Speaker 1: Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
Speaker 1: covering the nineteen eighty six film Aliens.
Speaker 2: Welcome to spacing Now.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
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Speaker 3: plus many more things to come. So we are only
Speaker 3: focusing on Aliens, the second film today, so if there's
Speaker 3: any discussion of other entries into the franchise, we will
Speaker 3: save that for a spoiler section at the end of
Speaker 3: the podcast, So if you haven't seen the other movies yet,
Speaker 3: we will shield you from the spoilers. And although our
Speaker 3: coverage of Alien Romula came out last week, we were
Speaker 3: actually recording this prior to having seen Romulus, so we
Speaker 3: definitely won't be speaking about that film at all, but
Speaker 3: we are talking about Aliens, which premiered on July eighteenth,
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty six, was written by James Cameron, story by
Speaker 3: James Cameron, David Guyler, and Walter Hill, and directed by
Speaker 3: James Cameron.
Speaker 2: James Cameron did a lot in this movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, it felt very James Cameron. Yes, it did. And
Speaker 3: BB and I actually watched the extended cut. It was
Speaker 3: about twenty minutes longer. So there's some extra footage in there,
Speaker 3: and I'll kind of go through what the difference was
Speaker 3: here in a moment.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's why it was so long.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, But for a plot summary, fifty seven years
Speaker 3: after Ellen Ripley had a close encounter with the reptilian
Speaker 3: alien Creacher from the first movie, she is called back,
Speaker 3: this time to help a group of highly trained Colonial
Speaker 3: Marines fight off against the sinister extraterrestrials, But this time
Speaker 3: the aliens have taken over a space colony on the
Speaker 3: moon LV four two six. When the Colonial Marines are
Speaker 3: called upon to search the deserted space colony, they later
Speaker 3: find out that they are up against more than what
Speaker 3: they had bargained for. Using specially modified machine guns and
Speaker 3: enough firepower. It's either fight or die is the most
Speaker 3: Space Marines battle against the aliens. As the Marines do
Speaker 3: their best to defend themselves, Ripley must attempt to predict
Speaker 3: a young girl who is a sole survivor of the
Speaker 3: nearly wiped out space colony.
Speaker 2: And also kind of a replet replacement for her lost
Speaker 2: daughter that we never found out about in the previous movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll mention that in just the moment, but
Speaker 3: that's the mention of her daughter was an extended cut thing.
Speaker 3: But first, let's go through the vibe check.
Speaker 1: Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
Speaker 1: it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2: So I didn't care for this movie as much as
Speaker 2: I cared for the first one. It's not my favorite
Speaker 2: so far out of the two ife seen. The graphics
Speaker 2: were okay, but that first movie, the it was just
Speaker 2: a maze. I e the set and like they didn't.
Speaker 2: It just felt this movie felt like hokey pokey compared
Speaker 2: to the elevated craftsmanship of the first one. Somehow, like
Speaker 2: this one felt like flashy and more eighties, and I
Speaker 2: think it lost some of that original artisanal vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely like a more like polished movie.
Speaker 2: It's definitely also more mainstream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a different genre really, Like this is
Speaker 3: an action movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really Yeah, it was super action. And
Speaker 2: this didn't feel like it was universal like the last one.
Speaker 2: Like the last one really focused on the characters and
Speaker 2: this fear of the unknown and and you know, like
Speaker 2: having these people kind of like figuring out, like how
Speaker 2: are we going to get out of here? What are
Speaker 2: we going to do? This one it's just like a
Speaker 2: bunch of marines who were loud and gross and just
Speaker 2: like really, I don't think I connected with any one
Speaker 2: of them. None of the characters were sympathetic or were
Speaker 2: endearing or real. They were really hollow and it was
Speaker 2: just unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. It's a definitely a different beast than
Speaker 3: the first one.
Speaker 2: I think, you know who had more character? The fucking
Speaker 2: uh what's it called, the flamethrower? The flame thrower had
Speaker 2: more range than some of these characters. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just it wasn't for me. It could be very
Speaker 2: clearly not for me. So I'm not my cup of tea,
Speaker 2: But I'm glad I experienced it, and I can say
Speaker 2: that I've seen it, and it's definitely probably like part
Speaker 2: of like film history for James Cameron. Like I don't
Speaker 2: know how many other budget films he'd made before this one,
Speaker 2: but this one definitely shows his style and his like,
Speaker 2: I mean, he was on he was on display for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's really his first like big major buster. He
Speaker 3: had The Terminator right before this, right that was a
Speaker 3: low budget.
Speaker 2: Thing that was a big hit, so they gave him
Speaker 2: a lot of money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I like it. It did feel I
Speaker 3: mean maybe it was an extended cut, but it felt
Speaker 3: like a long movie today, But I like it. I
Speaker 3: like it as like a pair with the first movie,
Speaker 3: knowing that it's it's not the same thing as Alien.
Speaker 3: It's a very different movie and they're like two different
Speaker 3: sides to this. I don't know franchise story here, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I think I do prefer the way that first
Speaker 3: movie just felt more like intimate and like the ri
Speaker 3: And Yeah, because there's a lot of world building in
Speaker 3: this They really expand to show you more of like
Speaker 3: their society and.
Speaker 2: We learn more about that company and they're interworkings and
Speaker 2: the military, like everything is everything is bigger in this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there is something about it just being this
Speaker 3: isolated spaceship in the first movie that.
Speaker 2: It really like hits a nerve. Yeah, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: felt like this one wasn't relatable at all. So I mean,
Speaker 2: do you think it stands the test of time. I
Speaker 2: think it does for what it is. Even though I'm
Speaker 2: not like a fan of it, I can see how
Speaker 2: it can still be enjoyed by today's audience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's still like a really good action movie.
Speaker 3: It's got a really good like eighties style action movie.
Speaker 3: And maybe the casting doesn't hold up in the test
Speaker 3: of time since there is some brown face going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I was looking it up, and I've heard
Speaker 2: rumblings about, you know, because I it shows up like
Speaker 2: yellow face, and you know, people specifically, usually white people
Speaker 2: putting on a costume to resemble a different race or
Speaker 2: ethnicity and vast guess was it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that actor.
Speaker 2: Was not of Hispanic descent. Like if you google them,
Speaker 2: they're going to be a Jewish woman. So they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're vaguely ethnic. We'll just put a little bronzer on
Speaker 2: you and you'll be all right. And it's really sad
Speaker 2: because I feel like if they would have hired like
Speaker 2: a Latina or a Hispanic person and made the same character.
