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Speaker 2: we begin the Age of Transitions with Aaron Franz. Anyhow
Speaker 2: be Pete, let me check in with you before we
Speaker 2: go to callers. Like I said before, now I'm repeating
Speaker 2: myself Alzheimer's why not. How you doing this week? Man?
Speaker 1: How good?
Speaker 3: It's been hectic.
Speaker 4: I've been trying to stay on top of all this
Speaker 4: crap going on with the storm relief.
Speaker 3: In the western part of the state.
Speaker 4: Since you know the government's not going to sew up
Speaker 4: it's it's it's been a weird week.
Speaker 2: I want you to know. Oh wait a second, I
Speaker 2: need I need to interrupt you, B Pete. I just
Speaker 2: need to interrupt you for one second. I want to
Speaker 2: tell you that right before I turned it over to
Speaker 2: you to speak that Kevin from Florida said, in quotes,
Speaker 2: B Pete, Well, he said, first thing he said, Be Pete,
Speaker 2: is going to say, in quotes, it's been a hectic week.
Speaker 2: He predicted what you were going to say five seconds
Speaker 2: before it came out of your mouth. I got the message.
Speaker 2: What do you think of that? I guess he's been
Speaker 2: paying attention. But the reason why he said he says,
Speaker 2: b Pete is going to say it's been a hectic week.
Speaker 2: And he says that a lot. This is the third week.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I get it. What he's saying is every
Speaker 2: third week you absolutely say exactly, it's been a hectic week.
Speaker 2: So one to three he says, exactly, you say it's
Speaker 2: been a hectic week. So I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 2: telling you somebody is playing the home version and keeping
Speaker 2: track of what you say, and sorry, go ahead. I
Speaker 2: just thought that was funny.
Speaker 4: Every third week I have to go through all these
Speaker 4: inspections with agencies. So yeah, every third week is a
Speaker 4: hectic Greeks usually the only week out of the month
Speaker 4: where I've got five Mondays.
Speaker 2: So not his imagination, it's actually a pattern. It is perfect. Okay.
Speaker 4: So that with the Sportman Hall, we we held up
Speaker 4: pretty good. We didn't get a whole head of a
Speaker 4: lot of rain off of it. But I'm looking at
Speaker 4: places where I used to cover when I worked for
Speaker 4: Damn Safety up the mountains, and these places are just demolish.
Speaker 3: I mean it's imagine twenty feet walls of.
Speaker 4: Water coming down every damn creek, every run, every river.
Speaker 4: It's just madness up there, and if you had the
Speaker 4: government screwing everybody in this storm relief.
Speaker 2: Have you ever actually lived in a shore town, by
Speaker 2: the way, like a town that's on the shore of
Speaker 2: the ocean. Have you ever lived in one of those places?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because as you're describing, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've lived on the coast of North Carolina when hurricanes
Speaker 4: are hit.
Speaker 3: You know, it's I've been through hurricanes.
Speaker 4: I've been through mountain hurricanes, mountain hurricanes with a lot
Speaker 4: of mountains.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had the same thing with you go. Only
Speaker 5: when Hugo came in, it ran up.
Speaker 4: It came in from Charleston to hit the mountains and
Speaker 4: ran up the Appalachians. This one came from your neck
Speaker 4: of the woods straight.
Speaker 3: Up, and when it took that hook to.
Speaker 4: The west, it's now perpendicular to the mountains. And what
Speaker 4: happens is you get what's called an upslope rain. These
Speaker 4: winds were gusting at one hundred miles an hour and
Speaker 4: it was forcing it up the mountain. And as that
Speaker 4: air goes up in elevation, it gets colder, and it
Speaker 4: gets the water gets denser, and it forces the water.
Speaker 4: If you have a direct current to a water source
Speaker 4: like the ocean, and that same thing happened, was you go,
Speaker 4: same thing happened with Sandy Hook.
Speaker 3: Or Hurricane Sand, Hurricane Sandy from your neck of the woods.
Speaker 4: Did you get that source of water going up those
Speaker 4: mountains perpendicular to it and then it's going up the
Speaker 4: elevations of five thousand feet or more And that's what
Speaker 4: produced They had areas up there.
Speaker 3: They got over thirty inches.
Speaker 4: Of rain, well on top of twelve to fifteen inches
Speaker 4: of rain just.
Speaker 3: A couple of days before. See now it was the big.
Speaker 2: Boblem right now. Twice you said my neck of the woods.
Speaker 2: Now one time he's referring to it coming up from Georgia,
Speaker 2: where I actually lived. Then when he's talking Hurricane Sandy,
Speaker 2: he's talking about my neck of the woods. It's coming
Speaker 2: from that direction. Because I think Hurricane Sandy crashed on
Speaker 2: Jersey first, isn't it? Because those storms come together and
Speaker 2: just like New York, New Jersey do.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 2: That was wild. You know why though, I brought this
Speaker 2: up because I'm thinking to myself, nothing is more brutal
Speaker 2: than when you're on the ocean and you watch this
Speaker 2: stuff come in and everything, you know, like there we
Speaker 2: don't have so many rivers. In Jersey. There are rivers,
Speaker 2: but not well.
Speaker 4: But when you're on the ocean, yeah, the storm comes in,
Speaker 4: the eye wall passes, you get a much more rain
Speaker 4: and everything everything's flat.
Speaker 3: You expect flooding.
Speaker 4: But in the mountains, when you take thirty inches of
Speaker 4: rain and you constrict it to these river valleys, in
Speaker 4: these creek valleys and these runs, yeah you're in a
Speaker 4: constricted water course. So the water can't go out like
Speaker 4: it does at the coast. When those floods come in
Speaker 4: on the coast, they spread out over flatland. You know,
Speaker 4: from from the coastal drop in North Carolina to the
Speaker 4: actual coast.
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of elevation change.
Speaker 2: Well, see, it didn't do that in Jersey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't.
Speaker 2: Do that in Jersey. See way you.
Speaker 4: Coachline inse is different than down here along North Carolina's
Speaker 4: coast right or Florida's coast. But when that thing went
Speaker 4: across you, guys, it picked up more moisture and just
Speaker 4: slammed through South Carolina in the up and we still
Speaker 4: had they had one.
Speaker 3: Hundred and ten mile hour gusts on the top of
Speaker 3: some of these ridges.
Speaker 4: So you had little tornadoes and that spurring off of
Speaker 4: these things with all the damage. But imagine a flood
Speaker 4: coming in from the ocean. You get this, you know,
Speaker 4: you get the storm surge comes in and then it
Speaker 4: recedes in the mountains. You're confining all this water to
Speaker 4: say a creek that was ten foot across when it started,
Speaker 4: throw twenty feet of water in it and have it
Speaker 4: come down and slam into everything on those elevations.
Speaker 3: The velocity of water coming.
Speaker 4: Down, it was taking houses up there and busting them
Speaker 4: off their foundations right into the next one, like Domino's right.
Speaker 3: But what is a guy?
Speaker 4: Well, I heard an interview from a guy up in
Speaker 4: a section down below Lancing, I think it was, and
Speaker 4: he said, that house over there, we know where it
Speaker 4: came from.
Speaker 3: It came from right up there.
Speaker 4: That house behind it, we don't know where it came from.
Speaker 4: And we're thinking it came from two miles upstream.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: This is on a creek. This wasn't one of the rivers.
Speaker 4: This was just on a creek and it was moving
Speaker 4: water like that.
Speaker 2: I understand, But the wicked thing.
Speaker 3: Is wiped out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, parts of assphill Or wiped out, Avery County Mitchell County,
Speaker 4: Lancing was effected.
Speaker 3: Is just a mess all and even into eastern Tennessee.
Speaker 3: They call it the same.
Speaker 2: Thing right now, the wicked thing nowhere, the wicked, the
Speaker 2: wicked thing about Jersey, though, before we get straight, I
Speaker 2: want to get to the callers pretty soon here, because
Speaker 2: we've already been out of ten minutes talking weather. But
Speaker 2: I want to find out what's on everybody else's mind.
Speaker 2: You don't have to talk about the weather, by the way,
Speaker 2: if you're calling in anything on your mind, do it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. We could talk politics, news, something local
Speaker 2: to you. I don't care. I got a I got
Speaker 2: a couple of friends out there that are very interested
Speaker 2: in squirrels. You want to call up and tell me
Speaker 2: about the squirrels, let's go. I don't care. But the
Speaker 2: thing is, and not that I don't care, but I
Speaker 2: don't care which topic you select. You can do anything
Speaker 2: you want. Call in three one nine, five two seven
Speaker 2: five zero one six and I'll try not to keep
Speaker 2: anybody on hold this long. But here's the deal. In Jersey.
Speaker 2: What's wicked is that you don't just get slammed and drink.
Speaker 2: You think it drains back out. Yeah, it does. But
Speaker 2: what's terrible is that water comes in boom and crashes
Speaker 2: across the shore. Now what happens is it might break
Speaker 2: off part of the shore and now you've got a
Speaker 2: brand new island. Okay, it'll create an island off of
Speaker 2: the coast and the water will stay, or it'll come
Speaker 2: in and destroy a whole bunch of stuff, sweep things away.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't carry a house. It turns it
Speaker 2: into crap, destroys all these sea walls, all this, you know,
Speaker 2: prevarication and barrier crap. They set up the wall in Seabright.
Speaker 2: We used to turn on the TV, uh back when
Speaker 2: I was a kid with the rabbit ears. As it
Speaker 2: graduated on and on, one of the rituals any storm
Speaker 2: season in Jersey is turn on the TV. Which one
Speaker 2: of these stations had somebody at the wall in Seabright
Speaker 2: because Seabright is gonna fall. It's just every year, who's
Speaker 2: gonna cover the crash of the sea wall in Seabright.
Speaker 2: That was a guarantee that And then they would go
Speaker 2: to what they call Sandy Hook. Now it's not the
Speaker 2: Sandy Hook where you got the elementary school in the shooting.
Speaker 2: There's an island sometimes and sometimes it's connected by land
Speaker 2: to New Jersey. This part of the coast called Sandy Hook, okay,
Speaker 2: and Sandy Hook turns into an island or gets completely
Speaker 2: covered in water and all that, and it's one of
Speaker 2: these places where we've actually got revolutionary war stuff there
Speaker 2: in crap anyway. But what's fascinating is they always cover
Speaker 2: the sea wall and this wicked thing comes in boom
Speaker 2: and will either Now something was an island. Now maybe
Speaker 2: it's got a land bridge because it's totally gutted something
Speaker 2: right next to it and turned it into a brand
Speaker 2: new bay. And the shoreline changes. So every year the
Speaker 2: Jersey shoreline changes. You have new islands, you have islands
Speaker 2: that have been eliminated, okay, like a superstorm Sandy almost
Speaker 2: took away, like put what they call Long Beach Island
Speaker 2: and what they call Good God where the sawmill is Dan.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember the name of it, but it's
Speaker 2: very very famous area down by the shore. Anyway, A
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know that it's actually you got
Speaker 2: to take a bridge to go there because it's an
Speaker 2: island off of the shore totally covered. Two of the
Speaker 2: very big tourist areas long Beach Island and all of
Speaker 2: that is on and there's actually a long little island
Speaker 2: that runs, you know, perpendicular to the shore. Pretty much
Speaker 2: put that whole island underwater, and I mean people live there,
Speaker 2: there's businesses, boardwalks. I mean pretty much it's gone. It
Speaker 2: was that much flooded. It was like New Orleans flood
Speaker 2: except the little islands off the coast of Jersey. Now
Speaker 2: that was part of the damage. Then that storm searge
Speaker 2: came so far in you're talking about, you know, going deep,
Speaker 2: deep into the into the inland. You know, water running
Speaker 2: down main Street in some places, and you know, not
Speaker 2: just Ocean Avenue getting crushed or swept away or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like seeing a lot of places, but I'm talking about
Speaker 2: you're watching the waves roll in and crash, you know,
Speaker 2: three four blocks in to the to the you know,
Speaker 2: away from the shore, where people have houses built right
Speaker 2: there on the shore, you know. And then there's other
Speaker 2: places where they're about a mile away from the shore
Speaker 2: and they think they're safe and they got waves crashing
Speaker 2: on their front porch from the ocean. Now that comes
Speaker 2: and goes, and then the high tide the low side,
Speaker 2: so you're constantly on a swivel trying to figure out
Speaker 2: when this thing's coming in and out. And it comes
Speaker 2: in and out constantly and gets you know, absolutely insane,
Speaker 2: and everybody's trying to track it during the time when
Speaker 2: these things are in storm search. Now, I've never seen
Speaker 2: that anywhere else in the in the country on the
Speaker 2: East coast, being on the coast of you know, North Carolina,
Speaker 2: when there was a storm. I forget which one, but
Speaker 2: it might have been twenty fifteen or twenty fourteen. There
Speaker 2: was a storm there and I was there and it
Speaker 2: wasn't even a major, massive, you know, big headliner, but
Speaker 2: I watched the way the storm rolled and I was like, geez,
Speaker 2: this is like nothing. And then I watched it in
Speaker 2: South Carolina at one point. I've kind of been to
Speaker 2: it near where there's a coast here in Georgia, and
Speaker 2: I've watched it in Florida, and I got to tell you,
Speaker 2: I've seen no other state. And I know that this
Speaker 2: is a New York, New Jersey area thing. And the
Speaker 2: people in Connecticut claimed they saw it, but they never
Speaker 2: did because they're you know, they're Connecticut. They really I
Speaker 2: wish they wouldn't include it in the Tri State area.
