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<v Speaker 1>I should be hearing my voice. You should be hearing

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<v Speaker 1>my voice. You should be hearing my voice, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>right ear.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the teaser trailer for my upcoming documentary, Psychic Agent.

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<v Speaker 2>The Gate Program releasing soon in around two weeks on

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon Prime and Apple TV, so be on the lookout

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<v Speaker 2>for that. Welcome back to Raise by Giant's discussion. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>your host, writer Lee. Welcome any moderators and channel members

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<v Speaker 2>to get DVDs made of psycheg Indicate. Program tester for

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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of days. I think the arrival date

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<v Speaker 2>was June first, so then when the movie releases on streaming,

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't like Amazon or Apple TV, you'll have

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to get the physical copy, which is always good.

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<v Speaker 2>To have a physical copy of everything nowadays, so depending

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<v Speaker 2>on how it works out with this company, I'll also

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<v Speaker 2>look into getting DVDs made of JFKX and a clockwork

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<v Speaker 2>shining as well, So there's a lot to look forward

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<v Speaker 2>to coming out. I also ordered eleven by seventeen movie

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<v Speaker 2>posters made so I should arrive within the week. So

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<v Speaker 2>we got a lot going on looking forward to the release.

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<v Speaker 2>The trailer will drop the day the movie releases on streaming,

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<v Speaker 2>so be on the lookout for that. But today we

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<v Speaker 2>have with us. He is best known nationally as the

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<v Speaker 2>good guy with a gun who intervened in the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen Sutherland Springs, Texas church massacre. He is now a

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<v Speaker 2>prominent spokesman and grassroots and industry liaison for gun owners

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<v Speaker 2>of America, traveling the country to advocate for Second Amendment

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<v Speaker 2>rights and community's safety. Stephen Willie Ford, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really appreciate it. So when people call you

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<v Speaker 2>a hero for what you did at Sutherlands in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>and seventeen, how do you personally process that word? And

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<v Speaker 2>as the word has the words of meaning changed for

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<v Speaker 2>you since then.

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<v Speaker 1>I think hero is a real strong word. I did

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<v Speaker 1>what God asked me to do, and I truly believe

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<v Speaker 1>that God called me and asked me to handle it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had God. I guess what bullets away from

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<v Speaker 1>me at the time, I was trained for a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to shoot on a pistol team and used

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<v Speaker 1>to compete weekly and learned how to shoot well, and

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<v Speaker 1>even so much as one of our competitors was a

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<v Speaker 1>former Army ranger and a Santonial police officer. Three weeks straight,

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<v Speaker 1>he taught me how to shoot around body armor, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I was the perfect person at that time. And

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<v Speaker 1>I truly believe that God chose me for that moment

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<v Speaker 1>and train me ahead of time. So when you got

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<v Speaker 1>God on your side, it's you know, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to try to take credit for what he's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, putting on the spiritual armor and just running in

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<v Speaker 2>it is pretty heroic in and of itself. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that that's what a lot of people want to believe

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<v Speaker 2>that they would do in a situation like that, But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not for sure if every person would be able

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<v Speaker 2>to actually do that, if that situation ever arise, unless

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<v Speaker 2>they had a lot of training like you have. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>how far or was the church because this happened in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, and there's been a lot of events that's

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<v Speaker 2>happened since then. So maybe a little refresher for the

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<v Speaker 2>audience on kind of how this transpired.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you've talked about this a lot, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've written a book about this, and you've you know,

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<v Speaker 2>reiterated the story a lot. But how far was the

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<v Speaker 2>church from where you lived?

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<v Speaker 1>So from the front door of the church to the

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<v Speaker 1>front door of my house was about one hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was saying, my daughter made me aware of

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<v Speaker 1>the shootings. She could hear the sounds, and she came

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<v Speaker 1>into my bedroom where I was where I was relaxing,

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<v Speaker 1>and said that that might sound like gunfire. Well, my

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom was better insulated than the rest of the house,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it sounded like someone tapping on the window.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, come in the other part of the house.

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<v Speaker 1>It's louder there. And when I left my bedroom, I realized, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was gunfire. I didn't have shoes on. I was

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<v Speaker 1>in I guess condition white if you will. I was relaxed,

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<v Speaker 1>so I ran to my gun safe and I pulled

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<v Speaker 1>out an AR fifteen, and I grabbed a handful of

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<v Speaker 1>Demo and I ran out the door and I ran

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<v Speaker 1>across the street. And if you see this much fat

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<v Speaker 1>run and something desperate is going on, I don't run

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<v Speaker 1>for fun. Too old. And people say I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't put shoes on. I say, you're lucky I

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<v Speaker 1>had pants on because I knew each shot was aimed

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<v Speaker 1>at someone I cared about deeply and meant for someone,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't have time to put shoes on. He

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<v Speaker 1>ended up As I ran across the street, I yelled out,

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<v Speaker 1>and he heard me. And inside the church, he had

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<v Speaker 1>just shot Julie Workman through the breast and bounced one

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<v Speaker 1>off the concrete into her legs. She was hiding underneath

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<v Speaker 1>the pew and her son, Chris Workman, was in the

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<v Speaker 1>hiding underneath the pew in front of her, and he

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<v Speaker 1>shot through the pew and hit Chris in the back,

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<v Speaker 1>paralyzing him from the waist down. And they heard me

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<v Speaker 1>yell when I was running across the street. And I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that God called him out. I believe that God

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<v Speaker 1>called the demon out because when I yelled, he dropped

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<v Speaker 1>his rifle in the church and came out shooting at

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<v Speaker 1>me with a pistol. And I had no explanation why

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<v Speaker 1>he would have done that, but I do know that

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<v Speaker 1>demons have to comply when God calls them immediately, and

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that's what happened, is that God called out

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<v Speaker 1>through me and called the demon out, and he dropped

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<v Speaker 1>his rifle. He came out shooting in me with his pistol,

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<v Speaker 1>and I ran behind a Dodge pickup truck and he

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<v Speaker 1>hit the truck in front of me. He shattered the

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<v Speaker 1>windshield of the car behind me, and he hit the

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<v Speaker 1>house behind me. I was able to put one in

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<v Speaker 1>those stopped by the body armor he had on, and

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<v Speaker 1>he ran for his vehicle. When he turned to his side,

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<v Speaker 1>I put one between the plates and his side, and

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<v Speaker 1>I put one high in his legs. He got into

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<v Speaker 1>the vehicle and slammed the door. He put two shots

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<v Speaker 1>through the side window at me, and I busted one

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<v Speaker 1>across his forehead, right underneath the rim of the helmet.

