Speaker 1: How often should you be required to ID when you
Speaker 1: are on parks, on the air, when you're working a
Speaker 1: pile up, even a pilot from anywhere, When you're working
Speaker 1: a pilot from anywhere, how often should you ID? And
Speaker 1: what is the best practice scenario? I want to talk
Speaker 1: about this today because this is something we've talked about before.
Speaker 1: But this is a good article I found, So let's go.
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Speaker 1: of HR two cables once again. This is another Reddit article.
Speaker 1: I almost said QRZ once again. This is another Reddit article.
Speaker 1: It's seventeen days old at the time of this recording,
Speaker 1: and it says rant constantly calling qrzed, never giving your
Speaker 1: call sign. Now there's a few there. This is a
Speaker 1: short article and there's a few good comments on this.
Speaker 1: But this is something we have I've talked about before.
Speaker 1: We talked about this on live streams. I've done live
Speaker 1: streams with the Hamrado Happy Hour, I've done live streams
Speaker 1: with other guests whatnot, and we have talked about calling
Speaker 1: qr Z and running pile ups and how to do
Speaker 1: PODA and PoTA etiquette and all of this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: We've talked about many of these things before, so when
Speaker 1: I saw this article, it kind of hit home for me,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about it. This guy's mostly correct.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with one hundred percent of what he says,
Speaker 1: but he is mostly correct. He says, I've been trying
Speaker 1: to make a contact with the PoTA station for the
Speaker 1: last five minutes so, and there's a comment later on
Speaker 1: that that speaks to this. So, according to the article,
Speaker 1: he tries for five minutes to make contact with the
Speaker 1: PoTA station and then stops to write this QRZ article. Really,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just the way it's worded. Man,
Speaker 1: It's just the way it's worded. Okay, as far as
Speaker 1: I'm aware of, the guy's call sign seems to be QRZ.
Speaker 1: The guy has not once given his call since I've
Speaker 1: tuned up on the frequency. Well, first of all, if
Speaker 1: you have only been there for five minutes, then he's
Speaker 1: not required to ID because you're required to ID once
Speaker 1: every ten minutes. So the point so far is moot. Okay,
Speaker 1: you might not like it, but there's nothing. There's no
Speaker 1: rules being broken here. I know I could make a
Speaker 1: contact and ask for it, but I shouldn't have to.
Speaker 1: This is just common courtesy to identify yourself. Maybe not
Speaker 1: every time you call, but every second and fourth call
Speaker 1: seems reasonable. No, Well, to you, it might, but if
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of running a pile up, you
Speaker 1: just may not be thinking about it. If he's just
Speaker 1: working people over and over again without ID and they
Speaker 1: aren't asking for his ID, they're getting it from somewhere,
Speaker 1: So where are they getting it from that you're not seeing.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say, who are you? What are
Speaker 1: you calling about? Why should I make contact with you?
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I do think it's annoying when
Speaker 1: PoTA operators are not like saying QRZ parks on the air.
Speaker 1: I usually say my calls on. I'll say CAC five
Speaker 1: H shild B parks on the air, and I'll say
Speaker 1: qr ZED from k C five H should be parks
Speaker 1: on the air, something like that. Calling QRZ at this
Speaker 1: point ten minutes he's okay, Now he's in ten minutes
Speaker 1: straight without iding is just kind of obnoxious. If he's
Speaker 1: passed the ten minute mark, then he's in the wrong. Okay,
Speaker 1: but this is the first time he's been in the
Speaker 1: wrong so far. You ought to be proud of your
Speaker 1: call signs spewed all over the airways. When activating, you
Speaker 1: might find your pile ups get a bit bigger from
Speaker 1: people like me coming back to you instead of getting
Speaker 1: frustrated with QRZ and moving along. Okay, all right, so
Speaker 1: there's some merit to that. I think he's got a point.
Speaker 1: It is a little bit frustrating when Poda operators won't id.
Speaker 1: But as another this is not for myself. I've worked
Speaker 1: parks on the air. I've activated ninety two unique parts
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty five activations. And the only reason
Speaker 1: I know that number I don't have it memorized. I
Speaker 1: just uploaded some potologus like two days ago, so I looked.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm up to ninety two unique parks.
Speaker 1: I need eight more to break that one hundred marks,
Speaker 1: so we'll be doing that soon. But regardless of that,
Speaker 1: I have worked pile ups on Poda. You can really
Speaker 1: kind of get rolling, and I find it a little
Speaker 1: bit unusual that no one came along and for his
Speaker 1: call sign during that ten minutes that this poster was
Speaker 1: talking about. I find that a little odd. Usually you'll
Speaker 1: have someone who's impatient who calls back to you that
Speaker 1: asks for your call sign because they don't have the
Speaker 1: patience to listen to you. Usually you'll hear that. So
Speaker 1: it's a little odd, but it's not impossible. Obviously, it's
Speaker 1: not impossible. It's totally doable that you could just go
Speaker 1: on for that long and not have anyone ID, or
Speaker 1: you wouldn't ID and no one would come back to
Speaker 1: you with your call sign either. So that is a possibility.
