WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:05.360 Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:12.800 covering the nineteen eighty six film Aliens. 3 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:15.599 Welcome to spacing Now. 4 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:19.120 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the 5 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:22.559 Alien franchise one movie at a time, and at the 6 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:25.719 moment of this recording, the second movie is available to 7 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:29.320 stream on Max and this podcast is being released on 8 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:31.359 two different podcast feeds, So if you found it through 9 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:34.000 the Spacing Out with Alien podcast feeds, then I invite 10 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:36.280 you to check out our main channel, Spacing Out with 11 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:39.479 BB and Jason, where we have covered things like Battlestar Galactica, 12 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.799 Star Trek and Our Flag Means Death over one hundred episodes, 13 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:45.119 plus many more things to come. So we are only 14 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.399 focusing on Aliens, the second film today, so if there's 15 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:51.200 any discussion of other entries into the franchise, we will 16 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:53.039 save that for a spoiler section at the end of 17 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:55.520 the podcast, So if you haven't seen the other movies yet, 18 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:58.399 we will shield you from the spoilers. And although our 19 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:02.200 coverage of Alien Romula came out last week, we were 20 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.799 actually recording this prior to having seen Romulus, so we 21 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:07.040 definitely won't be speaking about that film at all, but 22 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:11.000 we are talking about Aliens, which premiered on July eighteenth, 23 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:14.920 nineteen eighty six, was written by James Cameron, story by 24 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:17.799 James Cameron, David Guyler, and Walter Hill, and directed by 25 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:18.519 James Cameron. 26 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:20.519 James Cameron did a lot in this movie. 27 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:24.840 Yes, it felt very James Cameron. Yes, it did. And 28 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:28.239 BB and I actually watched the extended cut. It was 29 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:31.400 about twenty minutes longer. So there's some extra footage in there, 30 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:33.359 and I'll kind of go through what the difference was 31 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:33.920 here in a moment. 32 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:35.920 Oh my god, that's why it was so long. 33 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:41.359 Yes, okay, But for a plot summary, fifty seven years 34 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.159 after Ellen Ripley had a close encounter with the reptilian 35 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.840 alien Creacher from the first movie, she is called back, 36 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.480 this time to help a group of highly trained Colonial 37 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.280 Marines fight off against the sinister extraterrestrials, But this time 38 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:55.519 the aliens have taken over a space colony on the 39 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:58.719 moon LV four two six. When the Colonial Marines are 40 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:01.200 called upon to search the deserted space colony, they later 41 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:02.840 find out that they are up against more than what 42 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.480 they had bargained for. Using specially modified machine guns and 43 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:08.840 enough firepower. It's either fight or die is the most 44 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:12.000 Space Marines battle against the aliens. As the Marines do 45 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.639 their best to defend themselves, Ripley must attempt to predict 46 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.639 a young girl who is a sole survivor of the 47 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:18.639 nearly wiped out space colony. 48 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:22.039 And also kind of a replet replacement for her lost 49 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:26.120 daughter that we never found out about in the previous movie. 50 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:28.280 Yeah, and I'll mention that in just the moment, but 51 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.080 that's the mention of her daughter was an extended cut thing. 52 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.120 But first, let's go through the vibe check. 53 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:41.960 Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does 54 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:43.360 it stand the test of time? 55 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.319 So I didn't care for this movie as much as 56 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:50.719 I cared for the first one. It's not my favorite 57 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:55.240 so far out of the two ife seen. The graphics 58 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:59.599 were okay, but that first movie, the it was just 59 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:03.439 a maze. I e the set and like they didn't. 60 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:08.919 It just felt this movie felt like hokey pokey compared 61 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:14.560 to the elevated craftsmanship of the first one. Somehow, like 62 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:18.759 this one felt like flashy and more eighties, and I 63 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:24.400 think it lost some of that original artisanal vibe. 64 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:28.120 Yeah, it's definitely like a more like polished movie. 65 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.199 It's definitely also more mainstream. 66 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:34.080 Yeah, and it's a different genre really, Like this is 67 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:35.159 an action movie. 