Speaker 1: Gets to that time of day where you can really
Speaker 1: start to see things and you hear the woods come alive,
Speaker 1: you can hear the bird, you hear the small animals
Speaker 1: moving around. I start to hear sounds behind me and
Speaker 1: back to my right in the distance, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: what is this I'm hearing that. I realize it's actually football,
Speaker 1: you know. I can hear crunch, crunch, crunch, and I
Speaker 1: see someone standing there, but it's not a someone. And
Speaker 1: I remember, I've gone through this in my head so
Speaker 1: many times over the years. I remember mentally trying to
Speaker 1: force what I'm looking at into something I knew, a
Speaker 1: horse or cow, something like that, and it's a back
Speaker 1: lit by the sun. I thought, this is not either
Speaker 1: one of those, and it's not a man. It's just
Speaker 1: large hair covered things standing there on two legs. And
Speaker 1: I'd never even heard a big foot.
Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome Dave to the show. Dave emailed
Speaker 2: me with an interesting picture and in my opinion, a
Speaker 2: lot of strangeness going on where he's at currently. But
Speaker 2: this all started a long time ago for you, if
Speaker 2: you don't mind kind of take us through the details
Speaker 2: of how bigfoot came into your life.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I appreciate the introduction, isn't it. First of all,
Speaker 1: I'm not a researcher or anything like that. I'm just
Speaker 1: the person who I like to spend time in the outdoors.
Speaker 1: And I grew up in rural East Texas, and when
Speaker 1: I was really young, my dad would take us hunting
Speaker 1: out in the woods and primarily in the Davy Crockett
Speaker 1: National Forest area. And my dad was former military and
Speaker 1: no nonsense in the woods. And we were Native Americans,
Speaker 1: so we respect everything in the woods, and so we
Speaker 1: sort of knew how to behave accordingly from my brothers,
Speaker 1: and I did from a young age. And so when
Speaker 1: I was eleven, we had moved from the rural part
Speaker 1: down to the Beaumont put Arthur area on the coast,
Speaker 1: but we would go back and visit our grandparents quite
Speaker 1: often because they were still up there. And I'd had
Speaker 1: family in that area since eighteen thirty six. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: same year Davy Crockett passed through those same parts, my
Speaker 1: third great grandfather came into that area. So been in
Speaker 1: that area ever since. And while it was in November
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, I was eleven years old and we
Speaker 1: drove up from Beaumont for Arthur area, and we'd say
Speaker 1: at my grandparents' house and my dad would get us
Speaker 1: up really early every morning and we'd go deer hunting.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a jeer season for white tail. So like
Speaker 1: we did every time, we'd drive out to the same spot,
Speaker 1: which is just west of Gropton, Texas. Groton is the
Speaker 1: county seat of Trinity County, Texas, and to an area
Speaker 1: that's now known as Westville. Not maybe a few people
Speaker 1: live out there now, and it's obviously named Westville because
Speaker 1: it's west of Gropton, and it's an area people referred
Speaker 1: to as the Why. It's where there are two eighty
Speaker 1: seven splits and goes up toward Crockett, Texas and ninety
Speaker 1: four goes down toward Trinity, Texas. And we'd go down
Speaker 1: the toward Trinity a bit and then pull off on
Speaker 1: this dirt road and drive till the dead ended. We'd
Speaker 1: get out there. It was dark as night because the
Speaker 1: sun had yet to come up, and my dad we'd
Speaker 1: get out of the car be as quiet as we could.
Speaker 1: My dad would have a flashlight which he points straight
Speaker 1: down to Rowland. He'd lead a younger brother of mine.
Speaker 1: It was just about a year or four months younger
Speaker 1: to his spot where he would stay and wait for
Speaker 1: the sun to come up, and then he'd lead me
Speaker 1: to my spot, and then my dad would go off
Speaker 1: further west, and then he'd eventually turn north and then
Speaker 1: wait for the sun to come up, and he would
Speaker 1: sort of move toward us through the woods. And so
Speaker 1: while he was sort of actively hunting, moving taking a
Speaker 1: few steps looking around, my brother and I were what
Speaker 1: they call still we'd still hunt where we're just sitting
Speaker 1: there waiting to see if you could drive anything toward us.
Speaker 1: It was one morning in particular, like I said, November,
Speaker 1: there's those crisp East Texas fall days where it was
Speaker 1: probably in upper forties fifty and the air it was
Speaker 1: just clear. It felt good, you could, you know, the
Speaker 1: birds and squirreled all pretty happy. And so I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there on my stand. I'm sitting at the base of
Speaker 1: a small oak tree where I have a couple of
Speaker 1: lines of sight to the left and to the right.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on my backside with my legs right in
Speaker 1: front of me stretched out. Now I'm left handed, so
Speaker 1: I have a four to ten single shotgun with a
Speaker 1: one round the slug in it, and so that's against
Speaker 1: my right shoulder and have the barrel resting down across
Speaker 1: my legs. And so gets to that time of day
Speaker 1: where you can really start to see things, and you
Speaker 1: hear the woods come alive, you can hear the birds,
Speaker 1: you hear the small animals moving around, and I start
Speaker 1: to hear sounds too behind me and back to my
Speaker 1: right in the distance. And at this point, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's sort of gray, but the sun's really starting to
Speaker 1: come up. So back in that direction is towards the
Speaker 1: rising sun, and I'm thinking, what is this I'm hearing?
Speaker 1: And I realize it's actually footballs and I could distinctly
Speaker 1: hear it because of the leaves underfoot. And We've gone
Speaker 1: out there to this place countless times and there's no
Speaker 1: one that hunts out there, and so I'm thinking, there
Speaker 1: must be someone out here that's hunting, and what the
Speaker 1: heck is he doing? Because about the most profane word
Speaker 1: I knew in my mind at that age was levenear
Speaker 1: was jackass, Because I hear this guy and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: what is this jackass doing? Is you know, I can
Speaker 1: hear crunch crunch, crunch, And my little amused thought didn't
Speaker 1: last long, because then it crossed my mind in a
Speaker 1: flash that this guy was walking toward me from about
Speaker 1: my four o'clock So I'm sitting, I'm facing north. This
Speaker 1: guy is coming from back toward the southeast, and I
Speaker 1: think anybody inexperience enough hunting to not try to be
Speaker 1: out in the woods me quiet, I'm not. That's not
Speaker 1: someone I would be taught to trust. And the fact
Speaker 1: that he's walking toward me is becoming really unnerving, and
Speaker 1: I'm starting to say, I think, what should I do?