Speaker 2: It would have been really powerful to see this kind
Speaker 2: of queer representation on screen because she's very butch, she's
Speaker 2: very masked, and she's like, you know, calling Sigurdney Weaver Bonita.
Speaker 2: So it's just like very queer coded, and it's just
Speaker 2: like it degrades itself by being a caricature of somebody
Speaker 2: instead of actually being somebody of that race or ethnicity.
Speaker 2: So it's just really unfortunate because there was like a
Speaker 2: they were they were like testing stereotypes and stuff like
Speaker 2: they were they were breaking some barriers, but they were
Speaker 2: also using them in a way that was like problematic.
Speaker 2: So I'm just like one for one way, like it's
Speaker 2: like cool queer representation. On the other hand, it's a
Speaker 2: person pretending to be Hispanic. So it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: mixed feelings there. Yeah, it's super mixed. Because if if
Speaker 2: that character, like if I didn't know anything about that
Speaker 2: character as it as like in real life, like if
Speaker 2: I thought they were Latino or Latina or whatever, I
Speaker 2: would have been really excited. But like you can kind
Speaker 2: of tell, it's just very like it's laid on really
Speaker 2: thick with the accent and the the like Spanish that's
Speaker 2: all thrown in there. And you could argue that, you know,
Speaker 2: we're in a post race society or whatever, but it
Speaker 2: was made in the eighties, so there was still definitely
Speaker 2: race when you look at the context of the writing.
Speaker 2: So I think Castine did a really poor job in
Speaker 2: that they could have just had a Jewish woman play,
Speaker 2: like just be a Jewish woman too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if that's who they wanted to cast I
Speaker 3: don't think they would have to change that much in
Speaker 3: the script.
Speaker 2: No, she could have. She could have used Yiddish.
Speaker 3: Do I feel like they just wanted like a woman
Speaker 3: that was like tough and had that build.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she she met like the criteria for a
Speaker 2: lot of the like characteristics of that character. But like
Speaker 2: you know, it just felt inauthentic in so many ways.
Speaker 2: And I feel bad for that actress because now that's
Speaker 2: like part of her permanent record, Like she will forever
Speaker 2: be known as the person who did brown face and
Speaker 2: alien and it sucks because that rule. I'm sure it
Speaker 2: was like a big deal for her. But now with
Speaker 2: our quote unquote PC culture, she's she's not like I
Speaker 2: don't no, I don't know when, I don't know. It
Speaker 2: just felt weird, felt weird. I didn't like it the character.
Speaker 2: It made me really like disappointed in the character, and
Speaker 2: I couldn't relate to her in so many ways. Do
Speaker 2: you want to talk about trivia? I just kind of
Speaker 2: started doing deep down. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: We were talking about how it doesn't hold up. So yeah, relevant, Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's do trivia trivia time?
Speaker 1: What facts could we uncover for Aliens?
Speaker 3: Discussions of a sequel to Alien began immediately, but twentieth
Speaker 3: Century Fox was not initially interested, leaving the first film
Speaker 3: success to be a fluke and the overall box office
Speaker 3: decline of horror films. James Cameron was asked to write
Speaker 3: a script treatment in nineteen eighty three after his script
Speaker 3: for The Terminator was viewed by executives and they originally
Speaker 3: declined to let him direct the movie until the Terminator
Speaker 3: release and was a surprise hit, changing their minds.
Speaker 2: The studios just keep getting surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, oh no.
Speaker 2: It's a fluke.
Speaker 3: Oh no, They're always like this will never work, and
Speaker 3: then it does work, Like, well that was a one
Speaker 3: time thing. Yeah, Sigourney Weaver initially refused offers to return
Speaker 3: as she was concerned that the movie was being made
Speaker 3: exclusively for financial reasons.
Speaker 2: What I wonder what changed her? Yeah, I wonder what
Speaker 2: changed her mind. Maybe she read the script or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Probably. Carrie Hn, who played Newt, did not continue
Speaker 3: acting after this film, but has remained friends with Sigourney
Speaker 3: Weaver That Little Girl yep So. Tensions were very high
Speaker 3: during production. Cameron, a Canadian, had little familiarity with the
Speaker 3: British film industry to traditions such as tea breaks which
Speaker 3: interrupted production daily. This was shot in London, Oh and
Speaker 3: the overall relaxed attitude of the crew compared to American
Speaker 3: crews frustrated him.
Speaker 2: He's Canadian. Why is he so americanized?
Speaker 3: He's he's been working in the American film industry. Canadian
Speaker 3: film industry is pretty small. The crew were also dismissive,
Speaker 3: dismissive of him for his relative inexperience as a director,
Speaker 3: and didn't like his hands on approach to this when
Speaker 3: they had a unionized crew, and the situation deteriorated throughout
Speaker 3: production until the crew walked out in the middle of
Speaker 3: the day. Good for them, negotiations brought most of the
Speaker 3: crew back, with a crew agreeing to support Cameron him
Speaker 3: agreeing to support their scheduled working hours.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't be What a bitch? What an eighties bitch
Speaker 2: to be like, you all can't have a tea break?
Speaker 2: I would love you know what, Almost every country has
Speaker 2: some sort of additional break, Like in Mexico, there's this
Speaker 2: thing called Siesta, and I think it happens in Spain too,
Speaker 2: where between the hours of two and four the country
Speaker 2: shuts down and people go home and take a little
Speaker 2: nap and then they come back to work and they
Speaker 2: stay open a little longer. Could you imagine a two
Speaker 2: hour break in your day for a little nap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I just have to zone out for a
Speaker 3: couple hours a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a tea break, I would I'm into that.
Speaker 2: I would love a spot of tea. Sorry y'all, that
Speaker 2: was my British accent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's just like, all right, guys, we've got limited
Speaker 3: time here, so we're going to focus and buckle down.
Speaker 3: And what do you guys doing drinking tea right now?
Speaker 2: What is that a biscuit? I wonder if he's came
Speaker 2: back to London and was like learned his lesson or
Speaker 2: Britain or wherever.
Speaker 3: Despite the delays, the film was finished on time and
Speaker 3: on budget. The film once again makes extensive use of
Speaker 3: miniatures for filming. Despite the hordes of aliens in the film,
Speaker 3: only twelve suits were made.
