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<v Speaker 1>And I just turned around and I call ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them.

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<v Speaker 1>The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my

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<v Speaker 1>head lights on, it turned and looked at us.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things I remember the most, where

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<v Speaker 2>the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

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<v Speaker 1>It is just circling these steps like it is waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for me. And he begins to tell them that he

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<v Speaker 1>saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>The top of the muzzle nose and the eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like death.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Tenfoil Teals. I'm your host, Brandon Wright.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight's episode, we're going to be joined by my guest, Jeanette.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeanette is a local Indiana resident. She had a weird

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<v Speaker 2>sighting back in two thousand and one involving a large

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<v Speaker 2>canine creature, and then she also had a recent one

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<v Speaker 2>here just a few weeks ago that happened to be

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<v Speaker 2>on two legs. So I'm definitely looking forward to talking

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<v Speaker 2>with her, especially when it comes into upright walking Canid's

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<v Speaker 2>right up in my alley there for what I look into.

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<v Speaker 2>But now we're going to go ahead and bring Janet on.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely looking forward to talking with her, especially when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes into the Indiana stuff. She's not too far away

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<v Speaker 2>from where I'm at. It falls in line with what

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<v Speaker 2>I've been recent searching and what I've been trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make a documentary about. So definitely looking forward to talking

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<v Speaker 2>to her, and I hope you guys enjoy our conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>So sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to take this time to welcome my guest tonight, Jeanette.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for coming on here and talking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's a pleasure. Thanks for inviting me.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you like to let the audience know a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm a single mom. I have two sons, grown

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<v Speaker 1>sons and live in Frankfort, Indiana, have two dogs, three casts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a nurse by profession. I've been doing that for

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen years. I guess prior to that, I was social worker.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of most recent recent history. I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>that's about all I can think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, Okay. He reached out to me several months ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've been we've been trying to get something set

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<v Speaker 2>up here. But with you being local to Indiana, it

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<v Speaker 2>really and not too far from where I'm at. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here in Miami County. It's really about maybe forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes away from each other. But you had a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting accounter. That always when someone says they've seen upright

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<v Speaker 2>walking canine, it always makes me want to listen because

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<v Speaker 2>it's close home to me, because that is something that

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been interested in. Now since i've had my experience,

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<v Speaker 2>and for me, I've been looking into some of the

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<v Speaker 2>things around here, a lot of the weird stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>goes on around at least Miami County. Being in an

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<v Speaker 2>adjacent county. It's not like these things are only in

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<v Speaker 2>one area, right. I actually just talked to someone about

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<v Speaker 2>a week and a half ago in Crawfordville, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were from off Yete.

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<v Speaker 1>And Crawfordsville is not far from me.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And they saw one in two thousand and six. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they said it walked across the street and hopped over

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<v Speaker 2>a guardrail.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked if they wanted to come on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't. Just not a whole lot to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just kind of their thing. They didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be out there. But she told me what happens. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, well I appreciate that. So, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a lot of those stories around here. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you would like to begin with yours, you can go

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<v Speaker 2>right ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll start with the older one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I say, it was around two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason I know that is because that was

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<v Speaker 1>the year that I stopped doing social work. Is when

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<v Speaker 1>I changed, you know, and I stayed home with my

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<v Speaker 1>kids and for a few years, and my son at

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<v Speaker 1>the time would have been a little over two years old.

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<v Speaker 1>And we were driving early one morning, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>it was some appointment associated with him, like a doctor's

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<v Speaker 1>appointment or something. I can't remember the details of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were out early one morning, driving from Frankfort

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<v Speaker 1>to Lafayette, and that took me on the road that

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<v Speaker 1>I took through through Mulberry. And as we were entering

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<v Speaker 1>the town or coming close to the town, there were

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<v Speaker 1>farm fields pretty much on both sides, but on the left,

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<v Speaker 1>just on the edge of town was the new library

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<v Speaker 1>that had been built for that town. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those misty spring morning where there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of mist over the fields. I mean, it was clear,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see on the roads. It wasn't like it

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<v Speaker 1>was foggy, but there was that mist hanging over the

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<v Speaker 1>fields one of those days. And as I approached Mulberry,

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<v Speaker 1>on my right hand side, I saw a large creature

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<v Speaker 1>eating roadkill, and it was so large that it made

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<v Speaker 1>me slow down to get a good look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing that struck me too was the ditch,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a ditch on the side of the road

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<v Speaker 1>is fairly expansive, but it looked like its hindquarters were

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<v Speaker 1>balanced on the far the side of the ditch, closer

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<v Speaker 1>to the field, and its front was up by the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was huge. And I just slowed down

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<v Speaker 1>and as I looked to my right, as I got closer,

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<v Speaker 1>it lifted its head and it was a It looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a wolf, and it had a huge maine, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fur around its face. And it was just

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<v Speaker 1>as I told you earlier. It was in I was

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<v Speaker 1>in a bond of bill, so that gives you an

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the window on the passenger side. It just

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<v Speaker 1>looked like it could just fill that window with the

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<v Speaker 1>size of its head. It was. It was massive. The

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<v Speaker 1>first thing that went through my mind was I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in a car because I've got my son in

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<v Speaker 1>the backseat. You know, I was. I mean, I was

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<v Speaker 1>frightened in that sense, but not I mean, I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I was safe because I was in a car. I

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<v Speaker 1>could get away easily. But and just just I was

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<v Speaker 1>more curious, dumbfounded, you know, what the heck is that?

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<v Speaker 1>What could it be? And with the job that I

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<v Speaker 1>did as in social work. I interacted with a local

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement and later on, like a week later or so,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in a meeting with the deputy share for

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<v Speaker 1>that town and I asked him if he knew if

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<v Speaker 1>there were wolves around Mulberry. His response was no, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>asked me why I asked that question. I told him

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<v Speaker 1>what I saw and he said, you know, you probably

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<v Speaker 1>saw a coyote. And I said, no, I know what

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<v Speaker 1>a coyote looks like. This was way bigger than a coyote.

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<v Speaker 1>Coyotes aren't that big. You know, I have a standard

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<v Speaker 1>poodle who's seventy five pounds, which is probably the size

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<v Speaker 1>of a large coyote. You know, this animal is huge.

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<v Speaker 1>So and I've wondered about that for years, but of

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<v Speaker 1>course you put it out of your mind as time

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<v Speaker 1>goes by. That was several years ago. But and then

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<v Speaker 1>in recent years when I've heard things about dog men,

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<v Speaker 1>I've often wondered if that's what I actually saw. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's that encounter. And then here recently, I was walking

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<v Speaker 1>my dogs. I have another small dog here in Frankfurt,

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<v Speaker 1>and a few blocks from my house, I was at

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<v Speaker 1>a fairly large corner of streets that go into a neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was walking away from the corner towards my

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<v Speaker 1>house and a car was going by the other way,

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<v Speaker 1>and as it hit that intersection, it you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a stop sign, but it slammed on its brakes suddenly,

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<v Speaker 1>and it made me turn around. And when I looked,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw what looked like a dog on upright running

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<v Speaker 1>across the street, and more of a silhouette. There was

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<v Speaker 1>there was a light there, but it still was late

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<v Speaker 1>at night. I walked the dogs by myself, late at night.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not worried about that. But you know, this was

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<v Speaker 1>not a human. That car slammed on its breaks for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason, and it had the the hawks of dog legs.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I told you earlier the city, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what went through my mind was the image of the

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<v Speaker 1>werewolf and Harry Potter, that same stance, the same curve

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<v Speaker 1>of the upper the like the hunching look of the

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<v Speaker 1>upper back, and the hawks of the legs, and and

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<v Speaker 1>it was it ran across that street very quickly, but

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it. And this thing that interested me too

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<v Speaker 1>was my dogs. If they see something, they bark, If

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<v Speaker 1>they see another person at they bark. They were silent.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like they weren't going to draw any

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<v Speaker 1>attention to themselves as me myself, I was just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was silent too, and I just as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>I turned, as soon as it passed, I grabbed my

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<v Speaker 1>dogs as that were going home and we hustled home.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, there's something out there. But that's basically

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<v Speaker 1>my experiences in a nutshell.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask a couple of questions about

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<v Speaker 2>the first one and then we can talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>second one.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one, you said you.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw it eating, Yes, I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you tell what it was actually eating? What the

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<v Speaker 2>actual roadkill was?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, could be any it could be a possum.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it did. When it brought its

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<v Speaker 1>teeth and those were not coyote teeth. I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that that was startling. It's like, oh my god, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, what side of the road was it on when

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<v Speaker 2>So what did to do when you drove past it?

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<v Speaker 1>It brought its head up because I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>No, I just looked right at me. It brought its

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<v Speaker 2>I think if it was a normal coyote type of

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was totally on it. It was unfettered by me.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>It just you know, I've heard from several people that

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<v Speaker 2>these things actually don't eat. But then I've heard it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like what you just told me that there's been

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<v Speaker 2>times they've been seen eating roadkills. So what is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they eat things or they don't eat things? Why

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<v Speaker 2>were they pretending to eat things if they're not actually

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard that too, And because in the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years, as I've told you, I've listened to some

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<v Speaker 1>other podcast about it, and that's when it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed that what I saw was not normal. There you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a basis for it. And yes, I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>people say that they don't eat, that there's some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ethereal thing. Now I think they're flesh and blood

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<v Speaker 1>and they're going to eat. Yeah, I'm sure they eat.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course they do. You know I'm not. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard people say, oh, I have a spiritual connection. I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard podcasts where people say, yeah, I have a spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>connection with these animals. I feel totally safe around them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't take that very seriously. If I encountered one

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<v Speaker 1>of these face to face and I wasn't in a

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<v Speaker 1>car knowing I could get away, you can better believe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be intimidated and afraid. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing I think they other people say they

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<v Speaker 2>want too, And that's what I've been told about some

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<v Speaker 2>of my stuff, is they want that fear because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they actually feed on.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah, I've heard stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Where people claim that these things have on their windows

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<v Speaker 2>and they've done the whole mind speak stuff to them,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very reminiscent of what you hear with sasquatch

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<v Speaker 2>people when they've had encounters too.

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<v Speaker 1>That could be that could be. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't deny that, but I'm not going to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just yeah, I'm not going to go out looking for them.

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<v Speaker 1>For some reason, I encounter them, you know, uh, or

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<v Speaker 1>I've had had these sightings and people. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to be more likely to see them if

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<v Speaker 1>you're out in the country a lot, out in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods a lot. But you know, they come into town,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think they do. I mean I think

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<v Speaker 1>I saw one this one. Last one I saw was

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<v Speaker 1>late September. I think maybe mid to late September. It

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty recent, and uh, you know, there's nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>stop him from coming into towns. I mean, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>wooded areas all around Frankfurt, so it very could very

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<v Speaker 1>easily happen. But yeah, I'm not going to go out

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<v Speaker 1>looking for them.