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<v Speaker 1>He had on a ballistic bulletproof helmet. And he decided

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted out. He accelerated the car he turned the

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<v Speaker 1>corner and he was fleeing as fast as he could.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time I got in the middle of the street,

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<v Speaker 1>he was one hundred and twenty one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>yards away and fleeing. I put one through the back windshield.

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<v Speaker 1>The police say that shattered the windshield and it went

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<v Speaker 1>through the driver's side seat and it hit him right

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<v Speaker 1>at the left shoulder blade. He topped up the hill

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<v Speaker 1>and out of sight, and I flagged down a pickup

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<v Speaker 1>truck that was setting at a stop sign, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>chasting eleven point six miles And in the end, he

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<v Speaker 1>turned the pistol up underneath the helmet and pulled the

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<v Speaker 1>trigger and he killed himself. And I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>How far we were? How many yards away was the

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle when you shot the shot through the back windshield?

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<v Speaker 1>It was about one hundred and fifty yards and fleeing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good shot. Did you know that you

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<v Speaker 2>hit him when that happened, or was that after the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no clue. But I do know that the

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<v Speaker 1>AR fifteen that I built, I built it for competition,

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<v Speaker 1>and I used to compete with it, and I knew

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<v Speaker 1>it was dead on and I knew. I kept pulling

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<v Speaker 1>the trigger and he kept moving. And the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>I can say is he was running on absolute adrenaline

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<v Speaker 1>and there was no physical signs that I had hit him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know my gun, and it turned out I

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<v Speaker 1>hit him all six rounds out of six I fired,

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<v Speaker 1>and he hit the truck in front of me, shattered

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<v Speaker 1>the windshield of the car that was behind me, hit

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<v Speaker 1>the house behind me. I did run behind a Dodge

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<v Speaker 1>pickup truck. I had no armor. I was barefoot. For

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<v Speaker 1>goodness sakes. That's not cowardice, is just good sense. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't run from the gun fire, but I did run

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<v Speaker 1>behind a pickup truck.

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<v Speaker 2>Did any motives ever come out about the shooter and

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that he did it? You know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of articles, you know online, try and say that it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't politically motivated or religiously motivated. But not religiously motivated,

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<v Speaker 2>does it make a lot of sense to me at all,

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you're going to shoot up a church kind

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<v Speaker 2>of means that you have problems with religion right on

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<v Speaker 2>a certain level, on the premise of just doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>you would think that you would have a problem with religion,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to be a very deranged, mentally unstable

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<v Speaker 2>individual to do anything like that, just from the very beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>just from the jump, regardless if it's at a church

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<v Speaker 2>or at a school, or really murdering or killing any

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<v Speaker 2>innocent person is deranged in my mind right, and some

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<v Speaker 2>would even say demonic in nature. So what was the

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<v Speaker 2>reasoning and the mode of it behind this individual?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so a little background about him, and I never

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<v Speaker 1>used his name, because first off, I don't want his

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<v Speaker 1>hear that. But a little bit about his background. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in the Air Force prior, and they put him

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<v Speaker 1>in prison because he disassembled his infant son's puppy alive

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<v Speaker 1>quit crying. And why would the boy quit crying after

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<v Speaker 1>that after seeing his puppy done that way? And so

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<v Speaker 1>then he beat his infant son until he fractured his

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<v Speaker 1>skull and put him in a coma. So the Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force put him in prison for a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he got out of prison, they brought him

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<v Speaker 1>before board to get him out of the Air Force.

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<v Speaker 1>And he walked in before the board members and said

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go get my gun and I'm gonna kill

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<v Speaker 1>every one of you, so terroristic threats. They put him

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<v Speaker 1>in a mental institution, and he escaped from the mental

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<v Speaker 1>institution and they gave him a less than honorable discharge.

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<v Speaker 1>And the week before he came into the church, he

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<v Speaker 1>was at their fall festival and he was using profanity

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff and yelling and screaming that he hated Christians,

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<v Speaker 1>and they trespassed him and told him to leap. He left,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, I'll be back. His mother and father

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<v Speaker 1>in law and brother in law went to that church,

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<v Speaker 1>and his wife's grandmother also went to that church. His

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<v Speaker 1>not there that morning, but he did kill his wife's grandmother.

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<v Speaker 1>So and he handcuffed his wife to the bed with

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like a very deranged an individual. Did he

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<v Speaker 2>always live there? Was he born and raised there? Did

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<v Speaker 2>you know him previously to this?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I did not. His wife was from Sutherland Springs,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was from a neighboring community about forty miles away, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So his wife lived there in the town.