Speaker 2: Hate Connecticut, but I mean, but not only do I
Speaker 2: hate it, but it's never really part of the action
Speaker 2: when it comes to the nature of the of the
Speaker 2: area or anything else. All that Connecticut has a hell
Speaker 2: of a lot more money than any of the other
Speaker 2: places except for New York City itself, right, But when
Speaker 2: you take a look at it, and you look at
Speaker 2: people not living in the city, but living in parts
Speaker 2: of New York that are, you know, away from Manhattan
Speaker 2: and the boroughs and all. When you go away from there,
Speaker 2: these people know there's something very particular running like say,
Speaker 2: from I don't know, Boston or that area, like you know,
Speaker 2: up in that area, all the way from Maine, let's say,
Speaker 2: to New Jersey along the coast, there's something very special
Speaker 2: about the way it just like attacks and recedes and
Speaker 2: attacks and recedes. It does not happen like that on
Speaker 2: the rest of the East Coast as far as I know.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with that? I mean, you don't see
Speaker 2: that where you are, right, I mean, just real quick,
Speaker 2: before we get to the callers, would you agree that
Speaker 2: it's a different animal what I'm describing, apart from what
Speaker 2: you see in North Carolina, South Carolina.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's a different geology involved.
Speaker 2: Well I get that, but I mean, to me, it's
Speaker 2: wild the difference. It's like, you know, in some ways,
Speaker 2: I get it because it goes away. You get a
Speaker 2: guarantee it's going to go away. The floods don't sit
Speaker 2: on you for a month, you know. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, it's a constant attack and recede and attack
Speaker 2: and recede, you know what I mean. I think that's
Speaker 2: the major difference.
Speaker 3: We had some pretty long ones here.
Speaker 4: We've got a few hurricanes where we had water standing
Speaker 4: for about two months.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's well, but.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. The water will sit there for
Speaker 2: a long time, you know, in Jersey, it'll form a
Speaker 2: new bay, you know, maybe. But but what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is the water doesn't really stay. It just comes, rip
Speaker 2: shit up and goes, you know, just back and forth
Speaker 2: and back and forth. And that to me is exhausting
Speaker 2: trying to live through that and trying to you know,
Speaker 2: batten down the hatches and prepare for it. And I
Speaker 2: mean it's funny to watch people who have like boats
Speaker 2: where they live near the you know, near the ocean,
Speaker 2: and the next thing you know, is they've lost control
Speaker 2: of their their boats. Are you know, two towns over
Speaker 2: they floated over to somebody else's town when when the
Speaker 2: tide came in. You know, to me, that's kind of funny.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the last major hurricane we had, you know where
Speaker 7: Newburn is, that was the only time in my lifetime
Speaker 7: and other people I've talked to that remember Newburn being landlocked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no way to get to Newburn except
Speaker 3: by boat.
Speaker 4: And now that was pretty catastrophic to that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it looks like a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: is built there. It seems like to take that in
Speaker 2: Newburn right, the way those bridges are and everything, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, the bridges are meant to take it
Speaker 4: and all. But there was so much flooding in Newburn
Speaker 4: downtown itself. In fact, we were walking around while we
Speaker 4: were doing the cleanup. We were staying at a riverfront
Speaker 4: hotel which the first floor was just gutted, so they
Speaker 4: were rebuilding it, and we would walk over to a
Speaker 4: state place about three blocks away, and as we're walking,
Speaker 4: you know, like the old fort towns, you had houses
Speaker 4: that were built up on semi basements where three or
Speaker 4: four feet of the basement would be above street level
Speaker 4: and you walk down steps to go underneath.
Speaker 3: And I got to thinking about it.
Speaker 4: That's why they built them that way, so when the
Speaker 4: tides would come in with hurricanes, the water could actually
Speaker 4: flow through underneath the house and it would be no problem.
Speaker 4: I mean, these massive brick structures with pillars and all
Speaker 4: to hold them up, and it was designed underneath of
Speaker 4: Downtown was designed to flood and then let it back
Speaker 4: out all over time with new construction, a lot of
Speaker 4: those things were gone.
Speaker 3: I'm walking around thinking, you know.
Speaker 4: Those guys weren't too stupid way back then when they
Speaker 4: were building stuff.
Speaker 3: Now I understood how things work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I was looking at a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff in newbern like a lot of the bridge
Speaker 2: constructions where it was kind of a pain in the
Speaker 2: ass because you got to like, you know, you got
Speaker 2: to ascend here. You go up a ramp, you go
Speaker 2: up another ramp, and people are bitching, and I'm looking
Speaker 2: at it going, you know, I wish I had this
Speaker 2: stuff in Jersey because if I did, I would actually
Speaker 2: have you know, because bridges get wiped out in Jersey
Speaker 2: during the storm season. It's like, oh, well, you can't
Speaker 2: get to that part of Jersey now because it's locked.
Speaker 2: There's no way. The bridges are all gone, right, And
Speaker 2: if they had done this thing with this gradual there
Speaker 2: would have been space for the water to go. You
Speaker 2: would have only lost part of the ramp, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And you wouldn't have lost access to
Speaker 2: a lot of areas where they decided, look, we're going
Speaker 2: to elevate this part. It was like weird elevations of
Speaker 2: bridges and stuff that was kind of a pain in
Speaker 2: the ass to some people. But I'm thinking to myself, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's why you still have a bridge after storm season,
Speaker 2: because in Jersey, I watched those things get knocked out.
Speaker 4: The problem in Newburn, Yeah, the problem in Newburn is
Speaker 4: you've got.
Speaker 3: Two river systems coming together. You got the Trent River
Speaker 3: and the News River.
Speaker 4: So if you want to go from Newburn to any
Speaker 4: other direction, you basically got to switch your roadway in
Speaker 4: three different directions. And that was what they did with
Speaker 4: the elevated bridges. Now, some of the older bridges back
Speaker 4: up near Vansboro and places like that, you know, out
Speaker 4: of the way. Yeah, they got washed out. County roads
Speaker 4: got washed out. But Dot is going to put a
Speaker 4: good job in fact, Highway twelve, which runs down the
Speaker 4: outer Banks, for years and years, every time a storm
Speaker 4: came through, even in Northeastern it would break the road.
Speaker 6: They'd have to go back.
Speaker 3: Pump been saying, build a road back. So finally they.
Speaker 4: Built about a two almost three mile section causeway over
Speaker 4: the sound.
Speaker 3: And now if the.
Speaker 4: Road washes out, they'll fix it when they get around
Speaker 4: to it. It's not imperative to get traffic north and
Speaker 4: south all the way down to.
Speaker 3: The Ferry of Hatters, right, like Kevin is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're trying to fight the elements and find, you know,
Speaker 4: cheap efficient ways to do it, but also make it
Speaker 4: safe so that they're not out there constantly having after
Speaker 4: they score them.
Speaker 2: Right Ken, Yeah, Kevin from Florida is also telling me
Speaker 2: that where's this thing here? I just had it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's saying that, Well, let me let me just answer this.
Speaker 2: I'll make sense of it. The deal is that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: every you're never out of work in New Jersey is
Speaker 2: what he Yeah, basically in New Jersey, this is true.
Speaker 2: Right in New Jersey and New York. You're never out
Speaker 2: of work if your job is to build roads. Rebuild
Speaker 2: road and also take care of the bridges. You constantly
Speaker 2: have large construction projects there because of this. I mean,
Speaker 2: at one point, I was thinking, it's almost a business
Speaker 2: plan for some of these guys where they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: so we'll have this much of our income for our
Speaker 2: big you know heavy construction. We're definitely going to be
Speaker 2: repairing you know, storm damage. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: when are you going to do that next year? Like
Speaker 2: they ran for it. Yeah. Good.
Speaker 4: Look at Jersey and New York and look at how
Speaker 4: many sections of those major urban areas have been reclaimed
Speaker 4: from the water.
Speaker 3: You know, they started projects back in the eighteen.
Speaker 4: Hundreds where they were they were putting up seat piles
Speaker 4: and filling so I mean, look at d C.
Speaker 3: It was built on a swamp.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's what they know.
Speaker 4: Mankind has always been stealing away from the ocean to
Speaker 4: try to build things, and how Mother Nature's coming back
Speaker 4: with a vengeine.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is some of those short towns
Speaker 2: where people were freaking out like, oh my god, the
Speaker 2: whole town's gone. I'm looking at it going yeah, but
Speaker 2: here's what they did. They turned around and they made
Speaker 2: a landfill there like in the seventeen or eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: and basically they created a garbage dump. They took and
Speaker 2: through the garbage pretty much into a swamp area to
Speaker 2: like reconstitute the swamp area, and then they built on
Speaker 2: top of it. There's whole towns and stuff that are
Speaker 2: pretty much built on top of what was an old
Speaker 2: school garbage dump, right, And I'm like, well, but before
Speaker 2: that it was a swamp. They filled it with garbage,
Speaker 2: then they filled it with land, and they created the landfill.
Speaker 2: And like my school, there was a big notice up
Speaker 2: on my high school that basically said, you know, this
Speaker 2: school and the junior high school they were built on landfills.
Speaker 2: Like they you know, like they actually admitted it. They
Speaker 2: publicly posted these places were built on landfills, and that's
Speaker 2: what they were. It was like my whole I mean,
Speaker 2: it was kind of apropos. My high school and my
Speaker 2: junior high school were built on top of dumps, you know,
Speaker 2: And we used to make a lot of jokes about it.
Speaker 2: But the truth is there was like wholes in Jersey
Speaker 2: along the shore that at one time were partially just swampland.
Speaker 2: And they were swampland because they were close to the ocean.
Speaker 2: But they weren't in the ocean, you know, so at
Speaker 2: one time, like you said, it was probably part of
Speaker 2: the like that whole thing with that place called Sandy
Speaker 2: Hook that I said, right, They were making remarks there
Speaker 2: that like, look, we have Native American structures or Native
Speaker 2: American remnants here. When the Native Americans lived here, they
Speaker 2: had to come to Sandy Hook by boat, and it
Speaker 2: was actually four different islands, you know, they were saying
Speaker 2: back then. Nowadays it's pretty much one island with a bridge,
Speaker 2: and it partially touches the land, but every time a
Speaker 2: good storm comes through, no longer touching the land, only
Speaker 2: the bridge, so the bridge gets wiped out. You got
Speaker 2: the same kind of problem like you had Newburn. And
Speaker 2: these bridges are not built for floods because, like I said,
Speaker 2: the flood never stays. The flood comes and it goes,
Speaker 2: and when it goes, it sweeps back whatever the hell
Speaker 2: it wants, and you might end up with a whole
Speaker 2: bridge washed into the ocean goodbye, you know. And that's it.
Speaker 2: And we used to watch that on TV. Like I said,
Speaker 2: every year the wall in seabright, they rebuild it. It
Speaker 2: would fall, they rebuild it, it would fall. I really
Speaker 2: I saw like only them skipping a year or two
Speaker 2: here or there. For like when I look back in
Speaker 2: the history when I was a kid, and it's like
Speaker 2: they've been doing this now for like one hundred years.