68 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:39.680 Yeah, it was really Yeah, it was super action. And 69 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.719 this didn't feel like it was universal like the last one. 70 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:49.039 Like the last one really focused on the characters and 71 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:53.520 this fear of the unknown and and you know, like 72 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:56.719 having these people kind of like figuring out, like how 73 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:58.120 are we going to get out of here? What are 74 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.759 we going to do? This one it's just like a 75 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:04.639 bunch of marines who were loud and gross and just 76 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:08.159 like really, I don't think I connected with any one 77 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:12.120 of them. None of the characters were sympathetic or were 78 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:17.040 endearing or real. They were really hollow and it was 79 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:18.000 just unfortunate. 80 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:22.120 Yeah, that's fair. It's a definitely a different beast than 81 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:22.879 the first one. 82 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.639 I think, you know who had more character? The fucking 83 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.920 uh what's it called, the flamethrower? The flame thrower had 84 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:36.959 more range than some of these characters. I don't know. 85 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:39.800 It just it wasn't for me. It could be very 86 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:43.319 clearly not for me. So I'm not my cup of tea, 87 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.000 But I'm glad I experienced it, and I can say 88 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:50.839 that I've seen it, and it's definitely probably like part 89 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:55.639 of like film history for James Cameron. Like I don't 90 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:59.680 know how many other budget films he'd made before this one, 91 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:04.519 but this one definitely shows his style and his like, 92 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.920 I mean, he was on he was on display for sure. 93 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.959 Yeah. It's really his first like big major buster. He 94 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.879 had The Terminator right before this, right that was a 95 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:14.800 low budget. 96 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.319 Thing that was a big hit, so they gave him 97 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:17.120 a lot of money. 98 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:21.560 Yeah, I mean I like it. It did feel I 99 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:23.279 mean maybe it was an extended cut, but it felt 100 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.800 like a long movie today, But I like it. I 101 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.480 like it as like a pair with the first movie, 102 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.240 knowing that it's it's not the same thing as Alien. 103 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:34.879 It's a very different movie and they're like two different 104 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:39.000 sides to this. I don't know franchise story here, Yeah, 105 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.399 but I think I do prefer the way that first 106 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:47.000 movie just felt more like intimate and like the ri 107 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:51.439 And Yeah, because there's a lot of world building in 108 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.839 this They really expand to show you more of like 109 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:55.600 their society and. 110 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.040 We learn more about that company and they're interworkings and 111 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.879 the military, like everything is everything is bigger in this movie. 112 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.319 Yeah, and there is something about it just being this 113 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:08.839 isolated spaceship in the first movie that. 114 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:11.759 It really like hits a nerve. Yeah, but yeah, I 115 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.519 felt like this one wasn't relatable at all. So I mean, 116 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:17.000 do you think it stands the test of time. I 117 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.879 think it does for what it is. Even though I'm 118 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.319 not like a fan of it, I can see how 119 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.920 it can still be enjoyed by today's audience. 120 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.040 Yeah, I think it's still like a really good action movie. 121 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.120 It's got a really good like eighties style action movie. 122 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:35.680 And maybe the casting doesn't hold up in the test 123 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.279 of time since there is some brown face going on. 124 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:42.160 Yeah, dude, I was looking it up, and I've heard 125 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.199 rumblings about, you know, because I it shows up like 126 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:52.800 yellow face, and you know, people specifically, usually white people 127 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:57.759 putting on a costume to resemble a different race or 128 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.680 ethnicity and vast guess was it. 129 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:02.879 Yeah, that actor. 130 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:07.240 Was not of Hispanic descent. Like if you google them, 131 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:13.160 they're going to be a Jewish woman. So they're like, oh, 132 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:16.160 you're vaguely ethnic. We'll just put a little bronzer on 133 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.560 you and you'll be all right. And it's really sad 134 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:23.480 because I feel like if they would have hired like 135 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:28.199 a Latina or a Hispanic person and made the same character. 