WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:40.240 You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network. 2 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:51.640 They all episode eight, you know, Honestly speaking, the numbers 3 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:53.880 are growing every episode as far as listeners, and so 4 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:57.119 I'm just extremely appreciative of everybody who's tuning in and 5 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.679 kind of seeing this growing Vinegar Syndrome community. This is 6 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.799 Punk Vacation of Vinegar Syndrome, an unofficial Vinegar Syndrome podcast. 7 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:09.680 As y'all know if you've listened before, my whole purpose 8 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:13.519 for the show is finding the joy and unfettered creativity, 9 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:18.680 which I think really is something I connect with Vinegar Syndrome. 10 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.519 I want to make this a podcast dedicated to bringing 11 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:25.599 awareness and context to movies from any budget, anywhere around 12 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:30.359 the world and during any time in history. I've been 13 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.120 a subscriber since Black Friday of twenty twenty one, and 14 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:36.159 through a different podcast, they Live by Film. I've interviewed 15 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:39.719 a lot of the different OCN partner labels and members 16 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:43.120 of Vinegar Syndrome and just slowly been watching them become 17 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:46.239 an industry powerhouse and then slow slow and then quick 18 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:48.959 quick as it goes, and I just wanted to track 19 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:51.239 along and use this podcast to see kind of how 20 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:56.719 high they can go. So I'm extremely honored and excited. 21 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:00.280 Today there's a content creator and a YouTuber and and 22 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:04.719 film lover named Sam Dunkley who's joined. Sam, thank you 23 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:05.840 so much for making this time. 24 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.360 Of course. Yeah, I'm very happy to be here. You 25 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:12.639 put out on social media for you know, volunteers for 26 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:16.159 interest to be on the podcast, and I DMed you 27 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:22.199 and you're you're receptive to my my, you know, agreement 28 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.520 to be on the show. So yeah, I'm very excited 29 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:26.680 to talk about being Benega Syndrome today. I'm a big 30 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:29.039 fan of the podcast so far. As you said, this 31 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.960 is episode eight, and I think all eight episodes have 32 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:36.199 been really, really good. It's a really good start to 33 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:39.520 a podcast which probably should have had a podcast for 34 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:42.960 this label like years ago. At this point, it's crazy 35 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:46.319 that it's taken this long for someone to start one up, 36 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:48.520 but it's been it's been a great ride so far. 37 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.520 And yeah, very excited to be hit today. 38 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.960 Thank you, Sam. And we're going to get into the movies. 39 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.240 So we're today's topic. We're going to go over the 40 00:02:56.240 --> 00:03:00.439 movies that came out in October. As y'all know, it 41 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:03.639 always takes a while to get them, so the it's 42 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:06.199 a little bit weird six weeks after October first to 43 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.960 be recording this episode, but it's just the way that 44 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:10.840 it goes when they ship out the films and when 45 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:13.719 people actually get them in. So everybody should be kind 46 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:15.520 of you know, I should have the October movies at 47 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:17.759 home now and want to use this as a guide, 48 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:20.360 especially leading into the Black Friday Sale, which is coming 49 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:24.439 up in about ten days. An hour or so, before 50 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:28.439 we get into all of that, Sam, what do you 51 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.080 do online? Like, you have a few different or you 52 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:33.080 have a kind of a main personality, I should say, 53 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:35.360 online on YouTube and other channel, So what do you 54 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:36.639 tell us a little bit about yourself? 55 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:42.639 Yeah, So, like everyone and their dog during the pandemic, 56 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.400 I needed an outlet to talk about my like my 57 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.479 main passion, which is film. So I started a YouTube 58 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.680 channel called film Blog of Sam, in which I talked 59 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:56.960 about physical media and films in general, and I sporadically 60 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.879 release things on there. It's not like a regular up 61 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.759 upload of things because I have a full time job 62 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:05.080 and a family and I actually want to watch films 63 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:09.000 as well. So I just, yeah, just I got to 64 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:10.960 know a lot of people in the community, like the 65 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:16.920 Ryan from Disconnected and various amounts of other people, and 66 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.399 so yeah, I do that. And I have a podcast 67 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:22.879 called Let's Watch two, which is like a film pairing podcast, 68 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:27.759 and I've just recently started a blog on my website 69 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:31.399 for Blu Ray Reviews, so that's also on Let's Watch 70 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.240 two under the Blu Ray Reviews section. And just yeah, 71 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:37.160 just just I like to guest on other people's channels 72 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.680 and podcasts, which have done quite a number of times 73 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:44.959 over over the last few years. And yeah, so that's me. 74 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.839 You did agree. There's a really good episode recently on 75 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:54.399 the Radiance podcast that you did that I want to 76 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:56.480 point people to that make sure they go listen to it. 77 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:04.240 Yeah, we spoke about the recent announcements that are coming 78 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.199 out in January or February time, the recent slate anyway, 79 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.399 and then we also talked about a Vault. It was 80 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:14.319 like a part announcement, part volt episode. So we talked 81 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:19.519 about a previous catalog title, The Elegant Beast, and we 82 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:22.759 had a really sort of thoughtful, in depth conversation about 83 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:26.000 that film, which I think went really well. And yeah, 84 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:28.600 got on really well with Adams. So hopefully I can, 85 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.800 you know, guest on that podcast again in the new year. 86 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:34.079 So that was a really good, really good time. 87 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:38.040 So yeah, and so it was good. It's fun to 88 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:42.000 listen to as well. Sam. You before we started recording, 89 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:45.759 you mentioned that Vinegar Syndrome is a label that you own, 90 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:50.639 made possibly the most of and so, what what's the 91 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.199 journey that got you to Vinegar Syndrome, Like, you know, 92 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.120 are you were you always kind of a fan of 93 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.519 French cinema. What's your journey been like to get you 94 00:05:59.600 --> 00:05:59.800 to this? 95 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.040 I feel like I'm very similar to you because I've 96 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.120 heard you say a few times your entry point to 97 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:10.120 a lot of these types of you know, weird odd 98 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.720 ball genre films and stuff that Vinegar Syndrome tend to 99 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.199 release that aren't like, you know, the bigger titles that 100 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.639 they've been putting out in more recent years is through 101 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:23.399 art House cinema. So when I first started collecting boutique 102 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.839 blu rays and stuff like that, it was Criterion Chat 103 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.199 Criterion discs. I think the first ever disc I bought 104 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:34.600 that I knew was a boutique later disc at the 105 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:41.399 time was Gilder. Yeah, so it was the Criterion Discstint 106 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:43.480 come over to the UK for quite a long time, 107 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.199 so like the UK, and was a lot of behind 108 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.160 on that, and I wasn't important things at that time. 109 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:55.439 Now I import anything and everything to feed my addiction. 110 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:01.680 And then through years and years of just exposure to 111 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.360 various different types of cinema and watching all the classics 112 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:07.079 and all the things that are regarded by many people 113 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:11.040 as like masterpieces and stuff across different genres and territories 114 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.839 around the world, I started to really want to push 115 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:21.800 my sort of comfort level and push my understanding of 116 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:27.439 more sort of low budget and just fringe cinema. As 117 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:32.560 you mentioned. So I saw various different people on the internet, 118 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.639 mainly on YouTube, talking about all these labels like Severin 119 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:41.000 and Vinegar Syndrome, and I just went on the website 120 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.199 and I just saw these things that I'd never heard of, 121 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.360 and that excited and that excited me, and you know, 122 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.160 you get I like on the Vinegar Syndrome site because 123 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:51.800 you get to look through stills of what the film 124 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:53.959 looks like and things like that in like really good quality, 125 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:57.959 and they're usually pretty good at writing copy to sort 126 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.720 of sell you the film. And I just picked up 127 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.759 a few things. I can't remember what year it was 128 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:08.519 I first picked up some stuff. Oh, whatever year Blood 129 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.439 Games came out, whatever year that came out, is when 130 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:15.680 I first started collecting them. And I haven't looked back 131 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:19.120 since I'm not a subscriber right now, but I have 132 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:23.639 been like a half year subscriber before when they've had 133 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:29.160 like the July to December subscription in the summer. I've 134 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.160 done that before when I've been able to afford it, 135 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.919 and I filled in a lot of the back catalog. 136 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.879 As I said, it's that I'm looking at them right 137 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:38.919 now as we speak, because that's just the way I'm 138 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.799 facing and the shelving in front of me, and it's 139 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:44.759 a considerable amount of One of my shelving units is 140 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.440 just Vinegar Syndrome, and then all the partner labels that 141 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:51.039 associated associated with them. And yeah, and I've just been 142 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:55.399 my tastes have leaned more towards the obscure and the 143 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:58.440 weird and wonderful and as you said, just enjoying that 144 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:03.519 unfettered creativity and just appreciating, you know, what some film 145 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:08.039 filmmakers can do with so little, and just being completely 146 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.320 enamored with that. I've just been really enjoying the journey. 147 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:14.799 And yeah, I prioritize these sorts of things over more 148 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:19.799 commercially available films that I know, you know, maybe get 149 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:23.120 a lot more support. And I just love film preservation 150 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.080 and restoration and I think vinegar syndrome at the forefront 151 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:33.039 of that. And yeah, so I've just slowly over the 152 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.559 time just been collecting loads of them and just really 153 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:38.679 enjoying it. And I don't get to talk about them 154 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:42.519 very often because one they're a US based companies, so 155 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.200 even like serious collectors in the UK are sort of 156 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.120 if they're interested, they're put off because it's the import 157 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:53.759 cost and as much as they you have to wait 158 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:55.440 for sales a lot of the time. I tend to 159 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:57.759 pick up a lot of stuff brand new because I 160 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:00.840 like to support things upfront, and I do wait for 161 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.840 sales for some things. But there's not a lot of 162 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.919 people in the UK to talk about the vinegar syndrome 163 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:11.360 stuff too much that I'm like friends friendly with. So yeah, 164 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.519 I think you're you're similar in me. You went through 165 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:15.360 the route of art house. 166 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:17.720 Yeah, I know you you nailed it. I mean, I 167 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.919 think what it's always interesting to hear from people that 168 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.559 had a similar background, because you know, I think what 169 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.240 happened to me is because I was told that Corsa 170 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:32.639 and Fellini and Antonioni and Bergmann and all these people 171 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:37.039 are like good films, right, I just and I mean, 172 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.879 there's a reason they're like that. They're amazing filmmakers. Felini, 173 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:43.399 even with everything I've seen, he story remains one of 174 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:49.200 my favorite. But like, these are amazing filmmakers doing incredible things, 175 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.519 and they are on the other end of this. If 176 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:56.279 you go up back to this idea of like, you know, 177 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:59.799 kind of well untethered creative at least of not having 178 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:02.960 a studio just dictating every move. There at the other 179 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:06.600 end of it, where they're respected and they have distribution 180 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.000 and they're at festivals, but they still get to kind 181 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.799 of there are tours, right Yeah. And then the thing 182 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:14.320 that I realized very quickly as I started watching some 183 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:17.039 of these with vinegar syndrome is that these are also 184 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:19.840 our tours. They're just not distributed in the same way. 185 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.000 But they have this similar vibe to a lot of 186 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.360 the art house stuff because they're allowed to go make 187 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:28.679 the movie they want to. And that's just I just 188 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.480 love it. I love anybody that can do that, and 189 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:32.120 you get to see some wacky stuff, like we're going 190 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.559 to talk about ghost Stands here in just a minute 191 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.159 and Corpse Mania, And there's nothing really that connects these 192 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:43.600 two movies other than this spirit of recklessness and just 193 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.039 kind of like fun that you can tell the filmmakers 194 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:49.559 or just doing whatever they want. And I like it. 195 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.200 I like it a lot. Actually, it's good we're talking 196 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:54.840 about art house because one of the ones we're going 197 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.720 to talk about today is just a straight arthouse film. 198 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.799 It could easily have been put up Criterion. Oh yeah, 199 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.440 for sure, Yeah, I think we can jump in. I mean, so, 200 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:07.919 where where do people find you if they want to 201 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:09.440 find you? Do you do you want people to go 202 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:12.159 find you? And just watch two? Do you want people 203 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.000 to find you? And film bloggers Sam like where do 204 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:15.159 you want people point? 205 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:19.320 Yeah? So like film blogger Sam is like my handle 206 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:24.440 on like Instagram and YouTube, so yeah, you can find 207 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.399 me by just such an that on Google really to 208 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:30.559 be honest. And then my website is let's watchto dot 209 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.559 com And I have a website there with which like 210 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.440 has links to like my YouTube stuff as well. When 211 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:38.600 then it has a few because I've only been doing 212 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:43.720 it recently, some written reviews for some physical media releases. Yeah, 213 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:44.759 you can find me there. 214 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:46.879 Oh, I said, I said, just watch too. I'm sorry, 215 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.000 let's watch too that. Yeah, yeah, we'll put the links 216 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:51.960 in the in the episode. 217 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:56.960 Anyways, as the eighteen eighties do to a close, almost 218 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:02.279 all of the Western tribes share the crushing hopelessness, and 219 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.120 once again the white men's government wanted to reduce their 220 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:06.840 reservations even further. 221 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.799 So they were ripe for a Messiah. 222 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.000 We're talking about murder here, doctor two, to be exactly, 223 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.240 and there's nothing supernatural about fact. 224 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:24.919 And that Messiah was Wellboca. 225 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:30.480 We started preaching a strange mixture of Christianity and the 226 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:32.039 old Indian beliefs. 227 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.159 Called the ghost Dance religion. 228 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.000 Among other claims, Wovoka. 229 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:39.639 Swore that he had actually visited God in heaven. 230 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:44.639 You've been under a terrific strain out in the desert 231 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:45.039 at night. 232 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.559 Your mind can turn somersaults, and whatever you see or 233 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:50.679 hear can seem very real. 234 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:57.679 I'm telling you he was there. 235 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:06.279 All right. Well, let's get into it. So October is 236 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.879 it was a huge month for them, just in terms 237 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:14.960 of their core their mainline releases. They they always put 238 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:17.120 out several movies a month, but I think this month 239 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:20.200 was let's see what ghost Dance three six six movies 240 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:22.399 just in their mainline. 241 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:28.840 Yeah, pretty pretty stacked releases as well. So, uh, lots 242 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:31.000 of a lot of bang for your buck for like 243 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:32.799 a bundle for this month for sure. 244 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:36.679 Yeah, and they there's some movies that you know, it's 245 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:41.960 always interesting to me because I wasn't into regional horror 246 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:46.159 or obscure horror in my teens. I when it was 247 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:49.320 still VHS kind of going to the DVD I missed 248 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:53.200 out on stuff Like so title forty one is Ghost Dance, right, 249 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:56.600 And this is one of the ones that's really interesting 250 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.840 to me because this is one that people had on 251 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:00.559 their list of like, oh, I hope this gets a 252 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:04.440 release one day, like a like a nice Blu ray 253 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:10.039 release one day, and I'd never heard of it. Did 254 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.279 you have any backgrounds to this film before seeing it? 255 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:17.879 Absolutely none. As I've over the years become more more 256 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:23.919 versed in like all these obscure films, just by association 257 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.000 and being in forms and stuff, you get you get 258 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:28.279 to hear about various different films and stuff, even if 259 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:31.279 you haven't seen them, you become aware of them. But yeah, 260 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:34.759 even Ghost Dance wasn't something that i'd come across, so 261 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:38.399 when it was announced, I was very intrigued to check 262 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:39.120 it out for sure. 263 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.399 Yeah, and if you know, a lot of these movies 264 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:47.759 are Hollywood adjacent, this one really is not the only 265 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.120 the only The most famous person here is probably the 266 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:53.600 cinematographer who has had a pretty long career. His name 267 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:57.519 was Fred Murphy, had a long career as a cinematographer. 