Speaker 2: They build the wall in Seabright, it gets destroyed. They
Speaker 2: build it, it goes down. Anytime you see storm coverage
Speaker 2: anywhere in the country from New Jersey, take a look,
Speaker 2: and when you see what's going on in Seabright, here's
Speaker 2: the funny part. We all used to watch it because
Speaker 2: it would give us a good idea about what was
Speaker 2: going to happen to the whole coastline of what they
Speaker 2: call Mammoth County and most of Ocean County. We knew
Speaker 2: what would happen to that whole coastline. If that seawall
Speaker 2: crashed real bad and it was like brutal, It just
Speaker 2: went down like it was nothing, like it was a
Speaker 2: sand castle, and a wave came in, then we knew
Speaker 2: that we were about to get pummeled everywhere on the
Speaker 2: coast in Mammoth and Ocean County. If that thing stood
Speaker 2: up for a while and didn't fall down for a
Speaker 2: couple of days pounding, then we'd say, you know what,
Speaker 2: we stand a chance. We're only going to have some erosion.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe there'll be truckloads of sand got to
Speaker 2: come in and replace the beach at some point, you know,
Speaker 2: in a couple of towns or whatever. But that's it.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be that bad. It was always
Speaker 2: a good barometer to show you what was coming for
Speaker 2: the rest of the county. I'm just saying, so, anyway,
Speaker 2: enough of our storm talk. Somebody's probably going Jesus. These
Speaker 2: guys are definitely old men because they're talking like it's
Speaker 2: the Weather channel, So the hell with this. Let's get
Speaker 2: away from the weather. Maybe because it's up to him
Speaker 2: A nine one six area code. I think I know
Speaker 2: who this is. But you're live, and hopefully I didn't
Speaker 2: put you asleep. But all the storm talk, you've been
Speaker 2: on hold like a half hour. How you doing.
Speaker 6: I'm doing better than either guy. It wasn't bored, bung
Speaker 6: bit I found You're off. Your rant was highly entertaining.
Speaker 6: They're all fair pretty get that.
Speaker 2: I was talking really freely off air, wasn't I sorry?
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, it was that. That was that was entertaining. Man,
Speaker 6: I chuck, I enjoyed it. You they might eat me
Speaker 6: just weather all, we're all out there. Yeah, my my,
Speaker 6: I've just been horrified looking at the devastation of Helen.
Speaker 2: And Uh.
Speaker 6: I enjoyed Dpat's weather reports and this description of the
Speaker 6: typography and the som and I've never been to North Carolina,
Speaker 6: so I find it he kind of paints a really
Speaker 6: good picture. Yeah, and I understand the whole spectical we talked. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that's kind of the story of my life with words, right.
Speaker 2: So, Janny, I lived there briefly, But I lived there briefly,
Speaker 2: Danny in North Carolina. But I got to tell you,
Speaker 2: b Pete. I've gotten a lot of remarks about b Pete, Like,
Speaker 2: the most positive stuff about him is, you know, firstly,
Speaker 2: just skip the people that want to yell at me
Speaker 2: that I'm that I'm a jerk because I uh, you know,
Speaker 2: because him and Jimmy James, I'm mean to them for
Speaker 2: some reason. Uh. And somehow they've grouped him now with
Speaker 2: jim with JJ. He doesn't have a fan club yet,
Speaker 2: but uh, and apparently Jimmy James does. But the the
Speaker 2: nicest comments I get about BP who are like, you know,
Speaker 2: people that are positive about my regular show, but they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: and your co host, by the way, It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: either I'm gonna get hit with a bomb or they're
Speaker 2: gonna love this guy. And maybe I'm I'm a dick
Speaker 2: and I should just give him a show, uh one
Speaker 2: or the other. And uh, usually the biggest thing, one
Speaker 2: of the big things is always you know what, I
Speaker 2: love it. BPTE always gives a weather report and tells
Speaker 2: us how his week was at work. It's like he's
Speaker 2: my Uh, he's like my virtual friend on the radio,
Speaker 2: you know, and uh, oh, you know positive thing to report,
Speaker 2: by the way, is you know, generally speaking, we don't
Speaker 2: have a great, big live audience, so I never take
Speaker 2: the live audience very seriously, except on Friday night, because
Speaker 2: it's like, who knows who's going to tune in, and
Speaker 2: it might be almost nobody, because most people listen through
Speaker 2: the podcast and the overwhelming majority, I mean like ninety
Speaker 2: percent literally or ninety five percent even our listeners on
Speaker 2: the podcast, not the live show. But this week I
Speaker 2: did the show with Larry Hancock just to kind of
Speaker 2: let people know that his book was out for pre release,
Speaker 2: The Oswald Puzzle and that people could order it, and
Speaker 2: we went through. I read the chapter list and discussed
Speaker 2: why the book is different and everything else, and my
Speaker 2: podcast was the only thing Larry did. And apparently I
Speaker 2: got a few more live listeners than I can see,
Speaker 2: because Larry instantly had a bit of a surge on
Speaker 2: sales for his book, and you know, I was the
Speaker 2: only one who promoted it, so rather all of a
Speaker 2: sudden right after the broadcast or starting during the broadcast,
Speaker 2: Apparently people were listening to me and Larry talk because
Speaker 2: people are buying his book, and I'm really happy, and
Speaker 2: I hope you guys do, because it's a very different
Speaker 2: book that's going to go in depth on Lee Harvey Oswealt.
Speaker 2: But anyway, enough of the Kennedy stuff. I'm sure we'll
Speaker 2: touch upon that if Jimmy calls in or others might
Speaker 2: want to call in about it, But I don't want
Speaker 2: to get stuck on anything that's on my mind. Back
Speaker 2: to it, man, what else is on your mind. I'm
Speaker 2: glad that you endorse, though, and appreciate Ppeat's weather reports
Speaker 2: and stuff, because I do, and quite honestly, I think
Speaker 2: you can learn a lot about North Carolina, even if
Speaker 2: you've never been there. Just from listening to BPD often
Speaker 2: tells us lots of educational tidbits about North Carolina. So
Speaker 2: I think he's like a good travel ad for them.
Speaker 2: You know, go see North Carolina. BP told you about
Speaker 2: a lot of things there, So I think it's great anyway,
Speaker 2: glad to hear that. So, Danny, what else you got
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 6: Well, I did hear that. Larry not always a life listener,
Speaker 6: but I did hear the podcast, but sounds interesting. Anytime
Speaker 6: you have Larry hand costs, I find I learned something.
Speaker 6: I really like both of you to put your heads together,
Speaker 6: as your ability to critically think. And you know, I
Speaker 6: don't have anywhere near the expertise of the Kennedy assassination
Speaker 6: that I've been fascinated for decades, but just your insight
Speaker 6: is just tells me how to kind of always get
Speaker 6: centered and look at how to investigate that subject matter.
Speaker 2: I try, you know what, I try not to Just Danny,
Speaker 2: real quick, I try not to tell you what to think.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? What I do is try
Speaker 2: and provide you with a guide to say, look, this
Speaker 2: is how you can explore this and look at it
Speaker 2: from a common you know, a very street level kind
Speaker 2: of like you don't need a massive education or to
Speaker 2: spend you know, all your hours studying everything. Here's stuff
Speaker 2: that's very accessible to anybody who has a level of interest.
Speaker 2: So you can apply your level of interest to what
Speaker 2: I try to present, no matter what your you know,
Speaker 2: what your level is, from novice to to you know,
Speaker 2: a serious, exalted sort of expert. Right, I try and
Speaker 2: just give you tools to explore this, as opposed to
Speaker 2: telling you what to think. Here's what the story is.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what it is, because I know
Speaker 2: I don't do that. I try and say, look, here's
Speaker 2: how you can go through it. Here's how you can
Speaker 2: explore it. Here's what you could learn. And here's a
Speaker 2: couple of points of easy access. Here's a couple of
Speaker 2: points of slightly more difficult access. And think about it
Speaker 2: this way or think about it that way. And therefore
Speaker 2: I try and give you ways to break it all down,
Speaker 2: even when it's a very complex, you know, sort of
Speaker 2: subheading on it. Do my best, and that's the people
Speaker 2: I love to present, which is why Larry's so great,
Speaker 2: very responsible, very direct, well researched and he's very thorough
Speaker 2: about what it is he's laying out. Even when we
Speaker 2: were talking about the picture section, the you know, the
Speaker 2: photo section of the book, that's going to be very
Speaker 2: intentional and a tool in and of itself to be
Speaker 2: able to learn from just the photo section this time. Uh,
Speaker 2: and he's got very responsible people making sure all the
Speaker 2: proper legal clearances are in place, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: the majority, and I'll tell you this dirty little secret
Speaker 2: majority of JFK authors, no matter who their publisher is,
Speaker 2: really are sitting there waiting for a freaking avalanche of
Speaker 2: lawsuits because there's one hundred times these people use constantly,
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, stuff that they don't have
Speaker 2: proper ownership of or proper permissions to utilize in their books.
Speaker 2: They have tons of images that they pretty much share
Speaker 2: around and nobody pays attention to who the copyright owner is.
Speaker 2: You know, I utter the wrong words in the wrong
Speaker 2: sequels on my podcast. I'll get hit for a copyright
Speaker 2: notice on a song if I happen to recite lyrics
Speaker 2: the wrong way. These guys literally use other people's photographs
Speaker 2: that they do have a you know, a standing proper
Speaker 2: claim on, and they don't care. Now, why am I
Speaker 2: bringing all this up Not for the minutia the Kennedy assassination,
Speaker 2: mind you, but to remind you that there is this
Speaker 2: whole world of ownership over images and likenesses and things
Speaker 2: like that that are literally shaping your media experience out there.
Speaker 2: People like me don't have the ability and the time
Speaker 2: and the resources to acquire all these things legally. So
Speaker 2: our two choices are, you know, leave things alone and
Speaker 2: don't utilize you know, imagery or things that could be
Speaker 2: you know, hit for content violations. Either don't do it
Speaker 2: at all, or do it and take the risk that
Speaker 2: somebody tries to take you down through it, or tries
Speaker 2: to sue you, or tries to put you out of
Speaker 2: business even for utilizing their stuff or somebody else's stuff
Speaker 2: or whatever. And I got to tell you, every if
Speaker 2: you pick up five books on the Kennedy assassination, I
Speaker 2: can almost assure you that four out of those five
Speaker 2: books have potential lawsuits in them because people are utilizing
Speaker 2: things once again that they don't have ownership over and
Speaker 2: they don't have proper permissions for. And that's been a
Speaker 2: plague on modern contemporary history, but one especially in the
Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination, I'm telling you it does affect news agencies
Speaker 2: because again, unless you have a lot of resources, you
Speaker 2: don't have the ability to utilize a whole lot of
Speaker 2: stuff that somebody who works for Time Warner or Comcast
Speaker 2: or you know, Disney or any of those companies, they
Speaker 2: just pass it along to their legal department, it gets
Speaker 2: handled done. I can't do that. I don't have time
Speaker 2: for that, I don't have money for that. So what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is, even in the case where it's like
Speaker 2: anybody could be a journalist and citizen journalism is important
Speaker 2: and it gets the truth out and all that, the
Speaker 2: truth is we're either handcuffed or we're awaiting dangerous waters
Speaker 2: when it comes to this stuff, one way or another.
Speaker 2: So that's a guarantee, and I'm pointing it out in
Speaker 2: the Kennedy genre, in the JFK assassination genre, it's there
Speaker 2: like a plague. But the truth is this actually does
Speaker 2: affect all media you consume. When it comes to information
Speaker 2: and the sharing of and ability to relate information in
Speaker 2: the news slash information stream that's out there, this is
Speaker 2: actually affecting everything, whether you know it, you see it,
Speaker 2: or even the people involved see it or not, it
Speaker 2: is part of the sort of damocles and also part
Speaker 2: of what's affecting people's access and everything else across the board.
Speaker 2: So I think that's an important point to make, Danny,
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry to go there, but I think it's necessary.
Speaker 2: And again, Larry has taken the time to really do
Speaker 2: it right, and even he might have been guilty at
Speaker 2: certain points of being a little sloppy about these things,
Speaker 2: because it's just kind of acceptable and has been given
Speaker 2: to be acceptable in a lot of places in the
Speaker 2: JFK world, except when occasionally there are certain people whose
Speaker 2: names I'm not going to name, get a bug up
Speaker 2: there behind and decide to start going after people, and
Speaker 2: they actually do, and those stories are usually not told
Speaker 2: in public because they're literally sealed by the lawsuits. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I happen to know that it does exist, and
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you. Look at this, I can't
Speaker 2: tell you because I can't afford the lawyer to deal
Speaker 2: with the response. If I did see what I mean
Speaker 2: right then and there, your ability to hear information is affected.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Danny just just wanted to point that out,
Speaker 2: and I think it's important. But maybe Aaron Fronz will
Speaker 2: touch on something like this later. I think he might actually,
Speaker 2: But anyway, back to you and your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, yeah, no, no, I appreciate that because I've
Speaker 1: always sat there and thought, why, like in a lot
Speaker 1: of news stories, sometimes they're repeating like they have like
Speaker 1: film footage, it's catalog, and it may not even it.