Speaker 2: That's still way more than the last one. I think
Speaker 2: they only had two. Yeah, and the suits were way
Speaker 2: better in this one.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of times when they're implying like
Speaker 3: lots of aliens, it's like they're on the other side
Speaker 3: of the door and they're just looking at the numbers
Speaker 3: on the screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or there's like that screen with all the little
Speaker 2: lights on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Improvisation was allowed on a lot of scenes and
Speaker 3: brought us some of the iconic lines such as game over, Man,
Speaker 3: game over?
Speaker 2: What's another scene line?
Speaker 3: I think a lot of Bill Paxston was what else
Speaker 3: is he?
Speaker 2: And his name sounds so f familiar.
Speaker 3: He's in the original Twister?
Speaker 2: Oh is he one of the main guys in Twister?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Dang, that movie just came out again, huh so.
Speaker 3: An extended cut of the film was released on laser
Speaker 3: disc in nineteen ninety one, and then later on other formats.
Speaker 2: Laser disc.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The theatrical cut is one hundred and thirty seven minutes.
Speaker 3: The extended cut is one hundred and fifty seven minutes long,
Speaker 3: so twenty minutes longer. James Cameron has stated that the
Speaker 3: extended cut is his preferred version, so some of the
Speaker 3: differences between the versions. Obviously, the extended cut has some
Speaker 3: extra scenes in it. So there's a scene revealing that
Speaker 3: Ripley's daughter has passed away at age sixty six.
Speaker 2: With a horribly pixelated picture of an old woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that old woman was actually Sigourney Weaver's mother.
Speaker 3: The court hearing scene is extended with Ripley snapping and
Speaker 3: throwing the papers, and then there's a scene with Newt's
Speaker 3: family prospecting the moon before being attacked, so her family
Speaker 3: is not in the theatrical cut. There's a series of
Speaker 3: long tracking shots establishing the interior of the empty sou Lake.
Speaker 3: Zu Letco ship their ship that they go out there on,
Speaker 3: similar to the opening of the first film, and then
Speaker 3: see there's several separate sequences involving the survivor's use of
Speaker 3: automated robot sentry guns to defend the colony from the xenomorphs.
Speaker 2: I hate that name. I like that they call them bugs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were really like emphasizing that over like I
Speaker 3: don't know, they're more like reptilian sometimes, but they I.
Speaker 2: Mean the hive queen thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they really dove into that analogy. There's a scene
Speaker 3: where Ripley and Hicks reveal their first names to each
Speaker 3: other and it kind of hints at a more romantic interest.
Speaker 3: Then several other scenes are extended or use alternate takes
Speaker 3: or alternate dialogue. The budget was eighteen point five million,
Speaker 3: and the box office revenue was somewhere between one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty one and one hundred and eighty three million.
Speaker 3: Holy crap, another big fluke.
Speaker 2: That was random. They didn't think that would happen.
Speaker 3: Critical response to the film at the time was generally positive,
Speaker 3: and over time the critical assessment of the film has
Speaker 3: grown to be seen as one of the greatest science
Speaker 3: fiction films of all time and one of the greatest
Speaker 3: sequels of all time.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, wow, you can tell that. I'm very surprised by.
Speaker 3: That, So I think you're in the minority of not
Speaker 3: being that into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Aliens has had an enduring influence on filmmaking, being cited
Speaker 3: by filmmakers and elements of it being repeated in other films.
Speaker 3: The film also elevated Ellen Ripley to be seen as
Speaker 3: a postfeminist icon and among the greatest action heroes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's definitely more more of an active hero in this.
Speaker 2: She has agency, which a lot of when you think
Speaker 2: of like science fiction and horror, the female protagonist is
Speaker 2: usually not in charge of their destiny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she kind of. She comes back in this one,
Speaker 3: and she's like more on the offensive and she's a
Speaker 3: tougher and more like Resilien. Yeaheah. She's kind of like
Speaker 3: Sarah Connor and The Terminator where she comes back in
Speaker 3: the second movie as a badass.
Speaker 2: So this is James Cameron's calling card pretty much.
Speaker 3: The film received Academy Awards for Best Sound Effects and
Speaker 3: Best Visual Effects, and Sigourney Weaver got a nomination for
Speaker 3: Best Actress, which was the first given for a science
Speaker 3: fiction film at a time when the genre was given
Speaker 3: little respect. The film also won several other accolades, including
Speaker 3: eight Saturn Awards and a Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation,
Speaker 3: and the success led to immediate discussions of a sequel,
Speaker 3: which resulted in nineteen ninety two's Alien three.
Speaker 2: So one for each a decade.
Speaker 1: Huh yep, Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of
Speaker 1: our thoughts on the film. You can share your thoughts
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Speaker 3: All this time around, Sigourney Weaver got top billing, yes, queen, And.
Speaker 2: I hope she got her coins too.
Speaker 3: I'm sure she did.
Speaker 2: I hope she did. You never know with American filmmaking industry.
Speaker 2: Oh but they shot and London, so maybe it's a
Speaker 2: little bit different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think she had become a much bigger
Speaker 3: star by this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for her.
Speaker 3: So we pick up with her being rescued from her ship.
Speaker 2: Right Saint Poe's hand by the heart, Kitty on the lap,
Speaker 2: very angelic. Apparently she's been in outer space for fifty
Speaker 2: two years, fifty seven fifty seven years.
Speaker 3: And I guess when you're in that cryo sleep.
Speaker 2: You don't ate iogenically frozen, your hair doesn't grow nothing,
Speaker 2: You're not even her nails. Yeah, she didn't have like
Speaker 2: I mean, it's only been what like five years since
Speaker 2: the last movie.
Speaker 3: It's been seven.
Speaker 2: Seven, so she aged pretty well. She's not as young
Speaker 2: as she used to be, but she looks good and
Speaker 2: I think she still got it. And God, wouldn't it
Speaker 2: be awful if the first person you met when like
Speaker 2: you woke up was like a company representative. Right, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's awful. Where's your family? I guess she didn't have
Speaker 2: any living relatives.
Speaker 3: I guess not when we only mentioned her daughter, which
Speaker 3: is an extended cut thing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's awful. I hate this company. I hate
Speaker 2: this company so much. It's like this idea of profits
Speaker 2: over people is still a through line from the last movie.
Speaker 2: And I feel like the guy who plays the company guy,
Speaker 2: I don't know his name, Burke? Is it Burke? Yeah, Burke?
