Speaker 1: Hello, ladies, gentlemen, Welcome back to the Gimmick, the second
episode for November twenty twenty five. As always and scaredly,
I am the Canadian Nightmare Tres. Now I'm joined by
Live and let Dom David. I saw the name when
I came in you pop me. I was like, oh,
that's a.
Speaker 2: Good going good.
Speaker 3: I had a couple of names on deck, most of
them did revolve around dirty Dominick mysterious, so that's the
one that I chose to go with.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I'm doing good. I got it.
Speaker 3: I didn't get a chance to watch the pay per
view live, but I did get a chance to watch it,
and I'm excited to talk about it because I didn't
get to talk about it with you guys live in
the discourse.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we have and even though I watched it
only half live, so we didn't. We're kind of spread out,
so we'll see what happens. And then joined by Sina Hears, Roxanne,
s Bubbs Pimp and the you know, yeah Roxanne still
in Sina's moves, you know, hit him with his own
code rhetor. But how's it going to the sir? Okay?
So yeah, what we're gonna be doing today is we're
gonna talk about Survivor Series the review that. We're also
probably gonna have a longer conversation about some of the
WrestleMania stuff because there's been some rumors and obviously guys
have some stuff. So we'll probably start the Men's War
Game and see how that goes, and then for aw
we'll talk a little fall from Full Gear, but mostly
Connell Classic with our predictions of who we think would
be finals and the winner of that, and the women's tag,
and then whatever else comes up. I'm sure Jericho will
come up at some point this podcast. All it does
not that there's no news, but I just feel like
almost every Gammick there's some bad booking scenario. Is he
the mystery man? I don't know, But David, I'll go
with you because you're the most fresh off it. You
watched it early this morning. What do you think of
a Survivor series? Obviously, four match card, but he got
some big things the two big war games Bella and
Stephan Vacker and then seen his last pl match ever,
so obviously some some big stuff even though just four matches,
some longer stuff. So what do you think of the
show overall.
Speaker 3: Overall, I thought it was a good show. It was
a very paint by numbers, but it was still fun.
There was fun spots, especially in both war Games matches.
Speaker 2: There was an interesting spot in the men's like I
was still.
Speaker 3: Trying to rep my head around how that fell within
the rules, and they did their best to try and
explain that. I really loved the dom and seen a
match like that was out of all of them. That
was my favorite bell to bell match, not just spots,
but just favorite bell to bell match.
Speaker 2: And the Women's.
Speaker 3: Championship I felt like was a chance to put a
big name under Stephanie Vickier's title on that. It was
four match card and they did what they could with
the minutes that they had and s Yeah, it was
it was fun. Nothing to write home about, but it
was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were U s? Bubs?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I enjoyed the show.
Speaker 5: I thought all the matches sort of I'm trying to
think because I don't really know what my expectations were
going in I think, I say, I don't think for
the men's.
Speaker 4: Wargames, so I think for the.
Speaker 5: First three match just they all exceeded my expectations. At
least a little bit, and overall I thought it was
a good show.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, I think I'm in line where I
enjoyed it. I think, uh yeah, like I think I
enjoyed it. I wasn't like overly negative on anything, and
then I wasn't overly like positive on anything. Oh my god,
excuse me, the broat God's coming for me. Of course
since my turn, you know what, I'm gonna find some
water before I die live on air. No, So yeah,
I think it was a good show. It's it's it's
interesting to watch because I, like I said, I watched
in half where I watched the first two matches live
and then at a Christmas price, I had to watch
it after the fact. And I guess we'll probably start
the Men's War game where I went on a wild
ride with that because I was I've said this before
in trest told you to try to like not go
on social media too much. What I do is I
have notifications on some accounts, and one of those wrestled Pearris.
Whenever they tweet, you know, I get an a vocation, I
will mute it. I should have, but like I guess,
I wasn't worried. The two matches were Stephanie Nicki and
of the Men War Game. Even though we talked about
the discord where you know the go Home was for
the bad guys, I was like, I still think that
bad guys are taken and and they did, but on
Wrussell puris what I'm saying, Like the highlights everything other
than the mystery attacker, which I just Trible loves spam.
We talked about t K spams. Tribleh loves spamming mystery
attackers like I can't win Jacob right, I was like, man,
I really hope it's not a mystery attacker. I hope
it's just Hey, no, Drea McIntyre took him out. I
did that. I want a Tyler show. But now we
still don't know who attacked Jacob at some point where,
but he.
Speaker 5: Was like where they like.
Speaker 4: A week after She's like I attacked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she like they lost and her doing.
Speaker 5: It like I'm just gonna say it was like I
don't think they could tell her you're gonna do a
mystery attack.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and even then too, like she attacked Lyra
the day after they lost. It's like we kind of
know who the mystery attacker is, you know, like that's
pretty easy, so it's it's fine, and also talk about
who it is that doesn't have me excited. But but
the bands of that, I'm seeing all these highlights like, oh,
this looks like this looks like tons of fun. I'm
excited to go watch it. And then when I go
in on my timeline, it was just like this is
the worst war Games match of all time, and I
was like, what's going on? Like, So I watched it,
and to me, I thought it was like a fun,
good match. I don't think it was like amazing, But
I also don't think people I agree with some point
people that it didn't go on as long and it
was maybe a bit anti climactic at the end. But
people were talking about this this like this was like
warrior like going into like a smoke dust back in WC.
I think it's because we've seen this on with AW two.
I think right now with Sina and some of the
things Triple Ah has made. I think the wrestling community's
just like they got their knives out for Triple A
right now. Don't get me wrong, I don't say like
not he doesn't deserve for some stuff. But right now,
I just felt like, Okay, this is like a fine stuff.
Do I need jay Usso's entrance in Middle War Games? No,
like that should be happening. Like it's like that's a
tough thing where they are trying to preview this. It
feels like this was like Hell in the Cell a
couple of years ago, where're like, oh, this is a
really dad device and it's really dangerous. But then you
got jay Uso and everybody bump and having a good time.
We're hand in the cell. They tried to make dangerous again, right,
So I thought it was I thought it was good enough.
I didn't know what it was expecting, but like, I
had a good enough time watching. There's a few fun interactions.
There's a couple of spots that didn't make set, a
couple of spots of the men one that not didn't
make sense. I'm just curious about how they're gonna work forward.
And then in the met or the women's we'll talk about.
I think there's just like kind of some some clunk
or some bad spots where it just didn't work out.
But uh yeah, so the men's we had we talked
about the heels they got the win team. I guess
they're technically were they team vision, right, that's what they were.
They were just a vision.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Were they got any specific name?
Speaker 1: Yeah, which like logo Poul is not officially in this group, right, No?
Speaker 5: No, okay, So because they announced, like it's like bron
Breaker Bronson read the vision and logan Paul Drew McIntyre
and Rock Closer.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's good. So we got that going on
and they get the win they pin, uh it was
bron Breaker Penn. Seem like you said, a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: Like my original original like when we fantasy booked all
the way to Mania, I think wasn't mine the I
think I had. I don't know if I had punkin
bron at Mania, but I definitely remember having Broun pinning
Punk at like in War Games. Well, I think that's
before we knew that it was gonna be like n
XT on Sina's show. So I had writ versus Punk
at that show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're running backs Punk sneaking, Yeah, the whole tournament. Yeah,
and and that, Like, I guess what I'm curious about
because we talked about this last week, right, because I
thought same thing where we talked about Punk's rain, how
long is he gonna hold and everything. I thought, okay, yeah,
punkin Bron would make sense at WrestleMania, But then we
talked about there's rumors of Braun and Lesner. We'll see
because it's Dave putting out there, but they even Hayman
was like, oh, well, this is gonna be the you know,
the future to you know, WrestleMania. Right. I guess what
I'm confused about is I'm fine with Bron being Punk,
that should be the way it goes. But like Nikki
Bella just turned on Stephanivik here she lost like five
matches a row, but she turns on her gets a
title shot. I'm just wondering how in KFE Bron pins
Punk and doesn't like get a title shot immediately after,
like in the world they've set up, like how do
they don't? And it's either for me, it's does he
get a shot and he loses and they do the
Sammy's Ain interer Carnal thing where he loses his first
try and then gets again later.
Speaker 4: I don't really want that he loses.
Speaker 5: Like at the Royal Rum Blody Challenges, Punk loses the match,
enters the Royal Rum one and wins.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like I just I don't want them to
run back the Sammy's Ain like he loses first then
wins in a month. I don't want that. And then
also it just feels weird that it feels like you
can't also keep punking Braun apart that long, Like I
feel like it'll be an overbuild, like by the time
you get the Mania. But okay, let's just get the
match already. So I'm kind of confused.
Speaker 5: That if it was like like a multi match series
like ending at Mania or something like that. Yeah, like
the second matches at Mania and they have like a
third one at like Backlashers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't love that, so like,
and honestly we could who knows, right, because even this
is why I always walk like tentatively, because remember at
this time last year, the plan was just Punk and
Roman one on one, and then that turned into seth, right,
so it's like, yeah, and we're talking about Coding and
Roman even then, I can't I can't fully believe it
till we're like in the February time, same thing, the
scene of heel Turn that wasn't planned till a couple
of weeks after, right, So it's like until we get
to February, I can't believe those rumors. Same thing as
Rio and Bianca, Right, that was the original plan and
then EO snuck away in there and got the win.
Right that Sean rossapt reported that they were doing that,
So it's the thing. And there was another one too
that SRS could put out there, not saying it was wrong,
just that they change it. So it's like, who knows,
But yeah, dude, how are you feeling about uh, Braun
and Punk? If that is the Mania plan? How do
we get there?
Speaker 3: If we're gonna get there, then if they're gonna have
a straight up brawl, then you got to have Braun
go over. Only reason I say that is because Braun
is not the battle from behind type of character. That's
not how you have built him up. So he can't
do the Sammy, he can't do the jay Us, so
he can't do the constantly losing and then finally gets
the big win on WrestleMania, Like he has to have
a dominant win because that's how you set him up.
Speaker 1: So I don't watch Spear done.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you you keep them apart long
enough for that to happen, unless you throw somebody else
into the mix who's coming in to challenge Punk and
maybe he attacks Broun Breaker, they feud or somebody fuse
with Punk to keep braun Breaker just kind of at
bay for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Until you get to that point.
Speaker 3: But they their match needs to be a one on
one and it needs to happen pretty soon unless you're
going to have just a couple of more instances of
them brawling out and Braun being just Braun. But yeah,
they need to have the big spot where he does
the bouncing off the rope, spear everything else. He he's
got to have a dominant win in his Again, you
can't pull the jay usso you can't pull the Samy's aim,
the fighting from behind.
Speaker 2: I'm eventually I'm gonna get there. I have no fight
in him.
Speaker 3: And keep coming back, and God forbid you guys pull
the dof Zigler and the keep coming, keep coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I don't Yeah, I agree with you. I
think like I don't want the series of match. I
guess the only way that I think because I imagine
I don't know, because I was gonna say punkin logan
Paul should be next. Imagine they've still been setting up
a few times. But again, I just don't understand kfe
how Brown Breakers like I get a shot. I wonder
if they do like the Seth Brock seen a like
eighteen triple I think it's two thousand and eight. No, no,
I'm way or I'm way late twelve right, No? Four fourteen? Yeah, yeah,
I wonder if you do that where you do something
I think, No, I think you're right. Yeah, fourteen is
when Punk leaves and then yeah, so yeah, you're right,
it's fifteen. I wonder if I could be fine that
if they did, Like this is a wild combo, but
like a Punk Braun pall match and Paul Braun kind
of like screw each other out of it because they're
both kind of selfish. Because I think you can have
them interact there. I'm fine with that happening if it's
triple threat, if you can get someone else, and I
just don't know if I want Braun and Punk before Mane.