Speaker 6: May be kind of loosely benefited, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: kind of related to the topic they're talking about. That's
Speaker 6: like I've seen that image before. You know, they might
Speaker 6: be using that now and thinking that, yeah, there's legal reasons,
Speaker 6: it might be just something because they got to put
Speaker 6: together a story right away. So that makes a lot
Speaker 6: of sense. But one of the thoughts that got to
Speaker 6: me this week thinking about not only the storm, but
Speaker 6: you know, it was the good and bad and ugly
Speaker 6: Jimmy Carter President, Jimmy Carter just celebrated this hundredth birthday. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and what a mildstone. And I was in high school
Speaker 6: in his administration. I remembered him being kind of elected
Speaker 6: because the aftermath of the Watergate Nixon and you know,
Speaker 6: I just remember his campaign. It was Jimmy two. I
Speaker 6: never voted for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was more of a get rid of Ford.
Speaker 2: That was more of a let's get rid of Ford,
Speaker 2: because look at him. He's part of the uh, He's
Speaker 2: part of all the people that went bad. He was seen,
Speaker 2: as you know, and rightfully so, part of the establishment
Speaker 2: that was corrupt and needed to move on. Right. I
Speaker 2: mean in seventy six, I'm four years old, so I
Speaker 2: was very little. But my father, as I famously said
Speaker 2: on here, taught me to read newspapers then, so you know,
Speaker 2: I was definitely in on it, but not you know,
Speaker 2: concerned with politics at four, come on, but I was
Speaker 2: enough to remember that. Now, that's interesting. You were in
Speaker 2: high school, so you were, you know, again not voting,
Speaker 2: but becoming more aware of it right then. And it's
Speaker 2: pretty wild to see he's one of the one of
Speaker 2: the presidents still holding on, still alive, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what if if I ever get
Speaker 3: I've got.
Speaker 4: Diagnosed with something and I get sent to hospice, I
Speaker 4: want them to send me where he's been for the
Speaker 4: past year.
Speaker 2: Right, Because he's been on hospice now for over a year. Right,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's like you know, most people I've ever
Speaker 2: known who've got in the hospice. You know, they go in, Uh,
Speaker 2: you give him a month, you know what I mean? Okay,
Speaker 2: so this is the month they're gonna die because you're
Speaker 2: on your way out when you go in to hospice.
Speaker 2: I mean, as far as I've ever seen with anybody
Speaker 2: I've ever personally known. But yeah, he's been on that
Speaker 2: that deathbed now for over a year, right, I mean, Danny.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 6: Exactly? Yeah, he's been I think it's been almost two
Speaker 6: years they've had him in the hospice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe right, cancer he's been in for nineteen months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh according to stories, nineteen months. Be pe. What's
Speaker 2: your source on that, by the way, AP or something?
Speaker 3: People dot com?
Speaker 2: People dot com? Okay, fair enough, they're probably right. Okay,
Speaker 2: fair enough, Danny, go.
Speaker 6: Ahead, Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I'd have some experience of hostus.
Speaker 6: My father when he had a pin created cancer. We
Speaker 6: brought you know, I was talked to bring houstus and
Speaker 6: it was kind of whatever we got the hospice group got,
Speaker 6: it was kind of a disaster, and I ended up
Speaker 6: taking care of him the last three weeks myself prior
Speaker 6: to his death.
Speaker 2: I just well, most of the time they're pretty good,
Speaker 2: but sometimes they're disastrous, and you just wanted to take
Speaker 2: it out of their hands because you're like, this is
Speaker 2: you know, at least let his last little time on
Speaker 2: earth be you know, be comfortable and with some dignity,
Speaker 2: and you knew you would do that. Where they weren't right.
Speaker 6: Right, It was just it was just a chaos and
Speaker 6: there was just a lot going on that year and
Speaker 6: my mother, my mother didn't do very well with it,
Speaker 6: and then I had My mother had a stroke and
Speaker 6: I ended up she had the string with her stroke
Speaker 6: was her inability to eat.
Speaker 2: My apologies, b p Abb take over for me for
Speaker 2: a minute. You to talk to Danny because I got
Speaker 2: to step away from the mic. I apologized, But you
Speaker 2: were saying, Danny that your your dad needed what happened
Speaker 2: to he wasn't eating or your mom wasn't he Where
Speaker 2: were you at there? I got that mixed up.
Speaker 6: My father stopped because we knew he was in evil.
Speaker 6: My father had pink greated cancer, so it was just
Speaker 6: a matter of time. And my mother had a stroke,
Speaker 6: so it affected her ability to eat. But they put
Speaker 6: her on cop on hospice. It was about two years ago,
Speaker 6: but she got kicked out in the hospice, she started
Speaker 6: eating and and she's doing amazingly better. I mean, it
Speaker 6: still affected her cognitive ability, but they basically the hospices
Speaker 6: she doesn't need anymore. She's doing fine. So so who
Speaker 6: knows how it was that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's probably the accepted more than norm My mom
Speaker 4: went in halfway she lim foma, and she was in
Speaker 4: the hospital for her like a month and a half.
Speaker 4: They tried the last thing they could come up with
Speaker 4: that chemo didn't work, so they put her in the hospice.
Speaker 4: So I got a call from my brother and said, well,
Speaker 4: they're moving her to hospice. This was on a Friday,
Speaker 4: he said, And you know, her doctor said probably two weeks.
Speaker 4: And when he got to hospice, he called me back
Speaker 4: and says, well, their doctor says one week. I said,
Speaker 4: she's not going to make it till Monday, And sure enough,
Speaker 4: Sunday evening, at six o'clock, she passed.
Speaker 1: It was just.
Speaker 4: They came in, they started giving her shots a morphine,
Speaker 4: and they came in on a more continuous schedule and eventually.
Speaker 3: They just morphined her out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the way hospice around here works nowadays.
Speaker 2: I would appreciate it if it worked like that more often,
Speaker 2: because I'll tell you the last time that I, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of did counseling for a family, again as my
Speaker 2: role as a minister, you know, spiritual counseling for a
Speaker 2: family that was dealing with this. You know, it was
Speaker 2: very hard. Certain people stepped in thought they could handle it,
Speaker 2: and then as time you know, went on, and this
Speaker 2: is only maybe six weeks, but within a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks the person who thought they were just fine to
Speaker 2: sort of manage the hospice circumstances, you know, it turned
Speaker 2: out that they emotionally couldn't handle it. So, you know,
Speaker 2: I had to go through a whole thing advising them. Listen,
Speaker 2: you know, there's no shame in this. Let him bow
Speaker 2: out of that. Maybe somebody else can step up and
Speaker 2: keep an eye on everything. Since the whole family wants
Speaker 2: to track it. You know, you don't blame them, Why
Speaker 2: not set them for comfort? I wish more often be
Speaker 2: Pete honestly, that I heard somebody say something like they
Speaker 2: just gave him the morphine until he was out, because
Speaker 2: that would be a lot more merciful than a lot
Speaker 2: of times I've watched personally where it's like they're not
Speaker 2: going to make that move, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: they're really just keeping them hanging on. And to me,
Speaker 2: even when the person is begging not to be there anymore,
Speaker 2: especially if they're I mean, look, to me, that's the
Speaker 2: that's the right of anybody, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: you want to not be here anymore, I think you
Speaker 2: should be able to take a package and go, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because it's just logical. Listen, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to live much longer. My quality of life
Speaker 2: is crap. Let me go. But sometimes they're begging for it,
Speaker 2: and the family sits there basically being guided to keep
Speaker 2: them just barely hanging on for longer and longer, just
Speaker 2: to squeeze every day out of the situation. And to me,
Speaker 2: it's no good for anybody. And if the person who
Speaker 2: is you know, dying wants to check out today, I say,
Speaker 2: let them go, you know, let them do that and
Speaker 2: be done with you.
Speaker 4: Now they've they've started to push over in Europe, in Canada.
Speaker 4: Hell there, Canada is bumping off everybody they can just
Speaker 4: to light and a load.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm kind of overboard with it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope nobody thinks I'm being cruel about this.
Speaker 2: I mean, really, I think it's much more merciful. You know,
Speaker 2: if somebody's in a lite, you know, somebody's sitting there
Speaker 2: living in that condition, and they know that, say they've
Speaker 2: got Alzheimer's and most of the day they're out of it,
Speaker 2: and they know that, you know, they're aware of it,
Speaker 2: but they can't do nothing about it. And then in
Speaker 2: a lucid state, they say, listen, this is enough of
Speaker 2: us already, I gotta go. I say that it is
Speaker 2: a they're human right, and be much more merciful on
Speaker 2: the overview to everybody. And again I've had to walk
Speaker 2: people through this where it's just brutal after a little while.
Speaker 2: You know, certain children, I think they would do better
Speaker 2: watching their parents go while they're still sorted together, not
Speaker 2: pathetically finishing it out and just fading in that way
Speaker 2: where it's like for a moment there they sit and
Speaker 2: go or are they dead? You know, when you start
Speaker 2: questioning have they gone yet or not? And they keep
Speaker 2: coming back, that's somebody who is definitely establishing a big distance.
Speaker 2: And that's the point at which look, it's already over
Speaker 2: you're just prolonging the process and the pain. I don't know. Again,
Speaker 2: this is me from a morals standpoint, but I advise
Speaker 2: people based on what the wishes of that person are. Usually,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I would encourage this,
Speaker 2: I would encourage that, you know, and I've had to
Speaker 2: do that. That's brutal.
Speaker 8: Switzerland allowed, i think, for legal euthanasia, and they just
Speaker 8: arrested a bunch of people over the suicide pod that
Speaker 8: this doctor created.
Speaker 3: It uses nitrogen gas and you sit in this thing.
Speaker 4: And apparently they put this thing out in the countryside
Speaker 4: somewhere and the family showed up and an American woman
Speaker 4: decided to end it, and the police arrested several people,
Speaker 4: It says your Swiss police have arrested several people after
Speaker 4: a controversial futuristic looking capsule designed to allow its occupant
Speaker 4: to kill themselves is used for the first time.
Speaker 3: It's called the Sarco capsule.
Speaker 9: And this is outrageous, was the person, Uh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 9: and apparently people have been going over there.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 4: In Britain, it's called Digitas is the company you can
Speaker 4: take you out, but it says here police in Northern
Speaker 4: Canton of South House and Border in Germany said so
Speaker 4: called Sarco capsule have been deployed in the woods in
Speaker 4: the municipality of Miershausen on Monday. So apparently they arrested
Speaker 4: and whoever put it out there, they haven't given much details.
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm trying to find out what the woman
Speaker 4: had they called her to want to Well all anyway,
Speaker 4: I just found these things that you know, they allow suicide,
Speaker 4: but now that they've created a neat device for it,
Speaker 4: they're arresting people.
Speaker 3: Listen, if you can come up with you step in
Speaker 3: front of a train.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but see that's the thing. I mean, look, if
Speaker 2: you can come up with an easy way out for people,
Speaker 2: And again some oversight is required here. You know, an
Speaker 2: objective person needs to step in and go, look, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe this is just more mental and they need to
Speaker 2: not do this. They're not making it, you know, in
Speaker 2: their right mind. If somebody judges that they're not making this,
Speaker 2: you know, being of sound mind, then maybe you know,
Speaker 2: maybe there needs to be an oversight to determine that
Speaker 2: and make sure you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Well, now that's the hang up In Canada.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in Canada, the municipalities or the government decided they
Speaker 4: were going to euthanize some people mm hmm, and the
Speaker 4: other people said, now wait a minute before you do that.
Speaker 3: You know, is what you're doing legal become a big
Speaker 3: mess up there.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but again my whole concern and this is
Speaker 2: why I don't trust our government. Like in look, in spirit,
Speaker 2: I believe in the death penalty, but operationally we don't
Speaker 2: have a way that it can be put in the
Speaker 2: hands of a trusted you know, a trusted entity of
Speaker 2: any kind to implement it. In my mind, I don't
Speaker 2: trust the government, don't trust the courts to do this properly,
Speaker 2: fairly and correctly. If I did, death penalty is not
Speaker 2: an issue for me, it's then do it, you know.
Speaker 2: And in addition, euthanasia not an issue. If you have
Speaker 2: somebody who is in pain and is only going to
Speaker 2: look forward to pain and is on their way to dying,
Speaker 2: I think you have the right to go sooner and
Speaker 2: retain dignity and retain anything else you want to retain.