Speaker 2: He sucks. He's the perfect guy. He looks like an
Speaker 2: eighties sleeve bag. Yeah, Like, I wouldn't trust that man
Speaker 2: with anything. And if he said, oh, like, don't worry
Speaker 2: about it. We're definitely going to kill these aliens that
Speaker 2: are worth millions of dollars to my company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, corporate greed is definitely like a theme in
Speaker 3: these two movies. Yeah, I kind of like that.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting though, because like in the eighties, corporate
Speaker 2: greed is almost romanticized and like it's like something that
Speaker 2: a lot of people aspire to think about that movie
Speaker 2: Wall Street where they say greed is good, or even
Speaker 2: like the movie American Psycho with Christian Bale, where you know,
Speaker 2: it's these affluent white men kind of climbing the corporate
Speaker 2: ladder and doing their best job to make money for
Speaker 2: corporations and be active participants in capitalism. So I feel
Speaker 2: like this movie is going against that grain in the eighties,
Speaker 2: which is very interesting, very interesting. But the Marines are
Speaker 2: all for highre Yeah, so it's kind of, I don't know,
Speaker 2: very mixed signals. I hate the Marines, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 2: not like as an organ well as an organization or
Speaker 2: like an entity. I think there's like a lot of
Speaker 2: respect and being a Marine, and there's like obviously a
Speaker 2: lot of prestige, but y'all, if this is how you
Speaker 2: act for real and like a job, that's horrible. That's horrifying.
Speaker 2: Especially when they did that thing where they were eating
Speaker 2: lunch and they got the Android to do that knife thing.
Speaker 2: That's that's a that's a salt, that's a salt. That
Speaker 2: was really.
Speaker 3: Scary and if anyone should be like following company like
Speaker 3: HR Policies should be the android, right, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of part of like another theme
Speaker 3: of this is just like there's this like arrogance and
Speaker 3: this like I don't kind of like masculine arrogance of
Speaker 3: like word tough enough that like it doesn't matter we
Speaker 3: got They don't want to listen to Ripley or.
Speaker 2: That new boss of theirs that's never done anything in
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like nobody's listening to rip Here at
Speaker 3: the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 2: They don't take her seriously.
Speaker 3: They don't believe her story. They want to like try
Speaker 3: to hold her accountable for this expensive ship.
Speaker 2: Well, they don't hold her accountable because they know they
Speaker 2: were wrong, but they're like, girl, you don't have any proof.
Speaker 2: Remember you weren't scientists and you weren't taking pictures or
Speaker 2: documenting anything. And what happens in the second movie Homeboy
Speaker 2: from the company, Burke calls up the planet and he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: check out these coordinates, and some random ass person goes
Speaker 2: in and they don't have any equipment, they don't have
Speaker 2: any guns. They obviously encounter the aliens and bring them
Speaker 2: back to base, so they no lessons have been learned. Yea,
Speaker 2: And they compromised a whole colony because they're like, go
Speaker 2: check it out instead of saying like we're gonna go
Speaker 2: check it out, We're going to send our top guys.
Speaker 2: And if they really wanted to extract I would I
Speaker 2: would imagine they would want to do it safely, but
Speaker 2: they don't. It's just very like, how do you say it?
Speaker 2: Like shooting from the hip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not clear how much of Burke's plan was
Speaker 3: as intended, Like how much was he just like adapting
Speaker 3: on the fly or was he expecting them to for
Speaker 3: the aliens to take over the colony and then they
Speaker 3: go there and like, I don't know how much of
Speaker 3: this he was making up as he went.
Speaker 2: Right, he probably didn't realize how much of a threat
Speaker 2: they really were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's such a coward.
Speaker 3: Was he always intending to like smuggle them back inside
Speaker 3: of like Ripley?
Speaker 2: No, apparently not. He was happy with them in the
Speaker 2: jar and just sneaking them across the border and she's like,
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna let you. I wouldn't have said shit, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have said shit. I would have been like
Speaker 2: you do you but okay, yeah, let's just keep it
Speaker 2: accounted for. And then she became a target.
Speaker 3: She's like, she showed her hand there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, she looked really tough, being like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna call you out. I'm gonna let the FCC know
Speaker 2: that you're bringing in aliens, illegal aliens. And then there
Speaker 2: was a quip about illegal aliens with Sanchez or Rasquez
Speaker 2: or whatever they decided to call the non Hispanic person.
Speaker 2: But it's very interesting that he's ready to smuggle goods
Speaker 2: into another country for profit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he does see some sort of need to
Speaker 3: bring Ripley on this mission and even has like he
Speaker 3: kind of manipulates her situation where she's working a loading
Speaker 3: job because she doesn't have her flight license anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, she's just like a stock boy.
Speaker 3: She's still traumatized by her experience having nightmares, and.
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, she's ultimately manipulated into a green to
Speaker 2: go back to the sore so her trauma, but she's activated,
Speaker 2: she's like not passive in that. So it's very interesting
Speaker 2: to see her willingness to go back since she has
Speaker 2: nothing left. You know in another world and her plan,
Speaker 2: it seems like, is eventually to destroy these aliens. So
Speaker 2: it's crazy though, Like there, I think the alien design
Speaker 2: in this was really good. I think they did a
Speaker 2: really good job with But I think they might have
Speaker 2: used the same shot sometimes for the closeups on the alien.
Speaker 2: Did you notice did you notice that it was kind
Speaker 2: of very similar every time there was a close up
Speaker 2: and the little mouth came out and they were like
Speaker 2: showing their teeth, they were very similar. Maybe there might
Speaker 2: have been some differences, but I didn't see them. So
Speaker 2: it felt like every once in a while they used
Speaker 2: the same shot of the close up of the of
Speaker 2: the monster.
Speaker 3: Or maybe they shot them all you know, like exact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, different slightly different angles. Yeah, but the aliens I
Speaker 2: don't know why, but they weren't as scary as the
Speaker 2: first one. Maybe the fear of the unknown drove the
Speaker 2: first one to such a high point that this one
Speaker 2: it was more like theatrical. There were some jump scares,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like this build up of anticipation.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the first one, like because they know nothing
Speaker 3: about it and they don't really reveal like the full
Speaker 3: alien till much later in the movie, whereas you know
Speaker 3: this one, it takes some time for them to get there.
Speaker 3: But after like one fake out when they find newt
Speaker 3: like they pretty much find the aliens after that. So
Speaker 3: on like a technical level, I think a lot of
Speaker 3: things looked better in this movie. On like an esthetic level,
Speaker 3: I think the first movie still nailed it. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: like even like the space shots, like it's been a
Speaker 3: few years and I think, like we'd really figure out
Speaker 3: how to we figured out how to shoot these models
Speaker 3: they make these ships, Like you can see that from
Speaker 3: like the first Star Wars movie to the second one.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, they nailed it. Now they know how
Speaker 3: to do this. So yeah, definitely a yeah.