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<v Speaker 2>No, That's what I'm about to start doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, well i'd be prepared if I did. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you hear about two people that go hunting them,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to kill them. Yeah, I'm not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious as to why you're hearing more about them.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like more people see them. It's kind of comforting.

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<v Speaker 1>To me because you know, I just kind of blew

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<v Speaker 1>it off over the years. I thought, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody seems to know anything about this or telling me

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<v Speaker 1>it's a coyote. I don't believe that. I know coyotes

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<v Speaker 1>aren't that big, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you happen to get a good look at its

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<v Speaker 2>paws or anything, or just basically.

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<v Speaker 1>The face, just the face. I mean it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>busy eating. I didn't see it. Just what I did

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<v Speaker 1>see was the huge body. I mean, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>it could extend its body over the ditch like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Did it have a title?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't remember. It probably did, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see the details of it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the other weird thing that I've noticed. If you

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<v Speaker 2>hear a lot of people's like encounters stories, they claim

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<v Speaker 2>that it didn't have a tail, which I.

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<v Speaker 1>Heard that too, Yeah, but then there's people that say

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<v Speaker 1>they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. The thing I saw how a big bushy tail,

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<v Speaker 2>which I didn't know at the time that was a

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<v Speaker 2>thing that they didn't have tails. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>well this did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's more than one sort of I

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<v Speaker 2>guess dog man. I don't like saying dog man, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, but that is basically what they've.

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<v Speaker 1>Been called, but they've been pegged to be. Yeah, right, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>probably there probably is. It seems like there's some that

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<v Speaker 1>are furry and some that aren't so furry. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>one that I saw, you know, back in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one. It had a lot of fur around its

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<v Speaker 1>head and you know neck, it was very furry, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot or a lot of hair, but if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>you know very it was very thick and full and

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<v Speaker 1>hair and it's kind of up on the back of

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<v Speaker 1>its head too. I mean I saw that as I

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<v Speaker 1>approached it, that it had like the main kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then but the one I saw in September of

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<v Speaker 1>this year was not so much. I didn't see a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fur around it, so, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just a silhouette. It was more like it like the

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<v Speaker 1>thing you saw on Harry Pop or the werewolf. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of almost like it had been shaved, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but the silhouette and the stance of the legs, that

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<v Speaker 1>was not a human, you know, And I feel validated too.

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<v Speaker 1>But but by the fact that that car slammed on

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<v Speaker 1>its brakes, it's like it had it had gone past

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<v Speaker 1>the stop sign. You know, it stopped and then as

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<v Speaker 1>it took off or started to drive, it saw this

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<v Speaker 1>thing like I did, and it slammed on its brakes

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<v Speaker 1>enough that I heard the slamming of the brakes and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to not hit it. And also they probably

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<v Speaker 1>were like, what the heck is that? You know like

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<v Speaker 1>I like I did. But you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>stories that interests me that I, you know, I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>I am more inclined to think that there's some type

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<v Speaker 1>of experimentation going on with these creatures, like mutation mutations.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because one of the encounters I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to and I've listened to this one probably three times

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm so fascinated by what this person saw when

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<v Speaker 1>he the guy was driving through Joshua Tree in California

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<v Speaker 1>and he saw like a group of them literally running

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<v Speaker 1>information through that part in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, his description of them is pretty diverse.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was like a bunch of them, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and there's a lot of that. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of strange things that go, strange things that go

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<v Speaker 1>on in California with government experiments, and you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I listened, I listened to a lot of things about

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<v Speaker 1>that too, So that kind of made me one that

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<v Speaker 1>I often think that it's products of experimentation with animals

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<v Speaker 1>and mutations genetically. I would say that's a plausible thing

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<v Speaker 1>going on in our world today. Why, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't really surprise me one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing with me though, is there's been reports from

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<v Speaker 2>these things for thousands of.

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<v Speaker 1>Years, true, which that kind of negates that. Yeah, yeah, trials. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the ancient Egyptians had a god that was Anubis,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was basically a jackal headed person.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. Sure, And there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Been stories of there was supposedly a tribe of these

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<v Speaker 2>things somewhere I think home if it was India or

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in that area, but it was over somewhere on

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<v Speaker 1>Well I've never heard of that. That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a tribe of them, Huh. Again, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if any of this stuff is real when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to like the old stories or whatever. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>just stuff that I've come across trying to dig up stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Yeah, and there's certainly a lot of people having

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty interesting I mean, people are seeing them, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, that was it was, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>a comfort to me when I first encountered some of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcasts, not yours, but I've heard some of yours recently.

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<v Speaker 1>But are some stuff from you. I think I heard

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<v Speaker 1>you interviewed on something. Possibly. I can't remember how I

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<v Speaker 1>first encountered you, but I've listened to dog Man Encounters,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've listened to the things people the stories people

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<v Speaker 1>tell and their experiences. People are seeing these more and more,

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<v Speaker 1>and at least or at least they're feeling more comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it, you know, because a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>get poohooed. You didn't see that, you know, you're imagining things.

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately I have family that doesn't do that to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, there's there's something going on out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And like the same with Sasquatch, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Missouri, and in Missouri it was they

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<v Speaker 1>called sasquatch Momo the monster. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard of that, but people talked about it all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, you know. And my my my father's family

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<v Speaker 1>was from the Appalachians, and I spent a good part

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<v Speaker 1>of my childhood there, spent summers there a lot parts

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<v Speaker 1>of my summers, and you know, and that was out

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<v Speaker 1>in the mountains. And I remember my father saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to go out in those mountains, spend

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<v Speaker 1>too much time in those mountains at night because alone,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's things out there you don't want to encounter

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<v Speaker 1>by yourself. It was just kind of a given you.

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<v Speaker 1>You just don't do that unless you know what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So but you know, so I don't. I don't discount

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<v Speaker 1>people's experiences and what's out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I try and remain somewhat skeptical because I think

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<v Speaker 2>I have to in order to keep some sort of balance,

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<v Speaker 2>m right, because there's always going to be people out

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<v Speaker 2>there that want to just make stuff up, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand the desire to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Either.

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00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:49.599
<v Speaker 2>It ruins it for people that actually have real experiences,

423
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.319
<v Speaker 2>I think. But again, there's no way of detecting someone

424
00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:55.119
<v Speaker 2>that's real or sincere or whatever. But I think majority

425
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.640
<v Speaker 2>of the people I talk with I try to give

426
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:03.279
<v Speaker 2>the benefit of the doubt, right, And I've been doing

427
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of research here, I say quote unquote research,

428
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:10.200
<v Speaker 2>but I've been trying to find people around my area

429
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.599
<v Speaker 2>that have had experiences. And I actually was talking to

430
00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:18.599
<v Speaker 2>someone yesterday and they were fishing along the Walbash River

431
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.720
<v Speaker 2>east of Peru, and this was back in two thousand

432
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.880
<v Speaker 2>and twenty two, so two years ago actually long they

433
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.160
<v Speaker 2>heard some sound like coyotes ship and then they heard

434
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:34.359
<v Speaker 2>a very loud, deep howl type thing and their dogs

435
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:39.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of like freaked out by it. And he said,

436
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.079
<v Speaker 2>the hairstood up on the back of his neck. And

437
00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:46.400
<v Speaker 2>then as they were walking back. He actually has photos

438
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.559
<v Speaker 2>and stilt to me, he's got his normal dog's footprint,

439
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.720
<v Speaker 2>which is a sixty pound dog that he had, a husky,

440
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and then there's another large print next to it, and

441
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.599
<v Speaker 2>a large print is a lot bigger than the husky print. Wow,

442
00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:02.319
<v Speaker 2>he said. The thing that about it to him that

443
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:06.200
<v Speaker 2>was odd is it appeared to be just a set

444
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:10.319
<v Speaker 2>of footprints walking, not for footprints, but just two. Yeah,

445
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 2>So he's not necessarily a dog man or something like

446
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:18.839
<v Speaker 2>that type believer per se or looked into stuff like that,

447
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 2>Like he just was out fishing and heard something and

448
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:25.160
<v Speaker 2>came across though, So that's kind of got what like

449
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.599
<v Speaker 2>he started looking into kind of things too, because he

450
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:30.599
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know what would have made that. He doesn't necessarily

451
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.279
<v Speaker 2>believe dog Man are real, but he doesn't understand why

452
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the tracks of that in the tracks. Like I said,

453
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the photos are really.

454
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Big but right for.

455
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Me, the interesting part about this is the location he

456
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>sent me. At the location of where it happened. Just

457
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks later, not even like a mile away,

458
00:26:55.079 --> 00:27:00.839
<v Speaker 2>someone reported seeing a bigfoot. I said, I wonder if

459
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:02.480
<v Speaker 2>they actually saw a big foot or if they saw

460
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.839
<v Speaker 2>whatever this thing was, because it's literally like maybe a

461
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:09.799
<v Speaker 2>two week time frame right literally right in the same area.

462
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:14.839
<v Speaker 2>While I've also been digging into things and it seems

463
00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>to be I've pinpointed the exact location to two different

464
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:24.079
<v Speaker 2>people have had encounters what they claim when it were werewolves.

465
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 2>So I have that mapped out, actually have an X

466
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:32.160
<v Speaker 2>on it on my map here. And I know someone

467
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 2>else that lives in the area and they have weird

468
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 2>stuff happening around their place where they at least feel

469
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 2>like there's something weird, and they're in that same general area,

470
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.799
<v Speaker 2>and there's also been bigfoot sightings in that area. So

471
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.119
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, this little area, it's basically where the

472
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Walbash River and the Mississina Wall River connect.

473
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, and that makes sense. I mean it's a water

474
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>sores and you know it's a good place for animals

475
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>like that, and if there is a lot of wooded

476
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:02.640
<v Speaker 1>areas around there mm hm as well, it's easy for

477
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 1>them to hang out if you.

478
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Fall, if you follow the river, the Mississinewa River up

479
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.839
<v Speaker 2>to the dam because we have the missus Sinewa Reservoir.

480
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

481
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 2>There is an area through there called Oki Panoki and

482
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people had weird experiences out there too,

483
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:21.759
<v Speaker 2>and not so much like with dog man type things,

484
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 2>but there's been reports of bigfoot and there's a lot

485
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.559
<v Speaker 2>of like weird paranormal supernatural stuff that go on out

486
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>there right right, So it's like this whole little area

487
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>has a lot of high strangeness activity going on. There's

488
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.200
<v Speaker 2>been someone send me a UFO video back in June

489
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.039
<v Speaker 2>over the same exact location of where I've put this.

490
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:46.319
<v Speaker 1>X at interesting and I've seen UFOs too. It's funny.

491
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I've seen those in believe it or not, in Indianapolis.

492
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:51.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm always in Indianapolis when I see them.

493
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>There was some in Frankfort about a month ago. Did

494
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 2>you happen to see those? There was three orbs there

495
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.079
<v Speaker 2>was three orbs came from Frankfurt area up through Cocomo

496
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>through my area. There was three orange orbs. There's two

497
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.119
<v Speaker 2>sets of them. There's actually six lights that were flying

498
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:10.759
<v Speaker 2>in a pattern.