Speaker 1: So some of these comments are really good. The first
Speaker 1: one says, so ask for their call sign, maybe that
Speaker 1: will remind him to give it more often. He comes
Speaker 1: back that someone else replies to him. I've actually had
Speaker 1: this where I made a PoTA contact with another park
Speaker 1: and then when I made the contact, they just acknowledged
Speaker 1: me and went back to calling. Okay, so this guy
Speaker 1: was not a very good operator. Then the elmer who
Speaker 1: was with me and did the PODA at the same
Speaker 1: time finally took my mic and had to ask a
Speaker 1: half dozen times, getting increasingly annoyed. Finally, one other station
Speaker 1: must have heard and was like, hey, you got several
Speaker 1: people asking for a call sign, when are you going
Speaker 1: to id? And that's when he took and that's what
Speaker 1: it took to get it. Yeah, so that's just kind
Speaker 1: of a careless operator. And I wasn't there. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear this exact exchange, but from what you're describing, this
Speaker 1: sounds like a careless operator. And then this third and
Speaker 1: fourth one. Yeah, he's like, correct, you already had the
Speaker 1: microphone in your hand, but instead you put down the
Speaker 1: mic picked up the keyboard to scurry off to Reddit
Speaker 1: to piss and moan about people who aren't even there.
Speaker 1: This is a very low chance the Poda guy will
Speaker 1: even see this thread. OPI has become the dreaded guy
Speaker 1: who was yelling at clouds. Okay, so yeah, So, like
Speaker 1: I said at the beginning, it's unlikely that you actually
Speaker 1: listened to him for five minutes and then went and
Speaker 1: wrote this article. So you're probably this probably happened to
Speaker 1: you earlier in the day and you're writing it and
Speaker 1: you were looking at the time. I get it, I
Speaker 1: get it. It's cool. It's just the way it's worded
Speaker 1: is a little bit strange. I thought it's one of
Speaker 1: those things, but either way. Either way. Now, one thing
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Speaker 1: right here is my favorite comment. This is my favorite
Speaker 1: comment right here. No Bath eighty six thirty five. I
Speaker 1: don't disagree, but I get more annoyed by the people
Speaker 1: who ask for the station's call sign, even though they've
Speaker 1: been giving it out after every exchange because they couldn't
Speaker 1: be bothered to listen before throwing out their call. So yes,
Speaker 1: this right here in the original poster replies as I agree,
Speaker 1: which is why I wait to hear a call before
Speaker 1: making contact. But if I have to wait ten minutes
Speaker 1: to get your call, I'm not going to make contact.
Speaker 1: I can see that point as well. So with me,
Speaker 1: this is my personal opinion, this is my personal experience. Okay.
Speaker 1: And I have several times been calling cqpodaqpoda and I'll
Speaker 1: start working a pile up and I'll say, okay, qrzed.
Speaker 1: The next guy come back to me, okay QRZ. The
Speaker 1: next guy will come back to me, okay QRZ from
Speaker 1: Kilo Charlie five Hotel, Whiskey bubble Parks in the air.
Speaker 1: The next guy will come back to me, and then
Speaker 1: someone else will come back to me. Okay, And I
Speaker 1: have just said my call sign like a minute and
Speaker 1: a half prior to that, like a minute and a
Speaker 1: half prior to that, I said my call sign, and
Speaker 1: then someone comes back to me and says, now, what's
Speaker 1: your call sign again? I'm like Why are you calling
Speaker 1: someone that you don't know what their call sign is? Why?
Speaker 1: Why are you You can't be bothered to listen for
Speaker 1: more than ninety seconds because I just gave my call
Speaker 1: sign okay, and I'll probably give it again in two
Speaker 1: or three other roundabouts. But that is what I find
Speaker 1: more annoying than anything. I have listened and hunted PODA
Speaker 1: a lot of times in the truck. If I've got
Speaker 1: my HEF radio setup, which I do right now, a
Speaker 1: lot of times in the truck, I will listen. I
Speaker 1: will just scroll through the band and listen for people
Speaker 1: calling c Q PODA, and I'll do PODA hunting that way.
Speaker 1: And yes, sometimes it takes some people a long time
Speaker 1: to give their ID, that's true, But I think that's
Speaker 1: my experience is then that that's not as common, and
Speaker 1: it's much more common for someone to come along while
Speaker 1: you're activating PODA and call you and say, now, what's
Speaker 1: your call sign? I'm like, how do you not know
Speaker 1: my call sign? It just gave it ninety seconds ago,
Speaker 1: and why are you working me? Because if you didn't
Speaker 1: hear that, you probably didn't hear I was doing parks
Speaker 1: on the air, So why are you calling back to me.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm doing a special event that you don't care about.