That should be the first thing I agree with you, dude, Like,
definitely Punk should not be going over in that match,
Like I know, we should probably get Punk a win
at Mania here at some point soon. But like Braun,
that's a perfect.
Speaker 5: Time, Like he's like and it's like that kind of
has to be the main event if they're gonna keep
calling him like he's like the future of Wrestlmania main
events for twenty years or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like that's you're not wrong, it probably would be.
I still think to me, that's like that's the night
that women made event. Like, don't get me wrong, I
think like Braun has the juice, but I don't think
he has nearly the juice that like if you have
Ria versus Stephane Vakir, Like I guess it's a similar comparison,
but I just feel like there's there's bigger matchups with
the women that would oversee that. Obviously we talk about
Roman and Cody. Nothing's gonna oversee that, Like that'll go
on last Yeah, we know where that's going.
Speaker 5: Neither Roman or Cody could show up for that entire
build and there get the night too made it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely Yeah, they'll do. They'll do one promo night after
Rumble and then never see him again. They'll be promoting
street Fighter and then No, you're absolutely right. So that's
why it's just like I think you're right that because
they have been saying it. Braun and Punk could go
and last, but I could see a woman's match, Like
to me, that's a prime time like punkin Braun. I
don't know, like like yeah, I am interested to see
how they get there. And also worry is like I wonder, well, no,
I was gonna say something, but no, I take that back.
I guess Braun wins and then Raw after Mania, you
just have Seth beat the hell out of them, right,
like that's how you get there right away.
Speaker 5: Or if you're not gonna do like because I could
see like them doing if the Brock match was supposed
to happen at Mania, they could do like well, actually,
I don't know because I feel like Brock he's not
doing like a backlash.
Speaker 4: That'd be like a summer Slim well.
Speaker 1: She would.
Speaker 5: Something people have in pointed outs next years is like
in Minneapolis, isn't Brock from next summer?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: The thing it's like that's gonna be like his retirement
match is the thing you are thinking like.
Speaker 3: That next year that money is too good for that
money is too good for Brock.
Speaker 2: They're still throwing it at him now.
Speaker 5: Either way, I feel like that's where if they do
the bron Brock match could be at that summer Slam
if it.
Speaker 1: Was fun for making it, because.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, like the thing I was gonna
say is like, oh like Brock attacks and ra ater Mania,
but then I feel like that would be like and
then like he doesn't show up until summer, say, I
feel like that's after like a future.
Speaker 1: I think that' return. And I even could see the
backlash being Seth punk and brawn like in a triple
thread or something at first, because I kind of hope,
I'm kind of hoping when Seth comes back he's like
an ultimate tweeter because I really don't want the like
the edge Johnson in a face turn of like sorry
I was a dick, Let's get back to what we
were doing, Like I don't want that, like Seth was
full and bad guy like it if he was just
like I hate seeing Punk, I hate bron Breaker. I'm
gonna beat you both like and then I think then
you can like naturally make them a baby face again
when people are liking But I don't want to come
back and like sing it like sing my song like I.
Speaker 3: Just after his Brett Kushner interview that he just had
where people say that he came off like a real dick,
and I listen to part of it and he does
come off super arrogant. You can't bring Seth back babyface
right now because that just.
Speaker 2: Doesn't fit now.
Speaker 3: I could see a situation where if Seth isn't this
mystery person whoever that is, will feud with Punk to
keep Braun off.
Speaker 5: Or.
Speaker 1: You're pitching awesome thing you know, you know they'll you
know they'll do it.
Speaker 3: Or I could see a situation where Logan Paul cashes
in with Paul Hayman saying, hey, yours, you have to
get me a title shot because storyline yes, because that
well that makes sense for Paul the for Logan Paul
to say, hey, the only reason I helped you guys
out was because I was promised the title shot.
Speaker 2: So Braun, I don't care if you pin him or not.
Speaker 3: I'm up next, and Paul Paul Hayman giving giving Braun
the whole we got this waste, wait your time. You're
gonna be the next champion, you know, we just had
to do this.
Speaker 1: And then you read as well too as a Challenger
for the month, right, Like that's that's three to four
big p l e s or big events, like like
if you do awesome Theory to see him punk, if
you did not the world the s.
Speaker 5: One Logan, Logan and Bronson, you know, they get rumble,
they get chamberies.
Speaker 4: Getting that.
Speaker 3: Theory is getting an impromptu raw match just because Adam
Pierce got pissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and then Punky I wouldn't mind
elimination chamber if they run back another like, uh, I
can't remember. I think they did on TLC. Obviously have
some couple of other people there. But if you have
a chamber where it's Punk defeating the title and it's
read Paul and Theory, and that's part of the storyline
is these three guys are just gonna make sure he
loses and he doesn't, but Bron's gonna waiting in the wings,
like I don't know what you do there. So it's
just I do think it's gonna be. Yeah, I I
just hope they got some good writers ready, because if
it's just Punk versus Vision from now until April, it's
gonna be it's gonna be a long time, you know,
that's gonna be that we're gonna be cooking. I guess
not cooking. I We're gonna be milily warm. I think so. Yeah, jeez, yeah,
So then I guess we'll talk about the actual match.
Then we'll come back to the the other Mania matchup.
But that's how it did end. And yeah, a couple
of spots that I wanted to shout. It was very surprised.
I'll put this on producers because they should be watching things.
I was very surprised when Cody Rhodes's entrance that they
did the exact same spot that Age and Becky did, Like, yeah,
no one was caught that. But I liked that they
clocked the punk and drew few that they kind of
tied that back. I think that was good. Braun coming
into or Bronson doing all this Tsunomius was good.
Speaker 5: I didn't like some like some extra like he was
because he just like falls forward like fully jumping up and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the first time since he broke his leg
that he's done a full jump, because yeah, he's been
doing the kind of the snoop dogg land on your
feet for a while since he broke his leg.
Speaker 1: This is the first time he was getting some height
on those one year anniversaries. Is gonna go out, you know.
And then and then they had brod come up, which
I didn't mind because David I actually bought their reasoning
for you know what, the war games hasn't started yet,
he can come out. I was completely fun.
Speaker 4: I had forgotten that it hadn't started.
Speaker 5: I was like, one of these referees, get up the
rocketmic can't leave.
Speaker 2: They ex They did explain it away.
Speaker 3: My my theory was that someone watched Blood and Guts
and was like, hey, maybe we should do some outside
of the cage stuff too.
Speaker 2: How do we how do we get away with this?
Speaker 1: Well? The only thing that I couldn't stand was again PTSD,
when it was just a full minute of Roman, just
Supermann punching Superman punching Rock. I was like, oh my god,
like like he's he's looking like the big dog. He
was calking the fist over and over and and then
like fun spot, he's you know, fis and everything. But
I was I got massive PTSD the little Last two Manias,
So yeah, we got that, and I'm sure I think
there was a couple other spots. There was the.
Speaker 4: Brass knuckles for the super.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was good. Yeah, yeah, I liked that, So.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 3: I did like this spot with Cody and Punk where
you know, he elbows him and you know, as an accident.
But again, they came back to that at the end
of the match where you know, Cody's standing up and
he's wanting to join in on the handshakes and Punks like, dude.
Speaker 2: You you elbowed me earlier. Don't think I forgot about that, So.
Speaker 1: Then he smiled though sorry. I felt like Punk was
like he kind of broke a little bit there. I
kind of wish they did more. I think that's one
thing where the elbow happened. I think I wish with
the how it ended with the team's kind of being well,
it actually wasn't. Just felt like it was the bloodline
and Punk just looking at Cody being like, you kind
of screwed up, and I wish they kind of like
I didn't understand. I felt like the men's baby face.
They should have more moments where they didn't get along
and really felt like they screwed it up and they
should have done if that's what they're doing, because they
had this moment where Roman tries to lift Cody up
and he does, he's thinking about it. He's like, I'm
gonna do myself. I wish they actively made Cody kind
of screw like I kind of wish the elbow of
Punk is what like end of the matchic somehow like
that was the decider, right and it really was, or
even if like Cody had a chair actually hintpunk, it
just kind of felt like there was very fake drama
for nothing, which you could easily play up in this moment,
or even if Cody hit Roman accidentally or Roman spear like,
I just thought there was a little bit more meat
on the bone. They kind of left there where. It
just feels like the Cody Roman stared awns for like
the internet crowd of like, hey, you guys know, in
real life they're both trying to be number one. It's
like you'ven't told that story in a while on WW right,
Cody and Roman haven't really interacted. They did that promo
on RAW, but that was more punk heavy. They haven't
interacted in say team together, So I just felt they
could have done a bit more iffiness with the teams together.
Speaker 3: Another missed opportunity I think was you've had this stuff
with Jay Uso and him, you know, being arrogant and
wanting to be like the new trouble Chief. I thought
you missed an opportunity where it's him, Jimmy and Roman
in the ring and Romans given Jay an instruction to
help him with something. Jimmy's given Jay an instruction to
do something, and you see that whole Am I gonna
go with my brother?
Speaker 2: Or am I gonna.
Speaker 3: Follow in the shadow of the tribal chief? Having those
little moments right there just to kind of continue on
with Jay's character because his real his only real moment
was the yeating through the top of the still cage,
which again was was weird. Everyone's stopping seam punk playing
air guitar, and you expect me to think all these
warriors are just lying around while this guy yeats, going
what oh, well, brock Lessener's gonna come in and get
you soon, so it's okay, we'll just lay here for
a minute. That was probably the worst spot to me
of this whole thing, was the the mid cage match
eat fest.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I agree with you because it was weird.
Where because when Jay was so first came in, he's
super kicking everybody, and he wrestles for about like two
or three minutes and commentary mentions, oh, you know, lately,
he's been going through some shit, you know, so they
okay that it's going to play into it. It didn't
at all like that, Like it felt like the Jay
that was wrestling right now is the same Jay from
last year. Did not feel like the guy that's been
having this like turmoil. So it was weird that they
didn't even do one spot. So just like that's what
it felt.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 1: It just felt like when I said early was short,
it just felt like there was stuff that they could
have done, like ah, nah, let's just like get to
the finish, Like I don't it was. It just felt
a little off that way with actual contents of the match.
I didn't mind with like we tumbled the brass spot,
the brass knock spot or other things, or you know,
like there's a good moment. I liked where uh broadcasts
Chimney up or Ja for this like the the five
and Roman spears them both, but same thing. I thought
that was gonna be something where JA might say like, oh, hey,
like I know what you're doing, but you kind of
took me out too, like you find me.
Speaker 5: That's spot like they were bullying for like cause it
looked like he was gonna do a Superman punch. I
thought like Brock was gonna like move out of the
way and like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and nothing happened. J was yeah, I'm cool
with it, you know, like it's just yeah, I don't know,
I just there. There was just misspots by whoever's producing.
And it's because I think these spots would go in
and stuff or maybe they're just dropping the J thing
maybe like you know what.
Speaker 5: And maybe they could has been mentioned like yeah since
the like the title match with Punk, like after that
he was just like he did the edge of John Cena.
Speaker 4: Thing like I was being a deck guy.
Speaker 1: Sorry, well exactly. And that's where it feels now because
we thought I was seeing last week I rody uh
rody Roman and Cody was gonna happen uh before we're talking, Okay,
maybe it was Cody and someone else, Cody and Punk
when we thought that might not work. Now, if the
plan was to do the Roman J thing, we kind
of see where it was maybe going right, which I
don't get me wrong, the Roman Cody thing scares me,
but like I don't think Roman and j would be
that great of a wrestlemate like that. I don't that
to me is I have very little interest in that.
But that could have been it where hey, we were
going that we're out, but now Roman's doing something else.