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<v Speaker 1>His wife was raised in Southern Springs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they lived together. So he had moved here,

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<v Speaker 2>moved into your town.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he moved he moved into San Marcus and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>which was where his parents lived. Okay, so he lived

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<v Speaker 1>in the same town that his parents lived, where he

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever think that the media inadvertently is breeding

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<v Speaker 2>more shooters by covering certain stories and making a national

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<v Speaker 2>news while others are kind of you know, brushed under

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<v Speaker 2>the rug. I mean, uh, I'm sure you're aware that

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<v Speaker 2>a large majority of school shootings. Now know, schools are

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<v Speaker 2>different than churches. But most school shootings are committed by

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<v Speaker 2>the kids themselves. It's kids bringing guns to school, firing them,

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<v Speaker 2>shooting them at other kids or other teachers, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>we don't really get reports on that. It's only when

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<v Speaker 2>adults come into the picture, into the school, which they

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<v Speaker 2>normally don't have any connection to the school whatsoever. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are the ones that kind of get the most coverage

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<v Speaker 2>because they are the most deadly ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And most of them the kids are out of school

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<v Speaker 1>and they go back to the school. That's not true,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Not true at all. No, A lot of them are

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<v Speaker 2>kids that actually go to the school that bring a

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<v Speaker 2>gun to the school and firing. Now I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that they always shoot someone in every single instance, but

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<v Speaker 2>firing a gun at school or hitting someone or shooting

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<v Speaker 2>someone is mostly done by the kid that actually attends

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<v Speaker 2>that school. There's a percentage of them that is very

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<v Speaker 2>very very very high.

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<v Speaker 1>There is there is there is a percentage of them

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<v Speaker 1>that do that. And again, just like Evaldi, though he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go to that school anymore, and he went back

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<v Speaker 1>to it, the Tennessee one where the transgender she went

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<v Speaker 1>into that school. She never she never attended that school, however,

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<v Speaker 1>he he he, she, I don't know what to and

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<v Speaker 1>that went to that school specifically because went to another

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<v Speaker 1>school first and saw that there were armed security at

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<v Speaker 1>the other school, and then went to actually the Christian

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<v Speaker 1>school because it knew that there were no armed security there.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of these are decided, you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>the fact how much resistance they're going to get. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's obviously it's time to get rid of gun free

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<v Speaker 1>zones altogether. And here in Texas we have the school

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall program and the school Guardian programs. Both of those

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<v Speaker 1>programs allow teachers and faculty to eat to be trained

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<v Speaker 1>to carry a gun to prevent this kind of thing

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<v Speaker 1>from happening in their schools has to be approved by

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<v Speaker 1>the school boards. And you know, there has not been

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<v Speaker 1>one incident of a school that takes part in either

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<v Speaker 1>the Guardian program or the School Marshall program that have

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<v Speaker 1>ever been attacked before. You know, we need to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of gun free zones. Please go to gun owners

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<v Speaker 1>dot org and sign up. We fight for our rights

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<v Speaker 1>and to take our rights back. And if you're picking

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<v Speaker 1>up junior from the school, you shouldn't be forced to

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<v Speaker 1>leave your gun at the house when you pick him

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<v Speaker 1>up Hillmer or her up from school. And the teachers

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to defend their classrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely agree with that. Do you pay attention to

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<v Speaker 2>more incidents like this because of your involvement in the

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<v Speaker 2>Sutherland Church.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's really strange because I don't know why. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was a competitive shooter, I was a farms instructor,

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<v Speaker 1>I taught. I taught self defense classes before this ever started,

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<v Speaker 1>before it happened in Southerland Springs, I was teaching self

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<v Speaker 1>defense classes and I don't know why, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess God wires some of us differently. And every

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<v Speaker 1>time I would hear about one of these incidents and

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<v Speaker 1>it affected me, you know. And I had in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>the Las Vegas shooting had just happened, just before Sutherland Springs,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was discussing it with people that I worked with,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and one of them was going to a

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<v Speaker 1>concert outdoor concert in Austin after what happened in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>He was asking me, and I said, you can't let

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<v Speaker 1>these things stop you from enjoying life. However, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>things that you can do. You know. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to lead the same exit that you entered into, and

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<v Speaker 1>if something like this happens, get out as fast. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>try to find the exit that you entered into. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>heads up and watch things all around you and be

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<v Speaker 1>aware of what's going on and be ready to react.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had just told him about all that after

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<v Speaker 1>the Vegas shooting and then Sutherland Springs happened, and why

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I guess trained for that kind of thing. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe in coincidences. I believe that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>plan everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you looked more into that Vegas shooting. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of really weird and strange anomalies, Like there were

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<v Speaker 2>people reporting shootings like gunfire and stuff like all over

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<v Speaker 2>that Vegas area. It wasn't just happening at the concert.

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<v Speaker 2>There were calls from people ten blocks away and hotels

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<v Speaker 2>that believed the shooting was happening there. There's been a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of investigation in on that. And actually spoke with

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<v Speaker 2>a lady that was involved in that, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>actually shot in the stomach by the shooter. And she reports,

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<v Speaker 2>now I don't know how true this is, but she

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<v Speaker 2>reports that when she was shot in the stomach, she

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<v Speaker 2>literally witnessed the bully shoot back out of her. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a legitimate victim of the shooting. She was really there.

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<v Speaker 2>All that's verified. But she saw it go in her

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<v Speaker 2>and then shoot back out of her. And then whenever

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<v Speaker 2>the police showed up and all that was going on there,

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<v Speaker 2>she had said that the police had told her at

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<v Speaker 2>that time right now, you know, later on it was

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<v Speaker 2>said that there was just you know, the one guy

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, offed himself up in the hotel room.

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<v Speaker 2>But whenever that happened, she went to the police, and

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<v Speaker 2>the police said that they were aware of multiple shooters

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<v Speaker 2>at that time, so, well, I don't really know the

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<v Speaker 2>truth there. It's a very convoluted and wild story there

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<v Speaker 2>in Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when something like this happens, there's rumors of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff that happened. You know, people were saying

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<v Speaker 1>there were multiple shooters in Sutherland Springs. There wasn't. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just one man. So right after, directly after it happens,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of misinformation out there, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>you try to set back and wait until all the

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<v Speaker 1>facts come out. After the Uvalde shooting, I did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of radio shows and podcasts and stuff because they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know my take, and I was always, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's wait and let all the facts come out before

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<v Speaker 1>we just you know, there's a lot of rumors and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff going on now, and it's best just to step

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<v Speaker 1>back and wait till the facts come out before you

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<v Speaker 1>start talking about it. I want it very badly to

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<v Speaker 1>defend the police department and Uvalde right after the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>I always take the side of the police when I can,