136 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:32.399 It would have been really powerful to see this kind 137 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:37.720 of queer representation on screen because she's very butch, she's 138 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:44.240 very masked, and she's like, you know, calling Sigurdney Weaver Bonita. 139 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:48.000 So it's just like very queer coded, and it's just 140 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:53.399 like it degrades itself by being a caricature of somebody 141 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.959 instead of actually being somebody of that race or ethnicity. 142 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:59.800 So it's just really unfortunate because there was like a 143 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:04.480 they were they were like testing stereotypes and stuff like 144 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.480 they were they were breaking some barriers, but they were 145 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.120 also using them in a way that was like problematic. 146 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.959 So I'm just like one for one way, like it's 147 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:19.639 like cool queer representation. On the other hand, it's a 148 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:23.800 person pretending to be Hispanic. So it's just like, yeah, 149 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.639 mixed feelings there. Yeah, it's super mixed. Because if if 150 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:30.480 that character, like if I didn't know anything about that 151 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:34.240 character as it as like in real life, like if 152 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:38.759 I thought they were Latino or Latina or whatever, I 153 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.039 would have been really excited. But like you can kind 154 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:45.799 of tell, it's just very like it's laid on really 155 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:50.399 thick with the accent and the the like Spanish that's 156 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.559 all thrown in there. And you could argue that, you know, 157 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.480 we're in a post race society or whatever, but it 158 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.320 was made in the eighties, so there was still definitely 159 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:04.840 race when you look at the context of the writing. 160 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.159 So I think Castine did a really poor job in 161 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:10.720 that they could have just had a Jewish woman play, 162 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:12.960 like just be a Jewish woman too. 163 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:15.639 Yeah, Like if that's who they wanted to cast I 164 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:17.559 don't think they would have to change that much in 165 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:18.120 the script. 166 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:21.639 No, she could have. She could have used Yiddish. 167 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:24.279 Do I feel like they just wanted like a woman 168 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.120 that was like tough and had that build. 169 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.000 Yeah, and she she met like the criteria for a 170 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:34.759 lot of the like characteristics of that character. But like 171 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.279 you know, it just felt inauthentic in so many ways. 172 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.080 And I feel bad for that actress because now that's 173 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.360 like part of her permanent record, Like she will forever 174 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.519 be known as the person who did brown face and 175 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:52.639 alien and it sucks because that rule. I'm sure it 176 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:55.320 was like a big deal for her. But now with 177 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.720 our quote unquote PC culture, she's she's not like I 178 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:01.759 don't no, I don't know when, I don't know. It 179 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.279 just felt weird, felt weird. I didn't like it the character. 180 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:10.519 It made me really like disappointed in the character, and 181 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:14.320 I couldn't relate to her in so many ways. Do 182 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:16.480 you want to talk about trivia? I just kind of 183 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.720 started doing deep down. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 184 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.519 We were talking about how it doesn't hold up. So yeah, relevant, Yeah, 185 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:27.000 let's do trivia trivia time? 186 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.320 What facts could we uncover for Aliens? 187 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:34.639 Discussions of a sequel to Alien began immediately, but twentieth 188 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.919 Century Fox was not initially interested, leaving the first film 189 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.759 success to be a fluke and the overall box office 190 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.480 decline of horror films. James Cameron was asked to write 191 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.919 a script treatment in nineteen eighty three after his script 192 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:49.960 for The Terminator was viewed by executives and they originally 193 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.679 declined to let him direct the movie until the Terminator 194 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.039 release and was a surprise hit, changing their minds. 195 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:57.159 The studios just keep getting surprised. 196 00:10:57.559 --> 00:10:58.519 Yeah, they're like, oh no. 197 00:10:58.519 --> 00:10:59.120 It's a fluke. 198 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.080 Oh no, They're always like this will never work, and 199 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:03.519 then it does work, Like, well that was a one 200 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.639 time thing. Yeah, Sigourney Weaver initially refused offers to return 201 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:09.679 as she was concerned that the movie was being made 202 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.600 exclusively for financial reasons. 