I mean you, so, just you know what, just get
the USOS back together. They need to get them wins
because I've they lost to Drew and Logan, Like, they
need to get some top wins right now. And maybe
that's with you for many it's just like you make
that the big moment that they win the tag titles
for the first time in like two years or something
like that, right, Like I think the last time they
had it was thirty nine. Maybe I'm wrong when they
first Sammy and Ko.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think they've won since the Sammy, Zane
and Ko.
Speaker 1: Match, Yeah, because they lost it there and then they
broke up not that long after, right, the USO, So
that's been like what three years since they won tag titles, right, Like,
you can make that into a big deal. You can,
like you get the right team, you can make that
into something. So just don't make it New day. So uh,
but yeah, we did talk about that where uh so
at the end, I said, yeah, Roman picks Punk up,
which again it's just like I never know they did.
I had this issue last year to the review, I
had this issue this year. I don't know why Roman
and Punk are always just like, yeah, we're cool, like
always have me and they're just like it's it just
bugs the shimmy too, just because there's like with so
much real life rama the right. But it's like, okay,
the Zebras, they're fine, you know, even then, like I
wish Punk did something again to save them, but he
but they're fine cool. He picks them up. Roman's singing
about picking up, Cody doesn't. And then they stare off
bad way for the crowd because when they walk away
there're lots of booze because the crowd was expecting something
like something to happen and nothing did. It just end
on this kind of sour note. And then on the
other side of the ring and Roman's like, we'll never
team together ever, and I don't know what Cody said.
I think Cody was just like, yeah, yeah, there's not happening.
Not happened. I don't know what. I didn't see anybody
clock that, but uh yeah, that seems to be I
guess Paul Hayman said, Hey, Survivor series, you're gonna see
a lot of stuff go down that will allude to
what's happening. Many other scoopers have said, yeah, it's gonna
be very similar and then lo and behold that. Then
this we get the stare down between Cody and Roman,
and we did talk about this last week, is like
a possibility. I didn't think it was gonna happen, just
because we've always heard that there is a lot of
politics backstage as far as like we did hear that
Roman said he wouldn't want Cody on the team unless
that match was happening. And I do think there's a
version where Cody's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, the match is happening,
but like I'm I'm way until you get closer to
me to see if this actually happens. Because don't get
me wrong, this is a big time like if you're
looking for a big one on one match, this is
massive to do Roman Cody three. They're both more popular
than ever, especially Roman, so.
Speaker 5: It's just like if they both don't have like because
the first one was like all all like Roman run ins. Yes,
the second one is like all Cody run ins. Uh
this one if they do like like the one on
one match, like with no one else involved.
Speaker 1: But that to me is gonna be the hang up
is though with Cody, because don't get me wrong, I
love Cody Rhodes. I was a big Auestle fan of
his dad. I was a big fan of him. I falled,
got back and in He's winning left. I falled New Japan,
started aw and started love there. I lead all that stuff, right,
that really got me back into that type of wrestling.
I love Cody. He's my guy in WBM. If this
match happens, he's he's losing. He's taking the one, two three.
Because here's the thing and David will know this two
where years ago and this hapened many times, right. But
when Sting game to WW, they're very happy, put them
all these video games and everything like that. And then
they're doing Stinging Triple H and I was okay, cool,
and they're doing this build and the whole build is
Sting is trying to take down Triple H and Stephanie
because they're the authority and they're the bad guys. And
then on the go Home Show, for some reason, Steph
Micmann cuts this promo about how WWE b WCW and
it was like, this has not been a part of
the build out of the hall whatsoever. And when you
watch that match, obviously it becomes NW overs DX and
you know, stings somewhere in the middle, which is fine.
That's a fun nostage thing, right, And I don't think
this is like a w W versus AW thing. But
the thing is, if you're if I'm talking to like
a loyalist or someone in the company. You got Rome Rains,
the guy who sat there and went through all the
shit of the dog food and the big Dog and
being the you know, the third guy in the shield
to being booed to, like, oh see where he is now?
But still he stayed all that way, did the bloodline
where he got the guy who left started another company,
took a lot of shots at everybody. I think it's
all good. He's still QB one everything like that. But
still you're telling me in this match. I guess I've
said the first two matches have different stories. It was okay,
can the first matches, can Cody overcome Rome Reign's long
tail run? Right? And then the second match is Canny
overcome the bloodline. This match is just who's the best.
There'll be no interference, there'll be another thing. And if
it's who's the best, the big dog is not taking
that pin, I would be I would all pizza, all
pizza bet. Anybody would take the bet. I don't think
there's any chance, barring an injury, Cody Rhodes is winning
that match, because to me, that becomes who is the
greatest of this generation? Right? And as much as I
love Cody, they're gonna make.
Speaker 4: Turn heel.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the only thing, right that that it all depends.
Speaker 4: On knocks down the sledgehammer.
Speaker 1: Yes, it depends when, right, if it's before the build,
like the scene of thing No, Cody's still den in
the water. It's some fun. And don't get wrong, like
that could be fun. I would need to be and again,
which me, that's the plan for ESPN four two and
four three. That'd be great. It'd be like a reverse
Roman Cody right, where everyone's kind of not everyone, but
like everyone's hopingbody's gonna win.
Speaker 4: Sean Spears and Ricky.
Speaker 1: Saints yeah and whoever else comes from aw and that
we'll get Brandy in there as well, she can take
a Superman punch, you know, but like and that's how
you get women in the bloodline. Naomi can be there,
Naya Jacks. But I would be completely fine if they
market as like, oh, who's the best and it ends
with Cody cheating, because that's like, that's such a great
dick heel move of man. This was supposed to be
finally one on one and you did that, and then
forty three is Roman getting the big win, Like I said,
if you flip them and then one day you can
do Roman Cody five, like, it's right there. But I
don't think it would be that. That's my only thing.
I think this is a big match. I just don't
know if this becomes the greatest of generation type of matchup.
It does feel like a bitterly it feels like this
should be still a couple more years, unless it's like
I suppose where there's a twist if it is just
one on one that say Scott come out, yeah I'm
making good this time, you know, like but if there
is no twist, to me, it just feels like I
don't know if this is the time to beat, Like
Cody Rhodes is a bay face I don't feel tough
about the SmackDown ratings or the houses. Brother. If Roman
gets that titled, they're not gonna be any better because
he's gonna be gone for four months. And that's why
I also hang out before I throw these two. It's
just like, while I'll still cheer Cody's because he's still
there almost every week, right Roman, unless he's like, hey,
I'm back back, I'm gonna be back at least three
out of four weeks of months. I'm fine with that.
Let the big dog have a week off, that's fine.
But if it is this thing where he's gone for bed,
I got no interest to me. That's not like you're
not the greatest of this decade right now, because it's like, yeah,
it's easy to come back and get the big pops
when everyone misses you. Cody's there every week dealing with
fucking SmackDown, right where Roman is like, well, I'm gonna
come in, do a couple of things and get to
know me through a table, and then I'll be gone
and then you'll miss me. Right like flip it. Let's
have Roman for a year, wrestle a whole year, and
have Cody come back every once in a while. I'm
sure people gonna love Cody, right. I don't think it's
all just that, but I just I have no interest
in Rome winning title and then just being gone here
and there. But yeah, Dad, what were your thoughts on
also got this step? But what are your thoughts on
as right now? That's what I think. The only top
tier one is Meltzer. That's the only one that's put
it out yet. Obviously this week we'll see fallout from
other Scoopers, because I guarantee you they'll respond him right
now whatnot. But he's the only one to put it
out there. But clearly from the end of this match
seams Okay, that could be the route they're going Plans
can't change, and I actually do think they're gonna change.
But if this does happen, how do you see it
going down, David?
Speaker 3: If this is the route they're gonna take, then you've
got to be setting up for the Cody Hill turn.
Speaker 2: And the only thing that I want.
Speaker 3: To see as the result of it is if Cody turns, heill,
he beats Roman, he walks away with the title. I
want to see him walk up to the top of
the ramp and I want to see him sit in
a new throne. Oh, I want you to call back
to the throne spot. I want you to solidify him
as the ultimate bad guy.
Speaker 2: He doesn't destinately, so he.
Speaker 3: Sits on the throne and then instead of the pointing
picture with him in triple H, afterwards, I need triple
H standing next to the throne pointing at uh Cody
sitting in it, and that that's that's the image. Like,
if you're going to do it, you better full on
do it.
Speaker 2: None of this.
Speaker 3: Well, I just cheated to get the win. But you
know I'm still your baby face. I'm still you know
this and that I just couldn't let rom and went, no,
you you gotta full on embrace the darkness if this
is gonna be the way. And I think Cody could
go on a good he'll right. I mean when he
was on the other Indies, when he was in New Japan,
he did a lot of great heel work.
Speaker 1: Oh so like when when was when was the elite
Kenny Omega draw that that's that Cody was the best.
Speaker 3: That was point yeah, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen was during
that time. They're they're built up to that, they're Uh,
they're fewed for the New Japan's US Championship and things
like that. Yeah, they everything is fine, The elite is
fine like that that time that that was some great
heel stuff.
Speaker 1: I feel like every month I see like people farming
for clips that share the Cody turning on Kenny like
clip and I don't think you can get to that level,
but Cody can do. It's just a question of even
if he wants you. And that's the same with Cody. Right,
there's a Cody lie I never know because he's before
like yeah, I never ever want to do that again.
But then a couple of months ago, right, we talked about, yeah,
I could do that one day. So it's like I
never know, is he like it's like a aw when
he said like, oh, I'll never turn heel to the
crowd and then he realed there like I'd say, that's
because that's my heel turn right there is to get
them to boom me. Right, So it's just like Cody
is good that way. You never like, I never like,
is he actually opposed like I really don't want to
do a heel or is he just doing that? So
it's like, Okay, people think this is like, you know
you're not gonna see it coming. They'll think this is
a pain and I asked for me, But really I'm
having a good time. So I really don't know. But
so also you're you talked about the heel turn. Do
you think that something would actually happen? What was you're
thinking if Cody and Roman is happening? And do we
do we all? I'm in a I'm in Greece with myself.
I think Rome would be winning the rumble in my
opinion right like, I feel like he's I think he's
winning it because you can kind of run back the
Punk and Cody thing again where even though he's good
with Punk, you even have a few weeks where Punk
and Roman are like, maybe he's gonna pick He's gonna
pick Punk and Roman hasn't win a rumble. I think
since the Big Dog era. I think when he got
booed right one, since I think since New York when
Rock holds him up and he's like, so, I think
Rome wants a big throw somebody out, get the big pop.
I'm saying Roman to me is that's why I kept
him on my draft roster. But Roman's winning the Roman.
But how do you see it going down there?
Speaker 5: I think I do think the match is actually happening.
I feel like the signs are there. As for like,
if it's like a straight one on one with like
no interference and like no big twist, then I think, yeah,
Roman's winning it.
Speaker 4: As for like the heel turn, like I said.
Speaker 5: I don't know because I mean one of like the
plans even if it was like planned like a day
before it actually happened Casina, I think they said there
were some talks of like the turn happening at Mania.
Speaker 1: I believe, yes, no, there was. It was like mid match,
which in retrospect it's tough, like in retrospect now because
of Scott it would have been better, but that moment
was good. But they did talk about on real that
they pitched that maybe they have it in the middle
of the match.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so I feel like if they did do
the Cody heel turn, I don't think it'd be like
Sena where like, yeah, like.
Speaker 4: I don't think Roman's winning the rumble and like he like.
Speaker 5: Confronts Cody and Cody low blows and like I think
it'll be during the match in that case.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: As for I fidd'll actually happen. I don't know, I
don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like you didn't think it was happening, and
now now you're talking yourself out of it. You mean,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I'd say it depends. You'd have to get closer to
the match actually happening.