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<v Speaker 1>But as facts work their way out, it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>it was an absolute failure on the value police department well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't always just jump to that conclusion right away,

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<v Speaker 1>because police, for the most part are men and women

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<v Speaker 1>that would put their lives on the line for you

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't need to know who you are. But

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<v Speaker 1>there are times when they fail to act correctly, and

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<v Speaker 1>Uvalde was one of those times.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think it was or was uh the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest misunderstanding about what happened at Sutherland.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there there was just all kinds of speculation in

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<v Speaker 1>Sutherland Springs, you know, and you know it just it

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<v Speaker 1>was just one guy, and and you know, until everything

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<v Speaker 1>came out and settled down, people were trying to make it.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw so many false reports on TV and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>even before my name came out. I actually after the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting was done and I had to stay at the

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<v Speaker 1>crash scene for four and a half hours before law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement would let me go home. They did let me

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<v Speaker 1>go home that night, and when I got home and

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<v Speaker 1>I turned on the television, they were saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>guy had a shootout with the police and the police

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<v Speaker 1>shot it. I guess. The first report was is that

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<v Speaker 1>he had to shoot out with police and he committed suicide,

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<v Speaker 1>is what they said. And then the next report said

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<v Speaker 1>that it had to shoot out with the police, and

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<v Speaker 1>the police shotting and then finally and I was okay

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<v Speaker 1>with that. I didn't care if anybody knew who I

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<v Speaker 1>was at all. I was okay if the police wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to take credit for I didn't care. I just was

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<v Speaker 1>in total shock. But later on that night they interviewed Johnny,

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<v Speaker 1>and Johnny was the guy that drove the truck that

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<v Speaker 1>I flattened down, and they interviewed him, and Johnny didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know my name. And that's when the report came out

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<v Speaker 1>that a neighbor was the one that engaged a shooter

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<v Speaker 1>and took the shooter out, and they didn't know my name.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was thought, well, you know, maybe maybe it'll

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<v Speaker 1>go away and know no one will know who I am.

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<v Speaker 1>And that didn't happen. They figured out who I was

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<v Speaker 1>and the next by the next morning, when I turned

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<v Speaker 1>on television, they had a picture of me on the

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<v Speaker 1>television and it's a fifty five year old retired plumber,

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<v Speaker 1>Steven Woollaford. I was like, man, they knew what I

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<v Speaker 1>did for a living, knew that I was retired, knew

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<v Speaker 1>that everything, you know. I couldn't believe that they got

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<v Speaker 1>all that information. Nowadays, it's the age of information and

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<v Speaker 1>anything you can find out about anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a big reason why people don't trust

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<v Speaker 2>the mainstream media anymore. Right, they don't know any more

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<v Speaker 2>than what the regular average person knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, they get.

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<v Speaker 2>The reporting wrong just as easily as anybody else stuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and the reporting was horribly wrong, horribly wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is really just insanity, because if they can get

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<v Speaker 2>this story wrong so quickly, so fast, then how many

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<v Speaker 2>other stories have they gotten wrong? And the problem is

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<v Speaker 2>with that is that normally the first reporting is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the thing that sticks the most in people's mind, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>whenever they hear the first report, that they might not

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<v Speaker 2>hear the second one. They might not hear the third one, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So then they're misinformed about that event because they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>hear the other ones. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I even heard rumors that he had taken hostages

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and that was none of that was true.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't want hostages. He wanted to right, Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, whenever you chased him in the vehicle, what was

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<v Speaker 2>the gentleman's name that you got in.

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<v Speaker 1>The truck with, Johnny Langendorf Landorf?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, whenever you got in the vehicle with him and

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<v Speaker 2>started chasing him, and you got to that standoff situation.

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<v Speaker 2>How long was it until the police arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>By their on admission, five to seven minutes. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like seemed like an eternity because I got out,

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<v Speaker 1>he crashed. They said he turned the pistol up under

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<v Speaker 1>the his helmet and shot himself. But I Hittinghi between

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<v Speaker 1>the plates in the side, and I hit him high

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<v Speaker 1>in the legs and a busted went across his forehead.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he was dying as it was. And I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hear the shot when he committed suicide. They said

423
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>he committed suicide, so I didn't know, and I was

424
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>standing there holding my rifle. He crashed through a fence

425
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.519
<v Speaker 1>and ran out in the field about fifty yards and stopped,

426
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 1>and Johnny brought a struck up behind me where he

427
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.119
<v Speaker 1>ran off the road. And so I was standing behind

428
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the hood of Johnny's truck for another five to seven

429
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>minutes before law enforcement showed up. So it took them

430
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.079
<v Speaker 1>five to seven minutes before they got there.

431
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>And how did they know where you and Johnny were

432
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 2>in where the perpetrator.

433
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Was, because as when I got in the truck with Johnny,

434
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>he was already on the phone with nine one one,

435
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:11.599
<v Speaker 1>and they put him straight through the dispatch because we

436
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>had eyes on the murder. And that was really good

437
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>because they already knew I wasn't a bad guy, and

438
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that, you know. And when they finally

439
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 1>got there, they were about fifty yards from us, and

440
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 1>he hit the microphone and called out on him, PA system, driver,

441
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.839
<v Speaker 1>get out of the vehicle with your hands up. And

442
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I turned and looked up the road to my left

443
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and I saw him there, and he keeped the mic again.

444
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>He said it again, driver, get out of the vehicles

445
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.599
<v Speaker 1>with your hands up. And I wanted to make sure

446
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 1>there were no mistakes, so I laid my rifle on

447
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 1>top of the hood of Johnny's truck, and I came

448
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 1>back to the back of the truck with my hands

449
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 1>up and started walking slowly back to the back of

450
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:03.839
<v Speaker 1>the truck. And he looked at me and he made

451
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.079
<v Speaker 1>eye contact, keeped the mic and he said, not you.