203 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.519 What I wonder what changed her? Yeah, I wonder what 204 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.480 changed her mind. Maybe she read the script or something. 205 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:21.919 Yeah. Probably. Carrie Hn, who played Newt, did not continue 206 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:24.720 acting after this film, but has remained friends with Sigourney 207 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.159 Weaver That Little Girl yep So. Tensions were very high 208 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:32.399 during production. Cameron, a Canadian, had little familiarity with the 209 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:36.159 British film industry to traditions such as tea breaks which 210 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:39.759 interrupted production daily. This was shot in London, Oh and 211 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.759 the overall relaxed attitude of the crew compared to American 212 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:43.919 crews frustrated him. 213 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.240 He's Canadian. Why is he so americanized? 214 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:50.960 He's he's been working in the American film industry. Canadian 215 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.720 film industry is pretty small. The crew were also dismissive, 216 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:58.240 dismissive of him for his relative inexperience as a director, 217 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.679 and didn't like his hands on approach to this when 218 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.799 they had a unionized crew, and the situation deteriorated throughout 219 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.799 production until the crew walked out in the middle of 220 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.679 the day. Good for them, negotiations brought most of the 221 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:12.120 crew back, with a crew agreeing to support Cameron him 222 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.759 agreeing to support their scheduled working hours. 223 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.519 Why wouldn't be What a bitch? What an eighties bitch 224 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:20.960 to be like, you all can't have a tea break? 225 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:24.399 I would love you know what, Almost every country has 226 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.320 some sort of additional break, Like in Mexico, there's this 227 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.440 thing called Siesta, and I think it happens in Spain too, 228 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:35.799 where between the hours of two and four the country 229 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:38.559 shuts down and people go home and take a little 230 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:41.000 nap and then they come back to work and they 231 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.519 stay open a little longer. Could you imagine a two 232 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:45.480 hour break in your day for a little nap. 233 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:47.759 Yeah, now I just have to zone out for a 234 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:48.759 couple hours a day. 235 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:53.399 Yeah, but a tea break, I would I'm into that. 236 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:58.679 I would love a spot of tea. Sorry y'all, that 237 00:12:58.759 --> 00:12:59.919 was my British accent. 238 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.240 Yeah, He's just like, all right, guys, we've got limited 239 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.320 time here, so we're going to focus and buckle down. 240 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.879 And what do you guys doing drinking tea right now? 241 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:13.759 What is that a biscuit? I wonder if he's came 242 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.759 back to London and was like learned his lesson or 243 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:17.720 Britain or wherever. 244 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:20.919 Despite the delays, the film was finished on time and 245 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.879 on budget. The film once again makes extensive use of 246 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:27.559 miniatures for filming. Despite the hordes of aliens in the film, 247 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.120 only twelve suits were made. 248 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:31.440 That's still way more than the last one. I think 249 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.960 they only had two. Yeah, and the suits were way 250 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:34.960 better in this one. 251 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.399 You know a lot of times when they're implying like 252 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:39.600 lots of aliens, it's like they're on the other side 253 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.120 of the door and they're just looking at the numbers 254 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:41.679 on the screen. 255 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.639 Yeah, Or there's like that screen with all the little 256 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:45.320 lights on it. 257 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.600 Yeah. Improvisation was allowed on a lot of scenes and 258 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.639 brought us some of the iconic lines such as game over, Man, 259 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:52.279 game over? 260 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.559 What's another scene line? 261 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.960 I think a lot of Bill Paxston was what else 262 00:13:58.039 --> 00:13:58.240 is he? 263 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:00.519 And his name sounds so f familiar. 264 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:02.159 He's in the original Twister? 265 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:04.799 Oh is he one of the main guys in Twister? 266 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:05.360 Yeah? 267 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:07.639 Dang, that movie just came out again, huh so. 268 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.519 An extended cut of the film was released on laser 269 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.399 disc in nineteen ninety one, and then later on other formats. 