Speaker 5: For even if it's a surprise in the match, I
feel like it's still I'd love to get closer to
the actual match happening for me to predict if it's
gonna happen or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even to see the reactions right is to
see like the cheers and contracts line, see which route
they kind of go, Like, it'd be interesting because it's
a question of okay, so if you do, it's like
the Ultimate Warrior Hull Cogan thing where Ultimate Warrior beat
Hull Cogan and that was always the new face. It's like,
but eventually, I don't not saying this happened with Cody,
but eventually what happened the next year WrestleMania, Hallkgan was
just back there in the w title spot winning. So
that's my thing of like, what do you do with
if there's no he altern if Roman just beats something
like what do you do immediately after with Rome or
with Cody? Right, Roman, You'll defend it, You'll do the
whole thing. Maybe they can turn Jay that, but it's
like Cody has a babyface that's now lost to Roman.
Like the only thing I'd say, it's almost like Mania
this year. You'd have to, I feel like, give him
a lot of the time off, like him six months
and make people kind of miss when he comes back
big story, because I just I don't know what you would.
Speaker 4: Do immediately with like disappear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think that's the only option. And and
don't be wrong. I Cody of course wants to be
like the QB one. I guarantee not saying making him
selling a child, but like if they sit him down
and tell him you're just taking the clean like he'll
do it. And like I think he would see why
Like Roman still like is gonna be the guy. And
as I've said before, we double Lastkim. Lately it's been
he's definitely been Roman last entrance on Raw, last entrance
in war Games. He's being positioned as that type of
guy again, right, And that's where I guarantee you too, Roman,
Like I guarantee you he does not. Wasn't there rumors
who's gonna do that Tribal Chief one shirt or that
that happened right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's like his is like the OTC one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's a complete parody of the QB
one thing, you know, like that's him trying to say, well,
I'm above that, I don't need to be the QB one.
So and I like there's people for Roman wrestle, just
I know I won. I wonder, I wonder if it's
gonna happen. I'm very curious to see these next couple
of months, like what goes out again too, doesn't matter.
One of these guys getting injured, right, and then that's
over right right now. We were we were literally probably
what a month and a half go time about oh Roman
and Seth at Mania and that's gone, right, So Roman
gets injured, Cody gets injured, it's all gone. So we'll
see what happens. But yeah, I just uh, I'll be
curious on the build, be curious how we get there.
I'll be curious to the fan reaction, same thing to
the reaction of when they start that match. It's just
Cody and Roman Babyface, Babyface, what does that crowd do?
Because we're there in Vegas again. Yeah, like, and Vegas
wasn't too kind on Cody obviously was the scene of thing.
So it's a bit harder, but like they weren't too
kind of the last year. So it's like, do you
put him in? And to me, that's the worst position
if you put Cody in a situation where he's booed
by the crowd and he's just taking the good guy loss.
That's two years in a row, and he just looks,
he just looks like a chump. Now he just you
officially have taken away. If I was him, what I
would do is they should do smack down in Vegas again,
and if he can sense he's getting booed, he should
next next hour pitch that heel t into triplate right away,
right away if it's after the day after, like, because like,
there's there's no more room for you as a babyface
currently right now in my opinion. But yeah, we'll we'll see.
It's it's interesting if we're gonna go there and it's
gonna be a fun time. Man, that's gonna be a
nerve racking match. But uh, that'll be interesting. Uh, speaking
of big returns, I guess we can go to this
when we can go to a Dom versus Sina kinda
kind of kind of what we thought Sina was gonna
lose it here, lots of judgment day interact or interference.
I do love uh Perrespub's name that Beaufriquel and Rock
Sammargansa moves on Sina so again like he can't wrestle him,
but kind of putting them over in a fun way
where okay, seen his last POL match is you know
some other town are going to interact with him in
concept as we talk about predictions, I wasn't a famus,
but these two got, you know, some fun chemistry. There's
a unit where this retirement run went different and Sena
is the seventeen champion. Dom's beating him for like the
world title, and I wish we kind of got there,
but we had live come back at the end. I
get what they're doing with the fake turn. I just
wish they didn't do the scena her jump on him
and do the whole like eyes thing. To me, they
kind of oversold it because I wish you would have
hit Dom and the second she turned around kicked Seeing
in the nuts, like so you would that double swore
but it took a little too long. But hey again,
good Spot for Live. Seems like they're back. And as
they said the discord, Dom only has a finite time kill.
He's a baby face. I don't feel like boon them.
But now it's kind to the point where.
Speaker 5: I think, like, I think, well, I think what's gonna
happen with Dom and Live is like they're just gonna
be the same characters.
Speaker 4: And then just like turned Face, I think I feel
like and.
Speaker 5: People notice like Live because she's been using like her title,
like she has her normal type tron and then like
this version pretty much it's very similar but has like
the Judgment Day logos all over it. This one she
had no no Judgment Day logos when she came out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what they were kind of already saying
that before right up to like Finn and Roxanne kind
of trying to do power moves and whatnot. And they'll
probably get back there. Also, you don't know what.
Speaker 5: It could like the mixed tag match, yes, like and
I've seen people say like maybe it could even be
like you either get like Finn or rock san one
of the icy titles, and you do like for both
of them, like a match for both.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that could work. I would like that. Well,
yeah you could. I would love it too if you
just did like some triple threat or fatal four where
or Finn is. I guess I did that with that
at Mania. But I guess maybe there were verse where
Finn screws like Finn and rock Sanne screw Dom out
of the title, but I actually would not be bad,
I guess. So you could also just take the titles
off and then that's just like a tag match at Mania, right,
it's just Finn and Roxanne versus Live and Dom, And
then I guarantee you book on Araquel is like a
which way does she go? And I think Living Dom
are not winning that equation. I think they'll have her
turn heel there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I liked the match itself. The ending
shenanigans I did think were the fake slap, And I've
seen a bunch of people talk about how her slap
was like way off on Dom, So what's that on purpose?
Speaker 2: Was that not on purpose? Was that just a full
sena like that whole thing?
Speaker 3: And then the facial expression before kicking in with the
low blow, Like that part I could have done without,
but the match itself, I really liked they sold me
on the injury angle with Dom, like I I was.
Speaker 2: Very much invested in.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, not just because I have
him drafted, but also because like I like where his
character's been going, Like Dom is a highlight for me,
his little his GIMMI because just it's fun for me
watching him every week has become fun. So like, no,
don't be hurt. Don't be hurt. And especially since this
is seen as last pl E, I didn't want it
to end on could you calling the match?
Speaker 2: Because of that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, what I was thinking is like I was sort
of getting suspicious that it was like fake, but then
like when rock sand and Raquela attacked Sena, that kind
of got me into believing it more because I was
like maybe, and especially it started happening like while the
camera was like just showing a replay of Donald's like
injury is like.
Speaker 2: That's how they de keep the matching ended.
Speaker 5: I was thinking like yeah, like what if they told
him like just like stall for time, like attack Sena
and like do your finishers on him and like, yeah,
see that, like Finn to come out there and like
replace him in the match or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I was like, I was thinking that was just them
song for time, but no, it's the setup for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, them to run back in because you're right, that's
how they would do it. For me, it was when
the Raft went back into the ring and talk to Sena.
There was something about the interaction like Okay, this is
we're good, he's not actually injured, which just I don't know.
It was just like it didn't feel natural between Sena
and the Raft. But I would say that I still
want to know this, and I under if some scooper
w we'll find out when he did the hurricane Rona,
were they on purpose trying to make it look like
it was a botch so the injury happened that they
botch it and just added, you know, they.
Speaker 5: Said, like I wonder if they did it, like if
that was a plan spodder if not, because that looks
like botch.
Speaker 4: Is the century, It's.
Speaker 2: Like that's a that's a risky spot. That's risky, it is,
but it's still.
Speaker 1: Just kind of like a power bomb on the floor,
right if you do it and.
Speaker 5: Planned because it's like it was like the exact same,
like penta real injury that happened this.
Speaker 2: Week, yeah, which and that's thinking was planned.
Speaker 5: Which made it work more because you just saw it
this week, so you're like, oh, maybe it happened again on.
Speaker 1: The exact same yeah, which I agree with that that's
I think the commentary they oversold too much as far
as like, oh, I really hope that's okay, Like you
people go down injured. They're pretty like they do talk
about it, but they're they're a bit more low key
on it. But it was still great death. I definite
they definitely got me for like thirty seconds because the
reason I was fucking freaking out because I thought a
monkey pod Dawn when he were seen on the ground
and he did like it was like this little thing.
He jumped off the steps and I got flashbacks to
Adam Cole when he jumped off the stage, and I
was like, I thought about it. I was like, man,
what would they do if Dom just got injured here?
I was like, they'd have to do like another match,
like as a make good or something like that, right,
And then the move happened about fifteen seconds later, I'm like,
oh my god, I'm thinking, I'm like, I'm like a
Xavier over here. I did something that Domin's here and
that was a gimmick. So I was very happy. But
the Adam Cole thing flashed back in my mind, like,
imagine if his ankle just like shatters when he jumps
off these steps, because it's just like him getting down.
Speaker 5: That, like this whole tour for Sina, like like what
if he's so injured at something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like Sina's been so lucky both times of
this and when they because I was there alive and
they end up doing it when they announced Rock and
Seen a year in advance. The fact that Sina didn't
get injured at all, like I'm sure cut some little stuff,
I mean, like nothing that would have taken him out,
like seen as lucky in both those occasions. Yeah, I thought, like,
if you got injured, you'd have to do like all
the tours are gonna pick up next year, right like it.
But they're very lucky and maybe that's why he didn't
wrestle in certain times or some big matches and stuff
like that. But yeah, they were very very lucky that
didn't happen. And I guess we're on our way to
right now, we got what is it? Goonther and Solo,
which is just like.
Speaker 4: I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. I just I think I think
there's two ways. I think it's an underrated like that
could be really good, or I do think it's dog shit.
I think if they could clash and it's not gonna
work out and it's gonna be really awkward, I will
watch it because I'm just curious to see how that goes.
And then La and j who knows that goes. I
just really hope it's La versus Goother. I don't want
to run back Jane Goonther. We don't need to get
to that lore. I think there's a good chance it
could be. But give l a Knight like something he
wasn't in the War Games match, Like that guy's got
nothing going on right now.
Speaker 4: Give him the storyline they they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they keep cutting them off and everything, but no,
it was a fun match. See at Dom. Even though
I didn't love that they did that, I'm trying to
think there's anything else here. Oh. The only thing that
I really didn't like is Jad and Finn come down.
That's fine, uh, they're fighting everything like that. They set
him down and JD goes for both of them are
on the turnbuckle, JD and Finn. JD goes through the
moon salt and Seena gets his legs up the counter. Finn,
why would you jump right after? I thought the.
Speaker 4: Same thing, you know, went back down.
Speaker 1: Yes, it made it look like the biggest idiot. That's
that he jump off the roads like I'm not gonna
go for I know why. They set the spot and
he did the classic double, which you know again that
was a risky spot. Well that happened to you what's
his name a couple of years ago WrestleMania, right, the guy,
the guy remember he tried to do the Sena spot
and his legs Yeah, and he tore like his a C.
So it's like, especially now Sina's not as big as
it used to be, so when he did this, like
this is risky. Your last matchres two weeks, so that
the only thing I just wish they had like seen
it hit him off into him and it just made
Finn look like the biggest geek ever, like, I guess
I'll still go and then he at least at least
as was pointed, like imagine if oh jd Counter is
seen up but he he wasn't quick enough to get Finn.
So it's like, okay, that happens. But no, like these
guys look like complete idiots of like they look like
Harry and mar from Home alone in this sequence, it's
just like man.