Speaker 1: What should I do? I'm gonna have to let this
Speaker 1: person know I'm here, And even if he's somehow moves
Speaker 1: his sort of trajectory a little bit, he's going to
Speaker 1: be walking somewhat in the direction my dad's coming from,
Speaker 1: and I'm fearful that he might see my dad. You know,
Speaker 1: some people, I've heard him joke they'll just shoot if
Speaker 1: they hear a sound. So all this is racing, racing,
Speaker 1: racing to my mind, and I just about decided I'm
Speaker 1: going to sort of make a clear my throat that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. When the guy gets close enough, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, that make enough soundly shoot at me.
Speaker 1: All this is just racing, racing, racing. At that point,
Speaker 1: I waste enough time in fear of trying to decide
Speaker 1: what to do that this guy had come up right
Speaker 1: behind me and suddenly just came to a stop. So
Speaker 1: he's about fifteen feet to back right, and I'm sitting,
Speaker 1: like I said, on the ground against this in anticipation
Speaker 1: of the way he was walking. I had my head
Speaker 1: turned as far as I could to the right, and
Speaker 1: I'm using my peripheral vision to look at so so
Speaker 1: I can see this guy. At that point, I had
Speaker 1: not made a sound, and I thought, well, he stopped,
Speaker 1: so he must see me. And like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: looking back sort of in the direction of the sun,
Speaker 1: and I see someone standing there, but it's not a someone.
Speaker 1: And I remember I've gone through this in my head
Speaker 1: so many times over the year. I remember mentally trying
Speaker 1: to puce what I'm looking at into something I knew, no,
Speaker 1: a horse or cow, something like that. And it's back
Speaker 1: lit by the sun. I thought, this is not either
Speaker 1: one of those, and it's not a man. It's large
Speaker 1: sort of chocolate coverard hair covered things standing there on
Speaker 1: two legs and I had never even heard a big
Speaker 1: but never I remember when I was in I was
Speaker 1: that was my first year in middle school. I was
Speaker 1: sixth grade at this time. When I was in elementary school,
Speaker 1: kids would joke about the goat man's going to get you.
Speaker 1: That was a term I heard a lot, and even
Speaker 1: hearing that, I think that's just a story people make
Speaker 1: up to keep young people from going out and parking
Speaker 1: on country roads and necking and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: you know, the goat man isn't anything real. It's just
Speaker 1: they believe. I so goat man. I was familiar with
Speaker 1: the term. But here is something I never heard of,
Speaker 1: and it's standing there about fifteen feet away. And the
Speaker 1: last lucid thought that I had was why is this
Speaker 1: guy breathing so hard? He wasn't walking because he's going.
Speaker 1: Then I'm thinking, and then it hit me, He's not
Speaker 1: breathing hard from exertion. He smalls me and he knows
Speaker 1: I'm there. And like I said, I was looking to
Speaker 1: my back right pur pro vision, and I just had
Speaker 1: this horrible sinking feeling and the next thing I knew,
Speaker 1: I'm looking down at my lap. Oh twenty hindsight, I know,
Speaker 1: I painted the fact that I'm sitting down up against
Speaker 1: this tree. I'm still upright, so to speak. When I
Speaker 1: sort of got gathered my wits or revived from the faint,
Speaker 1: I slowly look up and turn again, and I think,
Speaker 1: what is this thing going to do to me? And
Speaker 1: it's still breathing like that, and I'm thinking, my god,
Speaker 1: this thing's gonna kill me or whatever, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be suddenly go. Just all I can describe is a
Speaker 1: sort of a disgusted grunt snort like ah. And it
Speaker 1: turned and walked away to my back left, sort of
Speaker 1: at the same pace, not heard off in that direction.
Speaker 1: And I sat there until I couldn't hear the footballs anymore.
Speaker 1: But I was just so I know, I am sure
Speaker 1: I was in a state of shop because it just
Speaker 1: didn't register with anything right that, Like I said, any
Speaker 1: known quantity with me. I can say all the times
Speaker 1: my dad would come and go, when he'd drop, when
Speaker 1: he'd walk away in the morning, and then when he
Speaker 1: had slowly come back, he'd always whistle when he got close,
Speaker 1: so I know he was getting close. And my dad's
Speaker 1: six feet tall, so relative to seeing him from a
Speaker 1: sitting position, there on that deerstand so many times I
Speaker 1: knew this thing was probably six two six thirty maybe,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't overly tall, but it was very bare
Speaker 1: well built, and with the sun back lighting it almost
Speaker 1: gave it a sort of a red halo tinge around it.
Speaker 1: The hair hair tips, that makes sense. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: couldn't really see its face because, like I said, with
Speaker 1: the sun behind it, it's in shadow. All I could
Speaker 1: see was this very well put together thing, and its
Speaker 1: head was sort of comb shape, you know, because I'm
Speaker 1: there looking up at it so I can really focus
Speaker 1: my with my purpul vision. I was more focused on
Speaker 1: the top part of its body. I didn't move my
Speaker 1: head around to see what its feet looked like or
Speaker 1: anything else. Sometimes, you know, when I go over and
Speaker 1: over it, this is in my mind. I thought, if
Speaker 1: I were to leaned around to get a look good
Speaker 1: look at it, what would have what would it have done?
Speaker 1: I'll never know.
Speaker 2: After it walked off and you could no longer hear it,
Speaker 2: did you go find your dad or what did you do?
Speaker 2: Did you stay at the tree?
Speaker 1: No? I just stayed there. I didn't move a muscle.
Speaker 1: I was so I was so petrified that I didn't move, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I couldn't even begin to process what
Speaker 1: I had just seen. And so I even looked at
Speaker 1: it for several seconds before I know I painted, and
Speaker 1: I looked at it for a few more seconds once
Speaker 1: I came out of the paint or walked off. So
Speaker 1: I have no idea how much time lapsed in between,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't think it would be that much, right.
Speaker 1: But in other words, from my position, I think I
Speaker 1: got it as good to look at it at at
Speaker 1: it as I could have without really leaning around the
Speaker 1: tree to try to look directly at it. Oh wow, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. Like I said, my dad was
Speaker 1: form a military marks and ship badges and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Here's no nonsense in the woods. So I didn't dare
Speaker 1: say anything to him, even think I was out of
Speaker 1: my mind or whatever. And so it was just one
Speaker 1: of those things I let fester in my brain. And
Speaker 1: the next year, in nineteen seventy two, we went to
Speaker 1: watch a movie called Legend of Boggy Creek, which I
Speaker 1: know pretty much everybody's heard of at this point. And
Speaker 1: when that movie started going on and I saw the
Speaker 1: lay of the land, the woods and the creeks and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, how much it looked like where we hunted.