499
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

500
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 2>I saw several different videos. My sister in law and

501
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 2>my niece saw it that she actually called my wife

502
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.559
<v Speaker 2>to tell her about it, to tell me that my

503
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:23.279
<v Speaker 2>aunt and uncle were out trying to videotape it. My

504
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>other uncle actually saw it, didn't realize what it was.

505
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:31.359
<v Speaker 2>So I know several family members obviously that have seen it.

506
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>And that was I think it was October seventh, so

507
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.079
<v Speaker 2>not very far or not very long back.

508
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I I've seen orbs, but like I said,

509
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I was always over in Indianapolis. I was driving in

510
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Indianapolis and i'd see it, and of course you're in

511
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>the interstate and you can't you can't stop take a picture,

512
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and but i'd see them, you know, and they hang

513
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>in the sky and they The one I saw that

514
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:03.759
<v Speaker 1>was most striking was it was a big it was

515
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>a larger orb and then it kind of split into

516
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:13.359
<v Speaker 1>like four or five and then the one, the original

517
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>one kind of sat just sat there, and the other

518
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>ones that split off it just kind of went around it,

519
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and then they all came together again and it took off,

520
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 1>and I was it was as I was driving on

521
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>sixty five and just coming off. You know, you drive

522
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.559
<v Speaker 1>down sixty five into Indie and it's the exit, you know,

523
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.559
<v Speaker 1>you either go on to four sixty five and you

524
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.599
<v Speaker 1>stay on sixty five into the city, right. And that's

525
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.119
<v Speaker 1>because I used to work at Methodist Hospital and that's

526
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.559
<v Speaker 1>exactly how you go in. And I'm driving along there

527
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 1>and I see all those see it up in the

528
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.359
<v Speaker 1>sky and I worked nights there, but I was going

529
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>in for like a training, so it was daytime and

530
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 1>I I can't believe I'm seeing this, you know. It's like,

531
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, I wish I could talk to the other drivers,

532
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, do you see this? Do you see that?

533
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 1>But of course you can't do that, can't take a picture.

534
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>And it's very distinctive. And I've seen that happen twice.

535
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 1>And then I coming out of Indianapolis one evening. I'm

536
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>a yoga instructor or you know, I was. I'm not

537
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.519
<v Speaker 1>active now, but I was doing a training for my

538
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>yoga certification and I was coming out of Indianapolis on

539
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Michigan Road at night. The training was an evening event,

540
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:41.599
<v Speaker 1>and I was coming home. It was dark, and it

541
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>was near the Art Museum. I don't know if you

542
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>know how Indianapolis laid out. There's like a university there,

543
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 1>a religious university. I can't remember what it's called, but

544
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:54.359
<v Speaker 1>it's right across the museum on thirty hour Michigan Road.

545
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.240
<v Speaker 1>And I was a little waist down the road and

546
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.559
<v Speaker 1>there's kind of a spot where there's not a lot

547
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 1>of buildings, it's a lot of trees, and I'm driving

548
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>along and there was and it was a clear night.

549
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I could see the stars. It wasn't it wasn't real

550
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>cloudy or anything. But then all of a sudden, it

551
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:22.559
<v Speaker 1>was very very dark, and I looked. I looked out

552
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>my window and looked, you know, like through my front window,

553
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and it was like the sky just had disappeared. And

554
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>then and then I saw the lights like on a train.

555
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.039
<v Speaker 1>It was a triangle, and the lights on the points

556
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of a triangle lit up, and it was just hovering

557
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:48.119
<v Speaker 1>above me. And then it slowly took off and then

558
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:50.759
<v Speaker 1>it was gone. And then I saw the stars again.

559
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 1>I thought, this is so weird, you know, and I couldn't,

560
00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, what can you do? It's dark. I can't

561
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>to know way I'm going to get a picture of this.

562
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I wasn't going to stop my car.

563
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>It was enough because I thought about it. I thought,

564
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.319
<v Speaker 1>should I stop my car and get a good look

565
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>at this? But it really was no place for me

566
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 1>to stop. But there was no turn offs or anything

567
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>on that little stretch right before you get to where

568
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the businesses and shopping areas are not shopping areas but

569
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, strips of stores and stuff. Then it's more lit.

570
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 1>But I know what I So I've seen those things,

571
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, and so I don't you know, when people

572
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>tell me things that they've seen, I don't discount them,

573
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.279
<v Speaker 1>but I don't. Yeah, I don't really talk about it

574
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>too many people. I've told my kids and they believe me,

575
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:56.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, they think it's interesting. But yeah, something's definitely

576
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>out there. And as far as you know, people will say, well,

577
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like with Sasquatch, well why hasn't somebody seen it? You

578
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:06.839
<v Speaker 1>think we'd see them more. Well, they're not going to

579
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>come into They're not going to make themselves visible that much.

580
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.280
<v Speaker 1>It seems. My impression of the dog men or whatever

581
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you want to call them. They seem intelligent. So they're

582
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>not going to show up in town in broad daylight.

583
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>They're going to show up in town at night or

584
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>if they come into town for whatever reason, like little

585
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.280
<v Speaker 1>towns like mine's a small town, they're going to they're

586
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 1>not going to like make themselves known in broad daylight.

587
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:42.760
<v Speaker 1>And they're going to live in the woods. And when

588
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>you think of the number of people, very few people

589
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:51.920
<v Speaker 1>really go into the woods two do whatever. You know,

590
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>they might hunters go out into the woods. Uh, of course,

591
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.360
<v Speaker 1>fishermen like you're you know the man you talk who

592
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.199
<v Speaker 1>went fishing, But we don't really get out into the

593
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>woods much. You know, I did as a kid growing

594
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.719
<v Speaker 1>up in Missouri. I was in the woods all the time.

595
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean we lived you know, the woods were the wooded,

596
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>lots of woods. That was my backyard. You know. I

597
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>walked out and I went hiking to the creek and

598
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I was out there all the time as a kid.

599
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 1>But here, you know, and you go to your day

600
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.840
<v Speaker 1>to day life. You go to work, you do what

601
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you do. You know, you take care of your house,

602
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:32.039
<v Speaker 1>your you have children, you know, your pets. Whatever. You're

603
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 1>not getting out into the woods. Very few of us

604
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 1>really do that, but so we don't see what's going

605
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:47.199
<v Speaker 1>on out there. You know. It's like my dad told me,

606
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 1>in the mountains of North Carolina, you don't go out

607
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>in those woods at night unless you know what you're doing,

608
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 1>and you know, you just don't go out alone. There's

609
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>things out there you don't want to encounter.

610
00:35:58.159 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 2>He was.

611
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:05.320
<v Speaker 1>That's probably what he was talking about. So you know,

612
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 1>that's their place. It's not necessarily where we hang out,

613
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 1>not in our modern society anyway.

614
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 2>So I've noticed there's been a correlation with people that

615
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:23.880
<v Speaker 2>have had encounters with a bigfoot or a dog man

616
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 2>or a crypti or whatever. They've usually had an experience

617
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:31.639
<v Speaker 2>with a UFO. They've usually seen a UFO.

618
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I've seen them.

619
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:39.719
<v Speaker 2>They've also typically had some weird paranormal supernatural encounter. It's

620
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 2>almost as if once you have one experience, it makes

621
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:48.840
<v Speaker 2>you open to more. And I don't know what the

622
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.000
<v Speaker 2>one is that actually triggers it, but there's one that

623
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.480
<v Speaker 2>always stands out that makes you start noticing. Because I

624
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.440
<v Speaker 2>think we all have experiences throughout lives, but for the

625
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.920
<v Speaker 2>most part, I think we all just typically ignore them.

626
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you ignore them, or you rationalize them. You know,

627
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you reason that reason them out of your mind. M

628
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.079
<v Speaker 1>are you just you don't want to. I think a

629
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 1>lot of people, just if they do have experiences, they

630
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 1>don't They're afraid to talk about it. They're afraid to

631
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>be afraid of being belittled by others. I think that's

632
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 1>an issue. And they also they don't want to believe

633
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 1>it themselves. It's easier just to negate it. However you

634
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.559
<v Speaker 1>go about negating it, you just do that, you know.

635
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.320
<v Speaker 1>And like the first time I saw that which I

636
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 1>now would call a dog man, At the time, I

637
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what to call it. I just called it

638
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Speaker 1>a big wolf. But now that I've heard more about this,

639
00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, other people encountering things like this, so I

640
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:01.559
<v Speaker 1>do see, I must have it has to have been

641
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 1>a dogment. It was not a wolf, and it was

642
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.360
<v Speaker 1>it was too it wasn't it was way too big,

643
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's you know, I believe what I saw.

644
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.679
<v Speaker 1>But at this for all those years though, I just thought,

645
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 1>well maybe I you know, I just didn't know what

646
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 1>it was. I just I didn't know what I couldn't

647
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.159
<v Speaker 1>get validation of any type. So I just kind of like, well,

648
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I saw something, and I just kind of went about

649
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>your lot in my life.

650
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's hard to rationalize when you're seeing something

651
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 2>like that and you don't, Yeah, your mind doesn't go

652
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 2>right to the fact that this is something weird. Even

653
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 2>if it is weird, and you know it's weird, you

654
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 2>try and write it off as being.

655
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Normal, right right there, Yeah, even.

656
00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:59.559
<v Speaker 2>When your normal explanation is worse than just admitting the

657
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 2>news a something weird.

658
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, I saw something that was not a wolf,

659
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean I've heard of more, you know,

660
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the normal wolves are becoming more you know, prevalent in

661
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:22.800
<v Speaker 1>our country. So but I hadn't. That was my question

662
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>to that law enforcement officer, we are we having or

663
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>do we have wolves coming into Indiana now? And he said,

664
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.840
<v Speaker 1>oh no, no, no. I told him what I saw

665
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.119
<v Speaker 1>and he said, oh, you just saw coyote. Well, like

666
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.280
<v Speaker 1>I said, that was no coyote. The color was wrong,

667
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.639
<v Speaker 1>the size was wrong. I mean, coyote is just looks

668
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.280
<v Speaker 1>like leggy dogs. You know, they're not that big.

669
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 2>No, they're not even Like I have a golden doodle

670
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 2>that's a puppy. He's about six months old. And then

671
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I have an all white German Shepherd. She's four years old.

672
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I think she's a pretty big dog, right, But I

673
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 2>saw a coyote dead on the side of the road

674
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the other day, m h. And I'm like, they're not

675
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>as big as you think they are.

676
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.440
<v Speaker 1>They're not that big. No, no, I mean I think

677
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>that the biggest they get is about seventy five pounds,

678
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and my standard poodle is seventy five pounds, and that's

679
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a good sized dog. But you know,

680
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and I've had bigger dogs than him, but I've always

681
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>had big dogs. But you know, that's a big coyote.