Speaker 5: Like a big shirt and stuff, like his outfit here
was just funny today.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know it's just yeah. So but uh,
we'll see. I think, like we said, there's some Judgment
Day break. I think they they might wait until I
could see Rumble them really start the break up storyline.
I think they'll be good for a little bit, maybe
hint about it, but I think whether it's rock Sand
taking live out, yeah, or they could do the men's
version of fin throwing at dawn right, like one of
those are gonna happen. So I feel like Rumble's not
that far away kind of have Judgment Day just kind
of cool like for now, like they'll have some drama,
I think because those also well I hope lives mentions
and is mad that Rocks and you know, like they
lost the tag tiles, right, that should be a story
point of contention that like, hey, we had the titles
and I gave him to you and you lost them, right,
So there should be some drama, but I hope they're
just kind of cool into rumble then see what happens there.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think it'll be like we'll have like
some like like awkward like on purpose like Judgment day,
like oh, like live is here now, I guess, and
like we were good without her or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's see. And then we go to Stephanie
and Nikki Bella who you know what was was a fine,
good old match because I think we talked about before
Nikki just works better as a heel, works better given
the offense. She definitely looked way better as far as
than with that Becky match could have just been not
working well because I just like that had a lot
of issues where like I said myself's like hey just
do tays. That's about it. But you know that this
was fun enough. There was one moment where I get
it because like, let's hope her crews big with Barrett's like,
you know, I'm just a little more. He's like Nikki
Bell's ahle famer And if Stephanie kntez away should be
a Hall of Famer too. It's like, all right, let's
let's slow down here, Like you can't be calling Stephanie
a Hall of Famer like a year or two in
her WW run, you know, like something's gonna happen. But no,
I thought this was like a fine match. Would I
probably like, could this have been like a big match
on Raw?
Speaker 3: On me?
Speaker 1: Put something bigger on this show as far as like,
I guess, like Nikki Bell is big and they're trying
to get Stephanie, So I guess I take that back.
They're trying to get Stephanie a big win. So this
wasn't offensive and as bad as I thought it could be.
So I think this was actually some good shine for
Nicki Bell. And this has come from a guy had
no interest in this match. I'm not seeing again that
I need Nikki to be winning these stuff. They do
need to give her some wins though, because she's just
losing everybody. So if they're not giving rebella back, they
gotta do.
Speaker 4: They just need to do.
Speaker 1: So just have them be a tag team and they
can still do solos like on a Raw or smacked
out right, like they can still do that every once
in a while. You can throw a title shot for
a secondary if you want, Like as I said last episode,
get over who cares they.
Speaker 4: Seem for either they're switching over to dynamite.
Speaker 1: Get over it. It's fine, like that's where. But at
least to me, this gave me more confidence. So yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Bar for this match was pretty low for me, so
they definitely exceeded that. I think Nikki did much better
than I've seen her do in her last couple of appearances,
so I was really happy about that.
Speaker 2: I did laugh.
Speaker 3: I saw, uh, somewhere else, someone was joking saying that
somewhere Booker t is pissed that this is the time
that they decided to do the Devil's kiss.
Speaker 2: On the announced table. He's nowhere near.
Speaker 3: So I mean, it was a pretty good match, some
fun spots. Again, it gave seveny Vikeria a chance to
put you know, beating a Hall of Famer under her
title reign and things like that. So on that it
was just it was a simple paint by numbers match,
but it was fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was fine. I did actually like
that thing. I wasn't sure like if they would really
get that much time, Like I was thinking this could
maybe even be like an under ten minutes match, but
I did like that they got. I think the match
was about twelve minutes, so it's not necessarily a long match,
but I thought it.
Speaker 4: Was good too.
Speaker 5: I think with Nicki and she can't do that sort
of fast paced offense doing like a match where you
like build the heat of her working over stuff, and
you kind of need that to be at least over
ten minutes. So I thought that worked well and I
thought it was, yeah, a fine match. I thought, yeah,
Nikki had some some good offense there. I didn't feel
like she like really botched her messed up any moves.
And I think in singles matches she's done better since
the Becky match, I feel she had some I thought
the matches she had she had the singles match with
Rock sand on Raw was probably like the best singles
match she's had in this like return run. But Rock
saying like, that's the thing with when she was having
her NXT title right, it was like anyone that faced
her was like, oh, like this could be the next
NXT NXT Women's Champion, because you would just make anyone
look good in their match.
Speaker 4: So but I'm more interested.
Speaker 5: In what Stephanie's gonna do in the future with this
title reign.
Speaker 4: Who would really sure who's next?
Speaker 5: I want to have like like a Bailer Lyra challenge
or would be would be my pick if.
Speaker 1: You're between those two of like doing.
Speaker 5: Some drama, especially if you're still gonna have like because
I don't think like the Ria EO and like Kabooki
Warriors stuff is like done yet I don't really think so,
so I feel like they're still gonna be in that.
And then I mean the pretty much the only other
women on Run like who could be like believable in
like the main events scene are like Bailey and and Lyra.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I also lives an option because you could do something
where Live challenges and rocks and a Roquelle. Either you
could do a screw over angle there or you could
also do the classic like like Judgment Day has done
so many times where they're trying to help Live but
they screw up and they cost her title. So I
actually think because liv just came back, she's got the
big pop, she's popular, I could see that that is.
That's my prediction the next big one. I'm not saying
just on a random raw I'm saying like a certain
next main event or even rumble, I could see them
doing Stephanie and Live and just that well that'll work out,
and I think there that could be a fun match.
So I think it's my prediction. Then yeah, Judgment Day.
Speaker 5: Is you know, even they let like they had like
Maxine do like a little backstage segment on Raw this
week for like the Icy title, and like Bailey and
Lyra weren't there, even though that was like the last
thing they were doing with the Icy title. So I
feel like that kind of means they're not necessarily just
going back to the Icy title stuff right away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they had they had like.
Speaker 5: Rock Sane and Raquel kind of be like, oh, like
we could come for the Icy title.
Speaker 4: And then they also had Ivan Nile who hasn't been
like on Raw, and.
Speaker 1: Like I saw her, I saw that, Yeah, yeah, so
yeah we'll see that up there. And even Becky. I
kind of thought Becky would just go and just beat
Maxine again right away, which I don't know if it's
if it's not happening, I just don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know who you give Maxine, because like I
feel like with if Becky's not going for it. I
feel like she can't just lose it, right, I feel
like they would give it.
Speaker 4: Well that is it's Ivan Nile. I just I just
answered my own question, like, she'll be one person.
Speaker 1: She'll get a role victor role, school girl winning stuff.
Speaker 6: And that's like and to me someone she hadn't won
a match a singles match by pinfall before the Becky
match since like twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Wheeze, that's that's quite the stat there, my god. Yeah,
And I wonder too because we kind of thought her
if Becky in the next two weeks does not beat Maxine,
I think there's a really good chance that we're not
getting Becky and AJ one on one till Mania. I
think the route how so far AJ's kind of had
like a brock lessend schedule, probably transition to war games.
I think she'll definitely do Rumble because she's never done
a rumble. I think she. I think Age is gonna
be final four in the Rumble or final two. I
could even see a spot where AJ gets Becky out
and Becky comes back in the match and takes her out,
Like I could see them doing that with AJ. So
it's like she's eliminated, but it's by you know, cheating
kabuki sort of ways. So I I think there's a
have like a.
Speaker 5: Big like women's return, like she could be like a
number thirty unif.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely she could be thirty. No. I think
that's a good spot for and I think I I
I just that's my vibe. I just feel like because
even then, I don't think you could. You could do
Becky and AJ at WrestleMania and they wouldn't even need
the title, right, It's like Jade and Naomi last year,
you could do nothing. Now again, that's a super long bill,
but that's fine if that's like a big special, like
that's AJ's first one on one match, like you market that.
So I'm just getting the route. That's where I think
we're gonna go, I feel And I'm still curious about
what they do with Ria and Stephanie and EO and
the tag tail there, but I feel like that's where
we talk about like mixtag for Judgment Day A, J
and Becky maybe just solely you could do like a
multi woman match for the icy title US titling making
on the card.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's definitely, like I think the women are getting
like like the the mid card ICEE title Multiman.
Speaker 1: Like this, I think, yeah, that's kind of like.
Speaker 2: A like for the man.
Speaker 5: I feel like like that's sort of not like a tradition,
but I feel like it kind of is like having
like that big like mid card title like Multiman match
at Mania.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that that would make sense for that
spot there. So which, speaking of war games for the women,
they opened up the show the Babyfaces got the Wins,
that record still going on. You had some cool stuff.
They're like, EO, just fucking my god like that. It's
just very scary. Mom. Uh.
Speaker 5: They actually caught her this year because like there's some
other years and she's done that and just landed straight
on the map.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Her getting hit with that trash can lit though. When
she was coming off the top rope and Kyrie like
took the trash candle.
Speaker 2: Lid and hit her on the side.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, with.
Speaker 4: The trash can is dangerous.
Speaker 5: Like I remember like like a few years ago, like
like that was like she had the trash can lid
on like uh and it was like Shotzi was in
there and she did like like her backfist like full force,
but like holding the.
Speaker 4: Trash can lit and just yeah, she was getting people
of that.
Speaker 1: Jeez, yeah, no she was. She be like sand Man
and just make that her all the time. Never mind
the pirate gear. But uh yeah you have to have EO's.
Speaker 4: Done with the with the trash can for wargans, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I know they had the two itches. Was
great and they had those going. Yeah, it's gonna be
interesting with Rionia with the Kubuki Warriors that they give
them a tag title run or not, I don't know,
it's gonna be interesting. But yeah, then you had obviously
nih in here Lash Legend making her debut.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: They gave her some good offense because man, when she
came out last, that crowd was that crowd was quiet.
Speaker 4: They're not giving up so bad.
Speaker 5: Like yeah, like NXT chance for like any themes, like
any NXC theme song, there's chances for it in the
PC like well, Last Legend does have a few, but
it took like like a month and a half when
they changed their team song for anyone to make any
noise to it.
Speaker 1: I would have put Naya last just because she has
a bit more notoriety and everything, but they still gave
us some moments. I wish they gave her like a
few more moments, but I think she was looking good. Uh,
there's just a couple of spots from me in here
that like kind of held it back. Austria's gear was great,
and I did see this morning that Uh someone instagram
are tweeted at the director Damian Leone for Terrified and
said we need a start of petition for being the
movie and he said, oh, don't worry about that. So
that's I should have trys told you. I didn't say
that for two years of like easy layoup. She's gotta
be in Terrifator for you know.
Speaker 3: They they met, uh this past summer. I know that
much that they met and so I and then she
did something where she was at a concert and they
had are killed down there and.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it's fantastic and like it and it's
so funny to me. It's like does Michael cord tripla,
you know what the fuck this movie is?
Speaker 5: Like when they're just like, yeah, he was like straight
reading from like the script is like that's the popular
horror film franchise Terrifier and this character is Art the clown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like like is not like a family
probably but definitely off family probably.
Speaker 5: Like like on like they have ria and like Art
the Clown merchless.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, and it's just like this. This is
one of the most gruesome, like awful characters of old
time Art the clown, Like he is a fucking monster.
But it's like, yeah, kids, get that shirt, but you're
very very cool. But yeah, there's just a couple of
spots where they're just a little clunk gone. I also
agree that it's what I don't like. Becky was cheasing
up way too much for me in this matches like
the j u is the thing right now, it's part
of her character, but in this one, which like I
wish it's okay. Now the man's back, I'm gonna kick
some ass and have a few moments of fear, but
just just a little too over the top. There's this
moment it's where Becky gets the t bone souple set
up the bexploater and Charlotte supposed to also do it,
but it's like ten seconds of her like waiting for
then she does. It didn't feel natural, and then there
was oh, maybe it's in my notes. There's just another
time too where it's just something happened. And I will
say also, oh, the Charlotte miss saved. That was another
one where they're gonna go miss Rhea and like Charlotte's
like waiting and then she like moves around the last minute,
and the other thing this was the women's fault too.