268 00:15:57.559 --> 00:15:59.600 But the one thing that thought was really interesting in 269 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.879 the interview and stuff associated with this disc was that 270 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:08.679 the director and writer aren't even making movies anymore. They're 271 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:12.399 just you know, they're just like businessmen. And they were 272 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:14.559 pulled back in to talk about this movie and they 273 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:16.679 got to kind of revisit and have fun revisiting it, 274 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:19.120 which I thought was awesome. So, you know, this is 275 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:21.080 truly like one of those movies that was a time 276 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:25.039 and a place it was made. It wasn't quite didn't 277 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:28.799 have the success the filmmakers wanted it to, and for 278 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:30.200 the most part they I mean, you know, there's some 279 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.159 people that, you know, some actors in here that had 280 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:36.080 smaller gigs and just kind of maybe a working man's 281 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.799 career as an actor. But for the most part, this 282 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:48.840 is a very kind of insular, singular release. So the 283 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:54.879 let see six thousand units and that I forgot to 284 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.360 check before we were starting how it's selling. So go ahead, 285 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:01.000 and I just while you give your thoughts, I'll check 286 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:02.480 on how well it's selling for them right now, and 287 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.160 then i'll find it. But what did you think of it? 288 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:09.680 I have mixed opinions on this one. I definitely found 289 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:14.400 it interesting and a nice sort of snapshot of a 290 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:21.720 time and place. But let's start off with begin at 291 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:23.880 the beginning of the film. I thought the first like 292 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.039 ten minutes fifteen minutes of this film were really good. 293 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:33.079 So it starts off with they're digging up like a 294 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:39.160 burial ground site these like what they just professors in 295 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.680 archaeologists or I'm not entirely sure what they are. Yeah, 296 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:46.799 and they uncover this burial ground of what they think 297 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:54.039 is a folklore legend person. And it's the whole beginning 298 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:55.720 ten to fifteen minutes of the film. It's like there's 299 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:58.279 no dialogue and it's mostly apart from the first bit 300 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:00.759 at the beginning, it's in like night time and there's 301 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:06.400 a lot of you know, not espionage, that's the completely 302 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:09.720 the wrong thing, but like skulking around and secretive stuff 303 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:13.160 going on, and it's very intriguing, and I was very like, 304 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:16.480 where's this going? And the film was sold to me 305 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:20.519 as being sort of like slasher esque, but obviously with 306 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:23.519 a twist because there's some sort of supernatural element, which 307 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:27.119 is not uncommon for slasher films to have supernatural elements 308 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:31.759 for sure, but incorporating sort of Native American folklore and 309 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:38.720 spiritualism and just possession of some description. Unfortunately, as the 310 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.160 film progressed, I found there were some really cool set 311 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:48.200 pieces that I really enjoyed, and I can definitely appreciate 312 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:55.400 that the filmmakers were undeterred to fulfill their vision even 313 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.720 though they were on a budget, and that goes into 314 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:01.319 in the special features that they were kind of restricted 315 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.079 in some senses and they had to sort of almost 316 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:07.200 accept some like first takes with some things because they 317 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:09.920 just had to, you know, move on, because they didn't 318 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:12.400 have time to like reset everything and carry and like 319 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:17.240 get the perfect shot sometimes. But I found the film 320 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:21.400 a bit stale in places, if that's fair to say. 321 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:24.559 The writing could have been a bit more inspired. I 322 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:28.839 thought the performances were fine and it looked pretty good, 323 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.440 but yeah, it does something didn't completely connect with me. 324 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:37.160 I'm definitely glad I watched it, and the special features 325 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.799 definitely elaborate on things, and there are some interesting characters 326 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:42.759 behind the making of this film, which made me enjoy 327 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:45.160 it a bit more. I love special features when they 328 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:47.480 can do that, when they can shine some light on things. 329 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:51.799 But it didn't completely work for me, but there are 330 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:55.200 elements of it that did work and I did enjoy it, 331 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:57.400 so it wasn't like a wasted time for me. But 332 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:01.160 it's probably not one not I'm going to be watching 333 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:08.480 again with anytime soon, but definitely an interesting different take 334 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:15.039 on this sort of thing that I feel is quite tasteful. 335 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.559 I don't know. It's always a very difficult thing to 336 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:25.680 balance when you have sort of white filmmakers tackling this 337 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:28.720 subject matter when it's not their culture that they're representing. 338 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:32.799 But I feel that's that's that's that's tackled in the 339 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.799 special features as well, or they the writer and stuff 340 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:40.119 talk about how they feel about the subject matter and stuff. 341 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.960 But I personally I wasn't offended by any of it. 342 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:45.519 I thought it was done in a a in a 343 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:50.279 good way, but I maybe other people would find it problematic. 344 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:54.000 But yeah, I liked it, but I wouldn't say it 345 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.359 was great. But yeah, what what did you think of 346 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:56.880 Ghost Dance? 347 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:01.240 Yeah, oh that's great. Thank you for getting into that. 348 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:05.240 I think there's one quick thing. It's it looks like 349 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:08.640 it's sold about thirty five hundred copies so far, so 350 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:12.799 it's out of six thousand. They'll limited subcovery, so there's 351 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:16.640 still a fair amount left. But it's selling pretty well. 352 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:20.480 I think. I'm assuming it's probably selling well in the 353 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:23.599 strength of the bundle is my guess, as opposed to 354 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.519 people necessarily seeking this out individually. But at the same time, 355 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:29.559 the fact that they made six thousand of these, it 356 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:32.079 must have had a following them that they knew about 357 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:37.440 going into this. There's a couple of points I just 358 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:39.680 want to call out before I get into directly how 359 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:45.279 I feel. So the filmmakers were from Arizona, and that 360 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.359 you know, Arizona, New Mexico. It's kind of there's areas 361 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.319 that are sort of called like the Southwest in America, 362 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:57.720 and Native American culture is very ingrained in your day 363 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:00.839 to day there. I don't know, I didn't go to 364 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:04.960 school in Arizona, but I imagine that in elementary school, and 365 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.720 you probably start to have a greater awareness of tradition 366 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:13.680 and Native American history and stuff in that area than 367 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:16.160 you would in other areas of even in the US. 368 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.160 It's you know, there's a lot of people in New Mexico, 369 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:25.079 which is next door. There's a lot of reservations now 370 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:28.680 that have been there there. It's in that state, there's 371 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.799 a lot of reservations. And in fact, there's one area 372 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:38.759 called Chaco Canyon, which is really cool because they's it's 373 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:45.000 one of the most untouched old worship sites that has 374 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:48.680 been It hasn't been it's been preserved really well. So 375 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:50.920 it's hard to get to because you have to go 376 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:53.839 you know, you fly into an airport and then you 377 00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:55.920 drive two and a half hours to get there. Then 378 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:57.240 once you get there, you have to go on a 379 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:01.720 road that hasn't been maintained, and it's like this. But 380 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:04.160 when you actually get to Chocoal Canyon, it's a little 381 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.440 bit of an out of body experience because it's a 382 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:08.720 place where people have been coming all the way from Mexico, 383 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:11.880 which is just south of it. They've been coming up 384 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:14.440 to worship at this one area for thousands of years, 385 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:19.880 and so it's got you can see, like because it's 386 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:23.000 so well preserved, you can kind of see the society there, 387 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:25.559 and you can there's some houses that are still preserved 388 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:28.240 and some temples that are there. It's a really cool, 389 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:32.759 very spiritual, interesting area. My point of that is to 390 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:35.640 say that I think when you grow up in the Southwest, 391 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:40.920 you have a natural curiosity and closeness like proximity to 392 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:45.680 that culture, right to Native American culture. So when these 393 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:50.079 two college aged white dudes set out to make a 394 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:55.880 movie about Native American culture, it's not like they were 395 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:59.680 completely without context, even if it wasn't native to them. 396 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.680 And one thing I did like is that they engage 397 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:08.359 the local tribes fairly well in the writing of the 398 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.960 folklore to make sure that they weren't being too offensive. 399 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:16.920 So they did their appropriate amount of homework. There was 400 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:20.279 one thing that was a little curious where they said 401 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.880 that they were asked not to use this some the 402 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.119 character of Nahala. I don't know if that's who's kind 403 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:31.599 of like the main spiritual battie here in the film. 404 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:34.680 I don't know that that's exactly the name from the 405 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.400 tribe they were speaking with, but that character that they 406 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.559 took they were asked not to use him as it 407 00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:45.440 was kind of important, I guess, And so if I 408 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.880 remember correctly, and I don't know if I hope I'm 409 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:50.279 remembering that correctly, but there was one thing they were 410 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.880 asked not to use, and they did it anyways. And 411 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:55.880 you know that that ties into what I really like 412 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.160 about the special features was I got the sense that 413 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.039 they were looking back and they had spent a lot 414 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:05.599 of time really thinking about whether or not they did 415 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:08.319 the right thing in making this movie. 416 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.000 Yeah, I get that. I get the sense of that, Yeah, 417 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.160 from the special features, Yeah, for sure. 418 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:17.759 Yeah. They I don't think they were flippant about it, 419 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:20.640 Like when they defended the content in the movie. They 420 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:23.000 really it felt like it was coming from a thoughtful place, 421 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.640 which I appreciated, and it felt like their intentions were 422 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.039 in the right place. Even trying to like see if 423 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:34.279 they could shoot on a particular area of the city 424 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:36.559 instead of just like rolling up and shooting, they went 425 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.599 to the elders and like asked permission to shoot there, 426 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.480 and so they kind of if you can imagine the 427 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:44.640 maturity of a bunch of twenty two year old kids, 428 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:46.440 it felt like they were kind of ahead of their 429 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:49.480 time and tried to do the right thing. 430 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:52.920 Let me just say it that way, heart's in the 431 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:53.440 right place. 432 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.640 Yeah, exactly. Whether or not they got it perfectly, I 433 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.039 don't know. I'm probably not the best person to ask, 434 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:00.960 but like it felt like their heart was in the 435 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:05.799 right place. So I think I'm probably landing somewhere where 436 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:10.079 you are. There are things in this movie I really like, Like, 437 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:15.079 for example, they win this ghost of Nahala and and 438 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:17.839 he kind of takes over a body. Right, So it's 439 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.400 a movie where the spirit of Nahala, he's like an 440 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:24.359 angry spirit, he's evengeful spirit. He doesn't like people coming in, 441 00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:26.960 does it. I can't remember if it specifically calls out 442 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.279 white people or if it's just like like like non 443 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:33.559 natives coming. I can't remember exactly how they frame it. 444 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:36.319 But he's not happy with the progress that's affecting his people, 445 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:40.079 and he embodies human, and that human goes on a 446 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:40.960 murderous rampage. 447 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:41.119 Right. 448 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.559 That's kind of the setup, right, Yeah, exactly. 449 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.599 And the kills when Nahala is killing I thought were 450 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.599 pretty good. They had some pretty gnarly kills. 451 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:57.240 Yeah, there's a there's an impaling one in the museum. 452 00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.759 I think, Yes, that was that was that was a 453 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:01.200 pretty that was a pretty gold kill. 454 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:07.440 Yeah, pretty good special effects or practical effects. As the 455 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:12.559 as this long, like, uh, it's a is it a spirit? 456 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.960 That's that one of the stuffs. 457 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.240 It's like it's like an arrow or something those something. 458 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:19.680 It's like I watched it like a week ago. 459 00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.400 No, it's okay, I saw it like three four weeks ago, 460 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:26.759 so but it's I think it's as part of the display. 461 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:28.240 Right, Yeah, yeah, it's getting. 462 00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:31.640 Killed on this Yeah, but it's it's slow and painful 463 00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:33.880 and bloody. It's good. I like it. It's a good kill. 464 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.640 And then as the as they get towards the end 465 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.720 and you start to kind of the it's more becomes 466 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.160 more of like a almost like a spiritual battle with 467 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:48.039 they They spend a lot of time in the film 468 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.920 convincing one of the local tribes to like help, right 469 00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.000 because they they know how to ward off this Nahala spirit. 470 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.240 And once they finally do and they start that battle, 471 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.559 I think the practical effects are pretty cool as well 472 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:05.000 as it starts to become more of a supernatural horror type. 473 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.640 I mean, it's light. It's not like we're talking about 474 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.400 interdimensions or something. But it's you can kind of see 475 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.400 it's not just a human and I think that the 476 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.200 effects there are are pretty well done. 477 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:17.039 Yeah, I agree. 478 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:20.680 But yeah, other than that, I don't know that there's 479 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:22.119 too much to say about it. I think it's a 480 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:27.640 fun slasher. As far as like what stood out, the 481 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:31.039 cinematography does stand out. It's beautiful, and this guy, you know, 482 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:35.200 Fred Murphy, certainly is a talented cinematographer. The only thing 483 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.519 I'll say is that have you ever been to Arizona? 484 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:39.119 By chance? It's a very specific question. 485 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:40.920 Yeah, no, I've never been. 486 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.519 No, it's okay. The only reason I'm asking is it's 487 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.440 kind of cheating to say it's good cinematography. 488 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.400 Because oh yeah, especially with the scenic thing, like but 489 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.519 just set up your camera and press go and you're like, wow, 490 00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:55.319 it's beautiful. 491 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.000 Exactly. Yeah, it's really hard to find a bad shot there. 492 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.680 It's like I always say this about Lawrence of Arabia. 493 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.640 It's considered one of the most beautiful shot films ever, right, 494 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:09.119 and I mean, who am I to argue it's amazing, 495 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:12.279 it's stunning. But also where they're filming, it's like, I mean, 496 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.359 come on, it's hard to have a bad. Shut, like 497 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.240 they found some amazing locations for that film and then shut. 498 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:23.039 Well, yeah, I agree. It's so very similar to some 499 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:30.559 of the like Technicolor john Ford Western's yea, yeah, like 500 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.759 there there are absolutely stunning to look at. But I'm like, yeah, 501 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.319 but half the work is done by the natural environment. 502 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:38.839 It's not It does look great, don't get me wrong, 503 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.880 but I'm like, yeah, like you just find the location 504 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:46.119 and point and shoot. That's that's simp oversimplifying, of course, 505 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:51.160 but you know, the environment is definitely contributing quite more 506 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.880 than what other you know, cinematographers' jobs have to do 507 00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:56.960 when they're working on sets and things like that. 508 00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.839 For sure, any any DP listening is throwing something. 