452
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 1>So he knew who I was. He knew that I

453
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:21.759
<v Speaker 1>had shot the shooter, and that chased him there so

454
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement AI knew where we were a little bit

455
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>about what happened, and Johnny witnessed from the moment he

456
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.559
<v Speaker 1>came out of the church and starts shooting at me,

457
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 1>and Johnny witnessed me return firing and shooting at him,

458
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 1>him getting in the vehicle and speeding off. And again

459
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I plied Johnny down and I tapped on his window

460
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.559
<v Speaker 1>and said, that guy shot up the Baptist church and

461
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>we have to stop him. And honestly, any sane America

462
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.119
<v Speaker 1>and would have just drove off and left me there

463
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>at the stop sign. But this is Texas we're talking about.

464
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>We're not necessarily known for sanity. Next thing I heard

465
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>with the locks open up, and I crawled up in

466
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.319
<v Speaker 1>the cab with him and we chased.

467
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Now, how long were from the time that the police

468
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:32.839
<v Speaker 2>arrived at the standoff where the crash happened. Wasn't it

469
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 2>until he shot himself?

470
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:41.599
<v Speaker 1>When they say he shot himself wall And that's why

471
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I ran off the road, so before they ever got there.

472
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.839
<v Speaker 1>But I didn't hear a shot. He ran off the road,

473
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 1>ran through the fence, and again Johnny stopped the vehicle

474
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.799
<v Speaker 1>and I got out and I put my rifle over

475
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the out of the vehicle once again. But they believe

476
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 1>he shot himself while we were chasing.

477
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Does that line up with what you saw? Did you

478
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>see any movement? Did you see any movement in the

479
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Speaker 2>truck whenever you had the rifle on him.

480
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I could not see through the where he was. He

481
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 1>was parked at an angle. The back glass was shattered.

482
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's got the bucket seats he was in

483
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and uh but and and he was kind of at

484
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>a slight angle away from me. But I couldn't see

485
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>into the driver side window. It was a Ford uh

486
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Ford escape and I couldn't see into it. And I

487
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see any movement. I didn't know. And I was

488
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>yelling get out of the get out of the car,

489
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Get out of the car, Get out of the car,

490
00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:00.079
<v Speaker 1>and some rude obscenities with that, And I hope I

491
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>don't forgive me for the language that I used, but

492
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I was a little bit angry. I'd never been shot

493
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>at before.

494
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.280
<v Speaker 2>So you didn't see any movement. They said that he

495
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 2>shot himself while he was fleean while he was being

496
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>chased by you guys, and that's why he crashed the vehicle.

497
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 2>So when the police showed up, they told him to

498
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.039
<v Speaker 2>get out of the car, to get out of the vehicle.

499
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>He didn't get out of the vehicle. So did they

500
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 2>approach the vehicle and open the door and find out

501
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>that he had shot him?

502
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.039
<v Speaker 1>So I was fifty yards away from them, and I

503
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what was going on, and I sit there

504
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 1>for forty five minutes waiting for them to approach the vehicle,

505
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.519
<v Speaker 1>thinking they would at least come relieve me or whatever.

506
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 1>And finally I decided to run back to the police line,

507
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.079
<v Speaker 1>and they started yelling no, no, no, no, wait there,

508
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>We'll bring up a police cruiser. They brought up a

509
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>police car so I could get down beside it and

510
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.639
<v Speaker 1>walk back to the police line. And then I found

511
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>out later what happened. They didn't want to approach the

512
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 1>vehicle because they didn't know whether he was live or

513
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 1>dead or anything. And one of the police officers had

514
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 1>two weeks prior to that, had gotten a drone for

515
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.199
<v Speaker 1>his birthday with a camera, and he thought, I want

516
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.320
<v Speaker 1>to run the house and get the drone, and they

517
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:33.639
<v Speaker 1>let him go to get the drone to bring a

518
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.719
<v Speaker 1>drone back so they could fly the drone over to

519
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the vehicle and look inside the vehicle without risking an officer,

520
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.199
<v Speaker 1>which was just good sense. They flew a drone over

521
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>there and looked and figured out that he had he

522
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 1>had killed himself before they approached the car.

523
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense, that would be the smart thing to do,

524
00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>because I was just curious if because if you couldn't

525
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 2>see that he was dead, then how could they see

526
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.119
<v Speaker 2>that he was dead? And how would they approach the

527
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 2>vehicle not knowing if he's dead or alive? Right, that

528
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.159
<v Speaker 2>would be a dangerous situation approaching the vehicle knowing that

529
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 2>the shooter is inside of the vehicle, and you know,

530
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 2>you just wouldn't want to approach her, right that for

531
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>your safety? Right?

532
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? Absolutely? I applaud. I didn't know what was going

533
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 1>on at the time, and I was thinking of waiting

534
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 1>for him to bleed to death. Why aren't they going

535
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>up there? And you know what are they waiting for? Well,

536
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.559
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know the full story, and they were waiting

537
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.880
<v Speaker 1>for a drone so that they could fly it over

538
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.559
<v Speaker 1>risk a drone other than a man, you know, And

539
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>that's just good sense.

540
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.440
<v Speaker 2>And how long did that last? Well, I mean to

541
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>go get a drone to fly the drone like forty

542
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:02.119
<v Speaker 2>five minutes to an hour.

543
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was there standing at Johnny's truck anywhere from

544
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:11.239
<v Speaker 1>thirty to forty five minutes before I ran back to

545
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:17.679
<v Speaker 1>the to the police line, and shortly after they flew

546
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the d and I wasn't even focused on what was

547
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.519
<v Speaker 1>going on down there, but they flew the drone. Over

548
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.119
<v Speaker 1>All I was worried about at that time. I could

549
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:29.679
<v Speaker 1>look up the road and about two hundred yards up

550
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.639
<v Speaker 1>the road, fire department had set up a roadblock, and

551
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:38.599
<v Speaker 1>I could see my wife's car down there, and there's

552
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>no one in this world I wanted to speak to

553
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:45.119
<v Speaker 1>more than my wife. I've been married now for almost

554
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>thirty eight years, and that was nine years ago. But

555
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, I really didn't care what the rest of

556
00:38:54.360 --> 00:39:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the world thought. I wanted to speak to my Wifeus

557
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.559
<v Speaker 1>was that. And a police officer walked by and I said,

558
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>excuse me, can I call my wife? And he said, yeah, sure,

559
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, I said, and he kept walking. I said, no,

560
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a phone. He said, you don't have

561
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:18.360
<v Speaker 1>a phone. I said, I don't have my shoes.