I just felt like the camera crew was like missing
a lot. They were going to the wrong cameras at
different times. They're going to the cameras where it's like
someone's back and it supposed to be there, like big
moment between like Becky and a j and obviously it's
like Naya's shoulder. It's so some of it was not
out their fault. Some of the think was the crew.
Speaker 5: Just with the with the men's morgans to like they
missed bronze spearing Roman and like yeah they did, like
like Drew like I think he like low blowed Cody
and like no one even yeah.
Speaker 2: No one saw it at all, which I do understand.
Speaker 1: It's a crazy match. But that's where as the producers
you kind of have to be like, Okay, here's some
more time in between some of these or just like just.
Speaker 3: Wait, tell the cameraman, here are the spots you need
to see because Michael Cole had to tell us about
the low blow afterwards.
Speaker 2: He goes, you guys didn't see it, but we did.
Speaker 1: There was a low blow over here.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you guys know this spot is going to
be happening. Why don't you say, hey, tell camera two,
you know, be prepared. We're gonna cut you for this
low blow. Even if it is just a quick cutaway,
you hit the low blow, then you cut back to
the action.
Speaker 2: We at least still see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 5: It's something I felt like AW got better on as
they did more of like the the anarchy and the
arena matches, like I remember, I think it was like
like the first two were like I forget which one
it was.
Speaker 4: There was one not this year's Anakar arena. I think
last year's it was.
Speaker 5: There was just like so much going on that the
cameras like, we're just like missing a ton of spots.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes year.
Speaker 5: This year I felt like they condensed it better and
we're catching everything. So I feel like, yeah, it's just
something they have to work on and tell.
Speaker 4: People, I guess to spread their stuff out more.
Speaker 5: Or just tell the cameras what they're kind of supposed
to be focused on it at exactly.
Speaker 4: When it happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I like i'd sell like fun enough of
this match, but I do think it's probably one of
the weaker ones in a little bit there. But again
that age I get the way.
Speaker 5: Then last year's I'd say, I'd say because last year's
it was kind of like there was just some like
it was like this year, I felt like they did
the opposite in terms of weapons. I feel like this
pash didn't really use that many weapons and like they
didn't even get a table in there and stuff. Last
year was like every single person would come in with
with the weapon and then spend like three minutes under
the ring putting.
Speaker 4: Stuff out like every Yeah, that sone was like.
Speaker 5: I did like more than actually want some more like
wrestling in it instead of just like using the weapons.
Speaker 1: The whole time.
Speaker 3: But do you want that many weapons in there when
you've got lash Legend who's never been in this type
of match, You've got a returning aj Lee, and then
you've got the Queen of Batches Naya Jacks, Like, do
you do you want to risk table spots with with
these three? And they're like because you don't want anything
happening to AJ. You don't want Lash to look dumb
in her debut. And again you have Nia Jackson. On
a separate note, what the hell was with that white,
green and gear?
Speaker 1: It was so the buzz light. Your gear was a
odd choice for a war and it did not fit.
Speaker 2: Her being on the heel team.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I I I get like when they
had everyone coming out in white during blood and Guts
and things like that, like you have the white versus
the red, like everyone kind of had themed gear, but
your gear wasn't matching anybody was just distracting the entire time.
I kept asking myself, what is going on with this gear?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she'd let the greatest and the match, we'll see
what happens. But yeah, and I'm kind of fine with
warreams if it doesn't always have weapons, especially I would
kind of like like to dictate if they go, okay,
have one do the more weapons and one be the
more wrestling. But I think there was a good bounce that,
So no, I think you're right. I suppose as far
as not having too much in there, too much clutter
and whatnot.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and some people for this match were like predicting.
I don't know really why. I never really got this sense,
but there are some people that are like, oh, like
Alex is.
Speaker 4: Gonna turn heel on Charlotte.
Speaker 5: I was like one of the predictions for this match,
know is like, I don't really think that's gonna happen.
But if anything, it made that this partnership isn't really
ending anytime. Yeah, And I feel like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I will say also too, because you know,
I always bring this up. I think it's the eight
or O nine Rumble. One of my favorite stare downs
is co Randy Or and john Sen where they trying
to do the stare down and the crowd doesn't react
all because they're just like over it. Actually think it
was like twenty ten because they're both babyfaces. Still the
crowd show there's still some meat on the bone for
like Charlott Becky because when they stared down, the crowd
reacted right, so, which I kind of I am interested
in the future because they did the whole they weren't friends,
they got back together, but now Becky's heel, so I'm
curious to see where that could go in the future.
I don't think that's for a while now because they
got different stuff going on, but the crowd still still
like liked that dynamic. So that was good to see.
Speaker 5: The Four Horsewomen reunion Charlotte, Becky Bailey and Alexa Well.
Speaker 3: They they mentioned the Four Horsemen on a couple Four
Horsewomen on a couple of occasions, but they never said
who the members were. They're like, yeah, we've got two
of the four Horsewomen here, We've got the ground breaking
you know, these women were trend set us within the
Four horse Women, but they never mentioned who the other
two were.
Speaker 5: So it was funny like them getting like like the
ww like history sort of sort of confused, and now
that A. J. Lee is back because they're like the Horsewomen,
like they broke the glass ceiling and then like it
just started.
Speaker 4: Was like, well, well really started.
Speaker 1: But like yeah, because he said they started, and they's like,
actually they finished the evolution. It's like, well, I don't
think they finished it either. I think they just propelled
like they wasn't like, wasn't finished for a while. We
stilled the butterfly te So it is funny because it's
like the weird w W indoctrination thing where it's like
for a decade, it's been like a j did not
start this, Okay, Okay, now that she's back, like well no, no, no,
like she like she had a big part of it,
you know, like telling everybody. So it is funny to
see you're going.
Speaker 5: To credit but they need to do the aj Lee
like w a documentary where now they just go vack
in and say they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they still give us a big punk one. They
never gave us a fucking they filmed all those behind
scenes for Survivor series. We never got like a big
punk like I thought a year after we still got that.
I do miss the docs.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that once when it comes to
the women's evolution and them talking about it, I'm okay
with them crediting aj for kicking it off because I
do think that her tweet was like the main calyst
for it.
Speaker 2: And then you have the four horse swimming.
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna talk about who finished capping it off,
that has to be Becky Lyunch and the main inventing
WrestleMania like that. So when they were saying, oh, no,
these are the women who finished it, I'm like, no,
the Redhead, that's the woman who finished it. Her becoming
the man and main eventing and being so big that
no one could deny her. And then Rhea Ripley has
just taken the ball and absolutely run fucking wild with it.
She has propelled that to a whole new level.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well that's thing even someone that loves aj.
It's just like she did kind of start those wheels sturm.
But she did so leave. I'm not saying she shouldn't
have left, but she did leave, and it had to
be the other ladies that did that, right, Usually she
could have left, then no one does it, and then
it's just a tweet somewhere, right, so they had to
pick it up. And again, as much as I don't
think she's the greatest person, like ron and Rossi deserves
that credit too, right, because she put a lot of
eyes on. Like I think there's a good chance if
it's just Becky and Charlotte, they're probably not main inventing
that WrestleMania, right because they have Ronda there to like
appeal to more of the mainstream. It's like, okay, we
can do that because like again we haven't other than Sasha,
you know, Money and Bianca, there has not been another
woman's main event a WrestleMania and even then.
Speaker 4: That's still on the main event.
Speaker 5: Like that was like they announced it's going to be
the main event like two days before Mania.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't what was the other one be.
Speaker 5: Drew and lastly that's the main event and they opened
the show instead.
Speaker 1: Drew and Lash. Oh right, because like, yeah, Drew long Drew.
Speaker 4: Loses to m VP hitting him with a cane.
Speaker 1: And then he like passes out on the full Nelson
or whatever.
Speaker 5: I think, right right, that's crazy they thought like that
like two days before they just switched it.
Speaker 1: That's fucking crazy that.
Speaker 5: Like you can find the news articles like they just
like like that was like the plan main event because.
Speaker 1: I remember the two days before, but sometimes I'd still
like wait a week before they fished announced, right, so
and I was watching full times, I didn't know. I
didn't know. That would have been crazy. And we Drew
and bobbed with that finish too, you know, like honestly,
they maybe they would have changed and if that was finished,
because would have been a downer one. But thank god
they didn't because and Sash is great. So anything else
on this pl or anything w wise we've missed from
talking about that.
Speaker 5: I like the outside venue a lot, like you said that,
like AJ's entrance of like the sunset outside, yeah, and
like when it got dark outside, like I thought, like
bron Breaker's entrance looked like really cool, like him coming
out of the tunnel and like the shout. I liked
the big tunnel too, that was cool again the camera
in there.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I liked I was saying, like I was excited.
Speaker 5: To see what like a Wargames National would look like outside,
and I thought it looked really cool seeing it in
a stadium there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get why people could sound white sometimes
double steams, but outside stadium, I'll take everything good.
Speaker 4: Like I thought, I didn't really notice, like it being like.
Speaker 5: Mister like that quiet because yeah, sound like in stadiums
that like dissipates into the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah it doesn't come back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously yeah we talked. We didn't talk about
but like, yeah, it Austin theory. If he's attacker, I
guess I to me, Austin theory does not fit this group.
He he. I didn't want him in the group to
begin with, but he fit more With Seth being there
with Braun and Bronson, they might tie to Paul Hayman.
That just doesn't work. I just don't feel Braun and
Bronson work with Austin like Logan Paul works more than
them with Austin theories. So I don't know. I think
this is to me their last attempt to like give
him the ball, and if this doesn't work, any theory
is gone whenever his next contracts up. I just again,
I don't think he's bad per se. I've just never
seen it. To me, he's similar like John Morrison, where
I think he's just missing. He's got the look, you know,
he's he's somewhat decent in the ring, but there's just
like it's literally an egg factor. You know, there's something
just missing to me with him.
Speaker 5: So I would say I'd even rather have had him
like like it's a meme. But like I do think
the crowd legitally didn't want to to turn face, Like yeah,
the earlier, I feel like that would work better than
like putting him in the vision unless the long unless
it's like like Tripling seesus like a long term plan
of like oh, like he'll turn face and like betray
the vision or something like that.
Speaker 1: But you're pitching Braun and Brock at Summer Slam. You're
getting awesome at Summer Slam in Minneapolis.
Speaker 5: I mean, I probably like that more than than Braun
and Brock, to be honest, two young guys in a
world title match in a big show. But I don't
really know what he's gonna do in the vision. The
only thing I can really think is, like, because you
always have sort of like the tag team and like
the mid card guy, I could see him being like
if Braun is gonna be like the world champion, you
you make like Theory and Bronson like the tag team,
or you have like.
Speaker 4: Or something that's such like oil.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you said, it would have made more And
it's like if Seth was still around. So I don't
really know, And since I can't reveal it here, like
I mean, I'm assuming they just revealed on rob but
like I don't know, maybe like this like mystery person
like keeps helping them like for.
Speaker 4: A while before actually revealing that Theory Americano Chad Gable
he's back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I know what they're gonna do with Theory,
I guess.
Speaker 3: No, I I have no excitement for the possibility with Theory,
like whatsoever. If it's him, cool, cool story bro. But
he I think they missed the mark on him so far,
and it's been so long that I just I have
no area where I can find excitement in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so go on to aw Actually.
Speaker 5: I do have something more for alating since we're not
gonna talk until seeing his show, since that's supposed to
be like the uh, the Main Roster versus NXT. I
just like some predictions of like let's say, let's say
the first hour of the show, it's a two hour
show first hours like Main Roster versus NXC, that's probably
like around three matches. I'd say, what do you think
those could be?