682
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>A seventy five pound coyote is a big coyote. They're

683
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 1>usually not that big. I actually kind of looked into that.

684
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they usually top out it about sixty pounds.

685
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.039
<v Speaker 1>They're not that not that big, and they're leggy and

686
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:49.880
<v Speaker 1>scrawny looking.

687
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Wolves are actually bigger.

688
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 1>But right.

689
00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to say there aren't wolves around here,

690
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 2>because I know for sure that people do have hybrids.

691
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Well doesn't mean why of them hasn't gotten out, but true,

692
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I still don't think the size of a hybrid or

693
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.920
<v Speaker 2>a full on wolf would be big enough for some

694
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that people have told me about.

695
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh. No, I've lived in different parts of the country.

696
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I've been in Indiana for about twenty well twenty five,

697
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.519
<v Speaker 1>twenty six years, since my oldest son was born here.

698
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 1>But I also lived in upstate New York for a

699
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:39.519
<v Speaker 1>while and a friend of mine had a hybrid shepherd wolf,

700
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.639
<v Speaker 1>beautiful dog, and he was big, but he wasn't as

701
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:49.679
<v Speaker 1>big as what I saw, not nearly as big. This

702
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:54.159
<v Speaker 1>was a large animal, you know, the fact that its

703
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 1>body could it be, could extend the distance that it did,

704
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the way it balanced itself over that day as it

705
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>was eating. I mean, it was huge. It was huge

706
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>enough to me if that had been just a dog

707
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.199
<v Speaker 1>on the side of a road, or just even a

708
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>regular sized wolf, I probably would have been startled by

709
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 1>a wolf being there, but I wouldn't have slowed down.

710
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it made me slow down, you know what

711
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.559
<v Speaker 1>am I seeing? I wanted to get a good look

712
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>at it, but I wasn't going to stop. I mean,

713
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.519
<v Speaker 1>I had a child in the backseat. I wasn't you know,

714
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have put I didn't want to put myself

715
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 1>in danger, you know, but it didn't. It didn't run off,

716
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:43.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, a coyote. If it was a coyote, coyote

717
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.119
<v Speaker 1>probably would have run off.

718
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:47.559
<v Speaker 2>What I would think too.

719
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this just reared its head up and looked at me.

720
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:57.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, like this is just completely unfazed by me

721
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 1>slowing down looking at it. But it was striking at

722
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the time, you know.

723
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.199
<v Speaker 2>So the most recent one was about a month or

724
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:12.679
<v Speaker 2>so ago. You said another vehicle had to have seen it.

725
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the drive they had to have seen it.

726
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Because you said they hit their brakes.

727
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah, there's a stop sign there. It's a four

728
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 1>way stop, but it's it's like a lar it's a

729
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.159
<v Speaker 1>it's an odd the road's coming to it. They one

730
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>comes at an angle, so it's kind of a wide space,

731
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:35.679
<v Speaker 1>you know that you do if you know what I mean.

732
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:40.039
<v Speaker 1>It's not just a solid ninety degree angles. So there's

733
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 1>it's four roads coming together, but one. Like the fact

734
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.480
<v Speaker 1>that one comes at an angle, it makes it like

735
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.760
<v Speaker 1>a bigger intersection. So you stop, you're stopping aways That

736
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 1>car stopped. I think I think it stopped, is my feeling,

737
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 1>because it slammed on its brakes. It was in the

738
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 1>middle of the intersection and it, you know, started up

739
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.679
<v Speaker 1>and then stop suddenly to the point that I heard

740
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:09.559
<v Speaker 1>it stop, turn around and saw that creature run across

741
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:14.280
<v Speaker 1>that intersection in that silhouette look with the street lights,

742
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:18.559
<v Speaker 1>you know. And like I said, it wasn't a human.

743
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.199
<v Speaker 1>That was no human. How tall humans don't have legs

744
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:23.559
<v Speaker 1>like that.

745
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.320
<v Speaker 2>How tall do you think it was?

746
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I would say, I'd say, I mean, if I put

747
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.760
<v Speaker 1>a man, and that's probably a six foot man as

748
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.159
<v Speaker 1>a reference, I would say seven feet.

749
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to think. You said the legs and

750
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 2>everything were not a person, but no, I've tried to

751
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>rationalize the thing that I had seen as someone on

752
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a werewolf costume before, because.

753
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.360
<v Speaker 1>And they had the end and also the arms were

754
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.679
<v Speaker 1>really long, okay, you know, they were like hanging down,

755
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:10.559
<v Speaker 1>and it was hunched that hunched over, you know, like

756
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 1>like the character in Harry Potter when he turns into

757
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.079
<v Speaker 1>the wear he has that hunched over look when he

758
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:20.039
<v Speaker 1>stands over his behind legs. And it ran very and

759
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:24.440
<v Speaker 1>it scaled that intersection very quickly. But I got a

760
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:27.000
<v Speaker 1>good look at it, a good look of the silhouette

761
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:33.880
<v Speaker 1>of it running, and you know, and I noticed immediately that, Gee,

762
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Speaker 1>my dogs aren't barking at this. This is not normal.

763
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 1>They're staying quiet, you know.

764
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember the exact time frame. I actually believe

765
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.960
<v Speaker 2>this was in the eighties, but someone had come up

766
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 2>to one of the events that I was speaking at

767
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and they were talking to me and they said that

768
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:04.159
<v Speaker 2>it was down off of the Highway eighteen. You're twenty eight,

769
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.760
<v Speaker 2>and I'm pretty sure they said it was an all

770
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:18.639
<v Speaker 2>white both run across the road on two legs. Interesting

771
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:24.519
<v Speaker 2>for me, that's like, you don't hear all white too often.

772
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I had an episode recently about a female that was

773
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be all white. But that's an interesting story.

774
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:38.920
<v Speaker 2>We'll just leave it at that one. But the I said,

775
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I've talked to several people here since I've been trying

776
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 2>to find more information regarding this in the surrounding areas.

777
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I went to a couple of different events where I've

778
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.800
<v Speaker 2>spoke about this to try and see if others would

779
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:51.679
<v Speaker 2>come up and talk about it, because there is a

780
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 2>lot of weird stuff that goes on around here, and

781
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, I was just as guilty. But no

782
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 2>one wants to talk about it, right right. I know,

783
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 2>there's the stigma to it. I get it.

784
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well people think, you know, people just want to

785
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.679
<v Speaker 1>blow off things they don't understand. And I'm more curious,

786
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 1>and you know, yeah, I know there's more out there

787
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 1>than there's things out there we don't know about. The

788
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.679
<v Speaker 1>World's a big place. I mean, like there's things down

789
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 1>in the ocean that we have no clue about because nobody,

790
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we don't know it's down there. Same in

791
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the sky. I mean it's you know, I guess I'm

792
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.639
<v Speaker 1>My viewpoint is like a friend of mine put it

793
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.400
<v Speaker 1>one time. You know, people say you have to prove

794
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>it's real. We'll prove it's not real. Right. It's just

795
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:51.360
<v Speaker 1>as hard to do either way. You know, you can't

796
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:56.840
<v Speaker 1>if somebody says they experienced something, I believe them. You know,

797
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>why would you. You're not going to get anything from

798
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.639
<v Speaker 1>lying about it or making things So I guess people

799
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 1>get attention for making things up. But you know, uh,

800
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I just keep an open mind. I guess about other

801
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.880
<v Speaker 1>what people tell me, and try to keep an open

802
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:18.039
<v Speaker 1>mind about my experiences. But I'm the first one to

803
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 1>sit there and rationalize. I thought, oh, there has to

804
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>be a logical explanation, kind of thing. But there was

805
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.559
<v Speaker 1>no There was no logic that it can explain what

806
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 1>I saw in two thousand and one. It just, you know,

807
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 1>that was it was no coyote, and it was bigger.

808
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.760
<v Speaker 1>That was an awful big wolf. And the way that

809
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 1>it's it was like balancing itself, and it was so

810
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:45.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, its body was the length of that ditch

811
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and as long as the width of that ditch. You know,

812
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:53.679
<v Speaker 1>it was a pretty big space between you know, balancing

813
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:55.880
<v Speaker 1>on the edge of that field and getting up to

814
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.159
<v Speaker 1>that roadkill on the side of the road like that,

815
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.559
<v Speaker 1>and it was just eating. And the fact that it

816
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.639
<v Speaker 1>didn't run like you said, it didn't run or I said,

817
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.440
<v Speaker 1>it didn't run off when I slowed down. It just

818
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:14.079
<v Speaker 1>it was completely unintimidated by me. Most animals will run

819
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:18.320
<v Speaker 1>off when a car slows down nearby or even goes by.

820
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.599
<v Speaker 1>Didn't do that, So.

821
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It's almost as if it wasn't afraid. It had no

822
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:28.360
<v Speaker 2>reason to be afraid.

823
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not intimidated by me at all. It wasn't.

824
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think so at all.

825
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Which in itself is strange. But I talked to a

826
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.440
<v Speaker 2>lady back in the summer, and she was from southern Indiana,

827
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:48.119
<v Speaker 2>and she had said that she had seen hey werewolf

828
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:50.840
<v Speaker 2>drinking from a fountain.

829
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh, for heaven's sakes, that would be something.

830
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:58.599
<v Speaker 2>It was drinking the water up out of one of

831
00:49:58.639 --> 00:49:59.719
<v Speaker 2>someone's yard fountain.

832
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Interesting. So it was in somebody's yard.

833
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:07.920
<v Speaker 2>It was either in a yard or a park. But

834
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>they drove by her and her husband I think drove

835
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 2>by it or boyfriend or whatever it was at the time,

836
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 2>and they turned around I think, went back and it

837
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:15.760
<v Speaker 2>was still there.

838
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

839
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:22.320
<v Speaker 2>So and I think they both saw it. It's weird

840
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>again when you there's been so many different versions of

841
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.719
<v Speaker 2>stories and everything about these things having some sort of

842
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 2>supernatural abilities or not flesh and blood. They're not here.

843
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:38.800
<v Speaker 2>But then why are they eating? Someone says they don't

844
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.480
<v Speaker 2>actually eat, They just make it themselves, see like they do.

845
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, that doesn't make any source of

846
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:44.320
<v Speaker 2>why would you pretend to be eating?

847
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, yeah, why would you pretend to be eating?

848
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 1>And also why can't they just be flesh and blood?

849
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Why do they have to be something ethereal or esoteric?

850
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:00.719
<v Speaker 1>You know?

851
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that goes back to the fact that there's

852
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:11.559
<v Speaker 2>been no bodies. There's been No, there's been no proof

853
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 2>of a dead animal, like, no one's actually ran one

854
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.519
<v Speaker 2>over unlested it walks out in front of me again,

855
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 2>then I'll be the first one that does, because I'm

856
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.480
<v Speaker 2>said that before. I'm going to run it over. So

857
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I have my proof.

858
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.440
<v Speaker 1>So you can get it if you could just be

859
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:26.599
<v Speaker 1>hoping that if you don't kill it, though, it might

860
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:27.440
<v Speaker 1>get kind of angry.