Speaker 1: And then that thing, that's when I knew what I
Speaker 1: had seen. Boy, that movie scared the hell out of me.
Speaker 1: It scared me so bad that I really didn't want
Speaker 1: to ever hunt again. I'm not afraid of the woods,
Speaker 1: but I just never wanted to be in that position again.
Speaker 1: But that movie sort of, in my young mind, explained
Speaker 1: a lot to me about what I've seen, and so
Speaker 1: that was sort of my introduction to those critters.
Speaker 2: That's quite the introduction, man. I mean, that encounter is
Speaker 2: something that I think would really impact anyone who had it,
Speaker 2: let alone eleven year old kid, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh exactly. And to me, that's the one thing that well,
Speaker 1: there are several things that vallidate me what I saw
Speaker 1: is I had no preconceived notion of this, you know,
Speaker 1: that type of animal. Right, So the fact that I
Speaker 1: know what I know, I saw it looks exactly like
Speaker 1: you know, the Patterson Gimlin film or what other people
Speaker 1: described as saying. And also and trying to look things
Speaker 1: up on YouTube, I was recently trying to find sounds
Speaker 1: that I was hearing to see I heard other people
Speaker 1: talk about encounters they had. The way they described the
Speaker 1: breathing when one walked up it was exactly not sort of,
Speaker 1: it was exactly the way this thing reacted to me,
Speaker 1: with the heavy breathing in the sort of snort like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm done with you? What are you doing
Speaker 1: here in my way?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That sound of disgust that you were talking about
Speaker 2: is something that I've heard a lot of people mentioned
Speaker 2: in their encounters, at least the ones that were that
Speaker 2: close to seeing these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a damn human What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I vividly remember that and just it walking away.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it didn't. It was not hurried at all.
Speaker 1: It left at the same pace that it came. And
Speaker 1: again it didn't seem like it was too concerned about
Speaker 1: being deadly quiet went through the woods. It just was
Speaker 1: doing whatever I was doing that morning.
Speaker 2: Now. Did you hear any stories from that area later
Speaker 2: on in life?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, definitely, because my dad I lived in well
Speaker 1: Boston and southern California for a number of years, and
Speaker 1: after the horrible drought in primarily Texas in twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: my son had just graduated and was going to college
Speaker 1: and on the East coast. So my dad needed help
Speaker 1: with his land and cattle in that area. So I
Speaker 1: went back there, and where I was, you hear sounds
Speaker 1: there was actually several acres in my dad's property falls
Speaker 1: within the Davy Crockett National Forest. That land's been in
Speaker 1: my family for years and years, and he used to
Speaker 1: pay the US government this very small token amount each
Speaker 1: year because of that acreage. But I've heard sounds from there.
Speaker 1: But the most vivid encounter I heard of when I
Speaker 1: was there one of my dad's well, I considered the
Speaker 1: guy he passed away just recently. He was one of
Speaker 1: my dad's best friends. Tells his story of one of
Speaker 1: his buddies led hunts in the area deer hunts again,
Speaker 1: and he had deer stands set up north of Gropton,
Speaker 1: up the ninety four corridor that goes to Lufkin, Texas
Speaker 1: and between Broken Luck in the the Natures River, and
Speaker 1: there's this area called ironically Boggy Slough. And so this
Speaker 1: guy had some stands set up in the Boggy Slow
Speaker 1: area right where Trinity, sort of Trinity and Angelina County meets.
Speaker 1: And again this is like heavily forested area, and the
Speaker 1: fact that the river ran through there gave all these
Speaker 1: swampy marshy areas. And so according to the story of
Speaker 1: my dad's, a friend told it had been related to
Speaker 1: him from his buddy. So it's beyond second third hand.
Speaker 1: But this guy is very reliable. He was honest. You
Speaker 1: tell long story, but he was honest about it. He
Speaker 1: said a friend had put this guy out on a
Speaker 1: deer stand one morning about the same time that bears
Speaker 1: my encounter. It was November, but this was in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Is when this happens. And guys out there on the
Speaker 1: stand and he's sitting and sitting sitting in the morning
Speaker 1: grows long and it's light, and he knows he's going
Speaker 1: to be picked up barely soon, and so he's sort
Speaker 1: of giving up on the white tail for that morning.
Speaker 1: And suddenly a sounder of wild hogs comes out of
Speaker 1: the woods, and so he's looking at all these pigs
Speaker 1: and he's thinking, what, I'm not going to get a
Speaker 1: deer today, I'm shoot the biggest pig here, And so
Speaker 1: he picks the biggest one out and shoots it. Pig
Speaker 1: over in the middle of the pig falls over this
Speaker 1: large bpedal animal walks out of the woods, grabs the
Speaker 1: pig that he had shot, picks it up like it
Speaker 1: weighs nothing, and slams it into a tree and then
Speaker 1: walks off back into the woods with the pig. No way,
Speaker 1: Oh that's the only this guy told him. So the
Speaker 1: guy like, I said that, put the guy in the stand.
Speaker 1: He comes out to the stand, and he figures the
Speaker 1: guy would hear him coming up, you know, and get
Speaker 1: up and walk out of the deer stand because one
Speaker 1: of those little enclosed stand sort of little rectangular type things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if Berndy deer hunters would be telling where you have,
Speaker 1: you know, you can sort of look all around you.
Speaker 1: And so he doesn't see the guy. He starts to
Speaker 1: get worried and he goes to the stand, opens the oysters.
Speaker 1: The guy is lying curled up in the fetal position
Speaker 1: on the floor. There's his deer stand, and the guy
Speaker 1: just kept saying, it's going to kill me, it's going
Speaker 1: to kill me, it's going to kill me. And he's
Speaker 1: trying to get something on this guy. What happened, what happened?
Speaker 1: And he said that the guy explains to what happened,
Speaker 1: So he said he the he walked out to a
Speaker 1: place where the guy explaining, he said, there's blood on
Speaker 1: the ground and then blood up in the tree where
Speaker 1: the guy said that the animals snacked the pig against
Speaker 1: the tree. So coming from my dad's friend, I have
Speaker 1: to believe that's true, because, like I said, he was
Speaker 1: a no nonsense guy.