Speaker 2: Go out on your own terms if you know you're dying,
Speaker 2: especially but maybe there's even other circumstances. But I don't
Speaker 2: want the government determining this. The government, you know, could
Speaker 2: could possibly assist with oversight, but I don't want a
Speaker 2: determination being made by a government agency or just some
Speaker 2: government worker who shows up. Yeah yeah, sure, get it done,
Speaker 2: check mark. You know, I know that wouldn't really happen,
Speaker 2: but I mean virtually it does. Internally, the internal dialogue
Speaker 2: might become you know, look, I got to get this done.
Speaker 2: Let's go. I got ten more cases today. I don't
Speaker 2: need to.
Speaker 3: Think about it.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 4: Look at look at when they came along with Obamacare.
Speaker 4: That was one of the big arguments about you know,
Speaker 4: death panels. Well, you know, this lady's old enough, and
Speaker 4: she's got uh tycoon diabetes, she's got copds, she's got
Speaker 4: liver failures, she's got kidney failures.
Speaker 3: So you know, really we're not going to do anything
Speaker 3: for and that was a big argument.
Speaker 4: You know, Okay, well, then what do you do with
Speaker 4: those people that the government says, well, we're not going
Speaker 4: to pay to try to make them better? Are you're
Speaker 4: going to make them Are you just going to torture
Speaker 4: them by by making them go through whatever it is
Speaker 4: that they have. I mean, it's well, it's kind of
Speaker 4: weird how our government wants to get involved in certain things,
Speaker 4: but they actually show no mercy at all in most
Speaker 4: of their decisions.
Speaker 3: Well that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: That's the thing with these unwanted children sometimes where you know,
Speaker 2: look they want to do this, this, this, this, But
Speaker 2: when it comes down to it, listen, who's going to
Speaker 2: take care of that problem? Now? You know? Oh well,
Speaker 2: you know, never mind that, you know it's bull So
Speaker 2: the bottom line is if you got somebody who as
Speaker 2: a you know, as an adult or maybe even in
Speaker 2: special circumstances, even as a child, if they can rationally
Speaker 2: basically say, look, my life is nothing but suffering, even
Speaker 2: just the act of going on dialysis. I got to
Speaker 2: tell you, if you're sickly overall and your only problem
Speaker 2: is you know, not your only problem is dialysis. Dialysis
Speaker 2: became an exhausting issue for somebody I knew. They basically
Speaker 2: after two years ago into dialysis and hoping that their
Speaker 2: kidneys could be you know, restored in some way. Once
Speaker 2: they were told now you're done the rest of your life,
Speaker 2: you're on the dialysis, you know what, they started having
Speaker 2: a desire to go, and then they started doing things like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe if I don't go to dialysis for
Speaker 2: a week. I'll get sick enough and I'll die. And
Speaker 2: then they would come close to it and it didn't happen,
Speaker 2: and it's and it becomes a whole mess. I say,
Speaker 2: if they've come to that decision, being again of sound mind, clear, listen,
Speaker 2: all I'm going to do is supper let him go.
Speaker 2: I don't know the day. I'm sorry, I've taken up
Speaker 2: a lot of time here on you, but but this
Speaker 2: is a hell of a subject that you get started on.
Speaker 2: I don't know how we got here, but I think
Speaker 2: it's an important one.
Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, I do think it's important. Well,
Speaker 6: we got talking to because Jimmy Carter being on BOSTA,
Speaker 6: so he started sharing our personal stories.
Speaker 2: And that's how it traveled in. Yes, so traveled there.
Speaker 6: But one of the things that was on my mind
Speaker 6: about President Carter's is his presidency. I mean I kind
Speaker 6: of traced it back, even though he may not have
Speaker 6: been full board, but he was part of the father
Speaker 6: it was a shift in politics, and it was he
Speaker 6: was the father of kind of neo liberalists and he
Speaker 6: kind of started the you know, the deregulation, let's deregulate
Speaker 6: certain cources of our autonomy. And I was just thinking
Speaker 6: about his presidency. Even though my family was not Democrat,
Speaker 6: they were never going to vote for a Democrat at
Speaker 6: that time in the household I was growing up in.
Speaker 6: But I mean, he he, I just think what a
Speaker 6: difference in his presidency. I mean, he had the base.
Speaker 6: I think he had to sell his his farming operation,
Speaker 6: had to put all his assets in a blind trust.
Speaker 2: Well apparently he didn't have to. Apparently he didn't have to,
Speaker 2: but that was normal at the time to do that,
Speaker 2: to put yourself in a blind trude. That was that
Speaker 2: was the what do they call that? The Uh, it's
Speaker 2: not like legally you have to, but it's you know,
Speaker 2: since it's common practice, it's what you do. Let me
Speaker 2: ask you something, since you mentioned your household, though being
Speaker 2: very anti Democrat, how did they you know, in general?
Speaker 2: What do you recall? I mean, how were they on forward?
Speaker 2: Was more to joke to somebody who was on the
Speaker 2: right wing or you know, was he just a joke
Speaker 2: to more the Democrat side of things? I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: they were doing Saturday Night Live skits and all that, uh,
Speaker 2: and he was a big joke out there. But I
Speaker 2: mean in a house where you're like, well, Democrats off
Speaker 2: the table, because screw the Democrats. If you're in a
Speaker 2: house like that. How did they feel about Ford as
Speaker 2: you remember? Do you recall how that was for that
Speaker 2: sort of conservative household. Was Ford a good guy or what?
Speaker 6: I think it was more more of a neutral. I think,
Speaker 6: like with like saying like Nixon. I think my my,
Speaker 6: you know, the feedback I got a lot from my father,
Speaker 6: and my father was real political. He was a conservative
Speaker 6: Republican as all his life, a businessman, right, I mean
Speaker 6: we had the news on all the time, and he
Speaker 6: came home for he was the you know news, So
Speaker 6: I mean we were just kind of immersed with the
Speaker 6: news and his basic political views. But he would probably be,
Speaker 6: you know, at that time, probably be kind of very conservative.
Speaker 6: But I think in today's age he would be. You know,
Speaker 6: he was very my father's principal. I think he was
Speaker 6: kind of neutral. I think down he was more of
Speaker 6: a Reagan, you know, Reagan challenged uh Bard in the primaries.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, he was more of you know,
Speaker 6: his issues with Nixon was or he was paranoid. He
Speaker 6: got he was part of the most powerful president. He
Speaker 6: wasn't all bad, but just when you're on top, you know,
Speaker 6: there's only one way down. So he was just kinda
Speaker 6: was his own demise, was his own doing, because of
Speaker 6: his own paranoid So he's.
Speaker 2: So your your father. Your father today would probably be like,
Speaker 2: you know, a uh, not an independent, but would be
Speaker 2: seen as a middle of the road guy, like just
Speaker 2: barely just barely out of reach of what they call roos. Now.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't be conservative enough for the conservatives of today,
Speaker 2: but he definitely wouldn't be a liberal either, So he
Speaker 2: wouldn't be Maga, and he wouldn't be Maga, and he
Speaker 2: wouldn't be endorsing Kamalo right now, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He'd be looking at this going, yeah, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: what to do. But and then you know, maybe he's
Speaker 2: the holdest laws and vote for Trump guy though, because
Speaker 2: it's still Republicans, so I gotta go down.
Speaker 4: Maybe no, Yeah, Thord's biggest downfall was part of Nixon
Speaker 4: with a lot of Republicans. I mean that's what Ford
Speaker 4: was okay to. He pardoned Nixon and then it's like,
Speaker 4: get this guy.
Speaker 3: Out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they had no qualm about the fact that
Speaker 2: the guy had not been elected to be president nor
Speaker 2: vice president.
Speaker 4: You know, well, because Agnew when they I mean, they
Speaker 4: were kind of in a lurch when Agnew got nailed.
Speaker 4: They had to find somebody, so they diverted to Ford.
Speaker 4: And then when Nixon stepped down, Nixon the problem was,
Speaker 4: I don't know that Ford knew that Nixon was set up.
Speaker 4: Ford might have thought Nixon did something, But I think
Speaker 4: if Nixon had ever gone to trial over what was
Speaker 4: done during Watergate, they'd have found out he was set
Speaker 4: up big time.
Speaker 3: Thank you, John Deane.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that would have been revealed at
Speaker 2: that time though, do you think it would have come
Speaker 2: out at that time?
Speaker 3: It would have been down the road.
Speaker 4: But but you know, to just automatically pardon Nixon, then
Speaker 4: you make Nixon look guilty and that you were seeing
Speaker 4: all the safe perhaps, And.
Speaker 3: That's what ruined him with a lot of Republicans is
Speaker 3: when he pared Nixon.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you Carter had one event when Carter tried
Speaker 4: to rescue our hostages and that whole thing went to
Speaker 4: crap in the desert.
Speaker 3: That kind of.
Speaker 4: Sealed That's exactly if he had pulled that off. If
Speaker 4: if he'd have been able to pull that off, he
Speaker 4: might have won reelection.
Speaker 2: He would have won. I think he would have won
Speaker 2: reelection if he had pulled that off. And that's the
Speaker 2: thing about it. You know, It's funny because as much
Speaker 2: as Oliver Stone has proven to be more and more
Speaker 2: of a fruitcake as time goes on, still I think
Speaker 2: he's a great director, but I mean, he's proven to
Speaker 2: be way lost in the woods when it comes to
Speaker 2: the way he used things. One thing he said during
Speaker 2: the very first commentary they recorded for the movie Nick
Speaker 2: is one thousand percent accurate and has turned out to
Speaker 2: be prophetic, which is you know, he said, Look, at
Speaker 2: the time, Nixon was like, you know, the boogeyman of
Speaker 2: political discourse and in you know, polite society. He was awful, right,
Speaker 2: he was. He was terrible. He had to go unless
Speaker 2: you were one of his defenders, you know. But he
Speaker 2: said that over time, what will happen is that history
Speaker 2: will treat him much more kind than any of his
Speaker 2: contemporaries did. And even this first wave of people looking
Speaker 2: at it from the contemporary historical point of view that
Speaker 2: that history will be kinder to Richard Nixon than any
Speaker 2: of his contemporaries were or the media for sure. And
Speaker 2: I think that's proven to be true that everything has
Speaker 2: been a lot more kind to Nixon since he's been gone,
Speaker 2: since he died all that.
Speaker 4: So well, Also, enough stuff has come to life that
Speaker 4: was going on behind the scenes with the CIA and
Speaker 4: other agencies that you know, were pulling some trenanigans around
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the Watson you know, if you.
Speaker 4: Look at when Nixon was coming up and what you know,
Speaker 4: the only my.
Speaker 3: Biggest complaint with Nixon was that he waited until his
Speaker 3: second term to get us out of Vietnam. Absolutely could
Speaker 3: have done that at first time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. But the thing about it is, I still say
Speaker 2: though that Oliver Stone was one hundred percent correct when
Speaker 2: he said that, you know, on that commentary.
Speaker 3: Was the history has been much kinder than Nixon man
Speaker 3: was during this day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And part of the reason is exactly what you
Speaker 2: just brought up is over time, more things have come out,
Speaker 2: it's come more to light. You know, Hey, there was
Speaker 2: it wasn't just Nixon running a criminal operation all by himself,
Speaker 2: and how criminal really was it? And quite frankly, it
Speaker 2: also echeres in my head that thing from the Frost
Speaker 2: interview where he kind of says, look, if the president
Speaker 2: does it, it's not illegal. That's still ringing with me
Speaker 2: because of this, uh you know, giant Chevron decision that
Speaker 2: happened with the Supreme Court. That is effectively what they said,
Speaker 2: you know, if the president does it, you just got
Speaker 2: to add one thing as an official act. It's not illegal, period,
Speaker 2: I mean, and that's pretty much what they said. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I don't want to get deep into that because we
Speaker 2: got other callers, So I want to put you on hold, man,
Speaker 2: but I also want to give you a chance to
Speaker 2: put a cap on all this. Or should I just
Speaker 2: go to next caller and try and get back around
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 6: What? Well, other than that, I have more, Yeah, go
Speaker 6: go get another caller, because it's you know, I want
Speaker 6: to share my term. But I got a lot of
Speaker 6: thoughts about the Carter presidency and just kind of that
Speaker 6: sure what could have been, what should have been, and
Speaker 6: some pivotal stuff looking at him in history. You know
Speaker 6: that even some of the still just going on with
Speaker 6: the Middle East, you know, it's still going on today
Speaker 6: and it was it was in you know, Carter, the
Speaker 6: Carter some of the some of what was going on
Speaker 6: at that time in the seventies, it's still going on
Speaker 6: today in the middle yeah, which is still yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What you mean, what you effectively mean to say
Speaker 2: is we are still enduring what partially was set into
Speaker 2: motion during the time Carter was in the in the
Speaker 2: White House, right. I mean, that's effectively what you mean,
Speaker 2: and I agree, absolutely, I agree. Part of what we're
Speaker 2: looking at today is based on, you know, mistakes or
Speaker 2: things that weren't mistakes at the time that became mistakes
Speaker 2: later during exactly that time period. Uh and quite frankly,
Speaker 2: there was a bunch of people, if you look back,
Speaker 2: that were kind of telling you then that this was
Speaker 2: going to be what it ended up being. Uh, so
Speaker 2: on and so forth. So I'm gonna put you on hold,
Speaker 2: and we're going to go on over to Jimmy James
Speaker 2: and see what he's got on his mind. This stuff
Speaker 2: might be right up, as Allie might not. I guess
Speaker 2: we'll see, because as for this show, I want to
Speaker 2: hear from you. Three one nine five two seven five
Speaker 2: zero one six. That's the number to call, and Jimmy James,
Speaker 2: what you got on your mind this Friday?