Speaker 2: The tech the there was there was definitely more like
Speaker 2: computer graphics too, Like I'm thinking of that weird scanner
Speaker 2: that they used to scan some of the interiors and
Speaker 2: then some of the electricity surges looked kind of hokey still,
Speaker 2: but they used graphic like camera editing or CGI. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they used CGI, and I don't think they used any
Speaker 2: CGI in the first one. And then you could tell
Speaker 2: sometimes when they were in front of a blue screen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there was like some I mean, there's
Speaker 3: definitely a lot of trickery going on with like perspectives
Speaker 3: for the models and stuff. Sometimes it's clear that there
Speaker 3: is probably a rear projection going on that you can tell.
Speaker 3: With just like the it was really.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I don't know. And then I
Speaker 2: also just felt like there was like forced like human
Speaker 2: elements with the little girl and that Hicks guy that
Speaker 2: felt really forced, like oh, well, you know, she's a woman,
Speaker 2: so she's got to have maternal instincts, you know, like, okay, great,
Speaker 2: do we expect like a man to do the same
Speaker 2: thing or are we okay if a man's like, oh whatever, kid.
Speaker 2: It's just very interesting and I you know, maybe I'm
Speaker 2: just really pushing against the movie because it's so masculine
Speaker 2: and it's just like the one feminine trait that Ripley
Speaker 2: shows is this maternal instinct. And I'm like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: she could have been a strong woman without the kid.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's interesting. I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: I did like the kid. I felt like the kid
Speaker 2: was strong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the kid and I like the but
Speaker 3: there was just another element of something for Ripley to
Speaker 3: do other than be facing off these alienses protecting the child.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's definitely hitting the motherhood theme very hard.
Speaker 3: I think even with the as they developed, like the
Speaker 3: life cycle, these aliens out a little bit more. And
Speaker 3: how there's the queen mother and then the other ones
Speaker 3: are like the workers. Yeah. Yeah, And like we said
Speaker 3: in the extended cut, they revealed that Ripley has lost
Speaker 3: her daughter and now she's filmed a replacements, like getting
Speaker 3: very attached to her. Yeah, calling her mom at the
Speaker 3: end was weird.
Speaker 2: Forced is what I would say, forced, Mommy, shut up.
Speaker 2: You don't know me. You don't even know my first name.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, I get that they're close and they're very
Speaker 3: bonded now, but that like nothing in their discussions had
Speaker 3: to do with like family or like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: like nothing seemed earned about that moment.
Speaker 2: I was my mom married my stepdad when I was
Speaker 2: like thirteen years old. And maybe it's because I was thirteen,
Speaker 2: but I never called that man dad or daddy. He
Speaker 2: is my dad, but I don't call him dad. And
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe if she would have been a
Speaker 2: littler kid, like a littler kid, maybe I would have
Speaker 2: bought it. But this little girl is what like seven
Speaker 2: eight and she's obviously a survivor. She's tough. I really
Speaker 2: like that she was like ready to scram She's like,
Speaker 2: we gotta go, we gotta leave. I cannot sleep on
Speaker 2: this bed. I am exposed. And I just I kind
Speaker 2: of made it cheap, like their bond at the end there, mommy, fuck,
Speaker 2: get away from me. And I bet she smelled the
Speaker 2: whole time, and she like had her head next to
Speaker 2: her face, and I was just like, little kids stink.
Speaker 2: If they don't bathe, they stink. And she was living
Speaker 2: basically in a trash compactor. I think it's a really
Speaker 2: interesting that the actress never worked again too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I looked at that a little bit. She said
Speaker 3: like the fame was difficult for her as a child.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine not understanding whether people liked her or
Speaker 3: liked her character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you see how many child actors struggle
Speaker 2: with fame and access and like there's drug use and
Speaker 2: I mean abuse, and so I'm kind of glad she
Speaker 2: kind of got away from all of that.
Speaker 3: She's a teacher now and she still has her photo
Speaker 3: of her and Scoorny Weaver what else. So we have
Speaker 3: another android that we're very skeptical at first, had a
Speaker 3: bad experience with the last one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that last one was weird. That guy was we erd,
Speaker 2: And this one was sus too, because like when he
Speaker 2: was like dissecting the hand the face, sucker, he was
Speaker 2: like so interesting.
Speaker 3: He was really like one. Yeah, so I think that
Speaker 3: was a good like misdirect with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was cool in the end. And then he
Speaker 2: got fucking sliced in No, he got ripped in half.
Speaker 2: That was so epic, and his white blood was all
Speaker 2: over so gourdiny weaver. I would have been like, I
Speaker 2: need extra pay for that. I don't know what what
Speaker 2: is that white liquid? Do you think it's like milk
Speaker 2: or like colored water or something.
Speaker 3: Like like in real life?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in real life.
Speaker 3: I assume it's some sort of water mixture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something, But it was I would have been so
Speaker 2: upset to be that wet that day. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: they fuck uh So it's kind of a shit show.
Speaker 2: The head marine guy doesn't know what he's doing, and
Speaker 2: the other marine guys have bad AMMO and they can't
Speaker 2: even shoot at things yep. And then they're trying to
Speaker 2: find all these colonists and apparently all these colonists have
Speaker 2: a chip inserted in them. This is going to be
Speaker 2: our future, and that chip has a tracking device and
Speaker 2: they're trying to figure it out. And then they find
Speaker 2: that they're all in this one area and they're like, well,
Speaker 2: let's go, let's go check it out.
Speaker 3: Having a party without us, let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and before they go, they don't do any research.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't do anything, and so that's what
Speaker 2: gives them in the conundrum of having the wrong gammo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is where you start to realize that, like,
Speaker 3: if people will just listen to Ripley, everything would go
Speaker 3: a lot better. Yeah, just like the first movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the sound of reason. And so they find
Speaker 2: one of the colony, Well, they find the colonists encased
Speaker 2: in this goo and then they see the husks of
Speaker 2: the face suckers, and somehow they're not putting it together,
Speaker 2: even though they should have watched the report that Ripley
Speaker 2: did to explain to them what the life cycle of
Speaker 2: one of these things is. Yeah, so nobody did their homework.
Speaker 3: They had report on a disc They told us that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and they had a lot of time. They
Speaker 2: were all in the little sleepy chamber. They could have
Speaker 2: taken a day off, gotten out of the sleepy chamber
Speaker 2: and watched the fifteen minute video. So they're just like
Speaker 2: kicking around the husks and just chilling.