Speaker 2: And so stealing kills like that from hunters is not
Speaker 2: unheard of. Uh. There there was an incident not too
Speaker 2: far from there, I guess around the well, we'll say,
Speaker 2: outside of Jefferson, Texas. And it was a friend of
Speaker 2: mine and they had some property and her son went
Speaker 2: deer hunting on their property one evening and he shot
Speaker 2: a deer and they tracked it and it got too
Speaker 2: dark on him and they couldn't find it, and they
Speaker 2: didn't want to leave it, but they didn't really have
Speaker 2: any choice, so they went back to the house. Next morning,
Speaker 2: they get up and she goes with them to try
Speaker 2: and find this deer, and they found the blood trail
Speaker 2: and they're following the blood trail, and then the blood
Speaker 2: trail disappears. It just stops and she could see where
Speaker 2: it looked like something walked off through the brush. So
Speaker 2: she kind of followed that trail. It wasn't like a
Speaker 2: game trail or anything, though, she said, but it was
Speaker 2: just broken brush and things like that. And she thought, well,
Speaker 2: maybe something happened for whatever reason, you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: seeing the blood trail. Maybe the deer walked off this way.
Speaker 2: So she follows it, and eventually she finds the deer
Speaker 2: and it's just kind of like laying in this little
Speaker 2: clearing out in the woods, and all of the ground
Speaker 2: around it in about a ten foot radius looked like
Speaker 2: it had been cleared out, like the leaves and all
Speaker 2: the ground clutter had been pushed back away from the
Speaker 2: deer and cleared out away from the deer. And the
Speaker 2: deer's like laying in the middle of this circle, and
Speaker 2: its body is just twisted up like an old washcloth.
Speaker 2: I mean, something has taken it and broken its neck
Speaker 2: and just twisted the whole body around. And there weren't
Speaker 2: any you know, signs of scavenging or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Weirdest thing. She showed me pictures of it. Don't know
Speaker 2: that a bigfoot did it, but don't really have any
Speaker 2: explanation for it. Never heard of anything like that usually,
Speaker 2: you know, if coyotes do it, they'll tear it up
Speaker 2: pretty good and kind of scattered around all over the place.
Speaker 2: But the whole deer was there, just twisted up.
Speaker 1: Digressing from my guess is that one that guy saw
Speaker 1: it was probably hunting those pigs and he just made
Speaker 1: it easy for it by shooting one of them. Back
Speaker 1: to what you just told me, I'm sure my dad
Speaker 1: wouldn't want me sharing this, but we had this area
Speaker 1: adjacent to where I was staying. When I was there
Speaker 1: helping him. He calls the patch. We drive cattle in
Speaker 1: there and then we could load them from in there,
Speaker 1: or if you get a sickly one, we put them
Speaker 1: in that area. And it's about an acre or more
Speaker 1: and it's got a lot of vegetation, completely surrounded by trees.
Speaker 1: And this is only about two hundred yards from the
Speaker 1: National Forest part of the pasture I was mentioning. So
Speaker 1: my dad had bought some calves and one of them
Speaker 1: got sort of sickly, So you know, we put them
Speaker 1: in the patch because it's it's adjacent to the barn,
Speaker 1: and so it's got plenty of vegetation there to eat
Speaker 1: and it can come up to the barn where I
Speaker 1: had water in the troughs for it. So one morning
Speaker 1: I go out there. This was only I guess two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, so a couple of years after that
Speaker 1: happened with the hunter. I go out there, and I
Speaker 1: didn't I figured the cap would be up near the barn,
Speaker 1: because I'd give it some feet in the morning, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't up there. I start walking through the patch
Speaker 1: and the vegetation pretty high, so I'm looking looking then
Speaker 1: like you describe icee, a depressed area in the grass,
Speaker 1: and then I see the cap. It was ripped in two.
Speaker 1: Its back moan was the only thing that connected the
Speaker 1: front end to the back end. And anyone who's ever fished,
Speaker 1: if you know you've got a fish, you spice them
Speaker 1: straight down the belly and remove all the insides. That's
Speaker 1: the way the inside of this cap looked. There was
Speaker 1: it was just ripped into. There was a front half
Speaker 1: of it, the back half of it, and it's intros
Speaker 1: all that. It was just gone cleaned out, and there
Speaker 1: was this huge depressed area all around it. Like you described.
Speaker 1: It didn't have a bite mark on it.
Speaker 2: Was there any blood around the body.
Speaker 1: No, it was just there wasn't like dogs or coyotes
Speaker 1: or anything got it. It was just ripped into Literally.
Speaker 1: My dad came out there that morning. I said, you're
Speaker 1: you're not going to believe this, and he said, where's
Speaker 1: the cat? And I said follow me and he started
Speaker 1: walking behind me and when he saw that, he said,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that before. He turned around
Speaker 1: and walk So that's one I had no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've heard stories like that many times
Speaker 2: where the internal organ seemed to be missing, and it's
Speaker 2: almost like it's sliced open with something sharp. Sometimes weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: That's how this was. It was almost like someone just
Speaker 1: cut it from one side all the way around to
Speaker 1: the other. It's backbone had the front back still connected,
Speaker 1: but everything inside was just gone.
Speaker 2: And the strange thing about those things is like I asked,
Speaker 2: any blood around the bikey, there's never any blood. And
Speaker 2: you would think that if you slice an animal open
Speaker 2: then pull its insides out, there's going to be blood everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. Yeah, I agree with you. Oh that was interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, your encounter as a kid was definitely enough to
Speaker 2: have an impact on anyone, So I assume this incident
Speaker 2: stuck with you throughout life and that's kind of how
Speaker 2: we ended up on this show together. Right now. You've
Speaker 2: been keeping an eye out for weird stuff, for strange
Speaker 2: things that don't make any sense, and at your current
Speaker 2: place in New Mexico, you found some interesting things. Has
Speaker 2: anything happened in the timeline between Texas and New Mexico
Speaker 2: or is this more recent stuff really the stuff that's
Speaker 2: been standing out to you?
Speaker 1: Well, I haven't even finished with this stuff in Texas.
Speaker 2: Oh good lord.