509 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.920 I'm sure they are and that that's fine. 510 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.759 And no offense meant. But yeah, I know I kind 511 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:09.400 of feel that way. It's it's like it's hard to 512 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:14.680 shoot bad in Arizona, but the you know, I wouldn't 513 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.559 say the music is necessarily a standout, like it's okay, 514 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.359 you know, I think the writing is probably a weak 515 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:22.240 point in terms of. 516 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.440 Yeah, I think so, yeah. 517 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:27.759 Yeah, but it's fun. I mean, I can't say that 518 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:33.319 I've seen any other Native American slashers where the where 519 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:38.200 the focus is the killer itself is you know, angry 520 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.880 at the white people and like out for revenge, and 521 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.200 it's more than just like a standard slasher. 522 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.720 Yeah, I completely agree. Yeah, different, unique just didn't completely 523 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.279 work for me. But you know, not everything has to 524 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.119 I'm always happy to watch something that just you know, 525 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:57.880 gives me knowledge on something that I've never I don't 526 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.480 have no knowledge on. So yeah, it's good. It's it's good, 527 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:02.720 but not great, as I said. 528 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.279 So yeah, Now, I was trying to think of Hawd 529 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.440 a segue between these next two. If this was a 530 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.319 love letter to Arizona and Native American culture, I think 531 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:16.079 released for eighty two kind of becomes a love letter 532 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:21.880 to Paris in like a dark way. So it's I 533 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.960 it's my It's the first Polanski movie I've ever seen. 534 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.480 I've intentionally avoided his films. 535 00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:34.160 For whoa, this is the first Polanski film you've ever watched? Wow, Okay, 536 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.400 I understand I understand why you'd avoid his films, But 537 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.119 I think I watched a few of his films before 538 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.079 I even knew about the allegations, you know. 539 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.599 I mean, I mean it's hard to avoid them. 540 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.759 Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean especially like, yeah, Rosemary's Baby 541 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:58.200 and Repulsion and things like the classic films like Rosemies Babies, 542 00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.799 you know, in the pan in of like the greatest 543 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.440 horror films I ever made. So yeah, anyway, but how 544 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.319 did you what did you get out of your first 545 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:09.559 Polanski experience? 546 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:14.920 Well, it was pissed because I really liked it. 547 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:15.680 It's so good. 548 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:18.440 So oh, I guess we haven't mentioned the name, so 549 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:24.519 we're talking about the tenant, Yeah, which is it's a 550 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:30.000 film from let's see nineteen seventy six. This is a 551 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:37.720 movie that has just a stacked cast. Probably most famous 552 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:41.640 would be Shelley Winters, and then obviously Isabella Johnny, who 553 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:47.160 most horror fans know from Possession. She has a great 554 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.359 role here. Yeah, for sure, she's amazing in this, and 555 00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:55.920 then Melvin Douglas from The Changeling. So good, big cast. 556 00:32:56.359 --> 00:33:02.440 The movie shot in English, which is interesting. Yeah, but 557 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.799 it's a it's a French film, fully, fully a French 558 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.359 film in terms of there's no like Americans in Paris 559 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:11.319 kind of thing, like, this is a movie about French 560 00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:17.559 people in France, and specifically about Parisians. I would say 561 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.920 about this, this immigrant coming in and having a weird 562 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:28.200 experience being in Paris, and but it's all shot in English. 563 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:29.319 Mm hmm. 564 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:35.440 And I'm curious if you agree that this is primarily 565 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.440 a film about an immigrant coming into Paris, or if 566 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.119 you think that I missed the point. 567 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:45.160 No, I think I think that's a fair interpretation of 568 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.920 the film. A lot of people I would say that, 569 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:54.160 and they're probably right. But Polanski's film The Piano the 570 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.720 Pianist is his most personal film because he was a 571 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:03.480 Holocaust survivor great and the film is about the Holocaust 572 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:11.119 and and stuff. So, but there's a lot more personal 573 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:17.760 stuff going on with maybe Polanski's psyche, with being someone 574 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:24.360 who you know, survived all that I think is a 575 00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:31.320 very psychological film, more so than his other films in 576 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:35.079 what is known as the Apartment trilogy, which you haven't 577 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.960 seen obviously, so that would be Rosemie's Baby in Repulsion 578 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:45.199 are sort of these connected thematic films that he made 579 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.159 during his career, and this is the last, this is 580 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.320 the last one in that sort of trilogy that are 581 00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:59.360 very connected with sort of the downward spiral of an 582 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:05.559 individual and how they're surrounding the people that they interact 583 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:10.559 with are influencing the way they feel and the way 584 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.519 they act. But whereas this one differs from Rose Muse, 585 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:18.360 Bray Baby and Repulsion is that this one is very 586 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:22.519 ambiguous and whether what is happening to this individual is 587 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.119 actually happening or if it's in their head, Whereas the 588 00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.239 other two films they play with that and then things 589 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.760 get revealed, the truth is revealed about what the situation is, 590 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:36.599 whereas this one is very ambiguous and a lot more 591 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.679 pulling on the psychological elements because you can interpret it 592 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.400 how you want to, but you never explicitly told what 593 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.559 the motives are and what exactly is happening here. And 594 00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.559 I love that for that reason. I think this It's 595 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.599 tough because rosemye Baby is so damn good as well, 596 00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:57.639 But I don't know, I think this one might be 597 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:02.480 my favorite Polanski. Well, as you said, the supporting cast 598 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:07.320 is so good and it's yeah, the cinematography is stunning, 599 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.639 Like spen Nick Fist, who I always like to point 600 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.400 out was the director of photography for Sleepless in Seattle, 601 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.000 but he has obviously he was the dop for so 602 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:26.000 many incredible wing Mark Bergmann films, so and he's just 603 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.519 a very very talented photographer so well. 604 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.320 And especially I think this film was very important to 605 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.960 have like a sense of intimacy and kind of like 606 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:39.039 closed rooms and claustrophobia, and that's a lot of what 607 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.559 Bergmann was famous for it, right, So I think, yeah, yeah, 608 00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:44.440 having Nick Fist work on this was a good choice 609 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:49.039 for that was probably very comfortable for him. But I 610 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.320 love that you brought up the psychological aspect. So there's 611 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.199 two things I think that really stood out to me 612 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:57.239 in the tenant. One is, as you mentioned this kind 613 00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.599 of downward spiral of the human psyche, and I think 614 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:05.079 never letting the audience know if it's in the mind, 615 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.840 Oh well, we should mention. Polanski is also the main 616 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:11.000 actor here, Yes he is, and he plays a Polish 617 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.320 guy who's trying to get settled into France, and he's 618 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.960 he does. I mean, his name is Cholkovsky, and that 619 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.760 name is mentioned a hundred times. And I think that's 620 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.440 also part of why it stood out to me that 621 00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.840 this is maybe a film about not fitting in, is 622 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.239 because they just kept saying the name, and in most 623 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.039 other films you just don't hear the name a hundred times. Right. 624 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.880 But anyways, so one of them is about this character Cholkowsky, 625 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.320 and you don't know for sure if all the bad 626 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.440 things in the film are actually happening to him or 627 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.920 if it's more of an inward downward spiral. The other 628 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:45.639 thing that stood out to me is that, and I 629 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.559 don't know if you're gonna say, I'm a sick person, 630 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.079 but I found this movie to be quite funny actually 631 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:51.480 as well. 632 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:55.960 Oh no, it is, okay, it is extremely funny. I 633 00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.800 find it funny. I think it's it's like it was 634 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:03.039 marketed as a horror comedy in a way, like psychological 635 00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:05.840 thriller slash horror comedy in a way that there is 636 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.280 definitely some very humorous moments. I'm not saying like there 637 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.280 was a few moments where because this is the second 638 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.079 time I've seen this film. I've seen it before, but 639 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.000 obviously on this brand new release it was the second 640 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:20.199 time I've seen it. There it's not always like laugh 641 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:24.360 out loud, but it's very There are a couple of moments, 642 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:28.320 but there is just some very humorous goings on, which 643 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.360 I was like, that was funny. I'm not sure if 644 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:35.559 I should be laughing, but I am so Oh it's 645 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.440 dark humor, right, But yeah, for sure. 646 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.840 The person who runs the apartment that he's in, is 647 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.760 this like curmudgeonly or gay, And it's more it's I 648 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.440 almost view it more of like Terry gilliam style of humor, 649 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:51.320 where it's like there's humor in almost the anger sometimes 650 00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:55.119 and like yeah, yeah, the tension, it's just like they 651 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.519 put humor into it. But yeah, I think there's movie. 652 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.079 I mean, you know, we could do a whole It 653 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.000 would be very easy to do a whole episode just 654 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:06.920 on the tenet. I have a lot to say about it, 655 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:11.039 and I think it's even the way that it's interesting 656 00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:15.400 to see, you know, when I when there's a seat. 657 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.599 There's a moment in the film when Polanski is the 658 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.679 character of Chilkowsky, puts on starts putting on makeup, and 659 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.840 then starts putting on a wig and starts dressing as 660 00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:27.079 a woman, and I was like, Oh, I wonder where 661 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:29.960 they're going with this and where they went. I wouldn't 662 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:35.840 say it's necessarily like a trans pro transgender movie. I 663 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.760 don't think that's what they were trying to do with that. 664 00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:40.280 I don't like, I don't think that's why it's there 665 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:43.800 in the film as like an advocacy piece. 666 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.119 But no, I don't. I didn't read that from what 667 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:49.480 from watching it either. 668 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.440 No, it's it's it's just it's tied into the spiral, 669 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.159 and I don't necessarily want to I'm trying to avoid spoilers. 670 00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't go any further because you might 671 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.320 spoil something for someone who it's. 672 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.559 The spiral, right, Yes, but the way it's handled again, 673 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.639 it's it's just one of those things which I love 674 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:11.360 about so many art house films, and they it's if 675 00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.719 when you're in the hands of a masterful kind of filmmaker, 676 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.840 they can put stuff in a movie early on and 677 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.840 just say, like, trust me, you'll just watch the film, 678 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.840 you'll figure it out. Just just sit with me in this. 679 00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.800 I'm not going to over explain, right, You're not gonna 680 00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.559 get a lot of exposition. Just let the film play out. 681 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:33.559 It all a lot makes sense, I promise, mm hmm. And 682 00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:35.480 I think he does a very good job with that here. 683 00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.880 Yeah, it's not having faith in your audience and just 684 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.800 not holding their hand, which is a pet peeve of mine. 685 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:48.719 Way too much exposition is a big turn off. I 686 00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:50.679 don't mind a little bit here and there for when 687 00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.679 it's necessary, But if it's an exposition, if dialogue is 688 00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.280 exposition heavy, I immediately get turned off when I'm watching 689 00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:01.039 a film, no matter how good the visuals or the 690 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.639 story is, to be honest. So yeah, Polanski is very 691 00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:09.880 good at dealing with that. I'm not sure if you're 692 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:13.280 based on your feelings towards the director, which are warranted, 693 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:18.239 if you'll maybe vinegar Syndrome will put out. They probably 694 00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.599 won't because Criterion have those other ones, don't they, So 695 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.960 you're you're safe at least from a vinegar syndrome standpoint 696 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.639 for those the rest of the Apartment trilogy. But yeah, 697 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:30.519 it's uh. 698 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.599 I mean at some point I'll probably watch them films. Like, 699 00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:36.079 you know, there's so many things we don't even know 700 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.199 about other filmmakers, right, Like of course, it's not like 701 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.760 he's alone as being a scummy human and a rapist 702 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:48.480 in Hollywood, like I it's it's a tension, right Like. 703 00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:52.639 I will eventually get to other Polanski movies, especially after 704 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:56.159 seeing this and realizing why people like his movies so much. 705 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.760 Oh yeah, you need to see Chinatown. That might be 706 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:03.800 his best film. Jack Nicholson is incredible in it, and 707 00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:07.559 that it's like one of the best, in my opinion, 708 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.719 one of the best scripts for a film, like screenplays 709 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.960 for a film ever, Like it's so good as I'd 710 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:16.760 be interested to hear your thoughts on that personally, but 711 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:19.880 that's that's an aside. But yeah, you should. You should 712 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.400 give him a go at some point. But I understand 713 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.639 the trepidation with delving into such a problematic director's work. 714 00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:29.400 And the thing that just gets my good and then 715 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.679 we can move on, is that he was unrepentant. And 716 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:34.599 that's the thing that just kind of stuck with me 717 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.559 is he just ran and again this is this is 718 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.639 just my opinion. He ran like a cowrad didn't face 719 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:44.760 up to the crime, and for some reason it's still celebrated, 720 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.760 like I haven't been able to reconcile. I mean as 721 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:49.800 a human he's celebrated, like there's a petition going around 722 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.800 where people are just like saying bringing back or whatever. Right, 723 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.559 So I just I've never been able to reconcile those two. 724 00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.280 But anyways, as a filmmaker, which we're talking about today, 725 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.119 this movie is fantastic and honestly, like scene for scene, 726 00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:06.480 I don't think there's any fat like it's a it's 727 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.559 just everything needs to be in the film. Every character 728 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.400 is written to be unique and serves a purpose in 729 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.920 the film. When it does go into some light surrealism, 730 00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:20.599 I think it's well contained and it fits the story perfectly. 731 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.440 It's very easy to understand. Yeah, I just think this 732 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:28.519 is an incredible film, and I was stunned that they 733 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.599 got a new interview with Roman Polanski for this release. 734 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.000 I haven't watched that. I felt a bit weird about it. 735 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.760 I chose to listen to the commentary with Troy Howarth 736 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:45.840 and Nathaniel Thompson, which was really good, so I don't 737 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.320 I'd recommend listening to that one to any listeners who 738 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.599 have picked it up, because it's they were always pretty 739 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:56.079 pretty good guys to you know, accompany you through a viewing. 740 00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.119 I usually listen to like audio commentaries in the car 741 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.239 because I don't have a lot of time to sit 742 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.239 and watch films twice for the purpose of on audio commentary. 743 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.440 Another aside, I'm glad that some labels are potentially or 744 00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.880 will be putting audio commentaries available on other platforms for 745 00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.199 people to listen to so that they don't have to 746 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:22.400 sit and watch the film twice. I know that's I 747 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.119 know that's a thing. Some labels will be doing that 748 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:26.920 in the future, so I'm excited for that. 749 00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.519 But well, quick shout out to dev Crocodile, who's already. 750 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.920 Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. 751 00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.719 In fact, it's funny you mentioned that. I'm actively going 752 00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:40.800 through Kat Ellinger's commentary for DOCTA Space Mission for the 753 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.119 next time I travel. 754 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.960 Oh nice, cool, cool, Yeah, I've listened. I've listened to 755 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:46.280 that one. 756 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:46.559 Yeah. 757 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.920 I listened to that one in the car, so it 758 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:50.880 is a good one. She's always a good listen and 759 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:57.000 very informative. And I like the more generally, but the 760 00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.639 more academic type ones. I don't mind a fun one 761 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:03.440 or one that's more of a hangout. They Cat I 762 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:07.440 can be really good, but like I prefer the academic 763 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.199 type ones, and people like Catallenger and Sam Deagan stuff. 764 00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.880 They do really cool academic or audio commentaries. Anyway, moving 765 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.079 on absolutely. 766 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:21.800 Well, I have absolutely no idea how to segue between 767 00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:26.960 the Tenet and Vinegar syndrome title four eighty three, which 768 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:28.280 is Corpse Mania. 