861
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I guess if it gets angry, then I'll know for

862
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:31.800
<v Speaker 2>a few seconds what it was.

863
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go.

864
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I can die with answers.

865
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, there is some postings online. There's pictures of supposedly

866
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:46.079
<v Speaker 1>what they say is a dog men body and it's

867
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.599
<v Speaker 1>like laying on the back of a truck. It's pretty big.

868
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually that is a prop from a movie.

869
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Actually I know, I know the person that's made it.

870
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.760
<v Speaker 2>He's actually been in a Reddit group that I've been

871
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:03.400
<v Speaker 2>heard of for dog Man and well it is his artwork,

872
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 2>stuff that they're making for a movie prop and people

873
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.079
<v Speaker 2>used it and stole it, saying it was real when

874
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:09.559
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't.

875
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, well.

876
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 2>It looks really good. But he does he supposedly made

877
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.400
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. He sent He's posted up behind the

878
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.679
<v Speaker 2>scene photos of how they made all that stuff.

879
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:23.760
<v Speaker 1>So okay, well that's disappointing. Well I thought I just

880
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:28.639
<v Speaker 1>assumed it was real, But yeah, it's that's true. They

881
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.920
<v Speaker 1>haven't found any bodies of it, But you know, do

882
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 1>we always find bodies of all of the other animals

883
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:38.800
<v Speaker 1>that die in the wild. I mean that we don't

884
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:39.440
<v Speaker 1>even see.

885
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:43.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you talk to hunters, and I've done

886
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 2>this before and it might make some of them angry,

887
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:51.079
<v Speaker 2>but I don't really care when people say these things

888
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:55.320
<v Speaker 2>don't exist because you've never found a body. How often

889
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:57.840
<v Speaker 2>have these hunters that say these things don't exist because

890
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:59.679
<v Speaker 2>they're in the woods all the time. How many times

891
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.159
<v Speaker 2>did they have come across a.

892
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Bear carcass right exactly?

893
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Or a mountain lion carcass. I'm using I'm using the

894
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:14.159
<v Speaker 2>predator type animals as a thing because it's very rare

895
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 2>that you ever hear someone having that. So where do

896
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:17.639
<v Speaker 2>they go?

897
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 1>You don't where do they go? I mean they probably

898
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:27.159
<v Speaker 1>get eaten by you know, vultures. The carcass just gets

899
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:29.920
<v Speaker 1>consumed by other creatures.

900
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 2>You might run across the random bone here and there,

901
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:34.119
<v Speaker 2>but you're just going to think it's just a normal

902
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:35.840
<v Speaker 2>animal and not thinking much of us.

903
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:38.400
<v Speaker 1>About it, right, right, So you can't really use that

904
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 1>as an explanation. Yeah, there's you can't just write off

905
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:48.000
<v Speaker 1>because and that you know with that explanation, I don't

906
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.679
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't Yeah, you're right, you don't come across the

907
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:54.400
<v Speaker 1>cougar carcass. I don't know what happens to them. Well,

908
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:58.840
<v Speaker 1>they deteriorate their rot, you know, are they get eaten.

909
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:03.800
<v Speaker 1>That's the nature of the wild things get eaten.

910
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:06.880
<v Speaker 2>There's so much out there that we don't know about.

911
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.639
<v Speaker 2>That could be right again, even if you just want,

912
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.199
<v Speaker 2>how often you ever just come acar across a skeleton

913
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.159
<v Speaker 2>or a carcass of any animal?

914
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:23.920
<v Speaker 1>You don't exactly, you don't, You don't, you know, you know,

915
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.039
<v Speaker 1>especially if you're in town. You know you might see roadkill.

916
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:29.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, you see a squirrel that's been hit by

917
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.840
<v Speaker 1>a car. But you know, they don't just stay there

918
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:35.400
<v Speaker 1>while the city comes and cleans them up easily usually.

919
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:38.960
<v Speaker 1>But you know, one thing, and I've thought about too,

920
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 1>is you're kind of getting away from that aspect of

921
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:48.079
<v Speaker 1>it is the Michigan encounters. I mean, Michigan seems to

922
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:55.320
<v Speaker 1>be just dense with it as far as the you know,

923
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:01.039
<v Speaker 1>the dog men and but and it makes sense that

924
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:06.639
<v Speaker 1>they'd be up there. There's so much you know, more

925
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:12.880
<v Speaker 1>open country up there, especially when you go up north, and.

926
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:15.159
<v Speaker 2>That's where they originated from. What the term dog man

927
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:17.360
<v Speaker 2>because I think in the nineteen eighties they had that

928
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 2>song and it was talking about a dog man is

929
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:23.639
<v Speaker 2>around Halloween time. It was kind of a joke and

930
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>people started calling into the radio station reporting seeing these things.

931
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:28.960
<v Speaker 3>MM.

932
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.039
<v Speaker 2>So the people that did it did it as a joke,

933
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.760
<v Speaker 2>but apparently there was actually people out there that were like, no,

934
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I've been seeing this stuff. I'm glad someone said something

935
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 2>about it.

936
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, probably the maybe it was originated as a joke,

937
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:46.519
<v Speaker 1>but that could be the joke kind of got inspired

938
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.639
<v Speaker 1>by what people had seen. Right. So, but you know,

939
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:52.639
<v Speaker 1>there's no reason to believe that they're just going to

940
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.800
<v Speaker 1>stay in Michigan and not come down in Indiana. We're

941
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:57.719
<v Speaker 1>not that far away.

942
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Native Americans around the country have different variations of their

943
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:10.119
<v Speaker 2>old supernatural legends or whatever you want to call the lures.

944
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Like right, they had window goes more. I think that's

945
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Speaker 2>a I love, it's a cree things. I don't want

946
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.880
<v Speaker 2>to start picking things apart. But I know, like skin

947
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.199
<v Speaker 2>walkers is a term that the Navajos use for like

948
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:25.840
<v Speaker 2>when they're medicine men, witch doctors or whatever you want

949
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:30.760
<v Speaker 2>to call them, would turn into these things, right, Why

950
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:32.360
<v Speaker 2>were they talking about stuff like that?

951
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Though? Yeah, well, yeah, that's a good question.

952
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:39.159
<v Speaker 2>What started those stories from the Native Americans? Something had

953
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:41.320
<v Speaker 2>to influence that. I've said this about all sorts of

954
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:44.920
<v Speaker 2>lures when it comes to the old stories, like why

955
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:47.559
<v Speaker 2>were people talking about where wolves in Europe a thousand

956
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:48.079
<v Speaker 2>years ago?

957
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

958
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like those stories are not just modern like

959
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:56.199
<v Speaker 2>those have been around for a long time.

960
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, there's I think myths are they're not untrue.

961
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:08.199
<v Speaker 1>They're based on people's experiences. They're based on real events

962
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:11.039
<v Speaker 1>or real experiences that people had. You know, I don't

963
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't. You know, I give a lot of credibility

964
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:18.760
<v Speaker 1>to myths and legends and stories, and you know, yeah,

965
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:19.320
<v Speaker 1>there's a.

966
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Couple there's a couple of things that I've try to

967
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 2>bring up here and there every once in a while

968
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:29.400
<v Speaker 2>to people have had these experiences and try to look

969
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 2>into things.

970
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, like.

971
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:35.679
<v Speaker 2>Look at the old grim fairy tales. For the most part,

972
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:37.719
<v Speaker 2>what was one of the what was one of the

973
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:42.559
<v Speaker 2>main bad guys of those stories, the big bad.

974
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Wolf, right, the big bad wolf exactly.

975
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, in the story of Red Riding Hood. What did

976
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:55.519
<v Speaker 2>the Big bad Wolf do? Well, he impersonated a person

977
00:57:56.039 --> 00:58:00.519
<v Speaker 2>he ate Grandma and dressed like her, right, right, So

978
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:03.840
<v Speaker 2>that's a wolf that can wear people clothing, and so

979
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:05.239
<v Speaker 2>it's like a wear wolf.

980
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:07.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

981
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:12.320
<v Speaker 2>And then you had the three Little Pigs the wolves. Yeah,

982
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:14.119
<v Speaker 2>the wolf was the bad guy in that, and he

983
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:16.480
<v Speaker 2>would huff and puff and blow their house down. You

984
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:18.199
<v Speaker 2>go on to the next one. But one of the

985
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:22.079
<v Speaker 2>things that he said was little pig, little pig, let

986
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.679
<v Speaker 2>me in. And I've heard another interview and I don't

987
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.840
<v Speaker 2>know where it was, but someone said this thing was

988
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:30.760
<v Speaker 2>tapping on the window and telling him to let it in.

989
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Right.

990
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 2>The let it in thing, for me sounds very much

991
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:39.239
<v Speaker 2>demonic in a sense, poor vampire like it, because you

992
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:41.440
<v Speaker 2>have to invite it in. If something's that big and

993
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:43.039
<v Speaker 2>it's out there and it wants to come in, why

994
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:44.039
<v Speaker 2>couldn't it just bust through the.

995
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Window, right, That's true. Yeah, that is a good question.

996
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And you I've listened to some encounters where they people

997
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.760
<v Speaker 1>say they're tapped on the window. I get that would

998
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:59.800
<v Speaker 1>freak me out, but yeah, because then you're not safe

999
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:02.039
<v Speaker 1>and your own space. If you don't feel it threatens

1000
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:04.599
<v Speaker 1>your own safety and it intimidates you.

1001
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.679
<v Speaker 2>Other people have tried to say, well, they don't understand

1002
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:12.119
<v Speaker 2>how doors and windows actually are. Well, if they're smart

1003
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:16.719
<v Speaker 2>enough to tap on the window, I'm sure they can

1004
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:20.000
<v Speaker 2>know it breaks, especially if it has the ability to

1005
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:21.840
<v Speaker 2>telepathically tell you to let it in.

1006
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm.

1007
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:29.360
<v Speaker 2>So to me, like that's where I start to wander

1008
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:33.199
<v Speaker 2>with the whole flesh and blood aspect to it, Like,

1009
00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:38.079
<v Speaker 2>if it has those abilities, I don't necessarily think it's

1010
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:42.079
<v Speaker 2>just a normal animal because biologically it can't. It doesn't

1011
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:44.400
<v Speaker 2>make any sort of sense as to how it could

1012
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:49.320
<v Speaker 2>be anyways, And then you start adding into supernatural elements

1013
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:51.840
<v Speaker 2>of mind speak and everything else. To me, then you're

1014
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 2>starting to get into that whole WU factor over here

1015
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:57.519
<v Speaker 2>to where it's kind of a little strange.