Speaker 4: Or what do you would you want them to be?
Speaker 1: You gonna get Javon in there again, I know they
keep spamming him, but like he's not the main roster.
Speaker 4: I see people saying, and I do think this would
be good.
Speaker 5: Would be like aj Styles and Dragon Lee against Javanna
and Leon Slater.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you could do a team. I just
I don't want Javon to get too affiliate with Slater,
and I just worry they just like you guys should
get some matching gear and then he's a tag guy
right when you have because I don't think I think
he's wrong, but I think people think like him. That
statement Mark Henry made this week where in about fifteen years,
Javon will be ready, and I guarantee there's people like that, like, yeah,
he goes the brown breaker. What was the only guy
under thirty to be in the War Games match? Right,
there's a lot of people, well, you gotta pay your dues.
So that's been only Rory that they don't want him
to be stuck in at tag team. So I would
prefer almost just take it away your theory of people
saying that could be right, but just do a j
and Javon actually like, just take me that. Like I
know they've they've been trying to do the Slater thing maybe,
but yeah, so Javon and something, I mean trying to
think about what woman. Obviously for me, it's just like.
Speaker 5: I feel like, so if if they have to get
one woman, I feel like it's probably sol Ruka. Yeah,
I would love it to be like Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could say that. I would love even with Charlotte,
I would love to be Charlotte and Blake. I know
she's champed right now, but like and it's a while
for her call up, I imagine, but it's still like,
let's see what she does, Like let's like throw in
the hot water, do that mere entrance on Saturday Night.
It's made event like that that like Charlotte versus and
she can lose to Charlotte and be fine. She can
lose like Charlotte being an exted like Moroe rhyme Ray
is like that's completely from a well and even then,
right they were in that camp yeah, like I yeah,
there's just something.
Speaker 5: Like but people have like lined up when she was
like in that block she's saying like she was unhappy
with like.
Speaker 4: I remember being like a week later she was with
Charlotte Lake in that thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so no, I like Charlotte and Blake Monroe
like soul rookie, you might be right there. Grace is
always an option to because she's dabbling main roster a
little bit, but I'm kind of cheer like hoping for Blake.
I think that'd be fun. And then if it's another
another person, I'm trying to.
Speaker 4: Think that one person I'd like.
Speaker 5: I feel like if you want to get someone big
on the show, like you would do either like Punk
or Cody against like Ricky.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess you could. That'd be a huge dude. Yeah,
punking Ricky would be good. Punk and Ricky finally get
the Chicago fall all out. We never got that, or
I would love. My only problem with my last pick
is I'd want to be Oba. I just don't know
who you would pay with. I'd have Oba win it,
I would have them lose, but I'm just trying to think.
Like to me, it would be pert like I would
go like, but.
Speaker 5: I would say like Ova and like yeah Randy Ova
or like but then I don't know if I mean
Randy does kind of lose a lot these days.
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, they don't care about Randy.
Speaker 5: I feel like if you did, like if you want
to get like that like big big media match would
be Oba and Seamous.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did. Yeah, I could see that because they've
worked on a house show, right, an xty house show
a couple of times. I think right there was something
where they did like a triple thread.
Speaker 5: I think Seamus and and Jovan had like a match
on a n I see how show.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think they did Ova and Russ. I don't know,
I see how show. I don't know if that was
like months ago that was like planning for.
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, but those would be my three. I have Ova, Blake,
and JIB and those are the three like up there
with some combination, and I want one of them to win.
I don't want it just be a clean sweep. And
then if that person wins, then like I said, I
get a big win and then rumble time he's you know.
Speaker 5: That would be after because deadline is this like Saturday,
so then that would be the week after. So I
assume we probably got these match announcements like either I
don't think this week, like I mean maybe depends.
Speaker 4: I mean they've already sold the place out.
Speaker 5: They don't need to like sell more tickets, so I
feel like they'll probably announce it on.
Speaker 1: Next versus somebody and you're fine, you.
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, So I feel like they'll probably announce it
after deadline. That probably depends to on like who wins
those matches as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 5: You could do like a mini prediction there of who
wins those deadline matches.
Speaker 1: I feel like, what's the lineup again for both of them?
I can read how to hear that before I can
make us full educated guests, and I can't remember the
winner gets a title shot, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: New New Year's Eviel. I can read them off here.
Speaker 5: So for the men, it's it's Javon, Leon Slater, Joe Hendry,
Dion Lennox and Miles Bourne.
Speaker 1: Uh. Probably the fucking dark Steak Guy's gonna get it right.
I feel like Ricky's a babyface, he's the heel. I
feel like he's gonna do a sneak yeah, because they
get it right away. So I'm gonna say the dark
Stak guy due to some shenanigans, unfortunately, but I agree.
Speaker 5: For the women, it's Kolonie Jordan's Soul, Ruka, Jordan Grace,
Lolavice and Kendall Gray.
Speaker 1: Get fucking Jordan Grace out of there already, get into
the main roster.
Speaker 2: My man, that was.
Speaker 1: A tougher one for me to call to because it's
Colony's She's not her teenage champion anymore. Right, No, she's not. No,
that's but I guess that's too. She's is she heel?
Technically yeah, that'd be two heels.
Speaker 4: I feel like they really want to show.
Speaker 5: I feel like depends because I don't think jac would
lose it necessarily, like to this person who wins this match.
So I kind of feel like they're really putting a
spotlight on Kendall Gray. I could see you winning this
and then losing the title match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm with you there. I think Kendle Gray,
or I'd say soul Ruka if they're playing like the
fully Strap roup, like if Jase Jane is gonna lose it,
then she'd be the person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking soul Ruka because isn't Kendall Gray
still evolved champion, Like, I don't know if you want
to have your evolved champion win this and.
Speaker 2: Then lose aw method. Yeah, so I'd go with sol Ruka.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think unless it is just like I guess,
an easy win for j C Jane and yeah, yeah,
there's a lot like Jacy Jane who's been up there
for a long time joined Grace, Like I'm hoping Rumble.
It's like, let's get like a bunch of these people
up here, you know, but I guess we'll see.
Speaker 5: I mean, this year's Rumble kind of like the NFC
people who were in it were all the ones who
got called up besides Jada Parker and Jane park You
guys haven't been on TV, and like, I don't know
how long. I feel like she was like feuding with
lash Legend and like cost her a couple of matches
and then I think they got told they were calling
up lash Legend and then that storyline was just like
completely dropped and like Jada Parker wasn't on TV again.
But I was gonna say this past this year's rumble,
like the Naxty people were in it were Julia, Stephanie Rock,
San Lash, and Jada Parker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always bigger, It's always bigger names and stuff.
So that's why I'm still still confident with Soul. I'm
sticking with Soul for now.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I can see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we'll see well on other predictions and
if we're going to the aw side here. So we
got the coming out of Classic that started. We got
the Blue League, which is John mox Ley Claudio casting only,
the new CMLL World champion, Kenoche Takeshta, Roderick Strong, Mascara Derado,
and Orange Cassidy. And then the Gold League is Ocata Speedball,
Mik Bailey, Kyle Fletcher, Kevin Knight Pack and Darby Allen.
Obviously some of these matches happen. I'm still not watching
the I'm gonna catch up all on Tuesday. Obviously I've
seen the result, but yeah, I'm I liked this field.
I think we kind of talk about in the discord.
I do feel like with this field we've I guess
we talk about a few things too, with the title
lineage everything. It sucks because I wish in name the
Owen Hart Cup Classic or whatever was this, because it's
because this is like their version of the of the
g One, right, But the problem is it's just like
they win this weird fucking title that we don't like it.
We'll win the Connell Classic. But it's like, now there's
a undisputedite. This whole lineage thing We've talked about many
times when won't rant and everyone feels the same, it's dumb, DK,
It's dumb. It's like they should have just did undisputed
title and now all those titles like this ternament is
for that title. And even then it does feel weird,
where especially some years, I feel like it's been like, okay,
half the half the I guess it's maybe like that.
I say, just half the people are main event guys
and half of them are not. And I guess that's
kind of it, right, Like Monk is a main guy.
Speaker 5: Like last year you had like like Commander and like
the yeah Mort's and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I guess this year definitely feels there's definitely still like
mid carters, right like Bailey, Kevin Knight, like Derad, like
there's mid carters, but just feels like, especially storyline wise,
like Fletcher Ocada, Moxley, Claudio Takeshta, even Cassidy Pack and
Darby on, it feels like there's more main event talent
than there's ever been in there. So that's where it's
just like what are you gonna win? You're just gonna
win this title that's been on Ocatta's shelf for the
past couple of months. Like that's just a problem within itself.
Like like we said before, like give it something where
it's a number one spawn of gone make it. I've said,
just a trophy, it should be a title match. But
the problem is then it's like then what's the owen, right,
because it's like the owen that's supposed to be the
big thing is absolutely this is so much harder to win.
Then the owen is like you just gotta win three matches,
where this is like you gotta beat multiple guys, you
gotta go to a semi finals finals. But I love
the lineup. I was very happy by Kevin Knight because
I have not seen much of Kevin Knight before, and
then when he wrestled that, it was ausprey in another
match he had where it's like, I love this guy,
and so I'm really hoping they gave him a big
win on Darby. And that's why I love that they're
giving people big wins to start the tournament. So I
really hope now that I don't know if jet Speed's
really happened anymore, I hope this kind of propels him pauc.
I'm excited seeing here and I'm surprised they're doing it
next week. But mox versus Claudio is gonna be super
interesting and to meet.
Speaker 5: Claudio's ideas on what could happen with this match, I
think option one is Claudio just beats him.
Speaker 1: Claudia gotta being in my opinion, but.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's the other option I could see
is like instead of Moxley having like the losing streak,
which I mean they're not doing because he beat like Dorada.
I feel like I don't think he's just gonna go
zero zero for zero.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the other option, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Claudio just beats him, or I could see him
going to a draw here and they end up like
in their semi final like at World tend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that, and that's where yeah whatever,
because I still I was surprised, which luckily you reminded
me that, and I hope they do this story on
that Fletcher beat o'cotta last year and then they beat
him this year. I would love it if Ocada's story
with Fletcher is he's the one guy has his number
for some reason, this fucking you know, will Osbury's trainee
just like can't just always beat o'catton. O'Conor doesn't know
what it is, but I still feel like the finals
of this, in my opinion, gotta be d Quest and o'conna,
Like if it's not that, because that's the story, right,
o'cada is like the tournament wrestling, like you know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if like because then when you have
I guess.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely absolutely, like that's the story, right, He's you're
building up this and then you built you beat the
ultimate tournament wrestler in a tournament, cause like what he
won this? And then what didn't o'conna has he won
like three g ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my only issue with this is that for as
many wrestlers as aw has, like I get having both
Takeshta and o'cat in there, because again you've got the
tournament wrestler versus you know, his rival on the other side.
Speaker 1: Four wa and the g one four winds.
Speaker 3: Over half of this or at least half of the
participants are either don Kallis family or Death Riders, and
then you've got another grouping here, another tag team here,
with the exception of Darby and Dorata, Like there's nobody
who's just a solo riding person. So you've got all
these teams and things like that, like diversified a little bit.
I get the fun of all these two guys are
on the same team, but you got three different.
Speaker 2: Members of the Death Riders.
Speaker 3: You got three different members of the don Kallis family,
Like there's it's just so over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two conglomeration and even Darby.
Speaker 1: You guys just interacting with them so much like he's
not death right, but like he's death right or adjacent, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Kevin knighton speedball and another one like it just
doesn't make sense the way that you have all.
Speaker 2: Of these set up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point.