769 00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.599 Oh goodness, may I love this one. 770 00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:38.840 That's a fun movie. Holy girl. I think the thing 771 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.599 that jumps out to me right away is just atmosphere. 772 00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:45.559 I think they like, this is just I don't know 773 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.679 how they were able to do it, but it's like 774 00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:51.840 it has the atmosphere of like a noir mhm, with 775 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.639 the smoke and the dark alleys, and like it's just 776 00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.639 it's got this you know, the killers in hiding and 777 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:03.880 it's got this amazing atmosphere. But like what you see 778 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:05.840 on the screen, especially in the first half of the 779 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:10.480 film is a lot of really nasty, gnarly gross like 780 00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.719 worms and maggots, and it's like a lot of disgusting 781 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.920 corpse riting that kind of stuff. And then back half 782 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:22.159 of the movie it turns into something else entirely. It's 783 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:23.360 just like what's going on? 784 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.480 It does the genres do flip? I would say it's 785 00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.880 like a pastiche of different It's tonally all over the place, 786 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:33.320 like but like in an enjoyable way, because some things 787 00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.119 where it flips too much, it can be like whiplash 788 00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:39.519 and I don't enjoy it. But when it's done in 789 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:41.400 this way, I don't know what it is. It just 790 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.599 seemed to strike a chord of me. I was. I 791 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:50.400 was very into this one. Yeah, starts off disgusting, it's 792 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:56.519 about the film starts off about necrophilia, so and you're like, Okay, 793 00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:00.320 this guy likes doing it with dead bodies and that 794 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:05.920 their bodies are decomposing and it's revolting. It's so disgusting 795 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.280 and stomach churning. But then there are some like moments 796 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:11.119 of humor in the film, which a lot of Hong 797 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.480 Kong films incorporate into all of their genres, it seems, 798 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.000 and that can land or not. There's a lot of 799 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:21.280 like action films or sort of some of the well 800 00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.639 this is a Shaw Brothers feature precures film, isn't it so? 801 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.000 But there's some of the more martial arts orientated ones 802 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.199 where the humor doesn't necessarily land for me. But I 803 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.039 don't know if like the directors or the film studio 804 00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:34.920 are like, you know, every film has to have some 805 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.320 element of comedy in it, I don't know, to lighten 806 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.800 the mood or just to break things up. But yeah, 807 00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:44.440 this one, this one worked a lot more for me. 808 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.199 But yeah, this is this is a wild film, utterly wild. Yeah, 809 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.519 it's like almost like a shallow as well slasher slasher, 810 00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:57.039 shallow noir. I wouldn't say body horror, but just disgusting 811 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.880 body decomposing gooiness is just also incorporate into it, and 812 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.599 the mystery element's pretty cool. And I really like the reveal, 813 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.199 which obviously we won't say what's going on in the 814 00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:10.719 film as it's a spoiler, but I like the reveal. 815 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:14.199 I thought it was pretty good. I sort of sort of. 816 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.280 I didn't guess it because I'm not very good at 817 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.199 guessing like the who the killer might be and things 818 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:23.159 like that, which I like not knowing. I like being 819 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:26.599 oblivious because then I'm usually surprised, whereas a lot of 820 00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:28.320 people watching it, Oh, I saw the killer coming a 821 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.400 mile away, and I'm like, well, I didn't, And that 822 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.320 means I enjoyed it. Probably enjoyed the film more than 823 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:37.360 you did, because I'm usually more tapped into vibe and 824 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:41.280 tone and just enjoying just the craziness of what's happening 825 00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.199 then to be paying too much attention to the intricacies 826 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:50.320 of the plot sometimes. But yeah, yeah, I loved this one, 827 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.880 and I thought it looked great. The the set design 828 00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:57.400 it was very lavish for the type of you know, 829 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:02.079 the content is quite brow. I would say that's not 830 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:05.079 to disparage it, but like, what is happening in the 831 00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:10.280 story is like disgusting and repulsive, but like the way 832 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:12.280 it looks and he's set up and shot and stuff 833 00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:16.800 is it's very nice looking. Film looks very good on 834 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.760 the four K. So, yeah, what were your thoughts on it? 835 00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.679 No, I agree, I have. So you know this is 836 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.239 from the same director that made Boxer Zoemen. 837 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:29.519 Yes, yes, that's correct. 838 00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:35.239 Yeah, and he is a hugely influential director in Hong 839 00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:39.400 Kong cinema. There's another film he made called I'm just 840 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.119 trying to look it up. Drawing Hex I think, right 841 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:47.440 is the other big one and yeah, Hex, that's right 842 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.480 from nineteen eighty Killer Constable is another one that is 843 00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:56.079 when that people should watch. The guy's name is quite young. 844 00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.239 And the one thing I really like about this release 845 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:04.719 is his son, who is living in America now. They 846 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.239 actually got him on the film, and so you're hearing 847 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.599 from his son, who's able to give a lot of 848 00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.000 I think, a cool perspective of like the influence of 849 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.719 his dad and sort of where this movie fit and 850 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.440 like some background that you may not have had from 851 00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.320 other people. So it's nice to get that angle here 852 00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.199 for the release. And then Sam Degan does a commentary 853 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.480 which obviously is going to be extremely well researched and 854 00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:33.719 very interesting. And then one of my new favorite writers 855 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.880 and historians is Erica Schultz from the Unsung Horrors podcast. 856 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.880 She's just this incredible depth of knowledge and she gives 857 00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:44.760 a she writes the booklet of this. So anyways, there's 858 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.840 a ton of context around this film, and for anybody 859 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:51.440 who's interested in Cat three movies or some of the 860 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.920 more perverse like Shaw Brothers films, there's just this is 861 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.639 just like a perfect capsule of all of that. I think, 862 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:00.639 not only what's in the film, it's but then with 863 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:02.920 the special features, you just get a I think they 864 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:05.880 really immerse you in this world and talk about why 865 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.960 Quait Young is so influential in all these things. So 866 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:12.679 I love that about it the film itself. I mean 867 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:14.440 I don't know what to say, Like this is I 868 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.519 love this kind of stuff, right, Like this is like 869 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.679 I mean, this is like a like stick this around 870 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:21.679 end of my veins, right, I mean, it's. 871 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.199 It's exactly what we were talking about at the top 872 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.360 of the show, Like we both come from like an 873 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:32.360 art house sensibility, and we're we're now like going I 874 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.159 want you to mainline Corpse Maniu into my veins because 875 00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:36.800 this is the sort of stuff that I live for. 876 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.880 So I don't know how it's come to this, but 877 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.320 this is my back. This is very much the sort 878 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:47.119 of thing that I'm looking for when I'm trying to discover, 879 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:51.840 you know, new cinema. To me, I wouldn't say it's 880 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.440 like I wouldn't say it's a masterpiece or anything like that. 881 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:58.760 But there's so much about this film. It's enjoyable if 882 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.360 you're a little bit perves by Siey. 883 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.639 And you know, there's one thing too that I think 884 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.880 is true with a lot of Cat three films is 885 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.519 that when they when they have the scenes where the 886 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.039 so essentially there's there's like a few different women that 887 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:21.440 this guy Lee either bias to be, like like the 888 00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.440 first woman he buys to be his wife from a brothel, 889 00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:27.320 like she's dying, and so the people in the brothel 890 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.159 are happy to get rid of her right because it's 891 00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:31.719 like they don't know what to do with her. Yeah, 892 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:34.800 but he takes her home and makes her his wife, 893 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.480 and and then she just stays on with her after 894 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:47.079 the death. Uh, And it's after she dies and then 895 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:52.199 that starts to get like intimate with her. But the 896 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.079 scenes where first of all, there's like the scenes with 897 00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:59.639 the maggots and worms crawling over the body is certainly 898 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:03.199 grow but I don't think it ever goes over a 899 00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:06.320 line of where they just like force you to just 900 00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:07.920 like sit with it for too long. 901 00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:09.039 Yeah. 902 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:12.199 I do think it's meant to be more entertainment in 903 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.639 the sense of just like, oh, and then they like 904 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:15.599 cut away, you know. 905 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.199 Yeah, i'd say that's fair. 906 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:23.800 Yeah, I do appreciate that about it and the Yeah. 907 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:24.360 I mean, I don't know. 908 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.960 I don't know too much else to say. I just think, like, oh, 909 00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.400 I should mention Grady Hendrix does a really good video 910 00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:33.840 essay too. I always like his work. I just forgot 911 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.320 to mention that. But I don't really know what else 912 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.880 to say about the film without giving away spoilers and 913 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:42.400 these things I just love. I think you nailed it 914 00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:44.800 when what you just said. I think there's something about 915 00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.440 the discovery of new films where I'm on the search 916 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:51.719 for things like this because it doesn't tightly fit into 917 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.760 any structure that I've seen before, and it sort of 918 00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.000 keeps surprising you if you just stick with it, it 919 00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.599 kind of keeps surprising you. And I love it. 920 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:04.480 Yeah, completely, A great well said. 921 00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.280 This one has six thousand titles in the limited slip 922 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:10.639 cover and it's already sold about thirty five hundred. And 923 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.280 I should mention the Tenant, not surprisingly, is selling out 924 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.360 pretty fast. It has eight thousand units and looks like 925 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:26.000 it's about a thousand left already. It's selling pretty fast, again, 926 00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:29.760 not surprising. I don't know. I don't have anything else 927 00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.440 to say on Corpse Mania though, is there anything else? 928 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.159 I mean, this is one I highly highly recommend for 929 00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:39.920 anybody who's If you've seen Boxer's Omen and you liked it, 930 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.960 I mean, this doesn't feel like Boxer's Omen. 931 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.079 I wouldn't say I wouldn't even Yeah, knowing that it's 932 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.800 from the same director, it makes sense, but I wouldn't 933 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:55.880 say you would recognize that this is the same director 934 00:54:56.320 --> 00:55:00.599 per se. But yeah, if you enjoy the is the 935 00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:03.679 Weirder side of the Shore Brothers, or does any any 936 00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.599 weird Hong Kong films, or you have any interesting Category 937 00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:10.719 three then type films, then you should really check this 938 00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:17.039 one out. It's definitely a standout release from this year 939 00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:18.920 from Vinegar Syndrome in my opinion. 940 00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:35.320 Yeah, this isn't just a figment of your fantasy. 941 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:43.039 You know, I'm real, but still you see strange your 942 00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:44.960 lifetime change. 943 00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:47.519 Changed by miss. 944 00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:56.159 All right, So we are almost done with the mainline releases, 945 00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:59.239 and again there's three so far. There's going to be 946 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.559 three more, but there all within a box set. So 947 00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:05.400 I was it's a released forty four. It's Forgotten Jolly 948 00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.639 Volume seven, which I was stunned. There already up to seven? 949 00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:13.440 Crazy, right, I mean, I have you but yeah, I 950 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:14.440 would say, have you got them all? 951 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.280 Well, yeah, because I've been you know, I've been collecting 952 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.719 long enough to have them all. But like, I just 953 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:22.119 just I don't know. It's just weird to think if 954 00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.599 Vinegar Syndrome has seven of like anything, because they're you know, 955 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:28.440 part of what they do is offer so much variety. 956 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:33.000 But this is, uh, there's three films in this. I 957 00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:36.719 think it's probably makes sense to give a little something 958 00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.880 about each of them, just three, as opposed to talking 959 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:45.840 about it as a whole. It has five thousand boxes 960 00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:48.519 that were made and there's about a thousand left and 961 00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:50.760 this one does not have a standard. So if you're 962 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:55.840 a collector of the Jelly sets, this probably goes past 963 00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.639 Black Friday. If there's a thousand left, but it also 964 00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.199 might not. I don't. I don't know that it for 965 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:03.960 sure that it would go past Black Freddy. 966 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.360 They've forgotten the Forgotten Jallie set. Yeah, not to try 967 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.440 and cause fomo or anything here, but like they usually 968 00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:15.760 last a bit longer than other things. Maybe I don't 969 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:17.559 know if it's just do with the price or because 970 00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:21.000 although I don't agree that every film in these Forgotten 971 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:27.079 Jolly sets are forgotten, I have some not issues with 972 00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.599 that that's a bit extreme, but like I feel like, 973 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.679 if you know, shallow films, a couple of the films 974 00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:35.920 in the previous this box set for me was completely unknown. 975 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.159 But like previous box sets, there's been a couple of 976 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:41.719 films across them that I've been like that, that's not 977 00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:45.800 that could have really done with a standalone release. But yeah, 978 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:48.480 this this box set is one of my favorite Forgotten 979 00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:55.880 Jelly box sets for numerous reasons. Yeah. 980 00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.800 Actually it was about to say the same thing. I 981 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.639 think they nailed it with this one. We're going to 982 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:02.719 get into this in a second. I need you to 983 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:05.000 cover me. The only one I couldn't get to this 984 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.719 month because work travel got insane was Sweets from a stranger. 985 00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:10.199 So when we get to that, I'm gonna need you 986 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.800 to take the lead. But starting off with A because 987 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.519 they do it like it's for eighty four, and then A, 988 00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.119 B and C. Right, So starting off with A is 989 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:25.199 missed there, which had an more English name of Dagger Eyes. 990 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.280 And I think it's interesting to me because this film 991 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:34.599 really seems to be built around Carol Bouquet for Suel, 992 00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:38.840 who was two years previously had been in a Bond 993 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.119 movie For Your Eyes Only, she was a Bond girl, 994 00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.239 although I feel like they need to update the term 995 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:47.519 bond girl. I don't love that term. But anyways, she's 996 00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:50.880 a Bond girl for me. Although she's great and for 997 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.840 Your Eyes Only, she's most famous for being in Boon 998 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:59.440 Weell's Boonwell actor. Yeah, for sure. I'm just blanking on 999 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:03.039 the name of it. Do you is it? I just 1000 00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:05.039 saw this movie like a month ago. It's just completely 1001 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:13.119 slipping my name my mind. It's I'm almost there. Uh. 1002 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:17.079 That obscure object of desire, thank you, I was, I 1003 00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:22.239 was driving me crazy. The Obscure object of Desire is 1004 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:24.800 Boon Weell film. That is I think everybody should watch. 1005 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:30.280 It's on. It's just unbelievable movie looking into obsession, and 1006 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:33.800 I think it's it's it's kind of most famous for 1007 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:37.639 being a movie where Bonwell gets two separate women to 1008 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:41.400 play the same character. But it's not like an alternate 1009 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:44.599 reality thing. It's not like a there's no twist in 1010 00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:48.840 the story. He just intercuts the women in different scenes 1011 00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:52.079 depending on what's going on. And it's extremely jarring the 1012 00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:57.079 first time you watch it, but in typoco Bounwell fashion, 1013 00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:00.719 you every single time you watch it, you start to 1014 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:04.400 just kind of get into this groove of the film. 1015 01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:06.119 And if you let it just happen to you as 1016 01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:10.280 opposed to fighting that it makes no sense, it becomes 1017 01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:12.960 very powerful and you get to see how they're These 1018 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:16.199 actors are used based off of the emotion of the scene, 1019 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:18.320 and they're used to pull different things out of the 1020 01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:22.960 of the main character. So Obscure Object of Desire is 1021 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:28.000 an amazing movie. And Kara Bok is she has an 1022 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:31.679 interesting beauty to me because she's looking beauty. But I 1023 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:36.760 wouldn't say I wouldn't say she's like hot or like 1024 01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:40.639 she's not like somebody who's like what's the word for it. 1025 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:44.239 She's not like somebody who I think is easily approachable. 