1016
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I mean I didn't have that kind of

1017
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:03.199
<v Speaker 1>encounter with what I saw. I didn't feel I mean,

1018
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:05.239
<v Speaker 1>they weren't. I didn't feel like I was being communicated

1019
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:11.519
<v Speaker 1>to on a psychic level, you know, I mean I

1020
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:14.039
<v Speaker 1>probably have more psychic connection with my own dogs, but

1021
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 1>that's just because I know them. But yeah, I didn't

1022
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.320
<v Speaker 1>have that experience. And you do hear people say they

1023
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:23.840
<v Speaker 1>have that experience that they you know, they had the

1024
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:30.039
<v Speaker 1>sense of fear before they even saw anything, and that

1025
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:36.320
<v Speaker 1>is interesting. So yeah, but the creature that I saw

1026
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:43.840
<v Speaker 1>was eating. It's just so, I mean, maybe they could

1027
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:46.679
<v Speaker 1>the whole parallel universe thing.

1028
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:49.599
<v Speaker 2>They could interdimensional.

1029
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Right, interdimensional in this dimension though, but while they're here,

1030
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:58.079
<v Speaker 1>they have to eat, right, so they still have to eat.

1031
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:00.360
<v Speaker 2>What if they come here to eat?

1032
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Could be? That could be.

1033
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's a lot of questions. And again,

1034
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I don't have any answers. I'm just

1035
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:14.360
<v Speaker 2>a guy with a microphone. But I try and search

1036
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:16.639
<v Speaker 2>for things like that. I'm searching for a truth. That's

1037
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:17.719
<v Speaker 2>why I do what I do. I don't know if

1038
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll ever find it or not, but that's what I'm

1039
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:20.559
<v Speaker 2>out here doing.

1040
01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, that's what I do every day, try to

1041
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:25.599
<v Speaker 1>find out what the truth of things is. In a

1042
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:27.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of aspects of our lives, trying to find out

1043
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.239
<v Speaker 1>what the truth is. There's so much that we humans

1044
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:35.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know, even those of us who try to find

1045
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.639
<v Speaker 1>out things, to find out what the truth is. There's

1046
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:40.559
<v Speaker 1>always something you don't you don't know.

1047
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:43.679
<v Speaker 2>That's probably by design.

1048
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by design, But yeah, I do believe there's things

1049
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:53.800
<v Speaker 1>out there I do, you know. And what I saw

1050
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:57.719
<v Speaker 1>was not normal. Call it weird. It was just not

1051
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:04.599
<v Speaker 1>It's not what we're accustomed to seeing, you know, you know,

1052
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:08.079
<v Speaker 1>And each time I the two you know, the first thing,

1053
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:11.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, people call them encounters. It's they're not like

1054
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:14.119
<v Speaker 1>they're encounters. And I don't feel like I encountered them.

1055
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:20.559
<v Speaker 1>I saw them, you know, I didn't have right, I didn't.

1056
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:23.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, an encounter to me is walking through the

1057
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:26.039
<v Speaker 1>woods and coming around to Ben and there it is.

1058
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:27.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this, it's right in front of you. That's

1059
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:31.719
<v Speaker 1>an encounter. The people that have been you know, some

1060
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:35.320
<v Speaker 1>people have been terrorized by these things, like you said,

1061
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:41.280
<v Speaker 1>banging on the windows or even you know, threatening them,

1062
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 1>some real negative experiences. But then some people they see

1063
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:49.920
<v Speaker 1>them and they you know, they're not they're afraid, but

1064
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:54.519
<v Speaker 1>they're not harmed or you know, directly threatened by the

1065
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.559
<v Speaker 1>creature in any way. But some people really have been

1066
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and I, you know, I kind of wonder why they

1067
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:04.679
<v Speaker 1>had those kind of experiences. So, and that's another thing too.

1068
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like there's different personalities to these creatures. Some of

1069
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:15.199
<v Speaker 1>them just mind your at their own business. They see

1070
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.079
<v Speaker 1>people and then they don't threaten them at all, and

1071
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:20.079
<v Speaker 1>then they just go away. But then some people are

1072
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:23.480
<v Speaker 1>actually feel like they're hunted by them, and you know,

1073
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:29.360
<v Speaker 1>so there's different personalities in these creatures. Not some not

1074
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 1>so nice, and some they just don't really bother you.

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01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:35.559
<v Speaker 2>And that could be just like people too.

1076
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:41.239
<v Speaker 1>True. And you hear the same thing about sasquatch. There

1077
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.840
<v Speaker 1>are some sasquash that are really very you know, frightening

1078
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and some but for the most part they're not. You know,

1079
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't say either way the ones I saw, if

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01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.360
<v Speaker 1>the ones I saw, you know what they were like

1081
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the one that we eating, if I had been not

1082
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.719
<v Speaker 1>in a car, I don't think I would have felt

1083
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 1>very safe. For one thing, it was eating. I mean,

1084
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.360
<v Speaker 1>any wild animal is eating. You don't want to you

1085
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:13.960
<v Speaker 1>don't want to bother them. That's not a good time

1086
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to to be around them because they're going to feel

1087
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.599
<v Speaker 1>threatened that you're going to take their food away.

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01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:26.159
<v Speaker 2>So did that one have pointed ears.

1089
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:31.119
<v Speaker 1>It did kind of like like a wolf, not as

1090
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:34.760
<v Speaker 1>not as big as I've had a shepherd mix that

1091
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:36.360
<v Speaker 1>had the point of ears, not as big as a

1092
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:40.840
<v Speaker 1>shepherd's ears as far as in relation to it's head,

1093
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:43.159
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It was more like lower

1094
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 1>pointed ears. But then there was a lot of fur

1095
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:50.639
<v Speaker 1>around it too, so I yeah, kind of had the

1096
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:54.480
<v Speaker 1>chow like look about it. And the shepherd mix that

1097
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I had was a shepherd chow mix, a great dog.

1098
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:04.840
<v Speaker 1>She was the best dog ever that I acquired, you know,

1099
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:10.079
<v Speaker 1>and she had more shepherd type years, but she had

1100
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:11.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of fur around her face,

1101
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.119
<v Speaker 1>but not quite as much as the full blooded chow.

1102
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.519
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, what I saw had that chow fur around

1103
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.159
<v Speaker 1>the face, around the head rather not the face, but

1104
01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:22.599
<v Speaker 1>the head.

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01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:29.079
<v Speaker 2>The thing that I saw looked like a large black wolf,

1106
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:32.559
<v Speaker 2>but it had very puffy fur like a child.

1107
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what this one looked like. It wasn't black though,

1108
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:42.599
<v Speaker 1>it was more gray, kind of grayish like a you know,

1109
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:46.039
<v Speaker 1>not had like like there was different colors mixed into

1110
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:53.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, it was beautiful in a way. It

1111
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:57.360
<v Speaker 1>was really pretty, you know. But then I love animals,

1112
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:03.639
<v Speaker 1>so and but but yeah, the teeth were I mean,

1113
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:05.480
<v Speaker 1>it was bearing its teeth at me because it was

1114
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:07.719
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of eating. I didn't think it was

1115
01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.360
<v Speaker 1>trying to frighten me. It just its mouth was open.

1116
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:14.039
<v Speaker 1>It had whatever it was eating in its mouth, and

1117
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:15.079
<v Speaker 1>there was you know.

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01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Was its eyes reflecting the lights that I can't remember.

1119
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that as much. I mean, it just

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01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:28.639
<v Speaker 1>looked at me. Its eyes were dark.

1121
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

1122
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:32.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, you hear about those red eyes or the

1123
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:34.639
<v Speaker 1>yellow eyes. It wasn't like that. They were just kind

1124
01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 1>of dark. Just that didn't that didn't know, Okay, I

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01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:44.519
<v Speaker 1>couldn't say that.

1126
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.000
<v Speaker 2>So usually always hear about the glowing eyes. And yeah,

1127
01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:50.199
<v Speaker 2>even the thing I saw its eyes, I say they

1128
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:53.519
<v Speaker 2>weren't glowing. They were, but they weren't because my headlights

1129
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:55.760
<v Speaker 2>were shining on the guy with me. The headlights were

1130
01:06:55.760 --> 01:06:58.559
<v Speaker 2>shining on it. So the headlights.

1131
01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Shining, and plus you know, it was it was daylight.

1132
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:07.599
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't dark, yea. So it was morning morning light.

1133
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:12.480
<v Speaker 2>So so in broad daylight, you basically got a better

1134
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.679
<v Speaker 2>look out of it when anyone else would have gotten anyways,

1135
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:17.840
<v Speaker 2>because it's in daylight. And that's the thing that for

1136
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:21.599
<v Speaker 2>coyote purposes kind of eliminates that in my opinion, because

1137
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:22.480
<v Speaker 2>they're more nocturnal.

1138
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they're more.

1139
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Out during the night rather than the day.

1140
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:32.679
<v Speaker 1>Right, Right, This was morning, Yeah, so early morning, and

1141
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:37.320
<v Speaker 1>it was you know, the sun had you know, was up,

1142
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I was driving away from the sun, so,

1143
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:45.559
<v Speaker 1>but it was the day was clear, but there was

1144
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:49.320
<v Speaker 1>it had you know. Yeah, you springtime, it rains the

1145
01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:52.239
<v Speaker 1>day before and then the next day it's clear, but

1146
01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:55.119
<v Speaker 1>there's still that dampness and that hovering of that mist

1147
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:58.280
<v Speaker 1>over the fields. That's that's what I remember seeing. I

1148
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:02.719
<v Speaker 1>remember that very distinctly. And but the daylight, it was

1149
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:07.119
<v Speaker 1>a clear morning and yeah, it was out in broad daylight,

1150
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:11.000
<v Speaker 1>just having breakfast on the side of the road, you know,

1151
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:13.920
<v Speaker 1>and it was huge. It's huge.

1152
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Ever since that day though, it's kind of changed your perspective,

1153
01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:19.520
<v Speaker 2>hasn't it.

1154
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I would say so.

1155
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't understand how it does it for everyone else.

1156
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:31.119
<v Speaker 2>I just know for me personally and from other people

1157
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.279
<v Speaker 2>that I've talked to, like it's almost like an awakening

1158
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:36.359
<v Speaker 2>that there's some thing out there and we don't really

1159
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 2>know what.

1160
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.319
<v Speaker 1>It is, right that we don't Yeah, we don't know

1161
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:43.119
<v Speaker 1>what it is, and I just kind of accepted I

1162
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.439
<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to find anybody who could tell me anything.

1163
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I tried to find somebody to give me information that

1164
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I thought might know, and you know, it was just

1165
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:53.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of blown off. And you know, he didn't you know,

1166
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:56.119
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't rude about it. He just oh, it's just coyote.

1167
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:57.880
<v Speaker 1>It's nothing, you know, and I s, yeah, it was

1168
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.640
<v Speaker 1>a coyote. But it was when I started listening to

1169
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:09.079
<v Speaker 1>dog Men Encounters and other podcasts, but mainly dog Man Encounters,

1170
01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:13.920
<v Speaker 1>that I thought, well, that's what I saw. It was

1171
01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:15.239
<v Speaker 1>the first time I listened to it. I don't know

1172
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.319
<v Speaker 1>how I came across it. I wasn't looking for it.

