: But no, but to go up by myself and just
Speaker 1: hunt for dog men and no, I'm not good.
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily just hunting for dog man. I'm hunting
Speaker 2: for all the weird stuff because there's a lot of weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of weird stuff around here. So for me,
Speaker 2: it's going out for all the weird.
Speaker 1: Stuff, right right, well, yeah, but yeah, that would be fun.
Speaker 1: You do know that you might come across. And I
Speaker 1: do think there's some truth to the fact that if
Speaker 1: you're looking for it, it will find you, you know,
Speaker 1: I do think there's there's something to that. I think
Speaker 1: whatever dog men, sasquatch, whatever, not that they're trying to
Speaker 1: be harmful, but they're probably I think they do pick
Speaker 1: up on, you know, you your interest. It's just like
Speaker 1: animals that are in need of help, they're going to
Speaker 1: go to people that they know what people to go to,
Speaker 1: right you know what I mean, They're going to go
Speaker 1: to those people and ask for their help. You know.
Speaker 1: You know, like the shepherd child mix that I had
Speaker 1: was not being well cared for, and it pretty much
Speaker 1: came to me and became my dog, you know. So
Speaker 1: so I think I think there's something to that too.
Speaker 1: So well, it's very interesting. It's been fun talking about it,
Speaker 1: and it, you know, makes me feel validated in a way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm glad I could give you some validation.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I do the show just for the
Speaker 2: sake of allowing people for a chance to talk, because
Speaker 2: I know what it was like never being able to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I can talk
Speaker 1: to my kids, but I don't talk to my coworker.
Speaker 1: I never tell him. I have one friend I've told
Speaker 1: a neighbor. He's pretty open minded and he's intrigued by it, yes,
Speaker 1: and I've talked to him about it.
Speaker 2: So I've told a few co workers, and I think
Speaker 2: they think I'm probably a lunatic at this point, but
Speaker 2: it is what it is. I know there's a couple
Speaker 2: of them that still listen to the show too, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: It's always weird when your work finds out you do
Speaker 2: stuff like this and you go out and do all
Speaker 2: stuff like that. You never know how they're going to
Speaker 2: interpret him. But so far, no one said anything to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well they're not doing any harm, so right, well,
Speaker 1: and who knows, they might counter something and then you'll
Speaker 1: be somebody they can talk to. So I think there's
Speaker 1: things out there, and I you know, I listen to
Speaker 1: the Dogmen Encounters frequently and not all the time. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I take a break from it because sometimes I just
Speaker 1: don't have time, and but it's very interesting to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for the people that are so terribly
Speaker 1: frightened by it or have a terrible experience. That's pretty
Speaker 1: pretty awful.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, Jeanette, it's been a pleasure talking with you.
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yep, thank you.
Speaker 1: You have a good night, you too, Thank you, Bye bye.
Speaker 2: And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys
Speaker 2: enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a
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Speaker 2: And just remember the truth lies and the stories we share,
Speaker 2: the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you
Speaker 2: all for joining us on this journey, and until next time,
Speaker 2: keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night.
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