Speaker 3: They didn't even let her finish explaining it in.
Speaker 2: Her in her initials. Yeah, yeah, So when they were
Speaker 2: meeting her, they were really undermining her. And then as
Speaker 2: they were loading up, she's like, how can I help?
Speaker 2: I feel like like like a bump on a log,
Speaker 2: like what am I doing? And they're like, well, what
Speaker 2: can you do? And I thought that was the perfect question.
Speaker 2: They're like, She's like, I want to volunteer. Okay, what
Speaker 2: can you do for us? And I love this? She's ready.
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, I can drive one of those big things,
Speaker 2: those fucking avatar robots. Yeah, and she like gets in it,
Speaker 2: fucking messes around with the knobs and she's like where
Speaker 2: do you want it? And that must have been an
Speaker 2: iconic line because even the guys reacted to it, like
Speaker 2: the characters. They were like laughing, They're like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: she's for real. I think this establishes her as not
Speaker 2: just a pretty face or like a nerd or you know,
Speaker 2: like because she's a consultant or whatever, and they there's like,
Speaker 2: she's not one of them, so this helps her kind
Speaker 2: of them, They're they're warming up to her not a lot,
Speaker 2: And I feel like it could have been done better
Speaker 2: to like introduce her to the crew or something, or
Speaker 2: show the barriers that she was facing more to feel integrated,
Speaker 2: like more of her getting shut down stuff, maybe especially
Speaker 2: by that that uh, the military guy, the sergeant or whatever.
Speaker 2: If he would have like snapped at her a little
Speaker 2: bit more like even like if he would have been like,
Speaker 2: you need to shut up or something. He tried to
Speaker 2: do it when they were but she like said, fuck you,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna rescue these guys, and she got on and
Speaker 2: started driving the cyber trucky truck. Yeah, that's but I
Speaker 2: feel like they could have pushed him to be more demeaning,
Speaker 2: you know, like really push. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: they wanted to make him the bad guy, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just seem to one who make him.
Speaker 2: Useless competent, Yeah, useless, So I guess that that's all right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she drives the cyber truck and they figure
Speaker 2: out that these aliens are no joke.
Speaker 3: I do like how they they set up the loader thing,
Speaker 3: the forkliff machine that she drives.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like how they were able to establish that so
Speaker 3: we could get that final act of the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before she comes back with that. Yeah she had guns. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it did have a little flamethrower. Was that to
Speaker 2: light cigars or something?
Speaker 3: Because it's not like a military thing, it's it's a
Speaker 3: load thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, a knife though to open boxes or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, that was a good setup.
Speaker 2: They introduced a new machine and they introduced that she
Speaker 2: could manage to drive it or whatever. But it was
Speaker 2: also giving Transformers And I'm like, James Cameron, I see
Speaker 2: your future. That's not him whatever, it's the same guy
Speaker 2: to me. It's all the same guy who is the Transformers.
Speaker 3: Guy, Michael bay Ah. But he does have those things
Speaker 3: in Avatar.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh is that James Cameron?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well still that is in his future. He
Speaker 2: really likes those robot things. Do you think do we
Speaker 2: have things like that now and in a practical use
Speaker 2: in real life? I feel like most of those types
Speaker 2: of things are automated the most, Like, I mean, we
Speaker 2: have forklifts. I don't think if it's ever going to
Speaker 2: advance from forklift. I feel like in the loading and
Speaker 2: unloading field, they've already made the perfect machine with the forklift,
Speaker 2: and it feels like a forklift is probably a little
Speaker 2: safer in terms of like putting your body like so
Speaker 2: close to the load.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm just trying to think of, like what's what's
Speaker 3: the practical use of having it have legs that you
Speaker 3: walk with as.
Speaker 2: Most of wheels, unless it's like, let's think of it
Speaker 2: in an exterior not plane surif. Yeah, that would be
Speaker 2: the only application that I could see. And those little
Speaker 2: leggies didn't look like they would be good for gripping
Speaker 2: the floor. They need to be like built like like
Speaker 2: a hiking boot, you know, with tread and stuff, and
Speaker 2: that thing looks slick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just seems really dangerous because like a small
Speaker 3: move of your arm waves this big metal thing, right.
Speaker 2: And there were people walking in the front.
Speaker 3: I know when they first showed it, the guys like
Speaker 3: backing up and then like people aren't giving him.
Speaker 2: Enough room, no, And then the one guy passed in
Speaker 2: front of the forks. I was like, you never do
Speaker 2: that usually. Like there's like a beeping sound, there's like noises, lights,
Speaker 2: something to alert you to get out of the way,
Speaker 2: because that's a liability issue for the company that's given
Speaker 2: you permission to operate this machine. So for as like
Speaker 2: money conscious as this company claims to be, apparently in
Speaker 2: the future there is no workmen's camp, And I feel
Speaker 2: like Sigourney Weaver would have been due some workmen's camp
Speaker 2: or at least a retirement or some sort of severance
Speaker 2: for her fifty two years of working, right or fifty seven?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's what I would have been, like, Hey,
Speaker 2: so I've been with this company for fifty seven years.
Speaker 2: If anything, I have seniority over all of y'all.
Speaker 3: Also, how's my four h one k doing?
Speaker 2: Right, it's gotta be great. But her kid probably got
Speaker 2: it when they didn't find her after a couple of years, right,
Speaker 2: probably damn uh oh. Yeah. So Sigourney Weaver like rolls
Speaker 2: up in the cyber truck and scoops them up, and
Speaker 2: they lose a couple of them in the fight, and
Speaker 2: one of them gets acid blown on their face and
Speaker 2: they like he's a goner, let him go. And Vazquez
Speaker 2: is like, now, now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these marines got their asses kicked and really like
Speaker 3: knocked down there.
Speaker 2: They got a reality check.
Speaker 3: They're military, like masculine arrogance that they have had the
Speaker 3: first part of the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of that cockiness and wit is gone. They're
Speaker 2: running their treating with their tails between their legs.
Speaker 3: And even though Michael Bain's character Hicks is in charge now,
Speaker 3: like I feel like Ripley's pretty much calling the shots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just repeats what she says. It's a puppet.
Speaker 2: It's it's definitely got a lot of explosions and gunfighting
Speaker 2: and the aliens explode, and it's like very action forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like a war movie than it is this
Speaker 3: Haunted House movie. The first one was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just like sometimes I'm having a hard time
Speaker 2: keeping up with all of the action. It's just like
Speaker 2: I get like a whiplash. It's like it's like, oh
Speaker 2: now we're over here. Oh now we got to do this.