1173
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:21.119
<v Speaker 1>It just came up on, you know, something I was.

1174
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:23.640
<v Speaker 1>I was watching something else on YouTube, I think, and

1175
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:25.800
<v Speaker 1>that there it was, and I thought, you know, what's that?

1176
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.079
<v Speaker 1>And so I listened to it and then that's exist

1177
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and I thought, well, that's exactly what I saw.

1178
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:37.720
<v Speaker 2>VIC show because someone reached out to me because someone

1179
01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:40.359
<v Speaker 2>from my area had an encounter. So I listened to

1180
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:43.399
<v Speaker 2>that episode and that's how I got in contact with

1181
01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:48.520
<v Speaker 2>a VIC. But that is one of those things again,

1182
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:51.000
<v Speaker 2>like one of the area that that person had their

1183
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:53.359
<v Speaker 2>experience at. I also have on my map, which is

1184
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:55.720
<v Speaker 2>also in the same general areas, so the other things

1185
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.119
<v Speaker 2>around here. Like I said, so there's like four or

1186
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:03.560
<v Speaker 2>five different events have happened, at least in my close proximity.

1187
01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:11.960
<v Speaker 1>M HM said, I wish I could find the the website,

1188
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.560
<v Speaker 1>and I was almost certain I found it through the

1189
01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:19.000
<v Speaker 1>dog Man Encounters website where there was like a map

1190
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and it was a national map, and it had like

1191
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:27.600
<v Speaker 1>the little marks on the map to tell you where

1192
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:31.479
<v Speaker 1>people had reported dog Man and there were few in Indiana,

1193
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.359
<v Speaker 1>and the one that I click on it and it

1194
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:36.399
<v Speaker 1>tells you where it's at, and it was in Forest

1195
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:40.319
<v Speaker 1>and Forrest is just outside of Frankfurt. It's a little

1196
01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:45.039
<v Speaker 1>little dinky you know. They're not even a stop sign there.

1197
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:48.479
<v Speaker 1>It's a what do you call that kind of town,

1198
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:55.800
<v Speaker 1>like a a grain elevator town, and there's nothing there,

1199
01:10:56.439 --> 01:11:01.239
<v Speaker 1>but there's one they say there, And I thought, well,

1200
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:03.720
<v Speaker 1>that's or has at some point in time there had

1201
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:06.640
<v Speaker 1>been an encounter reported there, and that's just real close

1202
01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:09.640
<v Speaker 1>to Frankfort. So I thought, well, there's no reason why

1203
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:14.840
<v Speaker 1>what I saw isn't a dog man, I'm sure they

1204
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:16.920
<v Speaker 1>get around. You know, they're going to move around. They're

1205
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:20.960
<v Speaker 1>not going to just stay in one place. And if

1206
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:24.000
<v Speaker 1>you look at that field, beyond that field, there's a

1207
01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:27.199
<v Speaker 1>lot of trees in the beyond the field, there's a

1208
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's some areas of trees, so they could

1209
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:35.039
<v Speaker 1>hide out in there. There's water sources not far away.

1210
01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:38.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, all those things that would attract them to

1211
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:44.720
<v Speaker 1>that area, you know, and plenty of wildlife that they

1212
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:52.000
<v Speaker 1>could eat. So so if it just makes sense that

1213
01:11:52.079 --> 01:11:54.319
<v Speaker 1>they'd be there. And the same with around Frankfort. There's

1214
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot of you know, there's a lot of farm

1215
01:11:57.159 --> 01:11:58.960
<v Speaker 1>land around this, but there are a lot of wooded

1216
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:03.119
<v Speaker 1>areas near and there's plenty of water the Wabash River,

1217
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:08.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, Prairie Creek runs through town. There's plenty of things,

1218
01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:11.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, and there's plenty of wildlife right here in town. Squirrels,

1219
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.600
<v Speaker 1>there's raccoons, possums, you know all the time.

1220
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:21.079
<v Speaker 2>How far were you from the river where this thing was.

1221
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:33.279
<v Speaker 1>The first time? Both, Yeah, Well, there's Prairie Creek runs

1222
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:37.439
<v Speaker 1>right where I saw where the car stopped. There's a

1223
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.680
<v Speaker 1>little park beyond there, and there's a dog park back

1224
01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.840
<v Speaker 1>there too, where I take my dogs. And there's a

1225
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:47.119
<v Speaker 1>creek that runs right there. It's right there, right by

1226
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:51.439
<v Speaker 1>that road, right by the intersection. So and that runs

1227
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:54.920
<v Speaker 1>all the way through town as far as Mulberry. I

1228
01:12:55.000 --> 01:13:02.359
<v Speaker 1>know there's I want to say, is it just Sugar

1229
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:04.439
<v Speaker 1>Creek runs through there? I can't remember there is a

1230
01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:08.159
<v Speaker 1>creek back beyond those fields, so I can't remember which

1231
01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:13.800
<v Speaker 1>one it is. Of course, the Wabash River is all along.

1232
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:19.159
<v Speaker 1>There's typically you know, Yeah, the Wabash rivers around and there.

1233
01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd have to I can't. I'd have to look at

1234
01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:23.520
<v Speaker 1>a map to tell you. But there's water all around there.

1235
01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:28.279
<v Speaker 2>If you happen to get a chance, m and you

1236
01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:31.520
<v Speaker 2>can pinpoint it on a map, you can email that

1237
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:34.399
<v Speaker 2>to me. Because again I'm gonna I'm taking all these locations.

1238
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:39.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing the whole little conspiracy crazy person here, but

1239
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing the corkboard with the little red lines and

1240
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm mapping out everything.

1241
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I could do that. Yeah, figure out how to

1242
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:51.560
<v Speaker 1>get a map up and yeah, yeah, I could do that.

1243
01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And the one, the first one I saw really wasn't

1244
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:58.279
<v Speaker 1>in Frankfury, was more in Mulberry, you know, where Mulberry.

1245
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Is there is I know the name. I have to

1246
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:02.239
<v Speaker 2>look on my.

1247
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Map, basically between Frankfort and and.

1248
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Lafia. Yeah, I was just down through there not longer.

1249
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I had to go to Crawford ZI. I was at

1250
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:16.680
<v Speaker 2>one of those conventions they had going on down there.

1251
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:20.119
<v Speaker 2>So I just drove through that area recently. And I

1252
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:22.760
<v Speaker 2>had some work stuff in Frankfort not long ago. So

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in Frankfort not too long back.

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01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know in Crawfordsville's not far west of here, Yeah,

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01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:33.079
<v Speaker 1>not far at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was going to say, if you have anything

1257
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:38.720
<v Speaker 2>else we can talk about, but if not, we can

1258
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:40.760
<v Speaker 2>probably wrap this up. We've been going on for over

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<v Speaker 2>an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah sounds good. Sounds good. Yeah, yeah, I feel like

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01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:48.319
<v Speaker 1>we pretty much covered it. Yeah. I just had the

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01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:51.319
<v Speaker 1>two experiences. But m so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I appreciate you.

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01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:56.399
<v Speaker 1>I hope I've been helpful.

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01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:59.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh you have. I definitely appreciate talking with you. I'm

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01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:01.640
<v Speaker 2>always I had to hear from a fellow who's your

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01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:04.119
<v Speaker 2>especially one that's not that far away.

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01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it happened, Yeah, and I was That's why

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01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I think you must I don't know was I were

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01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:11.760
<v Speaker 1>you interviewed by Vic.

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01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I was on Vic's show because I actually heard. I

1272
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:18.119
<v Speaker 2>reached out to Vic originally because I was trying to

1273
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:21.479
<v Speaker 2>figure out if he had any information or if he

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01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:24.239
<v Speaker 2>could relay my information to the guy that he'd interviewed

1275
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:27.800
<v Speaker 2>that was in Peru, right, and he didn't, but he

1276
01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:29.680
<v Speaker 2>asked if I wanted to come on the show because

1277
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.439
<v Speaker 2>maybe that guy would listen and reach out. So I've

1278
01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:34.680
<v Speaker 2>still never heard from that guy because I would.

1279
01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:37.479
<v Speaker 1>Love to talk to him. Yeah, that's too bad.

1280
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't even care if it's for an interview

1281
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:42.319
<v Speaker 2>for the show. I just want to hear yea his

1282
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.680
<v Speaker 2>experience in person and kind of figure out exactly where

1283
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:46.159
<v Speaker 2>it was.

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01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:50.439
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, and I was intrigued because you said Peru,

1285
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you told your stories about Prue. I thought, well, geez,

1286
01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that's not that far from here. And it validates, you know,

1287
01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:58.279
<v Speaker 1>it helps to validate your own experience when you know

1288
01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:02.680
<v Speaker 1>people near near, in the general area are also having

1289
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:04.920
<v Speaker 1>those experiences, so you're not you're not crazy.

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01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:08.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, I might be crazy, but I'm not crazy

1291
01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:09.439
<v Speaker 2>about that.

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01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:12.479
<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, but you know you know what I mean. Yeah, right,

1293
01:16:12.760 --> 01:16:15.560
<v Speaker 1>but you know, and I feel bad for a lot

1294
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:17.560
<v Speaker 1>of people out there who do see these things and

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01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:21.079
<v Speaker 1>they tell their family members, you know. And Vic talks

1296
01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:23.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot about this too, how they tell them, oh,

1297
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:26.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're seeing things, or they just you know,

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01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:30.920
<v Speaker 1>tell them they're crazy. And that's you know, I believe.

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01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Most people that I talked about originally because I didn't

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01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:35.600
<v Speaker 2>say a whole lot, but I I had family members

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01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:37.840
<v Speaker 2>laugh at the time. I still love at my parents' house,

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01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:40.039
<v Speaker 2>they laughed about it because they didn't think it was real.

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01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:43.199
<v Speaker 2>And I've had other people not say anything. I've told

1304
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a couple of people about it and they laughed about it.

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01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:47.680
<v Speaker 2>The co worker didn't want anything to do with it.

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01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:51.399
<v Speaker 2>So it's like you write it off in your mind

1307
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:54.800
<v Speaker 2>because the people that you think should be there to

1308
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:57.800
<v Speaker 2>believe you and support you typically don't, so then you

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01:16:57.840 --> 01:16:59.479
<v Speaker 2>start to question yourself.

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01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Right right. Well, Fortunately, my the main people in my

1311
01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:05.439
<v Speaker 1>life are my sons, and they do listen to me

1312
01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and they don't discount me, you know. And my oldest

1313
01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:14.760
<v Speaker 1>son is an engineer and he's very analytical, so you know,

1314
01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:18.279
<v Speaker 1>he's kind of probably the opinion that, well, if I

1315
01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:20.239
<v Speaker 1>believe if I see it, then I'll believe you. But

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01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say what you that you are

1317
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.359
<v Speaker 1>seeing things? You know, say, he's not telling me I'm crazy,

1318
01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:34.159
<v Speaker 1>but you know he wants to have proof too, But well,

1319
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:36.600
<v Speaker 1>you weren't there, so you can't. If you can't, you know,

1320
01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:37.840
<v Speaker 1>you're just going to have to believe me.