1026 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:48.360 She has almost this like timeless, like statuesque kind of 1027 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.320 I don't know beauty that like, Yeah, it's to me, 1028 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:57.159 she's like somebody who's could be in a museum in 1029 01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.719 a statue with very little effort. She just has this 1030 01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.199 sort of of different presence to him. 1031 01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:06.400 I agree with that. She's seems she has a she 1032 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.519 has a coldness about her that makes any sense. I 1033 01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.639 think that is that is explored in the special features 1034 01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:19.119 a little bit with some of the interviews. Yeah, she's 1035 01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:21.599 she's very beautiful, but it is a different kind of 1036 01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:25.679 beauty than what you might expect from other types of 1037 01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:36.000 film stars. Yeah, it's very aloof and very sort of 1038 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:38.000 like giving off the vibes of don't touch me or 1039 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:40.400 don't get don't come too close sort of thing. If 1040 01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:42.440 that makes any sense to anyone listening or to you. 1041 01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:46.320 It's it's a very odd thing to say and how 1042 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:52.320 to describe her, but she's she. Yeah, she's definitely interesting 1043 01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:54.880 to look at. What are your thoughts on this? 1044 01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.360 Well, Miss Air again, and you know, we're fumbling through 1045 01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:01.920 exactly how to put definition around it. But I think 1046 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.239 the reason that the beauty is worth calling out and 1047 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:07.719 this specific type of beauty that she has is worth 1048 01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:11.320 calling out is because it's very central to this The 1049 01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:15.840 way this movie shot this is my favorite one of 1050 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:19.599 the set overall. Again, I haven't seen k Sweets from 1051 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:23.920 a Stranger yet, but although I really like of session two, 1052 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:25.280 which we'll get to in just a second, but this 1053 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:27.960 is my favorite one for a variety of reasons, but 1054 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:32.360 I think mostly because the way that Miss Dara is 1055 01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:39.800 shot it. The whole movie feels like this kind of 1056 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:44.360 dream in a way, and I love the way that 1057 01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:47.400 they wove the story together. I think it's a very 1058 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:52.880 excellent script. I think it's fun to watch Gabriel Latin 1059 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:58.639 d John Steiner. It's like it's just they. I think 1060 01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:02.559 they do a good job of pulling a good cast. 1061 01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:09.760 As when you first meet Karl Book, you can tell 1062 01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:15.480 she's a high dollar like sex worker and call girl 1063 01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:18.039 who is just she has. She has a lot of 1064 01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:20.000 agency in this film. She has a lot of power, 1065 01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:25.119 and I think that her character is never written to 1066 01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:28.320 be I'm subjected to men like she seems like she's 1067 01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:29.280 always in control. 1068 01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:31.239 Yeah, for sure, I agree with that. 1069 01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:35.440 Yeah. And then there's an interesting element written in about 1070 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.840 where it almost feels like they're trying to call reference 1071 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:41.000 to Bond movies in a couple of different ways, which 1072 01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:44.159 we can maybe get into, but I think there's definitely 1073 01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:46.599 a tie into like bringing in a Bond girl. It 1074 01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:49.000 feels like they would have gotten directions like make it 1075 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:50.800 a little bit of an adventure or something like that, 1076 01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:55.119 but in some elements. But yeah, no, I like this 1077 01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:58.639 movie a lot. I think it's I'm surprised it's forgotten 1078 01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:00.800 in some ways, and I do hope gets more attention 1079 01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:01.639 because of the release. 1080 01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.920 Yeah, I really enjoyed this one. It was very It's 1081 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:12.400 a very atypical yallow. You know, the stylists, stylistic trappings 1082 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:18.119 of what most people would associate with the yallow us are. 1083 01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:21.440 They're there and they're not there, if that makes sense. 1084 01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:27.719 So it's we have, you know, a killer that their 1085 01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:33.639 identity is concealed, but the perspective of the story and 1086 01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:39.159 even though like most Shallows are very highly stylized, this 1087 01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:44.800 is very different. And yeah, I was fascinated by this 1088 01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:46.960 as I was watching it. It was good to see 1089 01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:52.239 Gabrielle Tinti in something other than a Black Emmanuel film 1090 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.199 for me personally, because I've i got that box that 1091 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:57.800 recently or not recently, and I've been working one way 1092 01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:00.000 slowly over it. But it was good to see him 1093 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.920 something different. He's been in a lot of Italian genre 1094 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:07.519 films and stuff. But yeah, that was great, And yeah, 1095 01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:15.199 I do feel that the the not to spoil anything 1096 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:17.960 or to jump too far, well I am jumping too far. 1097 01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.840 I'm jumping to the end. But I didn't like the ending, 1098 01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:26.840 and I know, I know it was requested from the 1099 01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:32.480 producers to add on this very shoehorned, like tacky ending 1100 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.800 onto the film, which does like affect my appreciation of 1101 01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:40.440 the film a bit. And that was sort of like 1102 01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:44.360 ties into the whole bond thing with like like a 1103 01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:47.360 pro like a prologue that has sort of like ties 1104 01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:49.519 things up and has a has a sort of maybe 1105 01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:52.800 a happy ending. As such, I didn't like that aspect 1106 01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:55.719 of the film too much. But from a visual standpoint, 1107 01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:59.559 an audio standpoint, and just just the vibe of the 1108 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.199 whole thing, I thought it was fantastic. And just the 1109 01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:05.239 context that's given from the special features and stuff. I 1110 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:09.039 was really impressed with some of the stuff that's on 1111 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:13.159 this disc. I really enjoyed the interview with the director 1112 01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:16.840 in Rico van Zena, so he worked very closely with 1113 01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:22.679 his brother, who's also who wrote the film. I think 1114 01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:25.119 I think it's the other way. I think all the 1115 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:27.000 other round. You're right, you're right, it's the other way. 1116 01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.800 So Carlo is the director, my apologies, and his brother, 1117 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:33.840 his brother wrote it, and there, to my understanding, they're 1118 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:39.039 very much they're very huge in Italy, like the household 1119 01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:42.800 names that hasn't translated over into other countries and stuff. 1120 01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:46.639 And to get this guy on the disc for an 1121 01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:51.519 interview apparently is pretty impressive. And it's good to see 1122 01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:57.599 the interview with Greg Snegoff, who is like a prolific 1123 01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.920 dubber for Italian genre films, and he's actually in the 1124 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:02.920 film playing it, has a very small part as one 1125 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:06.320 of the police officers or invest all the detectives or whatnot. 1126 01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:10.159 And here in his that's where you you understand what 1127 01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:13.159 sort of person Carol Bouquet was on set and stuff. 1128 01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:18.360 She was very cold and aloof and didn't socialize with people, 1129 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:22.679 and sort of like her character on screen, seems like 1130 01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:25.559 she was very much like that. And I'm not getting 1131 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.639 the vibe that she was like a method actor or 1132 01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:31.159 anything like that. So I think she was just translating 1133 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:37.079 into her character very well. And I don't suppose you 1134 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:39.440 had a chance to listen to the audio commentary either. 1135 01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:43.679 I listened to the first fifteen minutes. I like a 1136 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:46.760 really a huge fan of Eugenio orcl Annie mm hmm. 1137 01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:51.960 From a producer's standpoint, he's you know, the fact that 1138 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:55.920 they were able to get an interview with Enrico Vincina 1139 01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:59.119 is you know, I'm going to assume that's attributing that 1140 01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.679 to Oracle Annie because he's he's just such a master 1141 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:05.599 at what he does for these releases. And I love 1142 01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:08.639 there's people in every country that do a good job 1143 01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:11.159 of like setting the context for what was happening, Like 1144 01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:14.000 Frank Jang does it for a lot of Straw Brothers movies. Yeah, 1145 01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.239 And I think Kline's kind of like that to me 1146 01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:19.439 for Italy, where he just knows so much about the 1147 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:22.039 industry and he knows so much about the filmmakers and 1148 01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.840 you really go on a deep dive. I'm excited to 1149 01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:27.760 listen to this one. I only heard the beginning of it, 1150 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.439 but yeah, did you finish it? 1151 01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:31.319 Yeah? 1152 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.079 Yeah, I've listened to the commentaries for all of these 1153 01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:39.439 I'm just a nut for consuming special features and stuff 1154 01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:42.359 on releases, So yeah, I've listened to it. It's still 1155 01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:49.439 always good. Eugenio, Nathaniel and Troy they regularly collaborate on things, 1156 01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:53.399 have been recently for a number of years, and they 1157 01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:55.800 always seem to have a good back and forth and 1158 01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:02.000 well researched and well thought thoughtful input into into the 1159 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.640 film's history and production and everything like that. So that's 1160 01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:07.439 really worth your time to listen to if you if 1161 01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:08.880 you like the film, and even if you didn't like 1162 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:11.800 the film. I always think these sort of things give 1163 01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:16.000 more context and appreciation. But I like that one, and 1164 01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:18.520 you said the next one, unless you have any thought 1165 01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:22.560 more thoughts on that one, I thought Obsession, Yeah, Obsession, 1166 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:27.359 Obsession Accession A Taste for Fear was my favorite from 1167 01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:32.800 the set. I adored this one for a number of reasons. 1168 01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:37.079 I'll get into the film is again. I think this 1169 01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:41.479 is the the atypical shallow box set. You know, all 1170 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:42.800 the of the rest of the most of the other 1171 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.600 ones in previous editions or volumes of the of these 1172 01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:50.479 film forgotten jolly box sets they all have. They're all 1173 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.479 they're forgotten or sort of lost or forgotten about, as 1174 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.600 the title suggests, but there they are shallow films at 1175 01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:00.840 the heart, and they're very sterary typical of what the 1176 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:06.399 genre has to offer. Obsession is a completely different beast. 1177 01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:11.079 The whole yallow element is basically in the mystery, you know, 1178 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:14.840 that's just what it is as it translates, more or less, 1179 01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:22.239 and this one is basically like a ninety minute music video. 1180 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:27.640 And I absolutely bloody loved it. It is so entertaining. 1181 01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:32.600 It's very sleazy, and I don't mind saying that. I 1182 01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:37.840 quite enjoyed that element of the film, and it's just 1183 01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:47.039 very cool with its visually. It's shot in scope, I 1184 01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:49.399 want to say it's shot in scope. It's very beautiful 1185 01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:53.560 to look at, and it's widescreen and it has gel lighting, 1186 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:59.039 which is sort of associated with the jallow films can 1187 01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:02.039 be a lot of the time, especially like AGENTO and 1188 01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:07.119 things like that. But the soundtrack is very synth heavy, 1189 01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:11.000 and I love that it's quite queer as well. There's 1190 01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:15.000 a lot of celebration of you know, not just the 1191 01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:20.199 female body, but male and just various different like queer 1192 01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:22.680 things going on in the film, which I really appreciated. 1193 01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:27.560 And I thought that this is very atypical for the genre, 1194 01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:32.520 and I absolutely adored it. I don't I don't think 1195 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:36.239 it works completely, but there's a lot of films that 1196 01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:39.800 I don't think work that I absolutely adore than films 1197 01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:44.279 that I can't critique, but I like them less, if 1198 01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:48.199 that makes sense. But despite its flaws, I was absolutely 1199 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:53.000 enamored with this one. And yeah, this is this is 1200 01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:56.880 fantastic directed by I'm really bad at pronouncing things, but 1201 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:02.119 Raffanini is the surname, but Pete, I think that's how 1202 01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:07.640 you say it. Starring Yeah, it's got starring Virginia Hay, 1203 01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.960 who's probably best known from Mad Max in it, and 1204 01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.880 it's just I had a blast with this one. I 1205 01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:18.520 was smiling from ear to ear as it's very it's 1206 01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:21.600 like a there is a through point with the plot 1207 01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:25.399 and stuff, but it's very vignette. It's very elliptical in 1208 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:29.760 my opinion. So it's very very music video orientated, and 1209 01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:33.159 there's stuff in the special features that explores like the 1210 01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:38.079 influence on TV culture on the film industry, and that 1211 01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:41.520 is very apparent in this film. It's very all about 1212 01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:48.159 moments and just focusing in on very stylish there's a 1213 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.960 lot of sexuality in the film, and it's just a 1214 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:55.640 blastom start to finish. And I think there's some problems 1215 01:12:55.680 --> 01:13:00.600 with the reveal of the killer, which is not which 1216 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.000 is not atypical of some of the of what the 1217 01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:08.800 genre as to offer, which is just part of the 1218 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:12.760 time that it comes from, I guess. But yeah, you 1219 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:16.279 said that you preferred mystare, so like, what did you 1220 01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:19.039 enjoy about Obsession? On what made it? What made my 1221 01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:20.560 stair better for you? 1222 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.520 It's not to say that I didn't like, because for 1223 01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:29.199 the first maybe forty five minutes or so of Obsession, 1224 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:32.399 I was ready to write that like this is my 1225 01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:36.399 like the discovery of twenty twenty four for me, Wow, 1226 01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:39.920 Like it's just for all the reasons you mentioned. I 1227 01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:44.800 think the everything is so bright, Like the lighting is 1228 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:49.800 actually bright and strong use of color in the in 1229 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:53.439 the costumes and in the body paint, and in the 1230 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:58.039 way sexuality is explored, it's like not explored, like the 1231 01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:01.720 way they the way they show sexuality in this is 1232 01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:06.680 very like raw and passionate. But because they're taking pictures 1233 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:10.800 and not videos, it's like it's not pornographic, but it's 1234 01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:13.800 there's nudity throughout the whole thing, and I think it's 1235 01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:18.399 like a very like a celebration of the body, right, Yeah, 1236 01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:20.960 And I think there's some interesting choices, like the one 1237 01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:23.880 woman who has an obsession over the bodybuilder woman. It's 1238 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:26.279 like a different it's like a different body type than 1239 01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:29.760 you would typically see that obsession for, right, But it's 1240 01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:31.760 crazy for this woman and like you see it in 1241 01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:37.920 her eyes. And but then there's just like a there's 1242 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.479 like for the set for the shot. They got to 1243 01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:43.640 get the shot, and they need somebody for the shot, 1244 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:45.880 and so there's this constant like looking for the next 1245 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:50.399 beauty to put into the shot. But yeah, I just 1246 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:53.119 I think it's I think it's a stunning film. I 1247 01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:55.880 love it a lot. And I think as it gets 1248 01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:58.000 into the back half of the film, into like the 1249 01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:01.239 actual plot, which is sounds weird, but it kind of 1250 01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:03.960 lost me a little bit just in this I was like, 1251 01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:09.199 you know, I just want this to be It almost 1252 01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:11.680 felt like something Andy Warhol would make in the beginning 1253 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:17.640 or say it come from his factory. Yeah, and then 1254 01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:20.159 it sort of I don't know exactly what it became, 1255 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:25.479 but yeah, but I like the movie a lot. I 1256 01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:30.279 just think that mystaire for me, it was like a 1257 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:32.760 maybe like a little bit of a tighter story in 1258 01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:35.000 a way. I agree with you. I don't like the epilogue. 1259 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:38.159 I think it's kind of a like why even habit 1260 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:41.479 like it adds nothing other than makes her feel like 1261 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:44.119 kind of gives her some agency, And I guess it 1262 01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:48.279 comes like a strong, you know, action star, but I 1263 01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:52.439 don't know that the film needed that. But yeah, I 1264 01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:56.399 think these two in the same box. That to me 1265 01:15:56.600 --> 01:16:00.359 is wild because whatever I'm going to ask you about 1266 01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:04.680 Sweets from a Stranger next, but whatever is in Sweets 1267 01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.000 of the Stranger. This already medically jumps up to one 1268 01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:11.600 of my favorite boxes from Freneger Syndrome all together, but 1269 01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:14.760 especially best jelly Bugs. 1270 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.600 Yeah, so moving on to Sweets from a Stranger, this 1271 01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:26.800 one is probably the most grounded of the films. Definitely 1272 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:32.880 less stylish, i'd say, like definitely from these Mystair and Obsession. 