Speaker 2: Now we got to do that. Now we're welding the
Speaker 2: door shut. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And honestly, like once some of those marines died, it
Speaker 3: was kind of a relief because I'm like, Okay, now
Speaker 3: there's few enough of them that I can kind of
Speaker 3: keep track of who's the character here. We've Vesquez and Henderson.
Speaker 2: He was a cry baby bitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Is that his name, Hudson, Hudson, Hudson, Yeah, him
Speaker 3: being just like, what do we do now, man, we're.
Speaker 2: All goners, We're all goners. How did he pass like
Speaker 2: a fortitude test to be in the Marines?
Speaker 3: I don't know because I keep boasting about how like
Speaker 3: they're like the best of the best, and like these
Speaker 3: guys can handle anything, and like he can't handle much
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: Right, one ounce of pressure and he's over it. He's
Speaker 2: like on the floor on his back with his feet up, surrendered.
Speaker 3: So then, yeah, Burke is evil.
Speaker 2: Burke is evil, and he gets his just desserts. But
Speaker 2: he really tries to pretend he's the good guy for
Speaker 2: the longest time. Yeah, and then uh, he is revealed
Speaker 2: to be a company man at heart.
Speaker 3: Yep. There is monetary value.
Speaker 2: Here, right, and that is you know, human capital is
Speaker 2: less than capital capital. So he was trying to sneak.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he was willing to sacrifice Ripley and
Speaker 2: the girl like, what a bastard. And I'm I thought
Speaker 2: she brought the gun in with her and put it
Speaker 2: on the bed. Nope, So that was her bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so because if she had a gun, she would have
Speaker 2: killed that motherfucking thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Remember to bring your guns to bed with you
Speaker 3: guys always.
Speaker 2: But they so like there's they're like numbers are dwindling.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that might have been one of the
Speaker 3: more like tense scenes in the movie, is them like
Speaker 3: trapped in that room, right, knowing that those face suckers
Speaker 3: are in there, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think another good tense point was when they
Speaker 2: finally get through the door where Burke was and they're
Speaker 2: in between spaces and the alien is like trying to
Speaker 2: knock down the door and the little girl rescues them
Speaker 2: by like redirecting them through the air ducts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't know why she wasn't in charge sooner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she does know like the lay of the land.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like if they would have just hoarded
Speaker 2: up where she was the whole time, they would have
Speaker 2: been safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could have stayed for the seventeen days or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then the android's like, well there is another alternative.
Speaker 2: Twenty years later, he's like, oh, yeah, I can remotely
Speaker 2: navigate this ship from base. Why didn't you say that
Speaker 2: in the beginning, you bitch? Why did why was that plan?
Speaker 2: See what the hell it took their atmosphere conductor like
Speaker 2: failing for him to be like, oh, yeah, I can
Speaker 2: do this. I can crawl through this little poo you
Speaker 2: know tube and you know, redirect and navigate the ship.
Speaker 2: Why didn't you say that initially as soon as that
Speaker 2: first ship exploded.
Speaker 3: Bitch, bitch? Maybe he was evil after all, he was.
Speaker 2: Just trying to save the specimens.
Speaker 3: It's always the specimens with those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was freaky to see them too. I think
Speaker 2: they did a good job at like showing how gross
Speaker 2: they were and how they worked those face suckers with
Speaker 2: their dicks for mouths. I wouldn't scream in front of
Speaker 2: one of those. I shut my mouth with my teeth clenched.
Speaker 3: What else I mean, the whole like end of the
Speaker 3: movies just action packed. They lose they got to.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they lose her in the water, and I
Speaker 2: thought that was the end of her. I was ready
Speaker 2: to say goodbye, so long, farewell.
Speaker 3: No, Ripley says like they're going to keep her alive to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's disgusting. But she was right and I was wrong,
Speaker 2: and I'm really sorry for that. But you know. I
Speaker 2: was ready to just be like, oh, well, that's the
Speaker 2: last of that little girl. And so when she went back,
Speaker 2: I was like, why is she going back? I was
Speaker 2: so confused. It's like they're gone, They're done. Why is
Speaker 2: the movie not over? But little did I know that
Speaker 2: in the third act she had to rescue a little
Speaker 2: girl and murder the mother. And oh my god, what
Speaker 2: a mother it was. I don't know if you watch Futurama,
Speaker 2: but you know how they make that drink surge, that's
Speaker 2: what it gave. It was giving goo, big booty judy goo.
Speaker 2: And I think it looked great, like in terms of
Speaker 2: like alien reproduction, So they must reproduce asexually, right, because
Speaker 2: we didn't see anybody like impregnating her or inseminating the
Speaker 2: eggs or anything like that. So this is a society
Speaker 2: of drones and bees.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't know the males that are
Speaker 3: breeding with the queen.
Speaker 2: Oh you think so the model children, and that.
Speaker 3: Would be the case, right, probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bees or i ants or whatever. But it was
Speaker 2: I thought that the visuals are really good, disgusting but good, right,
Speaker 2: I'm very believable. But then when she starts lighting all
Speaker 2: the things on fire. That thing rips itself from its
Speaker 2: body and like chases her with her little claws, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, at first I was like, well, the queen's
Speaker 3: got that big, you know, eggsack attached to her. It's
Speaker 3: not gonna be a threat. You can't move around.
Speaker 2: But then she's like, oh, actually, I just zip this
Speaker 2: off and my pants become short. So she's like she
Speaker 2: is giving Kunti with their little movements. She's like I
Speaker 2: could see her in like little heel stilettos running around
Speaker 2: waiting for the elevator. Oh my god, this queen is iconic.
Speaker 2: And she finds herself on their evacuation and in the
Speaker 2: big ship and Ripley does it again. She's like out
Speaker 2: the airlock.
Speaker 3: Yep, the freaking Cylon.
Speaker 2: And I wish they would do more with the space
Speaker 2: aspect of it. When it's like floating out in space
Speaker 2: like a little bit of like freezing or something.
Speaker 3: I just want to see what happens.
Speaker 2: I want to see an accurate depiction of what happens
Speaker 2: when you're exposed to space. I think that would have
Speaker 2: been cool, Or if she would have exploded, that would
Speaker 2: have been cool too, but like a freeze. I think
Speaker 2: you freeze in space because it's so cold. I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not. I don't know about space. But Ripley's strong.