562
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 2>The phone is the.

563
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Thing I was concerned with. I needed my rifle I

564
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't need my phone. I didn't need my shoes, and

565
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 1>so he walked back and he gave me his phone

566
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>and I called my wife and there was a moment,

567
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I needed something from my wife. And she

568
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.760
<v Speaker 1>answered the phone and I said, I said, Pam, I'm

569
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay. She said, I could see you were walking

570
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>around down there, so I know you're not injured. But

571
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>are you really okay? And I said, I think I

572
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I killed a man. And she said, you did what

573
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you had to do, and I said, but it doesn't

574
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 1>make it hurt less. And she replied, you did what

575
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:22.079
<v Speaker 1>you had to do, and I'm proud of you. That's

576
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 1>what I needed from her. Really didn't care what anyone

577
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:31.320
<v Speaker 1>else thought. I cared what my wife thought, and that

578
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 1>was it. And when she said I'm proud of you,

579
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I knew I was going to get through it. Even

580
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.920
<v Speaker 1>if I had to go to jail that day, I

581
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>was going to get through it. And I honestly thought

582
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 1>that I would go to jail, and I figured that

583
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.719
<v Speaker 1>they would look at all the evidence and I would

584
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.599
<v Speaker 1>be exonerated. I would be free again. But I thought

585
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 1>I was going to jail. Turned out I never did

586
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>go to jail at all.

587
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.679
<v Speaker 2>An incredible thing that you did, you know, and your

588
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.880
<v Speaker 2>wife telling you that is just a confirmation because you

589
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 2>obviously didn't know that you weren't the one that had

590
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.400
<v Speaker 2>delivered that final blow to him, that it was himself.

591
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.039
<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure that your mind was just completely all

592
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 2>over the place, like all of the different possibilities that

593
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.719
<v Speaker 2>could potentially come up out of this.

594
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just have no idea. And and it was.

595
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 1>It was right after the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman

596
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>case too, And what happened is they didn't arrest George Zimmerman,

597
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and Trayvon Martin died and there was a big thing

598
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.880
<v Speaker 1>about that you should have arrested him and then figured

599
00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:02.480
<v Speaker 1>out whether he was in innocent or guilty later. And

600
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.039
<v Speaker 1>so there was that fresh on my mind, thinking that

601
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:16.920
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna arrest me and they didn't, And I'm glad

602
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:22.119
<v Speaker 1>of that. It's Texas and we have a different attitude

603
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 1>about those that will defend themselves and others, and that's great.

604
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:33.159
<v Speaker 1>I used an AR fifteen and some states that would

605
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>have been horrible. You know, there were all kinds of

606
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:46.760
<v Speaker 1>reasons that you know, other states might have looked down

607
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:47.559
<v Speaker 1>on what I did.

608
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, California, Holy crap, California, you would already have been arrested.

609
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.760
<v Speaker 2>They just passed that law where someone can break in

610
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>your home and a few shoot them, then you're liable

611
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 2>for it. Insanity. California is insanity.

612
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Well in California and a lot of states, that last

613
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>shot that I took is he was fleeing. I took

614
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>through the back windshield. A lot of states that would

615
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>have said he was fleeing, you were no longer in danger.

616
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.400
<v Speaker 1>That shot was illegal. However, in the state of Texas,

617
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:32.280
<v Speaker 1>he was still a danger to someone. He still had guns,

618
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.440
<v Speaker 1>he still was leaving, and I had no idea what

619
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of condition he was in. He was still a

620
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.320
<v Speaker 1>danger if absolutely nothing else, he was going to have

621
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a shootout with police in my mind, and so that

622
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 1>last shot in Texas was justified. Other states not so much.

623
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Please go to gun owners dot org, sign up and

624
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.320
<v Speaker 1>be part of that solution. We should be all to

625
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>defend our communities and ourselves and everyone around us, and

626
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 1>we should be able to do it with an AR

627
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:12.639
<v Speaker 1>fifteen or whatever we choose. There's more good guys out

628
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.519
<v Speaker 1>there than there are bad guys, and laws only apply

629
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>to good guys. Bad guys ignore them, and that's why

630
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.159
<v Speaker 1>they're called criminals.

631
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Do you still live in the same residence that you

632
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:26.920
<v Speaker 2>lived in in twenty seventeen?

633
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:31.480
<v Speaker 1>No, Actually I built So I grew up on a

634
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<v Speaker 1>dairy and I owned two hundred acres of land that

635
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<v Speaker 1>was part of that dairy. And ultimately my end goal

636
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<v Speaker 1>was to build on my property. And my house was

637
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<v Speaker 1>already paid off, and I was already, you know, looking

638
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<v Speaker 1>at selling that house to build on my property. And

639
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.760
<v Speaker 1>so I was able to do that. I sold the

640
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.199
<v Speaker 1>other home and look, I have a man cave in

641
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<v Speaker 1>this house. I didn't have my man cave in the

642
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<v Speaker 1>other house. And this was ultimately my goal.

643
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<v Speaker 2>So what happened to the church? Is the church still standing?

644
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<v Speaker 2>Do they still have church services there? No?