Speaker 2: That's my only thing. Diversify your people.
Speaker 3: And to your point about this versus the Owen, like
when you win the Owen, like you have the tournament,
you get a belt, you get to stand next to
a trophy, you get a title shot, you have all
this other stuff. Like I think that this should be
since you get a ceremonial belt in the time with
uh doctor Martha Hart and then you get a title
shot from there at all this.
Speaker 1: To your biggest ev end of the year, don't forget.
Speaker 3: I think this should be their their trophy thing as well.
So if you want to have the continental title, travel
with whoever wins. But I think, like how with the
g one you have them posing with the trophy.
Speaker 2: At the end.
Speaker 1: I love the big trophy, so not.
Speaker 2: I think this should this should be the trophy one.
Speaker 3: Either one should be a trophy, the other one the
title shot or the title you know, or you could
flop them and this is the title shot and the
Owen is the trophy either way, I think we.
Speaker 1: All have that agreement that in retrospect they should have
flipped them. I imagine they the Owen is.
Speaker 2: Just so heavy on awards.
Speaker 3: And then you're like, yeah, here's this big tournament that
is our version of the g One.
Speaker 1: Where you break your back over to win. And here's
like a belt that, like I said, hasn't been defended
since what all in you know, it's just been there.
And that's saying with this whole lineage thing, and yeah,
so I guess what Takesha's gonna beat him? But then
technically o'kind.
Speaker 4: Of still wrestle Kingdom of It.
Speaker 1: Well yeah that, but doesn't he No he has he
would still have the Internet, yeah, which.
Speaker 5: Again and then the unified title would just like cease
to exist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I guess he'll get busted out the next
time someone has these specific two belts or is it
any two else?
Speaker 3: Is any any two belts? Is this like a tier
one tier two belt? Like what's the combination here?
Speaker 1: Is Claudio Dennett for being CML champion on Trio, Like
if you gets like Trio's back, you know.
Speaker 3: If Kyle Fletcher wentz and has it, has T and
T and this does he get the unified title?
Speaker 1: Like how good Joe? We forgot about Joe, right, he's
a double champ right now, he's trios and world chap
He should have not just be the title, you know,
go shell it just yeah, who knows? And also I
will say, because he's not in this, just want to
because we're talking about titles again. Man, I am washing it.
But I saw a clip of Ricochet and this country
music singer and it's like, man, they're giving Rickchet, Like
I thank god he's going to wrestle, but like he's
just a bad couple of weeks of TV. Man. I
I don't feel bad because I think he's happier because
like I think he did want just like wrestle, some
longer stuff, which he's happening in a w but it's
just like this North American Championship is just like he's dead.
It's deader than that, and we just got it. Like
I hope that it's cool for Indy. I hope like
they'll use it on independent circles where like oh cool,
you got aw champion here, but uh yeah, we'll see.
And I do think because that we told us the
discord that yeah, Rodny s Trunk probably sucks that Kyle
Riley's non this because he was having some like good
momentum that would have been good. I do wonder if
this is long term, but I do wonder if Dorata
TK likes him. But I wonder if this was on
Drada's spot, And I really do feel like it would
have been on drawd spot because I.
Speaker 4: Was thinking about that, like, yeah, loved loved it.
Speaker 1: Time in AW he was the Connell Classic. His last
match was against Brian and they had he was great.
He's great and just hey, go wrestle random dude on
Dray right, So I feel like that would have been him.
All he's doing right now is just getting random fights
with Dave Melt So you can look at that. It's
just like the saman stuff you said, they and the like,
just like wrestling argument sometimes like man, just put the
thing down, just don't go talk to your lawyer, get
out of there, come back to AW. But uh yeah,
and then the only thing we got fault was we
got swerve and hang in. They're kind of team enough
to take off take on.
Speaker 2: Black coat a black coat hangman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's drinking too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this this is black Coat Hangman, which means
he's gonna switch up the theme song again. He's gonna
swip a couple of beers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious what's gonna happen. I do kind of
hope in the next six months it gets back to
me being a heal and something happens. I don't know
if they are gonna fully do the Swerve Hangman run.
They might, I could see that, but yeah, we kind
of figured this a boo on self. Mabe he's a
scooper here before that he had heard the same thing,
so we were right. That sounded like the ideas are
gonna do Joe Hangman Swerve at the pay review, but
maybe m Jeff all he said he's been told it's
a four way, didn't say who is. And it's like, well,
we kind of know what's happening. It's gonna be and
if this is it, we'll cut back to in December
because likely what we'll do that December January, she'll be
a World's End review and our awards if they do
Swerve Hangman Joe and M Jeff and m Jeff just
wins the title. Why did Hangman not just keep it
what like, it makes way more sense for M Jeff
to get the cheap heel in a four way when
the Bay faces a champ not like what Joe the
heels losing, like unless m Jeff just pins Joe. I
guess that's just definitive. But like, I need to see
what happens. This is a super weird, super weird thing,
like I yeah, I just I'll have to see a
play out. Like so not much more information, but now
that's been rumored, just a weird way to get there.
Just let hang men hold the December and I have
and then because the good thing is you gonna have
MGF beat him and then you got an install like
program for M Jeff and hang in to do a
rematch and MGF can beat him again, right, Like, just
I want to see how plays out. I am very
curious about Winter is coming there doing Kingston versus Joe.
We'll see what Kingston because since he's been back hasn't
looked the greatest great promo and jokes, but that's what
an he can do, right, so we'll see what happens.
That's that's like the gun their soul thing where this
match could be go aspire out of control, real bad
of being just very meh. But I'll be there. I'll
see what happens. But yeah, and then also to the ladies.
Right now, we're waiting on what Marina and Baine versus
Tony and uh Mina, which is yeah, like what your deathmatch? Yeah, which,
like you said, it was interesting when Will and Harley one.
I kind of like that because one it's I'm always
a sucker for babyface versus Bayface. So I'm fine if
it's Tony and Mina versus those two. But I'm also
fine if Tony doesn't get there, and if it's Megan
and Marina, like one of these four ladies gets to
hold like a first time thing, you know, like Tony's
gonna be over no matter what. So I would I
would like it if if if it's Marina and Baine
in the finals, I would kind of like them to win.
I know it sucks for four to sit there and
watch them get the win, but I really like, like
I said, Marina's really coming to her own. I think
it'd be good to give Bay Baine like a first
time thing. But I don't know what. I don't have
a prediction, do you guys have a prediction of who's
gonna actually win the thing. Also, we don't know the
finals yet, but we got the three teams.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping Megan Bain's team because I like how much
of a powerhouse they've been making her look. But it's
it's kind of hard to say right now. I mean,
they've they've been given all the teams a lot of shine,
so it's not like there's been one team that's just
been dominant, either in ring or by commentary bigging them
up to really see who's in the best position to win, Like, oh,
you could tell they're the favorite, But I think for
Megan Bane's presentation, having them go over would be the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what we guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like you said, Like, I feel like from
the start our predictions where that was gonna be Tony
and Mina. But then yeah, I would say.
Speaker 4: I kind of agree.
Speaker 5: I would want baanen and and Marina to go all
the way to the end and win those titles. I
feel like, with there being a lot of face teams,
could be better to have the heels be true, yeah,
and then have one of those other teams then beat
them down the.
Speaker 1: Line and they can always win it later to like
Tony and Mina, like at any time you can have
them win. But you say, used to do that in
the with those UK tournaments. They always had like the
person you thought would win lose and later on they
won because they're like Pete Dunn or Rihea. It's like, yeah,
they're already over. They'll they'll get it at some point,
you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I feel like, really between I don't think
I'll say, I don't think it's it's Willow and Harley,
but I think it could be either Mina and Tony
or Baine and Rina and.
Speaker 1: It's will Hardy. Then they need to get like those
puppets made for everything. They need to start going because
I do know people like Carley. But yeah, I agree
that I don't think it's them, but you never know.
Maybe this is t k's thing. Like you guys really
like Willow and like I'm gonna give her something here, right,
So I don't know, I don't think so, but you know,
you never you never know what these bookers sometimes when
they wake up and like what the what they're thinking
that day?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got a whole tag team name and everything.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I mean they all have, I guess
besides the.
Speaker 5: Marina and Bane the other two of tag team names.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, so we had Mercedes in Athena,
they didn't have a tag team name.
Speaker 2: Queen Amnada Jamie.
Speaker 3: Haters, so Sisters is sen Babes Wrath and the Timeless
Love Bombs are the only ones really with a actual
tag team name. I don't count them as a tag
team name. That's just two homies being homies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else we haven't touched upon talked about world
title kind of classic tag team.
Speaker 5: It kind of seems like stat Lamberer's next challenger is
gonna be that.
Speaker 1: Club, right, Yeah, I'm excited, Like let's stare.
Speaker 5: Down with like the Triangle of Madness and like they
were the ones in the middle.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I hope we get I hope we on
the way get Statlander versus Sky and then Julius and
Sky Julian Statlin like have some histories, so I think
they'll be fun. Yeah, Tackle that makes sense. I am
curious because she's saved. What I really want is throw
me a freaking bone here already. Just have Hater turn
heel and get like, give me just a three month
program of Chris and Hater just going at it like
have Hater beat her and then Chris went it back,
Like like I just I was kind of hoping that
was gonna happen when Chris saved her on aw, so
I'm hoping that's the next thing because I just Hater
is getting just flounder. But Tech lend Chris out. I
think that'll be a good match. I think they'll have
like a good style because Chris will be the powerful
and then Tech will just be the striker and weird
spider cross bodies and everything and you know, move on
to the next one.
Speaker 5: So because it is really short too, I feel like
I hadn't really noticed that until like like the flood
and Guns match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when she did the face to face and you're like, oh,
she's looking up.
Speaker 1: Because I just got it because obviously his long dreamer.
I just want to see what is the next pay
per view after World's because I know we got Rumble.
Revolution is a revolution that's not till Marsh, So like.
Speaker 4: A Grand Slam in there, like Grenslam Australia.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, let's see you let's see how that goes.
Speaker 4: As the House rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah they don't. Yeah, they have no dates listed for
anything to do in twenty six yet, other than all
in at August thirtieth with Rosy, they're just waiting on.
Speaker 5: PLAM Australia February fourteen, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you could even have Tony win the taketails there, right,
you could delay it till that, like now now that
that day is on there, you could really.
Speaker 4: I guess, but it's still like a big event.
Speaker 1: They make it to be like a TV special, right,
and then if you have that as the main event,
right Tony and Mina versus you know, Bain and Severe,
then yeah, that could work. So okay, so yeah, then
yeah there'll be a big brea because we get the room,
but then won't get to revolutions we have to see.
So yeah, that's the plan. We'll be back for scene
his last match, so we'll talk about seen his last
match and all the other matches there. We'll talk about
whatever's happening. We'll do an update at that point because
we'll probably be closer to knowing what is well. I
guess they'll be midway, I guess, watch some ideas with
Connell Classics. We'll tell talk about that and then yeah,
whatever else pops up, so that'll be the next time
is likely December fourteenth, unless something crazy happens, but always
look out for social media Patreon, try to announce it
on there when the time is so. Yeah, no, this
was fun. Thank you Jimmen for joining me as always.
Oh and I guess we will be back at some point.
December is a little busy. As we said, Gmode will
probably start up again. We'll do a couple there'll be
a couple of months, we'll do like a make good
of like a do two in a month and whatnot.
Once the holidays are over, there'll be a lot more
time and stuff. So we got the wrestling we want
to do. We gotta finish season three and then we'll
go on to season four, and then by that time
we'll have to see if two thousand or twenty six
anything happens, if there's anything new and whatnot. So uh,
here you go is gymen. We'll be back after Sina's
last match, and we promise you it will not be boring.
But