Speaker 1: Wow, Now there's one. The reason I shared the one
Speaker 1: when I was a kid is because I typed that up,
Speaker 1: and typing up helped me remember and even brought things
Speaker 1: back to me. But I told you about the two
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen incident with that hunter up there. Twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: I was back in that baby crocket National first part
Speaker 1: of my dad's pastor, and I hit my dogs with
Speaker 1: me and there's a point where the woods get really thick.
Speaker 1: There's this old government fencing and my dog suddenly alerted
Speaker 1: on something and I looked up and I actually saw one.
Speaker 1: I'd say I three to five seconds. It was on
Speaker 1: the others in the heavily wooded area, part of the
Speaker 1: National Force, and it went left to right. It was
Speaker 1: like watching an NFL lineman do the swim move where
Speaker 1: they use their arms. It's good, that's what it did.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was what am I seeing? And
Speaker 1: I jump deer there countless times, and this wasn't a
Speaker 1: deer jump. It was a large It was about the
Speaker 1: same color as the one I saw when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. Like I said, it was only three to
Speaker 1: five seconds. What amazed me is how thick that brush
Speaker 1: was and how fast it got through it and how
Speaker 1: little sound it made. Basically all I saw was from
Speaker 1: about waste up and it was gone.
Speaker 2: How big was that one?
Speaker 1: It was taller than the other one. This one, I think.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It sounds silly, but it sort
Speaker 1: of has. That reminds me that Chewbacca sort of looked
Speaker 1: through it. It seemed like it was about six and
Speaker 1: a half feet tall. But it was just so fast
Speaker 1: and I just did there done, And unlike when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, at this point, I wasn't There was
Speaker 1: no fear involved. It was just incredulity as to what
Speaker 1: I just witnessed and how fast it went, how it
Speaker 1: was just gone.
Speaker 2: Now you say you saw it for about three to
Speaker 2: five seconds, no.
Speaker 1: Going, gone left or left to right and sort of
Speaker 1: back into.
Speaker 2: The wood, and then it just gott in a thicker
Speaker 2: cover where you couldn't see it anymore.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly. And like I said, what amazed me
Speaker 1: is how little sound had made aside from all the
Speaker 1: brush the vegetation moving. I was saying, I didn't hear
Speaker 1: any walking anything. It was just zoom. This happened in
Speaker 1: the same timeframe. My dad has other property on the
Speaker 1: way up to Lupin that he leases, and there was
Speaker 1: a cow that he couldn't find. This is probably just
Speaker 1: a week or so after I'd seen that one. So
Speaker 1: he couldn't find one of his cows and she was sick,
Speaker 1: so he wanted me to go up and look for it.
Speaker 1: So I go up to that property. It's only a
Speaker 1: few miles north of Groton, and it's heavily wooded. If
Speaker 1: you didn't see any and every kind of animal in
Speaker 1: this place. And so I'm in it with my dogs,
Speaker 1: my dogs from that time, and there's one area that's
Speaker 1: sort of a clearing that's sort of pear shape, and
Speaker 1: there's a deer stand down at the what would be
Speaker 1: the bottom of the pear that looks out over this
Speaker 1: clearing and there's a really really thick stand of bamboo
Speaker 1: all along the left side of it. So I go
Speaker 1: around the base of it. I'm going up and I
Speaker 1: had the bamboo to my left, and I had a
Speaker 1: red heeler and he was always out free lancing, just
Speaker 1: running around, running around, and he'd make contact with me
Speaker 1: every a few minutes. Blue heeler and she was pretty
Speaker 1: insecure and she always stayed near mean. And I'm walking
Speaker 1: the bamboos to my left, and there's a really deep
Speaker 1: creek that flows into Piny Creek, which then goes into
Speaker 1: the Natures River. There's a really deep creek on the
Speaker 1: other side of that war I was walking and I
Speaker 1: knew my dog had the red heeler had gone over there,
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, he's in front of me,
Speaker 1: and I almost trip Ograhim. And I always try to
Speaker 1: be as quiet as I possibly can when I'm out there,
Speaker 1: because I want to see what some animals we're going
Speaker 1: to see him, you know, I get to kick out
Speaker 1: of that. My dog's like seeing deer and pigs and
Speaker 1: other stuff. And he had my dog can look on
Speaker 1: absolute terror on his face, and so I quietly say
Speaker 1: said to him, I said, what's wrong, Red, what's up?
Speaker 1: What's up? And he just looked at me, and so
Speaker 1: I finally I get him out of the way and
Speaker 1: I start walking again, and he runs in front of
Speaker 1: me again, and I had to stop short. And the
Speaker 1: minute I did, I hear football football crunch. It's like
Speaker 1: something across that creek on the other side of the
Speaker 1: bamboo walked and it had to stop short too, and
Speaker 1: I could hear this dead ball sort of slowly cracking
Speaker 1: as it put his foot down, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: did I just hear what I thought? I And for
Speaker 1: a second time, I tried to start walking, and my
Speaker 1: dog they just wouldn't let me move, And so i'd
Speaker 1: walked a few steps and the same thing happened, but
Speaker 1: that time I just heard step step, real heavy steps.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh man, there's something obviously something over there
Speaker 1: that's got my dog's petrified. So I just stand there
Speaker 1: a few minutes and listen and listen and listen, and
Speaker 1: try to get my dogs through lives. And I finally
Speaker 1: get them out of my way, and I think, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to make it to the end of
Speaker 1: this stand of bamboo. And I'm going to be able
Speaker 1: to look across that creek and see what's over there
Speaker 1: if I can see through the brush. So I start
Speaker 1: walking again, and again my dogs just getting front when
Speaker 1: I had to stop and I heard step step, and
Speaker 1: it stopped, and I thought, the hell with this. I'm
Speaker 1: not anything that's got him that scared. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to see it. But it sounded like something. It's walking
Speaker 1: on two legs and it's big, and so I just
Speaker 1: said to heck with it and went and sort of
Speaker 1: tried to look for that cow somewhere else. But my
Speaker 1: dogs are just petrified that they would not leave my sigh.
Speaker 1: After that, Becau said all that, and less than a
Speaker 1: week after that, I was at my dad's house and
Speaker 1: he said, did did you hear anybody in town say
Speaker 1: that someone saw said they saw a bigfoot on Walter
Speaker 1: Dial Road? And that's name for my great grandfather, and
Speaker 1: that's exactly where that property is. Walter Dial Road crosses
Speaker 1: well stops at ninety four that goes up to Luckin
Speaker 1: and then Lloyd James Road is where that property is.