1321
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's hard to prove anything, especially as much as

1322
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:46.359
<v Speaker 2>we would like to. When someone sees something, that's that's

1323
01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:48.079
<v Speaker 2>all you get to hear that that the proof is

1324
01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:52.840
<v Speaker 2>their story. So it's hard to right, hard to prove

1325
01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:55.479
<v Speaker 2>anything based on that. Like, I don't think people are lying.

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01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:58.680
<v Speaker 1>No, and you can't. People say, well, why don't they

1327
01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:00.800
<v Speaker 1>take pictures? In this day and age, everybody has a

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01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:03.159
<v Speaker 1>phone you could take Well, for one thing, in two

1329
01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:05.800
<v Speaker 1>thousand and one, you know, I had a flip phone.

1330
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:09.520
<v Speaker 1>It didn't take pictures, so and I wouldn't have even

1331
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the thought of stopping and taking a picture doesn't even

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01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:16.439
<v Speaker 1>enter my mind. I wouldn't have entered my mind. And

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01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:19.560
<v Speaker 1>as far as what I saw in September running across

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01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the road, well there's no way I would have gotten

1335
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that in a picture. I couldn't have gotten the phone

1336
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:30.520
<v Speaker 1>up fast enough to get a picture. And I'm also

1337
01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't always carry my phone with me. Maybe, you know,

1338
01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:37.800
<v Speaker 1>some people find that crazy, but you know, I'm old

1339
01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:40.520
<v Speaker 1>enough that it's not permanently attached to my hip, you

1340
01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:44.760
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. I'm using I'm using the phone

1341
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:48.039
<v Speaker 1>to talk to you right now because frankly, I need

1342
01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:52.880
<v Speaker 1>a new laptop and my desktop is it's just would

1343
01:18:52.920 --> 01:18:59.880
<v Speaker 1>be just too inconvenient to use. So you know, I

1344
01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:02.279
<v Speaker 1>have to use a phone, my phone for this. But

1345
01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not the type to carry my phone around with

1346
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:08.359
<v Speaker 1>me all the time. So you know, I will go

1347
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:10.479
<v Speaker 1>out at and I walk my dogs without my phone.

1348
01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:12.800
<v Speaker 1>And maybe some people say, well, you know what if

1349
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:16.319
<v Speaker 1>something happens, you know, but you know, well, I'm taking

1350
01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:19.720
<v Speaker 1>my chances, like there was a time when we didn't

1351
01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:22.119
<v Speaker 1>have phones and we walked took our dogs for walks

1352
01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:26.399
<v Speaker 1>without them, you know. So but even if I'd had it,

1353
01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:29.399
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't have gotten that picture of anything. It was gone,

1354
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:34.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, And I'm not going to chase after it

1355
01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:39.600
<v Speaker 1>to get a picture. You know, that would be that

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01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:41.600
<v Speaker 1>could be dangerous, right.

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01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:46.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't encourage anyone to go after them. Me and

1358
01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:47.760
<v Speaker 2>the people that are going to go out and film

1359
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:49.600
<v Speaker 2>with me, we're dumb enough to go after it. I

1360
01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:53.159
<v Speaker 2>actually had this conversation with one of my friends is

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01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:57.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be doing the video portions, and he said,

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01:19:57.000 --> 01:19:59.319
<v Speaker 2>what happens if we actually find something? I was like, well,

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01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:04.359
<v Speaker 2>then we'll worry about that when it happens. I don't

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01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:06.960
<v Speaker 2>have a plan. I don't. I don't honestly expect to

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01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:09.560
<v Speaker 2>find anything, to be honest. But if I guess the

1366
01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:12.720
<v Speaker 2>random case that we do, then I guess we will

1367
01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:16.239
<v Speaker 2>figure that out and just don't be the slowest.

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01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Person, right right, make sure you can run. I you know,

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01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:24.079
<v Speaker 1>and I probably would be intrigued to do something like

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01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:26.479
<v Speaker 1>that as a group. I would be willing to do

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01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:29.760
<v Speaker 1>that if I had a group of people that would

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01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:35.560
<v Speaker 1>be interesting to me, and but to go out by

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01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:37.520
<v Speaker 1>myself and hunt for them, no, I'm not going to

1374
01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:38.880
<v Speaker 1>do that. You know.

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01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:42.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take a few people out, but when

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01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:46.159
<v Speaker 2>it comes time to actually do what I'm planning on doing,

1377
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:48.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going out with a bunch of people because

1378
01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:51.000
<v Speaker 2>you're never going to find something if you have a

1379
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:53.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of people with you, because there's too much noise,

1380
01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:56.119
<v Speaker 2>too much stuff. So if I do something, it's going

1381
01:20:56.199 --> 01:20:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to be with me, a camera person and maybe one

1382
01:20:59.880 --> 01:21:00.479
<v Speaker 2>of person.

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01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:04.640
<v Speaker 1>If that right, well, yeah, and I wouldn't feel afraid

1384
01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:08.239
<v Speaker 1>to do that at all. You know, you're not alone.

1385
01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:12.640
<v Speaker 1>But no, but to go up by myself and just

1386
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:15.720
<v Speaker 1>hunt for dog men and no, I'm not good.

1387
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm not necessarily just hunting for dog man. I'm hunting

1388
01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:21.119
<v Speaker 2>for all the weird stuff because there's a lot of weird. Yeah,

1389
01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:23.039
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of weird stuff around here. So for me,

1390
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:25.039
<v Speaker 2>it's going out for all the weird.

1391
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Stuff, right right, well, yeah, but yeah, that would be fun.

1392
01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:31.560
<v Speaker 1>You do know that you might come across. And I

1393
01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:33.720
<v Speaker 1>do think there's some truth to the fact that if

1394
01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:38.319
<v Speaker 1>you're looking for it, it will find you, you know,

1395
01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I do think there's there's something to that. I think

1396
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:49.199
<v Speaker 1>whatever dog men, sasquatch, whatever, not that they're trying to

1397
01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:55.720
<v Speaker 1>be harmful, but they're probably I think they do pick

1398
01:21:55.800 --> 01:22:04.560
<v Speaker 1>up on, you know, you your interest. It's just like

1399
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:07.000
<v Speaker 1>animals that are in need of help, they're going to

1400
01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:09.960
<v Speaker 1>go to people that they know what people to go to,

1401
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:12.680
<v Speaker 1>right you know what I mean, They're going to go

1402
01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to those people and ask for their help. You know.

1403
01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:20.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, like the shepherd child mix that I had

1404
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:24.279
<v Speaker 1>was not being well cared for, and it pretty much

1405
01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:31.840
<v Speaker 1>came to me and became my dog, you know. So

1406
01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:33.920
<v Speaker 1>so I think I think there's something to that too.

1407
01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:37.680
<v Speaker 1>So well, it's very interesting. It's been fun talking about it,

1408
01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and it, you know, makes me feel validated in a way.

1409
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:47.920
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm glad I could give you some validation.

1410
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I do the show just for the

1411
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:53.119
<v Speaker 2>sake of allowing people for a chance to talk, because

1412
01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:54.439
<v Speaker 2>I know what it was like never being able to

1413
01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:54.680
<v Speaker 2>do that.

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01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I can talk

1415
01:22:58.279 --> 01:22:59.960
<v Speaker 1>to my kids, but I don't talk to my coworker.

1416
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I never tell him. I have one friend I've told

1417
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:07.199
<v Speaker 1>a neighbor. He's pretty open minded and he's intrigued by it, yes,

1418
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and I've talked to him about it.

1419
01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:13.079
<v Speaker 2>So I've told a few co workers, and I think

1420
01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:15.239
<v Speaker 2>they think I'm probably a lunatic at this point, but

1421
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:17.239
<v Speaker 2>it is what it is. I know there's a couple

1422
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:19.119
<v Speaker 2>of them that still listen to the show too, So.

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01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go.

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01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:23.840
<v Speaker 2>It's always weird when your work finds out you do

1425
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:25.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff like this and you go out and do all

1426
01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:27.119
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. You never know how they're going to

1427
01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:30.039
<v Speaker 2>interpret him. But so far, no one said anything to me.

1428
01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well they're not doing any harm, so right, well,

1429
01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:40.159
<v Speaker 1>and who knows, they might counter something and then you'll

1430
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:43.239
<v Speaker 1>be somebody they can talk to. So I think there's

1431
01:23:43.279 --> 01:23:47.359
<v Speaker 1>things out there, and I you know, I listen to

1432
01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:51.840
<v Speaker 1>the Dogmen Encounters frequently and not all the time. Sometimes

1433
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:54.199
<v Speaker 1>I take a break from it because sometimes I just

1434
01:23:54.239 --> 01:24:00.279
<v Speaker 1>don't have time, and but it's very interesting to me. Yeah.

1435
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for the people that are so terribly

1436
01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:06.560
<v Speaker 1>frightened by it or have a terrible experience. That's pretty

1437
01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:08.079
<v Speaker 1>pretty awful.

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01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:15.680
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, well, Jeanette, it's been a pleasure talking with you.

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01:24:16.119 --> 01:24:18.760
<v Speaker 1>It's been a pleasure. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

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01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Yep, thank you.

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01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:28.119
<v Speaker 1>You have a good night, you too, Thank you, Bye bye.

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01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:31.520
<v Speaker 2>And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys

1443
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:34.000
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a

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01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:36.800
<v Speaker 2>guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to

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01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to

1446
01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just get your

1447
01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:45.479
<v Speaker 2>message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And just remember the truth lies and the stories we share,

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01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you

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01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:54.239
<v Speaker 2>all for joining us on this journey, and until next time,

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01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:57.800
<v Speaker 2>keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night.

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01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:01.319
<v Speaker 4>Everyone sees sounds in the heads one, Yeah, it's time

1453
01:25:01.399 --> 01:25:01.800
<v Speaker 4>to rock.

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01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Got a story about a cryptic creature.

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01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:05.479
<v Speaker 2>Let's take a.

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01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Walk, big foot talk. Then they're out there in the dark.

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<v Speaker 3>But the truth is out there liking me. It's bark

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<v Speaker 3>ufo sightings. Got the whole world show.

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<v Speaker 5>Conspiracies and folds like a story in the book.

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<v Speaker 4>Control trying to.

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<v Speaker 5>Keep us by. We're all gonna use the whole mind

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<v Speaker 5>in history. They don't want us to know the secrets.

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<v Speaker 5>They hide it since they want show so they don't society.

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<v Speaker 5>They keep us in chase. But ten and Tom, it's

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<v Speaker 5>time to break the reins.

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<v Speaker 4>Control trying to keep us fine. But I'm alone before

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna use my mind in history, it wants to

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<v Speaker 4>know the secrets they hide since they all show no may.

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<v Speaker 5>A society, they keep us in chase when sending talk

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<v Speaker 5>this sound to break the reins