Speaker 1: How do you know? That's kind I find that kind
Speaker 1: of annoying. That's my own personal rant. But there you go,
Speaker 1: right there, all right? So this one right here, this
Speaker 1: next comment right here, I especially liked. This was replied
Speaker 1: by Dan KB six and you now I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: right here. Dan's a great guy. He taught the technician
Speaker 1: class on my channel. It's currently he makes the no
Speaker 1: nonsense guides, and he taught a six hour technician class
Speaker 1: on this channel that you can go watch now if
Speaker 1: you want to get your first time radio license. And
Speaker 1: he's an excellent teacher and an excellent operator. But I
Speaker 1: don't agree with what he says here. So let's read
Speaker 1: this really quick. Okay, Angry Fox brewing? Cool? Is that
Speaker 1: a brewery? I need to go check that out. PODA
Speaker 1: in a pile up can definitely mean QRZ gets called
Speaker 1: a few times between the activators, but I agree ten
Speaker 1: minutes between ideas far too long. I personally try to
Speaker 1: id every other call of QRZED when I'm trying to
Speaker 1: activate and make sure listening stations can get the information
Speaker 1: and their log when they get through the pile up.
Speaker 1: It's also fair to just ask the station for their
Speaker 1: call sign immediately upon them coming back to you. That
Speaker 1: will likely help you and all the other stations listening
Speaker 1: if the idea is infrequent. Agreed, agreed, Yeah, so asking
Speaker 1: for their ideas good. And then Dan comes along the
Speaker 1: he says, not only is it too short to wait,
Speaker 1: is actually illegal to do so. The rules say you
Speaker 1: have to id every ten minutes or at the end
Speaker 1: of the communication, so that station should be iding after
Speaker 1: every q so. And then some guy came along and says, well,
Speaker 1: that rule didn't apply to me because I'm not in
Speaker 1: the United States. Blah blah blah blah whatever. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: quite literally, you're being too persnickety on that reply there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you haven't grown up yet. Yeah that makes sense. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's the dude's name. I don't know. But more back
Speaker 1: to the point with what Dan said. Okay, not only
Speaker 1: is it too long to wait, it's actually illegal to
Speaker 1: do so. I disagree. I disagree it's illegal to do so.
Speaker 1: Dan is correct when he says it's required to ide
Speaker 1: at the end of a communication, But in my mind,
Speaker 1: your PoTA activation is the communication. Just because you're talking
Speaker 1: to multiple people doesn't mean you haven't stopped the activation.
Speaker 1: You haven't gone qRT, you haven't put the mic down
Speaker 1: and packed up and gone home. You're still going if
Speaker 1: I work one contact, which would would mean that I
Speaker 1: don't activate the park. So let's say ten. If I
Speaker 1: work ten contacts or I work one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: contacts on the potoactivation, that's one PoTA activation. Assuming I
Speaker 1: do it within the twenty four hour UTC day, that's
Speaker 1: one PoTA activation, and I should ID at the end
Speaker 1: of I should idea every ten minutes, absolutely, but I
Speaker 1: should IDA at the end of that complete set of
Speaker 1: activation contacts. I don't think in the best spirit of
Speaker 1: the rules to end your to IDA at the end
Speaker 1: of every communication means if you're working a pilot and
Speaker 1: working one hundred people, that you have to IDEA a
Speaker 1: hundred times. I don't think that's what it means, or
Speaker 1: at least I don't interpret it that way. So I
Speaker 1: don't agree with what I see what he's saying, and
Speaker 1: he's not wrong. I'm just not defining the communication the
Speaker 1: same way that Dan is. I would like to know
Speaker 1: what you guys think about that specific topic inside of
Speaker 1: this whole topic. Put a comment in the video, blow,
Speaker 1: I'd like to know what you think. There's a few
Speaker 1: more comments in here, but they're all kind of basically
Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, the guy was obviously the activator,
Speaker 1: was obviously not iding often enough, no question there. If
Speaker 1: he was iding more than ten minutes, he was not
Speaker 1: iding often enough. But it's on you also, you as
Speaker 1: the hunter. You could go act to talk to him
Speaker 1: and ask for his call sign. There's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: that either. I understand you don't want to do that,
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I shouldn't have to, And I
Speaker 1: guess technically you're correct, But how much do you want
Speaker 1: to be right? Do you want to be right and
Speaker 1: not make the contact and not have that log that
Speaker 1: person content. Maybe you need that state for worked all states.
Speaker 1: Maybe you need that park because you're park hunter. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Is it worth not making the contact just
Speaker 1: because you think he's not operating correctly and something else?
Speaker 1: I think, and this is just kind of my own
Speaker 1: personal thing as well, but it seems to me like
Speaker 1: if you ID after every transmission that screams new operator.
Speaker 1: To me, everyone starts somewhere You learn as you go,
Speaker 1: you get better. We should all be doing parks on
Speaker 1: the air pilops and getting better, getting to be better operators.
Speaker 1: You'd always strive to be a better operator. I would
Speaker 1: like to know what you guys agree about this entire
Speaker 1: topic and article. I'll put a link to the article
Speaker 1: in the description in the in the in the description blow,
Speaker 1: you guys can go check it out in the comments section.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching today.