Speaker 1: And I said, no, I hadn't heard that. And I said,
Speaker 1: but that sound encounter I tried to tell him about that.
Speaker 1: He said, oh, it's probably just a big hog his
Speaker 1: answer for ever everything. I thought, no, because I've been
Speaker 1: on that property a lot of times and my dogs
Speaker 1: had actually killed a couple of hogs out there that
Speaker 1: they sadly caught, but that's just what dogs do. And
Speaker 1: so I thought, between what that hunter saw, what I
Speaker 1: saw down, you know, doing the swim move through the
Speaker 1: National Force and the place I was just talking about,
Speaker 1: that's literally maybe three miles total from there where we
Speaker 1: heard that thing walking on the other side of the creek.
Speaker 1: All that happened really within the span of a few months.
Speaker 1: So interesting coincidences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty high rate of activity for that short
Speaker 2: amount of time, especially in a small area like that.
Speaker 1: But the forests have been sort of cut, so it
Speaker 1: creates a corridor right through there, and so anything that
Speaker 1: wants to stay and cover sort of be to stay
Speaker 1: in that narrow swath of forests.
Speaker 2: Now, are there, by chance, any big power lines that
Speaker 2: run through their train tracks?
Speaker 1: No, No, there's just well, the like I said, the
Speaker 1: ninety four corridor that goes up to Lufkin. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: about the only one. And that's where, like I said,
Speaker 1: someone my dad said, someone in town said they saw
Speaker 1: a big put right there and that was literally within
Speaker 1: days of where I heard that animal on the other
Speaker 1: side of the creek, and that's literally right off ninety
Speaker 1: four and Walter Dle Road.
Speaker 2: Does that round up your Texas stuff or was there anything.
Speaker 1: Else aside from the whoops and the howls which I
Speaker 1: would hear from my place and I heard someone else
Speaker 1: has a recording this recently. A lot of times when
Speaker 1: I would hear the coyotes go off, within moments, I
Speaker 1: would hear a sound that sounded like that the Ohio
Speaker 1: Howell superimposed over the coyotes. I actually managed to record
Speaker 1: that once with this little cheap device, but it was
Speaker 1: just so the recording was so muddy you couldn't make
Speaker 1: it out. But I heard that on multiple occasions where
Speaker 1: the coyotes would start going, then I hear that, oh,
Speaker 1: and I thank god, crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard that a couple of times up there
Speaker 2: in the Angelina National Forest.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. They're chicken in the egg thing,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if one starts the other or
Speaker 1: which one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which one? There's there's something to it, for sure,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's you know, coyto coyotes chasing
Speaker 2: things down and bigfoot taking advantage of it, or if
Speaker 2: it's the other way around. But there there's definitely something
Speaker 2: going on between those two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some sim Maybe it's not a symbiotic relationship,
Speaker 1: but you know, there's one's messing with the other one,
Speaker 1: I guess in some degree. But yeah, and I know
Speaker 1: that other sound that sort of superimposed over the coyote
Speaker 1: isn't a coyote, Yeah, that's for sure, just too robust
Speaker 1: and too much volume.
Speaker 2: Did you ever hear any wood knocks in that area?
Speaker 1: Yes, well, only a couple of times, but hoops, I've
Speaker 1: heard multiple Yeah, just very almost an ape like quality
Speaker 1: to it, really loud, Yeah, from from that same stretch
Speaker 1: of us. One morning, I was out of the sun
Speaker 1: hadn't come up and actually heard one that was almost
Speaker 1: directly west of where I was, And then I heard
Speaker 1: another one, so it was almost one was there saying
Speaker 1: where are you?
Speaker 2: I'm here, responding back and forth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was that was not a bird, or
Speaker 1: a bird wouldn't aance And it was just so like
Speaker 1: I said, robust loud ape like.
Speaker 2: New Mexico, not the first place that people think of bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but lots of bigfoot stories come out of there.
Speaker 1: As you and I tried to emails. So they were
Speaker 1: just I try to find an explanation for everything that
Speaker 1: I encounter in nature. And I like being out there.
Speaker 1: And I'd only been at the place I am out
Speaker 1: for a few days, and we went up it's the
Speaker 1: western flank of the sangreg Cisto Mountains, which means blood
Speaker 1: of Christ. And they look that way as the sun
Speaker 1: is setting, and the north of Tao said about eight
Speaker 1: thousand feet and I'm taking my dogs out and we
Speaker 1: go up into the mountains and we discover what looks
Speaker 1: like old piping that was once used to care maybe
Speaker 1: snow melt down from the mountains. And we have this
Speaker 1: high desert, very dry, that's to the west of where
Speaker 1: I am. And so it just started following an old
Speaker 1: road up there that looks like it was once used maintenance.
Speaker 1: And now it looks like there's a game trail thorough
Speaker 1: bear you know, see bear tracks and deer tracks and
Speaker 1: coyote tracks and droppings and stuff like that. And I
Speaker 1: have a young dogs now, and the youngest one is
Speaker 1: a husky and he's pretty fired up and always running ahead. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, one of the first time Blue went
Speaker 1: out and we're up in the mountains, there's this is
Speaker 1: in the Carson National Course, and there was no one around.
Speaker 1: And back to this day, I've never seen a single
Speaker 1: person up there. And we go out there up there
Speaker 1: almost every day, and this area and the young dog
Speaker 1: kept running ahead, and we're at the bottom of this arroyo,
Speaker 1: following the remnants of these roads. I finally got frustrated
Speaker 1: with him. I had the other dog on the leash
Speaker 1: because he weighs ninety pounds and if the husky goes,
Speaker 1: the other dog will go and they might wind up
Speaker 1: in Colorado chasing something. So I called the dog puppy.
Speaker 1: So I actually sort of growl us a fucking slow
Speaker 1: down you now again, I'm always trying to be quiet,
Speaker 1: and I sort of growled at at him. And two
Speaker 1: are left and above us up the creek, were following
Speaker 1: up this arroyo. Something. It was a combination of a
Speaker 1: scream and a howl that was so ungodly loud I
Speaker 1: thought it knocked me off my feet. It was that loud.