Speaker 2: And her shoe, she lost her shoe. Those shoes were
Speaker 2: so stylish, they were very eighties.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And then they finally get that little girl cleaned up,
Speaker 2: and she looks so different. She needed a.
Speaker 3: Bath so bad. Yeah, bath before bedtime for however many years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how long the next one. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: next one's in ten years, so we'll see how long
Speaker 2: their staces is or if that little well, the little
Speaker 2: girl won't be in the sequel because she's quite acting.
Speaker 3: True. True, I guess I get that away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, spoilers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see anything else you need to cover
Speaker 3: talked about We talked about it all fatherhood and masculinity
Speaker 3: and war and trauma and corporate greed.
Speaker 2: And then the representation of queerness and brown face.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: It would have been so iconic if they would have
Speaker 2: just made a queer character who wasn't putting on Browie's.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, it's not my movie. I didn't write.
Speaker 3: It wasn't mine either. I wasn't alive, but.
Speaker 2: Apparently it's a critically acclaimed film with lots of tropes
Speaker 2: that have been present in many other films. So and
Speaker 2: it's one of the most successful sequels, which kay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at Rotten Tomatoes, Alien ninety three
Speaker 3: Aliens ninety four percent.
Speaker 2: Wow, I feel like this movie was made for men though,
Speaker 2: even though it's got a strong female character, I just I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, it has that vibe. It feels like a
Speaker 3: Rambo Terminator Diehard type.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very masculine, very male, and not that women
Speaker 2: can't be attracted to that, but it just doesn't speak
Speaker 2: to the female experience in a way that feels authentic.
Speaker 2: And I mean a man wrote it, so it.
Speaker 3: Won't be You want to go to the next section.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: The astral Queen.
Speaker 1: Astral queen who was the standout character in the movie?
Speaker 2: Stand out character, I'm gonna give it to.
Speaker 3: Newt Oh really.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She was like, I don't feel safe around these people.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't feel safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, don't you think you'll be safer with us?
Speaker 3: And she's like, no, no, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't have a gun. I didn't have any of the
Speaker 2: equip you have, and I survived for longer than seventeen
Speaker 2: days here by myself.
Speaker 3: I've got snacks in my room. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got snacks, jewelry and pictures. What do I need?
Speaker 2: What do I need? And she did it all without
Speaker 2: a comb? So who do you give it to?
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to go with Ripley again.
Speaker 2: It's the main character energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, she's the one that came in with
Speaker 3: the knowledge and no one listened to her, and then
Speaker 3: she had to save the day multiple times and yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's all.
Speaker 2: In a day's work for a woman. Jason, It's typical Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Nobody listens to you until they're fucking in trouble and
Speaker 2: then they're like, oh, well, you get me out of
Speaker 2: this bind because they don't listen. They don't listen, but
Speaker 2: they'll hear that. They're definitely gonna hear I told you.
Speaker 3: So they will listen to the good ideas and then
Speaker 3: repeat them louder and.
Speaker 2: Take credit for this. Just like, uh, when she's like
Speaker 2: we should get out of here and nuke the planet
Speaker 2: and the guy did that, Hicks repeated, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 3: All right, well, that wraps up the main part of
Speaker 3: our episode. We will go to the spoiler section. The
Speaker 3: next episode coming out will be on Alien three.
Speaker 2: Or Alien cubed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, alien cubed. Not sure why stylized like that, but
Speaker 3: I think we're again gonna watch the extended version, which
Speaker 3: is called the Assembly Cut.
Speaker 2: Who directed this one, same guy? No, thank god, no
Speaker 2: offense to James Cameron, but I don't think i'm his
Speaker 2: target audience. Who was the first one? Ridley Scott? Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: I like Ridley Scott. I can respect his approach.
Speaker 3: Oh, David Fincher did Alien three, he has he did
Speaker 3: not enjoy his experience on that. We'll talk about a
Speaker 3: next episode.
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like Cameron enjoyed this one either, with the
Speaker 2: tensions with him and the crew.
Speaker 3: Ridley Scott does come back to do Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for they do different directors every movie for
Speaker 3: the most part. So yeah, Alien three Assembly Cut. If
Speaker 3: you can find that version, it's generally considered to be
Speaker 3: a lot better than Alien three theatrical. Oh so we're
Speaker 3: going to go into the spoiler section, and I think
Speaker 3: I'm definitely going to spoil something from Alien three. So
Speaker 3: if you don't want that, then now is your time
Speaker 3: to skidatle get out the airlock. Let's put our living
Speaker 3: stereo stylus in this group.
Speaker 1: Brace for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the
Speaker 1: whole film series, now is the time to say goodbye.
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Speaker 1: two one.
Speaker 2: So what's the spoiler?
Speaker 3: Well, in Alien three there's.
Speaker 2: Another alien, like a different type.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. Actually, what I wanted to spoil was
Speaker 3: so it picks up right after this movie. They I
Speaker 3: think they crash land on a planet and it's like
Speaker 3: a prison planet. And Newton, the other guy, die right
Speaker 3: at the beginning in the crash. Great, so this whole
Speaker 3: movie where it's about like saving Newt, the whole end
Speaker 3: of the movie is about the rescue of her, only
Speaker 3: to be undercut by the next movie.
Speaker 2: She dies. Yeah, and they're in a prison planet.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, don't remember many details beyond that.
Speaker 2: And so Gourney's still in it then, yes, she's locked in.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that is like the biggest issue that
Speaker 3: everyone had with the movie that new wasn't in it. Well,
Speaker 3: just that they discarded her like that and really like
Speaker 3: there's just kind of a slap in the face of
Speaker 3: this movie.
Speaker 2: But the little girl didn't want to act.
Speaker 3: They carote a story that didn't pick up right where
Speaker 3: this ended.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that would have been nicer. So Gourney could
Speaker 2: have been.
Speaker 3: Her job back on the loading dock. Yeah, or she
Speaker 3: probably gets fired from that job because they don't believe her. Again, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Would have been cool. But yeah, no, okay, so bad
Speaker 2: writing already off the bat, Alien thirty. Why didn't they
Speaker 2: just hire James krameron to do the screenplay again?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Probably because he was doing Terminator two.
Speaker 3: Probably had a terrible time on this movie in order
Speaker 3: to go back.
Speaker 2: But he didn't have to direct it. He could have
Speaker 2: just written the screenplay, true, because he did a good job,
Speaker 2: a good enough job. All right, Okay, Well, we'll see
Speaker 2: you next week with Terminator cubed No No Alien three
Speaker 2: point zero Alien three.
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