645
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<v Speaker 1>They North American Missions helped fund a brand new church

646
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<v Speaker 1>building and the old building that was over one hundred

647
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:36.519
<v Speaker 1>years old was falling apart anyway, and they built a

648
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<v Speaker 1>brand new building and they ended up tearing down the

649
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:45.239
<v Speaker 1>old church because it was actually a danger. Some of

650
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the beams up in the in the ceiling were collapsing

651
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and the old it would blow fuses. It had fuses

652
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 1>instead of breakers, so the electricity would blow fuses and stuff,

653
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and it was just a hazard. So they chose to

654
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<v Speaker 1>tear down the old building and everything's moved into a

655
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:17.079
<v Speaker 1>brand new, big, beautiful facility and they still home worship

656
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. They're on the same property, but the old

657
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:28.360
<v Speaker 1>building has gone and now there's a historical marker in

658
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<v Speaker 1>its place.

659
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<v Speaker 2>So they tore down the old church and replaced it

660
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<v Speaker 2>with a new one on the same property. Yes, okay, well,

661
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<v Speaker 2>I want to go a little bit more modern here

662
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<v Speaker 2>with you know, today's times, because it kind of seems

663
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:58.519
<v Speaker 2>like mass shooters aren't in fashion. It seems like assassinations

664
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<v Speaker 2>an assassination attempts are the new thing. But it's not

665
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<v Speaker 2>really the new thing. It's actually the old thing.

666
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<v Speaker 1>You know.

667
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.800
<v Speaker 2>It seems like we're kind of wrapping back around to

668
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<v Speaker 2>the sixties and the seventies right when it comes to

669
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 2>political assassinations and political assassination attempts. And I feel like

670
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<v Speaker 2>this kind of started again around twenty twenty four with

671
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 2>the Luigi case with you know, him being accused of

672
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:38.000
<v Speaker 2>killing the gentleman in Manhattan named Brian Thompson, and which

673
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:42.159
<v Speaker 2>he pleaded not guilty to that murder and other court charges.

674
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<v Speaker 2>The case is still ongoing as expected to go to

675
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 2>trial in September of this year, I believe. And then

676
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>we had the attempted assassination of Grump and Butler, which

677
00:47:56.679 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>absolutely no investigation was carried out on that, which was

678
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 2>super odd, not even a press conference after the fact.

679
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 2>And then we get the Charlie Kirk assassination, which is

680
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:17.239
<v Speaker 2>a cluster of a bunch of things that don't make

681
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<v Speaker 2>any sense. Then we have the most recent attempts at

682
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<v Speaker 2>the White House correspondence dinner and the one here recently

683
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 2>actually at the White House. But before we get into those,

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<v Speaker 2>do you have any comments on the ones that I

685
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<v Speaker 2>just mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>This country is so divided, and it's terrible that we're

687
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<v Speaker 1>so divided, and the rhetoric is what's causing crazy people

688
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 1>to act on things that they should never be and again,

689
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 1>the rhetoric that is being put out there, we have

690
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:59.119
<v Speaker 1>to get back to civility, and we have to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to agreeing to disagree and not thinking the other

692
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<v Speaker 1>side is evil when we disagree, and not putting it

693
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<v Speaker 1>out there as evil, because if everybody believes there's evil

694
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<v Speaker 1>around every corner, that everyone. If you disagree with me

695
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<v Speaker 1>in the slightest you must have evil attempt intent, and

696
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<v Speaker 1>that's not necessarily the case. You know, we all would

697
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<v Speaker 1>love to have a safe place for our children to

698
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<v Speaker 1>go to church and for our children to go to school.

699
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.679
<v Speaker 1>We'd like to have safe streets. How we go about

700
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 1>it are separate reasons or separate things. You know, they

701
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<v Speaker 1>want to ban all guns from the hands of law

702
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:58.639
<v Speaker 1>abiding citizens, and they said, if we take your guns away,

703
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:04.199
<v Speaker 1>then criminals will have guns. Well, that's ridiculous. Criminals are

704
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<v Speaker 1>going to get guns no matter what, even in England

705
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:11.880
<v Speaker 1>when and in France, where guns are totally illegal, they

706
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 1>came in with full automatic AK forty seven's in France

707
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:19.119
<v Speaker 1>and nobody could stop them, and they went in and

708
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:26.199
<v Speaker 1>they killed the cartoonists. You know, that's thinking that criminals

709
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<v Speaker 1>are just going to comply with all the gun laws

710
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<v Speaker 1>that they want to put out there. That's not the

711
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<v Speaker 1>case and that's not going to happen. And they think

712
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:41.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm evil because I have an AR fifteen and that's

713
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<v Speaker 1>just not the case. I used my AR fifteen to

714
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<v Speaker 1>defend my community. And they say, over a million times

715
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<v Speaker 1>a year someone defends their own life or someone else's

716
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<v Speaker 1>with a gun. But you don't hear about all of

717
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.679
<v Speaker 1>those cases. It's only when somebody uses a gun for

718
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.519
<v Speaker 1>inappropriate purposes that you hear about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we got Canada right now trying to do a

720
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<v Speaker 2>gun buy back program.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you aware of that? Oh, that's just ridiculous. First off,

722
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and buy back they never owned them. You can't buy

723
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:32.880
<v Speaker 1>it back if you never owned them. And what if

724
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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to sell, it's not a buy back,

725
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a force and you're going to give me a

726
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.480
<v Speaker 1>little bit of what it's worth a little bit, but

727
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<v Speaker 1>not all all of what it's worth. And even if

728
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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to sell it, you know, not yours.

729
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I bought it because I wanted it, not your business

730
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and not your right to buy it. To force me

731
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<v Speaker 1>to give up anything to defend my life, my wife,

732
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:07.599
<v Speaker 1>it's my family, my neighbors, and even my country. Second

733
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<v Speaker 1>Amendment was made to defend this nation against a tyrannical government.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're trying to force me to take to

735
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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice my guns to give them in, you're starting to

736
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<v Speaker 1>look like a tyrannical government.