Speaker 1: And my first thought was everybody in Taos County had
Speaker 1: to have earned that. And I can't see it, but
Speaker 1: it's I know it's up there, and the husky starts
Speaker 1: running back at me, and the dog I have on
Speaker 1: the leash starts running up at it, wanting to get
Speaker 1: whatever for it is. And I had one of those
Speaker 1: the plastic handle leashes that's retractable, and I had to
Speaker 1: fight fight to get up to my dog, and this
Speaker 1: thing kept screaming at us this whole time. And I
Speaker 1: finally got to my dog and I literally had to
Speaker 1: pin him to the ground. I had to get on
Speaker 1: him so because I was worried he was going to
Speaker 1: break the end of that leaf out and go after it,
Speaker 1: and is this thing screaming at us? It finally started
Speaker 1: going up and up and up and up, and it
Speaker 1: went up into the mountain and until the sound effectively baited,
Speaker 1: it stopped, but it just screamed for and I was
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking, God, I had my phone, I had
Speaker 1: a little recorder hang on it, but I was so
Speaker 1: busy fighting my dog that came from going after it. That, Uh,
Speaker 1: that was about as bizarre as anything I've had happened
Speaker 1: in a while, because it it was just so loud
Speaker 1: and I tried to describe it to someone. I said,
Speaker 1: it's be like the cross of a coyote on steroids
Speaker 1: and a siren. That's how it sounded.
Speaker 2: What animal does that? I can't think of any animal
Speaker 2: that just would continuously call like that.
Speaker 1: No, that's see my new that's my new thought process.
Speaker 1: Instead of saying what is it, I start with what
Speaker 1: isn't it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: That wasn't a bear, it wasn't a deer, it wasn't
Speaker 1: an elk. I start going backwards. The only rational conclusion
Speaker 1: I can reach is again I mentioned earlier about trying
Speaker 1: to look up sounds on YouTube. That's that's why I
Speaker 1: was doing that, to try to match some animal or
Speaker 1: whatever with what we heard and the closest and there
Speaker 1: were a couple of alleged sasquatch things. One was in
Speaker 1: West Virginia and then another recording I heard from ELK
Speaker 1: Texas Sam Houston National Force and very similar to this,
Speaker 1: very similar.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask, is that the incident that
Speaker 2: caused you to put a game camera out there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, Yeah, that's when I put a game
Speaker 1: camera up in that area. And less than a week
Speaker 1: later is when I got that weird picture that I
Speaker 1: sent to you that you you worked with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now there's a lot of weird stuff going
Speaker 2: on with that game camera though in that location.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like I said, got the weird picture that
Speaker 1: sure looked as I joked, it looked like the late
Speaker 1: Dan Haggerty is Grizzly Adams like his chin. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: until you were able to manipulate what was there. But
Speaker 1: then for the bears, I got several pictures of bears
Speaker 1: and occasionally they would move the camera around the tree
Speaker 1: a little bit. I just assumed it was then. But
Speaker 1: as I've indicated to you, about five days within a
Speaker 1: week of that weird picture appearing, I went up there
Speaker 1: and the camera was just gone. And so I thought
Speaker 1: either the bears took it off or someone happened up
Speaker 1: here and stole it, and I know it was gone.
Speaker 1: I looked up and down that arroyo, and I went
Speaker 1: there multiple times since, and even when I was going
Speaker 1: to write up basically the information I shared with you
Speaker 1: to say the camera was so and so high on
Speaker 1: the tree. I stood right in front of the tree
Speaker 1: that I hadn't mounted on to use my mind's eye
Speaker 1: so I could say Okay, this is about five and
Speaker 1: a half feet right here, and so I'm standing right
Speaker 1: in front of the tree and for me to show
Speaker 1: up there again in late December, two months after it
Speaker 1: was gone, and my dogs are going up to this
Speaker 1: point where I had it, and I go up there
Speaker 1: and the camera was right there at the basically the
Speaker 1: strap that held it on the tree is gone, but
Speaker 1: it was there.
Speaker 2: The same tree it was mounted on.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, And I'm thinking this can't be happening because
Speaker 1: I've been up here multiple times in that time. I
Speaker 1: stood right in front of the tree, I would have
Speaker 1: been I would have literally stepped on it with my
Speaker 1: right foot. And it was gone for two months, so
Speaker 1: I could figure out. I've tried to rationalize what happened
Speaker 1: in my mind, and all I could think is, you
Speaker 1: know I won those things. I thought maybe some kids
Speaker 1: stole it and his mom said, where did you get this?
Speaker 1: And you go put it back where you found it.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm just going through what I think are
Speaker 1: logical reasons for it being gone that long, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't think come up with any because I thought if
Speaker 1: someone told me to do that, you know, most kids,
Speaker 1: if they had they just go and pick somewhere or
Speaker 1: whatever and say, yeah, I did it, But it was
Speaker 1: exactly on the tree, on the same side of the
Speaker 1: tree and everything. It was just lying there, right at
Speaker 1: the base of the tree. And I'd been up there
Speaker 1: a number of times, and it wasn't at the base
Speaker 1: of that tree.
Speaker 2: Any weird photos that give you any kind of clues
Speaker 2: or anything. No.
Speaker 1: That was the other equally bizarre thing, because I hadn't
Speaker 1: The pictures that I sent you were on that SD
Speaker 1: card that was in there, so I didn't want to
Speaker 1: delete them yet. So there were no new pictures on
Speaker 1: this thing from the time that I had last checked
Speaker 1: it until the day had reappeared. And that, to me
Speaker 1: de buys logic because I think even even if it
Speaker 1: was lying there the entire time, something would have walked
Speaker 1: close enough to or even me picking it up or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so all I could think was maybe I hadn't
Speaker 1: turned it on all the way because it was It's
Speaker 1: one of these that's got one click to the left
Speaker 1: to review the pictures on there, and then another turn
Speaker 1: it on fully. But I always sit there and wait
Speaker 1: and look. It's just one of those things that I
Speaker 1: make myself do to until I see a little countdown
Speaker 1: time starting before I close it walk away. So that
Speaker 1: the fact that it was gone that long and the
Speaker 1: fact that there were no pictures on it, it just
Speaker 1: devise logic in my mind.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, the photo that you sent me,
Speaker 2: the kind of the situation around it was kind of
Speaker 2: strange too, wasn't Wasn't the camera open whenever you got
Speaker 2: to it?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, something that opened the camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as I put it out. You know, I went to
Speaker 1: check it the morning of the twenty third and I
Speaker 1: put a new SD card in it, closed it, and
Speaker 1: when I came back the morning of the twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: there are twenty two images on it. Image twenty two.