1273 01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:40.600 It tells the story of sex workers that are being 1274 01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:46.239 picked off by a mysterious unknown person and how the 1275 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:49.000 sex workers all band together to try and protect each 1276 01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.399 other and try and find out who this person is, 1277 01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:55.600 who is you know, killing their sisters as such, And 1278 01:16:55.640 --> 01:17:01.359 it's a very so it's very There are exploitative elements 1279 01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:05.520 in this film, but the film is extremely sympathetic and 1280 01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:10.039 on the side of sex workers, which may not be 1281 01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:16.439 the case in other, like Italian genre films of this type. 1282 01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:21.439 So it's very you know, atypical in that in that instance. 1283 01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:28.000 And it's really interesting to see how the different types 1284 01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:32.279 of sex workers live their lives and how some of 1285 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:34.880 them like have families, and how they try and protect 1286 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.439 them from what they do to make ends meet basically, 1287 01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:44.239 and yeah, it's multiple different sort of sub stories are 1288 01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:48.720 included in this and we mainly follow this one character 1289 01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:52.159 who has moved I don't think it says exactly the location, 1290 01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:56.039 but she's moved away from her family home. And it 1291 01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.840 pretends that she's working as like a stewardess, which is 1292 01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:01.439 why she's away all the time, like an air air 1293 01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:05.079 stewardess or whatever, and she's actually you know, walking the 1294 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:09.800 streets and picking up you know, clients, shall we say, 1295 01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:16.920 And she gets embroiled in this in this ongoing sort 1296 01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:19.920 of search for this killer whilst trying to protect herself 1297 01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:23.159 and her newfound friends, and the way it gives you 1298 01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:26.279 like the red herrings and stuff of like who it 1299 01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:29.600 sort of indicates might be the killer is really well done. 1300 01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:35.720 The script is extremely tight, I found, and it's got 1301 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:39.680 the most I say, it's got the best script of 1302 01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:42.439 all three of the films, I'd say in terms of 1303 01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:48.399 like cohesiveness and you know, really caring for some of 1304 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:54.920 these characters and having sympathy and an ununderstanding of what 1305 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:57.880 some of these sex workers are going through and understanding 1306 01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:01.000 their viewpoint on what the one they do their work 1307 01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:05.000 and stuff, because they're not all like coerced into it 1308 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:07.720 via like a pimp or anything like that. They're all 1309 01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:11.039 like choosing to have this way of life, and it's 1310 01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:15.479 just a really interesting insight into that told through like 1311 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:18.880 a shallow film with exploitation elements in it. So it's 1312 01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:21.960 like a very not dichotomus, that's not the right word, 1313 01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:23.600 but it's a very like there's two ends of the 1314 01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.840 spectrum here where it's like trying to be it is 1315 01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:29.720 it's not trying. It is a successful social socio political 1316 01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:32.960 film with like a commentary on you know, the sex 1317 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:38.000 worker industry, but also it's using that in an entertaining 1318 01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:41.960 way by also having things like nudity and you know, 1319 01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:46.439 titillation along the way. So it's like it's an interesting 1320 01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:49.880 a dynamic there, and I think it's great. And the 1321 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:52.880 special features again, these are all sort of produced by 1322 01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:56.920 Eugenio and he has a commentary on here with Troy Howorth, 1323 01:19:57.279 --> 01:19:59.680 and that's really good. I listened to that one in 1324 01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:05.359 the car again. And then the director Franco Farini interview 1325 01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:08.119 is really good. It's quite short, it's thirteen minutes, but 1326 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:10.720 there's a lot packed into that thirteen minutes, I thought. 1327 01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:17.720 And then the composer. There's an interview with the composer 1328 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:26.399 Emberto Smaler. I apologize if I've butchered that, but that's 1329 01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:29.520 really good because the score in this film is quite 1330 01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:35.479 quite rousing. It's quite moving. I found in places, particularly 1331 01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:37.920 when some of the elements of the story like are 1332 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.880 uncovered towards you. It's quite a hard hitting film towards 1333 01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:46.039 the end, I thought, anyway, it's quite quite sad and melancholic. 1334 01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:50.279 But yeah, I employ you to watch this one. I'm 1335 01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:51.840 sure you will get around to it. You just said 1336 01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:55.560 you've been busy, but it's yeah. For me. This is 1337 01:20:56.760 --> 01:21:00.119 probably my favorite forgotten Jali box set that Vinegarson and 1338 01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:02.800 put out to date. The combination between the films. I mean, 1339 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:07.159 The Obsession will probably make my top ten discoveries of 1340 01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:10.319 the year for me personally, I was enamored with that 1341 01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:13.880 film definitely has a lot of rewatch, but I haven't 1342 01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:16.039 rewatched it yet. I've only watched it like last week. 1343 01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:18.840 But I can see this one being like in regular 1344 01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:23.800 rotation in my sort of Jalie watching you know future. 1345 01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:27.000 But yeah, the box set concluded with all the special 1346 01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:29.720 features and stuff is just such a great package and 1347 01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:34.039 hopefully more people these tend to sell, so it's not 1348 01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:37.359 like we're trying to, you know, convince people to get 1349 01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:39.479 these ones, but they tend to more often than not 1350 01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:42.199 get picked up in sales. I'd say, just from talking 1351 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:48.520 to people and experience in community, because these things aren't 1352 01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:51.239 always the cheapest thing. But I think it's very worth, 1353 01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:54.479 very much worth the worth the investment. And I love 1354 01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:59.359 the artwork as well on these releases. I forget the 1355 01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:04.000 guys named sam that's Robert Is it Robert samuelin that? 1356 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:06.920 Yeah? 1357 01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:09.239 Yeah, his art His art is so good. He's done 1358 01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:11.199 a load of like the slips and stuff, slip up 1359 01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:13.479 covers for Vinegar Syndrome, and I'm a big fan of 1360 01:22:13.520 --> 01:22:19.000 his style. And yeah, he definitely paints an appropriate picture 1361 01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:23.520 of what's going on in these films. And yeah, big 1362 01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:27.439 big fan of this box set. Yeah that's all I 1363 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:29.439 have to say about Sweets Sweets from a Stranger. I 1364 01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:31.359 hopefully that's sold it to you to maybe watch that 1365 01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:35.000 sooner rather than later. But it's a it's a good one. 1366 01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:38.359 It's also got really cool. I don't know if you've 1367 01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:43.520 seen Sallow at all, it's got there's a there's a 1368 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:49.119 really small but very great and very memorable performance from 1369 01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:54.039 Laura Betty. And she plays a sort of an aging 1370 01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:56.720 sex worker, shall we say. She's been around the block 1371 01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:59.920 many times, and she has a small scene in the film. 1372 01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:02.640 She is very very good and I was pleased to 1373 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:05.640 see her pop up in the film for for a 1374 01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:07.760 brief period. Yeah, she has a small scene in the film, 1375 01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:09.640 but it's very memorable when one of the one of 1376 01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:12.880 the best, one of the best scenes in the film. 1377 01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:14.960 So yeah, look out for that. You can't miss that. 1378 01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:19.399 She's very distinctive individual. So yeah, so there we go. 1379 01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:24.520 Huh. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think I feel the 1380 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:27.039 same way. This is probably if I if I was 1381 01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:29.760 gonna say, get any of the forgotten Jolly Box. That's 1382 01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:31.520 this is probably the one I would say to start with. 1383 01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:37.840 I just the movies are so unique Obsession and Dagger 1384 01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:41.079 Eyes or missed there. I just I don't know, I 1385 01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:44.520 just they're just really it's not you know, there's like 1386 01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:47.279 some films are forgotten for a reason, But I don't 1387 01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:49.640 think any of these films are forgotten for a reason. 1388 01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:53.279 Like I think it's this is truly like good finds 1389 01:23:53.319 --> 01:23:57.720 to good discoveries for them. Now for the next three 1390 01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:00.000 that we're gonna talk about, we can go somewhat quick 1391 01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:02.800 because if I remember you saying correctly, you've not seen 1392 01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:07.479 the two VSAs and the cinematograph release yet, right. 1393 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:10.119 No, No, I haven't got them. I mean, I mean, 1394 01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:15.159 I'm definitely interested in getting Shanks and mind Benders looked interesting, 1395 01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:17.760 but like you know, we all have budgets, so you're 1396 01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:21.399 gonna have to speedily sell me on these ones. 1397 01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:33.760 Scorning in the cafeteria was just another example of the 1398 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.439 total disrespect these children have for a. 1399 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:39.279 Twenty As I said in the last staff. 1400 01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:42.399 Meeting, Kingston High School has had the privilege to be 1401 01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:45.960 selected by the Behavior Modification Research Institute as a test 1402 01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:58.319 site for their latest achievement in adolescent psychology. 1403 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:05.279 So we have the VSA forty nine is Mind Benders, 1404 01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:10.880 which is an Australian I mean Australian a Canadian like 1405 01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:18.279 twice all right, it's not America, I don't know. Yeah, 1406 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:24.520 it's a Canadian teen comedy, teen sci fi comedy. So 1407 01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:28.479 I really think they were trying to take that one. 1408 01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:30.119 What's it called Weird Science. 1409 01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:33.079 Yeah, to me, it. 1410 01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:35.239 Really feels like a Weird Science kind of rip off 1411 01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:40.920 a little bit. But it's you know, very goofy high 1412 01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:46.800 school boys as like the leads, it's it's silly, it's 1413 01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:50.520 you know, they're even from the first scene, you can 1414 01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:52.600 tell this is not meant to be taken seriously in 1415 01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:55.439 the sense it's like a it's a horror comedy or 1416 01:25:55.479 --> 01:26:00.199 a sci fi comedy. And even the reveal of you know, 1417 01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:02.960 kind of what's going on and like where the killings 1418 01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:05.640 are coming from and all that is short, and then 1419 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:10.119 the movie is just kind of like resolves, So it's 1420 01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:13.880 not like this is not a deep one. This is 1421 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:19.359 a silly high school So if a movie that you 1422 01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:23.239 just throw on, if you're bor you know, if you 1423 01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:25.840 just want to watch, if you're a big fan of 1424 01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:28.760 maybe like the eighties teen DRAMs or comedies. 1425 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:31.479 I mean I do, I do like that genre. It 1426 01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:35.960 feels more like hangout et yeah type thing, as you said, 1427 01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:40.680 not if you're bored, but like it's put on, Like 1428 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:43.960 is this the sort of thing that's maybe appropriate to 1429 01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:48.119 watch with family? Like, l is it not quite that style? 1430 01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:52.039 Like because you could watch with with weird scientists, like 1431 01:26:52.039 --> 01:26:56.720 like early teenagers could watch that and it wouldn't be inappropriate, 1432 01:26:56.880 --> 01:26:58.760 Like what the on this one? Could you could you 1433 01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.399 watch this with like a not necessarily a young family, 1434 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:04.720 but like maybe sort of fairly grown up kids sort 1435 01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:05.000 of thing. 1436 01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:08.840 No, no, no, no, I think fair enough. No you totally no, 1437 01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:12.720 you could you could? Yeah? Yeah, I think you that's 1438 01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:15.239 a really interesting question. I think you nailed it. I 1439 01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:19.119 mean this is a it's not even really a John 1440 01:27:19.239 --> 01:27:21.399 Hughes type. I mean, this is just like a teen 1441 01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:24.600 sexy sci fi comedy but light on the sex. I mean, 1442 01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:30.439 it's it's just more. Yeah, I mean, it's just more. 1443 01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:35.800 I don't even know exactly where to put it. So 1444 01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:39.159 one interesting thing from like a filmmaker perspective is this 1445 01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:42.319 was a movie directed by Jeanie Joseph As a director, 1446 01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:47.000 she's probably most well known for spookies and this one 1447 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:49.039 will put her on the map a little bit. But 1448 01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:52.239 she had a long career as an adult actress, as 1449 01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:54.880 a porn actress before she got into kind of directing, 1450 01:27:54.960 --> 01:28:00.119 and so there's a there's a cool interview with her 1451 01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:03.560 on here talking about this movie. Yeah. I don't know. 1452 01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:06.600 I mean, I think it's one of those ones that's 1453 01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:08.680 a pretty clear black and white, Like you either like 1454 01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:13.439 teen sci fi comedies and this sounds interesting to you, 1455 01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:15.720 or it's just not gonna buy, Like this is a 1456 01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:17.199 pretty straightforward wind in my eyes. 1457 01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:20.399 Sure. 1458 01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:20.039 Uh. 1459 01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:23.840 The artworks very enticing. I love I love the slip 1460 01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:27.279 on this. Yeah, so you know it's it caught my 1461 01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:29.159 eye for definitely. 1462 01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:33.039 So it's a little bit of a well you know what. 1463 01:28:33.079 --> 01:28:34.880 I don't know how to say that without spoiling it, 1464 01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:38.920 so let me just say I wouldn't focus too much 1465 01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:45.319 on the sci fi part. It's in there. But if 1466 01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:49.319 you're a fan of teen comedies with like a twist, 1467 01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:52.119 small twist, I think this is right up your ally. 1468 01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:56.199 And it it's probably lesser known because it's Canadian, I'm guessing, 1469 01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:58.239 but it's a well made one, and it's it's very 1470 01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:01.840 easy to uh, this could stand the way it looks, 1471 01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:04.079 the way it shot, the writing, it could stand up 1472 01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:04.760 with any of them. 1473 01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:06.079 Awesome. 1474 01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:11.520 Yeah, Okay, now we're gonna go in a completely different direction. 1475 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:15.960 So dial D for Demons was one I wanted to 1476 01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:17.279 hate and I ended up liking. 1477 01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:19.720 Why did you want to hate it? 1478 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:22.760 So it's it was. It came out in the year 1479 01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:26.800 two thousand, and it's a very two thousand movie. 1480 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:29.199 And the way it looks okay in. 1481 01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:33.159 The sense of you know, there is that it was 1482 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:36.960 like digital was kind of taking over. It wasn't like 1483 01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:41.720 super high quality yet. And this is a movie about 1484 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:48.680 six teenagers or maybe no, not teenagers, six like young adults. 1485 01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:53.159 They go away on this trip and the house is 1486 01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:58.520 haunted and the horror starts right the scenes where it's 1487 01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:05.479 just the six friends. They're super obnoxious. It's almost like, 1488 01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:09.920 you know, like a Bad Friday the thirteenth movie or something, 1489 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:14.239 or just something where the way the characters interacting and 1490 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:19.600 she's like, oh my god, this is brutal, but I 1491 01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:24.800 will give them credit because this is a So there's 1492 01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:27.119 a pretty famous director who's behind this, a guy named 1493 01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:31.720 Billy Tang, probably most famous for Doctor Lamb. Yeah, so 1494 01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:36.159 the guy knows how to make people uncomfortable, and when 1495 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:43.560 the movie turns, he does a good job of keeping 1496 01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:48.920 the surprises up and also keeping the the mystery up. 1497 01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:51.479 Like there's some scenes in this movie in the back 1498 01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:55.680 half that if you told me Kyoshi Kurosawa directed it, 1499 01:30:55.760 --> 01:30:57.000 I wouldn't argue with you. 1500 01:30:57.840 --> 01:30:59.279 Okay, that's my price. 1501 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:04.159 Yeah, exactly, Like there's it's a good turn. I'm not 1502 01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:07.279 going to say it necessarily looks like a typical Kyoshi 1503 01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:12.039 Kursla movie because it is that low budget digital style 1504 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:15.760 of filmmaking from the early two thousands, but the way 1505 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:18.840 that he holds tension and uses music and the acting 1506 01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:24.720 and everything to like build this horror is very well done, 1507 01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:28.000 and I was surprised at how much I ended up 1508 01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:33.399 liking this, even though you just have to get past 1509 01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:37.680 the first fifteen minutes. There are some people that like 1510 01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:41.560 a lot of those types of horror movies. Almost you 1511 01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:43.760 see it more in slasher, I think, where it's like 1512 01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:46.159 a group of friends getting together and then something happens. 1513 01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:51.479 But this one is not a slasher. It's not I 1514 01:31:51.479 --> 01:31:55.199 don't think really at all. It's just it's more of 1515 01:31:55.279 --> 01:32:04.800 a it's probably closer to like Juan or you know, 1516 01:32:04.840 --> 01:32:10.800 the Grudge or the Ringu. It's almost more along those 1517 01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:20.119 lines than it is like a slasher. And the description 1518 01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:25.000 of the killer and like what's going on is is 1519 01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:28.239 well done. It's like a it's sweet, I mean not sweet, 1520 01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:31.960 but like it's well done and it's surprisingly it's disarming 1521 01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.359 in a way. It's not what you would expect. That's 1522 01:32:35.359 --> 01:32:36.960 why I said kind of sweet. This almost has like 1523 01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:39.600 a sweet spirit to it almost, which is but in 1524 01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:43.960 a good way. Yeah, so dial do you for Demons? 