Speaker 10: Oh boy, their friends.
Speaker 6: I was watching a news.
Speaker 11: Segment the boy did he kick me off? You have
Speaker 11: much dancer for chuckle, Telly.
Speaker 4: I have much to answer of your fellow New Jersey.
Speaker 11: Yes much cancer. Go ahead, you and all the other
Speaker 11: New Jersey and devils.
Speaker 2: What about the New Jersey Devils? What about us? What's up?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 11: I was just, you know, my my own business, would
Speaker 11: some clips from local stations, you know, and I caught
Speaker 11: on it started out, I just well before that, even
Speaker 11: the Washington Post shops the pictures of the president of
Speaker 11: the Longshoreman's Unions. I don't know what else to call
Speaker 11: castle in New Jersey. He's got a seven car garage yacht,
Speaker 11: a Bentley. So anyways, then I watched this local yocal
Speaker 11: news clip.
Speaker 10: You know, if I'm talking.
Speaker 11: And this guy's sitting there out just flat out threatening
Speaker 11: the people of the citizens of the United States. Yeah, well,
Speaker 11: you know, in a few weeks, it's gonna be real
Speaker 11: hard to get a car around here. It's gonna be
Speaker 11: real hard to get toilet paper. Ain't gonna be a
Speaker 11: lot of ship tickets.
Speaker 3: I like, what the hell this guy think?
Speaker 10: He's the head of the damn Gambino family.
Speaker 11: Threatening the people of the United states.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what you do with me? As they had
Speaker 2: the long and by the way, the only local news
Speaker 2: that you could get out of Jersey would be News twelve.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: That's the only like established TV station that's in Jersey.
Speaker 2: Everything else is either Philly or New York that carries this.
Speaker 2: But Philly or New York might come into Jersey to
Speaker 2: talk to a guy like this. Was it News twelve?
Speaker 2: By the way, you happen to remember.
Speaker 10: I can't remember this station. I just remember it's in
Speaker 10: New Jersey.
Speaker 11: It had to have been because it's a local news.
Speaker 2: Crew, Okay. If it's a totally localized news crew, like
Speaker 2: not one of those ones you see out of New
Speaker 2: York or Philly, Okay, then it has to come from
Speaker 2: New News twelve has been a it was a UHF
Speaker 2: station years ago and somehow it has continued to survive
Speaker 2: through all the cable incarnations. And it's like the only
Speaker 2: I mean WWR Channel nine is also New Jersey based. Uh,
Speaker 2: but they they half the time they count themselves in
Speaker 2: New York station. So it's weird. Even though the broadcast
Speaker 2: tower and the facilities used to be in Secaucus, New Jersey.
Speaker 2: No Lie Channel nine in New York. But the only
Speaker 2: thing that survived and has constant news broadcasts. And I
Speaker 2: don't know how they get away with this, but it's
Speaker 2: like CNN, but just for New Jersey is News twelve. Okay,
Speaker 2: and it's the weirdest thing now I can imagine. And
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is this guy Italian? Because sounds
Speaker 2: to me like it's the guy who got the presidency
Speaker 2: of the Union because of Italian businessman and then also
Speaker 2: look on his finger for a freemason ring. Those two
Speaker 2: things put together, boom boom. This guy is probably a
Speaker 2: guy who could literally stop cars from coming into the
Speaker 2: United States, who could stop parts from coming into the
Speaker 2: United States, who could control containers with a couple of
Speaker 2: phone calls and put people to stop working or to
Speaker 2: start making miss et cetera, et cetera, or to not
Speaker 2: show up and get you know, some kind of green
Speaker 2: flu and green meaning that you're gonna have to make
Speaker 2: some payoffs in order to get the flu to go away. Okay.
Speaker 2: And probably that's the guy who's sitting there going, you
Speaker 2: know what, maybe you don't elect Trump and I and
Speaker 2: I've already heard this, by the way, you don't elect Trump.
Speaker 2: Our unions are gonna do messed up things and we're
Speaker 2: gonna cause you problems. This is being presented to people
Speaker 2: in that area of the country. Is this one of
Speaker 2: those guys.
Speaker 10: He's definitely one of them guys. But I didn't know
Speaker 10: he added in for Trump.
Speaker 2: No, not in for Trump. He's backing them. See a
Speaker 2: lot of these union guys are back in Trump and saying,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't do the right thing, We're gonna
Speaker 2: throw a monkey a monkey wrench in the works. And
Speaker 2: they could based on their con trolls of the unions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he sure could.
Speaker 10: He made that plane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he speaking about it. Yeah, go ahead me, Pete.
Speaker 5: Oh, I've had nothing to say.
Speaker 3: I was listening to YouTube.
Speaker 2: Oh. I was kind of hoping you had something to
Speaker 2: chine in about it or.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the unions. You know, it's funny that
Speaker 3: some union's fireman's.
Speaker 4: Union decided they're not going to endorse somebody. Another union
Speaker 4: says we're not going to endorse somebody. You know, they
Speaker 4: do a poll of the of the teamsters and they
Speaker 4: find out that it's sixty percent Trump, thirty some are
Speaker 4: percentt Kamala, you know, but it's the leadership that decides
Speaker 4: who they're going to back, and I think it's very
Speaker 4: telling that and I find it frustrating.
Speaker 3: Like the Fireman.
Speaker 4: Association Union, we're not going to endorse anybody, Okay, So
Speaker 4: what you're telling us is you're not going to indorse
Speaker 4: the person that you normally endorse because you go by party.
Speaker 4: But it's so bad that you're not going to step
Speaker 4: out on that limb and not endorse them. But you
Speaker 4: can't endorse the other person. To me, that's just a
Speaker 4: bullshit way out of it. That's just weaseling out of
Speaker 4: the whole situation. The rank and file thinks one thing,
Speaker 4: the management thinks something else. The management is getting rich
Speaker 4: to the hilt. I mean, these guys are land bearings
Speaker 4: that run these damn unions, and you wonder where they're
Speaker 4: making all the money. You know, it's kind of like AOC.
Speaker 4: You know, she's making one hundred and fifty five thousand
Speaker 4: dollars a year house she worked twenty nine million dollars.
Speaker 4: Now you know it's only been there a few years.
Speaker 4: What the hell's going on?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 4: Yeah, good, when you just started out, it was a
Speaker 4: good thing. I mean, yes, they did bring us some things,
Speaker 4: some things that Kamala gives them credit for actually came
Speaker 4: about through Henry Ford and other people that were doing
Speaker 4: things to try to make their workers happy.
Speaker 3: But unions at the point right now.
Speaker 4: They can pull the strike, all this thing, setting off
Speaker 4: this strike until after the election, until inauguration day.
Speaker 3: If you think about it, all they do.
Speaker 4: All that does is signal to the world that, Okay,
Speaker 4: management kind of deal with the Democrats. We're going to
Speaker 4: back off. We're gonna let the election run because it
Speaker 4: might hurt Kamala. So okay, we're gonna wait. If if
Speaker 4: Kamala wins, we expect our sixty five percent increase and
Speaker 4: a couple other things come January.
Speaker 3: If we don't get it, then we'll strike.
Speaker 4: And if Trump comes in, we're just gonna strike because
Speaker 4: we can.
Speaker 2: Well see now, that's.
Speaker 3: All it comes down to. They're just delaying the inevitable.
Speaker 2: Now that may be true all what you just laid out,
Speaker 2: but you know it goes in both directions, believe it
Speaker 2: or not, because I've heard the other way around. Now
Speaker 2: I believe you that there's people that would back Kamala,
Speaker 2: but they're not and all that. But here's the thing,
Speaker 2: there's the other side of that too, where they're going neutral,
Speaker 2: and it's because their rank and file is different from them,
Speaker 2: and it's slipped both ways. Like I said, I've heard
Speaker 2: from the other side of you know, look, we're going
Speaker 2: for Trump, and what happens is the rank and file
Speaker 2: is going to go into a revolt because they definitely
Speaker 2: outnumber the Trumpers in some places. Right, this is the
Speaker 2: way I've heard it, and they're going, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you're not going to do that. That's not what the
Speaker 2: majority of the union wants. So they drop back, don't
Speaker 2: endorse anybody. That way, they don't have the trouble from
Speaker 2: their rank and file. They can keep business as usual
Speaker 2: rolling and keep their control, but they might actually have
Speaker 2: these guys revolt against them. Now it does go the
Speaker 2: other way too, where it's like, well, I want to
Speaker 2: back Kamala, but most of my rank and file wants
Speaker 2: to back Trump. And if I piss them, if you
Speaker 2: turn around and you tell a rank and file that's
Speaker 2: back in Trump, I'm going to back Kamala, they might
Speaker 2: try and kick his ass out of there. Because they
Speaker 2: do still have the power to remove these guys, some
Speaker 2: of them, not all, but some of them. So the
Speaker 2: guys that could suffer you know, a let's have a
Speaker 2: new election, uh situation and get a new head.
Speaker 3: And yet yeah, well I'll give you credit for that.
Speaker 4: But just as a side, I have yet to see
Speaker 4: any poll of rank and file of any any union
Speaker 4: that doesn't support Trump when you talk when you even
Speaker 4: even that, well, unless you get to the National Teachers Association.
Speaker 4: Other than that, I think for the most part, the teamsters,
Speaker 4: the longshoreman.
Speaker 3: I think rank and file they know they were better
Speaker 3: off for Trump.
Speaker 4: And you can say what you want about Trump's economy
Speaker 4: and how certain people benefited from it, but I mean
Speaker 4: the I R S had to come out and say
Speaker 4: that with Trump's tax cups, every tax bracket benefited from
Speaker 4: what Trump did. Now, a lot of people may not
Speaker 4: have seen it. You've made the comment that you don't
Speaker 4: know anybody that benefited from uh Trump's tax policies. But
Speaker 4: when the I R S has to admit it because
Speaker 4: they can't argue again instant that it benefited all the
Speaker 4: tax brackets. That's what the rank and file looks at.
Speaker 4: They vote off their wallet. A lot of people in
Speaker 4: management and the elite forget that, but here they can
Speaker 4: file are going to vote based on their wallet regardless
Speaker 4: of what the damn union does. And when they came
Speaker 4: out with these rulings where automatic dudes are taken out
Speaker 4: of your paycheck and going to the union.
Speaker 3: When that ended, you saw a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Drop out of the unions simply because they were tired
Speaker 4: of their money going to support things politically that they
Speaker 4: didn't support.
Speaker 3: But that's my big problem.
Speaker 2: That's my point about the non endorsement right there is
Speaker 2: that either way it goes. But here's the one thing
Speaker 2: I want you to consider, and then I'll leave it alone.
Speaker 2: And maybe this is a you know, when you see
Speaker 2: a neutral, it's really somebody who wanted to back Kamala.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's true. But I warn you about two things here. One,
Speaker 2: if somebody's conducting this poll, take a look sometimes at
Speaker 2: these polls and make sure that it's not the union
Speaker 2: conducting the poll. Remember that because you think it's beyond
Speaker 2: them to manipulate a poll number. They might want appearances
Speaker 2: to be a certain way, don't forget from the top,
Speaker 2: and they'll create a situation per result, you got an
Speaker 2: independent polster, somebody's not the union conducting the poll. Remember
Speaker 2: also that in order to get that union list, well,
Speaker 2: they might be dependent upon or they might go to
Speaker 2: the union in the first place. Who has the ability
Speaker 2: to manipulate the list. Okay, so just keep that in
Speaker 2: mind when you're looking at well, the majority of the
Speaker 2: rank and file says this, well, according to who collected
Speaker 2: the data and how they do it. One. Two. Just
Speaker 2: because you get a result in a poll doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that it's absolutely accurate. I mean, we question these polls
Speaker 2: all the time, no matter how they do them. I
Speaker 2: got to tell you some of these national polls, I
Speaker 2: don't actually know anybody who's taken a poll now in
Speaker 2: a long long time, be pete, and I'm talking a
Speaker 2: couple of decades. Whereas I used to know people that
Speaker 2: took poles got involved. I mean, hell, I was even
Speaker 2: a Nielsen family at one point, right, I knew people.