Speaker 1: Is that weird? When I send you and the camera
Speaker 1: was wide open, it something to open it and swung
Speaker 1: it up where the lins and the motion sensor portion
Speaker 1: are obviously facing toward the tree. So it's stopped picking
Speaker 1: up any more images after whatever that was that's standing
Speaker 1: there with its body right in the camera. You know,
Speaker 1: that's another one that's weird that you know, and I
Speaker 1: could see a bear or one fellow thinks that's a
Speaker 1: mountain lion that's got its space in it. You know,
Speaker 1: you could see a bear with its paws up, or
Speaker 1: a mountain line with its pause up somehow raking it
Speaker 1: the camera just enough to hit that flip on the
Speaker 1: side that the little hinge were caused it to open.
Speaker 1: But yeah, something opened.
Speaker 2: It and then move the camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something that opened it on one occasion, And like
Speaker 1: I said, it had been sort of swung around the
Speaker 1: tree a little a few times, and coincident with that,
Speaker 1: I'd have you bear images on there, so I think
Speaker 1: that's a bear. But the time it was open, all
Speaker 1: I can assume is that image that I sent you
Speaker 1: is what opened it, and then the other time it
Speaker 1: was just gone. That's another thing I was remissing saying.
Speaker 1: The day that I found the camera at the base
Speaker 1: of the tree and I'm looking around, looking around, and
Speaker 1: I get my camera. We start walking down the royal
Speaker 1: and it's so steep to get up out of there.
Speaker 1: I had to wait until I go down probably about
Speaker 1: fifty sixty yards of this sort of semi game trail
Speaker 1: that goes up and I'm climbing up the trail my
Speaker 1: huskies ahead. I have the other dog in the leash.
Speaker 1: I'm holding the camera, but I'm about ten yards from
Speaker 1: the top. I hear from the mountaintop above us, I
Speaker 1: hear whack one hard hit, so like someone hit a
Speaker 1: tree with a baseball. And at that point I was
Speaker 1: so out of my mind thinking where's this thing? Ben
Speaker 1: that I turned around and I held the camera, gave
Speaker 1: a sort of a goofy nod and way to whatever
Speaker 1: sound it was that I heard up there, and I
Speaker 1: got the hell out of there. That was just a
Speaker 1: weird coincidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to say the least, To say the very least,
Speaker 2: it's a weird coincidence.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, one of many.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's possible for you know, a bear. You know
Speaker 2: you've gotten pictures of bear. You know there's bear in
Speaker 2: the area. They will mess with game cameras. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: bear could have gotten the camera off of the tree,
Speaker 2: but it's not going to carry it off and then
Speaker 2: bring it back two months later and set it at
Speaker 2: the base of the tree.
Speaker 1: Right. That's why that's in my mind going to forever
Speaker 1: remain a mystery. If I could there were no images
Speaker 1: on there, trust me, I was insanely excited a whole
Speaker 1: run down back here, thinking that who knows where there's
Speaker 1: thing's been for two months and all that's going to
Speaker 1: be on there, and then to have absolutely nothing on there,
Speaker 1: I thought, how could that possibly? Just like that devised comprehension.
Speaker 2: Most of those cameras, you know, they're triggered by motion.
Speaker 2: They have a sensor on it, just like the little
Speaker 2: sensors you see in the corner on the inside of buildings,
Speaker 2: you know, the motion detectors, And whenever there's a fluctuation
Speaker 2: in temperature, it triggers the camera. That's how the motion
Speaker 2: sensor works on most of them. So somehow this camera
Speaker 2: got removed from the tree, forcefully, carried off somewhere for
Speaker 2: two months, brought back, set down at the base of
Speaker 2: the tree. No photos.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and trust me, and once I realized there were none,
Speaker 1: the first thing I did was set it up in
Speaker 1: here where I'm sitting right now and sort of got
Speaker 1: back and waved my hand in front of a few
Speaker 1: times to make sure it was working. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: it worked fine. And I thought that just it makes
Speaker 1: no sense to me, Like I said, my only logical
Speaker 1: explanations that someone took it and maybe you know, and
Speaker 1: then they messed with it and did stuff and then
Speaker 1: deleted their stuff or whatever, maybe didn't take any pictures all,
Speaker 1: and then they felt remorse and put it back, but
Speaker 1: there were no no new pictures on it, so bizarre. Well,
Speaker 1: you got that other one I sent either, Really it
Speaker 1: was taken an instant before the initial that image, so whatever,
Speaker 1: that's the same animal because it's literally the same, like
Speaker 1: I said, within microseconds. I guess that's when that one
Speaker 1: was snapped. So I don't know if that might provide
Speaker 1: any insights in this madness, but it's weird stuff.
Speaker 2: How do you put the camera back?
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I just not that. It's not that
Speaker 1: I'm unnerved or anything, but I just figured, you know,
Speaker 1: if someone stole it, I didn't want to bring it
Speaker 1: up there again and have them take it again sort of.
Speaker 1: But I probably should at this point because I bought another.
Speaker 1: I bought another one to replace that one, and I
Speaker 1: put it somewhere else, so I should probably since I
Speaker 1: have too, just like you said, I should just bring
Speaker 1: it back up there. And in theories, even though we
Speaker 1: had some warmer days recently, the bears in theory are hibernating. Oh,
Speaker 1: they won't be messing with it.
Speaker 2: You know. They have those little uh like Apple Airtime
Speaker 2: things where you can GPS track things. Maybe you should
Speaker 2: stick one of those inside the case or something in
Speaker 2: case it walks off again.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. I don't know. Like I said, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter in my mid sixties now, I can live
Speaker 1: one hundred more years and I'd never figure out how
Speaker 1: that transpired.
Speaker 2: Hey, me and you both, but you know, keep me
Speaker 2: updated if you get any more crazy pictures or anything
Speaker 2: else happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm look forward to seeing if you can decipher
Speaker 1: whatever that is that is on that one that was
Speaker 1: taken an instant before the other bazaarre. You know, we
Speaker 1: can find who's guilty of opening the game camera.
Speaker 2: It's been my experience in this field though you never
Speaker 2: get those answers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like I said, I don't research this stuff,
Speaker 1: but it sure makes one look forward to going out
Speaker 1: and getting up there because you never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: And if you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something
Speaker 2: else you can't explain, and you'd like to share your story,
Speaker 2: send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find
Speaker 2: links to social media past episodes, merchandise everything you need,
Speaker 2: all in one place, and until next time, remember there's
Speaker 2: something in the woods.