1525 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:47.439 I would say this one of the two new vsays 1526 01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:49.680 this month, This one is more in line with like 1527 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:53.520 what I enjoy mind Vendors for me is not one 1528 01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:56.319 that I would typically buy, but I mean I'll keep it. 1529 01:32:56.319 --> 01:33:01.640 It's it's not bad. I just I don't love those 1530 01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:03.479 teen sci fi comedies as much. 1531 01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:07.479 Yeah, one thing before we move on to the last release, 1532 01:33:07.800 --> 01:33:11.199 what did you manage to watch the video essay by 1533 01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:13.399 Sam Degan on the on the disk? Because that I 1534 01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:16.520 didn't realize she'd done that. That's usually a selling point 1535 01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:16.800 for me. 1536 01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:19.720 Yeah, I'm really glad you called that out. No, I 1537 01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:21.840 didn't get to the I was running out of time. 1538 01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:23.359 But when I was watching this, I didn't get to 1539 01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:27.479 the special features Undealathy for Humans, although I would love 1540 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:31.920 to hear Sam Deagan talk about Billy Tang because she's 1541 01:33:32.199 --> 01:33:36.319 very good at Cat three in general, and this was 1542 01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.560 a very very influential director, so I have to imagine 1543 01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:40.920 that video, I say, is fantastic. 1544 01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:42.880 Yeah, no doubt. 1545 01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:50.439 Malcolm Shanks here is no evil. He speaks no evil 1546 01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:56.159 because he's too busy making good people walk. If you're 1547 01:33:56.279 --> 01:34:01.039 nervous and you feel you people, Malcolm will show you 1548 01:34:01.079 --> 01:34:05.359 how to relax. The great artist Marcel Marceau plays Malcolm 1549 01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:08.960 Shanks and many other forms of life rated. 1550 01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:20.560 Peachy all right? So I would say I'm a fan 1551 01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:24.840 of cinematograph, and in that line, there are some movies 1552 01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:30.000 that are great, but I have found the movie within 1553 01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:33.039 cinematograph that now defines it for me. 1554 01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:38.359 Okay, tell me more So. 1555 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:44.800 The cinematograph release for this month is a William Castle movie. 1556 01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:54.119 It's called Shanks, and it blew my mind. So watching 1557 01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:56.920 this film is I should mention they're up to the tent. 1558 01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:00.079 So this is the tenth release in cinematograph and and 1559 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.760 I'm gonna be abrupt and do one more interjection and 1560 01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:06.279 say if just because people are thinking about the cell, 1561 01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:11.279 this has twenty four hundred copies left as of it's 1562 01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:14.960 I wouldn't say it's selling great initially, which is a shame. 1563 01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:18.239 And this is one that I'm gonna say, like of 1564 01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:21.640 all the ones we've talked about today, I would say 1565 01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:24.199 The Tenant and Corpse Mania are both like ones that 1566 01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:27.880 I would say or must have. And this is the third. 1567 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:30.600 Oh no, the Forgotten Jolly was really good too. Damn it. 1568 01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:32.720 They did a good They did a good job this 1569 01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:39.039 month in general. But okay, this movie feels like this 1570 01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:42.119 is gonna be a very specific movie. Did you ever 1571 01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:44.359 see Jack Demi's Donkey Skin? 1572 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:46.680 No, I've never seen that film. 1573 01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:53.479 It's okay, So that's a it's another fairy tale, and 1574 01:35:53.520 --> 01:36:01.199 then there's a this has it's This is a celebration 1575 01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:05.479 of first of all, Marcel Marceau, who for years was 1576 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:09.800 the world's most famous mime, and this was him. He 1577 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:12.479 did a few roles just a few years before he 1578 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:15.560 made this. He spoke for the first time on camera. 1579 01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:18.199 Oh no, oh no, it was after this he spoke 1580 01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:20.680 for the first time on camera, and when he spoke, 1581 01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:24.640 it was irony because mel Brooks got him to come 1582 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:27.359 into a silent movie. Mel Brooks made that movie called 1583 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:30.840 a silent movie. The whole thing was an actual silent 1584 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:33.000 film and the only person who spoke in it was 1585 01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:36.520 Marcel Marceau and you got to hear his voice say no, 1586 01:36:40.039 --> 01:36:42.479 just a little bit of playful irony. But this movie 1587 01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:47.119 stars Marcel as a character who does not speak, although 1588 01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:51.640 there is talkie talking in the film. There is music 1589 01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:54.800 in the film. It's not a totally silent film, but 1590 01:36:56.520 --> 01:37:02.000 he does not speak. He's a puppeteer and he finds 1591 01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:07.119 this device that allows him to take dead bodies and 1592 01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:12.159 move them around, almost like weekend at Bernie style. So 1593 01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:17.600 it's not that they're reanimated, they're just they're recently deceased, 1594 01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.439 so they don't stink yet they don't. They don't, they're 1595 01:37:20.439 --> 01:37:22.439 not Their face is still the same color, you know, 1596 01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:25.800 it hasn't started to get whiter or they've started to decompose. 1597 01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:30.119 And he's able to move them around and have them walk, 1598 01:37:30.199 --> 01:37:32.600 and like he goes shopping with them at one point, 1599 01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:35.279 pull stuff off the shelf, and he's able to do 1600 01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:44.039 all this control over them and then things turn a 1601 01:37:44.039 --> 01:37:46.960 little bit. You get to see the character kind of 1602 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:49.920 has a little bit too much fun realizing that he's 1603 01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:54.239 you know, can he now wants there to be dead 1604 01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:56.960 people because he can play with them or and have 1605 01:37:57.039 --> 01:38:00.680 friends now and like the world that he once right, 1606 01:38:02.399 --> 01:38:06.720 But yeah, it is just amazing, Like like this movie 1607 01:38:06.840 --> 01:38:11.600 is it's a celebration to I would say classic filmmaking 1608 01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:13.439 and that they have a lot of They have like 1609 01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:17.880 intertitles like a silent film would have, and it's a 1610 01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:22.359 celebration of puppetry, that kind of old style of entertainment, 1611 01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:28.520 like almost like a circus style entertainment. Right, he's set. 1612 01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:32.079 Marceau himself has this really it's he has like a 1613 01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:36.680 Geene Wilder style of like empathy and sweetness to him. 1614 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:40.520 So you know, Gene Wilder is this crazy guy, but 1615 01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:42.319 when you need him to be emotional, he can pull 1616 01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:44.880 it off, right, Yeah, yeah, sure, And I think Marceau 1617 01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:49.279 has a very similar energy to me. Uh there's a 1618 01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:55.319 weird relationship with a teenage girl, but it's never made bad. 1619 01:38:55.880 --> 01:38:58.720 It's maybe a little bit uncomfortable, but keeping in mind 1620 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:00.880 that this is a fairy tale that is more common 1621 01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:04.319 in fairy tales for an adult puppeteer to be making 1622 01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:07.520 birthday gifts for this young girl and like helping her 1623 01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:10.319 get ready for her birthday party and getting addressed for her, 1624 01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:13.279 and like things like that that in any other context 1625 01:39:13.319 --> 01:39:18.239 would be huge red flags. Because this is a fairy tale. 1626 01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:23.760 I think it's Yeah, I think they pull it off well. 1627 01:39:24.039 --> 01:39:30.399 That balance there, it's a very very delicate balance, but 1628 01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:34.000 I think they pull it off. This is a movie 1629 01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:35.439 that is weird to me. 1630 01:39:36.279 --> 01:39:45.399 In all the beautiful ways, and when it gets there's 1631 01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.079 moments that become very sad in it. 1632 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:52.840 And when it gets sad, I think it's also handled well. 1633 01:39:55.479 --> 01:40:01.560 And then it the final the sequence or like near 1634 01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:05.920 the end, there's a big sequence that changes color tone 1635 01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:13.600 for a moment, and yeah, I just think, like I 1636 01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:15.560 think that this is one of those movies that it 1637 01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:22.800 is a singular experience. There's characters that enter the film 1638 01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:26.000 late in the movie that have a big that are 1639 01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:28.319 new and then have a big influence on the outcome 1640 01:40:28.359 --> 01:40:31.279 of the film. So even from a writing perspective, it's 1641 01:40:31.319 --> 01:40:33.479 not like you don't get to build up with this world. 1642 01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:38.319 You know, it's it's it's all done very much by 1643 01:40:38.399 --> 01:40:40.880 somebody who just had like a very specific story to 1644 01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:45.439 tell and told it without regard to a lot of 1645 01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:52.439 filmmaking conventions. But yeah, it's just of all the finds 1646 01:40:52.439 --> 01:40:55.439 that Liberty is able to pull in with the cinematograph line, 1647 01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:58.399 this to me is just one of those movies that's 1648 01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:01.199 going to stick with me for a long time. And 1649 01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:05.319 I cannot wait to get into the Kim Newman commentary 1650 01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:07.800 on this because I would love to hear Kim Newman 1651 01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:08.880 talk about William Castle. 1652 01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:13.800 Oh yeah, I love Kim Kim Newman's commentaries and just 1653 01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:17.239 like his interviews and stuff on discs. So yeah, I'm 1654 01:41:17.239 --> 01:41:22.640 probably gonna pick this one up in like what eleven 1655 01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:25.880 days or so because the Black Friday so or yeah 1656 01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:27.439 Black Friday stuff, so so I know it won't be 1657 01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:30.880 on sale for then, but I'll just add it to 1658 01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:33.560 my basket and purchase this one for it for it's gone, 1659 01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:36.880 because I was interested in it. From what you've been 1660 01:41:36.920 --> 01:41:40.479 saying about it, it sounds like I must must get 1661 01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:44.239 disc So yeah, it's just it sounds fantastic. 1662 01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:46.279 They brought in a lot of the heavy hitters, so 1663 01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:51.000 there's essays by Heather Draine Alexander Nicholas Murray leader like 1664 01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:54.239 this is you know, they really brought in the heavy 1665 01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:58.359 hitters for this. Daniel Kremer has a good, good visual 1666 01:41:58.399 --> 01:42:01.079 essay that I can't wait to check out. So and 1667 01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:06.199 then there's you know, there's this thing in So you know, 1668 01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:12.000 Monsieur Roulo and like Jack Tutti, right, Yeah, that guy 1669 01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:15.399 Jack Tutti had this sadness in a lot of his 1670 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:18.920 films because he was sort of like mourning the world 1671 01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:23.159 changing faster than he wanted it to change. And I 1672 01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:26.640 think when you look at a lot of these classic performers, 1673 01:42:27.319 --> 01:42:29.119 one thing they all had in common was the sense 1674 01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:32.479 of like sadness in their eyes, right, And I think 1675 01:42:32.640 --> 01:42:34.920 sol mar So does it very well. He has a 1676 01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:40.680 deep sadness that is unique and I think it's just 1677 01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:44.000 is wonderful. And I think that when the movie needs 1678 01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:46.199 to go sad, it does it beautifully, and when it 1679 01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:48.640 needs to be light he also has a good smile. 1680 01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:50.840 And yeah, I just to me, this. 1681 01:42:50.840 --> 01:42:56.439 Is a muston, awesome, fantastic. Well, I know you sometimes 1682 01:42:56.479 --> 01:43:00.359 you usually talk about some of the partner label, but 1683 01:43:00.399 --> 01:43:02.520 I'm not sure I have time to talk about those today. 1684 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:07.079 So it's Okay, it was a good month for partner releases. 1685 01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:09.560 But you know, one other thing I'm gonna do is 1686 01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:11.960 in December is a partner only month. 1687 01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:13.560 Yeah, that's fantastic. 1688 01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:15.800 So I'll probably spend a little bit more time just 1689 01:43:15.880 --> 01:43:18.479 highlighting certain labels and talking about releases from the last 1690 01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:22.039 few months in those things, because it's getting a wieldy 1691 01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:24.239 in a in a good way. I love the. 1692 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:27.359 Partner yeah, for sure, I'm I'm Yeah, I pick up 1693 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:29.840 a fair amount of them, A big fan of like 1694 01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:33.319 Agfur and I've been really getting into sav stuff, so 1695 01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:40.720 I've got a lot of the Satin's Core stuff, interested 1696 01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:45.800 in just so much the Canaloge Bleeding Skull. I've been 1697 01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:47.600 a huge fan of the stuff that they've put out 1698 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:52.720 as like a budding label. So yeah, it's all it's 1699 01:43:52.720 --> 01:43:54.079 all very overwhelming though. 1700 01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:57.800 Yeah, I want to do Yeah, I really like Cunnie 1701 01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:00.000 as well. I think they find some really unique movies. 1702 01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:03.239 So yeah, I'm gonna spend some more time on that 1703 01:44:03.319 --> 01:44:10.119 in December. But now, look, uh love your perspective on film. 1704 01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:12.840 It seems like we're we're aligned at a lot and 1705 01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:14.800 what we like about movies and why we like them. 1706 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:15.800 So it's fun to talk to you. 1707 01:44:16.680 --> 01:44:18.560 Yeah, it's been. It's been great. It's been great. Thanks 1708 01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:21.479 for having me on the show. It's been it's been 1709 01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:22.680 a blast. Thank you so much. 1710 01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:30.239 Yeah, I really appreciate you coming on. Thank you Sam. Well, 1711 01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:32.520 that was awesome, Sam, Thank you so much for for 1712 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:36.119 doing that. That's cool. I love I love the passion 1713 01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:40.439 and it's great to sit down with a fellow recovering 1714 01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:44.640 snob as it were. Uh, let's see vinegar syndrome through 1715 01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:49.359 that lens. We have a treat. Celeste Lacabra is back, 1716 01:44:51.319 --> 01:44:54.720 so let's see. Let's see what's on the docket for 1717 01:44:54.800 --> 01:45:05.039 the adult titles this month. My name is Catherine Burgess. 1718 01:45:05.319 --> 01:45:07.600 I'm a Vogue model and star of the new X 1719 01:45:07.680 --> 01:45:11.359 rated thriller Through the looking Glass. As I'm talking to you, 1720 01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:15.760 I'm really dead. Through the looking Glass. 1721 01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:18.720 Penthouse calls it a work of art, while Playboy says 1722 01:45:18.760 --> 01:45:21.880 it's a landmark movie proving that hardcore can be handled 1723 01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:25.000 with class. Come through the looking Glass and experience this 1724 01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:29.199 year's most controversial motion picture. Through the looking Glass raated X. 1725 01:45:33.760 --> 01:45:36.279 Okay, good evening everyone. My name is Celeste la Cabra 1726 01:45:36.520 --> 01:45:40.840 and welcome back. It's fifteen Minutes with You, the segment 1727 01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:45.239 where I review all the new titles on the Melusine site, 1728 01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:49.399 So all the X rated adult and sexploitation films. Freaks 1729 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:53.600 and perverts rejoice as we are back yet again. This 1730 01:45:53.720 --> 01:45:57.279 time we're only discussing one release, but it is quite 1731 01:45:57.279 --> 01:45:59.960 the doozy, so I guess let's just get into it. 1732 01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:02.520 You know what, though, First, I'm just going to say 1733 01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:04.800 that I have decided on keeping that name because I 1734 01:46:04.840 --> 01:46:07.520 think it is appropriate and I think it gives me 1735 01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:11.199 a good barometer or a sort of time frame to 1736 01:46:11.239 --> 01:46:15.600 shoot for so that I keep my yapping to a reasonable. 1737 01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:17.359 Sort of limit. 1738 01:46:17.960 --> 01:46:22.159 Okay, So the only release we'll be talking about today 1739 01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:27.720 is Spine number three for the proper official Malusine line. 1740 01:46:28.640 --> 01:46:30.560 The name of the film is Through the Looking Glass. 1741 01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:35.039 It is directed by Jonas Middleton or Joseph as his 1742 01:46:35.039 --> 01:46:38.800 real name is. And first, let me just say some 1743 01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:41.319 things about the Malucine line in general, because I think 1744 01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:43.159 that they continue to knock it out of the park. 1745 01:46:43.239 --> 01:46:45.439 I have all three of them. I've watched all three 1746 01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:47.840 of them, the first one being the Tale of Tiffany 1747 01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:50.199 Lust and the second one being Blonde Ambition and then 1748 01:46:50.199 --> 01:46:53.600 the third one being this obviously, first of all, the packaging. 1749 01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:55.960 If you're a real packaging freak, like you've really got 1750 01:46:55.960 --> 01:46:59.880 to get on these for real, Like they are so 1751 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:03.800 fucking cool, like they're they're like a dive a chocolate 1752 01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:06.119 bars or something like they're so maybe that's not the 1753 01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:09.520 best point of comparison because that's not actually a particularly 1754 01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:12.800 boogie product or whatever, but they feel elaborate and sleek 1755 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:16.079 and beautiful and like Art Deco or something. You know, 1756 01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:20.039 it's got that like very beautiful, classy New York aesthetic 1757 01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:22.239 to the packaging, like they really did a good job 1758 01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:26.279 in creating something unique. I don't know how to describe 1759 01:47:26.319 --> 01:47:29.239 the shape in which the slip cases, but it's like 1760 01:47:29.319 --> 01:47:31.319 maybe like a ribbon or something. 1761 01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:33.560 I don't fucking know. It's like it's a top. 1762 01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:36.479 Loading slipcase and then you can just see it on 1763 01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:38.119 the website and then you can tell me that I 1764 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:41.039 don't know what I'm talking about, but it's almost like 1765 01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:43.359 like a bass relief or something like you pull the 1766 01:47:43.359 --> 01:47:47.439 top off, no pun intended, and then there's like alternate 1767 01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:50.119 artwork underneath of it, and it's like in a kind 1768 01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:52.600 of a like an arrow like a downfacing arrow shape, 1769 01:47:52.640 --> 01:47:54.720 I suppose, and then you pull the slipcover out, and 1770 01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:57.960 the slipcovers are completely custom made too, in that they 1771 01:47:58.039 --> 01:48:02.840 are sideloading slip instead of top loading. So the sort 1772 01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:06.279 of why access of the slowcover is the part that 1773 01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:09.880 is hollowed out or open or where you insert the 1774 01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:13.479 case itself, and then they come with booklets and art 1775 01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:17.239 cards and it's just a whole thing. Also the packaging itself. 1776 01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:21.920 The slipcases are like a very soft kind of matt 1777 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:24.880 finished to them. There's really nothing else like it, and 1778 01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:28.800 you know, VS continues to up their game and invent 1779 01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:32.000 new things in terms of packaging, but this might be 1780 01:48:32.039 --> 01:48:36.119 my favorite like packaging that I've seen. Really, it's just. 1781 01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:38.039 Gorgeous and it's a little bit of. 1782 01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:39.760 A pain when you have to pop the disc in 1783 01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:42.199 and out all the time. But in any case, the 1784 01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:44.520 line has been exclusively four K at least so far, 1785 01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:47.279 and all the transfers have been wonderful, and all the 1786 01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:50.279 films have been really good too, Like Taylor Tiffany Lust 1787 01:48:50.359 --> 01:48:54.079 is great, but Blonde Ambition Man is so fucking good. 1788 01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:56.760 So that's your quick mini review on that. But I 1789 01:48:56.760 --> 01:48:59.359 would say if you're trying to get into adult films. 