Speaker 2: But there's been a time period here where I'm telling
Speaker 2: you there's been zero. I mean, I haven't even heard
Speaker 2: of another individual actually taking a poll now past ten
Speaker 2: years at all. So you know, keep in mind if
Speaker 2: you're looking at these polls, I'm just saying that results
Speaker 2: or even the list of people that are able to
Speaker 2: go after the poll might be played with a little. Okay,
Speaker 2: so just keep that in mind as you go forward.
Speaker 2: It's not always accurate because you know, look if I
Speaker 2: feed you, if I tell you go take a poll
Speaker 2: of the people at work, you know, at your job,
Speaker 2: and you got ten people there, and I point you
Speaker 2: to five of them because I know how five of
Speaker 2: them are going to answer, and I give you the
Speaker 2: five that are going to get the answer I want
Speaker 2: you to get. You see what I'm saying. I'll just
Speaker 2: tell you these five people work here. Now, I didn't lie.
Speaker 2: I just didn't include the other five people. I know
Speaker 2: they're going to answer a different way. You see what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I see exactly what you mean.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, I'm just just pointing that out, not trying
Speaker 2: to say that that's all there is to it, but
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I think it's a factor. Keeping in
Speaker 2: mind that's all anyway. Enough fact.
Speaker 4: Political Yeah, political pole has been tossed out the windows
Speaker 4: here for a couple of years.
Speaker 3: I mean they've been wrong what three election cycles now?
Speaker 4: So well, yeah, some that we're hearing about state races
Speaker 4: and that I really don't put much faith into them
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they found out that people were you know the
Speaker 3: old exit polls.
Speaker 4: Remember that's how they used to predict who's going to
Speaker 4: win based on exit polling after on the day of voting. Yep,
Speaker 4: And they found out that a lot of people And
Speaker 4: this started back.
Speaker 3: I think back in Obama's second term.
Speaker 4: A lot of people were coming out of the poling
Speaker 4: and then they were given you know, different answers than
Speaker 4: the way they actually voted, and its chewed the exit
Speaker 4: polls so bad.
Speaker 2: Well that's the.
Speaker 3: Other one time it was like Obama was gonna have
Speaker 3: a landslide. You know, it was hilarious.
Speaker 2: Well that's the other problem is look, even in the
Speaker 2: case that they say everything is razor thin, da da
Speaker 2: da da da, Well, here's the truth. Depending on the situation.
Speaker 2: Somebody who let's just say you're you're a serious Trump
Speaker 2: support supporter, and you don't want to identify yourself as
Speaker 2: a Trump supporter because you know, you've had people giving
Speaker 2: you crap or the other way around. You don't want
Speaker 2: to be a Kamala supporter because god, you know, like
Speaker 2: right now, I wouldn't go into the local coffee shop
Speaker 2: and be talking right now, Hey, I'm I'm big on Kamala.
Speaker 2: Anybody want to talk about it. I wouldn't do that
Speaker 2: in the local coffee shop. You know, for the most part,
Speaker 2: if people ask me, and the truth is, you know,
Speaker 2: if they ask me, who are you voting for? I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll be honest. But if they go at me with
Speaker 2: the whole yeah, well are you against Trump? I might
Speaker 2: not answer that honestly in public here, depending on.
Speaker 4: How After what I've seen the last week in the
Speaker 4: response to government, I was going to set this election out.
Speaker 3: But next week I'm going down and registry and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna vote for Trump. See this is what I've seen.
Speaker 3: I mean that when I found out that they blew
Speaker 3: all this.
Speaker 4: Femal money on damn illegal immigrants, over a billion dollars
Speaker 4: just in the past what eighteen months, And now they're
Speaker 4: saying they don't have money for the next hurricane, that
Speaker 4: we don't have money now to take care of what
Speaker 4: we need to do.
Speaker 3: That's it I'm getting in this one. I'm voting for Trump.
Speaker 4: Get this administration that we've got in here, these bluffoons
Speaker 4: out of office.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I'm so sick of it. But among
Speaker 2: a certain crowd or at a certain time, or because
Speaker 2: you so don't trust the pollster. Some of these guys
Speaker 2: are not necessarily given an accurate answer. Or I got
Speaker 2: to tell you another story. I heard. Another theory I
Speaker 2: heard from somebody. Again, I've not heard from anybody who's
Speaker 2: taken a poll, But another theory I heard is, you know,
Speaker 2: some of these people, if they get polled and they
Speaker 2: don't you know, it's a blind poll, somebody calls them
Speaker 2: up on the phone. There are some people that think
Speaker 2: that these pollsters work for the government, and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe some of them do, but they work for the government,
Speaker 2: and they give them an answer based on the fact
Speaker 2: that they think that the government will give them trouble.
Speaker 2: You know, they might identify them and give them trouble
Speaker 2: depending on the answer they give them. Like if you
Speaker 2: tell somebody who's currently part of the Democrat administration, because
Speaker 2: that's who's polling you, that you're a Trump supporter, they're
Speaker 2: going to open you up the crap. So they might
Speaker 2: be saying, no, I support Kamala or I don't have
Speaker 2: I'm undecided. That's another BS thing. I don't know anybody
Speaker 2: who could possibly be undecided at this point, but they
Speaker 2: might say undecided or they might say something else because
Speaker 2: they think this person on the other end of the
Speaker 2: phone as a government agent and will give me a
Speaker 2: problem if I say anything other than Kamala or neutral.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's the theory that was thrown at
Speaker 2: me that I thought was kind of sound as well.
Speaker 2: People are going to answer these polls for different reasons
Speaker 2: in different ways, but they don't.
Speaker 3: Why would they have to go to that.
Speaker 4: Every one of these major polling institutions tells you that
Speaker 4: they've heavily sided with the Democrat. They've overpolled the Democrats
Speaker 4: side of things. If they tell you that Trump's up
Speaker 4: by two, now you can bet he's up by six.
Speaker 3: If they tell you you Kamala is a head by four,
Speaker 3: she might be a head by two.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's been the problem with polling the past
Speaker 4: three cycles. Everybody has said, Look, they admit they overpoll Democrats.
Speaker 4: When it comes to this, you're not even getting a
Speaker 4: square result. I mean, they can't be I don't know why,
Speaker 4: but they just refuse to be honest when it comes
Speaker 4: to things like that, right, the polling agencies and the media,
Speaker 4: it's all dude. I mean, there's an agenda out there
Speaker 4: and they're following it to a team.
Speaker 3: They're doing everything they can in the gate. Kamala calls
Speaker 3: for them goal line, but I'm just.
Speaker 4: Saying she doesn't have to do anything or say anything. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's a good Yeah, it's a worthless nowadays.
Speaker 2: But that's my point, is that they're worthless because there's
Speaker 2: all kinds of phantom results coming out for different reasons.
Speaker 2: And I'm just trying to.
Speaker 3: Point out a union pole.
Speaker 4: I don't when some agency sits there and takes up
Speaker 4: a poll with union members asking how the rank and
Speaker 4: file feel, I put more credence into that than I
Speaker 4: do these political polls that we're seeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well see all of them. I question because again,
Speaker 2: who is giving them the list? Right? And what list
Speaker 2: did they give them so they could go because you're
Speaker 2: going to get given a list at some point BPTE, right,
Speaker 2: And the thing is somebody decides who's on that list,
Speaker 2: and maybe who's not, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: it could be just using the excuse of this person
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be bothered, so you know, take me
Speaker 2: off all lists. Kind of person. They could just say
Speaker 2: that that person did that and boom, okay, don't know
Speaker 2: contact on this one. You know what I mean anyway,
Speaker 2: way dogs are speaking up good.
Speaker 4: When when you're polling a group of individuals to see
Speaker 4: what that body thinks, it's not like polling the general
Speaker 4: public or the voting public.
Speaker 3: You know, And that's something else you have to pay
Speaker 3: attention to when the poll comes out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they voted likely voters, or they polled registered voters.
Speaker 4: They polled just the general public. You know, that has
Speaker 4: a lot of sway on the answer you're going to get.
Speaker 4: But when you set out to poll a specific group
Speaker 4: like a union rank and file, I would think you'd
Speaker 4: have a little more control on it. I would trust
Speaker 4: those results more than I would from general political poll.
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm saying, I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, in my mind, there's just as
Speaker 2: many pitfalls and ways to play with it. Like I
Speaker 2: saw one that said, you know, uh, pulling from I
Speaker 2: forget how they phrased it exactly, but basically it was
Speaker 2: like people in the tech industry, We've just pulled people
Speaker 2: that have tech jobs pretty much, and this is what
Speaker 2: they thought. And then we pulled people that were restaurant
Speaker 2: workers right in a particular place, Like restaurant workers in
Speaker 2: the Northeast. Let's say it was that wasn't what it was,
Speaker 2: but it was something like that. You know, where did
Speaker 2: they get that list? B Pete? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They had to have gotten a list of people. These
Speaker 2: are restaurant workers. Where was that collected and who edited
Speaker 2: it before it was given to the posters. Even if
Speaker 2: they're doing one hundred percent honest job and they got
Speaker 2: a dishonest list.
Speaker 3: They didn't have a list, or they didn't have a list.
Speaker 4: Maybe they just walked out there restaurant and restaurants started
Speaker 4: talking to workers.
Speaker 2: Well in some cases they did, but in other cases
Speaker 2: they mixed it where it's like, well this was taken
Speaker 2: from us, you know, going place to place, people hear
Speaker 2: that they cut it off. But also they got some
Speaker 2: of that list from somewhere else, and people stopped listening
Speaker 2: at a certain point. You know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, the pitfalls are there no matter how you
Speaker 2: try and conduct these poles. And as far as reliability,
Speaker 2: as of late, I haven't seen a good polling, you know,
Speaker 2: not even Pew or any of those places that allegedly
Speaker 2: do research. They're not even coming up with solid predicted poles.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying to myself, there's different ways these things
Speaker 2: are being skewed. In some cases, it could be the methodology,
Speaker 2: it could be the actual people they're sourcing, and in
Speaker 2: other cases it could be the people themselves deciding. Like
Speaker 2: I said, if they think in their mind, even though
Speaker 2: it's incorrect, this is a government worker. Well they're connected
Speaker 2: to this or that part of the government. So you
Speaker 2: got to give Kam a point or say that you're undecided,
Speaker 2: so that you're not, you know, along with Trump, because
Speaker 2: his whole thing, and many of his followers things, is
Speaker 2: we all have a target on our back, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So anyway, I'll leave it at that. Jimmy, James,
Speaker 2: go ahead. I might take a break after letting you
Speaker 2: roll a little. Go ahead, Jimmy.
Speaker 11: No, I'd agree with that.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 10: I'd say polls are about as accurate as the weather podcasts.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 10: So they might, yeah, would not count on them.
Speaker 2: They might go generally in the right direction, but watch
Speaker 2: the methodology and where they got it from, right, Uh.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 11: Just writing down some stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, there's been a couple of polls that were weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's been a couple of polls that were weird recently.
Speaker 2: Jimmy James, I gotta say, I just saw him go
Speaker 2: by in a flash during a news story, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's one of those we decided to pull, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, students, a voting age of colleges, you know.
Speaker 2: And I go, Okay, that really doesn't tell me all
Speaker 2: about your control group here, you know, or or your sample,
Speaker 2: but okay, and some of those polls have come out
Speaker 2: pretty weird, and I go, well, I wonder if somebody
Speaker 2: just made that crap up, you know, let's just make
Speaker 2: it sound nice and close so that we're not too
Speaker 2: far off with they split it, and it's even remotely close,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like they'll say fifty seven
Speaker 2: and they just think that it's a majority of people.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, I don't think they sourced anything. It's just
Speaker 2: it was what it was.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't even know how I was thinking of
Speaker 10: this the other day.
Speaker 6: I just can't.
Speaker 10: I can't think of a way it would even.