270 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:14.440 Laser disc. 271 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.720 Yeah. The theatrical cut is one hundred and thirty seven minutes. 272 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:20.399 The extended cut is one hundred and fifty seven minutes long, 273 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.120 so twenty minutes longer. James Cameron has stated that the 274 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:25.960 extended cut is his preferred version, so some of the 275 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.720 differences between the versions. Obviously, the extended cut has some 276 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.320 extra scenes in it. So there's a scene revealing that 277 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.360 Ripley's daughter has passed away at age sixty six. 278 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.240 With a horribly pixelated picture of an old woman. 279 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:41.320 Yeah, and that old woman was actually Sigourney Weaver's mother. 280 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.759 The court hearing scene is extended with Ripley snapping and 281 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.559 throwing the papers, and then there's a scene with Newt's 282 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.360 family prospecting the moon before being attacked, so her family 283 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:55.320 is not in the theatrical cut. There's a series of 284 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.960 long tracking shots establishing the interior of the empty sou Lake. 285 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.120 Zu Letco ship their ship that they go out there on, 286 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:05.639 similar to the opening of the first film, and then 287 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.399 see there's several separate sequences involving the survivor's use of 288 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:13.559 automated robot sentry guns to defend the colony from the xenomorphs. 289 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.600 I hate that name. I like that they call them bugs. 290 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.840 Yeah, they were really like emphasizing that over like I 291 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:23.840 don't know, they're more like reptilian sometimes, but they I. 292 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:25.799 Mean the hive queen thing. 293 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:29.799 Yeah, they really dove into that analogy. There's a scene 294 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:32.240 where Ripley and Hicks reveal their first names to each 295 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:35.120 other and it kind of hints at a more romantic interest. 296 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.039 Then several other scenes are extended or use alternate takes 297 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.519 or alternate dialogue. The budget was eighteen point five million, 298 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:45.399 and the box office revenue was somewhere between one hundred 299 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:47.559 and thirty one and one hundred and eighty three million. 300 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:50.720 Holy crap, another big fluke. 301 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:53.159 That was random. They didn't think that would happen. 302 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.519 Critical response to the film at the time was generally positive, 303 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.120 and over time the critical assessment of the film has 304 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.159 grown to be seen as one of the greatest science 305 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:03.159 fiction films of all time and one of the greatest 306 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:04.120 sequels of all time. 307 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:08.879 Really yeah, wow, you can tell that. I'm very surprised by. 308 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:11.240 That, So I think you're in the minority of not 309 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:12.240 being that into it. 310 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:13.279 Yeah. 311 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:16.559 Aliens has had an enduring influence on filmmaking, being cited 312 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:19.879 by filmmakers and elements of it being repeated in other films. 313 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.559 The film also elevated Ellen Ripley to be seen as 314 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.399 a postfeminist icon and among the greatest action heroes. 315 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:27.399 Yeah, I could see that. 316 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:31.120 Yeah, she's definitely more more of an active hero in this. 317 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.559 She has agency, which a lot of when you think 318 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:41.039 of like science fiction and horror, the female protagonist is 319 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.919 usually not in charge of their destiny. 320 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.039 Yeah, she kind of. She comes back in this one, 321 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.360 and she's like more on the offensive and she's a 322 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.519 tougher and more like Resilien. Yeaheah. She's kind of like 323 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:58.360 Sarah Connor and The Terminator where she comes back in 324 00:16:58.399 --> 00:16:59.960 the second movie as a badass. 325 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.120 So this is James Cameron's calling card pretty much. 326 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.240 The film received Academy Awards for Best Sound Effects and 327 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.519 Best Visual Effects, and Sigourney Weaver got a nomination for 328 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.200 Best Actress, which was the first given for a science 329 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.559 fiction film at a time when the genre was given 330 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:18.400 little respect. The film also won several other accolades, including 331 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.519 eight Saturn Awards and a Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, 332 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.240 and the success led to immediate discussions of a sequel, 333 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:27.640 which resulted in nineteen ninety two's Alien three. 334 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:29.440 So one for each a decade. 335 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:36.680 Huh yep, Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of 336 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.839 our thoughts on the film. You can share your thoughts 337 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.240 with us through email or social media. We may use 338 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.480 your comments on an upcoming episode. 339 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:51.359 All this time around, Sigourney Weaver got top billing, yes, queen, And. 340 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.200 I hope she got her coins too. 341 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:55.400 I'm sure she did. 342 00:17:55.519 --> 00:18:00.000 I hope she did. You never know with American filmmaking industry. 343 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:02.960 Oh but they shot and London, so maybe it's a 344 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:03.640 little bit different. 345 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:05.920 Yeah, but I think she had become a much bigger 346 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:06.880 star by this point. 347 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:08.039 Yeah, good for her. 348 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.559 So we pick up with her being rescued from her ship. 349 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:16.839 Right Saint Poe's hand by the heart, Kitty on the lap, 350 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:21.920 very angelic. Apparently she's been in outer space for fifty 351 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.240 two years, fifty seven fifty seven years. 352 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.160 And I guess when you're in that cryo sleep. 353 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:32.400 You don't ate iogenically frozen, your hair doesn't grow nothing, 354 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.680 You're not even her nails. Yeah, she didn't have like 355 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:39.559 I mean, it's only been what like five years since 356 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:40.680 the last movie. 357 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:43.599 It's been seven. 358 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:47.119 Seven, so she aged pretty well. She's not as young 359 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.319 as she used to be, but she looks good and 360 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:54.039 I think she still got it. And God, wouldn't it 361 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:56.839 be awful if the first person you met when like 362 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:01.799 you woke up was like a company representative. Right, Oh, 363 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.920 that's awful. Where's your family? I guess she didn't have 364 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:06.200 any living relatives. 365 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:09.559 I guess not when we only mentioned her daughter, which 366 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:10.880 is an extended cut thing. 367 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.559 But yeah, that's awful. I hate this company. I hate 368 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:21.440 this company so much. It's like this idea of profits 369 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:26.920 over people is still a through line from the last movie. 370 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:33.759 And I feel like the guy who plays the company guy, 371 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:37.079 I don't know his name, Burke? Is it Burke? Yeah, Burke? 372 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.039 He sucks. He's the perfect guy. He looks like an 373 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.680 eighties sleeve bag. Yeah, Like, I wouldn't trust that man 374 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:50.640 with anything. And if he said, oh, like, don't worry 375 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:53.839 about it. We're definitely going to kill these aliens that 376 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:56.720 are worth millions of dollars to my company. 377 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.680 Yeah, Like, corporate greed is definitely like a theme in 378 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.200 these two movies. Yeah, I kind of like that. 379 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.640 It's very interesting though, because like in the eighties, corporate 380 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:13.599 greed is almost romanticized and like it's like something that 381 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:17.240 a lot of people aspire to think about that movie 382 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:21.480 Wall Street where they say greed is good, or even 383 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:26.119 like the movie American Psycho with Christian Bale, where you know, 384 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.799 it's these affluent white men kind of climbing the corporate 385 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.440 ladder and doing their best job to make money for 386 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:38.640 corporations and be active participants in capitalism. So I feel 387 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.039 like this movie is going against that grain in the eighties, 388 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.880 which is very interesting, very interesting. But the Marines are 389 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:49.880 all for highre Yeah, so it's kind of, I don't know, 390 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:54.880 very mixed signals. I hate the Marines, I'm so sorry, 391 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:58.799 not like as an organ well as an organization or 392 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.599 like an entity. I think there's like a lot of 393 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:05.400 respect and being a Marine, and there's like obviously a 394 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:10.640 lot of prestige, but y'all, if this is how you 395 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:15.079 act for real and like a job, that's horrible. That's horrifying. 396 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.319 Especially when they did that thing where they were eating 397 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:21.759 lunch and they got the Android to do that knife thing. 398 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:29.960 That's that's a that's a salt, that's a salt. That 399 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:31.079 was really. 400 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:34.880 Scary and if anyone should be like following company like 401 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:38.799