1790 01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:02.439 I'm gonna recommend that, and I'm gonna recommend this, And 1791 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:05.039 it just kind of depends. You're the meme of the 1792 01:49:05.079 --> 01:49:06.920 guy at the Fork of the Road and you have 1793 01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:08.079 two paths in front of you. 1794 01:49:08.159 --> 01:49:09.800 Okay, here's to the left. 1795 01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:12.399 You have Blonde Ambition, which is gonna be if you're 1796 01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:15.520 gonna do like comedies and like lighthearted fair and maybe 1797 01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:18.720 like classic Hollywood screwball stuff, romantic comedies, that kind of thing. 1798 01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:21.039 If you're into that, you should get Blonde Ambition. You 1799 01:49:21.039 --> 01:49:24.520 should watch that. And if you're into sick, depraved, fucking 1800 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:30.039 bizarre horror art house, you should get Through the Looking Glass. Okay, 1801 01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:32.680 So gosh, there's so much to talk about with this. 1802 01:49:33.479 --> 01:49:35.920 I will say that the supplements on this are excellent 1803 01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:38.720 and you're gonna get your money's worth on this thing. Yeah, 1804 01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:41.880 there's an entire second feature length film. It is a 1805 01:49:42.520 --> 01:49:45.840 Middleton's first feature length film, and it's fucking awful. But 1806 01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:49.239 we'll get to that in due time. Let's first talk 1807 01:49:49.279 --> 01:49:54.079 about Through the Looking Glass. So it's essentially about a 1808 01:49:54.119 --> 01:49:59.479 woman who is haunted by the ghost or a demon 1809 01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:04.000 something like that. The visage of her recently deceased father. 1810 01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:10.520 How do I talk about this without any spoilers? I'm 1811 01:50:10.520 --> 01:50:12.760 not sure if talking about this would be a spoiler. 1812 01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:13.720 Let's just say that she. 1813 01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:16.079 Is tempted into. 1814 01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:19.760 A world of depravity beyond a mirror in her attic, 1815 01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:23.279 and so beyond that mirror there is just like fantastical 1816 01:50:23.319 --> 01:50:24.720 worlds of sexual depravity. 1817 01:50:24.880 --> 01:50:25.960 Let's just say that. 1818 01:50:26.840 --> 01:50:29.239 If you know what the ICU is, if you've been 1819 01:50:29.359 --> 01:50:31.560 a follower of my ventures and you're familiar with that, 1820 01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:34.359 this qualifies as does the other film. There's a theme 1821 01:50:34.399 --> 01:50:37.600 going on with this director. And look, I'm not judging 1822 01:50:37.680 --> 01:50:40.359 or anything, but like, come on, man, something going on there. 1823 01:50:40.399 --> 01:50:41.039 You know what I'm saying. 1824 01:50:41.399 --> 01:50:44.119 Anyway, the film is kind of a tough watch. It's 1825 01:50:44.159 --> 01:50:46.920 not particularly erotic, although there are sub scenes that are 1826 01:50:47.039 --> 01:50:50.600 fairly erotic and fairly sexy. I'm the lead actress is gorgeous. 1827 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:54.119 Jamie Gillis is in it as he always is, killing 1828 01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:57.680 it as he always does. What else is going on here? Gosh, 1829 01:50:57.680 --> 01:51:00.720 it's so much I don't know. A lot of the 1830 01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:05.039 promotional material talked about it as being like a sort 1831 01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:08.359 of landmark artistic achievement in terms of the erotic Space 1832 01:51:08.479 --> 01:51:11.119 or like the sex film Space, and I would agree 1833 01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:13.319 with that. I think Sam Degan said that it was 1834 01:51:13.359 --> 01:51:15.880 the best hardcore film ever made. Is certainly one of 1835 01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:19.119 my favorites that I've seen. Like, I wouldn't dispute that characterization. Oh, 1836 01:51:19.279 --> 01:51:22.279 it was compared to Fellini. That's for you, Chris, So 1837 01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:24.199 you should go ahead and get this too, host of 1838 01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:24.920 this podcast. 1839 01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:26.199 Yeah, I don't know. 1840 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:28.479 It's just there's really nothing quite like it, and it 1841 01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:32.560 is so bizarre and so disturbing and so depraved, and 1842 01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:35.600 there's also sexy parts in it. But like, you know, 1843 01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:39.199 he said explicitly that he made this to kind of 1844 01:51:40.760 --> 01:51:44.880 antagonize the type of audience member that would go see 1845 01:51:44.920 --> 01:51:46.760 something like this, and I think he succeeded because I 1846 01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:49.640 can't imagine anybody sitting down like wanting to jerk off 1847 01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:52.640 to this and feeling like they got their money's worth. Like, 1848 01:51:52.840 --> 01:51:54.640 I mean, sure, there's some parts. I mean maybe you 1849 01:51:54.680 --> 01:51:56.760 will if you're just you know what, back in the day, 1850 01:51:56.800 --> 01:51:58.399 you had to take what you could get, right, But like, 1851 01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:03.039 this is clearly more of an artistic achievement rather than 1852 01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:07.560 a sort of purient or erotic one. The context surrounding 1853 01:52:07.560 --> 01:52:09.600 the film is so interesting and there's so much to 1854 01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:11.720 get into. I'm like, I want to talk more about 1855 01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:14.239 the film itself, but I don't want to spoil it. 1856 01:52:14.319 --> 01:52:17.079 You know, like there's so much crazy shit that happens 1857 01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:21.159 here that it's best experience blind. I think, Oh, there 1858 01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:25.560 is like an endoscopic shot of sorts. There is an 1859 01:52:25.640 --> 01:52:31.359 extended health sequence at the end. There is just truly insane, 1860 01:52:32.239 --> 01:52:35.359 insane shit going on in here. And I don't know 1861 01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:37.439 if you can tell I'm gushing it bit. I really 1862 01:52:37.479 --> 01:52:39.520 loved it, but it's is not for everybody. There's going 1863 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:41.199 to be heavy trigger warnings and there's going. 1864 01:52:41.159 --> 01:52:42.960 To be heavy caveats. 1865 01:52:43.119 --> 01:52:45.279 I subjected one of my normy friends to this and 1866 01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:47.520 they were less than enthused about it. 1867 01:52:47.600 --> 01:52:48.920 So there's that. 1868 01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:52.399 Okay, let's just go into the supplements. 1869 01:52:52.439 --> 01:52:52.760 Okay. 1870 01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:55.960 So there's two audio commentary options. One is like a 1871 01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:57.079 new audio commentary. 1872 01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:57.399 Okay. 1873 01:52:57.399 --> 01:52:59.800 So Ashley Western, the REALTA Report is just all over this. 1874 01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:02.319 I'm kind of shocked that this is like the first 1875 01:53:02.319 --> 01:53:04.920 time that Finninger Syndrome and Ashley West and the rialto 1876 01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:07.760 Report have like collaborated, because it's like a perfect match, 1877 01:53:08.479 --> 01:53:09.880 and I think he's going to be doing a lot 1878 01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:11.880 of this stuff going forward, which makes a lot of 1879 01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:14.239 sense because, like, if you've listened to the Realso Report, 1880 01:53:14.279 --> 01:53:17.319 which you should if you haven't, it is like genuinely 1881 01:53:17.359 --> 01:53:22.279 a perfect podcast and like professional like documentary level journalism 1882 01:53:22.319 --> 01:53:25.720 and historian or historical analysis going on, and so it's 1883 01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:29.159 great to see him taking a very sort of active 1884 01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:32.600 approach with this stuff. But he does a new audio 1885 01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:35.439 commentary with the director, but also the episode that he 1886 01:53:35.479 --> 01:53:40.960 did with Jonas Middleton is another option for the audio track, 1887 01:53:41.039 --> 01:53:43.079 and since the podcast is only an hour long, it 1888 01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:45.319 does just kind of stop an hour into it in 1889 01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:47.399 the last thirty minutes are silent. I was kind of 1890 01:53:47.399 --> 01:53:49.760 wondering how they were going to do that, but that's 1891 01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:52.359 that option makes sense to me because the alternative is 1892 01:53:52.359 --> 01:53:55.319 just to create an hour long video file of something 1893 01:53:55.359 --> 01:53:58.640 of sorts, and that's taking up unnecessary space, So that. 1894 01:53:58.640 --> 01:53:59.239 Makes sense to me. 1895 01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:02.319 The podcast episode, it is available just on the regular 1896 01:54:02.319 --> 01:54:04.880 Reals to Report feed. I would recommend listening to that 1897 01:54:05.399 --> 01:54:07.720 even if you don't buy this release. It's a great episode. 1898 01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:09.880 You'll learn a lot and you know, maybe it'll get 1899 01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:11.960 you into the podcast if you never listened to it before. 1900 01:54:12.039 --> 01:54:14.560 But really, okay, so what I want to talk about. 1901 01:54:14.600 --> 01:54:16.560 I feel like I'm spoiling something here too, but this 1902 01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:19.319 is just so fascinating. It's not spoiling the film. But 1903 01:54:20.479 --> 01:54:25.520 the director was raised in a very conservative Baptist church 1904 01:54:25.840 --> 01:54:29.279 in New Orleans, I think, or Georgia, deep South shit, 1905 01:54:29.399 --> 01:54:32.840 you know. And that's not necessarily surprising in and of 1906 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:34.800 itself when you see the film. What's surprising is that 1907 01:54:34.840 --> 01:54:37.159 he maintained that faith through the making of all his 1908 01:54:37.239 --> 01:54:40.079 pornographic films and even to this day. And he kind 1909 01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:42.720 of says, look, I'm gonna be upfront with you, like 1910 01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:44.760 I justified this in my head at the time, like 1911 01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:47.079 I was doing this to get get a career going, 1912 01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:48.399 and this was kind of what I felt. 1913 01:54:48.199 --> 01:54:52.520 I had to do. I was, you know, I was. 1914 01:54:52.640 --> 01:54:55.239 I was putting in messages here to warn people away 1915 01:54:55.279 --> 01:54:58.000 from this lifestyle. But you know, I'm not sure that 1916 01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:00.760 I do this today because I think I was the problem. 1917 01:55:01.399 --> 01:55:04.199 There's even a disclaimer slash like warning at the end 1918 01:55:04.239 --> 01:55:06.159 of the booklet where he writes a message to the 1919 01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:08.079 reader and to the audience like, Hey, I made this 1920 01:55:08.119 --> 01:55:10.279 film to dissuade people from this lifestyle. I hope you 1921 01:55:10.319 --> 01:55:14.039 take that away from this. There's an interview with him 1922 01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:16.720 on this that Ashley West conducted apparently back in like 1923 01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:19.319 two thousand and six, but it looks very contemporary, probably 1924 01:55:19.319 --> 01:55:26.319 because Elijah Dreunner, editor, filmmaker, documentary and Extraordinaire over at 1925 01:55:26.439 --> 01:55:30.600 VS cut together the video for it, so it looks 1926 01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:33.199 pretty contemporary and pretty fresh. But in that one, he 1927 01:55:33.239 --> 01:55:37.680 gets into his kind of current sort of views, and 1928 01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:42.520 it's unfortunate, you know, like that fundamental is upbringing, definitely 1929 01:55:43.079 --> 01:55:46.279 latched a hooks in. They're good, and you know he's 1930 01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:48.680 kind of just has like dogshit politics. Now he's like 1931 01:55:48.720 --> 01:55:51.119 talking about how a woman's place is in the home 1932 01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:54.119 and like men are like weak willed and need a 1933 01:55:54.119 --> 01:55:56.399 woman to keep them in line, and like men just 1934 01:55:56.439 --> 01:55:58.479 want sex and as long as a woman can provide 1935 01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:01.479 sex and like a good meal, like she's a good wife. 1936 01:56:01.479 --> 01:56:04.840 It's just like, I don't know, you know, he can 1937 01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:06.840 play the part of like a like a like a 1938 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:09.920 conservative family man or whatever, like a traditional values type 1939 01:56:09.960 --> 01:56:13.680 of guy. But look, there are certain themes running through 1940 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:17.079 his work. I'm I'm pretty sure this dude's a freak 1941 01:56:17.199 --> 01:56:18.640 and is just kind of repressing it. 1942 01:56:18.640 --> 01:56:20.159 And I mean, you know what, do what you gotta do. 1943 01:56:20.199 --> 01:56:22.159 Apparently he has a wife and a kid and he's happy. 1944 01:56:22.720 --> 01:56:24.600 More powers to you. I guess what else. 1945 01:56:24.760 --> 01:56:28.680 Okay, So there's the there's the sequence at the end, 1946 01:56:28.720 --> 01:56:30.520 but without all the filters applied. It's just kind of 1947 01:56:30.520 --> 01:56:33.640 a raw scan to kind of show a point in comparison, 1948 01:56:33.640 --> 01:56:36.359 which is interesting. It's a quick locations featurette. There's a 1949 01:56:36.359 --> 01:56:39.600 theatrical trailer for both of the films included, and uh, 1950 01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:42.760 one of the things that I found intensely uncomfortable. The 1951 01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:45.439 trailer for Through the Looking Glass is pretty good. It 1952 01:56:45.479 --> 01:56:47.520 definitely sells the film. Like I was watching it and 1953 01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:50.039 I was like, I mean, if I had seen this 1954 01:56:50.119 --> 01:56:52.560 trailer back in the day, my fucking my ass would 1955 01:56:52.600 --> 01:56:54.479 be seated, you know what I'm saying, Like, this looks 1956 01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:56.479 dope as fuck. And then at the end it says 1957 01:56:57.119 --> 01:57:00.600 is this something like, uh, scenes shot with the fourteen 1958 01:57:00.640 --> 01:57:02.920 year old girl or something like. It says that explicitly, 1959 01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:05.600 and it's so gross. Okay, So there is a fourteen 1960 01:57:05.640 --> 01:57:07.199 year old girl in the movie. She's not in any 1961 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:10.520 of the explicit scenes, and she was actually sort of 1962 01:57:10.840 --> 01:57:14.600 cast or I guess put in contact with the director 1963 01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:16.840 by her mother, who wanted her to be in movies 1964 01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:22.000 and stuff, and they took great care apparently to like 1965 01:57:22.039 --> 01:57:24.399 make sure she wasn't around any X rated material or 1966 01:57:24.439 --> 01:57:26.399 anything like that. But she is in the movie, and 1967 01:57:26.479 --> 01:57:28.279 it is a little uncomfortable in and of itself. But 1968 01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:31.239 to then put that in the promotion promotional material is like, 1969 01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:35.079 pretty pretty gross. It's the implication is that you're gonna watch, 1970 01:57:35.319 --> 01:57:37.439 you know, child sex abuse in a movie, and that's 1971 01:57:37.600 --> 01:57:38.399 pretty fucked up. 1972 01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:43.199 But that's, you know, that's its own thing. 1973 01:57:43.239 --> 01:57:43.600 I guess. 1974 01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:46.520 Okay, Cherry Blossom from nineteen seventy two. This one is 1975 01:57:46.560 --> 01:57:48.520 not even on letterbox yet, but I'm going to add 1976 01:57:48.520 --> 01:57:50.479 it as soon as I finished recording. But it's his 1977 01:57:50.520 --> 01:57:53.359 first feature film. It's about a young girl who has 1978 01:57:53.399 --> 01:57:56.560 sex with her aunt and then a bunch of other people. 1979 01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:57.159 That's kind of it. 1980 01:57:57.199 --> 01:58:01.159 So more entries into the ICU. It's a consistent theme, 1981 01:58:01.279 --> 01:58:02.000 is all I'm saying. 1982 01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:05.880 I don't know what's going on there, but this movie's terrible. 1983 01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:08.800 It's fucking awful. It is excruciating. It is truly an 1984 01:58:08.880 --> 01:58:12.199 endurance test. One last thing I'll say about it, and 1985 01:58:12.199 --> 01:58:13.800 then I think I'm done with a segment. 1986 01:58:13.920 --> 01:58:15.239 Oh real quick. 1987 01:58:15.479 --> 01:58:18.199 There's a booklet in here with an essay from Ashley 1988 01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:20.079 West And actually, I think if you pick one thing 1989 01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:22.800 to engage with other than the podcast, which I think 1990 01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:24.840 you should listen to regardless, read this essay. 1991 01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:25.439 It's excellent. 1992 01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:27.800 He really consolidates all the information and all the other 1993 01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.840 sources into one place. The one thing I will note 1994 01:58:30.880 --> 01:58:34.119 is that I'm not sure who edited this booklet, but 1995 01:58:34.199 --> 01:58:36.800 it needed a second pass. There was some pretty egregious 1996 01:58:37.319 --> 01:58:40.279 typos and clearly like a few sentences didn't make sense, 1997 01:58:40.279 --> 01:58:42.880 and I'm pretty sure that they were just that there 1998 01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:44.319 were mistakes they needed to be corrected. 1999 01:58:45.199 --> 01:58:46.880 This is going to drive me crazy. 2000 01:58:46.560 --> 01:58:48.359 If somebody knows what I'm talking about and can help 2001 01:58:48.359 --> 01:58:51.520 me understand something. There's a sentence in there that has 2002 01:58:51.720 --> 01:58:54.960 just like it looks like he kind of mashed the 2003 01:58:55.000 --> 01:58:56.920 keyboard at the end, and I'm like, I was like 2004 01:58:56.960 --> 01:58:59.600 googling that word is if I'm missing something, and like, 2005 01:59:00.479 --> 01:59:03.359 I think it's just an egregious typo or something. I 2006 01:59:03.399 --> 01:59:06.560 don't know what's going on there. Maybe I'm just missing something. Anyway, 2007 01:59:06.560 --> 01:59:08.079 the essay is great. You should check it out. 2008 01:59:08.119 --> 01:59:09.159 Oh, Cherry Blossom. 2009 01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:11.159 One other thing that I'll complain about is that there's 2010 01:59:11.159 --> 01:59:14.119 no subtitles for Cherry Blossom. It's fine that Vineger Syndrome 2011 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:16.560 has stopped subtitling all their special features. It makes my 2012 01:59:16.680 --> 01:59:19.399 job harder, but I understand where they're coming from. But 2013 01:59:19.399 --> 01:59:21.119 if you're gonna do a feature film on there, you 2014 01:59:21.159 --> 01:59:24.479 should subtitle it. That's my little two cents there, Cherry Blossom. 2015 01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:27.720 You know, it's his first foray into filmmaking, into feature 2016 01:59:27.760 --> 01:59:30.279 filmmaking anyway. Apparently he did a short film that he 2017 01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:31.720 owns the rights to. I don't know why it's not 2018 01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:34.239 on here. His second feature is not on here either. 2019 01:59:34.279 --> 01:59:36.279 I'm guessing there's going to be a follow up release 2020 01:59:36.319 --> 01:59:38.520 with that in the shorts included. That would be great. 2021 01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:42.600 But Cherry Blossom, Okay, this fucking thing has the worst 2022 01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:45.439 dubbing I've ever seen in any film I've ever seen 2023 01:59:45.479 --> 01:59:47.359 in my life. Like it's not even close. They're not 2024 01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:52.119 even trying. They're not even attempting to try. There's they'll 2025 01:59:52.119 --> 01:59:56.319 be fully like somebody is eating pussy and has full 2026 01:59:56.319 --> 01:59:58.680 lines of dialogue, or like sucking dick and there's full 2027 01:59:58.720 --> 02:00:00.840 lines of dialogue, or make out with someone and there's 2028 02:00:00.880 --> 02:00:03.880 full lines of dialogue or it'll just be it'll be 2029 02:00:03.960 --> 02:00:06.720 right on those person's face and their their mouth is 2030 02:00:06.760 --> 02:00:10.039 clearly not moving at all, but there it is dialogue 2031 02:00:10.079 --> 02:00:12.439 running as if a fucking person is speaking. 2032 02:00:12.520 --> 02:00:13.119 That's annoying. 2033 02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:15.399 But what's even more egregious to me is that like 2034 02:00:16.000 --> 02:00:18.760 several times somebody will speak and the line that they're 2035 02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:21.800 speaking will come several seconds before or after. Is like, 2036 02:00:21.960 --> 02:00:23.279 just just match it. 2037 02:00:23.359 --> 02:00:24.520 You did the thing. It's fine. 2038 02:00:24.800 --> 02:00:27.560 Like they clearly they clearly did not have a script, 2039 02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:31.119 and they're like, fucking go hard, do whatever, fuck each other, 2040 02:00:31.399 --> 02:00:33.359 we'll figure it out and post. And then they just 2041 02:00:33.479 --> 02:00:35.239 I'm not even convinced there was a script for the 2042 02:00:35.279 --> 02:00:38.800 person in the dialogue booth, but whatever, they went off 2043 02:00:38.960 --> 02:00:42.640 did their thing. It's terrible. It's just like if you're 2044 02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:44.399 not gonna just like just don't just don't do it. 2045 02:00:44.439 --> 02:00:45.640 Just don't do it, just do it right, write the 2046 02:00:45.680 --> 02:00:47.479 script in the first place, or just don't have dialogue. 2047 02:00:47.479 --> 02:00:48.079 You don't need it. 2048 02:00:48.079 --> 02:00:51.359 It's fine, okay, because it's like mostly during the sex 2049 02:00:51.399 --> 02:00:53.840 scenes that they're just like talking on top of it, 2050 02:00:54.560 --> 02:00:56.720 and like you can maybe get away with like an 2051 02:00:56.720 --> 02:00:58.720 inner dialogue kind of thing, but that's clearly not what's 2052 02:00:58.720 --> 02:00:59.960 happening because they're communicating. 2053 02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:00.359 I don't know. 2054 02:01:00.399 --> 02:01:01.159 It really bothered me. 2055 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:02.520 One last thing I'll say about it, and then I 2056 02:01:02.520 --> 02:01:04.199 think I'm going to wrap up the segment for today. 2057 02:01:04.239 --> 02:01:05.960 You know, at some point when I was watching this, 2058 02:01:06.079 --> 02:01:08.079 I was I told my friend I was watching it with. 2059 02:01:08.119 --> 02:01:10.199 I was like, I feel like this is like the 2060 02:01:10.279 --> 02:01:13.399 closest thing we could get to if like aliens tried 2061 02:01:13.439 --> 02:01:15.199 to create a pornographic film. 2062 02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:17.840 Like it's so bizarre, it doesn't work. 2063 02:01:17.960 --> 02:01:21.359 It's like someone imitating what sexuality might look like. And 2064 02:01:21.359 --> 02:01:24.239 then I was like, you know what fundamentalist conservative Christian 2065 02:01:24.319 --> 02:01:26.439 is about the closest you can get to an alien 2066 02:01:26.479 --> 02:01:29.039 trying to make porn. So okay, I'll leave it at that. 2067 02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:32.640 The release is excellent, by it. Check it out. It's 2068 02:01:32.680 --> 02:01:36.520 an important film. I think it's a really transgressive, fascinating one, 2069 02:01:36.640 --> 02:01:39.039 especially given the context in which it was created. It 2070 02:01:39.079 --> 02:01:43.039 was funded by a church. That's fucking crazy, right, All 2071 02:01:43.079 --> 02:01:45.640 of his films were funded by like rich yuppies who 2072 02:01:45.640 --> 02:01:49.039 go to a church in New York. Crazy shit, different 2073 02:01:49.079 --> 02:01:51.239 world we're living, and let me tell you that's it 2074 02:01:51.279 --> 02:01:53.159 subscribe to my YouTube channel if you want more stuff 2075 02:01:53.159 --> 02:01:56.560 like this, support me on Patreon if you want. It 2076 02:01:56.600 --> 02:02:00.239 is appreciated. I'm gonna hand it back over to our boys, 2077 02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:06.079 and until then, remember that the wages of sin are 2078 02:02:06.920 --> 02:02:07.880 our fear and death. 2079 02:02:09.399 --> 02:02:10.119 Praise God. 2080 02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:15.399 Okay, well we did at y'all. Episode eight in the books. 2081 02:02:17.399 --> 02:02:21.840 Can't wait. On December first, or right around the first 2082 02:02:21.880 --> 02:02:25.039 of December, we'll have Heather drain on. She's going to 2083 02:02:25.119 --> 02:02:29.399 talk about a lot of different things, including a lot 2084 02:02:29.399 --> 02:02:33.119 of the releases she's on and whatever is on Partner 2085 02:02:33.199 --> 02:02:36.600 month that gets announced. So I can't wait. Right now. 2086 02:02:36.640 --> 02:02:38.640 We know there's twenty one titles coming out, so it's 2087 02:02:38.680 --> 02:02:42.439 going to be a busy, busy day and Heather's the best. 2088 02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:46.079 So I can't wait to get that episode recorded and 2089 02:02:46.279 --> 02:02:47.920 get it up to y'all within you know, the first 2090 02:02:48.039 --> 02:02:50.479 couple of days of the month. All right, Thanks, She'll 2091 02:02:50.680 --> 02:03:27.000 see you around. 2092 02:03:39.279 --> 02:03:42.119 Thank you for listening to hear more shows from the 2093 02:03:42.159 --> 02:03:45.960 Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network. 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