Speaker 6: Be possible to happen an actual accurate poll.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 10: I mean, the days of landlines and three TV stations
Speaker 10: is so long gone.
Speaker 6: Right, The people you they literally, the all the people
Speaker 6: that take polls, long people get paid.
Speaker 10: To take those things long surveys and things is such,
Speaker 10: so everything slanted.
Speaker 6: So I have not I just.
Speaker 10: I have no idea. Who's been to one of the
Speaker 10: presidential race.
Speaker 11: None whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I know who I want to wong, right,
Speaker 2: But I gotta tell you I'm not feeling as uh
Speaker 2: as strong about my prediction as I as I was
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. Even I don't know which way
Speaker 2: we're actually gonna go here?
Speaker 3: You know what? What? What? Scoot weight? Huh what? Back up?
Speaker 2: I don't know which way we're gonna go here. I
Speaker 2: almost feel like they're they're changing what's happening now for
Speaker 2: a year.
Speaker 4: The Trump's gonna win, it's all been predicted, it's all
Speaker 4: set up. This is gonna fall by the wayside, and
Speaker 4: we're gonna be going to Trump's coordination.
Speaker 2: No, I still no, I'm not weasling at all. I'm
Speaker 2: just telling you I don't feel as confident. I'm still there.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting weasley. I'm still there. Hey, no weasel here.
Speaker 2: I am still confident that you know that we're there,
Speaker 2: But I'm not as confident as I was I tell
Speaker 2: you that it still looks like the fix is in
Speaker 2: and it's going that way when it comes to certain
Speaker 2: things like all that stuff I told you about the
Speaker 2: legal situation stand by at one hundred percent. But but
Speaker 2: when it comes to exactly what they might pull here,
Speaker 2: and I'm starting to weaken a little bit. Not by much.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to explain that, not by much,
Speaker 2: but I don't feel that rock solid absolute that I
Speaker 2: did before. Uh, But I'm still with it. I'm still
Speaker 2: with the idea that this is exactly what was you know, planned,
Speaker 2: this is the way we're going, and I think some
Speaker 2: things are going to be obvious right there at the
Speaker 2: end when it happens.
Speaker 3: But hello, my name is Chuck, and I'm starting to waffle.
Speaker 2: Nah, it's not starting to waffle, just not feeling as
Speaker 2: look you ever you ever like go? Hmm. I got
Speaker 2: a few doubt maybe, but still you're on the same train.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm at. I'm staying there.
Speaker 5: No, you were so dead said that this whole thing
Speaker 5: was orchestrated.
Speaker 3: What did somebody tell you to see music on you
Speaker 3: or what?
Speaker 2: I'm just not seeing. I'm not seeing certain signs that
Speaker 2: I that I anticipated yet Okay, that's all is that
Speaker 2: can turn around in the next two weeks and I
Speaker 2: could be exactly right back to Nope, I'm done. It's
Speaker 2: exactly what I thought it was. But I will be
Speaker 2: rather shocked if it doesn't go the way I've always said. Okay,
Speaker 2: but they might make it close. They might make it
Speaker 2: a close one or look close anyway. Yeah, but the reality,
Speaker 2: the reality of the way people are, there's no way
Speaker 2: in hell that she should win. And the reality is
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he should win. So you know, before I
Speaker 2: thought they would steal it doesn't matter if he's got
Speaker 2: ten percent of the vote, they're going to steal it
Speaker 2: from him. But at this point, well.
Speaker 6: Think about this.
Speaker 4: We've got what six states that we now have issues
Speaker 4: with people being able to get to the polls. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and North Carolina was a swing state. George is a
Speaker 4: swing state. Yeah, Florida, of course. But I mean, what
Speaker 4: are they going to do now We're two weeks away
Speaker 4: from early voting, and we've got we got people that
Speaker 4: still haven't been able to make.
Speaker 3: Contact with the outside world yet now they're going to vote.
Speaker 2: Now some places have already started taking their early ballots,
Speaker 2: so and I'm telling you now, I think, Uh, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a whole lot of dispute and controversy, if
Speaker 2: you will, that's gonna happen everywhere, all over the place,
Speaker 2: no matter who allegedly wins. There's gonna be questions all
Speaker 2: over the map. I'm sure that one. No whapple, they're
Speaker 2: no backing off, no softening. We're gonna see that no
Speaker 2: matter who wins. Okay, but uh, but the actual end
Speaker 2: result of this, I still say it's it's still in
Speaker 2: the pocket. It's still his. That's all there is to it.
Speaker 2: But I'm just kind of not feeling quite as confident.
Speaker 2: There's a few things missing here that I should be seeing.
Speaker 4: With the vial thirty thirty two days left, I think
Speaker 4: until the election, we'll just see, how about to get
Speaker 4: the waffle meter out to see how you are next week?
Speaker 2: Not know what's what's gonna happen here is I need
Speaker 2: to see. Okay, one major let's call it a scandal.
Speaker 2: There's one major scandal that has not dropped close to
Speaker 2: the election like it should have. Yet I'm waiting for
Speaker 2: the major scandal.
Speaker 4: Probably three or four didn't look don't think the Democrats don't.
Speaker 3: Have crap behind there, you know.
Speaker 4: Up their sleeve that they're gonna be slinging against the
Speaker 4: wall in the next three weeks.
Speaker 3: You're gonna hear all kinds of crap.
Speaker 2: I think, well, I don't know all I'm seeing so far,
Speaker 2: and it's funny because I saw children. I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: Jimmy on hold, and then we're gonna go to a break. Okay, uh,
Speaker 2: But then I want to get back around to whoever
Speaker 2: and if anybody calls in New, I want to get
Speaker 2: to him. Three one nine, five two seven five zero
Speaker 2: one six. We're gonna take a break, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you this, I need to see one major, one
Speaker 2: major scandal, okay, brand new something pulled against Trump and
Speaker 2: then a counter pulled against Kamala. Because I'm listening to
Speaker 2: children talk earlier, I took Frankie out to the store,
Speaker 2: took him for a walk, and they started talking about
Speaker 2: whether they knew it or not, the election. What they
Speaker 2: are is totally annoyed at the commercials on YouTube. That's
Speaker 2: what it is, okay, And they don't care about politics,
Speaker 2: these kids. You know, Frankie's sort of aware, but he
Speaker 2: fell right in with him and they're just they're just
Speaker 2: kids talking about this, and they're annoyed as hell, and
Speaker 2: they don't care that it's a political commercial or nothing.
Speaker 2: They're sick of seeing the lady who's either delusional is
Speaker 2: the word they use. She's either delusional or she's a liar.
Speaker 2: And that's the end of her. Okay, that's all they're
Speaker 2: taking from it, that lady I'm sick of see in
Speaker 2: her face. She's a delusional or a liar. That's the
Speaker 2: end of her. Okay. And and and Trump, he doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense, and he wants to uh, he wants
Speaker 2: to see he's telling us about people eating dogs and
Speaker 2: he's out of his mind. Meanwhile, it was cats, I think.
Speaker 2: But he's he's telling people about eating dogs and ducks.
Speaker 2: It was cats and geese. But you know in Ohio,
Speaker 2: of course, Ohio. That is literally what they're taking away
Speaker 2: from their annoyance with the commercials on YouTube. What do
Speaker 2: you think of that?
Speaker 3: BP, I can understand the annoyance, you know.
Speaker 4: I just don't understand how media companies can take money
Speaker 4: for putting blatant lies on TV as often as they do.
Speaker 3: They're an election season. I've never understood that.
Speaker 4: There's no there's no ethics left in politics, plain and simple.
Speaker 2: Well, I love the fact that people are and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to name which party, but you do know
Speaker 2: there's been ai manipulation of audio and video and everything
Speaker 2: now right on. Yeah, more than one can.
Speaker 3: But these ads that they're running, this is all Kamala.
Speaker 3: It's her words. She said it a thousand times.
Speaker 4: And it's just the part I hate is I'm up
Speaker 4: at four o'clock to get ready to go into work
Speaker 4: and that's when they run all these damn things back
Speaker 4: to back. You see the same commercial, you know, six
Speaker 4: times in a thirty minute news podcast, and plus it's
Speaker 4: the same two commercials, one for Trump, one for Kamala,
Speaker 4: but one for Trump, one for Kamala right, two.
Speaker 3: For sports betting maps. Yeah, but that's all political.
Speaker 4: Sports betting, political political sports betting. It does like that
Speaker 4: for three hours in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not. But that's not the way YouTube and
Speaker 2: TikTok are running. I'm telling you there is a ton
Speaker 2: of manipulated stuff out there where they're putting words into
Speaker 2: everybody's mouth. And by the way, if you want to
Speaker 2: look at the two main candidates for the presidency, both
Speaker 2: of them are getting hit with this and it's crazy
Speaker 2: what's happening, and what's happening there is that there are
Speaker 2: some people.
Speaker 4: I hate to recommend it, but people go out there
Speaker 4: and get you a YouTube premium subscription. I mean, you
Speaker 4: don't have to watch those ridiculous ads.
Speaker 3: Well, you can get rid of it that. I can't
Speaker 3: do that with a TV though.
Speaker 2: No, that's one app. That's one app that you can
Speaker 2: eliminate it if you want to pay Google some money.
Speaker 2: But what I'm telling you is that stuff that's on
Speaker 2: TikTok and other platforms is out there. Some of it
Speaker 2: is ads, and some of it looks like ads, but
Speaker 2: it's not even ads. It's just stuff that comes up
Speaker 2: in your feeds. Seriously, there are shorts coming out.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't take talk, so would that's the least
Speaker 3: of my worries. Yeah, but there are shorts.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, But there are shorts on YouTube that pretty
Speaker 2: much look like political ads and they're not. And there
Speaker 2: are people out there. They're trying to figure out who's
Speaker 2: doing it. Supposedly, uh, but there are people out there
Speaker 2: releasing tons and tons of this stuff. You can't tell
Speaker 2: it apart from the political ads in a lot of places.
Speaker 2: So it's getting weirder. Like I said, the kids, it's
Speaker 2: just like I told you that Kamala. They're sick of
Speaker 2: her face and she's either delusional or she's a liar,
Speaker 2: and that's it. And Trump they're back on the you know,
Speaker 2: the people are eating pets in Ohio, Springfield, Ohio. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that's the bottom line. I'm telling you that a
Speaker 2: bunch of children and simple minded adults, that's all they're
Speaker 2: going to see is that. And it's going to be
Speaker 2: way louder the AI crap and all that. It's going
Speaker 2: to be way louder than anything else. Plus we're getting
Speaker 2: choked to death by these ads like you're talking about
Speaker 2: on broadcast, and oh on your streaming services too. You
Speaker 2: know that streaming services are doing the same thing where
Speaker 2: you're getting banged by one each one each Kamala, you know,
Speaker 2: or Trump than Trump than Kamala. And they'll even switch
Speaker 2: the order. They don't even maintain the orders, back and forth,
Speaker 2: back and forth, one and one, one and one. Even
Speaker 2: during your streamers that we have, you know, okay, you
Speaker 2: can have Hulu or whatever with the commercials. Yeah, your
Speaker 2: streaming commercials run that way too. So here we go
Speaker 2: the world of AI and battling ads and people's crap
Speaker 2: that they're making up, So rumoring innuendo has plenty of
Speaker 2: platforms just saying and fake stuff.
Speaker 4: The thing is run though, is there's so much effort
Speaker 4: to make up stuff, but if you listen to the
Speaker 4: ridiculousness of both sides, you.
Speaker 3: Don't have to make up a damn thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, they it's I don't know politics, it's a
Speaker 4: bunch of damn loons running the asylum now and I'm
Speaker 4: getting a little sick of it.
Speaker 2: Yep. And I never went to a break and guess what,
Speaker 2: I just realized we're out of time. So b Pete
Speaker 2: your final word for the week man.
Speaker 4: Well, appreciate everybody for calling in.
Speaker 3: Jimmy and uh was it Danny? Who was it? Was
Speaker 3: it Daddy?
Speaker 2: Was it Danny? Yep?
Speaker 6: Yeah, called in.
Speaker 3: Thank you for calling in being a part of the show.
Speaker 3: We'll see you next week and go to Chelly dot
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Speaker 2: Really, I do appreciate that, and I'm sorry I wasn't
Speaker 2: looking at the clock. I thought I was going to
Speaker 2: be able to go back for another segment, but I
Speaker 2: didn't get there, so not only my thanks to Danny
Speaker 2: and uh and and and Jimmy James, but my apologies.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go back to you guys, but we're
Speaker 2: at IT time.
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