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<v Speaker 2>That is definitely what it seems like in a lot

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00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 2>of cases. But I find the Canada thing very alarming

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<v Speaker 2>because I guess they're talking about possibly if they're aware

740
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<v Speaker 2>that you have guns and you don't turn them in,

741
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<v Speaker 2>and then what happens when this period is over, They

742
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<v Speaker 2>going to literally come to your house and force you

743
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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of your guns. I mean, and I

744
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<v Speaker 2>think that that has been what people have been talking

745
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.440
<v Speaker 2>about in the unit United States for a long time now,

746
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:06.960
<v Speaker 2>is that it could possibly get to that point.

747
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<v Speaker 1>And so they say they don't want gun violence, but

748
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.079
<v Speaker 1>they're going to send violent men with guns to come

749
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 1>take my guns. Does that make any sense for you?

750
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<v Speaker 2>Not at all? Not one, not one little bit.

751
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.920
<v Speaker 1>And and the people that are pushing this aren't the

752
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 1>ones that are going to go enforce it. They're not

753
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the ones that are going to go door to door

754
00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and maybe get shot for trying to pick up guns illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>And right now it looks like Canada's got some issues.

756
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Alberta is about to walk away. They don't want any

757
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:55.599
<v Speaker 1>of it.

758
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know how that that thing ends, because

759
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like, what is it like a six

760
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:05.480
<v Speaker 2>month period or whatever that they have to turn in

761
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:12.719
<v Speaker 2>their guns, and once that six month period ends. Nobody

762
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>really knows what happens after.

763
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<v Speaker 1>That, and no one's turning their guns in or very

764
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:23.199
<v Speaker 1>very few. Look at what happened in Bondi Beach, Australia.

765
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine that happening in Texas on a beach

766
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 1>where two guys just start murdering people. You don't think

767
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 1>there'd be a Texan there with a gun that would

768
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:42.119
<v Speaker 1>stop it. And then on Bondi Beach, even the police

769
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:46.599
<v Speaker 1>were sitting there waiting and one policewoman raised her hands

770
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:54.039
<v Speaker 1>to surrender. You think they wanted her to surrender. She

771
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:59.320
<v Speaker 1>wasn't surrendering. They kind of killer. There is no surrender

772
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<v Speaker 1>when it's crazy people like that.

773
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<v Speaker 2>The Canada thing is by October thirtieth, twenty twenty six,

774
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:18.880
<v Speaker 2>the declaration like this is what it's saying is that

775
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like this mandatory period and if they all aren't

776
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 2>turned in the designated firearms that the government once turned in.

777
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<v Speaker 2>According to this is that by October thirtieth, twenty twenty six,

778
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:40.880
<v Speaker 2>if they're not turned in, then they can be criminally prosecuted.

779
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.079
<v Speaker 2>According to this, I don't know.

780
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<v Speaker 1>And they want the neighbors to tell on each other

781
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and snitch on each other and whatever. You know, that's

782
00:55:56.199 --> 00:56:01.280
<v Speaker 1>so totally government overreach. And even if you turned in

783
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:05.440
<v Speaker 1>yours that you signed for yourself, there's so many guns

784
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.719
<v Speaker 1>that come across their border. There's no way they can know,

785
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:12.079
<v Speaker 1>no way they can know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that China has a really strong foothold

787
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 2>in Canada. China owns a lot of property in.

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<v Speaker 1>Canada, that's a fact. Yeah, when we start, when we

789
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:34.039
<v Speaker 1>start closing down our southern border, apparently the pentanole from

790
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.400
<v Speaker 1>China start started coming across the Canadian border.

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<v Speaker 2>M Yeah, that's unbelievable. That's uh. But I guess strategically

792
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 2>for China that would be the best way to do it.

793
00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:00.000
<v Speaker 2>A lot more travel involved, but the Canadian border is

794
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:04.840
<v Speaker 2>not as nearly guarded as the southern border.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Please gun owners dot or org sign up fight

796
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.079
<v Speaker 1>for your rights so that we don't end up like

797
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:22.199
<v Speaker 1>Canada or Australia.

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00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a really bad one too. I think maybe

799
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<v Speaker 2>the UK as well. I'm not too sure on the

800
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.360
<v Speaker 2>laws in the UK, but I think it's kind of somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Ronald Reagan said it best when he said

802
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:38.519
<v Speaker 1>freedom is no more than a generation away from a distinction.

803
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.519
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't passed down through the bloodline, but it must

804
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>be fought for and protected and handed down for the

805
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:49.639
<v Speaker 1>next generation to do the same. And then he said,

806
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to spend my twilight years explaining to

807
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:56.639
<v Speaker 1>my grandchildren what it was like living in a free nation.

808
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.119
<v Speaker 1>You have to be out there, you have to be active,

809
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you have to be fighting for this free nation to

810
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 1>hand it down to your kids and your grandkids. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Gioa is doing now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Canada is private. Citizens can only possess firearms for sport,

813
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:27.280
<v Speaker 2>hunting and occupational use. Handguns, semi automatic, these fire rifles

814
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:33.760
<v Speaker 2>are strictly prohibited. But shotguns and rifles, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>And the government any of it. What was that the

816
00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:45.360
<v Speaker 1>government can have any of it? Yeah, they can have

817
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<v Speaker 1>what they want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's unbelievable. We're living in super strange times. But

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much for coming on. From my understanding, you

820
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<v Speaker 2>wrote a book. Where can people We'll purchase or read

821
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<v Speaker 2>your book.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go find my book in Amazon. A town

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<v Speaker 1>called Sutherland Springs. Please purchase my book. It's again, it's

824
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<v Speaker 1>a town called Sutherland Springs. And if you like it,

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<v Speaker 1>give me a thumbs up, give me a review on

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<v Speaker 1>it on Amazon. If you don't like it, ignore that. No, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>go to Amazon, buy the book and give me a review.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for your time here today. Steven

829
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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it. If you're interested in purchasing his book,

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<v Speaker 2>the link will be in the description of this video.

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<v Speaker 2>For everyone else, thanks for watching and listening. Please be

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<v Speaker 2>well for notifications, and we'll see you guys next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye,